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0:20Hello everybody, welcome into the Fantasy Pros Twitch stream.
0:23I am Ryan warmly joined by Derek Brown. D-Bro, how are you doing buddy?
0:27Here on August 6th, a full week into the most fun month of the year.
0:31I'm doing good man. I was telling you, you're looking fresh and clean.
0:35You got it lined up and stuff yesterday. You were giving me crap because I didn't tell you that you looked pretty
0:41yesterday, but I'm here today to do it. But I'm doing good man.
0:45How are you? I may be looking fresh. I'm not looking clean.
0:48A lot of sweat in my hair. I just had a bit of a workout.
0:53I was telling you before this, and I didn't have time to change.
0:56Could have played that off like you just ran some water through your hair, you know?
1:01That would make you look a little bit better than the way it looks right now.
1:06You really can't compare to the... No, no. You don't know what it's like.
1:10You can't wrap your head around having hair. It's been a minute.
1:13It's been a minute, over a decade without that.
1:16I don't think I've ever asked you this. Yeah, when did you lose your hair?
1:20Oof. I... So the first time, not that everybody wants to know this, but I'll share.
1:25Um, I was in my late 20s and I had had like a close, like, probably like a two guard or something
1:31like that haircut for the longest time. And I was like, I got this wild hair, no pun intended.
1:36And I was like, I think I want to grow my hair back out.
1:40Started to do that process. And I looked in the mirror one day and I was like, ah, there's not as much as there used to be.
1:48And, you know, you know, the rest is history, as they say.
1:52I've always been afraid if I ever like gave myself a buzz cut or something, it just would stop growing back the way I wanted to.
1:59I feel like I jinxed myself. Like maybe if I never went that direction with the haircut earlier in life, like, I
2:05also kind of look back and I'm like, all those years I could have had like luscious flowing locks and I'd choose the latter.
2:12And I felt like it was just fate and, you know, fate, uh, in the world saying, guess what?
2:18You probably don't want that haircut now, but you're going to live with those rest of your life.
2:23Well, you, you've taken the track I would, which is when you start to lose ground in the north, you bolster the south and get the beard going.
2:31And that's, that's what I would do for sure.
2:34Um, although I have flip it, flip the head upside down, you know, I have recently started getting, uh, some of the
2:40white hairs in the beard and the mustache more and more noticeable.
2:43And that's tough. My, my, I have a birthday coming up in two weeks and, uh, it's, I'm at the age where
2:50I don't want my birthday to come. It's, it's no longer a fun, exciting thing.
2:54Yeah, bro. The closer you get to 40, those, uh, those years aren't as much fun.
2:59Just wait until you get after 40. It's a little bit more like, it's a little bit less fun.
3:04Um, all right. Well, we got some questions coming in here already.
3:08This is just kind of an open ending Q and a live stream here on Twitch.
3:12So I hope everybody, um, a tunes in and B has some fun questions for us.
3:17We also got a question on Twitter when I tweeted out the link, let me actually start with that one just so I don't forget it.
3:24And then we'll loop into those questions over on Twitch.
3:27Uh, the question that we got here on Twitter, how are we ranking that middle group of receivers?
3:32The Devante Smith, Zay Flowers, Zemecki Ibuka, Lad McConkie, T Higgins, et cetera range.
3:36Those are the names given by this person on Twitter, not by me, but you kind of look at, you know, expert consensus rankings.
3:43That's sort of the range of like wide receiver 13 is Devante Smith, Lad McConkie's wide receiver 20.
3:49Sort of the names through there. There's a couple he didn't mention, but that's kind of the range that these guys are all fitting into.
3:56Debra, how are you ranking these guys? Basically the top of the wide receiver twos.
4:00Um, who's your favorite of this group? Uh, overall, who's your favorite at cost?
4:04Who are you targeting most in drafts amongst this group?
4:07Roll me through that, that list of names one more time.
4:10The names that, that he asked about on Twitter were Devante Smith, Zay Flowers, Emeka Ibuka, Lad McConkie, T Higgins, but he also says, et cetera.
4:18So the guys that are kind of in this wide receiver 13 to 20 range based on ECR.
4:23I've got Devante Smith at the top of that heap at wide receiver 12.
4:27Uh, T is at wide receiver 15. Zay is at wide receiver 14.
4:31Emeka's at wide receiver 17. Although I kind of want to bump him up a little bit more.
4:36Um, so live here, I'm probably going to move Emeka up to wide receiver 15.
4:40It's all clustered, man. Like right now, could I make a good case to, to drop Devante Smith with the hamstring injury?
4:46Sure. Can I make a good case to sit here and raise Zay Flowers?
4:50I think I want to be at or above consensus with these guys moving forward, especially like Flowers and Ibuka.
4:56Like, I just think you're looking at a case of ceiling and floor for all of these guys.
5:01And I think Zay Flowers and Emeka Ibuka, if they hit their ceilings this year, which is not hard to see that
5:08one, them having the talent to do that into the pathway to do that.
5:12I want to make sure, especially with Zay and Emeka that I'm, I'm at the bare minimum at consensus, but I really
5:18want to be above consensus on them. I think the guy like least of this group is T Higgins, strictly because everybody
5:24else is the number one guy in their offense and he is not and will never be barring injury.
5:30And of course, there's also been burrow injuries and T's own injuries.
5:33So for me, he's the easily like last of this group, but man, like it's hard to pick a favorite because I
5:40like all of these guys a lot. Like I have been the guy who has faded Zay Flowers at cost just because
5:46I am not convinced the touchdowns are coming. But if they do, that upside is as high as like all but, I
5:52don't know, six receivers in the league. Like the number underlying numbers are great.
5:56We just need him to see that that better usage.
5:59I think my favorite target of this group, because he's the cheapest, is Ladd McConkie, because that's the offense I want to be most invested in.
6:07See, and I'm lower on him. He's down at wide receiver 20.
6:10For me, that's way too low. But having said that, I do quite like a lot of the guys ahead of him.
6:16So I somewhat get why other people might have him ranked lower.
6:20But I'm like, if I can get Devontae Smith at wide receiver 13 or Ladd McConkie at wide receiver 20, I'm taking
6:26Ladd every day just because I want to be invested in that offense.
6:30But I love Ibuka at wide receiver 18. I love Ted Aron McMillan, who wasn't mentioned, but he's in this range at wide receiver 17.
6:37Malik Nabors, if the injury stuff is not that big of a deal, could be a league winner for, you know, three quarters of the season.
6:45So it's a really fun range to be in.
6:47It's making me more and more interested in an early running back, knowing that so many of these receivers are options in this range.
6:54No, and I think that's a really good point, too.
6:57I, you know, I just the reason I have a hard time paying up for for wide receivers and drafts, I'm not
7:03saying I'm not willing to do that, depending on how the draft room goes and all that kind of stuff.
7:09I think that you can make some really, really good builds of teams with going RB RB and then playing catch up at wide receivers.
7:16Like, I love this entire tier of wide receivers.
7:19And all these guys we're discussing here in that third, fourth, kind of fifth round tier where, like, you can go RB
7:25RB and then just absolutely smash wide receivers for, like, the next three to four rounds and make your case for anybody that you want to.
7:33Again, like, the only guy in this tier that, like, I'm lower, much lower on consensus than everybody else is Lad McConkie.
7:39And this isn't like I don't dislike Lad. I view this offense and how I'm projecting it different than everybody else.
7:45Like, Lad, up to this point in his career over the last two years, hasn't come close to sniffing the ability to
7:51earn a wide receiver one market share of an offense and produce.
7:55I mean, dude, he was getting out targeted by freaking Keenan Allen and QJ on certain weeks last year.
8:00And if you look at all the games where QJ was fully healthy, QJ crushed him in target share.
8:06I mean, every single metric that we should care about.
8:09So Lad, I think he's the name of, like, everybody's like, oh, like, I want a piece of the Chargers offense.
8:15He's the guy with ceiling. I push back against everybody.
8:18And I'm like, where have we seen that ceiling?
8:20Because I haven't seen it consistently over two years, much less like it's spurts where we've seen this from QJ.
8:26So, like, I'm willing to avoid Lad, draft all the other guys, and I'll just grab QJ later.
8:31But I know I'm contrarian in that stance versus the market and everybody.
8:35Well, and we'll get to the Twitch questions in a second.
8:38I do also think that, like, maybe the target share numbers don't suggest that there's upside.
8:43But, like, he was wide receiver 13 as a rookie, which is seven spots higher than he's going right now.
8:48And that doesn't even consider his massive playoff game that he had in that rookie season, which, if you include that, makes
8:55his season-long numbers look even more impressive. So I do still think maybe there's not the level of upside that I'm projecting it as.
9:02But I do think there's upside from him being wide receiver 20.
9:05He can, obviously, he can do that. He has done it.
9:08He can. But that's my only problem. Like, that entire tier that we just discussed.
9:13Yeah. If I'm drafting you as a mid-wide receiver 2, I want you to have wide receiver 1 upside if, like, all
9:19the bells and whistles and everything clicks and stuff like that.
9:22Like, and I can see that type of upside for somebody like a Jalen Waddell.
9:26I can see that type of upside for a Zay Flowers.
9:30I could see it for a Mecca Buka. I could see it for a Garrett Wilson, a Terry McLaurin.
9:35I mean, hell, Devontae Adams, even though he's an older wide receiver, dude was wide receiver 8 when he was on the freaking field last year.
9:43So, like, I could see the case for wide receiver 1 type of upside for them versus I'm having a harder time
9:49to squint and see the wide receiver 1 type of case for Ladd.
9:53Even though, you know, it's probably there. I'll put a bow on this conversation by saying this.
9:57If I had, like, the third pick, I'll be thrilled to get a guy like Jamar Chase.
10:02Because if I'm more in the middle of the first round, I think I'm going to be starting a lot of drafts
10:09with, like, Jonathan Taylor or Christian McCaffrey, Brock Bowers in round 2, and then just soar through these receivers for the next 24 rounds.
10:16I think that will be my favorite start, I think, in most drafts.
10:19Yeah, I mean, for me, it's like if I'm at the back end of round 1, it's like give me Christian McCaffrey
10:26because he falls consistently to, like, the 108 in some drafts, 110, depending on the room that you're in.
10:31I just started in Flex League with him at the 110 because I was just like, okay, what's a binary decision?
10:37Stays healthy, he's top two back. He gets hurt, I'm screwed.
10:40Okay, let's roll the dice. So I'm with you on that.
10:44Like, James Cook is another name that I'll mention here.
10:46But, like, in those top two rounds, it is very plausible to just lean into it and go RB, RB type of start.
10:53Like, we're sitting here drafting in 2005 again. By the way, just a reminder for everybody, all of our 2026 consensus rankings
10:59and tiers can be found at fantasypros.com slash rankings.
11:02That's not just our own, although you can find our own on the site.
11:06That's a whole bunch of folks in the industry consensus all put together.
11:10So kind of a great resource that we encourage you to use.
11:13By the way, shouts to 18JMac, if I'm pronouncing that right, J-Match maybe, resubbing.
11:17We really appreciate that, especially this time of year.
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11:22Glad I got to say that one. Shout out to him as well.
11:26Yeah, watch out. They'll try to trip you up with these names here on Twitch, man.
11:31I read it slowly a couple of times in my head.
11:34They'll get you. There's some Easter eggs in some of these names.
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11:48You know, this helps keep these streams going. And they're so much fun.
11:52I know what D-Bro feels the same. I really love doing these.
11:55Oh, yeah. Live streams always, maybe. We want as many excuses to do as many as we can.
12:01I wish all of our shows were live streams, to be honest, man.
12:04I just think there's a really good vibe with it all the time.
12:08Let's start going through some of these comments here.
12:11By the way, I appreciate I'm Prezzy. He reminded me that the offer stands if I ever come to his Dairy Queen.
12:17He's got me on a free Blizzard. I appreciate that.
12:20And we'll pick him up on it at some point.
12:23First question here. For Solar Coke, how do you utilize tiers when drafting?
12:27I utilize them extensively. I will not go into a draft without having a sense of my tiers.
12:32I don't always write them down. I would encourage everybody to use the cheat sheet creator we have on the site.
12:38I think it's a great resource as well. If you want to build in your own tiers and not go based off of what our consensus tiers show.
12:46So I think if you are not utilizing tiers when drafting, you are doing yourself a disservice and you are putting yourself behind the eight ball.
12:53It is so important to know when there's a run coming on a position.
12:57It's so important to know when, hey, you know, there's eight running backs I still like roughly the same and there's only
13:04two receivers I like roughly the same. Take the receiver.
13:07That is like almost the most basic level of analysis I would give anybody starting off as a fantasy football manager.
13:13Not to say it's a basic level question, but just like I do think it is that fundamental to drafting that I
13:19would start with that even with those who are less experienced.
13:22However you put together your tiers, whether it's your own rankings or utilizing consensus or whatever, use them when drafting.
13:28Because if you don't, like I said, I think you're really putting yourself behind the eight ball.
13:33And the way I utilize tiers in terms of creating my tiers, not just like in the actual draft, but building out
13:39my tiers, I try to think, would I have a major issue with taking this player over somebody else in this tier?
13:45If the answer is no, then I want them in the same tier.
13:49So I'm somebody who has more tiers than most.
13:52You know, some people will have like eight to 10, 12 players in a tier, especially as you get in the middle rounds.
13:58For me, there's usually like I would have a problem with taking that 12th player in a tier versus the first.
14:04So I usually have them smaller. For example, tier one at running backs this year.
14:09I don't think there's any argument to take somebody other than Bijan or Gibbs.
14:13So that is my tier, even though I think like on consensus, I think McCaffrey and Taylor are there.
14:18I agree that those are first round picks and they're great running backs.
14:22But to me, there's no world where you can take somebody other than Gibbs or Bijan first.
14:27So my tier is just too deep for tier one at running back.
14:31Just as an example, Debra, how do you utilize tiers?
14:34I think the easy low-hanging fruit here is if you're using the mock drive simulator, if you've synced your league using draft
14:40assistant, it's going to help you recognize where the teardrop is coming and stuff like that as you're doing your drafts.
14:46Now, outside of using draft assistant and using the cheat sheet creator, which you should absolutely be doing, if like what you're
14:52discussing here, Worm, is I would take my rankings versus like ECR tiers and stuff like that.
14:57Compare whether you want to throw all this stuff into a spreadsheet.
15:01You want to go old school with paper and you're printing stuff out and you want to circle names of like, who
15:07are the last of a tier that I want to make sure that like if the teardrop is about to come, like
15:13how I'm viewing this tier of wide receivers and what that looks like, like which tier are you prioritizing for wide receivers?
15:20We talked about those like round three, round four guys.
15:22Who are in that tier that you want to really draft?
15:26You're really high on or you're following people that you trust and they are really high on in that tier.
15:31Okay, well, I'm circling those guys and then once they get past that, say they go right before me, but I view
15:38all the guys that are still in that tier as being, it's just flat.
15:42If I get one of those guys that falls past ADP or I can get him the next round or two rounds.
15:48Okay, fine. But if one of those guys that I feel like is an outlier or he's maybe miscast in a lower
15:54tier and I've got him circled or I got him on my cheat sheet, then I'm willing to draft that guy versus
16:01if they go right ahead of me, then I'm like, okay, well, that last guy that I cared about in that tier
16:07for wide receiver or I viewed him as a tier higher, then I'll just pivot and go to running back or I'll
16:13pay up for tight end or quarterback or what have you.
16:17And that's kind of really like just the ebbs and flows of that, how I'm utilizing tiers, how I'm visualizing them and using that all in a draft.
16:25By the way, being told by sort of the production side that maybe this is cutting out a bit on Twitch.
16:31Apologies to anybody watching if we're cutting out a bit, trying to get that resolved here.
16:35It looks kind of good on our end, so we're seeing what the issue is there.
16:40Hopefully we're coming through okay to you guys as much as possible.
16:43D-Bro, next question here from TCB. Baby number three, do any day now.
16:47Any tips for running a zone defense now that we have to switch from man?
16:51Any tips for fantasy drafting on no sleep? I am not a father.
16:55I cannot weigh in on this one. I am the father of a lovely dog and that is it, so not quite the same.
17:02D-Bro, how would you weigh in on this? It's all zone coverage, TCB.
17:06And it all comes down to you utilizing your energy to the best of your abilities.
17:10One, using all the tools at Fantasy Pros is going to help you kind of counteract the no sleep.
17:16Two, when you're at those 2 or 3 a.m.
17:18spots and you're rocking the baby back to sleep or feedings and stuff like that.
17:23Like those are the moments where you got your phone in your hand and you're running mock drafts with the other hand
17:29while the bottle is holding in the other hand.
17:32So it all goes back to zone coverage, trying to maximize the actual waking hours and energy that you do have.
17:38But, you know, kids first, family first, baby. I'm going to give a shout.
17:42We don't always do this because obviously we want people to listen to our show.
17:46But I'm going to give a shout to somebody who hosts another fantasy show in the industry, Danny Kelly of The Ringer.
17:52I've seen him talk about this a lot both on shows and on Twitter.
17:56The song from the Hobbit soundtrack, Misty Mountains, for whatever reason, gets babies to stop crying.
18:01And he brings this up all the time. And every year during Spotify wrap, you see people tweet at Danny Kelly like, hey, thanks for the advice.
18:09This is my most played song this year. I have a newborn child.
18:13I am not a father. I have given this advice to my friends who are new parents and they have all said it works.
18:19So maybe it's that song. Maybe it's another. But that's I'd had to shout out Danny because he has given that advice to new new parents before.
18:27And people in my life have used it and found it to work.
18:31So, yeah, that song is a really good call.
18:34Also, car rides. Very, very car rides. Oh, man.
18:36By the way, shouts to my guy Prezi who resubbed with Prime.
18:40Appreciate that. Question here from MK draft. Makai Lemon or Casey Concepcion Debro.
18:43And where they're going in the cost and drafts.
18:46Casey Concepcion is just free money. This isn't like an anti Makai Lemon stance and stuff like that.
18:51But like where he's going in drafts, you're having to pay a lot more for the sticker price and stuff.
18:57I and I know a lot of this comes down to like the offense, the quarterback play and all that kind of stuff.
19:03If she door surprises this year, they might not be very far apart in targets and stuff.
19:08And we were like a lot of people like, OK, what is Todd Monk in going to let them throw a lot and stuff like that?
19:16You don't add as many pass catching options as Cleveland did in the draft this year.
19:20And this influx of weapons like let the guys go chuck it around the yard, whether that's Watson or Shadour and stuff like that.
19:27Like I know they're going to try to win games.
19:30They got to win games and stuff like that, too.
19:33But you got to see what you got in your quarterbacks, too.
19:37And, you know, for Monk, and I think he's a smart play caller.
19:40I think we're going to get a lot of play action, a lot of motion, things like that.
19:45You know, and I think a lot of the, you know, maybe the passing rate stuff can kind of be a little bit more fluid.
19:53Like when you're the OC and you're inside of a building versus when you're the head coach and you're the one calling
19:59the shots of how everything's going to run because you have the final say could be a bit different.
20:04But I know you got a long history with Monk and Worm.
20:08What are your thoughts? Well, I was going to say if you ask a lot of Ravens fans in Baltimore, they would
20:14say like their biggest complaint with Monk is throwing the ball too much.
20:18Well, in playoffs, yes. The playoffs had happened a lot.
20:21There were other big games where it was, hey, this is the perfect opportunity to run out the clock with Derrick Henry.
20:27Why are we throwing the ball? So I do think he has a good modern passing attack.
20:32I think Monk is a really good play designer and a pretty good play caller.
20:36I'm very, was very impressive. I thought it was a great pairing with Lamar.
20:40And, you know, I'm excited about Declan Doyle. Like I'm okay with him being gone.
20:45It wasn't like losing Sean McVay or Kyle Shanahan.
20:47But I think he is good. And I think he will benefit Denzel Boston and Casey Concepcion and Shadour Sanders or Deshaun Watson and Harold Fannin.
20:55Like I think he will be a boost to this offense.
20:58Maybe not in as obvious a way as like Ben Johnson going to Chicago, but I think it'll help.
21:03And that extends to the past game as well.
21:06Like I think if Casey Concepcion and Denzel Boston looping him in were going a lot earlier in drafts, I would be
21:12a bit nervous because of the Browns of it all and the Shadour Sanders of it all.
21:17But they're free. They're outside the top 50 receivers.
21:20So to me, that's a great bet. And Makai Lemon's wide receiver 44 in consensus right now.
21:25Like I'm willing to make that bet as well.
21:27You know, obviously his own hamstring thing going on.
21:30But like Scott, the best GM in football traded up to get this receiver.
21:34To me, that counts for something. And at his cost, which is as late as it is, I'm interested in him as well.
21:41I mean, like right now in real time ADP is should be there.
21:44Should there be this massive gap right now? Worm and Makai Lemon at real time ADP is wide receiver 40 at 104 overall.
21:51And Casey Concepcion is wide receiver 53 at 141st overall.
21:54Like a three round gap? It's a pretty wide gap.
21:57It feels like it's a step too much, but it comes down to like one's in Philly with Jalen Hurts and one's in Cleveland.
22:04And everybody's like, oh, I hate the quarterback and stuff.
22:07It's like still going to get freaking targets, man.
22:09Like are we really that damn worried about Jerry Judy?
22:12Yes. Being in Philly, yes, it's a better offense.
22:15But you're also competing with Devontae Smith, Dallas Goddard and Saquon in Cleveland.
22:18And it's like you have an opportunity to be wide receiver one on this team.
22:23Yes. That that you have to earn it. But that opportunity is there.
22:26It comes back to like the kind of like the the nebulous conversation we kind of have every year.
22:32It's like, would you rather draft the wide receiver two or three from a good offense or draft the wide receiver one from a more sketchy offense?
22:40And for me, I'm kind of like, I'd rather draft the wide receiver one four rounds later from a sketchy offense, because
22:46if they surprise that gap should not exist. First round receivers are just good investments, too, man.
22:51Yes. It's like the best thing. Emphatically agree. Yep.
22:53By the way, if you have players that you want, you need to know whether your league will let them fall with draft intel.
23:00You can see your league mates past draft tendencies spot who reaches on certain positions and know whether you can wait or need to move early.
23:08Go to fantasypros.com slash intel. Use draft intel and build a draft for your league.
23:12Everybody listening has heard me talk about this a lot if they've ever listened to one of our shows.
23:18I think draft intel is the single best tool we have at fantasypros.
23:21Cheat code. I love it. I talk about it all the time.
23:25It is truly a cheat code. So I would highly encourage everybody to check it out if you haven't and have been in a long-running league.
23:32Also, shouts to Wayment, who followed as well. Really appreciate the follow.
23:36What's the old adage, Worm? If you're not cheating, you're not trying.
23:39So if you're not using draft intel, you're not trying?
23:42If you're not using draft intel, you're not trying.
23:45There's something there. We'll talk to the marketing folks about it.
23:48T-shirt idea. Come on. Yes, exactly. By the way, STLuttrell used the fantasypros draft simulator while they held their newborn to sleep.
23:54See? I love hearing that. I'm just giving out the stuff that people are already doing, Worm.
23:59See? TCB? There you go. Question here from the same Latrell.
24:02If you had to draft one of the Browns receivers, which one are you going with and why?
24:07Now, I know that you like both, D-Bro. I love both.
24:11So who is your favorite? If you had to only pick one.
24:14At cost, I'll say Denzel Boston. I just made a great case for Casey Concepcion, but Denzel Boston, wide receiver 64 at 151st in real-time ADP right now.
24:22Like, again, we're talking about if we're like right now with conviction, the market is saying that Mekhi Lemon is a better investment handedly than Casey Concepcion.
24:30The market is also saying that Casey Concepcion is handedly a better investment than Denzel Boston because Casey Concepcion will be the
24:36wide receiver one of the Cleveland Browns. Because I'm telling you to draft both of these guys because they're free.
24:42And then by week four, you know what's up with this offense.
24:45So you're either cutting one of these guys because one of them steps up and they're the clear wide receiver one of the offense.
24:52Or you love both of these guys in Casey Concepcion and Denzel Boston because they're already out kicking where you drafted them right now.
24:59So like I'm team draft both of them. If I got to pick one at cost, it's Denzel Boston and Wyrm.
25:05It's so funny and I love to zoom out and I tweet this out all the freaking time of like just trying
25:12to shove the bad narratives back in everybody's faces that we hear all the way through draft season.
25:17Denzel Boston has done nothing, whether it's been rookie or training camp, but just put up banner day after banner day after
25:23banner day and he is making waves in camp.
25:26But if you go back to the pre-draft process, he's too slow.
25:29He's overrated. He's not a first round pick. Why does everybody like this guy?
25:33He is. I mean, he's a bum. He fell to the second round of the NFL draft.
25:38Wyrm, weren't you aware of this? I liked Denzel Boston.
25:41I loved him as a prospect. I wasn't quite on your level of liking him, but I was in.
25:46You don't need to sell me on him being a good player.
25:50He was my wide receiver three of the class pre-draft over Tyson and Lemon.
25:54Yeah, just to put it out there for people.
25:56Let's go to a question here from our case.
25:59Are you guys selling neighbors in dynasty formats? A lot of skepticism from me with his injury.
26:04I did sell Malik neighbors in a dynasty league this offseason.
26:07It's actually a league you are in, D-Bro. But I got back a very good player.
26:12I got back Justin Jefferson. It was a one-for-one deal.
26:15Yeah, I remember that deal. The player I traded with our graphics guy, Ethan, who's a superstar.
26:20Ethan is not competing. I am a win-now team.
26:22And I was like, listen, neighbors in Jefferson are both very good players.
26:26Did Jefferson, was it a straight-up swap? I'm trying to remember.
26:29It was a one-for-one. There was no picks. Yeah, okay, okay.
26:32Yeah, yeah, yeah. Straight up. That's what I thought it was.
26:35And this was a little earlier with some of the more negative pessimism with the pup stuff with neighbors and his recovery.
26:42But I was like, listen, I'm a win-now team.
26:44Ethan, you want a higher pick in this great class next year.
26:48So neighbors actually helps you lose a couple games early.
26:51He's younger. I'm win-now. Neighbors was my wide receiver, too, because I have C.D.
26:55Lamb also. So I was like, I compare Lamb and Jefferson as a win-now team.
26:59That felt like the play to me. And Ethan was on board with it, our graphics guy.
27:04So I actually did sell Neighbors, but it took Justin Jefferson for me to do it.
27:08Yeah, and so another league we're in, just talking the table of one of those leagues that we're in, too.
27:14I think it was Dalton Del Don. Like, I offered, I think he has Drake London in that league that I'm talking about with us.
27:21Yeah. I offered him Malik Neighbors for Drake London and a second.
27:25Like, that's, you know, and again, this was when all the neighbor stuff.
27:29Now, the context about my team is I'm still trying to rebuild this.
27:32It's bad. From taking this team over. It's bad.
27:35It's a work of progress. Well, the other part about this team is it's much, much better than it used to be.
27:41And I'll just leave it at that. But with all of that is I'm not against getting rid of Malik Neighbors and Dynasty.
27:48And also, I think the other thing is in a Dynasty format, he is a fantastic buy, too.
27:53So it kind of depends on team context, what kind of return you're going to get, because the value on Malik Neighbors
27:59is going to vary so widely from every single league.
28:02So whether you got Neighbors or you don't, yeah, put him on the block or go go kick the tires on another
28:09team, because you might actually be surprised on what the price tag is.
28:12And if somebody's out on Neighbors. So I think that he's in this weird kind of like category worm where he could
28:19be a fantastic trade for and a fantastic trade away, depending on your return or the price to acquire him right now.
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30:19I love being in that league with Dalton, especially because he's such a willing trader.
30:23Like last year, I took over a pre-existing team in that league.
30:27And like he immediately was setting me like, fair, reasonable offers.
30:30Not trying to take advantage or anything. So that's a fun one.
30:33You weren't, it wasn't like there's blood in the water.
30:36Everybody trying to kick the tires and be like, oh.
30:39If you don't see the sucker in the room, then you're the sucker.
30:43So like everybody's trying to be like, oh, is it a worm?
30:46A question here from Estee Latrell again. Which Arizona Cardinal is the best value at their current cost?
30:51Not an easy question to answer because it's not an offense.
30:55It's not Love and it's not McBride. I can tell you that.
30:58You know what? I agree it's not McBride. I think that's the easiest one that it's not.
31:03But I, I wonder if Love, like, I know all the reasons to be RB13, 28th overall in real-time ADP.
31:09I know why we should be bearish on that.
31:11But like running backs who go that early do tend to do pretty well in year one.
31:16Like even like you think about Ashton Gentry. People that had Gentry last year weren't that happy worm.
31:21But he was running back 11, you know. I'm just the voice of the people right now, okay?
31:27I'm just telling you. He had almost 1,000 rushing yards behind a horrific offensive line.
31:31He was an RB2. An offensive line that is worse than what the Cardinals have this year.
31:36Not that the Cardinals is good. No, you're right.
31:38But it was worse than what the Cardinals have this year.
31:42He almost got 1,000 rushing yards. He had 10 combined touchdowns.
31:45And he caught 55 balls. Jeremiah Love went earlier in the draft.
31:48In a different draft, of course, to a different situation.
31:51But like the situation is no worse than what the Raiders had last year.
31:55And he had that level of capital. And for a lot of prospect evaluators, like I think most had Gentry a hair above Love.
32:02But it wasn't like a big wide gap. So like I wonder if Love, if he has any better situation this year than Gentry had.
32:09If that ends up looking like a deal. Not a steal, but a deal, right?
32:14Like where it's like that was a value even if he didn't become a league winner there.
32:18And the other thing is, D-Bro, I don't want to pick anybody else.
32:22I don't want to be the guy going to the mat for Marvin Harrison Jr.
32:26You know, Michael Wilson wasn't getting targets when Marvin Harrison Jr.
32:30was on the field. I'm like kind of scared of both of them.
32:33And I agree with you that McBride is just ranked too highly based on how he finished last year.
32:39So unless you want to make the case for like Jacoby Brissett, I feel like for me it has to be Love.
32:45So for me, I'll go with the pure and this isn't just like, okay, I'm taking the guy that's going lowest in ADP.
32:52I will make the case for Michael Wilson only because even if you look at just the chasm between him and Marvin
32:58Harrison Jr., wide receiver 31 in real time ADP, 77th overall.
33:01Michael Wilson is 41st in real time ADP, 108th overall.
33:04Again, like there's a two to three round gap there that I don't think should exist.
33:09I'll take Wilson being the latest guy because there is a run out this year where maybe Michael Wilson is the wide receiver one in that passing attack.
33:17I'm not saying it's the most probable run out, but if that is the run out and he does out target Marvin Harrison Jr.
33:24This year and he's a wide receiver three and Marvin Harrison Jr.
33:27Like all of the stuff we see in camp, like whether it's routes, drops, yips, confidence issues, injuries over the past few years.
33:34If those things do continue to rear their ugly head, then he looks like the massive ADP winner.
33:39And this is not because I dislike Jeremiah Love.
33:42I freaking love him as a player. He is awesome.
33:44Awesome. Awesome. Awesome. It comes down to he's RB freaking 13 in drafts, man.
33:48Like if he was RB 18, like sure, I'm fine with that.
33:52Don't you feel like running backs who could get drafted third overall in the NFL draft are usually an RB1?
33:58Fair, but just in terms of where they're getting drafted, not even saying how it pans out, but they are drafted as RB1s.
34:04So the fact that he's in the RB2 range does feel like a little bit of a value.
34:10Well, I mean, yeah, but he's barely in the RB2 range.
34:13And the other thing, like the worry about him is nothing related to Jeremiah Love.
34:17It is the coaching staff shoving in more Tyler Algier than any of us freaking want to see.
34:22It is also the fact that their quarterback room is a poopoo platter.
34:26It's it's bad. Like Brissett is overrated. I'm glad he got his back.
34:30Get paid, dude, because you're probably not a starter after this year.
34:33Gardner Minshew, meh. Carson Beck, wolf. Like it's not good.
34:36So scoring opportunities, I worry there. But like I have a hard time making a case for myself for like, because if
34:42you go back to yesterday, it's not just the Ashing Gentee conversation.
34:46We can have a really good conversation about B.
34:48John Robinson, too, where he got he got messed over by Tyler Algier.
34:52And if that happens to not even discussing James Conner, but like I have a hard time drafting Jeremiah Love over even
34:58somebody like Kyron Williams, Javante Williams, Brees Hall. Like for me, it's like you got it.
35:03It's like we have to pick somebody. I don't I'm not sitting here saying I love Michael.
35:08I love that's where I'm at. You know, I will say, D bro.
35:12I'm not willing to write the book on Marvin Harrison Jr.
35:15Yet. I know that. No, I mean, I'm not either, but I'm just saying I just I can't help but be like
35:21this guy was so good at Ohio State. And I've just doing that for a third straight year.
35:26Worm. I cannot help it. I recognize the folly in what I'm saying, but I just can't help myself.
35:32By the way, blue Dean. Twenty nine just followed.
35:34Shouts to them. All right. Next question here from underrated in a 16 team.
35:38Keep eight offensive players. Full PPR. Would you trade Jacobs for pickings?
35:42Yes, I would as well. Done. That's actually easy.
35:44I'm more worried about Jacobs and his long term.
35:47Like you tell the volume has piled up. We've seen the injuries and stuff like this is.
35:52Running back. I am very concerned about like efficiency.
35:55Can he stay healthy? What does that look like?
35:57Marshawn. I think Green Bay might throw more this year in general.
36:01Yeah. Well, that's the case. Are we going to see more Marshawn Lloyd on passing downs, too, if he stays healthy and it's full PPR.
36:08So like you want to lean towards a receiver anyway.
36:11The fact that you can keep so many players take the younger guy for me.
36:15I would definitely prefer pickings. Yes, easily. He's going to get paid or he's going to get he's going to crush this year.
36:22All in on pickings. Better call Bob. Should we be targeting White, Gainwell and Mason late in drafts once running back drives up?
36:28I think definitely. Yeah. I mean, I should. Yeah.
36:31I think absolutely all three of those guys as running back gets, you know, shallow.
36:35What order are you going to put them in?
36:38Worm. Yeah. Here. I'll give you a second to marinate over this.
36:41Yeah. For me, it is Gainwell, then Rashad White and then Jordan Mason.
36:45And also throw I'll throw Bill into this, too.
36:48Like I was just talking about the Cleveland Browns situation.
36:50Draft both. Figure. Let the team tell you what's up or let the players tell you what's up and figure this out into the season.
36:58Draft for shot, white and Ja'Cory Crosskey merit and let and let the cards fall where they may.
37:03Because again, the risk is all priced into their ADPs, but the upside is not.
37:07So for me, the order would be Gainwell, white and Mason.
37:10Mason, it only comes down to like, I'm really worried about the quarterback play.
37:14I have no faith in Kyler. We know Jordan Mason is not going to catch passes.
37:19I think his role was pretty solidified. And this is like, even if Aaron Jones goes down, if DeMond Claiborne just takes
37:25over that role and Mason doesn't see a bump, then that's not really changing.
37:29Kenny Gainwell, I think last year was very legit.
37:32And we've seen the Bucs support two running backs in that backfield before.
37:36So if he can just be a better version of Rashad white of yesteryear, could he eat into Bucky's workload more?
37:42That's why I kind of stick with the order.
37:44But where are you at worm? It's funny. I pulled up real time ADP just out of curiosity.
37:49Gainwell is RB 37. White is RB 38. Mason is RB 39.
37:53There you go. Back to back. I think I am, I am more intrigued than you are by the possibility of Jordan Mason.
37:59Maybe like if Aaron Jones falls off a cliff or goes down or whatever.
38:03Getting more opportunity. And I'm willing to give Kevin O'Connell a second chance.
38:07Like he's done so much good with the offense over the years.
38:11I know last year wasn't that I'm willing to give him a chance to either have Kyler's the reclamation project or JJ
38:17McCarthy makes a surprising support, whatever it is. I'm willing to give Kevin O'Connell another chance here.
38:22And I wonder if Mason ends up being the lead back over the course of the whole season in that backfield based on whatever happens with Jones.
38:30So I think I would have Mason ahead of White.
38:33Because I do, I am also intrigued by Bill.
38:35So who's at the top of the heap? Is Gainwell at the top of the heap or is Mason for you?
38:41I think I go Gainwell, Mason, White for me.
38:44Okay. Yeah. Because your points on Gainwell, I think are well said.
38:47I don't have anything to add to them. That's why he would be at the top for me.
38:52And then I think I would go Mason over White.
38:55But they're obviously all very close in ADP. Yeah.
38:58I mean, they're literally back to back to back.
39:00Yeah. Question here from T Tao Berman. Would you trade CD and Laporta for Rice, T and Christian Watson?
39:06No. I'm not doing that. I don't want anything to do with Rice.
39:10I'm guessing this is a dynasty format. I want nothing to do with Rasheed Rice in a dynasty format.
39:15Yeah. I like the idea of targeting Christian Watson, but CD is too much to give up for me for like, again, T's number two in his offense.
39:23Yeah, exactly. He's off the field stuff. And Laporta, like I'm expecting a bit of a bounce back.
39:28Could you, could you just like, could you water this down to like, if this was Laporta, assuming this is dynasty and
39:35assuming like your tight end room is good because if you're trading in Laporta way, I'm guessing that's the case.
39:40Worm, would you do Laporta straight up or Christian Watson?
39:43I think that's pretty even for me. Like you need the wide receiver.
39:47It is entirely dependent on who my other tight end is.
39:50But if I am comfortable with my tight end room without Laporta, then yes, I would make that move.
39:56Like say you have a Harold Fannin or a Kyle Pitts or whatever.
39:59If I have a Harold Fannin on my team or Tucker Craft, I will trade Laporta for Christian Watson happily.
40:05Yeah. Like I feel like that. And I'm not even like looking at like Seth, if you want to pull this up on the trade value chart.
40:13The fantasy pros trade chart might tell me I'm wrong.
40:16We shall see. While we're talking tight ends from this question from Collins, if you take a tight end like Kittle or
40:22Kraft, are you more inclined to draft a second tight end?
40:25I think for Kittle, you have to be. I think both.
40:29Kraft, like I'm pretty bullish on what Kraft is going to look like this year.
40:33I'm okay. I mean, really like for me, the way I approach tight end is I like having two unless I have like Bowers, McBride, Loveland.
40:40Like unless I have an obvious no doubt tier one guy, I'm probably going to take two swings on the position anyway.
40:47So Kittle, no brainer. Kraft I really like, but I'd still probably take a second.
40:51I would take a second regardless of either one of those guys, Kittle or Kraft.
40:55And I think the perfect, um, the perfect area code, uh, to take that second tight end.
41:00And I'm looking at real time ADP right now is tight end.
41:04I mean, all these guys are in a row tight end 12, tight end 13, tight end 15, uh, Isaiah likely Dallas Goddard, Jake Ferguson.
41:11All of those guys are a perfect player. Any one of those guys, they're in the same tier of you're probably getting top 12 production from those guys.
41:19So the floor is very, very, at least like floor is probably top 15 production from those guys.
41:24And then your ceiling play is Tucker Kraft or George Kittle.
41:27But again, a real time ADP right now, like Isaiah likely is at one 12, uh, Dallas Goddard is at one 12,
41:34uh, 0.7 and Jake Ferguson's at one 25. So you're getting all of these guys in double digit rounds and you're able
41:40to pair them with a George Kittle or a Tucker craft and kind of like, okay, well say let's play out the
41:46scenario where I'm like, we're both wrong. They don't start week one.
41:50They start on the pop. So like the first four weeks you get top 12 production or, you know, at least serviceable production from your tight end.
41:57And then you got the ceiling guys, like maybe starting for you in week five.
42:02We shall see. Yeah. Um, let's see. Ah, I love it.
42:05You love to see it, Seth. The trade value chart, Christian Watson, a 47.
42:09You love to see it. People are doing the trade chart like the back of my hand, baby.
42:14Um, by the way, you can just search cut sort of a, you can either go on the site or just kind
42:21of Google fantasy pros, dynasty trade value chart. That's updated the first of every month.
42:25Yep. Fantasy pros. Um, question here. Keep three, uh, CD lamb, Ashen Genty, Tedrow, McMillan, Jalen Warren, Drake may.
42:30Rattle those names one more time. CD lamb, Ashen Genty, Tedrow, McMillan, uh, Jalen Warren.
42:35I, or maybe it's Tyler Warren. It doesn't specify just as Warren.
42:38Okay. Keep how many? Three. Drake may is a keep CD lamb is a keep.
42:42And what are we left for players? Genty, Tedrow, McMillan, and then either Tyler or Jalen Warren.
42:47If it's Tyler Warren, I'm keeping him. If it's not Tyler Warren, then I'm going to keep, um, I think I'm going to Genty.
42:54Even though I like Tedrow, McMillan. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
42:57I'm keeping Genty in there too. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, in dynasty, is this a good trade?
43:01Likely for Addison or likely and wicks for Caleb Williams.
43:04Toss to Seth. I don't know if you're tossing these up.
43:07Toss these up on the screen. I'm so much more of a visual guy.
43:11I'm going to lose my, I'm going to lose myself.
43:14Yeah. Um, likely for Addison or likely and wicks for Caleb Williams.
43:18So I'm guessing this is one QB. It's gotta be no doubt about it.
43:22Trade for Caleb Williams. Um, even in one QB, I'm more on the Caleb side of this.
43:27Like, I, I just don't know what we're going to get out of Addison.
43:31If it's another down year because the quarterback play is bad.
43:34If he goes somewhere else and free agency, this isn't even accounting for the off the field idiocy.
43:39We've seen from Jordan Addison and spurts. So I'm much more on the give up likely and wicks for Caleb Williams side of that, Joe.
43:46Yeah. I think I would do that too. Um, by the way, you can join our fantasy pros discord community chat with
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44:12All right, Devo. We got you 12 ish minutes left here.
44:15So a lot of questions. So we'll start going a little speed around here.
44:19Although this one is a longer one from metal James super flex redraft.
44:23Eight team one QB two receiver, one tight end, two flex kicker.
44:27Pick number three, thinking two running backs, then tight end, then hit receiver hard, then get Caleb or Herbert in later rounds thoughts.
44:33I've mocked this 200 plus times. Love to hear that.
44:36Seems like a good formula thoughts. Uh, this, we actually talked about this at the beginning of the show.
44:42I like this strategy quite a bit. I mean, maybe I might want to do just one running back in tight end
44:48or two running backs and no tight end than receiver hard.
44:51I might want to start receiver in round three, as opposed to waiting to round four.
44:56But this is an eight team league, which, which would say to me that you maybe have a little bit more flexibility there.
45:02Um, here's what I would say, James, I would go with your strategy that you just described here, unless Bowers is gone
45:09and it's like, you're, you're now kind of forcing an early pick of, you know, McBride.
45:13We're a little bit down on relative to last year, that sort of thing.
45:17Like I wouldn't, I wouldn't lock yourself into tight end if those elite guys are gone because other people have the same strategy.
45:24But if it's, you're comfortable with the tight end there, then yes, I think this is in an eight team league.
45:30I think this is totally fine. And in fact, pretty smart.
45:33The, the, now the only caveat I will give here is if Gibbs and Bijan go one and two, then I would
45:39be very okay with taking Jamar chase. I think Josh Allen will be in that though.
45:44Like Josh Allen's probably going to be absorbing one of those super flex.
45:48It's a super flex. You're totally right. Josh Allen will be that.
45:51That's where I'm at. Like I think, so Josh Allen will be one of those picks.
45:56B genre Gibbs will be the other one of those picks.
45:59So you're going to get B genre Gibbs. Like, but that's the way that I think it's going to play out.
46:05Super flex. So do you think Caleb and Herbert will even be available in later rounds?
46:10I think no. I, unless, unless he just knows his league and quarterbacks always fall.
46:14Yeah. I was going to say like, if you're using draft Intel metal games, like, and I know you're deep into all
46:20things like fantasy pros tools and stuff like that.
46:23Um, you probably are then depending on where those guys go.
46:26And plus the other thing that you have the, the other caveat is, is it's an eight team league.
46:31So like at not like, so saying the eight teams like pay up or the other seven teams outside of you, that's
46:3814 quarterbacks that they go really, really early saying everybody gets their top two quarterbacks super early.
46:43Okay. You still got 18 other freaking starting quarterbacks.
46:45So like, I do believe like in this format, you're probably going to see like people are going to be taking QB three early and stuff like that.
46:53And if they are, they're foolish. But with the way that this all plays out, I think, yes, you bypass quarterback at
47:00pick three, you go with B genre Gibbs, assuming that I'm guessing Josh Allen goes in one of those top two picks.
47:06If that's not the case, if Josh Allen is there at you for, for, for pick three, I'm totally fine with you
47:12going Josh Allen, but only Josh Allen at pick three.
47:15Um, if you're able to get like, yeah, like.
47:18And an 18 league, like if it's super flex wise, tell me this worm.
47:22If you can compose a super flex quarterback room with Jared golf, Tyler Shuck, Malik Willis, you happy with that?
47:28Yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm immensely happy with that. Or even like Jared golf is your floor play.
47:32Other guys are your ceiling plays of Tyler Shuck, a Malik Willis, a Bo Nix, a Jordan.
47:37You don't like him, but Kyler is an upside.
47:40Kyler. Yeah. But if you want to take the upside swing, I don't like him, but the upside is there.
47:46But this all goes back to the point of it's an 18 league.
47:49You're going to get more depth. I'm totally fine with late round quarterback.
47:53There's floor and ceiling options to mix a match and build a very, very thoughtful quarterback room.
47:58While you can also take upside shots on if we're wrong.
48:01And JJ McCarthy takes, he takes the starting job or should your Sanders beats out to Sean Watson.
48:06He wins the job. You can take Daniel Jones late.
48:09Like maybe he surprises us. And he comes off the Achilles better than anybody expects because he's younger as opposed to these
48:16old fart quarterbacks that have been coming off Achilles in previous years.
48:19So there's a lot of ways to build this, but to your point, I think you going later quarterback and crushing all
48:25these positions while other people might go quarterback is exactly the way you need to be going.
48:30Okay. Okay. Now we will go quickly through questions.
48:33Yeah. Sorry. That was a thoughtful answers, but yes, rapid fire.
48:36My bad. How are, no, no, no. It's not your fault.
48:39Uh, how are we feeling about the stock of Bo Nix with the improved wide receiver room in Denver?
48:45Very good. Jalen Waddle limping a bit at practice today.
48:48Any kind of concern? He is. Uh, and I tweeted that out.
48:51Like it's, it's concerning. I, the other thing about Bo Nix, does everybody realize over the last two years, he's been a
48:57top 12 fantasy quarterback in both years, but we never rank him like that.
49:01He's QB 14 right now. I know we, we never rank him like that.
49:05He doesn't get drafted like that, but he's, he's like Brock Purdy.
49:09I think the fact that what the Waddle trade happened in like March or was early April, whenever it was is like,
49:15it sort of lost in people's memory. I'm like that that's a big addition.
49:19Waddle's a good player. Like what's, what's the difference worm in the Patriots infusing AJ Brown into their passing attack and Jalen
49:26Waddle getting infused in the Denver Broncos passing. I mean, the difference is that AJ Brown's a better player, but Waddle's very good.
49:32Waddle's very, very good. Waddle's an, Waddle is an excellent receiver.
49:35This, this, this is a big move in the AFC.
49:38Both pass happy offenses. Like yes. Bo Nix is going to chuck the fricking ball this year.
49:43Dude. I'm so excited to see what Davis Webb does with the Broncos offense.
49:47Same man. Same. Sean Payton overseeing an offense. They've talked about being a fast paced offense too, bro.
49:52I am fascinated by Denver this year. Same. Um, all right.
49:56Another question for better call Bob. Carnell Tate or Parker Washington?
49:59Two players you love. Damn it. I would go to Parker Washington.
50:02I'm going to take just because I'm more certain about the target share.
50:06At least that's what I believe. Whereas like there could be a world where Brian Thomas Jr.
50:11Bounces back or, you know, they're this, you know, Travis Hunter gets, you know, they're just, there are these possibilities where Parker
50:17Washington isn't getting the workload we want. I don't see any world where like Calvin Ridley's usurping Carnell Tate.
50:23The only pushback to that. And I've, I've got them almost like I've got Parker wide receiver 27.
50:28I got Carnell Tate at wide receiver 29. I mean, the only pushback that I'll give you about like, and I understand
50:34like the reasoning for the wide receivers and stuff like that.
50:37The only pushback of is the quarterback play. I have much more faith in Liam Cohen and T law than I do in Cam Ward.
50:44Although I do have a lot of faith. Cam Ward can take a step.
50:48The question is how much they are going to picks apart.
50:52Not, Oh, not in amongst receivers, but literally overall ADP in our real time.
50:56I mean, that makes so much sense. They're 76 Parker, Washington, 78.
50:59Similar upside bets, man. I love both. Yeah. Question from Luttrell.
51:02Is there any world where you would draft both tight end and quarterback early?
51:06For example, you're the one or two overall. So you get Gibbs or Bijan and then Bowers falling to the end of
51:13two and taking him and Josh Allen at the two, three turn.
51:16I've done this in some mocks just to see how I like the team.
51:20I think for me, this comes down to how big the league is and how many starting receiver spots you have, because I've been saying this.
51:28I said this to you before deeper on shows.
51:30I think receiver is not as deep as people think it is deep.
51:34It is a, there is a, there are a lot of good options at receiver, but it is not as deep as its reputation would say.
51:41So I would be pretty nervous if I'm picking first or second overall, and I'm passing on a receiver to the fourth round.
51:48That means I'm not picking my first receiver until pick like 48 ish.
51:52That would make me nervous. If it's, if this is a 12 team league where you're starting three receivers each, that that's going to really bother me.
52:00But in certain formats, I think it's more okay.
52:02The smaller the league, the more okay. That, that was the exact thing I was going to lead off with.
52:08I am more, uh, on board with paying up for quarterback and onesie, like basically quarterback tight end at onesie positions in
52:14eight and 10 team leagues in 12 teamers. I'm not paying up for maybe either.
52:19And definitely not both. I like you have to pick a lane because you're going to sacrifice in a 12 teamer.
52:25You are sacrificing so much positional value by paying up for both of those.
52:29Now the caveat of that is I think that you can theoretically pay up for both quarterback and tight end by taking
52:35the last pieces of what I feel to be the elite tier this year that you can get at a discount.
52:41And the two players that I'm going to mention here are Jalen hurts and Colston Loveland.
52:46I, I would much rather draft Bowers at the two, three turn and then just take a running back or receiver really is what I would want.
52:53And, and wait on quarterback. Like if, like I would rather do tight at an early luxury tight end instead of a
53:00luxury quarterback because quarterback is so unbelievably deep. It's in a one, in a one QB format that like you will be more than fine.
53:07If you get the 15th guy off the board, whereas tight end, I think there's more of a gap between Bowers and
53:13the 15th tight end than there is between Allen and the quarterback.
53:17So I would just do the luxury tight end and wait at quarterback.
53:20Um, unless it's a really shallow league. Yeah. I don't disagree at all.
53:24A question from brute night. Just how to draft for a league with a different format, three receivers, two running backs, one
53:31quarterback, one tight end, and three flex. Ended up with JSN, AJ Brown, Waddle and Watson running backs are Hall and Scadaboo.
53:37I'm not super confident with those running backs, but I feel like having the wide receivers.
53:41I do puts a leg up in this weird format.
53:44Your guys's thoughts. Um, I love it. Love the receivers.
53:47I don't even, I don't even just like Hall.
53:50Scadaboo makes me nervous just with the injury stuff, but if they're healthy, if they're healthy, these running backs are fine paired with those receivers.
53:57I mean, good team. JSN coming off of this amazing season, AJ Brown, I think is going to bounce back in a big way.
54:04I had Jalen Waddle. I'm really excited about in Denver and Christian Watson is one of our favorite breakouts.
54:09So like, I adore the receivers. I think he did a good job.
54:13Yeah. I think this is a damn good team.
54:16No matter how we slice it. Really good job, brute.
54:19Uh, from Schmitty, uh, 14 team PPR three receiver ESPN league pick number five at the second and third round picks.
54:25I ended up liking the receivers over running backs, but then end up having to chase running backs from around four to six, which feels dirty.
54:32What do you think about this? D raw. I'm fine with, I mean, a 14 teamer is going to feel dirty no matter how you slice it.
54:40Yeah. That's a good point. Because things you never like, and just a caveat to everybody, you will never walk out of
54:46a 14 team or unless you're in a league with a bunch of digits feeling amazing about your team.
54:52That is just the fact of a 14 teamer.
54:54So you're, you're going to feel dirty about this regardless of however, I'd be very curious, uh, Schmitty, which RBs did you
55:01end up with, um, in rounds four through six?
55:03Because you can feel dirty, but it might look pretty freaking good, man.
55:07Depending. Yeah. Um, all right, let's see. Next question here.
55:10Uh, by the way, brute night says he was able to snack some upside later with Rashad white and Jonathan Brooks.
55:16You know, we love, uh, baby. So that's buzz, buzz, baby.
55:19Let's go. I love that. Um, all right. Uh, from Sally bots.
55:22What's up guys? Long time listener. First time writer.
55:25Oh, thanks for writing. Sally. What's up? Uh, have the fourth pick in a 12 team half PPR redraft keeper league.
55:31Some of the players being kept by teams in various rounds are Jameer Gibbs, Puka Nakua, Von H and Jameson Williams, camp Scadaboo, Brock Bowers, and Javante Williams.
55:39Who should I draft to the one Oh four spot?
55:42And what should my strategy be? So the hard part, Sally is what I will.
55:46So the hard part about this and keeper stuff is I don't know what the rest of it, like who's available for you at the fourth pick.
55:54That's the problem. It's like, who, who are you drafting?
55:57I don't know. I don't know who's available. Let's assume for the sake of argument that these players that she listed are the, that's the only keepers.
56:05Let's just assume, um, at least that's the ones we have available to us.
56:09So like John's not listed. Jamar chase is not listed.
56:12JSN is not listed. So those would be my first three if they're available.
56:16And then after that, I would look at Christian McCaffrey.
56:19I would look at Jonathan Taylor. I would look at James cook, James.
56:22Another name. I'd like those other two running backs better, but yes.
56:26If those, if those guys are kept, then yeah, I think James cook is reasonable.
56:30Um, I, I would ask about strategy. I would go running back here because even with the keepers, I think there's so
56:36many receivers that are going to be available that I would like receive.
56:40I just am more comfortable waiting. I mean like, like the other, the other thing, like, if you look at all these,
56:47if these are the only keepers, then there's a lot more running backs missing from the running back pool than there are wide receivers.
56:53So I agree with you as far as scarcity going running back here.
56:57Unless like chase or JSN is there, I I'm going best RB available.
57:01Like, yeah, I agree with that easily. Yeah. I'm down with it.
57:04All right. Question here from McTwist. A keeper question.
57:07Who would you keep in this scenario? 12 teams, half PPR one QB two running back to receiver one tight end with
57:13two flex defense kicker Waddle in the fifth, Tyler Warren in the seventh, Jameson Williams in the fourth, Ramondre Stevenson in the
57:20eighth, Jacoby Myers in the eighth, no draft position determining it.
57:23For me, this is either Waddle in the fifth or Warren in the seventh.
57:27And I'm probably going Warren in the seventh because it's only a two receiver format.
57:31I agree with that. Yeah. If you wanted to fight me on Waddle, I'd be okay with it.
57:36But for me, it's Tyler. I'm with it. I can't fight you on Waddle, especially with him limping around practice field right now.
57:43Yeah. Can't do that. Keep Saquon or cook in a standard league.
57:46Last year, I kept Saquon over Henry. It's a tough call.
57:50I think you got to go. I like Saquon to bounce back for sure.
57:54But I think same. It's cook. Cook has 20 touchdown upside.
57:57Easy. In redraft since running back dead zone is three to five, would it be best to go running back running back for rounds one and two?
58:05I'm so I don't I wouldn't I don't know if I'd say best, but I'm on board with it.
58:10See, and I keep pushing back about it about this year.
58:13Like all these like, oh, this guy's in the dead zone.
58:16OK. Kyron's been totally fine. I don't like everybody talks about him as a dead zone back yearly.
58:22OK. And then he keeps shoving it in everybody's face.
58:24Javante Williams is not a dead zone back. Breeze Hall was not a dead zone back.
58:29Like David Montgomery is categorized as a dead zone back.
58:32He is not a dead zone back. Basial Tootin is not a dead zone back.
58:36Like so I push back about like I think the dead zone for running back is kind of a fallacy this year
58:43where there are running backs getting pushed down the board that you don't think really categorized as a dead zone back.
58:49But to the point, like or J, like it depends on how your draft goes, man.
58:53Like I'm fine with you going running back, running back.
58:56I'm fine with you going running back wide receiver, depending on how it looks like.
59:00I'm also fine with you going wide receiver, wide receiver.
59:03But like I guess in a perfect world, like if you could start.
59:07James Cook or CMC or somebody at the back end of the first round and back that up with like an Amorian
59:13Hampton or Chase Brown or Kenneth Walker and stuff like that.
59:16Sure. Go RBRB. Totally fine with it. All right, dude.
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60:14All right. Let's see. Next question. Need your help, please.
60:17Have four keepers. Chase Brown, Jamar Chase, Teddero McMillan, Garrett Wilson, Luther Burden.
60:20Jamar Chase for sure. I would go Chase – both Chases, Jamar Chase and Chase Brown, Teddero McMillan, and then your favorite of Burden and Garrett Wilson.
60:28I'm Chase Brown, Jamar Chase, Garrett Wilson, and then to me, it would be the favorite between Tet and Burden.
60:34Dynasty rookie draft is now fourth spot. Get Lemon and Antonio Williams.
60:37Who should I target in the third round? Some options.
60:40Katron Allen, Adam Randall, Brennan Thompson. Katron Allen, Brennan Thompson.
60:43I mean, for me, I'm going with the tight ends.
60:46I love this tight end class a ton. Eli Reardon I love.
60:49Eli Reardon is out there if Oscar Delp is out there.
60:53The other guy that's deeper and he's a deep cut, but dude, I love him.
60:57Where am I going to learn to love him?
61:00Matthew Hibner, baby. I hope you're right. You love Justin Hibner.
61:03I love highly athletic tight ends, man. He's freaking good.
61:06People are going to learn. Quickly, what do we think about Bashaw Tootin?
61:09Great, great pick. Low end RB2 with top 12 upside.
61:12Love him this year. All right. Would you trade Pickens for a round one pick in 2027?
61:17Depends on where the pick is. It has to be like top five, top six.
61:21Anything less than that, I'm not giving up Pickens.
61:24Not for one, just pick. Yeah. If it's early, I would do it.
61:28But yeah. Ceiling for Luther Burden? Top 15 receiver.
61:30Whatever. First time chatter, long time user. I'll just put it up here myself.
61:34What position should I spend the most on on my $200 budget between quarterbacks, running backs, and receivers?
61:40For me, I would go running backs and receivers.
61:42Like quarterback, I would just, even with super flat.
61:45Oh, it is super flat. But it's a team, yeah.
61:48I go running backs and receivers. That's where I would put my budget.
61:51I'm fine with that. The other thing I'll say is I'll point to, if you just go on fantasypros.com and you go
61:58just type in auction, you can find the salary cap calculator.
62:01It's going to help you walk through all of this stuff as far as like what our values are on the site and stuff too.
62:08Enrico Palazzo, by the way, great name. Love the reference.
62:11My favorite comedy movie of all time. Where are we ranking Stefan Diggs?
62:15I said it yesterday and I'll say it again.
62:17He's my wide receiver 30. He's a top 36 wide receiver.
62:20He's a wide receiver three with wide receiver two upside.
62:23For me, more like wide receiver 36, but still in that wide receiver three range.
62:28Bijan or Chase with the 102 and a 14-man full PPPR.
62:31I like Chase better, but if you say Bijan, I'm totally fine with it.
62:35To me, it's a clear top three, Gibbs, Chase, and Bijan.
62:38I don't know. I've been firm and I'm still there.
62:41I think Bijan becomes the fourth running back ever with a 1K, 1K season this year.
62:45That would not shock me. He's awesome here. He's amazing.
62:48Stash Mendoza late in a super flex? Absolutely. Stash away.
62:51Stick to your rankings or worry about other guys reaching massively in the rankings.
62:55This is from Kibbles. I'll pull this up here.
62:58I think get your guys. Just get your guys.
63:00I was going to say that's exactly what you're going to say.
63:04Screw ADP. Get your guys. Follow it. Okay. Anything else here?
63:07Sorry, I'm trying to get to as many as we can.
63:10No, you're good. Let's do one last one, even though we're going over on time.
63:15Hey, guys. I don't want Metcalf or Adams on my dynasty team.
63:18What do you think I could trade them for?
63:21Also, I did a draft and had first pick.
63:23Took Chase. Was that the best move or should I pick someone like Bijan?
63:27Chase is my number one player this year. Again, if you take Gibbs or Bijan, I will not argue.
63:33All three are incredible. And Bijan's my number one.
63:35And I like Chase. D'Reilly likes Bijan. Other people might like Gibbs.
63:39They're all awesome. Don't overthink it. Just be happy to get one of them.
63:43Metcalf or Adams? Yeah. You need to trade them in season.
63:46You got to wait until in season. Then none of them are going to have sexiness.
63:50Like you wait until in season and injuries hit.
63:53You go knock on the door of those teams and you say 27 second or 28 second.
63:58Your choice. Here. Take them. Okay. This is the final question that we're getting out of here from James.
64:03Thoughts on making jumps on players round wise to say Parik, Buka, and Godwin.
64:07Brian Thomas Jr. Parker Washington. Loveland and Burden or Odunze.
64:10Mock so much. I've been able to pair groups.
64:13Thoughts. I don't worry about it personally. I'm totally fine with it.
64:16Like I think you should be investing metal James.
64:19Like this goes back to you invest in good freaking offenses.
64:22Don't shy away from it. We see this every single freaking year of one offense supporting two top 15 wide receivers, the
64:28top three tight end and an RB one or whatever.
64:31Don't shy away from it. It's splitting hairs. If you believe in the offense, this just comes back to how you're projecting the offense.
64:38You believe in it. Draft them. All right. Thank you guys so much for the questions we got.
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