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0:04Grainger, for the ones who get it done. I'm sure you're telling everybody that all of our weekly consensus rankings and tiers
0:11can be found at FantasyPros.com slash rankings. Tara, before we get into the players you want to talk about, how are you
0:18surviving this horrific, atrocious, awful week two? We were talking before we started taping, and holy cow, was this a less fun week than week one was.
0:26Yeah, yeah, I'm giving up on Justin Herbert. We're officially moving into the Justin, we're not going to move into Justin Herbert
0:33hater camp, but man, fool me once, shame on you.
0:36Fool me like five times, shame on me. No, it hasn't been that.
0:40Has it been that much? It's been quite a streak of disappointing results over and over and over again.
0:45Thank God for Tyler Shuck at this point. That's all I got to say.
0:50Yeah, well, I maybe would agree with that if he didn't just beat my Ravens.
0:54Oh yeah. But no, Shuck does look good and is deserving of some praise here, so I can't hate too much on it.
1:01Yeah, I mean, injuries galore, low score. It was like, I think the Sunday afternoon slate had about like 18 points per
1:08game, fewer than week one's Sunday afternoon slate. So just all the offense and then none of the offense.
1:14You know, major quarterback injuries, which are especially not fun.
1:17Just really, really brutal all the way around. So we're hoping for a bounce back here in week three.
1:23Hard to believe we're already embarking on our week three journey.
1:26This soon in the season feels it feels sooner and sooner every year.
1:30You can't believe how quickly the season's moving along.
1:33Let's start with some buys here. Tara, who do you want to talk about?
1:37I said buy a bear last week. At the time, I did not know that we were facing a nasty weather situation
1:44where everyone, even Justin Jefferson, couldn't really push through from a fantasy perspective outside of the running backs.
1:49So I'm giving the bears a slight minor pass, a minor excuse.
1:53But at this point, I know that everyone is panicking on the bears.
1:57And then we have the whole Kayla Williams injury.
1:59Luckily, not seeming like it's that massive of an injury.
2:02They're saying week to week, but at least we know that it's more of a hamstring.
2:07So from a quarterback's perspective, this is not as detrimental as it could have been.
2:12But the one guy that I am still saying, hey, we still need to look at this as a buy low opportunity.
2:19It is Colson Loveland. So I ask people to hear me out on this because two weeks into the season, Loveland has
2:25literally just one catch for three yards. And fantasy managers are willing to offer a bag of peanuts to the point where
2:32they are ready to drop kick him to waivers.
2:35I have seen the evidence of people asking, like, do I drop this guy?
2:39So perhaps if you're in a shallow league, you don't even have to make this move.
2:44You can just wait and see if someone is frustrated and kicks him off to the roster.
2:49But in deeper leagues, they're not willing to let go quite yet.
2:53And there's valid reason for that. And, you know, the reason is why I'm specifically advocating for Colson Loveland because he is the tight end one.
3:01I know the fantasy points are not showing it, but he is on the field upwards of 85% of snaps.
3:07He ran more routes than any other Bears pass catcher in week one.
3:11He ran a little bit less in week two, but still plenty.
3:14He is out there. The targets just aren't coming and it looked a lot worse.
3:19It continues to look worse because, you know, this week we got Sam Rauch on the field for significantly less time, but was targeted just as much.
3:27So on the surface, if fantasy managers are looking at this, they're thinking that it's split usage when it's really not.
3:33It's just a very random, weird outcome. And hopefully the Bears look at their offense and say, we need to adjust the
3:40players that this offense is running through. We feel strong about our ground game, our ground game, but our pass catchers are just not putting up the numbers.
3:49And so we need to adjust how we are approaching for this.
3:52So I would go for Loveland over Adunze and Burden because Adunze is more of a risk for his work being affected by any Caleb Williams injury.
4:01And then Burden has the competition, unfortunately, from Kalief Raymond, which is making me a little bit nervous.
4:06And then also his ceiling is just like a little naturally lower than Roma Dunze and Colston Loveland because of how he plays on the field.
4:14So for that reason, we are still buying Loveland because he's still a significant presence on the field.
4:19And unlike like if we pivoted to compare at another tight end position of somebody who wildly disappointed, like look at an
4:26Ironde Gadsden, who now prior to these injuries, there's opportunity for him.
4:30If you're looking to jump on the waiver wires, but prior to injuries, Gadsden's usage was straight up snatched by Charlie Kohler and David Njoku.
4:37So that is a situation where you would be panicking because they obviously clearly adjusted his role within the offense, but it's
4:44not the same thing with Colston Loveland. So if people are really to the point where they're debating dropping him, but they're
4:51just unwilling because how can you drop somebody that you pick that early?
4:55Make it easy on them. And it doesn't have to be a one for one trade.
5:00You can target him along someone else as well.
5:02If you were ranking rest of season, like he was the clear tight end three coming in.
5:07Where is he at for you now? I moved him down.
5:11I know. And especially like in week two rankings, I know people were still holding on.
5:16I moved him down a little bit lower to a low end tight end one.
5:20I think that's an appropriate range. I could have him below a Dallas Goddard if I could trust him to stay on
5:27the field and Isaiah likely I could have him below as well.
5:31But after that, things get very shaky with guys like Kyle Pitts and Mark Andrews.
5:35So there's only a degree to which he can drop.
5:38So he's still a tight end one. It's just he's pushed on back a little bit further.
5:43Give me another player to buy. We're buying Garrett Wilson.
5:46This is not a buy low. So this is not like, oh, God, it's detrimental.
5:51We're buying low and it's a risk. It's a buy because what I think we're seeing is floor games and the real
5:58upside is about to hit quite literally this week.
6:00So that is why it's a buy right now because you don't want to do it after this week because of the
6:07potential due to matchup for two weeks in a row.
6:10We have seen Garrett Wilson with seven targets. He caught six of those targets last week for 79 yards.
6:16He got five of those targets for 57 yards at a touchdown last week.
6:20It was a very low pass volume day because the Jets leaned on Brees Hall against Tennessee this week.
6:26More volume from Geno Smith. Lots of volume. He threw for just over 40 attempts, but less efficient.
6:32It was messy. It was a weather week. Again, they dealt with rain in that matchup.
6:36But again, he put up a nice floor, very moderate game.
6:40So we're seeing steady volume for Wilson and he has not hit his peak usage.
6:44His floor right now is a low end wide receiver too.
6:48And we are hitting the wide receiver one game starting this week in a matchup against Detroit, followed by a matchup against
6:54a very vulnerable Chicago secondary as well. Don't be fooled just because the secondary, I guess, theoretically could have looked better in
7:01terms of the low score this week. It was the weather that was really the issue.
7:06We have consistently seen Chicago secondary struggle, not just this season, but last season as well.
7:11That is their weakness. They're tougher on the ground.
7:14So two great games. If you're going to target him, now is the time to do so because the odds of him
7:20going off this week are very high. Wilson is a it's a buy for people that are looking for a cost effective
7:27wide receiver one because it's the Jets. And although they are doing well overall, there's clear improvement.
7:32People are just very skeptical and people are skeptical of Geno Smith.
7:36So there's only so much of a hold that Garrett Wilson has on people.
7:40So it's a really easy one to slide in there and get a guy who's got a certain level of guaranteed volume.
7:47And it also helps that we see Adonai Mitchell guarding, guarding targets and looking good as well.
7:52So that helps in terms of keeping him very cost effective.
7:55Geno Smith has looked much more effective on the Jets compared to last season.
8:00The offensive line is holding up well. And again, Adonai Mitchell as a deep threat ensures that defenses are kept honest and multiple threats to account for.
8:08The receiving core is rounding out very nicely. I love Garrett Wilson as a buy before he goes off.
8:14I think this feels to me like a year.
8:16It's a it's a wide receiver one at a wide receiver two price kind of the way you were putting it.
8:23I think that's that's a good framing of it.
8:25It's not even just the next two weeks, which obviously are amazing with Detroit and Chicago.
8:30But, you know, Cleveland in that game is not in Cleveland.
8:34That defense tends to be worse on the road.
8:36The road historically is in week five, then New England, then Miami in week seven, the Raiders in week eight, then a couple of tougher teams.
8:44But like the Chargers in week 11 don't look tough.
8:47Another Miami game in week 12. Like there are some real interesting matchups, particularly in the next five or six weeks.
8:54But even beyond that, that are really intriguing. I think it's going to be a very fun stretch for Garrett Wilson managers here that I'm very interested in.
9:02And I'm with you like the Jets. Listen, are they a great team?
9:06No. Are they better than their reputation would suggest?
9:09I do think so. And and I think I think this is not going anywhere for Wilson.
9:14I think that the floor just from his talent as a player is always going to be there.
9:20And then the ceiling, I think it's very easy to imagine where it might be going forward.
9:25So I'm totally on board with you with you here on this one.
9:29I like this pick a lot. Let's go to the next player you want to talk about.
9:34I believe we have a cell. We do. And at this point, I don't know.
9:38Maybe I'm just asking for people to get angry with me.
9:42But we are going to sell Jalen Waddell. I know.
9:45I know people. But cell highs do tend to induce a little bit of anger.
9:49So here we go. My advice on Jalen Waddell in week two is was that, you know, we're still starting him.
9:56Like, hey, we're not panicking just because there was a bad week one.
10:00Don't let that deter you from a guy that you drafted and just permanently bench him unless something goes completely sideways.
10:06And he had a fantastic game. So this is no hate to Waddell.
10:10He had eight receptions, 10 targets, well over 100 yards.
10:13Sutton remained, you know, much lower single digit production.
10:16Definitely a field stretcher. Pat Bryant faded. Thank God for that.
10:19But but offenses don't always operate the exact same season to season.
10:23Right. And we do have a change in play calling.
10:26But we should not forget the roller coaster of the Broncos 2025 pass catchers.
10:30Just because we saw the resurgence of Jalen Waddell this week does not mean that in week three it won't go back to the week one usage.
10:38This is a very deep receiving core where they can adjust opt to adjust their usage of the receivers on a week to week basis according to matchups.
10:47This version of the offense that heavily targeted Jalen Waddell might not be the version that we see in week three against
10:54the Rams or in week four against San Francisco.
10:56This isn't an offense that functions like Seattle, where the volume is just funneling through JSN no matter what.
11:02It doesn't matter who is at the quarterback. It doesn't matter what the game plan is.
11:07It doesn't matter the defense. It's going that direction.
11:10But Denver has not traditionally operated that manner. Everyone was obviously in on Waddell all offseason.
11:15So selling him high right now after an excellent game doesn't really have to take much in terms of convincing people.
11:21And it doesn't have to read as we're selling high and bailing out and panicking.
11:26You'll still get very good value. So him coming off of this game is a good time to get what he is
11:32actually worth and be able to pivot if you're weaker at another position.
11:36Perhaps you're weaker at running back, but you drafted very well.
11:40In mid rounds, you maybe you have a Parker Washington and a Christian Watson and you can opt to sell Jalen Waddell and upgrade at running back.
11:48Or perhaps you drafted poorly in mid rounds and you drafted well.
11:52And maybe you want to take advantage of downgrading a little bit to guys who are viewed as less than like a
11:58Parker Washington and still be able to get really good value out of him and maybe a little bit more.
12:04I agree. Generally speaking on Waddell, I also think it's worth like when you're looking at the schedule here, it's kind of
12:11the opposite of Garrett Wilson, where the next, you know, month and a half, two months is a pretty difficult schedule defensively.
12:18But then after you after week 12, really. So getting into the end of the fantasy regular season in the fancy playoffs,
12:24that's when you get Miami, the Jets, the Raiders, the Bills across four straight games leading up to week 16.
12:30So I wonder if like, hey, don't don't worry about the roller coaster here for the next several weeks.
12:36Trade him away. Or if you don't have him, don't bother.
12:40But then maybe go try to trade for him after the bye week, something like that, where you are trying to play that game later on.
12:48At the very least, I definitely agree with this.
12:50This next several weeks. I'm not interested in that roller coaster.
12:54And it's I don't have a lot of Jalen Waddell to sell because I, you know, I totally understood like Debra was
13:00very excited about Jalen Waddell in this offense. I totally get it.
13:04He's a good player. It's a good offense. They gave up a lot of draft capital.
13:09I get it. Having said that, we've done this before with John Baton.
13:13Like, I don't need to. This is what we expected.
13:16So, yeah, I am on board with this. Yeah, if you.
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14:00All right, Tara, two more names to get to.
14:03One of them is a drop. Who do you have for us?
14:07Oh, we're going to drop Marvin Harrison Jr. I typically am not one to advise a panic drop early season, but this
14:13is already a player that we were sketched out to begin with.
14:17And there is, sadly, absolutely nothing that should lead us to believe that Marvin Harrison Jr.
14:22Is going to transition into a start worthy asset on this team unless injury happens.
14:26And even then, so it's going to take multiple because it is a sketchy situation for him in particular.
14:32He doesn't look great. Trey McBride is the unquestioned first look in this offense.
14:37So everyone else is just running second fiddle. So you get into these tough matchups, which unfortunately Arizona does have a very tough schedule.
14:44You get into these tough matchups and often it will only be a guy like Trey McBride that is producing.
14:50We're two weeks deep and we've got more than enough evidence to show that Michael Wilson is the wide receiver one.
14:56I do believe that he's transitioned to the wide receiver one.
15:00We saw Arizona in two different game scenarios. So this is quite literally perfect for us to take this little tiny sample
15:06size and try to make sense of it, right?
15:09Two weeks ago, in the first week, he was out snapped and out targeted by Michael Wilson, actually in both games, out
15:16snapped and out targeted by Michael Wilson in both games.
15:19And it's not a dramatic difference, but it's more than enough to make us feel like there is a clear gap.
15:25And we have a clear gap in rankings and a clear gap in trust.
15:30And we've seen it in a positive script for game.
15:33We've seen it in a negative script. And it's just not working out for him.
15:37He is closer to Kendrick Bourne than he is to Michael Wilson.
15:41And there's a gap for Michael Wilson to Trey McBride.
15:44So rolling him out in your starting lineup on a week-to-week basis is just not the most effective way to win your fantasy league.
15:51So again, if you're failing in every single scenario, what can we really trust with you?
15:56If Marvin Harrison Jr. is primarily being used as a field stretcher, and he's too sloppy to take advantage of the opportunities
16:03that he is getting, and he struggles to truly separate, we're at a standstill, and we need to bail out for other options, even in 10-team leagues.
16:11I would drop Marvin Harrison Jr. for a Denzel Boston, just based on pure talent level.
16:16The only saving grace that he potentially has is that after San Francisco, they face the New York Giants and the Detroit.
16:22We know how Detroit is. But if he's burned you three weeks in a row, are you really going to roll him out and take that risk?
16:31Probably not. Are you passing over better assets that are on the waiver wire just so that you can hold Marvin Harrison Jr.
16:38and say, oh, let's start him against Detroit? I'm not ready to say I'm out and putting the nail in the coffin on Marvin Harrison Jr.
16:46as an NFL receiver. I am ready to put the nail in the coffin on his tenure with Arizona.
16:51It's just so clearly not a fit at this point, and it's a shame.
16:56They spent really high draft capital. There was a lot of hype.
16:59It's clearly not working in Arizona. I'd love to see him traded to one of these teams with receiver injuries right now,
17:06like the Ravens or the Texans, I think would be fun just to maybe see if a change of scenery kind of
17:13is a breath of fresh air and kind of gets his career going back in the right direction.
17:18It might not happen. He might just be not that good of a player.
17:22That's obviously very on the table given what we've seen the last couple of years.
17:27But I want to see it outside of Arizona before I'm ready to fully shut the door on everything.
17:33I would love to see a trade of a team trying to buy low on him in real life.
17:39In fantasy, I think it's good to put him here as a drop because people are going to see the name.
17:45They're going to think about the draft ranking. They're going to think about the fact that he was still like, you know,
17:52with the wide receiver 32, something like that in ADP by the end of August.
17:56Like that's, that's the type of guy you at least keep on your bench and you're kind of planting your flag here
18:03that it's not a don't ride this roller coaster.
18:06It's worth letting him go. Per PFF, fewest catchable targets amongst receivers with at least 60 receiving snaps this season.
18:12Isaac Tesla and Marvin Harrison Jr. Have two apiece.
18:15Nobody else is under four. So they have half of what the next lowest of anybody with that many receiving snaps is.
18:21He just got one catch this season. I mean, it's just, it's, it's hard to watch quite frankly.
18:27It is. Yeah. Yeah. Let's go to one last player here.
18:30Tara, who are you shopping? Oh, um, I am shopping and just FYI.
18:34I did not include, uh, Drake London as a pro buy.
18:37We haven't had him on the list last week.
18:40I'm still pro by Drake London, but I just wanted to give other options.
18:44And one of those other options is to shop Chuba Hubbard around.
18:48Let me preface. This is not a, you must sell high on Chuba Hubbard.
18:52Cause I do believe he is the RB one.
18:55Um, it's a shop around to see if a very running back needy team.
18:59And there are some running back needy teams out there who made some choices for their RB too.
19:05Didn't go robust RB. And they're sitting here trying to make it work with very shaky options.
19:10And they're in need of an RB too. Um, and Chuba Hubbard is an RB one.
19:15Jonathan Brooks got injured yet again in no way, shape or form.
19:18Do I believe that AJ Dylan is a threat to Chuba Hubbard?
19:22So while I'm not telling people like to panic on the Jonathan Brooks thing, but at the end of the day, we've,
19:29we, we feel very solidified in the upside that Chuba Hubbard offers.
19:32And now with Brooks walking away with yet another injury, it's just these Knicks, right?
19:37As we continue to get that people will start to feel a little bit more comfortable with valuing Chuba Hubbard for what he actually is.
19:45Because if there was no Jonathan Brooks, it wouldn't be a problem.
19:48We would value him as what he is in an offense that, um, clearly has improved.
19:53Congrats, Bryce Young. They're pushing volume goal line opportunities.
19:56He's catching checkdowns and are catching clear targets at the goal line for receiving touchdowns.
20:00It's just a great setup and it's working for him.
20:04And as people start to let go of the Jonathan Brooks a little bit, they can start to get more comfortable and
20:10actually you can, you know, potentially sell him for good value.
20:14And now was a good time while he is the clear RB one and there's no theoretical threat there.
20:19So you don't have to make this move because he is a very startable asset on a week to week basis that you can trust.
20:27But if you drafted Chuba Hubbard, unless you drafted super early in the summer, more than likely you didn't draft him as your RB two.
20:35So you might have other starters on a week to week basis where you're choosing between them and Chuba Hubbard and you're on a wide receiver and flex.
20:43You're trying to figure out like, okay, what's the real upside?
20:46What am I trying to do? And there's no reason to have him on your bench.
20:51So if you can afford it, capitalize on trying to flip to a position of need.
20:56His value is on the rise. Everyone's starting to feel good about him.
21:00Jonathan Brooks health liability again. Now is a good time to see what kind of value you can get for him.
21:07It's kind of funny if you look at the rest of season rankings at fantasypros.com amongst running backs, and this will continue
21:13to get updated over the next day or two.
21:16It usually changes a bit early in the week.
21:19But as of right now in rest of season consensus rankings, Chuba Hubbard, RB 30, Jonathan Brooks, RB 31.
21:24So they are back to back here. Yeah. For Hubbard specifically, RB 30, does that feel too high, too low, or just right to you?
21:32It's too low. It's too low. I would move him up, but I get it because we do have some shifting assets.
21:39Like, you know, we'll see Travion Henderson move up, right?
21:42And then a Ramondre Stevenson moved down. So you're still, we've got some shifts that are happening here, like a Rico Dowdle
21:49and moving him down with the injuries and whatnot.
21:51So there's adjustments to be made, but I think that's still just a little bit too low for him.
21:57We're still holding on to, and I like Jonathan Brooks, but you know, it was always optimism that he would get on
22:04the field, stay healthy, and have a chance to compete with Chuba Hubbard.
22:08Thus far, it doesn't look like it's happening. So I do think that he should move up in terms of rest of season rankings.
22:15We'll wrap up there. Go out and make these moves ahead of week three.
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