0:00This is an iHeart Podcast. Guaranteed Human. Welcome, everybody.
0:03It's the Fantasy Pro Sunday Night Recap, where we recap all the games that happened today, all of the injuries.
0:09I'm your host, Scott Bogman. I'm joined by Tara Roberts and Dr.
0:13Deepak Jonah. We're going to go over all the stuff that happened in the NFL today for you.
0:19We're going to talk some injuries first, then we're going to move to the storylines and headlines, and then who are we panicking on on the panic meter?
0:28And of course, answer some of your questions before Sunday Night Football.
0:32All starts at the end here. So, Tara, how was your Sunday?
0:36Was it a good one for you? It was a great Sunday as a fan.
0:41Yeah. You know, from a fantasy perspective, got messed up by CD on Thursday, but we persevered on that.
0:47But yeah, as a fan of Green Bay, hello.
0:50That was shocking. Yay! Christian, Jordan Love. Got a nice big win.
0:54And a lot of your guys look good doing that.
0:57And Deepak, the Texans go on the road and get a dub finally and make a trade for Marvin Harrison Jr..
1:04And Junior. So, all kinds of moving and shaking for your Texans.
1:08Yes, sir. We're right back in, man. Super Bowl hunt.
1:11See, this is my fault. I picked the Texans to go to the Super Bowl.
1:16So, I will take the blame for the initial bad start clearly on me.
1:21But maybe, you know, CJ Stroud reuniting with his old, you know, wide receiver.
1:25Maybe we can get something moving. And Harrison obviously needs a change of scenery here.
1:30But let's go ahead and get into these injuries.
1:33It wasn't the worst Sunday ever, but we did have some here.
1:37And let's start with Quinshawn Judkins, Deepak. You know, we didn't hear about this injury in the game.
1:43And then after the game, all the reports are he's in a boot.
1:47So, was there anything you were able to see from this?
1:51Or was this just kind of like a tough one to know about because we didn't see the specific injury?
1:57Yeah, I think it's more of kind of there's no video that shows he clearly got injured at any point.
2:04The concern here is that they had him in a boot.
2:08It's the same side that he had the prior ankle fracture dislocation on.
2:12So, keeping in mind, he's still relatively fresh from that injury.
2:15And it usually takes about 12 months to regain your full kind of explosiveness after that.
2:21So, he's not quite there. That would be December.
2:23With that in mind, we're suspecting a sprain kind of based on the verbiage that's been thrown around so far.
2:30Really just have to follow the practice reports on this one.
2:34Man, that's tough. If Judkins is down, Tara, is there a...
2:37Because Raheem Sanders got banged up too, right, Deepak?
2:40So, is there a Browns running back you trust?
2:43Or is this going to be the Denzel Boston Herald-Fanon show?
2:47I mean, I suppose, in theory, Jaleel McLaughlin is on roster.
2:50I mean, I would wait and see because at least we know with...
2:54I mean, I can't get there. He does have receiving upside, right?
2:58So, let's wait and see. But, I mean, my preference would be if we can have Raheem Sanders.
3:04But, again, that one is... It is gross. But Baltimore up this week.
3:08That's doable. Tennessee after that. So, if this is a long-term issue, yeah.
3:13And Jaleel McLaughlin is the only one on roster?
3:16Then we got to look that way. I mean, he made a bunch of tacklers for the Steelers look silly on Thursday night.
3:23So, you know, still got a little juice left in there, I guess.
3:27Deepak, Dave Montgomery, your guy, went down with a groin injury here.
3:31Woody Marks took over and looked great. So, the pivot is pretty easy.
3:36But this groin injury, is this something that could have been affecting him previously?
3:40Which is why he looks so bad. And now, obviously, he has to miss a little bit of time with it.
3:47To my knowledge, he hasn't really been dealing with anything that's been reported so far.
3:52So, my suspicion is this is a new injury.
3:55The average on these is about one to two weeks.
3:58And most players would miss at least one week.
4:01With that being said, milder forms are ones that sometimes players try to come back same game.
4:07Which is what T. Higgins did last game and then played today.
4:10But with him being ruled out, we would suspect he misses at least a game.
4:15At least that's certainly what the data would favor.
4:18Yeah. And that's just, Tara, that's just wheels up for Woody, right?
4:22It is, yeah. And, you know, hey, you might be thinking that he's not on waivers.
4:27Check it out. 53% rostered in Yahoo League. So, you never know.
4:31Someone might have rage dropped after the Texans have been just performing so horribly.
4:36He looks so much better than David Montgomery. I think there's hope and they really do like him.
4:42So, if he's out there, for sure. Yeah, this is a tough one because I want it like Dave Montgomery looks so washed.
4:49I just wanted this to be something that maybe had been bothering him for a couple weeks.
4:55So, he could come back and look better, but it just does not look good right now.
5:00And then, Deepak, Travion Henderson left with an ankle injury.
5:04Obviously, pretty easy lift to Ramondre Stevenson. And specifically because Corey Kiner also had a fumble in this game.
5:10So, Brable's never going to let him touch the ball again.
5:13Should be all Stevenson if there's no Travion. But how long do we expect Travion to miss with this ankle injury?
5:20Yeah, the concern here is that this may be a high ankle.
5:24So, we're talking in, if that's the case, you're usually a two to three week average.
5:29And sometimes players have quite a production dip when they come back.
5:33So, we'll know a little more to probably get an MRI tomorrow and know totally about the severity.
5:39A little bit reassuring that he was bearing weight on it.
5:43Limping, but bearing weight right away. So, we'll know certainly a lot more after an MRI.
5:48But there is some concern long term with this one.
5:51How does a high ankle sprain affect burst? Because that's like the only tool in the bag right now for Henderson because the vision just is not there.
6:00It's like Trent Richardson vision. So, he's either 30 or 1.
6:0430 or 1. Will the high ankle, when he does come back, affect his burst a little bit?
6:10The burst in a straight line is usually well preserved in that the high ankles really evolved in rotation.
6:16And so, planting and twisting. But obviously, as a running back, you're making all sorts of fast cuts.
6:22So, running backs and wide receivers tend to see the biggest hit from it when they come back.
6:28And straight line burst, as you say, wouldn't be totally affected.
6:31All right. Well, it shouldn't affect him too much when he comes back.
6:36But obviously, we're going to have to know how long.
6:39It is just Stevenson there, right, Tara? No, you're not interested in Corey Kiner or maybe even just more Drake May.
6:46He's looked good the last two weeks. Yeah, that's true.
6:49Boosted Drake May. Ramondre Stevenson has a very nice clear floor.
6:53I would not make the pivot because most of us were not starting Trevion Henderson unless we had to.
6:59So, you don't want to keep going down that road.
7:02How about TJ Hawkinson with the concussion? I mean, I know we've gone over concussions like a million times.
7:08It's eight to nine days typically, correct? Yeah, you're exactly right.
7:12TJ Hawkinson and then I'd throw the other one in there, Casey Concepcion, just both concussions diagnosed today.
7:18Kenyon Sadiq actually as well. So, averages about eight days on these.
7:22Most players, about two-thirds, will miss at least one game with majority returning that second week.
7:27Now, about a third of players, and Jamar Chase showed us this week, do make it through the protocol without missing any time.
7:34So, that's our hope with all of these guys.
7:37But in most cases, they would miss one game come back the following.
7:41Luckily for Hawkinson, bye week next week. So, he should be back no problem.
7:46Casey Concepcion is the one we're looking at that coin flip with.
7:50Is there, I mean, Isaiah Bond got a lot of time today, Tara?
7:54And he looked good. And this would not be the first time he popped, quite frankly.
7:59There were a lot of times last season where he looked better than Jerry Doody.
8:04And like, he should have been the one that was getting more attention in the offense.
8:09So, I definitely think that one would be worth an add for a low-end flex option.
8:15And Will Shipley with this foot injury, Deepak, there are no Eagles players left.
8:19It feels like the line is beat up. The running backs are beat up.
8:24No Devontae. Dallas Goddard just came back. So, how long do we expect a foot injury to shelf Will Shipley, one of
8:31the very few healthy players on the Eagles, before this game?
8:35Yeah, they don't have a lot of info on this one out there.
8:39If we're going with the most common diagnosis, that's going to be a sprain, a midfoot sprain.
8:44And that would be about three weeks on average.
8:47But again, very little info out here. Keep in mind, they called Saquon week to week.
8:53And he, in most cases, would miss at least one more game.
8:56So, we're kind of TBD on both of those players.
9:00Oh, man, Tara. Damian Pierce. I know Jaden Blue is on the practice squad.
9:04Maybe somebody else from a practice squad. They should have picked up Catron Allen when Washington cut him.
9:10What are your thoughts on the Eagles' run game right now?
9:14You would think they would go run out and get a Kareem Hunt.
9:18Something. You would think. Because Damian Pierce, look, a starting running back is a starting running back.
9:23And guys can't turn our nose up to it.
9:26And I do think it's very clear. I know we might have some residual feelings for Blue.
9:32But at the end of the day, probably going to be Damian Pierce that they would try to rely on as an
9:39early down back and a goal line back. And that's the value in the Philadelphia offense.
9:44So, yeah. If they're both out, onward we go.
9:47We saw it with Will Shipley. The touchdown came, guys.
9:51It did. Don't turn your nose up to it.
9:53Yeah, yeah. And that's very true and a good point to make of, like, even if we don't like this guy, he has a role.
10:02And specifically in this offense, that role is likely to score touchdowns.
10:06Trey Harris left with a hamstring injury. Deepak, this one was kind of late in the process here, right about before halftime of that Chargers game.
10:14What are your thoughts on this hamstring injury for Trey Harris?
10:18Yeah, Trey Harris. And I would kind of group Debo Samuel with that as well.
10:23They both had hamstrings today. When you have, like, a sudden moment of hamstring tightness and you feel it in-game and it
10:30stops you kind of in your tracks, usually you're looking at at least that kind of moderate severity grouping of those hamstring
10:37injuries, which averages two to three weeks. So we're, in most cases, looking at multi-week absences.
10:42And then re-injury risk is really the concern, I think, with these guys.
10:46Because if you get re-injured, it kind of bumps you up one level of severity.
10:51And the average on that is somewhere around the 15%, 20% range.
10:55So they're pretty significant when you come back. Yikes.
10:58I mean, Tara, it's Brennan Thompson is down. It's Quentin Johnston is down.
11:02Lad McConkie was active and barely played. Trey Harris is hurt now.
11:06Then we're down to Darius Davis, Marquez Valdez, Scantling, Theo Weiss.
11:10And then on the practice squad is Gary Jennings.
11:13So I guess maybe some tight end action out of the Chargers moving forward if Harris is going to miss time or just no action.
11:21I mean, I can't even get there. It was, I mean, Ronda Gadsden had one target, no receptions.
11:27You would have thought that, you know, with all the wide receiver injuries, they would have turned that direction.
11:33And no, it was a block with a blocking tight end.
11:37And then a little bit Charlie Kolar. So it's really tough to maybe a boost to Keaton Mitchell.
11:42But even then, so it's not as if we saw anything prolific.
11:46But, you know, hey, he got receptions probably more than the receiving core will continue to get at this point.
11:53The last two I had for you, Deepak, was Kenny and Sadiq went down with a concussion, obviously going through Proto again,
12:00seven to nine days, whatever the normal thing is.
12:03And then Roman Wilson with a finger wrist injury.
12:06What are your thoughts on those two? And are there any others that I didn't get to here?
12:12Yeah. Yeah. So Sadiq, I think in general, you would see most players either miss one week or miss zero, more commonly
12:19miss one week and come back to falling without a production hit.
12:23The Roman Wilson injury, they didn't tell us yet.
12:26Like, is it a fracture? Is it a sprain?
12:29Now we're seeing a lot of hand and finger injuries for wide receivers cause a decrease in the production for about three weeks.
12:36And that's obvious, I think by mechanism, just inability to fully grasp that ball with full grip strength.
12:42But with that being said, you know, a lot of them are playing through and so we'll just have to follow the practice reports on this one.
12:51Yeah. Terry, your recommendations for Sadiq. I got to imagine that's Mason Taylor.
12:55Yep. Mason Taylor. They like him. I mean, that was even a risk to Sadiq's volume to begin with.
13:01So, yep. And then on the other end with Roman Wilson, who I was so hopeful for, Jeremy Bernard continues to look good.
13:09So, hey, he took advantage of his opportunities, showed a lot of promise this offseason and preseason.
13:14We thought that might be a little bit of something.
13:18We got Pittman on IR. So, yes, that is 100% one that you really do need to look at.
13:24Yeah, we really should have expected Bernard more than Roman Wilson because he is such a good blocker.
13:30He actually started his in Pop Warner playing offensive line.
13:33So, the dude knows how to block even though he is, you know, a little light.
13:38But dude knows how to block and he's probably going to be out there a little bit more than Roman, especially now because of this injury.
13:47So, all right. I think that is everything, Deepak.
13:50Did we get to all the injuries? We didn't miss anything?
13:53No, didn't miss anything. I would just throw in that Caleb Williams and Lamar Jackson both trending towards potentially coming back this coming week.
14:01Data would slightly favor Saquon missing. And Devante Smith has a good chance of coming back potentially this week.
14:07All right. Get some pieces back for Philly. Please.
14:10We need them. Well, thank you, Deepak. We are going to let you go.
14:15And Tara and I will come back to go over the biggest storylines of week five right after these messages.
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15:03All right, Tara. Time to move on to the storylines for week five as we roll on here.
15:08First up is Marvin Harrison getting traded to the Texans.
15:12The Cardinals getting back a 2027 second and a six going to Arizona.
15:16So this is not something that actually happened, you know, on the field today.
15:21But big, big move here and we obviously need to talk about it.
15:25So what are your thoughts about Marvin Harrison moving on to Houston?
15:29It is best for him. He was out there basically running cardio with Arizona.
15:33And I think it's good for Houston because while we have seen, you know, some of the, it's interesting, right?
15:40Because finally we did actually see a little bit push forward from Jay Leno.
15:44Had a nice day, five receptions, got a touchdown.
15:47Xavier Hutchinson. I think we know who he is.
15:50Xavier or Kayshawn Booty got a nice little catch.
15:53But it never hurts for a team that has a very clear wide receiver one and no true identified wide receiver two,
16:00especially in particular on the outside to go out and see if a talented, you know, well, I know some people think
16:08that there's a little lack of talent with Marvin Harrison Jr.
16:11But former first round pick, a guy who, well, prior to this year has been proven to have spike weeks and put up numbers.
16:19It's just a matter of consistency. Can we get him into a situation where he is utilized to the best of his capabilities?
16:26Can someone help coach him up a little bit to push through some of the flaws that he has?
16:33But it's a better opportunity in Houston than what he was getting in Arizona.
16:37I know that people will give the whole sell high on Marvin Harrison Jr.
16:42If you can. And, you know, realistically, the buy market is probably a little suspect and not really out there, but it
16:49doesn't hurt to try to see if you can get something.
16:53Just because we know at the very least, he clearly will play second fiddle to Nico Collins.
16:58So the opportunity is for him to be a consistent wide receiver two, and he didn't get that in Arizona.
17:05So upgrade for him. But let's not overreact too much.
17:08Yeah, I agree. Right. Like, and I think that's the measured position of Marvin Harrison right now is you kind of you
17:15kind of just have to see what is going to go on with him.
17:20Moving on, because we heard the floor talk about how well he has his role.
17:24Well, his role is running cardio, right? It's like clearing everything out.
17:28So Michael Wilson and Kendrick Bourne and Trey McBride and everybody else can work underneath and a couple of targets a game.
17:36So hopefully the Texans involve him a little bit more.
17:39I wouldn't like this if Jaden Higgins was still around this season, but obviously no Jaden Higgins and they can work out any issues next year.
17:47They're they started one in four now, so they need to get on it.
17:52So getting another target, I think, is a very, very smart.
17:55But yeah, I think, you know, cautiously optimistic is probably the phrase we need to use about Marvin Harrison moving forward here.
18:03Are we officially done with Colson Loveland? That's going to be number two for you here.
18:08Obviously, week one blanked at Carolina. One for three against Minnesota, four for 31 against Philly.
18:13Had a nicer game last week. Nine targets, six catches and 57 yards against the Jets.
18:18And then today, another stinker five for two and 19 yards.
18:22Now, Caleb Williams has been out since week two.
18:25Might be coming back next week. I got another guy I'm going to surprise you with after this.
18:31But tell us about Colson Loveland first. Yeah. And I had a comment that I wanted to show.
18:37I was saving it up. I saw it. So I wanted to give the little shout out there to Chris, who said,
18:44I think it's time to drop Loveland. So I thought we could discuss that as well while we're doing this one right
18:51here, because there has been technical promise. Like there were games where, you know, he was just short of a touchdown.
18:58If the touchdown had been there yet, would have looked like a much better week.
19:03I don't know if we can drop him yet because we're seeing inconsistencies from everyone.
19:08Broma Dunze, Luther Burden. It's not as if anyone has in particular like stepped out and just really stood out.
19:14I mean, even Khalif Raymond, the little pop that he had earlier.
19:18Again, continued inconsistencies. Caleb Williams coming back will get this offense back on track from a pass perspective.
19:24And it's anyone's game. Of course, Ben Johnson is ultimately who is driving the choice of whose game it is.
19:30But Loveland still has the opportunity. And there were several games where it should have been a better stat line in theory.
19:38So I'm not quite dropping him, especially because a lot of our guys that are borderline streaming options are shaky as well.
19:45So unless you really, really have a solid, really dependable option at tight end or, you know, and there's no one else
19:52that's buying in your league, then yeah, I'm not quite at the 100% drop yet.
19:57Yeah, I'm there with you. And look, it's hard for us to sit here and tell you to keep a guy that
20:04has been, you know, a drag on your starting lineup.
20:07So, you know, if you're in a small enough league, if you're in a 10 man toss him, if you're a 12
20:14man with shallow benches and there's a tight end you like out there, I don't hate it.
20:20So obviously it hurts because you spent such a high pick on on Colson Loveland.
20:25But I am OK if you do feel like you need to move on.
20:29But I do think that when he gets Caleb back, there's going to be more consistency.
20:35He's still running a ton of routes. So I think there's something in there.
20:39The guy I wanted to surprise you with in this conversation, Chase Brown, we had a comment.
20:45Somebody saying, hey, look, don't let Chase Brown get away with it.
20:49He's been awful all year and he hasn't been great.
20:52Last week was, you know, two weeks ago and last last week he scored a touchdown.
20:57Before that, he had 80 yards, but it was another bad day today.
21:01He fumbled. P. Ryan got his touchdown. It was just a really bad look.
21:06So what are your thoughts on Chase Brown moving forward?
21:09Is he a guy that you would try to if someone is buying, maybe you trade him or are you just so
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22:54I was low-key hoping for a good day. And I did spring this on you, so I apologize.
23:00Yeah. No, no, it's okay. I was hoping for a good day for a potential sell high because I have been getting
23:07a ton of Chase Brown trade questions in lives over the past couple of weeks.
23:12And I find myself saying, I don't like that side.
23:15The side with Chase Brown for some reason. Because, I mean, at the end of the day, this is a high-powered offense
23:23in theory, but it's high-powered through receptions. And Chase Brown's value comes through receptions.
23:27His efficiency on the ground has been subpar, whether that's him, whether that's the run blocking.
23:32I have not looked close enough into it to really be able to make that determination, but we have consistently seen that
23:39what we were hoping for from him is a fairly safe floor.
23:43And if the floor isn't there, we know he traditionally just doesn't have top five upside because the touchdowns aren't there.
23:50They go through Jamar Chase, and they go through T.
23:54Higgins. So we're looking for a baseline, and the baseline hasn't really been there in a couple of games.
24:00It's not a panic situation, in my opinion, because I think the Samaj P.
24:04Ryan thing was an anomaly, right? And he's still the lead back.
24:08But he's not a buy low for me, quite frankly, because I think the people that have him still hold him to a certain level of value.
24:17It's going to cost too much, yeah. Yeah. The cost doesn't make sense.
24:21So when I'm getting these trade questions, I look at it, and I'm like, just cost-wise, it just doesn't make sense in
24:28terms of spending and giving up that much to get somebody who is subpar performance, and we don't know exactly what it can turn around to.
24:37Yeah. I mean, it's been tough. And I do, like, Samaj P.
24:41Ryan is, you know how Justice Hill will annoy us every once in a while by scoring a touchdown or two, when
24:48you're like, come on, just give that to Derrick Henry.
24:51I feel like that's kind of P. Ryan's role in this offense, maybe a little bit more than that as well.
24:58And when we see him fumble, you know, when we see Chase Brown fumble, then it is a big issue.
25:05So number three here, May is back, right? Two good weeks in a row, 22 to 37, 269 yards, three touchdowns last week against Buffalo.
25:13But today, four touchdowns passing, no interceptions, and a rushing touchdown.
25:16This is the Drake May we thought we were getting.
25:20Dre is all the way back, no question, correct?
25:23Yeah, we're good. Yeah. I mean, there was, I mean, and Vegas's defense has performed decently well this season.
25:29So this is by no means the layup that we've seen in the past.
25:33So for him to put up these levels of numbers, and again, we don't have A.J.
25:39Brown. This wasn't even really Romeo Dobbs. This was him spreading the ball around to Efren Chisholm and various tight ends.
25:45And, you know, it was really, and Kyle Williams, hey.
25:49So yeah. Yeah, finally. It was really good to see him effectively spreading the ball around, utilizing all of his weapons.
25:55And for as much as we ragged on him for the cupcake schedule last season, and the rough start with a much
26:03more difficult schedule to start off the season, the cupcakes are going to hit.
26:07Like, we're hitting the Jets. We're hitting the Chicago Bears, who showed that whatever they had done defensively over the past three
26:14weeks was the poor set of quarterbacks they faced.
26:17That is still the same struggle secondary that we saw all last year.
26:22Miami, Green Bay, injured defense, Detroit. So yeah, we're hitting a nice little month and a half here where we're going to
26:29feel super comfortable with Drake May on a weekly basis.
26:32So any fears we had? Oh, you take a deep breath and say, okay, he's back on track, guys.
26:38Yeah, I think the time to buy him is over.
26:41Like, if you were going to buy Drake May, that is over.
26:45I mean, it was bad. Remember the people that were saying, like, look, I'm dropping him for Tyler Shock in leagues.
26:52We saw people saying that. And it got clipped, so it looked like I said it, by the way, which is not something I said.
27:00But people were done with Drake May. And it's tough.
27:04Specifically, you know, you pay a high price for a guy and they don't perform well to start.
27:09And you start out on three. It's, you know, obviously you're going to be bad about that.
27:15Number four here. Can the Steelers really split touches when Rico Dattel comes back?
27:20Jalen Warren was awesome again today. 15 carries for 101 and a touchdown.
27:24Had a 50-yard touchdown there and an 80-yard receiving touchdown against Indianapolis where D.K.
27:28Metcalf was really blocking well for him down the field.
27:32And last week, 93 yards on the ground, 33 through the air.
27:36Week three when Dattel got hurt. He had another almost 170 yards here.
27:40So Rico is going to come back soon. He almost came back this week, probably back next week.
27:46So what are your thoughts on Jalen Warren moving forward?
27:49And can they really split with Rico? It would be morally corrupt if they did that.
27:54He's on a roll. And I understand that Mike McCarthy had a vision for this offense in terms of utilizing multiple backs.
28:01But I just don't. We know that Rico has, you know, talent.
28:05Right? But I just don't see how you let the hot hand be forced into reduced carries when you've been doing so well with him.
28:13It's been highly effective. So and he just is such a well-rounded back, a three down back.
28:19You don't have to worry about pass protection. And obviously, Rico can block.
28:23But he's nowhere near the level of Jalen Warren.
28:26He's nowhere near the level of what you can do after the catch with Jalen Warren.
28:31So he is just a better back in terms of being a more well-rounded back.
28:36But again, this is Rico Dattel is one of, you know, Mike McCarthy's boys.
28:41And Mike McCarthy is steadily saying, like, we're not making assumptions.
28:44He's saying, no, we're going to get back to getting Rico in there.
28:49He's going to continue to be a part. It's going to be, you know, we're going to keep splitting carries.
28:55And I just I hope that that is not the solution.
28:59But if you possibly have the opportunity to sell high on Warren, you might want to do that.
29:05If you can get that one over on your league mates, because Mike McCarthy could legitimately force it back into a committee.
29:12Man, I just think it would be funny if Rico got usurped in this job because it's exactly what he did to
29:19Chuba at the end of last year in Carolina.
29:22So it kind of be funny because Warren is having these massive games exactly like Rico had when Chuba got hurt.
29:29Last year, the last storyline here for you, Tara.
29:32Are we trusting any Eagles at all? I mean, you did kind of make a case for trusting Damian Pierce to maybe
29:39score a touchdown in a league if you're desperate.
29:42Like, I guess, what are some of the names you're willing to start Damian Pierce over if he is playing next week?
29:49They've got Carolina coming off a bye, by the way, just for reference.
29:53Yeah, it would. I mean, well, because it would be theoretically that David Montgomery range.
29:58But now that he's injured, just think about that range where you say, you know, Travion Henderson.
30:04So I guess probably not a lot of people, honestly, you would start over him in that range.
30:09He'll be in the low end or high end RB3 area falling behind your guys that are actual workhorses.
30:16But then you've got to consider the fact that we've got four teams on a bye.
30:21We saw, you know, what's going on with Quinchon Judkins.
30:24We talked about that earlier. A lot of the RB3s are dealing with injuries.
30:29So, yeah, theoretically, I could see him being someone that you would start as a low end RB2 next week.
30:35Tony Pollard or Damian Pierce? You got me. I don't know who does Tennessee have next week?
30:41I am trying to double check. The Colts. They're at the Colts.
30:45Who just gave up all those yards to Warren?
30:48It might be Pollard still, but that's a tough one.
30:51Yeah, I could go that direction because at least he has a baseline, a nice baseline of carries at least.
30:57TyJ Spears got more snaps than Pollard this week, too.
31:01Not more carries, but he had like nine catches.
31:04Just a weird week as well. All right. Yeah, yeah.
31:07We're going to move on to the panic meters.
31:10So everybody drop in the comments who you are panicking on, and we will give you a one through ten.
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31:54All right. Let's go to the panic meter, Tara.
31:56I put a couple of names in here first.
31:59Tyler Shuck, 16 to 25, 96 yards and two picks against the Vikings.
32:04That was at home. Obviously, the run game is crippled right now, but that has been very, very tough.
32:10What are your thoughts on Tyler Shuck? If it was just this week, I wouldn't be concerned because you can make the
32:17really good argument like, hey, this was a defense situation.
32:20But the last week, somewhat debacle where he did not look bad, but the offensive line clearly could not.
32:26I mean, he was just trying to get the ball out as quickly as possible, almost to the fact that he was
32:34throwing it blind because the blocking was so bad.
32:37And we know it was bad because there was no success on the ground.
32:41So, yeah, we've got some mild concerns, probably like a six at the end of the day.
32:47It still has to be a high volume offense.
32:50I was slightly concerned with this matchup because Kyler Murray can't push enough offensively to force it into a we got to push aggressive pass volume to chase.
32:59So that was my concern that we would get into this kind of weird area where this is just not an ideal
33:06game script for Tyler Shuck extreme volume. So panic meter six on this one.
33:10Yeah, I would say this is a panic meter higher on Tyler Shuck or for any offense playing the Vikings right now.
33:18The five and oh Minnesota Vikings. Yeah, I agree with that one.
33:22The defense is just incredible. The only the only relief you get is that, again, Kyler Murray is just good enough, but
33:29not good enough to make it so that teams are having to like they're scripted out of the game completely.
33:35So, yeah, that's a real defense, though, guys, that it is a real one.
33:40It's working for sure. Our buddy Mark here says Luther Burden.
33:43What is your panic meter on Luther Burden? Again, kind of like I almost said Marquis Colson Colson Loveland.
33:50And that's showing my age here. Colson Loveland, you know, they haven't had their quarterback for the last, you know, two and
33:57a half weeks, two and three quarters weeks since Caleb went down.
34:01So there's part of that in there. But I don't know.
34:04I think there's a little concern for pretty much everybody that isn't Swift.
34:09It's it's more of a so if you make it compared.
34:12Yeah. Right. If you compare it to Romeo Doubs, let's look at.
34:16Yeah, let's contextualize it. Roma Dunes, him and Roma Dunes.
34:19Like I would say Rome is a panic meter eight.
34:23Then comparatively, you know, Luther would be a panic meter three.
34:26Right. Compared to a Colson Loveland, he would be lower in panic meter as well.
34:31So in the context of that offense, at least we've got a consistent baseline of targets.
34:36You know, he's getting six or so. We know that he can be productive in terms of yardage.
34:42We wish that more touchdowns were there. But I have more confidence that he can at least give you the best floor between those three.
34:50So he's the one that I'm not that panicked over in the entire Bears offense in terms of pass catchers.
34:57So like three. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Something low. I agree with you there.
35:01Jalen Waddle from Stevie. Wasn't this supposed to get better with Sean Payton calling plays now?
35:06Davis Webb looking over there like, yeah, yeah. Uh-huh.
35:09You see how easy it is? It's not. It's Bo Nix.
35:13It's Bo Nix. No, no. It's a Bo Nix problem.
35:16Sadly, it really is. The play calling is it's not the issue.
35:20The man has an aversion to certain passes and he loves to check down.
35:25My panic meter is I can't comfortably rank Waddle in the top 20 at all because you're getting all or nothing.
35:31It's just a situation where you don't feel incredibly comfortable.
35:35We saw the Cortland Sutton touchdown and that is the Sean Payton way is you never know on a weekly basis who
35:42is someone will get a, you know, a touchdown.
35:45Someone will be successful. You will never know who it is.
35:48So we're back to that. But we had last year with him and Troy Franklin and, you know, Pat Bryant, Marvin Mims.
35:55You never knew which direction it was going to go.
35:59So I just that my panic meter on Jalen Waddle is a seven.
36:03I genuinely if you can bail out of that situation in general, I would advise it.
36:08And then we have one from Lehigh here. Nico Collins, now that Marv reunites with Stroud, do you have a panic meter
36:15on Nico or because I really don't. I think that's all this can do is kind of help Nico.
36:22I guess if Marv came in and was the guy that we thought he was coming into the NFL just because he
36:29went to a new team, that would impact Nico.
36:32I just don't think we get that from Marv.
36:35So I think that's like a, you know, 3% scenario or something like that.
36:39So I don't have too much worry. But, you know, Lee, I asked the question here.
36:44So it's obviously on some people's minds. Yeah, I don't think it's super high.
36:49I mean, we've seen Nico split with talent, right?
36:52We saw it with a healthy tank down with a healthy Stefan Dix.
36:56So we've seen it's not as if he has been exclusively the wide receiver one unquestioned in the past.
37:02And this is brand new territory. So I'm not panicked.
37:06It could cap the insane upside potential that he has in terms of, oh, the 150 games and whatnot.
37:12But at the end of the day, he's still by far at the best talent.
37:17The only worry you could have is if CJ Stroud has a certain level of favoritism, you know, because, hey, I'm bringing in my boy.
37:25And now we're going to have this connection and I want to help him.
37:29So it's possible that plays a role. But Nico is still the alpha in this offense.
37:35Yeah, I like this comment here, too. If Marv can't beat out Michael Wilson, he ain't beating out Nico.
37:41And I agree with that 100 percent. So, you know, decent question.
37:45I mean, obviously, it's on people's minds. You never know how these new guys are going to interact.
37:51So absolutely, you know, pertinent question there. Let's go on to some questions from everybody.
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38:52All right. Drop those questions in the chat. We have a couple already loaded up here, Tara.
38:58So let me just scroll on back to it and we will start at the top here.
39:03The first one is would you trade away Caleb and Will Caleb and Hubbard, Devante Smith downs for Puka CMC and black.
39:10I have Stafford at quarterback. So Caleb Williams, Chuba Hubbard, Devante Smith, Josh Downs for Puka CMC and black.
39:17I mean, I'm doing that in a heartbeat. Yes.
39:20Yeah. No questions. Yeah. If that's offered to you, pull that trigger immediately.
39:24If you're offering it, I don't think he gets the job done, but you never know.
39:29Ask and see. I think it's probably too low of an offer, but you know, you never know unless you try.
39:36So give it a whirl there. This one. Oh, right before here.
39:40Do I start flowers or Devante Adams this week?
39:43I am still going with flowers. I know the appeal of Adams given the matchup.
39:48We can maybe finally see an uptick. I'm expecting a better game than what we have had with Puka back.
39:54But I still trust Zay flowers more in terms of, I think we talked about this one a little bit in terms
40:01of this being the perfect scenario where Atlanta will force more pass volume because their offense is so good that it's not
40:09going to be, Hey, we can, let's just run Derrick Henry.
40:12Only Derrick Henry, no passes. We're going to keep Huntley at 15 attempts.
40:16Now he's going to have to push upwards a little bit to keep up with Bijon and Drake London because Baltimore's defense
40:24is dealing with a lot of injuries. So I still have, I still have flowers higher.
40:29Yeah. I mean, unless you need like five points to win, you know, they're done and all you need is a floor
40:36and, you know, Zay is sitting at questionable. Then it's definitely say if you need anything more than five points, I'm going to say for sure.
40:44Just because Devante with Puka is different, you know, had the huge weeks, but it should be way better than last week
40:52and it should be way more than five points, but nothing's guaranteed.
40:55Let's see. Even though they're on by next week, should Mason be stashed ASAP?
41:00I did it a couple of weeks ago. So someone cut him in my league because we only have one IR spot
41:07in a big money league that I'm in. Um, so somebody cut him a while back and I immediately stashed him.
41:14I had, I can't even remember who on the IR, but I dropped my IR guy, picked up Jordan Mason and look,
41:21you know, if they were a little more interested in Demond Claiborne or DJ Dallas or giving the ball to somebody else,
41:28then I probably wouldn't be as interested in Jordan Mason.
41:32But Aaron Jones got hurt and left and came back and they still didn't give any snaps to anybody else.
41:38Tara, it was all Aaron Jones still. So it's obviously going to be Jones and Mason when Mason comes back.
41:45And I don't know if Jones can survive another, uh, you know, 25 carries.
41:49Luckily they're on by this week and hopefully, uh, we're going to get Mason back after that.
41:55Yeah. It's just such a, they, they really don't like anyone else in that offense.
42:00And this is not the first time we've seen Aaron Jones get banged up in the game.
42:05It keeps happening. I hope that he holds up, but, um, recent history has shown that might not be the case, especially
42:12when he is getting such aggressive workload. Yeah, exactly.
42:15So, um, yeah, I think if you, if you have, if you can afford Mason right now, I'd go get him, uh, if possible.
42:23Let's see. Uh, what does Bonnie's injury do for marks?
42:26I mean, it opens up everything for marks because kind of like we just said with Minnesota, I don't know that Houston
42:34has another back on the roster that they like outside of Woody, right Tara.
42:38Correct. And they do like Woody a lot. And this has become a split backfield where Woody has functionally looked like the better back.
42:46So, um, and Hey, better days ahead. Now that, uh, the defense is back on track, hopefully cross our fingers that stays and the offense is flowing.
42:55So at least we can get, you know, good game scripts for him to be successful on the ground.
43:01So it pushes him up. If there's no Monty, um, given the injuries, I mean, I, you know, early thoughts would be,
43:08he would probably be, um, a borderline top 20 back.
43:11Yeah, I think so too. I mean, just a really good spot for Woody marks to be in.
43:17If, uh, if Monty is going to miss an extended period of time, uh, mess, messer Grimm says, man, I'm so tired of Hampton and chase Brown.
43:26Not really a question here, kind of a statement, but we've talked about chase Brown, Hampton Tara.
43:32I mean, it's rough right now. I, I just, I think this is foolish, not giving him more carries, but he hasn't looked good.
43:40So. Yeah. I don't know. I, I, I don't think he's looked necessarily so bad that we would say he shouldn't be
43:47getting any carries because no one else in particular.
43:50I mean, the offense, when they give him a chance, I would say that he is deserving of being the lead back.
43:57Um, but they've made it very clear that philosophically they believe this should be a committee and I don't think that they're going to change it.
44:05And I'm not entirely sure why. I mean, they trust Kamani Vidal on third downs and they're taking, they're not, you know, putting Hampton in that way.
44:14So, I mean, it's just like, they're trying anything and everything to get more bodies involved and try to get more offense.
44:21And the solution is probably just, I don't know, man, use Maury and Hampton.
44:26Yeah. It's very frustrating. I totally get it. The only reprieve we have is that at the very least, his job can't be fully stolen.
44:34So there's just a baseline there that you have to work with.
44:38Doesn't fully have it. Can't get fully stolen. Right.
44:41Um, one says Hampton or Lloyd. I'm tired of the Chargers RB situation.
44:45So, uh, would you go Hampton or Lloyd there?
44:48I am still not one. Lloyd got the two touchdowns.
44:51So that's very appealing, but it was also like what tank carries for 30 yards.
44:56So it wasn't exactly like he was just like, um, absolutely killing it on the ground and dominating.
45:02They were playing from ahead. There's still a pass happy offense.
45:06And I do not think that the offensive line, um, and they're trying to functionally work with it as it is.
45:12Right. But, um, the offensive line is not putting the running backs in a best, um, case scenario for them to succeed on the ground as well.
45:21So for him to have gotten what he did in this game, I think was a miracle.
45:27So he'll move up into a more trustworthy area of rankings.
45:30I would still go Hampton over Lloyd. I know that you're tired of it.
45:35You know, I get it. But if you think you're tired of Hampton, wait, wait till you get tired of Lloyd.
45:42Yeah. Those touchdowns didn't come. Hmm. All right. We're about to get kickoff for Sunday night.
45:47So we're going to rapid fire a couple here.
45:50Uh, do I trade away Malik wait neighbors and Woody marks to get JSN?
45:55Yes, I could do that. I would do that too.
45:58Uh, let's see. Given the volume for neighbors today and the injury to Montgomery, would you trade away Malik neighbors?
46:04Oh, that's the same one. My bad. Uh, let's see when Nico gets dinged up and misses another game or two, will
46:11it help Marvin from my guy, Jack Boyce? Hmm.
46:14You know, that's a very good point. Um, because he would, you know, theoretically step in.
46:20And yeah, Nico gets dinged. So it's a good point to make.
46:24So, uh, yeah, I would say yes, Jack. Absolutely.
46:26Uh, let's see the next one here. Uh, I think that's the same one.
46:31My bad. I was just clicking all of them.
46:34Uh, let's see. Oh, sorry. Oh, go ahead. Will AJ, will AJ Brown be back?
46:39Let's go. Yeah. It's right around the corner guys.
46:42So if you're, um, yeah, get prepared for this one.
46:45Um, we did, you know, it's been a while since we talked about it with Deepak, but he, you know, there will
46:52be some regression when he comes in. Cause there's gotta be a ramp up to a normal workload, but given the way
46:59that Drake may is looking, feel optimistic. They did say that Nick, that AJB would be back very soon.
47:06So it seems like it's right around the corner potentially this week.
47:10So keep your eye on it. Let's see. Uh, who, what do I do with Jalen hurts in an eight man league?
47:17Drop T laws on the waiver wire. From Michael.
47:20Oh, I would much rather start Trevor. I mean, he's been ranked above him.
47:24So yeah, I know you're probably optimistic because Jalen has the rushing upside and whatnot.
47:29No. Yeah. I would start Trevor all day, every day, but I wouldn't be aware there's a bye week coming up right around the corner.
47:37Yes. Yeah. Trevor Lawrence, um, scored nine rushing touchdowns last year too.
47:41Hasn't gotten on that horse this year, but it's in there.
47:45Uh, let's see two more. Who can I target to try to move Waddle and Loveland in a, as a package?
47:52That's a, that's a buy low package right now.
47:55It is. That's tough. Maybe a Matthew golden. That could theoretically be.
47:58Yeah. Just, I feel like that one would be interesting that someone would be willing to flip value Waddle more at the
48:06very least than you throw Loveland in. I could see it.
48:09Yeah. Maybe if they have a decent tight end, you bring, you drag whoever they're starting tight end is back in that deal as well.
48:17Something like that. So, uh, yeah. Okay. Uh, good poll in the middle there.
48:22And then would you trade McCaffrey lamb likely and, uh, I'm sorry, would you trade get this up on the screen?
48:29Come on. Would you trade McCarthy lamb and likely for chase Jamar chase, chase Brown and Travion Henderson.
48:35I don't think I would. I think I would keep McCaffrey lamb and likely.
48:39Yeah. Yeah. I mean, likely he's getting like 12 targets a game right now.
48:44So, um, and McCaffrey is the man like him and chase kind of even out.
48:49I would rather have lamb over chase Brown right now.
48:52And Henderson's hurt. So I would stick with what you have there, John.
48:56So, uh, that is going to do it for us today.
49:00Let me remind you guys, uh, that, um, to thank you for spending some time with us tonight.
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