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0:09All right and welcome into the Fantasy Pros Fantasy Football Podcast.
0:12It's just about that time of year when NFL training camps get underway and redrafts start firing up.
0:18Therefore, we've got six discounted players that left kind of a sour taste in manager's mouth a year ago creating a potential bounce back opportunity.
0:26I'm your host Seth Woolcock back with a couple of boys that I'll be seeing in person in just about a week's
0:33time from now in Canton, Ohio for the Fantasy Football Expo.
0:36That's right. It's Pat Fitzmaurice and downtown Derek Brown.
0:39Fitzy, what's the 101 stop in Canton? Anything from the Pro Football Hall of Fame or George's Lounge?
0:45What sticks out to you there as your 101?
0:48Oh, it's George's Lounge. I'm wearing the t-shirt today.
0:50Let's go! Let's go! Let's go! Yeah. You know, although, what's the name of the golf course we play on Friday?
0:57Spring Valley. Spring Valley. Yeah, I mean, who can forget your incredible pitch in for a birdie last year in our scramble event.
1:04So a lot of different places. Hall of Fame is great.
1:08Just looking forward to seeing everyone. Certainly agreed with you.
1:11D-Bro, also looking forward to seeing you as well.
1:14Although, you kind of act like a bit of a grandpa on this trip.
1:18You retire much earlier in the night than Fitzy and I.
1:22You take your chicken tenders, you go back to your room.
1:25And then I don't see you until like afternoon the next day.
1:29You do sleep in. You can't disagree with that one.
1:32Hold up. Let's correct some things to open this freaking show.
1:36I do not go in early. I will absolutely, Fitz can absolutely vouch, we have closed down George's together.
1:42Now, the part about... That's just the pre-party though.
1:45You missed the after party. Now, the part about me sleeping in is absolutely correct.
1:49I am not a morning person. I will not be out there like Fitzy getting breakfast at 7am.
1:55You will not see me out on the golf course unless it's like we go to a driving range and partake of
2:02a few beverages while we're doing it. I'm not walking an 18 hole course.
2:06I'm just not doing that. But just to correct the record here, I am, I'm, I'm not as young as I once
2:13was, but I'm not old, but I will also, also own.
2:17There are a few people on the face of this planet that can party like a Pat Fitzmaurice.
2:23Okay. I just want to throw that out there.
2:25There are a few humans out there that I have seen in my lifetime that can stay up to 3 or 4am
2:32and toss them back with the best of them and get up at 6am or 7am like nothing ever happened and be
2:39like, hey man, you want to go get some eggs and bacon?
2:43What's up? Let's go. And I'm like, no, I'm going back to sleep.
2:47Nope. So shout out to Patty. Yeah. That's why we appreciate him and need his steady guidance here on this particular program.
2:54Of course, we're going to get to those six favorite bounce back candidates coming your way.
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3:19And let's jump right in here. Gentlemen, starting with a player who was pretty doomed from the start, Derek, last year, of
3:26course, having that training camp hold in. Then that turned into a three year, $96 million re-up for this particular player.
3:33Yeah, dude, Tara McLaurin. I mean, his season, all these guys that like have the training camp hold ins.
3:39It's kind of like you're just like, OK, well, when's the injury come and what wrecks your season?
3:45Because it's almost tried and true every single time this happens with contract guys and it happened to McLaurin.
3:51And but it's good, man. Like we're getting a discount on him this year.
3:55Like wide receiver, like a back end wide receiver to an ADP, ECR, best ball ADP, wherever you look at.
4:01And I think it's wrong. I think we get the Terry McLaurin of the previous year where he was wide receiver 14 and fantasy points per game.
4:10I think the bounce back is real. Like what has changed from McLaurin and the outlook of his targets this year?
4:17What what? Like have they added some monster receiver that I'm unaware of?
4:21Chicka Conquo? No. Devo Samuel? Gone. Zach Ertz? Gone.
4:24Antonio Williams? No. So who else are we worried about?
4:27Like who are we really worried about threatening McLaurin's perch at the very top of this target hierarchy?
4:32There's nobody, man. And now we get David Blau coming in without Cliff Kingsbury.
4:37Like Kingsbury has been known for tried and true for years and years.
4:41He's not going to motion guys. He doesn't move them around the formation.
4:45It is static. You play one side, go win your routes and you get targets.
4:50And we could see a career high and that's not insane for Terry McLaurin this year.
4:55And he was freaking fantastic. Like every single per route metric you pull up, he was awesome.
5:00He was fourth and first downs per route run last year, despite with the injury and all the stuff around Washington last year.
5:08Still 13th in yards per route run. I've got McLaurin as a top 15 wide receiver.
5:13And I feel like that's where people should be at because I don't see the downside of McLaurin unless we want to
5:20talk about injuries and what have you. And then it's just like you can make that kind of case for any player in the NFL.
5:28Yeah, it's a great point, Fitzy. Five 1,000 yard seasons for the Ohio State product.
5:32But at the same time, that 2024 season, definitely an outlier because of the touchdowns in particular.
5:38So where do you find McLaurin and where do you find you taking him in drafts if you are at all?
5:44I'm with D-Bro. He's been a pretty easy click for me.
5:48OK. I just think he goes back to where he was with Jaden Daniels.
5:52And maybe that was the difference with his touchdown production in 2024, that he wasn't playing with some of the jabronis he's
5:59had to play with at quarterback in Washington over the years.
6:03So gets Jaden Daniels, immediately has 82 catches, almost 1,100 yards, 13 touchdowns.
6:07And D-Bro, wasn't he top 10 in half-point PPR points per game?
6:11Yeah, he was, man. Yeah. I don't know if he repeats that, but I do think it's going to be another good season.
6:18I think he's a value where he's being drafted.
6:21Yeah, but if he doesn't repeat the 13 touchdowns, so be it.
6:25But we're talking about a guy, to Fitzy's point, had 1,100 receiving yards.
6:29What if he sees a career-high in targets? What if we see Jaden Daniels taking a first step and he's a 1,300-yard
6:36receiver instead of being in that 1,100,000-yard mark year after year?
6:39What if he takes another leap where the volume gets him to that 1,300 mark?
6:44Then, OK, fine. He doesn't need the 13 touchdowns.
6:47Then, cool. We're sniffing 8 to 10 touchdowns? All right.
6:50So be it. Yeah, I haven't drafted him once this season, but I think maybe now you guys are starting to talk me down that direction.
6:58And Fitz, I want to bring up a player next who I feel like we are contractably obligated to talk about him at Fantasy Pros right now.
7:07You're either all the way in or all the way out.
7:10So tell me why you're in on this particular running back.
7:14Yeah, we're going to talk about Bucky Irving, Seth.
7:16And I think I'm the only one anywhere in the fantasy community, it seems like, at least among the analyst community who's all the way in.
7:25And I hope you're going to throw it to Debro for a possible rebuttal after I'm done because I'm going to start
7:32with a premise I think Debro and I might disagree on philosophically.
7:35And I think efficiency stats and a lot of the advanced metrics for running backs are kind of noisy and don't do
7:42a great job of illustrating true talent level. So, like, take yards after contact, for instance.
7:48What is the nature of the contact? Is it a linebacker squaring up a running back in the hole and somehow the running back manages to bounce off?
7:56Like, that would be impressive. Or is it a cornerback just barely getting a piece of a running back as he's hitting a hole at full speed?
8:05And if that run goes for 60 yards, does the running back get credit for 50 or 55 yards after contact?
8:12Like, I heard a fantasy analyst I greatly respect citing Bucky Irving's rushing yards over expected from 2025 as one of the reasons to fade him in 2026.
8:20Bucky was dead last in rushing yards over expected per carry last year among all running backs with at least 100 carries.
8:27That does seem pretty damning. But in 2024, Bucky was sixth in rushing yards over expected per carry.
8:33Now, the Buccaneers offensive line was a well-oiled machine in Bucky's rookie year.
8:37They ranked second in the run blocking metric adjusted line yards.
8:41Last year, the offensive line totally shredded by injuries.
8:44Bucs ranked 22nd in adjusted line yards. I know the intent of rushing yards over expected is to filter out everything but
8:51the ability of a running back to make yardage on his own.
8:54But are we really to believe that the quality of blocking had nothing to do with Bucky acing the rushing yards over
9:01expected per carry metric in 2024 and completely bombing it in 2025?
9:05And also, did I miss some sort of offseason memo that Kenny Gainwell is spectacular?
9:10Like, I don't think I was CC'd on that one.
9:13Like, maybe it's because I used my full name and my email address.
9:17I can loop you into the email thread. Yeah.
9:20Fitzmorris is hard to spell. Is it M-O-R-R-I-S or M-A-U-R-I-C-E?
9:23Eh, the heck with it. I'll just leave him off this email.
9:27So I did miss that memo. So Gainwell averaged 6.7 carries a game for the Steelers last year, and that was a career high.
9:35But Gainwell is a great receiving back, right? Well, Bucky Irving has averaged 1.56 yards per outrun for his NFL career.
9:41Gainwell, 1.19. Bucky had 47 catches as a rookie, even though he was used pretty sparingly early in the season.
9:48Here's an offseason quote from new Bucs, OC Zach Robinson.
9:51Hat tip to Greg from the CoachSpeak Index for this one.
9:54This was when someone brought up Bijan Robinson, who Zach Robinson coached in Atlanta, as part of a question about Bucky.
10:01And Zach Robinson said, I see Bucky in a very similar light with what he can do in the passing game, and
10:08there's not a run concept that he can't run.
10:11So I'm excited to work with Bucky and know that there's a ton of meat on the bone in the passing game.
10:18That's encouraging. I mean, it's fair to worry that Bucky isn't going to get the goal line carries.
10:23That's probably Sean Tucker's domain. Sure. So Bucky's TD ceiling might be a little cap.
10:28That's fine. But he's now getting drafted as a low-end RB2.
10:32And the idea that he's going to be a committee back because of Kenny Gainwell?
10:36I mean, Bucky had a rough 2025 season with injuries of his own, in addition to all those O-line injuries.
10:43He still averaged 20.3 touches per game, and that was with Rashad White playing all 17 games for the Buccaneers.
10:49I think fading Bucky off a disappointing year is a mistake.
10:53I'm still very much in on him. Okay. Okay.
10:55And those are great points. And Kenny Gainwell definitely, I think, surprised the entire fantasy community.
11:00But he certainly was a league winner down the stretch.
11:04My biggest issue, Derek, is I just worry that maybe the efficiency doesn't improve, right?
11:08Because the thing about it is, like, he only faced 3.5% of carries with a stacked front, right?
11:14That's the 48th highest among running backs. I think without Mike Evans in the picture, maybe defenses respect the offense going over the top a little bit less.
11:23And maybe we get more stacked carry fronts. And if you could only do that with, you know, 3.5% of stacked carry
11:30fronts, I worry that that 3.4 yards per carry or that .67 fancy points per opportunity, 60-second best, just does not improve, Derek.
11:37Yeah, I mean, it's a laundry list of concerns with Bucky.
11:41Like, I see the upside case and diving through all of Patty's, like, sage points here is that I think the offensive
11:48line did play a massive part in Bucky Irving's 2025 season because they were a shovel of their former selves 22nd in yards before contact per attempt.
11:56So that definitely is a big, big issue. I think that bounces back.
12:00My questions about Bucky, and I don't do this with all the backs and stuff like that because we've gone to an
12:07NFL where that 200-pound, 210 kind of threshold isn't a detriment to volume and lead back and all that kind of stuff like it used to be.
12:16My worry about Bucky is, at this point, can he stay healthy?
12:20Like, last year, foot sprain, shoulder, AC, joint stuff, you rewind to 2024, he had hip, back, toe, and hamstring issues.
12:26And the way that the toe was always talked about is, oh, he's dealt with that for all of college and stuff,
12:33so maybe that's kind of like a problem for his entire career, just kind of like rewinding to all of that.
12:40So, like, I worry if the size and the volume is the worry, like, with Bucky staying healthy because we have seen
12:47a pretty banged-up version over two seasons now of Bucky Irving.
12:50Now, you know, rookie season, he overcame that, he was stellar, he was freaking awesome.
12:55The other, I guess, kind of pushback, and again, like, this is Zach Robinson.
13:00He knows the guys of, like, what he wants to do and all that kind of stuff better than I do.
13:06But part of the numbers, if Zach Robinson is going to be so heavily invested in outside zone like he was in
13:13Atlanta, which could have been, like, a Michael Penix thing and we could talk about pistol and all that kind of stuff.
13:20Maybe that's different. But Bucky Irving, even in the massive 2024 season, his splits between zone and man-gap concepts were astronomical.
13:27Like, on zone concepts, 3.6 yards per carry. On man-gap, 6.5.
13:30Success rate, 48.2% versus 57.9%. So, those splits notwithstanding, it's just, it's the totality of, like, all the small things with Bucky
13:37Irving that I'm kind of worried about. And the other thing about it is, like, you don't bring Kenny Gainwell in, like,
13:44on the contract to just not use him. I think he's going to play a role in this backfield.
13:50And even if that is just the Rashad White role of last year and the year before.
13:56Okay, well, Rashad White was really freaking good in fantasy when he was in the committee with Bucky Irving.
14:02What if he is better Rashad White? What does that mean for Bucky Irving?
14:06Like, if he takes the Rashad White role and he's better than Rashad White, then is he going to eat into more of Bucky Irving's volume?
14:14Because, again, we're discussing Gainwell. Like, yeah, for the totality of their careers, yeah, Bucky Irving on a per-route basis has been better than Gainwell.
14:22But I'm also not going to shy away from Gainwell, who had 2.10 yards per-route run last year, and he was 14th
14:29in explosive run rate and missed tackle rate. So, like, he was really freaking good across a lot of metrics.
14:35So, it's like, if Bucky Irving, say he does bounce back.
14:39But what if Kenneth Gainwell can be an elevated version of Rashad White, like, offered this offense in previous seasons?
14:45If that's the case, then I think Bucky's going to take a hit.
14:49It's just a question of how much. He averaged 6.7 carries a game last year.
14:54That's all I'm going to say. Like, well, if he's getting six targets a game, I don't freaking care if we're playing PPR, man.
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16:47Would you go Javante or Bucky? Oh, it's Javante.
16:50Easy. It's got to be Javante, I think, just because of the automatic volume.
16:55Yeah. Scadaboo? Scadaboo over Bucky. That's close for me.
16:57It's close. Okay, last one. Quinshon Judkins. Bucky. Easily.
17:00I'll take Bucky. I've got an interesting one because I don't feel like everybody's pricing in the downside of Travis H.
17:07And like Alvin Kamara is still there. He's going to play passing downs.
17:11Mike, what are we missing? Why? Why? I'll take H.
17:14And ETN, whatever you want to call him. What about you, Pat?
17:18I lean Bucky. Okay. All right. So good conversation there.
17:21We talked a little bit about Mike Evans and what the difference in him no longer being in Tampa Bay might do for Bucky Irving.
17:29Debro, you think maybe his presence out there on the West Coast could help one of his running mates?
17:35So if I just take the name away and I tell you amongst 109 qualifying wide receivers last year, this wide receiver, this is where he ranked.
17:4423rd in yards per route run. 3rd in route win rate.
17:478th in separation score. 24th in 24th in 24th.
17:50He was 20th in yards per route run versus man coverage.
17:536th in route win rate versus man coverage. And he was also top 3 in separation and route win rate versus zone coverage.
18:01So every single metric that we should care about, he was either top 24 or he was elite at.
18:07And then people want to say, yeah, but I'm really not into Ricky Pierce all this year.
18:12Okay. Somebody needs to make me a really good case for it because the talent is there.
18:18If he could stay healthy, if he doesn't get freaking shot, then I think he has his breakout season this year.
18:24And Dejan Stripling, like, no, I'm not worried about him.
18:27Kyle Shanahan has historically, what has Kyle Shanahan done to rookies historically?
18:31Has he really invested them or has he shoved them in the doghouse and they got to earn their way up the depth chart?
18:39Okay. Everybody knows the answer to that. Christian Kirk couldn't even earn targets in Houston last year.
18:44And we don't even know what version. Can he stay on the field right now?
18:49And then we go back to the Mike Evans conversation.
18:52I'm in on Mike Evans as well this year.
18:55But can Mike Evans stay on the field? And if he doesn't, if he misses any time, there's contingent upside for Ricky Pierce all.
19:03But yet Ricky Pierce all, everybody's kind of out on him.
19:06Oh, and by the way, when he was on the field last year in four of the nine games that he did
19:13play while dealing with a PCL sprain, he was a top 24 wide receiver and weekly scoring.
19:18But yeah, let's not worry about Ricky Pierce all, you know, let's not invest in him.
19:23Everybody's gotten burned too much. And I think that that is the source of where people were getting value on Ricky Pierce
19:30all as people have been like, I was in, I was in.
19:34I can't be in again, right? Guilty. Okay. Well, why?
19:37Fitz, are you in at wide receiver 44, 102 overall?
19:41Because I'm like Derek, I've kind of been the guy for two years now pounding the table for this guy.
19:47And we just haven't seen it, whether it's injuries, whether it's the gunshot, one thing or another has led this guy to not being a fancy difference maker.
19:56Is 2026 the year? I think it will be.
19:59Just has to stay healthy. The shooting in his rookie year, the PCL injury last year, like this, this guy's an ultra athletic former first round pick.
20:07And we have seen the flashes, 14 catches for 210 yards and two touchdowns in the 49ers last two regular season games his rookie year.
20:15Last year, over 100 yards, two of his first three games, then the PCL injury.
20:20Kind of slow once he got back. But then end of the season flashes again, 11 catches, 181 yards in the last two regular season games he played.
20:29So I know Mike Evans is expected to be the target leader there.
20:33But, you know, Evans has had trouble staying healthy himself recently.
20:36So I do think there are going to be chances for Pierce.
20:40So I think he's a good player. And I'm very much in this year.
20:45I also want to throw out there, there were two 49ers inside the top 10 red zone targets in the NFL.
20:51One of those guys isn't there anymore, Juwan Jennings.
20:54Mike Evans is going to get his. Who else is taking the other spot?
20:58We know. Yeah. We know like it's probably not going to be George Kittle to start the year.
21:04And even if it is, he's going to be coming back slow.
21:08So definitely missing potentially one of their red zone targets right off the rip there that maybe creates some opportunity for Ricky Pearsall.
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21:49Speaking of giveaways fits. Leagues are pretty much giving away your next favorite bounce back candidate for absolutely free.
21:55Xavier Worthy, ECR and ADP of wide receiver 49.
21:58Crazy. And Worthy was a first-round pick in 2024, a blazing fast receiver with a 4.21 40 time chosen to play with Patrick Mahomes.
22:05And Worthy had a really nice run as a rookie after Rasheed Rice tore up his knee from week 11 through the Super Bowl.
22:13That's a 10-game stretch. And I'm leaving out week 18 when all the Chiefs starters sat.
22:18Worthy averaged 5.8 catches, 67.9 receiving yards a game with six touchdowns over those 10 games.
22:23So that's basically a 17-game pace of about 1,150 yards and 10 touchdowns.
22:27And last season, opening game against the Chargers for the Chiefs.
22:31Worthy runs a crossing route very early in that game.
22:34Collides with Travis Kelsey. Dislocates the shoulder. Only missed a couple of games, but it seemed like he wasn't himself after he came back.
22:41And I think Andy Reid has even said that the injury kept him from using Xavier Worthy in some of the ways
22:48he would have liked to once Worthy was back.
22:51So no question Rice should be the Chiefs' projected target leader, although we'll see whether Rice manages to play a full 17
22:58games since he's played 12 the last two seasons.
23:01Travis Kelsey is going to get his share of targets too.
23:05But the Chiefs didn't make any major additions at wide receiver otherwise.
23:08And with Worthy's big playability, he doesn't need to catch 80 balls to be a useful fantasy starter.
23:14So I'm kind of back in. I think he's a good value this year.
23:18Yeah, I completely agree with you. He's someone really since early best balls I've been targeting, Derek, because even though it was
23:25a disappointing season, like yards per game, catch rate, yards per target, all very similar to that 2024 run where Fitz mentioned it.
23:33After Rasheed Rice went down, he was arguably a league winner, at least a league difference maker.
23:38I just think they didn't know how to play him last year.
23:42Maybe one more year, a new play caller with Eric B coming back in town changes things.
23:47Maybe, man. I don't know. I was out on Worthy last year.
23:51I'm out on him again this year. Really? Yeah.
23:54The fact that what's concerning about Worthy for me is his separation scores haven't been amazing.
23:59He's got win rates of 9.2% and 10.3% over the last two years.
24:03I know injuries in the shoulder and some other things have kind of hurt that.
24:08But I struggle to see if Rasheed Rice is out there, Travis Kelsey is out there.
24:13Tyquan Thornton was their deep ball guy. What is the role that Worthy plays in the Chiefs offense this year?
24:19He doesn't have the size to be the high volume underneath route.
24:23Say if Rasheed Rice even misses time there. It's like when he had that stretch of games in 2024, it was because
24:30they kind of shoved him into the Rasheed Rice role.
24:33Right. But then it's like, do we really want that for a player of his size?
24:38I mean, we just talked about it. Like, he got rocked and hurt his shoulder and was never the same.
24:45It's like that high volume role in the underneath over the middle in the yak role.
24:50Like, do we really want him in that role?
24:53Like, is he going to stay healthy in a role like that?
24:56Well, no clue. Yeah. So if Rice is out there, he's not playing that role because that's what Rasheed Rice does.
25:03Well, Tyquan Thornton was the deep threat and he's back.
25:06So I'm like, I just struggle to see. I can understand.
25:10What is the role that we were high on for Xavier Worthy?
25:13It's like, well, he's not playing the deep role.
25:16He's not playing the underneath role. He's not beating man coverage.
25:20That's where I struggled. Like, what is the role where he becomes like a 20% target share guy?
25:25I just struggle to see it, I guess. And Eric Biennemi, we trust at least what Fitz and I think there.
25:32Derek, you won't quite be in Pennsylvania next week, but that isn't stopping you from potentially pandering to some Eagles fans with
25:39your next favorite draft steal, who certainly disappointed in 2025.
25:42Yeah, he disappointed. I mean, versus expectations, ADP, it's Jalen Hurts, man.
25:46He's QB7 and basically like all ADP that you'll look at right now.
25:50And I think we're just getting a buying opportunity.
25:53Like the entire consensus is all about like, Jalen Hurts is going into a new offense.
25:58We don't know if he's going to adjust to it.
26:01Mm-hmm. So how many times has Hurts defied expectations?
26:04Like we go back to his collegiate career. He improved as a pastor every single year in college.
26:10I could pull up any amount of numbers that show this and display this.
26:14He gets the run as a rookie and then he goes into his second season as a starter and everybody's like, man,
26:21we just don't know if this guy can even throw the dang ball.
26:25We don't even know if he's going to be the answer for the Philadelphia Eagles short and long term.
26:31Oh, wait, he goes out and he crushes. He gets the massive contract, continues to crush.
26:36He goes to a Super Bowl, plays lights out, they lose.
26:40He goes to another Super Bowl, plays lights out, and he gets the damn MVP.
26:45And then at this point of multiple years of bad offensive coordinator like Brian Johnson, there's a reason you don't see him
26:52as an OC right now in the NFL. Kevin Petulo, there's a reason you don't see him as an OC in the NFL.
26:59I know he's a past game coordinator, but he's not calling plays for any freaking team.
27:04There are reasons for that. Because they both ran like bastardized versions of Shane Steikin's offense previously, and they kept just kind
27:11of running back the wheel because of like, oh, well, Hurts likes this and we got the guys to do it, so why not?
27:19And they lived off of explicit plays. What if yet again, Jalen Hurts takes another step in his career?
27:25Because he can't access the middle of the field.
27:27He's not like T-Tiny Peewee size like Kyler Murray, and he can't actually see the middle of the field.
27:33Now they have players that like, Makai Lemon could hit the ground running.
27:38Eli Stowers is going to be a chess piece for them.
27:41Dallas Goddard is back. Like everybody in the market is playing like, Jalen Hurts cannot bounce back.
27:46What if all the risk? But here's the thing.
27:49What if it hits? What if we see like, and I'm not going to put Sean Mannion in the same type of
27:56air and tier and area code as like, a Liam Cohen because we just don't know, but you don't see that type of trepidation.
28:04Like everybody's so worried about what Sean Mannion and Jalen Hurts are going to do together.
28:09Do we see that type of like hesitation and worry with the market with Declan Doyle and Lamar Jackson?
28:15Oh no, because he's coming from Ben Johnson and da, da, da, da.
28:19We're not going to sit in general. Lamar Jackson is freaking QB too.
28:23Although he's coming off. One of the worst stretches of his entire career where he didn't even produce as a QB one
28:30in fantasy over multiple, multiple, multiple weeks. But it's like, oh, but we're so worried about Jalen Hurts, but we have no questions about Lamar Jackson.
28:38That's where it's like, fine. I'll buy the dip on Jalen Hurts all freaking day.
28:43The rushing bounces back and we see the best quarterback play out of Jalen Hurts in a brand new offense that is
28:50better for this version of the NFL. Okay. Yeah, I'm in.
28:54Fitz, I've been trying to not draft any quarterbacks early, but Jalen Hurts continues to fall to me in my draft.
29:00So I have a lot of exposure to him right now.
29:04That being said, though, maybe things are a little clunky to be in the season with the new offensive coordinator.
29:10Overall, though, I am in here at 60 overall in the ECR QB six.
29:14What about yourself? The last few years, we've seen people really aggressively draft Hurts.
29:19Yeah, I'm not really in favor of aggressively drafting Hurts.
29:22But if he is falling and you are going to get a discount, which we do see sometimes this year in drafts, I'm okay with that.
29:30I mean, he's just got to get the rushing numbers back up after being over 600 rushing yards the previous two seasons and last year down at 421.
29:39A run of double digit rushing touchdowns. Then last year, he's at eight.
29:43So that kind of torpedoed it a little because the passing numbers weren't special.
29:48And I don't think we're ever going to get special passing numbers out of Jalen Hurts.
29:53He's just not that guy. Competent passer. But I don't think they want him to be a high volume passer.
29:59He's just not going to run a Dak Prescott type of show in Philadelphia.
30:04So I'm okay with that. And, you know, hopefully more tush pushes if you draft Jalen Hurts and fewer Dallas Goddard shovel passes near the goal line.
30:12Because Goddard had six of those six times he scored on shovel passes inside at the five yard line or closer last year.
30:19That kind of replaced the tush push in some ways.
30:23Yeah. And Fitz, round us out here. You often, I feel like, late night at the Expo at George's when the bar gets a little smoky.
30:31I see you over in the corner just like absolutely going to bat for a different tight end every single year.
30:37You find yourselves in these types of conversations. So who's the big man you're going to battle for this season?
30:44Well, I mean, I want Brock Bowers or Colston Loveland.
30:47But if I punt tight end, which there's a chance I might, it's going to be Mark Andrews.
30:53And there is a chance Mark Andrews is cooked.
30:56We should probably acknowledge that. His numbers last year are bad.
30:5948 catches, 422 yards, five touchdowns, 8.8 yards per catch, 6.0 yards per target, 1.23 yards per outrun.
31:05Some really rough numbers. But we know the Ravens passing game had a lot of problems last year with Lamar Jackson missing
31:12time and not being fully healthy for a lot of the games he played.
31:16Ravens still don't look great at wide receiver after Zay Flowers.
31:20They still have Rashad Bateman. They drafted Elijah Surratt and Jacoby Lane.
31:23None of those guys are really expected to be prominent target earners.
31:27Now, we don't know exactly what the Ravens offense is going to look like with Declan Doyle as the new play caller.
31:34But in Lamar Jackson, seven full seasons as the starter.
31:37Here's where the Ravens tight ends have ranked in percentage of team targets.
31:41First, fifth, first, first, tenth, fourth, and fourth. And now Isaiah likely is gone.
31:46Again, this is going to get the lion's share of those tight end targets.
31:50The Ravens signed Durham Smythe. He's a blocker. They drafted Matthew Hibner.
31:54He's intriguing, but his college stats at SMU weren't all that exciting.
31:58I mean, Andrews' ADP is tight end 14. I think he's the best punt option at tight end.
32:04And if it turns out he's washed, you just cut him early in the season, pick up a hot tight end on waivers.
32:11But if Andrews isn't washed, he might have sneaky mid-range tight end one upside given the track record he has in the
32:18tight end production we've seen in Baltimore during the Lamar Jackson era.
32:22Hard to argue with that, Derek. It is, man.
32:25And I wrote up Mark Andrews in my Perfect Draft article, and I'm with Fitzy on that.
32:30You're not paying for the downside of Mark Andrews where he's going in drafts.
32:34What you're getting is just a free swing at upside.
32:38Like he had been previously, yeah. Yeah. And it's like, if he is over the age curve and all this stuff has caught up to him, then fine.
32:46But you're not paying for any of that. Like, and the thing that Fitzy kind of brings up too is that like, look, Isaiah likely is gone.
32:55Like, I just want to see Mark Andrews the full-time player again.
32:59He was 22nd in route share last year. Like he only had a route on 62.9% of dropbacks.
33:04Right. Like that number of like, we have to like believe like that number comes up this year.
33:10It's just a question of how much. But if he gets back into that like 80% range, again, we always talk about
33:17volume is king and people like, well, volume and targets and stuff like that.
33:22But routes too, like Trey McBride, another reason like why he just crushed and decimated everybody is because the dude ran 160
33:29more routes than everybody else amongst tight ends last year.
33:32So if Andrews gets back to being a full-time player, then I think he definitely can.
33:37And if you look at the deeper metrics with Andrews, so I was pulling this up as Patty was talking amongst 40
33:44qualifying tight ends, Andrews 11th in separation score, 6th in route win rate.
33:48Those paint the pretty nice picture that Mark Andrews is not really dust.
33:52Wow. You got to love it. The old veterans hanging on just like us folks.
33:57And that's going to do it for us right here on this episode of the fancy pros, fancy football podcast.
34:03Let us know down below in the comments, your favorite bounce back candidates that you're drafting at a discount this year.
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