The Extra Point: Trade Questions, Rookie Draft Dilemmas, and Stefon Diggs Breakdown (Ep. 2118)
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1 hr 4 min
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Aug 7, 2026
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Fri, August 7, 2026
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Topics
Stefon DiggsDalton KincaidAntonio WilliamsCam WardDallas GoedertDe'Von AchaneDeshaun WatsonDrake MayeEmeka EgbukaEmmett JohnsonJayden DanielsMalik NabersMichael WilsonPatrick Mahomes
Player analysis
Player insights
Antonio Williams
NegativeDepth Chart25:04
The source identifies Antonio Williams as the player most negatively impacted by the Stefon Diggs signing, noting that his path to fantasy relevance has significantly diminished.
Insight pageCam Ward
NegativeValue45:23
The source indicates that Cam Ward is not a primary trade asset for moving up tiers in dynasty, as he has not yet proven enough to command significant value in a trade-up scenario.
Insight pageDallas Goedert
NegativeValue10:20
Andrew Erickson highlights that Dallas Goedert is nearing age 32 and is significantly older than many fantasy managers realize, making him a less desirable asset in dynasty trades compared to younger options like Dalton Kincaid.
Insight pageDalton Kincaid
PositiveValue8:44
Andrew Erickson advises against trading Dalton Kincaid for Dallas Goedert and late picks (2.11, 3.11) in dynasty, noting Kincaid is a former first-round pick with top-12 tight end value who is still young, despite recent PCL injury concerns.
Insight pageNegativeUsage31:13
The source acknowledges that while Dalton Kincaid is a terrific player when on the field, his lack of consistent playing time remains a concern for fantasy managers.
Insight pageDe'Von Achane
PositiveBreakout15:43
Andrew Erickson views De'Von Achane as the best player in the proposed trade, citing his elite fantasy upside. While acknowledging concerns about his target volume in Miami, Erickson notes that potential future changes at quarterback could dramatically improve Achane's outlook.
Insight pageDeshaun Watson
NegativeValue38:06
The source suggests that managers holding Shedeur Sanders should wait until Deshaun Watson plays and Shedeur is named the starter to maximize his trade value.
Insight pageDrake Maye
PositiveValue57:57
The source likes Drake Maye but notes that in single-quarterback leagues, there is significant depth at the position, making it more strategic to keep other players like Emeka Egbuka if the draft cost is better.
Insight pageEmeka Egbuka
PositiveValue58:49
The source identifies Emeka Egbuka as a screaming value in the sixth round, recommending him as a keeper over Drake Maye due to the depth of the quarterback position.
Insight pageEmmett Johnson
PositiveSleeper31:25
The source identifies Emmitt Johnson as a clear target in dynasty rookie drafts, praising his prospect profile and potential for a sizable workload. He is viewed as a strong long-term asset, especially as a contingency for Kenneth Walker III.
Insight pageJayden Daniels
PositiveProjection24:58
The source views the addition of Stefon Diggs as a positive for Jayden Daniels, solidifying his status as an elite fantasy quarterback. While the analysts were already high on Daniels, the improved receiving corps makes him a more trustworthy fantasy pick.
Insight pageMalik Nabers
PositiveValue50:23
The source recommends prioritizing Malik Nabers as a keeper in dynasty/keeper leagues, noting his high value relative to draft round costs.
Insight pageMichael Wilson
NegativeUsage17:07
Andrew Erickson expresses concern regarding Michael Wilson's role in the Cardinals' offense, noting his lack of targets when Marvin Harrison Jr. was healthy last year and his poor per-route target rate. Wilson also faces competition from Trey McBride and is entering a contract year.
Insight pagePatrick Mahomes
NegativeValue45:23
The source suggests holding Patrick Mahomes in dynasty formats, noting that while he is not a young quarterback, he is still Patrick Mahomes; the recommendation is to wait for him to return to action and improve his stock before considering a trade.
Insight pageRashee Rice
NegativeValue57:08
The source advises holding Rashee Rice in dynasty, taking his production, and acknowledging that he will likely leave the Chiefs next year, which creates uncertainty for his future value.
Insight pageSam LaPorta
PositiveValue31:02
The source suggests that if a manager has both Sam LaPorta and Dalton Kincaid in a dynasty league, trading LaPorta to upgrade the wide receiver position is a viable and recommended strategy.
Insight pageStefon Diggs
PositiveUsage22:42
The source highlights that Stefon Diggs has a history of success with young quarterbacks, including Josh Allen and C.J. Stroud. Being attached to Jayden Daniels is viewed as a positive fit, and Diggs maintains upside as the primary target should Terry McLaurin miss time.
Insight pagePositiveValue23:02
The source argues that Stefon Diggs will likely be a value pick because fantasy platforms are slow to update his ADP following his move to the Texans. The source suggests managers should manually scoop him up one or two rounds ahead of his current ADP, noting that sites like ESPN are particularly slow to adjust rankings.
Insight pageNegativeProjection25:06
The source notes that Stefon Diggs is projected for 66 catches, 773 yards, and 5 touchdowns, which is viewed as a reasonable expectation for an older receiver transitioning to a secondary role. While he is currently ranked below players like Michael Wilson and Chris Godwin in some aggregate projections, the source suggests he could be a value pick because ADP often lags behind his actual situation.
Insight pageNegativeValue28:28
The source notes that Stefon Diggs is 33 years old and has been on three teams in three years, which raises questions about his long-term stability. However, he is viewed as a good value if his ADP remains reasonable, with the expectation that he may be more productive early in the season.
Insight pageTre Harris
PositiveBreakout32:20
The source is high on Trey Harris as a sleeper, describing him as a prototypical X alpha receiver for the Chargers. The source notes that the coaching staff raves about him and that he fits the Shanahan-esque offense better than Quentin Johnston, who is better suited for the Z role.
Insight pageTrevor Lawrence
PositiveValue47:16
The source suggests that trading for Trevor Lawrence is a viable move, as he is 27 years old and potentially obtainable without giving up significant extra assets compared to older or more expensive quarterbacks.
Insight pageZay Flowers
NegativeValue56:48
The source advises against trading away Rashee Rice for a package involving Zay Flowers, suggesting it is an overpay.
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Episode Transcript
0:00This is an iHeart Podcast. Guaranteed Human. Call 1-800-GRANGER, click Grainger.com, or stop by.
0:04Grainger, for the ones who get it done. What's up friends and welcome into Fantasy Pros NFL, the fantasy football podcast, but more importantly, the Extra Point Podcast.
0:13I'm Chris Welsh, Andrew Erickson is here, and we are back for another season of You.
0:17This podcast is the, this is the literal rendition of any of the shows that we do.
0:23This is the one that has no structure, and it just has you guys.
0:27We do some live chats in the YouTube side where we come and hang out and we take your questions.
0:33This is the only one of its kind where you can come on and you can literally ask your questions.
0:39We are live on Discord, Thursdays at 2 p.m.
0:41Eastern, where you can come in, you can hang out, if you're a little scared to talk, you can drop something in
0:48the chat, you can get your questions answered early.
0:51If not, you can come in and you can be a character, be a part of the show.
0:56So Erickson, I believe this is year three. This is also one of the very few Fantasy Pros shows that is designed around like you and I.
1:04You know what I'm saying? Like, like there's a lot of like, we have like a lot of rotating wheels and it's
1:11like, it's the waiver show with different people and stuff like that.
1:14But this has been our baby, man. This is our baby show.
1:18And it's like, it's becoming a toddler. Yes, it's growing up right before our eyes.
1:23Soon it's going to be walking out the door.
1:25So I'm giddy to be back on the extra point with you Welsh and the fact that we had Ethan make this amazing graphic for us.
1:33We dropped in the chat. If you haven't seen it, it's all over Fantasy Pros socials.
1:38It is a mockup of Welsh and I in the face off picture from the movie full featured film that last year, every single week, it would be.
1:46Why is Erickson? We get this question every single week was Erickson.
1:50Why have you not watched face off or have you watched face off yet?
1:54And my response was always no, because we were in the thick of the fantasy season, playoffs, holidays, everything going on.
2:00So, of course, I would not set time to watch this movie.
2:04However, it was on the top of my to do list.
2:07Once the season ended, I watched it and you guys are all right.
2:11All in. I should have seen it. You guys were all in about it.
2:15And it was amazing. I talk about it anytime we talk about movies with my friends, coworkers, family members.
2:21Talking about movies, I always bring up face off.
2:24I'm like, man, can't believe it took me this long to see this movie.
2:28Absolutely fantastic. It's quintessential 90s action, too. It's like one of the epitomes of it.
2:33And I actually suggested this artwork that we had done should maybe be on a shirt.
2:37It's the new logo to our show. But there's a potential theme we could have into the season.
2:43And here's my question, Erickson, because you asked me this.
2:46You went before we started up a little bit ago.
2:49You go is face off like the night, the quintessential 90s action film.
2:53And I was like, yeah, yeah, it's like one of them.
2:56And I go, well, that or Con Air. So the question is, Andrew Erickson, have you seen Con Air?
3:02Yes, no, I have seen the entire trifecta of Nicolas Cage 90s movies.
3:06So when I watched face off, I watched it with a bunch of my friends.
3:10And then we decided, hey, let's just watch all the Nicolas Cage 90s movies.
3:14So we did Con Air. We watched The Rock.
3:17So we did the entire trifecta. And there's more Nicolas Cage movies, as people have told me that there are quite 90s, early 2000s.
3:24So it's like as someone that grew up with Nicolas Cage as the guy in National Treasure, and then seeing him in
3:31this type of form before that was very eye opening.
3:34I think if I had to rank it, I would still go face off Con Air than The Rock.
3:40That's my personal order of preference. Okay. That's how I rank it.
3:43And I think that The Rock is a distant third compared to the first two movies.
3:48And just as a side on Con Air, my hotel room at the Fantasy Football Expo, the hair blower that we had, Con Air on it.
3:56Oh, okay. So you're really young. Yeah, so it's like a nice chuckle is like Con Air.
4:01It's everywhere you go. You know, a fun- And the movie itself.
4:04Oh, yeah. You know, I was just gonna say a fun fact.
4:08Did you know that with The Rock, there's a theory out there that The Rock is actually really about 007, James Bond
4:15as he gets older, because they never really like say the name.
4:18And that Sean Connery is really James Bond in that movie.
4:22That's the conspiracy theory that's out there. Yeah. That adds up.
4:25Yeah. That's a good thing. That's a good thing.
4:28I mean, it's like I believe this is. And then we got a schedule right now.
4:32Boggs and Fitz are going 5 p.m. Eastern every Tuesday through the month of August.
4:37You've got Worm and Fitz, 5 p.m. Eastern on the first Tuesday of every month.
4:41And then me and Erickson for the extra point, 2 p.m.
4:45Eastern every Thursday. Come get your questions answered. Be a part of the show.
4:49Don't be scurred. Fantasypros.com slash chat. Fantasypros.com slash chat.
4:52We'll see if we can get throughout the season.
4:54The end season episodes are great because we're talking waivers.
4:57We're talking start and sit, but it is draft season.
5:00And we got some of our studio audience here, our people hanging out with us.
5:05And hopefully we'll get maybe some hand raises and people that aren't scared here.
5:09I'm actually seeing some pretty good artwork that's in here.
5:12You ready to get some questions though? We do have some in the chat.
5:16Let's rip. Let's ride is what you're supposed to do for Nicolas Cage.
5:20Let's ride. I got an offer in Dynasty. This is from Jedi.
5:24I send Dalton Kincaid. He gets Dallas Goddard, a 2-11 and a 3-11.
5:28He says, not the band. My other tight ends are Warren, Barner and Ferguson.
5:32I just want to make a quick stop. Like, is this a two tight end league?
5:37Cause like, whatever, go get picks. If you're trading Kincaid, if you have Warren, you're set.
5:41You're locked unless this is like some dual tight end league.
5:45So if I can just go get a stop gap with a couple of picks, I really have.
5:50This is like a no brainer to me, but what do you think about this?
5:55He has Tyler Warren, but he can trade Kincaid to get two picks and Dallas Goddard.
5:59I mean, they're pretty late picks like 2-11, 3-11, especially if it's in this year's draft.
6:04I don't know if I love that this year's rookie class wasn't super deep, especially if you need running backs.
6:10So I don't know. I think I'd rather just have Kincaid.
6:14Like he's still a relatively young player. I know that he's been dealing through PCL injuries, but former first round pick.
6:20Like Dallas Goddard on the other hand is on the other age opposite end of age 30.
6:25Like he's like way older than a lot of people I think would think because he spent so many years playing behind Zach Ertz and Philadelphia.
6:33So I think I probably just keep Kincaid. I would, I would need more back to be honest.
6:38You would need more than a 2-11 and a 3-11.
6:41If just get Kincaid, get Goddard out of here for a second.
6:45You would need more than a two and a three for Kincaid and a dynasty.
6:49Yeah. I mean, he's a former first round pick though under how old is I was trying to find out and I
6:56don't disagree that maybe you could get more. He said, by the way, it's one tight end, but it's super flex with a flex.
7:03Um, and he's got some other stuff in here.
7:06Goddard's useless to him. Yeah. I mean, I guess key if Goddard is, I mean, I think you answered that Jedi.
7:12If you said Goddard's useless to you, then if those picks don't mean anything like Erickson saying, then just, just keep them and wait for a better offer.
7:21Maybe Kincaid has a couple of big games and you can trade them off in season.
7:25If, if Goddard is useless to you, I mean, Kincaid probably is.
7:29And if you want to look at trade value, Kincaid has the best trade value.
7:33So pretty easy. Yeah. I would say with Kincaid, he is, yeah, he's 26 years old.
7:38He's still valued as a top 12 tight end versus Dallas Goddard.
7:42Do you know how old Dallas Goddard is? Oh yeah.
7:45I think he's like 32. 31. I think he turns 32 this year.
7:49So yeah. Look at that. Jedi was right with him.
7:52He's about to be 32. All right. One of the things we forgot to say on the extra point is if you
7:58raise your hand, you jump the line. It's like a super chats when you're on YouTube, but this costs you nothing.
8:05You just raise your hand. If you speak, you get to go before anybody.
8:09So if you want to guarantee, well, there you go.
8:12And guess what? No better way than what I could think to start the extra point season than the great and powerful stinky dingus.
8:19Erickson, stinky dingus is going to be the first guest of the 2026 NFL season.
8:24You know, as long as the discord's going to work, that's always the dance that we have.
8:29So I have approved stinky dingus to come on, but the stinkiest of dingus is have to accept it and actually come on.
8:36And right now the extra points not looking super good going once going twice.
8:40Stinky dingus sold. But Seattle, uh, shark Seattle sharks is in here.
8:43Premium member of the fantasy pros discord. Let's see if this is going to work for Seattle.
8:48You just got to accept it. You just got to push it over the line.
8:53There we go. Now unmute. This is like running the, um, the tush push.
8:57There's a couple elements that really got to work.
9:00One element has worked. Now you got to hit unmute Seattle.
9:03You just got to hit the unmute button. We're so close going once going twice.
9:08And it's sold. You guys are selling. This is brutal.
9:11Uh, if you guys would like to check if it works, go and do the test in the settings.
9:16And you guys can see if those are going to work.
9:20That's a great way to see, uh, if you can get on, just go test your settings.
9:25All right, let's go to Mike. If you guys want to figure that out, we'll bring you back up.
9:31You'll be right back on top of the line.
9:33Mike 17, which side 12 team dynasty full PPR with a tight end premium, give up Basial Tootin, Michael Wilson, and a
9:4020, 27 mid second round pick receive a Chan and Dulcich.
9:43Dolcich. Tootin, Wilson, 20, 27 second. It's really about a Chan here.
9:47It's kind of, I mean, I know you're kind of a.
9:50Yeah. Dolcich guy, but it's, this is really like, is it worth giving up Wilson and, and Tootin?
9:55I mean, and a mid second round pick, frankly, but really Tootin and Wilson for a Chan.
10:01I think so. Cause I think that with a Chan, he has shown the upside to be an elite fantasy running back.
10:07And right now the situation in Miami, obviously not ideal.
10:10There's a lot of concerns about, you know, how many passes he's going to catch.
10:15But that being said, Miami could easily be picking quarterback, 2027 and the outlook for a Chan could change dramatically very, very quickly.
10:22I think that to in, I like him a lot, but he's still a day three pick Michael Wilson.
10:27We'll see how this Arizona Cardinals often shakes out.
10:30It does concern me that he basically got zero targets when Marvin Harrison Jr.
10:34was healthy last year, and he's still competing with Tray McBride.
10:37So he will also be a free agent at the end of the year.
10:42Are you? So it's possible. Did I not catch that?
10:45I'm an anti Arizona Cardinals. Well, yeah, I guess.
10:47You too. I mean, I just think that it matters that he was never targeted when Marvin Harrison was healthy last year.
10:54Like his per target rate per route run was terrible.
10:57So that matters to me when you're projecting if how he's going to do when Marvin Harrison Jr.
11:02is healthy and not concussed or dealing with an app and, you know, an appendix thing or a heel injury or something along those lines.
11:10So for me, a chance the best player in the deal, and I don't think you're giving up anything over massive.
11:16So that's the move I would make. And then they'll set you get it like those.
11:21He'll set him as basically free draft. So whatever he does is like kind of sweetener.
11:26But yeah, I would take the H hand. It seems about the going rate of what like an H hand, like a
11:32first to second ish round pick should look like.
11:35So I think that's OK. I think it's an OK one.
11:38All right. So usually the rule is we hit to that one question, but Jedi has not spoke.
11:44So we will let Jedi come up. So Jedi had the first question and the hand raise.
11:49So we'll see if this works. It better not be about that trade Jedi.
11:53What's up, brother? Can you hear me? Yeah, we got you, dude.
11:57Let's go. All right. I'm going to try to be concise and quick with you guys.
12:02Appreciate you guys. So this is a dynasty. Not the same question.
12:05My it's two running backs for wide receivers. OK, my two starting running backs are Gentian Hampton.
12:10Beautiful. My starting wide receivers are Brian Thomas Luther Burden, Lad McConkey and Jalen Coker.
12:15All right. The question is I pick one, two and one for I already sniffed out and tried to trade for one,
12:21one, not actually trying to trade, just trying to gauge what he's going to take.
12:26And he's taking Mendoza. Oh, so my question is based on my running backs to running backs, Gentian Hampton.
12:32I do have Jalen Warren and Hubbard as backups, but for wide receivers, two running backs.
12:36Do I go love? And then at three wide receivers, probably Tate and then take Tyson.
12:41Or do I go Tate? Absolutely. Number three is going to take love and then take Tyson and double debt.
12:47All right. That's a great question. Jedi good stuff.
12:50And it is an easy answer for me. It is.
12:53All you need is love at two. And then you take, I mean, I think you're going to get Tyson.
12:59Tate's going to be the first pick. And I think there's an argument that Tyson might even be the better fantasy receiver this year in long term.
13:07I love that. I absolutely am in love with the situation that you're in for your team and every element of it
13:14that I guess because it's a super flex. That's why Mendoza goes first.
13:18I play into super flex and ironically love when before Mendoza in our draft, it was a 12 team, but I'm all about love.
13:25Love Tyson or love Tate here. Agree, disagree. Agreed.
13:27And it's kind of fascinating thinking about the stock of Jeremiah love where you're getting the veteran indifference.
13:33Tyler, as you're going to be the starter, James Connor still hanging around, but none of this was kind of talked about
13:39when we were doing rookie drafts right after the NFL draft.
13:43So just kind of like a reminder of how things can shift with some of these rookie rankings when you do your
13:49rookie drafts closer to the start of the season.
13:52Whereas, I mean, I didn't think twice about it.
13:55It's Jeremiah love one on one. Like even when he got drafted by the Arizona Cardinals, I'm like, yeah, this kind of sucks.
14:02Probably for year one might be annoying, but it doesn't really change the needle or move the needle for me on him.
14:08You're still drafting one on one, even in super flex over Mendoza.
14:12So yeah, Jeremiah love for me and then Tate, Tyson, whoever's available.
14:15I think they're both smash hits. Love it. By the way, shout out to Jedi to great on the mic.
14:21Great first on the audio work. Got the audio working right away.
14:25Jedi deserves some love. Great question. Anything but anything but Jedi mind tricks.
14:29Yeah. Wow. Fooled us. That was awesome, dude. All right.
14:32Let's go. I have to. I'm trying to scour through these Nicolas Cage pictures and gifts and the Aaron Rodgers one here to figure out the next question.
14:40I just found my my Halloween costume. I can't grow my hair out with the oh, yeah, you're going to do the like jeans and the what?
14:49Yeah, yeah, that would look really. That would look really good on you.
14:52That'd be a great one. Um, bunting said, fellas, are you guys moving Daniels up with digs news?
14:58Great question. Stefan digs signs a deal. It's not Brandon.
15:01I youk. LOL. Brandon. I youk. Definitely hurts Antonio Williams.
15:04We had a big scuttlebutt in the back on fantasy pros when the dig signing came in.
15:09Everybody rushed to it. And by the way, shout out to the team before you guys could blink.
15:14We had notes on fantasy pros with full breakdowns of Stefan digs and the new offense, how it affected everybody.
15:20I saw D bros full breakdown on the Stefan digs page.
15:24So we here for you. And this is this is the livelihood baby.
15:28But what do you think here? This is interesting that it's about Daniels with digs move.
15:32Is this enough to I mean, I don't know, like maybe Burrow and Daniels are the one that kind of fight for the same like spacing.
15:40What do you think about this? Is this an up move for Daniels?
15:44I already had Daniels at four, so I can't really move him up anymore.
15:48So he's behind Josh Allen, Drake, May and Lamar for me.
15:52So, okay, I think it just it kind of solidifies it maybe.
15:55Yeah, it makes him a better. It feels like a better pick where you take him as an elite fantasy quarterback, because
16:02obviously you're investing a lot in him. I know that D bro was much lower.
16:06And this was we talked about this on the tailgate.
16:09We had a show in Canton Welsh where we had a question from this court about Jane Daniels and where we had
16:16him ranked and how it would change. It's Stefan digs sign there.
16:19And obviously this unfortunately the audio did not record so that episode was lost into time, but I do remember D bro
16:26saying that I will move him up if they sign Stefan digs.
16:30And if you check D bro's rankings, he has moved up.
16:33Jane Daniels also we talked about on the tailgate.
16:36So make sure you go check that show out as well.
16:39So I'm not going to moving up, but it does make you feel much better because there weren't there wasn't a lot of help around Jane Daniels.
16:47I mean, Terry McLaurin is an older receiver as well.
16:50He's past the age of 30 coming off a season ending injury or a season that was basically derailed by injuries.
16:56And then after him, it was, I mean, this team was pumping up trail on Burks, Diami Brown, like things were looking pretty grim.
17:04I think the biggest impact to your point, Antonio Williams falls the most.
17:08I think even though I do think that he could technically be a factor in the second half of the season.
17:14Stefan digs is not he's Stefan digs is 33 years old and I know how efficient he was on a pro route per basis last year.
17:22Part of that has to do with him not playing a full compliment of routes.
17:26So we just like to point that out. He's also been on three different teams in the last three years.
17:32Now, is that just because he's like a bad guy?
17:35I don't really think that like that hasn't really been the takeaway for teams.
17:39I know he's got some like off field issues, whatever, but he has been exchanged.
17:44Like teams have not kept him after having him on the team for a year, right?
17:49Like the Patriots were like, you are our best receiver last year.
17:52We're going to let you go. We think we can do better.
17:56So try to keep that in mind. I think digs is going to be a good value as long as his ADP doesn't rise too significantly.
18:04Where do you, where do you have him? Where did you move him to?
18:08That was a bit, I did my initial move.
18:11So I'm curious if we got anywhere in the same general range.
18:14Do I ever see for three? Like he's in that, he's in that territory.
18:18Like, well, give me a number. Like range number range is fine too.
18:22If you want to be like 35 to 40 or 40 to cause I think I moved him to 37, not in a row.
18:30That's 37. I think that's pretty, I think that's pretty similar to where I have.
18:34I know D bro is a little bit more aggressive at wide receiver 30, which I get the, the bull case, especially early on in the season.
18:42Cause digs was coming off an ACL injury last year.
18:45Yeah. That's, that was the most interesting point to me among all of it was that like he, him a year removed
18:52from that injury, like it opens up space. Cause like Terry McLaurin is also like a big field stretcher.
18:57Like he made so much of his, um, he ate so much last year on those big, big plays.
19:03And Stefan digs is somebody that they can, they have, it's like maybe a little bit more of a trustworthy, like in
19:10route guy, but I'm just still not sure. Like I'm trying to think of the names.
19:15Cause I'd have to pull up my ranks right now, but like, if you like, who do you have at like 31, 32, 33?
19:22Cause I feel like that's pretty aggressive. I have him at 39.
19:25So instead of the top 40 wide receiver, three territory, you and I are like right way more in line than where D Rose at quiet confidence.
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21:02Because I do think that kind of has to do with build a little bit.
21:07As an older player, I do think that he's more likely to be productive to start the year than to end the season.
21:14He was a zero in the playoffs of the Patriots.
21:17Did not do anything, which I think did impact their reasoning and rationale to not keep him on the roster heading into 2026.
21:24Because he just disappeared in the playoffs. Because he was lights out, especially when they started playing him more in the middle
21:30and towards the late end of the regular season.
21:33But I have him kind of grouped around players like Jacoby Myers.
21:37DK Metcalf, I get that. I don't want to draft DK Metcalf, but I can only move him down so much when
21:43like he is going to be like the number one receiver or at least in terms of yardage probably on the Steelers.
21:50I have Michael Pittman in that range. I think he could be the number one target for Aaron Rodgers pretty clearly.
21:56Devontae, Alec Pierce, Marvin Harrison, that kind of tier.
21:59I wouldn't take him over Parker Washington, so that's kind of where I cut it off.
22:04But I mean, I could have a conversation about some of these other.
22:08Makai Lemon, rookie versus a veteran like Diggs. Again, you're making different type of bets with those two types of players.
22:14So I think that if your roster, you have to start a lot of receivers.
22:18Diggs makes more sense. But if it's like a two wide receivers start, I will say though, Diggs also has, I think,
22:25probably a good amount of upside too. That I'm almost trying to like factor in because if, let's say, what if Terry were to go down again?
22:33I mean, Diggs would just probably step in and be the number one guy from the jump.
22:38And you're attached to Jayden Daniels. So you feel pretty good about that.
22:42So, and I actually heard a really astute point about Diggs on one of the NFL Insiders podcast shows was he's been really good with younger quarterbacks.
22:50Like in the spots that he's landed again, helping Josh Allen take a massive leap, helping CJ Stroud a little bit before he got injured.
22:58Drake May last year. And now he gets Jayden Daniels, another young quarterback.
23:02So overall, it's a good fit. I don't know if I can get to the wide receiver 30, but I also think
23:08he's going to end up probably being good value because these websites just take so long to catch up with their ADP.
23:15I know we've talked about Debo Samuel kind of being like Keenan Allen from last year.
23:20Diggs kind of falls on a similar bucket where his ADP is just never going to recover quick enough.
23:25And you're going to always probably be able to get him just scoop him up one or two rounds ahead of ADP.
23:32You'll get a good value on him. Yeah, it takes like manual adjustments because Bogman and I did this on the in
23:38this league fantasy football show where we do this thing called you've done something similar.
23:43It's called ranks analysis where we look at all the major sites and we look at the rankings of players and we
23:50try to find trends that they're off on or deals and stuff like that.
23:54And I want to say it was like sleeper that might have had digs just buried buried buried buried.
24:00So digs is there's not going to be enough time or enough drafts necessarily to move the ADP.
24:05So you're going to have to have sites that are going to like manually move it.
24:10And sometimes they don't do that. Like ESPN is one of the worst to like do manual movements on those.
24:16So something to watch for something to see. Where is the digs before we get off the digs conversation?
24:21Because I know you've been bringing up some of the projections and some of the shows we're doing.
24:27Where is he in projections? I'm kind of curious about like the math kind of aligns them out.
24:32And if that kind of well, but the projections aren't going to be updated though.
24:37So like maybe they will be again because it happened a couple of what yesterday and give it a shot.
24:43Let's see. So the step on digs. Oh, maybe this is updated.
24:46So this is on fantasy pros, fantasy pros.com slash projections.
24:49We'll take you there. We have three different sources.
24:52We're using CBS ESPN and I'm not sure what the other one is, but they're taking some of those projections.
24:58And this is so this is an aggregate. So the aggregate projection right now, the number I got, I'll be honest with you.
25:05I can't tell you. It's probably it's somewhere in the thirties, but I will tell you the, what he is projected and
25:12who's he's above and below projected for 66 catches, 773 and five touchdowns.
25:15First off, does that sound relatively accurate to you?
25:18Higher, lower. Or just how many yards was it?
25:21Around 773. Just shy of 800. Yeah. Yeah. Cause he was right around a thousand last year as the number one.
25:27Now he's the number two. So I think in begging in any type of older receiver, maybe falling off like a tiny bit.
25:34I think that that's, that's probably pretty accurate. Here are wide receivers that he's just below.
25:39He's below, uh, Michael Wilson, Chris Godwin, Jordan, Jordan Addison and Jordan Tyson.
25:43But he is above, this is half point projections.
25:46He's above worthy Josh downs, uh, McKay lemon Shakir, not a lot of other big guy like Coker golden, like some of
25:52those, but he's actually really not above a bunch of those guys.
25:56Parker Washington kind of blows them out the water way up there.
25:59Wanda Robinson, Jaden, uh, Jaden Reed. So maybe the projections aren't quite, they're an aggressive yet, but they're, they're floating out there.
26:06So there's your Stefan digs talk. Uh, very good.
26:09We've got quite a few hand raises, so we're going to be talking to some of our listeners here in a second,
26:15but all of this is what we're talking about.
26:18We're talking about, you know, where can you get Stefan digs?
26:21We're talking about sites and how they're going to move.
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27:34All right. We got a nice little queue here and let's try Seattle again.
27:38Seattle. It almost looked like chakras to me here, but a Seattle premium member, Seattle sharks premium member on the fantasy pros discord.
27:45We're going to give it another shot. You got to accept.
27:48Oh, okay. Now we got on mute. We just got to hit that unmute button at the bottom, bottom left.
27:54There's a little microphone. It crossed off on cross it.
27:57I wish I could unmute him, but I can't.
28:00Oh, Seattle. Just unmute your mic. I unmute him.
28:02There's a little button. There's a little tiny baby button.
28:05That's sitting there. This. Yes. Wait, you got it.
28:08Speak now. Sold. I'm sorry, Seattle. We're all so close.
28:11Get it where you got. That's that was a, that was second down.
28:15I don't know if you're getting it a fourth down, but you get, you have a third down.
28:20If you can, if you trust you have it figured out, you just let us know, my man.
28:26All right. Uh, Hokie, Hokie, a regular in here.
28:29What's up, Hokie? How's it going? Good. Oh, get closer to wherever your phone is or whatever.
28:34You sound far away. Is that any better? Yeah, it's a little bit better.
28:38What's up, dude? So I just want to, uh, I'm not, I came in kind of late, so I'm not exactly sure what the scope of discussion is.
28:46So if I jump into something, that's whatever you want, my man, whatever fantasy football, whatever you got.
28:52So we're in the, uh, we're in, I'm a 12 team dynasty league, half PPR one QB, uh, two running back, two
28:58wide receiver, tight end flex, ticker BST. We're three and a half rounds into our rookie, um, uh, free agent draft.
29:05Uh, we have a 20 team in season or 20 player in season, uh, roster cut to 14 before the draft.
29:11So I came into the, came into the draft with the following QBs, Prescott, Nick Shuck, running backs, Jonathan Taylor, Chase Brown,
29:18Travion Henderson, five receiver, Garrett Wilson, Brian Thomas, Jr.
29:20Michael Wilson, uh, Alec Pierce, Pearsall and Hunter. I'll be those, those last three are just multiple slaps to the face at the moment.
29:27Um, so I've tried to focus a bit on, uh, and, uh, Dalton Kincaid at tight end.
29:33So on the draft so far between trades and drafting, I've tried to focus on receiver and tight end.
29:38Um, one of my league mates decided to, um, draft, uh, Sadiq and decided he didn't need Sam LaPorter anymore.
29:44So I managed to trade for him and add him together with Kincaid.
29:48Okay. Um, I got, uh, Denzel Boston, a receiver picked up Jonah Coleman running back.
29:53Um, so I'm sitting here now at the three 10 coming up in about five or six picks.
29:58So I know, I know that's a lot of info real fast, but you guys hear this from multiple people every day.
30:05So, um, trying to decide which way I ought to go.
30:08Oh, my last pick, I actually picked up, uh, Rashid Shahid as well.
30:12Um, um, looking at some projections and it's sort of telling me, pointing me towards Jeremy Bernard.
30:17Um, give us a couple of names before you do it.
30:20Give us a couple of names that are floating out there.
30:24Cause that was a lot of info. Just tell us like who, like our guys, like Cyrus Allen and Stribbling out there.
30:30You're saying Bernard, give us a couple of names.
30:33They just got, Stribbling just got taken. Dang it.
30:36Um, so wide receivers, I think best available are, uh, Bernard, Zachariah Branch, Trey Harris.
30:40Um, Emmitt Johnson's still available at running back. Um, and he got some veteran guys, uh, Pat Bryant, one way and Jaden Blewett running back.
30:48Um, I was on, I was on one with Debro not that long ago and he was really, uh, saying lots of good things about Oscar Delp.
30:56And, you know, now that I've picked up Laporta, I don't need to, I need to go that route, but I was
31:02actually thinking about maybe trying to flip Laporta to improve my wide receiver situation.
31:07Uh, but it leaves me with Kincaid and, you know, Kincaid's problem is if he's on the field, he's terrific, but problem
31:13is he's not on the field enough. Uh, so that's what worries me.
31:17Okay. Um, a lot of stuff there, Hokie. We'll see if we can get through it.
31:22Appreciate the question. Emma Johnson is the clear pick to me.
31:25I think that's the best long-term position player. Um, you tell me different though, Erickson, like I, I can tell this is one of those leagues.
31:33It's like, I mean, if he just got Laporta and he's now thinking of moving him again, like sure.
31:39If you can trade Laporta and you can get an upgrade at wide receiver, I'm totally down with that.
31:44But I think in a nutshell, like I just want BPA and I think Emma Johnson's the best player there.
31:50So I am clearly, uh, taking him. I'm not sure if I traded Laporta, that would change my mind necessarily.
31:56But what do you think? I think Emma Johnson's probably play for running backs.
32:01Which I usually like getting, especially Ken Walker. If for some reason he can't hold up over a full season, Emma Johnson look fantastic.
32:08Fantastic prospect profile would see probably very sizable workload.
32:10Not really concerned about him versus like Demarcato, Bershardt Smith.
32:13Emma Johnson's a good dynasty pick. Someone who invests in that being said, he also did mention Trey Harris is available.
32:20I love Trey Harris this year as a Chargers wide receiver sleeper.
32:23Welsh, I was workshopping this take for Trey Harris.
32:26When I look at the Chargers receiver room, he is the one to me that stands out the most as an actual
32:33prototypical X alpha wide receiver where you have Quentin Johnson more in that Z role, which is much more suited to what he does.
32:40And then Ladd in the slot. How many times have we seen a Shanahan-esque offense X receiver be really good in fantasy?
32:46Like that has happened a lot of different places, whether it's Garcon, Andre Johnson, Julio Jones.
32:51Like we've seen this before. And Trey Harris, to me, what if he is that guy?
32:56What if he is the X receiver in this offense and he's just being totally slept on, totally overlooked when he coming in, he's a second round pick.
33:05Same as Ladd McConkie. Quinn Johnson was the first round pick, but has good draft capital.
33:09The coaches are continuing to rave about him. Mike McDaniel has talked about how they loved him coming out of Ole Miss
33:16last year when he was the head coach of the Miami Dolphins.
33:20And I did some digging because I was really just like clawing at trying to find ways to make this make sense to me.
33:27I looked at all the teams that Trey Harris visited on his draft when he was a prospect last year.
33:33Rams, 49ers, Patriots. And then there was another Shanahan system that he also visited.
33:37And then he obviously got drafted by the Chargers.
33:40So there was a lot of interest in teams that needed prototypical X receivers that wanted Trey Harris.
33:45He wrote love Trey Harris coming out. I know D-Rose on the Johnson side now, but he did love Trey Harris a lot as a prospect.
33:53So I think he's really intriguing from a long distance.
33:56So you're taking him over to John. Yeah. I mean, if he's available, because he's a veteran in a rookie draft.
34:02So I would take, yeah, I would take Trey Harris.
34:05Again, he's got this five picks away. So there's a chance that one of them gets taken.
34:10Yeah. I'm fine with Trey Harris being the second guy, but I'm clearly taking Emmitt Johnson in there in that constructed roster.
34:17Remind everybody, if you're listening to the show and you're just like, here's a lot of Dynasty talk today.
34:23And you're like, man, why aren't they talking about this?
34:26Then come into the show and hang out with us.
34:29You guys get to be the producers of the show.
34:32You get to dictate what we're talking about. And we have now got a big old full queue of questions with about 15 to 20 to go.
34:40So we'll try to get through all of these.
34:42But great questions so far. Come and hang out with us from over 2 p.m.
34:47Eastern every Thursday on the Fantasy Bros Discord, fantasypros.com slash chat.
34:50The extra point with us. Let's go to Catalyst.
34:53Catalyst on the line. What you got, dude? Erickson.
34:56Hey, Welsh. Thanks for having me on the show.
34:58What's up, man? Yeah. So one of my issues with my current Dynasty League is I'm dealing with a very toxic market
35:05where it's based on hoarding talent and as well as scalping it to like I could not move out of my draft picks at 106 and 108.
35:13But I mean, I'm not too sad about it because I got Lemon and Conception respectively at those positions.
35:19I like that. My only issue right now is with the running back and quarterback room because my only talents are just Justin Herbert and Gentey respectively.
35:27And then it's just a drop off with Shadour, Spears, and Samson.
35:30Okay. So where do you want us to go?
35:33Are you curious about moving off of your talent to build up a bigger room or what do you got here?
35:39I think so. Next year, I'm going to have two 27 first round picks, likely mid, potentially one early pick or early 2027.
35:46So should I just like ride out with what I currently have or try to make my best effort to like buy
35:53even if it's like us basically like being scalped at this point for a running back two and another quarterback?
35:59I would say a great question, Catalyst. Just for me, Eric, I want to get your take on this mainly, but I don't know.
36:06I'm not sure. You don't sound like you're in a position to like really, really compete.
36:11And you've got a bunch of picks next year.
36:14And me and no one saw it unless you were in the room because we do have video on in here.
36:20We both smiled when we heard like toxic room because we play in those type of leagues where everyone's the smartest in
36:27the room and no one trades anybody with buzz and everybody hoards everything and every trade is like, I just can't do that for you.
36:34For me, that doesn't sound like a high end competitive team.
36:37I'm probably just going in and then I'm waiting to put people's feet to the coals and I'm going to try to be very aggressive in the trademark.
36:46I don't like to just take the take. I tend to be a little bit more the person doesn't work out for
36:52me sometimes, but the person that's like, well, I'm not going to just trade low because you guys have dictated it trading low.
36:59So let those teams that are on the high end competing have to finally break.
37:04And if I've got the pieces to sell, so it's kind of back and forth there on that.
37:09But like, I think I'm waiting in season a little bit.
37:13I'm not trading any future pieces and getting scalped, as you were saying, for for a really difficult trading league.
37:19But what do you think, Erickson? This is usually the worst time of year to be buying running backs.
37:24So I think that I would just wait. I remember writing a dynasty article a couple of years ago about my favorite
37:31player targets and all the running backs I recommended all end up being horrible investments.
37:35And it was just because the market timing just does not play favorably into a role that is so volume dependent.
37:42And what happens? We know that volume changes very, very quickly.
37:45Situations change and guys get injured. And then you immediately see running backs values fluctuate rapidly.
37:50So although right now, I mean, you still have gente, right?
37:53So you got at least you have like a hero RB build.
37:57So you have somebody and then, hey, who knows?
37:59Dylan Samson, maybe he gives you a couple of weeks here and there and a full PPR or something along those lines.
38:06So I think it kind of piecemeal together at RB to slot.
38:10It's the most replaceable position, in my opinion, on your fantasy roster.
38:13Quarterback is a different story. Quarterbacks are currency in dynasty, especially in super flex.
38:17So I don't really think you usually have to overpay for them anyway.
38:21So I'm that's the direction I would go if you really want to address your roster.
38:26Again, if Shadur is your QB too, I would wait and I would probably wait for Deshaun Watson to play and then
38:33you're going to get the most for Shadur when he's named the starter because ultimately that's what I think is going to happen.
38:40I would say in terms of buying low on quarterbacks, I mean, do you kick the tires on JJ McCartney?
38:46Like, because like that's like the cheapest guy you can get.
38:49Yeah, I'm not even in that world right now.
38:52I'm not like we're just in different spaces. I'm not in that world of thinking about what do I go buy low?
38:58I'm just I'm sitting with my pieces. I'm not letting and accepting low offers.
39:02And then I'm going to dangle Herbert and maybe even Jenty out there to try to get explosive returns, especially if you
39:09have two first round picks in next year's draft, which is really, really strong.
39:13So I would want to hold those assets as strong to a deal where you're like, holy crap, I need to get
39:20in the room and ask, you know, I need to ask Erickson, do I have to do this deal because it looks so good?
39:27Like that's the type of thing you need to do.
39:30And if that league doesn't allow it, then, you know, screw them.
39:34Hate. I hate being for those leagues. Those are rough ones.
39:37All right. Frankie love. Frankie love in the house.
39:40Bring the love. Bring. Yeah. Bring the love. Not the Jeremiah though.
39:43So Frankie, what's up, dude? How you doing guys?
39:46Can you hear me? Yeah, we got you. Good, man.
39:49All right. I have actually two questions. I'm not sure if it's only basic on dynasty.
39:54I don't do dynasty. Unfortunately, I'm trying to work on one, but I have a four.
39:59I have two quick questions. I have a 14 man league.
40:02I'm going to do this year. How do you, how would you, it's like my second time ever doing it.
40:08I, I ended the last, the last time we did a 14 man league, I had a horrible team.
40:14How would you approach a 14 man league? Would you go running back or would you go receiver?
40:19Of course, first two rounds, you're going to get something.
40:22Um, I'm sure them leagues are like one injury away from, you know, having a bad, bad year.
40:27But, um, and then my second question would be my super flex league.
40:31Um, I was thinking about this year doing a different approach, going for talent and maybe riding out like two lower, like
40:38two quarterbacks and like maybe the third, fourth turnaround around there, like getting maybe like a Baker and like a, maybe golf
40:45staff or something lower, a little lower maybe. But I, I, I don't know how you feel about having two or lower level quarterbacks.
40:52Not that they're that bad, but I just usually, I usually get quarterbacks early, but it didn't work out last year.
40:58What, what a pick are you talking about is in what, and how, what size league and the super flex.
41:04So the super flex is 10 man league. Um, we, we didn't do picks yet.
41:09They do rent. We'll be randomized. 10 man, 10 man answers everything.
41:12Uh, uh, thank you, Frankie, the super flex version.
41:15Um, the first thing I'm going to tell you to do is you're going to go on the draft wizard and you're
41:21going to put in a 10 man super flex league.
41:24You're going to put in, you maybe either sink your league or whatever, go in there and experiment and see what that build looks like.
41:32Uh, because I have done quite a few mocks in super flex and I have fallen in love each time.
41:38I've been a little bit later because here's what I'm going to say.
41:42It's hard to do the, the late quarterback. If you have the third pick, like, I don't think I want to pass up one of the elite quarterbacks.
41:50If you have the fifth or six, I think once you get to there, it's super easy.
41:55And I have loved my builds each time with not taking a quarterback in my first two picks.
42:01So I highly suggest going to the draft simulator, uh, set up a mock.
42:05You could just do it against the bots, pick some different spots, do a 10 man super flex and see what it looks like.
42:12Not taking a quarterback early. I think in a 10 man league that is very, very plausible and probably what I'm doing.
42:19I'd rather have the elite guys, uh, Erickson, you're welcome to talk on that, but I really want to get you on the 14 man.
42:26What do you think? Uh, if you can add on the super flex, but what do you think on that 14 man structure?
42:33How would you want to tackle that running back versus wide receiver?
42:37I think it's probably going to be running back for me.
42:40I just find that after the first two rounds, and this is true in 12 team leagues after the first 24 picks,
42:47you like the receivers a lot more than you like the running backs.
42:51And that's just more amplified. Cause by the time that you're make your second pick in the 14 team league, the stud
42:57running backs all might be gone at that point.
43:00And so if you didn't get one in the first round, then you might be really screwed and then have to follow
43:07an entire zero RB approach, which is even tougher to do in a 14 team league.
43:11When waivers are barren, there's way more competition. There's no depth.
43:15And it's so funny how when you jump from a 12 team league to 14 team league, how much worse the rosters just become.
43:22You're like, this team sucks. Like, but like everybody feels that way because of how much, how many more players are selected in the draft.
43:29So I think with the 14 team league running back, I'd still prioritize.
43:33I think would probably shy away from some of the onesie positions just because if they don't fire, like you, you have
43:40to fill those running back and wide receiver slots.
43:43Cause there's more of them. So you need more of those bodies.
43:46And if you get a tight end drafting it highly and they don't fire for you, man, like you are facing such an uphill battle.
43:54There's also less late round tight ends that you can try to hit on.
43:58So I think for me, it's probably start with running back and aggressively hit running backs receivers in general, definitely go late
44:05round quarterback, a hundred percent in a 14 team because you need to use those spaces, those depth or those extra roster
44:11spots on the core parts of your roster. So that, that's it on the 14 team league.
44:16Welsh, do you have any disagreements? Nope. Do you kind of co-sign?
44:20Yeah, no, I co-sign. I co-sign on that. Very good questions here.
44:23All right. We're in the 10 minute marker. So it'd be a little bit lightning round.
44:28We got people in the queue. So hopefully we can get to everybody.
44:32Uh, take two. This is second down for stinky dingus stinky.
44:35There we go. Finally got it. Yeah, baby. What's up?
44:38What up? What's up? Appreciate you guys. Yeah, man.
44:41So I have a quick question about my dynasty 12 team super flex QB situation.
44:46Okay. So we're just done with the startup draft and I have my homes dart and cam ward.
44:51I was wondering which of the three do you feel like would be the best to try to tear up from?
44:57And which one do you feel like would be the easiest to do that?
45:02So that way I'm not selling the farm to maybe move up one or two spots on the QB rankings.
45:08Okay. Interesting. Good question. Stinky dingus. Um, I actually thought he was going to say he had a problem and I was like, you don't have a problem.
45:16You don't have a quarterback problem. I feel like the guy I would want to move up from would be my homes,
45:23but I would want like a little bit of action.
45:26Once the juice gets back up where it feels vintage my homes, maybe you can move up, but I feel like the
45:32easiest is going to be Jackson dart. But like, what does that look like trading off of a young guy?
45:38I'm not sure I want to do cam ward.
45:41I don't think really plays into what you're looking for here.
45:44So, uh, what do you think Erickson? Who is the one that you want to move?
45:49You think you move and who is the one that is the easiest to move?
45:54Well, to me, my homes and darts to make their in the same conversation, right?
45:58Is that, is that okay for me to say that in terms of dynasty?
46:02Say whatever you want. Well, no, I'm asking you.
46:05What are you talking about? No, I'm asking if you feel the same way in their cam ward.
46:10Cam ward, a tear up to cam ward would be to my homes and dark.
46:15Um, ward hasn't done anything. I mean, maybe I actually would maybe argue that like a tear up from ward is maybe
46:21more the like love and Murray range and Murray and love are a more direct tier up.
46:27Or their next move up is to more of them a home slash.
46:30I mean, I'm splitting hairs a little bit, but like, I think ward is a couple spots.
46:36So that's why I'm saying ward doesn't count into this because it's like, I don't really think you can move him for that much.
46:43And I don't think he'll be easy to move.
46:45He is the guy that would be great to move up a tear, but I think he's the most difficult to do that with.
46:53But like a my homes, you could, I mean, you could move off of my homes and get a, an old Stafford and like a pick or something.
47:01And I don't think you've moved off anywhere. Can you really trade any of these guys and move up a tear?
47:07Like, I don't think so. How would you do that?
47:10That's kind of, I guess I'm like, what are you, is it like my homes plus to get Herbert?
47:16Is that the, cause like, I'm trying to figure out exactly what a tear up would look like because my homes is 30, 31.
47:23So he's on the opposite end of, he's not a young quarterback, not like super old.
47:28He's also coming up a season ending injury. He's Patrick Mahomes at the end of the day, but is it my homes to get it to Caleb Williams?
47:37Cause I think that when you're trying to tear off of my homes, it's just, Hey, can I grab somebody younger?
47:43Yeah. I think that's kind of like, I think the focus needed to be more.
47:47Who's the guy you think you, you can more easily move.
47:51And is it my home or dart? And I think, I think there's going to be tons of action on dart.
47:57It's just like, I don't see how you're going to improve, but I think you will undoubtedly get the most action with dart right now.
48:04But I wouldn't want to do it. I think I probably agree with that.
48:09So it would be dart to move up to, I guess I would, again, guys, I have ranked ahead of dart.
48:15So my homes is right next to him. It really just depends on where you are in your roster.
48:21Do you want an older quarterback? Do you want a younger quarterback?
48:24So they're back to back of my rankings, but Trevor Lawrence, Caleb Williams, Joe Burrow, Herbert Jackson, Josh Allen, Jay Daniels, Drake May.
48:31I think you just hold like, I think you just hold brother.
48:35I think so. I don't, I don't know what you could put together with dart to get up to Daniels, to Drake May.
48:42I mean, you're gonna have to pay a lot, especially in a super flex format.
48:46It's a, it's kind of a weird, I feel like this is a round hole square peg type of conversation where you're really trying to force to move.
48:55I mean, I don't think you look, if you, when you missed it off your quarterback room, I'm like, it's like, it
49:01looks like one of my dynasty rosters where like I have dart.
49:05I have my home. I also have Drake May humble brag, but I don't think it's a terrible quarterback room.
49:11I think maybe again, of the quarterbacks I listed off, like who's a, I mean, can't really, it's hard to buy Caleb Williams.
49:18He's going, he's on the Madden. I just think you got to wait for my homes to get back in action and him improve his stock.
49:26And then you move. Well, here's a, here's, here's a one I'm proposing is about, and then we'll go to the next
49:32question, but would you move off one of these guys to get Trevor Lawrence?
49:36Who's 27. So he's significantly more than homes. He's not old.
49:40And maybe you don't have to throw him really much extra at all.
49:44Yeah, sure. Considering Lawrence hasn't like, yeah. So that's probably how I would view it.
49:48Absolutely. Good question, man. Uh, why gamer premium member on the fantasy pros discord?
49:52Why not? Why not? Hey, what's up guys? What up dude?
49:56Not much, not much. Uh, question. Um, I'm in this 12 team keeper league and I can only keep three.
50:02Now I don't have a fifth round pick or a six round pick.
50:05And the guys that I'm considering, I can basically keep Malik.
50:09Alshon Jeffrey. Uh, I'll sign Jeffrey. I'll sign Jenti.
50:11I was like, Whoa, this is, this is a keeper league from 10 years ago.
50:16That'd be dope. All right. Jenti, neighbors. Christian Watson.
50:19He's an undrafted, um, Malik neighbors to, for more context, uh, it was, was round three.
50:23So, so it's contingent on the round. Correct. Correct.
50:26And it's two rounds up. Um, um, whoever I keep.
50:29So then I got Rashi Rice. Okay. Yeah. Yeah.
50:32Neighbors will be a one. Yes. Got it. And what is Jenti?
50:35Or I can keep, or I can keep them in the same, same round.
50:40I can basically tag them, put our franchise tag.
50:42But you can only do that on one guy.
50:45One guy. And then last question, what is Jenti?
50:48No, no. Oh, Jenti is one, uh, round one.
50:50So that was just an automatic spot. Yeah. And then there's a, two more guys.
50:55I got Loveland and I got Christian. Um, not Christian.
50:58I got Christian Watson. Uh, that I said is undrafted.
51:01And who's the Caleb Williams. Who's in those two Caleb Williams and Loveland are both drafted in round eight.
51:07Okay. Well, so essentially there'll be a six. I think like Jenti at one is kind of obvious if you're allowed to do it.
51:14Cause he doesn't move up. I feel like I want to tag neighbors to keep them at a three and then that gives you a second round pick.
51:22And then what was, what round was rice? Five.
51:25So essentially he'll be a three. So he would be a three.
51:29And then you had Caleb and Loveland that were like eights or something.
51:33Sorry. Sorry. I should also mention this, that whatever guy I do tag, it doesn't matter.
51:37The rest of the guys, they go up around.
51:40So I essentially, I can't keep basically, I would need an extra round if I wanted to keep Jenti and Malik neighbors,
51:47because if I tag, it's not like the, the manager has a setup where it's where we're the first guy is.
51:53Everybody else gets round up or gets wronged up.
51:56Okay. This is like that. Oh, sorry, brother. I knocked you off there.
52:00This is like that. Charlie, uh, the Charlie meme from always sunny where it's like, man, I got to figure out and
52:06it's just like the board and you're just trying to figure out all the stuff there.
52:11So, uh, how do you decipher this? I think Watson was the very end.
52:15Loveland and Williams were late. Rasheed Rice is kind of high.
52:18Um, I mean, you got it. And it sounds like he has to pick between neighbors and Jenti.
52:24You can only keep one of them. So I was a little, we still got two more questions.
52:29I'd love to get these. So try to hype around this, but how would you approach this with three keepers?
52:35I thought he could keep Loveland. He can't. Or six.
52:38Yeah. But that's the only player he can keep.
52:41Well, I guess like for me, it's like, what he doesn't have a, I thought that he could only keep one franchise tag, one player.
52:48Yeah. You can only franchise one player, but he, if, okay.
52:52So if you, let's do this Malik or Jenti, which one?
52:55Jenti. Okay. So Jenti is a first round. So then now you don't have to, the neighbors goes away, but by Sia,
53:02uh, he could tag Loveland if he'd like with the eight, with whatever round that was the eighth round.
53:07And he doesn't move up at all, but, um, well, no, see then he couldn't keep Jenti.
53:13Cause he said all the other guys move up.
53:15So if he tags, yeah. So if he tags a dude, he can't keep Jenti.
53:20So then Loveland would move up and probably cost him like a fourth.
53:24Again, this is like, we're doing like a rhythm.
53:26He said, he said he was in the eighth and he'd move up two spots to the six.
53:32But he said he didn't have a five and a six.
53:35So I think that would make him a fourth.
53:38Well, I think that would, you know what I'm saying?
53:41This is one of those complicated ones. Oh man.
53:43Let's not, okay. We're going to, we'll be here for a week.
53:47Let's focus on the players. What are the, what are the three players you want to keep with a pseudo understanding of like the, the keeper stuff here?
53:55Jenti, Neighbors, Loveland. Okay. Let's, we can't, we can only keep one of Jenti or Neighbors though.
54:01So we said three guys I can keep in the chat.
54:04He just said. Yeah. But, but the problem is remember if he franchises, everybody moves up and Neighbors is a three, which would be a one.
54:12So he cannot keep both of them. So in a, in a vacuum, Neighbors, Jenti, it's gotta be your, in a, in
54:18a vacuum, Neighbors, Jenti and Loveland would be awesome, but I think he can only keep one of those two.
54:24So let's give him a version of one of Jenti or Neighbors and then two other guys.
54:29Jenti, Loveland, Rice. Jenti, Loveland, Rice. Okay. Perfect. Because then that would be Jenti's a one, Rice would be a three and
54:36Loveland who he says right here, he doesn't have a six would become a five.
54:40So that's how that would work. So hopefully we answered that.
54:44That's you got, you have very mean, fancy people that you're playing with.
54:48Those are not nice people to do all those.
54:50Oh man. It's one thing when you do the rounds, I play a keeper league that does rounds, but the whole, like,
54:57then they go up by two if you keep them and then everybody goes up if you franchise.
55:02That's too much. That's, that's just too much. But I prefer when you, you got a tax on inflation for the keepers
55:09and what, what, what the, what the price of gas was last year when you drafted, there's an environmental tax.
55:15There's also a hotel fee and it's just like, it's a little too much.
55:19Like just when you'd go by round and you just are like, Hey, every year they move up one.
55:25Like I like my keeper league. I think having insanity and stuff can be fun, but stuff like that's just like, it's
55:32like a little too much to me. All right.
55:34Uh, let's try to do these super round. This is the final shot.
55:38What a great way this will be. Actually, you know what?
55:41Hold on. Sharks stay there. We're going to end the show with you.
55:45See if we can end the show with you.
55:48I'm going to go to chasing life real quick.
55:51Still chasing life. Unmute your mic. Let's get you.
55:53And let's see if we can end on a bang where sharks, uh, incomplete on first down.
55:59What's up, guys? What's up, dude? What do you got sharks?
56:02Oh, or not sharks. What do you got chasing?
56:05Hey, Hey, I got a Rossi rice dynasty dynasty league.
56:08I'm trying to trade them away. I got an offer for, uh, Zay flowers and Eli flowers.
56:13Take it. Um, for Rossi rice and Tyler Warren.
56:15Oh no, don't take it. That's too much. If it's rice.
56:19Uh, no, I don't like that too much. Yep.
56:21No. Who did you say? It's Zay flowers and who else?
56:25Stowers. Uh, Stowers. Eli Stowers. Nope. Got a big old fight last year.
56:29Remember Erickson about Tyler Warren and his dynasty value.
56:31Big old fight. Big old fight about it. Remember?
56:34It was like chase Brown versus Tyler Warren. And I didn't want to trade chase Brown for Tyler Warren.
56:40I remember who has more dynasty value. You know, I remember who's going for, who's going higher redraft chase Brown.
56:46Yeah. I was defending chase Brown. What are you talking about?
56:49You were defending Tyler Warren. Oh, I'm like, I don't even, I remember having the conversation, but I don't remember who was right.
56:56And I didn't want to trade chase Warren for Tyler, Tyler Warren.
57:00And you're like, look at the value now. So like, yeah, I'm totally, I'm chase Warren on that.
57:05I, but I can't do that. I can't trade Zay flowers and Tyler or wait rice and Warren.
57:10Yeah. Yeah. He's probably just got a hold. I think if you have rice and dynasty, you just hold and take his
57:17production to the bank and then deal with his fall off.
57:20Like, cause you're just not going to get, and you're not going to get, anything worth his actual production.
57:26Cause we all know he's not going to be on the chiefs next year and they're going to let him go and let him walk.
57:33And then he's going to, who knows? Yeah. Do a hundred down the freeway again, whatever.
57:38All right. Sharks. It's going to be the last one.
57:41Can you do it? This is very exciting. Pressure's on shark.
57:45Did you hear me? Oh, it is good. Extra point is good.
57:48What's up, dude. Finish us off here. Sharks. What do you got for the final question of the show?
57:54The shorts is with me. 12 team PPR half, sorry.
57:57A half PPR 12 team league, one quarterback, two receivers, two running backs, two flexes, either Drake may keeping in the 10th
58:03or keeping a Mecca at Buka in the sixth.
58:06Wait, so it may in the 10th at Buka in the sixth.
58:10And this is a single quarterback. Yes. Okay, good.
58:12Side note real quick. Do you understand the Schwartz reference, Erickson?
58:16Schwartz. I do not. All right. All right. Well, we'll tackle this next week.
58:20Everybody get ready. This is something, this is a very, very important thing in my world.
58:25We're going to have to move out of the eighties, the nineties and go into the eighties, maybe seventies.
58:31Actually. Uh, I, we're going to blow your mind, but we don't have time for it.
58:35What do you think? May in the 10th or Buka in the sixth single quarterback quarterback is so deep and I love
58:42Drake may, but there's so many other options. Egg Buka, I go book in the six is also like a screening value.
58:49I mean, you're, that's, that's just all banking on the breakout being real and you're not really baking in as any risk
58:55because it's round six that you're getting him in.
58:58So I'm going to go with egg Buka. I mean, there's still a chance you can still just draft Drake may anyway,
59:04even if you throw him back in the pool.
59:07Like that's something I always think about too, with these keeper questions is if you like both guys consider, okay, well you
59:14can still draft them if they are back on the board.
59:17So Drake may, and there's so much depth at quarterback, he's going to go later in drafts anyway, then I book.
59:23So I would take the bucks receiver. All right.
59:26I think I'm with you on that one. That's just tough because like, if it was flipped, you know what I mean?
59:33And like may was a six questions are it's keeper question season.
59:36And it's tough. It's tough out there in the street in the water.
59:40Like there are some real, it's like these teams are so loaded.
59:44I'm like, I love all these players so much.
59:46Oh no. Well, listen, if it's dynasty, if it's a keeper, if it's redraft, if it's super flex, whatever it is, I
59:53mean, IDP, maybe not, but like everything else, like we'll, we'll still answer it and do it.
59:58We got you covered. So come and hang out here 2 PM Eastern every Thursday.
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60:31So hopefully, and then we're going to have to talk about space balls next week.
60:35That's the important thing. Cause you didn't understand the Schwartz reference and this is important, but we'll do it at some point.
60:42So hopefully we see all you guys hanging out.
60:44If you're listening on the podcast, you know what to do.
60:48Thank you guys for joining us for this first rendition of the extra point for the season.
60:53We're going to be here for you the rest of the draft season.
60:57So let's get prepped for the draft. And we are here every Thursday in season as well.
61:02And that's where the wildness comes in. And we have to put our one caveat on what you're not allowed to do on the show.
61:09And what are you not allowed to do, Erickson?
61:12Ask about Thursday night. Ask about the Thursday night football game and the Thursday morning show.
61:17Exactly. Love it. All right. You guys rock. Thank you to everybody that came up and chatted with us.
61:23Erickson, it is great to see you and great to do this again.
61:26That is going to do it for us right here on Fantasy Pros, the fantasy football podcast for the extra point.
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