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0:03Matt Hall down with a quad injury and Travis Etienne down with a hamstring injury and a wide variety of other running
0:10backs that have just been wildly disappointing. So before we dive into all of that, I did want to give a shout
0:17out to our top accuracy rankers this week. Congratulations to our number one ranker Chris Dell with the Fantasy Edge.
0:23Then at number two we had John Hesterman, Dynasty League Football.
0:26And then Sean Corner with the Action Network. And then special shout out, special Fantasy Pros shout out to Kelly Kirby who
0:33came in at six from Fantasy Pros. And you can find all the expert rankings at FantasyPros.com slash rankings.
0:39Now Fitz and Erickson, long time no see. I feel like I have not seen you guys in forever.
0:44I see Welsh every single week, but I haven't seen you guys since draft season.
0:49So Fitz, how's the how's the early season treating you?
0:52Well, we were commiserating about our Green Bay Packers before the show, Tara.
0:56So that's not going well. And rankings didn't go well either.
0:59So hopefully you're going to change the mojo for us because Erickson and I both tanked last week and we are looking for a rebound.
1:07Good luck. This is where we all bounce back.
1:10And then Erickson, how about you? You don't have our Packers woes, but you do have your own woes, right?
1:16Yes, I have my own Patriot woes. If you guys listen to the tailgate show, talk about how bad Drake May has been.
1:23The eye test also does not pass for Drake Maye.
1:26But I would say in regards to the one positive side about all these running back injuries, there's no concern about which
1:32HN you're starting this week or which HN you're talking about because neither guy's playing, especially with the one HN out for the season.
1:40So there's no question marks about which HN are you talking about?
1:43So that's the one silver lining in another week just devastated by more injuries.
1:47I mean, if you basically my entire our entire team that we drafted fits on their auction league is on IR.
1:54Dude, there's no one left. We had HN. We had Puka.
1:57I mean, all these guys just devastated by injuries.
2:00And yeah, we are staring at oh and three.
2:03And in last week, who do we? I picked up Kobe young thinking that he might be able to help out the squad.
2:10He immediately gets hurt. So again, that team is not looking like it's going to be strong finisher.
2:15Oh, yeah, is nasty one. I've turned to in our in our fantasy pros league.
2:20I turned to Keenan Allen. Hopefully it can make that work on that end because it is thinning out lost Brees Hall, lost Devon HN.
2:27It's just been a complete mess in general. But we are here to get back on track and talk about the guys
2:34that are healthy and active and they're going to give us fantasy points and make everything wonderful for us.
2:40Let's start off here talking about the top 12 in rankings starts off at the top, obviously, with our boy Jameer Gibbs.
2:46We had a great matchup against Carolina. Then we've got B.
2:50John Robinson at New Orleans, Kenneth Walker, Derek Henry.
2:52Good matchup as well. We've got nice, strong, good matchups.
2:55Christian McCaffrey, Jonathan Taylor at six. Then there's James Cook, Ashton Gentey going strong.
3:00Jeremiah Love coming up in the rankings there as well.
3:03We'll talk about him here in a second. Kyron Williams, Chase Brown, and then Jalen Warren creeping up in the top 12
3:09after the big week on a short week here at Cleveland.
3:13Perhaps a little low scoring game, but with no Rico Dowdle anticipated.
3:16Yeah, we are looking at another hefty volume week for Jalen Warren.
3:20So I totally get it. But let's talk about one player specifically from this grouping.
3:25I mentioned that it is Jeremiah Love that we didn't want to talk about coming in here at ECR ranking number eight.
3:31And we had our skepticisms this preseason with the injury and then the workload immediately, the split early with Tyler Algier getting worried.
3:38But he is coming in strong. So, Erickson, you are on par here with ECR at RB9.
3:43Fitz, you've got him a little bit lower, but still strong.
3:47Still top 12 at RB12. Erickson, talk to us about Jeremiah Love.
3:50He just completely took over the Arizona Cardinals backfield last week, going for 21 carries for 90 yards and a touchdown, caught
3:57all five of his targets for 19 yards. He scored 64% snap share.
4:01And when you include plays limited by penalties, he actually totaled 23 carries for 94 yards.
4:06So on the day, 29 total touches when you're including plays negated by penalty.
4:10He had 21 of 23 Arizona rushing attempts where Algier was completely neutralized in terms of what his role in his backfield was.
4:17So he did play a lot of snaps, but that was because of third down pass protection.
4:22Love has kind of checked off all the boxes in terms of he's getting short yardage opportunities.
4:27He converted a third one, converted a third and four.
4:30So he has not been necessarily been taking out at the goal line at certain times.
4:35The Algier can still kind of be an annoyance there, but I still think that love has the three down skill set.
4:42So regardless, however, this game goes against the New York Giants on the road, whether they're trailing, whether they're winning, Jeremy Love
4:49is going to be out there and he's going to be the more efficient back compared to Tyler Algier.
4:54Algier's role has shrunk in two straight games. You're seeing his carries go down week by week, whereas Love's is going up by week.
5:02You just look at rushing success rate. Love is at 44%, 3.9 yards per carry.
5:06Tyler Algier is at 29% at 2.9 yards per carry.
5:09And I know they asked the question, this is from the Coach Speak Index, they asked the floor if they expect Love
5:16to kind of continue on this increased workload. And he said, we'll do what we think is necessary each week.
5:22So he did kind of leave the door open to like, well, maybe we can go back to Tyler's year.
5:28But it's like, maybe you don't because like your rookie is really, really good and he's way better than the veteran.
5:34So why don't you continue to feed him, especially in a good match up here against the New York Giants?
5:41So that's why I have my Army nine top 10 running back.
5:44Yeah. And in general, you know, the Cardinals, we knew this was tough sledding coming in because of the schedule.
5:50But overall, you know, just from, you know, visually and statistically as well, they've been competing and they look good.
5:56So perhaps they've got it in their mind that, you know, hey, this doesn't need to be a tank season.
6:02We have options and maybe we want to push forward, get morale going.
6:06And it's been against difficult matchups. Again, we had the L.A.
6:10Chargers in Seattle, San Francisco. So to see this ramp up over a pretty tough defensive stretch and now we get into
6:16an easier little time period here after this, we get the Lions.
6:20So, yeah, this is really positive. How are you feeling in terms of confidence level fits about Jeremiah Love?
6:26Pretty good. Like, I have no real beef with this ranking.
6:29Love is terrific. And it did feel like week three was a full unveiling of him after he played 42.7% and 40%
6:36of the Cardinals offensive snaps the first two games, probably because he was still recovering from that high ankle sprain.
6:42He sustained in Arizona's first preseason game. But, yeah, even in those first two games with the limited work, the Cardinals were
6:49pretty eager to get the ball in his hands.
6:51In those first two games, he got a carry or a target on 52 point just 52% of his snaps.
6:57And then last week with the bigger snap share, 21 carries, 90 yards, five catches.
7:02We love seeing the five catches. So, yeah, I don't think the Giants are quite as juicy a matchup in the running game as they were last year.
7:10They've held two of their first three opponents to 81 or fewer rushing yards.
7:15But in the other game, they did get trampled by the Rams, mostly because their offense couldn't pick up a first down.
7:21But, I mean, Love could absolutely smash this week.
7:24Like, he is the real deal. Very talented. And now he's got the role befitting his talent.
7:29That's true. And great point about the matchup as well.
7:32They are suffering some defensive injuries over there, unfortunately, for the Giants.
7:36So perhaps it'll help let up a little bit moving forward here.
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8:14All right, let's dive into our next grouping. We're going to do running backs 13 through 14.
8:19Leading off at 13, we've got Saquon Barkley against the LA Rams.
8:22Chuba Hubbard against Detroit. DeAndre Swift in the... We'll see.
8:25Is Case Keenum going to keep his job this week after the pretty spectacular Monday night performance here?
8:31And we have the Jets coming up this week.
8:34Then Javante Williams, difficult matchup at Houston. Aaron Jones at Miami.
8:37Bachel Tootin at Cincinnati. Defense came apart last week.
8:40Cam Scadaboo versus Arizona. Bucky Irving and versus the sad Green Bay Packers that Pat and I are just in shambles about.
8:46Then we've got David Montgomery coming in at 21.
8:49Braylon Allen creeping up here in the rankings. Going to be taking over hopefully a hefty workload.
8:54Not the most ideal matchup in the world against Chicago, but they have been vulnerable against the run.
9:00So this could be a very interesting spot. So I like to see him in the top 24 right off the bat from Rinkers.
9:07Then Amari and Hampton at 23 and Quinshawn Judkins holding on strong here at 24.
9:12Getting that priority as a lead back again that Thursday night football game against Pittsburgh.
9:16All right, let's pull out several names. Let's start off right here at the top of this grouping talking about Saquon Barkley.
9:23ECR RB 13 Erickson a little bit higher. Nice with RB 10 and then fits RB 13 fits you're right on par with ECR.
9:30So talk to us about Saquon Barkley. Yeah, I actually moved him back a spot to RB 14.
9:35I moved Aaron Jones ahead of him today like the Eagles offense just it hasn't really looked that much better under new offensive coordinator Sean Mannion.
9:43Then the Eagles offense that struggled so badly with Kevin Patillo as the OC last year.
9:48Eagles are 17th in offensive DVOA 14th in yards per play and they've played the commanders Titans and Bears not exactly a murderers row of defenses.
9:56So although in fairness the commanders run defense has been really good, but Saquon doesn't have a touchdown this season.
10:02Although he did miss a sizable portion of the Titans game with a stinger.
10:06He hasn't been very involved in the passing game one catch in each of his first three games.
10:12His three receptions have netted him six yards and the Eagles offensive line just not the top drawer unit that it was only a couple of years ago.
10:20The Rams not an easy matchup. They've allowed the fifth fewest fantasy points to running backs.
10:25I mean, this is a gentle fade for me being one spot behind ECR.
10:30You're still starting Saquon if you have him, but it's been not that great if you've been a Saquon investor so far.
10:36Yeah, it's funny. You get the worry from people saying, OK, is this the point at which Saquon is cooked?
10:42And quite frankly, he's been over five yards per carry in both of his two full games.
10:47So from his perspective, it's not as if he's underperforming.
10:50But as you mentioned, this Eagles offense, it's just up and down and underwhelming.
10:55They've been prior to that Monday night game. They were winning like just by a thread against subpar competition.
11:00So not shocked that they could not come through against Chicago.
11:04Very interesting to see how they can try to progress in the offense moving forward.
11:08Erickson, you're a little bit higher this week. More optimism in this matchup.
11:12Yeah, because I think and Fitz alluded to this and so did you that it's really more like the environmental factors that are kind of hurting Saquon.
11:21He himself like hasn't looked bad. Like obviously he missed a lot of week two.
11:25So you kind of have to throw that out.
11:28But in his last game against the Bears, like that's when he ripped off the most explosive runs, 15 carries for 82 yards on the day.
11:36And then he got game scripted out, right? We're in the second half.
11:40They really couldn't lean on Saquon, but he gets the full workload.
11:4372% snap share. They don't try. I mean, tank bigs me every single time he touches the ball.
11:49He just makes a mistake. It seems like so.
11:51He fumbled his one target and catch play 4% of the snaps will shiply played 26%.
11:56So there is no. Outstanding effects from the stinger ranger that he suffered in a week two because it seemed like they were going right back to him.
12:05So the past game usage obviously leaves a lot to be desired, but this was something that was interesting from next gen stat.
12:12So Barkley's recorded an average speed of 11 miles per hour and crossing the line of scrimmage of the season.
12:18That's the second fastest mark among 36 running backs with at least 25 carries trailing only Jacksonville Jaguars running back Bayshel Tootin.
12:25So clearly the juice is still a little bit there with Saquon Barkley.
12:29It's just a matter of the offensive line, not necessarily creating enough holes for him.
12:33And if you look at the Rams specifically six lowest stuff rate so far this season, and they've been doing when have
12:40when Saquon Barkley's has ripped off these explosive runs, it's mostly been on outside zone concepts, according to next gen stats.
12:46And I think that's an opportunity where they can potentially take advantage of the Rams defense.
12:51The Rams defense has contacted opposing running backs behind line of scrimmage on just 32% of the carries.
12:56That's the seventh lowest rate in the NFL. So if there is an opportunity for the offensive line to create some more
13:03opportunities for Saquon, he is showing that he can still hit the hole really fast and rip off some big plays.
13:09And I just think when you look at this Eagles offense as a whole, he's like the one thing, the one kind
13:16of bright spot that is kind of working somewhat.
13:19And it's the rest of the team that's kind of letting him down.
13:23So that's why I have him right as a low end fantasy RB one, just because he's going to get a lot of touches.
13:30And if the Eagles can at least keep this game close with the Los Angeles Rams, then he's going to be heavily
13:37involved in eventually he's going to find the end zone, right?
13:40He is too talented, too involved in the Eagles offense overall to go without scoring for so many, so many weeks.
13:47Let's talk about someone who also has potentially another matchup issue.
13:50Devontae Williams, ECR, RB 16. Erickson, you've got him at RB 16 and Fitcher at RB 18.
13:55Matchup against the Houston Texans, a defense who has traditionally been strong against the run and they've had their ups and downs.
14:02But one thing that has not been up and down is the strength that they have had against the running backs.
14:08Running back groups against the Houston Texans have not, unfortunately, exceeded 100 yards total yet.
14:13They're still first in fantasy points, least fantasy points allowed to running backs.
14:17So they're holding strong despite the offense hanging them out to dry, unfortunately there.
14:21So, Fitz, when we look at Devontae Williams, is there is there a little bit of reason to be skeptical about him this week or worried?
14:29I think there is, Tara, and you mentioned it.
14:31It's matchup, first of all. Texans are giving up 10.3 fantasy points per game to running backs, second fewest in the league, only behind the commanders.
14:39They're giving up 3.6 yards per carry to running backs.
14:42And Devontae hasn't been terribly efficient to begin with.
14:45He's averaging 3.9 yards per carry. He's slightly underwater in expected points added per carry.
14:50Negative number there. I mean, we can just lean into the volume.
14:53Devontae has had 17, 15 and 21 touches in his first three games.
14:57And he's 12th in PPR fantasy points per game.
15:009th in expected fantasy points per game. I just don't expect him to be real efficient in this matchup, which is why
15:07I see him as more of a mid-range running back 2 than sort of a low-end RB1 or high-end RB2.
15:13Yeah, safe floor, probably not the best ceiling in the world this week.
15:17Erickson, what are your thoughts around Devontae Williams? Yeah, I was lower on Devontae last week for concerns about his lack of
15:23rushing efficiency through the first two weeks of the season.
15:26And then, of course, the Ravens have Matabuke back.
15:29They have their starting linebacker back. And then, of course, Devontae Williams basically has 100-yard rushing yards for the first time ever.
15:36So go figure. The healthiest Ravens defense doesn't stop juggernaut Devontae Williams.
15:39So agreed the matchup is tough on paper against the Houston Texans.
15:43He's 5th, fewest rushing yards allowed per game this season, 4th, fewest yards per carry.
15:48And we just look at him matched up against these other running backs in this tier that you listed out.
15:54A lot of them are just much better spots, right?
15:57Guys that are projected to be bell cows and just against softer defenses.
16:01So I think by default you just move those guys slightly ahead of Devontae.
16:05But if Devontae scores two touchdowns because the Dallas Cowboys moved the ball against a Texans defense that is really good but
16:12has not been the same unit that it was last year where it was suffocating and winning games on its own.
16:18Well, then you're finding an opportunity where Devontae can still deliver potentially a fantasy RB1 if he finds the end zone twice.
16:25Because he's so clearly their red zone running back.
16:27He had a lot of opportunities even last week.
16:30He got stuff at the one yard line and still ended up scoring a different touchdown.
16:35So he has multi-touchdown upside regardless of whatever matchup he is in.
16:39And just no one else is really threatening his workload.
16:42Like last week, D. McCarley didn't even play. They've been Tyler.
16:45I mean, Tyler Goodson was out. I was like, who's this guy?
16:49Who's Goodson? Like I'm watching the Brazilian game. Like, who is that?
16:52Is that Tyler Goodson? So they're still trying to figure out like who the RB2 is even behind Devontae because he's so clearly the workhorse in this backfield.
17:0176% snap share, 19 carries last week. So it's also ironic too if it's how we were talking about Devontae last week.
17:07He's like, hey man, like, well, the receiving has been like a lot better this year.
17:12And then he goes out, has his best rushing game and then has negative five receiving yards.
17:17That is hilarious. I mean, I think you nailed it really with the fact that Devontae is he's still in.
17:24It's a terrible matchup, but he's still in that range of this is an unquestioned workhorse running back.
17:29And then after that, you know, you get into the guys who have questionable team situations with shaky quarterbacks like a Cam Scadaboo, despite a great matchup.
17:37You know, what's the split there with a basial tootin?
17:40How much are we trusting this next guy that we're going to talk about here, Braylon Allen, who is presumably stepping into
17:47a pretty hefty workload there and in New York.
17:50And it's an interesting matchup we've got against Chicago.
17:52We mentioned that, you know, Saquon Barkley against them was not really dreadful, just didn't get the touchdown.
17:58So I think there's opportunity here. So I was happy to see that we're not being too apprehensive because the people the
18:05people want to know how how comfortable should we be starting Braylon Allen this week?
18:09ECR has him at RB 22 fits your RB 21 Erickson.
18:12You're at RB 23. So we're splitting the difference on that one.
18:16Erickson, I mean, we're right around it. So there's obviously no massive concerns here.
18:20But how much are you trusting Braylon Allen this week?
18:23Moderately optimistic, I say, with Braylon Allen. I think that we're probably going to get more Isaiah Davis than anybody would care to admit.
18:31But that may not matter because I think that what Braylon Allen has done through the first three weeks of the season,
18:37he is showcased to the Jets coaching staff that he could handle a three down workload, because if you look at in
18:44week one, he had an explosive run for a touchdown that was called back due to a penalty.
18:49But still, he showcased, hey, I can create big plays even as a big bruising running back.
18:55I can still be explosive in the run game, especially when it's a favorable matchup like you have here against the Chicago Bears.
19:02Then in week two, it was goal line usage.
19:04So they're also trusting him in the red zone, even when Brees Hall has been active in the lineup.
19:10Braylon Allen is still a player that they lean on a lot in the red zone at times.
19:16And then in week three, I think that he was actually kind of under the radar impressive as a receiver, right?
19:22He's still getting targets. So when you include plays negated by penalties, he actually had four targets last week.
19:28So through three weeks, we've seen explosiveness. We've seen red zone usage and we've seen receiving.
19:33You throw in that he's also 22nd in rushing success rate on the season.
19:37Like we're packaging up together like a really strong RB to play when you consider the fact that it's also the positive matchup against the Chicago Bears.
19:45So the thing is, the only question mark I have is just how more involved Isaiah Davis is going to be.
19:51He hasn't played an offensive snap so far this season.
19:54So that definitely bodes well for railing out. And the fact that Allen has been splitting time with a stud like Brees
20:01Hall again under a new office of coaching staff is also positive for his outlook in 2000 or excuse me in week four.
20:08So yeah, I think that if you picked him up this week, I think that he is a solid start.
20:14And I tell you, if coach speak would meant anything, I mean, we had the entire off season in multiple years of
20:21Aaron Glenn telling us, you know, yeah, Braylon Allen, Braylon Allen.
20:24So now it is time for Braylon Allen to step up and put up.
20:28Pat, how comfortable are you with Braylon Allen this week?
20:31Pretty comfortable. And I think Erickson hit it. The real question is the extent to which the Jets mix in Isaiah Davis.
20:38And we'd even heard some speculation over the summer that possibly Isaiah Davis could pass Braylon Allen on the depth chart to become the number two.
20:46There was talk from Aaron Glenn about how this might be a three headed backfield.
20:51But through three games, no offensive snaps for Isaiah Davis, just a special teamer.
20:55That's going to change this week. He's going to play some sort of role in support, but presumably Allen is going to
21:01be the lead guy and it could be lead guy by a wide margin.
21:06So matchup looks pretty good. Bears haven't been quite the defensive pushover.
21:09I'm sure people expected them to be the hell.
21:12The Eagles to seven points on Monday night. But, you know, people here in Chicago are talking about them like they are
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21:22Not really. I mean, this is still not a good defense.
21:25The Bears ranked 28th in DVOA against the run.
21:28They're giving up 4.8 yards per carry to running backs.
21:31This is a really nice matchup for Braylon Allen.
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22:06Let's jump back to RB17 and ECR and talk about Aaron Jones.
22:09There's a little separation between you two in rankings.
22:12Fitz, you're a little more in this week on Aaron Jones, our former Packer there at RB14.
22:17And then Erickson, you've got him at RB18. It's interesting because this is yet again is someone who has a massive workload.
22:24We did get the addition of a new running back, but probably not someone that is going to make a big impact.
22:30So this is Aaron Jones' backfield for the time being.
22:33And so we're getting hefty volume and hefty usage.
22:36Fitz, what is making you lean a little bit more into Aaron Jones this week?
22:41Yeah. And I can't wait to hear why Erickson hates him because I actually moved Aaron Jones up to RB13 this morning.
22:47I'm not too worried about the arrival of former Jayhawk Devin Neal, because in the two games that Jordan Mason has missed
22:54while on IR with a fractured thumb, Aaron Jones has averaged 20 carries, 81 and a half rushing yards.
23:00Didn't have a catch in the first two of those games, but last week against the Bucs, five catches for 34 yards.
23:07That was encouraging. I don't know if Jones can continue to survive this kind of workload in his thirties.
23:12He's been an obvious pain a couple of times, but he's played about 80% of the offensive snaps each of the last
23:19two weeks and just getting this huge share of the rushing load.
23:23I guess what I like here most Tara is that the Vikings are 11 and a half point home favorites against the lowly Dolphins.
23:30Miami is giving up a league high 30.3 fantasy points per game to running backs.
23:34They've given up seven TDs to running backs in three games, including four TD catches.
23:39It's just such a good setup for Jones. I mean, maybe he gets a well-deserved rest late in the game if the
23:46Vikings are up big, but if the Vikings are up big, you would imagine that Aaron Jones probably would have shared in the spoils of the big lead.
23:54Yeah, I think that makes complete sense. If we get into the scenario where there is a blowout, we see the other backs.
24:01They are finally forced to put them on the field to actually have carries and not just alleviate and give a little
24:08bit of rest there because Aaron Jones has been playing 80% or more of snaps.
24:12And you mentioned the increase in checkdowns, you know, perhaps the transition to Kyler Murray, perhaps Kyler Murray is a benefit for Aaron Jones.
24:20The checkdowns there makes sense for him and what we have typically seen from him.
24:24So yeah, I can get on board with moving him up in this great matchup.
24:29Now, Erickson, you got to talk to us. You're not believing in Aaron Jones.
24:33I get it. The hefty workload. He is aged.
24:36And he was coming off a season last year where efficiency and every single metric was down, down, down.
24:42Yeah, I think that Fitz hit on this too, where how long can he survive with this type of workload?
24:48So that is something that I am trying to keep in the back of my mind because entering last week, we didn't
24:54even know if Aaron Jones was going to be 100% to play because he suffered a knee injury in his first game
25:01with a massive workload, but then comes back, has another massive workload.
25:05And then we see the uptick in the receiving usage, which was non-existent in Carson Wentz last start against the Chicago Bears.
25:11So I have nothing to push back against that.
25:14I think that it is very possible that you do see his overall touches and snaps reduce just because they don't want
25:21to necessarily destroy Aaron Jones and what he has left for the offense for the rest of the season.
25:26But if that's the case, then I'm definitely going to be too low on Aaron Jones, specifically in this matchup where he
25:33could definitely make his bacon, make his hay with just touchdowns because that's what the Dolphins have really given up because of their defense just being bad overall.
25:42But I will point out like they're giving up the same yards per carry as a Houston Texans defense, which we all
25:48view it as a really tough matchup for opposing running backs.
25:52So they are specifically so much worse through the air than against the ground game.
25:56And I think Kevin O'Connell is going to know that because they're 32nd and pass EPA, 11th and rush EPA allowed this season.
26:03So they're top 12 defense in terms of stopping actual running attempts because teams look at big dude.
26:09Rushy Rice had so much separation last week. There was nobody around like guys are just running absolutely wild against this Miami Dolphins secondary.
26:16And I think if I'm Kevin O'Connell, how do you build the confidence of Kyler Murray?
26:21It's like, dude, just let this guy have a really productive game against a terrible secondary.
26:26And this way you don't need to overload Aaron Jones because we can just beat them with Kyler's arm.
26:31We don't even need Justin Jefferson potentially to just beat this Miami Dolphins defense specifically in the secondary.
26:37So again, this is not painting a picture of Aaron Jones, the terrible start this week.
26:42I'm just looking at it from a different angle in terms of how do the Minnesota Vikings attack this specific defense?
26:48Maybe it doesn't come in the form of a massive Aaron Jones game.
26:52Again, same yards per carry allowed as Houston Texans.
26:55And Jacob Rodriguez, dude, dude's a stud, man. That linebacker, dude, he is so fun to watch.
27:00And he's like, I mean, the Miami Dolphins again, Chris Bell, Jacob Rodriguez.
27:04They got a couple of steals in this draft.
27:07So future outlook for them. Not obviously this year, not great, but 2027 and beyond optimistic for Alfredo Brown and the other Dolphins fans out there.
27:15Third highest stuff right in the NFL Dolphins defense.
27:17Third lowest rushing yards allowed before contact in the NFL.
27:20So that's my only pushback with Aaron Jones. Still a very strong RB two star, in my opinion, but I'm not sure
27:27I'm going to get there with RB one unless he does score multiple touchdowns.
27:31I mean, he's breaking out the sombrero then. Excellent argument, though.
27:35Bringing out the rushing defensive stats there because it's easy to look at Miami and think layup.
27:40But there are parts that they are certainly better at and weaker against.
27:44You mentioned the Rasheed Rice separation when they're when he's separating that that is an indication of just how bad the secondary might be.
27:51Let's go to another running back that you guys are on opposite ends.
27:55But I'm ready to hear the argument on this one because it's a Murray and Hampton.
28:00And as I was doing my rankings and I was just moving him back, back, back.
28:05I was wondering, like, just how far is too far?
28:08Where's the overreaction line from us? Because it has been destitute for the Chargers and getting scary in terms of snap count
28:14and usage for a Murray and Hampton. So we do have to react.
28:18But just how much? And looking at ECR, the vast majority of us are reacting.
28:23He is RB 23. Erickson, you're reacting a little bit more.
28:26I like being a little bit more proactive on this.
28:29You've got him at RB 26. Fitz, you're just right above ECR at RB 23.
28:34So, you know, Erickson, talk to us about the concerns about Murray and Hampton.
28:38This might be the worst matchup that Murray and Hampton could draw in week four among all starting running backs, if he
28:45is even viewed as a starting running back anymore on his team.
28:48The coaching staff on the Chargers has talked a lot about changing things up because it's been so bad through the first three weeks of the season.
28:57And I think we saw a little bit of that in week three when we saw the most of Keaton Mitchell that we've seen all season.
29:04And when you look at the Seattle Seahawks defense, they lead the league this year with a 30% rushing success rate allowed,
29:11which is the best mark in a season since 2017.
29:14Including the playoffs, no running back has hit 60 rushing yards or scored a rushing touchdown against Seattle in their last eight games.
29:21If Ormary and Hampton does not score a touchdown, he's going to be a bust in your lineup because the guy has zero pass game usage whatsoever.
29:29And that is one of the only ways you can actually attack the Seahawks defense is through running backs in the passing game.
29:36Alec Ingold, the fullback for the Chargers, has more targets than Omer and Hampton does this season.
29:41It is so glaring how they're not using Hampton at all as a pass catcher when he was used heavily in that
29:48fashion at the college level and last year as a rookie.
29:51Like he was top 10 in terms of receptions and targets per game among running backs, which is why we were excited
29:58about Romain and Hampton in this Mike McDaniel offense that always featured running backs in the past game.
30:04But that has not been the case nearly whatsoever.
30:06So he's getting carries, got double digit carries, I think all three games, 15 carries, 56 yards last week.
30:12But again, one target, one catch, season low snapshot at 42%.
30:15He is, in my opinion, is like a desperation flex play.
30:19And you're just hoping that he scores a touchdown.
30:21But based on what Seattle's defense has done, especially, I cannot imagine being the offense as to face Seattle after they just lost to the Washington Commanders.
30:30Like on the road, dude, this is a terrible, terrible spot for Hampton.
30:34And honestly, like I'm an RB 26, so he's outside my top 24.
30:38When people ask me like, are you in Hampton or X player?
30:41It's going to probably be X player. Like he's a desperation flex for me.
30:45Yeah, it's tough to make the argument unless we see a miraculous and dramatic turnaround for this offense because you can't argue.
30:52You can make the argument with Anaryon Jones. OK, that's great.
30:55We've got a great matchup. We've got volume. But you just can't make any of those arguments, unfortunately, for Amarion Hampton.
31:02Fitz, you're just one ahead of ECR. But obviously, we've just moved him further back.
31:06So talk to us about Amarion Hampton. I guess your hope is that he has 50 carries and is currently tied for
31:1311th in rushing attempts and has scored a touchdown each of the last two weeks.
31:18But like Erickson said, it probably is touchdown or bust.
31:21Just the usage or non-usage in the passing game has been so disappointing.
31:25Like what, two carries and three targets so far.
31:27And this is a guy who had 32 catches in only nine games as a rookie.
31:32And he was a good pass catcher at the University of North Carolina.
31:36It's just it's disappointing that Hampton has been so one-dimensional thus far.
31:40Because when Mike McDaniel was in Miami, he really unleashed Devon A.
31:43Chan as a pass catching weapon. Certainly, Hampton is not the same type of running back.
31:48Doesn't have the sort of speed that A. Chan brings to the table.
31:52But, man, like you would think he would have some utility as a pass catcher and that would give him multiple outs in fantasy.
32:00So far, he's just a one-trick pony. I would maybe be less concerned if it was just Keaton Mitchell.
32:05And we've got this two-way split. But it feels like because they're struggling offensively, they're trying to throw anything at the wall
32:12and seeing if it's going to stick. The fact that we had Kamani Vidal, who I like, no insult to him, but
32:19we thought of that more as the, okay, that's the direct handcuff.
32:22He's the one that'll come in and be the more of the continuation of the bruising and short yardage and early down.
32:29And we'll have Keaton Mitchell doing the change of pace work still.
32:33But the fact that they were working in Kamani Vidal on third downs as well is just very peculiar in terms of
32:39we can't 100% predict where they are trying to go because it feels like they're trying to do anything to figure out
32:46just how can we make this work. But he is still in that somewhat startable range or in the flex territory.
32:52We're going to move on to the sketchier territory of RB25 through 36, the scary zone.
32:57Starting that off, we have Ja'Kory Krosky-Merritt in a somewhat friendly matchup against an Indianapolis defense that has been struggling.
33:03We're expecting points in this matchup back and forth.
33:06Marcus Berriota holding things down, getting the big win against Seattle.
33:09Then we've got Ramondre Stevenson in the dreadful split followed up by Travion Henderson back-to-back at 26 and 27 at Buffalo.
33:16Then we've got Tony Pollard, J.K. Dobbins at San Francisco, Jadarian Price, R.J.
33:20Harvey, Kyle Menungai. You start to get into this range of the one-two punch, the two guys.
33:25So we've got Kyle Menungai at 32, then Blake Corum, Woody Marks, Oli Gordon creeping in here, and Alvin Kamara.
33:31Of course, you guys already know who we're going to talk about.
33:35Spoiler alert, Oli Gordon will be in here. But before we get to that, let's start off a little bit higher in this range.
33:42And we're going to touch on the dreaded New England backfield with Travion Henderson, who I thought we were turning a corner.
33:49We got the Ramondre Stevenson fumble. We saw Travion Henderson break off the big run.
33:53And I thought, oh, here we go. We can trust it.
33:56And I felt positive heading into week three. And lo and behold, we just got more of the continuation of everything.
34:03So he is sitting at RB27. Fitch, you're on par with ECR at RB27 and Erickson.
34:08You got him a little bit lower at RB31.
34:10Fitch, talk to us about Travion Henderson. We will get a million starts at questions involving Patriot running backs this week.
34:17And people will say, should I start Travion Henderson or Ramondre Stevenson?
34:20And what can we do but throw up our hands in the air because we don't know how the split's going to work out?
34:28Henderson played 60% of the Patriots offensive snaps against the Steelers in week two, quite possibly because Ramondre Stevenson lost a fumble on New England's first drive.
34:36So Henderson played quite a bit after that. Then in week three, Henderson played 36.5% of the offensive snaps against the Jaguars.
34:43It was more of a Ramondre Stevenson day. So the bill's not really a problematic matchup.
34:47Like you can run on the bills, as has been the case for the last couple of years.
34:53But with Ramondre Stevenson around it, it's just a matter of whether you get a big play or two from Travion Henderson.
35:00And if you get it, you're probably going to be happy with the result.
35:04And if he doesn't pop a long one, you probably will not be.
35:08Yeah, yeah. Erickson, how about you? You're a little bit further back here.
35:12I mean, because it's so risky what you're actually going to get out of this Patriots backfield.
35:17Yeah, Henderson feels like a player that you kind of have to just start every single week.
35:22Because if you're trying to pinpoint, oh, well, he's going to have a big game this week or rip off a big
35:29play this week and then not do it the next week.
35:32Like you're just going to be pulling your hair out trying to figure out.
35:36You just got to kind of take the lumps in a similar like Jameson Williams type of fashion where this guy's boom or bust.
35:44We don't know the usage, which is why I have him ranked a little bit lower.
35:48Just because I'm just a little bit less optimistic about the Patriots offense just going on the road here against Buffalo.
35:55But if you're trying to spin the optimistic side for Henderson, well, what if Ramondre does fumble again?
36:00Then sick. Like Henderson is like locked and loaded, like ready to go.
36:04And the Patriots need a spark, man, like offensively.
36:07And Henderson is that guy. So eight carries for 23 yards last week.
36:11He did have one target in the passing game for six yards, no touchdowns.
36:15But you know that he can score from anywhere on the field.
36:19And if the Patriots need to get your egg may some solid completions, maybe you just involve more of your running backs in the passing game.
36:27So I'm talking about Henderson right now being the lowest on him first ECR and fits.
36:32But I'm almost talking myself into just got to plug your nose.
36:35Just put them in your flex spot. I mean him versus O'Meara and Hampton.
36:39Like who actually like what's more like is like scoring touchdowns this week or Henderson ripping off a big play because the
36:46Patriots are down by 21 points and have to throw through our throw.
36:50And Henderson's out there. So that's kind of how I'm looking at Henderson.
36:54It's a boomer bus play. He didn't basically do anything in the second half of that Patriots game.
36:59All of his touches essentially were in the first half.
37:02So even though he was out snapped, a lot of that had to do with Stevenson and pass protection in the second half of the game.
37:10And it is worth noting the last time he faced the Buffalo Bills monster game for Trayvon Henderson.
37:16I don't remember exactly if Stevenson played in that game or not.
37:19But still, there's a proof of concept from this office of staff, although it is a different defense for the Buffalo Bills under Jim Leonard versus Sean McDermott.
37:28But they have it on film. Like when we fed Henderson against the Bills defense, good things happened.
37:33So maybe that is a lean of, OK, how do we get a spark going here?
37:38So, man, I don't I don't like this, guys, that I'm convincing myself that Henderson might be like a decent flex play.
37:45Just like fingers crossed that he rips off a big one.
37:48All right. Well, convince me because I have a dynasty team that starts three running backs, which is disgusting.
37:54Right. And I have to make the choice between Trayvon Henderson and Jadarian Price.
37:58And I currently have Trayvon Henderson in there. And I think I'm sticking with it on the same concept that you were
38:05talking about of like, hey, which one of these guys could pop off and have a boom game?
38:10And maybe there's a Ramondre Stevens and fumble and I'm in bliss.
38:14Should I stick with Trayvon Henderson? Yeah, I think I would do Trayvon Henderson.
38:18Then then Jadarian Price, who I mean, the guy's fumbling every what?
38:22Every 60 pitches or something like pretty, pretty lit.
38:25You think Ramondre's fumble rate is bad? But Jadarian Price is like, hold my beer, dude.
38:30Like, I'm going to put the ball on the ground even more often.
38:34And to another point, too, just as I'm thinking about this, right, we couldn't be so confident last week in Jeremiah Love
38:40because of the splits up to that point. Yeah.
38:43And then what happened? They just decided, hey, you know, we're just going to use more Love more this week.
38:49And then he had a monster performance and he was a ceiling play.
38:53And I was kicking myself because someone was asking me a question about which of these has the highest ceiling between flex players.
39:00And he listed off a bunch of players. Love was one of the options that I was considering.
39:05But ultimately, I went away from it because I was like, well, he's still in a committee with Algier.
39:11So I didn't think he had the highest ceiling.
39:14But what if Henderson does get the work this week?
39:17OK, you could see where he does have a path to absolutely smashing.
39:21So, man, I got to I got to move him up.
39:24Oh, no, this is bad. Yeah, there we go.
39:27We're making changes in rankings live. Perfect. Maybe there will be some changes on this one because you guys are very far apart on this.
39:35And this is a player that I think is oddly enough for as strange as it is.
39:40I mean, it's the Denver team. Right. And they are polarizing when it comes to rankings because of the factor of who
39:46is going to do what on a weekly basis.
39:49So, of course, we are talking about J.K. Dobbins.
39:52You know, what type of upside does he really have?
39:55So at ECR, he is ranked RB 19. Erickson, you were on the positive in at RB 25.
40:00Fitz, you were on the skeptical side at RB 32.
40:03Fitz, talk us out of J.K. Dobbins. A mistake that we don't want to make.
40:08Yeah, I mean, normally the case with J.K. Dobbins is good when healthy.
40:12He's healthy. Has not been good so far. 3.5 yards per carry.
40:16Has 121 rushing yards and minus 22.6 rushing yards over expected.
40:19Dobbins played four fewer snaps than R.J. Harvey last week.
40:22And Tyler Bidet is in the mix, too. And as usual, Dobbins has been a complete zero in the passing game.
40:28Had his first reception of the season last week.
40:31It went for four yards. Yeah, there's not a ton of upside there in terms of you're just looking and hoping.
40:37Can we get the touchdown? And thus far, unfortunately, we're not getting the touchdowns.
40:42Maybe a slightly, you know, typically a difficult matchup against San Francisco.
40:45But, you know, they're dealing with the injuries. So maybe there's some leeway there.
40:50Erickson, why are you a little bit higher on Dobbins then this week?
40:5349ers defensive line is buns. Because it's been completely decimated by injuries.
40:57And that played a big part, I think, in why we saw this Jeremiah Love explosion against San Francisco 49ers.
41:03Because they just don't have any more bodies left on their defensive line.
41:07Like, they've put so many guys on injured reserve.
41:10They couldn't even put Nick Bosa on injured reserve.
41:13Because they haven't enough space to put another player.
41:15So, still, they still have Fred Warner, though. So, like, you can only, like, downgrade their run defense so much.
41:21Because Fred Warner is such, I mean, he's arguably the best linebacker in all of football.
41:26So, I don't think the 49ers are ever viewed as a, oh, this is like a smash spot for an opposing running back.
41:33And, yeah, Dobbins has not been good. If you look at his rushing success rate, he is third worst among qualified rushers.
41:40Really bad at the red zone, too. He has five goal line carries in the last two weeks, but zero touchdowns.
41:46I guess I'm just betting a little bit on some touchdown regression happening.
41:50Where he does actually find the end zone. Because that's ultimately what you need to get out of J.K.
41:56Dobbins. So, as we talked about Henderson as a boomer bus type of pick.
42:00Dobbins also feels pretty boomer bus with not as much excitement about his potential ceiling.
42:05Because he hasn't been good as a rusher. He doesn't get involved in the passing game.
42:10And if the Broncos fall behind, I think that's probably the biggest concern here.
42:14Against a really high-powered 49ers death star offense. Where, you know, Dobbins is totally neutralized from the game script.
42:20At that point, because he doesn't catch any passes.
42:22So, still 17 carries last week with 49 yards.
42:25That's why fringe Irby two play. He's really in a tier where I start to feel uncomfortable with some of these running backs.
42:32But just betting on, okay, I think maybe he can find the end zone this week.
42:37Yeah, at least volume. And you mentioned it, the injuries that they're dealing with.
42:41Unfortunately, the substation remains undefeated. So, hopefully, we do not get any more 49ers injuries this week.
42:46Cross our fingers on that one. We do not need it, people.
42:50All right, we will give one more running back in this range.
42:54Now, we talked about Braylon Allen earlier. So, we're doing Ollie Gordon.
42:57Because, obviously, the people want to know. They added these guys on waiver wires.
43:02They might have blown a little bit more fab than they wanted to.
43:05But they got it. So, what are we actually doing here with Ollie Gordon?
43:10ECR RB35 fits. You're a little higher at RB29.
43:12And then Erickson RB33 fits. What is making you feel a little bit more positive about Ollie Gordon this week?
43:19The prospect of volume. And we don't know if Jalen Wright's going to play this week.
43:23He missed week two with a stinger and a foot injury.
43:27And if Wright doesn't play, Gordon could get a lot of work this week.
43:31I'll be it against a tough Minnesota Rundy that's allowed the sixth fewest rushing yards to running backs.
43:36Has not given up a touchdown to a running back this season.
43:40And the Dolphins are 11.5 point underdogs in a road game.
43:43So, it's a tough spot for Gordon. But if he is getting a huge snap share, huge carry share, maybe that is
43:50enough to move him into viable flex territory for you this week.
43:54Yeah, I think that's what it is with me as well.
43:57I'm a little bit higher than consensus for the exact same reasons.
44:01If we get Jalen Wright, I probably will move him back.
44:04But for right now, we're talking a pure volume perspective.
44:07That's the direction that I'm heading towards. A little bit more trust.
44:11Especially because, you know, same with Braylon Allen. I think sometimes we underestimate how much these bigger guys can actually be somewhat
44:17productive in the pass game as well. Ollie Gordon, yeah, we think of him as, you know, hey, he's the bigger guy.
44:24He's the bruiser. He catches passes. Is he going to do what Devon Ajan does with him?
44:29Absolutely not. But he can do a little bit of something and handle checkdowns.
44:34So, there is just a smidgen of hope. Just a smidgen of hope there.
44:38Erickson, a little less hopeful. But you are still above ECR on this one.
44:42Yeah, same as Fitz when it comes to volume, right?
44:45That's how you find ceiling when it comes to fantasy running backs.
44:49If he's going to see 25 or potentially even 30 touches, like, you got to find a way to kind of get
44:55him into your lineup, regardless of how bad the matchup is against the Minnesota Vikings.
45:00Vikings, fourth fewest rushing yards per game. Lowest EPA allowed per rush.
45:04I mean, the fact that Brian Flores is going up against the Miami Dolphins at all is just one of these things
45:10where, dude, he's going to unload everything that he has in his back pocket for defensive schemes against.
45:16I feel bad for Blake Willis. Like, this guy has no receivers to throw to.
45:20Just lost the best offensive player on his team and has to face the brute of just Brian Flores defense that just
45:27throws everything and more at an opposing quarterback. So, Oli Gordon saddle up.
45:31I mean, this could be one of these games where we look back and be like, dude, Oli Gordon had 25 carries for 25 yards.
45:38Like, just like something, like, absolutely, like, ridiculous. And when you look back on that, you might think, man, I was so dumb.
45:45But it's like, if he's going to get 25 carries, like, you got to play that guy.
45:51Like, regardless of whoever. Like, we played 85 Bears defense.
45:54Like, it doesn't matter. Like, the volume always trumps.
45:56Volume is king in fantasy football, especially at running back.
45:59So, I think, too, like, that's how you have to evaluate him.
46:03Like, there's a floor with him that you may not get with a lot of other receivers or other running backs because you're not really sure, right?
46:11It's like Oli Gordon versus, like, the Patriots running backs, right?
46:15It's like, you have no idea where the touches will be distributed.
46:18Maybe one of the Pats running backs has a higher ceiling.
46:22But Gordon, he's going to have a locked and loaded floor.
46:25And I was encouraged, at least last week, that he did get involved in the passing game a little bit, too.
46:31So, and he actually had one nice catch that I thought was pretty impressive.
46:36So, three-down skill set. They talked about him having a three-down skill set in the offseason.
46:40And he obviously does proof of concept. So, I think the Jalen Wright thing will probably be the only reason I don't
46:47have him as high as Fitz right now. But if we get Jalen Wright, like, limited throughout the week, he's coming off a foot and stinger injury.
46:55If he's not ready to go, then I just think they're going to roll with Oli Gordon and Jarquez Hunter probably as the number two running back.
47:03Yeah, that's a good summary. We love the volume that he can be getting there.
47:08We hate the matchup. Brian Flores, revenge game. He's probably going to take the remember the Titans approach.
47:13If we blitz all night, good Lord, it could get nasty.
47:17Let's talk some deeper plays, though. When Aaron Drew, we kind of already touched on this one a little bit there.
47:23But let's talk about the positive aspect of it out of that Chargers backfield.
47:27Erickson, talk to us about Keaton Mitchell. RB 44 in ECR.
47:31And you have him at RB 36. You attack this Seattle Seahawks defense through running backs in the passing game.
47:37Keaton Mitchell outscored O'Meara and Hampton last week despite less touches and less snaps.
47:41It might be two weeks in a row that we see Keaton Mitchell outproduce O'Meara and Hampton even on fewer volume.
47:47Eight carries last week for 52 yards. Caught all three of his targets for an underwhelming negative five yards, but did catch a receiving touchdown.
47:55Season high in snaps at 38%. The target volume for Keaton Mitchell is rising week over week.
48:00One in week two. Three this past week. So I think that when you look at how you attack the Seahawks defense,
48:07I think it's screening more as, hey, we need to feature Mitchell.
48:11Mitchell was really one of the bright spots at that Chargers offense last week against the Buffalo Bills.
48:16He forced eight missed tackles on his 11 touches.
48:19So we'd heard the rumors that Keaton Mitchell was going to have a certain role in packages throughout the offseason.
48:25That did not come to fruition at the first two weeks of the season.
48:29But in week three, he had a legitimate role in this offense.
48:33And I think that continues based on how he performed.
48:36Played 40% of the third down snaps alongside Kamani Vidal.
48:39And just really bring up the point, like this is how you attack Seattle is running backs in the passing game.
48:45So I honestly would not surprise me if Mitchell outscores Hampton again.
48:49Yeah, I love the inclusion of this one. Everyone's struggling there at running back.
48:53So Keaton Mitchell is a great one that you could potentially turn to for some pop and usage.
48:58Get another one from you, Pat. This one is interesting because, you know, as people were, you know, turning their nose up
49:05and saying, why would you want to add Ollie Gordon or Jalen Wright for the Miami Dolphins?
49:10You know, it's a bad team. I reminded everyone like, hey, there are people out there that are having to start backup
49:17running backs asking like, hey, is it OK to start Emmitt Johnson?
49:21So you tell the people. He's at ECR RB39.
49:23You've got him at ECR 37. Is it OK to start Emmitt Johnson?
49:27Yeah, maybe. He might be the anti Ollie Gordon.
49:30You're not guaranteed any more than about four or five touches, but you're getting them in a fantastic offense in a what
49:37should be a pretty positive matchup against the Raiders with the Chiefs.
49:40Solid road favorites. It's it's just one of those things where you're probably hoping for a lopsided Chiefs victory.
49:46But like Emmitt Johnson has given us two way value as a runner and as a pass catcher.
49:52He's looked really good. And the Chiefs are maybe incentivized to spare Kenneth Walker, who has been so dominant that you do
49:58not want him to run out of gas before we hit the midpoint of the season.
50:03So maybe that means 10 touches this week for Emmitt Johnson.
50:06If he gives you 10 touches, he's probably going to give you flex value.
50:11I completely agree on that one. But that wraps things up for the show.
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