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0:13It's 2 p.m. Eastern, which means it is time for another Fantasy Pros Best Ball Show with myself, Tom Strachan, and Andrew Erickson.
0:20Tonight, we are going to... Today. Tonight for me, today for Andrew, we're going to be diving into the FFPC $5 Triflex.
0:27This one is a really fun format and we're going to get to all that in a little bit.
0:33We're just waiting on the room to fill, so if you are joining us and you fancy putting five of your hard-earned dollars on the line, get involved.
0:42You can find the league ID just over there on the right-hand side.
0:46Sales popped into the chat. $5 Triflex Best Ball, sit and go.
0:50Hashtag 117327. Andrew, how are you doing? I'm doing absolutely fantastic.
0:53Today is the start of the Scott Fish Bowl slow drafts.
0:57I think across the board, I love your shirt, SFB16.
1:00I am rocking my SFB15 shirt from last year from the Boston draft.
1:04Very nice. So, my shipping clearly isn't as fast as it is over in the UK because you got your shirt today as the drafts are kicking off.
1:13I am curious, Tom, did you make your draft pick yet?
1:17Are you in one of these slow rooms where you're still like the guy's still sitting at the 101 potentially trying to make their pick?
1:25Or are you zooming through and, oh, we're already in round five, round six.
1:29What's your Scott Fish Bowl roster looking like so far?
1:32So, I am in the Zelda Ocarina of Time division.
1:35Greatest game ever made, so it was a clear choice for me.
1:39And I think this is my sixth year in the Scott Fish Bowl.
1:43Every single year, I've picked up a 109, so I didn't see any reason to change it up this year.
1:50I've made the playoffs every year, so why would I, you know, try and go against something that's obviously worked okay for me?
1:57But yeah, not made a single pick yet. Looking forward to it.
2:01My plan is to kind of dive more into the scoring as we get off here in a little bit.
2:07But yeah, I mean, it's just a great time of year.
2:11Like you get past kind of July 4th and it feels like everybody just turns the page towards redraft.
2:17We've got two weeks until training camp opens up.
2:20I think in the next two weeks, we're going to see a decent amount of veteran signings.
2:25It's possibly not Brandon Ayuk, but guys like Stefan Diggs.
2:28I would expect to suddenly pick up a little bit of interest.
2:32Could we see a Najee Harris signing? It's all going to be starting to ruminate over the next couple of weeks.
2:39So yeah, is there any particular veterans that you're particularly interested in seeing what plays out like these free agent veterans?
2:45The receivers are definitely the first pieces to drop that I'm most interested in.
2:50And I posted this on X last week about the Miami Dolphins offense and just looking at, okay, what if you had
2:57a Chan and then, and insert any of these veteran wide receiver players, you drop them into the Dolphins offense.
3:03And do we look at Malik Willis and maybe the Dolphins offense a little bit differently if they just add one more piece?
3:10Because I was kind of, I was thinking about a certain take that I wasn't really sure how I felt, but when
3:17I thought more about it, if the Dolphins were to sign someone like Stefan Diggs, how much different is their receiving room from the commanders?
3:25It's not. It's not. Thank you. Because I was thinking about them and like, is, is Malik Willis just like this really,
3:32really discounted version of Jaden Daniels where you're getting the rushing production, but it is rounds and rounds and rounds after.
3:39Yes, I know Daniels is a much better passer.
3:42Malik Willis is still remains to be seen, even though he has been effective the last two years in limited stints.
3:49But I mean, Jaden Daniels, is he maybe, and this is what I drafted on one of our best ball streams a
3:56couple of weeks ago, is he being maybe overhyped up based on what he did as a rookie?
4:01When you look at, there's not that many weapons with him.
4:05And again, I like Chica Conqua. I like Antonio Williams, but it seems like after OTAs, it was, yeah, Terry's the guy.
4:12But after him, it's like this dramatic fall off.
4:15And are the commanders putting enough weapons around Jaden Daniels?
4:18I know they've been rumored to get a player like Brandon Ayoub.
4:22We still don't know. I mean, apparently he thinks he's friends with Jaden Daniels.
4:26Who actually knows if that's actually true or not?
4:29So I think that one of these veteran free agents is going to either find their way to Washington or to Miami.
4:36And I think that could actually cause a ripple effect in terms of how we view those two specific offenses, because you
4:43see the appeal with the quarterback and some of the, and that's why I like guys like Dulcich and Chica Conqua, because there's devoid of wide receiver targets.
4:52But I also acknowledge you drop in a solid veteran player and you have to definitely take a knock on those particular tight ends.
5:00Well, I think like, for me, it's like looking at, I wasn't particularly thinking about Jaden Daniels versus Malik Willis.
5:06It's more like the offensive efficiency. And I think that Diggs feasted last year in New England with very little competition for
5:13targets, you know, and I think it was exactly a hundred targets.
5:17And among the 26 wide receivers were a hundred or more targets.
5:21He was sixth in yards per outrun, fifth in yards per target.
5:24He also ranked ninth in total yards after the catch.
5:28Like Stefan Diggs isn't cooked. Stefan Diggs has an ADP of 147 on FFPC.
5:32I was writing something about him for fantasypros.com earlier today.
5:35And it just feels like we are in line for another situation like AJ Brown, but an even more pronounced one where
5:42everybody knew AJ Brown was going to New England, but all of a sudden he signs there, people bumping him in rankings, people push him up in ADP.
5:51And we get this big jump from him. Stefan Diggs is going to go 30 picks higher, I think, when he does sign with somebody.
5:59And if he signed in Miami and was declared wide receiver one, where would he go for you, Andrew?
6:05I'd be definitely like top 36 wide receivers, top 30.
6:08I mean, he was good last year and he was coming off the knee injury.
6:13So I think to your point, I don't think that he's cooked either.
6:17I think that he definitely still has something to offer an offense, especially if he's the number one guy, clearly.
6:23Can he just replicate what he did last year?
6:26Maybe he's not going to be as efficient going from Drake made and Malik Wilson is probably definitely a downgrade in my
6:33estimate, unless Malik Wilson just plays completely different. Offensive line still has issues with in Miami.
6:38Bobby Slovic is the offensive coordinator. How excited are we for that?
6:42We know they want to run the ball, so maybe not a lot of volume.
6:47necessarily, but if you're the number one guy, again, none of these other players project to earn volume at a high rate between Atwell and Malik Washington.
6:56Chris Bell, I think, is one of these really weird wild cards because if he wasn't coming off a torn ACL and
7:03the Dolphins had selected him at the top of the second round, he would be viewed way differently than he is now,
7:10where it's kind of like, oh, I'm not really sure I feel about that guy.
7:14So he is someone that I'm just keeping in the back of my mind as a big wild card in this offense.
7:21But again, coming off a torn ACL, it's really hard to expect.
7:25Oh yeah, this guy's going to hit from the jump.
7:28I wouldn't be surprised if, you know, a trade I was thinking about potentially that Miami could do is why not reunite
7:35DeMario Douglas with Malik Willis with the Patriots? Make a trade because you look at the way that thing, again, they want to trade Keishon Booty.
7:44Like that's the guy that's been room. But what if it's Douglas who was also playing in the last year of his contract?
7:51What if they move him to Miami before letting him walk next year?
7:55Keep Keishon Booty. That could be an interesting thing to look at, too, if Miami ultimately wants to make a move for a wide receiver.
8:03I'm Prezi in the chat asking if there's still any room in the league.
8:07We've got three spots left. So yes, we will be just continuing to just chat a little bit for the next few
8:14minutes whilst we wait on those last three to join us in this Triflex League.
8:19For anyone unfamiliar with it, FFPC Triflex Best Ball Slim Leagues, a 20-round snake draft, no kickers, no defense.
8:25It uses the regular kind of FFPC scoring, which is PPR, but an extra 0.5 per catch for tight ends.
8:32So it does put that premium onto the tight end position.
8:35Quarterback scoring is 25 yards equals one point passing.
8:38Interceptions are heavily penalized over here at minus two points.
8:41The roster vote, that's where everything is different in this format compared to any other FFPC or Best Ball roster out there.
8:48You start one quarterback, two running backs, three wide receivers, one tight end.
8:52Then get into the Triflex. We have one Superflex, which can be quarterback, wide receiver, running back, or tight end.
8:59And then two flex, which can both be wide receiver, running back, or tight end.
9:03So in theory, Andrew, I floated this to you before we started the stream.
9:08You could start up to six wide receivers on your roster.
9:11How does that make you think that you want to attack this draft?
9:15There are so many different ways. I wish I had done more mocks in the mock draft simulator before this Triflex draft, to be totally honest.
9:24So that's one thing that I am ultimately regretting hopping in this room with you.
9:29But this is why the FFPC has such a fun platform to draft on.
9:33Because there are all of these very different and exotic formats and scoring systems where you really have to kind of think outside the box, I think.
9:42And it's not just, oh, well, it's your typical, like, three receivers, two running backs, flex.
9:47And you can kind of go on autopilot. Although we suggest always going on autopilot, especially in season for those international games,
9:54as Tom, you are super familiar with. But I think for me.
9:57It's fine for me. It's fine. I'm always up.
10:00I'm always ready for those. Oh, the Alvin Kamara is not going to play.
10:05Who could forget? Oh, absolutely devastating for those. I had loads of time to figure it out.
10:10So that being said, it is really cool because you can go with quarterback here early on because it is a super flex.
10:17But starting up to a million wide receivers, how many tight ends could you potentially look to be starting?
10:24I think it's also really interesting, too. And it looks like I believe our draft is full.
10:29We're good to go. Yeah, we're full. We're good.
10:32We'll have one minute 45 just as the clock counts down.
10:35Make sure that everyone is around. But yes, I am picking from the 106.
10:40Andrew, you are picking from the 105. Ooh, this should be fun.
10:44Can't get away from this guy no matter what we do.
10:47I know we've got a few people in the chat who are with us.
10:52Haynes, I see you picking at the 102. Let us know where you're picking if you are joining us for the stream.
10:59Appreciate everybody who's joining us over here on Twitch.
11:01We've got TCB, Relentless, saying OOT remake coming out this year on the Switch.
11:06Ocarina of Time remake that is for the uneducated.
11:09It's going to be so good. I'm going to lose so many hours to that.
11:13Coltrane Gaming, Waddle to the Moon. Absolutely. Sting Mangione, Strack Attack and The Undertaker.
11:18Yes, sir. Every two weeks over here on Twitch.
11:21Anyone who hasn't caught any of our FFPC streams this year, we are going to be using the Fantasy Pro's draft assistant for it.
11:28So it isn't going to be the FFPC site that you see as we're underway.
11:33We're using the draft assistant because we think it's better.
11:36It helps you see the best available players based on Fantasy Pro's rankings.
11:40You'll see roster needs, get pick-by-pick recommendations based on the draft room.
11:44You can keep the strategy in mind yourself and just focus on being presented with the best players no matter what.
11:51So whether you're drafting in Best Ball, Dicey, Superflex or even your home redraft league, the fantasypros.com forward slash assistant.
11:57Fantasy draft assistant will sort you right out. Download the Fantasy Pro's app, sync your draft, use the draft assistant to make smarter picks in real time.
12:06So, Andrew, if you're going to be picking up a 105, now, even though you can start a quarterback in this format
12:13with it being Superflex, looking at quarterback ADP, we don't have necessarily anybody pushed all the way up.
12:19Like there's Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, but it's not like quarterbacks being overvalued in this format just because they're quarterbacks, because there's
12:26so many different ways you can attack this. Do you think of a 105, you're going to be, sorry, but 104, but
12:33you're going to be looking for a quarterback? I have not decided yet which direction I'm going to go in.
12:39You have the tight end premium. Brock Bowers did cross my mind, but he just went off the board here at, I think, the 103.
12:47B. Jim Robinson is still available. Yes. So we'll see.
12:50Maybe if he falls to me at 105, that might be a player I can't pass up on.
12:56B. Jim Robinson, also, Puka Nakua. Again, I think I'm not necessarily locked into going quarterback necessarily with my first pick.
13:03We'll see. Josh Allen's off the board here. So B.
13:06Jim Robinson's still available for me. So I think that's just ultimately going to be the direction I go in to kind of see him fall here.
13:14Again, this is just highlighting how cool this system is, this format is people approach it differently.
13:20ADP can kind of throw out the window. I asked you beforehand, is there even a triflex ADP?
13:25And you said to me, not really. So you just kind of got to throw in whatever the FFPC ranks.
13:32I took the super flex ones because I thought that was going to mimic this a little bit the closest.
13:38You got three seconds. B. John, come on down.
13:41Just checking. Just checking. Look, I'm not going to mess around on this one.
13:45I think that Lamar Jackson is going to have a massive year and I'm happy to take Lamar.
13:51And because of the nature of this one, I think that I can probably maybe take quite a skinny approach to the quarterback position.
13:59So, yeah, I'm happy to do that one. Prezi, sorry to hear you didn't manage to get signed up in time.
14:05FFPC are really helpful. If you do have any issues getting signed up, they're really good and we'll make sure they can get you sorted.
14:13So, yes, we're underway. The draft's flying along now.
14:16Jameer Gibbs, Jamar Chase, Brock Bowers, Josh Allen went one pick before Andrew.
14:20He takes B. John Robinson. I take Lamar Jackson.
14:23Puka Nakua goes at 106. Andrew, how big is the gap between Lamar and Josh Allen for you?
14:29I think they're still in the same tier. I think Allen is still ahead for me.
14:34I know we talked on earlier shows how Drake May is still my QB1.
14:39So that's if I'd gone quarterback, I would have gone in the Drake May direction.
14:43We all could have had the quarterbacks of our choice.
14:47But I still think that he is in the elite tier.
14:50I did want to ask you, though, with him and considering where you took him at 106, was last year a mirage
14:57with all with the downgrade and rushing? Obviously, the injuries played a big factor.
15:01Where quarterbacks don't tend to run more as they get older.
15:05But do you think that last year, hey, just throw it out?
15:09Again, I still believe in him as a passer.
15:12Again, we both love to say flowers. But I wanted you to hit on the rushing element for those that are kind
15:19of, yeah, it fell off last year. Is it going to continue to decline versus, you know, the last couple of seasons
15:26when he was putting up MVP numbers, both as a rusher and a passer?
15:30I think pretty much everything just didn't work last year, like for the Ravens offense.
15:35And so much of it started from the interior offensive line.
15:38And Lamar consistently, the years he's been at his best, it's been when the offensive line has been at least average.
15:45Like I look at what he did in the red zone, not from a rushing perspective, but just from a passing perspective.
15:52Ranked 35th out of 36 quarterbacks with 25 red zone pass attempts or more when it came to red zone completion rate.
15:59The O-line allowed a 62% pressure rate, which was 10% higher than any other quarterback faced.
16:04Lamar was sacked on 12% of dropbacks. And again, it all comes back to it.
16:09The Ravens pass catchers dropped 16% of his passes in the red zone, which was 2.5% higher than any other quarterback experience.
16:16So everything was broken. And I think that if the offensive line can be even slightly better, Dwayne Ledford, the offensive line coach, has come over from Atlanta.
16:25And there's a lot of people sneaky, very high on him.
16:28I think then that's going to settle Lamar down.
16:31And then that's when he's going to be comfortable running rather than just scrambling for his life.
16:37So yeah, I mean, look, I am a Ravens fan.
16:40I'm not going to hide that. But, and I enjoy having Lamar Jackson on my fantasy team, but I think that he's going to be fine this year.
16:49In round two, I'm back on the clock. Trey McBride, Devon Ochan, Jalen Hurts, Caleb Williams, Chase Brown on ADP.
16:55Looking at the Fantasy Pro's draft assistant, it would lean me towards Drake London, who I do love.
17:01But in this time premium format, I'm going to go with Trey McBride.
17:05Andrew, that puts you firmly on the clock. Are you going to take Drake London?
17:10Are you going to look further down the board to one of the quarterbacks?
17:14Where are you going? Hmm, which order should I go in here?
17:18So Hampton is the top running back here. Although he's not my highest ranked running back.
17:23I believe that I have, oh, I know I have Chase Brown, RB1, Sisson ready to go here.
17:29And I can always pull, because the thing is with the cheat sheet creator, it has all your cheat sheets you can pull up, whatever.
17:37So for me, it looks like, oh, oh, oh.
17:39I think we're in A-chan though, unfortunately. Because I, yeah.
17:43We've been drafting with the 60-second clocks these last couple of weeks, Andrew.
17:47You've got to fix up, look sharp. These are 30-second clocks that we are in tonight.
17:52Time of dialing. Oh, God. Well, I will say that Devon A-chan, I have been warming on him a little bit versus the, oh no, doom and gloom.
18:01He's never going to catch a single pass from Malik Willis.
18:04I do think that that narrative, again, it's true.
18:07Because going from Tua, who was a check down savant, to Malik Willis, a mobile quarterback, is a big downgrade.
18:14But when I was doing some research looking back since 2019, basically you're only going to take off about one point per game in half PPR.
18:221.5 points per game in full PPR. If you just look at what the scramble rate of Malik Willis is, like taxing
18:29that to A-chan, it's one and a half points per game in full PPR.
18:33So I still think there's a scenario where, and I don't want to get auto, I got to turn off auto draft first of all.
18:41I still think there's a scenario where A-chan can have a still very strong season and maybe still be a top five quarterback.
18:48So with that, I'm throwing it to you because I am on the clock and I don't want to get auto picked.
18:55Yes. So obviously lots of different ways that you can start this one.
19:00And while we mentioned that the wide receivers, you could start up to six of them.
19:05You could also start up to five running backs in one lineup because of the super flex element of it and the multi-flex.
19:12So it doesn't completely devalue them, but it does push it just a little bit more towards the wide receiver position.
19:19Andrew now with a very high T start of Bijan Robinson, Devin O'Chant and Kenneth Walker.
19:24I'm leaning into something I've wrote about a decent bit lately, and that is Zero RB.
19:29I strongly believe Zero RB is not being utilized enough of a minute.
19:33I put up an article on my website, fantasysanctuary.com, went about 7,000 words deep on why the history of Zero RB over
19:40the last couple of years, how we hit a point in Underdog's best ball mania where 21% of people were doing it
19:47in 2024, and then it absolutely bombed massively. And now we're down to kind of just popularity levels that we haven't seen in like six years.
19:55Like people just do not want to do Zero RB.
19:58I kind of feel strongly that there are certain ways that you can still make it work.
20:04I'm possibly a little bit out there compared to some people on it.
20:08And that's fine. If it means using a contrarian tactic isn't popular, I'm fine with that because we've kind of seen whenever
20:15any particular tactic becomes really popular, that's when it's less impressive.
20:18And even if things click right, you might advance at a high rate, but it's not necessarily going to help you win the big tournaments.
20:26Of course, we're not in a bigger tournament, but I feel like Zero RB can work pretty much in any setting at the minute.
20:34Andrew, if you're drafting Zero RB, what kind of round are you targeting your first running back this year?
20:40I think if I was being very true to the Zero RB methodology, it would probably be waiting till whatever round I can get Rashad White in.
20:49And he would be my RB1. So that's rounds eight, I think.
20:52I think that's typically kind of where he goes in a normal 12 team.
20:57Again, this is super flex, so a little bit different.
21:00But that's kind of who I circle. I know we've talked about that kind of tier, whether it's Rashad White, Jonathan Brooks.
21:07I know you don't like Brooks, but RJ Harvey, like that type of back end outside the top 24 running backs.
21:14I think if you're really being true to the Zero RB strategy, that's probably where I would take the first shot on one.
21:21Again, even Chuba Hubbard would be an option there, too, because there's a chance that I'm wrong.
21:27And there's a lot of people that will be wrong about Jonathan Brooks.
21:31And it's, oh, it's actually going to be Chuba Hubbard.
21:34So insert Panthers running back here. He makes that that player makes a lot of sense for a Zero RB build.
21:41And I agree with you that it's like whenever a strategy is deader than dead, it's never going to work ever again.
21:47That's when it becomes most effective, especially when less people are doing it.
21:52So if it does work this year and all the running backs or most of the top running backs all get injured, they all get banged up.
22:00The backups are surging, firing on all cylinders. Then not only is your strategy going to work, it's also going to lap
22:07the field because so many less people are doing it.
22:10So I agree with you. I think that's definitely something you need to be mixing into your best ball teams.
22:17Yep. I'm back on the clock and I take Zay Flowers.
22:20So far, there's been a bit of a quarterback run over the last couple of rounds.
22:25Since the start of the third round, we went Omari and Hampton, then Rashi Rice, Caleb Williams, Justin Herbert, Kenneth Walker to Andrew.
22:33Then I took George Pickens, Jalen Hurts when Nico Collins, Saquon Barkley, Jackson Dart, Derek Henry, Trevor Lawrence, Brock Purdy, Jeremiah Love, Patrick Mahomes, Dak Prescott, Matthew Stafford.
22:42Andrew is on the clock with seven seconds left to save himself from another auto draft.
22:47He's got three running backs so far in Bijan, Robinson, Devon O'Chant and Kenneth Walker.
22:51Interested to see where he goes here with this quarterback run on the move, but it's not a quarterback.
22:57Andrew, who are you taking there? Going with the tight end, Tyler Warren.
23:02I do think that there is a pretty big gap between him and Loveland where Loveland went at the 210 and I
23:09got Tyler Warren essentially two rounds after. Tyler Warren, I think he's probably going to lead the Colts and targets this season.
23:16So when you're looking at, okay, who can be an elite tight end producer this year?
23:21Warren checks off that box as a second year player, really strong rookie season.
23:25Again, big part of why the Colts offense was so effective in the first half of the year before Daniel Jones got hurt.
23:32Daniel Jones is limited by his mobility. What does that mean?
23:36Hey, check downs to my tight end. Who can create yards after the catch?
23:40And you can't forget, if they get to the goal line, you might see some Tyler Warren tush push type of action.
23:47It's something that he did at the college level.
23:50So he's got touchdown upside. He's got reception upside with the tight end premium one and a half points per reception.
23:57So I think Tyler Warren is really good in this format.
24:00And I just didn't feel like I really didn't feel like taking another running back getting me four, even though it is triflex.
24:08And I could start all these guys. But I ultimately went with Warren for those reasons.
24:13Yeah, we've seen some really different strategies, as Haynes points out in the chat, looking at slot one, two and three, for example, the range of strategies there.
24:22The team in the 101 has Jameer Gibbs, Chase Brown and Marion Hampton, followed by Jared Goff and Bo Nix, the team
24:29at the two slot, which is Haynes. Jamar Chase, AJ Brown, Rashi Rice, Brees Hall, Javante Williams, the team at the three slot.
24:36Bully tight end approach of Brock Bowers and Colston Loveland before Caleb Williams, Tyler Shook and Travis Etienne.
24:42And Andrew is back up on the clock. His start, Breesham, Robinson, Devon O'Chang, Kenneth Walker, and now Tyler Warren.
24:48I've got a healthy cue here, so I feel fairly confident that whatever Andrew does, it's not going to phase my approach.
24:55But we'll see. Andrew's got five seconds left. You've got a lot of good wide receivers to go from here, and it's
25:02an embarrassment, Richard, that's ultimately the direction you go as you follow your zero RB approach.
25:07Yep. And I'm going to go with Garrett Wilson as my wide receiver three so far, starting with Lamar Jackson, Trey McBride,
25:14George Pickens, and Zay Flowers, Garrett Wilson. I think the key for zero RB that I'm honed in on this year is
25:21that I don't want to be dealing with the wide receivers further down the board who are at risk of coming off the field.
25:29This is the hot topic in the NFL, the 12-13 personnel.
25:32I don't want to be worrying about how many snaps my wide receivers are going to be playing.
25:38So I would like to get three to four wide receivers who I'm confident are going to be out there as often as possible.
25:46And George Pickens, Zay Flowers, Garrett Wilson all tick those boxes.
25:49As we get down into the next round, it'll probably become a little bit more questionable.
25:54You know, there's still guys like Lad McConkie and Mechareg Buka.
25:58But as you get beyond that, it starts becoming difficult, and I don't want to worry about those kind of guys.
26:04So, yes, I want guys confident in their volume, confident are going to be potential red zone threats and can easily lead
26:11their team in targets, whether that's wide receivers or tight ends.
26:15And then running back, I'd probably lean towards running back in a zero RB build earlier than yourself.
26:21I think it is that kind of tuber range onwards.
26:24We've got plenty of interesting guys there. Just on Jonathan Brooks, I know I'm the negative guy.
26:29I'm the hater. You look back at how little he kind of played in college.
26:34The one thing I can't get away from, and I've been thinking more and more about this week is, do you think
26:41he's going to be trusted in pass protection? Cannot answer that question.
26:45I did not watch enough of him at Texas.
26:48Because he didn't play enough. He only played one year, really.
26:51I guess for me, it might be more of a RJ Harvey type of pass game usage where he's only out there to catch passes.
26:59That's fair. Like, that's really what he's used more.
27:02And we care about that more for fantasy. So, I don't think it's hindering him that he's not available in pass program.
27:09Because clearly the team trusts Chuba Hubbard in a lot of instances.
27:13Again, they've given him a lot of work over the last two years.
27:17They obviously paid him. So, there is a trust level with Chuba Hubbard.
27:21But they also need to figure out what they have in Brooks.
27:25I think Brooks is going to show that he's more explosive.
27:28Because Hubbard, Tom, I couldn't believe when I looked back in the PMF database.
27:33You're on the clock, by the way. To find another running back without any explosive rushes.
27:38I couldn't find another guy that had as many carries as Hubbard.
27:42He didn't exist. And that is just very, very concerning for me.
27:46Yeah. You know, my pushback could be he was injured last year.
27:49There was a chance for him to turn it around.
27:53You know, they trusted Chuba to the point that when it came down to the playoffs, they gave Chuba a 62% snap share in that playoff game.
28:01They definitely, they were definitely trying to reintegrate him.
28:04I'm not sure they believed in Rico Dowdle all the way.
28:07Hayden saying, am I being paid to be Andrew's PA?
28:11I mean, look, it just gets embarrassing if he autodrafts more than once.
28:15Like, nobody wants to see that. We're trying to build the ideal teams.
28:19We're trying to build how we want to build.
28:22And you don't need to see Andrew out here autodraft.
28:25And we'll leave that to his Scott Fishbowl team.
28:28So I went with another wide receiver, my fourth wide receiver in a row.
28:32Lamar Jackson, Trey McBride, George Pickens, Zay Flowers, Garrett Wilson and Jalen Waddle.
28:36Four guys who I feel very strongly are going to see very large volume this year.
28:41Andrew now has Bijan Robinson, Devon Ochan, Kenneth Walker, Tyler Warren, Terrell McMillan and Terry McLaurin.
28:47Are you a little bit worried that you're going to get left behind at quarterback?
28:51We've seen a couple more go off the board.
28:54Kyler Murray and Malik Willis since your last pick.
28:57Yes, I very much am worried about that quarterback spot.
29:00But it becomes a point where, well, if I'm already going to have bad quarterbacks, what's the point of reaching on them?
29:07So might as well try to load up the other positions, try to win.
29:12Again, this is an opportunity for, hey, if I'm ever going to win flex, you got to win your triflex when you have multiple starters.
29:20So if there's anywhere I can catch up ground, it would be here.
29:24So we shall see. I mean, according to the pick predictor, it suggests that there should be quarterbacks available to me.
29:30Maybe 70% chance CJ Stroud will come back to me.
29:34I do think I like CJ Stroud a decent amount, though.
29:37So I think that him is probably where I'll go in this direction here.
29:42So let me get him pulled up here. Yeah, I mean, if you're going to have bad quarterback play, CJ Stroud fits nicely into that.
29:50Never really been a particularly fantasy relevant quarterback. Often fail to score virtually anything that will get you into a QB1 position.
29:57But as this laid down in the draft, and if you're prioritizing dominating elsewhere in your lineup, it can make plenty of sense.
30:04I am going to take Cam Ward as my second quarterback.
30:07Probably try and leave the quarterback position alone after this and just hope that I could get by with two because we
30:14are into round seven and I haven't taken a single running back yet.
30:18There's some pretty funky builds, but I'm probably leaning towards one of the more extreme builds in here.
30:24Andrew, do you think I'm waiting too long on running back?
30:28Or do you think I can still build out an okay running back room at this point?
30:33Well, I'm looking at the running back board here.
30:36When you look at the available running backs, and you can do this in the mock draft simulator, the draft assistant, you can filter by running backs.
30:45You can do the suggested players, top ranked players from each position.
30:48And we look at running backs specifically. So Dave Montgomery's still on the board.
30:53He's been getting a lot of puff. Smash. From fantasy analysts, both at Fantasy Bros and elsewhere, just about this guy's locked
31:00and loaded RB2 floor, which I definitely agree with.
31:03Does have a little bit of like those like dead zone tendencies where usually every pro case for Dave Montgomery is, well, the projected volume.
31:11And that never gets us into trouble when you're trying to talk about RB2s, especially when it's behind this super great Texans offensive line.
31:18That being said, for your particular build, I think that he can make sense there, but you still have Jadarian Price.
31:25He's a rookie running back. He's a first round pick.
31:28I think Price, I get the risk with him, but I mean, he's going outside the top 24 running backs and he
31:35was a running back taken in the first round.
31:38So to me, he still screams like a player that could be boom or bust.
31:43But if he hits on the boom side, okay, now you're looking at running back playing in a good offense that could
31:50be the lead back, especially with Zach Sharpen and Jalen Warren.
31:53We love him. Pollard, projected starter, Ramondre, Rico. So yeah, I think you actually still have a lot of decent options where Rashad White, talked about him.
32:02So especially in the eighth round coming up, it's probably your sweet spot to hit running back, kind of following your zero RB build.
32:09So I think you're in a good spot. Tucker Craft goes off at tight end six, one spot behind Harold Fanning.
32:16It's kind of 80 picks into this super flex, tight end premium, multi-flex draft.
32:21Do you think when training camp opens, when we get positive news, everything's trending positive for Tucker Craft, do you think he could flip Harold Fanning?
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34:56I think with Fannin, you see where there could be arguments, not against the talent, but Brown situation quarterback-wise, not great.
35:03It's going to be Deshaun Watson that's the quarterback.
35:06That's gross. Especially because last year, you know, Fannin was really good with Shadur.
35:10We don't know how Fannin would be with Deshaun Watson.
35:13Deshaun Watson could just be absolutely terrible and they're just trotting him out there because, hey, he's on our roster paying him a lot of money.
35:22Let's just see what he has and Shadur isn't it.
35:25So that's bad. And then you also have the increase in target competition.
35:29Now it's not just Jerry Judy anymore. It's these rookies that they drafted, Denzel Boston and Casey Concepcion.
35:35So although we expect Fannin to take a step in his second season, there are potential environmental issues that could potentially derail
35:42a second year progression or second year breakout further for Harold Fannin.
35:45Whereas Tucker Craft, man, that guy was, I mean, he was going to be tight on one before he got hurt last year.
35:53Yeah. Yeah, Tucker Craft, I mean, he just plays the tight end position in a way that nobody else does.
35:59I was on a show with Joe last week where I kind of talked about Tucker Craft being one of the guys I'm still heavily targeting.
36:07I think that we do see a jump potentially around or so in ADP for him.
36:1210.6 yards after the catch last year, no other tight end with 25 catches or more was over eight.
36:1820-24, it was 9.3. Again, nobody else over eight.
36:21He's just an absolute yak monster. He's able to create in so many different ways.
36:2626% target share in the red zone last year.
36:29I think that it's the easiest piece of the Packers offense for me to buy in.
36:34I take Sam Laporte, though, making a second tight end to my bill.
36:38I decide to push running back a little bit further because I'm just not worried about it yet.
36:44I look at the guys on the board, Tony Pollard, Rico Dowdle, Tuba Hubbard, Jalen Warren.
36:49I'll take any of them in the next round and then I'll start loading up.
36:54You take Aaron Rodgers as your QB, too. How are you feeling about that QB room with CJ Stroud and Aaron Rodgers?
37:01About as well as one can feel if that's your quarterback room.
37:05So, Rodgers, he should throw a lot. That's about it.
37:08Don't think he's really that good anymore and I don't think that's really up for debate.
37:13He does have Metcalf. He has Michael Pittman Jr.
37:16Okay. But, that's it. And he should start most of the games because I'm not Jeral or Will Howard.
37:22Yeah, okay, sure. Sure, sure, sure. Maybe those guys will play but I don't think so.
37:27So, give me Rodgers walking those starts, baby. Yeah, and I mean, look, in this draft Aaron Rodgers went after Jacoby Brissett
37:34and Jacoby Brissett still hasn't signed an improved deal.
37:37I do believe that we'll probably see it at some point in the coming weeks.
37:41We are through eight rounds. This possibly will be the round where I finally cave and take a running back.
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38:11Andrew is one pick away. So far his lineup is B.
38:14John Robinson, Devon O'Chann, Kenneth Walker, Tyler Warren, Teter Roy McMillan, Terry McLaurin, CJ Stroud, and Aaron Rodgers for that, you know,
38:21low floor, low ceiling QB room that at least locks in most likely certified starters throughout the season.
38:27Andrew, what are you kind of looking towards here as you immediately go on the clock as I say that?
38:33I am definitely looking for my running backs to hit in a big way, the guys that I drafted early on, but
38:40I'm going to draft a player that I just continuously draft in every single one of these drafts we do, and it's
38:47Rashad White, even though I don't necessarily need a running back here.
38:51It doesn't matter to me. You think he's the best player on the board, so that's what I'm going with.
38:57Well, I'm going to take Ramondre Stevenson, eventually caving and taking my first running back.
39:02So I have Lamar Jackson, Trey McBride, George Pickens, Zay Flowers, Garrett Wilson, Jaylen Waddle, Cam Ward, Sam Laporta, and Ramondre Stevenson.
39:09Andrew, as a Patriots fan, how do you kind of see the Ramondre Trevion Henderson stuff splitting?
39:15In this draft, Trevion Henderson went almost exactly two rounds ahead of Ramondre Stevenson.
39:19I do think that eventually it's going to be a 60-40 split in favor of Trevion.
39:24I think that last year the playoffs are really kind of in the backs of our minds of what the split is
39:31going to be like when it was all Ramondre for the most part.
39:35Ramondre Stevenson finished the season really, really strong, but the final four weeks of the regular season, Henderson was ahead of Ramondre in a 60-40 split.
39:44So if the season had just ended then, we would collectively, I think, be much higher on Trevion Henderson.
39:50And not to say that he's cheap by any means, you know, he's a low-end RB2.
39:55I mean, he's basically going in the same range as he was last year.
39:59Showed out at the end of last year. I think Ramondre just kind of showed people that, hey, this guy was like, he's pretty good.
40:07Like, he's like a good running back and he kind of was left for dead after they drafted Henderson when his body of work was pretty, pretty good.
40:16Thousand-yard rusher, had a season with a lot of catches, big body back that was also explosive, just played on a bad
40:23offense before they really unlocked Drake May. So I think both guys are honestly draftable where they go, but I agree with
40:30your bill, Ramondre makes a ton of sense, especially early on in the season where I do think that he's going to
40:37see more of the share, but I think Henderson, again, he's another player that really great in the passing game, should be
40:44better in pass, bro, can't be worse, and he can get by on potentially a timeshare just based on how explosive it was.
40:51Again, when I was comparing when he came out, it was Gibbs Dave Montgomery.
40:56It was like the exact same thing, and I think that's kind of what you'll see again here in year two, but
41:03Henderson taking on a little bit more of the pie, especially as the season progresses.
41:07Yeah, you know, he needs to get better in pass protection, but he was a good pass protector in college, so it's
41:14not like some of these running backs where they just have no familiarity with what makes a good player in that position.
41:21I'm back on the clock, and I'm taking my second running back in Kenny Gainwell.
41:26Full PPR format really benefits him here. I think that he's better than Sean Tucker around the goal line, which will help him.
41:34Bucky Irving can't stay healthy. The team have talked about how they want a 1A, 1B, relationship between Gainwell and Bucky, and
41:41I know our friend Pat Fitzmaurice really likes Bucky, and I understand his arguments.
41:45I think the price that Bucky's at right now is kind of fair, but I think Kenneth Gainwell is another player who
41:52could rise in a couple of weeks' points. Michael Pittman for Pittsburgh Steelers stack.
41:56Feel good about it, Andrew? It feels as good as you can.
42:00I mean, I knew the answer. stacking this prolific Steelers passing game.
42:04Look, I'm just really leaning into the hope that with McCarthy, that they're throwing the ball at a top five rate.
42:11It's 11 personnel. Maybe they're not as much of the 12 personnel that it seems like the league is trending towards.
42:17Then again, they have two good tight ends, too, between Fryer, Ruth, Darnell, Washington, I think is a really fun piece.
42:24He's a guy that, I don't know, Tom, if you've seen Darnell Washington floating out there in Dynasty Leagues, especially in Titan
42:31Premium Dynasty Leagues, I'm trying to scoop him up here and there.
42:35He checks off some boxes, some of the advanced metrics, especially after the catch.
42:39Are you remotely concerned that he said last week he'd lost 45 pounds?
42:43If I lost 45 pounds, that would be quite significant.
42:47That's like him going from monster to regular-sized guy.
42:50You're one pick away, but yeah, do you think that could dramatically alter how he plays?
42:55That's a lot to lose. Maybe it means he's going to be less lined up as a sixth offensive lineman, and it
43:02means, hey, we're going to get this guy in space.
43:05Last year, again, looking back at yards after the catch per reception, Darnell Washington was one of those top guys.
43:11It's weird because you don't really view him as this dynamic receiver, more of a blocking tight end, but when they got
43:18him the ball last year, I remember there was a lot of weeks on betting pros where I was like, man, I'm
43:25betting the over on Darnell Washington receiving yards at 20 and a half because he just has to catch one pass and
43:32nobody wants to tackle this guy in open space.
43:35So, maybe I'll draft him in this draft. It is 20 rounds.
43:39So, I'm going to take Jordan Mason. You took Makai Lemon.
43:42I took Jordan Mason as my third running back and he got a little bit of hype last week.
43:48Again, he was somebody that I talked a little bit about when looking at zero running back targets and I was a
43:55little bit surprised by some of Jordan Mason's stats from last year because it didn't feel remotely impressive.
44:01Among the 31 running backs who had 700 or more rushing yards, he ranked 12th in yards per carry, 8th in explosive
44:08run rate, 11th in yards after contact per attempt, 7th in missed tackles force per attempt, which the missed tackles force per
44:15attempt was the one where I was like, I just didn't remember him being elusive like that.
44:20The problem was that out of those 31 running backs who had 700 or more yards in points per game, he ranked 30th out of 31.
44:29But my kind of copium, hopium, whatever you want to call it, is that in a more efficient offence, which isn't being
44:36hindered by JJ McCarthy, Jordan Mason could be a little bit better.
44:40And just as I was kind of coming around to that, we get a Vikings beat reporter talking about how this is
44:47Jordan Mason's backfield, and Aaron Jones is the guy who's going to be on third downs, Demon Claiborne isn't going to play very much in his rookie year.
44:55So, yeah, I'm not overly excited about it, but getting him as RB39, where are you at on the Vikings backfield, Andrew?
45:02I think I need to re-evaluate the splits from last year, because it seems like it's so hard to have these grand
45:09takeaways from the Vikings offense from last season, because of everything that was in turmoil with them last year, especially in the
45:16McCarthy starts, whether he was healthy, whether he was running around or not.
45:21The splits are weird. I remember going back and trying to figure out, okay, well, it was Aaron Jones that was the
45:28guy when he was healthy, but he's not always healthy, and Jordan Mason had opportunities, was okay, but to your point, did
45:35check off some more of the boxes in terms of success rates, some of the advanced rushing stuff.
45:40I was really big on Jordan Mason last year.
45:43He was definitely one of my guys I drafted a ton of, and it didn't work out, but I'm not so sure
45:50that, in kind of thinking about it a little bit more, that it was, oh, this is all his fault why it didn't work out.
45:58Maybe it was just really more of the Vikings offense kind of just like cratering with McCarthy, so I think I agree
46:05with you where I think I need to be drafting more of Jordan Mason.
46:10I've been hiring concerns on Aaron Jones because I just think that he was the default starter, but I want to acknowledge
46:17that he definitely fell off in a lot of advanced rushing stuff last year, kind of following a Camara-esque path where he's
46:24older running back, still really trusted, especially as a receiver out of the backfield, but if this Vikings offense can be top
46:3110 with Kyler, Jordan Mason I think is most likely going to be the main benefactor.
46:36Both guys are going to be free agents after the end of this year and I like these Vikings running backs more
46:43than I like the Titans ones, just to be totally honest, just looking at the offense, I like the Vikings offense overall more.
46:50Titans off the line is shaky, like looking more at that line, it's like, are we really excited about this and these running backs here?
46:58So yeah, I think that's a good pick. So I'm about to come back up on the clock, Lamar Jackson, Trey McBride,
47:05George Pickens, Zay Flowers, Garrett Wilson, Jalen Waddell, Cam Ward, Sam Laporte, Ramondre Stevenson, Kenny Gainwell, Jordan Mason.
47:11A couple of running backs went off the board since my last pick, Zach Sharbin, Aja, Corey Kroski, Merritt, and Tajay Spears.
47:18But the guy who I had on, Chris Rodriguez makes it back to me.
47:22Chris Rodriguez is another guy who today, Monday the 6th of July seemed to be the day where there were a couple
47:29of positive reports for him around the fact that he's fully expected to be ready.
47:34A couple of experienced Jaguars beat reporters or Jaguars beat reporters, maybe I should say, saying that they expect him to have a significant role in this offense.
47:43The Athletic called it that today and I'm sure we saw another report.
47:47So he feels like somebody who is going to start getting pushed back up and as my running back four, I feel
47:54quite happy taking him there in the 12th round.
47:57Andrew, you've just made your pick. Which way did you go at the 12th round of this draft?
48:02Took another wide receiver because that's kind of what I invested the least amount into early in the draft and you have
48:09to start three wide receivers in this triflex format.
48:12So I took Xavier Worthy, seems like another player where high on him entering last year, but his season basically ended midway
48:19through the first game when he got bodied by Travis Kelsey over the middle of the field.
48:25And from then on, from that point, it was basically over for him.
48:29Like he was banging up with the shoulder. They never really got to unleash the plans I had for him.
48:35The Chiefs offense was just generally in disarray. So this season, he's significantly cheaper.
48:40This is best ball. So if he is going to rip off some big plays, if Holmes offense can ever get back
48:47to throwing the ball deep downfield effectively, well, Xavier Worthy at least seems like a guy that could potentially infrate balance back.
48:54It was between him and Jordan Addison. And I did talk poorly about Jordan Addison on the show we did with Jake Sealy last week.
49:02And honestly, I thought more about it and Jake made a lot of good points.
49:06So that's another player that I think based on where he was going here, he was another player I was also considering because of his boom bust nature.
49:15But that works in a best ball setting because he can generate a lot of big plays.
49:21So Jordan Addison was also the player I was considering.
49:24He was the next wide receiver that went off to Haynes be at the two or a 12-11 spot.
49:30Yeah. And Haynes also took Kenyon Sadiq as the tight end 20.
49:34Andrew back on the clock. Now we did have a bit of running backs which is slightly irksome to me.
49:40Aaron Jones, Keion Mitchell, Tyron Tracy, Jonah Coleman all off the board.
49:44Chigga Conquo, Jawan Johnson on the corner as well.
49:47So I'm still firmly just looking at the running back position to give myself just a little bit more legacy.
49:53I want my wide receivers to be the star of this team but I'm absolutely willing to go with a volume approach
50:00to make sure that when I do need two running backs each week and potentially someone filling in flex spots I want
50:07to make sure they're good options and I'm going to take Tyler Algier.
50:11I think that Tyler Algier has been devalued because people are disappointed in the situation.
50:16We all wanted Tyler Algier to find somewhere where he could be the lead guy.
50:21It looked like that might have happened in Arizona and then they bring in Jeremiah Love but Tyler Algier earned carries with the Falcons.
50:2842% red zone rush share, 32 carries inside the five yard line, never fumbled in his entire NFL career so there's plenty
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51:07Andrew, we are ripping through this draft, 13 rounds in, your team of B.
51:12John Robinson, Devon O'Chan, Kenneth Walker, Tyler Warren, Terrell McMillan, Terry McLaurin, CJ Stroud, Aaron Rodgers, Rashad White, and Michael Pittman, Makai Lemon, Xavier Worthy, Greg Dulcich.
51:21Your boy, Greg Dulcich, he slipped past Haynes who's taken him in a couple of drafts that we've done.
51:27Are you pleased to add Greg Dulcich as your tight end too?
51:30Yes, I am. Very happy about that. Probably the best pick I've made so far here in the 13th round.
51:37I'm surprised you glossed over it. You were hyping up Tyler here.
51:41Another one of those players that I feel like I've been high on.
51:45ever since he got drafted in the NFL. And of course, the guy just keeps running into playing behind these top five drafted first round pick running backs.
51:54This guy can't catch a break, even though your point, man, he's been really solid, rock solid, doesn't fumble red zone presence.
52:01But yeah, I like what I'm doing so far here.
52:04Still need a couple. Sweeteners, I need another quarterback, so I'm not going to tell you who I'm looking at, but a
52:11certain player that maybe I could stack with one of my running backs I drafted really highly.
52:16So we'll see how those things shake out. But I'm looking on leaning on the draft assistant here too, especially with like
52:23the suggestions to kind of see where it sees the board based on what my team needs, which is obviously one of
52:30the great benefits of using the draft assistant live in your drafts.
52:34It can really help you pinpoint not just the top ranked players, but top ranked players specific to what you're actually doing
52:41and what you've already drafted up to this point.
52:44Yeah, well, I'm back on the clock and I am going to take the last running back.
52:49I'm going to be taking in a while. I have now gone six running backs in a row.
52:55I had Ramon Joe Stevenson, Kenny Gamewell, Jordan Mason, Chris Rodriguez and Tyler Algier.
52:59And then I did Dylan Sampson. For me, this is a clear value pick.
53:04I think that he's one of the best values on the board right now because I do not believe that Quinchan Judkins
53:11is going to have a clean one versus RB two role.
53:14I think it's going to be a mix. I think that the Browns are going to be in much more pass heavy
53:21situations because their defense is going to stink without Myles Garrett.
53:25And the pass catching, it goes to Dylan Sampson.
53:28All the advanced metrics favor Dylan Sampson over Quinchan Judkins.
53:31Andrew, where did you go with your pick? I went with another Patriots wide receiver, not AJ Brown, because I was not
53:38able to land him in this particular draft. Very sad.
53:41Play the sad trombone meme, please. Editors, insert that in there.
53:45Anytime we can't get AJB, anytime we can't get AJB, but Dobbs, I still think he has a lot of touchdown upside in this Patriots offense.
53:53I think that probably makes him a little bit more boomer bust in your traditional redraft leagues, but Dobbs, I think is
54:00still going to catch a lot of touchdowns attached to Drake May.
54:04I don't think there's enough about Drake May having way more red zone success this season with way more weapons that he
54:11has at his disposal, opposed to last year when guys were running into each other guys were running the wrong routes in the red zone.
54:19So way more touchdown upside. So getting him here in the 15th round, or 14th round when I needed receiver help, I think he's a good pick.
54:27Tight end absolutely cleaned out since our last picks.
54:30AJ Barner, TJ Hawkinson, Cade Otten, Terrence Ferguson and Gunnar Helm go off the board.
54:35We're down to tight end 28 now off the board.
54:38So this tight end premium, we do seem to see them start going off a little bit around here.
54:44Andrew's on the clock with 10 seconds left. His roster sitting with two tight ends, sitting with four running backs, those two quarterbacks.
54:51He takes Jalen Coker. I'm going to lock in somebody that I believe is a value and I was convinced Andrew was
54:58about to take him as his tight end three, but instead I will take him as my tight end three.
55:05That is Pat Fryer move. Postman Pat always delivers.
55:08It's just impossible not to look back at last year as a blip for me.
55:12He played a career low 52% of snaps. I think it was his previous career low in snaps was 62% as a
55:19rookie and that is an Arthur Smith stat. Arthur Smith rotated them.
55:23Johnnie Smith is no longer there, so it's a bit cleaner.
55:27There's only the two tight ends, Donald Washington and Pat Fryer move.
55:30I think Pat Fryer move is going to be a red zone threat this year and a good bet to score five, six touchdowns.
55:38Andrew, you took Jalen Coker. You're going very heavy with wide receivers.
55:42Obviously I started four wide receivers inside the first six rounds, but then I haven't taken another wide receiver and win around 15.
55:49You started with three running backs followed by a tight end and then you've gone Terrell McMillan, Terry McLaurin, Michael Pittman, Makai
55:56Lemon, Xavier Worthy, Romeo dubs and Jalen Coker. So sitting on seven wide receivers.
56:01Do you feel like you feel pretty happy with the kind of level of wide receiver who's still available at this point in this draft?
56:09Yeah, I think that receiver is one of these positions where it's the least about opportunity and it really is about are you good, right?
56:17Other players sometimes can make up for it. Running backs, we know, can be really volume driven.
56:22Same thing with tight end, but receiver, if you're not good, you don't usually get volume.
56:27So I still think that we're in a range where Jalen Coker, I think he's a really talented guy and whenever he's
56:34been on the field and healthy, he has been very effective and I do think it's not a hedge, but a little
56:41bit of, okay, I did invest a high pick in T-Mac earlier in this draft.
56:46T-Mac misses any time. I'm not concerned or have any reservations about, oh, well, Jalen Coker is going to step up and
56:53have big games if T-Mac is going to miss any extended time.
56:57So if this Panthers offense does take a step forward overall as a passing unit, if they let hashtag Bryce Young cook
57:04a little bit more, at least let him in the kitchen.
57:07Let him turn on the oven. I remember when I was younger, my dad would always tell me, Andrew, go turn the grill on.
57:15Just go turn it on. Just get it warmed up for me.
57:19I'd be like, Bryce Young, go out there on the porch, go turn the grill on because he wanted me to learn
57:26how to operate gasoline and all that, or a tank, et cetera.
57:29So yeah, that's my plan there with the Coker pick.
57:33And again, got to please the Coke heads out there.
57:36Yeah, I like Coker. If you exclude week seven, his first game back, he had the rest of the season, had 15th
57:43highest yards battalion for the rest of the season, five games over 45 receiving yards, which doesn't sound insane, but it is
57:50a nice amount when you're talking this late in the draft.
57:53There's some interesting picks that we're going to circle back to in a minute.
57:58Looking at what's on the board as I've got 12 seconds left, it's Omar Cooper, Jawan Jennings, Jalen Naylor, Tank Dell, Jerry Judy.
58:05It's a little bit disgusting. I'm going to take Ryan Flournoy, who I have a bit more faith in than some of
58:12those guys above him, which puts Andrew on the clock.
58:15While we were talking about the parenting style of Mr.
58:18Mr. Erickson, Travis Hunter went off the board one spot after Brandon Iyuk going in the 16th round.
58:24Andrew, we've done some of these drafts where we've seen Brandon Iyuk slip to.
58:28I think you took him with the very last pick of the draft at one point a couple of weeks ago.
58:35How do you feel about that? Would you be willing to take him in the 16th round or do you still feel
58:42like he's more of a late, late dart throw?
58:45I think that the latest you can take him, the better.
58:49Right? Because this guy seems like a ticking time bomb.
58:52Really no idea what this is going to... It just seems more and more likely it's going to be a Deontay Johnson type of thing.
59:00Where he's not playing for anybody but the minute that if he does sign with the team, he gets cut from the 49ers.
59:07We know that he's a talented player and we're in a range where you know that there is a percentile outcome where
59:14if he's just on the field, he's so much better than everyone else that goes in this range.
59:20It's not even close because of what his body of work.
59:23He's not old. He's not washed, I don't think, but we don't know how healthy he is.
59:29He has season ending in injuries. So I still think 16th round is okay, but would prefer to wait as long as humanly.
59:36Again, I don't think you should be in a scenario where I got to reach for Brandon.
59:41Yeah. I don't think that we've reached that range at any point right now.
59:46I think that you got to get some exposure to him because he is a player that is going to move dramatically either down or up.
59:54And I think it's worth it still even here in the 16th round.
59:58Yeah. I mean, I'm not drafting much Brandon Ayuk apart from when I'm co-drafting teams for people and they make a case that they'd like to draft it.
60:07And I'm fine if people believe in it, but I think there's above 50% chance that Brandon Ayuk does not play football this year.
60:15Since your last pick of Omar Cooper, Sean Tucker, Rashard Bateman, Trey Tucker, Jalen Naylor, Mike Sikhi, Emmett Johnson, Jaden Blue all go off the board.
60:23Andrew's back on the clock taking Shadur Sanders. Andrew, talk to me about Shadur Sanders.
60:28He was the highest ranked quarterback left on the board.
60:31It is a continual fade on Deshaun Watson who went the 13th 08.
60:35It didn't seem like there was going to be anyone taking quarterback anytime soon, but I still wanted to make sure I
60:42got at least a third quarterback and I'm not taking Kirk Cousins.
60:46You can't pay me to take Kirk Cousins in a super flex draft.
60:50Not happening. I don't care about Brady and he's going to, they can start him the first month of the season and
60:57lose all those games and I think that's why we're going to see Mendoza sooner rather than later.
61:03He was not good last year. Kirk Cousins was not a good quarterback last season and guys coming off these Achilles injuries, injuries.
61:10They just don't have the same zip on the ball anymore.
61:14That's why I haven't talked anything positive about the quarterback that I drafted Aaron Rodgers in the eighth round because he had
61:21an Achilles injury a couple years ago. So should her for me just bet against Deshaun and maybe they can do some
61:28create stuff in this Cleveland Browns offense that has some interesting pieces here and there.
61:32I also don't think how long is Watson if he even starts the year, how long is he going to last behind a brand new offensive line?
61:41No, he can't play. Come on. Yeah. Just going back to the Raiders, you do a lot of great work for us
61:48on Betting Pros channel and all that side of it.
61:51And I know you've already started digging into the podcast over there and getting some stuff out there.
61:57How many games do you reckon the Raiders are favorites for this year?
62:01How many? I know they're a favorite at least in one because we've won their favorites against the Miami Dolphins.
62:07I would say, well, they're not going to be favored in any of their division games.
62:12Nope. I would say four. Four games are favorites?
62:15And now for the second part of this. Three.
62:18Three. For the second part of this, guess how long after week one it is before their next favorite?
62:24After week 10. Week 16 against the Titans and week 17 against the Cardinals.
62:29So it doesn't make sense to wait. I don't understand what this whole waiting thing is.
62:34Like, yeah, sure. Maybe you don't throw him out quite straight away, but like the easy games are not coming for them.
62:41So, yeah, I think that we see him by early October at the latest.
62:45I'm back on the clock now. We are into round 18.
62:49I'm taking Isaac Teslal, which gives me a roster so far of Lamar Jackson, Trey McBride, George Pickens, Zay Flowers, Garrett Wilson,
62:56Jalen Waddell, Cam Ward, Sam Laporte, Ramondre Stevenson, Kenny Gamewell, Jordan Mason, Chris Rodriguez, Tyler Algier, Dylan Sampson, Pat Freimuth, Ryan Flournoy.
63:03This will be the year for Marshawn Lloyd in round 17.
63:06And then Isaac Teslar. Andrew is back on the clock.
63:09His roster so far is B. John Robinson, Devon Ochan, Kenneth Walker, Tyler Warren, Terrell McMillan, Terry McLaurin, CJ Stroud, Aaron Rodgers,
63:16Rashad White, Michael Pittman, Makai Lemon, Xavier Worthy, Greg Dulcich, Romeo Dubs, Jalen Coker, Omar Cooper, Shader Sanders and Ray Davis as RB66.
63:24Happy, Andrew? Yes, I am happy, but I think that you'll be even happier.
63:28Look at my number one suggestion with tight end right now.
63:32Obviously. But is that taken into account, the 46 lost pounds?
63:35Who can say? The ranks might need to be adjusted.
63:38I'm not sure. And it does go off the board to the team at 103.
63:43To Sal Pal, who, you know, I'm not going to hang him out to dry, but our producer behind the sticks, Sal Pal taking his fifth tight end.
63:52He has Brock Bowers, Colston Loveland, Travis Kelsey, Terrence Ferguson and now Darnell Washington.
63:56Fill those flex spots up with tight ends. Big Chef Gaming in the chat saying best ball season.
64:02You better believe it. We've got these every two weeks until the season starts.
64:06Let us know which contest you want to draft in next time.
64:10We've done this $5 draft tonight. We did the $125 draft a couple of weeks ago.
64:15We've done the $35 super flex. We've drafted against each other.
64:19Myself and Andrew have also drafted together on teams before.
64:22Let us know what you want to see. We're happy to do it.
64:26And if anyone wants to spot us for like a 10k very high stakes entry, look, we're willing to do that.
64:33Just we have to make sure Andrew doesn't time out on any picks.
64:37He's gone a pretty long way in this one since the Devin O'Chant auto draft in round two.
64:43I probably wouldn't be. I don't think I should.
64:46I don't think I should be driving in those.
64:48Can't drive. No. Can't do it. You shouldn't be talking right now.
64:52You should be picking. You got 10 seconds left in this one in round 19.
64:57Tory Horton goes off the board before you. I'm sitting here now with seven running backs and six wide receivers.
65:03Feels like the draft board's quite open to me for which way I can go at this point.
65:09Andrew takes George Helani. Was that an auto draft, Andrew?
65:12Was that who you wanted? That's what I wanted.
65:15Yeah. Let's go with that. I don't really love much of running backs at this point in the draft.
65:21So instead, I'm going to take a guy who I believe in whose rookie profile was excellent.
65:27And that is Ted Hurst. I think that the books are going to be one of those teams who still continue to
65:34play three wide receiver sets at one of the higher rates in the league.
65:38Without Mike Evans, there is an absolute gulf in red zone targets.
65:42There's a gulf in those kind of big body plays.
65:45And I think that Ted Hurst can absorb some of those.
65:49Haynes in the chat, very much enjoying that. You shouldn't be talking right now.
65:53You should be picking. Put it on a t-shirt.
65:56Yeah. I'll buy it. Get yourself over at Fantasy Pro's merch store.
66:00Beautiful hats like these. Kirk Cousins goes off the board as QB 36.
66:04Looking at this kind of draft overall, we've seen some pretty funky strategies.
66:08We've seen a lot of different ones. Obviously, I leaned heavily into a 0 RB one, and we can recap that when we're finished.
66:16But we've seen the team of the one slot took five running backs in the first nine rounds and hasn't taken a single one since.
66:24They've gone wide receiver and tight end pretty much consistently for the rest of the draft.
66:29We've got the team of the nine slot, which went three running backs, two quarterbacks, and then it's still just kind of bobbled about a bit.
66:37George Kittle, Hunter, Henry Colby, Parkinson as their tight ends.
66:40We've got out of the two slot, Haynes, who started triple wide receiver.
66:44He's building Tetris blocks here. Triple wide receiver with Jamar Chase, AJ Brown, Rashid Rice, two running backs in Brees Hall, Giovanni
66:51Williams, four quarterbacks, which kind of shut you out at quarterback a little bit more.
66:56Then balancing it with three late round tight ends in Dallas Goddard, Kenyon Sadiq, and TJ Hawkinson.
67:01So it's been a fun one. Andrew, anything kind of stand out to you about how this draft's played out over the
67:08last 19 rounds that has surprised you or that you've enjoyed?
67:12Well, always doing these drafts with you is a ton of fun, Tom.
67:16Of course. A lot of doing these basketball drafts, especially when I'm not, auto drafting picks.
67:21It's even nicer when I actually make my own picks.
67:24So that's also a, a plethora. I don't know.
67:27I think I'm ready to dig into the post draft analyzer because that is one of the greatest things about the draft
67:34assistant and making sure that things are synced up because it helps provide a quick recap of, Hey, what just happened?
67:41What could you have done differently? So it's because whenever anyone asks me, like, what do you, what is most interested you the most?
67:48I'm like, I've been so focused on my own team and not trying to auto draft that I barely had time to
67:55look at other teams and what they're doing, but considering your team, because that's, we've obviously talked about that one a lot.
68:02The fact that you went zero RB true and true of its form and you did create, take Chris Rodriguez, but besides
68:09that pick, like, it's hard to argue with the running backs that you made here, Stevenson, Gainwell, Mason, Algier, Samson.
68:16I think Samson is going to outscore Judkins to start the season.
68:20You look at the matchups Judkins has, he faces the Jaguars and the Buccaneers on the road, back-to-back road games for a brand new offensive line.
68:28Judkins is going to have no chance to do anything to start the year, especially coming off his injury.
68:34So I think after entering week three, it's going to be like, all right, who's the Browns?
68:39Number one running back. It's like, well, Samson's been the more productive guy because he's just been catching passes.
68:45So I think that he's like a zero RB staple and then Marshawn Lloyd as well.
68:50So tip a cap to you. If I had, if I had a hat, I'd be tipping it to you, Tom.
68:57Well, I round out my draft with Keenan Allen.
69:00I'll recap mine whilst Andrew makes his last pick or last auto pick.
69:04We'll see Lamar Jackson, Trey McBride, George Pickens, Zay Flowers, Garrett Wilson, Jalen Waddle, Cam Ward, Sam LaPorter, Ramondre Stevenson, Kenny Gainwell,
69:11Jordan Mason, Chris Rodriguez, Tyler Algier, Dylan Sampson, Pat Frymuth, Ryan Flournoy, Marshawn Lloyd, Isaac Teslar, Ted Hurst, and Keenan Allen.
69:18I would not want this running back room if I was in redraft, but in this setting, in best ball, I feel pretty happy with it.
69:26Keenan Allen as well at wide receiver 89, 235th overall.
69:29I'm putting him at least round 16, at least round 16, no matter where he signs, so I feel good with that.
69:36You made one last quarterback pick to round out the draft, Andrew, Bijan Robinson, Devon Ochan, Kenneth Walker, Tyler Warren, Terrell McMillan,
69:43Terry McLaurin, CJ Stroud, Aaron Rodgers, Rashad White, Michael Pittman, Makai Lemon, Xavier Worthy, Greg Dulcich, Romeo Dubs, Jalen Coker, Omar Cooper,
69:50Shader Sanders, Ray Davis, George Helani, and the QB 37 overall in this draft.
69:55Who did you take and why? Sorry, I've just seen your draft grade.
69:59They were not pleased, not pleased with my draft grade.
70:02I can't wait to see who hates you great.
70:05For the audio listeners, on the Fantasy Pros podcast feed, Andrew just received a D plus, 68 out of 100.
70:11He did take JJ McCarthy, just got to let that one go by.
70:15So his quarterback room is CJ Stroud, Aaron Rodgers, Shader Sanders, and JJ McCarthy.
70:20Andrew, let's dive in. I'm excited to read some more of a full analysis from the Fantasy Pros, Mock Draft Wizard, and
70:27Draft Assistant even, to tell us why your draft was so terrible.
70:31I do have the number one running backs first, but it's really penalizing me for quarterbacks and in a super flex format, that bears a lot of weight.
70:40If you have really bad quarterbacks, it's really hard when, everyone else is starting two quarterbacks against you every single week.
70:46So I think that this shines a light on the risk you can take on if you decide to punt quarterback down the road.
70:54And this is the bad scenario case. Like the worst case outcome when you get stuck with Aaron Rodgers as a reliable
71:01starter, someone you have to play every single week.
71:04And even during our draft, I was not glowing about, yeah, man, he's a great value in round eight.
71:10No, that's not how I felt whatsoever. I would have felt much better if Stroud was my QB two and I drafted a quarterback earlier on.
71:18Maybe that's the direction I should have gone instead earlier, instead of going three straight running backs, drafting a quarterback in one
71:25of those spots instead of one of those running backs, I think, too.
71:29Oh, go ahead. Well, I was going to say one of the kind of pivot points potentially could have been in round
71:36six, you took Terry McLaurin ahead of Kyler Murray and Malik Willis.
71:40If you had Kyler Murray, Malik Willis or Sam Darnold as your QB one and CJ Stroud as your QB two and
71:47then say Jordan Tyson or Marvin Harrison as your wide receiver two, would that make you feel better?
71:53Probably. And even when I'm looking at the pick analysis, so which picks would you change?
71:58If you look at all the recommendations, it's drafting quarterback around three, drafting quarterback in first round, drafting quarterback in the second
72:05round, drafting quarterback in the fourth round. So really emphasizing that, hey, you flew too close to the sun with this late
72:12round quarterback approach in super flex and this is the result you get.
72:16It's a less than ideal roster. So although I'm loaded up at running back, that doesn't really seem that advantageous when you're
72:23looking at the overall scope of your draft afterwards.
72:26So even if I drafted Drake May, right, in the first round over Bijan, again, I wasn't considering going in that direction.
72:33But hey, this is how you get better, Tom.
72:36All right. So although this is probably a dead team, luckily, this isn't one of the $125 best ball drafts that we're doing.
72:43This is one of the $5 ones. But I do think that in some of these lower stakes best ball drafts, this
72:50does give you a chance to experiment a little bit more and take on a little bit more risk with some of these strategies.
72:58Yeah, definitely. And to be fair, I saw on the screen, I was projected, well, ranked seventh in the teams there.
73:04My team, the top team, my good friend Rory, Tom can't draft the team name, does come in with the most projected points.
73:11Rory, I'll get you next time. But yes, I'll take the little victory of just being ahead on Andrew.
73:18Andrew, any particular analysis, any particular experts who particularly hated your draft there?
73:22Yeah, so to be fair, even the Andrew Erickson bot gave me a B.
73:26And I'm always like, 99 out of 100, Andrew Erickson loves your draft.
73:30And again, this happens too when you make a couple auto picks here and there, you're going to get a bad grade.
73:37Just got to show up, man. You got to do your homework.
73:41You got to raise your hand. You got to participate.
73:44Again, other things that Mr. Mr. Erickson taught me alongside turning on the grill.
73:49Make sure you do your homework and participate in class.
73:52But Drew DeLucha, like my draft, 85. Mick Cialello from Fantrax.
73:55And Fitzy. Fitzy was nice. He gave me a B.
73:59B minus 80 out of 100. A lot of people hated my draft.
74:03You didn't even draft many Packers. Didn't draft any Packers.
74:06So, but I got T-Mac. Or Bucky Erick. McLaurin, Kenny Walker, Kenneth Walker.
74:10And then, yeah, a lot of Lou Brunson from Optimist Fantasy Football gave me a 57 out of 100.
74:16So that is a big old F on the draft board.
74:20I need to get your team pulled up here, Tom, so we can take a closer look there.
74:25Here, let's see. Yeah, so my team for one last time, Lamar Jackson, Trey McBride, George Pickens, Zay Flowers, Garrett Wilson, Jalen
74:32Waddle, Cam Ward, Sam Laporte are waiting until round nine to take my first running back.
74:37Ramondre Stevenson, Kenny Gainwell, Jordan Mason, Chris Rodriguez, Tyler Algier, Dylan Sampson, Pat Frymuth as my tight end three, Ryan Flournoy, Marshawn
74:44Lloyd, Isaac Teslar, Ted Hurst, and Keenan Allen to round out the draft.
74:48Andrew, what are they saying? Let's see. I have not been able to pull up your exact team.
74:54I think it's A plus, 100 out of 100.
74:57Oh, wait, oh, here we go. Here we go.
75:00You are. All right, here we go. T-Strak. So you came in second?
75:04Oh my God. Second, first loser. Okay, here we go.
75:0785 out of 100. Yeah, there we go. 85.
75:10So what have I got? I've got Dolan Del Don.
75:13We've got Jeremy Shulman. Lots of people giving me nice grades over 90 points.
75:18Lou Brunson, who liked your draft. No, no, no, didn't like your draft.
75:22Gave me a 63 out of 100. We've got to...
75:25Not in on Lamar Jackson, Cam Ward, or Sam LaPorte.
75:28We've got to share this stream with him and he's going to just like rip us to shreds.
75:34you need to track you down. But yes, I'm sure Sal Pal 2's roster out of the three slot with Brock Bowers,
75:41Colston Loveland was definitely one which looked nice. Producer Sal, absolutely doing it all tonight.
75:4673 out of 100 for Sal. 73 out of 100.
75:49Let's see. Pretty good. Lou also didn't like his draft either.
75:52Lou Brunson hated it. Lou. Alfredo Brown though, always liked him.
75:56He likes your draft, Sal. So yes, this has been a very fun one.
76:00Definitely interested to check in on this one as the season progresses and see how this plays out because it is such
76:07a unique format with the ability to start up to six wide receivers or to start up to five running backs to start four tight ends.
76:16There's so many different ways that things can break right for you in this one and we truly appreciate everybody who was in the draft with us.
76:24It was a lot of fun. I had a blast.
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