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0:10It's The Extra Point right here on FantasyPros. I am Chris Welsh.
0:13That is Andrew Erickson. And today we are going to be talking with our incredible studio audience, you guys, the producers of
0:20this show, the People's Podcast, because you guys produce it.
0:23We actually have a little bit prepped for this show, which we rarely do, because you guys get to tell us what we're going with.
0:30And you also are going to be hearing your voices because we invite you guys to come on.
0:35It's a live studio audience. Raise your hands, come in, kind of like an old school radio show, and then you're going
0:42to talk and we're going to talk fantasy, whatever it is, whether it's trades, whether it's draft, whatever you got.
0:48You can come join us, FantasyPros.com slash chat on the Discord every Thursday at 2 p.m.
0:52Eastern. You want to know why it's also really good, Erickson, to come and join live, not just because you get it a day before?
0:59You want to know why? I know why. It's not rhetorical.
1:03Oh, you know why. Okay. Because when the show messes up and maybe a certain person that hosts the show screws it
1:09up and it doesn't air as a podcast, literally only the people that were in here, we did a show for them.
1:15You got your own individualized show. That's why there wasn't a show last week.
1:20I was actually trying to be better. I had these filters on to try to get rid of noise gates to make
1:26everybody's life a little bit easier, and I made everybody's life worse because my audio was all screwed up, and we were able to have no podcast.
1:34So sorry, Erickson. Sorry, buddy. It was a banger episode, but for those that were in the Discord last week, you heard it.
1:41We did the sports talk radio bit of Patriots 98.5, Andrew Erickson, Chris Walsh, here, right now.
1:46Well, Erickson went on a seven-minute rant about his conversation with the Beat Reporter.
1:50It's probably better that you didn't listen to that episode.
1:52No, it was pretty good. It was pretty good.
1:55Yeah, I know. We had a lot of fun with it, but it was a podcast just for the Discord, so there
2:02would be a good reason to come and hang out besides hearing it live, hearing it early, and being on it.
2:08Hearing it at all when I screw up the recording, but we got contingencies upon contingencies, and we are back.
2:13And not only are we going to talk to you, but we are going to be talking about sleepers just at the
2:20top here for a second, and we will tell you why.
2:23We are going to give you some of our deep sleepers and how we've ranked them this year, but we are coming
2:30off of the heels of two things, as a matter of fact.
2:33Fantasy Fest in the books, just overall, we had a little bit of chaos at the beginning if people didn't realize.
2:39I still feel bad. Like, I thought it was a funny joke about my Seth, poor Seth, calling him Timu J.J.
2:45Zacharisen, which, by the way, I'd love to be.
2:48I'm fat J.J. Zacharisen, if anything. But I felt bad because poor Seth was, if people didn't know, we had chaos right
2:54before it started, and there was a time issue, and J.J.
2:57wasn't here, and it wasn't his fault. And then Seth is like a gangster.
3:02He's just like, I'll jump in, and we were trying to figure out what was going on, and then he just appeared and jumped in.
3:09And then J.J. showed up, and I had to boot Seth off of the show, and then we were joking about it.
3:15It did make it really fun. It was an incredible Fantasy Fest.
3:19Awesome guest. You and I just didn't get to do anything with it, but it was great.
3:24We had some awesome guests, guests that I had never interacted with J.J.
3:28before. You had Yonkey on, which was super cool.
3:30He's phenomenal on PFF. So I thought it was really great.
3:33If you missed it live, the individual pieces are going to be spaced out into episodes and stuff like that.
3:39But that first one, that's what people are going to get, was like the chaos behind the scenes.
3:44We were like ducks with feet going crazy underwater trying to keep it cool.
3:48But what do you think? Any external thoughts post-Fantasy Fest?
3:51It's not how you start. It's how you finish, man.
3:54That's what the mantra, the mindset of the Fantasy Pros team was.
3:58And I think that we delivered a extremely professional, worthwhile experience throughout all the hours that we were recording.
4:03I think, what, five hours total with the Twitch after party.
4:07We did the mock draft. All the segments, like you said, can be re-uploaded on YouTube on the podcast feed.
4:12So if you missed the live experience. And I think being part of the chat is really fun, too.
4:18Like, I was in the chat. Fitzy was in the chat.
4:21D-Bro was in the chat. Like, we're all just like chatting up, answering as many questions.
4:26Because at the end of the day, man, we all just love fantasy football.
4:30We love the NFL. And it's kind of like a weird treat this year because the NFL is starting so much later.
4:36There's like an extra week of building up to the start of the season.
4:40Which I kind of like. I think NFL teams hate it because it means it's another week of training camp for guys to get potentially hurt.
4:48When they're like, we just want to start the games.
4:51And it also means to, again, remember this. When you're watching football every single week and you're away from your loved ones.
4:57That Valentine's Day is also the same day as the Super Bowl this year.
5:01So there you go. Is there a real idea if you didn't think?
5:05You're married long enough. Valentine's Day doesn't lead to you.
5:08My wife has become very much like, Valentine's Day is all corporate.
5:12She doesn't talk like that. That would be a whole new thing.
5:15But it's very corporate for her. And so it's just not into it.
5:19But I like it later. I like it happening later.
5:22I feel like we get a little bit more space.
5:25A little bit more room for activities to grow in here.
5:28But highly suggest if you don't want to watch like a four-hour stream and then go over to Twitch.
5:33Check out all the bits and parts of it.
5:36And there was some awesome stuff. And it was a great job.
5:40Also, the second thing off the heels. Then we're going to go to sleepers real quick.
5:44And then we're going to be talking to you guys.
5:47So make sure those hands are raised. Is you just finished up the tailgate fantasy draft.
5:52And kind of an interesting process you did with it too.
5:5516-team league, if I remember correctly. And then every host on the tailgate for that episode shared the team, correct?
6:01So do you want to – don't give away because it's a full episode.
6:05But do you want to give a little synopsis and a little preview of anything interesting that happened?
6:10By the way, tailgate. You guys can go check out tailgate NFL on YouTube.
6:14It's our straight NFL channel. And Erickson brought some fantasy to it.
6:18So there may have been some bullying going on in turn for some of the picks where one of us may have been very against a certain player.
6:26And the other two were like, nope, screw you.
6:28We're taking this guy anyway. So did that – was the bullying person possibly rhyme with Shmi Shmo?
6:34Shmi Shmo? Yes. Shmerick? Shmerick Shmrown? Shmerick Shmrown? Yes, it did.
6:37That's why we have Roman Doonsay on the squad and not Jonathan Brooks because Worm and I were like, no, we're going wide receiver.
6:44And Debra was like, no, there's going to be a running back run.
6:48He was actually right. So we actually probably should have listened to Debra.
6:52We did not. Missed out on the running backs.
6:54But that's okay. The team in the draft analyzer because we synced it up with draft assistant on Fantasy Pros.
7:00And we got the second best team based on the grade.
7:03So feel good about it. And just as an FYI PSA, if you're doing a 14-team, 16-team league, you've got to punt the onesie positions.
7:10You just have to do it. The fact that we were able to get Mahomes and Jared Goff as our two quarterbacks
7:17in rounds 13 and 14, it just makes the rest of your roster so, so, so much better.
7:22So it was a really fun draft to do.
7:25Looking forward to recapping it every Monday, how that team did because it's going to be the same group on the tailgate between me, Worm, and Debro.
7:33So every week we'll briefly hit on, okay, who messed up?
7:36Which start decision did we not make this week?
7:38And I think it's going to work where we'll assign everybody, okay, you're doing quarterbacks, you're doing running backs, you're doing receivers
7:45and tight ends and flex this week. So we know who to blame when our team doesn't win.
7:50So there's not a ton of bullying. So there's not like massive amount.
7:54I like that there was some bullying on there.
7:57We did try to capitulate. So like we did that with Debro and it's like, all right, when we had another pick
8:03that we couldn't decide, we said, okay, Debro, we didn't get, you didn't get to pick your guy last time.
8:09You can pick your guy this time. So we, it all came out fair square.
8:13It's a science. Bogman and I do, we've done this for multiple years.
8:17It's a theoretical industry league because it's like industry people.
8:20Fitzy's actually a part of it. God, who was all in it?
8:23Like Jeff Erickson, DVR, Derek Van Riper runs it.
8:26And it's, we call it the pentathlon, but it's a five event league.
8:30And it's like super flex auction. Then there's a best ball.
8:33And then we have to do picks. And then we have to do a DFS team and survivor.
8:38Those are the five events. It's a monster event that we do every year.
8:42Bogman and I won it the previous year. We've cashed in every single, we played three years straight.
8:48We've, we've cashed in every single one we've, we've played in because you get paid per event.
8:52And then there's an overall, but we won it two years ago, but we share a team and there is a science
8:59to having the right people to be there. So there's, there's the proper amount of bullying that happens where it's like, no, no, no, no.
9:06I'm going to take this one and I'm going to take over this situation without anybody, you know, getting butt hurt.
9:12And three of you, there's a good amount of bullying that can happen in there as you guys.
9:18So I highly suggest go and listen on the tailgate, support that channel, NFL talk.
9:22And all season long from a real NFL perspective, we'll be doing breakdowns after like on Mondays.
9:27And then we'll have the previews for the week coming up.
9:30And there may be even some other cool stuff.
9:33So make sure you check it out on the tailgate.
9:36One other thing we want to do before we start getting to your questions.
9:40So continue hanging with us in the audience. We've got a ton of hands raised and we're going to plow through them is we've mentioned this before.
9:48Humbly Erickson and I, we did obviously fantasy pros has lots of different rankings.
9:52We have like the draft rankings. We've got the, uh, in season accuracy rankings.
9:56And another one they've really propped up this year was the sleeper rankings.
10:00And it's a, it's a select amount of players that are in that you like a pool that you can choose from.
10:06And you pick like two quarterbacks, four running backs, four wide receivers.
10:09And that's something you'll end up seeing if you do your draft insights on fantasy pros after, where it'll be like, Hey,
10:16you drafted the number one consensus sleeper, dah dah.
10:18Well, the accuracy article came out a couple of weeks ago and Erickson and I happen ironically to be both top seven overall in the world.
10:26Uh, or, you know, the world air quotes of whoever's doing it.
10:30And I was five shockingly to me and you were seven.
10:33So we were top seven in there. And Erickson was like, you know, we should use that to our advantage.
10:39We should talk about sleepers and we should do that.
10:41And since this is our show, let's do that here.
10:44This is kind of the sleeper, the extra sleeper point podcast.
10:48What we're going to do here for a second.
10:50And so we are going to announce who our sleepers are in the contest right now.
10:55And then next week, if there's an update, we will come back to it.
10:59And those are going to be the sleepers we are attached to.
11:02It's a really interesting process too, because another thing I'm proud of is I finished higher in the draft ranks than any
11:09of us, which, you know, I'm, I'm the lonely little analyst over here on the football side or host.
11:14I mean, with playing little analysts, uh, occasionally that I got to finish so high, but my point of this is I was dominant at running back.
11:22No one was better than me at running back.
11:25And I was second and wide receiver to D bro, but in the sleeper, I was horrible at quarterback and tight end and the draft rankings.
11:32But the sleeper rankings, the quarterback and the tight end is what pushed me up.
11:37I had Drake may at sleeper quarterback last year and Tyler Warren and Kyle pits it.
11:42The literal draft things I sucked at my actual sleepers are what one, one me that.
11:46So this will be a really interesting experiment of what this looks like.
11:50Do you remember what your best position was in draft rankings and in sleeper rankings at all?
11:55Do you know, like who, what was your best hit at sleeper?
11:58And what was your best position for draft, uh, in season or draft rankings?
12:02I don't remember what the best one in draft was.
12:05Um, I want to say it was probably the tight end or running back.
12:09I think it definitely was not wide receiver. I can say that pretty confidently because that was the, that seems like the,
12:16one of the tougher positions to rank just because there's so much volatility and there's so many different guys.
12:21With sleepers. I'm looking for you. You want to know what it is?
12:25Yeah. No, tell me. Was I right? Was my hunch right or was I wrong?
12:30What, what did you guess? Running backs and tight ends.
12:33And you said it was not what those are my better ones.
12:36And receiver wasn't my worst. Uh, you were the best at wide receiver.
12:40Oh my God. That was your best. You were about to, you know, that was your best.
12:45I know. I just thought that made me laugh.
12:47Cause you're like, there's just no way. No, you were literally, you're now you're draft ranking.
12:52There's in season and there's draft, your draft ranking.
12:55You were, your best position was actually wide receiver.
12:57Um, so yeah, I must've been thinking in season then probably.
13:00In season. Yeah. I think you were kind of a beast in season.
13:04I'll look real quick. You're in season. You were a monster at tight end.
13:08You were, you were pretty damn good across the board if we're being honest, but tight end was your hands away.
13:14Best then running back then wide receiver and then quarterback.
13:17But you were, you were roughly at least top third in every single position, but tight end you were, uh, you were 17th.
13:24So you were like 17th best out of like 200 plus people.
13:28I think we had, or this was like 158.
13:30Yeah. So you were like top 35% in every single position.
13:33And in, you were, you weren't as good, uh, in the draft season as you were in season, but you were a monster in season.
13:41Yeah. No, I mean, a tight end. And it's to me, especially when you're doing the rankings, I think it just so advantageous to take the swings, right?
13:49Cause all tight ends at the end of the day, most numbers are all bad.
13:53So if there's anyone with a semblance of, okay, there's a path where we can get a ceiling type of performance.
13:59I remember one specific week where everybody was really concerned about like Brock Bowers coming off his injury.
14:05And I was just sitting back thinking, man, it's Brock Bowers and I don't care.
14:09Just you gotta play this guy if he's healthy.
14:12And he smashed in his first game back, which isn't always, it doesn't always happen.
14:16We know that guys coming back from injuries the first week back is always a very, it's tough waters sometimes, but when
14:22it's tight end and the floor is zero for most of these guys anyway, it's just so worth going after just chasing
14:29the boom with a player like up Brock Bowers or someone that, you know, as elite.
14:33So, uh, well, that was my second best, by the way, uh, was in season.
14:38If we're talking again, we're, this is draft season.
14:40So in season doesn't matter to you guys probably a whole bunch, but wide receiver was my best in season.
14:46And, and then that was my second best in a draft season.
14:50I would think I was like top 20 if I remember.
14:53So wide receiver across the board, apparently I'm okay.
14:56A pitied in was my second best. It's a little bit worse at running back, even though I was a monster in draft season.
15:03And I'm just like hilariously, historically, absolutely horrific at quarterback, except when I pick a sleeper.
15:07So before we do, do you want to just do the questions first and just hit the sleepers on the rip?
15:13Cause I know we have a big queue up here so far and I want to make sure that we can get to everybody.
15:20Do you want us to do that? It's every, whatever you want to do, whatever you want to do.
15:26We're men of the people, men of the people to the people first, and then we'll humbly brag about our amazing picks
15:32that are going to smash in 2000. Okay. So that's the tease then there's the tease is at the end of the
15:39episode, we will give you what our sleeper picks are for the season, uh, to run it to quarterback for running back for wide receiver to tight end.
15:47We'll talk about what our sleepers are with the last like 10 minutes or so.
15:51And then there may be an update because things do update, um, especially at the last preseason next week, that's going in.
15:58If you guys care about that. So, uh, we're going to get to your guys's questions.
16:02You got lots of hand raised, but if you guys want to join in the action as always, make sure you go
16:09to fantasypros.com slash chat, where you can not only be a part of a really cool discord community where people are mock drafting, they're talking fantasy.
16:16There's a ton of rooms to kind of peruse yourself with, but we've also got exclusive AMAs like this that end up on the podcast feed.
16:24Here is the schedule right now. Now we've got Boggan fits who are doing 5.
16:28PM Eastern every Tuesday through the end of the month.
16:31But that's, I think like maybe one, I'm not even sure if there's, I think that might be done because I think September 1st is on a Tuesday.
16:39So I'm not sure if they're going to, how that's going to work, but then it goes to like once a month, Worm and fits 5.
16:47PM Eastern on the first Tuesday of every month.
16:50So that's the sneaky part where next Tuesday actually might be them.
16:53Uh, but here's a big important one. Me and Erickson are here in season every Thursday, 2 PM Eastern.
16:59So come on, get your questions answered. Be a part of the show.
17:02Be a part of the extra point. Fantasypros.com slash chat.
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17:11You can get in here. You ain't got to have nothing else.
17:15All right, let's get to it. As we got some of the stuff out of the way.
17:20Cornwallis was in here. I think I might've beat Cornwallis in here, but Cornwallis was in here at least 10 minutes before
17:26the show and was the very first hand raised.
17:29So Cornwallis, you are first up on the extra point this week.
17:32What up, dude? Oh, good afternoon. Um, I got two questions.
17:36You want me to just fire them both off or do you want me to split them up?
17:41Um, yeah, if you fire them both off. Yeah, yeah, sure.
17:44Okay. So first one, fairly easy. I don't understand Dak's ranking.
17:47I feel like he's ranked a little too low.
17:50Uh, just wanted to get your guys' take on that.
17:53Uh, second question is, um, doing an auction draft.
17:55And a lot of times you kind of end up with a little too much money at certain parts of the draft.
18:02I'm curious your guys' thoughts on who are guys in the early, mid and late that you're willing to overspend on to
18:08make sure you get them on your roster. And then who is your blacklist?
18:12You don't want them unless they have a discount on them.
18:16Jeez. Cornwallis coming in here with a banger of a question to start with.
18:20Real quick on Dak, I mentioned on the fest, and I'm gonna let you speak on this, Erickson, though.
18:25I did an episode with a Bogman that's gonna be released already on In This League prior to this airing on the
18:32podcast feed where we talked about league winners and losers.
18:34But what we did instead of picking our league winners and losers, we actually went and looked at, like, aggregate.
18:40Like, we looked across the land. We looked for everybody else in the world's league winners and losers.
18:46And we, you know, were able to accumulate who the top guys were.
18:49Hands down, Dak Prescott was the number one quarterback that everybody felt was a league winner.
18:54And I thought that was interesting based on guys like Herbert and Lawrence.
18:58But ironically, he also had come up on one or two league losers.
19:02So that was really weird. So he, as I had mentioned on fest, the players like Corey Krosky-Meritt was the number one running back.
19:09God, I'm forgetting. I think Jalen Waddle was near, like, the top of wide receivers.
19:13And Dak was the top of quarterback. So do you buy that Dak is, like, underrated?
19:18And if so, why is that? And obviously, if not, tell us that he's properly ranked.
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21:45I think he's more properly ranked. I think that he's just part of how good quarterback is this year and how deep you can go at the position.
21:53You look at Dak Prescott, compare him to someone like Joe Burrow.
21:57Joe Burrow goes rounds and rounds ahead of Dak Prescott.
22:00Why would you draft Joe Burrow when you can just draft Dak Prescott instead?
22:04You know what I mean? So in that perspective, there's value there.
22:07The only thing I'll push back on with Dak is he doesn't add anything as a rusher.
22:12So that does technically limit the potential ceiling outcome for him versus some of these other players who can just add so much more on the ground.
22:20Which I think is the only reason why Dak is going where he's going because he doesn't add that rushing.
22:26And I do think that there's an element of the Dallas Cowboys defense being significantly better than it was last year.
22:32Where every game they played was a shootout because their defense was so bad.
22:36I don't think that's going to be the case here in 2026.
22:40So that's another thing to kind of factor in.
22:42But I think Dak is, I mean, I'm not going to push back, but you can't draft Dak Prescott.
22:48I think he's a good value where he goes, but there's just a lot of good values at quarterback this year.
22:54Yeah, I tend to do the like what you guys say about Dak.
22:58I'm like, well, Purdy. Purdy goes after him. Yeah, exactly.
23:01Yeah. It seems like you just find a lot of options like Dak.
23:04So if he's the one that ends up being there at the pick that you make, it's a rock and roll.
23:10Yeah. So the auction question, because we can't spend 20 minutes on it.
23:14Here's what I just want to throw out. But I am a studs and scrubs auction drafter.
23:19I tell myself sometimes when I do it, I won't be, but I always am.
23:24Like I get myself involved into probably spending high on four players and then finding values.
23:28So I think I don't run into your issue.
23:31I never leave money on the table because I'm spending money early and I am finding myself later in draft just trying
23:37to kind of piecemeal some of the other pieces.
23:40So that's my strategy. I never run into what you're doing.
23:43If you are running into that situation, this is probably a conversation around the must have.
23:48Who are players that you must have to spend on early, late, middle?
23:52And again, I don't even think it has to be an auction thing.
23:55But Erickson, you're welcome. I mean, I think guys like Jalen Waddell and Nick Buka, I just want to have on teams.
24:02I think if I do that, I'm going to probably spend on high running backs as well.
24:07I obviously still like McCaffrey, but I think if it was PPR guys like Devon Achan.
24:11But again, that's my caveat here. I don't save up money and try to have the hammer.
24:16Like people love having the hammer. I just want three or four banger players.
24:20And I also go out early. Like I am, I'm going to get my first player in the first two or three
24:27because I have year after year in auctions found that I'm going to get better deals on players early on when people then start becoming desperate.
24:34Oh, the tier is changing of running backs, the tier is changing of wide receivers.
24:39So I am aggressive early and I get a high amount of players.
24:43Do you have any different strategy you play towards auction and or who are some must targets that you are going to be spending money on?
24:50I agree going aggressive early is the way to move because at the time it might seem like you are being aggressive.
24:57But then when the actual dollars for every player, you see them, you might realize, oh, I actually got a deal on this player.
25:04And it's when Kyle Pitts goes for $4 less than Colson Loveland, you're going to be like, I'm glad I was aggressive,
25:10you know, and that could be going for $27 and then Kyle Pitts goes for 22.
25:15It's just a rough example. But you can only get that experience by doing these auction drafts because that's at least my
25:21experience doing it with the Kings Classic with Pat Fitzmorris as my co-manager and being in a live draft room with a
25:27real auctioneer when the bullets are flying. Like after those first two rounds, that's when the market prices really start to get set.
25:34Whereas the first two rounds go by of people putting players on the board for certain prices and it's kind of no man's land.
25:41Like you have kind of like a gauge because everyone has their cheat sheets about, okay, $200 budget.
25:46This guy should go for this range. But it's those first two go rounds where the places or the players, the tiers kind of get set.
25:54And I think it makes more sense to be more aggressive.
25:57And again, it's not always going to work. Like you may end up overpaying, but I am, I don't think you should
26:04ever feel bad for overpaying for an elite player.
26:06Like that's like the thing at the end of the day.
26:09So even if you do overspend a little bit, well, I overspend on Jameer Gibbs.
26:14Like I can live with that. I overspend on Jamar Chase.
26:17Okay. I can live with that. The last thing you know, I actually hate overspend on a bat, like a mid player.
26:23Well, you know, it's funny about that. I actually kind of, even though I said Jalen Waddle and Egg Buka, I kind
26:30of hate being put in the position where if you know, everybody likes a player that I'm then now going to be forced into overpaying for Jalen Waddle.
26:38So that's a great point. You say, let me overpay for Justin Jefferson.
26:42Let me overpay for Puka Nakua instead of everybody.
26:44You think you're going to, whatever your site as Jonathan Brooks's cost is going to be his average cost.
26:50LOL. There's no, he's going to go for so much more than whatever site you're drafting on says it's going to be.
26:56And it's like, I want those guys, but those guys to me become the problem because everybody knows about the sleepers and overpaying for them.
27:04I don't like doing that. So I love that you said overpay for the top dogs.
27:08Don't put yourself in a situation where you're massively overpaying for the buzzy, fun, middle line players.
27:13Not to say that necessarily Waddle or Egg Buka can't be top 12 or anything like that, but I just don't like being put in that position.
27:21Yeah. So that's one thing for early round players, middle round players, like some names of just guys.
27:26I think that might not be so, so expensive.
27:29I think that the Andre Swift is probably a player that I think you can probably get at a reasonable price where
27:35he's got a locked and loaded RB two floor.
27:38And if this bears offense is as good as we think it can be, maybe he finally gets unleashed as a running
27:44back one this season receivers in the middle rounds.
27:47There's a lot of great guys that you can go through, whether it's the Waddle, whether it's the Bukas Garrett Wilson, T Higgins.
27:54Those are two other players that they don't get a ton of buzz because one's on the jets and one was the
28:00number two receiver, but they're also proven producers. And I think that for me, it's, I almost want to put guys that
28:07are not breakout players on my auction teams because you just don't see, is there going to be a bidding war for Garrett Wilson?
28:14Is there going to be a bidding war for T Higgins?
28:17Probably not. Well, yeah, it's kind of what I was saying.
28:20And those guys, look, do I think that they're like going to have superstar seasons?
28:24Like not necessarily, but do I think they can be like serviceable parts of your team and your roster?
28:30Yeah. And you can get them at good prices.
28:33So those are just some names that I would listen to.
28:36And I would also punt quarterback because a lot of auction leagues, quarterbacks go for basically nothing and nobody bids them up
28:42because everyone knows how deep the position is. So that's another thing that I would do in the late rounds.
28:48Yes, sir. You can also, if you want to see like players that we're into, if you haven't listened to a million
28:54episodes of us, we've got like a top targets articles on fantasy pros.
28:58If you go under the draft kit, just fantasypros.com or on the app, you can go to the draft kit and you'll
29:05sign, you'll see like Erickson, Debro, Fitzy. I've got one of like our cheat sheets, top targets and stuff like that.
29:11And that can maybe help you figure out these are players.
29:14If we want them, we might be willing to auction more, but just remember what we've said.
29:19Like, I don't disagree with you. Like Garrett Wilson, Roma Dunze.
29:22It doesn't feel like those are going to be good.
29:25You know who is going to go for way more?
29:28Jonathan Brooks, Parker Washington. Like those are guys that are going to go for astronomical amounts.
29:33Not to say that you don't want them, but that's just how the auctions are going to.
29:38If you're like banking, like, well, guys, I'm going to get the value on Parker Washington.
29:42It's like, you're probably not actually. So good luck.
29:45J Mac premium member on the fantasy bros discord.
29:47What's up, J Mac? Unmute that mic. No. There you go.
29:51Sorry about that. There it is. What's up, man?
29:53Appreciate it. Dynasty question. 12 team, one QB. The league analyzer has been projected sixth right now.
29:58So that sucks. But someone's coming after Charbonnet and his best offer is a 2028 second round for Charbonnet.
30:04What do you think? Yep. Take it. You're easy on that.
30:07Yeah, they just drafted a running back in the first round.
30:10He's coming off a major knee injury. In a contract here.
30:13So I have no idea what Charbonnet could be in 2027.
30:17But he may be on a different team. I don't like his outlook.
30:20Um, I, I, I don't like the trade because I think Charbonnet can reestablish value.
30:25I mean, I'll be honest with you. Like there's a chance that he could just destroy his value where he doesn't come back and he's just nothing.
30:33But I think there's, we were talking about a 2028 second round pick.
30:36I'm not sure that the value holds there. And I think there's a path in the next 12 months where he either comes back, they give him opportunity.
30:45He reestablishes his value or he is a free agent.
30:47He's on a new team and he's been being the starter.
30:51If you would have said a first round pick, I think that's something where you don't screw around.
30:56I don't think a second round pick to me is worth.
30:59I would rather sit on him and see if I can recoup better value because the second round pick doesn't hold as much weight.
31:06But Erickson and I have different like dynasty philosophies, especially when it comes to like players and draft picks.
31:12Well, to your point, I think that waiting for Charbonnet to probably just come back first is probably before he not before
31:18he comes back and plays just okay. He's back healthy.
31:21He's going to play this week. That's when you trade him before he actually steps foot on the field.
31:27But when he's not on IR or PUP anymore, there might be, it might be the literal worst time to trade him
31:33is Jadarian price continues to go up. He's on the PUP.
31:36No one's talking about him. You do. There's an opportunity, like I said, that he becomes a big old fat nothing burger and you get nothing for him.
31:44But do you really care that you lost out on a two years from now second round pick?
31:50I'm just not. I just don't know if that matters as much.
31:53But that's me. Jack. Jack premium member on the fantasy bros discord.
31:57What's up, dude? Come on down. Dun dun dun.
31:59Hey, guys. Hey, what up? Um, I put my question in the chat.
32:03It's a another dynasty thing. I lost in the championship.
32:06I have a really solid roster. One quarterback, two wide receivers, two running backs, two flex.
32:11Yep. We got it. So I'm kind of being asked to make trades.
32:14I don't feel like I need to make trades.
32:17I think this is kind of like a do a trade because I'm bored kind of situation.
32:22So it would be sending Rashi Rice and Javante Williams to upgrade like RB three and RB two for Reese Hall and a 27 second and fourth.
32:30I don't know if that's like the fantasy bros dynasty rankings makes it kind of seem pretty equal.
32:35Uh, I just wanted to see what you guys thought.
32:38I don't know. Yeah. I think that this is a one you gotta, you gotta walk away.
32:43You gotta log off. Hate it. Never hated a trade more.
32:46You just said you're going to upgrade it. Right.
32:49You're downgrading at running back. You're actually downgrading at running back.
32:52Javante. I mean, it's lateral at best. At best it's lateral.
32:55So that means is Rashi Rice only worth a second and a fourth round pick?
33:00I hate it. Not if you're trying to win now, because this is the only time he's going to help you.
33:06I want to win now. Yeah. That's what he says to win.
33:09Yeah. I want to win now. Right. Rice is only good if you want to win your league now, because his like,
33:16there's no difference between Rice's dynasty ranking and his redraft ranking because everyone knows that 2027 he could be out of the league at that point.
33:23Like, we don't know what's going to happen to Rashi Rice, but this year he should at least be productive.
33:29By the way, don't let Jack was sounding like D bro here.
33:32He's getting bullied around in his league. Like, oh, I just want me to trade.
33:37Like, no, like that's a bad trade. That is not disappointed.
33:40Cause he got Bijon 40 burger last year in the championship, which obviously sucks.
33:44But yeah, don't let the league mates bully you around.
33:47Like, no, you run the trades. You are Howard Roseman.
33:50Have confidence. You're the captain. Yeah. You counter and you go like, I'll give you Rashi rice and I want breeze hall in a second round pick.
33:58And then just, you go there. Like that's too, that's in the other direction.
34:02That's how I play the hammer. Oh, the hammer down.
34:05Exactly. That's where I want the hammer, not in the auction league.
34:08I want it in the trades. Take it back.
34:11Um, what is the J J J J what's up JJ?
34:14How y'all doing? Good man. How you doing? Good.
34:17I have two, uh, trade questions for you. One is a dynasty.
34:20I have AJ Brown and I'm rebuilding. Do I trade him?
34:23I have an offer on the table for Caleb Douglas and the first, the second question.
34:28Wait, first in 2027. First in 2027. Okay. Uh, stop there.
34:31Stop there for a second. Let's just break that down.
34:34So hold on JJ. What do you, uh, Erickson, what do you think about this?
34:39Uh, yeah, that's, that's the market price for Brown.
34:41Your rebuilder. Brown is going to be, he's older.
34:44So I think that getting a first for him makes sense.
34:47It was a first, just a first alone. Just that doesn't mean 2027 classes stack.
34:51So no, no, I completely agree with that. But I'm like the guy that you would take in the top 15, regardless
34:58of age, who's going to have a couple more years, like a first round that'll just, that's alone.
35:03We'll do it. I mean, you want to know, I guess like for me, it's enough.
35:08I mean, obviously I'd want as much as I could get, but I think that's the going rate.
35:13I think that's okay. Yeah. I'm not, I'm not in love with it.
35:17But, um, again, I'm like, I am super hyper.
35:19Like, I guess you want to have your picks next year.
35:23And if you told me that is a projected top five pick, I think that holds a lot more weight.
35:28If you're going to tell me that's like bottom half of the first round, it's just like, I don't know, man.
35:35Like, I guess you said you're rebuilding. It's just like, can you not get, uh, more, but again, you can tell the differences of me and Erickson have.
35:43What was the second question? I just did a redraft and Josh Jacobs is my RB two.
35:48How worried are we about his legal situation? And should I trade for Marshawn Lloyd guy that has Marshawn Lloyd wants Quinton Johnston back for him?
35:55That's a good question. I think I'm generally worried about the suspension, but it's probably only going to be to like a one or two game run.
36:03Um, I love the idea of getting Marshawn Lloyd, but would you trade Johnston for Marshawn Lloyd?
36:08So you're not responding to this Jacobs report because that thing, that was nothing new.
36:12They, they, that's the same stuff that's always been out.
36:15It's been out there for a while. Right. But I think that it got confused because some of the reporting was that,
36:22oh, we're embracing for him to be suspended when they asked him.
36:25The question was worded very differently than how some of the reporting was where it could have been a kind of misleading
36:32of, okay, he's going to be preparing for him to get suspended.
36:35No, the question was the reporter asked, uh, Guttekunst.
36:38Hey, so are you prepared if Jacobs gets suspended?
36:40And of course he's going to say like, yes.
36:43So I can't be like, no, we're so screwed.
36:46If like the, the, uh, the Peyton Manning thing where it's like, you don't practice F right?
36:51Like if Peyton Manning were to go down, that's one of the backups never played.
36:55It's like, well, Peyton Manning doesn't play. We're screwed.
36:58So the Packers a little bit more prepared. I think Lloyd for Quentin Johnson is fair, but I think that you're playing scared here.
37:05I think a little bit, I mean, you drafted Josh Jacobs as your RB two and now you're handcuffing him when there really is no other information.
37:12So I don't, I don't really love this maneuver to be honest.
37:16Like this feels like you're drafting and playing kind of scared, which I guess, why did you draft Jacobs in the first place?
37:23If you really thought you were concerned, I mean, maybe I get, I don't know where they got him in the draft is RB two.
37:30So like he was like six round pick, like sick.
37:33Um, there's not a lot of risks there. So I don't know.
37:36I don't love this maneuver. I'm kind of indifferent about, I mean, cause he said this is redraft, right?
37:42So yeah. Like even Johnson's going way ahead of Marshawn Lloyd, I feel like, is he not?
37:47Yeah. No, a hundred percent. Like in my brain for a minute, as I was sitting here, I was like, I don't
37:53know, like dynasty, like I want Lloyd maybe. I mean, I mean, unless you're D bro and how you think Johnson's going
38:00to perform, like Lloyd is like a really great buy, but in a redraft, like what's the path for Lloyd?
38:06It is like strictly down to two things. Josh Jacobs gets suspended for a decent amount of time or Jacobs gets hurt.
38:12Otherwise, like, can you even see a scenario where Jacobs and Lloyd become Kyron Williams and Blake Corum?
38:17And it's like, it's hard to kind of see that.
38:20So to your point, then you're now trading maybe more valuable asset that is going to have more game time in Johnston for Lloyd.
38:27Yeah. This just feels like playing scared a little bit.
38:30And I don't know if I want to do that.
38:33Quinn Johnson is the better asset in a vacuum and Lloyd is still an unproven asset altogether.
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39:07Nick, Nick is back on the show. I'd love to see our regulars that pop in here.
39:12Uh, Nick, what's up, dude? What do you got for us?
39:15Hello, Nick. There we go. What's up, Nick? Oh, Nick.
39:18I feel like Nick's had these problems before. One, two, three, kick.
39:21Oh, wow. What timing? I mean, I booted him like I booted Seth from the show.
39:26Yeah, right. You got the hot feet, man. Booting everybody.
39:29I just got it. I got to get him out of there.
39:32Yeah. Here you go, Nick. So got to be quick on the draw, man.
39:36Quick on the draw. All right, Nick. Sorry. That was immaculate timing too that I, uh, I booted, but Nick, you got
39:43to reaccept it and come back up here. It's killing me.
39:46I get a trigger finger. Like I get three seconds of silence and I got to start booting.
39:51All right, Nick. Well, we'll come back to you.
39:54We're, you're having, there's some issues there. So, um, yeah, read.
39:57No, no, don't worry about it. Don't apologize, my friend, but re raise your hand.
40:02We'll try to do it again. Uh, before that though, let's go to catalyst.
40:06What's up, dude. Hey guys. Thanks for having me on the show.
40:09Um, I just want your two cents as far as a draft strategy.
40:13I'm trying to do for redraft. So it's 10 team PPR three wide receiver start.
40:17I'm coming off a championship win. Cause one of the things I've benefited on last two years is a strategy where I
40:24punt away quarterback, like past like round 10. And I found gems two years ago with Jane Daniels and Drake may last year.
40:30So I'm thinking that, um, as far as potentially top five numbers, maybe like, um, three quarters of the season will be, uh, Kyler Murray.
40:38Do you think that would be the case? So this is a re you gotta refresh me.
40:43You did a really good job of breaking it down, but this is a 10 team three wide receiver PPR.
40:48Yes. And you want to go late quarterback and Kyler's your target, correct?
40:52Yeah. Or Caleb Williams. Okay. Well, I mean, those are two very, very different way earlier than Kyler will.
40:58So I don't. Okay. But then are you comfortable taking Kyler so much later?
41:02Are you understanding Caleb's going to go sooner? Or do you think Caleb is such a tier above that he's worth taking,
41:08you know, let's just say the eighth round. I'm just throwing out a number.
41:12I'm not looking at his ADP right now. Let's say eighth round Caleb or legitimately like probably 14th round Kyler.
41:18Like does the gap mean anything to you to take Tyler, uh, Kyler or because it's a 10 man league and the gaps can be different.
41:26You want to make sure you have a guy like Caleb.
41:29Oh no, he said it was 10, not 12.
41:32Yeah. He said it was 10. Okay. Um, yeah, because I think for me, unless I really don't like any of the
41:38running backs receivers, tight ends that are in Caleb's range, then I'm just going to wait for Kyler because in a 10
41:44team league, you have access to all the quarterbacks.
41:47And if Kyle doesn't work out, like you don't need to hold onto him, right?
41:51Cut bait gone. Go to the waiver wire because you know, there's going to be plenty of quarterbacks there because it's only a 10 team league.
41:59So I still like going late run quarterback here and further investing in running backs, wide receivers and tight ends.
42:05And there's also no guarantee that Caleb goes in round eight.
42:08Like he could go earlier as you know, playing for the, one of the most hyped up teams this off season, the 2026 Chicago bears.
42:15So if he goes around six, it's like sick.
42:18Like I'm going to take another running back or wide receiver.
42:21Whereas we all know that Kyler is a thousand percent going into late rounds.
42:25Yeah. So, well, and there's also the Brock Purdy's of the world.
42:29Dak, we talked about. We're going to talk about our sleepers.
42:32Yeah. Hey, by the way, we'll talk about our sleepers here in a couple minutes of who we've got.
42:37Kyler might be on at least one of these.
42:40He's on mine. He's the number one quarterback. He's on mine too.
42:44Freaking news. Spoiler alert. He's on both of ours.
42:46So he is one of those. So a big spoiler alert there.
42:50All right, Nick, you're back up. Are you here?
42:52I am. Thank you for your patience. It's all good, brother.
42:56What's up? Well, she's going to apologize for booting you.
42:58Yeah, I'm sorry. You're what? What's the bit from from Happy Gilmore?
43:02You're smart. I'm dumb. You're more attractive than me.
43:05I am less attractive. I'm sorry, Nick. I love you.
43:07What do you have? I love your brother. I'm curious in like a 10 versus 12 team league for like early round build.
43:14If you're thinking of like still sticking with like two RBs through the first three, when to go early.
43:20You would like tight end versus waiting a little bit.
43:23I know theoretically in a 10, you want to have like more elite onesie upside.
43:27But just curious what your strategy is. And like, you know, in like a later part of a first round, if like
43:33I'm on rock or someone falls, are you trying to go there or like try to do two RBs through the first two?
43:40And like, if not, I guess which second running back you'd want to like be the cutoff in those first few rounds.
43:47I think we actually, we did a segment on draft strategy, by the way, on fantasy fest.
43:51It's great question. So be on the lookout for that.
43:54That one was with Sealy and Fitzy. And I think we actually kind of covered this a tiny bit.
44:00I'm a BPA guy in 10 team leagues. I think maybe we've kind of discussed this a little bit.
44:05If I'm going to sacrifice a position, it's going to be quarterback.
44:09But I am strict best player available because the player pool is better.
44:13The whole wide receiver running back thing doesn't really vibe for me.
44:16And I've also been toying around with telling everybody like I can't help myself when I can get Zay Flowers as my third wide receiver.
44:24And you can do that in 10 man leagues because I like guys like Basial Tootin at running back.
44:29So it's BPA. That's the best thing I can tell you.
44:32Maybe tight ends go a little bit higher as well.
44:35But I'm pushing quarterback down and I'm BPA. Cosign, any differences, Erickson?
44:39No, I'd have nothing else to add. Exactly what I would have said.
44:42Push up tight end a little bit more. Be ready to take Bowers.
44:46Be ready to take Loveland, etc. What does Bowers look like to you for that?
44:51Because I think I'm a little more gun shy about still investing.
44:54I'm more comfortable. I can do it. But I'm still like slightly more gun shy than like Fitz or you.
45:00What would Bowers look like? Like if you're in a 10 team and you had the ninth pick and you're coming around to what would that be?
45:08Pick a 12. Would you do it? Or pick a...
45:11Yeah, that'd be pick 12. Would you have Bowers there in the second round?
45:1516. You're picking. Oh, I know. I'm getting on a 10 team.
45:18No, no. Yeah, yeah. You know where I'm at.
45:21It's been a long week. I guess for me, I always look at Brock Bowers as kind of like Drake London, except he plays tight end.
45:29So wherever Drake London goes, I feel like Brock Bowers should go one spot ahead.
45:33Questionable quarterbacks, alpha target earners on their offenses, except one of them plays tight end.
45:37And that makes a lot of a difference, especially in a full PPR.
45:41So, yeah, I have no issue taking Bowers in a 10 team league at the beginning of round two.
45:47Yeah. But would you do it if, let's say, Jinty, A-Chan, A.J.
45:50Brown, and Bowers are sitting there at 11? Yes.
45:53Would you be like, well, I want to take Bowers because the tight end, you know, the advantage I'm going to get
45:59in this 10 team league, would you do that?
46:02Yeah. Assuming that I have a running back. I think it just depends on who you go in round one.
46:08I don't know if I want to punt. So if you did a wide receiver, you wouldn't?
46:13If you took, like, Jefferson at nine? Yeah. But I think that matters.
46:16Like, because there's no more elite running backs after the first two rounds, most likely.
46:21So that's what you don't want to run into.
46:23Yeah. I mean, in a 10 team league, we've seen Jinty fall down to 15.
46:28Is it like out of pocket to think he could come back in the third round?
46:32Or Kyron Williams seems to always be. I guess that's not like, that doesn't still qualify like elite or anything like that.
46:39But all right. I think it's a good breakdown.
46:41There's a couple different scenarios there. Like I said, I'm strictly more BPA than anything else.
46:46But 12 and 10 is super important to have the differences.
46:49Fuzzy. What's up, Fuzzy? What you got for us?
46:52Then I see Chinzor in the chat. What's up, dude?
46:55Yeah, we got you, man. Great. Thanks for having me on.
46:58Just more of a dynasty question here. So recently, we have a couple orphan teams that got joined.
47:03So we're doing like a soft reset where we're keeping seven players and redrafting the rest of the players.
47:09And I wanted to get your feedback on how many people I should.
47:13I got to cut three, but I know I'm cutting Josh Downs.
47:16I posted my screenshots of the teams that I currently have.
47:19And I wanted to get your feedback on who the other two people should be.
47:24I was, and it's a one quarterback QB, 12 team dynasty.
47:27So I was leaning more towards cutting Jaden Daniels.
47:29I know it hurts, but to stack with Rum with Dunze to go with Caleb Williams.
47:34And then maybe either Marvin Harrison, Travion or Rasheed Rice.
47:37So that's, so wait, what we're looking at is the entirety of the seven players that can be kept, correct?
47:43Correct. Okay, cool. All right. So let's just do this real quick.
47:46And then we want to get through our other two.
47:49And then get to our sleepers. The team, just so everybody knows.
47:53I just had to go away from it. Do you have that?
47:56Here we go. I mean, I would not cut Jaden Daniels.
47:59Even if I have Caleb. So it's Caleb or Jaden.
48:02Okay, so you keep Jaden. He keeps A-chan. He keeps Jenty.
48:06He keeps McBride. That's four. And then you choose between Rice, Dunze, Henderson, and Harrison.
48:10You've got to keep three of those four. And I'm guessing Travion, Dunze, and then it's Harrison versus Rice.
48:16And am I right? Am I on the right track here?
48:19Yeah, no, Harrison and Rice would be the two guys I would cut if he needs to cut three people.
48:25But if he has to keep one of those.
48:27Because that's how I remember. It's the two running backs.
48:30Daniels, McBride. Oh, yeah, Henderson. Yeah, sorry. I screwed that up.
48:33So then it would be. Or no. No, I'm doing this right.
48:37So now it is a Dunze, Harrison, or Rice.
48:39Oh, yeah. We're keeping a Dunze. So then which do you do?
48:43Harrison or Rice? I think I'm going to cut Harrison.
48:46Yeah, I'm cutting Harrison. See ya. See ya, buddy.
48:48The guy's got to show. I guess he's got to show it to me first.
48:53Before. Yep. See ya, pal. I'll kick it. That was a fun one.
48:57Chinzer. What up, dude? The Hollow Knight himself. I did my homework from last week.
49:01Do you want to refresh her on what the homework was?
49:04Oh, yes. This was. Yeah. Do it. Please do a refresher.
49:07I forgot. We told you to draft, but I don't remember what we told you.
49:12Yes. So the premise is I'm in a 14-team league.
49:15It's full PPR. Starting two running backs, two wide receivers, and a flex.
49:18So then everything else is pretty normal. And I'm in the four spot.
49:22So Chase is probably going to be gone as well.
49:25The top two RBs. So I'm looking at, you know, probably a wide receiver because I don't like CMC or JT.
49:31And so when I was mocking, I can get Puka or JSN or Amonrao, whichever one of those I decide to take.
49:38And then AJ Brown and Zay Flowers because I don't like the running backs in those spots.
49:43And then it was pretty much. This is that three wide receiver thing, right?
49:47When we were talking about should you go three wide receivers.
49:50The episode didn't air last week. So reminding everybody, this was where I got kind of like enamored with three wide receivers.
49:56So we said, go to the mock draft simulator, experiment with it.
50:00So you took three straight wide receivers, and now you're going to break down what your running back situation look like.
50:06Right. And before I get to that running back part, I just want a quick question on that first wide receiver because it's a 14 team.
50:14So I want to be a little bit more safe with that first pick.
50:18So I'm thinking, do you think it's crazy to go Amonrao instead of JSN or Puka if they're there?
50:23Just since he's such a high floor, high ceiling player.
50:26Not crazy, but I'm not doing it. But it's not crazy.
50:29I'm taking Puka. Yeah, Puka is my pick as well.
50:32I am going to go for JSN, but not Puka.
50:35Right. Okay. Okay. So worst case running backs I got were Ramondre, Jonathan Brooks, J.K.
50:40Dobbins, and Ja'Cory Krosky-Meritt. So as far as worst case goes, pretty bad.
50:43Pretty bad. Yeah, it's pretty bad. Those where you're at, yeah.
50:46Ramondre. Ramondre was the RB1. Brooks was the 2 with Bill.
50:50That is a pretty bad scenario. And this was like, I mean, I have a newborn, so I'm mock drafting while I'm holding him to sleep.
50:57So I was like probably 25 mock drafts. It took a long time for me to get something that bad.
51:03Okay. So my question then, to clarify this, that was an entire, like, that was the worst version of what one team looked like, correct?
51:10That was weren't just like the worst. Were those the worst RB1s you put across all of them, or was that an entire RB setup?
51:18That was an RB setup. That was my roster of RBs.
51:21Okay. Yeah, that does stink. Yeah. The best case was Tootin Swift, Jonathan Brooks, and Pollard.
51:26That rocks. That, I love that. Erick, do you love that?
51:29Tootin Swift, Pollard, and who was the other one?
51:31Tootin Swift, Pollard, and Brooks. Wait, he said Brooks beforehand.
51:34Yeah, he got Brooks in both of them. He got Brooks in both of them.
51:39Yeah, that's what I mean. Yeah. So Brooks always lives in these, but this thing rocks.
51:43Yeah. Yeah. Well, because you said, you mentioned before it was bad.
51:47But then you're not- Because the other one is Ramondre Brooks.
51:50He's telling- What's the difference between Ramondre and Pollard?
51:53Ramondre's better than Pollard. Okay, but Tootin and Swift are the one, too.
51:56The other scenario, Ramondre and Brooks are the one, too.
51:59Yeah, I get that. That's poop. I mean, well, Brooks is in both of them, so I guess I'm not as like-
52:06But Brooks is the number three here in this one.
52:09Number four, or well, number three, I guess, if you like him over Pollard.
52:13Well, either way, worst case scenario, I don't think is Doomsday.
52:16And best case scenario is Swift or Tootin, which I think is really good.
52:20So I like this build and procedure, and I think that doing these reps has helped.
52:25I would say- L answers to Doom. Doom. You don't get that right.
52:29Very good, Chinser. Very good homework. I hope we answer that.
52:32A plus. I didn't know if there was- Yeah, his draft is next week.
52:36Yeah, so report back to us. What's that? Put it on the fridge?
52:40A plus, put it on the fridge. Yeah, I love it.
52:43All right, last one, and then we'll burn through some sleepers.
52:46This is D-D-Duck Mafia. What's up, Duck Mafia? Hey, gentlemen.
52:49I want to say that word before my three seconds is over.
52:52I'd like to thank both of you. This is my first time in here.
52:56And if you can't tell from the accent, once a pat, always a pat.
53:01You and Erickson, blood brothers here. All right, what you got, man?
53:04Okay, so we have a redraft every year. No, it's not a redraft.
53:08Different league, I'm sorry. We're in a league with two keepers, and my keepers this year are going to be Hampton in
53:14the third and Javante Williams in the sixth. I ended up getting lucky.
53:18In our league, if you are seventh to twelfth place, there's like a lottery, and whoever wins that lottery will go first.
53:24And that keeps everybody playing so nobody just ducks out and sells everything they have.
53:29My keeper league does something similar with the lottery.
53:31And I didn't used to like it, but this year I love it because I'm first and Gibbs is in there.
53:38And so just so both of you know, I asked Pat this question, and he had some colorful adjectives and said that's
53:44what I'd be if I didn't take Gibbs right out of the gate.
53:48Because I had Chase, and he told me to drop him.
53:51I'm like, I just got Chase. He goes, I don't care.
53:54Drop him and go and take Gibbs. Your running backs are all set.
53:58Then you can work from there. So my question to you is, in this particular league, I'm sorry for the pre-flow.
54:04I just wanted you guys to know that because in this league we have to take a rookie.
54:09Every year we have to take a brand new rookie.
54:12And my question to you guys is, knowing what I already have, what rookie would you guys consider me looking for and when in the draft?
54:20So you just have to take a rookie at any time?
54:23At any given time. That's correct. Yeah, you got to take Gibbs, by the way.
54:27I don't know. That's kind of a loaded question as far as like, it probably, obviously running back is good.
54:33So I don't think I'm going to sit here and tell you Jeremiah Love or even like the Jonah Coleman's of the world.
54:40Go ahead. No, I was going to say, this is a terrible rookie running back class in general.
54:45And Love is going to be the most expensive one.
54:48So I think given that you feel really good about your running backs anyway, probably don't need to draft a subpar rookie running back.
54:55So I think I think I think the play for me is true for.
54:59Is it Tyson? And you just hey, man, he's going to be cheap because he's injured right now.
55:04But if he comes back healthy, dude, like that guy could be a monster.
55:09Again, it's a total boomer bus type of play.
55:11But one that we can look at next year and be like, oh, my God, like you got Jordan Tyson for that.
55:18So that's kind of I don't know initially. So that's you know what is interesting about that is like if he's keeping
55:24was it Javante and Hampton remember who was Hampton?
55:27I was about to be like, is there really a scenario where well, guess what?
55:31If Tyson comes back and he balls and you got him in the like.
55:35Well, round, I can see a scenario where you dump back Javante and then you keep Hampton and you keep a absolutely late round Tyson.
55:42I actually really like that Tyson one. I'm indifferent about Tate.
55:46We are on different sides, but like John Stribling, you can just get I know he's going up higher, but maybe nearly you can get him later.
55:53I think the big focus here is wide receiver.
55:56Go for a rookie wide receiver. And I think Tate actually might be a super, super sneaky option like Erickson's talking about
56:02because there is a potential for a keeper, a true keeper there.
56:06The rest of the guys might have a much harder path and actually being kept.
56:10But I like that one. I like that one.
56:13So go for wide receiver. Very great questions. All of you guys rock.
56:17That leads us to the sleeper section of the episode.
56:20So again, top seven. We have all the pressure now to try to somehow get back into the top 10 so we can be on that article.
56:27And everyone's happy with us because we got tagged in it when we got it in fantasy pros and we're like, oh, yeah, we got there.
56:35Top five. How do we get back to top five?
56:38Top five. Let's talk through it. The fantasy pros sleeper ranks.
56:41How you guys end up seeing them is just in your draft boards.
56:45I think there's obviously like articles and stuff like that.
56:48But when you guys do mock drafts, you get the insights after and we have these consensus rankings of what the sleepers are.
56:55We are given the option. So you understand again, two quarterbacks.
56:58We can only pick two. And it is from a pool of quarterbacks.
57:02Four running backs, four wide receivers, two tight ends.
57:04There's also a defense. It is a very specific pool.
57:07One slight caveat to that, though, is if you are active on it, some players come in and out of that.
57:13I have a I'll give you an example. I have a wide receiver on my sleepers that is not available anymore because
57:20I was there early and this guy was available at one time.
57:23So we'll talk about that in here in a second.
57:26But let's go through it. Let's talk about our sleepers.
57:29And the first one we've already given away, we both have Kyler Murray on our quarterback.
57:34So with our sleeper quarterbacks, is he your number one or number two?
57:37He's number one. OK, number one for me, too.
57:40We both have Kyler. Anything you want any color?
57:43We don't want to go too crazy long on this, but any color you want to add, especially as him being the number one.
57:50I think we've talked about the rushing upside him with Jefferson.
57:53Like it just seems like he can step in and be a top 10 quarterback coming at the very back end of most drafts.
58:00And in some situations, not drafted at all. Betting on the environment being better for him, being in a non Arizona Cardinals
58:06organization, I think is going to do him well.
58:09And I just think there's no threats behind him anymore with McCarthy.
58:12Wentz, Wentz, maybe actually the backup. So he's got I mean, it's put up or shut up, right?
58:18Like he's got to deliver or else. Yeah. All right.
58:21Do you want to do court? You want you want it?
58:24Should we do all of them, by the way?
58:26I guess I didn't even ask you. Do we want to give away all of the?
58:31Yeah. Again, we don't have to dive deep into them and we can always resurface some of them when we talk next
58:37week as we kind of put like pen to paper and lock.
58:41I didn't even mean from a time perspective. I didn't know if you wanted to like we wanted to hide any of them.
58:48No, I get people got drafts. They got to know.
58:51So Malik Willis is my second quarterback. I was going to do like, let's do a one, two, three shoot and then say the name.
58:58I'm also Malik. So we're the exact same. Yeah.
59:01So Malik Willis is done. We had I had some interest.
59:04I want to give this stat. I just want to do this because I did research before the JJ episode on Fantasy
59:10Fest because I knew he had him as a sleeper.
59:13My favorite thing I pulled up and I actually use coach here in Fantasy Pros.
59:17Coach is in the corner bars of everything. It can help you in drafts, but you also can ask it questions.
59:24And I had it do. I mean, I led it to giving me information for the last 10 years.
59:29I had at least every quarterback that had 500 yards rushing or more and what their fantasy finish was.
59:3528 quarterbacks showed up. Only three of the 28 did not finish as a top 10 quarterback in fantasy.
59:40The average of all 28 combined was quarterback five.
59:43That's a good case. By the way, Fantasy Pros projections Malik Willis number two in rushing yards at quarterback at over 600.
59:49So that was one of the fun cases. So I think we agree on that.
59:54Let's go to running backs. This is going to be a much more open pool here.
59:58I bet we don't even have two of the same ones.
60:01Let's work down from four to one. Coming in at number four for you is.
60:06Hank Bigs Bay. Ooh, tanky. Is that based on injury or is that just based on usage?
60:11A mix. Tank Bigs was actually good last year when most of the Eagles offense was not good.
60:16And he plays behind an older running back. Where are we ranking tank Bigs?
60:20He's going to be ranked really, really high. So yeah, some of these running backs, you need an injury.
60:26Obviously, that's the best case scenario for tank Bigs.
60:28But the way they've been talking about him, like I think that he might have some type of role.
60:34So for me, that's why he's number four. Number four, I've got Mike Washington.
60:38I think that kind of speaks for itself. People might have him higher.
60:42There's a little I don't even think it has to necessarily injury based, but he might get some early production.
60:47So I got Mike Washington coming in at number three.
60:50You have Keith Mitchell. And I still don't know if I love this one or not.
60:55I just think that I have it at one time.
60:58I feel like he's going to be popular here and someone that I'm like toying with like, ah, I see the path.
61:04But then like he's already hurt. So that doesn't make me feel good.
61:08They like Vidal. So he's one that I struggle with.
61:11But honestly, I don't love a lot of the late round running back.
61:15So he kind of by default made my ranking.
61:17But I don't love him. I did have him at one point, but I did end up taking him off.
61:23My number three is Marshawn Lloyd. Marshawn Lloyd with the Josh Jacobs stuff, him getting run.
61:28I really like him. Number two for you. Yeah, Lloyd, if there was a fifth spot, Lloyd would be fifth for me.
61:34And he might be in my final list when I completely finalize everything.
61:38Number two is Jonah Coleman. Okay, well, very interesting.
61:41My number two is Braylon Allen. I think I get in fights with Bogman about it.
61:45Everybody thinks it's core Brees Hall. I'm just not sold on it.
61:49I think Braylon Allen is kind of a beast and might have some touch on equity.
61:54And my number one sleeper running back is Jonah Coleman.
61:57That is mine, actually. So it's funny that you say that because mine is Jonah Coleman at number one.
62:02Who's yours? I have Dylan Sampson as number one.
62:05I don't know if I do and I let him go.
62:08You let him go. I don't know if I let him go for my number one.
62:13I don't know if I love him as my number one, though.
62:16So I might just we might just hand I'm cool with handholding Jonah Coleman at number one a piece like that is
62:22that is the only one that we had an agreement on.
62:26So we agree. That's the only one that we had.
62:29Yeah. So that's a good one to be like our number one running back sleeper.
62:33The extra point will put become the new the new face of the show is Jonah Coleman.
62:38Kyler Murray's our extra point quarterback and Jonah Coleman's our running back.
62:41Jonah Coleman on the tailgate fantasy football team. Jonah Coleman.
62:44Oh, OK. You made the team. Hopefully be on mine.
62:47All right. Let's go to let's go to wide receiver coming in at number four for you is who?
62:53Trey Harris. I'm obsessed. So how is he forward?
62:55What are you talking about? How is because I'm trying to be realistic?
62:59All right. That's fair. Number four for me is tank Dell.
63:02I am a little bit worried about the booty, the booty coming in here.
63:06But I've been a tank Dell guy for months.
63:09And I think I think tank is just still a beast.
63:12And I think it might take a couple of weeks.
63:15But back half of the season, I just would not be surprised if tank starts kind of.
63:20These are our guys are true. I am a true.
63:23We don't care about anybody else. Like I'll go down with Trey Harris.
63:27Take me off of tank Dell. So I just got to do it.
63:31Number three coming in at number three for you.
63:33I'm struggling. Had to put him there. Oh, you dog.
63:36You lying liar. What do you mean? You can't.
63:39You're not allowed to have him. What do you mean?
63:42You're a hater. Get him off of your list.
63:44That's not allowed. I've been more positive about him.
63:47Again, he just has to be a sleeper. He doesn't necessarily need to meet his ADP.
63:52He just has to be a sleeper. He's a sleeper.
63:55So where's your number three? He just never didn't make your list at all.
63:59He did make my list. Okay. Yeah. I haven't gotten to him yet.
64:02Yeah. Okay. But I'm not shocked that he's on your list.
64:06Not on a list. I'm shocked he's on your list.
64:09I mean, again, like I'm playing and I'm playing the numbers here.
64:12It's him against a bunch of guys. I don't really necessarily love that much.
64:16Like, yeah. By the way, to give perspective, because I didn't do.
64:20Well, okay. Number three for me is Debo Samuel.
64:22Oh, so you did both 49ers receivers. I have both 49ers.
64:25You're hedging. Yeah. I am hedging a little bit.
64:28To get perspective of the players that are available on the wide receiver list and the running back, because I didn't do that.
64:35Running back kind of starts around Taj, Taj Spears, Keaton Mitchell, Tank, Charbonnet, Dylan Samson.
64:39Those are the top five available. And then it goes down from there.
64:43Wide receiver starts at Rashid Shahid down. Um, I have a player that would rank much higher, but I was earlier.
64:49That's going to come in in a tiny bit, but my number three is Debo Samuel.
64:54And I'll tell you right now, my number two is Dejan Stribbling.
64:57So I have Debo and Dejan. There's a tiny bit of a hedge, but at the same time, you know, Mike Evans, a little bit banged up.
65:05Debo's going to be used in a very specific way.
65:08And even in these weird ways last year, he was like a top 24 and a half PPR.
65:13He's got a lot of touchdown equity. I just, I find it hard to believe that Stribbling is not going to get
65:20targets, but I did have him at one. At one point, I took them off of number one.
65:25So I don't have him at one. Who is your two, uh, three and two?
65:29You said three was Stribbling. Stribbling is three. Yeah.
65:32Uh, two is Rashid Shahid. Yeah, so who's two?
65:35Rashid Shahid. So you went with the top guy.
65:37So coming in at number one, I don't think you're going to have my guy unless you put him on earlier.
65:43Cause he's, I don't think he's available anymore. I'm not sure.
65:46Maybe I'm not seeing it cause I have picked him.
65:49Who's your number one? Diggs. Oh, he is available then.
65:52I have stuff on Diggs as well. No, cause it's the same player pool for everybody.
65:57That's why like, for example, we can't take some players off sometimes.
66:00No, no, it doesn't. So for example, that's why Jordan Tyson's not available, even though he's now in that range because he
66:07was going too high when the sleeper rankings were first released.
66:10Cause they don't want to change the player pool.
66:13Cause that, again, that's like not fair. Cause everyone is.
66:16So there are some players that can't qualify as sleepers, but Diggs to me just feels kind of like he's the Keenan
66:22Allen pick from last year, which was like the best pick you could have made.
66:26So it's just kind of like rinse and repeat.
66:29Okay. So we've now got a consensus quarterback. Now you're going to join me in running back and we have Steph.
66:35I know this is a problem. We got Diggs and we have Stribbling.
66:39Let's just go to tight end. Then give me your top two on the tight end.
66:44We'll just be quick about that. Juwan Johnson and Greg Dulcich.
66:47You want to take a guess at what mine are?
66:50I mean, I can't remember if you like Dulcich or not.
66:53Is it? So it's the same players, Erickson. It's the exact same players.
66:57I have Dulcich at two and I have Juwan Johnson at one.
67:00Is that how you have it too? We got the all sleep routine.
67:04We got to make a graphic for this. Wow.
67:07Okay. Yeah. Let's get another face off type of branding.
67:10Yeah. We a hundred percent. We did not even talk about what our sleepers are.
67:14And I don't even think you can visibly see.
67:17I'm not sure if you can see them right now, but I had no idea.
67:21Very, very interesting that we have the same top at it.
67:24Well, we didn't at running back, but we are now, but those are all sleepers.
67:28Yeah. There you go. All right. All right. Defense though.
67:31I mean, this is like, if this matches, then all bets are off, but.
67:35All right. Who do you got? Lions. I had the Packers.
67:39We have the same division. All right. So some things change, but I guess our all team is Juwan Johnson, Diggs, Stripling, Jonah Coleman, and Kyler Murray.
67:47If you want to build a team, those are all sleeper teams there.
67:50You guys take that for whatever it is. We were top seven.
67:54We'll see if we even can be in the general range moving forward.
67:58All right. A little bit extra for you guys for this week, but you know, didn't record properly last week.
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