0:00This is an iHeart Podcast. Guaranteed Human. Hello everybody welcome into the FantasyPros - Fantasy Football Podcast I'm Ryan warmly joined by
0:06Pat Fitzmaurice and by somebody we can't really tell who it is with their costume and their mask specifically here today it's
0:13Thursday morning we're talking week 8 buys and sits before we get to our masked friend Fitz let me just like give
0:19you a moment here I'm a classy guy your team won the World Series last night I know that's not why people
0:26are here but come on let's celebrate a little.
0:28Oh thanks man yeah I guess championships in pro sports aren't just a celebration of that team and it's accomplishments kind of a celebration of fan culture.
0:36And like when the Brewers got swept by the Dodgers in the NLCS last year I like sat there and wondered whether
0:43the Brewers were ever going to win a championship in my lifetime.
0:46Like they've got a great young nucleus and the best farm system in baseball but Milwaukee is the smallest market in MLB
0:53and the Brewers are always going to be outspent by the big market teams.
0:57And I don't know when I was reckoning with that possibility that I'd never know the feeling of winning a championship I
1:03realized it kind of didn't matter because being part of the Brewers fan culture is it has enriched my life regardless.
1:09And time spent watching games and listening to Bob Uecker call games on the radio when I was a kid and going
1:16to games and tailgating in the parking lot beforehand talking about the team debating friends about who should or shouldn't be in the starting rotation.
1:23It's all been time well spent like it has enriched my life and deepened my relationships with friends and family like memories
1:29of riding Milwaukee County buses to Brewers games with friends when we were kids like those are priceless.
1:35So is the memory of taking my kids to their first Brewers game like we had a text chain going last night
1:41with me and like five or six friends and we were like someone said that a championship was our reward for having watched.
1:48And then he named like three lousy Brewers from the past and for the next 20 minutes the text thread was just
1:54filling up with the names of God awful players.
1:57We had watched where the Brewers uniform over the years but fan culture is something man and like there are fans of
2:03terrible NFL teams out there fans of like the Tennessee Titans.
2:06There are Titans fans are going to plan this coming Sunday around the Titans game and it's going to be a big
2:13event with their friends and family and some Titans fans are going to go to church early just so they can get
2:19home and watch the game that the Titans are bad doesn't matter.
2:23And it's actually going to make things that much sweeter when the Titans finally are good again.
2:28Like the Titans came within a foot of winning the Super Bowl and I can totally relate to that because the Brewers
2:34were up three to two in the 1982 World Series when I was a kid to the St.
2:39Louis Cardinals lost in seven games. I know what it was like to come close and fall short and maybe those Titans
2:46fans are wondering if they're ever going to get a Super Bowl in their lifetimes.
2:50I hope they get one someday but even if they don't man like those people's lives are going to have been they'll
2:57be better off for having watched Steve McNair and Eddie George and even some of the worst players in franchise history and
3:03having shared that experience with friends and family. So I'm babbling now but I'm just emotionally wrung out.
3:08Thank you for letting me spew and thanks to everyone watching and listening for putting up with me for a few minutes.
3:15You're out here making everybody emotional on a Thursday morning thinking about fandom and what it means to fall into.
3:21You're making me think about being an Orioles fan.
3:23I've never seen the Make-A-World Series in my lifetime and thinking about what those memories you know mean for me.
3:29So no it's wonderful. And there's I mean I was joking before the show there's no better feeling than opening day.
3:35You've actually are probably proving me wrong. There's probably no better feeling than seeing your team win the World Series.
3:41And of course we want to give you that moment to celebrate because you were the person I was thinking of last
3:47night for sure as the biggest Brewers fan in my life.
3:51And I was very happy for you that they won.
3:54Thanks buddy. Yeah of course. Jake did you enjoy hearing all that through your mask?
3:58I'm not going to do the entire because this is what I would sound like the entire show.
4:03I can't get the mic in here. But yes that was a let me sit there with the mask or should I
4:10just do the entire show like this? It's the only good thing to come from the Acolyte Star Wars TV show by the way.
4:17And it looks so good for that actually it looks really good for like a whole mask.
4:22It is a great looking mask. Yeah. It is.
4:24So like but yeah it's a little heavy but I like I wish I could have got the mic under there.
4:30I did the athletic show if anybody wants to go watch it.
4:34I did the full segment with it on because I had the little mic that I threw inside of it but I
4:40can't get this mic inside of it. So anyway back just to the Darkwing hat to represent last year.
4:46I was on here for Darkwing last year right?
4:48I should just do Darkwing. I think so. Yeah.
4:51Yeah. I think I remember that. Yeah. But anyway congratulations Fitz.
4:54Thanks Jake. Yeah. Yeah. Enjoy that. By the way it's probably extra awesome Fitz like that the Brewers were the best team in the regular season too.
5:02It just feels like a coronation of like this is a particularly great group of players.
5:07Like it wasn't like oh you snuck in as an 85 win team and then went on a run.
5:12Those are still amazing of course and you would celebrate it just the same.
5:16But you won 103 games in the regular season.
5:19Best regular season record this year. And also then had this awesome playoff run.
5:23It's got to be pretty special to pair those two together.
5:26I got a little evil on Twitter last night.
5:29I was like I hope people you know everyone thinks Milwaukee is a great story now.
5:34But I hope people start to hate us because we've got this great young nucleus and then we've got all these great farm players coming up.
5:41Like I hope we get to be like the Dodgers where people are just sick of us.
5:46You will not find me hating you because on my Dynasty Baseball League team I have both Jackson Churio and Jesus Mate.
5:53So I will be very invested in the Brewers future going forward here.
5:56Let's get into some football talk. You know it's not a bandwagon team so that's the good thing too.
6:02Yeah for sure. Let's get into some football talk here.
6:05Reminder for everybody all of our weekly consensus rankings and tiers can be found at fantasypros.com.
6:10Slash rankings. Guys we're going to start off as we always do with some popular waiver ads this week.
6:15And I will ask you if you are considering starting these guys this week.
6:19There were some names here that were at the top of waiver list that we had already talked about in the section a week ago.
6:27Like Omar Cooper was still on there depending on if he was available in your league or not.
6:32I didn't want to repeat it. So these are a couple of different names here.
6:36The number one though I felt was a pretty clear choice Jake.
6:40Jonah Coleman as a waiver ad this week if he was available in your league.
6:44He was you know one of those top priority guys.
6:47Are you interested in starting this Broncos running back this week against the Chiefs?
6:51No. But I mean you might need to and he'd be of the Broncos running backs the highest.
6:56I would rank them. I do have him rank the highest but I am at 30.
7:01I'm behind like Rico Dowdle in a timeshare. I'm behind Blake Corum in a timeshare.
7:05Braylon Allen that's with Brees Hall in my rankings.
7:08And it just comes down to the fact that it's the Sean Payton offense for one.
7:13We talked about on the waiver show Fitz and I did and I agree with him that Coleman has the highest upside.
7:19But we just don't know the guarantee that it's actually here yet.
7:23We think it is. It should be here. He has the best talent.
7:26He's more explosive than J.K. Dobbins. But what's the passing game like he did have two targets two receptions in that game.
7:33But is it still going to be that kind of workload or is this a game against the Chiefs where maybe it's more R.J.
7:40Harvey. The Chiefs run defense is something to be concerned about in general.
7:44So it comes down to the fact that like if this was the Broncos going against even the Chargers with how bad
7:50they've been or the Colts or somebody like that.
7:53I actually have Coleman higher. It just really comes down to the uncertainty of Sean Payton and then to the matchup is playing a part.
8:00Yeah, he is RB28 in consensus rankings. So just a couple spots ahead of where Jake has him.
8:05Fitz, where are you at on Jonah Coleman for this week?
8:08I'm at RB28 and I'm maybe where Jake is where I don't think he's like a proactive start.
8:14But in a week with four teams on bye and injuries, maybe you have to play him.
8:19And yeah, like it was I guess it was encouraging to hear Sean Payton sort of talk about.
8:24Yeah, we need to use him more, although I ran his comments through the Sean Payton translator.
8:29And that means he's getting six carries this week.
8:32But yeah, you would think that he's going to play the most of the Broncos backs like it was his first game
8:38off IR last week and he played 30 snaps and RJ Harvey played 16 and JK Dobbins played 14.
8:43And he's just better than JK Dobbins. You can see it.
8:47I mean, it's only been a couple of games, but Jonah Coleman has had almost a quarter of his runs go for 10 or more yards this season.
8:55And the league average is like 10 percent. So the Chiefs, not an easy matchup, but I also don't think that the Chiefs run defense is impregnable.
9:03They're like eighth in DVOA against the run and 13th in EPA per rush.
9:07And Emmanuel Wilson just had 100 yards and a touchdown against them last Sunday night.
9:11And I think Jonah Coleman's better than Emmanuel Wilson.
9:14Yeah, he's in that range where it's it's like you're maybe not ecstatic to be starting him, but eventually you just run out of other options.
9:21I mean, there's four teams on by injuries of the position, you know, like the two names right after him in ECR, like Saquon and Jeremiah Love, right?
9:30Like you can feel the injuries impacting these rankings if you're here for week eight.
9:34So, yeah, Jonah Coleman, I think, is really interesting one.
9:37Rest of season, just very quickly. How are you guys ranking Jonah Coleman in terms of just like the upside for over
9:43the course of the rest of the year? Do you think this will be his backfield moving forward fits?
9:49I do. I mean, it's going to it's a Sean Payton backfield, so it's going to be a two or three man operation the whole year.
9:56I've got Jonah Coleman RB 26 in rest of season rankings.
10:00Jake, rest of season for you. It sounds like a fair spot because I was going to say fringe low end RB 2 is the potential.
10:07I think best case is you get the RB 2 version of Mark Ingram, not the RB 1 version, but like the
10:14RB 2 version of Mark Ingram and Sean Payton's offense.
10:17So I think that potential is still there. Like there's the upside to get inside the top 18 at best, I think.
10:23The other guy I wanted to ask is Antonio Williams, rookie receiver for Washington.
10:27Washington, obviously not somebody who played last week, but we had the Terry McLaurin really bad injury out for the season the week before.
10:34This is the first opportunity to start a guy like Williams if you picked him up off waivers after that injury.
10:40Ranked a little bit lower than the guys we usually talk about in this section.
10:45He's wide receiver 40, so that's not typically as much of an obvious potential guy to start.
10:50But given that he was a popular waiver pickup in the last two weeks with the McLaurin injury, I did want to bring him up.
10:57Fitz, are you interested in starting Williams at all against Philly this week?
11:01I actually am. I'm pretty well above consensus. I've got him wide receiver 33.
11:05You just figure with Terry McLaurin out with the torn patellar tendon that Antonio Williams is going to play an expanded role going forward.
11:12And he's already got 205 yards and kind of a limited role early in the season on 26 targets.
11:17Only 1.54 yards per run, but kind of a small sample size.
11:21And he's a terrific athlete. 4.41 speed, 39.5 inch vertical jump at the scouting combine, return kicks in college.
11:26He's just dangerous with the ball in his hands.
11:29And he was a zone beater at Clemson. So the only thing holding me back here a little bit, I feel like
11:35Antonio Williams is the logical slot guy for the commanders now.
11:39But so far, Stefan Diggs has been in the slot on 63% of his snaps this season, according to Fantasy Points data.
11:45Antonio Williams only 49%. But they also haven't played a ton of those snaps together.
11:49So I don't know. Maybe Diggs mostly plays outside now with McLaurin gone, or maybe it's Williams who moves outside.
11:55They're both sort of versatile as far as whether they can play inside or outside.
12:00And you want the slot guy against the Eagles because they have been a slot funnel.
12:04Cooper DeGene not having a good year. Quinion Mitchell still tough.
12:08So I want the slot guy for the commanders.
12:10And if I knew it was going to be Williams, I'd feel a little bit more confident in this ranking.
12:16Would you rather Fitz star Antonio Williams at receiver or Chick Oconqua at tight end?
12:20I like both. Relative to position, probably Oconqua. Jake, what do you think?
12:24What are you expecting from this offense this week?
12:27Echo a lot of what Fitz said with the situation.
12:30And that's kind of why we already heard, I think, Quinn and some of the others, the coaching staff, have said that
12:36Stefan Diggs' role isn't going to change a ton.
12:39And that also included not necessarily 90% of the route works, kind of similar.
12:43It's still an uptick from last year, what we saw with Diggs.
12:46But where Echo, like what Fitz was saying is that, yeah, you want to target that.
12:51I was going to say, you want to target this against the Eagles.
12:55You always do want to target this against the Eagles.
12:58But because it's more of like that 70% to 80% route work is that maybe he just comes off the field.
13:04Williams stays on with Burks and then they rotate back off and then all three of them are on the field.
13:10But I think that as much as Burks is behind both of them by far, like I have Diggs pushing.
13:16He actually is in the low-end wide receiver twos.
13:19I'm slightly behind Fitz on Williams, but I still have him in the mid-30s.
13:23But Burks is way behind both of them just because of the talent of those two.
13:27So I really think they fit better, especially, again, this matchup.
13:30I don't want Burks going against Mitchell or anything on the outside.
13:34I mean, Mitchell might spend some time on Diggs just because who the hell cares about Burks.
13:39But all that being said is I think that it's a valid concern.
13:43At the same time, it might not be as bad as people might think because they replicate each other so much that
13:49it just might be a share and that Diggs stays Diggs, which is fine.
13:53He's a fringe wide receiver too, but that actually helps Antonio Williams.
13:57And I would – I actually differ on that one part.
14:00I would take Williams definitively over Okonkwo. Okay. Where is Okonkwo ranked for you at tight end this week, Jake?
14:06We're not talking about him later in the show.
14:0815th. 15th. I'm sorry, Fitz, did you give me a ranking on Okonkwo?
14:12Where is he for you? Oh, I did not.
14:15I think he's inside of the top 15. I've got Okonkwo at – I think he's 14th in ECR.
14:20Oh, he's exactly 15 for me. Sorry. Sorry. Okay.
14:23So you guys are both just one spot behind.
14:26All right, Jake. Let me stick with you here to plant your flag on a player for this week.
14:31Yeah. I'm going to go quarterback because a lot of people are getting a lot of questions in the comments.
14:37I just did the live chat over the athletic and a lot of people are like, ooh, I don't feel so good about it.
14:44This quarterback – and it's Jared Goff, which by the way, I tweeted – so two things.
14:49I tweeted out earlier this week. There's only two quarterbacks that have hit 16 plus fancy points in all their starts.
14:55Josh Allen and Jared Goff. Those are the only two.
14:58The other part about it is that the defense for the Vikings has been great.
15:02They are the league best EPA per drop back allowed at 0.18.
15:06They're ridiculous pressure rate. But here's why I say I'm planting my flag on Goff and not being concerned.
15:12They allow the fourth lowest pressure rate, 34%, against five plus defenders coming.
15:15Not four, not three, five. As in there's always an extra man and they're still only allowing 34.8% rush rate.
15:21Also, Jared Goff went under pressure, seventh best EPA for drop back this season, and ninth best since his second year starting
15:28with the Lions to go back that far. So he's good under pressure.
15:31The Lions are good under pressure. We've seen the Lions last year.
15:35They know floors. They pick up the blitz very well.
15:38I say all to say like I'm just not concerned about Jared Goff this week.
15:42I have him solidly as a QB1 inside the top 10.
15:45Yeah, let me double check to see where he is in consensus.
15:49Yeah, he's outside the top 10. I'll just note that in his one home game against the Vikings last year, Goff had 284 yards and two touchdowns.
15:57Yeah. He's QB12 in consensus. Yeah, I think it's a good call.
16:00Sorry, I was going to say to reference back our waiver show, my streamer of the week was Jacoby Brissett.
16:06I would start him over Jacoby Brissett. And Jacoby Brissett, by the way, in games with 37 plus, I'm going to jump hit.
16:13I'll save that. I think, did you put Jacoby Brissett?
16:16We will have Brissett later in the show, yes.
16:18I'll save that. Yeah, I'll save that one. Brissett is ranked higher than Goff, though, just to your point about you'd rather start Goff.
16:25Because I knew that part. So I didn't realize.
16:28I wasn't sure if you ended up putting him in there.
16:31No, I did. 37 might come up again. Yeah.
16:34Yeah, I mean, Goff, I think it's an interesting call, too.
16:37Like, especially Fitz, like, to the point of, I think the reputationally, Jared Goff, you think of, like, oh, he's a statue back there.
16:44If you can pressure him, knock him off his spot, then you can take advantage of it.
16:49But those numbers Jake are throwing out is kind of showing that actually they are doing pretty well against pressure, both in
16:55terms of just when they are getting blitzed and also when he actually is under pressure, which would be the big concern in a game against the Vikings.
17:04So where are you at in ranking Goff this week?
17:07Yeah, he gets the ball out quick. And he's also got weapons that can help mitigate the effect of the Vikings defense with Amon Ross St.
17:14Brown and Jameer Gibbs and Jamison Williams and Sam Laporta.
17:17I've got him ranked 12 right now. And I could maybe come up a little bit on that.
17:22Like, that feels too low. Goff was my most drafted quarterback.
17:26And in all the leagues where I have Jared Goff, I am playing him this week.
17:30Okay. Yeah. I think it's a good way to put it.
17:33Fitz, you have a slightly smaller name for your Flant Your Plag player this week.
17:38Yeah, I'm pandering to you and Jake. It's Jacoby Land.
17:41Because Jake and I... Oh, he just said Flant Your Plag.
17:44Did he? Oh, did I? I didn't even notice.
17:47Just, David, go ahead. It threw me off because that is Flant Your Flag Player.
17:51And so the P's and the F's kind of, sorry, the PL's.
17:54It just said Flant Your Plag Player. I didn't even notice I did that.
17:59Go, go, Fitz. Leave it in there. That was amazing.
18:01Yeah, for sure. Leave it in. Yeah. So I know Worm is excited about this guy.
18:06I know Jake and I have been talking about him on the Waver Show for weeks.
18:11And I think Jake and I will be talking about Jacoby Lane as one of our top ads on next Monday's show.
18:17So he's been back from a wrist injury that he sustained in week one for a couple of games now.
18:23And Jacoby Lane has had seven catches for 65 yards on 10 targets in those two games.
18:28Modest numbers, for sure. But he was playing with Tyler Huntley.
18:31And the encouraging thing in his most recent game, Lane played 68.7% of the Ravens' offensive snaps.
18:36Basically about as many as Rashad Bateman. But he's going to play.
18:40And he is now going to get to play with Lamar Jackson.
18:43I can't wait to see what these two can do together against the Bills in a game with a Vegas total of 54.5.
18:50And Jacoby Lane was drawing rave reviews in training camp.
18:53It's kind of been forgotten since he's off the map because of that wrist injury.
18:57But I know Ravens' longtime beat writer, Jameson Hensley, said that Lane had one of the most impressive training camps he can
19:04ever remember from any rookie at any position. And so, like, I don't know.
19:08I was not especially high on Jacoby Lane in pre-draft season.
19:11But everything I heard about him, all the reporting coming out of Ravens' training camp was like, yeah, this kid is a player.
19:18So couple him with Lamar Jackson, and I can't wait to see what happens.
19:22I think he could have a big game this week.
19:25As you might recall in that week one game before he hurt his wrist, they did throw him a touchdown, and it got called back on penalty.
19:33But the first time they got in close and through, because obviously they had big plays to Zay or ran the ball with Derek Henry.
19:40But the first time they decided to throw near the end zone in that week one game, first game of his career, they were targeting Jacoby Lane.
19:48And I think you notice, too, like, not that most leagues are, you know, point-per-first-down leagues.
19:52There are some of those types of leagues out there.
19:55If you're in any sort of league like that, like, it is clear when you're watching these games that on third down,
20:02they want to throw the ball to Jacoby Lane and give him a chance to make a play to move the sticks.
20:08Like, they have a level of trust in him in those scenarios that I think is, like, really kind of screaming through
20:15the TV when you watch these games even right away.
20:17Obviously, the overall usage is still not that high.
20:20Just quickly, Fitz, before we go to Jake, where is he ranked for you?
20:24Because obviously he's ranked pretty low overall. He's wide receiver 48 at the position.
20:28Yeah, I am at wide receiver 39. Okay, so about, you know, 10 spots higher-ish.
20:33Jake, what do you think about Jacoby Lane this week?
20:36Yeah, I would take credit for having Fitz come around on this because when we did the waiver show, I went Coleman
20:42Cooper Lane as my top pickups of the week.
20:45I'm obviously saying that tongue-in-cheek. But I think that if you look at Lane, when he came out, I don't know if
20:51this makes me higher than you coming out of college, Fitz, or not.
20:55But just the comparisons, I want to give these.
20:57I said best-case scenario, T. Higgins. Worst-case scenario, Donovan Peoples-Jones.
21:00The middle of the road and what probably is the most likely outcome but might even still get to T.
21:06Higgins' level is Torrey Smith of what he used to be with the Ravens.
21:10I think that's what we're looking at right now.
21:13So everything that Fitz says completely echoed. If you want to go back and watch the waiver show, we both talked about him on there.
21:20But the biggest thing, too, is he actually, to the stat that Fitz threw out, he also ran one more route than Bateman in his first game back.
21:28The real concern was, like, is it going to take time?
21:32And it was the first game back, as Fitz said, with Huntley and not even Lamar Jackson yet.
21:37So I actually have him, like, 37. He's almost a wide receiver three for me this week.
21:42So, like, he's facing Buffalo. And I got to tell you, Fitz, like, my rankings, I'm going back and forth and back
21:48and forth of whether I would start Lane or I'm not going to just go off one game of feeling good about it, a Dunze facing the Seahawks.
21:56Yeah. Yeah, they're four spots apart for me. But same tier kind of range?
22:01Yes. I think that's a big testament just to say even the same tier as a Dunze.
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22:51Guys, let's go to some start sit player debates here.
22:54I want to start with one at running back.
22:57Ollie Gordon versus Tony Pollard. Pollard, of course, coming off of an unbelievable game against the Browns.
23:02Almost 130 yards on the ground. Another 29 or so, I think it was.
23:06Receiving three touchdowns. Huge day for Tony Pollard. Ollie Gordon has been Mr.
23:10Consistency since taking over the starting running back spot.
23:12For Miami has been just in that kind of RB 13 to RB 17 range.
23:17I think pretty much every single game the last four times he's played.
23:21Who are you guys going with here? Fitz, I'll start with you.
23:24Ollie Gordon or Tony Pollard? I would have to.
23:27Man, I'd hate to have to make this call.
23:29I'd probably just flip a coin, honestly. After great consideration, I'm going to go with Ollie Gordon because he has scored a
23:36touchdown in four straight games, whereas Tony Pollard scored three touchdowns last week, but it scored only one touchdown in his first six games.
23:43And Pollard was running back 25 and a half point PPR before the touchdown spree against Cleveland.
23:48Ollie Gordon has been RB 18 in fantasy points per game since the Devon Achan injury.
23:52And I think the Bengals are maybe a slightly tougher running game matchup than the Patriots, which would have seemed completely inconceivable a year ago.
24:00The Bengals defense is one spot ahead of the Patriots in EPA per rush.
24:04And the gap's a little bigger in DVOA. Bengals are seventh, Patriots 19th.
24:08It's the Dexter Lawrence effect. It's really hard to run inside against the Bengals now.
24:12And I don't think you're going to see Tony Pollard get three touchdowns against the Bengals this week.
24:17So I'll go with Gordon. This is Pat Fitzmaurice.
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25:55I love hearing that you are kind of aching over making a pick like this.
25:59That means that I did a good job picking these players.
26:02I always worry I'm going to come in and you go, what are you, stupid worm?
26:07This is the easiest one ever. Why did you even ask this?
26:10There are a few of those every week. Don't worry.
26:13I'm sure they pop up as always. I do the best I can.
26:17But yeah, these guys are back-to-back in ECR for what it's worth.
26:21RB18 and RB19 respectively. Gordon has moved up a couple of spots in the last two days to bridge that gap.
26:27For you, Jake, who would you prefer? What are you, stupid?
26:30I have Gordon at 19 and Pollard at 22.
26:33Actually, so adjusted points allowed that I have over the athletic.
26:36Actually, Cincinnati's third toughest against the run. And if you jump up to the Patriots, they're 23rd.
26:41But it's a point-per-game difference in the fact that Patriots are more close to the middle of the pack.
26:46And to what he said about Dexter Lawrence and everything is running up the middle, they continue to get pressure and getting hit in the backfield for opponents.
26:55And it just comes down to – I brought this up on the podcast.
26:59It's like Olly Gordon when he came out of college was like, are we going to get sophomore Olly Gordon?
27:04That was like, we're talking first-rounder. After the sophomore season, everybody was like, in two years, Olly Gordon's going to be a first-round draft pick.
27:12And then his junior season happened, everybody was like, no, he's not.
27:15And then it went so bad that we saw what happened.
27:19And since he's been in the NFL, it's been basically his junior season.
27:22But we're starting to see some flashes. I'm not going to say he's fully on with his sophomore year.
27:28But I had some hesitancy because of what we saw in that final year and what we've seen in the NFL.
27:34But it's really turned the corner. Jalen Wright got banged up again.
27:37I know it sounds like he's practicing, but he's banged up again, which is just like – He's essentially turned into Braylon Allen for the Dolphins.
27:45So just start him as a top-20 running back and enjoy it.
27:49Olly Gordon, I'll point out here, in half PPR scoring – I was even underselling him a bit.
27:54He's been RB13, RB12, RB13, and RB14 in his four games getting the workload.
27:58He's actually got – he's inside the top five in explosive run rate since he's been starting.
28:03Which is also like – that's even better than Braylon Allen.
28:06Like, as in – he's got that going for him too.
28:09Why do you think, Jake, that he's ranked as RB19 in this week's consensus rankings if he's been five spots plus ahead
28:16of that every week he's been the starter? It's twofold.
28:19It's the hesitation of – people don't want to trust Olly Gordon.
28:22It's the same thing we did with Bryce Young at the beginning of the season.
28:27It's like we've seen enough that it's like you really have to pull back into getting that faith into what's been productive on the field.
28:34And then two, it's still the Dolphins. Yeah. Like, it's the Dolphins offense.
28:38Like, you could get 18 touches in the Dolphins offense and not even get a touchdown or half a decent day just because the offense is falling apart.
28:46Fitz, if I had asked you Gordon or Ramadre Stevenson, who would you have said in this same game?
28:51Stupid. I've got Ramadre ranked higher. Ramadre is ahead of both of these two.
28:55He goes, Ramadre at 17, Pollard at 18, Gordon at 19.
28:59So that's why I went – Where do you have Stevenson?
29:0217. Where do you have Stevenson? 17? 17. Okay.
29:04And at 16. So. Okay. Yeah. So, again, stupid question.
29:07Let's go to another running back debate here. A little bit further down in the rankings.
29:12How about Jordan Mason or Blake Corum? This is when these guys are two spots apart in ECR.
29:17One's RB22. One's RB24. So both back end RB2s.
29:20Jake, who do you prefer between Mason or Corum?
29:23Tired of these stupid questions. Now, this one I think should change to kind of closer where I have it because I've gone into these rankings.
29:30This entire week assuming no Aaron Jones because it's at least a week if not two according to Twitter doctors and everything like that.
29:37But even so, they said it's similar to the injury from before.
29:41It's related at least. And I just don't think he's playing.
29:44So, I have Jordan Mason at 15. I'm starting a potential bell cow running back against the Lions.
29:49I know it's not as great as passing it is against the Lions.
29:53But Jordan Mason, as soon as Aaron Jones got hurt in that game, was basically the bell cow.
29:58And then Jones came back in a little bit.
30:01But I think that you're just looking at potential 70% or more of the workload in a match that we expect and
30:07hope to be somewhat of a shootout. Maybe the Vikings and Kyler Murray side of things can do a little bit better than this one.
30:15But that's just really what it comes down to.
30:17I like Blake Coram a lot and we know what he can do.
30:21But if it's a six-touch game and he just doesn't happen to break one off, which I know he's always a threat to do.
30:28But if he doesn't, six, seven touches still is going to be a very mediocre day.
30:33He can do it on any of those touches.
30:35But I'm going to take almost three times the touch volume any day of the week over somebody with as much upside as Coram has.
30:43You told me Coram and Mason were both going to get 15 touches.
30:46I take Coram 10 times out of 10. It's just the volume.
30:50Sure. This was one where I did look at your rankings, Jake, and I knew that you had Mason pretty high.
30:56So I did expect there to be a bit of a gap for you on this one.
31:01Fitz, I'm curious, where you come down on Mason versus Coram?
31:04Right now I've got Coram three spots higher. And I have Aaron Jones playing.
31:08It's going to be a tougher call for me if Aaron Jones sits.
31:12But it's still going to be close and I still might actually go Coram.
31:16So last week in the Rams' first game without Devontae Adams, Blake Coram had a season-high 18 touches.
31:21And I don't think that's a coincidence. The Rams need to lean hard on their running backs with no Devontae.
31:27They just can't, you know, let Stafford drop back 40 times.
31:30So I think the touch floor is raised for Coram.
31:33I don't know if there's... I guess he could get a six-touch game, but I would like to think the floor is more like 10.
31:41Also, the Rams just have a far better offense than the Vikings.
31:44Like, not even close. And as for the matchup, I know the Lions' run defense hasn't been as good as it's been
31:51in the past when they were kind of a must-avoid matchup.
31:54But this year, they're 21st in EPA per rush, 22nd in DVOA against the run.
31:58But they've been better at home against the run at Ford Field.
32:02They're giving up 69.7 rushing yards per game at home.
32:05So this is kind of a different beast. And I just think the defense overall is a different beast when Brian Branch is in the lineup.
32:12So slight edge to Coram here. I do wonder, Fitz, to your point, like, if we might sort of discover very quickly
32:19that Blake Coram is entering into that borderline must-start territory as long as Devontae's out.
32:23Like, if that sort of volume continues, I do think he will end up being very regularly ranked in an area where it's not even really...
32:31I'm not saying he's going to be top 10 every week when Kyron is healthy.
32:35But, like, I think he might get into an area where it's, like, becomes less and less of a question of, you
32:41know, like, how can you possibly sit this guy if this volume really does keep up as long as Devontae's out?
32:48Because I kind of anticipated playing out something close to that way as well, Fitz.
32:52I love watching him play the way he just takes a handoff, kind of pauses for a second and takes the measure
32:58of the, you know, what the defense is showing.
33:01And then just explodes into whatever lane he's aiming for.
33:04Another guy, too, who, you know, he's ranked, like I said, RB24.
33:07He's been inside the top 15 three straight weeks in half PPR scoring with what he's done so far.
33:13But, of course, I think, obviously, if Aaron Jones is out, Mason makes a whole lot of sense, too.
33:18That's why I put them together. I'm sorry, Fitz, where did you say Mason will be ranked if Aaron Jones does end up out?
33:26I know you said you'd bump him up. Right now I've got Coram at running back 23, and I think Mason will
33:32either be right behind him or maybe I'll change my mind.
33:35Right there. Well, then here, I'll give you a question.
33:38Okay. Would you start Mason with no Jones or Ashton Gentry?
33:41Still. I would start Mason. Still Gentry because he's so active in the passing game.
33:46I don't care. He doesn't find the end zone.
33:48He's not even an RB1. So that's a. Well, I think you guys are reversed on this, but I imagine, Jake, you
33:55would start those guys we already discussed. Or something, you wouldn't start the guys we already discussed, like Pollard, Gordon, Ramondre over Jordan Mason with Aaron Jones out.
34:03Meanwhile. I would start Stevenson. You would start Stevenson over, but not those other two?
34:07Yeah. Okay. Like Stevenson, Hall in the ranks, Gordon, Barkley in the ranks, and then we're talking Coram.
34:13But I'd start Coram over like Judkins or even Jeremiah Love.
34:16I think that's going to be a tough. That would be a tough one if Jeremiah Love is back.
34:21And Fitz, you're starting those Pollards and Gordons ahead of Mason or Coram.
34:25Correct. Right. Even if Jones is out. Yes. Okay.
34:28All right. Let's go to a wide receiver debate here, guys.
34:31How about A.J. Brown versus Garrett Wilson? A couple of big names coming off less than big performances.
34:36Fitz, I'll start with you on this one. A.J.
34:39Brown this week or Garrett Wilson? As bad as he's looked, I'm going to go with A.J.
34:44Brown. Sort of the undisputed number one target for Drake May.
34:47And it's Drake May, one of the best quarterbacks in the game.
34:50Whereas Wilson, maybe he gets the squeaky wheel treatment this week and gets a ton of targets.
34:55But they are targets coming from Geno Smith. The quarterback disparity is a big thing for me in this one.
35:01But it's also the Jets having multiple credible pass catchers now.
35:04Like Omar Cooper looks like a budding star. Adonai Mitchell is kind of dangerous.
35:09They've got two tight ends now. We saw Mason Taylor kind of pop off last week.
35:13And Kenyon Sadiq, who was, what, the 15th or 16th pick in the draft?
35:17So that is a lot of, I hate the too many mouths to feed cliche, but that's a lot of mouths for Geno Smith to feed.
35:25And I'd rather just go for Drake May's number one receiver.
35:28They are two spots apart in ECR. Jake, where are you at on Brown versus Wilson?
35:33Yeah, so completely different. We're in a lot of disagreement so far after celebrating the Brewers.
35:37I am not starting A.J. Brown. I have him as a fringe wide receiver too.
35:42I am down with Diggs and Metcalf. He does not look 100%.
35:45And there's been, again, Twitter doctors that have speculated that he's not going to be 100% for another week or two or
35:52possibly three now that he's limited in practice on Wednesday.
35:55And I'm not too worried about Wednesday practices. Nobody really should be at this point.
35:59We've talked about it before. Fitz has mentioned. It says more, and I agree with it.
36:04It says more if you're returning from an injury and you get a limited session in on Wednesday than it does if you're missing practice.
36:11Like, look at the Lions. Like, Dan Campbell's like, yeah, they need some time off.
36:15And so, like, we're not worried about Wednesday practices.
36:18That being said, I just – I'm watching A.J.
36:21Brown. He doesn't look right. And for – like, I think – I don't know if we did it on this show.
36:27I know I made the comparison on my podcast.
36:30But I said he's essentially so far since his return, he looks like Mike Evans, which would be like, hey, you know,
36:36you don't have the burst anymore, but at least you're a big option.
36:40You'd be a red zone threat. The problem is he's not even catching the 50-50 balls.
36:45Like, he's getting out-contested by smaller corners, too. Like, it looks like – and again, hopefully it gets right this week.
36:51Actually, this is one where, like, I hope I'm wrong because I want A.J.
36:55Brown to get right. I bought low on him in some spots.
36:58And I think that's a terrific pairing with Drake May.
37:01I said that before the season. But watching him so far, it's not only the injury.
37:06It feels like we're getting the checked-out Eagles version of A.J.
37:09Brown with this injury on top of it. And I just don't want to start him until I see it get right.
37:16And the biggest thing about it, too, is, like, the matchup.
37:19The Dolphins aren't, like, fearsome in the secondary. They're good.
37:22But they're good, and their run defense is so terrible, and everybody can just run all over them.
37:27That – also, the game where if you can get up in this one where you get a lot of Stephens and everything.
37:34Like, I don't know that they need A.J. Brown in this game.
37:37So, again, I still would say, like, I hope I'm wrong because I would love to get back in on A.J.
37:43Brown and being able to start him confidently as a wide receiver one.
37:47But I have him behind Michael Wilson, who I'm concerned about.
37:50Big concern about. Luther, Byrd, and Devontis Smith if he plays.
37:54Cook or Wilson. And D.J. Moore end up from there.
37:56So, I have Wilson at 16. I have A.J.
37:59Brown at 22. Fitz, any sort of – you know, you're talking about the quarterback matchup.
38:04Any sort of thoughts on, like, Geno Smith, a bit of a revenge against the Raiders and that leading to a bigger passing game?
38:11I didn't think about that. Got to watch. He's got, like, seven teams that could be a revenge against him.
38:17Exactly. Every game is a revenge game for Geno Smith.
38:20No, nothing on that. But, like, to Jake's point, it is fair.
38:23A.J. Brown does not look great. And on the ranking show yesterday, I made some comment about, like, as far as the
38:29separation, you could not slide a credit card in between A.J.
38:33Brown and his defenders this week. Or the last two weeks.
38:36So, yeah, I'm concerned about how bad he's looked.
38:38But sometimes, like, guys get healthier and, like, it wouldn't – would it surprise you if A.J.
38:43Brown had a 150-yard game or if Ashton Gentey had a 120-yard rushing game this week?
38:48No, because they're good players. And maybe all of a sudden, you know, they start to feel better.
38:53And, like, whatever they've been dealing with starts to lessen.
38:56And Erickson made the point to me earlier this week that he felt like A.J.
39:01Brown actually looked better in his first game back than he did in his second.
39:05And in his second, he felt like he looked more injured than he did in that first game.
39:10There was more separation, I think, in the first game.
39:13And, like, this past game against the Bears, it was just – yeah, terrible.
39:17Yeah. A little bit of extra rest this week, so maybe that helps too.
39:21The other wide receiver debate I have for us is Jordan Addison or Makai Lemon.
39:26And Lemon coming off of a little bit of a mini breakout here for the Eagles.
39:30He had his first, you know, I mean, good game.
39:33Seven catches, 67 yards, and a touchdown. Jordan Addison continues to not be very good, but he is facing this Detroit defense
39:40that has given a lot of players their best games of the season this year.
39:44They are two spots apart in ECR, both back and wide receiver three territory.
39:48Jake, start with you on this one. Jordan Addison or Makai Lemon?
39:52Yeah, I'm going to celebrate. Jordan Addison this year.
39:54And now, you know what that means, though. As soon as I do that, he's going to score a touchdown this week.
40:01Jordan Addison has one top 50 PPR performance. One.
40:03And he found the end zone. And I'm pretty sure that was the no Justin Jefferson game, if I'm not mistaken.
40:10And then he missed the game, too, that being said.
40:13But the thing that I went into this year of why I have zero Jordan Addison is because Kyler Murray, for his
40:19entire career, and some of it comes down to who you play with.
40:23But essentially, if you watch him play, too, he is wide receiver, tight end, wide receiver, tight end, wide receiver, tight end.
40:29He doesn't use a second wide receiver unless the tight end has been irrelevant.
40:33Like, I mean, we're talking like Gunnar Helm level.
40:36So that's what I say. It's like, I kind of saw this coming.
40:40I got plenty of things wrong. I got, you know, the tall Colston Loveland any day of the week.
40:45I got that wrong. But all that being said is it just comes down to as much as I'm joking about it right now.
40:52The truth is Jordan Addison is the clear third, if not fourth option on this team, if you include the backfield.
40:58And I just don't want a piece of that unless I'm looking for it.
41:02This is where you get it. The Hail Mary play.
41:05This turns into somehow a better shootout than we got last week.
41:09Somehow. That's why I say somehow. It's like ends up being 38, 35.
41:13And then Jordan Addison gets a big play for a touchdown.
41:16That's always on the table. But that's why he's a wide receiver four for me all the way down there.
41:22I'm just not going to ever put him back in the wide receiver threes.
41:26The only time I had them was when Justin Jefferson was banged up.
41:30But I just this is the just truth of what this offense is with Kyler Murray and the style and everything there.
41:36So I am never starting Jordan Addison. The only way that I would start him is that if Devontae Smith and Dontavian Wicks were both playing.
41:44But it doesn't look like that's the case. Fitz, where are you at on these two?
41:48Particularly Addison with that matchup against the Lions. I think you get a floor with Makai Lemon.
41:53And my ranking on him kind of depends on the availability of Devontae Smith and Dontavian Wicks.
41:58It doesn't sound like Dontavian or like Devontae Smith is coming back anytime soon.
42:02It just seems like the smoke around him is kind of bad.
42:06But yeah, seven catches, 67 yards and a touchdown last week for Lemon.
42:10Really encouraging. So yeah, there's a discernible floor. Just everything Jake said about Addison, I would echo.
42:15But I think that in two weeks or so, we are going to be not talking about the Lions as a come
42:21one, come all matchup for pass catchers. And we already started to see last week, did Jordan Love and Christian Watson and
42:27Matthew Golden go off against the Lions? They did not.
42:30And granted, Golden should have had a couple of snags that would have made his day and Love's day a lot better.
42:37But like Brian Branch is back and Brian Branch is a big difference maker, the safety.
42:41And now apparently Kirby Joseph is getting ready to practice coming off IR.
42:45So Lions might have the best pair of safeties in the league.
42:49And when both of those guys are back, people are not going to be picking on the Lions the way they used to be earlier in the season.
42:57So yeah, this is a pretty snap call for me, Lemon over Addison.
43:01Rest of season, Fitz. Makai Lemon, are you intrigued by, you know, we often see these first-round rookies break out in the second half of the season.
43:09Obviously, the offensive environment is not that friendly for him.
43:11Where's your head at in terms of rest of season, Makai Lemon as a target?
43:16Not with Tanner McKee. Like I just can't get excited.
43:19More like bi-week spackle than actually someone I'm proactively starting.
43:22Okay. That's very similar mindset for you, Jake. Similar.
43:24I was also kind of missed the beginning of that question, admittedly, because I was looking it up at.
43:30No, no. Because I was looking it up at.
43:32Rest of season, Makai Lemon was the question. Just sort of your head at.
43:37Like just where he is in general? Yeah, just generally as a rookie, second half of the year, we often see those guys break out.
43:44But yeah. I don't know that anybody wants my answer because they're going to say it's just clouded because I'm a Makai Lemon fan.
43:51And I like campaigned for him this entire preseason campaign and like told people to just be patient and wait for the middle of the season.
43:58And we're there. But that being said, that's the truth.
44:01With most rookies, even first rounders are second half of the first season kind of guys.
44:06It's happening because of injuries. Admittedly, that's why I say people don't want to hear.
44:10But like admittedly, it's happening. Like if no Devontae Smith injury and Tamion Wicks, probably don't want to see that much from
44:17him at this point because he just wasn't getting mixed into it.
44:20McKee actually might help a little bit just because maybe Hurts just never gave Lemon the trust and just was one of those.
44:27It's an Aaron Rodgers type thing. It's like you lost my trust.
44:31I just don't want to use you yet. But it's enough to say that like if one of the two are out,
44:37why receiver for the rest of the season? I was going to say so.
44:41I was looking up when Fitz brought it up.
44:44The most dropped targets, like actual drop, not like as in like, oh, it was a contested catch.
44:49The most dropped targets on the season, Matthew Golden was seven.
44:52Like he could, Matthew Golden could be, and this is why he could be a top five fantasy wide receiver right now if not for those drops.
45:00Weirdly, he reminds me of Dontavian Wicks and that he's great at getting open but not so great at actually catching the ball.
45:07Yeah. And one of them was an end zone target too, and it was just like he probably has another two touchdowns
45:13on the table if it's not for the drops.
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45:34How about Rashad White versus Emmanuel Wilson, Fitz? I was going to say it hinges on whether we see either Zach Charbonnet or Jadarian Price.
45:42Charbonnet activated off-fire, didn't play last week. Not sure if that means that he just isn't right yet.
45:47And Jadarian Price, I think, has been, they said he's going to return to practice.
45:51But I'm just going to go with Rashad White because I liked the matchup for Wilson against the Bears.
45:57I like it a little less now that they've traded for Jeffrey Simmons.
46:01Do you think he'll play this week? I think he'll play some, probably not a full set of snaps, but I would imagine he'd play early rushing downs.
46:09So, um, makes me like Emmanuel Wilson a little bit less.
46:12We didn't really have time to react to the Simmons trade at the top of the show because somebody wanted to talk
46:18about the Brewers winning the World Series. But, um, Fitz, what was your reaction to somebody in that division?
46:24Show starts six minutes in or whatever. Uh, I admire the chutzpah of Ryan Poles, the Bears GM, for making this deal.
46:30But they basically gave up the same, same price that the Packers paid to get Micah Parsons.
46:35And Micah Parsons was, what, three, three years younger.
46:38And I think just maybe more impactful. It's a steep price to pay.
46:42I'll say that. It's, it's a great fit for what the Bears need.
46:45And it makes them like a very, very, very serious contender in my opinion.
46:50But having said that, I pretty much as a blanket rule, don't like trading two firsts for a defensive player.
46:55Like, it's just really hard for that to look good in hindsight.
46:59The player has to be unbelievable, which maybe Simmons will be.
47:02He's a really good player. Um, Jake, where are you at?
47:05Yeah, I think this is enough of an impact.
47:08I would expect them to be out there. A decent chunk in the first game is defensive.
47:13So that's always different too, especially if somebody is like him.
47:16It's enough that we're going to start thinking about.
47:19We already were. The Bears were a better defense than expected.
47:22They're middle of the pack. But now it's one that's like, ooh, maybe the running backs.
47:27This is now a tiebreak where if you have two close running backs, you're like, well, I want to avoid the Bears.
47:33We could actually be talking about that going forward.
47:36But yeah, the steep price. Funny thing is, like, what if this happens next year?
47:40Because we're on track where the Colts could potentially be giving up the number one pick, having traded a year before after
47:47that happened the year before with the Bears doing.
47:49Like, so, and like, we're going to get, I wonder if we're going to continue to see, like, the first pick was
47:56traded the year before, which is maybe they'll stop doing that.
47:59Yeah. Does that impact how you're ranking these two against each other, Rashad White, Emmanuel Wilson?
48:03No, I had White ahead, period, already. Okay. Because the Eagles don't scare me, but I do have Charbonnet in the ranks.
48:10So if Charbonnet was out, it would be close.
48:12It'd be closer, but I would still go White.
48:15All right. Let's go to Denzel Boston versus Casey Concepcion.
48:18A couple of rookie teammates on the same team, ranked relatively close to each other in ECR.
48:23Jake, I'll start with you on this one. Who do you prefer between Boston and Concepcion?
48:28Yeah, not just because of the game he's coming off of, but because of the matchup too.
48:33Concepcion can do more things against the Steelers or should be able to do more things against the Steelers matchup with opportunities
48:39outside and getting them inside, that being Boston. Boston has the higher ceiling because all it takes is, you know, he gets those 40-yard plays.
48:46Like, he could have had two last week and we wouldn't even be like, oh, it's so disappointing in Boston.
48:52But Concepcion barely ahead of Boston. I have them both as mid-wide receiver threes, so it's not a big gap.
48:58This one's super close for me. They're both inside the top 30 on consensus fits.
49:02Who do you prefer? Yeah, I've got Boston higher.
49:05I just think he has the more valuable role and gets the more valuable targets.
49:09I mean, he's averaging 18.6 yards per catch and he just operates deeper downfield.
49:14And he had a big game, well, not a big game, four catches for 89 yards, but it was his second best
49:20yardage day of the season against Pittsburgh. And Steelers are pretty tough on slot receivers too.
49:25So I like Boston here. Teammate theme and throwing a tight end here at the flexes.
49:29How about Hunter Henry versus Travion Henderson? I actually find this to be easily Hunter Henry, but the flex rankings consensus of fantasypros.com didn't agree.
49:37So, Jake, who do you prefer between Henderson and Henry?
49:39I can't believe I'm taking a tight end over a running back.
49:43But the truth is of what Henderson is now, and for a million questions about this week, he is now a next man up.
49:50He is a next man up. You put on your bench.
49:53But if anything were to happen to Stevenson, he'd be inside the top 20.
49:57RB2, probably not top three like he was last year just because he doesn't look as good this year.
50:03There's something maybe going on with Henderson. But in this case, unless there's an injury, he's sharing touches with Corey Kiner.
50:09Not that I think that continues too much. But yeah, Hunter Henry has been valuable again.
50:14Like he kind of goes through these roller coasters, but right now it's working.
50:18Fitz? Yeah, it's a little annoying that Eli Raritan is sort of horning in on the tight end targets for Hunter Henry,
50:24but I'm still taking him over Henderson who might get four touches.
50:28Let's go to another flex here. A Marion Hampton versus Stefan Diggs fits.
50:31Diggs pretty easily for me. You just figure like he's going to have eight to ten touches a game going forward now that there's no Terry McLaurin.
50:39And I just, yeah, I have very minimal expectations that the Chargers were able to fix a broken running game on their bye week.
50:46And the offensive line for the Chargers is just terrible.
50:49They could get Joe Alt back for this game.
50:52I haven't seen Alt status lately, but the middle of the line is still terrible.
50:56I'm taking Diggs. Jake, are you giving any, you know, possible credit to the Chargers maybe turning things around somewhat here in the bye week?
51:04They would have to change their running style. And that's really what it comes down to.
51:08Is McDaniel going to do that? I would actually prefer it if McDaniel got fired because maybe we'd get a little bit
51:15more power kind of scheme for Hampton. Hampton, again, doesn't have a good fit.
51:19And I snickered because when he said eight to ten for Diggs, I was like, are we even going to get that for Hampton at this point?
51:27So we hope things change and we get, but it was a full blown committee and a terrible offense before they went into their bye.
51:34I don't know if that's fixed just by having to buy.
51:37Let's stick with the theme of teammates against each other here.
51:40How about Cortland Sutton or RJ Harvey this week?
51:43Obviously, Jonah Coleman back. We talked about that earlier in the show.
51:47Sutton or Harvey. Jake, I hear you laughing. I'll go to you first.
51:50No, that was actually fist that laugh, but I was like, oh, okay.
51:54Oh, I thought it was. Mine was a silent laugh.
51:57We're both laughing. Neither, but you know what? No, Jalen Waddell.
52:00I'll take Sutton just because what's RJ Harvey's ceiling.
52:03Like, I know the touch, like take touchdowns off the table because touchdowns are like, you know, of course they score a touchdown.
52:10But the randomness and why I say take them off the table is because the randomness for Sutton or Harvey scoring a touchdown is similar.
52:17So now I go to the matchup. He's the number one wide receiver.
52:21And that volume with Bo Nix, you just go back to last year with no Jalen Waddell.
52:26And that's why I would go for it. And RJ Harvey really needs a touchdown with Jonah Coleman now being involved.
52:32Fitz, you were the one laughing. What do you think here?
52:35Yeah. What are we going to advise the fantasy manager with their two and five team that is heavily invested in the Denver offense this year?
52:43Two wins? That might be generous. Exactly. Jake makes a fair point.
52:46I am going to go with the guy who is less reliant on Bo Nix.
52:50And that's RJ Harvey. Boy, is he though? Well, he only needs Bo Nix to dump off, which Bo Nix is usually quite willing to do.
52:58So I'm taking Harvey. One more flex here. Xavier Worthy or Kenny Gainwell, Fitz?
53:02People are still rostering Kenny Gainwell. Like, why? And I know he, because the Buccaneers ran for like 300 yards on the Panthers last week.
53:09And that's not even really an exaggeration. Gainwell had a decent day.
53:13But like, Bucky Irving is just stiff arming Kenny Gainwell into irrelevance.
53:16And Xavier Worthy, still kind of the number one receiver.
53:19Maybe Rishi Rice is back this week. But I would play Worthy even in the tough matchup against Denver.
53:25It was funny. For a half second, we said people are still rostering.
53:29I wasn't sure which name you were going to say.
53:32That's true. Both of them are ranked inside the top 40 at their respective positions for this week.
53:37So this might be a decision folks need to make in a deeper league.
53:41Jake, who do you prefer? Worthy or Gainwell? I was going to say, that's got to be with a lot of people not ranking Rishi Rice.
53:49It's Worthy with no Rice. It's Gainwell with Rice.
53:51Very strong for me. Keep it simple. Jake, you alluded to it earlier.
53:55Quarterback Patrick Mahomes or Jacoby Brissett? Brissett is ranked higher.
53:58But obviously, kind of a big name versus a guy that people maybe trust a little bit less.
54:03Who do you prefer here? Mahomes or Brissett? So I had Alfredo Brown on my podcast.
54:08And I asked him to agree with the statement.
54:10Is Patrick Mahomes just a streaming quarterback? And he gave it a full five out of five.
54:15And I couldn't even bring him down to a four by saying, what if we get Rishi Rice back?
54:21And he's like, maybe a four, but probably still a five.
54:24Bring all that up. He's like, that's where Mahomes is at this point.
54:28And it's okay. I definitely think it helps to have Rice back.
54:31But the stat I was going to give, 37 or more attempts for Jacoby Brissett.
54:36He's averaging almost 21 fancy points per game. And three of those games were with mid 40 or more pass attempts.
54:42Everybody on the planet, projection wise, thinks this is going to be a situation where Brissett's throwing potentially 40 plus times.
54:48So I'm taking Brissett anytime you tell me 40 plus.
54:51If you tell me 35 or fewer, no Jacoby Brissett.
54:54Because in those games, he's not even a top 18 quarterback.
54:57It's kind of wild to me that this game, the Cardinals Cowboys game, the total is the same as the Ravens Bills.
55:04Like we have one game with Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson, and then one has the Cardinals involved and it's the same projected total.
55:11One has no defense. I mean, that's why, but it just, it just kind of blows my mind.
55:16Shout out to Ian Harditz. He tweeted this during this game last Cowboys game last week.
55:21Their EPA allowed is the same as the Bills EPA offense.
55:24They turn every opponent into the Bills offense. That's wild.
55:27Mahomes or Brissett fits? Let's see. Top 10 all-time quarterback or career journeyman who's averaging 5.7 yards per pass attempt this season
55:33and can't complete any sort of pass downfield. I'm going to take Patrick Mahomes.
55:37Not even a question in my mind. Like, I don't want to live on volume and garbage time.
55:42And Brissett basically is terrible until you get to garbage time.
55:46He comes out and he's, he does well with whatever they script for him, like the first series.
55:51Then he stanks until the fourth quarter and then he piles up like a bunch of yardage.
55:56And maybe he'll do that again and outpoint Patrick Mahomes this week.
55:59I would be ill starting Jacoby Brissett over Patrick Mahomes.
56:02There's no way I'm ever doing it. At tight end, Dallas Goddard or Dalton Kincaid fits?
56:07This is another one. Do I want to start the guy tied to Josh Allen or the guy tied to Tanner McKee?
56:13And before the Bills went on by, like when we last saw them, seven catches, eight targets for Dalton Kincaid.
56:19I think he only had 38 yards, but he did have a touchdown wiped off the board, which was a shame because it was his birthday.
56:27And he was playing in Las Vegas, his hometown.
56:29Um, but it was good to see Kincaid get re-involved in the Bills passing attack.
56:34And, you know, Vegas total of 54 and a half for that game.
56:38Vegas total in the Eagles game is 40 and a half.
56:41So, uh, I'm going to say Kincaid here. Uh, uh, Jake for you between Goddard and Kincaid, who do you prefer?
56:47Yeah. Kincaid, even with that game last week with McKee, Goddard, it's just hasn't been as effective without Jalen Hurt.
56:53So, and I just, not that's a huge drop off, but it's enough to Kincaid to Josh Allen in that game as well.
56:59I want a lot of players in that game.
57:02Goddard is higher in consensus. You guys are against that.
57:05He's tied in four, Kincaid tied in six. Um, Fitz has got to run.
57:09So let's quickly do our touchdown calls contest. I'm at running back.
57:13I'm going Bayshall too. And I just think the Jags are so much better than the Colts.
57:18The Colts are clearly, um, calling it on their season with these trades they're starting to make.
57:23And, uh, I think the Jags are going to absolutely smash them.
57:26And when I think the team's going to win by a lot, I'm going to trust their running back to get into the end zone.
57:33I think he, I think multiple running backs could score for them in this week.
57:38So I'll go Bayshall toot in here coming off of, by the way, getting a tight end one, right?
57:43Which I don't do very often. So I was happy to get Tucker Kraft last week, uh, trying to make it a
57:50winning streak here on the touchdown calls contest. Jake, your wide receiver.
57:53Yeah, I almost, I wanted to say both Cowboys.
57:56Cause I wanted to make up for the touchdown, getting called back on my tight end pick and then not getting Woody Marks last week.
58:03He's only had back-to-back touchdown weeks twice. And they both came in the final two games of the season for him.
58:09This would be actually the first time he does it anytime in the middle of the season.
58:14It's going to happen. I know the buy was in there, but this again, the bills, Zay Flowers, by the way, who like, yeah, this.
58:22He had a huge game against him in week one last year too.
58:25Last time I faced him. It's the bills too.
58:28And it's Zay Flowers, which is by the way, taking a whole nother step to his game.
58:33There, there are no better wide receivers that stop and come directly back to the quarterback.
58:38Like he escaped, like there's two defenders and he like pops out and squirts out.
58:42Like Zay Flowers is going to dominate this game.
58:45Fitz tight end. Let's double up on Jaguars with the touchdown calls.
58:48I'm going with Brenton Strange. Hasn't scored a touchdown since week one, but he has had 19 catchers for 207 yards over the last three weeks.
58:56He's been tight end seven and PPR scoring without a touchdown.
58:59I think he gets the touchdown this week. You just ruined it.
59:02You just jinxed him. Cause the last time we doubled up on Jaguars, he got left out.
59:07Cause I had the Parker Washington two touchdowns and then Worm got screwed.
59:11So you just screwed. Worm, he just screwed you.
59:14I'm five for seven on TD calls this season, Jake.
59:17I'm not jinxing anybody, baby. Yeah. Fitz is crushing it here.
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