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0:10Thursday night, last week. What's job number one? What's job number one?
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0:17Welcome back, NFL Pro baby. Rhett Lewis, Trevor Sikama here with you guys to preview Week 6 in the NFL and we're getting right to it.
0:25We got some big games that we're going to preview here on this show, but we got a couple of extra topics
0:32as well, which is why we're kind of jumping into things right away.
0:36We're going to take a look at the 2024 wide receiver class and talk about, regrade, redraft, and just have a conversation
0:42about the wide receiver position that was supposed to be one of the best we've ever seen.
0:48Hmm, not so much. Why? We're going to get to your fan questions as well.
0:52Jam-packed show here, but Brett, let's start with a game preview.
0:56Let's talk about the Buffalo Bills and the Las Vegas Raiders doing battle this weekend.
1:00Bills coming off of a thrilling overtime win. Snap by Ferguson, hold by Doman, kick on the way!
1:06And it is good! And the Raiders coming off of a loss this week.
1:10A bad loss to the New England Patriots. We're not happy with what happened today and we have to go do something bad.
1:17We got to go fix it and move on.
1:20How do you see this one shaping out? Where do you want to start with the discussion in this game?
1:26I couldn't believe that that was Josh Allen's first overtime win of his career.
1:30He was 0-7 before that. Dude, you texted the group that and I was like, that can't be true.
1:36And you know, on the side, I went to our NGS people and I was like, Brett's got to be lying about this, right?
1:44And I'm like, no, we were in the numbers.
1:46It's his first overtime win, so. And it was still dicey.
1:50Like, he very easily could have gone 0-8. To me, the big difference in that game ultimately was his legs.
1:56It wasn't his arm. And this is something that we've seen throughout, you know, throughout Josh Allen's career.
2:02His ability to just break a game wide open when all else fails and there's nothing open down the field.
2:08If you lose track of him in the pocket or if you miss a single tackle of him, he can easily turn it into 10, 20, 30 yards.
2:16That's ultimately what happened with the Rams. If you're looking at season long stats so far, I know we're only five weeks in.
2:23He leads the league in scramble rushing yards at 202.
2:26Most of them came in that game as well as rushing EPA on scrambles at plus 22.7, which is absurd for only five weeks into the season.
2:35He's ranked top six in scramble rush yards in every single season since he's joined the league.
2:40He is one of the best scrambling quarterbacks ever.
2:43I would put him up there with Steve Young, Michael Vick, all these great rushing threats.
2:48He's up there with any of them. And specifically the Raiders looking forward to this game.
2:53They're going to have to deal with that in a better way than they have so far this year.
2:59They've allowed 104 scramble rush yards so far this season.
3:02That is seventh most in the NFL. 9.5 yards per carry on scrambles.
3:06Also seventh most in the NFL. And while it's only been 11 scrambles season long, Josh Allen could very easily do it
3:12five or six times in this game. Hell, he did it nine times against the Rams in five quarters.
3:18So it's something that they're going to have to do better on.
3:22And I want to show you specifically the mistakes the Rams made against Allen, which allowed him to scramble so much in
3:29the first place, as well as how some better defenses in the past have kept that in check.
3:34And Brett, this matchup against the Raiders is interesting because you talk about, okay, how do you handle quarterbacks that have that
3:41option to make plays with their legs? And a lot of times it's all right.
3:46Well, does this go into how much we feel like we can call man coverage?
3:50Because man coverage, especially if you're playing, you know, press man coverage, which we saw the Raiders do a lot of last week, your backs to the ball.
3:59And anytime you got a lot of defenders with their backs to the ball because you've got vertical routes going downfield, you're playing in man coverage.
4:07Well, then Josh Allen just goes, oh, okay, I got one guy maybe to beat and then I'm getting, you know, 10,
4:1415 yards or maybe even more than that. That's when it's advantageous for those really athletic quarterbacks.
4:19And so we talked in the reaction show earlier this week about how the Raiders game plan, unfortunately, was kind of perfect
4:26for Drake May to take advantage of it. And I kind of think that they have to pivot against Josh Allen because
4:32Josh Allen presents a lot of the same issues for them.
4:36So I'm very interested to see how the Raiders are going to change up their defense this week as opposed to last
4:43week because Drake May killed him in that area.
4:45But I do kind of want to touch on Ashen Jenty because he is absolutely just not as efficient or explosive as he was last year.
4:53Now, he did suffer the ankle sprain earlier this year in training camp and Kubiak after the game was kind of saying, yeah, he's gutting it out.
5:02He didn't straight up say like, yeah, he's still playing super hurt, but he was saying that he was gutting it out.
5:08He was toughing it out to be out there.
5:11But I have kind of noticed, you see the missed tackle rate number is almost down a full 10% for him this year.
5:18The yards per carry average is also down for him.
5:21It's not all of his fault. There's some offensive line issues as well.
5:25The yards before contact average are also down. So I went back and I looked at last game against the Patriots and
5:32I did find some hints to say maybe he is a little bit more hurt than we thought.
5:38So taking that into account, right? Jenty isn't entirely the Boise State version of Jenty that we know and love or even
5:44last year's version of Jenty that was really just fighting through everything at the same time because their offensive line was so bad.
5:51It felt like Ashen Jenty versus the world, which it kind of was.
5:55If he's not 100%, it certainly does seem like this whole offense is just Brock, save us.
6:01And it's worked. It's caught! Remarkable! Bowers has the touchdown!
6:04Like that has worked. He's the only player to rank in the top five in yards per route run from the slot
6:11and out wide, which he's not really a tight end if we're looking at how a traditional tight end is used.
6:17Like he's basically a receiver, but he is arguably the most effective receiver in the league so far this year.
6:233.2 yards per route run from the slot, which is fifth.
6:273.9 yards per route run out wide. That's four.
6:29That's basically JSN numbers, right? He's just been absolutely absurd.
6:32And he has been able to carry the load for this Raiders passing game so far.
6:37The thing that I'm wondering is, okay, if the Bills just dedicate a bracket to him, and if we're not as worried
6:44about Jenty as maybe we would have been in years past just because he's clearly not moving the same as of right
6:51now, what are the other options the Raiders have to keep pace with Josh Allen?
6:55Because we know they're going to have to keep pace with Josh Allen.
6:59Do they have any other club in the bag?
7:02That's what worries me the most about this team.
7:057.0, f*** that. Great job, man. Great f***ing job.
7:08You mentioning Brock Bowers sort of as a tight end by position on the depth chart only, that kind of brought up
7:15an interesting conversation when we were talking about what we wanted to get into on the show, and that is his draft
7:21class, that 2024 draft class, which we were told and we scouted and we were super excited about.
7:27We thought that this might be one of the best wide receiver draft classes we've seen in the last decade.
7:33And it hasn't exactly panned out that way. And Bowers, who's played 41.6% of his snaps from the slot, 39% of his
7:40snaps out wide as a wide receiver, and just 16.9% of his snaps aligned as a true tight end, he really might get paid like a wide receiver.
7:48And Brett, when you look at this wide receiver class, he might get paid the most out of all of those wide receivers.
7:55Marvin Harrison Jr. was in the news for the wrong reasons because the team that drafted him gave up on him already and traded him.
8:03Malik Nabors has had the injury. Roma Dunze has been disappointing for what we thought of him pre-draft and where he was drafted.
8:10And then you just go down the list. That 2024 wide receiver class, again, we thought was going to be phenomenal.
8:17And yet, it's been disappointing. I think that I have to use that word here with this class.
8:22Hell, I think I will actually go down the list.
8:25And this is in no particular order. These are just all the highly drafted receivers from that class.
8:31Xavier Worthy has negative 382 receiving yards over expected since the start of 2024.
8:35Fewest in the NFL. Roma Dunze has the second fewest, negative 315.
8:39So, that's not good company to keep. Aidy Mitchell has the third fewest at negative 277.
8:44He also has the fourth fewest receiving EPA at negative 24.6.
8:47Jalen Polk has the sixth fewest receiving EPA. Not in the league anymore, by the way.
8:52Marvin Harrison Jr., already been traded. He's only the third top five pick to be traded within his first three years with
8:59his team in the last 17 years. So, that's a very rare thing to happen.
9:04And then specifically with Leggett, Polk, Aidy Mitchell, Dunze, and Pearsall, their teams, if you're looking at on-off splits, get more EPA
9:10per play with them off the field than on so far.
9:14So, it just hasn't really worked out. I mean, Malik's been great when he's been healthy, but there was that major injury.
9:20McConkie, again, he's been great when he's been healthy, but it feels like he's just perpetually banged up.
9:26So, it's just, that draft class to me is the billboard for why receiver is not exactly a slam dunk to take in the first round.
9:34Historically speaking, first round receivers, like their bust rate is very high compared to, say, an interior offensive lineman or even a running back.
9:41Like, it's higher hit rates for those position groups than receiver.
9:45And yet, teams still feel like they're kind of forced into taking them early because you typically have to have three receivers on the field.
9:52And if one gets injured, your fourth guy has to be good too.
9:56And if two get injured, your fifth guy has to be good.
10:00So, it's a position that you need a lot of quality at.
10:04And if you're looking at cap percentages and how the market has grown, the receiver market has exploded so much that you
10:11feel like you have to get these rookie deals with five years of contract control in the first round just to be
10:17able to make your team or even just your offense affordable.
10:21And I found this tweet from Dan Griffiths where if you look at the top 10 highest paid guys at the position,
10:28the growth of that top 10 average for wide receiver is second only to quarterbacks.
10:32So, this position is not only getting paid more, it's growing more at a higher rate than any other position.
10:38We're talking offensive tackles, edge rushers, these guys that you think just get crazy money.
10:43So, are wide receivers now. So, now, like you just said, not only are you having to pay maybe your wide receiver
10:50one if he's one of the best in the NFL, truly top money outside of the quarterback position, you also have to fill these other positions.
10:58You also want good wide receivers at these other positions.
11:01And so, it is fascinating how we get a draft like 2024 that was as disappointing as it could have been relative to expectations.
11:08And yet, teams are still going to draft wide receiver.
11:11Because I think for the longest time, we've always just thought of wide receiver as a true talent need and want in the draft.
11:19You want to have better pass catchers. You want to help out your quarterback.
11:23You want to score more points. But it is much more of a cap strategy selection as well than I think it's given credit for.
11:31So, even with some of these disappointing selections, I don't think we're going to see teams slow down on wanting to get these top wide receivers anytime soon.
11:39A while back, I actually did pull a bunch of data for what like the highest paid receiving tandems ever were going
11:46back about 20 years in terms of their individual cap percentages.
11:49I was looking at like Reggie, ironically, Marvin Harrison Sr.
11:52You know, you're looking at that Anquan Bolden-Larry Fitzgerald combo.
11:56You know, all of these great receiving tandems where two guys are getting 1,000 yards.
12:00Basically, none of them were paid a total percentage combined anywhere near what Jamar and T.
12:05Higgins are getting. Or even what like Tyreek and Waddle were getting in Miami.
12:09This is a very new phenomenon across the NFL.
12:12I'm not entirely sure if it works, right? Investing that much in receiver.
12:16Like, we'll see what the Cowboys do with George Pickens.
12:19They could be another team that does it pretty soon here.
12:23So, I'm not entirely sure if it works. But I do know that teams feel like they have to do it.
12:29Which, in itself, is an indicator of where front offices are going these days.
12:33They are prioritizing receiver. They're drafting them. If they don't work, they're paying guys to come in in other ways.
12:40Like, they're throwing so much capital, money-wise and picks-wise, into this position group.
12:44It's kind of hard to ignore. Mike Evans is an unstoppable machine!
12:47When you look at the wide receiver position, total cap percentages here.
12:51Okay? In 2024, it was 8.9%. And wide receivers gained 44% of the total yards for offenses.
12:56In 2025, it was 8.7%. So, right around the same, a little bit less.
13:00And total yards was 43%. But then in 2026, now it's all the way up to 9.4%.
13:06And the percentage of total yards, it's more of a passing league right now.
13:10And so, we're looking at 45%. So, the percentages of total yards that the wide receiver position helps you gain has been relatively the same.
13:18And yet, you're paying more for it. And I think that it is going in that direction.
13:23Which, we bring it all back to Brock Bowers, how he sort of started this transition into this topic.
13:29You look at Bowers in that 2024 draft class.
13:32He's going to have the highest contract. Especially for exactly where it's going.
13:36And especially if he's able to stack on the fact that he goes, yeah, I'm better at wide receiver than all of these other guys.
13:43And also, I happen to be listed as a tight end.
13:47And I think that Brock Bowers is going to have a strong case given where the cap is going and how he
13:53is utilized to have a pretty strong second contract there for him.
13:57I mean, this team paid $27 million a year for a center.
14:01What do you think they're going to give Brock Bowers?
14:04All right, a little break of the action for a fun segment here.
14:08We're going to bring back Blind Resume. I'm going to have some categories of a single team and then a multiple choice question for Brett to answer.
14:16And he's going to have one for me as well.
14:19Brett, your Blind Resume team here. They are fourth in total EPA.
14:23Fifth in success rate. And first in rush yards over expected.
14:26Is it the Baltimore Ravens, the Kansas City Chiefs, or the Atlanta Falcons?
14:30Oh, man. That's bait. That's 100% bait. Oh, Callie's trying to screw with me.
14:35So the rushing yards over expected, right? That's the thing that's really screwing with me here.
14:40Because Kenneth Walker gets a lot of rushing yards over expected because he's breaking tackles.
14:44And same with Bijan. Football's back. Hey, it's Drew Franklin from NFL Cover Zero.
14:49Enjoy the NFL season while listening to NFL Cover Zero.
14:52We have storylines, predictions, and lots of silliness. Here's what you can expect from the podcast in our second season.
14:58When you meet people and you say your job's a sports announcer, it's always interesting to see what the first thing they say is.
15:05I did have one of the more difficult questions, though.
15:08He sits next to me and he sees I'm on my computer and he goes, big sports fan.
15:14And I was like, yeah, actually. And he goes, what do you think about my Jaguars this year?
15:19I realized, like, no one's ever asked me that question ever about anything.
15:23And I was like, Duval. Listen to NFL Cover Zero on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
15:30I'll go Kansas City. That seems more correct, which means I'm probably wrong.
15:34Final answer? Final answer. It is, in fact, the Kansas City Chiefs.
15:38Finally! Oh my God! You nailed it! Good job!
15:41Good job, my friend. That was close. You're right.
15:43The rushing yards over expected. It could have been either of those teams.
15:47But the giveaway should have been the fact that Atlanta doesn't have that consistent of an offense to be fourth in total
15:54EPA, fifth in total success rate overall. The Bichon factor has definitely been there for them.
15:59But I don't think that they have that level of consistency to them.
16:03But it could be wrong there as well. Yeah, Cooper Rush, I think, immediately disqualifies you from any high-ranking.
16:09That's kind of what I was thinking. Yeah. Yeah.
16:12All right. Your blind resume. This team is sixth in offensive success rate, fourth in third down conversions, first in scoring drive rate.
16:19So the most efficient scoring offense. Scoring drive rate.
16:21What are the three teams? Who do I have to guess?
16:25Oh, yeah. I probably should have given you that.
16:2849ers. 49ers. Cowboys. Rams. Before you gave me the teams, I was immediately thinking about the 49ers.
16:33Okay. That's where my mind would have gone as well.
16:36Yeah. Cowboys have scored a lot. We talked about this stat like two weeks ago for them.
16:41And then what was the last team? It was the Rams.
16:45It was the Cowboys and Niners. Rams. Rams. I don't think it's the Rams.
16:49They've missed too many field goals. They've had too many turnovers.
16:52I don't think it's the Rams. While you think about it, by the way, for those of you that are at home,
16:59go look at the play-by-play of the Monday night game.
17:02Bills-Rams. Because a whole lot didn't happen for a lot of that game.
17:06Because there were so many penalties. There was like 24 penalties.
17:09You get to the end of the third quarter, and it's Bills touchdown, Rams touchdown, Bills touchdown, Rams touchdown, Bills touchdown, Rams touchdown.
17:17They're just massively inflating their scoring drive rates from about a 17-minute period of game clock.
17:21Are you not entertained? It's punishing anybody who wants to leave the games early.
17:26That's what that is. I'm going to go with the Dallas Cowboys.
17:29I'm going to guess the Dallas Cowboys. We are two for two.
17:33Let's go, baby. Got her. You love to see that kind of top-tier ball knowledge.
17:38All right, next game on the docket, Cowboys-Packers. This one's fascinating to me because they just brought in Mike Pettin this week,
17:45and they made it known that they brought in Mike Pettin.
17:48This was not an under-the-radar hiring. This was, we are bringing in Mike to help fix us.
17:53Not that I think Christian Parker is getting replaced.
17:56I don't think Mike Pettin is taking over or anything like that.
18:00But they clearly identified that they needed help. They needed to bring in an expert that could help this defense not be
18:06the worst in the league, to put it diplomatically speaking.
18:09Now, who is Mike Pettin? He is a Rex Ryan disciple.
18:13Going back to the mid-2000s Ravens days. If you're looking at that ultra-aggressive defense with, like, Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, Haloti Nada, like, all of these guys.
18:21Mike Pettin was there with him. He was the defensive coordinator under Rex in New York back in, like, the prime Revis era.
18:28Very, very aggressive defensive play caller. Known for putting a lot of bodies in the line of scrimmage.
18:34He and I think Mike Zimmer were probably the two guys that were most known for mug looks.
18:39Putting linebackers up in the line of scrimmage, in the A gap, in the B gap, and trying to make offenses really operate on their back foot.
18:48That's what he's most known for. Stroud can't find anyone.
18:51And he is forced out of bounds by Rashad Gary.
18:54It kind of feels like the Cowboys want to do that more.
18:58Because the more Fangio-ish style, which I wouldn't say is passive.
19:01I would say when you have the talent to do that style, it's very boa constrictory.
19:06Whereas Pettin is more like a cobra. Like, he's going to strike you and kill you quickly.
19:11I think anything compared to, like, what Pettin, who was on the Viking staff over the last couple years, does with Flores.
19:18I think anything compared to that would be passive.
19:21So you're not, I don't think you're ruffling any feathers saying that.
19:24But it certainly feels like they recognize the more conservative boa constrictor style is not going well.
19:30So they want to switch things up. Right. And Pettin's background, and I think that everything that he could potentially bring to
19:36the table here for the Cowboys, does make this matchup against the Packers very interesting.
19:41So Pettin was actually defensive coordinator for the Green Bay Packers from 2018 to 2020.
19:46Now Jordan Love got drafted in 2020, so Love was there in Pettin's final season.
19:50But as you guys know, Love didn't start until 2023 because Aaron Rodgers was still there.
19:55So yeah, I mean, like, he was around him and everything.
19:58But I don't really think the impact was that big of a takeaway going all the way back to when they were sort of in the same building.
20:07Instead, what I think is a little bit more valuable here is that Pettin was an assistant head coach slash became also
20:14the outside linebackers coach for the Minnesota Vikings. It was from 2022 to 2025, but specifically this matters if we take it
20:21from 2023 to 2025 because those are the years when Jordan Love became the starter for the Green Bay Packers.
20:27So we do have a handful of games that, yes, it's Flores' defense, but Mike Pettin is still there.
20:33I think the influence is the same. He was a position coach.
20:36He was probably consulted on a lot of this stuff.
20:39And I think that his ultra-aggressive style, like you mentioned, is very in line with what Flores has wanted to do and has done with the Minnesota Vikings.
20:48Love versus Flores. Since 2023, 7.2 yards per attempt, 60.6 completion percentage, negative 3.9 completion percentage over expected, and a negative EPA per drop back.
20:56Love versus everyone else since 2023, 7.6 yards per attempt, 64.6 completion percentage, a positive completion percentage over expected, and a positive EPA per drop back.
21:04So Brian Flores has been one of the best defense coordinators in the league over the last couple of years.
21:10That is true against Jordan Love. Specifically, though, Vikings in double-mugged looks from 2023 to 2025, that sample size, they had double-mugged looks.
21:17So linebackers walked up to the line scrimmage on 12.7% of their plays, almost double more than any other team.
21:23And then specifically on third down in that time frame, 25.4% of their plays have had a double-mugged look on third down.
21:30That is, once again, first in the NFL. They did that more against the Packers and Jordan Love than all the others,
21:3728.8% versus the Packers versus 24.9% against all other teams.
21:40Now, to me, the transition here is you look at what Jordan Love did really well last week.
21:45He was throwing the ball deep. Okay, well, how does this all factor into limiting what Jordan Love can do as a deep ball passer?
21:53Against the Vikings, when it comes to attacking deep, Love versus Flores, 13.6% deep rate percentage, but a 33.3% success rate.
21:59Love versus everyone else, 13.1% deep rate. So basically the same.
22:03He's just trying to do this every game, but a 38.6% success rate.
22:07So a little bit less of a completion percentage and success rate overall for Love versus Flores attacking deep versus all the other coordinators.
22:14Love was great on the blitz last week, 9 for 12, 176 yards and a touchdown.
22:19But again, when you look at the Vikings specifically, when Mike Pettin was there, Love had a game where he threw three interceptions in 2024 against the Viking.
22:28Two of those interceptions were, guess what? Double mugged looks.
22:31And another throw that was incomplete that could have been intercepted came from a double mugged pressure as well.
22:37Jordan Love has only thrown three interceptions in a single game twice in his career.
22:41One of them, you guessed it, versus the Vikings when Mike Pettin was there.
22:46That's a lot of information. A lot of things to throw at you guys to basically just say the Cowboys want to be more aggressive.
22:53I think if anything, because you're not going to change the system overnight.
22:57I think if anything, Pettin was brought in this week to be an expert on how to attack Matt LaFleur's protections.
23:04Because he knows this protection scheme very well. He knows everything the Packers like to do.
23:09He's very well attuned to how they like to keep Jordan Love clean.
23:13And they're doing it with a, on paper, much worse offensive line this year than they have in years past.
23:19So if anybody can kind of be that last second ringer that comes in and does an install of like, Hey, here's
23:26what Jordan Love likes on third and insert distance in certain areas of the field.
23:30Here's how we can attack it, right? Here's who their weak link is.
23:34What's the best way to isolate that weak link?
23:37Whether it's a running back, a tight end, a backup guard, whatever.
23:41Pettin is very good at just finding the thing that you do the worst and pressing that button over and over again.
23:47I feel like that's what he's going to do for Dallas.
23:51All right, next game on the docket, Texans-Jags. Duval County's been very upset with us.
23:55We haven't talked about the Jags nearly enough this season.
23:59It's kind of early for the whole must-win game thing.
24:02But this certainly feels like a must-win game. It does for the Texans specifically because you beat the Titans last week.
24:08You go to one and four. But you are in a situation where if you look at the next-gen stats, playoff probability that we have.
24:16If they win this game against Jacksonville, they have a 34% chance to make the playoffs.
24:21Right now it's at 23%. So if you beat the Jags, that jumps up 11%.
24:25Now, obviously, this could change a little bit depending on what happens around the league.
24:30But that's what we have right now. If they lose this game, it goes all the way down to 14%.
24:36And this game matters a lot, not just in the win-loss column, but also the fact that if the Texans lose this game, they drop to 1-5.
24:44And Jacksonville is then at the top of the division at 5-1.
24:48If you're the Texans, you can kiss winning this division goodbye.
24:51Like, you are just praying, praying for a wild card at that point.
24:55Now, their next four games, they do have the Giants, the Chargers, the Browns, and the Colts.
25:01I think all those games are winnable for them.
25:03But given that they have dug themselves such a hole, you've got to win some games that maybe on paper at the time you aren't expected to win.
25:12And I think that it's tough to look at what I think is a top three team in the NFL.
25:18And I would argue the number one team in the NFL right now and say, there it is.
25:24We'd like to get that win on the schedule.
25:27But you're kind of in this situation for a reason.
25:30Talked plenty about the Texans, right? We've talked about how their offensive line has still been up and down.
25:35Their run game, especially in the short yardage, has not been what it's needed to be.
25:40The pass rush, especially with Will Anderson, has been fantastic for them.
25:44And that's interesting going up against the Jags, who are now starting Walker Little.
25:48But, you know, Walker Little has still started 39 games in his career.
25:52So it's not like the guy was... Yeah, he's never started before.
25:56Isn't Anton Harrison? No, but I think that it's not like ultimate panic button.
26:00The defense hasn't been what you've wanted it to be, but you figured that's going to bounce back.
26:06But bounce back, how much? Can you rattle a Jags team that has been, for the most part, fantastic this season in
26:13so many different areas of the game? They've been very balanced.
26:16They play extremely complimentary football for offense, defense, run game, pass game, special teams involved as well.
26:21It's why I would argue they're the best team in the NFL.
26:25And it's tough to have the Texans staring down the barrel of this and saying that this is a must-win game.
26:31But unfortunately, Brett, I do think this is a must-win game for them.
26:35Here's pressure. And here's Will Anderson Jr. with the sack.
26:39On the Jags side of things, maybe while we haven't talked about the Jags as much as Jags fans want us to,
26:45there are several things that we praise them for so far this season.
26:49Game management hasn't necessarily been one of them. Liam Cohen, back-to-back weeks.
26:53Questionable at best game management. And specifically play calling in key downs and distances.
26:57But everything else about this team, we have really liked.
27:00Trevor, specifically, has been on a tear so far this year.
27:04He's been exceptional over the middle of the field.
27:07He and Stroud both are in the top five quarterbacks as far as middle of the field target rate.
27:12And their offenses have both been awesome because of that.
27:15If you're looking at Basial Tootin, he's flashed. If you're looking at the pass rush, they've been consistently good this year.
27:22There's so many things about this Jags team individually that we have liked.
27:26And yet, somehow, we haven't talked about Travis Hunter basically at all this season.
27:30Is the trade still worth it if he doesn't play receiver at all?
27:34Like, if this is what he is, if they get a top three corner in the league, is that still worth the trade?
27:41Rich, a blockbuster trade. The Jacksonville Jaguars wanted to be bold, and they are in fact bold.
27:47They have agreed to terms with the Browns to trade from number five to number two with the Browns receiving a second
27:53rounder, number 36 overall, 126 overall this year, and next year's first round pick.
27:58If you're looking at it for just pick value, it's hard to say that that would be.
28:03However, I think that when you're evaluating trades, you have to have the context of who you're trading for and just everything that surrounds that team.
28:11And for Travis Hunter specifically, I loved the move on draft day.
28:15I love that they got aggressive. I love that they went and got the unicorn player in this class.
28:20The reason why I loved it is not because I just thought that he could be a good corner, which by the
28:27way, I thought that he should be primarily a corner and then Moonlight as a wide receiver, not the other way around.
28:34So I love the way that they're deploying him so far.
28:37If he does not play wide receiver at all, it's hard to say that they would take it back because of the
28:44team building that they have done around everything since because the Jags have obviously become one of the best teams in the NFL.
28:51And so you can kind of look at it and say like, all right, did we pay maybe a little bit more
28:58than you would think for a shutdown corner? Sure, but it made our team better.
29:03And I think that's part of the conversation as well.
29:06But I'm going to cheat a little bit here in my answer because they are playing him a little bit at wide receiver.
29:13And not only does he look confident at corner, he looks confident at wide receiver in those opportunities where they're trying to
29:20give him the ball quick and get those yards after catch.
29:23So last year when I saw the usage from him, and obviously the injury didn't help, I was like, man, did they
29:30pay too much for how they wanted to use him?
29:33This year, I'm having to hold myself back from how excited I am about the future of Travis Hunter because the confidence
29:40level that he is playing with at corner right now is a leap from what it was the previous season.
29:46I know he put on some good weight, put on some good muscle.
29:50He looks even more explosive despite being at a higher weight.
29:53They're getting him involved in the passing game despite the fact that they don't have to because they have tight ends that they like.
30:00They have Parker Washington. They have Jacoby Myers. And so I'll say that when you look at things just in a vacuum,
30:07that's a lot of draft capital value to give up for even just one of the best corners.
30:13It's a lot to give up for just a corner.
30:16But when you bring in full context of who it was and that it was Travis Hunter and that he can always
30:23have that potential to play on the other side of the ball, certainly for where we are right now and how he
30:29looks, yeah, I'd tell you that the trade was worth it.
30:33The arrow is only looking very, very high up for Hunter and how they're using him.
30:38Travis Hunter, his first career interception, and boy, did he pick a perfect moment for it.
30:43One last stat here for you. So the Jacksonville Jaguars have not allowed a single opposing player to run for 40 plus
30:49yards in a game against them so far this year.
30:52You might think that's a death sentence for the Texans, but joke's on you.
30:57The leading Texans rusher averages 30 yards a game.
31:00You can't kill us, Trevor. We're already dead. On the ground, gets crushed.
31:04Speaking of bad Texans run games, by the way, last season to start the 2025 season, the Rams won essentially because of
31:10a Nate Landman punch out on Daria Ogumbawale. And Landman has kind of become known for this.
31:16He is a master of the peanut punch. But he's not the only one.
31:20There's a lot of players around the league that have gotten really, really good at forcing fumbles to the point where it
31:27is a noticeable uptick in terms of how many fumbles there are league-wide.
31:31I don't want to say it's that ball security is at its worst.
31:35I just think defenders have gotten a lot better at doing these hyper-targeted punches.
31:3952 fumbles, most since week one of 2022 when there was 56, and 26 fumbles lost the most since week 12 of 2020 when there was 28.
31:47That is crazy. And you're right. I think that every single time that we see it on a broadcast, everybody's always like, The peanut punch.
31:55Man, it really does feel that way. It's not like this cliche.
31:59It's taught now. This is clearly a technique thing.
32:01And we've seen, I mean, the Mark Andrews fumble is a great example where he's coming in to make the tackle.
32:08You could tell he's not abandoning his form. Now, sometimes the guys come in and they do totally abandon their form, and
32:15they're just trying to punch the ball out. But that was an example of what you're talking about where I think that
32:21it's being taught more as an emphasis now of, Hey, when you come in to wrap up for a tackle, make sure
32:28that you are getting to the hip and the center of gravity of the player where you can bring them down.
32:35But as you are and as you are wrapping, get the fist around.
32:39Try to knock the ball out. And so it's like, yes, we want you to be fundamentally sound.
32:44We want you to make the tackle. But they're clearly teaching this in how they are wrapping up ball carriers as well.
32:51I think you're also seeing a ton of, Hey, my teammates already kind of starting to bring this player down.
32:57I'm just going to go for the ball here.
33:00So I just, it's a huge emphasis. And I think the reason why is because in an age where offenses, it feels
33:07like can get explosives all over the place. Because when you get those extra possessions, they can mean everything.
33:12And that's why coaches preach against forcing turnovers and limiting turnovers, depending on which side of the ball that you're on.
33:19But it very clearly teams are more into this than they've ever been, because this is a league trend that is only
33:26going up with defenses forcing these fumbles. Yeah. I mean, Fred Warner has three so far this year.
33:31He's only played in five games, right? Three force fumbles in five games is nuts.
33:36And there was actually a moment in the Australia game where I think he was looking at Drake Greenlaw and talking to
33:43him and he said, Hey, hold him up. I can get one for us here.
33:47Like don't immediately bring him down, hold him up.
33:50And he did. And then Fred came in and punched out.
33:53Like he called his own shot. And so defenders are really approaching force fumbles as a team effort, right?
33:59Like keep him up so that we have an opportunity to come in here and punch it out.
34:05And it has such a profound impact on the opposing defense, right?
34:08If you're looking at the Chargers defense as an example, their EPA per play isn't horrible.
34:13Like their down-to-down efficiency isn't horrible, but they've allowed, I guess, technically a whole lot of points this year because they have
34:2019 drives that have started in their own territory because of the Chargers offense turning it over.
34:25A lot of those being fumbles. Yeah. Right? Like they lost a couple weeks ago because of that because Omari and Hampton had it punched out late.
34:34So it really helps your offense be better if you can give them that kind of field position by just punching it out.
34:41And because it's not a round ball, it can bounce all over the place and you guys have a shot to recover it.
34:48If you can do that once or twice in a game, you recover one of them.
34:53You set yourself up for an easy, easy score.
34:56That flips the entire game. It really does. It makes any game winnable by pretty much any team if you can win that turnover battle.
35:03It's not a new thing, but it certainly feels like teams are doing it a lot more now.
35:09Back to the ground. Back to Cook. And this time, ball comes out!
35:13His second fumble of the night! Landman forced it and it's another fumble for James Cook.
35:18All right, last segment of the show. We got to get the people involved, Brett.
35:22Going to the fan Q&A section here. First question from Ward MVP Season.
35:26What's going on with the Vikings offense? Is it on Kyler?
35:30Is it KOC? So, yeah. Vikings sitting here at 5-0.
35:33I already complained about being 5-0. But, hey, I think that people do look at the offense and go, man, this feels unstable.
35:40It just doesn't feel as easy. And if Brian Flores wasn't on level 15 out of 10, maybe the record does look different for the Vikings.
35:48So, your thoughts on the Vikings offense right now?
35:51I mean, the easy answer is it's just not an explosive offense.
35:54They have an 11.1% explosive play rate on offense.
35:57That's passing and running. That's bottom 10 in the NFL.
36:00Just rushing in terms of explosive designed run rate.
36:03Only 7.1%. That's ninth lowest in the NFL. Even though their average yards before contact per attempt is actually pretty good.
36:09Tenth most at 1.5. So, the offensive line has done a good job in terms of creating room for the running backs.
36:16The running backs just aren't really doing anything with that room.
36:20They're specifically a fairly average deep pass rate at 9.9%.
36:23But, a lot of explosives in today's NFL are created over the middle of the field.
36:28I know we're going to keep talking about it and beating that dead horse.
36:32But, it's true. And, if you're looking at intermediate in-breakers, he only targets them 10% of the time.
36:37That's the lowest rate in the entire league. And, that's just where all of these really explosive offenses get these chunks.
36:44Yeah. You throw an in-breaker and then you get a catch and run.
36:48Or, you're just making life hell for these hook droppers.
36:51And, you're getting 15, 20 yards at a time.
36:54They just don't do that. So, if you don't have an explosive run game outside of, you know, the odd Kyler scramble here and there.
37:01And, you don't have an explosive passing game because the only real time you're going down the field, it's like a one-on-one down the boundary.
37:09Which is a low percentage throw to begin with.
37:12Then, you kind of have to play offense the hard way and put together 10, 11 play drives.
37:17They're just not really good enough to do that without stalling out.
37:21Now, it's a big reason why Will Riker, you know, kind of tongue-in-cheek, but really was getting, like, Vikings MVP chance.
37:28Because, they keep getting to the red zone or just outside the red zone and stalling out.
37:33And, then he has to come in and bang a field goal through.
37:37I think he got, like, five in one game the other week.
37:41So, it's just not a sustainable offense, you know, where you don't have explosives to get those chunks for you.
37:47So, it's so much harder to put five good plays on tape in a row compared to just one to get the same amount of yardage.
37:55I would agree with you. I think that the lack of explosiveness in the run game is really affecting what they can do overall.
38:02Because, as much as, yes, you don't have to be a successful run team to be effective at play action or motion and things like that.
38:10You could still do those things even if you don't have a great run game.
38:15It certainly helps when you do. And, you just get more bite from linebackers.
38:19You get more attention from safeties. The middle of the field opens up more.
38:23You know, whether it's a bootleg or just a straight drop play action.
38:27Whatever it is, that middle of the field opens up a lot more.
38:31And, those aim-breaking routes open up, I think, a lot more when you do have a successful run game.
38:37And, of course, you know, we've said this before.
38:40Kyler's not the tallest quarterback in the league. And, so, you kind of have to manipulate the offensive line a little bit
38:47at times in order for him to want to attack over the middle of the field with regularity.
38:52And, so, I think the domino effect really just starts with they don't have that explosiveness in the run game.
38:58And, if they had that a little bit more, I think that things would look a little bit easier for them.
39:05And, to me, that's what's quote-unquote wrong with the Vikings offense.
39:08I don't know how much more explosive they're going to get in the ground game.
39:13But, again, you know, if the defense is playing the way that they are, I think even the offense in its current
39:20form, especially from what we saw last week, which was a really nice game from Kyler, is going to be enough for
39:26this team to make the postseason and feel pretty good about themselves when they get there.
39:31Second question that we have here for the fan Q&A, it's from NFLduos on Twitter.
39:36It said, is a healthy Panthers offense top five in the NFL?
39:40So, we could just look at sort of what they are as an offense while playing through some of these injuries.
39:46EPA per play, they have the eighth most EPA per play in the NFL.
39:50EPA per dropbacks, the fifth most. So, there we go, cracking the top five.
39:55Designed run EPA, 19th most. So, have struggled on the ground.
39:58But, scoring drive percentage, they have the fifth highest in the NFL.
40:02So, in terms of the overall question, is a healthy Panthers offense top five in the NFL?
40:07Well, they're the fifth highest in scoring percentage, even with what they have been through.
40:12So, does that make the answer yes, Brett? What do you think about that?
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41:02I mean, look no further than explosive play rate.
41:05Just talked about it with Minnesota. They don't get a lot of explosives.
41:09Carolina has the fourth highest explosive play rate in the NFL, 15.7%.
41:13It's a huge, huge jump. And they get it both on the ground and through the air.
41:18It's a balanced offense, even though they're not fully healthy.
41:21I think McMillan playing more in the slot has been awesome for them because it lets him find space so much easier
41:28when he has these two-way goes from the slot.
41:30And that really, to me, was his superpower when he was coming out of college, was just being a really smart receiver,
41:37very silky smooth, find space, get yards after catch.
41:40I know he was profiled as this, like, you know, Mike Evans 2.0.
41:44And while, yeah, he's big, to me, he was really more like an Eric Decker type than he was.
41:50And I mean that as a compliment, by the way.
41:53Prime Eric Decker was sick. But that, to me, was his best usage of, like, as a big slot.
41:59Well, they started doing that this year, got great returns out of it a couple weeks ago before their bye week.
42:05Ideally, they're healthier now coming off that bye going into week six.
42:09This is as potent an offense I can remember in Carolina since, God, do I want to invoke 2015 here?
42:15Like, is this the best Panthers offense since then?
42:18I think it might be. Yeah, it kind of feels like it.
42:22So, let's put each other on the spot then, okay?
42:25I'm going to name a team, and you tell me if you would have that offense above Carolina, if you would pick that offense over the Carolina Panthers.
42:33Buffalo Bills. They have the most points per game so far this year, 32.8.
42:38I'll say yes. The fumbles concern me, but I'll say yes.
42:41What about the Niners? Even in their banged up state, I would say yes, but boy, it's close.
42:46It's really close. I agree. Lions. Yeah, because somehow they're just good at everything, even with their own personnel issues.
42:53Even by recent history, Lions standards. They're amazing. So, sure.
42:56Yeah. I agree. I agree. So, we're at three now.
42:59This is now where I certainly think that Carolina's in the conversation.
43:02Would you take Carolina or would you take Kansas City?
43:06Oh. That's close. I think I would take... It's very close.
43:09I think I would take Carolina. I feel like they're a little bit more versatile, right?
43:14It does feel like Kansas City is kind of the Kenneth Walker show.
43:18Yes. Yeah. And also, they're banged up and are still that good.
43:22So, give me Carolina. But that is close. I think that that one's close, but I think you could put Carolina in there above the Chiefs.
43:30What about the Cowboys? You should take the Cowboys or the Panthers?
43:33Hmm. Boy. I think the Cowboys at their best, I would take over the Panthers, but the problem is they were five
43:40weeks into the season, and how many times have they played their best?
43:44Not enough. Carolina's been more consistent. Carolina's been more consistent.
43:47Yeah. Give me that. Give me the higher baseline compared to the higher ceiling.
43:51Okay. All right. And then... I'll just go Bengals.
43:54Would you go Bengals over the Panthers, or would you take the Panthers over the Bengals?
43:59I would go Panthers over Bengals. The one that I would be interested in, your answer on this, Chicago.
44:05Yeah. When they're healthy. Yeah. There were three other teams I was going to bring up.
44:10The Seahawks, the Ravens, and then the Bears. When the Bears are healthy, I'd take the Bears over the Panthers.
44:16Like, I think that they're... I think that they are absolutely in that top five category.
44:21I would say the Bills, the Lions, the 49ers, and the Bears.
44:25I would all take over the Panthers. But then I would have Carolina in that next tier, and you could have an
44:31argument for them being at five or just below five with the Chiefs, the Ravens, the Cowboys, and the Seahawks.
44:38I think those are the teams that are in that next tier.
44:41And what's interesting is, Declan Doyle is so good at his job that whether Lamar is out there or not, the Ravens
44:48have the highest success rate out of any offense.
44:51Yeah. It's wild, dude. It's hard to deny that, too.
44:54But all of that, I think, whether you have the Panthers right there at five or within the top five, I think
45:01the question and the conversation is a good one to have to respect what Carolina is putting out there.
45:06This isn't just kind of a fun story. This has been an awesome offense to watch and one of the best in the NFL.
45:14So, McMillan, touchdown! Tantaroa McMillan! Game picks for week six.
45:17Let's go, baby. If you're new around here, what we do is we take 10 games we have in the upcoming NFL
45:24slate, and not only do we pick the winner, but we also rank them in terms of confidence.
45:29So, if you think that this team is absolutely going to win this game, you'll put it at the 10 confidence spot.
45:36And if you're right, you get 10 points. Then 9, you get 9 points.
45:408, you get 8 points. So on and so forth.
45:43It's a fun game. We keep track all season long, along with you guys out there, which we'll get to some of
45:50the shout outs for how you guys did last week.
45:53Brett, really quickly, I don't want to reveal our points yet because we'll do that in a second before we tee up these games.
46:01But we implemented a you lose 10 points if your 10 confidence game does not hit.
46:06And we implemented that, I will add, because you missed it two weeks in a row before this.
46:11And the people were like, Brett's got to pay.
46:14We need punishment. So we're like, okay, okay. Minus 10 if you miss your top 10 confidence game.
46:19And guess what happened? I missed mine. And you didn't miss yours.
46:23So I have no idea what my final score is.
46:26But I know that it's 10 points less than I would have if we were doing this a week prior.
46:32I mean, I don't feel great about it because the Jacksonville technically win was my 10 spot game.
46:38Which like, was it really? Was it really? Nick Sirianni should stay in Philly forever, in my opinion.
46:43Thank you for doing me a solid, Nick. I appreciate you.
46:47My question for you, Trev, because I have your point total in front of me.
46:51Keep in mind, you came into the week with a season total of 148.
46:56So you're up one point on me. Yeah. Do you think you hit double digits?
47:00No. I don't. Good instinct. You got eight points.
47:03Oh my gosh, that's it? You got eight, buddy.
47:06Dude, you know what? You know what? I told our producers before we started recording, if my number doesn't start with a
47:13minus sign, you know, as long as it's not negative overall points, as long as I get some positive points this week, I'm okay with that.
47:21But eight. So you got your three. You got your nine spot game correct, which was Jacksonville at nine.
47:27And you got Baltimore over Atlanta. So you got eight points from that, but you got minus 10 from your 10 spot game.
47:34And then the only other game that you got correct was Pittsburgh over Indy at your one spot, which ultimately ended up at eight points.
47:41As bad as that is, I think I did worse.
47:44Did I do worse? Oh, no. I'm pretty sure I did.
47:48No, because you didn't get minus 10. You wouldn't.
47:51Now, you didn't have a good week, my friend.
47:53I won't lie to you and tell you that.
47:56But you got 22 points. You got 22 points this week.
47:59So the non minus 10 in your equation really did a lot of heavy lifting here.
48:04But if I was up one last week, that means that you are now up 13.
48:09And that's doable. I was very scared as those games were coming to final on Sunday that you were going to be up 50 points or something.
48:18And I was going to have no prayer of catching you.
48:21But I can catch you for 13 points. I could do that.
48:25We're still alive in this one. The scores, much lower this week than they were last week.
48:30Not just from us, but also from the people as well.
48:33For the final standings, let's shout out some people who commented their game picks.
48:38And we keep score. And we'll shout out the best ones every single week.
48:42But breathe times two. A nice lesson for us after we had a bad week of picking.
48:4737 total points as the top scorer. Adam got 35.
48:50Bobby and PB9 both tied at 32. Those were the leaders for last week.
48:55I will say that the minus 10 rule absolutely drew blood this week everywhere where there were game picks.
49:00As 79 of the 102 people who submitted their picks put a team at number 10 that lost.
49:06And in fact, the biggest trap game was the one I had as my 10.
49:11The Bucs and the Cowboys, 98 out of 102 entries, Brett, picked the Dallas Cowboys to win that game.
49:16Only four people picked the Buccaneers to win. And breathe times two, the person who had the highest score this week.
49:23They ranked them at the 9th spot for confidence.
49:26Are you kidding me? Not only did they pick the Bucs to win.
49:30This is somebody who deeply hates the Dallas Cowboys.
49:32And I respect it for how many points they got for picking the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in this game.
49:38So, yes, that's the table that is set from the people here from last week.
49:43But they didn't hate the Cowboys enough to put the Bucs at the 10 spot.
49:47That's true. They didn't trust them entirely. But my God, well done.
49:5137 points. Shall we get into these, by the way?
49:54Let's do it. Let's dig into it. The first game that we have on the list is Houston versus Jacksonville.
50:00Divisional matchup here. And one that, boy, the Houston Texans very badly need.
50:04Who are you picking in this game? And where is it in the confidence rankings?
50:09This might be the homer in me. But I am taking Houston in this game.
50:14And I do have a legitimate reason for it.
50:16It's not just because they traded for Marvin Harrison Jr.
50:19That, to me, isn't the biggest factor here. When you lose your left tackle, the week before you're supposed to play against
50:26Will Anderson and Daniil Hunter, that is a massive point of concern if I was a Jags fan.
50:32Travis Hunter has played really, really well at corner so far this year, as we've talked about throughout the season.
50:38But that being said, even if he's matched up on Nico Collins, CJ spreads the ball around so much in this offense.
50:45And there are other weapons on the field that I think, even if Hunter does have a good day against Nico, obviously,
50:52you know, injecting Marv into this team is potentially their new X receiver.
50:56We'll see. And use Nico as a moving chess piece.
50:59I think there's enough targets here where Stroud can still have a good day through the air, even if Hunter has a great day.
51:06I still don't think the Texans are going to be able to run the ball that well.
51:11But it hasn't necessarily affected Stroud that much, you know, not having a run game.
51:16He's been great this year. Trevor's been great this year.
51:19It's a battle between two really good young quarterbacks.
51:22But ultimately, the Jags not having their left tackle against arguably the best edge duo in the league, that to me is hard to overcome.
51:29So give me the Texans. I put it at the four spot.
51:33Okay, so I put the Jags at the four spot.
51:36So we're starting off at the same spot here.
51:39We're just flipping teams. And I am definitely worried about the Jags offensive line overall.
51:44Anytime you have injuries and you're going up against the best duo that we have in the NFL, not ideal.
51:50So that's advantage Houston. But I will say that Houston's lack of ability to run the football and control this game the
51:56way that they would want to and keep that Jags offense off the field, I'm worried about that on their side of things as well.
52:04I think this is going to be a close game.
52:07I think this is a game where throw the records out of it.
52:11I don't care what the records are of this team.
52:14To me, this one's going to be really close.
52:17But I do have more faith in this Jacksonville team just because I think it's one of the best in the NFL.
52:24And where I think Houston is going to get better, is a really tough opponent on that road to getting better.
52:30So give me Jacksonville here in this one. I've also got that one at the four spot.
52:36Atlanta and Chicago. So remember, Ben Johnson kind of talked about, hey, there is a chance that Caleb Williams comes back.
52:42And certainly looking at the quarterback performance of the Chicago Bears last week, they would certainly love that.
52:48They're coming up against a Falcons team that was red hot before that overtime loss to Baltimore, which thank you, Baltimore, because
52:54if I didn't get those eight points from the Ravens, I would have been sitting at zero.
53:00So I'm very thankful for that one. But what do you think about Atlanta this week going up against the Chicago Bears?
53:06There is a really interesting dichotomy between pressured Michael Penix and unpressured Michael Penix.
53:11When Penix is not pressured, he was top two in EPA per dropback.
53:15When he is pressured, he is dead last. And that is something I am worried about for the Falcons.
53:20Luckily for them, the Bears pass rush isn't actually that great.
53:24And now that Dio is injured, it's not going to be great this week either.
53:28So if Penix is kept clean, they could have a lot of success offensively.
53:33And obviously, you know, Bichon's incredible. Drake London's incredible and all that kind of stuff.
53:37Really, the Falcons offense is going to struggle against teams that can actually just make Penix uncomfortable.
53:43Under pressure per next-gen stats. Last week against Baltimore, two of nine for like 3.6 yards per attempt.
53:48It just wasn't great. That third and five that could have clinched the game for them.
53:53He was under pressure against a zero look. Missed the throw against Bichon, where Bichon was matched up in space against a 40-year-old Calais Campbell.
54:01You hit that throw, you probably win the game.
54:04They didn't hit the throw. They didn't win the game.
54:07So that's the key thing for here on the Atlanta side.
54:10On the Chicago side, is Caleb playing yes or no?
54:13I believe he is. Just based on the pregame workout that he did this past week, it looked like they were really
54:20close to letting him go, but they wanted to be cautious with it just to make sure that there were no complications.
54:27I do believe he's going to play this week if I had to guess on that.
54:32And I still, you know, even with their banged up running backs and even with, you know, the secondary not playing super
54:38well last week, I still do believe that the difference in quarterback play between Caleb Williams and Michael Penix is big enough
54:45where I think the Bears are going to win this game.
54:48That being said, not very confident in it. Okay.
54:51I put it at the three spot. Okay. So I have the Bears winning this game as well.
54:57I have it. I have it at the seven spot.
55:00And I think that that just comes down to how much faith I have in Ben Johnson with Caleb Williams as his quarterback.
55:07Now, I think the interesting part in this game isn't necessarily Caleb himself, but it's how Caleb's presence can affect the run game for Chicago.
55:15Because you go back to that Packers game. Yeah, it was a massive gap on the scoreboard.
55:20But really, the difference in this game was how quickly the Bears let this script get away from them.
55:26And then they were not able to run the ball.
55:29You get into the second half of this game, I mean, you basically have to throw.
55:34You're down so much on the scoreboard. They're down two scores in the second quarter.
55:38You can't even play the game plan that you want to.
55:42And for as much as the talk is always about Ben Johnson and Caleb Williams and, you know, what they can do
55:48in this offense passing the football and all the explosives through the air, it's the run game, man.
55:54I mean, you go back to that Carolina game that they played in week one.
55:59Yeah, Caleb was great. It was the run game, man.
56:02They were running the ball all over the Panthers, and that's what they want to do.
56:07Now, the Falcons specifically have been great at defending the run this year.
56:11They're one of the better teams when it comes to yards per game allowed on the ground.
56:16They've been very sound in that area. So I think the Bears will need Caleb to be in this game to take
56:23off that pressure of the run game. But if he plays, and I agree with you, I think he does play.
56:29I think that offense is balanced enough, and I think that they're able to get it done.
56:34So I put Chicago at the seven spot here because I think it's going to be a little bit better for them
56:41on the ground because they're going to be a little bit more balanced in this game.
56:46Speaking of the Baltimore Ravens who defeated the Atlanta Falcons last week, Baltimore's taking on the Cleveland Browns.
56:52Browns coming off a loss to the New York Jets.
56:55What do you think about this game? Who are you taking, and where is it in the rankings?
57:00I'm taking Baltimore. I put it at the sixth spot.
57:03I don't think that Huntley had a remarkable day last week against Atlanta, but he did exactly what a backup quarterback is supposed to do.
57:11Second half in OT, he was 13 of 14, didn't even attempt to pass over 20 yards, only completed two passes over 10 yards.
57:18But if you're looking at the passing map and seeing how he distributed the ball underneath, he used every blade of grass under 10 yards.
57:26It wasn't just a, I'm pushing it to the boundary.
57:29He also used the short middle of the field too, which if you're going to play that kind of point guard style,
57:36that's exactly how you should be doing. You should be willing to work the middle as well.
57:41So I think whether it's Huntley or Lamar, as of right now, we don't know if Lamar is going to be back.
57:48But no matter who is in there at quarterback for Baltimore, I have confidence in their ability to execute this offense because
57:55they are still, even after starting Snoop, against a good Falcons defense, they're the number one offense in the entire league in terms of success rate.
58:03Like Declan Doyle is cooking no matter who is out there.
58:06So I have a lot of confidence in this offense.
58:09I have confidence in Jesse Minter in terms of game management over, let's just say the previous era.
58:15I think he's been overall very good at that.
58:17And, you know, Cleveland, I think they're better than I thought they would be going into this year.
58:23I think a lot of their young talent has played really well.
58:27Denzel Boston's been awesome. You know, they've been very good at getting yards after the catch.
58:32I just still feel like they're a year away from being a year away.
58:36And while this game will be close, I really do believe it's going to be close.
58:41Ultimately, I just have more faith in the baseline of the Baltimore Ravens than I do in the baseline of the Cleveland Browns.
58:48So give me the Ravens in this one narrowly.
58:51But I did put it at the confidence spot of six.
58:54Yeah, the Browns are still a team that is playing a lot of young guys.
58:59And I think early on in the season, they were playing above expectation.
59:03They really were able to surprise teams. And that's how you get a couple of those early wins for Cleveland.
59:09But I think this past week against the Browns, or excuse me, this past week against the Jets, you saw, okay, we're playing a lot of rookies.
59:17And it really showed up in this game specifically was how often Deshaun Watson was pressured.
59:22Deshaun was pressured on 26 of his 44 dropbacks.
59:25It's almost a 60% pressure rate. It's the second highest pressure rate Watson's faced in a single game since 2018.
59:31It was the most of an Aaron Glenn team since he took over for the New York Jets.
59:37And so they were really able to get after a younger offensive line.
59:41And even though the Ravens' pass rush isn't the best that it's been over the last half decade, I still think that
59:47this unit can rattle Deshaun Watson and this offense and a lot of these young guys, especially if the offense is playing at a pretty high level.
59:56Like you had mentioned, their success rate's been pretty consistently high all season long.
60:00If that's going to continue to be the case, which I think that it can be, give me Baltimore in this one.
60:07They were lucky for me in the eighth spot last week.
60:10Let's keep them in the eighth spot for this week.
60:13So I'll take Baltimore and I'll have them at the eighth spot.
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60:29When you meet people and you say your job's a sports announcer, it's always interesting to see what the first thing they say is.
60:37I did have one of the more difficult questions, though.
60:40He sits next to me and he sees I'm on my computer and he goes, big sports fan.
60:45And I was like, yeah, actually. And he goes, what do you think about my Jaguars this year?
60:51I realized like no one's ever asked me that question ever about anything.
60:55And I was like, do you think about this game?
60:58What do the Eagles do well? Like, I don't.
61:01Truly. It's one of those things that I can answer that question for you inconsistently.
61:05Like, I think that Hurts is still doing a nice job of avoiding the big negatives and escaping pressure when it's in
61:12the pocket versus an offensive line that's not ideal or not typical of a Philly offensive line over the last half decade.
61:19They can throw it deep. You know, when the game script kind of calls for it, especially outside the numbers because Hurts is good at that.
61:27But do they do those things consistently? No. Even though they're good at it, they don't do them consistently this year.
61:33So it's tough to answer that question. I think, you know, while Carolina does have some of their own issues, obviously they've been banged up on defense.
61:42You know, losing both corners doesn't help anybody. You know, I think the bye week came at a good time for them to try to get healthy again.
61:50But offensively, these two teams are not in the same tier.
61:54Like, not even close. Like, Bryce is playing fantastic.
61:56McMillan's playing more than fantastic. He's been unbelievable, especially now they're giving him more reps in the slot where he is just eating people alive.
62:04The run game was productive the last time we saw them.
62:07Young offensive line, you know, similar to Cleveland, I think has been a little up and down.
62:13But Bryce has been so good under pressure, it hasn't really mattered that much.
62:17I think Canalis is getting the most out of this team, even through the injuries that started back in August in camp.
62:24Like, we still haven't seen anything close to what a fully armed and operational Panthers team looks like when they're fully healthy.
62:30We won't this entire year because of some of their injuries.
62:34But they're still a really good team even through that.
62:37And they just do so many things well they can hang their hat on, especially offensively compared to the Eagles, that I
62:44just, I don't think they have an identity. I don't think they have anything they can really lean on to win this game.
62:51So give me Carolina. Put them at the 8th spot.
62:54So I also have Carolina in this game. I have them at the 5th spot right in the middle.
63:00And I have more faith in Carolina to execute this game plan the way that they want to.
63:05But they could potentially have some other heavy hitters coming back in this game, right?
63:10Devontae Smith could come back in this game. Saquon Barkley could come back in this game.
63:15And obviously they've had those guys and still had their struggles.
63:18But if those guys play, I think it's a lot closer.
63:22And I think they have the ability to keep this game closer than maybe most think.
63:26But when you talk about Bryce Young in this Panthers offense, it's fantastic.
63:30He's top 5 if not top 3 in passing yards, completion percentage above expected, EPA per dropback all against zone.
63:37He is an assassin this year. And anytime you have a quarterback who's playing that confidently, it's hard to bet against him.
63:43So even though I only have him at the 5th spot here, I do still have the Carolina Panthers at the 5th spot to beat the Philadelphia Eagles.
63:52The Pittsburgh Steelers and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Tampa Bay, the team that tripped up everybody last week.
63:58Who are you picking in this game and where is he going on the confidence rankings?
64:02So the Steelers have been another one of these teams that has been really good at getting yards after the catch.
64:09They had 179 yards after the catch last week.
64:12You know, Aaron Rodgers, he's three straight games with three touchdowns.
64:15But a lot of that is just because his guys have been so good after the catch.
64:20And I do wonder if Tampa Bay is going to be able to do anything about Jalen Warren in space.
64:26It feels like nobody's been able to do anything about Jalen Warren in space so far this year.
64:32I do think that this is going to be a fairly close game.
64:36I don't necessarily think that Pittsburgh is, how do I say this diplomatically?
64:40I don't think they're going to be there in the end at the AFC.
64:44Okay. But I also don't think Tampa is even going to be in the playoffs at this point.
64:50So if we're just looking at which team is better, I would say Pittsburgh is better.
64:55But this reads to me like a battle of two teams that are not contenders.
64:59And so which one is just closer to being solid or just is solid?
65:04I would say that the Steelers, really exciting, young, talented offensive line, plus great running back, plus quarterback that's just not making mistakes.
65:11And Aaron Rodgers, you know, you have a woolly mammoth at tight end in Darnell Washington where you give him the ball and let him rumble.
65:19There's just so many things that they can do to you.
65:22That's what he is, man. Like he's just impossible to bring down by yourself.
65:26So like Rodgers doesn't have to make crazy throws.
65:29He just has guys that can make plays once they have the ball in their hands.
65:34And that's a tough formula to deal with. So yeah, give me Pittsburgh here.
65:38But I did put it at the one spot because I still, I'm not all the way in on the Steelers this year.
65:46I just think they're better than Tampa. Yeah, understandably so.
65:49I mean, it's interesting that you brought up Aaron Rodgers.
65:5222 of 31 passes last week. 235 yards, three touchdowns, no interceptions.
65:55You'd be like, whoa, phenomenal day at the office for Aaron Rodgers.
65:594.1 air yards per attempt. That's his lowest of a single game this season.
66:03So you're right. That's the script. But even with that being the script, I don't know how much faith I have in
66:10the Buccaneers to be able to cover either Jalen Warren or Darnell Washington, like you mentioned.
66:15I think that Jacob Parrish has been fantastic and very reliable for them tackling.
66:19But he's just one man in that secondary. The rest is kind of up for grabs.
66:24I took Pittsburgh and I took them at the sixth spot here just because of, I don't think that Pittsburgh has a high ceiling as a team.
66:33But even the floor of this team, I think you have to kind of bet on that given all of Tampa's inconsistencies.
66:39Even last week, I mean, Tampa was great. Don't get me wrong.
66:43But you take out a couple of Bucky Irving, like crazy runs from this game and they might not even win that
66:50game against a Cowboys team that played horribly. So I just it's hard to have a lot of faith in this Tampa
66:57team until they really start to stack better games.
66:59And I'm not ready to bet on them yet.
67:02So give me Pittsburgh. Give me them at the sixth spot here.
67:06What about the Los Angeles Rams and the Arizona Cardinals as our next game here?
67:11A battle in the NFC West. That Cardinals game was not close.
67:14They they jumped out to an early lead. They got a couple or not even a couple.
67:19They got three three and outs in a row off the Lions.
67:23They had a 14 play drive that scored early.
67:26And then they went three and out, three and out, three and out, three and out, three and out.
67:32Back to back, back, back, back. And then through a pick going into halftime would, you know, it's arm punt last few seconds.
67:39Who cares? But you have six straight drives doing absolutely nothing.
67:42And in that time span, the Lions did touchdown, touchdown, touchdown field goal.
67:46Next thing you know, it's 24 to seven. So they started out getting three stops and with a lead and then just got steamrolled.
67:54This team is not close. They're really not close.
67:56And looking back on that win against the Chargers in week one, where initially we're like, oh, okay.
68:02Cardinals might be kind of feisty here. Like we like the Chargers.
68:06Now we know the Chargers are just bad. Yeah.
68:08Okay. That was that was bad team beating a bad team.
68:12Right. So I just I don't think there are anything near the Rams at this point.
68:17Not that the Rams don't have their own issues.
68:19Obviously, they do. But when the rubber meets the road and you play against a really good quarterback with really good weapons
68:26and a really good in a really good system.
68:29Even if you spot them seven points early, they can just have these avalanches happen against them when they do these three and outs.
68:36And, you know, their defense gets gasped because they're always on the field and the offense can't stay on the field.
68:43And it just looks like that. So give me the Rams.
68:46I'm very, very confident in this one. I put it at the nine spot.
68:51I'll do you one better. I put them at the 10 spot.
68:54I picked the Rams at the 10 spot in this game.
68:58And the reason why is because I think that these are teams that are going in different directions.
69:03I understand the Rams didn't win in overtime against the Bills, but I think they're looking better and better as a team overall.
69:10And even though I think that the Rams can certainly put up points, I trust or sorry, the Cardinals can put up points.
69:17I trust the Rams to be the better finisher in this game.
69:21And also, Brett, they have to win this game.
69:24They have to win this game because this is now the start of their run of Cardinals, Raiders, Chargers, Commanders, Cardinals.
69:30And in that five-game stretch, they basically have to win four out of those five games.
69:35And if you drop the first one, that's not the place that you want to be.
69:40So I think this Rams team knows that their back's against the wall here.
69:44They have to win this game against the Cardinals.
69:47And I think they're going to give the Cardinals their absolute best.
69:51So give me Los Angeles here. I've got them at the 10 spot this week.
69:55Staying in Los Angeles, the Chargers are taking on the Kansas City Chiefs.
69:59What do you think about this game? I got to go to the Chiefs.
70:04Similar kind of thing when we talk about the Eagles.
70:07What do the Chargers do well right now other than just stop the bleeding on defense?
70:12This is a very good defense in terms of EPA per play, but they're still 22nd in terms of points given up
70:19just because they have by far the most drives that start in their own territory this year.
70:24It's over three and a half per game that start in Charger territory that this Chargers defense has to deal with.
70:3019 total drives have started on their side of the 50.
70:34You can't play defense that way either. So I just, I feel bad for Chargers fans because it really did feel like
70:40going into this year, the hype really was at an all-time high, right?
70:44You bring in McDaniel. You have your tackles back.
70:47On paper, we like the weapons. You know, the defense, you're still keeping the same system with the same core of talent.
70:54Everything was lining up for them to just be a better version of what they were last year.
70:59And they are quite possibly the worst version of the Chargers that I've seen, even going back like multiple regimes.
71:06Like did the Brandon Staley era Chargers ever look this hopeless?
71:09I'm not sure that they have. And here we are five weeks into the season and they really do look hopeless.
71:15So even with the defense putting up a good fight, it hasn't really made that much of a difference.
71:21Give me the Chiefs by a lot in this game.
71:24I put it at the seventh spot. I, once again, I have this one a little bit higher than you.
71:31Give me the Chiefs and I'm going to put it at the ninth spot.
71:35Now, the only saving grace that I feel like I have for the Chargers is the Chargers have played the Chiefs close
71:42a lot over the last couple of seasons. And for the longest time, the Chiefs have been, and in ways still are, the crown jewel of that division.
71:50And no matter what, any of those three teams that go up against the Chiefs, the Broncos, the Chargers, the Raiders or
71:57whatever, they circle this game on the calendar. They go, okay, who cares what we did the rest of the year?
72:04If we can say we beat Kansas City, we're going to have some pride.
72:08And so again, just kind of like I've kind of talked about with the Rams, that they've got to win this game.
72:15I think the same with the Chargers. Because if you beat the Chiefs, it can be a mini turnaround for you.
72:21I think it's a little too late to be talking about the postseason with them in any way, shape, or form.
72:28But at least you're playing for some pride. You lose this game and that's avalanche continues to be in winless.
72:34Boy, this is going to get real ugly down the stretch of the season.
72:38So again, this feels like a game where, I mean, Herbert has looked just, I don't know, man, unfocused, it feels like at times.
72:45I mean, I don't even know what he's looking at.
72:48He's throwing the easiest interceptions of his entire career.
72:51Even for people who criticize Justin Herbert at the highest level, the interceptions that he's throwing this year are totally different.
72:58They're in a totally different level than anything that he has attempted and tried before.
73:02It's like he's just not seeing defenders. The run game's inconsistent.
73:06The O-line is beat up. The receivers aren't consistent.
73:08And the defense, you're right. I mean, it's been okay at times, but it can't hold up and it can't buoy this
73:15offense the way that the offense has been playing.
73:18All that to say, you beat the Chiefs, it's a totally different season.
73:22But I don't think they're going to beat the Chiefs.
73:25Give me Kansas City in this game and give me them at the ninth spot here.
73:30All right, next game, the Buffalo Bills against the Las Vegas Raiders.
73:34Bills coming off of a thrilling overtime victory against the Los Angeles Rams.
73:38Who you got in this one? So this is a really interesting matchup because I'm not entirely sure what approach the Raiders defense is going to take here.
73:46Yeah, right, right. They played with fire, played some quarters against Drake May.
73:50That's not something you want to do. It basically creates these one-on-ones.
73:54And if you're going to give Drake May a one-on-one, he's going to drop the ball in the bucket and he's going to score.
74:01Had three touchdowns just against quarters last week. This is not necessarily a team that majors in quarters.
74:07In fact, their most called coverage is cover three.
74:10They also play a bunch of cloud. But really, their only coverage that they're top 12 in is cover three.
74:16And if you're looking at Josh Allen specifically against cover three, it's a 105.7 passer rating against it this year.
74:22Eight and a half yards per attempt. Completion percentage over expected of 5.2%.
74:26He's not getting the same explosives that he did, specifically against these middle field closed coverages that when he had like Stefan
74:33Diggs and Gabe Davis back when Gabe Davis, all he did was catch 50 yarders.
74:37Right. It's not the same explosive rate against this coverage, but he's still very efficient against it.
74:43And he has a bunch of targets that are really good at finding these soft spots in the zone, especially against cover
74:49three, and just making these hook droppers' lives hell.
74:52So this is almost like a N'Kobe Dean versus Josh Allen kind of game.
74:56Yeah, that's what I thought too. Right? Like you and I are in the same spot.
75:01If anybody's going to get targeted a lot, it's going to be N'Kobe Dean.
75:06So how does he hold up here? That's what I'm really curious to see.
75:10Also, the Raiders' rush discipline has to be a lot better than the Rams was.
75:15We talked about that, obviously, where they were just giving these seams for Allen to step up through the front door.
75:21He already got 120 yards rushing on Monday night because the Rams were bad at rush lane discipline.
75:27So can they keep Allen contained in the pocket?
75:29And can these linebackers not get eaten alive when they're in cover three?
75:33Those are the two main questions. As far as the answers to that, I still lean towards Josh Allen and the Bills.
75:40I don't feel amazing about it, but if you ask me to just look at the top line of Josh Allen and
75:47the Bills versus Kirk Cousins and the Raiders, how close do you think the Raiders are to being at that level of team?
75:54A couple weeks ago, I would have said fairly close.
75:57After last week, less so. Yeah. So I'll take Buffalo narrowly.
76:00I put it at the five spot. I gave, I think, my respect to both sides.
76:05I don't think it's going to be a blowout.
76:08I don't think it's going to be an unentertaining game.
76:11In fact, I think it's going to be damn good TV, but I do think the Bills will win.
76:17I'm going to take the Bills as well. I only have it at my two spot, and that's because I'm a little uncertain on a handful of things.
76:26One of the big ones for the Raiders, and I think they can definitely keep it close in this game and maybe
76:32even get the upset because, look, if you play a certain style of coverage that Josh Allen just feels like he can
76:39get aggressive with and he can't, let's say you've got an extra deep defender and he's like, yeah, I'm still going to challenge it.
76:47I mean, we even saw that for the Rams.
76:49He had a throw where he was like, nah, okay, I don't care.
76:53I'm just going to challenge it anyways. You get too many of those and anybody can beat the Bills, and I think
77:00that's the pro and the con of Josh Allen, of course.
77:04You could beat anybody, but also if you beat yourself, well, you're letting everybody back in the door.
77:09But for the Raiders, the big issue for me is along their offensive line.
77:13That's where they really struggled last week for the first time all season.
77:17They only had one offensive lineman. It was DJ Glaze who had a pressure percentage below 12% in that game.
77:24Everybody else, I mean, I'm talking about quarterback pressures allowed.
77:27Colton Miller, five. Tyler Linderbaum, five. Spencer Burford, nine.
77:29Jackson Powers Johnson, five. I mean, they're just giving up pressures a lot to the Patriots, and that was a major issue.
77:36If that doesn't get better, they're not going to win.
77:39This is more of a toss-up game than I thought.
77:42So give me Buffalo, but give me them at the two spot.
77:46What about the Washington Commanders and the San Francisco 49ers?
77:49What do you think about this game? I'm really confident in the Niners.
77:53I'm also terrified because I put it at my 10 spot.
77:57Ah, there it is. There it is. 10 spots haven't been good for us lately, man.
78:01Looking at all the games this week and what our options were, it's like, I could have maybe done Carolina there.
78:08I maybe could have done the Rams there. Could have done the Chiefs there.
78:12But ultimately, if we're just looking at who is the best team out of those options, I would say San Francisco.
78:19As far as who can I rely on the most to get me a W when I absolutely need it because I
78:25don't want to lose 10 points, it is the Niners this year.
78:29They've been banged up in typical Niners fashion. They have not been completely healthy.
78:33It hasn't necessarily mattered that much. Yeah. Brock Purdy has played fantastic football all year long.
78:38He did get got once last week. You know, Mike McDonald got him with a really nifty Palms call, you know, picked him off there with Nehemiah Pritchett.
78:47But other than that, played a really efficient game.
78:50Mike Evans has just been a godsend for this team.
78:53Offensive line, at least before the Seattle game, was playing really, really good football.
78:57The defense, I mean, Grayson Halton has just emerged as a force for them on the inside.
79:02You know, you have great linebackers there, even though they are going to be down Drake Greenlaw in this game.
79:09But I just compare the quarterback play, the talent, the coaching, just all three of those things compared to what the commanders are working with right now.
79:17Especially situational awareness, the difference between these two teams, apparently.
79:20I have to go with the Niners. I really do.
79:23I also have to go with the Niners. I only have it in my three spot.
79:28And it's just because I was like, is this a letdown game for San Francisco?
79:33You know, they're riding high. They're coming off of the victory against Seattle.
79:37Obviously, the commanders are in the exact opposite spot.
79:39They should have had a victory and it obviously did not go well at the end.
79:44You were talking about that situational awareness. But they were still there at the end.
79:49They were forcing the turnover. They got the ball back.
79:52They marched in a field goal position. And I don't know.
79:55I saw more explosive plays for them when Jaden is back.
79:59Jaden was excellent as a scrambler as well. I know that the Niners have the linebackers to be able to handle that.
80:05But again, I'm taking the Niners in this game.
80:08It was just for whatever reason, I was just like, I don't know.
80:12Like, I could see Jaden playing Superman and almost being like, you know what?
80:17Screw it. Y'all, I'm throwing caution to the win.
80:19We got to start winning football games. And I guess it kind of has to start this week for them, especially with
80:26them being pissed off with how last week ended.
80:29So I'm going to go with the Niners. But I got them at three spots.
80:33So I'm giving Washington and maybe that desperation. I think that might be a theme of some of my picks here is
80:40some of the desperation that some of these teams might have and why I think that they're going to get a victory.
80:47Last game is the Dallas Cowboys and the Green Bay Packers.
80:50Dallas coming off of a major letdown against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers on Thursday night football.
80:55Packers coming off of a red hot game where they defeated the Chicago Bears by letting Jordan Love just, man, throw it
81:02all over the yard, especially deep down the field.
81:05Do the Cowboys have what it takes to limit Jordan Love and what he wants to do with those deep passes?
81:11Who do you got winning this one? And where is it in the confidence for you?
81:16This is the one game of the week, and I seem to have one of these every single week where I just
81:23throw my hands up and say, I got no idea.
81:26I don't. We just we got no idea which version of the teams is going to show.
81:31Yes. Yes. I have no clue what we're going to get from week to week with these teams.
81:37And now that Mike Patton's involved and, you know, he's going to have influence on this defense.
81:42I don't even know what they're going to look like defensively.
81:45Not even effectiveness wise, scheme wise. I don't know what they're going to look like.
81:50Does he have like a little bit of an input?
81:53Like, hey, you know what? I'd maybe do a little bit here.
81:57Are they basically like, hey, buddy, you're basically calling things and he's not basically calling things.
82:02But you know what I'm saying? Like, we got to install more stuff because whatever we've done on defense has not worked to this point in the season.
82:10I mean, once upon a time in Philly where Christian Parker came from, you know, and it was Gannon who is the D.C.
82:17Vic Fangio was a consultant behind the scenes in Philly.
82:21This was like before he took the Miami job.
82:23And he had major input on the defense, even though he was living across the country over in Northern California.
82:30But as a consultant, he would roll into his office at Stanford every single day and give real actionable insights on what they should do.
82:37And they were really good defense. So I don't know how much input he's going to have here, but they didn't announce that they hired him for nothing.
82:46Right? Like, clearly he's going to be involved. And so I don't know what this defense is going to look like.
82:52I also don't know what the Packers offense is going to look like.
82:56Is this offensive line terrible? Are they good? We get different results from week to week.
83:01Maybe they'll settle somewhere in the middle, but I don't know what version of this Packers offensive line we're going to get either.
83:08So it's a battle between two teams that I don't have a good read on.
83:13When they're at their best, they can score on anyone.
83:16I'll say that about both of them, really. So maybe this is like a 33-31 type of game.
83:22But it could also very easily be kind of like that slop fest we saw against Dallas where the Cowboys just can't
83:28get going and they just can't get their defense off the field.
83:32And we end up with a low possession count, low scoring, kind of weird to watch game that's like 17-15 in the fourth quarter.
83:39It could go either way here. I have no clue.
83:42I'm taking Dallas. Okay. I don't feel good about it.
83:46Okay. And that's why I put it at the two spot.
83:49I also took Dallas and I put it at the one spot.
83:53So just very similar reasons of we have seen the best and the worst of these teams five weeks into the season.
83:59And that's such a small sample size to see such a strong variance of teams that it's hard to be able to
84:06predict what we are going to see here. Especially, it might be a little bit easier to predict if there wasn't the Mike Patton domino in there.
84:14But truly, who knows what's going to happen in this game.
84:18But give me Dallas. I'll take the Dallas Cowboys.
84:21Those are our 10. 10 up and 10 down.
84:23That's our confidence rankings. All right. Very fun show.
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84:55And we'll see you after all the Week 6 games on Sunday.
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