0:00This is an iHeart Podcast. Guaranteed Human. All right, and welcome into the Fantasy Pros Fantasy Football Podcast.
0:05A make or break week four is officially upon us.
0:09And if you're like me in most of my leagues, you're walking into this slate needing a win more than almost anything in the world.
0:16Therefore, we're firing up another primer episode with our top must start players.
0:20I'm your host Andrew Erickson still somehow here after the Pittsburgh Steelers allegedly even tried trading me to the Dallas Cowboys for future draft pick compensation.
0:28And back with me is a man who just has to love watching it all burn down.
0:33He's a Bayou born legend now living his best life in Friday Night Lights Country.
0:38He's downtown Derrick Brown. D bro, I'm sure the city of Dallas and the surrounding DFW areas are absolutely buzzing today.
0:44Are you as well my friend? I am dude and I thought it was really funny when that hit the timeline.
0:51Apparently that was past Rappaport and Shefty's bedtime because that news comes out and the only person that tweeted it out, and stuff like that was Jordan Schultz.
0:59You didn't get a Schefter tweet and a quote tweet from Rappaport or a tweet from Rappaport and a quote tweet from Shefty.
1:06I guess they must have gone betty by, but no, it was good trade for the Dallas Cowboys and the Pittsburgh Steelers.
1:13Homie, what are you doing? Like did that as a Steelers fan?
1:17I'll ask you this real fast before we get rolling here, Seth.
1:20Did that trade compensation feel a little bit light considering you saw what the Jets got for Sauce Gardner, right?
1:26Hmm? You're not only talking to a Pittsburgh Steelers fan, you're talking to a Penn State football diehard who's seen Joey Porter.
1:33I'm yeah, dude. Apparently we are, we are not.
1:36Yeah, we are not apparently. Yeah, absolutely. So no, it was, it was disgusting.
1:40I thought the compensation was egregious and you know, I saw a great tweet out there today.
1:45I'm sorry. I can't credit it, but you know, someone's like, it's okay.
1:49Steelers fans. Don't worry. You can find stud cornerback in the second round of the draft.
1:54And it was, you know, listing all the stud cornerbacks have gone in the first round over the last couple of years.
2:01And it's like, you have to have a top five or 10 pick and we don't ever get them.
2:07So what does it matter? Derek, I was so upset about this news that I went to bed as soon as I saw it.
2:14And then I actually forgot to put in some additional waiver claims because of a bunch of good people in my big
2:21money league got dropped like Rico Dowdle, Kenneth Gainwell, Chris Godwin.
2:24And I was like, okay, I should probably pick one of these guys up just to add some depth.
2:30I forgot because I was so mad. So I woke up, woke up in a equally as bad mood.
2:36I mean, hey man, look, we wouldn't even be doing this show and I would have to be putting out like a
2:42health check for you if they would have included Eli Heidenreich in that trade.
2:47So at least that didn't happen. At least that didn't happen, Seth, because if that happened, we'd be doing a well check for Mr.
2:54Wolcock today. Absolutely would be, but we got a loaded program and we're locked and loaded for it.
2:59Must starts for each of the quarterback, wide receivers and tight end positions coming your way.
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3:25And Derek Brown, you're starting us off overseas out there in the great city of London, England.
3:30What do you have for us at the quarterback position?
3:33Marcus Mariota is a fantastic start this week. And no, I'm going to lead this off with, I do not believe you, Dan Quinn.
3:40I do not believe Jaden Daniels is starting this week.
3:44Not when he's our dude's wearing a brace that doesn't even allow him to fully extend and bend his arm straight.
3:50So no, I don't believe you. I don't believe your faulty gamesmanship.
3:54I believe Marcus Mariota will be under center for the Washington Commanders.
3:57And I think he's a fantastic start this week, man.
4:00QB 18 and ECR. He was QB 13 last week against the freaking Seattle Seahawks, dude.
4:05And that was without even running. He only ran five times for 11 yards on the ground.
4:10We know that the Russian component is there for Mariota.
4:13He was very impressive as a passer. He had the seventh best passing success rate amongst 31 qualifying quarterbacks last week.
4:20And the other side of this, dude, is Indy's pass defense.
4:23Wolf. Like, they'd not be good, man. They're giving us the fifth highest EPA per drop back in the third most yards per attempt.
4:30So however you want to slice this up, like, Marcus Mariota could easily be a low-end QB1 this week.
4:36I mean, because we've seen him do it before.
4:39It's like, who do you feel better about starting?
4:42Marcus Mariota or Kyler Murray? Marcus Mariota or Jordan Love?
4:45Marcus Mariota or Drake May? Marcus Mariota, Bo Nix.
4:48Marcus Mariota, CJ Stroud. And I bring all those names up because all of those names are above him in ECR right now.
4:55Yeah, Bo Nix and Drake May, I think, are two conversations I'd be willing to have.
4:59The rest of those, I agree, though. Definitely Mariota.
5:02And I think we actually might see a shootout here overseas for once.
5:06I agree. Because you talked about how bad this Colts secondary is.
5:10I think the Commanders is worse, dude, right? Yes.
5:13And their pass funnel. Yeah, you look at every metric from a receiving and a passing standpoint, and Washington is right up there.
5:20They have no help in this secondary. I thought it was bad.
5:23You know, I really thought this was a team that could have used someone like Caleb Downs in the draft to help sure that up.
5:31They went a different way. I understand Sonny Stiles is a stud.
5:35But at the same time, yeah, I mean, look even at the total of this game.
5:3947 and a half. That is much larger than we see a lot of these international totals.
5:45So I'm right there with you. I like Mariota.
5:47Do you like Daniel Jones this week at all at the quarterback position?
5:51Is he someone you'd be rolling out? I feel so gross, but I'm going to tell you right now, and I feel like this is a safe space.
6:00I might have already played a plus money bet on Daniel Jones over one and a half passing touchdown.
6:06Okay. Hey, dude. Hey, you know, you got that.
6:08I got some Keenan Allen props I've been dabbling in.
6:11So that's just the way things are going out there.
6:14I guess we are not. Maybe. Maybe. Maybe I'll find a way to get him on the card.
6:20Just to. I do have. I do have. This isn't the college football show.
6:24College football betting pros channel. Make sure you're checking that out.
6:28YouTube. I do have Penn State minus two and a half on Friday night.
6:32So that's going to dictate how the weekend goes early.
6:35There we go. I was waiting for the Penn State.
6:38Derek, let's go to the wide receiver position where you're actually staying in this game.
6:43Yeah. Dude, if I'm in on Marcus Mariota, then yeah, I'm going to take one of his pass catchers that's outside the top 30 wide receivers.
6:50Stefan Diggs, a wide receiver 31. Is everybody realize that Stefan Diggs is wide receiver 17 and fantasy points per game?
6:57Does everybody realize that Stefan Diggs is a 22% target share 1.82 yards per route run and he's tied or he's right
7:04on the heels of McLaurin with a 25.4% first reach here?
7:07Does everybody realize that? As well as if you juxtapose that with the fact that Indy has given up the most yards
7:14per target and the third most fantasy points per opportunity to slot receivers?
7:18Stefan Diggs is a very, very strong play. He's a wide receiver three who I think if Mariota does the dang thing,
7:24Mariota can support McLaurin and Diggs this week. I fully believe that.
7:28So both of these guys are really strong starts.
7:31And I think both of them can produce as wide receiver twos because the other thing about it, who else in that
7:37passing attack is taking targets away from either one of them this week, Seth?
7:42Like Chikakanko, if he plays, okay, he's probably a part-time player.
7:45Antonio Williams still is not factoring into this passing attack.
7:48So it's literally these two guys holding up the entire house.
7:51They're going to do the dang thing. Yeah, especially like they're not getting, I think, as much production as they'd like out of the backfield.
7:59So they are having to air it out a little bit.
8:02Like you said earlier, I think we see some Mariota with his legs moving the chains.
8:07But you look at even the receivers, the Colts have faced.
8:11Like they got Zay Flowers for a half in week one.
8:14He went off against them. They had this weird Kansas City offense where you're kind of seeing role shift between Rice and Worthy, right?
8:21Which both of them provided for fantasy. And then last week, I mean, you just had the hoopla that is the Houston
8:28Texans who don't want to run out Jalen Knoll, right?
8:31So, you know, they haven't even faced the best slot wide receivers and they're still giving up a ton of points to him, right?
8:38So don't even get started on Nick Caley. We could go another hour and a half about how Nick Caley is an absolute buffoon.
8:46And I don't understand why he's employed in the NFL.
8:49But anyway, that's for a different show. It absolutely is.
8:52For this show, though, Derek, you're going to talk me off a ledge of benching a receiver who's done almost.
8:58I don't want to say he's done nothing because he's been like a starter worthy receiver, but he's not lived up to draft expectations so far.
9:06Yeah, sadly, Emeka Ibuka has only been producing as the wide receiver 33 in fantasy points per game.
9:11But I'm here to tell everybody that lack of production is not really his fault.
9:16He only has 65% of his targets have been deemed catchable right now.
9:20It is a horrific mark. So Baker Mayfield has been playing bad football.
9:24So it's like I understand we're taking a step down to Jalen Daniels.
9:28I get that. But is it really a step down with how bad Baker Mayfield has been playing?
9:33Because on the things that Emeka Ibuka can control, which is running his routes, getting separation and getting open.
9:39Emeka Ibuka has been awesome at that. Like amongst 86 qualifying wide receivers, Emeka Ibuka, 19th in separation score, 15th in route win rate.
9:46So he is doing exactly what he is supposed to do.
9:50But the quarterback play is not holding up their end of the bargain.
9:54And unless he can throw the freaking ball to himself, what is he going to do then?
9:59So I think we could have a surprisingly strong game from Emeka Ibuka, especially when you look at like the matchup.
10:05Secondary he's going against has given up the 12th most yards per target and the six most fantasy points per opportunity to perimeter wide receivers.
10:13So like, am I scared of the Green Bay pass defense?
10:16No. They made Michael Penix look quietly freaking awesome.
10:19Gave up a massive explosive play on a broken coverage to Drake London.
10:23So if Jalen Daniels can just be serviceable, if he could be a better version of Tyler Huntley in this spot start, Emeka Ibuka could ball out.
10:31Yeah. And you know, we usually do see a lot of these young quarterbacks locking on to either tight end, right?
10:38They're going to try to get some check downs over the middle.
10:41And then at the same time, they're going to be looking for their number one option.
10:46That is Emeka Ibuka at this point in his tenure.
10:49So Jalen Daniels also like, I think I expect less check downs for the running backs, even though the Bucs haven't, you
10:56know, been using gain well, as much as I think a lot of us hoped coming into the season.
11:02He's a guy who likes to kind of grip it and rip it.
11:06And if it's not there, he's going to tuck and run.
11:09So hopefully he can continue to move the ball.
11:12And it means good things for Emeka Ibuka. I myself am nervous, but it does set up with a really, really nice matchup for the secondary.
11:20I mean, you look at every, you know, wide receiver one for a team that has faced this Green Bay secondary right now.
11:27Justin Jefferson, how's eight for 92 and two Garrett Wilson, five 57 and one.
11:31And then you mentioned Drake London nine for 194 last week could have been more if he, you know, ended up getting
11:38on the end zone late in that game. Let's go from some established stars though, to a one that you think is
11:44me rising up the rankings this week. I think so, man.
11:48And Chris Bell at wide receiver 57 and ECR, I think is criminally low.
11:52I think he should be like a wide receiver three slash four.
11:56I think he's a very strong flex play this week.
11:59Okay. As long as the health reports come back, you know, like he's not going to see a diminished role or to things like that.
12:06So everybody does need to kind of watch the news.
12:09But what we saw out of Chris Bell's role last week got ramped up, had a 64% route share, a 19% target
12:16share at 67 receiving yards, 2.48 yards per route run, and almost a 17% first reach here.
12:21If he takes more of this passing pie this week against a Minnesota Vikings corner room, which has given up the 11th
12:28most yards per target and the 10th most fantasy points per opportunity to perimeter wide receivers.
12:33Chris Bell could be a very surprising flex in a game where the Vegas totals, the line is telling you Miami is
12:40going to be trailing in this game. So we know they're going to have to throw the ball like they've done the entirety of the season.
12:48So if that is the case, Chris Bell could be a wide receiver three this week.
12:52So, and based on Chris Bell's profile coming out of Louisville the last couple of years, even despite working with some, you
12:59know, kind of subpar quarterbacks, whether that was Miller Moss or whether, you know, Tyler Shuck was pretty decent when he was under center for the Louisville Cardinals.
13:08Definitely not what he is today, but he is known as the big play high value target earner, right?
13:13I mean, Malik Washington, like if you need set, if you need eight, eight points in a cloud of dust, he's probably
13:20the guy to get right coming off a 10 target game.
13:24But if you want serious upside, which I don't know about you, Derek, but this week I'm, I'm a big underdog in a couple of matchups, right?
13:32And I got to pull out, you know, something out of a rabbit out of the hat.
13:37And maybe this is a spot with Chris Bell.
13:40It's a low total too, in this game. So I don't think there are a ton of points.
13:45There's not a lot of players that I want to get invested with, but it was, as far as Chris Bell in
13:52the Miami offense, Derek, like, is there a player other than him from the skills players that you would rather fire up
13:59in a flex, like Ollie Gordon, Jalen Wright, or is it Chris Bell for you?
14:03It's Chris Bell. It's Chris Bell. Like Caleb Douglas is out of this game.
14:07Malik Washington, like you said, has been just soaking up empty calorie volume, but he, like, let's play out the fever dream of playing Chris Bell this week.
14:16Okay, Seth, what if Malik Washington isn't getting that 25, 26% target share this week?
14:21What if instead that goes to Chris Bell, Seth?
14:23Oh, man. Is that so crazy to see? No.
14:26For a player that is more talented than Malik Washington, another week if he ramps up and he's in the, like, 75%
14:33route share quadrant, he's got a good matchup on paper.
14:36Or if Malik Willis can buy time with his legs and they're in catch-up mode and he's just YOLO, like, screw it.
14:43We're going to chuck it up to Chris Bell.
14:45He's down there somewhere. Chris Bell could have a very surprising game, man.
14:49Yeah, I think Brian Flores is going to get after this team.
14:53I think Minnesota is going to get out to a lead and then maybe it's some negative game script helping out Chris
15:00Bell and company there for the Miami offense. Before we keep it moving, just a quick reminder that you can take the
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15:20Get started today at fantasypros.com slash start-sit. All right, and let's move forward to the tight end position where, Derek, you're actually
15:27foregoing the running back starts and you're going double tight end here in the flex.
15:31Yeah, and just to kind of the reasoning why we're not mentioning any running backs on this week's episode is only because
15:38there is a large swath of like RB3s and running back gets gross really, really fast because of committee backfields, players fumbling away opportunities like Jadarian Price.
15:46Like you get past like RB15 and RB20 and it is disgusting and you look around and you're like, oh God, who
15:53am I going to believe in right now? And you're basically just living in RB3 touchdown dependent flex territory.
15:59And it's like, can I talk about Kyle Manonga?
16:02Can I talk about Blake Corum? Can I talk about a lot of these guys like a Woody Marks and say, hey, the matchup's good.
16:09He probably gets like 10 touches. Okay, that's great, but they don't have any pass game role.
16:14And if they don't get in the end zone, you're hating life that you started any of these guys.
16:20So read the primer, play the matchups as you see fit with any of those guys.
16:25But no, there are two tight ends this week where I feel like people need to hear the good news about and
16:32we're going to kick that off with Kenyon Sadiq, dude.
16:35Tight end 11 and ECR, he crushed last week.
16:38And this could have been like the tip of the iceberg for what Kenyon Sadiq does for the rest of the season.
16:44Because as we're recording this and projecting this game, still no Mason Taylor.
16:48A.D. Mitchell, I do not think plays this week.
16:51So Kenyon Sadiq is the clear number two target in the Jets passing attack, which looks competent.
16:56And last week, Kenyon Sadiq, we all know that he balled out.
17:00He had over 100 receiving yards, 4.2 yards per route run, a 21% target share, 19.2% first read share, tight end four on the week.
17:07And everybody's wondering, what the heck do I do with tight ends?
17:11Do I start Tucker Craft? Do I start all these other guys?
17:15Like, do I feel good about them? Probably not.
17:17Kenyon Sadiq, I feel really good about it. Because we know the Jets are going to be playing probably catch up against
17:24the Bears, depending on whoever the hell Benny Johnson wants to start a quarterback.
17:28We shall see. But looking at all of this, I think Sadiq is going to be highly involved in this passing attack
17:35against a defense that has given up the 10th most yards per target, two tight ends, when yet the Bears have only
17:42faced a part-time Darren Waller, an underutilized TJ Hawkins and a part-time Zach Ertz.
17:46But they're giving up that mark. And oh, baby, Kenyon Sadiq is coming to town.
17:51Yeah, it's a great point. And I have been a little bit nervous based on those game logs against, right?
17:57But it's a fair standpoint that they haven't really faced the best of the tight end crop out there in the NFL.
18:03I do think that this linebacking court is a bit better than obviously what the Detroit Lions were rolling out a week ago against Sadiq.
18:11I'm less confident on Sadiq than I was a week ago.
18:14I still think he's a top 12 option, though, with you.
18:18I just don't know if it's quite the explosion that we got.
18:21But either way, he's someone that needs to be rostered.
18:25And Derek telling you he needs to be in lineups this week as well.
18:29And Derek, from the new exciting thing at the big man position, you're going with an old Wiley veteran as well.
18:35I am. And in everything on paper, all the analytics say that we have not gotten a Mark Andrews explosion game.
18:42And I think we could get it this week.
18:44He's tied in 15 in ECR. I think he should be ranked as a top 12 tight end.
18:50He's tied in 20 in fantasy points per game, but he hasn't scored a touchdown.
18:54And he's been his usage and his per route efficiency has been awesome just for everybody at home outside of looking at fantasy points per game.
19:02If I were to tell you there is a tight end that has a 23.7% target share, has 2.07 yards per route
19:09run, and a 25.9% first reach share, would everybody collectively be saying, oh, dude, like that's a that's a top six option.
19:16That's a top five tight end. That's a guy we have to play this week.
19:20And yet Mark Andrews is languishing as a tight end to an ECR right now.
19:25And a lot of people are probably on the fence of saying, do I play Mark?
19:30Mark Andrews? What do I do with Mark Andrews?
19:33I don't know what to do with Mark Andrews.
19:35And I'm saying, no, you need to play this man because the deeper metrics all say a regression game is coming for
19:42Mark Andrews where he is going to put up a massive stat line because all of the per route efficiency has been awesome.
19:49And if it's this week, you're gonna be like, oh man, I'm so glad I got him into my lineup.
19:55But Seth, I mean, am I crazy in the way that I'm framing Mark Andrews?
20:00Is he washed? What do you think about him?
20:02No, I don't think he is. He hasn't delivered from a standpoint that we wanted, right?
20:07I know there's some Mark Andrews versus a flowers bets going on around the company right now.
20:12There are looking pretty good on the side too.
20:15Yeah, yeah, absolutely. That being said, I think this is a tough one for me this week, Derek, because the Titans, it's
20:22hard to take anything from their games, right? Like again, you had Johnny Munt, Dallas Goddard got injured.
20:27And then Isaiah likely- Kenyon Sidney was a part-time player when they played the Jets.
20:32So- Right. And James Winston and his horrible targets say hi.
20:35Like, so- Yeah. You know what I mean? It's like, how much do you take away of like, oh, they're good on paper against Titans.
20:43They ain't playing anybody. The quarterback play has been dog water.
20:46So you can't really like take a lot away from like those on paper metrics when it's like, well, they haven't really been tested.
20:54Yeah. A bit of a mystery box, I think, but a fun one that you think could be profitable this week for
21:00everyone in week number four, Derek Brown. Great stuff as always, not just here on the fantasy pros, fantasy football podcast, but
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