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1 hr 5 min
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Nov 2, 2026
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Mon, November 2, 2026
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Cam WardJoe BurrowMichael WilsonBucky IrvingAnthony RichardsonBo NixDaniel JonesDeshaun WatsonDrake MayeEmmett JohnsonGardner MinshewJared GoffJayden DanielsJonah Coleman
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Anthony Richardson

NegativeRole55:57

Richardson was not inserted into the Colts' blowout loss to Jacksonville until very late in the game, despite ample runway for him to get meaningful snaps if the coaching staff were concerned with developing a potential next quarterback option. Kingsley Suamataia interpreted Steichen's reluctance to play Richardson sooner as a sign that the head coach does not expect to be with the team much longer and is prioritizing his own job security over the team's future development.

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Bo Nix

NegativeRole7:03

Early-season struggles appeared tied to offensive line issues and lack of run game support; Broncos' offensive identity was forced to be pass-heavy at the start, but the addition of Jonah Coleman as a three-down back should allow for more balanced play-calling and reduce pressure on Nix.

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Bucky Irving

PositiveBreakout0:48

May see increased opportunity following Tampa Bay's win by double digits without completing a pass, suggesting a potential shift toward run-heavy offensive approach that could benefit Irving.

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PositiveUsage50:09

Irving had 25+ carries in Tampa Bay's game against Atlanta and was part of a dominant rushing attack that accumulated 347 yards after contact and 119 yards after missed tackles despite facing 7+ defenders in the box 90.3% of the time (47 of 52 carries). The Buccaneers' run game was so effective that they won without completing a single pass—the first team since 1974 to do so. Irving generated 10 explosive runs of 10+ yards and had negative 0.4 yards before contact per carry, showcasing elite contact balance.

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Cam Ward

NegativeBreakout8:06

Despite the Titans' overtime loss, Kingsley Suamataia identified Cam Ward's performance as potentially the best game of his career and the most encouraging of his young career. In the second half, Ward went 11 of 15 for 132 yards with two touchdowns and a 139.4 passer rating (8.8 yards per attempt). Against man coverage specifically, Ward was exceptional: 11 of 17 for 158 yards, two touchdowns including a perfectly thrown slot fade in the red zone, 133.9 passer rating, and 9.3 yards per attempt. Suamataia attributed the breakthrough to Ward finally playing with decisiveness and arm strength after feeling pressure early in the season; once the Titans entered 'fire sale mode' following the Jeff Simmons trade, Ward played like his Miami version—letting it rip without fear of mistakes.

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NegativeProjection28:12

Ward was part of a high-volume passing game in the Titans' overtime loss to the Bengals, 43-36, in which the two quarterbacks combined for over 750 passing yards.

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PositiveRole31:03

The Titans deployed no-huddle offense at a season-high rate in the Cam Ward game: 41.4% of plays (29 total plays), the highest of any team so far this season. When running no-huddle, the Titans averaged 8.5 yards per play compared to the NFL average of 5.3 yards per play. This uptick in no-huddle usage correlates with Ward's best performance and mirrors the college version of Cam Ward, who operated with more freedom and decisiveness in similar pace-based systems.

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PositiveRole31:27

Cam Ward thrived in the Cardinals' no-huddle game plan against Cincinnati, running 29 total plays (highest of any team this season) with an 8.5 yards per play average when going no huddle versus the NFL average of 5.3. Kingsley Suamataia attributes this success to Ward's college-style ability to play off vibe and instincts; when playing no huddle, the pace is so sped up that there's no time to overthink, and Ward is one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL at playing off instinct despite his struggles. The no-huddle approach worked because Joe Burrow on the other side ensures the Bengals will match any pace, so the Cardinals had no reason to pump the brakes.

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Daniel Jones

NegativeProjection55:57

Jones continued to struggle for the Colts in their blowout loss to Jacksonville, posting a 2.59 time to throw but only a 32.4% success rate. Kingsley Suamataia noted that despite getting rid of the ball almost as quickly as possible, the Colts' offensive approach was not changing and was failing. Head coach Shane Steichen's decision to keep starting Jones over Anthony Richardson suggested the coaching staff knows it is probably not going to be there much longer and is 'going down on his sword.'

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Deshaun Watson

NegativeProjection43:59

Watson's performance against Pittsburgh was described as 'awful' and 'unplayable'; he took eight sacks primarily due to his own decision-making rather than offensive line failures. He froze when facing zone defenders even when they were out of position, had poor footwork mismatches (quick-game drops with developing routes), and made easily makeable throws like boundary hole shots against cover two that a quarterback making a quarter billion dollars should complete. Kingsley Suamataia questioned whether Watson should remain the starter going forward, comparing his performance unfavorably to backup Shudra Sanders.

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Drake Maye

PositiveProjection61:01

May is playing at an elite level and has shed the early-season demons of holding the ball too long and panicking. He was 11-for-15 on passes with more than 2.5 seconds time to throw, demonstrating comfort in the pocket. He has now stacked multiple weeks of strong performance and set a Patriots record with five consecutive games of 3+ total TDs (active streak), halfway to Tom Brady's franchise record of 10 set during his 2007 MVP season. Kingsley Suamataia has 'so much faith' in May and believes he is playing the quarterback position at a high level; the final score of 24-19 did not appropriately reflect how in control he was, as the Patriots were never truly threatened despite being down 13-3 at halftime.

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Emmett Johnson

PositiveBreakout5:13

Absolutely having a breakout through the first half of the season, especially in the Chiefs-Broncos Week 8 game; contributed significantly to Kansas City's offensive production through yards after catch.

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Gardner Minshew

PositiveProjection25:45

Since 2019, in games where Minshew does not start but enters mid-game in relief, he leads the NFL with 125 completions and over 1,300 yards; he ranks second in passing touchdowns (8) and passing first downs (65), and leads the NFL with 16 completions of 20+ yards. When entering as a backup with no pressure, he represents the best version of himself and poses a historic threat to opposing defenses.

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Jared Goff

PositiveProjection10:00

Performed well against Brian Flores' aggressive 89.7% blitz rate in Week 8; threw a perfect backward pass to Amon Ross St. Brown on a CFL-style play that worked to perfection, demonstrating elite execution under pressure and validating Flores' respect for Goff's ability despite the extreme blitz rate.

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Jayden Daniels

PositiveMatchup58:20

Daniels had a strong performance against Philadelphia's defense in the Commanders' 27-10 win, generating more than two-thirds of his 217 passing yards (148 yards) against man coverage on 8-of-13 completions with a touchdown. This was a career-high for passing yards against man coverage, demonstrating his ability to exploit man-to-man situations despite Philadelphia's talented secondary featuring Quinone Mitchell and Cooper DeGene.

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Joe Burrow

NegativeProjection28:12

Burrow was part of a high-volume passing game in the Bengals' overtime victory over the Titans, 43-36, in which the two quarterbacks combined for over 750 passing yards.

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PositiveProjection28:18

Kingsley Suamataia praised Burrow's performance as one of the most impressive of his career despite three interceptions; Burrow completed nearly 80% of passes, threw six total touchdowns, and accumulated almost 500 passing yards in the overtime victory against Tennessee. Suamataia characterized Burrow as 'beyond rare'—a quarterback that comes around once in a franchise's history—and emphasized his ability to keep firing at an elite level with deep throws into tight windows.

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PositiveProjection33:34

Joe Burrow is positioned as a high-volume passer in the Bengals' offensive scheme; Kingsley Suamataia notes that Burrow will be up to the task in any pace race (whether 30, 35, 40, 45, 50, or 60 points), and the ball is in his hands approximately 80% of the game. In Week 8 against Arizona, Burrow's pass play rate was 72.9%, and it has been close to 80% in other games as well. The Bengals are living by the sword and dying by the sword, putting the ball in Burrow's hand as much as possible rather than relying on a strong run game, despite the offensive line's improved performance in both run and pass game.

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Jonah Coleman

PositiveBreakout7:03

Led Broncos in both rushing and receiving with 41 rushing yards and a touchdown plus 63 receiving yards (15.8 average); breakout game signals the beginning of his takeover of the backfield as a three-down back, potentially transforming Denver's offensive identity toward a more balanced attack after early-season struggles.

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Jonathan Taylor

NegativeRole34:06

Kingsley Suamataia previously considered Jonathan Taylor as a potential landing spot for the Cincinnati Bengals to address their missing explosive piece out of the backfield. However, upon further reflection, Suamataia questions whether a premium running back matters for the Bengals given that the ball is in Joe Burrow's hands 80% of the game anyway. The Bengals' offensive philosophy prioritizes Burrow's volume over run game development, making the identity of the running back less critical to fantasy production.

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Justin Herbert

NegativeProjection56:27

Herbert threw an interception in all seven of the Chargers' games through Week 8, the only quarterback in the NFL with that dubious distinction. Kingsley Suamataia expressed being 'flabbergasted' at his performance, noting he has never looked this bad before and the offense has never looked this bad. The Chargers had their worst offensive performance of the season in Week 8 coming off a bye, and their second-worst before the bye, showing deterioration as the season progresses. They have gone 27 straight possessions without a touchdown since October 11th, are 0-4 in the red zone, and have at least one turnover in every game (17 total in 7 games, averaging over 2 per game).

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Kenneth Walker III

NegativeMatchup6:54

Felt like no one was going to slow down on the planet this season, but the Broncos' 5-2 odd-front defense with three down defensive linemen and two outside linebackers on the line of scrimmage successfully bottled him up early in the game, similar to how the Seattle Seahawks slowed him the week before.

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Kyler Murray

NegativeProjection17:06

Below 60% completion percentage for the second time this season (third game at or near 60%); 30% third-down conversion rate and 38.7% run success rate in Week 8 loss to Cardinals; performance has been inconsistent and not good enough, with the speaker waiting for the Kyler of five years ago to show up but doubting it will happen.

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Michael Penix Jr.

NegativeProjection50:09

Penix threw four interceptions against Tampa Bay in heavy rain, but Kingsley Suamataia emphasized that weather was not the primary culprit. Multiple picks were attributed to poor decision-making: the Anzalone interception was a coverage mistake, and the final interception on a switch verts route was particularly egregious—he had a receiver wide open on a divide route for a touchdown but instead threw to a DB staring at him over the top. Kingsley Suamataia noted massive week-to-week swings with Penix halfway through the season and questioned what he is as a player.

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Michael Wilson

PositiveRole21:43

Michael Wilson picked apart three different types of zone coverages for 61 yards on the Cardinals' final drive in the second half, forcing overtime after the Cowboys switched to conservative cover-four and cover-three looks (70% coverage rate in quarters 3-4 vs. 54.2% man coverage in first half). Kingsley Suamataia praised Wilson's technical soundness and ability to win in multiple ways, noting he accomplished this performance with broken ribs.

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PositiveProjection24:00

Kingsley Suamataia expressed strong conviction in Michael Wilson's pre-draft profile, highlighting his physical play, technical soundness, and multiple ways to win at the position. Suamataia called him 'an absolute dog' and 'a culture builder through and through,' indicating high regard for his work ethic and commitment despite playing through injury.

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PositiveRole27:31

Wilson was one of two guys leaned on very heavily in the Cardinals' culture-win game against Dallas; he exemplifies the type of player who puts his body on the line and will get every yard physically possible every single time he touches the ball.

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RJ Harvey

NegativeRole7:03

Characterized as more of a receiver than a runner in Denver's early-season backfield, suggesting limited rushing upside compared to Jonah Coleman, who was expected to take over as the primary three-down back.

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Trevor Lawrence

PositiveProjection54:51

Lawrence was 'absolutely dealing' in Jacksonville's dominant win over Indianapolis, posting three touchdowns and 210 yards on just 10 completions for a 153.3 passer rating. Kingsley Suamataia called this 'the best version of him that we have ever seen,' including his college days at Clemson, noting that he is both efficient and explosive—a rare combination. He demonstrated the ability to be efficient while still generating explosive plays.

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Trey McBride

PositiveRole27:31

McBride was part of the Cardinals' core group in their culture-win game against Dallas; he exemplifies the type of player who puts his body on the line and will get every yard physically possible every single time he touches the ball.

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Episode Transcript

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0:39Week 8 people, we had shootouts, we've got new division leaders, and we had a team win a game by double digits without completing a pass.
0:48And that may be enough to open things up for Bucky Irving.
0:51Man, I love this sport so much. This weekend had everything, you know, it had upsets, it had stuff that would make
0:59service academies blush, it had, you know, defensive performances, offensive performances, everything, everything.
1:03Special teams blunders and special teams heroics. I can't complain at all.
1:07Me neither. We've got to start with Broncos and Chiefs.
1:10Simply, if nothing else, but for the winning of the division probability that existed in this game.
1:15Brett, if the Broncos would have lost this game, they would have gone down to just a 24% chance to win this division.
1:23But with the win over the Chiefs, they're at 64%.
1:26A 40% swing? That is nuts. That's insane. I mean, that is back in it.
1:31That's more back in it than any team maybe has ever been back in it.
1:36Man, I get it. The Chiefs defense is a little bit banged up.
1:40And then, you know, there was whatever happened with Kingsley Suamataia and the benching for the second time, I guess.
1:46We still don't really know what was going on with that.
1:50But to me, it comes down to second and one from the one yard line.
1:55So second and goal from the one with an opportunity to win the game.
1:59And for whatever reason, this team, this coach refuses to sneak the ball.
2:03I understand Mahomes got hurt on it, you know, was it seven years ago now when he dislocated his kneecap?
2:10And I'm not saying you have to sneak it with Mahomes, but this is such a high success rate play.
2:16You could do it twice in a row. Almost guarantee yourself a touchdown.
2:20Even if he's not the one doing it. Bring in Justin Fields to sneak the ball.
2:25Bring in anybody. Dude, Kelsey can do it. Kelsey can do it.
2:29Didn't Kelsey, like, play a little quarterback in high school, right?
2:33It's not like he hasn't done it before. Just somebody, right?
2:36I instead, you know, second and goal from the one.
2:40They're in the gun running like a variation of that corndog play.
2:43You know, they ran in the Super Bowl a couple different times.
2:47And I get it. Like, it's been successful for them.
2:51But you know what's more successful overall? Just sneaking the ball.
2:54Like, you have an opportunity to win the game.
2:57I don't understand why they refuse to just take the path of least resistance to points.
3:02It's been an issue with the Chiefs forever. They always get cute in the low red zone because they just, I mean,
3:09in some years they couldn't punch it in. But you're from the one.
3:13If you can't get a yard, how can I take you seriously?
3:17Like, what are we doing? Yeah. I mean, I'm 100% with you.
3:21If you can't get a yard, you kind of don't deserve to win it.
3:26And the Chiefs could not get a yard. Didn't deserve to win the game in a handful of ways.
3:32Man, you talked about, okay, the defensive lines kind of beat up for this team.
3:37They're not as successful as they were at the beginning part of the season.
3:41And Chris Jones, 29 pass rush reps in this game.
3:44One quarterback pressure. You don't see that a lot.
3:47But honestly, I'd rather talk about the Broncos in this game than necessarily some of the Chiefs' failures.
3:53And I know it's a little bit of like all of this goes into it.
3:58But man, the way that the Broncos play defense and set up their defense, I feel like it's just been a nightmare back-to-back weeks for the Chiefs.
4:06Because you have two teams that are either talent-wise or structurally, or actually probably both for both of these teams, able to
4:14really slow down what was a running back in Kenneth Walker, which it felt like no one was going to slow down
4:21on the planet, let alone in this season of the NFL.
4:24The way that the Broncos and their odd front defense with three down defensive linemen, yet two outside linebackers that are basically
4:31right on the line of scrimmage, they just don't happen to have their hand down.
4:36They play this 5-2 front that still allows them to play technically in nickel, and it also technically allows them to play too high whenever they want.
4:45So you have this structural setup with the Broncos where you have the bodies on the line of scrimmage to defend the
4:52run and to defend Kenneth Walker in ways that we saw from the Seattle Seahawks the week before.
4:58And yet you also have that too-high look that's best when taking out the Chiefs' crossing routes, which they love to go to.
5:05Now they still had success on some of them, and there was a lot of yards after catch that did end up happening in this game.
5:13Shout out to Emmitt Johnson for that. Man, he is absolutely having a breakout through this first half of this season, especially in this game.
5:21But when I look at the Broncos and how they play defense, it is set up to stop this Chiefs team, and
5:29they really did look at that tape from week one, totally burned it, totally said, that is not us, that's not our
5:36identity, we're going to be better next time around, and they were.
5:39To me, it's a shout out to how this defense played, really being able to slow down everything that I felt like
5:47the Chiefs wanted to be able to do. You know, the key theme from that first matchup was missed tackles, right?
5:53They had a nearly 30% missed tackle rate. They had 28 missed tackles overall.
5:58They still didn't tackle amazing in this game, but 16 missed tackles and an almost 19% missed tackle rate.
6:04While not great, it's a lot better than historically bad.
6:07It's Walker. And he's bottled up early in this one.
6:10And also in the first matchup, you know, the Chiefs got a 45% pressure rate.
6:15They cut that down to 30%. Still roughly the same blitz percentage, but they were better at picking up those blitzes.
6:22They were better at handling the Chiefs pass rush.
6:25It's just the little stuff in the margins that really helped this team, you know, kind of get over that hump.
6:32This team wasn't that far away from being a legitimate AFC West and AFC contender.
6:36They just needed to, you know, play Broncos football, which is what we've seen them do the last month or so.
6:43They just didn't do it in week one. You know, it's amazing to see what happens when they actually tackle semi-sorta-kinda-almost average.
6:50You mean it's amazing what happens when you tackle in not a historically bad rate?
6:55Yeah, I think that's one way that you could put it for them.
6:59By the way, shout out Jonah Coleman. Jonah Coleman breakout game here.
7:03Led the team in both rushing and receiving. Had 41 rushing yards and a touchdown.
7:0863 receiving yards. 15.8 average there. A lot of that coming on one singular play.
7:13But still, you know, we count it. We count it here.
7:16And we knew it was coming, too. I mean, how many times did we talk about the first month of the season?
7:23They didn't have a running game. They didn't have anybody that could break a tackle.
7:28RJ Harvey was really more of a receiver than a runner.
7:32Like, we were waiting for Jonah Coleman to take over this backfield.
7:36And it's finally happening. I think they were, too.
7:39You know, like, it just felt as though all of their struggles with how they wanted to operate on offense.
7:45Because it felt like, you know, if they put too much on Bo Nix's plate, it felt like it didn't really work super well.
7:53But they really wanted to be a lot more balanced.
7:56And I think that they were forced to be at the beginning of the season.
8:01That's why you saw some of those frustrations with what we've talked about with Nix.
8:06But it always kind of felt like it was building towards this running back that they drafted this past April that they
8:13felt as though could be a three down back for them.
8:16And even the way that they talked about Jonah Coleman, it felt like that.
8:21So I do believe that the identity of this team changes with him now in the lineup.
8:26Now, I know it wasn't like the greatest statistical game that you've ever seen.
8:31But I think that this could really be a jumping off point for this offense, again, being a lot more balanced than
8:38I felt as though they were afforded to be at the beginning of the season.
8:43So it's a really, really interesting game here for the Broncos specifically, because you can really look at this game and Jonah
8:50Coleman being out there in the lineup and all of that and say to yourself and convince yourself that this is really
8:57where it begins to turn around for the Broncos.
9:00What a difference 30 seconds makes. The Chiefs moving the ball down the field, moving the ball down the field, missed the field goal.
9:07And on the very first place, Spaggs sends a whole bunch of heat and Bo Nix finds Coleman to get behind him.
9:14The Minnesota Vikings and the Detroit Lions are our next game here.
9:18Lions, big division win here. Before we get into what felt like a big time chess match between these two coaching staffs,
9:25just want to say prayers, love, thoughts, everything to Jack Campbell, him, his family, his teammates, everybody in that situation.
9:32Obviously, we all love this game, but this is something that's very serious that's going on with him and what we saw during that game.
9:40And so just wanted to make sure that we said that right off the top that breaking down this game, obviously something
9:47that we love to do and that's important, but that is much, much more important.
9:52So we wanted to make sure that we send our thoughts, love, prayers, everything out to that situation.
9:58But Detroit does get a huge win in the division here.
10:01And man, Brett, it felt like Drew Petsing, the offensive coordinator for the Detroit Lions, was absolutely in his bag to try
10:08to counter whatever Brian Flores is going to throw at him.
10:12And my goodness, Brian Flores did indeed throw the kitchen sink at him, but the Lions were up to the challenge and
10:19they end up coming out victorious in this game.
10:22Where do you want to start with this one?
10:25More of a Detroit angle or more of a Minnesota Vikings angle now that they are no longer an undefeated team?
10:31Kind of both. You know, Brian Flores' blitz rate in this game was 89.7%.
10:36And you and I had talked recently of, yeah, he's working his way up to 100.
10:41We're going to get there at some point this season.
10:44But you and I had talked like, okay, is his blitz rate correlated with what he thinks of the opposing quarterback?
10:51Because in recent history, he had actually blitzed Goff less because Jared Goff is very good against the blitz and maybe he
10:58wanted to just kind of play more coverage rather than pressure.
11:02And he just put the pedal to the metal.
11:04And I think we've kind of dispelled the rumor or the theory that his blitz rate is tied to what he thinks
11:12of the quarterback because we know he respects Jared Goff a lot.
11:15And he just wanted to test him over and over and over in this really test the entire offense and test Drew
11:22Petsing and just see how they would react. See if they could produce against this kind of pressure.
11:28And I think what I find most impressive is, you know, with defenses like this, you kind of play the run on the way to the quarterback.
11:37That's kind of been their mantra this year. We're going to blitz on early downs, get TFLs.
11:42We're going to blitz on late downs, get sacks.
11:45And the fact that Detroit still ran the ball this effectively into a damn near 90% blitz rate, that to me, hats off to Drew Petsing.
11:54Like that's obviously the players are executing. But if you can scheme your way into effective runs when you're throwing six, seven
12:01bodies in the backfield, that's a hell of a coaching job by him.
12:05I wonder if there were more blitzes in this game against Goff in particular because Flores maybe looked at the offensive line
12:12for Detroit and said, OK, they're starting a rookie at right tackle in Blake Miller.
12:17Cade Mays missed a lot of the start of the season due to a wrist injury.
12:22And now he was back out of center and he actually left this game due to an ankle injury, which I want
12:29to get to Drew Scruggs actually in a second.
12:32But I wonder if Flores was just like, hey, I'm going to be hyper aggressive in this one because I feel like
12:39the offensive line that the Lions are currently throwing out there is worth challenging.
12:44Now, I think that Petsing just did an unbelievable job going blow for blow with Flores.
12:49You know, there's a lot of times when with Flores, he just stacks the line of scrimmage and you just, you never
12:56know where the blitz is truly coming from. And I was watching Ben Solak break this down.
13:01I think it was last week or the week before that was really great when you have those double mugged looks and
13:08you have both of these linebackers, like they'll both start to play by blitzing.
13:13And then whichever one the center takes, they'll back up into coverage.
13:17And the one that the center doesn't take obviously will continue his way towards the quarterback.
13:22And so you look at those situations and I think that that's just all of this fear that Brian Flores has.
13:29But Petsing did such a great job just fighting that sort of fear and unknown by being aggressive straight at it because
13:36there were these times, Brett, where they'd play with multiple tight ends, but it wouldn't be just traditionally, okay, the tight ends,
13:43you know, attach to the line of scrimmage and then the other one's a wingback or even like the other one's a fullback.
13:50Sometimes you'd have both of the tight ends just in the backfield and they would run these plays where it almost looks
13:57like a trap block or a wham block. I know that second and 10 run that went for 12.
14:03I know the exact one you're talking about. It was a weird formation.
14:08And it was like kind of like an insert.
14:10That's the thing. It's like, it's like, it was these insert type of blocks where all of a sudden the defensive line
14:18of Flores were the ones who had to go, wait a second, where's the gap?
14:22Like, where's, where's my gap? Where's the A gap here?
14:26Because I thought it was here, but now it's over here.
14:29And now this guy's coming this way. So is the gap actually over here?
14:34And it was one of the first times that I truly watched an offensive coordinator just stare at Brian Flores straight in
14:41the eyes and said, I'm going to be even more aggressive than you.
14:45And you normally don't think that you can do that from a blocking concept because of how crazy creative Flores is.
14:52But shout out to the Lions. Shout out to Petsing because I felt like they matched that chaos and creativity with the chaos and creativity of their own.
15:01And it was very fruitful for them in this game.
15:04And it's the flip side of the coin of what we talked about early this season, right?
15:09Going back to week one, when we were looking at what Shanahan was doing with how they were moving around their fullbacks in the backfield on the fly.
15:18Yes. And creating these new gaps on the fly.
15:21And then we saw defenses responding with run blitzes.
15:24Because if you're going to try to create a new gap on the fly, well, we're going to throw bodies in the
15:31backfield and make you have to adjust at a faster pace than what you've practiced that run hitting.
15:37Well, now Petsing is flipping that around. Okay, I know you're blitzing.
15:41I have a pretty good idea of what the rush path is going to be.
15:46So we're going to use two guys that can create inserts on the fly.
15:50And you're going to have to adjust off us now.
15:53And it's just matching aggression with aggression, but the other way around.
15:57And it's awesome. Lions, 230 rushing yards. Just the fourth time that a team has rushed for over 200 yards against Brian Flores' Vikings defense.
16:05Lions also had a 25.6 explosive run rate versus the Vikings.
16:09Highest mark of the season, plus the highest versus the Vikings in the Brian Flores era.
16:14And then Juice Scruggs. I wanted to mention Juice Scruggs.
16:17So Cade Mays didn't play a ton in this game because he had that ankle injury when he went out in the second quarter.
16:25But my goodness, when Juice Scruggs came back in the game, and Juice Scruggs has been good so far this season, he comes back in the game.
16:34The success rate went from 23.8% to 57.4%. In the rush game, it went from 22.2% to 56.7%.
16:39And the total EPA went from negative 9.6% to positive 6.6%.
16:43So Juice Scruggs' on-off splits were incredible once he came back into the game.
16:47And he's been rolling, I feel like, through the first part of this season.
16:52So, man, I think that he deserved a shout-out right there.
16:55Really quickly, what did you think of the Amon Ross St.
16:59Brown CFL-looking play? What did you think of that?
17:02Because I actually think, you know what, it works to perfection.
17:05And I kind of give a hat tip to that.
17:09But my goodness, if the throw is not perfect.
17:12It's risky. That play stinks. And to Goff's credit, man, it was perfect.
17:16But a lot of risk in that play. I think the ingenuity of it is, you know, it's technically a run because the throw is backwards.
17:24But it functions as a screen. And normally, when you have a, you know, whether it's a swing screen, something like that,
17:31the ball carrier isn't at that kind of speed when they're catching the ball.
17:36And so, it changes up kind of the usual cadence of what a defense is used to, right?
17:42When they're stacking on a block, peaking, shedding. If it's hitting faster because Amon Ross running at full speed rather than running
17:49at kind of half speed and then taking off.
17:51It's a really interesting wrinkle. It worked, kind of.
17:54I mean, it did work. It did work. Right.
17:57Not to the degree that they hoped, but still kind of sort of worked.
18:02I'm interested to see if they iterate on it even more because the idea itself is really cool.
18:08Look at this formation. They've got Amon Ross St.
18:10Brown 20 yards back of the line of scrimmage.
18:13They're going to throw it to him. A running start.
18:17It's like arena football. And it's going to work.
18:19What a play. First down for the Lions. Thoughts on Kyler.
18:23Not just in this game, but just overall this season.
18:26Because it's another game where he has a below 60% completion percentage, which is the second time it's been below 60.
18:33And then he had another game where it was right at 60.
18:37Third down conversion percentage was 30%. Run success rate for this team was 38.7.
18:41It just continues to feel very inconsistent. And you never feel super confident about it.
18:46Your thoughts overall about Kyler in this game? The Vikings have scored 16 or fewer points in four of their last six games.
18:54And in the other two, they only scored 23.
18:56Well, only scored 23. It's not like terrible, but it's not amazing either.
19:01But if your high points in the last month and a half of football are 23 points and 66% of your games
19:08in the last month and a half, you're scoring 16 or less.
19:12That's not good. And the only reason they were getting away with it is because their defense was allowing 10.4 points per
19:19game in the five games leading up to this.
19:22This one, all of a sudden you allow 19 points and you just can't win.
19:26If you're looking at how Kyler has performed this year, it hasn't been good enough.
19:31I think he would acknowledge that. KOC kind of seemed to acknowledge that postgame in his sound as well.
19:37I'm just waiting for the Kyler of five years ago to show up and it's just not happening.
19:43And at this point, I'm wondering if it ever will.
19:46Yeah, I'm with you. His numbers aren't bad. Because I kind of tried to look up like design rollouts, play action things.
19:53Like his numbers aren't bad when he's doing these things.
19:57It's just not as confident as we've seen Kyler be in the past.
20:01And I think that just leads to a lot of the inconsistencies.
20:05And until they get better play from the offense overall, but obviously it runs through Kyler.
20:10It's going to be hard to really believe in this team for as elite as the defense is.
20:16The Arizona Cardinals took down the Dallas Cowboys because they always do.
20:19They are 5-0 now in AT&T Stadium. So good on them for keeping that perfect record.
20:25And good on them for upsetting the Cowboys as my 10 confidence pick once again in our week 8 pick'em.
20:31Unbelievable. I just cannot believe that I continue to go for the Cowboys as my 10 confidence game.
20:37It's your own fault, man. It is my own fault.
20:40It is my own fault. But you know what?
20:43You know what, Brett? You know what? The Cardinals had a 2% chance to win the game with 4 minutes and 13 seconds left in the game.
20:522% is not 2% against the Cowboys. I'm going to go to bed tonight.
20:56I'm going to tuck myself in and I'm just going to go, hmm, the process was right.
21:02As I think about losing another 10 points when we get to the week 9 pick'em in a couple of days.
21:08Process over results on your way to Cancun in January.
21:12Yeah. I'll take another Mai Tai, please. Okay, where do you want to start this game here with the Cardinals' overtime win over the Dallas Cowboys?
21:20I mean, I like Christian Parker. Well, liked Christian Parker.
21:23Everybody always spoke very highly of him as Vic Fangio's top lieutenant.
21:27It's not working. It's not working. And you can say it's a talent issue, right?
21:32And they have some deficiencies at key positions. Like, I get that.
21:36But there are teams around the NFL that I think have less talent than them that just play better sound defense than them.
21:43And at some point, that's on the coaches. It hasn't worked all year.
21:47We are halfway through the season now. It hasn't really gotten better.
21:51I don't think it will get better at this point.
21:54Like, maybe they can make a splash trade to get more talent.
21:58But is that really going to fix their underlying issues?
22:01I'm not sure it will. At this point, I'm not sure if he's going to be the DC in 2027.
22:08Like, I think mediocrity would be acceptable in the first year of a new DC.
22:13This isn't even that. This is just objectively horrible.
22:16They just got too conservative once they got up on the scoreboard.
22:20And I feel like so many teams get burned with this all the time.
22:24But if you look at the first and second quarter splits, which, you know, that, that, or sorry, the first and second half splits, excuse me.
22:32That first half is obviously Jacoby Brissett. And then there's somebody Jacoby Brissett in the third quarter as well before Gardner Minshew comes in.
22:40And basically, he's just like, you know, he's basically sunshine.
22:43And remember the Titans? Where he's just, where he's just like, he's just strapping up the helmet.
22:49And he's like, nah, it doesn't matter. We're letting it fly.
22:52But in the first half, when you look at the Cowboys defense, Brett, they played so much more aggressive.
22:58They played 50% cover one in the first two quarters.
23:0254.2% man coverage rate. They had less than three average separation when the ball was getting to the target of the receivers.
23:09And they had a 5.3 average cushion before the snap.
23:12You get to quarter three and four. Okay, now all of a sudden, they went from 54.2% man coverage rate to 20% man coverage rate.
23:20They played 70% cover four, cover six, cover three.
23:23But it was mostly quarters, cover four stuff. Again, you're up on the scoreboard.
23:27So you're playing further back. Their average separation when the ball got to its target, went in zone in the second half, was 5.6.
23:35So it went from below 3.0 to 5.6. And the average cushion went from 5.3 to 5.7.
23:41It's too much space. It's too much space. It's too conservative.
23:44Now, I know you're up on the scoreboard and you're just trying to not prevent big plays.
23:50But guess what? Then they got big plays. You invited the big plays.
23:54And all of that invited the Michael Wilson legacy drive.
23:57And I love Michael Wilson pre-draft. I mean, he just wants to win every single rep, man.
24:02He plays so physically. He's so technically sound. And there are just so many different ways where he can win.
24:09And I mentioned all those different types of zone coverages that he faced in the second half.
24:14On that last drive, he picked apart three different types of defenses, types of coverages for 61 yards.
24:20And what should have been the go-ahead touchdown ended up being the forced overtime type of a touchdown.
24:26All respect to the Arizona Cardinals and letting it loose there in the second half.
24:31It's not good enough for the Cowboys. And unfortunately, there have been many, many weeks already, eight weeks through the season, where
24:38it has not been good enough for the Cowboys.
24:41This season, to this point, Brett, massive disappointment for Dallas.
24:44And I don't think there's any other way to say it.
24:48Two notes. Michael Wilson did all that with broken ribs, by the way.
24:52Yeah. Yeah. Which is incredible. And he said, hey, they're paying me a lot of money.
24:57They're going to get their money's worth. Absolute dog.
25:00I love him so much. He's a culture builder through and through.
25:04Second note. Dallas had never lost a home game.
25:07In Cowboys history, it's a long time, with a 14-plus point lead in the fourth quarter.
25:12They were 202-0-1, including playoffs, before this week. First time I've ever done it.
25:16That in itself, I don't know if that's individually a fireable offense, but it does get added to all of the other
25:23noise that's already been happening this season. Hey, this was supposed to be a championship type year.
25:29There was a bunch of hype. Go win the division.
25:32NFC East is super winnable this year. And they've just fallen flat on their face.
25:37And now a lot of people have added to that chorus of, is everybody gone after 2026?
25:42Because this is just kind of embarrassing at this point.
25:45You have Gardner Minshew coming in. Which actually, now that I mention it, Gardner Minshew in games where he's not the starter,
25:53but he does play, might be a top five quarterback of all time.
25:57Our research team, really, when I say that, it's Callie.
26:00Callie pulled these numbers for us. Since 2019, in games where the quarterback does not start, but does play.
26:06Gardner Minshew, 125 completions, most in the NFL. Over 1,300 yards just in those games where he's coming in mid-game in relief.
26:13Most in the NFL. Eight passing touchdowns, second most in the NFL.
26:1765 passing first downs, second most. Weirdly, second to Mitch Trubisky in both categories.
26:21And 16 completions of 20 plus yards, most in the NFL.
26:25When he gets in the game, if it's just him coming in as a backup, and he has no pressure, no care
26:32in the world, he's just slinging it, that's the best version of Gardner Minshew.
26:37And unfortunately, when your defense is already bad and facing that version of Gardner Minshew, you are liable to lose in historic Cowboys fashion.
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27:05I did have one of the more difficult questions, though.
27:08He sits next to me and he sees I'm on my computer and he goes, big sports fan.
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27:31Michael Floor's got to be pumped about this game specifically.
27:34Not just because it's a win, but because this is a culture win.
27:38You look at two guys who you leaned on very heavily in this game.
27:43It's Tyler Algier and it's Michael Wilson. And obviously, like, Trey McBride is in there as well.
27:48I mean, you talk about guys who put their body on the line, will get you every yard physically possible every single time they touch the ball.
27:57I mean, this is a culture type of win.
28:00It's on the way and it is good. Redemption for Ryland.
28:03Comeback for the Cardinals. A shocking win in Dallas.
28:06The Cincinnati Bengals out-dueled, and I do mean out-dueled, the Tennessee Titans in their overtime victory, 43-36.
28:12Brett, in a game that contained over 750 passing yards between the two quarterbacks of Joe Burrow and Cam Ward.
28:18Thoughts on this game? The entertaining, thrilling game that it was?
28:22And where do you want to start with this one?
28:25I mean, one of the most impressive Burrow games we've seen in a while, even with three interceptions.
28:31Just the ability for him to keep firing and keep firing at that kind of level.
28:36I mean, you know, darn near 80% completions. Like, they get six total touchdowns in this game.
28:41Almost half a thousand yards in one game. Like, he is truly unbelievable.
28:46He is the kind of quarterback that comes around a franchise maybe once in the history of a franchise.
28:52And the Bengals have had some good quarterbacks, by the way.
28:55But Burrow is just, he's beyond rare. And at the same time, on the other side, you know, Cam Ward, who you
29:02and I have, I think, justifiably criticized this season, I think that might have been the best game of his career as well.
29:10And him keeping up with, you know, Burrow at the height of his powers, playing like that.
29:15Like, yes, obviously three interceptions. But, you know, the amount of points that Burrow put on the board, the amount of throws
29:22deep down the field into tight windows. Like, he was just firing and firing and firing.
29:27And for Ward to keep up with him, especially in the second half, that to me was the most encouraging performance of his young career.
29:35Even though they lost, like, that to me is secondary.
29:39Like, Cam Ward kept up with Joe Burrow. That's the headline.
29:42If you're just looking at third quarter and fourth quarter, well, headline for Titans, I should say.
29:48For the Bengals fans, yes, you won. You're the headline.
29:51But for everybody else, Cam Ward. Second half, 11 of 15, 132.
29:55Two touchdowns, 139.4 passer rating, 8.8 yards per attempt.
29:58He was brilliant in the second half. In particular, if you're looking at man coverage and mid-range, like he was an assassin
30:05in mid-range in this game, and when the Bengals played man coverage, he was just sensational.
30:1011 of 17 for a buck 58, two of those touchdowns, one of those on a slot fade in the red zone
30:17that was just perfectly thrown, 133.9 passer rating against man, and a whopping 9.3 yards per attempt.
30:22That was what we've been waiting for, is the decisiveness, him using his arm strength.
30:27And really, he is a gifted thrower. We saw that at Miami.
30:31It's just he felt afraid to make a mistake for the first part of this season.
30:36And I think once they traded Jeff Simmons, and we were kind of in, okay, the season's not going the way that
30:43we want mode here, fire sale mode, if you want to call it that.
30:48I feel like this pressure kind of lifted off his shoulders.
30:51He was like, what do I have to lose?
30:54We're already a bad team. Let's just let it rip.
30:58And he finally played like Miami Cam Ward that let it rip and didn't worry about making mistakes.
31:03And shocker, it was the best game of his career, in my opinion.
31:08And Brett, I think I agree with you completely.
31:10And I think there's a reason for this type of Cam Ward game, even beyond just him maybe feeling as though a
31:17weight is sort of off of his shoulders. They also played no huddle quite a bit in this game.
31:2441.4% no huddle in this game. 29 total plays.
31:27That's the highest of any team so far this season.
31:30They also had an 8.5 yards per play average when going no huddle.
31:34And the NFL average is 5.3. And I think that goes into a little bit of sort of what you talked about
31:41with college version of Cam Ward, which was a lot more free.
31:45And when you're playing no huddle, obviously there are still things that you have to decipher and read.
31:51And you're reading the defenses and you're seeing things pre-snap as post-snap.
31:55Like all that stuff exists. But everything is so much more sped up that you almost, you don't have time to overthink.
32:02Yeah. You can't. No, you can't. So you're just playing off of vibes and instincts.
32:06And if you are asking me who are some of the best quarterbacks in the NFL at playing off of vibe and
32:13instincts, Cam, for all of his struggles, would probably be one of the first names that I give you.
32:20And I think that script manifested here. Now, the danger of doing that all the time, because people would be like, well,
32:27why don't we just do that all the time?
32:30Well, the danger is if you're going no huddle all the time, like a lot of college teams sort of run into this.
32:37Some of the fastest college teams around the country.
32:40If you want to play fast, but you're bad.
32:43You're just speed running to three and out. You're just speed running three and outs and your defense is gassed the entire game.
32:50So you have to be able to sustain it.
32:53That's why you look at a lot of these teams that just feel like it's just like an avalanche that you just
33:00cannot handle because they're just moving the ball so quickly and they're getting up to the line or snapping the ball and there's nothing defenses could do.
33:09When it works great, it's an onslaught and it's amazing to watch.
33:13But when it doesn't, that really puts your defense in a bind.
33:17And a lot of NFL coaches, especially defensive head coaches, do not want that.
33:21So there's a reason why, like with Robert Sala as the head coach, why he would be sort of slow to accept that.
33:28But the reason why Cam Ward was afforded that game plan is because Burrow's on the other side.
33:34And you know that basically every single week, whether it's a race to 30, whether it's a race to 35, 40, 45,
33:4150, 60, whatever it is, Joe Burrow's going to be up to the task.
33:46So there is no foot on the gas pedal that is too fast because he will be able to match you no matter what you do.
33:54And that sort of gets me back to a little bit of a philosophical question here.
33:59When I look at the Bengals, I think that a major threat out of the backfield sort of feels like the last,
34:06I don't know, like missing explosive piece of this offense.
34:10So like I've talked about like Jonathan Taylor maybe be in a landing spot here in Cincinnati.
34:15But in reality, Brett, the more I think about it, the more I'm just like, does it really matter?
34:21Because isn't the ball better in Joe Burrow's hand 80% of the game anyways?
34:26So who cares who you have at running back?
34:29Now, of course, the games where you don't run it well and they lose, it's an easy thing to point to and
34:36say, man, I wish they had a better run game.
34:39But I kind of look at the Bengals this year, and they're very much living by the sword, dying by the sword,
34:46and just saying we're going to put the ball in Joe Burrow's hand as much as we possibly can.
34:52Like it was 72.9% in this game, and it's been close to 80% in other games as well.
34:58Is that just the best strategy for them? In years past, I would have said they have to run the ball more.
35:05But because of how good the Bengals offensive line has played this year, I mean, really, they've been good, you know, both
35:12in the run game and the pass game. I just think that Chase Brown has been kind of disappointing as far as,
35:19you know, capitalizing on the room that this offensive line has given him.
35:23But, you know, focusing on them as a pass protection unit, Amarius Mims is playing like arguably the best right tackle in football this year.
35:31He's got a bunch of big-time pelts on the wall so far.
35:35And, you know, if this offensive line is playing like that as a pass protection unit, you can kind of get away
35:42with throwing that much just because Joe is not going to get hit as much behind this line as he would have
35:49in years past with former Bengals lines that were just awful, right?
35:53So I think they finally built the offensive infrastructure that really can maximize what Joe always wanted to be, which is somebody
36:00that is throwing 35-plus times in a game, not because they have to, but because they want to.
36:06And it's like the, you know, the analytics dream scenario of like, hey, you know, pass game, go burr.
36:12Like, it's higher EPA every time you drop back.
36:15Let's just do it all the time. And every reason why you wouldn't want to do that might not really apply to
36:22the Bengals because they have the quarterback and they have the receivers and they have the offensive line.
36:28Like, they are what the analytics models thinks that the modern offense should be as far as early down pass rate and
36:35overall run pass splits and everything like that. And while you and I say, yeah, but you do want to run the
36:42ball and have more balance and take hits off the quarterback and all that kind of stuff, if you're built exactly like
36:49the Bengals are, you can kind of do what every analytics nerd says you should do and throw this much.
36:56And it's for a good reason, not a bad reason.
36:59Six touchdown of the day for Joe Burrow. And the Bengals strike first in overtime.
37:04Buffalo and Baltimore, the next game that we want to hit here.
37:08Look, Lamar plays the full game. I think this is a different story.
37:12It's one of the games of the week. But Lamar gets hurt in the first pass.
37:17Now he's on IR. Snoop Huntley gets hurt. I mean, it's just a nightmare season for the Ravens, it feels like, to start of the year.
37:25Shout out to Josh Allen, who passed Jim Kelly for the most touchdowns in Bill's history in this game.
37:31Bill's completion of eight different receivers, which I think is a worthwhile talking point here because I think a lot of people
37:38have at points complained about the Bills not having a superstar go-to wide receiver one.
37:43But when you have an offense that is Josh Allen and friends, it feels like, I think maybe it's better the more
37:50diverse you are, certainly when it looks like it did this week.
37:54So obviously everything's rolling for the Buffalo Bills. Played very, very well in this game.
37:59Ravens, no Lamar. It's tough, Brent. To me, my Ravens takeaway here, which is different than my Bills takeaway, my Bills takeaway is like, yeah, they're still great.
38:08My Ravens takeaway is this solidified Venga you want if you're Rookie of the Year.
38:13In just one game. My man, my man. He's like three quarterbacks.
38:17This is what happens when he doesn't play, Trevor.
38:20Disaster. Absolute disaster. Hey, Venga's an incredible player. Lamar's injuries I know are very frustrating for Ravens fans, certainly this year with him missing time.
38:28And now, I mean, he might be out for the year.
38:31So it's hard to really have a solidified Ravens take of what they're going to be moving forward just because the team
38:38is not really built to win without Lamar. And we highlighted that even when it was Tyler Huntley.
38:44When it was Tyler Huntley versus Lamar, how Huntley has one of the lowest air yards per attempt averages in the NFL.
38:51Lamar has one of the highest. And so it's just a completely different offense.
38:56So it's just really unfortunate what could have been for this Raven season that it's not going to be anymore.
39:02But the Buffalo Bills, we mentioned how good they have looked this season, how good they looked in this game.
39:09Bills blitzed on 64.5% of the dropbacks, their highest blitz rate since 2021.
39:13So Jim Leonard's out here in his bag. 11 pressures and a season high.
39:177 quick pressures in this game as well. And 11 different Bills players generated at least one pressure with 8 of them getting at least 2 pressures.
39:26You'll love to see it. Diversity on offense, diversity on defense.
39:29Bills feel like a wagon. Feel like a wagon.
39:32Anything else in this game before we move on?
39:35I mean, you mentioned Tyler Huntley, low air yards per attempt.
39:39He might be out with a toe as well.
39:42This could be the Joe Fagnano show for a while.
39:45So, I mean, at least we'll see what he's got, I guess.
39:49That's not what the Ravens fans wanted this season.
39:52There's no scenario where those are the words that they wanted to hear in week 8 of this season.
39:58Injuries, worst part of the game. Las Vegas Raiders and the New York Jets.
40:02A shootout, as everyone, of course, predicted. An absolute barn burner here in this game.
40:07Where do you want to start? Do you want to start with the Raiders or the Jets?
40:13Dude, Geno Smith had a, speaking of air yards per attempt, his air yards per attempt in this game was over 16 yards.
40:20He was just throwing it way down the field.
40:23Every opportunity he got. Speaking of A.D. Mitchell. A.D.
40:26Mitchell. A.D. Mitchell. Never wrong. Just early. Just early, baby.
40:29Just early. Very, very early. Yeah, that sauce trade where they gave up A.D.
40:34Mitchell for nothing as like a side throw in for the sauce trade is turning out to be a nightmare for the Colts.
40:41Because A.D. Mitchell, when he's been on the field, has been impactful for the Jets.
40:46But back to Geno Smith. Again, average air yards per attempt over 16 yards is utterly insane.
40:51And to still have a CPOE north of, you know, 7 plus percent on the day.
40:5662.5% raw completion doesn't seem that crazy. But when you factor in the air yards per attempt, like every single ball was a trick shot down the field.
41:05Just an outrageous stat line by Geno. Kind of vintage Geno, I would say.
41:10You know, Braylon Allen was beating them up early.
41:13Like, you know, 121 rushing yards and 6.7 yards per carry just in the first half.
41:18Like, all of this sounds pro-Jets even though they lost the game.
41:22But I'm trying to set the stage for, you know, the onslaught that Vegas weathered here to then come back in this game.
41:29And the interesting part about it was they did it without Ashton Gentry.
41:33On purpose, by the way. Yeah, on purpose. He said he was not going to get carries.
41:39Or he said that he was told he was not going to get carries before this game.
41:44I'm assuming it's some sort of disciplinary action for him.
41:48Kind of trash-talking publicly about the Jets saying that they didn't want to tackle.
41:52And I think Clint Kubiak was like, Hey man, let's not give bulletin board material to the other team.
41:58So we're going to give Mike Washington 25 touches in this game.
42:02And you get five. And I think message received to Ashton Gentry.
42:06Yeah, specifically first and second down. Mike Washington had 24 carries on first and second down.
42:11Ashton Gentry had one. Even if there's a reason for it that could be a very short-term thing, I just don't love
42:18that that's a thing that we're doing with Ashton Gentry here.
42:22That's not ideal. Speaking of the Raiders though, in this game, they played with two or more tight ends 81.7% of the time.
42:29And they're also the only team who, if you combine 11 and 10 personnel, like a lot of teams are like basing out of 11 personnel.
42:37So if you combine 11 personnel and 10 personnel, basically taking tight ends off the field, they're the only team that hasn't
42:44recorded at least 100 snaps in like 11 or 10 personnel.
42:48Brett, they're also the only team that hasn't recorded at least 75 snaps.
42:52So like, they're not even close. They're basically just...
42:55Halfway through the year. They're just in heavy personnel, which I love.
42:59Because they're looking at this roster and they're saying, this is who we are.
43:03We're not going to conform to, you know, some league trends of like going more wide and having three wide receivers.
43:10We don't have three wide receivers. We don't have three wide receivers we trust.
43:15But we have two tight ends. So guess what we're going to do?
43:19We're going to play to our strengths. Love to see it.
43:22I just love to see it from them. Aaron Glenn, man, not looking good, man.
43:27I mean, it just... Unfortunately, it always seems like something.
43:30Aaron Glenn, four and nine in one score games now over the last two years to the Jets head coach.
43:37And if it's a shootout, the defense lets them down.
43:40If neither team scores more than 20 and they lose, obviously the offense lets them down.
43:45It's just, it's always something that goes along. Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
43:50From the jaws of victory. The Cleveland Browns to the Pittsburgh Steelers.
43:54Steelers picking up another dub here. Where do you want to start with this preview, Brad?
43:59Eight sacks. It's just incredible. This Steelers pass rush was all over Cleveland today.
44:04The last time they had this many sacks in a game, January 3rd, 2022.
44:08So the playoffs of the 2021 season. So five seasons ago, they had nine sacks also against the Browns.
44:14And I want to be very clear here because I think in some ways pressure can be an offensive line stat, but sacks can be a quarterback stat.
44:23You know, the offensive line will get blamed for the Steelers, you know, giving up or getting eight sacks in this game.
44:30But I went back and I watched all of those sacks.
44:34That was really more on Deshaun Watson than the offensive line.
44:37He was awful. Like just truly awful. Leaving his offensive line out to dry.
44:42There were throws, like easily makeable throws that a quarterback making a quarter billion dollars should be able to make.
44:48We're talking like a boundary hole shot against cover two.
44:52Not a far hatch hole shot. Like to the closer side of your field, a hole shot against cover two that is wide open.
44:59But Deshaun, for whatever reason, and this might be something that the Steelers have picked up on, when he has a zone
45:06defender looking at him, like just looking at him, he freezes.
45:10He just won't throw the ball because he doesn't want to throw a pick.
45:14But even if that zone defender is not in position to make a play on the ball, he will just freeze.
45:21And beyond that, I mean, his footwork was just terrible in this game.
45:25There was another sack he had where, for whatever reason, so he's in the gun, he does a one-step drop.
45:32And so it's like a quick game drop, but the routes haven't actually developed down the field.
45:37You're supposed to sink your feet to the actual route concept.
45:41Like your footwork and the route concept are supposed to be synced up to the point where you hit the top of
45:48your drop, and then you deliver the ball. But if you're doing quick game footwork, but the routes are developing as if
45:55it's going to be three-step or five-step, the routes aren't there, so you're just sitting still in the pocket.
46:01And when he sits still in the pocket because he's out of rhythm, because he's not throwing off of rhythm, well, then he just freezes again.
46:09And I want to be careful of the words that I choose here.
46:14To me, the Browns are probably a playoff team that doesn't have a playoff quarterback.
46:18And I don't know exactly what they're going to do this offseason because they've won enough games where they might be incentivized
46:26to try to run this back again. After watching today's film and how much damage he single-handedly did to this team, I'm
46:33questioning if he should even be the starter going forward.
46:36Because say what you want out of Shudra Sanders, he's not just going to stare at a zone defender and freeze and take eight sacks in a game.
46:45He's at least going to try to do something.
46:48He's going to try to throw the ball down the field.
46:51He's going to try to escape. He's not going to be a deer in a headlight for four straight quarters like Deshaun was in this game.
47:00Like, that was awful. It was unplayable. It was untenable.
47:03You cannot be making a quarter billion dollars and look like that.
47:07You just can't. So, I understand the temptation to try to run this back and keep it going.
47:12That was bad football. They cannot do this again.
47:15On the Steelers' side of things, that defensive line feels like it's playing as good as any defensive line in the NFL, to be honest with you.
47:2430% blitz rate and he had a 42% pressure rate.
47:27Only 5.4 missed tackle percentage. 33% run stuff rate at the line of scrimmage.
47:32I mean, run defense, pass rush. I think that this is becoming one of the better front sevens in the NFL.
47:39And I think that they're really cooking. And it complements the offense really well.
47:43We talk about complementary football all the time. I actually think that the Steelers are playing some really, really good complementary football.
47:50Because even when it's not perfect, like Aaron Rodgers said after the game, they can still end up winning football games because it's complementary there.
47:58Football's back. Hey, it's Drew Franklin from NFL Cover Zero.
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48:11When you meet people and you say your job's a sports announcer, it's always interesting to see what the first thing they say is.
48:19I did have one of the more difficult questions, though.
48:22He sits next to me and he sees I'm on my computer and he goes, big sports fan.
48:28And I was like, yeah, actually. And he goes, what are you thinking about my Jaguars this year?
48:34I realized, like, no one's ever asked me that question ever about anything.
48:38And I was like, Duval. Listen to NFL Cover Zero on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
48:45The Tampa Bay Buccaneers and the Atlanta Falcons, the Buccaneers, first team since 1974 to complete zero.
48:50Count them. Zero. Passes in a football game and still get a win.
48:54Brett, this is very therapeutic for me because when I was at the University of Florida, they lost a game to Georgia
49:02Southern at Florida in which Georgia Southern, shout out Jared McKinnon, completed zero passes.
49:06And now the team that I grew up rooting for gets a win in the NFL by completing zero passes.
49:13Full circle moment for me. But this one was obviously played in not ideal weather conditions.
49:18We saw that everywhere. But did you have a main takeaway in the rain here from this game?
49:23I mean, we thought last week and the run rate they had last week was going to be their magnum opus this year.
49:31Little did we know. It was an appetizer. It was an appetizer.
49:35That's what it was. I don't think it would have been possible to play a game like this, even in the weather that existed.
49:42And again, you're a Florida guy. You know when the rain comes down.
49:47You can't function. When the rain is coming down that heavy.
49:50Like they were mopping the field in the middle of the game, right?
49:54It was that kind of weather. And yet they still would not have been able to win a game in that style.
50:01Not completing a single pass. Running as well as they did.
50:05You have two running backs with 25 plus carries in this game.
50:09They would not have been able to win that way if Michael Penix did not throw four interceptions.
50:15Right? Baker Mayfield didn't have a completion and still had a better passer rating.
50:19That's the kind of performance we're talking about. Which is always very funny.
50:23But yes. Hilarious stat. Might be the stat of the week to me.
50:27And I know the easy way to hand wave it away is, well, yeah, weather.
50:32Of course he threw four picks. No, no, no, no, no, no.
50:36If you go back and you watch those picks, those were not weather related.
50:41Like maybe one of them. Yeah. Maybe. But a couple of them were bad.
50:45A couple of them were really bad. Like the Anzalone one, he just got got.
50:50His back was turned on playing. Which one? Which one?
50:53You got to be more specific. The first one.
50:56The first one. Right? That one he just got got.
50:59Kind of unfortunate. There was like an arm punt on a fourth down.
51:04Which in a better weather game, it would have been a field goal anyway.
51:08But they went for it because of the weather.
51:11And it was arm. Okay. Whatever. Fine. The last one.
51:14I want to highlight that one. It's switch verts.
51:17You're throwing the rail. The DB is staring at you.
51:20Like he is capped over the top of the route.
51:23Staring at you. Daring you to throw it. Meanwhile, you have a receiver on the divide route.
51:29Wide open for a touchdown. And you don't just turn your head 15 degrees to the left.
51:34That's on Michael Penix. The rain didn't make him throw that ball.
51:38He threw that ball. And threw a really, really bad interception.
51:42So it's not just weather. It's also Penix making bad decisions.
51:45And I don't know what he is. We're halfway through the year.
51:49And we just get these massive swings week to week with him.
51:53Yeah. And I just think it's more NFC South shenanigans.
51:56To be honest with you. Because for a couple of weeks.
52:00The Falcons looked by far the best team in the division.
52:03And then, yeah. The rain was an issue. But the Falcons had 7 or more defenders in the box.
52:0990.3% of the time. 47 out of 52 carries.
52:12When Irving or Gainwell was getting the ball. Yet they still had 10 explosive runs of 10 yards or more.
52:19They had negative 0.4 yards before contact per carry.
52:22And yet 347 yards after contact in this game.
52:25And 119 yards after missed tackles. I mean, this was just a bad performance for Atlanta.
52:30All around. Basically, outside of the Jesse Bates superhuman fumble at the goal line with Bucky Irving.
52:35There was nothing else that went well for the Atlanta Falcons in this game.
52:40And I was also selling the Buccaneers win short when it came to the history books.
52:45Because the 2026 Tampa Bay Buccaneers are the first team to win a game by double digits without completing a pass.
52:52Since the 1945 Steelers to beat the Chicago Cardinals by a score of 23-0 in week 8 of 1945.
52:58Everybody remembers that game. Everybody remembers where they were when that game happened.
53:02And you're going to remember this one too. The Indianapolis Colts and the Jacksonville Jaguars.
53:07About as competitive as you figured that it would be between one team that's unbelievably on a roll with Super Bowl aspirations.
53:14And might be in the driver's seat, to be honest with you, as the number one team in the NFL.
53:20Versus a team that could not be in more of a free fall here with the Indianapolis Colts.
53:26Who have already made what seems to be wholesale changes on their roster.
53:30And Brett, after this game, I have to think that some more is coming.
53:35What's the big takeaway here? Is it more of a Colts takeaway or a Jags takeaway?
53:40I could do Muay Thai against a gorilla and it would be more competitive than this game.
53:45Like, good God. This was bad. Incredible imagery. It was bad from the start.
53:50I mean, it was 21-0 and then they got a pick six.
53:54It's just horrible. And I'm not saying anything that Colts fans haven't already expressed in way more colorful language than I have.
54:01But this team has given up. They've flat out given up.
54:04You know, the fire sales started happening. The GM has been fired.
54:08They know where the season's going. I think even the coaching staff kind of sees where this is going.
54:14And everybody just gave up. And the Jags are already a great team to begin with.
54:19But if you are going into the game seemingly as dejected as the Colts were as an organization against arguably a juggernaut
54:27in Jacksonville, it's going to look like that. Also, side note, I do have a Jags note for this beyond just, wow, they're a good team.
54:35Those rivalry uniforms. Oh, so sick. We need to talk about those becoming like a mainstay.
54:40Dude, the Jags old school, the Jags like creative uniforms and then throwback uniforms are just a thing of beauty.
54:47Yes. Yes. It's beautiful. Beautiful stuff. Trevor Lawrence is also incredible in this game.
54:51I mean, three touchdowns, 210 yards, 153.3 pass rating on just 10 completions.
54:55I mean, it's one thing to be efficient. It's another thing to be explosive and efficient.
55:00Trevor Lawrence is absolutely dealing right now. This is the best version of him that we have ever seen.
55:06And that includes going back to his best when we saw him in college football at Clemson.
55:12The Colts season is completely over. We know that.
55:15Shane Steichen not putting Anthony Richardson in the game sooner basically shows me that like he knows that he is probably not
55:22going to be here very much longer. And he's like, nope, I'm going down on my sword.
55:27I don't care. I picked Daniel Jones. He's my starting quarterback.
55:31We're going to do it. And I know they put in Rachel Richardson at like the very end of the game, but
55:38there was ample runway for Richardson to get back to get into this game at a reasonable time.
55:44If you were thinking anywhere towards developing what might be a next option for you, a quarterback.
55:49And he just doesn't seem to be concerned with it because he continues to throw Jones out there and it continues to not look good.
55:57I mean, Jones had a 2.59 time to throw in this game.
56:01And yet the success rate was still a 32.4.
56:04You're getting rid of the ball almost as quick as you possibly can in a failing effort and you are not changing what you're doing.
56:12So it just feels like the whole Colts operation right now is dead men walking.
56:17The Los Angeles Chargers and the Los Angeles Rams.
56:20Yeah, they're doing so much better over there. They kind of have the same conversation, yeah, with the Chargers who, I mean,
56:27it's another win for the Rams here. Herbert is the only quarterback in the NFL that's thrown a pick in every single
56:34one of his team's games this year. It's seven games.
56:37Damn. I remain flabbergasted at what we are seeing here with Justin Herbert.
56:41And there have been absolutely valid criticisms of him in the past.
56:45He has never looked like this before. This offense has never looked like this before.
56:50Like they had their worst offensive performance this week coming off a bye.
56:54And their second worst offensive performance, at least if we're looking at EPA per play, was before the bye.
57:00So they're just deteriorating even more as the season goes on.
57:04They've gone 27 straight possessions without scoring a touchdown.
57:07October 11th, if you want to go by the calendar, is the last time they scored a touchdown.
57:13The only thing they've gotten since that date is field goals.
57:16They are 0-4 in the red zone, by the way.
57:19They have at least one turnover in every single game this season.
57:2317 total. Mind you, they've had their bye week and we're in week 8.
57:28So there's seven games with 17 turnovers. So they're averaging over two per game.
57:32And it's just untenable. And I understand, speaking of going down with the ship, that Harbaugh's like, yeah, you know, Mike's going to keep calling plays this year.
57:41But are either of them going to be there in 2027?
57:45At this point, I feel like the answer is no.
57:48Yeah, really quickly. The design run game is more of an issue, I think, than Justin Herbert even.
57:5418.2% success rate in the run game for the Chargers in this game.
57:58They started the game, Brett, with six straight passes.
58:01You know what happened? It was two, three and outs.
58:04They don't trust the run game. They have no answers.
58:07They have no game plan for it. And it's just, it's hard to think that it's going to get better.
58:14Sunday Night Football, Commanders. Got the big dub over the Philadelphia Eagles.
58:1827-10 was the final score in this one. Brett.
58:20More than two-thirds of Jaden Daniels' 217 passing yards came against man coverage in this game.
58:26Went 8-for-13. Career-high 148 passing yards and a touchdown against man coverage.
58:29Man, if you would have thought that something would have held up for the Eagles this season, it would have been their coverage, right?
58:37I mean, you got Quinone Mitchell. You got Cooper DeGene.
58:40I mean, you would have thought that... How talented they are.
58:44Right, right. And yet, that can't even go right for Philadelphia in what feels like a nightmare season for them.
58:50And when the Commanders fans and the Commanders just overall just really needed.
58:55Thoughts on this game? So, first of all, good for the Commanders.
58:58They absolutely needed this one. Really, everybody in the building needed this one.
59:03My second thought is, because I don't necessarily think the Commanders are a powerhouse in their own right.
59:08And they still dominated the Eagles in this game.
59:11How many teams in the NFC could the Eagles beat right now?
59:15Is it less than three? I think it might be.
59:18Are they the worst team in the conference? I think by default, it's four minimum.
59:23Because you can always lose, or you can always beat any NFC South team at any given week.
59:29Sometimes you don't even have to complete passes. No matter what.
59:33So, I think it's four at a... Tanner McKee, you too could not complete a pass and beat the Atlanta Falcons.
59:39I think it's four at a minimum, but I don't think it's much more than four.
59:44Oh, man. Would they win the NFC South? Brother, does anybody really win the NFC South?
59:50You survive. Yeah, you just survive to next season is really what happens.
59:54So, really quickly, I feel like I get the vibe that the Eagles are in no way going to be sellers at the trade deadline.
60:02Do you feel like that's a good idea for them?
60:05I would have to double-check their contracts, but because they love Void years so much, I'm not sure if they can.
60:12Yeah, great point. Great point. Who can they trade without costing themselves money?
60:16I'm not sure if that... I'd have to double-check, but of all their big contracts, I don't think any of them are really movable.
60:24That's a great point. That's a good point. And as a tangent, as a side note, the reason why they structure...
60:30For the people that haven't followed along for what the Eagles do, the reason why they structure their contracts that way, by
60:38the way, is because all of them are essentially hitting in 2029, 2030.
60:42And they expect there to be a very large jump in the cap by them.
60:47In the cap space, right. For business reasons I won't even get into now.
60:51But they were planning on this core being together and competing.
60:55For a long time. This was not what they thought was going to happen.
60:59Yeah. And unfortunately, haven't scored over 21 points during their six-game losing streak.
61:03Not ideal. Last game that we're talking about here is the New England Patriots and the Miami Dolphins.
61:09Closer on the scoreboard than, to be honest with you, I feel like it really was.
61:1424-19 was the final score here in this game.
61:17But, Brett, I really was never worried at any time that the Patriots weren't going to win this game.
61:23Drake May is so good right now. And all of the demons that he had at the beginning of the year to start the year.
61:31Remember, we talked about, like, well, you know, when he holds onto the ball for over two and a half seconds or
61:38three seconds, he's in his head, he's panicking, and then he's turning it over.
61:43That does not exist for him anymore. And we've got multiple weeks where he has stacked that on top of each other.
61:50He was 11 for 15 on passes of more than two and a half of a time to throw average.
61:56I feel like the defensive and offensive lines are playing really well for the Patriots in this game.
62:02May, longest streak with three plus total TDs in Patriots history.
62:06He's got five. Tom Brady's obviously got the lead with ten.
62:09But those ten came on Tom Brady's MVP season in 2007.
62:13So, Drake May is halfway there, and it is currently active for him.
62:17I just, I have so much faith in Drake May right now.
62:21He is just playing the quarterback position at such a high level.
62:25And I don't think the score appropriately reflects how in control he was in this game.
62:30Because I thought he was fantastic. Hell, halfway through the game, they were down 13-3.
62:35And I still felt like, yeah, they're probably fine.
62:38I'm with you. I'm with you. And that was correct, by the way.
62:42Because it only, it ended 24-19. Again, starting out 13-3.
62:45Ended 24-19 in favor of the Patriots. And that was with the Dolphins scoring, you know, a touchdown in the closing minutes.
62:52It was a great ball, by the way, and a great route by Coleman.
62:57But it was kind of immaterial to the actual result of the game.
63:01In fact, if we're looking at the live win probabilities, it was 98% Patriots before that play.
63:06And, you know, it was 99% Patriots after that because it was just an onside kick.
63:11But they were not really threatened in this game, even while being down 10 points.
63:16Just because of the talent advantage that New England had in this game.
63:20The quarterback advantage that New England had in this game.
63:24And while I do think Miami's future is very bright, they have a lot of young talent.
63:29Like, a lot of young, young talent. And they're just a year away from being a year away.
63:35And it kind of is what it is. I think Dolphins fans knew what this season was going to be going into it.
63:42And they are trusting the process. All right, there we go.
63:46Almost all of Week 8 in the book. Still got Monday Night Football.
63:50But, man, almost halfway through the 2026 season. It's been quite the ride.
63:54And we know that the second half of the season coming up is going to be even better down the stretch.
64:01For all the NGS people who got us the great stats for this show.
64:05For all the production people putting it on. For Brett Coleman, I'm Trevor Sikama saying thank you so much for watching.
64:12We'll see you guys on the next episode on Friday.
64:15See you then. Thank you for listening to our Week 8 Reaction show.
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64:25Hey, it's Drew Franklin from NFL Cover Zero. The 2026 season is underway and we are loving football on TV.
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64:35I would suggest for these preseason games, I think they should do what they do on the NFL draft.
64:41You know, when coverage of the NFL draft is basically for moms.
64:45And they're just like, hey, he has a dog named Spark.
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