0:00This is an iHeart Podcast. Guaranteed human. It's been a long time since a Super Bowl champion lost at home like this.
0:06Coming up on the NFL: The Insiders, what it means that the Bears smoked the Seahawks.
0:11Meantime, is the NFC East already over? Why JJ and the Giants are looking to pull away in a suddenly average division.
0:18And why the Steelers are pulling away in a great division.
0:21Alex Highsmith joins us from Pittsburgh. That's coming up next on the NFL Report.
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0:27Hi there, my name is Andrew Siciliano from our studios in Los Angeles.
0:31Thank you for watching. Coming up, Nick Shook has brand new power rankings.
0:35If you're an Eagles fan, you may not like them.
0:38That's right around the corner. In the meantime, let's do what's news to me.
0:42The headlines here on a Tuesday as we get ready for week number nine.
0:46Jeremiah Love is going to be out for at least a month.
0:50He is going on injured reserve. The rookie running back has yet another ankle injury.
0:54Only six games, only 268 yards rushing for number three overall pick.
0:58He has already missed two games with a different ankle injury.
1:01Let's go to Baltimore. Ravens are playing on Thursday night and let's get to know Joey Fagnano because he is the starting quarterback now for the Ravens.
1:09He is a seven year college player at Maine and at UConn.
1:12He's an undrafted rookie free agent and he is the last quarterback standing after injuries to Lamar Jackson and Tyler Huntley.
1:18It's special. It's really the only way I can think about it.
1:22You know, you work a lot to get into this position.
1:25It's unfortunate to see what happened to Lamar and Snoop, especially being two guys that I look up to since coming to
1:31the organization with the Ravens have helped me out a ton.
1:35So that part's tough. But, you know, I've had talks with them and, you know, it's truly, you know, next man up mentality.
1:41And my job now is just to, you know, play the best of my ability.
1:46Joey Fignano starting for the Ravens against the Jaguars.
1:48Meantime had a pretty good Monday night football game to wrap up week number eight.
1:53The Jeffrey Simmons debut for the Bears a couple of days after they gave up two number one picks to the Titans to get him.
2:00I think he made an impact. He had a sack.
2:03He had a TFL. He had six tackles. He had three pressures.
2:06You felt him every single play. Bears were kind of dominating.
2:10But then final minute second quarter, Sam Darnold, Jackson Smith and Jigba.
2:13I think he's open a 43 yard touchdown. And all of a sudden we've got a one score game.
2:19We have a one score game early fourth quarter when this is a run, by the way, it's a backward pass.
2:25Khalif Raymond took off 39 yards. That would lead to a DeAndre Swift touchdown.
2:29The Bears start to pull away and then the Bears put it away with the 10 point lead shortly thereafter.
2:35When Sam Darnold gets tipped at the line behind the line by Austin Booker, James Lynch picks it off.
2:40He rumbles inside the 10 and then DeAndre Swift would score his third touchdown of the night.
2:45It all short runs. He had a big day and because of it, Nick Shook beat me in fantasy.
2:51Not that anyone cares. I'm just saying that was the dagger.
2:54And it also gave the Bears their sixth win of the year.
2:58That's who we want to be known as when we come in that we're also a force to be reckoned with.
3:04I mean, that's a I mean, they just won a Super Bowl last year.
3:08They got a bunch of guys back. That's a worthy opponent on all sides of the ball, offense, defense, special teams.
3:14They got all pro guys. They got, you know, a bunch of a bunch of talent over there.
3:19They got the scheme. And so we knew it was going to be a challenge.
3:24We knew it was going to be a dogfight.
3:26We knew that our identity, our identity, you know, had to show up for us.
3:31And, you know, I think it did today. Yeah, not our best tonight, guys.
3:35It was, you know, just offensively couldn't really feel like we couldn't get anything going.
3:39You know, we had a couple of good drives.
3:42I feel like early on, you know, at a third down where Jax was there and I should have gotten it to him early.
3:49So, yeah, you know, again, credit, credit to those guys.
3:52You know, they had a good plan and, you know, executed at a high level.
3:56But again, there's a lot of things that we can do better and need to do better moving forward.
4:01Nobody cares that Nick Shook beat me in fantasy last night.
4:05They do care, however, that the Bears are 6-2.
4:07And they looked like a wagon last night, man.
4:10I mean, Jeffrey Simmons does make that much of a difference.
4:13He does. He really does. And you can see it instantly.
4:16As soon as this, I mean, as soon as he was on the field, it was from the beginning Dennis Allen didn't
4:23have to manufacture a pass rush anymore. They could just rush four all day.
4:27And it was perfectly fine. It changes the look of this defense.
4:30And when you balance that out with the offense that the Bears bring to the table, you get a type of performance
4:37in which you shut down, largely, the defending Super Bowl champions.
4:40And you drop 34 on the defense that everybody else in the NFL seems to be afraid of.
4:45Here's some numbers real quick just to show you how impactful Jeff Simmons was last night.
4:50When he was on the field, the Bears averaged three yards per play.
4:54Opposing offensive success rate, 25%. They had five tackles for losses.
4:57The defense, when he was off the field, this is only eight plays.
5:0113.3 yards per play, 62.5% success rate, explosive rate over 35%.
5:04So that's how much of a difference he makes and how he could really turn this team into a legit Super Bowl contender.
5:11I think they were without him. Now they definitely are with him.
5:14And they definitely are as well with the way that Caleb is playing.
5:18I don't want to say the light has gone on.
5:21This is year three overall, year two with Ben Johnson.
5:24But he is no longer a, hey, let's hope Caleb doesn't make a couple of mistakes.
5:28And let's hope he plays clean football. He's out there dealing.
5:32He's the reason this offense is so good. The reason and the person who is in charge of executing what Ben Johnson
5:38wants to draw up, which gets kind of complicated depending on the situation.
5:42Like this one right here, where you just have a direct snap to DeAndre Swift, who then tosses to Caleb in motion.
5:48He hits Romo Dunze for a big game. Or maybe it was that third down backward pass that really changed the game with Kalief Raymond catching and running.
5:56He is able to do this now because he's completely comfortable in this offense now in year three, and he elevates them.
6:03We saw what they look like with Tyson Bajan and Case Keenum, and now you put Caleb back in there.
6:09They are a monstrous offense. Yeah, he's kind of a conductor back there.
6:13He's a conductor playing Ben Johnson's music and playing it beautifully.
6:16The flip side of that is, after the Bears beat the Patriots and the Seahawks, the two teams from the Super Bowl
6:22in Santa Clara, is that Seattle is 4-4. Defense, okay, Bears beat them up, but the offense has issues.
6:28The offense has issues, and they're not new issues.
6:30It's not just Sam Darnold struggling with interceptions and turnovers and that sort of thing.
6:35It's a lack of urgency offensively. It's an over-dependence on the running game, even in the final seven minutes of a two-score game.
6:41They're running on first and second down. It's a lack of identity outside of throwing the ball to Jackson Smith and Jigba.
6:48I'm starting to feel like a broken record because I feel like they've been running too much of their offense through JSN for much of this season.
6:56It did get them a touchdown and prevented a blowout in the first half, but that was also dependent on a Bears defensive mistake.
7:03They cannot continue to operate like this. They have to find another way to move the football, or else this type of
7:09outcome is going to continue to happen against some of the league's best teams.
7:13Seahawks get the Cardinals this week. This game is in Seattle.
7:16It'll be a division game. Stick around. I want to get some other news here, including some news in Dallas.
7:22It's Tuesday, which means that the owner is talking Jerry Jones on the radio every Tuesday.
7:27Today he said that he wants the 3-5 Cowboys to get George Pickens the ball more, okay?
7:32Pickens has 10 targets the last two weeks, including only four Sunday.
7:35When they blew a 14-point lead and lost to the Cardinals.
7:39He needs the ball coming his way more. And there's your good case.
7:42You say, what can you do differently than we did out there the other day?
7:47We get the ball in that direction more. And we press that.
7:50We had a really firm game plan to come out there and run that ball.
7:55We ran the ball, I think, 39 times. And we just didn't get it done.
7:59Cowboys, for what it's worth, are only one game back in the win column behind the Giants.
8:04They are in Philly. The Giants are on Sunday.
8:07And yes, the Eagles are bad. They've lost six in a row.
8:10But consider this. The Giants have not won a regular season game at the Lynx since 2013.
8:15A lot of respect for that team, that organization, everything about them.
8:19We understand defending champs in the division, recent world champs, all those kind of things.
8:23We're looking forward to our opportunity. This iteration of the Giants does not win in Philadelphia since 2013.
8:28Yeah. I didn't know that. I didn't know that.
8:31And I probably didn't need to know that. You know?
8:34So, yeah, we don't care. We don't care about that.
8:37Yeah, why are you telling me all that stupid stuff?
8:40I don't want to know that. The Giants are 4-2-1.
8:43The Giants are the best team in a bad division.
8:46I mean, it does raise the question, are they a good team in a bad division?
8:50Are they? I don't even know anymore. All I know is that they're 4-2-1 and they have a chance to pull away.
8:57Also, just more perspective here on the NFC East.
8:59Yes, that 10th overall pick that the Cowboys have will go to the Jets and the Jets have three.
9:05But three of the top 10 picks right now, all the teams not named the Giants, Nick Shook, have top 10 picks in the draft.
9:12So, make sense of the Giants in that division for me, please.
9:16What's the classic cliche? This is the NFC least because there's just no strength to this division.
9:21I used to call it the glamour division. Yeah, and it's not very glamorous.
9:25I still think it's the primetime division, but it's bad.
9:28No, it's ugly. It's ugly. It's a lot of ugly football.
9:31It's a lot of teams that I have a hard time having any confidence in.
9:35Sometimes that includes the Giants. Now, their most recent game, they proved to me that, hey, we can run the football.
9:41We can go into Houston and get a win.
9:44And they've been on the bye this past week.
9:47So, they're in a bit of a shadow right now.
9:49They also have J.J. McCarthy, a quarterback, somebody they just traded for recently, who had some really nice throws in this game.
9:56Can I buy that they're going to win the division?
9:59Yeah, because the rest of the division is not very good.
10:02I still don't know if they're a good team.
10:05I don't know either. But, you know, you put them in the NFC South.
10:09Are they running away with the division? I don't know.
10:12They're not in the NFC South. They're in the NFC East, and they make no complaints and no excuses for that.
10:18They're the Giants, and they're 4-2-1, and right now they're heading to the playoffs.
10:22Coming up, we're heading to the AFC North because I know that is a good division.
10:27And the team on top of said division right now are the 6-2 Pittsburgh Steelers.
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10:54They are in first place in the AFC North.
10:57They are 6-2, and they are on a bye, which means the Steelers have some time off, and Alex Highsmith has time
11:03to join us on the NFL Report. Alex, how does 6-2 and a bye week feel for you, man?
11:09That feels great. Thanks for having me on. Just to get the win yesterday was huge.
11:13You know, capping off the four-game win streak, going into the bye, and getting the AFC North dub at home to take
11:20the lead, and the AFC North was something that we really set our mind to, and so just to be able to
11:26get that win yesterday, you know, in that fashion, not just to win, but win dominantly was huge for us.
11:32Yeah, give me the state of the Steelers right now, because I feel like teams kind of figure themselves out in September,
11:38and then October, you have to truly kick it into gear, and that's what you guys have done since the game in Cleveland, winning four in a row.
11:47Yeah, I just think we're getting better every week, you know.
11:50Obviously, we didn't have the start that we wanted, being 2-2, and losing our first couple road games, but just seeing the
11:56way that we've gotten better over these last four weeks is something we can continue to build on, you know, in all
12:03phases, you know, not just defensively, but offensively, special teams as well.
12:06So these past couple games have been complimentary football, you know, where all three phases have been playing well, and so, you
12:13know, I'm just excited to keep it rolling with the guys after the bye.
12:17Your defensive coordinator, Patrick Graham, said that that Browns game week four primetime, the primetime loss in Cleveland, was a turning point.
12:23He said that on the way home, and for those who don't remember, that was the game in which TJ's on the
12:29phone yelling upstairs, and Cam is getting all heated on the sideline, and you guys lost, obviously.
12:34But that he listened on the bus home on the turnpike to Amy Winehouse, and that changed his life right then and there.
12:41Now he's down to the sideline. Now he's listening to you guys.
12:45Do you buy that Amy Winehouse changed your season?
12:47I mean, I heard that he listened to her all the way back from that game, and, you know, I do believe
12:54that was a turning point for us. So, you know, obviously he's been on the field with us ever since, and so
13:00just him being down there has just really, I think, helped us a lot for sure.
13:05But, you know, PG's been awesome, you know, ever since he came in.
13:09You know, he's just had a desire for us to be great.
13:12You know, he's a football guy. He knows football so well, and so I just think as we continue to, you know,
13:19gel as a unit, gel as a defense, you know, it's only going to get better from here on out.
13:24But, you know, like I said, I just love the way we're progressing as a defense, so we just got to continue to play like we have been.
13:33And, you know, with him calling plays, you know, I'm just excited to see what he continues to scheme up to put
13:39guys in position to make plays because we have a lot of playmakers on our defense.
13:44And so, you know, that's what he's doing. He's putting guys in position to make plays, and, you know, guys have been making those plays.
13:51It was more, though, than just moving downstairs. Something changed.
13:54What changed? Yeah, I just think just really, you know, having everyone looking in the mirror, you know, everyone just knowing that
14:00we got to be better because obviously that Browns game was frustrating because we played so bad in that game, and, you
14:07know, they came out and jumped up on us on that first half, and I think just everyone was just looking in the mirror after that game.
14:15You know, we had a long weekend, and we just did some self-scout stuff earlier in the week before we played the
14:21Colts that week and just really looking at us and our family, how we can get better.
14:26And I just think, you know, everyone just took a look at themselves in the mirror and just really everyone just buying
14:32in and just giving their all to it. And so, like I said, just love the trajectory that we're on, so we
14:39just got to keep building that way. Part of that winning streak also included a trip to Paris, back-to-back years.
14:45You guys win in Europe last year in Dublin, this year in Paris.
14:48How was that trip? It was awesome. I know we got over there later in the week, get to experience it.
14:55The weather wasn't the best. I think it was like 55.
14:58It was kind of cold and rainy a little bit, but it was an awesome trip.
15:02You know, I've been there before. One time me and my wife went over there for a trip a couple of all
15:09seasons ago, and we had to be over there with the guys and whatnot.
15:13It was really cool. You know, got to go out, get some dinner.
15:17A couple of the nights, got to see my wife and my family who was also there.
15:22So it was an awesome time, but to definitely get the win there just definitely made it special and made the plane ride back really fun.
15:29Yeah, it's never fun. I've been there when you're flying back from Europe after a loss.
15:34That is the worst flight home. How much does Darnell really weigh?
15:38I don't know what his actual weight is, but, you know, I know it's not what it is, what the site says.
15:44What our Steelers site says. Your media guide says 265.
15:47Yeah, I mean, I don't think it's that. So, I mean, I think he spoke about it in interviews, so, you know,
15:53I think when people ask him, I think he's the one that tells the truth.
15:58But, you know, it's not that for sure. Yeah, no, I think he said 311 or something last year.
16:03Man, I was down on the field before the game on Sunday, like two hours before the game, and he's warming up.
16:10He's bigger than your O-line. Like, no pads. This guy's stretching.
16:13He's bigger than the O-line. Yeah, he's, I remember when he came in for his pre-draft visit, because I'd known about him
16:19and watched him when he was at Georgia or whatever.
16:22I'm like, yeah, that's a big dude right there.
16:25So, I mean, he does a lot for us, man.
16:28Just, you know, one reason, he's part of the reason, you know, our run game is so successful as well.
16:34You know, O-line and him just making a lot of big blocks, and then obviously he can be that threat in the
16:40passing game, you know, in the red zone, and, you know, making those plays on the field like he did in the Browns game.
16:47So, you know, he's a key player for us, and he's only going to get better.
16:52Also key and also huge, not on the field, but you're always huge on the field, but off the field here, Alex,
16:58the reason we have you on, you are a crucial catch ambassador for the Steelers there in Pittsburgh.
17:03There are 32 of these around the league. You were selected by the American Cancer Society as that ambassador.
17:09I know it is a cause that is near and dear to your heart and that it is something that truly you're passionate about.
17:16Tell me about your work with the American Cancer Society and the crucial catch.
17:20Yeah, absolutely. You know, that was something that's definitely been close to my heart, you know, throughout my career, throughout my life, and, you know, recently as well.
17:28You know, my mom, you know, growing up, she had thyroid cancer, and, you know, she's a survivor from that.
17:34And then my mother-in-law, you know, recently had breast cancer, and she's survived from that as well.
17:39So, you know, people in my life have been impacted by cancer, and so I'm also an aunt who had breast cancer survivor as well.
17:46So there's been people, close family of mine that's been impacted by cancer.
17:50And so just being able to partner with them and, you know, do things with them just really means a lot to me.
17:57They're close to my heart. Yeah, and I know the Alex Highsmith Family Foundation, you do your work through them as well.
18:03My mom is a breast cancer survivor, a two-time, actually, breast cancer survivor.
18:07So anything that you can do in the community, Alex, for this kind of cause, man, tip of the cap to you, my friend.
18:14Appreciate that. Well done. And also, thank you for coming on again on a bye week.
18:19Best of luck to you guys the rest of the way.
18:22Yes, sir. Thank you, Andrew. Appreciate you for having me on.
18:25Thank you, sir. After the bye, by the way, the Steelers get the Bengals.
18:29Bengals are in Madrid this week to face the Falcons.
18:32As it stands right now, this is, according to the NextGenStats, the Steelers have a 77% chance to make the postseason.
18:38This is just the AFC. You got the Bills and the Broncos ahead of them.
18:43The Ravens at the bottom. And we're all shook up now.
18:46Ravens are 19%. Nick Shook is back with us.
18:48He doesn't seem to be shaking. 19%. They have Joey Fignano playing the Jaguars on Thursday night.
18:53The Topic Bar says the Ravens are done. Their playoff chances are over.
18:57Yes. The Ravens are cooked because of the quarterback situation, but also because this offense has no identity without their quarterback.
19:03This defense hasn't been able to stop a nosebleed.
19:06They've been on the field too much. And now you're playing with a third-string quarterback who is an undrafted free agent who
19:12tried his best last week, but he didn't mount much resistance to what the Bills wanted to do.
19:18So, look, I look at them right now. 19th in offensive points per game.
19:2222nd in defensive points per game. They're playing Jacksonville in a short week.
19:26Sorry, I just can't buy in any fashion that they're going to turn it around if Lamar Jackson misses the majority, if
19:32not all, of the remainder of the season. I don't know how long Tyler Huntley is going to be down with a
19:38toe, but it's just not looking good. So that hot start, it feels like it was miles in the past.
19:44Adrian in research says that if the Ravens lose this game on Thursday, their playoff odds dropped to 10%.
19:50He is all shook up as well about Jake Brisket, Jacoby Brissett, falling to number three on the Cardinals depth chart.
19:56Trade him? It's usually a sign of that. They put a for sale sign.
20:00Yes, essentially, with the trade deadline just about a week away.
20:03They said, hey, come take Jacoby Brissett off our hands because we don't feel good enough about him to play him through the rest of this game.
20:11We replaced him with Gardner Minshew. We got Carson Beck, who last shined in the Hall of Fame game, which was also ages ago.
20:18Amazing. And now let's see what we can get for him.
20:21And you know what? He's got a very tradable contract.
20:24It's feasible for a team that needs a veteran to trade for him.
20:28Let's think about, I don't know, maybe the team we just talked about, the Ravens.
20:32Could they be interested in a veteran to improve the current situation, which is nightmarish?
20:37Could the Vikings be interested if they get tired of Kyler Murray and don't want to go to Carson Wentz?
20:43Could he end up with a backup job with a contender?
20:46Who knows? But not only should they, I think they will trade Jacoby Brissett in the next week.
20:51He is, again, the QB3, the emergency QB. So says Mike LaFleur coming up in Seattle on Sunday.
20:56We mentioned the Seahawks' offensive struggles earlier with the Monday night highlight.
21:00Brian Fleury, your thoughts? Yeah, I know that Seahawks fans will agree with me on this one.
21:05They don't like what he's doing with his offense.
21:07They don't like the way that he's operating this scheme, the way that he approached the fourth quarter of Monday night's game.
21:14Should they move on? I think that they might consider it.
21:17Maybe not this week, but before long, they might want to consider it.
21:21Because if things don't change quickly, you're looking at a situation in which you have a great defense and you're going to
21:27be hovering around .500 in an NFC that has some serious monsters in the West.
21:32And you simply cannot afford to continue to slam the ball into an offensive line that cannot create space.
21:37You know, Jadarian Price comes back. Zach Charbonnet comes back.
21:40Neither can produce much of a difference in the last game on Monday night.
21:44It's too much reliance on JSN, like we said earlier.
21:47And I think eventually, if you're going to try to fix something and fix it quickly, it might be with the coordinator.
21:54You go out and you get Quentin Nelson. You flip Gray's able to the other guard position.
21:59Didn't work well. And you can't run the football.
22:01Granted, it was Jeffrey Simmons across the line in that very first day with the newly configured offensive line.
22:07The Bears are tough. But the Seahawks, obviously, at 4-4, they're fighting for their playoff lives right now.
22:12They still do get the Rams twice in December.
22:15But what are the Rams going to be in September?
22:18What are the Eagles going to be in December?
22:20I don't know, but I know what they are now.
22:23They've lost six in a row. Coming up next, you won't believe where Shook has them in the brand new power rankings.
22:29I don't know. Maybe you will. But there's your tease.
22:32Next. NFL.com slash power rankings. NFL.com slash power rankings.
22:35Go there now. Buffalo is number one. Minnesota was one last week.
22:39Minnesota's fallen to nine. Look at the bottom because this is more fun.
22:42The Eagles are 32. The Chargers are 0-7. And they're two spots ahead of the Eagles.
22:47What? Yeah. Well, when I watched Monday night's game.
22:50What? Sunday night's game. Excuse me. I just had one thought in my head, which was relegate the Eagles.
22:55Let's simulate to the end of the season. They are so banged up.
22:59They are just not competitive through four quarters. Tanner McKee tries to be as good as he can.
23:04The Chargers have not won any game. And they haven't won since September.
23:08And even those wins weren't impressive. Now they're so banged up.
23:11There's a little bit of projection here. And the projection is, I don't see how this team gets any better anytime soon.
23:18I'm projecting Eagles fans reaching out to you on social media.
23:21No, I think they would agree. They're a self-deputating bunch.
23:24Okay. Adrian Research agrees. Philadelphia fan. NFL.com slash power rankings.
23:27Thank you, Nick Shook. Let's get some quick hits in here.
23:30Some other headlines from around the National Football League.
23:33He's coming off a one-game suspension. And now he's getting cut.
23:36C.J. Gardner-Johnson is getting released by the Buffalo Bills.
23:38They're moving on from the veteran here as the Bills play a Monday night game in Minnesota.
23:43Congratulations, Greg Newsome. The former Brown, the former Jaguar gets a nice extension midseason with the Giants.
23:48It is a three-year contract worth $46 million, 32 of which is guaranteed.
23:52Happy for Greg Newsome. And time now for one more thing before we go.
23:56I found this on Reddit. So, actually, no, I didn't find this on Reddit.
24:00I found this in our notes that John Todd sent.
24:03Joey Fagnano is going to be the second undrafted rookie quarterback in modern NFL history to make his first career start on only three days rest.
24:11The last one to do it was David Blau, who had to start on Thanksgiving in 2019 against Matt Nagy's Bears.
24:17He played reasonably well. It was a one-score game.
24:20The Lions lost that game. However, David Blau is now the offensive coordinator of the Commanders.
24:24So, we're seeing a bit of history here. I wish Joey Fagnano the best seven-year college player at Maine and at UConn.
24:31I think it's actually a really good story. Go back and watch the Ravens' social media video in August when he made the team as that undrafted rookie.
24:39I'm just saying it is a call test. Power Rankings with Nick coming up next.
24:43The guy's working hard. So long. This is an iHeart Podcast.
24:46Guaranteed human.