Fantasy Football PPR MOCK DRAFT | Expert Picks, Sleepers & Draft Strategy for 2026 (Ep. 2137)
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1 hr 4 min
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Aug 18, 2026
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Tue, August 18, 2026
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Courtland SuttonDak PrescottJa'Marr ChaseJeremiyah LoveJosh JacobsKeaton MitchellBijan RobinsonBraelon AllenBreece HallBrock PurdyCaleb DouglasChase BrownChris OlaveChristian McCaffrey
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Bijan Robinson
NegativeProjection7:03
The source expresses concern regarding Bijan Robinson's fantasy outlook due to the Atlanta Falcons' offensive struggles, specifically noting that the quarterback is struggling to throw downfield, which limits scoring opportunities.
Insight pageBraelon Allen
NegativeSleeper37:54
Braylon Allen is highlighted as one of the better backup running back options to roster, specifically due to the injury risk surrounding Breece Hall.
Insight pageBreece Hall
NegativeInjury24:09
The source notes that Breece Hall's fantasy value is currently impacted by a groin injury and concerns about a potentially limited offense, suggesting a mid-fourth round pick is the appropriate risk-reward range.
Insight pageBrock Purdy
PositiveProjection42:17
Brock Purdy is considered a locked-in top-12 quarterback, consistent with his historical points-per-game finishes, despite concerns about the 49ers' receiving room injuries.
Insight pageCaleb Douglas
NegativeRole43:54
Caleb Douglas is viewed as a speculative late-round pick based on the opportunity to be the WR1 in Miami, though the source acknowledges the overall passing attack may be unreliable.
Insight pageChase Brown
PositiveBreakout11:57
The source compares Chase Brown to James Cook, arguing that Brown has more receiving upside and is a prime candidate for positive touchdown regression if he secures more carries.
Insight pageChris Olave
PositiveProjection13:45
The source moved Chris Olave up in their rankings following news of Jordan Tyson's hamstring injury, viewing Olave as a high-upside asset with a favorable quarterback situation.
Insight pageChristian McCaffrey
PositiveValue10:22
The source views Christian McCaffrey as a binary asset: if healthy, he is a top-two running back, and if injured, he ruins a team. Despite minor tightness, the source is willing to take the upside swing at the 1.08 draft position.
Insight pageCourtland Sutton
PositiveValue55:52
Courtland Sutton is considered undervalued as a WR3/WR4, with the source suggesting Bo Nix's passing volume could support two top-24 wide receivers.
Insight pagePositiveValue59:12
Courtland Sutton is being disrespected in drafts and can be acquired as a WR4; there is a clear path for Bo Nix to support two top-24 wide receivers in the Broncos' offense.
Insight pageDak Prescott
PositiveProjection51:47
Dak Prescott is viewed as a tier-break quarterback due to his presence in a high-powered offense with personnel stability and a strong receiving duo in CeeDee Lamb and George Pickens.
Insight pagePositiveProjection67:32
Dak Prescott is valued as a quarterback capable of throwing for 5,000 yards in a season if he remains healthy.
Insight pageDevin Singletary
NegativeUsage39:30
The source expresses concern regarding Devin Singletary's workload, noting he left a preseason game in the second quarter with the starters, which may signal a lack of job security.
Insight pageDrake Maye
PositiveValue35:04
Drake Maye is considered a strong value in the sixth round, especially following a solid QB2 performance. He benefits from an improved supporting cast including A.J. Brown and Romeo Doubs, and his rushing ability provides a high floor.
Insight pageGeorge Kittle
PositiveValue50:23
George Kittle is a target at the 9-10 turn. If he is 100% healthy, he has top-three tight end potential, especially given the absence of Ricky Pearsall.
Insight pageHarold Fannin
PositiveSleeper44:01
Harold Fannin is a favorite mid-round tight end target who could lead the Browns in targets. Despite concerns about the team's quarterback play, his college production and rookie-year performance make him a special player with significant upside.
Insight pageIsaiah Davis
NegativeRole38:01
While the source is a fan of Isaiah Davis, they do not project him to be more than a timeshare player if Breece Hall were to miss time.
Insight pageJa'Marr Chase
PositiveProjection5:41
The source ranks Ja'Marr Chase as the overall WR1 and the top pick in PPR formats, citing his status as the best receiver in football and the expectation that the Bengals' offense will be elite.
Insight pageNegativeProjection61:09
Derek Brown reflects on taking Ja'Marr Chase first overall, noting that while he likes Chase, he wonders if selecting Bijan Robinson or Jahmyr Gibbs would have been better to capitalize on mid-round wide receiver depth.
Insight pageJahmyr Gibbs
PositiveProjection5:54
The source considers Jahmyr Gibbs a top-tier running back with a massive ceiling, noting he is on one of the best offenses in football. While Bijan Robinson was previously the RB1, the source suggests Gibbs is now the preferred choice due to concerns about Atlanta's scoring opportunities.
Insight pageJavonte Williams
PositiveValue23:10
The source considers Javonte Williams 'free money' in drafts, noting he finished as an RB1 last year and remains in a stable situation despite hype surrounding teammates.
Insight pageJaxon Smith-Njigba
PositiveUsage8:55
The source highlights Jaxon Smith-Njigba's 36% target share from last year as a key indicator of his value, noting that the offensive philosophy in Seattle is unlikely to change despite the coaching staff transition.
Insight pageJayden Higgins
PositiveBreakout55:13
Jaden Higgins is a breakout candidate in year two with immense physical tools. As the clear number two receiver in Houston, he is highly regarded by coaches and peers like Nico Collins, with potential to reach 1,000+ yards.
Insight pageJaylen Waddle
PositiveProjection20:11
The source ranks Jaylen Waddle as the WR11, placing him above other receivers like Devonta Smith and Zay Flowers due to the expectation that Denver will maintain a high passing volume.
Insight pageJeremiyah Love
NegativeInjury27:21
The source expresses significant concern regarding Jeremiah Love's high ankle sprain, noting a 4-6 week recovery timeline and the risk that he may not look like himself upon returning, leading them to drop him outside their top 25 running backs.
Insight pagePositiveValue66:26
Jeremiah Love is considered a fair value in the fourth round, with Bucky Irving and Bachel Tootin serving as viable backups if Love is not ready for the start of the season.
Insight pageJonathon Brooks
PositiveValue38:32
Jonathon Brooks is a preferred target over Tony Pollard and Chuba Hubbard in the mid-sixth round. Despite concerns about his recent injury and preseason explosiveness, the source views his limited performance as expected rust and maintains confidence in his talent.
Insight pageJosh Jacobs
PositiveValue50:45
The source views Josh Jacobs as a strong value in the fifth round, dismissing concerns about his knee injury and noting his consistent touchdown production.
Insight pagePositiveValue60:27
Derek Brown expresses regret for not selecting Josh Jacobs at the turn instead of DJ Moore, highlighting the importance of securing running back depth in the fifth and sixth rounds.
Insight pageKeaton Mitchell
PositiveValue37:16
The source targets Keaton Mitchell in the 11th and 12th rounds, noting he has standalone value and is a strong RB3 candidate, even if he isn't the clear lead back in Baltimore.
Insight pagePositiveUsage60:57
Keaton Mitchell is a recommended roster addition who could provide standalone value. While he may not be the clear lead back if the starter goes down, he is expected to be part of a committee backfield.
Insight pageKenneth Walker III
PositiveRole15:14
The source ranks Kenneth Walker as the RB7, projecting him to be a workhorse in the Kansas City offense with significant involvement in the screen game.
Insight pageKyren Williams
PositiveUsage21:50
The source advocates for drafting Kyren Williams in the late third or early fourth round, citing his efficiency and a 65-35 snap split that favored him in PPR formats down the stretch last season.
Insight pageLuther Burden
PositiveBreakout26:44
The source is excited about Luther Burden's upside as an electric slot receiver in a Ben Johnson offense, noting that his recent injury might lower his ADP, making him a better value.
Insight pageMalik Washington
PositiveSleeper42:49
Malik Washington is targeted as a high-upside handcuff who could become the lead target earner in his offense if an injury occurs to the starter.
Insight pageMarShawn Lloyd
PositiveValue60:28
Marshawn Lloyd is a late-round target who looked explosive in his return to the field. With Josh Jacobs dealing with a knee injury and showing signs of decline, Lloyd is a viable speculative add.
Insight pageParker Washington
PositiveSleeper30:50
Parker Washington is a recommended upside swing for managers in the middle rounds of drafts, as he offers significant potential that is often overlooked by those not watching the all-22 film.
Insight pageSam LaPorta
PositiveValue48:29
Sam LaPorta is considered a massive value in the eighth round (ADP 62). He has been moved ahead of Tucker Kraft in rankings due to the latter's potential snap limitations.
Insight pageTony Pollard
NegativeUsage40:51
The source expects the Titans backfield to be dominated by one running back rather than a committee, citing Brian Daboll's coaching history, and suggests that Pollard's usage should not be overreacted to based on early preseason games.
Insight pageTucker Kraft
NegativeInjury45:46
Tucker Kraft's fantasy outlook is tempered by reports that his snaps may be limited during the first half of the regular season, leading some analysts to move him down in their rankings.
Insight pageTyler Allgeier
PositiveUsage53:22
Tyler Allgeier is a recommended handcuff target to cover for potential injuries or to fill in during the first few weeks of the season, providing a bridge for managers waiting on rookies or injured players.
Insight pageTyrone Tracy
NegativeUsage39:22
The source suggests Tyrone Tracy is on thin ice with the coaching staff after missing a critical block in the preseason, leading to concerns about his role.
Insight pageXavier Worthy
NegativeInjury41:53
Xavier Worthy's fantasy outlook is dampened by recurring shoulder issues, which are particularly concerning given his slight build.
Insight pageZay Flowers
PositiveProjection17:11
The source is confident in Zay Flowers, noting his 1,200-yard season despite Baltimore's low pass volume. They expect potential improvement in touchdown production under the new coaching regime.
Insight pageFull transcript
Episode Transcript
0:00This is an iHeart Podcast. Guaranteed Human. Call 1-800-GRANGER, click Grainger.com, or stop by.
0:04Grainger, for the ones who get it done. Hello everybody, welcome into the FantasyPros - Fantasy Football Podcast.
0:09I'm Ryan Warmly, joined today by three different people.
0:11We've got a full house. It's Derek Brown, it's Pat Fitzmaurice, and it's Jake Seeley from The Athletic.
0:16We're here for a mock draft. We're doing a PPR mock draft, and we are including kickers and defenses.
0:22We almost always do not include those on these episodes.
0:24Our producers wanted us to do one for their words, not mine, the casuals, as you put it.
0:29But yeah, we'll do a little bit of kickers and defense at the end of the show for you guys.
0:35Obviously, we will be waiting until the end of the show.
0:38Although, who knows, maybe one of our fine folks and friends from Discord who has joined us for today's mock draft will consider drafting there as well.
0:45We'll see. Fitz, how you doing today, buddy? I'm doing great.
0:48I'm excited to get my kicker and defense reps in, Worm.
0:51I know Jake Seeley is, too, so that's going to be fun.
0:55Jake, I was going to ask what you have going on at The Athletic.
0:58I have to assume it's like a kicker strategy guide or maybe your favorite defense is for the first month of the season.
1:05What do you think? No, one of the first things I ever wrote was it's time to ban kickers from fantasy and
1:11the whole article about it and breaking down how like the statistics don't even back it up for the people that argue about it.
1:17But anyway, that's how old that article is, and it's been sitting there.
1:21The best part is you can't even see over there.
1:24Somebody reviewed the magazine that we came out with that year that also because Nando was the boss at the time included
1:30the article, but then had like a spinning wheel to pick your kicker.
1:33And it's a two star review that talks about how amazing the article is, except for the spinning wheel is for the kicker that he posted for me.
1:41So now I have it hanging on my wall as the two star review.
1:45D-Ro, do you have the, you know, fantasy playoff schedule breakdowns for team defenses or anything at the ready for this one?
1:51I mean, I'm fully prepared to go double kicker just to spite Jake.
1:55Yeah. Please do. It'll make my team better. I won't.
1:57All right. Well, a fairly standard mock besides that, you know, obviously standard for most people, including that three receivers, BPR, all that good stuff.
2:04Just one quarterback. A reminder for everybody watching all of our 2026 consensus rankings and tiers can be found at fantasypros.com slash rankings.
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2:58All right. I have the first pick here. We will go ahead and start the draft.
3:03Now going to be a short countdown clock here.
3:05I didn't actually write down where are you guys all picking fits.
3:08I think you're in the middle, right? I'm at five, five.
3:11D row. It looks like you're a yeah. And I'm on the other end.
3:15You're at the end. I've seen you with the one.
3:18So you cause you always pick 12 and then yeah, I see.
3:21I see. I see that D bro tried to stay in the middle, but not that horrible five, six, but try to
3:27like give it a little bit different. Yeah. I wanted the one Oh eight.
3:31I haven't drafted from here much, but my favorite spots this year, the one Oh five or the one Oh eight right now in the first round.
3:39Oh, really? Mm-hmm. I've got the one Oh one.
3:41And as much as I have really liked my teams when I start off with a running back, I do just have
3:47Jamar Chase, especially like PPR three receiver league. He will be the first pick for me.
3:52Oh, and I don't know that much. Okay. Over Gibbs.
3:54Gibbs would have been the choice. I would run it back.
3:57I, you know, I do have him over B.
4:00John, of course, but yeah, I just think with the three receivers starting in this league, he's the best receiver in football.
4:06I'm, I think the offense is gonna be awesome this year.
4:09Um, they're in every other year offense anyway. So, uh, yeah, it would, it was between chasing Gibbs and with this PPR format, I'll go chase.
4:16Gibbs would have been a fine pick. I think wouldn't have argued against it.
4:20Jake, who would you have gone with the one Oh one?
4:23I would have, I have B. John subtly in front of kids just with, I think Gibbs has the higher ceiling, but
4:29I think the Robinson ceiling is right there. I actually outscored him PPR last year.
4:33And I think people don't even notice that. Uh, the concern being they both have some, I'm at right now it was B.
4:40John, but after watching to a play, I might actually switch back to Gibbs at this point.
4:44That's the tiebreaker. I thought about it too. I've had B.
4:47John is my RB one all off season and I've thought about capitulating after seeing the Falcons offense last week.
4:53Admittedly. I don't know if we're going to get to it cause it depends on how we draft and what's on the
4:59board, but I moved the lobby in front of Drake London after watching to a.
5:03Yeah. I don't know if I would get to that far in terms of the receiver rankings, but in terms of the
5:09running backs, that is the tiebreaker, right? It's like Gibbs is going to be on one of the best offenses of football.
5:15We think, and I'm really nervous about the scoring opportunities for Atlanta.
5:18I think B. John is a better player. Um, I had him higher earlier, but yeah, not at this point.
5:24Well, it might help cause two, it can't throw it more than two yards downfield now, apparently.
5:29So if it's, I would hear about the pick you made at one Oh five, Jackson Smith and jig, but just quickly,
5:35who would have been your one Oh one? I'm also torn between B.
5:38John Robinson, Jameer Gibbs, and kind of want to split those down the middle if I'm blessed with the one Oh one in multiple leagues.
5:45But right now it's, it's still B. John for me also.
5:48And the JSN one Oh five. Was that a guy you were targeting?
5:52I mean, it feels like there's been sort of a consensus top five.
5:55So you were just happy to take whoever got to you.
5:58Yeah. And a league where you have to start three wide receivers, happy to start with one of the top four receivers.
6:04And I don't have JSN that far ahead of Amin Ross St.
6:08Brown, who's just been a pillar of stability over the last three, four seasons.
6:12Um, but JSN, it's hard to argue with that 36% target share last year.
6:16And I don't really think the offensive MO is going to change for Seattle, even though they've got new coaching in place.
6:22Debra at the one Oh eight, you go running back here.
6:25The upside of Christian McCaffrey, not concerned about the missing practice for tightness.
6:28No, I'm not concerned at this point. I mean, everybody else out there is pulling groins and tearing things and stuff.
6:34If the things are a little bit tight, I'm not that concerned, but I've talked about it the entirety of the off season, the CMC conversation.
6:41It's a binary decision. He stays healthy. He's a top two running back.
6:45He gets hurt. He screws your team. I mean, it's really that simple.
6:48So at this point I will take the upside swing on Christian McCaffrey.
6:52Are you taking him as high as one Oh six?
6:55And you feel like you got a bit of a value at one Oh eight, or is that more of the range that you expect to get?
7:02Um, I'm willing to take him like, I mean, one Oh six, I would go Amin Ra.
7:07But I think there's an interesting case of like, whether it's James Cook versus Christian McCaffrey at the one Oh eight.
7:13And I was lucky. I didn't have to make that decision.
7:16James Cook goes right ahead of me. Jake at the turn, you go running back wide receiver combo here, Chase Brown and AJ Brown.
7:22What was the thought process for that? Uh, trying to draft Jalen Brown later, if I can get all the Browns.
7:28Uh, it really comes down to, we've had this Chase Brown conversation a lot.
7:32If anybody's seen the previous shows to somebody that I think is right on par with potentially being James Cook more.
7:38So if he takes that step forward in this offense, we were looking for that touchdown regression to come the other way for James Cook to come down.
7:45And it barely did. And he was still great after going so far up two years ago where that's really my point
7:51about Chase Brown is if he gets a little bit more touchdown luck and a little bit more on the carry department,
7:58he's already got the receiving game upside more so than James Cook.
8:01So that's the real appeal there. And then AJ Brown, another one we've talked at nauseam since the trade happened is that
8:07AJ Brown deep all the Drake may all the upside there.
8:10And then you go get back to Debro because he did make the pick like the fact that I had to push down Drake London.
8:17London would have been there. If, if, if Penix was starting 17 games, London would be there.
8:22It's just, I don't know that we get that target share from Tua.
8:25Yeah. Debro, you go with the lava here pairing him with McCaffrey.
8:28So, um, another guy with some injury history in there, but a lot of upside, especially with the Jordan Tyson, uh, hamstring issues.
8:35Yeah. I mean, it's really like I pushed to lava up my ranks a little bit over the weekend update in the
8:41top 200, uh, with the Jordan Tyson news where I was already had the antenna up as soon as like when the
8:47first thing comes out is they're immediately getting an MRI on a hamstring.
8:50Yeah. It's not a low grade hamstring issue. So I think it's going to linger into the season.
8:55And so the, yeah, the quarterback play is a differentiator for me.
8:59I was kind of surprised you didn't take Bowers given how much we've just talked about him this year and how much
9:05of a fan I know you are. Yeah. You start with a wide receiver in here.
9:09I think you just have to come back with running back because there's that, that top group.
9:14I didn't want to leave it out of, um, you know, low end running back one, high end running back two range.
9:20And I love Kenneth Walker this year. I've got him ranked, uh, running back seven.
9:24I think he's going to be fantastic. I think he's going to be a workhorse for Kansas city.
9:29They just haven't had a running back like this with his playmaking ability.
9:33And so long, it's exciting that it's sounds like they're going to use him in their screen game.
9:38Like I can't wait for Walker. I think the sky's the limit for him this year.
9:42And like, he might've actually gotten an offensive line upgrade going from Seattle to Casey.
9:46Whenever I've had any drafts where I picking first, I've had a lot of Brock Bowers getting to me.
9:51I'm kind of glad that he didn't get to me so I could, you know, finally have an excuse to go in a different direction here.
9:59Um, I went with Derek Henry, sort of the last running back that I was excited to have as an RV one.
10:05Um, I was really hoping to pair a couple of running backs at the two, three turn, but so many of them
10:11went that I didn't have the chance to do that.
10:13So I go Derek Henry and I pair him with the upside of, you know, Malik neighbors and some, you know, injury optimism there.
10:20I didn't love the other options. Henry was an easy choice there.
10:23I didn't feel great about the others. So, uh, we'll see how I feel about that.
10:28Looking back later, uh, fits you're on the clock in another pick.
10:31Is there a player that you're hoping gets to you here?
10:34Yeah, I'm going to take Zay flowers. Um, a little earlier than I would like him.
10:39Ideally I'm, I'm getting him, you know, in the fourth round or closer to the three, four turn.
10:44Um, I'm just confident for a guy who had 1200 yards last year in an offense in Baltimore that had the fewest
10:50pass attempts of any team in the last three years.
10:52And Zay flowers is just a massive part of what they do.
10:56And I'm hoping he does a little bit better in the touchdown category.
10:59Maybe they drop some more red zone plays for him with, um, the new coaching regime.
11:04Declan Doyle is the offensive coordinator. Debra, you're on the clock.
11:07So I'll, I'll throw it to Jake here while you make your pick, Jake, what do you think about that placement for flowers?
11:13It's a guy you and I specifically have talked to each other a lot about in the past.
11:18And that's the thing is I'm good with it because we don't even need to touchdown increase for Zay flowers to return that value.
11:25Cause he just did. Uh, the biggest thing about Zay was that the argument against him, including myself made is that we
11:31just had Lamar the year before throw 41 touchdowns and he still wasn't a touchdown maker.
11:35And, but that's the thing is not every wide receiver needs to be, he was able to make it up in other
11:41areas and take that next step forward. And whether or not Doyle does more for him and we're hoping more in the
11:47passing game, including potentially like a bateman, but I like flowers there.
11:51The only concern is we've just had all three wide receivers back to back to back flowers, Devonta and Ibuka all dealing
11:57with injuries uncertain of their 100% health. And they go back to back to back in the third round.
12:02Yeah. This is the, uh, the stretch here of receivers.
12:05Like obviously those three, you just mentioned then Debro takes Jalen Waddle, then Ted Aron, McMillan, then Garrett Wilson, then Ladd McConkie.
12:11So we're at, uh, what is it? Eight, seven or eight straight, uh, receivers off the board here.
12:16Debro Waddle being the pick there. Is he your favorite of like kind of that whole group?
12:20Would you have taken a Zay, a Devonta and Ibuka if they had gotten to you?
12:25Where does he kind of fit in compared to all those other names?
12:28I've got Waddle right above that entire kind of tier.
12:31Like I've got Waddle at wide receiver 11. Smith is at 12.
12:34Flowers is at 13. Ibuka is at 15. So I would have taken Waddle over any of those guys.
12:40I just think you're looking at the passing volume of the Denver Broncos.
12:43That's what I was going to ask you, Debro.
12:46I was going to like to jump in and ask you the question.
12:49If we knew all three of them were 100% healthy, would you still go Waddle over those three?
12:54Yep. I'll still go Waddle and it just comes down to passing volume.
12:58Like I think Denver is going to actually just keep chucking it at a top five rate.
13:02And with Webb designing plays, we probably get a fast paced offense this year.
13:06So Jake, your picks, Kyron Williams, T Higgins. What went into those?
13:10On brand for the first one. Going to continue to take Kyron late third, early fourth every time he falls there, similar
13:16to the Derrick Henry situation that you had earlier.
13:18Somebody that, again, continually gets overlooked in the fact when they had that 65-35 split down the stretch from like week 10-11
13:24on, he was actually better in PPR. He was actually higher in efficiency.
13:28So I'm not saying that's going to definitively carry over, but I'm not worried about Kyron Williams with the 65-35 split because we just saw it.
13:35And T Higgins really comes down to somebody who's been a wide receiver one.
13:39When everybody's been healthy, Chase Burrow, if everybody's going to stay healthy and be optimistic about Chase and Burrow, then get on
13:45board and be optimistic about T Higgins too. At the beginning of the fourth round, potential wide receiver one.
13:50Debra, you go with Javante Williams here in the fourth round.
13:53I thought about him. Was that a one where you feel like you're getting a pretty good value here?
13:58Does it seem like just right about where he should be?
14:01Combination of good value. And I don't want anything to do with Brees and Jacobs right now, like versus Javante in drafts.
14:08Like Brees popping up with a groin injury as you're recording this.
14:11Jacobs is dealing with a knee injury. And Javante, I feel like, has just been free money in drafts.
14:16I mean, a guy that finishes an RV one, nobody seems to care about it last year at all.
14:21His situation hasn't changed at all. Everybody's still hyped over the moon for Jaden Blue, and he will be only a part-time player.
14:28So, yes, it's a combination of value plus, like, when I'm staring at Brees Hall, Josh Jacobs, Travis Echian, and I don't
14:34really, like, have a lot of interest in any of those guys right now.
14:38Like, Brees Hall, the most out of any of them.
14:40But the groin injury makes things a little bit more dicey.
14:43Yeah, Javante sticks out like a sore thumb. Fitz, what do you think about ranking Brees Hall right now?
14:49I mean, Debro just mentioned him, but obviously some uncertainty with the groin stuff that popped up just this morning.
14:54What round feels appropriate for him in your opinion?
14:57He just goes right now, by the way, at the 410.
15:00Yeah, mid-fourth, I think, is fair. Like, I don't think it's safe to assume he's going to miss any time yet, and
15:06he might be totally okay for week one. Like, it's unfortunate timing.
15:09It's definitely going to throw a scare into people as we hit draft season, and you've got Brees Hall already kind of
15:15hamstringed by a potentially limited offense, and now he's got this injury.
15:18So, I get it, but for the talent, I think mid-fourth is a reasonable – the risk-reward proposition I think makes sense in the mid-fourth.
15:25I'm on the clock here with my second one.
15:28I took Roman Doonesday with one of the picks.
15:30Obviously, Fitz, you just took Luther Burden, so a couple spots apart on the Bears receivers there.
15:35Kind of torn on the next one. I'll just take DJ Moore.
15:38Don't feel great about it. Didn't love a lot of the options.
15:42I considered May just as the last of, like, the elite quarterbacks, but I really wanted to wait on quarterback in this
15:48draft, so I passed on him there. I've got four receivers in my first five picks here.
15:52Fitz, I guess I'll kind of just throw it back to you again in terms of the injury stuff.
15:58Like, I just asked you about Brees Hall. You just took Luther Burden, who has his own kind of injury stuff going on.
16:04Clearly, you still think middle of the fourth is an okay range for him.
16:08Yeah, I'm still excited about the upside of an electric, twitchy slot receiver in a Ben Johnson offense for a team that
16:14has a defense that is probably going to force them into track meets week after week this season.
16:19So, yeah, I think Burden should be good to go.
16:22I'm kind of glad his injury happened when it happened, and I know it pulled a little bit of helium out of the balloon.
16:28Luther Burden, everyone seems to be on in the fantasy community.
16:31But hopefully this will slow the rise of the ADP a little bit, and you can get him at decent value.
16:37Well, you jump past the one, right? Like, we skipped right past Jeremiah Love.
16:41I don't know if Bunting didn't get the news, but that was a big injury that he went way early, like almost around a half ago already.
16:48Yeah, he went at the 402 just after your two picks, Jake.
16:52Obviously, like, with the high ankle sprain stuff there, like, Jake, do you have a timeline in your head of when you think he might be contributing?
16:59I mean, it's just especially hard to – I know he's really talented and, like, a running back.
17:04Maybe it's easier to adjust, but you just – a rookie, like, learning, pass blocking assignments, and just everything that comes with being thrown into the NFL.
17:11Just a real bummer. We also have the head coach candidate for earliest, I'm the stupidest coach in the NFL, going from,
17:18we're going to do a complete committee because he's a rookie, and then we go to, I'm going to give him 14 touches because he's a rookie.
17:25So anyway, it really comes down to – you said it's high ankle sprains.
17:29And so we know the timetable is four to six weeks.
17:32That's optimistic. We've seen running backs like Saquon Barkley come back from high ankle sprains and not look the same for the rest of the season.
17:39So I'm not taking him after – I'm outside my top 25 running backs now, and that's just really what comes down
17:45to is there's names in front of them that – even DeAndre Swift.
17:49I know nobody wants DeAndre Swift, but I know what I'm getting.
17:52Yeah, and you don't have to wait four to six weeks, which the other part of it too is – this is
17:58coming from somebody who's a Notre Dame fan. I love the talent of Love, and I think he could be an RB1,
18:04but we just did a great running back and a terrible offense with Gentey last year who was RB17 in points per game.
18:10And now we have the Love situation, and they don't have to force him the ball when he comes back because they have Tyler Algier.
18:17Like I'm not saying Tyler Algier should be taking touches from Love, but we don't even have to force him back until like, hey, he's back.
18:25We're a competitor. We want to give him 100 percent of the workload we plan to give him.
18:29So do we even get Love until week eight or nine of the Love that we wanted?
18:34Sorry to take all that time, but they let you guys make your picks too.
18:38But Jake, also rookie season Bajon Robinson says hi in the worry about a highly touted running back in a situation where, oh, look, Tyler Algier corollary here.
18:46This is a real get your guys draft for you, Debro, so far.
18:50Jalen Waddell, Javante Williams, Parker Washington, your last three picks.
18:52I was in between Parker Washington and David Montgomery, but considering I went Javante Williams, so I got locked up my top two running backs.
18:59I'm willing to punt it, and I look at like Parker Washington versus somebody like Carnell Tate, which Cam Ward did not look great.
19:06I'm not willing to bury him as much as most, given the context of the tape in week one for the preseason.
19:12I think there is some context to be had with everybody just posting stuff and being like, oh, my gosh, Cam Ward, what are you doing?
19:19And not really watching the all 22. But Dyson threw hairs here.
19:22It's it's always been Parker Washington for me. I will say it again.
19:26He is the upside swing that people need to take a wide receiver in the middle rounds.
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21:04Health care just got less painful. All right, Jake, I do want to ask about the Drake May pick.
21:09Did that just feel like too good of a value for a Tier 1 quarterback, or were you planning to take a quarterback in this range?
21:16I just really wanted to say, it's gonna be May.
21:19That's all. That's the only reason I did. No.
21:22Like, May at 6'1"? Like, this just feels kind of crazy to me.
21:25And also, the part of it was how the board fell.
21:28So, Judkins was the last of what I thought was a potential top 20 running back still sitting there with that volume and that offense.
21:35And we saw Tate, Parker Washington, other wide receivers go, which, like, I'm looking at all the wide receivers.
21:40I'm like, is there really that big a difference between wide receivers now and two rounds from now?
21:45So, that's why it was May. I think that if you look at it, we just had him have his QB2 performance, everything we thought it could be.
21:53And he gets A.J. Brown and Romeo Dobbs, who's the two, by the way, better than anything he had as the one last year.
22:00And he's still gonna run. And people are like, eh, I don't know if I want May.
22:04Like, I'll take May in the sixth every time I can.
22:07Yeah. Yeah, that just feels like real value. Also, tons of running backs going off the board here.
22:122, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 of the last 16 picks are running backs.
22:17Oh, this is gonna be perfect for my wide receivers.
22:20This is a good call. This is not good for me as I was so receiver heavy early.
22:25I was counting on some of these guys getting back to me.
22:29Fitz, you take the last of that group of running backs.
22:32Is that just like you're trying to catch on before they're all go?
22:35Or was Warren somebody that you really like in the mid-sixth?
22:38Big teardrop off for me after Warren. And I was heartbroken that Travion Henderson went right in front of me.
22:44Like, I can't believe he lasted that late. I just think the upside is such that if Ramondre continues to have an
22:50edge in touches in this backfield, like Henderson is a mid-sixth, there's gonna be like a small value loss in drafts.
22:56But man, the potential, he could be such a massive win for you if he ends up getting more carries this year
23:02than Ramondre Stevenson, which I kind of think is gonna happen.
23:05He's just a more explosive player. And I feel like the backfield takeover is imminent.
23:09Would Brooks have been your pick if he was there too?
23:12I've still got Warren ahead of Brooks, just barely.
23:14Hmm. Okay. Brooks would have been my pick if he got back to me.
23:18Obviously, it didn't happen. Goes in the middle of the sixth.
23:21Jake, what do you think about that landing spot for Brooks in terms of mid-sixth round pick?
23:26Does that feel like where he belongs at this point?
23:29It does for me. And I would take him over Tony Pollard.
23:32I know Debro's been different on the Pollard than I have.
23:35We're on different pages than that. I would take him over Price, and I'm a big fan of Price.
23:40It really just comes down to the fact that we were looking for the door to be open for Brooks to be
23:46the talent that we thought he could be out of Texas.
23:49And that was without an injury. We all thought it could happen.
23:53And then the injury happens. And we're probably not seeing Hubbard until week one, if by then.
23:57Brooks has every opportunity. I know some people watch that game and are like, oh, Brooks didn't look as explosive as we remember.
24:04However, you're telling me the dude coming off these injuries might be a little bit hesitant to just go full bore in
24:10his first action on the field since he's had these two injuries.
24:13So I'm not that worried about just one game overreaction, which seems to be what we should be doing anyway.
24:19It's one week. I know I said that earlier, my overreaction on Tua, but I think that one's a little bit different.
24:25I'm still in on Brooks, basically. Debro, you clearly do have Pollard over Brooks and Henderson and Warren because you took him over those guys.
24:31Is there a gap there for you or he's just at the top of a cluster?
24:36There's a gap. But the other thing I wanted to see where Brooks went in this draft, like if he did go
24:42the back end of the sixth or the top of the seventh.
24:45So I was comfortable like seeing if I could get him in the seventh round just depending on how the draft felt.
24:51But again, I don't want to overreact to I know people are going to look at the Tajay Spears and Tony Pollard usage in week one of preseason.
24:59Look at the history of Brian Dayball as an offensive coordinator and head coach.
25:03He leans on one running back. This is not going to be a committee backfield.
25:07So I'm not worried about that right now. Fitz, do you have a favorite start that anybody has?
25:12And obviously, we're like six and a half rounds in.
25:15So you don't look at every single name. But the first few picks, I usually ask this a little bit earlier.
25:21But three to five picks. Is there sort of an early core that you really like what somebody's done so far in this draft?
25:27I like Jake's start from the back end with Chase, AJB.
25:30Getting Kyron at 312 just feels like such a steal.
25:33And then Tee Higgins early fourth. I feel like Jake is maybe off to a pretty fast start.
25:38Debro, anybody looks good to your eyes in terms of a start?
25:41I think whoever's drafted from the 102. I don't know if that's a bot or one of our Discord members.
25:47The Gibbs, Barkley start, then Josh Allen. I really like what they did to go back and all the wide receivers going Mike Evans, Christian Watson, Chris Godwin.
25:54That's a pretty solid top three considering they started with two running backs and a quarterback.
25:59Yeah, that's a good receiving group considering the start to your point.
26:02I like T-Rex Arms, CeeDee Lamb, O'Marion Hampton, Garrett Wilson, Colson Loveland, Carnell Tate, Janarian Price as the first six picks I'm on board with.
26:09I actually really like Gilbert, I guess is the name from the 109.
26:13Jonathan Taylor, Ashton Gentty, Ted Rowe McMillan, Terry McLaurin, David Montgomery, Marvin Harrison Jr.
26:17Jalen Hurts as the first seven picks. I really like that.
26:20I think that's my favorite so far. Jake, you just made your two picks here.
26:24Sutton and Metcalf. Any teams besides your own that you really like?
26:27Like, I actually like when I made that joke about Fitz saying his own, I actually, I like his team.
26:33I like the fact of Warren is his third running back.
26:36Burden is your third wide receiver, which, you know, two weeks ago, Burden was most people's second wide receiver.
26:41And then Fannin's one of my favorite mid-round tight end targets.
26:44I think he could lead the Browns in targets, even though quarterback play is garbage.
26:48But to go back to my, like, I just love how that felt.
26:52Definitely came down to the wide receivers kind of falling down the board and a lot of running backs going.
26:57But when I was sitting there with Judkins May, the wide receivers I was talking about of seeing not a big difference
27:03between like Downs and a Hurt Tyson and Quinton Johnston versus Sutton and Metcalf, who I'll take as my three and four
27:09every single time when I don't have to plug them in as my top two after already having three running backs yet.
27:15Like, not to like laud my own team, but I kind of just love, like, I don't think this is the 12.
27:21Like, you're going to, you're not going to have this kind of fall happen every single draft.
27:26It's just, you kind of have to sit there and hopefully let it happen.
27:30And it did. It just happened to fall the right way.
27:33Fitz, obviously Jake just mentioned your Fannin pick. I took Tucker Craft a few spots before you took Fannin.
27:38As the Packers guy, would you have taken Craft if he was there?
27:42Or do you prefer Fannin? I am really torn in that tier with Craft, Fannin, Pitts, Laporta.
27:46Right now I've got Craft just ahead of Fannin, but I'm wondering about that because Craft himself was just talking about how
27:52he might have a snap somewhat limited for the first half of the regular season.
27:57So I might have to move him down and move up Fannin.
28:00I get excited listening to the Athletic Football Podcast the other day.
28:03Jake's outfit, you know, Robert Mays going on tour talking to the beat writers.
28:07And it sounds like in Cleveland, like they're just over the moon with Harold Fannin.
28:11And like, I think he's just a special player.
28:14And I tend to believe it. After the final college season, he had leading FBS in receptions and receiving yardage and then
28:20going and just basically dislodging David Njoku in Cleveland in his first year and having a fantastic season.
28:25I think Fannin's pretty special. Yeah, it's just the offense, right?
28:28That's all the question that there is when thinking about him.
28:31But as a player, what he did at his age and as a rookie in what was also a poor offense a
28:37year ago, I think you just get really excited about the upside there.
28:40So yeah, I was sort of torn too. I just, I love Craft the player so much that I want to buy
28:47into the injury optimism and, you know, the return.
28:49And the way he was playing when he was healthy last year makes the last pick of the sixth round of steel for this draft, right?
28:56Like, I mean, he was awesome last year. So not saying that he'll get back to that level immediately, but trying to be optimistic here on that one.
29:04Debro, you obviously took one of those tight ends that we're talking about as well in Laporta.
29:09Where does he fit into that tier for you?
29:11With the craft news, I did push Sam Laporta over Tucker Craft and rankings.
29:15And this is not like, I don't think Tucker Craft is going to be just crushed by this rep stuff because I
29:21think he's still going to see a really high target per route run rate, a high design target rate, which is going
29:27to kind of counteract some of that. But to get Sam Laporta at real time ADP right now, tight end 5, 62nd
29:33overall in the eighth round, I looked at as a, just a massive value.
29:37Jake, you are the only one of us who doesn't have a tight end yet.
29:41Was that intentional? Are you trying to go late tight end in your drafts?
29:45No, again, this is the 12th pick and how the board kind of fell.
29:49And the fact that I did go early-ish quarterback at the 5, 6 turn, as we mentioned earlier, that steered me a
29:55little bit away from going tight end again, more so because I wanted to shore up my third and fourth wide receiver versus what was there.
30:02You know, hindsight, this is what it's looking at.
30:05Would I love to have a Pitts or a Laporta or whatever, but Pitts went right before me.
30:10Laporta is off the board, as you just talked about, the D-bro.
30:13There's still some names there, which I think I might be able to get the one that I really want to get.
30:19Well, assuming nobody else, I'll just say, assuming nobody doubles up on tight end already.
30:23Like, I just love getting George Kittle because I'll figure out the first two weeks if he's not 100% until week three.
30:29Like, that's something where if Kittle was 100% at the start of the season, especially with the loss of Ricky Pearsall, we're
30:35talking about a top three finish again for George Kittle.
30:38So to get him what is going to be now the 9-10 turn, that's another that I'll do every single time and
30:44figure out my tight end early in the season somewhere else.
30:47Unless somebody doubles up at tight end. Let's make sure he actually gets to your first.
30:51They're not listening, so I can't. Yeah. So fortunately.
30:54Figuring out tight end for Jake might just be grabbing Jake Tonjes for the first couple of weeks if Kittle's going to be out.
31:01Yeah. True. Not a huge difference from some of these other guys.
31:04And I was just kind of leaning to the late round quarterback here.
31:07Did you feel like Dak was a bit of a tear break for you?
31:11Yeah. I mean, a guy in a terrific offense with very little turnover in personnel, solid offensive line, and just that dynamic
31:17duo at receiver with CeeDee Lamb and George Pickens.
31:20I felt a little more excited about Dak than anyone else left at quarterback.
31:24Yeah. And D-Ro, were you going to take Jalen Coker if he got to?
31:28Yeah. I knew Jake and I were going to be fighting over him as soon as Jake, like I switched over to
31:34StreamYard and I was like off the board. I was like, I know.
31:37I see you, Jake. I see you. He didn't want to get sniped on Coker again this draft.
31:42No, I was able to snipe you back after the last one.
31:45Like, honestly, like I will say this. If Coker had gone, if you had taken him instead of Gainwell, and then how
31:52things I like, I have a feeling he's going to go.
31:55And he's, there's no way he's making all the way back to the 11, 12.
31:59So I don't even have to worry about you guys stealing it.
32:02But Tyler Algier at this point, given what we said about love earlier.
32:06Yeah, that's a good call. That's somebody, especially like, this is one where like, I don't really like to hammer handcuffs, but
32:12if you want to love and then take Algier to cover until love comes back, or you're taking a flyer on some
32:18other position where maybe they're banged up to start the year and you're worried about that.
32:22Like Algier is the first perfect first two, three, four weeks of then like, Hey, then I can wait on a rookie
32:28or then I can wait on this injury just to fill in.
32:32Um, Debra, you go with one of your favorites, Casey Concepcion here with your next pick.
32:36Yeah. Everybody learning in real time that he can catch the ball.
32:39He is credibly in town. He's incredibly talented and he's going to get some rushing production in this offense.
32:44I mean, we just saw him being a dog out there.
32:47So I've said it throughout the entirety of the draft season.
32:51He has been drafted way too late. Like people aren't worried about like, I know, and this is no shade to Fitzy.
32:57Like, but we were talking about Harold Vann earlier.
32:59People are willing to draft him aggressively and believe in the talent, but then you got Casey Concepcion and Boston falling down, down the draft board.
33:06And it's like, they all still have the same quarterback play.
33:09Uh, I'll take the wide receiver values. Fitzy go with Jaden Higgins here.
33:13Another favorite from a lot of the folks on this show.
33:16Yeah. Yeah. The buzz around him has been pretty good and it's not just the coaches.
33:20It was Nico Collins talking about how he thinks the sky is the limit for Higgins and how he could be a
33:26guy who's like potentially, uh, one of the, the iconic players in the league.
33:30I mean, immense physical tools with his size and, and speed combination, pretty rare stuff.
33:34And like the clear number two in Houston, it's just a question of how much they're going to throw.
33:40I mean, I think we do expect them to have one of the higher running rates in the league with that elite
33:46defense and maybe trying to hide CJ Stroud, their quarterback just a little bit, but potential for a big breakout for Jaden Higgins in year two.
33:53You know who else loves him? Steve Smith. So Steve Smith, he's talking to him.
33:57Yeah. Doing it. And that's like coming from somebody that's like, Hey, if you don't believe I was a big Jaden Higgins
34:03guy, I actually think, uh, so Dane Brugler, my cohort, the draft cohort over at the athletic that definitely knows scouting better than me.
34:10I will say compared them to Nico Collins. I thought that was lofty.
34:13I compared him to Marvin Jones, but even Marvin Jones, thousand, 1100 yards, six, seven, eight touchdowns.
34:18We're talking about a wide receiver three. Tyler Algier does go with the 10, 10 there, Jake.
34:23So as you mentioned, was not going to get back all the way around.
34:26No, uh, I've been with a couple of rookies, just the opportunity for Dijon Stribbling.
34:31You know, I don't love the player, but I figure late 10th, you know, he's my wide receiver five, the opportunity in
34:37what should be a pretty good offense. And then Jonah Coleman, you know, I took RJ Harvey already.
34:42I'm kind of taking my shot at having whoever it is that you want to have in that backfield when JK Dobbins
34:48is hurt, which, you know, we obviously are very used to seeing.
34:51So I'm not sure if it's Harvey or Coleman, I like both players in their own ways, but, um, I think Coleman in the 11th is a pick.
34:59I'm going to be really happy to make it every time.
35:02Can I jump in on Stribbling real quick for everybody out there?
35:05Please do not draft Stribbling. If you're going to drop them after week two, like you're not drafting Stribbling to start this year.
35:11He is behind Mike Evans, Debo Samuel, George Kittle, CMC.
35:14Like he's fighting for fifth right now. Like you're drafting on the upside because this might be the most fractured, fragile offense
35:20offense in the entire league where it's going to take one, maybe even two injuries.
35:24So don't draft these like same thing with your handcuffs.
35:27Don't draft these guys and then immediately drop them a week two.
35:30That's not why you're drafting them. I would say that too, not just the handcuffs, but I would say that for like almost all rookie receivers, right?
35:38These guys tend to be really good bets in the second half of the season.
35:42So even some of the other, like Debro taking Casey Concepcion, Denzel Boston just goes one pick before Debro here on the, on the way back.
35:49Like those types of play, Makai Lemon in the ninth, not he's a first rounder, so probably that wouldn't have happened anyway,
35:55but like, I think it's a great point for really all the rookie receivers is you're, you're drafting them for, you know, late October and beyond.
36:02It's not for right now. And we have our first kicker off.
36:06There's the first kicker breaking the glass. Jake gets sniped on Brandon.
36:09Oh yeah, sniped on. Yeah. You knew Jake was going to go with the kicker here.
36:13It's funny. This is the first time we died.
36:16I was like, not even sure what color the kicker would pop up as because I've done so few bots.
36:21As close as we can get to doo doo Brown.
36:24That's why it's orange. Oh man. D-Row Marshawn Lloyd, another one of your guys here that you take with the 1108.
36:30Yeah. Josh Jacobs has an knee injury. We'll see when we see him on the field.
36:34And I mean, the, the volume is kind of taking a toll, man.
36:38Like he was a shell of himself last year to finish the season.
36:42Lloyd looked explosive, some vision concerns in his first game back, but I think that's more just knocking the rust off.
36:47So at this point in the draft, yeah, I'll happily take Lloyd.
36:51By the way, Jake, since you couldn't take Aubrey, you go with a couple of running backs here and Keaton Mitchell and Braylon Allen.
36:57Do you think Mitchell, like, is that just, you're viewing him as more of a handcuff situation or do you think there's
37:03real upside just given the fit in the offense?
37:06And are you buying into McDaniels comments that there, you know, might be more of a committee?
37:11Yes, no, yes. I think, wait, I'm trying to track over there because there's a lot of questions in there.
37:16So Keaton Mitchell is somebody that I have on a lot of rosters so far to go the McDaniel thing.
37:22Yes, I believe him. No, I'm not afraid when it comes to Marion Hampton because I wasn't afraid when we saw, oh,
37:28by the way, two RB1s on his same team with split workload that everybody's concerned.
37:32Like Hampton's still a great pick, but so is Mitchell because he could potentially have standalone value.
37:36But no, I don't actually think he'll be like the clear lead if something were to happen to Hampton.
37:42I actually do think of Vidal and him with split kind of more like a stealer scenario.
37:46So, but that being said, that's still even better RB3 value potentially.
37:50So that's really why Mitchell has been a lot of my picks in the 11th, 12th round.
37:54And then Braylon Allen is just simply because of the Brees Hall injury.
37:58It was already one of the better backup options to roster.
38:01And I'm an Isaiah Davis fan, but I don't really think Isaiah Davis is going to be more than a timeshare if
38:07we do get time missed by Brees Hall. So it's just, that was the target there.
38:11D-Bro, I, you and I were the last two to take a quarterback.
38:15I haven't taken one yet, but I knew that you were, I don't really like Dart as much as you.
38:21So I knew that I could continue to wait because I knew that that would be your guy.
38:26I mean, rushing upside and the guy that, uh, like basically you take out the Minnesota game where he scored one fantasy
38:32point and he was scoring more points per game last year than Josh Allen.
38:35Yeah. The 12th round. Uh, yeah. I'll like Jackson.
38:38I totally get the upside, but I mean, he, what is it?
38:4145% of his career games. He's gone into the blue tent.
38:4443%. Yeah. This just like, that scares me. I mean, unfortunately he can't pass block for himself.
38:49Tyrone Tracy whipping and then him getting crushed in the preseason.
38:52What is it? Wasn't his fault. So you saw that.
38:55I think that was either an audible or something like that seemed like a missed assignment because he wasn't even, he didn't
39:01even check over there to see that Tracy was going to grab the guy.
39:05Like, I don't feel like that was, I mean, Tracy missed a block to be clear.
39:09Like he called him. I mean, Tracy whiffed bad.
39:12A hundred percent. But I feel like I watched it a couple of times.
39:15I don't feel like Tracy was even in the right spot for that.
39:19Like something seemed all for that entire play. Yeah, that's fair.
39:22But, um, to the point of, I think the coaching staff is also kind of telling us, Tyrone Tracy on thin ice, uh, Najee Harris visiting the team.
39:30Oh, Najee. Well, I think that's more also Devin Singletary got dingles that dingle, singletary, Devin single dingle, dingle, berry left in the second quarter.
39:37With all the starters. Like I'm worried about Scadaboo at this point, like his workload.
39:41You should be, you should be. I mean, day three running back, new coaching staff.
39:45Everybody just automatically assumes he's the clear RB one bell cow.
39:48And it's like, this team doesn't have any allegiances to Cam Scadaboo between his back flips and Tyrone Tracy blowing past bro.
39:54Um, yeah, it makes a lot of sense where they're working at running backs.
39:58By the way, we have the first defense off the board as well.
40:01It is the Texans here in late round 12.
40:04I assume Jake, like I have known your stance on kickers for a while.
40:08I assume similar thoughts on defense in terms of just like you're waiting to the last round regardless.
40:13Or is there ever a situation where you're willing to reach a route or two late to get one?
40:18No, I'm not going to reach mostly because I reference this a lot.
40:22I think I said at the Debra before the show a couple of days ago or last week or whatever it was.
40:28But the last defense to finish number one in fantasy back-to-back years was the Steelers in 2000 and 2001.
40:33Now there's been defenses that have finished top five in back-to-back seasons, but just kind of throwing out like how, you know,
40:39we, we see the fluctuation within seasons, let alone years.
40:42And I get it. And if like the Texans, you want to take them in the 15th or late 14th to make
40:48sure you got them or the Seahawks, I could understand that, but I'm more of the one that will target.
40:53I'm looking at the first two or three weeks, find me a team that has a real soft first two or three weeks.
41:00And that's who I'll go for because a lot of times we don't even know who the good defenses are until weeks five and six.
41:07Yeah, I totally agree that that's very usually my approach as well.
41:10Fitz, you've taken a couple of receivers with the last two picks, Xavier Worthy and Dontavian Wicks.
41:15That Wicks pick is good, Fitzy. I'm not going to lie.
41:18You sniped me on that. Did I? Yeah. Wicks, especially with Makai Lemon banged up and Wicks is an interesting player.
41:23Like he's had troubles at the catch points, but he is a really good route runner who I know Matt LaFleur has compared to Devante Adams.
41:31And Adams was another guy who kind of had issues with his hands early in his career, got rid of those issues and became a superstar.
41:38Maybe there's a pathway for Wicks to do the same.
41:40And really, he's like the only pure kind of big outside receiver the Eagles have.
41:45And, you know, that's where Jalen Hurts has had some success throwing outside.
41:48Like he we think he can throw over the middle, but he hasn't done a lot of it.
41:53So and then Xavier Worthy, I just wish his shoulder wasn't banged up again.
41:57That's kind of unfortunate. But he's a guy who did flash in his rookie year after the Rasheed Rice injury.
42:03Then last year was kind of a washout for him after he hurt his shoulder early on.
42:07And I'm hoping for a bounce back. But, you know, more shoulder issues for a pretty slightly built guy concerning.
42:13No question. Debro, I want to get your opinion on Purdy, who you took here to pair with Dart.
42:18Obviously, it's kind of go for some more safety paired with the, you know, sort of volatility of Dart.
42:23Where are you ranking Purdy this year just with all the injuries to the receiving room so far that we've seen in San Francisco?
42:30I mean, Mike Evans already back in practice. Debo is healthy right now, so I'm not worried about it too much.
42:36I've got Purdy at QB 10. I think he's locked in top 12 guy.
42:39It's where he's finished basically every single year over the last few and points per game.
42:44So, yeah, combination of ceiling and floor and Jake, you suck.
42:47That was a good pick. Which one? Mike Washington.
42:49Yeah. I also wanted to ask Worm. Did you mean to grab Mike Washington or Malik with?
42:54No, I have just always been a big fan of Malik.
42:57And I feel like I know he had a great, like Caleb Douglas had a great catch.
43:02Obviously, Jake just took him in the preseason game.
43:04I still am just taking a swing on Washington being the lead target earner in this offense throughout the course of the
43:10season because I believe in the player and there's like so much uncertainty there.
43:14And this is PPR and that was kind of his thing when he was, you know, like sort of used in that ideal way in college.
43:21So, no. But I did look at Mike Washington when I made the pick.
43:25And when he made that pick, I was like, oh, I could have gone back to back Washington's at my turn.
43:31But no, I did consider Mike. I did intentionally.
43:33I just took him because it's legitimate. What is today's date?
43:37The 17th. And I'm like, if we see an injury to Gentee tomorrow, like that's really all it comes down to.
43:42Clear, clear workhorse in that backfield. For sure. If anything happens to Gentee, Washington's going to freaking eat.
43:47Yeah. So, a great handcuff target at this point in the draft for sure.
43:51And then Caleb Douglas, Jake being your other pick there.
43:54Do you think he's wide receiver one in Miami?
43:56Are you buying the preseason hype? What do you make of that receiving room?
44:00So, if you go all the way back to the show that we did like right after the draft, I think Debra was on that one.
44:07I was with Fitz or maybe both of you.
44:10I don't remember. I made the point at that time.
44:13I was like, look, I wasn't the biggest Caleb Douglas fan.
44:16The entire draft community, nobody thought he was going that early in the draft.
44:20But the Dolphins took him. The Dolphins took him before the better talent, which we know is her and Chris Bell.
44:25But there's been talk since then and since now that he could be the number one.
44:30And just taking the chance that Malik Willis is going to support at least one wide receiver if Douglas is the number one, similar to the Washington argument.
44:37It was Tolbert seemingly like three or four weeks ago.
44:40He got a little bit of buzz for a run there, but it's come back to Douglas.
44:45It just comes down to the opportunity of being the one on that team.
44:49And then, you know, at the end of the year, but he's a, I'll say there's two things.
44:54He's won the, at the last pick of the 13th round, the Dolphins and Raiders answer might be nobody outside of Brock Bowers.
45:00Like the answer might be nobody at wide receiver.
45:03And that's okay. Cause it's only a 13th rounder.
45:05I did. I did take bash here in terms of the receivers in Vegas on the other side of it here.
45:11Since just, I was thinking about you taking Washington there too.
45:14What do you think about that? Best pick Debra?
45:16I know he was a player that you liked previously, obviously didn't do anything as a rookie.
45:21I liked him a lot as a prospect, man.
45:23Lost rookie season. Haven't heard a lot of great camp reports.
45:27Although I saw the touchdown in preseason. I'm kind of, you know, nailer.
45:30I'm just kind of avoiding the passing attack, but I mean, I don't hate like this late to take a shot on Bish.
45:36Worm, you passed on Jacoby Lane, who's lighting it up in Baltimore training camp.
45:40I know. I mean, I thought he was going to be, you know, collect them all, but with the Ravens, but I guess not.
45:47I mean, listen, it's been super fun. I hope they hit on a mid-round receiver for the first time basically ever in
45:53Baltimore, but I need to see it happen against actual defenses.
45:56And training camp is designed for him to excel, like with his skill set.
46:00And I don't know that he's going to be getting open too often at the NFL level.
46:05I hope I'm wrong. You're not buying into the beat writer reports as one of the best wide receivers they've ever seen in history of like training camps?
46:12I mean, I don't know. I put some stock.
46:15I don't put a lot of stock in that.
46:17I do put some. These are like generally measured guys who are covering the team who are like talking very, speaking very highly.
46:24But I think it's worth remembering that like the Ravens haven't had that many great receivers to kind of compare against it.
46:30So was that for me, Jake? Was your frustration for me?
46:33Yeah. Yeah. So for everybody out there that doesn't know, the Chargers get the Cardinals and the Raiders at home in the first two weeks.
46:40Yes, they do. So there's your answer of what you want in defense.
46:43Yes. I went with the Packers getting the Vikings and Jets.
46:46I felt like it was a pretty good start as well.
46:49Yeah. But it's the Chargers who was already the son of them.
46:53I also don't know how much I trust the Chargers losing.
46:56I thought Jesse Minter covered a lot of weaknesses roster wise on that defense.
46:59I wonder if they might be not very good.
47:02But the Cardinals week one will help a lot of the Rams.
47:05So, you know. Oh, I guess Jaguars get the Browns.
47:08Yeah. There we go. Deshaun Watson. Ha! I don't have to take a kicker.
47:12Oh, it didn't make – okay. Well, Jake's not playing by the rules here.
47:16I mean, to be fair, if I – you know, I'm drafting a kicker here.
47:20But if I didn't have to in any league, like know your league settings.
47:24Yes. Yeah. Don't draft a kicker, people. It is worth saying that.
47:27I would definitely – we would all, I think, advise if you can avoid it, avoid it.
47:32And to be fair, I also would have not stashed Patrick Mahomes behind Drake May.
47:36I would have stashed another running back or wide receiver or even a second defense at that point because you have plenty
47:42of time to go pick up your kicker before week one.
47:45But I would have taken another flyer at running back or wide receiver.
47:49I didn't think it was going to let me do it.
47:52I just wanted to make the noise. And then I was surprised it let me.
47:56We always take a look at the draft analyzer at the end of these episodes.
48:00I wonder what it's going to – if it's going to show you like lesser because you're getting zeros from that roster
48:06spot each week based on the projection. We'll see.
48:08Hey, I have an industry league with a Deshaun Hamilton jersey because they gave me that instead of the prize for first place.
48:15It's an industry league where I won without playing a kicker the entire year because I went into Monday Night Football with
48:21Deshaun Hamilton and the Broncos defense against the Raiders and behind.
48:24And they're like, go pick up the Raiders kicker.
48:26And I was like, no, I will live and die by no kickers.
48:30And I still won the league. So I got to get Deshaun Hamilton jersey.
48:34Remember, shout out to Deshaun. Yeah, I was like, that jersey is worth a lot these days.
48:38Yeah, three cents. By the way, Bunting, one of our favorite Discord users following your lead, they did not draft a kicker as well.
48:45You broke the seal of no kickers. Yeah, he really played it too because he didn't even take a defense or a kicker until the final round.
48:52Yeah. All right, we'll see whatever kicker I end up with here.
48:56Two picks away. And then we'll check out how we did based on the draft analyzer.
49:00Oh, Wyrm. I'm so sorry. Tower Loop win. I was just about to say that Raiders kicker just went.
49:05Loop's not a good kicker. I'm fine with that, honestly.
49:08You can take the Aurora Borealis for the Patriots.
49:11I'll take Jake Bates here and not put any thought into whoever.
49:14It's just whoever is ranked at the top of the court.
49:17The kicker for the head coach who likes to go for it on fourth down more aggressively.
49:22But I think that's a lot. I think they're good offense.
49:25They'll be in position a lot. And I actually do wonder the interior offensive line is so banged up and like changing
49:31there that I wonder if he will go for it a little bit less.
49:35So with that in mind, that's – listen, I'm not going to sit here and try and justify a kicker pick.
49:40You know what the best thing is? I don't have a kicker and it ranked me 11th, not even 12th.
49:46Yeah. Well, you're not the only one who got a kicker.
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50:09Let's take a look at these projected standings here.
50:11Fitz is at 6. I am right behind him at 7.
50:14Jake is right behind me at 8. And then Debro is at 11th here in the projected standings that I'm seeing.
50:20Scott's tot, so I believe that the third pick, is at the top.
50:23Let's take a look at some of these expert opinions here.
50:27None of you guys loved or hated my draft based on the system here, so I can't point to any of you guys here.
50:33Fitz, how's your team looking based on the analyzer?
50:36Yeah, a B. So deemed to be maybe a little below average at quarterback and running back.
50:40And I kind of like my running backs. I thought Josh Jacobs is okay value there.
50:45Like, I don't think this knee issue is that big a deal.
50:48I think if we were going to see any sort of charges against him or league discipline, like, we would have had movement on it.
50:55But now, I don't think there's going to be league discipline short of charges.
50:59And this is a guy who scored basically a touchdown a game for the Packers over the last two years since he joined the team.
51:06So, yeah, getting him in the fifth, not the fourth.
51:08I like that value. So, yeah, I'm okay with this team.
51:11Didn't love it. There were a couple times I sort of got sniped.
51:15But I kind of wanted to take on a challenging draft position.
51:18And I think the five hole is one of the more challenging spots in the first round.
51:23Interestingly, I'm looking at my pick analysis. And four of my first five picks were receiver.
51:27And the thing that it says could have made my team even better is if I had taken a receiver in the
51:34second round as well and made that fourth pick a running back.
51:37So, that's surprising. It's saying I should have taken Rasheed Rice at the 2-12 and then Josh Jacobs at the 4-12 as opposed to Henry and Adunze.
51:44So, that would have made me even more. So, it still would have been four of the first five.
51:49But it would have made me even more heavily weighted on the receiver side than I was.
51:54I do see a real gap between Henry and Jacobs.
51:57So, I'm comfortable with the decision that I made there in that regard.
52:01But yeah, that was the number one pick analysis for me, which just kind of made me laugh given how much I went into receivers anyway.
52:08Debro, how's your team looking? I like this team a lot more.
52:11I mean, I gave myself a 99. Chris Welsh, shout out to Welshie, gave me an 84.
52:16Jeff Lambert gave me a 63. So, Lambert, we're going to have to have some words after the show.
52:21Pick analysis tells me I would have gained 35 points if I would have taken Aaron Jones and Xavier Worthy over Casey Concepcion and Marshawn Lloyd.
52:28Yeah, I'm fine with the Casey side. I don't know where you guys sit.
52:32Well, it's a bit of an upside play too, right?
52:35Compared to like an Aaron Jones. Aaron Jones, I have no faith in staying healthy.
52:39Xavier Worthy at this point, no. I'm good. Jake, how's your team looking?
52:42It's a team that I probably would come out with a lot of times.
52:46We've talked about a lot of the picks throughout it.
52:49And if you look at just the draft board in general, from my starters to my bench, it's a team that I'm
52:55going to develop in a lot of places, especially if I'm picking this late.
52:59Between Chase Brown and Kyron Lewis, which by the way, it suggested a lot for my biggest jump being switching Chase Brown to Drake London.
53:06And then instead of taking – who was it later?
53:09It was somebody later. Oh, Caleb Douglas. Instead of taking that to go that situation and swap out Caleb Douglas for somebody else.
53:15And I was like, yeah, but that was a flyer at that point.
53:19We talked about the Drake London, but I still have A.J.
53:22Brown, T. Higgins, D.K. Metcalf. Not the best third wide receiver, but between Sutton and Metcalf being able to play one of
53:28those, which it rates out Juggins as the best flex in the league, which I would probably agree with, at least on my aspect.
53:34I think that Juggins is top 20. It's a team I like.
53:38I got dinged because of Kittle, which, again, I'll play that game.
53:41It would go back to that flyer within the homestake.
53:44I would have filled that in with the tight end potentially.
53:47Yeah. Jokes aside about the kicker and all that type of stuff, but I would have made up for that.
53:52But to have Coker, Mitchell, Allen, like those kind of flyers on the bench, we talk about it a lot.
53:58I think the biggest mistake – I have the article of The Athletic.
54:01It's like some of the biggest mistakes people make in fantasy.
54:04One of the biggest mistakes is not maximizing your bench potential.
54:07Like every single player on your bench can't be just pure upside.
54:11But like once you get one or two guys, your other three or four need to be, how can blank player be
54:17top 25, top 30 in his position? And if the answer is it's never going to happen, then don't worry about drafting
54:23them because all those other guys are on the waiver every single week.
54:26Can I hit Jake with a quick question about his strategy from the turn?
54:30I'm just curious, Jake. Like what – in a league where you have to start three receivers like this one, are you
54:36pretty set on taking one running back, one wide receiver at the turn?
54:40Or are you flexible depending on who's there? Like would you consider going RBRB?
54:44I would be flexible either direction. I could see going – like if Jonathan Taylor had made it, I would have probably
54:50went Taylor Brown mostly because as much as I like Hampton, Jake D.
54:53Chase Brown, not A.J. Brown. Yes, correct. I would have double tapped running back.
54:57If Chase Brown goes in front of me and somehow – I don't know, like Jefferson makes it back to me and then I go Jefferson, A.J.
55:05Brown. Or like I said, if we knew that Penix was starting, I would consider London in there.
55:10I could see it going either way. The bigger thing to your question, Fitz, and I think you guys all know this,
55:16is it comes down to trying to predict more once you get into those five, six, seven, eighth rounds where it's like,
55:22all right, now I got to start preparing for potential runs.
55:25And that's why when we were talking about earlier focusing on like – that's why Judkins, like maybe Judkins, that was great value on Jacobs.
55:32But running backs were about to get blown up.
55:34There is no way – like I would have rather had a third wide receiver in a vacuum, but knowing what was
55:40going to happen to running back versus wide receiver at that point, that's more about trying to pick at the turn, just trying to predict those runs.
55:48I think you got really good value on Sutton as your wide receiver three.
55:52I think he's getting a little bit too much disrespect.
55:54Agreed. I would have taken him over Stefan Diggs, but I already made the investment in Jalen Waddell, so like I didn't
56:00want to double tap Broncos receivers, although like I'm not against it.
56:04But I look at both those guys in the same kind of area code.
56:08But again, like Sutton just – you can get them as your wide receiver four on teams.
56:12And like there's an easy scenario with the passing volume where Bo Nix supports two top 24 wide receivers this year.
56:18To Jake's point, I feel like I didn't do a very good job of anticipating those runs.
56:23That running back run and that like round five, six range really hurt me.
56:27I felt like I wish I had maybe gone a running – like taking Josh Jacobs instead of DJ Moore there at the turn.
56:33Yeah, but for your makeup, I mean you essentially went hero RB.
56:37And Stevenson as your flex isn't bad when you have four wide receivers, DJ Moore is your fourth wide receiver.
56:42Fifth and sixth round hurt you a lot though.
56:45Like I mean dude, that was a lot of freaking running backs.
56:48That was the round that hurt. I was anticipating getting one – in an ideal world, I was hoping to get two
56:54of that group of those 12 guys that win and hoping – but at least was going to get one.
56:59So for them to all go was what really hurt me and kind of had to pivot there.
57:04I think in hindsight, I would have wished I had gone Gibbs or Bijon instead of Chase first overall just given that
57:10I felt like there was more receivers available in those mid rounds.
57:14But again, I like Chase so much that I don't – like in a vacuum, I don't feel bad about making that decision at all.
57:21Yeah, but if you look at that too – or you don't go Chase.
57:24You go Gibbs or Bijon. You come back. Nico's already off the board.
57:28So your first two wide receivers, if you went wide receiver, wide receiver would be Neighbors, Rice, Flowers, Smith.
57:33You're already in that next tier down. So arguably, I don't know that it would have been that much better.
57:39That's fair. It's tough picking on the end. I always pick the end just because it's easier hosting the show.
57:44But I do think that as we've done more and more of these, I do find myself wishing I was picking in
57:50the middle more and can just be kind of like in the middle of these runs.
57:55The back end more than the front end. Yeah, I agree.
57:58I went into draft season anticipating that I would prefer an early pick in this year's drafts just given how much I like those first three names.
58:05But I do think the more I've done this, the more I prefer back end.
58:09Like I think that like 9, 10, 11 range, I think I've been really comfortable with.
58:14Almost always my favorite teams, and that's why I want to wrap up this conversation, are coming in that range.
58:19I already mentioned them earlier. But at the 109, Gilbert, Taylor, Gentty, Tedrow McMillan, Terry McLaurin, David Montgomery, Marvin Harrison Jr., Jalen Hurts.
58:26I didn't love Travis Kelsey. I wish they had taken Sam Laporta instead.
58:29But, you know, Jane Reed, Kamara Pacheco. Like I like the first half of that team a lot, and especially if they
58:35could have gotten Laporta instead of Kelsey too, I would have liked it even more.
58:39So I think that range tends to be where I'm really looking at my favorite teams in most drafts.
58:45Debro, do you have a favorite that stands out to you before we get out of here?
58:49Yeah, I mean that's why I love the 108 because I feel like I'm getting access to one of Christian McCaffrey, James Cook, Amon Ross, St.
58:57Brown. I can go back in the second round, and I've got like the flexibility where I could go A.J.
59:02Brown or I could go one of like Hampton, Kenneth Walker, Derrick Henry.
59:06Like there's a lot of flexibility of like you can go running back wide receiver.
59:10You can go running back running back. Like there's a lot of flexibility at that spot of the draft that I feel
59:16like at the 108 where I can still get access to like top three or four wide receiver and running back in
59:22the first round as well as like good running backs and wide receivers that I like in round two.
59:27I'll throw to Fitz, do you have a favorite team?
59:30The 106 team, by the way, I like a lot too.
59:33I didn't mention them really earlier. St. Brown, A-chan, Devonta Smith, Lamar, Travis A-chan.
59:37I like that start too. Yeah, it's probably Jake, but runner up, Bunting, our Discord user.
59:41I love how he opened with the power trio of Justin Jefferson, Drake London, Ladd McConkie at wide receiver.
59:46Then comes back, he gets Jeremiah Love, and I know there's risk there, but like getting Love in the fourth round now, I think it's fair.
59:54That's where he should go. And then he backed up Love with Bucky Irving and Bachel Tootin.
59:58So two really pretty good alternatives there who can sort of hold on the fourth if Love isn't ready to go at the beginning of the season.
60:06Still manages to get one of the big eight tight ends with Kyle Pitts and then gets Caleb Williams at quarterback.
60:12And like got some pretty decent backup running backs and wide receivers after that.
60:15So I kind of like what Bunting did out of the 11 hole.
60:19I really like that sweet spot of quarterbacks late seventh, early eighth.
60:22We saw Hurts, Caleb, Trevor, and Herbert all go.
60:25That is the spot I want to be taking my quarterback.
60:28I was really hoping Herbert would get back to me.
60:31Obviously when he didn't, I decided to just totally wait and get Kyler late.
60:34But yeah, that Hurts, Caleb, Trevor, Herbert range. I really like that sweet spot for quarter.
60:39Obviously May in the sixth is pretty nice too, Jake.
60:42Any favorite teams or final takeaways from you, Jake?
60:44Not to be like hugging and kissing with Fitz here, but like I would take his team.
60:49Oh yeah. I would take his team if it wasn't for mine.
60:52Like I just did Dak value somebody that could throw for 5,000 yards potentially in a given season.
60:57He stays healthy. Jacobs was his two, but you still have Warren in the flex if that doesn't come through.
61:03Like if there's a suspension. But the reason I say is like Warren doesn't sound the most appealing number two running back.
61:09But when Burden's your third wide receiver and then you still have Pittman, Higgins, and Worthy on the bench.
61:14Fannin, we talked about at the time. I really like that team.
61:17Mostly because I don't want to compliment Derek anyway because I'm still pissed about the Chargers.
61:22Jake didn't even mention that I got the Titans RB1 in the 11th round.
61:25Yeah, it's pretty impressive based on preseason usage. I mean...
61:28With one working knee. You know I'm here for all the singleton in the second half of the season anyway once they're out of it.
61:35Yeah, it's funny. There were a few sleepers and late round flyers I wish I could have taken if not for the defensive kickers.
61:42Like if this was a 16 round draft, I was like, oh, there were some...
61:46Did Alan go... Oh, Alan actually went. Yeah, I was going to say, he looked bad.
61:50All right. We'll go ahead and wrap things up there.
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