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0:04I'm Ryan Warmly, joined as I am every Monday by Tara Roberts.
0:07We are talking some moves to make, this time ahead of Week 4, almost a month into the season, hard to believe.
0:14Reminder for everybody that all of our consensus rankings each week and the tiers can be found at FantasyPros.com.
0:20Slash rankings, you can also check out our consensus rest of season overall rankings.
0:24Those get updated throughout the week, but there are a few of those in there already here as of Monday morning, so
0:30I'll be referencing some of those throughout the episode here.
0:33You've got five moves for us, Tara. Where do you want to start?
0:37Let's start off happy, right? We're going to buy, we're going to go shopping, we're going to buy Parker Washington.
0:43It doesn't have to be a sad buy-low. It can just be buy because maybe you need to do this before it becomes too expensive to get in.
0:52Last week we talked about buying Garrett Wilson before he goes off and what happened?
0:56Yep, went off. Now this is not 100% the exact same situation because I do think we still have some time before
1:03the true go-off scenario happens because we're still in the realm of tough matchups for Jacksonville, but I wanted to go ahead
1:09and just get ahead of this one so that we can start making moves because this is a good time to buy in on Parker Washington.
1:17Not a buy low, but rather just buy before the schedule opens up and we get that aggressive uptick in volume.
1:23We knew the Jags had a sketchy season to start, a sketchy start to the season on their way with Cleveland, Denver,
1:30New England, up Cincinnati next, Philadelphia, Houston, and then their bye week.
1:34After that, everything opens up for the most part with the exception of like a second matchup against Houston.
1:39And thus far, we have yet to see Trevor Lawrence exceed 29 pass attempts.
1:44He is maxed out at 245 pass yards in week one.
1:47So there is more volume to come. And also they've been in lopsided matchups one way or the other blowouts.
1:53So him being effective with touchdowns has really kept this ship alive from a fantasy perspective in terms of the pass game.
1:59And in less than ideal passing scenarios, we have seen Parker Washington with solid performances from a fantasy perspective, but no slate breaking performances.
2:07And if you're on fantasy football Twitter, obviously you've seen the hype, but your league mates might not be seeing the same
2:13hype that we see online every single time that Parker Washington makes a miraculous catch.
2:18So with Jacoby Myers having a nice little breakthrough game as well, this is a good time to buy in on Parker Washington.
2:25And I don't think we've seen the ceiling yet.
2:27And you want him for what is going to happen when Trevor Lawrence can really open things up.
2:33I'm really glad you mentioned him. And it's a great shout because when you first put his name into the show plan
2:39for today, my initial thought was, okay, so we're doing like a real buy high as opposed to a buy low, which
2:46I really like doing because I think that's often the more important skill.
2:50And it's sort of easier to identify a buy low.
2:53It's identifying the right people to buy high on or sell low on.
2:57Conversely, I think he's really smart. But then I went to look at his game log and just kind of, you know,
3:03get his stats in front of me. And it's like, okay, like he's definitely been good and has been getting fun usage
3:10and he scored double digit fantasy points in all three games.
3:13But it hasn't been that mega star breakout from strictly looking at the fantasy points.
3:18And I think that I need to sort of step back and remind myself that the people I talk to every day
3:24in the industry that I'm in isn't the reflective of every league out there.
3:29And so for me, it's like, oh, yeah, Parker Washington is a star.
3:32We all talked about him all summer. He's clearly very good.
3:36Just like said it. Forget it. This guy's amazing.
3:38Like I did a show with Erickson. I think he's in Washington is his wide receiver eight rest of season, I want to say.
3:46And then but then I step back and I have to remind myself like a lot of the people in a lot
3:52of the leagues that I might play in that aren't industry leagues.
3:56It might not be that apparent and that obvious that this, you know, superstar breakout is here.
4:01He was wide receiver 12 in the consensus rest of season rankings.
4:05Even that feels a little low to me based on my expectations.
4:08And like Nico Collins is ahead of him. I don't know what's going to happen, like how long that hamstring stuff is going to linger.
4:16Zay Flowers obviously has looked really good. He's only played like a game and a half this season.
4:21You know, Puka is ahead of him. Like this, you know, groin hip stuff has been confusing.
4:26So like I think there's a real case where something like wide receiver eight or nine does make a lot of sense.
4:33He's not being valued that way in the consensus rankings.
4:36I don't think he's valued that way in more casual sounds, you know, like I'm being dismissive.
4:41But those sorts of leagues where people aren't as hardcore into it and paying that close attention and on fantasy football Twitter
4:48and all that stuff that we are. So I think it's a great shout because I'm not even he's a buy high,
4:54but I don't think he's like a buy super high.
4:57I don't think he's a you have to give up the farm for him.
5:01I think you have to pay up and give give appropriate market value.
5:05But I fully endorse doing that. And I think you're totally right.
5:09It's only going to get better from here. So, yeah, that's a very long winded way of me saying like, I think
5:15this is spot on and I'm glad you picked him.
5:18Love it. Love it. Let's go to the next one here.
5:22Who's the next player to buy? The next one is definitely a buy low.
5:26It is going to be a buy low on Malik neighbors.
5:29This is not an endorsement of J.J. McCarthy in any way, shape or form.
5:33Of course, when I do this, I like to, you know, get ahead and I make these decisions on Sundays.
5:39So my decision to buy low on Malik neighbors happened before the J.J.
5:43McCarthy trade. But if anything, that probably helps lower the cost here.
5:47Looking at Jameis Winston, though, last week was a bad look for Jameis.
5:51The week before was a bad look for Jameis as well.
5:54But I can give excuses as to why he looked bad.
5:57In week two, you're coming in cold against an angry Rams defense that obviously got embarrassed in Australia.
6:03And that was the true version that we saw against the Giants of the Rams defense at its peak form.
6:09Then they had Tennessee, obviously a layup matchup, but a weather issue in that game.
6:13So when we're looking at what Jameis has done, you can make the excuses for why this has been subpar in a rather conservative pass volume.
6:21And that they haven't really had a true lighted up scenario.
6:24Jameis, you know, you could say what you want, but it's not as if it was drastically low completion percentages for him.
6:31Yardage is the issue. And obviously, when we look at the upcoming schedule, that's when things start to get very interesting.
6:37The upcoming schedule is Arizona, Washington and New Orleans.
6:40I find it hard to believe that the plan is to immediately throw J.J.
6:44McCarthy into play a player who has not played a full NFL season in a new system to start, has not been
6:51able to gain the rapport with any of his weapons.
6:54So this is brand new. I do not think in any way, shape or form they're going to throw him out here
7:00immediately unless something goes completely sideways with Jameis Winston.
7:03We've got to remember Jackson Dart is done for the season, right?
7:07So this is not just a play for right now.
7:10This is a play for long term. So they've got to give him some time to adjust.
7:15And the main remaining schedule, if they do have to make that flip to J.J.
7:19McCarthy starting, the remaining schedule is overall average. No real issue.
7:23The playoff schedule is overall friendly. Jameis can get hot and the number one target is very clearly Malik neighbors or perhaps
7:29Harbaugh might have the Harbaugh's in general. Maybe that's the secret sauce.
7:33This Harbaugh's for J.J. McCarthy will bring him to success.
7:36Fantasy managers, because of the situation, the ambiguity with the quarterback situation might be willing to just part ways at a very
7:42low price because they're scared and they just want to get out.
7:46At the end of the day, Malik neighbors is the number one target in this offense.
7:51That is not a question. I like Isaiah likely, but the wide receiver with the most upside here is very clearly neighbors.
7:57So you're buying low into a, you know, ambiguous situation.
8:00But if you don't have to spend that much, that's okay.
8:04Do you have any examples of what you think you would maybe need to spend to get somebody like neighbors?
8:10It's so tricky because he's so talented. He had the injury stuff.
8:13Nobody really knows what to make of the quarterback situation right now.
8:17I think like you, like you said, the, the reputation of this quarterback room is largely quite negative right now.
8:23So there is that ambiguity. What do you think is an appropriate price to go trade for neighbors at the moment?
8:29So I think we are in a running back crisis right now.
8:33So if you drafted well at running back, you are solid and perhaps you have a, um, and this is, this will sound crazy, right?
8:40Uh, but again, you got to remember there are a wide variety of leagues and people that are desperate at running backs.
8:47So I think you could shoot as crazy as trying to upsell a Jalen Warren, or perhaps your league, you need something of actual value.
8:54Maybe you don't need a Chuba Hubbard in your starting lineup and you go sell a Chuba Hubbard, perhaps a David Montgomery as well.
9:02So I think tilting a running back and trying to pursue that high end, high target volume for Malik neighbors could be a good route.
9:09If you've got the running backs to spare. Just quickly on the giants too.
9:13Do you think that McCarthy is going like we were talking on the tailgate earlier, actually when this news broke and we
9:20were trying to pinpoint when we thought he would start.
9:23We kind of thought week five against the commanders.
9:26He's played well against them before when he was Minnesota, obviously not that he had many very good games, but that was one of them.
9:33We kind of looked at that as maybe when he would start not quite this week, but sorry, next week.
9:39If that's the case, do you see him like basically starting the rest of the season?
9:44Or do you think this will be like, Hey, it's a couple of games to, you know, sort of audition.
9:50And then we'll see from there. Maybe it goes back to James.
9:54Maybe it's something else. Do you think this will kind of be his starting job this year and see, Hey, like giants.
10:00If he's bad, we get a high pick. And if he's good, then awesome.
10:04We can trade him. What do you think? I think it's a back and forth because obviously they're optimistic and they're probably
10:11looking within their division and saying, okay, we've got the leeway.
10:14If we can get this ship somewhat on track to push within our own division, because there's a lot of question marks
10:21right around like, you know, literally everybody, but except one team.
10:24So perhaps if we can get our defense strong, push forward and just right, you know, keep this, the ship steady, then maybe we can be competitive.
10:32So I think there won't be this long-term dedication to, we have to make it work with JJ McCarthy.
10:38I think you give it a go. If Jamis comes out and lays another egg against Arizona, because that should be a much more friendlier matchup, right?
10:46They have dealing with injuries and their secondary as well.
10:49So if he comes out in Arizona and does well, you know, hey, we're going to keep him maybe through the bye week.
10:56We give JJ some extra time. They've got, you know, a Houston on the schedule coming up.
11:01So maybe you hold until there's a little bit easier.
11:04Or if Jamis comes out, yeah, you could see him as early as Washington, but I don't think there's going to be any loyalty.
11:11You could see it back and forth. I think you have one more player to buy, Tara.
11:16I do. I have a bye on Josh Downs.
11:19See, we're doing the happy buys this time. I think there is still value here, despite the ample amount of targets that
11:26are going his way because of the perception of the Colts.
11:29It always helps. And the perception of Daniel Jones.
11:32You get a nice little Daniel Jones discount in there because he's been rather mediocre up to this point.
11:37We can acknowledge that. It's not as if he's thriving.
11:40Clearly not a whole ton of running. But hey, the offense has to push forward and it pushes forward with him at
11:47the helm with the combination of Jonathan Taylor. They just got their first win and it has to push forward because they've got a defensive issue.
11:55The defense is struggling. So there is volume to be had here.
11:58The price is reasonable for Downs because of those issues that you have with the teams.
12:03And he is the foreseeable wide receiver. He's the wide receiver one for the foreseeable future, which quite frankly might be the entire season.
12:10We don't know what is going to happen ultimately with the Alex Pierce, Alex Pierce injury.
12:15This is something that is a recurring issue. You already had surgery.
12:19So is, are you going to try and play through it?
12:22Are you going to work through it? If this team is a clear loser and they're struggling and they continue to lose
12:29games and this is just a defunct season and they have to rethink everything because all the moves they made just didn't quite work.
12:36At what point do we really see him? So it's possible that Downs is the first look in this offense moving forward.
12:43Uh, he has had a subpar week one. Obviously Daniel Jones was getting back into it, but the past two weeks have
12:49been high target games with nine targets, 11 targets resulting in just over 70 yards in each game.
12:55So very nice volume, but no real like massive breakout.
12:58So when you're looking at it from just a fantasy perspective, not the actual game.
13:02So he's a guy that is essentially producing very high floor games against two very tough secondaries in Kansas City and Houston
13:09for all the issues that Houston has had. It's still a difficult matchup.
13:13So for him to come out and produce like this in terms of the targets and the receptions.
13:18Wonderful. The schedule is going to open up. It's going to provide more opportunities for ceiling games and then we can buy
13:25him now before the true upside actually hits. Where is he ranked for your rest of season?
13:30He is wide receiver 32 in the early consensus after this week.
13:33For me, he is wide receiver 30. Okay. Wide receiver 30.
13:37All right. Yeah, that makes sense. He's always just been a player that I've liked.
13:41So I have to find myself not being overly enthusiastic about him because I'm like, oh, am I just biased because I
13:48just want to see him do well because I've always liked him.
13:51So I'm hoping that there's a real breakout to come this season for fantasy.
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14:21Yeah, let's get to the sells. They're not as fun as the buys.
14:25We're going to sell on Aaron Jones. Hear me out on the sells because they always, you know, they get people going,
14:32but I just don't see how this man physically holds up with the workload demand that they are putting on him for the past two weeks.
14:40He has been on the field upwards of 80 percent of snaps.
14:43He is a 31 year old running back. Love him.
14:46He's a former Packers fan. So I love him.
14:49But he's a 31 year old running back who has not been used traditionally in this capacity.
14:54He is coming off a season where he had 150 touches played 12 games.
14:58None of them went over a 71 percent snap count.
15:01That was a high, high moment for him. Ideally, they want this to be a split backfield.
15:06Right. But they can't unfortunately here with the injury and you can't predict injuries for players.
15:11Right. But you can hedge your bets. And you were selling high on a guy that you probably did not intend to
15:18be your RB one anyway, who physically cannot handle the level of workload that is being asked of him.
15:23And still has a running back that is lurking on IR that will return in the near future.
15:29So, yeah, selling Aaron Jones is a valid move.
15:32And again, we've just had so many unfortunate injuries at running back.
15:35This is now the time to try and make a move on those guys.
15:39And if you've got these guys that you, you know, hey, you can start them because they're adding value to your fantasy
15:46lineup, but you don't necessarily need them. Make a move and pivot to another position of need for you to better your roster.
15:53Jordan Mason had 15 carries in a touchdown in week one.
15:56This was never meant to be a sole Aaron Jones backfield.
15:59And unfortunately, he's just the only back on roster that they can trust right now.
16:04So we're inching closer and closer to a bye week and Jordan Mason's return.
16:08You could argue like, hey, the upcoming matchups, you've got some good ones.
16:12Miami, right? And then, you know, hey, Miami and then sell high.
16:16But again, you're getting closer to the bye week.
16:18So how much value are you going to be able to dangle out there as a little carrot?
16:24It's fine. I was going to say like on the one hand, I'm like, maybe you wait until after the Miami game, try and get one more big.
16:32Like I because I you'd have to imagine he'll probably have a big game against Miami.
16:37But on the other hand, that could maybe be the piece that helps you trade him is hey, I'm going to give him to you.
16:44And if you give me something a little better in return, you'll even give you the Miami week with him and give him to you now.
16:52And so that I could see kind of going both ways in terms of maybe you wait a week to sell or
16:59you say, hey, like if you're the other managers in your league are sharp and kind of are paying attention to stuff like that.
17:06Say, all right, listen, like you want the Dolphins week?
17:09I'll give it to you. But you got to pay up for it if you're desperate.
17:14So I think that's a good one, too. One more player here, Tara.
17:18We're going to also try to sell high on Jalen Warren, another player that has come into a hefty workload due to injury.
17:25And I know the rebuttal for this one. Obviously, there's multiple rebuttals that you can make like, you know, hey, if Rico Dowdle's injury is serious, right?
17:33Because we don't know. Maybe it's a little bit more serious.
17:36Like we have more of a realistic thought process in terms of timeline for Jordan Mason.
17:41But with Rico Dowdle, there's probably a little bit of ambiguity there.
17:44So what if you sell off Jalen Warren and this injury continues for Dowdle and Jalen Warren becomes an unquestioned RB1 on a weekly basis?
17:52And then also you could rebut that, hey, no one's going to buy Jalen Warren based off one performance.
17:58Again, running backs are dropping like flies. So if you're going to make a move, now is the time to do it.
18:04And you likely didn't draft Warren to be your RB2.
18:07And if you did, then this doesn't apply to you.
18:10But if you have depth at running back and you need help at another position, you can absolutely shop him around and
18:17put your team in a better position to succeed.
18:20Because there are buyers out there. There are people that are willing to risk a Jalen Warren performance.
18:25And maybe they think that Aaron Rodgers is finally coming around and this is a good version.
18:30And, you know, hey, upcoming schedule overall. Maybe it's not so bad.
18:34So, yeah, there's a legitimate reason. And I would rather sell high on Jalen Warren in the hopes that this high functionality
18:40that we are seeing out of the Steelers offense is not actually what is going to be moving forward.
18:46And this, again, it is not a desperation move.
18:49You don't absolutely have to do it because the schedule ahead isn't really daunting.
18:53But it's an opportunity for you to get ahead at another position.
18:57He is two spots in consensus rest of season rankings ahead of Jadarian Price.
19:01Would you trade Warren for Price and just take an upside swing on that?
19:05Or does that make you too nervous? That makes me too nervous.
19:09I couldn't do it just because at least with Warren, he has the trust of his team.
19:14So I could argue, you know, hey, if Dowdle goes, maybe he comes back this week and then he goes down in a month.
19:21And again, I have the same upside of all the carries to Jalen Warren.
19:25But we have seen that Jadarian Price doesn't technically have that upside.
19:29So I love him and the talent, the fumbles and just I don't think it's right.
19:33But sadly, I don't know if we should trade into that situation where they are fighting to the nail not to play.
19:40On the other hand, maybe Mike McDonald learned like, oh, sitting him for having a fumble is a bad thing because we lost the game.
19:48Not having an explosive running back on the field.
19:50What about on the other side? So Jalen Warren, RB23, consensus.
19:54Price is to RB25. Right ahead of Jalen Warren is Travion Henderson at RB22.
19:58Is that a tree you'd be interested in? And that's a roller coaster, but there's obviously like a degree of talent there.
20:04And, you know, the schedule lightens up a lot.
20:07And you would think Drake May would eventually start playing a little bit better.
20:11You would think? I don't know. Fingers crossed. But I'm with you 100% that I'd rather trade out to a better talent
20:18opportunity because I know when 20 touches goes his way, I know exactly what he can do.
20:23So, yeah, for sure. 100%. I would make that trade out.
20:26We'll go ahead and wrap things up there right at the 20-minute mark.
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