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0:11What running back to take? Well, we have got Tara Roberts and Jake Seeley here that are going to be answering those questions.
0:17Because there's some difficult ones. Maybe, you know, the very tippy top isn't that.
0:21But whether it's a two running back decision, three RBs, who to take, we've got the answers for you with the toughest of tough questions.
0:28Mr. Jake Seeley, are running backs really that tough for you this year?
0:31Or do you feel just clarity across the board and wherever you're going to take them, even if it's going to be in the later rounds?
0:38I think there's a clarity in the fact that I feel more set about my tears than I ever have over, so
0:45if you look at the athletic too, with like projections and everything, there's like more clear cutoffs.
0:49And it's not just, oh, the next drop off running back is 20 points behind.
0:53It's like, the next running back starts this collection of messy backfields.
0:57Or the next collection starts a rookie with competition alongside of them.
1:00Like, it's just, there's a very segmented group. So I don't think we necessarily have, you have to get a running back around one or two of those.
1:08Like that's not the be all end all. But I think coming out of the first three rounds with at least one.
1:14So when you get to the fourth, fifth, sixth round, we've called the dead zone, whatever it might be.
1:19You can kind of say, you know what? I don't have to force myself for a running back.
1:24I can take the value at wide receiver and have four wide receivers or take one of the early tight ends because
1:30you're not chasing at that point where I think a lot of teams are going to be coming out of drafts with
1:36two running backs in the fourth to sixth rounds and kind of be feeling frustrated in the end anyway.
1:42Yeah, Tara, this experiment that we're going to get into where, you know, it's literally going to be, we're going to look
1:48at the variation of around the running backs that exist in there.
1:51And then we are going to have a, who would you rather?
1:54That's what this is going to look like in doing this experiment.
1:58Did you find any that surprised you or any surprise revelations that came from having these discussions of running backs?
2:03Yeah, I did have one. I always love doing this stuff because it really allows you to, you know, bump players up
2:09together and really think about and say, Hey, wait, maybe I should adjust my rankings on this.
2:14So yeah, I'm, I'm with Jake. This is a, this is fun format.
2:18Running backs are, they're fun and a little bit more clear this season, a lot more clear than last season.
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2:50So let's just dive right into this, the tough running back decisions that you have got to make this year.
2:56And of course, number one is at the very tippy top.
2:59It's literally number one because yes, you could take the wide receiver, but as our dear friend Pat Fitzmaurice here at fantasy
3:05pros has mentioned, like he's making the decision between one of the two running backs.
3:09So he is number one overall B John Robinson, but is enough of a discussion to say that there's a debate with
3:15Jameer Gibbs, who is number two, who would you rather the RB one, the RB two.
3:20Is there any variation? Jake kick us off here.
3:22This is this a, even a tough running back decision, despite it being potentially the number one overall pick.
3:27I actually think it is a tough land, the point where I'm not going to say, if you want to take Gibbs, you're crazy.
3:34Like I have, this is, so we'll talk about the tiers.
3:37I have two in tier one. That's it. Robinson and Gibbs.
3:40Those are the two elites. Those are the two that if I'm picking one or two, then I would really think about either of these guys.
3:47And maybe I try to differentiate, but if I'm the one-on-one is my only shot at the one-on-one, it's the slightest of margins.
3:54I talked about another show with Fitz funny enough is I would go Robinson.
3:57Mostly I see the higher ceiling for Gibbs. I do think the highest ceiling is with Gibbs.
4:02Actually, he has some of the games. Like if you want to come out of it and be like, ha ha, I kicked my opponent's teeth in.
4:10That's Gibbs. I mean, he scored almost 50 points last season in one of those games, but there was plenty of 20
4:16and 30 point games from Bijan as well. And I think if you look at the two of them, I see a
4:22slightly higher floor for Bijan, a slightly higher ceiling for Gibbs, but we're nitpicking here.
4:26But again, if you want to look at it, Bijan had what?
4:2937.5 or 37.4 is fifth highest in the season.
4:32He's also inside the top 20 with two more games.
4:35So it's not like you're giving up an enormous ceiling.
4:37But I think people getting caught up in the, well, Gibbs is going to catch a ton of passes, catch a ton of passes.
4:44What did Bijan just do? It's not like he's giving up that role to Brian Robinson.
4:48Brian Robinson was brought in to replicate what Tyler Algier was doing.
4:52And honestly, I think it might even be a slight downgrade for them.
4:55I know people talk up Brian Robinson a lot and I love him as a player and his, you know, this drive.
5:01But I actually think there's a possibility where Bijan sees even more touches this year.
5:06Yeah, there is this really interesting thing too. You were kind of mentioning that both of these backs have these attached secondary
5:12backs to them that put in the question. It was Algier.
5:15It was Dave Montgomery. It's like, you know, could there and what do they take away?
5:19Both of those guys go. They find replacements. And I think it kind of just throws to us the potential upside for both of these players.
5:26I don't know how big the gaps truly are, Tara, for you.
5:30If you feel that it is clearly Bijan, clearly Gibbs, or it is a tight-knit race, as Jake mentioned.
5:35But what say you on this tough RB1 or overall pick at number one?
5:39Yeah, I'm with Jake. I think it's extremely close because I don't think we're going to see the boost in receptions, but
5:45we will see a little boost in carries. The difference between carries for Bijan and Gibbs really was kind of negligible last year.
5:51Gibbs saw just a little over two and a half carries less than Gibbs.
5:55Gibbs, there's just around two and a half carries less than Gibbs per game last season or than Bijan last season.
6:01So I don't think it's that big of a difference.
6:04Plus, I think we're underselling the exit of Zach Robinson and the arrival of Kevin Stefanski for all his issues.
6:09He has been very generous in terms of ensuring that backs don't have issues with being three down backs.
6:14So I don't even know if we're going to see that Tyler Algier work directly transition to Bijan Robinson anyway.
6:20I mean, if anything, we could have an increase in goal line opportunities here for Bijan now that Zach Robinson is out of the picture.
6:27All right. So we move from the 1-1 to the mid first, where I think there are some more discussions because we've
6:33got three backs that we're going to be throwing into this one.
6:36So from the seventh overall spot, RB3, Christian McCaffrey.
6:39We've got Jonathan Taylor. And then we've also got James Cook.
6:42So we've got three running backs in here. RB3, RB4, RB5.
6:45Obviously, from a 7 overall to an 11 overall, there's a little bit of that like, well, if I have a mid first round pick, dot, dot, dot.
6:53But if we are looking, what is the choice on the tough decision at RB in the mid to late first round?
6:59Jake, we will drop it to you. McCaffrey, James Cook or Jonathan Taylor?
7:02Yeah, I'm going to go with James Cook. I'll save something for after Tara in case she brings it up because I
7:08kind of come for her pick in a degree unless she backs it up for a different way.
7:13But I'll save that. I'll save that little nugget.
7:16This is why you have to stay through the entire podcast, at least the beginning part.
7:20But I look at James Cook and it really comes down to this is another tier.
7:25Like I have Cook, Taylor. Other running backs are in this tier as well that we're not even mentioning so far.
7:31We're going to mention some of them later in the show.
7:34But there's a big group here where I'm not going to be like, oh, my God, you're crazy to take Jonathan Taylor
7:40or you're crazy to take Saquon Barkley or whatever it might be.
7:43But I look at James Cook and everybody went into last year and I say everybody, the entire industry went into last year saying, let's be hesitant.
7:50Let's worry about that touchdown total. You know, the regression is coming.
7:54And it came. It was four rushing touchdowns regression.
7:56And oh, what did he do to offset that?
7:59Only ran 100 more times for 600 more yards.
8:01Like he actually improved his yards per carry with 100 more carries.
8:05And everybody's still afraid of James Cook. The dude doesn't even have a thousand touches to his career yet.
8:10Like, let's chill out. Like, it's not all of a sudden he's going to be like, oh, my God, it's Christian McCaffrey.
8:16And he's in one of the best offenses that still gives him plenty of rushing touchdown upside.
8:21I get it. He doesn't catch a ton of passes, but he doesn't need to be that because of what this offense is for him.
8:28And that's what's going to continue to be. So tying myself to the bills, tying myself to James Cook to repeat again
8:34is why I would take James Cook. Although, like I said, I'm not going to sit here and go like, oh, my
8:40God, I can't believe Tara picked Jonathan Taylor. There's just one little nugget that really worries me about him.
8:45And I want to see if she's going to bring it up first.
8:49So we don't have Christian McCaffrey. Very sad. Neither of you are going to pick McCaffrey.
8:53And as Jake just said, Tara, you are going with Jonathan Taylor on this.
8:57So talk to us about Taylor over McCaffrey and James Cook.
9:00I am. JT is my boy here. I like that we both went the avoid Christian McCaffrey route there because he is
9:06the riskiest of this little group here, unfortunately. For all the upside that he has, he definitely has the highest upside to everybody.
9:12But unfortunately, apples to apples, the one most likely not to make it through the season because of the touches last year.
9:18It is CMC, unfortunately, there. I like James Cook.
9:21I am mildly concerned, like what happens with that giant rushing upside.
9:24Like you mentioned, 100 carries added last season. Not a lot, right?
9:28300 is not a massive workload, but it is a little bit more wear and tear than his body's used to.
9:33But he's been very reliable, so I'm not downgrading him for that.
9:37But when it comes to JT, when I look at the Colts and what happened last year, the beginning of the season
9:43was basically easy mode for JT managers. He had 20 total touchdowns.
9:4617 of them happened before the bye week in week 11.
9:49But we know there were two issues. We know why it happened.
9:53One, the Daniel Jones injury. He was not perfect, right?
9:55But he was a massive improvement compared to the previous quarterbacks.
9:58So even coming off of the injury, he's just so much farther an upgrade compared to what they previously had.
10:04Greatly looking forward to him being back and riding the ship on this offense.
10:08And again, I didn't expect him to be perfect, right?
10:11But what really happened there is once he got that unfortunate injury, his ability to get the ball vertical and things just
10:17kind of dipped a little bit there. And then obviously, once he exited completely, major issue there.
10:21And the Colts 2025 schedule was unfortunately kind of backloaded with terrible matchups.
10:25Again, JT can push through terrible matchups. He had excellent games against Denver earlier in the season and the LA Chargers earlier in the season.
10:32But back to back to back, it just kind of created this whole lopsided issue where the first half of the season
10:38was wonderful and the back half of the season was a total disaster.
10:42We weren't going to have that issue this season, thankfully, because the schedule is a lot better, much more spread out.
10:47So we're not going to run into that backseason backlog where he just dies in the fantasy playoffs for us there.
10:53But again, here, Daniel Jones being ready to start the season is the big thing here.
10:58Again, the schedule here, a lot of the tough matchups spread out very evenly.
11:01So I'm still looking for I know it's a lot of touchdowns right there for him, but I'm still looking for perhaps
11:08maybe even a little increase there if they want to be a little bit more cautious in terms of the running capabilities with Daniel Jones.
11:14As long as he's still mobile, maybe it takes maybe a few weeks for him to really get back up to speed and feel comfortable on that leg.
11:22But once he's good to go, feel really good about this offense kind of repeating the trends that it had last year.
11:28All right, Jake, I was watching you sitting in your seat.
11:31I was seeing you move around a little bit, twirl a little bit.
11:35Did she cover what you wanted to go at or are you going at Tara?
11:39She dipped her toe into the pool there for where it was, and it really comes down to Daniel Jones.
11:45And I'll say that here's how I present it for overarching kind of thought here is if the Colts went 17 and
11:510 this year, Jonathan Taylor is better than LaDainian Thomason.
11:53And here's what I was going to point out.
11:56This is why he averaged 30 points per game in wins, 30.
11:59He averaged 10 in losses. And as Tara dipped her toe and said, like a lot of that came after the injury to Daniel Jones.
12:06That's the only reason that I'm kind of like, I mean, this is a team that's projected seven and a half wins.
12:12And I know that Vegas isn't perfect, but like if I'm looking at a team and that kind of description, if we're talking, it was 25 and 15.
12:20That's a little bit close, but 30 and 10 for wins versus losses.
12:24Like, I know we chased that. It's not a perfect stat, but that's just enough for me to be like in this tier.
12:30I would actually take Christian McCaffrey. I would go Christian McCaffrey, James Cook and Jonathan Taylor after both of them.
12:36But it's such let's not dismiss the point that Tara brought up, which I completely agree with.
12:40It's such a slim origin. Like, like we're not going to be like, you're stupid if you want to take Jonathan Taylor.
12:46And that's what the first and mid first round are.
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13:27All right, we are going into the one to turn and we've got a two running back battle here.
13:32I'm actually a little bit surprised by both of the decisions here you guys made.
13:36So this is going to be very cool. I guess I'm kind of going to spoil it because this is Ashton Jeanty
13:42who is RB6 versus Devon Achan who is RB7.
13:45I think if you're looking at the top two rounds, you guys are having fun discussions about the first round, small margins and whatever.
13:51But I'm not sure there is a more polarizing name right now than Devon Achan because of that offense.
13:57And I guess Jenty isn't that much less either.
13:59Both of these guys are kind of polarizing type of names.
14:02But we know that Devon Achan is very talented, but there's just a whole context of the team built around.
14:08And both of you, this is why I'm spoiling it.
14:10Both of you have picked Achan unanimously over Jenty.
14:13So, Jake, kick us off here. Was this even a tough decision, I guess, is the thing that I want to know from you.
14:20So, not so much for me. This is one where I have a little bit bigger of a gap.
14:25And it feels like – and I was actually surprised to see Terry on the same page as me because I feel
14:31like I've been on an island, so to speak, with Achan, which feels weird because it's Achan.
14:36But I just feel like he's getting too much hate at this point.
14:39And I know a lot of people are talking about the team and the scheme change.
14:44And it is Bobby Slovic. But Slovic runs very much a Shanahan offense.
14:47You know this. And no, it is not Kyle Shanahan.
14:50I'm not saying he is. I'm just saying of the usage of his running back.
14:54And people are like, well, Malik Willis won't throw to the running back as much as Tua did.
14:59To go back to the argument earlier for the Tua being in Atlanta, one of the highest rates of throwing to running backs.
15:06And I know things change with certain teams and offensive styles and all that type of stuff.
15:10But I'm not super overly concerned with Achan's touches.
15:13And so the biggest argument people are pushing back with is the Dolphins will be one of the worst teams in the league.
15:19We all know that. Ashton Gentry just came off being one of the worst offenses in the league.
15:2417 in points per game. We're all expecting it to be better.
15:27It's going to be better. How can it not be?
15:30But at the same time, if both of these offenses are bottom 10 offenses, at least I know Achan can do it on lesser touches.
15:37And maybe that completely goes sideways and this offense goes belly up.
15:40And Achan can't even do anything. And all of a sudden, he's only getting 40 targets.
15:45I just think there's a lot of ifs. Like, it's all the ifs seem to be pointing positive for everybody in Gentry.
15:51And all the ifs tend to be pointing Achan negative.
15:54And in that case, I'm going to take Achan mostly because the discount is there versus Gentry.
15:58So I've already spoiled that Tara picked Achan. Let me turn this just slightly to you, Tara.
16:03As you give your answer and you can talk about the gap.
16:06I know this isn't an option for this. But does this have the feel a little bit of like, yes, Achan, but neither?
16:13Like when this is a tough decision, is there a little bit of neither one of these guys are really?
16:18Or are you a much more pro Achan than I'm obviously giving you credit for?
16:22I'm severely pro Achan. Jake, you might have met your match there.
16:26I've been doing the same thing all offseason of defending this man.
16:29Come up with a whole spiel in terms of his defense.
16:32So, yes, it's not close for me. Although I don't dislike Gentry because, again, you know, we know the offensive line is improving.
16:39We're definitely going to quarterback approval here. So I'm not massively concerned.
16:42Kirk Cousins can check down. It's not an issue there.
16:45So no offense to Gentry whatsoever. But when I look at Achan, I see the wide receiver one of an offense, right?
16:51And I understand the concerns that people have in terms of Malik Willis checking down.
16:55Because objectively, we have not seen it. We wouldn't have seen it in Tennessee because that's Derek Henry.
17:00And we wouldn't have seen it really in Green Bay because they're very inconsistent about checkdowns.
17:04Anyway, they prefer a three down back and relying really on the early down work for the running back.
17:10So not the same kind of situation there. But Jake also touched on it in terms of Bobby Sloick saying that's the key there.
17:16If we were running into a new situation here, yeah, we could be a little bit more apprehensive.
17:21But we know Bobby Sloick was in charge of the pass game of this offense last season.
17:26So this internal promotion, the connection to Kyle Shanahan here, we know what's going on.
17:30And to defend him as well, I think he unjustly got blamed for what happened in Houston with C.J.
17:35Stroud. History has shown that is all C.J. Stroud, unfortunately.
17:38So I'm not worried here. And the main thing is that, yeah, I could be concerned about the checkdowns if that's what we're relying on.
17:45But we're not relying on the checkdowns here. A-chan lines up as a receiver.
17:49If you look at the amount of times that he lined up on the slot and outside, 106 times last season, 42 times in the slot.
17:56106 was in the slot. 42 was on the outside.
17:59For comparison, CMC lined up in the slot 93 times, 21 out wide.
18:02B. John Robinson, 98 times in the slot, 59 out wide.
18:05These are truly dynamic pass catchers. You don't rely on checkdowns in the whim of a quarterback to get the ball to them.
18:12You put it into your offense and design it.
18:14We've got the guy that designed it last season.
18:17So, no, I'm not concerned. I understand that people are sad that Mike McDaniel is gone.
18:21But to be fair, the team's been bad, right?
18:24And A-chan has been fantastic through the team in the tough times and the good times as well.
18:29So, realistically, I think this is going to potentially be a CMC type of season for him with the amount of times
18:35that he can catch the ball this season. So, it's risky, 100%.
18:38It's not a layup or a guarantee, but it's a legitimate overall RB1 upside that I'm willing to take the risk on.
18:44The pro A-chan podcast. I was not aware we were going to have that.
18:48Do you want the percentage, by the way, for all those numbers that you threw out there?
18:53The percentage, by the way, A-chan, 18.4% of the time in the slot.
18:56Number one of any running back to have at least 100 touches.
19:00Christian McCaffrey, 9.2. Half of that for your argument there to add to it.
19:04It's beautiful. Very interesting. All right. We go from the one-two turn to the mid-second round.
19:08We are going to have a three running back battle here.
19:11This is RB8, 9, and 10. We've got Chase Brown, Saquon Barkley, and the very popular Omarion Hampton.
19:16So, mid-second round, Jake, Chase Brown, Barkley, Hampton. Who's your pick?
19:19I like all of them. This is why I kind of prefer to wait a little bit, maybe take a wide receiver,
19:25because these are in the same tier of people that we're talking about so far.
19:29And I would take Chase Brown. I feel like that if you look at Brown, we kind of did this last year.
19:35We're like, hey, we hope that the Bengals leave him alone.
19:38And they pretty much did. And, you know, we saw somewhat of a share coming in.
19:43And he was Chase Brown. He was basically what we ever wanted, even when things were going bad.
19:48And things were bad, and it wasn't as good as it could be for, like, a top-five running back.
19:53But he's still producing. The biggest worry and concern for Chase Brown is the rushing touchdowns.
19:57And, again, he's pretty much been left alone this year.
20:00You worry about Piran and the rest. I'm not Taj Brooks, whatever it might be.
20:04Anyway, Chase Brown is going to get his workload again.
20:07If Joe Burrow is healthy and this offense clicks like it has been, you're talking about somebody that pushes the upper teens,
20:13the upper, like 15, 16, 17 points per game.
20:16Again, the only concern being the rushing touchdowns. And I'm not saying this as just, like, it's going to sound throwaway, like there's no basis for it.
20:23But we talk about touchdown variants. We talk about James Cook.
20:26And I know that the Bengals do pass a lot when they're inside the red zone.
20:31But what if he even doubles, like just goes from 5 to 10, 6 to 12?
20:35Like, what if he gets in that 10 to 12 range for rushing touchdowns?
20:39Chase Brown will be in the conversation for the top five, just like James Cook.
20:43And that's really what it comes down to. I like all of them.
20:47But if I'm chasing somebody who I think has the biggest ceiling to get through by just one small thing changing, like
20:53I'm not asking for more in the passing game.
20:55I'm not asking for more of this, more of that, more of whatever.
20:59I'm just asking a little bit more touchdown upside.
21:01And all of a sudden we're talking about top five running back.
21:05Are the RB decisions getting tougher? Tara, you've got three.
21:08We got Chase Brown, Saquon Barkley, O'Marrion Hampton. Brown has been picked.
21:11How tough is this? Where are you going? No, this one's not tough.
21:14Honestly, you know, again, this is a good range.
21:17Like Jake was saying, you can start off with wide receiver and then turn around and get any one of these guys.
21:23You can't go wrong. I lean towards Saquon Barkley on this one just because of the guys in this group.
21:29And this is the one that I know for a fact can be the overall RB1.
21:33You know, and it's good because we've actually I've been higher than consensus on him all offseason.
21:38And finally, he's starting to push back into a more appropriate category.
21:41I thought that we were going to end up getting him in like round three.
21:45So this nice mid round two is a nice little happy medium for him because there is inherent risk, obviously, with, you
21:51know, the Philadelphia offense and all the changes that it's going through.
21:55But I don't think that's necessarily bad for Saquon Barkley.
21:57You can be maybe a little apprehensive of the pass game if you've got issues with Jalen Hurts.
22:02I'm not I'm not overly concerned, but if there are concerns about helping this pass game get along and acclimate into its
22:08new identity with a new head coach as well.
22:11They're going to lean on Saquon Barkley because that is what won them a Super Bowl.
22:15Leaning on Saquon Barkley was the magic sauce here.
22:18And I don't think they tried to get away from him last season.
22:21There was just obviously overall issues with the Eagles offense.
22:24They've again, unfortunately, they tend to go through this issue of losing your offensive coordinators, having to replace and they replaced with the wrong option last season.
22:32So that had a major effect. On top of that, he was coming off of the dumbest workload possible in terms of
22:38what he had to do in 2024. Over 340 carries plus all of the postseason work.
22:42I mean, it was over 2000 yards. It was ridiculous.
22:45So, you know, unfortunately, that does often come with regression in the next season.
22:49So his lack of extreme upside in 2025, if not, is not an overly major concern.
22:53I love him for a bounce back this season.
22:56Leaning aggressively on him in terms of getting those carries back up, better efficiency as they continue to retool the offense.
23:02And then, of course, the touchdowns as well. And I'm actually excited to see Sean Mannion coming from Green Bay.
23:07Obviously, when we're looking at what Green Bay does, again, we talked about it earlier with Ajan.
23:12In terms of Green Bay's system not going to Miami, Green Bay's system, for the most part, there's going to be differences, right?
23:18We're heading over to Philadelphia here. And I think what we'll carry over is the reliance on the running back in a traditional three-down fashion there.
23:25So we're going to get Saquon back on track here.
23:28Tell you, this is a tough range. I think they're all very likable because I think there's an easy case for a Marion Hampton in this as well.
23:36I really love him on the back half of this.
23:39Sometimes he even slides into like a third round like McDaniel.
23:42And there's so much to like about Hampton. But there is a safety net, I think, that you get provided in Barkley.
23:48There's an offensive upside in what Chase Brown can be.
23:51And Hampton maybe sits on the lower tiers. But I don't think that would have been an incorrect answer if we had gone to Marion Hampton.
23:58I think they're all good. I agree. Yeah, they are.
24:00Now, the next group, we're going to go to the 2-3 turn.
24:04This is a weird group. Now we're going to get into like weird groupings of players because not one player is really like the other.
24:11We've got Derek Henry at RB11. We've got Ken Walker at 12.
24:14And we've got the 13th RB, Jeremiah Love. So have fun with this.
24:18This is a weird group. Maybe it's going to be super easy because I think there's like one kind of defining name in this.
24:24But from RB11, 12, and 13, it's a very eclectic group.
24:27Jake, where are you going? Are you going to play an upside play?
24:31Are you going to go with a new offensive skein upside?
24:34Or is this going to go with what we know in Derek Henry?
24:38Well, if things go wrong in that branch that Tara and I are on for A-chan breaks and it's going to hit
24:44dead Derek Henry on the way down. Because I'm on this until he's dead at this point.
24:48I understand everybody's concerned that, oh, it's going to get to Derek Henry.
24:52It's going to get to Derek Henry. He had a decrease in rushing efficiency last year.
24:56The guy still averaged 5.2 yards per carry on 300 carries.
24:59It was a decrease by Derek Henry's standards. Let's be honest.
25:02And he still ran for 16 touchdowns. Which, by the way, involved an offense that didn't really have 100% Lamar Jackson for most of the season.
25:10Let's make that clear, too. And if you look at what's behind Derek Henry, yeah, somebody will be involved possibly in the
25:16passing game because he's never going to be that guy.
25:19But he doesn't need to be. He's proven that for his entire career.
25:22Does he get back to 18 to 20 points per game?
25:25Probably not. But as a back-end RB1 in this group, Kenneth Walker, we're hoping he gets the workload for the Chiefs.
25:31But time and again, we've seen the Chiefs, whether it's De Mercado or Aramut Johnson, whoever it was, their lead option shares the passing game work.
25:38We're hoping that contract tells us otherwise. But we're hoping.
25:41Jeremiah Love, we're hoping he gets all that work despite the fact that they signed Tyler Algier and still have one of
25:47the bodies of Benson and Connor left hanging around with either of them getting on the field.
25:52What's his workload going to look like as a rookie?
25:55He's on one of the worst teams in the league.
25:57Does he have a genti-like rookie season? I just think the answer is take what you know and that Derek Henry is
26:03going to be the beast he's always been. His drop-off is the ceiling for a ton of other running backs.
26:09Still had almost 16.5 points per game last year.
26:11Again, with an offense that was kind of dysfunctional by Raven standards that Doyle's coming in and everybody's talking positively.
26:17I know he didn't call the plays, but everybody even from the team that he was just with, with the Bears, were
26:23talking about how good he was and how great the next mind is.
26:27And this is another one. If you don't want to believe that and say that's all speculation, that's fine.
26:32But it's frustrating when you watch people who are like, well, this is a great mind that's going from play caller to offensive coordinator or blah, blah, blah.
26:40And we do that in certain situations, but then we talk against it the other side.
26:44Like this is one of the ones where it just feels like everybody's like, eh, you know what?
26:49I'm kind of done with the Ravens. And I take that as our advantage.
26:53You know, the one thing that's sticking in my brain that you mentioned is like, if you had to also, Terry, maybe you can answer this.
27:00If you have to answer the question when we're not talking about Derek Henry of what do you trust more?
27:06Do you trust the chiefs go against what they've done in the past because of the contract?
27:10And they have having a real running back and Ken Walker and him getting the volume.
27:15Or do you trust the equity of what the Cardinals spent in Jeremiah Love despite having all these running backs?
27:20Which running back do you think is a better bet if you're going to bet on them having the volume play?
27:26Is it the contract and chiefs offense or is it the number four overall pick with the Cardinals and Love's talent?
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28:49Again, you know, better offense. I think that's what it would come down to.
28:52Because, you know, like Jake was saying, we're hoping that there's this ashen-genti type of season.
28:57But at the same time, are we really? Because overall-wise, yeah, that was cool.
29:01But there were times where it was very inconsistent in terms of you having a great week because the receptions are there.
29:07And he does manage to crack some yardage. And then there were the dreadful weeks where you were looking at 20 yards there.
29:13So we're looking for an ashen-genti season, but an upgraded version perhaps.
29:17Because Jacoby Brissett can throw the ball. But at the same time, it's just a risk, right?
29:21Which is why we're getting the discount. We're not drafting him up there at egregious levels.
29:26But at the same time, probably going with the safer Patrick Mahomes and Kansas City offense where you know what you're at least getting as a baseline there.
29:33Yeah. But your answer, though, is not Ken Walker.
29:36You are joining the Derrick Henry. No. Yeah, I am.
29:39I am. And this was actually the one that I debated for a long time because this was the one that made me actually adjust my rankings.
29:46Because I went in and I'm looking at the picks here.
29:49And I'm like, oh, of course, Derrick Henry. And then I like to bump it up to my rankings just to make
29:55sure I'm not being a hypocrite there. And I was like, oh, wait a second.
29:59I am being a hypocrite. Whoops. That doesn't make sense.
30:02So I thought about it. And I'm like, OK.
30:05It's kind of like what Jake was saying. I felt like he was in my head, which is a good thing because
30:11if I'm in his head and he's in my head and he's very smart, that must mean that I'm smart by proxy.
30:17So that's wonderful. But I feel like we're just like hoping, you know, for the optimism of Kenneth Walker being unlocked because he's out of Seattle.
30:24We'll get him being a three down back. And, you know, everything's going to be opened up with a prolific quarterback of Patrick Mahomes.
30:31So there's just going to be these wide open lanes, big yardage, touchdown opportunities here.
30:35Great. But we know what's going to happen with Derrick Henry, even by, as Jake was mentioning, by last year's standards.
30:41I mean, still, the man averaged over five yards per carry, and that was in a defunct offense for the vast majority of the season.
30:48There's no mystery there. As long as the Ravens offense is operating at remotely inoptable level, you're getting 15 touchdowns because they're,
30:54you know, obviously they're protecting Lamar Jackson. They don't run him at the goal line.
30:58So the offense moves. There's a guarantee. It just needs to be a competitive game here.
31:02So it's just the safer option there. You know what you're getting.
31:06I want to root for the upside of Kenneth Walker, right?
31:09But apples to apples, I'm going to go with the safest, most reliable known upside here.
31:13If you feel you have Jake in your head, please seek medical attention.
31:17That's happened to me once. I went through, I went through a whole thing getting Jake out of my head.
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33:14All right. We are moving to the late third round.
33:17We've got RB's 14, 15, and 16. So we've got another battle of threes.
33:21We've got Kyron Williams who comes in at RB 14, according to Fantasy Pros.
33:24Brees Hall at 15. And Josh Jacobs at 16.
33:27There are questions. Lots of questions. Specifically around Mr.
33:291 Josh Jacobs. And you two apparently seem to have your answers.
33:33Because this is another one I'm spoiling because you guys have decided to go in together in on this.
33:38Josh Jacobs is your answer over Kyron Williams with Blake Corum looming.
33:41Over Brees Hall. Jets. So talk to us about why Josh Jacobs' situation is less scary than either one of those, Jake.
33:47Because what Tara said earlier in the show is that three down back and Josh Jacobs is their three down back.
33:53Even as bad as it was in the run department last year, didn't have 1,000 rushing yards.
33:58He was top 10 points per game ahead of Kyron Williams.
34:01Not by far. And I'm actually going to kind of take your question and leave more on the plate for Tara.
34:07Because if it turns out to be an all-field situation that does continue – I know it is, I'm saying, one that continues into the season.
34:14That's what I was alluding to. Yeah. Yeah. It's a very concerning one, so let's make that clear.
34:19I'm not trying to dismiss that or whatever. But if it does affect his season, then I would go Kyron.
34:25And I wanted to talk a little bit about him because if this situation does play out that way, Kyron Williams, it
34:31seems to me – this is another one that feels like he's getting a little too much hate.
34:36And everybody's like, well, Corum, Corum, Corum. And what if he gets 40% of the work, which I think is a weird
34:42number for people to throw out because he had 39% of the work last year.
34:46Like, okay, so this 1% is going to ruin Kyron Williams' season?
34:49Like, I know that the Rams have gone away from bell cow usage and Sean McVay talks up everybody like it's the
34:55best player he's ever seen in his life on his roster.
34:58But this is nothing new. And the Kyron Williams situation is nothing new.
35:02It's going to be 60-40. Would we love it if it was 70?
35:06Sure. But Kyron Williams is Kyron Williams and one of the best offenses.
35:09And the only way this goes wrong is if Matthew Stafford gets hurt.
35:13But we don't care about that when it comes to Puka Nakua, Devante Adams, and the rest of the team.
35:18But we do for some reason with Kyron Williams.
35:21So I wanted to kind of turn this a little bit more on the fact that if it's not Josh Jacobs for
35:27me because even as bad as things were last year, he still did really well.
35:31And he has a three down back, as Tara said.
35:34Then my next choice would be Kyron over the rest.
35:37So, Tara, then how about this? Should there be ifs with Josh Jacobs?
35:40It really, I think, only just sits around – I mean, we did this on a mock draft episode.
35:45We had Rich Rebar on, and he kind of was just like, hey, I'm going with Josh Jacobs.
35:50Not worried about it. No off-field. The current thing that's looming, like I love the equity, da-da-da.
35:55Should we have more of a concern about the what-ifs on the off-field?
35:59Or should we just dispel that now and just not worry about that and have to have like a – if it comes, it comes, and it happens.
36:06But we should just move forward with Josh Jacobs.
36:09Yeah, I'm on the – we're not worrying about it, ranking him as is.
36:13Because, you know, often these times, unfortunately, like often we see the issue happen and we don't see it affect the season until later.
36:19So unless something happens over the next month or so, just proceed as like, hey, this is the guy.
36:25But I think maybe what we should kind of key in on as well is that we do need to look at
36:31Marshawn Lloyd a little bit more in terms of somebody who is being undervalued as a handcuff in terms of, you know,
36:37while he's not – you know, he's not next in the depth chart, but the Packers have made it very clear like
36:43that would, in fact, be the next man up if he were to finally stay healthy here.
36:48So that's kind of my perspective on that because, again, the Green Bay offense, just – the reliability that you get in
36:54terms of knowing that a touchdown – it was the most guaranteed anytime bet last season before he got injured in terms
37:00of knowing that touchdowns were coming back to back to back to back.
37:03I mean, prior to his injury in week 11, the man had one game without a rushing touchdown.
37:08That's absolutely insane here. Just the reliability and the overall upside and the fact that you won't have those weeks where he
37:14completely whiffs is just too much to pass up because of the what if this happens, right?
37:19Obviously, if things happen towards the season, we can make those adjustments.
37:22But I do go to bat in terms of thinking that we're also going to have a bounce-back season from Jacobs as
37:29well because the overall numbers look nasty. But as a Packers fan, I do have to jump in and say that is
37:35unfortunately because he tried to play through games towards the end of the season where he was injured.
37:40And so you have a lot of nasty games where there were like very limited snaps, four or five carries there that are factored in.
37:47If you eliminate those, there was zero issue in terms of the pace that he was on and the efficiency.
37:52So apples to apples, a fully healthy season there.
37:55For the price that you're getting right here, you just can't beat it.
37:58All right. We're moving to the fifth round and let's put up a four.
38:02It's the four horsemen of the fifth round. I don't exactly know who Ric Flair is going to be or Arn Anderson,
38:08Jake, on which ones you want to annoy. But we do have four running backs in this fifth round that we are going to be battling out here.
38:16Quinjon Judkins comes in at RB20. Bucky Irving at RB21.
38:19DeAndre Swift at RB22. And Travion Henderson at 23.
38:21Very eclectic group of different issues and upside and reasoning.
38:24So of these four RB horsemen here, what side are you going with, Jake?
38:28Yeah, this one's so close that I originally had a different name and I had the same as Tara.
38:33So let her take that one because I could see the upside a little bit more for the one I ended up going with.
38:40I think the safest one in this entire range is DeAndre Swift.
38:43Like if you just want DeAndre Swift and just want to get fringe RB2 value, which I think that's why people don't love DeAndre Swift.
38:50That's who you go with. Would that be like Dean Malenko?
38:53Wasn't he a four horsemen? Yeah, there he is.
38:55He's like the Dean Malenko of the group. So I'm getting really wrestling nerdy for no reason.
39:00I was going to say, a real good grappler.
39:03The Bucky Irving one, I could see going either way.
39:05Like I kind of feel like this is going to be wrong.
39:09Like if we get really positive news, he's going to move up health-wise.
39:12If we get less and less and it seems to be iffier, we're going to talk about Gainwell later.
39:18I think he could even move down. But for Henderson, for the ceiling, I'm somebody – and I'm taking the stance as somebody who's been out there.
39:25Like let's not just completely just throw away Ramondre Stevenson.
39:28When they were both healthy at the end of the season, it was Stevenson.
39:32And then Henderson was the 40 – Henderson was the Warren to Najee Harris at the end of the season.
39:37To go back to the Steelers from a few years ago.
39:40And unfortunately, that looks like it could be the case this year.
39:44Except for there is some talk. We're starting to get some of that like, hey, let's remember how good Henderson is as a prospect.
39:50How explosive he was. Because the interesting thing about that – and I'm talking against my own player – is that in
39:56the passing game on per-touch basis, Stevenson was even better than Henderson towards the end of the year.
40:01But I think the biggest question is do we really expect that to carry over?
40:06Or was that we just saw this really good stretch from the best of what we've seen from Ramondre Stevenson?
40:11And there's still more to unlock with Henderson. So if I'm looking in this group, I think you can kind of make an argument.
40:18Like I said, I originally had Judkins. So I'll let Tara talk there about somebody who could finish top 15.
40:23But I think if things break right and the split goes the other way in the sense of being a 60-40 Henderson
40:29split, I think in this offense, Henderson could hit the top 15.
40:33And I know a lot of people would be excited about that.
40:36I was trying to get it all in. As you can tell, that's what that was at the end.
40:41And I think people are dying to know what the grouping of the four horsemen they are.
40:46I think Bucky is probably more the Ric Flair here.
40:49Judkins is probably the Arnie Henderson. Just kind of hurt.
40:51Yeah. Yeah. Well, and also Arnie, you know, like not reception, just pounding it in.
40:56Like, you know, he's a brute force. And that's Quinchon Judkins here, Tara.
40:59And that's your pick of these four RBs. So talk to us about Judkins.
41:03Yeah. He's the three down back here. I know we don't think of him as a, you know, he's not a prolific pass catcher.
41:10But three down back who can, in fact, handle checkdowns, easily handles 20-plus carries on a regular basis there.
41:15I mean, we're talking about Swift shares a backfield, which I don't think is a massive concern because they are, Chicago is deceptively run heavy.
41:22So I don't think it's an issue. He's a very safe pick.
41:25Henderson shares a backfield where occasionally he is not the starter.
41:28Bucky Irving, you know, and this is the one where I think, like Jake, I was saying is very interesting because we
41:34could go one way or the other here. But again, I talked a little bit about how his offensive coordinator is now
41:40Zach Robinson, who gave those Tyler Algier touches over Bijan Robinson.
41:43So it makes me a little uncomfortable. Judkins is the one that I really trust the most here, which is surprising because
41:50it is definitely the least trustworthy offense of the grouping there.
41:53But we're talking about a man who had four RB1 weeks despite playing behind an objectively awful offensive line, flipping through multiple quarterbacks where they're only receiving threats.
42:00Sorry, Jerry Judy was in fact a rookie tight end.
42:03The Browns are upgrading for what it is worth.
42:06They are changing to a new scheme. I think, you know, offensively, this could be a better situation for the quarterbacks.
42:11They have new talent on a completely retooled offensive line.
42:14By the grace of God, hopefully they can figure out something at quarterback and get some kind of remote strong quarterback play.
42:20You know, a girl can dream on that one.
42:23But what I do know is that, again, this is a three down back that has a team where the defense.
42:29I know we just lost Miles Garrett, but I feel like people are underestimating the talent of Jared Verse a little bit here.
42:35So this defense is obviously going to take a hit, but it's still very strong.
42:39These will be competitive games. So as long as this offensive line kind of halfway at least pans out in terms of
42:45all the changes that they've made, and then we've got the addition of all of the receiving talent from these two talented
42:51rookies as well, things will be looking slightly up for the Browns, up enough to feel super confident in their offense.
42:57No, but up enough to where I know that this man is going to have a certain amount of carries.
43:03I trust that given the carries, he is going to get a thousand yards and double-digit touchdowns is very reasonable because realistically
43:09his 17-game pace was just under a thousand yards last season with zero offseason preparation, right?
43:13So all of this is heading in a positive direction.
43:16I feel good and comfortable about this one, especially in the range.
43:19So if you're getting your guy early and then you want to dip back and get a strong candidate for RB2 in
43:25terms of workload with upside, if things can trend in a positive direction for the Browns a little bit there, Judkins is the guy for me.
43:33Okay, mid-sixth round, we are going to be playing an upside running back game because two guys with a lot of theoretical
43:39upside, I think a lot of people are putting in as a target of a RB2 or, you know, I don't know,
43:45maybe even an RB1 if they're really playing the waiting game in here.
43:48But we've got RB25 and 26 in Basial Tootin and Jadarian Price.
43:52These are around the mid-60s of drafts, so pending 10-12, you know, format that you're playing in.
43:56A lot of questions, I think, just in general about what, you know, Tootin's actual role in the offense, but the same
44:02thing goes on with Price that's going to play out there.
44:05So, Jake, a little bit tougher one, maybe on upside, what side are you going to go with, Price or Tootin?
44:11Yeah, I'm going with Price on this one. And I think, so a lot of it comes into play with Charbonnet.
44:17And there's been talk that we were just a month ago saying Charbonnet might not play until December, if all of the
44:23season, all of a sudden people seem to be waxing positively saying like, oh, you know, he could be out there October, even towards the end of September.
44:31Or I'll be one of those people like, let me wait and see it, because I still don't believe that the timeline points to November, the average timeline.
44:39So to get out there aggressively ahead of that, we've seen before that nine out of ten times getting out aggressively even
44:45just means a re-injury or they don't look the same.
44:48So I'm not worried about Charbonnet. So I'm going to go to the next step here is that everybody was before the
44:54injury from last season when we're talking about, hey, Kenneth Walker is a free agent.
44:58Well, look at Charbonnet going into next year. Charbonnet's got no competition behind him.
45:02And all of a sudden people are like, well, they signed Emmanuel Wilson and George Helani.
45:06And like all credit to those players, they're fine backups, but I don't think they're the ilk of Jadarian Price.
45:12And let me make this clear. I don't think Price is an exceptional pass catcher.
45:16I do think he's better than people realize, similar to Jonathan Taylor coming out of college.
45:20And I would still take Taylor passing game over Price.
45:23But the offense, Notre Dame playing with Jeremiah Love masked a lot.
45:26Like they didn't need Price in the passing game.
45:29So my biggest comp for this has been Raheem Mostert.
45:32It's like that rushing threat, the one who really hits the gaps.
45:35They love his speed and his ability, which is why they talk about in the return game.
45:40Well, Raheem Mostert in this offense, which is that style, you put Price in this offense, and that's where the upside is going to come.
45:46I like Tootin, but I actually, and this might sound crazy to some people, I think Chris Rodriguez is a bigger threat
45:53to Tootin than anybody in the backfield to Jadarian Price.
45:55I don't think it's a massive difference. I would just take my, like if I'm betting, like I would take the odds
46:01that I'm right about 240, 250 touches for Price.
46:04And I think Tootin falls into the 200. At the end of the day, 200 and 240, they might have equitable numbers
46:10because of the offense that Tootin's in and his ability.
46:13But I'm just going to take the touch as a slight favorite for Price.
46:17Again, another one where I know Tara's going the other way.
46:20I'm not going to call her crazy for it.
46:22I call a lot of people crazy, especially Joe, but this is one where like you're fine if you want to go the other way.
46:29Yeah, it's perfect, Tara. You're going on the other side.
46:32This is a tough decision. You guys are on opposite ends.
46:35So what is your play for Tootin over Price?
46:37It is, yeah. And to be fair to Price, I think, you know, I think Price is probably the safer bet in
46:43terms of being sure that he's going to get into a certain range of carries for sure, regardless of when Charbonnet does come back there.
46:50I will say I'm getting spooked. I am getting a little spooked there.
46:54But when it comes to Basial Tootin and the Jags offense, it's a lot riskier because I know for sure what I'm getting with Price.
47:01But I also know that nine times out of ten, more than likely, we're not going to get the level of volume
47:07that could make him a weekly top ten back.
47:09But it is possible for Basial Tootin. It's possible that this Jags committee or running back room operates as a committee, right?
47:16It's not as if Travis Etienne was pushing prolific volume last season, right?
47:19It was, you know, the Jags were run-ish heavy, but a lot of that was Trevor Lawrence picking up the pace a
47:25little bit towards the back half of the season.
47:28But when it comes to this backfield, like Chris Rodriguez is exclusively an early down and goal linebacker.
47:33And obviously a lot of, you know, noise has been made about the connection that he has to or with Liam Cohen in college.
47:39But that also means that Liam Cohen knows his limitations and the fact that this can't be a three down back.
47:45The man caught 13 passes in college. It's not possible.
47:48We know that about him. When we're looking at Tootin, I'm not saying he's the second coming of CMC or anything, but
47:54between the two, I know that that is the only one that could theoretically be a three down back.
47:59And we haven't heard any kind of noise in terms of LeQuint Allen Jr.
48:03being more than a passing's down contributor as well.
48:06And when we're doing apples to apples, Chris Rodriguez is obviously very good at the goal line.
48:10But I feel like we might be underestimating and giving some kind of automatic preference there when we actually saw some preference
48:16with Tootin at the goal line last year. It just kind of goes overlooked because he wasn't the lead back, but he
48:23was actually very strong on the ground in terms of red zone efficiency last season.
48:27He had 23 attempts inside the red zone. Not a ton, right?
48:30Because he was not the lead back. He converted four of those into touchdowns.
48:34All four of those were inside the five. His conversion rate was actually more impressive than Travis Etienne, my Clemson boy there.
48:40He also had two red zone receptions, four touchdowns.
48:42That's a very specific level of trust at the goal line for a rookie.
48:46So for Liam Cohen to have that level of trust in Tootin as a rookie, to make the assumption that Rodriguez is
48:52going to get the preference and all of a sudden that's going to go away, I don't know if I buy it here.
48:59So it's an upside play for sure. It's high risk.
49:02There is no guarantee here. This could just be an ugly, messy committee.
49:05But there is the what if possibility of this man could legitimately just be the guy for the Jags.
49:10Looking at all of these really tough decisions, one thing that stands out even more clear, if you guys haven't gone into
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50:07Do it today. All right, friends, it is lightning round time.
50:10You guys have done a fantastic job of all of your great breakdowns, but now you got to zip it.
50:16And now you got to roll. And now you got to give us quick answers.
50:20No craziness here because we got a lot of debates here.
50:23So a couple sentences. Make your best case. Make the chat happy at the bottom.
50:27Make everybody on your side. And we will start with a big one.
50:31In the mid-seventh round, Tony Pollard, Ramondre Stevenson, Chuba Hubbard, Enrico Dowdle.
50:34Four names. Jake, your quick decision in the lightning round.
50:37Who are you taking and why? The one that I don't even love to do.
50:41It's Tony Pollard. The difference before with the wins and losses, 17 for him, seven in losses.
50:46He was garbage in losses. But maybe Brian Dable helps this offense to what we hope he can be as offense coordinator.
50:52Maybe, you know, maybe, maybe, maybe. There's a lot here.
50:55But the Titans are middle pack offense. And Tony Pollard is getting 60% of the work.
50:59And that's a lot of maybes. Then he can be an RB too.
51:03Top 20. Pollard, Stevenson, Hubbard, Dowdle, Tara. Which one?
51:05It is Hubbard for me. It's Hubbard for now.
51:08This could change. But I like Brooks' potential here.
51:10But we do have to admit that the injury history does not bode very well.
51:14The Panthers want to lean on the ground game.
51:17They made significant investments into the offensive line. I feel good about either one of these guys.
51:22But obviously, the big injury risk there is with Brooks.
51:24So Chuba Hubbard could end up being a three down back again and being the guy that we always knew he was from like two seasons ago.
51:32So I'm going to, I'm going to lean that direction there.
51:35All right. Early eighth round. We've got RJ Harvey versus Kyle Monongai versus Blake Corum.
51:39The battle are these backups or these two, what ones, twos, what the hell are they?
51:43And how do they fit for the scheme of my team?
51:47Jake, Harvey, Monongai, Blake Corum. I can't believe Harvey fell back far enough that I now want Harvey.
51:51Like I didn't want Harvey inside the top 20.
51:54And then, but it's like they signed JK Dobbins and people full on panic because there's ranks were in the side of the top 20.
52:01And I know that Dobbins was better. Nobody's going to disagree about that.
52:04And Harvey wasn't a thing until Dobbins got hurt.
52:07But Dobbins hasn't been healthy for entire season basically forever.
52:10When it comes to Monongai and Corum, I get the upside.
52:13If anything were to happen to Laird, lead option.
52:15But I don't know. This is a Jonah Coleman fear.
52:18Do we not know what? But like Sean Payton doesn't just throw out rookie running backs and give them a ton of work.
52:24Like I don't get this one. Harvey inside the top 20?
52:27No. Harvey at 32? Every single time for me.
52:30All right. Harvey, Monongai, Corum, Tara, which one? I just want nothing to do with Harvey.
52:34I get it. I do. I don't trust Sean Payton to let anybody be the three down back there.
52:40Can't do it. Give me Kyle Monongai. Just in this range.
52:43He's a handcuff. He's a high end handcuff. DeAndre Swift goes down.
52:46League winning upside. Mid ninth round. We are now going to RB 36, 37 and 38.
52:50We've got Kenny Gainwell, Aaron Jones and Rashad White.
52:53Rashad White, a very popular pick amongst a lot of people thinking he could take the top job.
52:58But is that over Aaron Jones and Kenny Gainwell?
53:00Jake, what say you? Yeah. And you said Zibit, but I will bring White into the same conversation for Tara's point there with Monongai.
53:07Would anybody be shocked if Monongai takes the lead this year?
53:10And I think that's the thing with White. Would I be shocked if White's the lead?
53:15Like I know everybody loves Krosky Merritt and there was excitement for him last year.
53:19But Ben Standigo covers the commanders even said that if anything was going to happen with him, it'd be later in the
53:25season because he basically had played one game in two seasons.
53:28And he flashed at times, but they brought in Rashad White who actually fits a little bit better for what they're going
53:34to be doing this year with Blau. So I'm taking White because he could be the lead, but it's a full-blown committee.
53:40I don't really love him. I don't really want anything to do with Aaron Jones.
53:44Go watch the one that I just did with Fitz and Joe.
53:47I wanted to say the other one, which I'll let Tara, but I've talked about him so much on this network and
53:54I didn't want to double down on this one.
53:56So my real pick would be Tara's, but I just went different just for this one reason.
54:01By the way, it is impossible doing lightning round with these smart people.
54:04They just, you guys have too many great takes.
54:07That's why I had to publicly call you on this.
54:10You did good. No, you're doing good. I want it.
54:12You had your little zip comment, but I want to say you're doing a good job about this.
54:17It's tough. You guys have all the great takes.
54:20People want to hear it, but it's lightning round.
54:22Tara, lightning round. Kenny Gainwell, Aaron Jones, Rashad White.
54:25I too love to. Yeah, Bucky be short. Gainwell.
54:27That's my soft spot. I'm multi-year. Gainwell truther here.
54:30I don't trust Bucky's health. Again, bounce back for the Bucs offense here for everybody.
54:34Don't trust Aaron Jones to make it through the season.
54:37Rashad White, cool. Not a major issue, but Gainwell is the lane for me.
54:41Well, you know what we should do, by the way?
54:43We should have had a timer that the amount of time you talked in lightning round at the very end.
54:49I'm just throwing this out to the editor. It's all that you left.
54:52Ooh, yeah. And then you just have the amount of time they talked in lightning round and see who won that.
54:58Oh, I thought you were going to say like you got four minutes total and then like once you're out, like that was it.
55:05Ooh, that would have been a good idea too.
55:07Yeah, and you just speed through. These are all great ideas for future lightning rounds.
55:12I love you guys. All right, 11 to 12.
55:14We got two more here. 11 to 12 turn.
55:17We've got a couple, four more backs here. Tyler Algier at 43.
55:20Jonathan Brooks, Zach Charbonnet and Woody Marks. What a collection there.
55:23Jake, kick us off here of these 43 to 46 at RB.
55:26Yeah, I've already made my piece about Charbonnet and Algier is timeshare at best.
55:30Unless injury, but I'll take Jonathan Brooks as the chance.
55:33Like, look, I don't guarantee this. We don't know if he's 100% or looks anything like we knew the Jonathan Brooks was.
55:39But if he is, if he is anything like he looked when he came out of college, he's taking the job without an injury.
55:46But that's the big question. So I'll just take the upside chance that that can happen.
55:50Tara, what say you about those four running backs?
55:53You going to join Jake in this one? I am.
55:55Jonathan Brooks. Same deal. You know, I like Tuba Hubbard because I like both of them.
56:00I want some piece of this running back game because someone is going to be the lead back here.
56:05One person will be. They upgraded their offensive line.
56:07They want to lead on the run. Um, so all good there.
56:11Uh, if he can stay healthy again, we have seen time and time again, people steal jobs like hotcakes in, um, this Panthers offense.
56:17So no one's job is safe. He could definitely earn it.
56:20Uh, the final one, the final tough decision, a lot of crazy ones we've been having here, but the final of the
56:27tough RB decisions here is late, late running back pick here.
56:30We've got Brian Robinson at RB 51. Keaton Mitchell at 52.
56:33Tank Bigsby at RB 53. And the RB 54, uh, mentioned a little bit ago, Jonah Coleman.
56:37So Jake final one here of these four running backs.
56:40These are going to be more bench backs. You're making the bet on, uh, how tough is this decision and who did you pick?
56:47Yeah. I like Keaton Mitchell if I need a flex option, but if anything were to happen, I don't think Keaton Mitchell
56:53is getting the full workload and shots fired on the sidebar for a Tara's pick, but I don't think Tank Bigsby is
56:59getting a full workload because not a big pass catcher.
57:02I think he shares more than people might assume.
57:04And I'm not saying that Tara is saying that we'll find out what Tara has to say.
57:09Jonah Coleman. I don't think it's the full workload.
57:11The one person in this group I do, if the lead option gets hurt is Brian Robinson.
57:16Who's behind them? Tyler Goodson, Nathan Carter, and Cash Money Jones out there.
57:20Like, I don't even know. Like I have, I have, I don't have a profile on Cash Jones to make that clear of what's behind that.
57:27So Brian Robinson, in my opinion of these four bell cow workload, if the lead option gets hurt.
57:32And that's why. All right, Tara, what say you?
57:34Tank Bigsby just give me the handcuff and the run heaviest offense.
57:38We talked about it with Saquon. They are going to lean on the ground game.
57:42So if something were to happen to him, boom.
57:44I mean, we've seen the upside goal line touchdowns as well.
57:47So that is my lean there. Just grabbing the guy that I think is the highest upside handcuff option there.
57:53I think Tara might've won the lightning round. I gotta be honest with you.
57:57I think Tara might've had the most succinct in there.
58:00Didn't also call me out about telling you to zip it, Jake.
58:03So Tara wins. Tara wins a lightning round. That's official.
58:06I wasn't calling you out. I was actually making an apology for myself.
58:09I know, I know. I was trying to be nice to you.
58:13The last time I did that. We're anointing. We're anointing Tara, the winner of the lightning round.
58:17But what say you in the comments below, how tough were these decisions?
58:21What was the toughest? And did you have another take?
58:24You know, there were a couple of backs that weren't even talked about in these, especially when we have the three or four.
58:30So hopefully you guys can go and put some of these tough decisions to the test in the draft simulator.
58:36Go start playing with that. And you can go and check out the ranks.
58:39We've got great articles. We've got everything over at Fantasy Pros, but you can check out inside of put to test of
58:46the ranks that we've talked about here, the ADP.
58:48And you can use the draft simulator when you're doing all that great stuff.
58:52You can also go check out everything Jake's got going over at The Athletic.
58:56Tara, thank you so much for the time. Hopefully you guys all enjoyed it.
59:00For Jake and Tara, I'm Chris Welsh. We'll talk to you next time right here on Fantasy Pros.
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