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0:25Hello everybody. Welcome into the Fantasy Pros Football Podcast.
0:28I'm Ryan Warmly, joined today by Pat Fitzmaurice and by Jake Seeley from The Athletic.
0:33And guys, it is a straightforward show today. We are talking players who could win your league.
0:40We don't have any sort of position restrictions that we're running through.
0:44There's not really an order to this. I don't know if you guys went sort of like lowest to highest in terms
0:52of how confident you are, but there wasn't really an assignment in that way.
0:57It is just strictly 10 players with league winning upside.
1:00Fitz, how are you doing today? Doing well and looking forward to the show.
1:05I think Jake and I, I don't know if we interpreted the assignment differently, but we just attacked it in different ways.
1:13I kind of went with the earlier round picks who I think like can be force multipliers in fantasy football this year.
1:21Jake went with some a little deeper in drafts with guys who could dramatically outkick their ADP.
1:27So it's going to be an interesting show. Getting a nice wide range here today.
1:32Jake, anything you got going on at The Athletic, by the way, as we get into heavy draftsies?
1:39I'm sure there is a lot of stuff. Like yet another update to the Custom Miles for projections.
1:45Like can I go one day without having to wake up and spend two hours updating the projections?
1:51Thank you very much, Alvin Kamara. So that was updated.
1:55By the way, let's talk Travis Etienne. So at Chen, sorry.
1:59No, so that's really what's going on right now.
2:02But I also my one of my favorite articles are free guys that I have coming out.
2:08The ones that are going after 14 rounds of ADP that end up being the very popular early season waiver pickups every single year.
2:17There's a lot of gems in that article every single year.
2:21But yeah, you're right. Fitz, that's kind of where I was looking at.
2:25I actually went through and looked for the biggest outliers in the ADP versus where I'm ranking them.
2:32So that's kind of why I like that we have different lists and I'm not going to talk.
2:38Hey, right off the top worm. I say I know you saw mine.
2:43I'm not talking Jalen Coker. I'm trying to go walk and watch the other shows.
2:48I tried to avoid the names that we brought up so many times already.
2:53Yes. Shouts to Jalen Coker, but not included on the list given how much he's been talked about.
3:00A reminder for everybody before you jump in all of our 2026 consensus rankings and tiers can be found at fantasypros.com slash rankings.
3:08I'd also encourage everybody to check out real time ADP.
3:11I'm going to be referencing that on the show.
3:14Throughout, you know, it just is a little more obviously up to date than, as the name might suggest, than some more standard ADP.
3:23It's a really cool tool at Fantasy Pros. And you can see the trends in the last 24 hours, also the trends
3:31in the last week and see where guys are actually moving, where they're actually going in real time drafts, not just drafts,
3:39you know, getting kind of anchored down by data from earlier in the summer.
3:44So we'll see where, you know, he's not on the list, but guys like Travis Etienne, where he ends up with, you
3:52know, the Camara news, all that fun stuff. I'd highly recommend checking it out.
3:57I will be referencing it on the show today.
4:00Let's start things off. Fitz, who is your first, not first ranking, but first guy that you want to mention league winning player?
4:08Kenneth Walker III. And it's kind of crazy that the Kansas City Chiefs have not had a 1,000-yard rusher in Patrick Mahomes' eight full seasons as a starter.
4:18So, but under Andy Reid, we saw LaShawn McCoy have a couple of 1,000-yard rushing seasons, including a 1,300-yard rushing season with 20 touchdowns.
4:26Earlier in Andy Reid's tenure in Philadelphia, Brian Westbrook had a 1,200-yard rushing season and a 1,300-yard rushing season.
4:33Westbrook had 1,900 yards from scrimmage in 2006, 2,100 yards from scrimmage in 2007, double-digit touchdowns both years.
4:40Jamal Charles had more than 1,000 rushing yards in each of Andy Reid's first three seasons with the Chiefs.
4:46Averaged about 1,700 yards from scrimmage and 13 touchdowns a season over that span.
4:51Finally, Andy Reid has another stud at running back.
4:55The Chiefs' offense has been pretty average, dare I say mid, for the last three years.
5:00Now Patrick Mahomes is coming off this major knee injury.
5:04Walker is going to play a huge role this year, and that's why he left Seattle.
5:10He wanted a bigger role. I expect him to be among the league leaders in carries, and I think he's going to
5:17be used as a pass catcher more than he was in Seattle.
5:22And Walker's shown last season's playoffs that he can eat in an expanded role.
5:27He had more than 100 scrimmage yards in all three of Seattle's playoff games and scored four touchdowns.
5:33I think Walker's in for a big, big year.
5:36He showed he can eat in the small sample size of the playoffs.
5:41I think the folks who are more nervous about Walker fits are those who would say, like, what will he?
5:48Can he live up to that kind of workload healthy all season long?
5:53Do you have any concern about that when you think about it?
5:57I mean, obviously we're talking about upside today, so the upside I think is very apparent.
6:03But do you have concerns about that downside that's been brought up by other people?
6:08It's not like he has been a committee back for the entirety of his time in Seattle.
6:14He's averaged, I think, 16.1 touches a game since the Seahawks drafted him.
6:19Like, I think he'll be fine. And look, anyone can get hurt.
6:23And he's mostly dodged the major injuries. He generally tends to miss a couple of games every year.
6:29I'm not that worried about that. And look, we know there's replacement value on waivers if he misses a game or two.
6:37But what if what if he doesn't miss a game?
6:41You know, anyone can get hurt in the NFL.
6:44I am always reluctant to tag anyone with the injury prone label.
6:48And I don't know if really Kenneth Walker warrants it based on, you know, missing a couple of games every year.
6:56Generally hasn't missed any huge chunks of time. Jake, where are you at on Kenneth Walker, who, by the way, real time
7:04made a PRB nine and about the 15th pick overall.
7:07Can he bring explosiveness back to this Chiefs offense?
7:10I think again, I think the I'm slightly behind that ranking, but I still am as an RB one.
7:17And it's basically the fact that I have them in the same tier.
7:22Mind you, this is a giant tier for me.
7:25It starts with number four, Jonathan Taylor, and goes all the way down to Javante Williams at 14.
7:31So all of those names, it's similar to wide receiver two.
7:35So if you shuffle them up and told me that Kenneth Walker's at the top with a Marion Hampton at four and
7:43five, and somehow a chance all the way at the bottom.
7:47I want to be shocked. That's why they're in one big tier for me.
7:52So that's why I think there's warranted value in taking Walker because there's the upside to finish as the top five running back.
8:00And that's where I agree with Fitz on this part, especially when you hear they're designing the passing game for the running backs around his skill set.
8:10They're not just trying to get him involved. They're like implementing changes to acclimate to his skill set.
8:16So the real thing, and I love what Fitz said there.
8:20Everybody is injury risk until they're not. Leonard Fournette was hurt throughout college, throughout the beginning of his career, and then he wasn't.
8:28And then he was healthy and he was like a league winner, which is kind of like the very similar situation, I
8:36think, to this one is the fact that he finally stayed healthy and Leonard Fournette was a top six, seven running back.
8:44The guys around him are running backs in real time.
8:48It's like the it's Gentian a Chad ahead of him and Chase Brown and Derek Henry and O'Marion Hampton behind him.
8:55So it is this real in real time, 80, 80, a real stretch of running backs.
9:01Do you agree with that being the position you want to go in that like pick 14 to 17 range?
9:08Yeah, I love drafting late this year, like being on the on the turn, being at 11, being late in a 14 team.
9:16Or it's just I love that tier of backs.
9:19And I've got Walker just ahead of Chase Brown, Saquon Barkley, O'Marion Hampton, Devon H.
9:25And like how you want to order those. I'm not going to really pick nits with it.
9:31And I think different people are going to have that order different ways.
9:35But for me, Kenneth Walker, like I'm chasing the ceiling.
9:39I'm excited about him. I've got him RB seven.
9:42Jake, who's the first guy you want to talk about here looking a little bit lower down in ADP?
9:49Yeah, I'll go straight through positions because they weren't in any particular order.
9:53So I'll start at quarterback. And I think this is a name that has been brought up on these shows before.
10:01But I haven't talked about him a lot recently and just or I guess overall Malik Willis at quarterback, because the way
10:09I interpreted similar to what Fitz was saying was that, hey, like these are the guys that, you know, you maybe take middle rounds, later rounds.
10:18But that massively outperform where they're going, as in guys that end up being in every week started that you weren't thinking of.
10:26And with Malik Willis, the simplest version of this, and I referenced Daniel Jones a lot because I referenced his 707 rushing touchdown season.
10:35And the fact that if you look at it, he was not even throwing a touchdown per game that season.
10:42He still was a top 10 quarterback. So I'll just give you the fact that the numbers for everybody.
10:49Let's say Malik Willis for 706, those touchdowns. You add in the numbers for passing wise.
10:54This is all it takes to be a QB one on average.
10:592,800 yards and 15 touchdowns. That is it. You can be a garbage passer with 706 and on average, you'll finish this QB 12.
11:07And I don't think anybody's expecting it to be that bad for Willis.
11:12Like if you talk about 3,200 and 20 touchdowns, now you're talking about somebody that's potentially pushing the top five if he runs for 706.
11:21And honestly, you can make the argument for Willis that that's the low end.
11:26He has Lamar Jackson rushing upside, 900 plus rushing yards, seven, eight touchdowns on the ground where he actually even will run a little bit more.
11:35Or again, if they let him, he'll run a little bit more near the goal line than Lamar ever has for really his career.
11:44He stacks up the yards, but he's not the guy they always go to or let him be the guy.
11:51He doesn't really want to be the guy at the goal line running those areas where Malik Willis could add that dimension.
11:58So it really just comes down to Malik Willis where he's going massive risk.
12:03Do I want him as my only quarterback? Obviously not.
12:07I'll take two chances with quarterbacks that late. But as a quarterback that you could sit there and go, oh my gosh,
12:15I have a top 10 quarterback every single week.
12:18Like that's going to be a difference maker for drafting him that late at quarterback.
12:23Yeah, I've been starting to toy with the idea of sort of planting my flag on like if I want to make
12:31a really bold prediction this year, it's that Malik Willis will break the rushing record.
12:37Because it's just such a – like A, he's a very, very talented runner obviously.
12:42But it's that like they also don't have this great receiving core, right?
12:47Like there's some options there that we're somewhat intrigued by, but we know it's like one of the worst receiving rooms in the NFL.
12:55So I wonder if there will just be more times where he goes, I have to screw it.
13:02I just got to go run and scramble, which is going to just let his athleticism shine through.
13:08I'm pretty confident he's going to be the starter throughout the year, but they're not so tied to him that they'd be like worried about overworking him.
13:18I just wonder if all of those are going to come together for a really terrific just generational rushing season.
13:25Obviously actually breaking the rushing record would be like a huge leap that, you know, that's what would make it a bold prediction.
13:33But like Jake, I'm totally with you just on the upside, like the rushing alone.
13:38And quite frankly, like that raises the floor too.
13:41Like even if he is a bad passer, which may not be true, like it's not just a ceiling raiser.
13:49It is also a floor raiser in fantasy. And like, I think that's a great call that they're the passing numbers that you have to get to.
13:58It's so low. If he has a rush, it's not hard.
14:02Again, that's factoring 706. But I'm with you in the fact that I think that might be the low end where I agree.
14:10Like I don't see anything outside of an injury stopping Malik Willis from the end.
14:16They're not going to turn to, they're not going to get to game 14 and be like, you know what?
14:23We got to evaluate Quinn Ewers to see if he's the answer next year.
14:28They're just going to like play it out. If he gets hurt, that's one thing, but play it out and maybe they're drafting a quarterback next year.
14:37But I've seen early 2027 mock drafts that are obviously there's a wide range of outcomes and it's a huge quarterback class.
14:45But have them, being the Dolphins, taking a wide receiver and just going like a Jeremiah Smith because maybe Malik Willis shows that he can be the guy.
14:55Yeah. Fitz, what do you think? Obviously, you watched Willis closely for a bit in Green Bay.
15:01Do you see the same kind of upside? I do, because Willis is a totally different quarterback coming out of Green Bay
15:09than he was coming out of the Tennessee Titans organization.
15:13And Liberty. Yeah. I mean, he just like he learned how to play quarterback in Green Bay and benefited from his time
15:20with Matt LaFleur and was really good when he got those opportunities when Jordan Love missed a couple of games.
15:28So four total starts, I think he made in Green Bay or maybe it was three, but completed like 78 percent of
15:35his passes, six touchdowns, no interceptions and over six career starts.
15:39Malik Willis, 44 and a half rushing yards a game, four touchdowns, basically eight and a half fantasy points just running.
15:47And there have been rave reviews of his training camp and how well he has thrown the ball.
15:53And even with this amalgam of wide receivers he's working with in Miami, like he's making it work.
16:00And, you know, there's buzz about Caleb Douglas and like it just seems like he's going to throw to whoever's open.
16:07And every year you look at the NFL team passing stats, whoever's dead last still gets about 3000 passing yards in a season and about 20 touchdowns.
16:17So, like, if you give Malik Willis those types of numbers, then add the rushing.
16:22We're talking about a QB one finish. So I love it, man.
16:26I've been taking Malik Willis as my second quarterback in leagues where I generally do not draft two quarterbacks.
16:33I just like having that upside swing there and, you know, wait on the first guy, get a Jared Goff type and then take Malik Willis behind him.
16:43And hopefully I'm cutting Jared Goff after about three weeks because I'm so enchanted by what Malik Willis is doing.
16:50You know, it's funny that you bring up Jared Goff because if you gave him 3000 and like what you just said
16:58in the 25 or 20 touchdowns instead of the numbers you just gave passing wise and added the 706 rushing that I
17:06threw out as a number, he would have finished QB seven in front of Jared Goff last year.
17:12Yeah. Yeah. Wow. He, by the way, QB 21 real time ADP, 157th is the pick.
17:18Like, to me, the QB ranking is almost less relevant than just how late you can get him.
17:24Like, that's like what a 14th round pick. It's totally free with that kind of upside.
17:30And we have seen many times in the last half decade a late round quarterback all of a sudden become one of these superstar fantasy guys.
17:39It's like Drake May last year, you know, a few years ago, like Lamar, Patrick Mahomes back in 2018, 19.
17:46Like, it is a regular thing and has been for a few years that there is usually somebody that really pops here.
17:54So Willis makes as much sense as anybody. Just a PSA for everyone out there.
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18:28All right, Fitz, who is your next league winning player?
18:31It's Brock Bowers. And I would not be surprised if a year from now we were talking about Brock Bowers as a
18:39consensus first-round pick and just merely debating where in the first round he should go.
18:45And, in fact, I just took him in the first round of the Data Force charity basketball league that I've been doing for like seven years.
18:54Great league, great people. And I wanted to have Brock Bowers in that league because I think the conversation should be about
19:02Brock Bowers having the potential to produce like an elite wide receiver.
19:06And Worm, we just did a Dynasty show where we were making some bold predictions.
19:11And I predicted that Bowers has more catches, receiving yardage, and touchdowns than Amon Ross St.
19:17Brown this year. And, like, I don't think that's far-fetched at all.
19:21Two years ago as a rookie, coming out of Georgia as, like, arguably the best tight end prospect of all time, Bowers
19:29had 112 catches for 1,194 yards and five touchdowns.
19:32Third among all pass catchers in receptions that season.
19:35Tight ends and wide receivers included sixth in targets, eighth in receiving yardage among all pass catchers.
19:42And his quarterbacks were Gardner Minshew, Aiden O'Connell, and Desmond Ritter.
19:45And they collectively had a lower passer rating than Geno Smith had last year for the Raiders.
19:52Like, Bowers is going to be the focal point of the Raiders passing game this year, which should be better with Fernando Mendoza and Kirk Cousins.
20:01Cousins has been a super tight end friendly quarterback over his career.
20:05So, for the early part of the season, while he keeps the seat warm for Fernando, I think Bowers is still going to put up good numbers.
20:15Like, it was just, we were so excited about what he could have done last year, and then he got that knee injury that cost him games.
20:24Well, it cost him effectiveness in some games. Then they shut him down.
20:29He missed some time. They shut him down at the end of the season because they were in tanking mode.
20:36But the Raiders offense was just wrecked last year.
20:39The offensive line injured and bad, and the quarterback play was pretty terrible.
20:44So, I think we're going to see a whole new Bowers.
20:48I think we're going to see him improve upon his outstanding rookie numbers.
20:52He's just a different species at tight end than we're used to.
20:57And I can't wait to see what the ceiling looks like this year.
21:01I was going to say, Fitz, you, I'm pretty sure, made some similar-ish predictions a year ago about Bowers going into year two.
21:10And I love that you're just like, hey, it was like an injury-riddled season.
21:15We're going to go again. Like, you're going to keep picking Brock Bowers to break fantasy until morale improves.
21:21You're like, I don't, you need to see it not happen for a non-injury reason, I think, to believe it.
21:28Yeah, Jake, I mean, we know that Clint Kubiak, when he has a clear number one pass-catching option on his offense, will
21:36find ways to get that guy the ball at a historic rate.
21:41In this offense, it's certainly going to be Brock Bowers, you would imagine.
21:45Do you see him as a league winner with a real-time ADP of about 21st overall?
21:51So, you know, it's harder to be a league winner when you're in the second round.
21:57Can Brock Bowers do that? He can, especially if, you know, what Fitz just said comes true.
22:03And there's no question about it. Because the biggest pushback I always had for Travis Kelsey back in the day was that
22:10if Travis Kelsey doesn't finish three, four points per game higher than any other tight end, he's not worth the first rounder because you want that gap.
22:20You need that advantage because it's not just the fact that you took the tight ends, what you're sacrificing at running back
22:28or wide receiver, and you pulled yourself back to the pack at tight end, the years that like Darren Waller finished on his heels.
22:36So you gave away that advantage, but you also gave away what you threw away at the other position.
22:43So it's just like a double-edged sword. But that was the argument for Travis Kelsey in the first, mid, late first rounder.
22:51This is at the 2-3 turn. I'm still not loving it only because I'm more on Loveland in the fourth for the discount.
22:59But if you told me, like I said, like we're sitting here and going, hey, you know what?
23:06There's a chance that he finishes with those numbers, by the way, Travis Kelsey in those years that he was Travis Kelsey.
23:13It was almost like every other year back then.
23:17He was usually wide receiver 4-5-6 right in that range.
23:20So if you're telling me Bowers is going to be wide receiver 4-5-6, then there is a conversation to even have him
23:28at the end of the first round because those are the numbers that make the difference.
23:34So to Fitz's point, it's a lot to ask of him.
23:38It's certainly in play. And if it happens, he would be a league changer.
23:43Like even if you want to call him a winner, like he would change the landscape of your league if you have Brock Bowers.
23:51Fitz, what in your mind is like the minimum scoreline you would expect from him?
23:57Like obviously you're talking about like, you know, surpassing a guy like St.
24:01Brown as sort of your bold prediction. But like if Bowers is healthy, plays 16, 17 games, like I feel like 1,000
24:09yards, 90 catches and 10 touchdowns is like borderline going to be my bare minimum, which is like an amazing season for a tight end.
24:18Yep, 17 games. I'd actually be disappointed with 1,000-yard season for Bowers.
24:22Like I mean, I think he's capable of doing 1,400 or 1,500 yards.
24:27I really do. Yeah, yeah, I agree. All right, Jake, let's go to your next league winning player here.
24:34Yeah, this one I want to hammer down because I feel like we're going to run out of time to be able to talk about him for one.
24:44But two, it's not just the injury and it's Jonathan Brooks.
24:48I know I've brought him up at least one time before.
24:51But Jonathan Brooks, where he's still going, I don't think it's accounting for everything we talked about because for a while here
24:59on other shows, we were saying, hey, Jonathan Brooks is somebody that you want to target in the mid to late rounds
25:07because all it takes him in being anything like we knew him coming from Texas.
25:12All it takes is him being a quality running back, let alone potentially a top 10 talent that we knew from Texas.
25:20And all that being said is he could surpass Hubbard without an injury.
25:25We get the injury to Hubbard, who's going to be out for the rest of the preseason, questionable for week one as of today.
25:33And then even if he is back, Hubbard has all this runway to show that he's even 90% of what he was.
25:41And this might sound crazy to some people, but 90%, like if we only got 90% Brooks, he's still better than Hubbard in my opinion.
25:50Hubbard is a replacement level running back in my opinion.
25:54So worst case scenario, I see a split, but we're getting all the upside that if by the time we get to
26:02week one, it might be his job. It might be a near bell cow roll with 15 plus touches per week.
26:09And Hubbard and Dowdle in this offense with 15 plus touches, we're putting up RB2 performances.
26:15So you're talking about somebody that should be in the RB2 conversation right now.
26:20And let alone, like, I have a real hard time.
26:23I was sitting here, we were talking about before this, I'm in the flex, super flex, or best ball league because I
26:31wasn't able to find my way to a spot in all the live drafts.
26:36But I was sitting there on the clock and I legitimately sat there and debated David Montgomery or Jonathan Brooks because it's
26:44first or last and it is best ball. But I was thinking long and hard that Brooks deserves to be in that conversation for me.
26:53If you look at real-time ADP, only one player has risen more in the last 24 hours than Jonathan Brooks, that's Casey
27:01Concepcion, and only one player has risen more in the last week than Jonathan Brooks, that's Dejan Stribling.
27:07But he's number two in both those lists in terms of how much he's risen.
27:13Yeah, he's RB29 in there, about 78, 78 and a half is sort of the average real-time ADP for him overall.
27:20Yeah, he, it's somebody, it's interesting Fitz because like Jake sort of described, we were already talking about him as, hey, this
27:28is like the upside play you want to make this year and then we have the injury stuff going on in that backfield.
27:36So it's hard, it's hard to be anything other than even more enthusiastic to whatever degree you already were interested in him.
27:44Yeah, so that's, at that current ADP, I think that puts him in the seventh round.
27:50I think he gets to the sixth round. Oh, I was going to say fifth.
27:55You think five? Yeah. I mean, he has gone as early in the fifth than some drafts.
28:01I think probably the ADP levels off. There are going to be some homelink people who just won't touch a guy who's
28:09had two ACL tears in the same knee over a span of 13 months, but it has been like 20 plus months
28:17now since the last one and they seem more confident that after a repair that maybe didn't go so well the first
28:24time around, this double bundle technique they used with the second one is going to create a more stable knee that hopefully
28:32is going to hold up for him. It's like Costco.
28:36Yeah, exactly. Really, he's only had one year of like heavy duty since high school because he backed up Bijan Robinson at
28:44the University of Texas and then Bijan leaves and Brooks has a fantastic season and when he came out, Lance Zierlein of
28:52NFL.com comped him to, let's drop the name again, it got dropped earlier, Jamal Charles and that's a pretty impressive comp.
28:59Like he is a playmaker so totally agree with what Jake said about Chuba Hubbard.
29:04I think he's just a guy and like this is going to be Brooks' job to run with and man, just pray for good health.
29:13Are you guys taking it? I mean, you said you could see him maybe getting up into the fifth.
29:20Are you comfortable taking him there or are you waiting until the sixth before you're considering it?
29:26I was talking about my fifth round pick with the David Montgomery thing.
29:31Oh, okay. To give you an idea. So definitely.
29:34Again, also, I don't know if I would do it in a typical redraft but like that's best ball.
29:41Like so, you know, you got to take some swings depending on how your roster construction ends up but I mean, that's,
29:49like I said, I'm thinking about him already in the fifth and I think that if we had, put it this time,
29:56if we're sitting here, all three of us, next week at this time and Brooks runs off for 10 carries and 80
30:04yards in week two, he'll jump to the fifth.
30:07Like that's all it's going to take because admittedly that first game action, I'd say he looked 90%.
30:14He didn't look 100%. So I think if we get a sign that he is close to 100, he's going to rocket.
30:22He's going to continue to ride that rocket to the moon.
30:26He's still in like the mid 30s in terms of running back rankings on Yahoo and Sleeper.
30:32You can see that column on the real-time ADP page.
30:35Like those are just obviously like he's going to go earlier than that you would think the more we get into here.
30:43But a lot of times, you know, especially in more like home leagues or casual stuff, you see people more anchored to those rankings.
30:52So he can end up being a really good value if he kind of still stays there in some of the leagues that you might be playing him.
31:02So don't forget about it. I have been in multiple leagues where I had planned to take him and then somebody took
31:09him like a round or two earlier than I expected and I was like, whoa, I had like not even scrolled down
31:17to add him to the queue yet because I thought I had another round or two.
31:23He thought you had time? Yes. Especially some of the mock drafts we've done too.
31:28So be prepared to go get him and scroll down in your queue.
31:33Sorry, I don't want to spend too much time on him.
31:37But if you're looking at the other names he's going around and I know that LeQuint Allen just got hurt, but Bashal
31:45Tootin's got a timeshare concern even though we might not believe it.
31:49But Stevenson and Henderson timeshare concerns. Jerry Price timeshare concerns.
31:52Scadaboo time cares. So like my point being is that if everything shakes how we expect it to be, Brooks in that
32:00group would be the one that we know is getting 60-65% of the work come week one where all these are still possibly in a 50-50 split.
32:10I think it's worth spending time and we will move on now but I don't mind taking a longer conversation with Brooks
32:18because I do think he's one of the more fascinating guys given the extent of his injury history and the opportunity that's in front of him.
32:27I think he's a player that listeners want to make sure they get right this year so I'm glad we talked about him.
32:35Fitz, let's go to your next guy with league winning upside.
32:39Emeka Ibuka who now has a toe injury that sounds like turf toe so that's not ideal based on what the injury
32:47doctors are saying on Twitter the recovery timetable would probably have him back right around week one.
32:53Maybe he misses a game or two maybe not but Ibuka averaged 20.5 PPR points per game through the first five weeks
33:01of the 2025 season 25 catches for 445 yards and five touchdowns over that period and he was 22 years old at
33:09the time and then he tweaked his hamstring in week six Baker Mayfield got banged up was banged up for much of
33:17the season the offensive line in Tampa had just a plethora of injuries I hate that Ibuka isn't going into the season
33:24fully healthy but I'm not that worried about this toe injury and you know I kind of put my money where my
33:32mouth was Jake I just took Ibuka with the 30th overall pick in your flex best ball draft with Mike Evans gone
33:40Ibuka is going to be the alpha receiver in Tampa like I just don't think Chris Godwin is the same guy anymore
33:48after that gruesome ankle injury he had two seasons ago I think Ibuka is going to have a fantastic year and man
33:56if this toe injury gives me a little bit of a discount it really didn't in Jake's best ball league but if
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36:28app Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts Jake where are you at on Igbuka same thing especially after seeing I
36:36forget who it was I don't want to give credit to the wrong injury doctor on Twitter yesterday but saying the fact
36:44that we had this similar situation with Devontae Adams years ago and he was fine and actually had more fancy points per
36:51game when he came back from the similar injury and we're getting all this leeway and the fact that we don't have
36:59to watch him play we get time to like rest and be ready for week one I know it's a risk because
37:07we've seen toe injuries and that's the biggest thing is we don't know the severity we don't know if it's grade one
37:15two three sprain of the toe and if it was the most severe obviously this is something that could linger the entire
37:23season and affect his ability to cut and all that type of stuff but it sounds like they're optimistic so maybe it's
37:31only grade one all that being said if there's any chance that similar to Adams he can be 100% come week one
37:38I don't even need the better fancy points per game after coming back it's just the fact that Ibuka can step into
37:46the number one role like we all thought we did because Chris Godwin could talk about how he feels great compared to
37:54last year and Jalen McMillan is back which I think is a great free flyer but like let's be honest about this
38:02depth chart it is Ibuka and then a large gap to everybody else fits to your point about the discount I mean
38:10he is down about five spots in the last week about two spots in the last 24 hours on real-time ADP there's
38:18like a huge clump of receivers in this range though so moving down one or two spots like does have a big
38:25impact on the positional ranking in that ADP but yeah still inside the top 20 even with moving down he's wide receiver
38:3319 I haven't moved him you haven't moved him yeah what do you have him at wide receiver Fitz I've got him
38:41at 15 that's right where I have him yeah Fitz would you rather have Ibuka this year or Zay Flowers I've got
38:49Zay Flowers ranked two spots higher okay I didn't same here's the question okay as of today would you go Ibuka or
38:57Neighbors I think I'd go Neighbors Neighbors is a handful of spots higher in ADP yeah Ibuka is still one spot in
39:05front I know we're waxing poetically about the health of Neighbors well everybody in the industry that covers the team I just
39:12I still need to see a little bit more like are we even going to get Neighbors on the field before week
39:20one and what's the difference at least we know Ibuka is 100% just now dealing with the toe we're assuming a lot
39:28for Neighbors in a brand new offense like I just I would take Ibuka as of today as crazy as that might
39:36sound to some people I think I would take Ibuka too I've generally been a little less optimistic on the Neighbors injury
39:44timeline stuff I think the fact that he didn't go on PUP right away just had everybody so excited and I think
39:52maybe overreacted a little bit the injury I think is still going to be a concern for him particularly early on if
39:59Ibuka is good you know relatively early on I will not be surprised and I'll be very excited to have him so
40:07I think I would go Ibuka better ecosystem for Ibuka too oh yes that's a great question yeah if you want the
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40:39are up and to claim your prize Loveland maybe could have been an option for this list he's not on it today
40:46Jake who is your next player yeah that's one I feel like I've talked about enough so you want to talk the
40:54opposite direction of the most probably unsexy of all these names on this list right now it's Tyler O'Gier and I say
41:02Lee Whitney upside but here's why here's how I'm going to paint the picture for it for the super unexpiring uninciting running
41:10back is this is somebody that before B. John Robinson was with the Atlanta Falcons finishes an RB1 based on volume so
41:18granted I'm not expecting RB1 I don't even know if I would call it RB2 but like a back-end RB2 with volume
41:26on one of the what we expect to be one of the worst offenses in the league but Jeremiah Love high ankle
41:33sprain we know the timetable of the high ankle sprain optimistically five to six weeks more likely eight we've seen running backs
41:41of the ilk of Saquon Barkley never looked the same after having the high ankle sprain until the next season and that's
41:49why I'm saying all this is because there's two ways you can get the advantage of Algier is first you start the
41:57season of like if you want to play the injury game of stashing somebody like a Jordan Tyson and you don't have
42:05to worry about him in the flex and you can play Algier or something like that or a rookie that you know
42:13that's going to take some time whatever it is Algier can be your answer for the first two three four weeks assuming
42:20Love comes back and assuming Love comes back and is Love there's a world where he comes back and he's a timeshare
42:28piece and they don't force Love the Bull because hey he's already got an ankle sprain he is a rookie and then
42:36the third part of it is what if Love comes back and looks like Saquon Barkley when he came back and doesn't
42:44look like himself and all of a sudden it's like hey you know what Love is just a timeshare piece as we
42:52get him healthy as the season goes on for next season so I'm not saying I want Algier and all my teams
43:00but for Algier to be in the double digit rounds as who's going to be the lead starter to start the year
43:08for the Cardinals by the way Trey Benson still not on the field James Conner still not on the field Van Knight
43:15is currently the number two it's just it's an uninspiring pick but it's somebody that like sometimes these uninspiring picks can be
43:23your RB2 or flex answer depending on how your roster construction goes and worst case scenario he's your answer for three or
43:31four weeks best case scenario you might have an answer for the entire season the thing I like about Algier is that
43:39I feel like even before Love got hurt he was probably a value now much more boring less league winning upside type
43:47of value but he scored eight touchdowns last season we know he's a capable running back pretty good running back I think
43:55and even with Bijan in the same backfield last year like was contributing like at least with the scoring of touchdowns and
44:02had I think like 600 yards or something like that and for a guy going into 12th round like you know the
44:10contingent upside if Love gets hurt which obviously now he has but I thought there was like value there anyway now you
44:18can throw in a bit more of the ceiling and sort of dream a bit on the upside depending on what happens
44:26with the Love injury obviously but you know he's a good player who just like has perpetually been in these backfields with
44:34these elite you know uber prospects and when he gets the opportunity I thought he was pretty good so he's RB44 by
44:42the way like an early 12th round pick in real time ADP Fitz where you at on Algier in terms of just
44:49the upside yeah with this Love injury I think there is upside for Algier in the double digit rounds but for him
44:57to really pop and sort of fit this category of league winner I do think you would be betting sort of on
45:05the worst case scenario for Love which is certainly a concern and Jake points this out like the high ankle sprain is
45:13not a small thing and I'm surprised that there are some fantasy analysts who've sort of brushed it off who I've heard
45:21in the last couple days I'm not brushing it off like I was willing to take Jeremiah Love late seconds just a
45:29week ago no longer there's no way like I won't even think about him until the mid third now and even then
45:36it seems like a pretty dicey move considering some of the wide receivers who are available in the mid third so yeah
45:44it's a much less appealing proposition now for Love but the thing is for Algier to you know really return major value
45:52on even a double digit round pick he has to start games I don't think there's any value because if he is
46:00not if he's just sharing time with Jeremiah Love that's not someone you want in your starting lineup in fantasy like he
46:08has to be have Jeremiah Love out I think which he will be so wouldn't you say that even if you only
46:16got four games as a starter and then time share the rest of the season where are you still going and that's
46:23why I said this isn't season long league winner but this is where you started with four wide receivers in your first
46:31six rounds and like a zero RB approach or something like that he is the most glaring answer for you as you
46:39figure out and find your other RB2 down the road that's that's kind of my perspective it's not the most attractive year
46:47to go zero RB but if you do go zero RB like Algier is almost a must where he's going in drafts
46:55yeah Fitz let's stick with you for your next player on the list yeah let's go with another injured wide receiver I'm
47:03picking Luther Burden who is dealing with a groin injury but reports suggest that Burden should be good to go for week
47:10one he averaged 10.9 yards per target last year and 2.34 yards per route run in his rookie year if you include
47:18playoffs just Burden is one of the quickest guys in the NFL a complete nightmare to cover especially out of the slot
47:26where he is going to be taking most of his snaps Luther Burden is playing for a head coach Ben Johnson whose
47:34offense helped slot receiver Amon Ross St. Braun become a superstar in Detroit and my goodness the way Ben Johnson talks about
47:42Luther Burden Ben Johnson loves this kid the Bears are going to have a high powered offense and their defense could be
47:50among the worst in the league this year Chicago is going to be playing in a lot of okay corral game scripts
47:57this season a lot of shootouts and despite the presence of Colston Loveland and Romo Dunze also strong fantasy assets I'm not
48:05worried about target volume for Burden like I think he's in for a big year where with the injury are you taking
48:13him right now Fitz man so I'm willing to take him in the fourth I do like I'm not totally over my
48:21skis on him in the ranking I've got him with the injury factored in wide receiver 24 but man the upside is
48:29monstrous yeah he's wide receiver 25 and ADP back half of the fifth round pick so you're willing to reach about a
48:37round to make sure you are getting into that upside he's going in between guys like DJ Moore Devante Adams Christian Watson
48:44Roma Dunze those are the two names on either side of him in both directions so his wide receiver teammate in a
48:52Dunze is one of them you know Watson somebody we've talked about as a breakout player DJ Moore in a new landing
49:00spot and then obviously Devante Adams you know the elder statesman there Jake amongst those names where does Luther Burden stack up
49:08for you is he the type of upside you would want to take a swing on in that range or would you
49:16look elsewhere so he's in the same conversation like I have him with the like the waddles a healthy Mike Evans that's
49:24a question right now but like burden is there he's not too far from a Dunze for me mostly there was a
49:32bigger gap before the injury just because I'm not positive that like this doesn't create a slow start out of college that
49:39like people just weren't sure whether or not to believe what they saw with Missouri and all that type of stuff so
49:47I like burden mostly because of what Fitz said too it's the fit and the style of this offense of this is
49:55more of the feature than a Dunzey so if somebody's going to be hurt by Loveland being Loveland what we expect to
50:03possibly be a tier one tight end in the conversation of a Bowers McBride he's more likely to hurt a Dunzey than
50:11he is burden given the skill sets and the designs that you would see in this offense like a Dunzey kind of
50:19falls into the Jameson Williams role despite the fact they aren't the same wide receiver just pointing out the perception of the
50:26Lions versus the Bears so I am very much in a burden like if he wasn't hurt I had him actually as
50:34a top 20 wide receiver I had him in the conversation with like Ted Rowe McMillan or she Rice and stuff like
50:42that do you I'd rather wait and get a Dunzey because he's cheaper than burden or do you like because that gap
50:50is shrinking for you or would you still rather take burden around or two ahead of a Dunzey so I it's more
50:58of the fact like before this even though I had the gap bigger I was taking a little bit more Dunzey because
51:06we do have the uncertainty like there's a world where Fitz and I are wrong on this and then a Dunzey has
51:13more value than burden like we are trying to project what we think is going to happen and these are both very
51:21talented wide receivers like all of a sudden everybody's like I'm not saying Fitz is doing this because he's fine we were
51:29just glossing over how great he was last year potentially and all this offense and the excitement for Dunzey so I that
51:37was close to peak value like you're not gaining a lot of return on investment at that point because you need him
51:45to be the one you need him to outperform a Dunzey so now that he's coming back with his injury I've been
51:53happy because now I'm getting more burden again yeah Fitz you know that just from doing the dynasty show with me that
52:00I am not glossing over a Dunzey upside from his start last season and you know those five touchdowns in the first
52:08four weeks and you know I'm really excited about a Dunzey as a guy I think could take a step forward this
52:16year it's not meant more I've got him down at wide receiver 29 so not too far behind five spots of separation
52:24and they have not yet passed a law in fantasy football 2026 that you have to choose between Luther Burden and Roma
52:32Dunes that you're allowed to like both that is for sure true would you draft both actually like obviously you can like
52:40both but do you feel like in that same range are you know Chase Higgins it's not I was going to say
52:47Adams but Adams isn't going that high this year because everybody is going to be hurt again but the point being you're
52:55not investing two picks inside the first three or four rounds at this point so now I'm more willing to you going
53:03now it's just even if the Bears passing game has a really banging day on any any given week like it's it's
53:11going to be hard for both guys to really pop like I want I want the upside where like two different receivers
53:19can explode for me and then if Caleb gets hurt it just kind of wrecks your season like your season is literally
53:27hanging on the guys or would you not want to have two of those three I would be a little more amenable
53:34to that but generally I do not like clogging my pass catching core with more than one guy on a but such
53:42a price before he might need to be your wide receiver for now he's going where you can start on your bench
53:50you don't need to put him however they did it but they did an overlap of all the quarterbacks and you yeah
53:58that's why he was better once he left the Titans and put on the Eagles so Jalen Hurts will be throwing more
54:06over the middle is somebody who on your bench and I think by the middle of the season you're looking at some
54:14way that could potentially be a top 25 wide receiver filling in is that also a guy not just that's a value
54:21but has league winning upside behind the Houston Texans and Denver Broncos defenses in drafts in real-time ADP yes that is I
54:29am glad that drafters seem to be off the sense with Makai Lemon the guy who Howie Roseman the smartest Wiggum in
54:37the famous Simpsons episode yeah like I'm very excited about Makai Lemon and this hamstring injury has just like kept the price
54:45super low driven the price down I USC like this guy's hands this guy's man I just I would implore anyone who
54:53has any questions about Makai Lemon's talent to go to YouTube and dial up the Iowa USC game from last year like
55:01watch that game and you last year right but like this is somebody that you were looking at as oh in the
55:08second half could be the true league winner like in the fantasy playoffs and everything like that as Jake has described and
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55:40one more player from each of you here on our league winning list Fitz who do you got Jameson Williams who I
55:48actually have ranked ahead of Luther Burden and I think I'm going to wind up getting Jameson Williams in a lot of
55:56drafts in the coming weeks so he finished with 1117 yards last play only 15 games but Nico actually had 18 more
56:03targets than Jameson Williams and now JMO has last year Jameson Williams had averaged 2.6 catches and 44.4 receiving yards per game
56:11with Morton calling the plays with Campbell calling the plays 4.9 catches 84.7 receiving yards per game the rest of the way
56:19week 10 on when Campbell started calling the plays JMO was wide receiver 9 in half point PPR scoring wide receiver 8 was Amon Ross St.
56:28Brown there was less than a point a game separating them and I realized that JMO's big second half occurred with tight
56:36end Sam Laporta on the shelf with a back injury I yards per targets that is peak efficiency he averaged exactly six
56:44targets a game last season still finished with 1100 yards I think he's going to be busier this year even with Laporta
56:52healthy and again kind of another Bears type situation here the Lions have a shaky secondary that could lead to a lot
57:00of track mates we know that offense is good they play a ton of indoor games this year I'm excited about Jamison
57:07Williams upside like and it seems like people aren't on him at 25 Christian Watson at 26 Roma Dunes at 27 Jameson
57:15Williams at wide receiver 28 and if you look at the overall pick numbers Watson is the 604 Rome is the 605
57:23and Jameson is the 606 so it's a very NFC North wide receiver heavy stretch there in drafts and Jameson Williams is
57:31behind all of those guys Jake for you where is he rank in terms of imagining him as a league winning player
57:39we finally get to disagree yay I have more concerns over Jameson Williams mostly because before Sam Laporta got hurt there was
57:47more games with fewer targets than there were of five plus and that's really what it comes down to is it's not
57:54the fact that I'm deathly afraid of Laporta but I'm also looking at Petz in the way he loves to back over
58:02the play calling just last year with Johnny Morton and all these situations where it's like what are we doing with Jameson
58:10Williams and it goes back to it so like what if he doesn't have control or what if he doesn't have the
58:18entire play call where it's all of a sudden three targets six targets two five like what it was to start last
58:26year and that's my only concern with it it's not that Jameson Williams can't be top 25 it's just the little port
58:34of factor so I'm a little bit more hesitant I'm not really far down on him but I have a Dunze Watson
58:42Burden Parker Washington McLaurin ahead of him which just slots him into 31 it's not severely down but it's down in the
58:49fact that there's names that to taking over play calling duties and getting him there like my thought process has been similar
58:57to Fitz that like even though it's now Drew Petzin there like it must have been a point of emphasis for Campbell
59:05in go routes and nines and outs and stuff like that versus using Jameson's full route tree which he's not the best
59:13route runner in the league but that's more of what I'm saying it's like I think it's not necessarily like oh we've
59:21got to get Jameson six targets I think it's we got to stop using him incorrectly and so he can still be
59:29a beneficiary of that change that's just a target share difference so again it's not that I'm crucifying him and I'm not
59:36burying him as a wide receiver three it just comes to like I which was also without Laporte too true that's fair
59:44let's go to one last player here Jake who are you wrapping us up with if everybody goes back to our rookie
59:52shows like I miss some players all the time but this is one where if everybody remembers I was on the KC
60:00Concepcion should be on a tier of his own conversation and there was one name I kept drawing his conversation too as
60:08who was also not thought as highly of coming out of college and I drew a lot of parallels between these two
60:16wide receivers and I think that Concepcion just showed what the upside is even in what potentially is the worst passing offense
60:23in the league like there's no question about it that Concepcion can not only just do everything that we need as a
60:31wide receiver for this drop drops get overrated when it comes to wide receivers in general and I'm not saying ignore it
60:39completely but it's not going to destroy players unless you're Eric Ebron back in the so I get the excitement for Boston
60:47being the outside guy but I would rather have Boston an outside guy on a team that has a better quarterback situation
60:55has a better offense and I'll bring up something that I brought up with Concepcion too is that past five years it
61:03probably goes past five years I just pulled the past five years as a look and I don't want to spend 24
61:10hours researching these stats but 100 plus targets and the minimum finish for a wide receiver is top 40 except for three
61:18names Elijah Moore Jerry Judy and Elijah Moore did it twice with two different teams Jets and Browns unfortunately Judy and Elijah
61:26Moore are both on the Browns when these things happen so I get the downside risk of Concepcion but even if he's
61:34only a wide receiver four or five you're not paying much more than that you're potentially buying all the upside with Concepcion
61:42Fitz Concepcion has I need to start getting more of him I'm a 42 not much I mean if you follow the
61:50Cleveland Browns beat writers it is pretty clear that they rolled Yahtzee at wide receiver this year with Denzel Boston and Casey
61:57Concepcion and Concepcion just he moves differently man he is like he is a Percy Harvin type of mover and hopefully he's
62:05not made of glass like Percy was because yeah I a fascinating player and unfortunately in real-time ADP he is up 13
62:13spots over the last 7 days and 6 spots 5.9 half around over the last 24 hours so unfortunately now it's like
62:21a fox hunt where it's just this pack chasing Casey Concepcion he needs to run through a stream or something to get
62:29people off the scent because I have to catch up I did not get him in enough best ball drafts in best
62:37ball season I need to get him in some redraft yeah it's interesting and he's a guy even if the Browns do
62:44have quarterback problems this year he's going to be a short area receiver so that's maybe less of a problem than it
62:52would be for Denzel Boston who's going to be getting more downfield targets I want to just kind of wrap up quickly
63:00with asking you guys are there general patterns you look for when trying to identify league winning players I noticed that half
63:08the names we came up with on this list are wide receivers is that a position you typically look at for league
63:16winning upside is there obviously you guys looked at different ranges of the draft in sort of interpreting the prompt here but
63:24are for and that our listeners can look for in trying to identify their own league winning guys fits any sort of
63:31distinctions you would make between these players or similarities you want to point out I don't know if there are necessarily threads
63:39that run through all these guys like certain key things I key in on it's all in whether by injury whether by
63:47the talent winning out and opportunity to be the number two wide receiver whether whatever it is the offense takes another step
63:55forward whatever these answers are the questions are is the answer can they meyers I used to love you for years but
64:03sorry I don't love you anymore Fitz did you say that you were waiting on the news on Jaden Higgins before we
64:11got two minutes ago as of the time we're recording this obviously people will know this by the time this comes out
64:18torn ACL that's brutal man that is brutal yeah rap report tweeted it literally two minutes ago torn ACL yesterday during the
64:26joint practice against the Raiders so Nico Collins had been talking about this I said pick five random names of garbage players
64:34so we don't ruin them oh that's crushing this is and as you can see on Jeremiah Love and Chuba Hubbard and
64:42all the opposites of the names we mentioned oh hey before we sign off by the way happy birthday worm oh thank
64:50you everyone happy birthday it would have been a happier birthday if we got better news on Jaden Higgins I'm sadly not
64:5821 anymore I am in my mid 30s and we'll leave it at that which is I know that would sound young
65:05to Fitz but to me it feels quite old sounds young to me I start with a four now come on I
65:13appreciate that thank you no way I'd rather spend my birthday than doing a show with you guys here talking some fun
65:21upside players you love talking with the unks that's a happier note to end on than Jaden Higgins so we'll wrap up
65:29there for Fitz and Jake I'm Ryan Warmly thanks everybody for tuning in we'll see you again next time thanks for listening
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