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0:11Looking at your what would D-Bro do bracelet? Maybe staying up late at night and thinking, what does Jake Seeley really want to draft in the ninth round?
0:19If the answer is yes to any of these things, we have you covered for this episode.
0:25I'm Chris Welsh, right here on Fantasy Pros. I've got Derek Brown and Jake Seeley, so we will actually be answering those
0:31questions, where we are putting together what could be seen as the perfect draft.
0:35The blueprint to tackle each round, where we are going to look at D-Bro and Jake's favorite players in each round, and not just a couple rounds.
0:43We are doing the entire draft. After it's all done, we'll even take a little look at what those teams might look like.
0:50So that's what we've got in store here. Mr.
0:53Derek Brown, it's great to see you. This exercise, did you find yourself making any big concerted changes?
0:58Obviously, we're going to move through here, but did you learn anything about yourself as you, you know, unveiled the blueprint on how to draft like D-Bro?
1:06Well, one, I'm going to go double check the merch store and see if that bracelet is in there.
1:11Two, WDD is what we are looking for. That's a lot easier for me.
1:16Everybody can just use their Jesus bracelets, although that feels weird to say that.
1:20Yeah, but... Yeah, for D-Bro. What would Jake do?
1:22Yeah, yeah, yeah, I get that, yeah. Oh! Actually, make it all in do, because then it'd be a wad.
1:28Then you can say, there you go. What would all in do?
1:32Oh, well, yeah. What's your wad look like? But, but, uh, bleh.
1:35But back to... That was weird. Phrasing. That's amazing.
1:38But anyway, back to the original cover. Um, yeah, I, I kinda, Welsh, when I got through, uh, going and picking players,
1:45I was like, dude, the third and fourth round was incredibly hard.
1:48I was like, do I have to just pick one?
1:51I like so many players in this range, man.
1:54Yeah. And Jake, uh, not to peel behind the curtain, we haven't even gotten to it yet, but like, we were kind of experimenting in the background.
2:02You had actually ended up doing something through the first three, not necessarily at that time, you weren't even looking at it like a team build.
2:09Yeah. And this isn't necessarily meant to be like a full team build.
2:13This is your best values per round as well.
2:16But you had done something that you changed, uh, a little bit before we started the show.
2:21So let me ask you the question. The thing that you learned about yourself, did you learn that you really like running backs this year in early rounds?
2:29I really liked some of the values of certain running backs.
2:32Yes. And really what it came down to, you know, the peak behind the curtain was, it started three running backs because
2:39I read this as the best, my favorite value in each round.
2:42And it's like, wow, favorite value, first round, favorite value, second round.
2:46Like actually Debro and I, when we get to my second rounder, I can consider him as the end of the first round.
2:53Um, but then the point being is like, well, then we're talking roster construction.
2:57And I looked at the end of the roster.
3:00I was like, well, that's not something I would do.
3:03But I think what we can learn from that is that when you find your wide receiver in the first two, I
3:09would say first two rounds that you do really like wherever you're drafting, because it's not my pick because I love this running back so much.
3:17But AJ Brown in the second round, I thought was a terrific value where he is right now.
3:22Um, to be able to get a wide receiver in the first two rounds, knowing that there's still a lot of running back values.
3:29I love like the one I have is one of other favorites still in the third round.
3:34So I think you can still get two running backs in the first three rounds, but make sure, you know, because there
3:41are so many values that you do have to get a wide receiver in there if you want to build and that's setting the stage.
3:48That's it in the stage for you guys is we're going to be going through.
3:52I think we have 14 picks, uh, that each one is over.
3:56I mean, it's gonna be like 28 plus players with a few little extras in.
4:00And at the very end, I will recap to see again, what this team kind of looks like and what it says about the entirety of it.
4:08If you guys want to follow along in some of the conversation that we're doing and we bring up ECR, you can
4:15go to fantasy pros.com slash NFL slash rankings, and you can check out the ECR that we're going to be referencing in here.
4:22Uh, also the player values, you can click on the ADP tab.
4:25If you want to see ECR versus ADP, lots of helpful stuff.
4:29You can go and do that on fantasy pros on the website, or even check it out on the app.
4:35Gentlemen, let's just jump into this bad boy. Let's go to round one where each of you get to make your big pick and D bro.
4:42We're going to start with you originally. That's why I was like laughing about this.
4:47It was, you know, Jake had all these running backs and then you D bro are actually kicking off.
4:52So it's like, I'm kind of a running back guy here and I get to have all these running back conversations and D bro.
5:00You are going to jump in with your first round pick of a running back that you've got a big case for,
5:06but maybe not quite the player that people might be thinking.
5:09When you think of first round running backs, you're thinking of B.
5:13John, you're thinking of Gibbs. You are thinking of someone else.
5:16Yeah. I think James cook is the best value on the board.
5:20Looking at 11th overall, he's being valued basically based off of what he did last year.
5:24He was RB six and fantasy points per game.
5:27He's at the RB five station. I think James cook can take a step into rarefied air.
5:32And I'm not saying RB one overall, but I think he can be top three this year guys.
5:37And I think what we've seen all the confluence of events that you need for a player to get into that top three conversation at running back.
5:45You need a good offense. Okay. Buffalo check over the last three years.
5:49They've been top six and points per game and red zone scoring attempts per game.
5:54You need volume. Okay. James cook last year led the entire NFL and rushing arts third and rushing attempts.
5:59Okay. You need touchdowns. We he's got two years.
6:02He scored 14 and 18 touchdowns. Is it insane?
6:05If we get a 20 year, 20 touchdown season out of James cook, it really shouldn't be because it could definitely happen.
6:11And then you go to the last part or piece of a running back, stepping into the top three.
6:17He has to, has to have passing game involvement.
6:19That's the final part of this picture that I think we get from James cook in 2026 with Pete Carmichael being added
6:26to this team as the offensive coordinator. And I know that like people could frame this as like, okay, this is a Sean Payton stat.
6:33This isn't a Pete Carmichael stat during Pete Carmichael's entire tenure with the saints as OC, they were never lower than 10th in running back target share.
6:41And that's a big outlier compared to you look at James cook who coming out of college was supposed to be receiving back.
6:48He was supposed to be this do it all in the passing game.
6:52And we really haven't seen that over the last few years, like Buffalo in the last three seasons, running back target share 12th, 16th, 23rd, not great.
7:00You look at Carmichael's tenure, even without Sean Payton, his offenses in those two seasons with the saints were still ninth and
7:0610th at the running back target share, uh, frame with 21.7 to 33.8% of the targets.
7:11And then you look at the Buffalo passing attack.
7:14It's like, who is the high end elite target earner in that offense?
7:18Cleo Shakir. No DJ more maybe, but we got a lot of questions.
7:21Donkey Cade sure when he's on the field, but he's a part-time player.
7:25So like cook could be the number three in the passing game on some weeks, the number two in the passing game.
7:32And if all this comes together, guys, he's a top three back.
7:35He should be in the same kind of conversation only on the outskirts of a B.
7:40John, a Gibbs. Why not? Yeah. It's interesting to just because like when you're, we are talking about the values, the value
7:46is the thing that really jumps out. Like it is on the back half of the first round.
7:52Like you can, there's a lot of what you can do in the second round and team building stuff.
7:57When you get James cook, uh, it's a little bit different on the take where you were going with it, Jake.
8:04Again, you would, you'd originally had a running back in there.
8:07You picked a nice higher volume wide receiver. Um, and you know, I think there's probably, I mean, upwards of three or
8:13four guys, probably more of like the three that people lock into.
8:17That could be the true number one. You're going with a wide receiver for your best in the first round.
8:23So hit us with who that is. Yeah. And I, I wanted to echo a lot of what Debra said though, real
8:29quick, because a lot of people are in James cook and they're like, oh, I can't have the touchdown success again.
8:36So he had four fewer rushing touchdowns and had more fancy points per game because of those extra hundred carries.
8:41He actually had more efficiency, which is something we don't really think of a lot.
8:46Like he was actually better in yards per carry and yards per reception.
8:50So I'm with him. I love getting James cook at the end of the first round.
8:54Uh, I initially you talked about, like I had Christian McCaffrey because at seven, I feel like we're doing the same thing
9:01we are last year is that if he stays healthy, he was just the number one.
9:06He was the number one by a gap over everybody else.
9:09B. John and Gibbs and all the rest. The risk is coming off a lot of touches from somebody who's been injured multiple times.
9:16We were scared last year. We're probably honestly a little bit more scared this year because now he's got that 400 mark on him.
9:23So I think that if you're looking at Christian McCaffrey getting them though, at seven slash eight, depending on like the draft
9:30you're looking at, it's right around where he's going.
9:32I'm okay with it. Like I'll take him at that risk because if he plays 16, there's a case he's the number one player fantasy game.
9:40But because of what happened in rounds two or three, I pivoted away from that knowing that, okay, well now, and again,
9:46some of its hindsight, but you brought it up early on.
9:50This is again, to give people that look at their drafts and when they're going into it.
9:55I think that's really what it comes down to.
9:57I have them over chase coming off last year.
10:00You know, who scored more than him fancy points per game, two running backs.
10:04That's it. Christian McCaffrey and not even the guys that are going number one and two and B.
10:09John and Gibbs, not that they can't do it.
10:12Not that he can't reach 20 points per game, but it was Jonathan Taylor.
10:16So it wasn't even the two that were taking with the number one, two pick, which I have as the number one, two pick.
10:23But that being said, the only concern I think people have for Nakua is not even Nakua.
10:28Well, let's be honest. It kind of probably is.
10:31It's probably Nakua and Stafford is health, similar to Christian McCaffrey.
10:34Nakua seems to be falling into this Julio Jones world of like, oh my God, he's playing 80% of the snaps because
10:41he came off for two drives in the third quarter.
10:44Oh, he's nicked up again. Oh, he just went down hard.
10:47What does this mean? Is Nakua going to be out?
10:50And it is terrifying to watch him. I have him on a lot of rosters because I draft him a lot of dynasty teams.
10:57So like every time I'm watching these games, I'm like, oh my God, Nakua is getting hurt again.
11:02But as 17 games with Matthew Stafford, he's probably going to be the number one wide receiver again.
11:08I've mentioned this a lot of times. Jamar Chase, everybody always wants to say if he's healthy and Joe Burrow is healthy.
11:14Yeah, he has that 20 point season on him, but he also has seasons where he was healthy and Joe Burrow were healthy.
11:21And he has 15, 16 fancy points per game.
11:24Not that that's terrible, but Nakua and Chase actually have similar ceilings.
11:27Nakua is coming off one where we can see it replicate if Chase even gets back to being Chase, which he should.
11:34It still only might be 16. Can it be 20?
11:37Absolutely. But I would go Nakua. All right. So we go James Cook, Puka Nakua.
11:41If I'm scoring this, which is kind of being asked to me, I got to score each round.
11:46I am. How are you scoring it? Are you scoring it with the player you like more or the value you like more?
11:53Because that's that could be two different things. I am.
11:56I'm it's going to be a 50 50. People are going to get all pissy.
12:01I am going to give round one to Jake Seeley.
12:03Jake Seeley is going to get round one. And my main reasoning behind it, I like the James Cook stuff, but I
12:10would also point out like you are in a big tier break.
12:14So it's like Bijan, Jameer Gibbs. They're their own tier, you know, and then you've got McCaffrey who maybe owns his own tier.
12:20So that's not a negative against James Cook. It's just like him versus a tiered above positional where Puka Nakua is a part of the top tier.
12:28I like the James Cook thing because like I said, if you're these players actually really can't be drafted next to each other.
12:35So it's a little bit of a default point to Jake because these are more positionally first round.
12:40As we move through this, it becomes a lot more open where it's like you really would have the option to do whatever you want.
12:48And you're going to kind of see that play out as we go.
12:52So first point goes to Jake. I'll need to make a little marker to see how the points.
12:57I want to give another pro Puka comment too, before we move on to round two, he has never had an outlier season with touchdowns.
13:04If the red zone usage flips any from Adams to Puka, like we're talking about 10, 3, 6 receiving touchdowns.
13:10But if we get it, if he has a season where he does what he did last year, but he scores 14 touchdowns, he's breaking fantasy.
13:18Yeah. It's that simple. All right. Second round. Let's get to it.
13:21In the second round, D bro, you get to kick us off.
13:25You started us with a running back. Are you going to deviate?
13:29What are you going to do in the second round?
13:32Your best perfect pick in the second round. AJ Brown.
13:34He's my guy. I could have gone with some running backs here.
13:38I'm all in on AJ Brown this year. I think we get a career season from AJ Brown in a limited volume
13:45passing offense over the last few years. AJ Brown, wide receiver, 10, 12, 8 and 8 in fantasy points per game.
13:51And this year he gets to go from an Eagles passing attack that was 15th in neutral passing rate to the Patriots that were ninth last year.
13:59And that exact same metric. AJ Brown is going to see a career high on targets if he stays healthy.
14:05And for everybody, like he's not washed. There's no metric you can point to on a per route basis that says that
14:11he was ninth in target share, 17th in yards per route run, eighth in first reach here, top 20 in first downs
14:18per route run and route win rate. And if you look at also the touchdown ceiling with AJ Brown, again, and another
14:24player that could score a career high in touchdowns this year, because Philly inside the 10 last year, this won't shock anybody.
14:31They were 32nd in 10 zone passing rate, the Patriots 15th and AJ Brown is going to be their go-to guy in the red zone.
14:38So everybody that talks about Drake may spreads the ball around target share, blah, blah.
14:42That's what you do when you don't have an alpha wide receiver.
14:46We can point back to years and years and years of Josh McDaniels offenses.
14:50When they've had a true alpha level wide receiver, they get fed.
14:54So it's just wheels up for AJ Brown. Like he has top three upside.
14:58He could be in the same conversation with chase and Puka this year.
15:02And also like they did like weird rotational stuff with whiteouts last year, too, you know, where it would be like, hey,
15:08here's, you know, I'm on to say, I'm trying to remember what it was.
15:12Like, here's a pop. Here's a pop. Here's a pop.
15:15And then, oh, here's booty. And here's down the end of the season stretch in the double digit weeks.
15:21Stiggs was essentially on the field 60% of the time.
15:24Yeah, that's what I'm getting at. We're rotation to echo Debro's point real quick.
15:28When the trade happened, I did a breakdown article on the athletic talking about Drake May and how this is like a perfect marriage of talents here.
15:36Be since May's first game starting in the NFL EPA per drop back 20 plus air yards second touchdown per attempt second
15:42completion percentage for a touchdown per interception second for 2025 only second for third second.
15:47A.J. Brown, since he was with the Eagles, let alone just the past two years, EPA per target 10th reception percentage ninth touchdown per target 10th.
15:54You're talking about two top five top 10 players in downfield passing to 20 plus yards.
15:59I'm with Debro. Like if I if I would flip these picks, I'd be on the same page, too, because if I went running back first, A.J.
16:07Brown would probably be my target in the second round most times.
16:11Where do you have him ranked, Jake? Because I've got A.J.
16:14Brown at wide receiver five. Like we I just did Pat Mayo show going through the ranks with Ian Hardest.
16:20I am at six and I got so much pushback from both of them.
16:24You're not getting any push back here. I think I have Jefferson at five.
16:28A.J. Brown at six. Who'd you push to seven?
16:31Drake, Drake. Yeah, he's ahead of Drake one and CeeDee Lamb for me.
16:35That's I go. I go Drake London, the Cowboys both and the Nico Collins.
16:39They both pushed for Nico Collins and CeeDee Lamb above them.
16:42And I'm like, I'm not I'm not doing that.
16:45Yeah. Lamb is the one that I was more getting at.
16:48Like, was it who was the guy that was pushed out?
16:51And it was lamb for him. So that's interesting.
16:54All right. There's definitely a lettuce joke in here for your pick because we're going to continue some browns.
16:59I'm not going to make that joke because I'm a professional, but we are going to continue on the brown run here, Jake.
17:06And you are going to go with a different.
17:09Did you just do like a TV sitcom thing where it's like, you know, if we point out we're making a racist
17:15joke, it's OK because we pointed out that we're making the joke.
17:19So we know that it's like that. Yeah. Not you.
17:22But I'm saying. I know what you're saying. I know what you're saying.
17:26Yeah. It's like, it's OK. I made the joke because I'm pointing out how bad the joke is that I made it.
17:32Like, and they get away with it. Your analogy.
17:35Your analogy. No. But the idea. Absolutely. Yes. There is definitely.
17:38I'm a better joke, Jake. I'm a better person than making the poop joke.
17:42I just want to point out it's there and I want to acknowledge it and then we can move on because clearly we have another brown.
17:50It is Chase Brown. This was a continuation of the running backs.
17:54You did not move off of. So that is your second round pick.
17:57And I do love this one. Mostly because I have Chase Brown as a first round pick.
18:02Like I initially was going to put them in the first round because I have them at 11 overall.
18:08And I was like, well, wait, the ECR is so far down like that.
18:12That's a hell of a jump to pull them up six, seven spots into the first round.
18:17But Chase Brown is the easiest. Like we could go into depth about what he's done on a per touch basis and
18:24how this offense and if everybody's healthy, blah, blah, blah.
18:27The easiest comparison I'll make is I see James Cook better passer, which all it takes is the offense clicking and staying healthy.
18:33And to get what we get from James Cook, which we saw with the bills just two years ago and last year,
18:40because that's all it takes is this is somebody that's been hovering around low 200 carries and low touchdown efficiency, which might be his thing.
18:47He might never get to 12 touchdowns rushing and that's fine.
18:51Maybe he falls into the Matt Forte world. Oh, God, by the way, Matt Forte top five for multiple years because Chase Brown 60 receptions, potentially 70 receptions.
18:59So I'm looking for from Chase Brown is to hit like a 300 touch mark, which the Bengals continue to tell us
19:05they're going to use Chase Brown because they basically did nothing to this backfield this year.
19:10I don't think anybody's super afraid of some RJ P run at this point in their career.
19:15Taj Brooks depth flair who actually replicates a lot of what Chase Brown does.
19:19I just I look at somebody who could potentially do what James Cook did two years ago where it's like, oh, my
19:26God, he got all the touches and he actually got some touchdown variance luck in his favor.
19:31And all of a sudden we're talking about Chase Brown is a top six running back.
19:35Razor thin here when we come to the judge and I have to make the decision on the scorecard here because I
19:42love both of these picks, you know, just as a side note to throw into a lot of people talking about McDaniels and slot widers.
19:49Receivers like we also are going to see probably AJ Brown in that spot.
19:53So do you like number two or number two?
19:56Yeah, there's a joke there. Yeah, but D bro.
19:59My point was is you gave me a little face there.
20:02It's like regardless of the point people making the cases for, you know, that's kind of a Romeo Dobbs thing that's put
20:09out there, but it's like Brown's a guy that's never going to get off the field.
20:13I also love Chase Brown and everything you talk about in when Joe Burrow is out there and how that I mean,
20:20we also know how he disappears when there is no Burrow.
20:23But for this one, I will stick with a two for the second round and I am going to go with Jake Seeley.
20:30Another point for Chase Brown. Very razor thin here.
20:32Very tough on this one. Running back Stan. I get it.
20:36And Jake Seeley's a two now because he's got two points.
20:39All right, let's go to the third round here.
20:42Moving to the third round, things are going to be opening up here and D bro, you get to kick it back off.
20:48Talk to us about what you're doing. There's some phrasing there too.
20:52I know. Dude, I think that Colston Loveland and I want to be very clear.
20:56Colston Loveland, I'm bringing him up in the third round and ECR and a lot of places you're going to see he's
21:03kind of like a fourth round pick. I think when it's all said and done in the summer, when we are in
21:09the heat of draft season, he's going to be a third round pick, a firm third round pick because you're already seeing
21:16he's in the third round and best ball draft.
21:19So like it kind of like I'm skating to where the puck is going to be.
21:23And with Colston Loveland, I bring it up here because I think like much like I said all of last year with
21:30Trey McBride, I think that Colston Loveland is going to be a league defining player, a guy that is going to flip
21:36the script and be from one of those onesie positions, somebody that is a massive difference maker.
21:41And I think he can produce at a similar clip to somebody like a Brock Bowers this year.
21:47And I know people say that's crazy and that's fine.
21:50But if he does, you're getting a discount on a player that could produce at a similar clip.
21:55And we've already seen this happen, guys, like week 16 through 20 last year, 25.6% target share.
22:00He was averaging almost 82 receiving yards, 2.49 yards per route run, a 34% first reach here, 0.116 first downs per route run.
22:07The reason I bring up all of these metrics is because if you looked at that type of usage over the whole
22:13entire season amongst all tight ends with at least 20 targets, that would have been first, first, fourth, first, fourth, and second.
22:20You compare those and juxtapose it against the full seasons of Trey McBride last year and Brock Bowers in 2024.
22:26Those metrics on a per route basis, Colston Loveland shoves both of those guys into a locker.
22:31He was better than McBride in that stretch McBride was last year, and he was better than Brock Bowers was in 2024.
22:37If he does that this year, he can be in that rarefied air in the conversation, if not the tight end one
22:44in fantasy points per game this season. For some reason, Colston Loveland dominates when me and Jake do a show together, because
22:50this is like, it's funny having someone else talk.
22:53Yeah, well, because Jake, you've talked about how your projections spit out Loveland as the top guy.
22:58Number one. It was number one. Number one. It made me do a double take.
23:02Yeah, so I know Jake is going to go to co-sign on this one.
23:06So, but you're not going to be taking Loveland, Jake.
23:09So you're up here. So you're round three. Your perfect pick.
23:13Who you got? It's the value here running back.
23:15And it's Kyron Williams if I can get him in the third round, because I don't have to take him in the
23:22second round anymore, which last year we were saying we don't have to take him in the first round anymore.
23:28We're going to continue to kick him back. And I will continue to draft Kyron Williams because everybody's afraid of Blake Coram.
23:34And I get it. But if you take the point of the season, it was about the middle point of the season where it really did split.
23:42Everybody's afraid of a 60-40 split. 59% of the touches from week seven on for Kyron Williams.
23:47Here's the interesting part of it. Kyron Williams actually got better in the passing game in the second half of the season
23:54when Coram was starting to get all this workload.
23:56He had 22 targets to six for Coram. He was putting up marks that we have seen at his peak of his career in the receiving game.
24:04And I'm not saying that all of a sudden Kyron Williams is going to have 60 receptions.
24:09I'm just making that clear is the fact that when that split came, the passing game work was his.
24:15It was better than it had been before. And he was still getting the goal line five yard inside the 10 work, which is what we all want.
24:23Sure, Coram could seal a little bit of that this year.
24:26But again, we are paying third round cost for somebody who was top 10 in fancy points per game, even coming off
24:33this 60-40 split that everybody's afraid of. It was 65-35 for the entire season.
24:37But again, in that second half of the year where I'm talking about where it was actually more like the 60-40 split
24:44people are afraid of, he was still top seven running back.
24:47So to get him as a fringe RB2, like I said, Chase Brown I have in front of him at this point.
24:53But to get him as a fringe RB2 or fringe RB1 slash 2 at this point, clearly top 15 in my opinion in the third round.
25:01That's really why I like this pick. And that's why I came off of Christian McCaffrey in the first round, because basically
25:08as long as Kyron Williams stays in the third round, I'm taking him every single time.
25:12And that's going to let me take a wide receiver in one of the first two rounds.
25:17By the way, the ECR I hadn't mentioned. Loveland is an ECR on Fantasy Pro's half PPR 41.
25:23Kyron Williams at 33. So you can see a little bit of the connect there.
25:27All right. So points awarded to, drumroll, Derek Brown.
25:30We're going to go Derek Brown on this one.
25:32We're going to go with Loveland on the board.
25:35I like the Loveland pick. I think Loveland has an extreme chance to lead this team in receptions.
25:40I know everybody's very, very high tight end. It's very big here.
25:44I like Tyler Warren as well. But I like Loveland and Warren both in these spots where I can get them.
25:50So third round, to Debro's point, I just did a mock where I've gotten Loveland in the fourth.
25:55It's decently fallen into that spot. But it was early fourth.
25:59He'll probably be in the third. I don't mind Kyron too.
26:02To your point, people do make a big ado about the workloads.
26:05But it's like he also just gets drives. He's going to get an entire drive.
26:10So if that's a successful drive through, which that team was one of the best offenses out there, they're going to continue rolling.
26:17He's going to get plenty of opportunities. I just don't buy too much into the whole split thing making him not worthwhile.
26:23So he is worth it. But Debro is on the board with the first points.
26:28It takes us to the fourth round. We're going to get wide receiver heavy as we should.
26:33Debro, kick us off here. We've got a couple wide receivers in the mid-40s of ECR.
26:37Debro, you're up for your fourth round. And I'm just not going to shut up talking about Jalen Waddell.
26:43I mean, look at this. We're making the exact same case, I feel like, that I made previously about A.J.
26:49Brown. He's going from a run-heavy offense to a pass-heavy offense.
26:52And Denver is going to continue chucking the ball.
26:55And now, oh, look at that. With their new OC, they're actually talking about they might be a really fast and up-tempo offense this year.
27:02So if that all happens, we could get even more volume for Jalen Waddell.
27:06Going from the 29th ranked offense in neutral passing rate to one that was fourth in that metric last year.
27:12Denver was fourth in passing attempts, behind only the Cardinals, Sensi, and Dallas.
27:16And Jalen Waddell was elite last year. And he stayed healthy.
27:19He had a rib injury where he missed the final game of the season.
27:23And outside of that, people can miss me with the Waddell talk about, oh, he's never healthy and stuff.
27:29Waddell was top 12 in every single per route metric that I care about last year.
27:34He was also better in all of those categories, except for route win rate, which Sutton beat him by 0.2%.
27:40So I'm not worried about Jalen Waddell this year and the Denver passing attack and us getting joker-fied of like the rug
27:46pull of like, oh, well, we believe in this guy, but then he's going to be a part-time player and stuff.
27:52Sean Payton did all of that behind Sutton has been a clear focal point and a full-time player in that offense and
27:59the only one over the last few seasons. That's going to change this year.
28:03That passing attack is going to condense around Jalen Waddell and Cortland Sutton.
28:07Waddell is going to be the clear number one, and I think Waddell is going to put up a wide receiver one season.
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30:06We are going to move from Jalen Waddle to Jake.
30:09Your guy is very similar to the Travolta meme, where he's standing in the room and he's just like, because there's no one else really around.
30:17So I think that's a really good play. Or Fresh Prince.
30:20That's a fantastic call, by the way. Yeah, or Fresh Prince.
30:24That's a good one too. Yeah, looking around. That's a really good one.
30:27Uncle Ayuk is not coming around. But what would you say here, Jake?
30:31Terry McLaurin, obviously, is who we're going to be talking about here.
30:35That is yours at ECR 47. Waddle was 44.
30:38Yeah. 44. So both very close to each other.
30:40Barely checks into the fourth round, and I'm willing to take McLaurin all the time here.
30:45I like Waddle too, but I think there's a little bit higher ceiling.
30:49I talked about this on the show that I referenced earlier to these guys when I did Pat Mayo's show.
30:55And my hesitation with Waddle versus McLaurin and others in this tier is not what Waddle can do, and not that he should be the one.
31:02I do think he'll be the one. I think there's clearly more competition for targets for Waddle, whereas worst case scenario, he's 19% of the target share.
31:10And let's say that's worse. That's still the hell of a target share.
31:14The best case, I don't know if he gets to the upper 20s, but that's where I'm going with this, is McLaurin's
31:21getting the upper 20s because you joked about it.
31:23Who else are they throwing to? If they bring in Stefan Diggs, I actually think we're going to talk about him later.
31:30I'm leaving that one for Debro because I've talked about him a lot at this point too.
31:35But I think that would be a perfect marriage of need and somebody looking for a team still.
31:40But even so, I still like McLaurin. And it's funny, we watched the McLaurin over the past two or three seasons, and
31:47it's like they need to get somebody next to him to free him up.
31:51Well, then we don't really need that because we just want to get all the targets.
31:55And it's back and forth. How about just McLaurin?
31:58It's just McLaurin. Whether he has somebody alongside him or not, he's going to produce.
32:03And actually, I think you could argue it both ways.
32:06I think you could say somebody next to him frees him up more so the targets come down, but it's offset by the production on a per-target basis.
32:14If he has nobody alongside of him, yeah, the coverage will be tougher.
32:18But we've seen seasons of him getting 120, 130 targets and averaging 11-plus fantasy points per game, which that's what he just needs to bounce back to.
32:26And he'll be a top-20 wide receiver like he always was.
32:29In his worst season with the worst situation going on and a terrible quarterback situation with Jaden Daniels getting hurt, he still
32:35had over nine fantasy points per game, which is just kind of crazy to think about that somebody could do that with
32:42how messy that team was last year. So he's one of my favorite bounce backs this year, and he's one of my favorite targets in this round.
32:50That's a very, very close one. This is a very close one between these two wide receivers.
32:55The point? D-Bro. We're going to go with D-Bro.
32:58Jalen Waddle is going to be the pick. You guys have tied it up.
33:02I mean... Just try to be nice. I love...
33:04Just all Jake. It'll just be like 14 to nothing.
33:07Don't get sour because he picked me, Jake. It's fine.
33:10We're eight. That number two is coming back out again there, Jake.
33:14I like McLaurin and not having a lot of the...
33:17You know, not having like target share that he's going to be dealing with.
33:21The ups and downs of like the big weeks to the kind of small weeks, that always kind of stands out a little bit.
33:28They obviously brought in... I know we're going to make Rashad White this big thing, but there's like safety net targets, and if they bring someone else in...
33:36McLaurin's great. But Jalen Waddle is finally going to play like with a real team in a real office.
33:42Because I know this off the top of my head to push back real quick.
33:462024, two years ago in Jaden Daniels' rookie season, the first two weeks were single-digit performances.
33:51Do you know how many he had for the rest of the year?
33:55Two. And that was with a rookie quarterback. Yeah.
33:58Single digits. Yeah. Sorry. Yeah. Well, let's play four again.
34:00So those ups and downs weren't really there two years ago.
34:04I'm just saying. All right. So four picks in.
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34:55So unfortunately, for round five, here's the positive. Yeah, you both are going to get a point.
35:00I was like, is this the... We get a point, or is this just the mobile game?
35:05Like, we're just... Yeah. Nobody gets a point. Here's also the negative.
35:09No one is going to get a point. It's...
35:11You get a point, you don't get a point, because you guys have the exact same player.
35:16I think this is the only instance, or maybe there's one other.
35:20And I am... Whoever would have said this, I would have raised my hand for the point here.
35:25So this will just be nullified. So, Debra, why don't you kick it off?
35:29You guys both are locking in in the fifth round, becoming very popular David Montgomery.
35:34Yeah. I just feel like I'm drafting, what is it, 20-24 Joe Mixon with this pick.
35:39David Montgomery is a top 20 back, and he's got RB1 upside, man.
35:42He's going to be the engine of that offense.
35:45He was better than Woody Marks on every single metric that you could pull up.
35:49He's not washed. People categorize David Montgomery as a classic dead zone back.
35:53Okay, but classic dead zone backs don't rank 12th in yards of the contact per attempt last year, and 12th in first
36:00downs per route run, and top 24 in yards per route run.
36:03So, while I agree, you could frame we are drafting him because he's going to get a crap ton of volume, and he is the guy.
36:11Dead zone back? Nah, you're wrong if you're saying that.
36:14So, Jake, you guys locked in. You guys had the option, too, to kind of move away, and you guys even talked
36:20about that a little bit, but this was one where you did not want to come off of it.
36:26I love it. So, fifth round, David Montgomery, you're a total cosign here on one of the best values in this round.
36:33Yeah, because let's even just say all those metrics don't translate because he's now playing for the Texans.
36:38The offensive line isn't as good. The offense isn't as good.
36:41Like, whatever, what do you want to say is that I'm going to come with the worst-case scenario.
36:46Okay, worst-case scenario, he's more efficient, Woody Marks, because he is.
36:50He's better than Woody Marks, and he gets the Woody Marks workload, which if you take that from the second half of
36:56the season, essentially a week, nine or ten on, whenever that shift happened, you're talking about somebody walking into 300 touches.
37:02Like, I don't care who you are. You could be Woody Marks, and for 300 touches, you're going to be in the
37:09back end of the RB2 conversation, even if you only have five rushing touchdowns in the year, because the volume is there.
37:15Do we, like, love the fact that people are volume-reliant?
37:18No, but, you know, Debro kind of said it at the top.
37:22That kind of got overlooked. Let's not pretend that Joe Mixon was lighting, like, every single play on fire two years ago
37:28when he was, like, getting all that workload. He was kind of at the end of being Joe Mixon at that point.
37:35So 300 touches is 300 touches. I don't care what offense you're in.
37:39I'm going to take you in that range of having top 24 upside.
37:43It's also kind of crazy. Think about, like, last year as the secondary back in Detroit, it was the same ADP, roughly.
37:49You know what I mean? Like, he's always sitting in the 20s, and it's just like, now he's the guy.
37:55I guess you can make some cases, like you said, like with Woody Marks and whatnot, but he's like, it's a worse
38:02offense, clearly, but it's like, he's the guy, and he's almost the same ADP.
38:06Everybody is worried that he's going to be bad Bears Montgomery because they remember the final two years that he was there.
38:12The final two years was 11 point, I forget, seven or something like that, and 10, I remember the last season was 10 fancy points per game.
38:2010 fancy points per game puts you at about RB 28 most years.
38:24That's your worst case scenario here. Yeah. And for everybody at home, do you know why Woody Marks wasn't good for fantasy?
38:30Has nothing to do with the volume and everything like that.
38:34From week 10 to 18, he scored two touchdowns.
38:36That's why Woody Marks was not good for fantasy.
38:39I heard that Dave Montgomery guy is good at that.
38:42Yeah. So I hear the same thing, Jake. Okay.
38:45So easy stuff. You guys are, we all completely co-signed here.
38:48So that's going to take a second. Like two and a half now each.
38:52Yeah. There's just no points. It's just nullified. So you guys are going to be, we're not going to get into fractional stuff here.
38:59Well, he's winning the next round. I already know where you're going.
39:03I've known you for too long, Welsh. I know like that.
39:06I'm going to be down three, two after this round.
39:09I gotta be honest with you. You got a really good point to sell me here because I'm not necessarily sold.
39:15But D bro, Jake is making the case that you're going to run away with this because you are going to be
39:22taking one of the most talked about players. I think there's an element of polar polarizing as well on you're either all in or you're all out.
39:30I don't see a lot of middle people on this one.
39:33So in the sixth round, ECR 64, your perfect pick is who?
39:36Facial Tootin. My RB 22 in my rankings. And I think he's going to have a fantastic season.
39:42Last year, he was stellar on a per touch basis.
39:45And I care about this. And everybody at home should care about this too because James Gladstone and Liam Cohen care about this.
39:51They've come out and said that they care about the nerdy analytics about everything.
39:56Amongst 55 qualifying running backs, he was fifth in rushing success rate, 11th in missed tackles forced.
40:01You look even with Chris Rodriguez last year, facial Tootin was a more efficient player near the goal line and success rate,
40:07stuff rate, anything you basically want to pull up.
40:10So I'm not really worried about the touchdown equity of facial Tootin versus Chris Rodriguez.
40:14Is Rodriguez going to play a role in this team?
40:17Sure. But facial Tootin, the other thing, like we've talked about this on previous shows, Jake, Chris Rodriguez, even if he plays
40:24a role on early downs, he's not sniffing anything in the passing game.
40:27And facial Tootin, people can miss me with LaQuinn Allen.
40:30I can go through his entire prospect profile and poke holes in it for days about how people glommed onto counting stats
40:37and didn't look at the raw efficiency that really wasn't there and never was there.
40:41So I'm not worried about LaQuinn Allen. Facial Tootin is going to explode in his second season.
40:46And if he wouldn't have gotten hurt also towards the back end of his rookie year, people would probably be talking about
40:53Facial Tootin in a very different light because he was starting to eat into more of Travis Etienne's volume down the stretch.
40:59Then he got hurt and we didn't see what could have happened.
41:03All right. So we're going to go from Facial Tootin, very, very talked about to a player that, you know, is there
41:09a post-hypeness that's going to go in? It's been kind of two years of blah.
41:14Is this going to be it? You've got a wide receiver at, what is it?
41:18ECR 71. So really getting down there, Jake. So sixth round, wide receiver, ECR 71.
41:23Give us the name. It's Marvin Harrison. And because part of it is E71, he's barely in the sixth round at this point because of the disappointment.
41:31Let's be honest about it. Is everything we thought about the limited, what we thought limited deficiencies of his game coming out
41:37of college have manifested themselves in the NFL, like not the most precise routes, struggles to get bump off coverage sometimes.
41:43And that's struggled for Kyler Murray to find him.
41:46And let's be clear about that. Kyler Murray's not with the team anymore.
41:50And the height does matter to a degree. Like for like nobody, if the entire offensive line is standing up, no quarterback
41:56in the NFL could see over the offensive line because nobody is 6'8 playing quarterback.
42:01However, it does matter when you're under six feet because now you have to kind of find lanes a little bit more
42:07because they are bent over a little bit. But you get my point is that Kyler Murray, Drew Brees before him, all
42:14these quarterbacks that are under six foot, you have to find more lanes.
42:18Well, that does take an effect. It does. And part of it comes down to the fact of whether Murray and Harrison
42:24were on the same page, which I don't ever think that happened because you go back to Russell Wilson for the longest
42:31time with Tyra Lockett with the Seahawks. They just knew what the other person was thinking and where to go.
42:37And we've seen that from quarterbacks before. We all saw Kyler Murray never look back to Marvin Harrison in week one and
42:43Marvin Harrison essentially doing jumping jacks in the end zone.
42:46But what Jacoby Brissett came in and did and everybody's talking about, oh, Jacoby Brissett playing from behind all these losses, all these throws and stuff like that.
42:54Do we really think that's going to change this year?
42:57No. I think the one question I will throw out is does Brissett play 17 games?
43:02Is he the quarterback whether healthy or not? Do they make a change and say we're not going to have Brissett after this year?
43:09All that being said, there's about a four game sample size where Brissett was starting.
43:13Michael Wilson and Marvin Harrison were healthy for the entire game because they got banged up more so Marvin Harrison.
43:19But of that four game sample size, you know who got treated as the number one?
43:24Not Michael Wilson. It was Marvin Harrison with a 23% target share.
43:28Michael Wilson at 13%. Trey McBride still led at 26 and change.
43:31Brissett treated him like what we wanted him to be.
43:34Like Marvin Harrison was the one. He had, I'll pull up the numbers right now because I had them up earlier today
43:41and then I forgot to memorize them. But 18 for 256 and two touchdowns.
43:45Michael Wilson in that same stretch, 13 for 171 and a big fat zero.
43:49He also looked to Marvin Harrison in the red zone in the end zone which is something that Kyler Murray was never doing.
43:56So I'm not saying Michael Wilson's a bad pick at all.
43:59Let me make that clear. But I think we're now at the point that the value is so low on Marvin Harrison
44:05and we can move faster for the later picks.
44:08But I think the value here is so low that Marvin Harrison is now worth taking that gamble on as a sixth
44:15rounder as your wide receiver two or three because the talent is still there whether it finally capitalizes.
44:20Oh, by the way, what is this? Third year?
44:23Maybe finally we get that top 20, 25 performance.
44:25You made me think when you talk about the height of quarterbacks by the way.
44:30I was like, who's the tallest quarterback? The one that came to my mind Brock Osweiler.
44:34That's what came to my mind from ASU but he's not.
44:38You want to take a guess? The tallest quarterback in NFL history was not Brock Osweiler.
44:42Yeah, I mean. It was in the 90s. Just throwing it out there.
44:46Spacing. You know what? I'll be interested if they're like why seven footers never tried to play quarterback.
44:52Yeah, tallest was. Do you want to take a guess at the, I'll tell you the name and say you want to take a guess at the height?
45:006'9". Pretty close. 6'8". 6'8". It was 6'8". Dan McGuire.
45:036'8". I wasn't going to say that. I wasn't going to say it.
45:071991 with the Seahawks. That was... Was that Mark McGuire's brother?
45:10I don't think so. You never know. It could have been.
45:13Dan McGuire, the tallest quarterback when you're out there.
45:16Point is... Going to Debro, of course. You did call it Sealy.
45:19My problem with it... You gave me... I wouldn't have gone that long.
45:23You made it sound like there was a window to convince you into that one.
45:28Jake was like, I have hope, so I'm going to go along with this.
45:32Maybe I can turn the tide. You made a great case.
45:35And I will not deny that Harrison, I actually think, is like a cool value this year.
45:40Now everybody can skip my article at The Athletic next week that's breakout wide receivers and just jump right past Marvin Harrison
45:47because I basically gave the entire breakdown. So you did it great.
45:50But I don't like the sixth round necessarily. And it's also a team that they clearly drafted running backs so they can
45:57get away from being the biggest pass-heavy team. And Marvin Harrison is not the number one on that team.
46:02I think Tootin's got some issues too I want to throw out.
46:06I'm not sure I'm like as much of a Chris Rodriguez truth or anything like that, but I'm just not sure that
46:12he's going to just be handed the reins here.
46:15But the difference is like Tootin can be drafted as a lower end RB2 or maybe even an RB3.
46:20And I think that's Marvin Harrison's upside might be the biggest case here.
46:24It's just they're going to pass less and Michael Wilson was a one and Trey McBride's the real number one and it's just messy there.
46:32And you're going to sidestep all the poop Tootin' jukes that we've been making so far?
46:36Oh man, we've already we've got to flush those.
46:39We're waiting. All right, I'm done. I'm sorry. Round seven.
46:42Let's go to round seven here. We're going to get a new position that's going to check in.
46:47But Debro, you're going to kick us off here.
46:50ECR 77 is where you're going to be going with your seventh round pick.
46:54You just talked about drafting a guy as an RB3 that can produce and I think he will produce because I have
47:01him as an RB2 in my rankings as Tony Pollard.
47:04I just it's just free money for me. Like we're talking about an improved offense last year.
47:09He didn't score any touchdowns. He was 49th in red zone touches last year because the team sucked.
47:14And now with Brian Dayball, Robert Sala there, they added Wando Robinson, drafted Carnell Tate.
47:18I think they're going to move the ball and be improved from an offense that ranked 30th in points per game, 32nd
47:25in red zone scoring attempts per game. Pollard's not dust.
47:28He was 22nd in yards after contact per attempt.
47:30And this offensive line gets talked about in a very precarious light, like where they're like, oh, well, they're not any good.
47:37Okay, fine. Like you want to talk about pass protection?
47:40Sure, we can have more of a conversation there.
47:43Quietly, the Tennessee Titans offensive line last year was 13th best in yards before contact per attempt with an actual passing attack to free up some running lanes.
47:51I think we can see that metric improve even more this year.
47:54And Brian Dayball historically has leaned on one running back.
47:57You can look back to the Giants tenure, non-Saquon, like it was Devin Singletary until it was not.
48:03And then it was Tyrone Tracy. And then last year it was Cam Scadaboo until it wasn't.
48:08And you go back even further in his tenure.
48:10It's like, okay, they drafted Zach Moss. He proved he couldn't be the guy.
48:15So Devin Singletary was the clear workhorse running back.
48:17Prior to that, we can go all the way back to the Peyton Hill is here.
48:22Yeah, Brian Dayball was the OC for that. So he has leaned on it and he wants one clear running back.
48:28And it's not Tajay Spears. So Tony Pollard is going to get the bulk of the work.
48:33He's going to produce as an RB2 this year.
48:36I just think he's a screaming value in drafts.
48:38All right. Debro went tight end in the third round.
48:41Jake, you've not tackled that. And, you know, everybody's very high in tight end.
48:46This is where you're going to check in. ECR 84.
48:48We got a tight end, but who is it?
48:51It's one that I think it might be frustration time to take the value on.
48:56And it's Sam Laporta. If you look at weeks five through ten, because Sam Laporta was struggling to be a hundred percent at the beginning of last year.
49:04And weeks five, five is like four, five, six, where people are speculating where he really got back to being Sam Laporta.
49:10It also came with, I'm sure a lot of people remember the frustration where it started to mount of Jameson Williams, where
49:17we were hearing like, oh, maybe they need to change up and put the offensive coordinator calls back onto Campbell, which did happen.
49:24But Laporta also got hurt after week 10. But I'm bringing that sample up to say this, and it's always dangerous to
49:30project out a full season over a limited sample.
49:33Let me make that clear. I just want to pull it up for one reason.
49:37One reason only is that he was the second leading target getter and target share in that team behind him around St.
49:44Brown. It was 20%. You know who was third?
49:46Brock Wright. You know who was fourth? Jameson Williams.
49:49And I'm not saying Jameson Williams is dead to us, but I have major concerns about Jameson Williams being what we wanted
49:56him to be because I even made this joke on Twitter.
49:59I think it was a year and a half ago.
50:02It was like, we finally got the Jameson Williams breakout.
50:05What did it cost you? It was the meme from Avengers and all that type of stuff is it cost you Sam Laporta.
50:11But a healthy Sam Laporta and what they were doing last year, and you now have this pet seeing situation, which is
50:18clearing things up for Laporta to be the number two, is that that kind of volume that he was seeing, it wasn't
50:24immense, but it was enough that you projected out to 81,010 over a full season.
50:29Again, I'm not saying Sam Laporta is going to get 80 catches, 1,000 yards, and 10 touchdowns.
50:34But even if he was to be the number two and get in a realm of 90% of that production, we're talking
50:40about the Laporta that we used to love and we're drafting super high a few years ago, top three tight end potential, but guess where he's going?
50:48Round seven. So that's really where I'm going with Laporta because I really do believe as of today, I might be wrong on this one.
50:56I will say this, I won't even say like, I may be wrong.
51:00If you told me he's playing 17 games because that's the risk, I would bet money today Laporta is the number two target earner on this team.
51:08Oh, I fully agree with that because he... Outside of Jameer Gibbs.
51:11To make that clear. ECR 84, Jake was down one point going into round seven.
51:16He is now down two points because I'm going to go with Tony Pollard.
51:20As soon as you set that up that way...
51:22I set it up. I'm a professional here, Jake.
51:25I know what we're doing. I've been around like, I've hung out with this guy in life in person in Arizona so I knew where he was going.
51:33We share gelato, so... Yeah, but Tony Pollard, I think is, I could not agree more.
51:38One of my favorite picks and no, no, no, no.
51:41Little germ guy over there so that's not going to happen but I have like, minimal interest in like the middle line tight ends.
51:48We need to move on. Do you remember the very first thing you saw me do when we met in person?
51:54We sat down at the restaurant? I didn't wash your hands or something?
51:58No, no, no. I think you left and washed.
52:01No, we said hi and everything. We sat down at the table and ordered the food and I pulled out the hand sanitizer before I ate.
52:08Oh, and I think I hugged, I think I hugged Jake because that's not like Jake's biggest thing because the hand sanitizer
52:15and stuff and I knew it would make him feel uncomfortable so I just like got in and did a big hug.
52:21So you hugged him, did he take his shirt off after that?
52:25No, no, no, no. Okay, okay. Now we're losing it.
52:28But point Tony Pollard here. That's where we're going to go.
52:31So Jake is down. He's going to have to make a little bit of a comeback.
52:36It is 4-2 D bro as we are going to move into now the quicker rounds as we're going to get 8,
52:429, 10 and then finishing off and looking at the teams.
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53:28We got three, you know, again, quicker hitters that we're going to get here because we're getting to the back end of
53:35what this team is going to look like. Debro, kick us off here in the eighth round.
53:40We're in the 80s, mid-80s for both on the ECR.
53:43Who do you got? Upside for days, baby. It's Parker Washington.
53:46If he can replicate what he did in the back half of last year, he could be one of those league winning type of players.
53:53I mean, week 16 through 19, 22.3 PPR points per game.
53:57I'm not saying that he replicates all that, but like in four games, the dude was just soaking up high cholesterol usage.
54:03Six reds on targets, 13 deep targets. He had a 28.9% target share.
54:07He had 3.78 yards per route run. Like all these are elite numbers, guys.
54:11This is Amon Ross, St. Brown type of stuff, but you're paying for it in the eighth round and where it's like
54:18all the risk is baked in for Parker Washington, but all of this upside, it's not.
54:22So enjoy. All right. Parker Washington at 89. Thank you.
54:25It's so nice of you to say enjoy. Jake, who are you going to go with in the eighth round?
54:31Yeah, similar to you're getting all the upside here is that Jackson Dark gets dinged for the first two games for whatever
54:38reason because he stepped on the field. Those weren't the two games that really go to anything that he was playing because
54:44if you take his starts, 20 fantasy points per game for Jackson Dart and that's 20 fantasy points per game with what
54:51everybody wants to complain about for this year. What about his receiving court?
54:55Well, he didn't have Malik neighbors, but for one game last year that they played together.
54:59So if you look at the entire situation, I don't need Jackson Dart to be the most amazing passer.
55:05I just need Jackson Dart to be healthy. I will admit that he needs to be healthy, but similar to I don't
55:11know if everybody's heard from Harbaugh recently, but he said that he kind of did an eye roll and scoffed about the
55:18same thing people said about Lamar Jackson for the longest time is like, they're going to run, but they're also smart.
55:24They're not the most dangerous. They're not Robert Griffin like going out there.
55:28He's not Cam Scadaboo. So you give me Jackson Dart at quarterback in this offense with or without Malik neighbors, 20 fantasy
55:34points per game this is super close. Is Debro going to run away with this?
55:39I don't hate this Jackson Dart thing, but similar.
55:41Well, hold on. I almost put Jackson Dart on this sheet just for full transparency.
55:46It's a good call too. And my only thing Is this going to be the end?
55:51Like the full team roster counts for five points so I can make the comeback.
55:55Oh, that would actually we can let the audience score this.
55:58Yeah. Number one answer is the thing is, is kind of similar to the tight ends where it's like if I'm living
56:05in the high end, I can stomach that. But when you get into those middle rounds, I'm not sure I feel super
56:11compelled to make a higher investment on those middle guys knowing that, you know, behind us after Jackson Dart, you still got the rock parties of the world.
56:20If you want to even go later, I mean, we just gloss over Kyler Murray, but like Kyler Murray, we know what that upside can be.
56:27I just feel a little less compelled. Yeah, but there's only one and Debro has it later that I think has 20 points per game.
56:35At this point left, it's Jackson Dart and one other quarterback that has 20 points per game upside.
56:40And that's why I don't hate it. I'm just saying it's not necessarily where I'm at.
56:45Parker Washington definitely has a chance to be the near at the top guy there.
56:49So I'm going to go with Parker Washington. Debro is now up three points.
56:53Going to have to make a comeback. Will it happen in round nine?
56:57You guys are both going to go with some wide receivers.
57:00We have an ECR of 98 and we have an ECR of 106.
57:04So we're really going to be opening it up here.
57:07Debro, why don't you kick us off with the ninth round perfect pick?
57:11I have not talked about him, I think, on any shows previously.
57:15So I wanted to really bring him up here.
57:17I'm all in on Quentin Johnston this year. And I'm not paying the price tag for Lad McConkie because I don't think
57:24you're getting the real wide receiver one for the Chargers if you're paying up for Lad McConkie.
57:29You look at QJ's season last year, weeks one through four, he was healthy.
57:33Week five, he had a hamstring issue. He missed week six.
57:36Week seven and eight, his snap rates were down.
57:39And if you look at his target shares, his first read share, like basically throw out weeks five through eight because the
57:45usage clearly says he was not healthy because it was a massive outlier.
57:49So if you just look at the parts of last season, we can project that QJ was actually healthy or close to that.
57:56So weeks one through four and nine through 18.
57:59Quentin Johnston earned a 20.3% target share. He had 1.83 yards per route run, 12 reds on targets, 17 deep targets.
58:05He forced a missed tackle on 27% of his opportunities and he had a 24.8% first read share.
58:10I bring all of those numbers up because he led the whole freaking team in every single one of those categories.
58:16He was their clear wide receiver one. Oh, while also averaging 13.9 PPR points per game in those games, which last year,
58:23if you put it up against everybody else, would have made in the wide receiver 16 in fantasy points per game.
58:29So if you want Ladd McConkie production, but you don't want to pay the Ladd McConkie price tag this year, draft Quentin Johnston.
58:36Jake, you're up. You have the first player with a outside the top 100 ECR here in the ninth round.
58:42Wide receiver is mentioned. Who do we have? So I win.
58:45Yay. It really comes down to is the forgotten Jordan Edison at this point who had over 10 and 11 fancy points per game to start his career.
58:53And I know a lot of people are going to be like, well, you know, Kirk Cousins in this offense and back
59:00at the time and the touchdowns were reliant. Yeah, he was touchdown reliant.
59:04But I mean, Kyler Murray for everything that people wanted to say about J.J.
59:08McCarthy is like middle of the pack quarterback play.
59:10Jordan Edison is going to be relevant. Does he get 10, 11 touchdowns?
59:14Probably not. But if you look at Kyler Murray back when he was playing well, which is a big question mark, you
59:21go back even just heck Marvin Harrison's rookie season, which we just talked about earlier in the show, how bad that was and the connection was.
59:28He was the number two behind Trey McBride and eight touchdowns in his rookie year, not even on 100 targets because that's
59:35kind of that mold of that second option, which I think that's one of the similarities I like here is that Justin Jefferson is going to be fine.
59:43But Jordan Edison and Marvin Harrison kind of replicate what Harrison did in his rookie season, what Kyler Murray did with Harrison
59:50to what Harrison or Addison can do with Kyler Murray now with the Vikings.
59:54So the way this goes wrong is that Hawkinson bounces back and ends up being the number two where they siphon off
60:00each other because there's not really going to be a reliable third option with Kyler Murray.
60:05I'll admit that. I think we would be shocked if it was.
60:09I'm not going to say it's a non-zero chance, but I'm just looking at Addison at this range, ninth round for somebody
60:15that was not just top 40, not just top 30.
60:18He was top 25 the first two years of his career.
60:21And then worst case scenario last year, which we just had happen, he was still a wide receiver for in fancy points
60:28per game as bad as it was. So Jordan Edison in this range, I think is just buying all the ceiling potential here.
60:35I think these guys are, I know like physically don't look like, but it's a little Spider-Man meme where they're just like,
60:41it's kind of the same type of value. And the comeback starts now.
60:45Jake Seeley with the point. Jake Seeley is going to get the point here.
60:49I think it's really close. I do think Jawan Jennings going into Minnesota creates like a little bit of a question, but there's just such big play there.
60:57Obviously some big play with Quentin Johnson, you know, when he shows up, sometimes he disappears, sometimes he pops up.
61:03I will say that Addison, if Jawan Jennings, I would be shocked if it happens.
61:08If they start floating out that they're rotating, being on the field in two wide sets, I'll be off Jordan and Essendon in a heartbeat.
61:15Like, that makes me clear. Yeah. And I think it'll be a lot of three wide receiver in the 10th round before
61:22we are going to stack, stacking the 11th through the 14th together.
61:25The 10th round here, 118 and 110 on the ECR.
61:28Debro, you are jumping back in the tight end streets here.
61:31This is one of Bogman's favorite players this year.
61:34So hit us. If you don't want to pay up for tight end this year and it's, you're like I am and
61:40it's like, oh, it's Brock or it's Loveland or it's Warren and then you're just punting the position, you need to be drafting Isaiah likely.
61:48I think he's going to be the clear number two on this passing attack and that's assuming Neighbors is on the field.
61:54Neighbors starts on the pup or misses time this year, which is firmly possible right now for what we know and what we don't know.
62:02Isaiah likely could be the number one target and I'll just throw 2025 in the trash can.
62:07Crushed by a foot injury. I don't think he was close to being his actual like self on the field at all throughout the entirety of the season.
62:152024, 57 qualifying tight ends. Isaiah likely 17th in targets per route run, 10th in yards per route run, 8th in first downs per route run.
62:23I've got him as a top 12 tied into my rankings at tight end 8 and you get free access to a
62:29tight end 1 in the later rounds. It's easy.
62:32Jake, 110 in the 10th round here. Wide receiver pick for you.
62:35Your perfect pick. The value you like in the 10th round.
62:39If you can tell me I can get a double digit round wide receiver with the potential for 100 targets, that's a
62:45handful of people and this is one of the ones that falls into that handful and it's Josh Downs who did it
62:52two years ago and the reason I bring up two years ago is because two years ago with just barely over 100
62:58targets, 10 and a half fantasy points per game, which by the way, most year 10 and a half fantasy points per
63:05game checks you in as a solid wide receiver 3.
63:08Worst case scenario, you're usually wide receiver 35, 36 and I'm looking at this roster and yeah, I do like Tyler Warren
63:14too but if Daniel Jones is anything healthy to start this year, it's one of the three options as Josh Downs and
63:21it's going to be in my opinion a very narrowed target share between Pierce, Downs and Warren and you also have the
63:27upside here of this late offseason injury news to Alec Pierce becomes a factor earlier in the year and Downs starts off
63:34the year's potential, hey, he's the target leader with Tyler Warren and all of a sudden, guess what?
63:39You got a great trade chip on your hand because you can get off of him before Alec Pierce is 100% where
63:45like, oh my God, if Josh Downs starts off as a top 25 wide receiver, you sell high immediately let me make
63:52that clear but that's the upside potential to boot on top of it.
63:56The reason I like, I didn't like the Laporta thing is I like the idea of being able to take likely, it's
64:02something I'm really into this year too is like maybe stacking likely and Kittle, you know, like you can get Kittle and
64:09you can buy likely for the early, you know, you probably drive them around the same spot but you can kind of
64:15stack those guys and that also- He might lead the Giants in targets.
64:19Definite possibility, but also it's Josh Downs point for Jake, I would give you two points if I can on this this
64:26is probably one of my favorites, I think one of the better there's a little bit of ifs and buts that go
64:32on there but you know, if Daniel Jones is healthy if Alec Pierce misses time my God, if we're looking at full
64:39PPR I think this is a tremendous value which is going to take us to the final four picks which we're going
64:45to stack together here in just a minute and then we'll be able to take a look at the teams but today's
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67:02Jersey and Tennessee gentlemen 11 through 14 I want you to give your four picks but the caveat and make this real
67:08quick so we can do the breakdown you guys have the same player in round 11 so that is going to be
67:15a nullified point Jake is down by one point here and you have your three picks so Debro I'm just we're nixing
67:2111th round is Jonathan Brooks by both of you you can do a quick little aside on him give us your three
67:28picks with a quick little breakdown of the three players you took 11, 12, 13, 14 yeah Jonathan Brooks Jake and I
67:34have talked about him on a ton of shows I think everybody on the entire network has talked about him so it's
67:41just free access free upside my guy in round 12 is Malik Willis I don't understand why we're drafting him so late
67:47like we've forgotten in 2026 what the Konami code still is you can hate Miami Dolphins you can hate all that it
67:54still doesn't change the fact that Malik Willis is going to freaking run this year and if he runs this year you're
68:00getting a QB two that has top 12 upside it's just there's no way around it man 13th round Cam Ward again
68:07if I'm waiting on quarterbacks I want an upside shot at like who could be this year's Caleb Williams in the sense
68:13of massively improved offense and you don't have to play the whole carousel of is it a Wondell Robinson game I mean
68:20Jake you've talked about this like you just enjoy the the production from the quarterback and don't worry about the wide receivers
68:26and stuff by the cake not facing exactly I was waiting for you to throw that in there I was like crap
68:33I can't remember what exactly Jake keep harping over and over again I'll bring I'll bring your t-shirt exactly but that's the
68:39point though you can get all of the the great returns on an improved offense by drafting Tony Pollard or Cam Ward
68:46this year and the last guy that I'm bringing up Stefan Diggs in round 14 as soon as he gets signed doing
68:52best ball draft draft him now because he produces a wide receiver two last year on a per route basis I think
68:59the route share is going up this year if he lands with the commanders we're discussing a player that's going to be
69:05a wide receiver three throw a nugget in there but you got 12 13 and 14 how are you finishing this off
69:12yeah Jonathan Brooks and I know everybody out there at this point in the comments would be like man we keep talking
69:18about him on this channel but it really and he's our number two Jaden Higgins I believe is the number two but
69:25with Jalen Knoll and potentially Tank Dell being 100% there's more options there so that's the only offset of why I would
69:31take Coker slightly over Higgins round 13 you know I had this here before the news broke because I've been bringing him
69:38up a lot on this show and other networks is like why is not Alvin Kamara anymore but he is directly behind
69:44Travis Etienne he's still going to get uses in the passing game they just reworked his deal because he's not going anywhere
69:51they tried admittedly they tried but he's not going anywhere and if we're talking about backups that potentially take over if the
69:57lead gets hurt and Travis at Chen now gets hurt then Kamara in the 13th this is not going to stay here
70:04Kamara is going to move up now that the contract and he's officially here and the last one is yeah I did
70:10a show with Debro I said Stefan Diggs and the commanders I'd be rooting for it and if he assigned he would
70:17immediately jump 8th to 8th 9th round it was somebody that was top 40 in fantasy points per game last year but
70:23the other one I haven't brought up a lot and I wanted to bring this one up is Keaton Mitchell not just
70:30for the fact that it wanted them on this team and the GM said you know what cool I'll trust you you
70:36can bring in Keaton Mitchell and Mike McDaniel gets Keaton Mitchell and what he can potentially do with his running backs like
70:43I said you're looking at potential stand-alone RB3 value in round 14 for a running back so I'm taking a lot of
70:49Keaton Mitchell all right it went into the 11th round 5-4 in favor of Debro you guys are nullified you're going to
70:56say 6-6 aren't you no no we nullified in round 11 in round 12 Debro gets the point so he is now
71:02up 6-4 for Malik Willis that is one of my favorite later quarterbacks Seely is going to easily get the point in
71:09round 13 with Alvin Kamara he has been talking about this and I think this makes sense so it 12 when we
71:15get the teams up here is at least the Welsh winning team this is Debro team which ended up at quarterback you
71:21had Malik Willis and Cam Ward so really really late quarterbacks the running backs you piece together were James Cook David Montgomery
71:28Basial Tootin Tony Pollard and Jonathan Brooks that's powerhouse set of running backs wide receiver AJ Brown Jalen Waddell Parker Washington Quinton
71:34Johnston Bro team when we look at Jake's team one quarterback in Jackson Dart kind of the play here too if you're
71:41going to have a higher investment don't try to jump back in running backs really strong Chase Brown Kyron Williams David Montgomery
71:47Jonathan Brooks Camara and Keaton Mitchell and definitely on the wide receivers Puka Nakua Terry McLaurin Marvin Harrison Jordan Addison Josh Downs
71:54probably my favorite of this Coker and Sam Laporte at tight in do we do a five point team bonus well if
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