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0:04Grainger, for the ones who get it done. ECR vs.
0:07ADP. The Expert Consensus Ranks vs. The Average Draft Position.
0:10What does it mean? Well, sometimes there's some big differences, and that's what we're going to be doing today in this battle,
0:16or at least identification, of these players that have a rank or an ADP that is higher than the other.
0:22And the way that we are going to tackle it is a little bit different than we've done before.
0:28The Expert Consensus Ranks obviously is a grouping of 100 to 200 plus rankers.
0:32I, and which you can do as well, watching, you can do a little identifier like I did, where we're going to
0:38hone this in to actually the top 20, the top 20 most accurate rankers in the Expert Consensus rank, and we're going to battle that versus ADP.
0:46Now why is that relevant? Because we have last year's most accurate ranker from the in-season, Justin Boone from Yahoo Sports, who's going to be joining us.
0:54It's me and Erickson. I'm Welsh. That's Andrew Erickson.
0:56The most accurate ranker in the land, Justin Boone.
0:59That is the perfect person that we could bring on for ADP vs.
1:03ECR. So Justin, again, congratulations, and how are you, man?
1:06I'm doing well. I mean, you're saying that we're using the top 20 rankers for this show.
1:11I would argue we only need to use the number one ranker, but that's your choice.
1:15We could definitely go top 20 if that makes the show a little better.
1:19But no, I'm always excited to jump on with you guys.
1:23It's super fun, and this is a great time of year to do it, right?
1:27I love talking this stuff over. Things are changing so much right now.
1:31News coming out of practice. We're seeing a lot of injuries this month, which I feel like in the last couple of
1:37years, I don't didn't seem like we had that many injuries like this out of coming out of practices, you know in
1:44August, but that's the way it is. So we're keeping an eye on that.
1:48We're keeping an eye on preseason games and we're adapting and updating the rankings along the way.
1:53Erickson, we're going to change this to the JBC, uh, CR, the Justin Boone consensus ranks is how we're going to be
1:59doing this episode if you're ready, but how this works.
2:02So ECR again, it's like all of the rankers that are in there.
2:06Uh, but a feature that you can do when you're checking out ECR is you can like hone it in.
2:12You could just say like, well, I just want to see the consensus rank of the top 10 people or the top 20.
2:18So I honed it in a little bit and we are going to be taking the top 20 most accurate rankers.
2:24And then we are going to be battling that versus what the ADP looks like.
2:29And that is going to create where there are some pretty big discrepancies Erickson.
2:33Uh, surprisingly, like there are some guys that one that even has like a 10 spot difference between their ADP and where they're being ranked in consensus.
2:41So this is a fun experiment using some of the fantasy pros tools Erickson that we've got and just, you know, some
2:47common terms that people are used to of average draft position versus where people are ranking.
2:52That's always the battle, right? Yeah, it's pitting the experts, the so-called experts in the comments where all these experts versus the marketplace.
2:58It's like, well, this is where people are actually drafting these certain players and picking sides of do we actually agree with
3:05our colleagues, the other experts, or are we men of the people, right?
3:09No, I am following the herd. I'm going with the ADP here.
3:12So it'll be an interesting conversation. And Justin Boone is the perfect guest to have on.
3:17Perfect guest, perfect guest, our top accuracy guy. And again, this is going to be taking sides.
3:22So the battle here is going to be ECR versus ADP.
3:25Both of you fine gentlemen are going to be picking which side you buy, which is either going to be the high or the low.
3:32We're going to start with running backs, go to wide receivers, and then a little sprinkle of quarterback and tight end that we're going to be tackling today.
3:40If you guys want to follow along, obviously check out the ranks page, fantasypros.com slash NFL slash rankings.
3:46You can just type in your search bar fantasy pros ranks, take you in there for we're doing this versus half PPR.
3:52You can do the same thing with the ADP.
3:55But a cool thing about the ranks page is not only will it show you, you know, the names, the ranks, it'll
4:01show you kind of the volatility of upside versus bust.
4:04But there's a nice little thing on the side that says this player is positive or negative versus ADP.
4:09So it's just kind of set there for you.
4:12And that is going to start us off in the running backs.
4:16The first running back ECR versus ADP is Brees Hall.
4:18Brees Hall coming in as the expert consensus 14th running back.
4:22And again, I just want to reiterate this one more time because if you go to ECR, you could see slight differences.
4:28This is what the top 20 most accurate rankers from last year have Brees Hall as is their 14th RB.
4:34The ADP is three spots higher. So this is ECR 14 versus ADP 17.
4:38I kind of feel like there's a little bit of question volatility of the three running back thing.
4:43There's the injury that's looming out here. So this is an interesting one.
4:47So, Justin Boone, why don't you start us off?
4:50Brees Hall, ECR or ADP? It's ECR for me.
4:52I have them exactly RB 14 in my rankings.
4:55And really, I was a little more excited about him before this injury.
4:59And I think the talk was that we were going to go away from this being more of a committee like we
5:05saw last year and like we've seen sometimes in the past there.
5:08And that this was finally going to be the year where they were going to put a little more on him, let
5:15him take on more of a workhorse role. And that's got to get you excited because this is a back that we've seen him do this before.
5:23We have seen him step up, put up quality fantasy seasons.
5:26I know it seems like a long time ago going back to like his rookie season when he was a top 10
5:32fantasy back over the first seven weeks before he tore the ACL.
5:36And then we've kind of had a mix since then.
5:39He comes back the next year. He's the RB six and fantasy points per game in 2023 did a lot of that
5:45at the end of the season, the final month.
5:48He was the second highest scoring back behind only CMC.
5:51And that got you really excited. It was like Brees Hall's back.
5:54We're going to go into 2024. He's going to make it happen.
5:58And then since then, it's just been kind of a downward slide.
6:01Right. And part of that's been the quarterback situation.
6:04Part of that's been the Jets just haven't been a very good team.
6:08I think we can all admit that even Jets fans would probably agree with that.
6:12But now this guy's still 25 years old. He's not old.
6:15We know he has that elite upside if he can stay healthy.
6:19And you hate to see the injury in the preseason here.
6:22You hate to see him missing time. It sounds like he will be back, you know, if not for week one, though,
6:28it seems like week one is likely then very, very early, maybe week two or something like that.
6:33This is not going to keep him out for a while.
6:37But whenever that injury seal gets broken, you're a little bit concerned, right?
6:40Could there be an aggravation? Could there be some sort of like cascade injury where he's compensating and then he ends up hurting himself in a different way?
6:49So all those things are there. But when you get to the range that he's going in, like my question is, who
6:55are you bumping above him or below him? Like in that area, to me, he really belongs around RB14, RB15, because the
7:01guys below him have just as many red flags or question marks.
7:05The guys that are below him, by the way, as I pull this in here, or I guess that are like 14 is Josh Jacobs on this.
7:13The guys that are above him, Jeremiah Love is still there and Javante Williams.
7:17So Josh Jacobs, Jeremiah Love, Javante Williams are all flowing in there.
7:20So one other thing I'd ask you, Boone, is what do you think is the driving force of the ADP difference?
7:26Let's not use injury because I don't know if injury has adjusted the ADPs or anything like that enough.
7:32It's either got to be the lack of offensive support just as a Jets player or the three running back system.
7:38What do you think drives the ADP? Because this is one of those where experts are liking him more than any draft person is.
7:45And he continuously falls. We see that every single year.
7:48Not that three spots feel significant, but it's significant enough to go from 14 down to 17.
7:53What do you think the main, if you had to pick one driver of why people aren't pushing the button on Brees Hall versus what experts are saying?
8:01Probably recency bias, what he's done the last couple of years, like RB 18 and fantasy points per game in 2024, RB 21 last year.
8:08So more like the range that ADP has him in at the moment.
8:12It's a bit of a projection to look at him and say, hey, this year could be better.
8:17This could be a bit of a bounce back.
8:20Maybe the Jets are actually a little better because I would argue that that offense, though we tried to talk ourselves into
8:26it before in the last couple of seasons this year, they bring in Geno Smith, hopefully you just give them average quarterback play.
8:33They don't need a superstar there. They brought in some other names.
8:37Now you look at the skill position talent that they have, you know, around Brees and in that offense.
8:42Talk about Garrett Wilson, AD Mitchell. We're getting a lot of buzz about him having a connection with Geno Smith.
8:48I think Kenyon Sadiq at tight end is somebody that everyone's forgotten about.
8:52A first round rookie who's also dealing with an injury.
8:55So he's not out there to get that preseason and that training camp buzz, but he's going to be back early in the year.
9:02He's going to be a factor in this offense.
9:04Hopefully Omar Cooper Jr. Comes along at some point.
9:07It seems like his launch is a little delayed here.
9:10It might take him a little longer to get going in this offense.
9:14But I think you can tell yourself a story that this team is much better this year.
9:18They're more competitive and that would help Brees Hall, obviously, because taking a running back on a team that looks like they're
9:25going to be one of the worst in the league that often doesn't work out for fantasy.
9:30That's normally not a great situation. I'm still scared about the Frank Reich of it all.
9:34I don't know how many people are worried about that when it comes to ADP and more casual drafters, but Frank Reich
9:41is the offensive coordinator is one thing that kind of keeps me in check.
9:45Really this range though. Like I said, it's so tight.
9:48Like when you talk about him, you talk about Jeremiah Love was also dealing with an injury that could keep him out
9:54early in the season could linger even a high ankle sprain.
9:57That's not something you want to hear from a running back guys like Travis H and guys like Deandre Swift, people that are splitting backfields.
10:05Like we'll see what happens with the Alvin Kamara injury.
10:08But like I said, there are other kinds of warts on these backs in that range that you can't feel super excited about them.
10:15You can still look at Brees Hall though and say, man, he's not that old.
10:19There's a chance that he could really get it going still.
10:22And we've seen him do it before. Andrew Erickson.
10:25Hey there hat brother. What do you think hat brother?
10:28They're ECR 14 versus ADP 17. What side are you on for Brees Hall?
10:32I am also on the ECR side here. I also have him ranked right around this range.
10:37And I know Walsh, you said that the ADP isn't being impacted by the injury.
10:41I think it is because when you're in a real life draft, drafting these players and you see a player with the
10:48injury tag next to them, I think that causes you from a mental standpoint to be a little gun shy.
10:53I meant more of the numerical, like the 17 ADP.
10:56I don't think we have gotten the push of it, but I agree that- Oh, so you don't think that's even impacting the injury?
11:03So you think it could go even further down?
11:06No, no. I just don't think that ADP has had an- I don't think the injury has had enough time for ADP to be impacted.
11:13I'm not saying it's not being impacted. You know how like sometimes it can take a couple weeks for- Stefan Diggs still
11:20has not adjusted to like ADP based on where he's being ranked.
11:23I'm more just saying I don't think we've seen enough.
11:26There's been enough time since the injuries happened to see ADP have him fall even further.
11:31That's all. But I completely agree. Like the injury tag affects ADP.
11:34And that's more of a- that's more of like a real-time ADP thing, which by the way, I was looking to see
11:41if we've seen any real-time ADP adjustments. And I'm gonna have to keep looking because I'm not seeing Brees Hall here, but keep going on.
11:48Yeah, no adjustment on real-time ADP. Okay, so he's still around 17?
11:51Yeah, he's still 17. So we haven't even seen him fall further.
11:55So maybe I'm wrong. I just don't think there's been enough time since the injury to see ADP him drop, you know,
12:01two more spots or anything like that. I think it points to, and Boone mentioned this, the range of other running backs he's going in, right?
12:09This is the coined RB dead zone rounds three, four, five, six.
12:12And although the dead zone has changed in recent years, it's basically just the running backs that if we felt really good
12:19and confident about Brees Hall, he'd be going into round one and two, right?
12:23It's like the next tier running backs where it's like, okay, you can make the case, but you also have all these holes that you can poke.
12:31Obviously, Brees Hall plays for the New York Jets.
12:33He has a groin injury. These are the red flags that he's accompanying him when we're drafting him or looking to consider him in 2026.
12:40But I agree with Boone with the upside case for Brees Hall as a player once upon a time was viewed as
12:47a top five locked and loaded fantasy football running back, a three down skill set, an elite receiver out of the backfield.
12:53That's how you unlock a ceiling with running back.
12:56So when you look at RBs that can beat the dead zone, it's guys that catch passes and Brees Hall is attached to a non-mobile quarterback.
13:03So I know that we all get concerned about, well, hey, Chan, like he's going to catch enough passes from Malik Willis.
13:10Brees Hall is going to catch a ton of passes from Geno Smith, like a 35 year old quarterback who is a statuesque pocket passer.
13:17Yes, we have concerns about Frank Reich, but we know Frank Reich's not going to be running Geno Smith in any way, shape or form.
13:24If anything, he'll invite more running back dump off passes to Brees Hall out of the backfield.
13:29So I think that if you are betting on upside, Brees Hall is still the pick here.
13:34And that's why I also have him closer to the ECR than the ADP.
13:38And let's look at it this way. Like there was talk last year that the Chiefs might have been interested in trying
13:45to trade for Hall before the deadline and that they couldn't figure out on the compensation.
13:49And so it never happened. And then I was hopeful that he was going to leave New York and free agency, obviously
13:56signs the contract and he sticks around. What if he did end up going to the Chiefs, whether through trade or he
14:02ends up signing there in the off season? Wouldn't we kind of be looking at him like almost how we're looking at Kenneth Walker right now?
14:10Like, wouldn't he be going in the second round at least maybe at the one turn?
14:14Like that lends itself to what you were just saying, Erickson.
14:18Like, I think that is totally a realistic outlook.
14:20If he had gone to a team like the Chiefs in a backfield like that, I also think we should just mention
14:27quickly and we're kind of hinting at it. But after the second round, there is a big drop off in terms of
14:33like how confident you feel about the running backs you're drafting.
14:36And then the next one comes and it's even bigger at that point in my mind at the end of like the
14:43fifth round, maybe it sneaks into like the early sixth.
14:46But by the end of the fifth, there is like a cliff that happens there.
14:50And any running back you're getting after that has massive, massive concerns.
14:53Will some of them turn out and be good?
14:56Yeah, of course. But when I'm kind of looking at drafts and where I want to get running backs, that's another reason
15:02why I'm trying to go running back heavy. I like to grab at least one, but often two in the first two rounds.
15:09Would you guys agree that in full PPR, Brace Hall would be a little bit higher in your rank?
15:15Just you don't have to do a big breakdown, but would you agree he's like slightly or is it the same?
15:21It would probably be similar for me. Okay, similar.
15:23Okay. I did find one anomaly. You guys can check out real time ADP.
15:28We've got it on Fantasy Pro. So just type in Fantasy Pros, real time ADP or real ADP will get you there.
15:34That will show you 24 hour changes in ADP or seven days.
15:37There was no half PPR change in Brace Hall, but he did drop over two RV spots in full PPR in the
15:44last seven days on real time ADP. So that's where we're seeing the drop on Brace Hall.
15:49Maybe that is more, I would guess that's more injury relevant.
15:52And by the way, dropped down to 17 in full PPR.
15:55So he was a little bit higher. So I kind of thought that was interesting if you're taking a look at that.
16:02All right, let's go into the next running back here.
16:04This is ECR 20 versus ADP 24. Erickson, this is gonna be an interesting one for you.
16:09This is Travion Henderson. Travion Henderson being ranked higher by rankers.
16:13Again, top 20 rankers have him as the 20th RB, but he is going at RB 24.
16:18Erickson has done no favors to his value after talking to beat reporters and screaming about Ramondre Stevenson being the number one back.
16:24So I kind of think I know where we're going to go with this, but Erickson, we'll start with you.
16:30ECR versus ADP Travion Henderson. Which side? Just like I was at Patriots training camp amongst the crowd, no media credentials.
16:36I'm a man of the people when it comes to Travion Henderson.
16:40So I'm going with the ADP rank of him, which is a lower than the ECR at RB 20, RB 24.
16:46I actually have Henderson even lower than the ADP because peek behind the curtain.
16:50I have this giant document for everything fantasy football related on my computer.
16:54The number one thing, just the first thing I put in at the beginning of the season.
16:59First thing in my notes, Ramondre Stevenson isn't going away anytime soon.
17:02That is the first thing that I made a note of after the season ended.
17:06Yeah. And it still hasn't changed. He was better than Travion Henderson last year, averaged more fantasy points per game last year.
17:13Henderson averaged 8.6 fantasy points per game when Stevenson was healthy.
17:16The three games that Stevenson missed, Henderson scored 14 more fantasy points per game.
17:20Like those were the monster performances that we remember the upside case for Henderson.
17:24They all came for the most part when Stevenson was not in the lineup.
17:28But Ramondre in the second half of the year, RB seven in points per game after week 13 throughout the postseason, 15.4 points per game in half PPR.
17:36I mean, the guy was a low end fantasy RB one.
17:40And I get that he's not the sexy, explosive second round pick that the Patriots drafted in 2025, but he's a player
17:46that this team is in love with. He fumbled the ball so many times last year and he continued to get opportunities
17:52and credit to the Patriots coaching staff. They didn't give up on him.
17:56And he proved that they were right because of the second half turnaround he had when he finally got healthy.
18:02He was fifth and explosive run rate last year, missed tackle rate yards after contact per attempt.
18:07He was number one in rushing yards over expectation.
18:10So he was really good last year. And I think that he's being faded for the wrong reasons.
18:15I get Stevenson or the Henderson is the sexy piece of this backfield.
18:19But for me, it's Stevenson is going to be the RB one.
18:22And don't be surprised when we see the Patriots take the field against the Seahawks and Ramondre Stevenson is out there for
18:29the majority of the first drive in the snaps for the most of the season, at least to start the year for sure.
18:35Mr. Justin Boone, another interesting thing when you look at real time ADP, we actually are also seeing a tiny bit of a slide.
18:42So if I do you one more, if his ADP is 26 and the top 20 rankers have him at 20 ECR or ADP, which side?
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20:16So I have, I'll answer it with this. I have Henderson at RB27 and I have Stevenson at RB26.
20:21And I would like to say, like Erickson, that I was on this all offseason.
20:26I was not. I have been dragged kicking and screaming towards the Ramondre side.
20:30I thought we would see a full offseason. We would see Henderson just slowly win this coaching staff over.
20:35We've seen that before with young, talented backs that have high draft capital that are explosive.
20:40And little by little, they get more comfortable in the offense and they take over the backfield and the veteran can stick around and still be involved.
20:48But they end up being the more valuable fantasy asset.
20:51I'm not convinced that's going to happen here. And really, it just comes down to everything we've heard out of New England,
20:57like from the coaching staff to the beat writers, everyone is saying that what Erickson saying here, that Stevenson is still that
21:04guy and that the things that they've challenged Henderson to do to be better in pass pro, to be a better between the tackles runner.
21:11He hasn't proven that to them yet. So they're going to continue to go with the guy that they trust with the veteran back in Stevenson.
21:18Will it be a 50, 50, 55, 45 kind of split?
21:22Maybe that's why they're so close and they're both going to have value.
21:25And I think this offense in general is going to be much better.
21:29You bring in the weapons at receiver, AJ Brown, Romeo Dobbs.
21:32They're going to be better through the passing game.
21:35They saw a ton of stacked boxes last year.
21:38Now having those weapons downfield, that's going to force defenses to respect them a little more.
21:42So this backfield is going to have success. But I do think that it's going to be Stevenson, who is the guy
21:49that probably has the better fantasy season this year.
21:51And he's still going as the cheaper back between the two.
21:55So I've drafted him a lot more. I will say early in the season, though, they have a very tough schedule for fantasy backs.
22:02They got to go up against Seattle, which we've mentioned.
22:04Tough run defense there. The Steelers, the Jags. So could get off to a bit of a slow start.
22:10If you remember the playoffs last year, Ramondre was leading the way, but they were going up against like difficult run defense
22:16after difficult run defense, as normally happens in the playoffs.
22:19And Ramondre was getting more work, but Ramondre wasn't having big fantasy games during those weeks.
22:24So keep that in mind. This backfield might start slow, but I do still think that Stevenson is the way to go for fantasy.
22:31And I don't really want to get involved with Henderson and pay up, even though there are still paths towards him returning
22:37value towards him ending up as the guy. It probably mostly involves Stevenson getting hurt, but there are still paths for him.
22:44It's just very risky where you have to take him.
22:47So interesting. The Henderson just narratives we've had from last year to early season to where it's moved to Ramondre.
22:52I've been a Ramondre guy as well. And you can see ADP real-time ADP is at 26 right now at RB 24
22:59is what you see on standard top 20 rankers have them at 20.
23:03I mean, it's kind of all over the board.
23:05There's a lot of different narratives to go with.
23:08So we'll see if there's some changes in the top 20 most accurate rankers from last year, or if they're just wrong
23:14in public sentiment is more of the place to go at 26.
23:18One more running back to hit here. Probably the most popular, no longer a sleeper.
23:22He's graduated from sleeper. Jonathan Brooks. Nobody has been more polarizing in the wanting to draft him range and his ADP.
23:28It's it's high rising the ADP that I've got.
23:31I'll give you real-time ADP in a second, because if we're being frank, this is going a lot higher.
23:36It shows up at 35. So that's a top three running back, a flex running back, if you will, versus an ECR.
23:43That's got him at 39. And again, top 20 rankers got him at 39.
23:47I'll give you updates on what the full looks like in any real-time ADP.
23:51But ECR versus ADP, 39 versus 35, top three running back versus a fourth running back.
23:56Justin Boone, where are you at with Jonathan Brooks, ECR or ADP?
23:59I'm on the ADP side, and I'm even higher, though.
24:02I thought that we would be talking about his ADP being much higher, because in the drafts that I'm in right now,
24:08he goes even higher than RB29 most of the time.
24:11And I kind of got like, I don't know if lucky is the right word, but I put out a video on
24:18him from one of our shows, and it was me talking kind of like I just did about the Henderson-Ramondre thing, where I had bumped Brooks over Hubbard.
24:26And then 24, 48 hours later, we find out about the Hubbard injury, and then everyone is like, all right, Brooks now is the guy.
24:33Let's go get him. He's going to have a great season.
24:36I still have some reservations about that. So that's why it feels weird that I'm going to sit here and like argue
24:43the higher side, because they have the toughest schedule for fantasy backs this year.
24:47I still think once Hubbard's healthy, he's going to be involved.
24:50But I get why the crowd is so excited about this.
24:53It's a great story coming back from the ACL tears and still being a young back that could have a great career and could emerge in this offense.
25:01So all of that is there. I also think when it comes to like the ADP like that, every fantasy manager wants
25:08to get that next breakout, that next sleeper type guy, especially when it's a young player, young player with a great story.
25:14So I feel like everyone is on board here wanting that hype just pushed up, and that's getting him into a range
25:21where even I haven't been taking him because I've seen him go off the board as the RB25, RB26 in some recent drafts.
25:27So for me, I guess I'm ahead of things and I'm with the ADP side, but I'm not 100% convinced that he
25:34is going to have this breakout season and be that true difference maker for fantasy in part because the offense, the offensive
25:40line injuries they're dealing with, the schedule that they have to go against.
25:44So him coming back and just making a decent fantasy season, just being part of this backfield would be an awesome story, right?
25:51To come back from those injuries. Anyways, I'm not expecting him to come back and turn into a top 12, top 15 kind of back.
25:58I'll say though, I think hidden in there was a little bit of wanting to say ECR because by the way, if
26:04you haven't picked up on it, ECR versus ADP is also kind of a like, are you comfortable with him?
26:10What level are you comfortable with him at? You didn't seem quite sold even on like where his cost is going.
26:16So maybe there's a little bit of like you're wanting the discount because there are some inherent risk that's flowing out there.
26:23And by the way, the real-time ADP, it is adjusted and I'm doing this, but because the standard ADP, if you go
26:29to fantasy pros, you're, you're seeing what I'm telling you, but the new ADP has got them up at RB 30.
26:35So he has moved up. It's like 10 spots, nine, 10 spots higher, probably going to flow a little bit higher.
26:41So when he gets into 28, there's a little bit of a question of like, yes, this is where we have him ranked.
26:48But like, are you concerned with some of the risks?
26:51So Erickson, I know you've been a big Jonathan Brooks guy.
26:54When he was going in the thirties and forties, I think we all felt comfortable with what we potentially get, but now
27:00you are going to be paying closer to costs.
27:03Real-time ADP is 30. The ADP of battling against is 34.
27:06ECR down into the late thirties. What side are you ECR ADP?
27:10I'm also on the ADP side. I think the ECR is just generally lagging.
27:14I think that we should be really excited about Jonathan Brooks.
27:17He has a clear pathway to becoming the number one running back and cementing his status as the top running back for
27:23the Carolina Panthers for the entire 2026 season. Trevor Hubbard has a hamstring injury.
27:28These things tend to linger. And if he tries to come back too quick, he's not blind to what the Panthers are doing here.
27:34He doesn't want to lose his job again, like he did last year to Rico Dattel.
27:39But if he tries to come back too quick, he retweaks the hamstring injury.
27:43And then it's just back to the Jonathan Brooks show.
27:46So I understand the concerns about Brooks where again, the torn ACLs, he has not played that much at the NFL level,
27:53but when he has been, I've been encouraged by what we've seen from him in the preseason and during the NFL regular
27:59season with how he's been used in the first preseason game.
28:02He played 80% of the snaps of the starters that suggests to me, Hey, this is a guy that's going to probably
28:09play the majority of snaps for his offense. And he's a pass catcher.
28:12Again, talking about the running backs that were concerned about how do they beat their ADPs?
28:17They're receiving threats. He has run 13 routes, not that much combined between the NFL regular season and preseason.
28:23He has four targets on 13 routes. That's a 31% target rate.
28:26Look at Bryce Young can't see over his offensive lineman.
28:29He's going to be checking it down to his running back out of the backfield.
28:33And that is Mr. Jonathan Brooks. So I get that there's some concerns about the Panthers offensive line.
28:39It did not look good in the preseason, but they also didn't have their starting guards.
28:43So I do think that they'll be okay. And they do have some depth at tackle just in case they don't get any of their main guys back.
28:51They did address that in the draft and through a free agency.
28:55I mean, he's only 23 years old and understanding that the season long schedule is tough for Jonathan Brooks.
29:00It's not tough in week one against the bears, right?
29:03Like, like we're going to see potentially Jonathan Brooks victory laps all over the place.
29:08If he has a monster week one against Chicago bears, and maybe it's a sell high opportunity.
29:13It's like, right, I can get like a stud running back for one good game of Jonathan Brooks.
29:18Great. Maybe he's a player we're talking about as a sell high after week one.
29:22But I think that he's definitely a player that every draft I go into, I'm thinking, okay, where does this home site platform have Jonathan Brooks in ADP?
29:30And I would draft him one round ahead of where he's going, because I think that the sites still have him buried,
29:37which is why we're seeing it's still so low here and why ECR maybe isn't catching up.
29:42So that's kind of my approach with Jonathan Brooks.
29:44I think that he should be part of your draft plan, but just be price sensitive and figure out, okay, where am I drawing the line?
29:52Where will I not? I'm not going to draft Jonathan Brooks in round four.
29:56Okay. That's not happening for me, but round six.
29:59Yeah. Like I'm okay with taking him there. And I think that you should go through the exercise as well, trying to
30:05figure out, okay, where am I comfortable bringing Jonathan Brooks up?
30:08Which running back tier? Because I think that especially if you go receiver heavy, I think he fits some of these wide
30:15receiver heavy builds as a running back can get in the middle rounds.
30:18Really interesting note. Um, cause I completely agree with you on the receiving side, his real-time ADP and PPR full PPR is lagging.
30:25It's actually at 33 it's gone up, but it is lower than the half PPR.
30:29Maybe some to like, you know, predominant amount of people.
30:32The new standard is like half PPR, but in where he could thrive in a full point per reception, he is three
30:39spots lower than what the ADP is. So interesting ECR versus ADP debates.
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31:20Let's jump to wide receivers, ECR versus ADP. There's a couple of big crazy ones in this one.
31:26And let's start with ECR 21 versus ECR 24.
31:28There's almost a push of this guy being pushed out of the top two wide receivers.
31:33It's Terry McLaurin. ECR is 21. ADP is 24.
31:35This is probably the most gentle of the wide receivers we're going to talk about.
31:40But Justin, let's go with you here. ECR versus ADP.
31:43What side are you on with Terry McLaurin? If you had talked to me a couple of weeks ago before Stefan Diggs
31:49showed up there, I would have said ECR and I even had him higher than that in my rankings.
31:55Now that Diggs is there, he does get bumped down a little bit.
31:58It is legit target competition. I have met wide receiver 23, so I will go with the ADP side.
32:04I still think there is a shot for him to have a really good season coming out of that range.
32:10And you just go back to two years ago, right?
32:13He had target competition back then as well. Debo Samuel was a little bit younger, was still a good player.
32:19Now I think Debo's kind of past his prime and those days are over.
32:23But you had Zach Ertz there. You had other guys in the offense.
32:26And yet Terry McLaurin had this monster season, you know, our wide receiver 14 and fantasy points per game over 1100 yards.
32:33We could see something like that from him again.
32:35The defense in Washington is terrible. This team is going to be in a lot of shootout scripts.
32:41We're going to see these receivers put up pretty good points here.
32:44So I like him, but I think people need to react to bump him down a little bit.
32:49There's a lot of good receivers in that range.
32:52And we'll talk about some more of them here coming up.
32:55A lot of good receivers in that area, the draft, but McLaurin still somebody that I'm targeting.
33:00Diggs also somebody that I think you should be targeting because he's a good player.
33:05And because that Washington offense is going to just throw the ball so much.
33:09We just did a standard mock draft on pros.
33:11It'll be out soon. And we were all just talking about how ADPs and most sites are just not caught up to
33:18the value of Stefan Diggs still every single time I ever see him get taken in the last two weeks.
33:23Everyone's we're all like, oh man, like what a great it's because it's just like people have not queued him up and he's always a good value.
33:31Interesting fact is the real time ADP is actually with McLaurin up.
33:35So again, I'm just pointing out if you look at our ADP page on fantasy pros, there's the ADP, which is taking aggregates from the sites.
33:42And then there's a real time ADP, which is just snapshots of a smaller time range.
33:47He is he's ADP 24, but his ADP in real time has moved up to 22.
33:52We're still getting his 24 as the marker, but weirdly going in a different direction.
33:56Erickson, ECR versus ADP. Where are you at with Terry McLaurin?
33:59I'm also on the ADP side with the commander's number one wide receiver.
34:03You mentioned the addition of Stefan Diggs. I think that maybe Chica Conquist is still not getting enough credit for maybe being an upgrade from Zach Ertz.
34:11I think that he could probably command more targets potentially than Zach Ertz can, especially considering they paid him a hefty chunk
34:17of money to come in as their additional pass catcher.
34:20Again, we were shouting for the commanders to add another wide receiver to help Jane Daniels.
34:25They added a tight end that catches passes. So I do think that he's going to factor into this passing game as well.
34:32And just looking at Terry McLaurin's body of work, he has that one season where he scored a bunch of touchdowns.
34:38The rest of his body of work is, OK, this guy's been a really solid fantasy wide receiver too.
34:43I think that's more likely the outcome with him, which is why I like him a little bit closer to his ADP.
34:50And then the biggest factor for me, which actually caused me to move him down the most, was actually the injury to
34:56Laramie Tunsil, the starting offensive tackle for the Washington Commanders.
34:59When I look at what he can do as a pass protector, he buys time for Jane Daniels.
35:04Now, obviously, Jane Daniels can obviously buy time with his legs.
35:07But in terms of, OK, them dialing up long passing plays, that's where Terry McLaurin thrives as a vertical downfield threat.
35:13But now, OK, if the pass protection is not as good, does that create more underneath opportunities for players like Chica Conquil and like Stephon Diggs?
35:21Because Terry McLaurin has not been like this super elite target earner at the NFL level.
35:26Don't get me wrong. Like he's averaging 22, 23, 24 percent target shares, but he's not.
35:30Oh, this is a 30 percent target share guy.
35:33That has never been his game. So I think that, yes, he is a number one on his team, but it's not
35:39to the extent that, oh, he's a dominant alpha wide receiver.
35:43That is not Terry McLaurin. He's also 31 coming off an injury plague season.
35:47Does he get hampered by injuries again? So for those reasons, I'm also closer to the ADP here.
35:52All right. A couple other things that I want to mention real quick, real quick that I'll mention with him.
35:58We're going to write off last year, of course, like all the injuries that he had and Jaden Daniels only played three games together, really.
36:05So that doesn't even factor into my mind. And what I'm interested in with him this year is they bring in a
36:11new OC and David Blau, and he's actually talked about moving McLaurin around the formation a little bit more, which you always
36:18want to hear when you're talking about receivers and them potentially getting more work.
36:22So I agree with you, Erickson, but I think there's a possibility that in this new offense, he does get some more
36:28maybe schemed up stuff and put into positions where he's getting some easier targets as opposed to all that stuff downfield.
36:34One of the positives for the next guy is exactly what you just said, a guy that we're excited because he could
36:41get moved around working into that Z spot, move around in the offense could be a big plus.
36:46It's Emeka Egbuka. There's a lot to this one.
36:49There's a lot of weird changes. I mean, there's a little injury thing that adjusts this one.
36:54ECR versus ADP is a bigger gap. ECR is 23.
36:56Now, again, this is the top 20 rankers have him as the 23rd wide receiver.
37:01His ADP though, two days ago, by the way, it was 16.
37:04That's moved to 18. The real-time ADP is slightly adjusting to 19.
37:08So things are closing up. There was a seven positional gap between where the top ECR guys had him ranked and where he was going in drafts.
37:16That's closed down to five. It's closing into four.
37:18So our official number is ECR 23 versus ADP of 18.
37:22Emeka Egbuka, Erickson, ECR ADP. I'm on the ADP side.
37:24And this is how it's been all offseason. As I've kind of kept tabs on where Egbuka has been market price, the
37:31market has been higher on Egbuka than the consensus rankings for the most part.
37:35And I think that the market really likes the upside case of Egbuka and what we saw in the beginning of last year.
37:42And that's what I like buying into as well.
37:44When he was healthy, he was a lock to win offensive rookie of the year.
37:49Like he was going to win that award. Then we saw all the injuries to the Buccaneers receivers.
37:54Now he's dealing with an injury. So I think that has caused his ADP to fall closer to the ECR.
38:00But if he's healthy, I think that he beats wide receiver 23.
38:03So that's why I would go with the ADP side.
38:06Yeah, that's like two in the last, I think, seven days, two spots positionally.
38:10He's gone down probably with the toe thing. So Mr.
38:13Justin Boone, ECR versus ADP for Emeka Egbuka. I'm just a little more worried.
38:17I know a lot of the injury analysts are out there saying that the type of toe injury it is, he'll be
38:23out there week one and it shouldn't impact him much.
38:26But man, a toe injury for a receiver sounds so scary to me.
38:30On top of the usual like injury stuff, like I was talking about before, where you can have other injuries coming from
38:37it or aggravations or all that kind of thing.
38:39But a receiver who needs to change direction, a foot injury, a toe injury, always worried about that.
38:44So I'm on the ECR side. I've moved him down a bit here.
38:48I've met wide receiver 22. I know what he did last year.
38:52I wanted to be in on him, but this is one injury spot where like, I'm just kind of scared.
38:58And it's so easy to tell the story about how good he was early last season.
39:02But remember, it was kind of injuries that helped derail his season last year too.
39:07It was his injury. And also like basically everybody on that offense got hurt.
39:11So we can see this offense being one that rebounds this season.
39:14I hope Egbuka is healthy. If he is, he's going to crush me on this one, but I have just moved him
39:21down because I'm so worried about that specific injury for a receiver.
39:24All right. Our next wide receiver that we're going to jump into has the biggest gap is the biggest gap of any
39:30of the players that we're going to talk about with an ECR of 32 versus an ADP of 22.
39:36Now, one little caveat I want to throw into this because you guys know I'm doing the ECR of the top 20 rankers.
39:43If we expand to the entire ECR, which is what anybody that goes to the list is going to see, you're going
39:49to just see the full ECR unless you do the little drag downs.
39:53He's 27. So 22 versus 32 versus, you know, 27.
39:56There's a whole lot of gaps that are in here.
39:59So ECR versus ADP, Mr. Justin Boone, DJ Moore, what side are you on?
40:03I am, you know, a bills fan. If anyone doesn't know that so that we can factor that in here, it might be a little bias.
40:10Um, I am on the side of ECR, I guess, mathematically though.
40:14Maybe I'm right in the middle here, to be honest.
40:17I want to be excited about him, but this is the one where let's go back to like the Terry McLaurin thing
40:23we were talking about this range of receivers. And it kind of runs from like round three, round four, all the way to around six, round seven.
40:31There are a ton of good receivers in there.
40:34Guys that I want to target. DJ Moore is one of them.
40:37He can still get it done. Like this guy is a good player.
40:41He's 29 years old. He still got some gas left in the tank here.
40:45And I know we fell out of favor in Washington or in Chicago for a variety of reasons, but last year down
40:51the stretch, we still saw him pop up three top seven weekly fantasy finishes in the second half of the season.
40:57And he's been that top target in an offense before, right?
41:01Had over 90 catches in three of his last five seasons.
41:04So you're pairing him with Alan, with Joe Brady, who he has a history with.
41:08I think we're going to get another good year out of DJ Moore.
41:12I see the upside case for him. I don't know.
41:15I guess because I'm in the middle, I can go either way on it.
41:19So I, the hopeful side of me wants to say I'm with ADP though.
41:23I have not been taking him in that range at all.
41:26I have taken him when he falls more to wide receiver 27, because I do think the bills are still going to spread things around.
41:34And yet they haven't had a receiver like him since digs a receiver that they can look at and be that playmaker for them.
41:41I think he's going to come in and get a lot of work.
41:44That's what we've seen so far in practices. So the hopeful side of me, and again, put a little caveat, a little
41:51asterisk on there because I'm a bills fan. But I think he's somebody you should be targeting.
41:56I'm just not willing to pay up the wide receiver 22 price.
41:59Well, it's interesting. So then you're kind of like the EC, because again, backtracking it, 32 is the ECR for the top
42:0620 most accurate rankers from last year. But the full ECR with everybody who's ranking right now is actually 27 and his ADP is still 22.
42:13So the biggest gap is 10 between the top 20 rankers and ADP, but the middle side, which you obviously live in,
42:20I think you would take that is the 27 there.
42:22So Erickson, same thing for you. Huge gap here.
42:25You don't get, you're not going to get to play the middle side here.
42:29You got to just take ECR or ADP. This is the biggest difference we have of any player on this one.
42:35ECR, ADP, DJ Moore. My rank is right in the middle between, just like between 32 and 22.
42:40I know why the ECR, the top 20 is bringing him down because Fitzy is definitely low on DJ Moore.
42:46We talked about him on players that will lose your leagues.
42:49And Fitzy mentioned DJ Moore as one of those players.
42:52So I think that is holding some weight here.
42:55I couldn't go that far as to looking at DJ Moore in that lens because body of work, six of the last
43:01seven seasons, wide receiver 22 or better. So similar to Terry McLaurin, besides that one outlier season with the Bears, when he
43:08was, I think a top 10 receiver with Justin Fields, he's mostly been like a steady fantasy wide receiver too.
43:14And then last year, obviously things kind of fell off with him being phased out of the Ben Johnson offense.
43:19So I agree with Boone where I still think he has gas left in the tank.
43:24And something that interesting that they noted on the athletic podcast, Robert Mays was talking to one of the Bills reporters, the
43:31mantra and Boone, correct me if I'm wrong here.
43:33The mantra this off season hasn't been everybody eats like they actually haven't said that nearly as much.
43:38And what's changed, right? It's like a chicken to the egg conversation.
43:42Well, everybody eats when you don't have a number one guy.
43:45Well, you get the number one guy and all of a sudden, oh, well, it's not everybody eats anymore.
43:51It's we feature our best players. Those are the guys that get the ball the most.
43:55So I'm leaning more on the optimistic side a little bit here with DJ Moore.
44:00Full disclosure, he's not necessarily someone like I have to have DJ Moore in all my drafts.
44:05I don't view him through that lens, but it's like, hey, I'm looking for a wide receiver.
44:10He's on the board. He's in the conversation for me because it's still a new quarterback wide receiver pairing that always invites
44:16an extra layer of risk because we just don't necessarily know how they will gel.
44:20But in terms of the skill set and projecting them, DJ Moore is a perfect fit for what this offense has been lacking with Josh Allen.
44:28So I do think that ultimately he offers a floor that's probably not being recognized enough at wide receiver 32.
44:34I think that he's going to be a top 30 wide receiver.
44:37So that's why I push back against the ECR.
44:40And I mean, if we're just putting it in the most simplest of terms, he's playing with the best quarterback of his career.
44:46And if you had just looked at that last year with George Pickens going to Dallas, that's all you needed.
44:52And he was a mega smash hit because he was playing with Dak Prescott.
44:56So ultimately, I'm going to have to side with ADP here.
45:00Okay, I was right in the middle. I like that you both win ADP.
45:04You both went on the higher side of it.
45:06The tricky part to help explain my situation with him is I just really like the guys ahead of him as well.
45:13I have Christian Watson just ahead of him, Parker Washington, Jamison Williams.
45:16So it's hard for me to move him up even though I want to.
45:20And that's why the solution is hit running back heavy.
45:23And then when you get to this range of the draft, just keep hitting these receivers.
45:28Yeah, I don't I don't disagree with that whatsoever.
45:30Very good strategy point. One more wide receiver we're going to talk about.
45:34This is a big difference. And this is the difference between this wide receiver being a startable wide receiver in a three
45:41wide receiver core and not 30 to 38 is Cortland Sutton.
45:44Very divisive guy this year. I know Debra loves Cortland Sutton.
45:47His ECR is at 30, but his ADP is 38.
45:50There's a huge gap, but because we're seeing it in the opposite direction.
45:54Sometimes ADP is going ahead. The top 20 accuracy accurate rankers have him as a 30th wide receiver.
45:59But people aren't touching it. It is outside the top 36.
46:02So Erickson, why don't you kick us off here?
46:05Cortland Sutton, ECR or ADP? I'm on the ADP side and it feels like it might be a mistake because I know
46:11what Cortland Sutton can offer an offense. But when I just look at the numbers from last year, and this is not
46:18even considering the fact that they bringing back all the same receivers I had in the team last year, and then you're
46:24adding Jaylen Waddle to the fold after they traded a first round pick to get him, Sutton was not an alpha last year.
46:31Sub 20% target share, 60 receiving yards per game.
46:33A lot of his production came with touchdowns. He had 19 red zone targets, which ranked top five in the NFL.
46:39But I just don't think the volume is going to be nearly as much as it was last year when you're throwing
46:46in a player like Jaylen Waddle into the fold.
46:48And it scares me a lot that Troy Franklin was basically eating into Cortland Sutton's targets routes last year.
46:54And the reports at our training camp are Pat Bryant is going to be potentially doing that this season as a second year player.
47:01So I just got concerns about Cortland Sutton not being able to sustain what he did last year against fiercer target competition.
47:07Before the week 12 bye week last year, he was outside the top 30 wide receivers and points per game.
47:13His yards per route run have dropped for three consecutive seasons.
47:16He's going to be 31 years old. So to me, it's yes.
47:20Can he beat wide receiver 38? Probably. But is he going to be a locked and loaded top 20 guy like he was last year?
47:27I mean, 124 plus targets back to back seasons has not finished higher than wide receiver 11.
47:32Like that is really strong target volume. And it really hasn't paid off in the ceiling type of outcome that you'd expect
47:38from a player seeing that much volume, seeing that much red zone usage.
47:42That really hasn't happened for Cortland Sutton. So again, maybe I'm wrong about where he actually ends up finishing here.
47:48He beats wide receiver 38. But if he finishes wide receiver 30, wide receiver 35, like I think that's more like his real range of outcomes.
47:56So I'm on the side of ADP here. By the way, real time has moved him one spot even lower, if you want to look at that.
48:04So he's going down to 39. So ECR 30 to real time.
48:0739 ECR ADP. You're not wrong, Erickson. I haven't met wide receiver 46.
48:11This is a no fly zone. Do not draft this guy.
48:14This is a boring fantasy pick. The upside is not there unless a bunch of injuries happen around him.
48:20And if a bunch of injuries happen, you're just going to get what you had last year, which was a guy that
48:26barely cracks a thousand yards, has seven or eight touchdowns.
48:29Wide receiver three would like wide receiver two upside.
48:31If he finds the end zone. No, thank you.
48:34Waddle's there. Waddle is the number one. That's how they're talking.
48:37Pat Bryant's coming on to take over as the number two guy.
48:41This offense threw a ton last season and Sutton only put up those numbers.
48:45So now he's got legit target competition. Not somebody that I want.
48:48And when you think about the other receivers in that range, I would take Stefan digs over him.
48:54I would take Chris Godwin over him. I would even much rather go after a couple of guys in the rookies that
49:00have been falling a little bit in ADP and Jordan Tyson and Makai Lemon because their injuries.
49:05I'd rather take those guys knowing they're probably going to start slow and just hope that when they're healthy and when they
49:11get going this season, they can give you more than Sutton can because the ceiling is not there.
49:17The full ECR of him, by the way, is 36.
49:19Hope everybody's falling. I know I'm throwing a lot like real time ADP and top 20 accuracy and stuff, but the actual
49:26just like blanket ranks ECR is 36, but that's still a top starting wide receiver in the three wide receiver format.
49:32It's a very interesting conversation around Cortland Sutton and I feel like it's become divisive, but I just thought it was so
49:38fascinating that the higher accuracy people for at least from last year had Sutton so high.
49:43So take that for what it is on where you guys are at.
49:47We are going to do a quarterback and a tight end one.
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50:23Make your drafting the easiest part of the entire season.
50:26Not the most stressful part. All right. Quarterback in tight end for the last two here.
50:30You guys don't have to go nuts with it, but this one I thought again with like staring at like the fascinating
50:37part of like where people are drafting versus what ECR is Matthew Stafford at quarterback.
50:41I think it's very polarizing finishing at the top end of quarterbacks last year.
50:45Yet he is ECR 18 at quarterback, but ADP.
50:48He is up there as a starter at 12.
50:50So he's being drafted in ADP as a starting fantasy quarterback this season, but rankers, they don't want him there.
50:56So Justin, what do you think? ECR versus ADP for Matthew Stafford this year?
51:00I think he is 38 years old and I think he had a huge season last year.
51:05And it's incredible when you're a pocket passer like that and you can come through and end up being a top five
51:12fantasy quarterback on a per game basis. He's throwing for over 4,700 yards, 46 touchdowns.
51:16That touchdown total is more than he had accumulated the two years prior combined.
51:20Are we going to see him get back there to that like uber elite level in terms of his passing stats?
51:26I just don't think it's likely there's concerns with Devante Adams.
51:29In my mind, he turns 34 in December seem like this off season.
51:33They were kind of flirting with some other guys.
51:36There was talk that they were in the mix potentially for AJ Brown.
51:39There was talk that they were in the mix for Stefan digs.
51:43I think they see the writing on the wall.
51:46Father time is undefeated. He will come for us all except for maybe Derek Henry, who I think is going to play
51:52forever, but he is going to eventually start to sap Devante Adams production a little bit more.
51:57And last year, even his production was pretty much touchdown based.
52:00And we know the deal with quarterbacks, right? If you're trying to find that QB two that can get up into the
52:07QB one range, the easier way to do it is by chasing the guys that can run the ball.
52:12And last year in the top 12 fantasy quarterbacks, nine of them rushed for over 350 yards.
52:17If you're not one of those guys, you have to have this incredible season through the air and expecting that Stafford at
52:23that age with his injury history with an offense that like you, you can call it like a house of cards, right?
52:30You pull out one piece if there's an injury and all of a sudden it's not the same offense.
52:35I'm just concerned. And I don't think there's a real good shot that he's going to get back to anywhere near that
52:42range or even potentially the top 10. They're like one glass door away from being a really bad offense.
52:47So completely agree. Just keep them safe, please. Couple notes.
52:50This is one of those instances where the top 20 accurate ECR people have him the lowest because his overall ECR when you put everybody is actually 15.
52:58So 18 for the top 20 guys. Overall ECR, he's 15.
53:02ADP, he's 12. Looking at we take a multitude of sources and sites for ADP.
53:06By the way, yours, Yahoo, you guys are the lowest on Matthew Stafford.
53:10So that tracks, but there is a, there is a site that has him eight overall.
53:14So inside the top 10. So I'm just giving you lots of stuff that are ranking out there.
53:20So ECR versus ADP Erickson, you've been pumping your fists.
53:22Like you're loving this negative talk here. So I feel like you're going to be on the ECR side, but ECR or ADP.
53:29Quarterback is so deep this year. There's no reason to draft Matthew Stafford in any way, shape or form and take on
53:36all the risks that Justin Moon just outlined with him.
53:38Career high 7.7 passing touchdown rate last season. Part of that was because they were spamming red zone targets to Devontae Adams
53:45to get Matthew Stafford the MVP award. That's just not going to be part of the recipe this year, 2026.
53:51I also think the Rams defense is significantly better than it was last year.
53:55I don't think the Rams feel like they need to win because Stafford's going to be throwing for 404 touchdowns every single week.
54:01I think that they went out and improved their defense so that Stafford doesn't have to shoulder as much of the load
54:08like he did last year when he won the MVP.
54:11So I think that, again, going back to how deep quarterback is when I'm ever doing my quarterback rankings, I'm moving guys up and down.
54:18I'm like, I like this guy. I like this guy.
54:21The one guy that I always find myself never liking to draft in any capacity is Matthew Stafford.
54:26We got to get a tight end here. There wasn't a ton of crazy variants, but I did find this one interesting.
54:33This, the ECR ADP is more about one thing.
54:35It's about a starting tight end fantasy or not.
54:38The ECR is 13. The ADP is 11. And it's Isaiah Likely.
54:41What side are you on? ECR versus ADP. The real-time ADP hasn't really adjusted.
54:45So this is about him being a starter. Erickson, final one here, Isaiah Likely.
54:49ECR, non-startable 12-team tight end or startable ADP where he is at 11 tight end in fantasy this year?
54:55I'm taking him at the ADP. I like Isaiah Likely a lot still this year.
54:59I still think that he has a top five type of ceiling.
55:03We saw that with Baltimore when Mark Andrews missed games.
55:0611 fantasy points per game. That would have been equivalent to the tight end five in points per game last season.
55:12And I know there was a lot of gloom and doom about Isaiah Likely's usage in the first preseason game for the
55:18Giants when Theo Johnson was playing more overall snaps than he was.
55:22But when I looked at it, I was really encouraged by it.
55:25They had seven total dropbacks with the starters between Jackson Dart and Jameis Winston on the first two drives.
55:31Isaiah Likely ran six routes on seven dropbacks. That's 86% route participation.
55:34That is elite for a fantasy tight end. And more importantly, Isaiah Likely had two targets, both of which came on third down.
55:41Who did the Giants lose last year? Big receiver, Wandale Robinson.
55:44Or not a big receiver, but a big target receiver.
55:47He was their guy on third downs. He was Jackson Dart's guy on a lot of those third down conversions.
55:53And at least so far, what we've seen in the preseason during training camp is that Dart and Likely have developed a
55:59lot of chemistry, especially with Malik Neighbors not participating fully in team drills and joint practices.
56:04Well, Isaiah Likely's been out there every single day catching passes from his quarterback.
56:08I also was encouraged that he's running a lot of his routes from the slot as well.
56:13So you get Isaiah Likely big slot season. So for me, I think that he's going to be Dart's check down option.
56:19And if Neighbors is just not all the way back, especially the first month of the season, I think Isaiah Likely is
56:26a really, really good pick, especially as a late round tight end that can actually be a difference maker in your lineup.
56:32So I'm going with the ADP here. Quick question.
56:35I'm going to throw it, you guys. What do you think there are more of?
56:39People having likely ranked inside the top eight at tight end or people having him not as a top 20 tight end?
56:46What do you think is more likely? Let's start with you, Erickson.
56:49Not as a top. Do people have him outside the top 20?
56:53Yes. Which one do you think there's more of?
56:55Non-top 20 tight end? Which one's more likely? Top eight or top eight tight end?
57:00It's got to be top eight. Yeah. I think there's enough to be bullish.
57:04I think I would probably do that. Yeah. Top eight.
57:07You guys are incorrect. There are more people that do not have Isaiah likely as a top 20 tight end than there
57:13are that have him as a top eight. That is in the individual rankers on Fantasy Pros.
57:18So throwing it to you, Boone, I'm going to guess you're going to buy ADP here?
57:23Well, have they not updated since January or something?
57:25Do they know he's not on the Ravens anymore?
57:28Yeah. Like the situation for him is exciting. I had him a little bit higher around that same range as Erickson.
57:34When we thought Neighbors might start the season a little bit slower.
57:37I think now we can feel a little more confident that Neighbors, even if he does get off to a slow start,
57:44is going to be out there closer to what we've seen his peak be in the past.
57:49So that caused me to bump likely down just a bit.
57:52But he's in a pack. It's really like him and Dallas Goddard are the last two guys that I am confident to draft as my tight end one.
58:00I have met tight end 13 right now, but you could flip those guys either way in my mind.
58:06The way I'm approaching tight end this year is try to get an elite guy if you can get them at a decent value.
58:13I really like Tyler Warren, who in my mind could be elite, but is a little bit cheaper as long as this injury, this groin injury is okay.
58:21If not, Tucker Craft or George Kittle, try to get the injury discounts there.
58:25And if not, those guys, then you grab from this last pack of Dalton Kincaid or Goddard or likely.
58:30So I still really like him. I'm, you know, a little bit further down, I guess, by a couple spots than Erickson.
58:37But I'm confident that he's going to have a good season as the de facto number two receiver for the Giants.
58:43You know, and fun thing this is that's hidden in this episode.
58:46If you guys like kind of read through it, there's always a heavy amount of conversation of like, you know, screw ADP.
58:53Get your guys. Yeah, get your guys. Absolutely. And in this instance, this is kind of a conversation about the experts.
58:59So if you want to use air quotes, if you're that type of person that needs air quotes run experts.
59:05That experts are differing from ADP. So you as a listener can do the same thing.
59:09This is a conversation around being comfortable with your guys, regardless of what ADP is saying.
59:14You can create your own cheat sheets at Fantasy Pros.
59:17You can pick a couple people, whatever it is.
59:20Maybe you're really, really great at this and you all your study.
59:23Don't be afraid to go with your rank over what ADP is telling you.
59:27That's what this conversation is about. But we're just having kind of a macro level of it by using ECR and by
59:34using, you know, one of the most accurate rankers in the land, Justin Boone.
59:38Justin Boone, you can follow him on Twitter. Check him over at Yahoo Sports.
59:42Him and Harmon. A plus in the land. Boone, we really appreciate your time, my friend.
59:46I appreciate you guys. Got a chance to hang out with Erickson at the Fantasy Expo this year.
59:52We had a great time. Hopefully we'll get to do that every year.
59:55And yeah, anytime you guys need a guest, you always know I'm happy to jump on.
60:00We appreciate you, man. And if you guys want to hang out with the rest of the Fantasy Pros crew and more, August 26, 3 p.m.
60:08Eastern, it is Fantasy Pros Fantasy Fest. You can join us.
60:11Tons of guests where we're talking rankings, tiers, sleepers, busts, league winners.
60:14We're going to be mock drafting. We've got giveaways.
60:17And we've even got an after party on our Twitch where you guys can do more mock drafting with us.
60:23And hopefully you do it. Erickson's going to be there.
60:26Me and Erickson aren't paired together, but there's going to be a bunch of great Fantasy Pros people.
60:31I think it's me and Debra a whole bunch.
60:33But come and check us out August 26, live on our YouTube, youtube.com slash Fantasy Pros, 3 p.m.
60:39Eastern, August 26. That is going to do it.
60:41ADP versus ECR. You guys let us know in the comments what sides you are on.
60:46We'd love to hear from you. For Andrew Erickson and Justin Boone, I'm Chris Welsh.
60:50Good luck in your drafts. And we'll talk to you next time right here on Fantasy Pros.
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