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0:37Week 8 is here and this is NFL Pro.
0:40Trevor Sykema, Brett Coleman here with you guys previewing some of the biggest games that we have in Week 8.
0:46But because we're at where we're at in the football calendar, we're also going to talk a little bit of trade deadline destination, play a little matchmaker.
0:54Not much to say, fellas. It's time to go to work.
0:57It's time to go to work. They won't catch him.
1:01It's a touchdown for the Ravens. A lot of good stuff that we're going to get into.
1:06But first, Brett, we got to address the backdrop.
1:08Where in the world are you, my friend? You're putting me to shame right now.
1:13Where are you? I am right next to Newport, Rhode Island.
1:16I'm out of town this week for a wedding because not everybody schedules their weddings around football season.
1:22So we are making it work this week. We are on the road.
1:26But I mean, I've never been in this part of the country.
1:29And I have instantly fallen in love. The food is good.
1:33The views are beautiful. They actually have seasons out here.
1:36I'm a California kid, so anything under 70 is weird to me.
1:39So I actually get to wear a vest for once.
1:42It's great. I know that the beanie is sort of your signature look because I've watched enough of the Brett Coleman YouTube channel.
1:49But now, this is perfect beanie weather for you if you're in that part of the country.
1:55Yeah, no, it actually makes sense. At this part of the year.
1:58And so I'm very happy for you, my friend.
2:01Now you can wear the beanie but actually not be sweating underneath it.
2:05So, you know, I'm very happy for you. Well, you're look maxing the crap out of me right now.
2:11So let's just get to the analysis and hopefully people won't focus too much on that here in this show.
2:17Bears and Seahawks. That's the first game that we're talking about.
2:20Not only is it a matchup of two of the best teams in the NFL, man, we're getting to the point of
2:27the season where there's a lot of playoff probability swings that can happen with wins and losses here.
2:32So this is a pretty high leverage game. If the Seahawks win this game, they have a 78% chance to make the playoffs.
2:39If they lose it, it goes down to 54%.
2:42So a 24% swing. And the Bears, if they win this game, it's all the way up to 82% chance to make the playoffs.
2:49And if they lose it, it goes down to 53%, a 23% swing.
2:53So a lot of things to dig into here on this one.
2:57Brett, where do you want to start? When you think Seahawks and Bears for week eight of this season, where's your mind go to first?
3:05I think about a team that wants to run the ball versus a team that is really good at stopping the run.
3:11And the thing that's most amazing to me about this Seahawks run defense is that they do it from two high safety structures, right?
3:19The Seahawks, if anything, that they're known for on defense, it's how much quarters and in particular, how much quarter, quarter, half
3:25or half, quarter, quarter that they play. You know, cover six plus cover eight.
3:30And the fact that they're still able to stop the run to me speaks to how good their DBs are at tackling in space.
3:37You know, whether you want to call Nick Hammond, worry a DB or a linebacker at this point, you know, dealer's choice.
3:43But their actual true safeties that are lining up, you know, 10 yards plus off the line of scrimmage, they're top 10
3:50in terms of average depth of tackle, meaning how far past the line of scrimmage, their average depth of tackle is at
3:57just 7.7 yards, which sounds like a lot. But remember, that's the average.
4:01So there's a lot of tackles that these safeties are making at three, four, five yard depth while coming from 10 to 12 yards off the deck.
4:09And when you're making that many tackles and you're that good of a tackling team, that adds up over the course of
4:16a game to cut down on the number of second and shorts and make them second and medium, second and long, and
4:22to give yourself more advantageous third down positions as well.
4:25And so if you're looking at how this defense operates as a whole, it really starts with how they stop the run
4:32on early downs to make their late downs better.
4:35And you can't do that without good tackling safeties.
4:38Yeah, 100%. I mean, I was going to talk about Nicky Manwari at some point.
4:42I might as well talk about him now because I went back and I watched that game, you know, that the Seahawks played against the Chiefs.
4:50And I said on game day preview, I think this is going to be a struggle for Kenneth Walker.
4:56I think that the Seahawks know him very well.
4:59And I just think that it was a game that lent itself towards him having one of his slower, if not the
5:05slowest day at the office that we've had so far this season.
5:09Nothing again for Walker. They are shutting him down.
5:12Loss of a yard. I think Nicky Manwari is a huge reason why, because when you look at the 14 carries that
5:18Kenneth Walker had in that game against the Seahawks last week, if you look at just the players that are on the
5:25field, technically it would tell you that 13 of those 14 runs, the Seahawks were in nickel and on the other one they were in dime.
5:33So they had all their DBs on the field.
5:36But Brett, if you actually go and watch the plays, I counted out that they played four of those 14 snaps for
5:42Kenneth Walker runs in a base formation where Nicky Manwari was straight up an off-ball linebacker, or even three of them coming
5:49in a 5-2 formation, stacking the line of scrimmage and not letting Kenneth Walker get to the outside with those outside zone
5:56rushing concepts, which is something that the Chicago Bears are going to want to do as well.
6:01When it comes to the Seahawks defending outside zone, they've allowed the fewest rush yards over expected.
6:06Obviously, last week was a huge boost into that as well.
6:09The fourth fewest yards per carry, the sixth fewest success rate rushing in the NFL.
6:14But when you look at the Bears in outside zone, 103 carries, that's the most in the NFL.
6:19472 rushing yards, second most in the NFL. 13 explosive plays, most in the NFL.
6:24So it really is the unstoppable force versus the immovable object.
6:27And I think Nicky Manwari is the chess piece for that because he played in 100% of the Seahawks' defensive plays last week.
6:34And it's because they feel like they can spread it out and go true nickel or true dime, or they can rotate
6:41into base, not based on who they have out there on the field, but just where they align them.
6:47That's true defensive versatility. So that, of course, I agree with you, is probably the swing in this game.
6:53How the Bears fare in the run game and in outside zone specifically, and then how the Seahawks defend it.
6:59And if you're looking at chess piece versus chess piece, this might be one of the premier matchups in terms of unique
7:05players and unique body types with unique skill sets.
7:08And Seattle, to me, is one of the few teams in the league that has somebody that can actually match up with
7:15Colston Loveland one-on-one, or if they get caught formation-wise or with motion, and, you know, all of a sudden he's covering Luther
7:22Burden, the fact that he can cover either of those guys in space.
7:25How many DBs, linebackers, whatever you want to call them, how many of those even exist in the NFL?
7:31Four? Three? Maybe? Herbert pressure coming! Herbert is thrown down by Eamon Warre!
7:35On the other side of this matchup, I want to talk about Sam Darnold, because obviously it hasn't looked quite the same
7:42this year as it has the last two years, right?
7:45The fact that they're force-feeding JSN so much and he's such a big part of the offense, while he is a super
7:52weapon and he is having a ridiculous, historically ridiculous season, he kind of is what they have.
7:57And I think that predictability in some ways has worked against them offensively.
8:01But with Darnold specifically and his overall production not being quite what it has been in the last couple years, I want
8:07to delineate between quick throws and in-rhythm throws. If you're looking at next-gen stats, they separate out average time to throw between
8:140 and 2.5 seconds, meaning it's a quick throw.
8:17And then they have in-rhythm throws, which is 2.5 to 4 seconds.
8:20And then they have extended plays, which is 4 plus seconds, which I don't know how many plays are designed to go
8:274 plus seconds, but generally not many. And if you're looking at Darnold in-rhythm versus quick passing, his throws that are under
8:342.5 seconds, he has a 105.9 passer rating. His throws that are quote-unquote in-rhythm drops all the way down to 68.7.
8:40And last week against Kansas City, his average time to throw was 2.45 seconds.
8:45Remember, that's average. So he had a bunch of throws faster than that.
8:48His second quickest game in his career. And if I'm looking at Seattle and how they can really get their passing game
8:55to be more consistent, it's just calling things that get the ball out of Darnold's hands quicker.
9:00Because when it's just one decision and go, he's been a lot better this season.
9:05Don't play the time, don't play the time. On the Chicago side of things, I almost want to get away from what
9:12they've been doing recently, where they're kind of Brian Flores-y, putting a bunch of guys in the line of scrimmage, blitzing like crazy.
9:19If you're blitzing like crazy, it kind of reduces the offense to one decision.
9:23I want to make Darnold have to make multiple decisions.
9:26If you're looking at Sam versus Max Blitz this year, meaning sending six-plus rushers, he is 9 of 14 for 106, 7.6
9:33yards per attempt, three touchdowns, no picks, a 126.8 rating, and an average time to throw 2.53 seconds.
9:38When teams rush four or fewer against him, and they make him have to work deep to short, left to right, whatever
9:45it is, work through progressions, that's when there's been a lot more problems.
9:49Because there is less space to exploit with more coverage defenders in the back end, and you can kind of build that
9:55cage around him and compress the pocket around him, and he's just a worse quarterback that way.
10:01Looking in zone, scanning, and the bank, he threw a pick!
10:04Okay, our researcher, Callie, put this together in a tab that literally just says, absurd JSN stats rundown.
10:09So, rather than trying to weave it into specific storylines, I'm just going to feed all of this to you guys, because they truly are absurd.
10:17Okay? It leads the NFL in yards this season, 867.
10:20257 are overexpected, that's most of the NFL. 267 of them are yards after catch.
10:2523.3% success rate per route. 54.1 total EPA, that's the most since 2019, and the second most in the NGS era through seven weeks.
10:32Chris Godwin, shout out to the Buccaneers in 2019, only one who had a higher.
10:3720 explosive receptions, most of the NFL. And he leads the NFL as an isolated receiver with 214 receiving yards.
10:43So, you know how some of these receivers, okay, they'll be stacked to one side, or they'll be in a bunch formation,
10:49it's, alright, I gotta switch release, or I've got one guy going vertical, one guy going out, and it just opens up one receiver.
10:57No, no, no, no. JSN's playing ethical football. He's playing ethical hoops out here, where he is isolated to one side, and
11:03okay, he's got a little bit more space to work with, but they just feed JSN anytime they possibly can.
11:10And for as much as they used him a ton last year, obviously, going into this year, you and I have talked
11:16about, like, alright, when it's JSN and nothing else, is that really good enough?
11:21Dude, there have been certainly times already where, yeah, that's good enough.
11:24And I think that if you're the Seahawks, and you know that, hopefully the cavalry's coming a little bit when it comes
11:31to the run game, and guys in the backfield, you gotta feel pretty good, especially if you win this game against Chicago this week.
11:38Also, by the way, the Seahawks just traded for Quentin Nelson, which probably should mention that.
11:43They had six runs stuffed last week, four of them specifically in the B-gap where the guards are.
11:48So if you have Quentin Nelson on one side, Gray Zabel on the other, I can't imagine they're gonna have six runs stuffed again this week.
11:56We stacked plays, there's so many examples throughout the game of, hey, we gotta play, and then we stacked plays, and then
12:03oh, something happened, and then we found a play.
12:06And we stacked more plays! Chiefs and Broncos. Let's talk about the Chiefs and the Broncos.
12:11Brett, where do you want to start? You want to start on the, we'll talk about Bo Nix eventually, because I think
12:17we have to every single time that we talk about the Broncos, because there's a lot of variance in what he could
12:24be, depending on what opponent they're going up against.
12:27Do you want to start with Nix, or do you want to start somewhere else with this game?
12:32I mean, just kind of a random throwaway fact, JSN has more receiving first downs than both of these teams?
12:38Entire receiving cores? So that kind of gives you context for what we're working here.
12:43It should have been. Crazy, crazy stat. But that gives you an idea of how far ahead, A, JSN is from everybody
12:50else, but also where both of these receiving cores are at this year, I think for different reasons.
12:55I think the Broncos' receiving core is talented, but the passing game overall hasn't been ideal to be diplomatic about it.
13:01And then the Chiefs' receiving core, I think Patrick Mahomes is playing really well, but their receiving core isn't that talented.
13:08So as of right now, both these passing games are struggling for very different reasons.
13:12I know you said you want to get to Bo Nix later.
13:16I feel like that kind of is the main story of this game, just because we saw what happened in week one,
13:23Bo versus Steve Spagnuolo and this defense. You're sight intercepted by the Chiefs' Munson, He was atrocious.
13:28I don't think even Broncos fans could defend it.
13:31It was arguably his worst game of the year.
13:33And if you're looking at the Broncos against man coverage this season, which they faced a lot of in that week one
13:40matchup, he's got a completion percentage of 41.3%, which is obviously not great.
13:44EPA per dropback of negative 0.4, which is obviously also not great.
13:48Weirdly, 11.7 air yards per attempt when facing man coverage, which is the most in the NFL.
13:53It's one of the only times he actually does stretch the field is when he faces man.
13:58It's just, he's not very good at actually completing the ball down the field.
14:02And overall, if you're looking at amount of targets that he throws against man, it's still a low volume thing.
14:08Like he just doesn't throw against man that often.
14:11And I think it's because he just, he's not comfortable throwing into the tight windows that are required to throw into against man coverage.
14:1811.5% tight window throw rate, which is six lowest in the NFL.
14:2250.9% open target rate, which is sixth highest, which means he's only throwing it when his receivers are open.
14:28And if you're looking at wide open target rate, he's the third highest in the NFL at 31.2%.
14:33So his comfort zone is just targeting guys that are wide open, sitting in gaps in between zone defenders.
14:39Football's back. Hey, it's Drew Franklin from NFL Cover Zero.
14:42Enjoy the NFL season while listening to NFL Cover Zero.
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14:51When you meet people and you say your job's a sports announcer, it's always interesting to see what the first thing they say is.
14:59I did have one of the more difficult questions, though.
15:02He sits next to me and he sees I'm on my computer and he goes, big sports fan.
15:07And I was like, yeah, actually. And he goes, what do you think about my Jaguars this year?
15:13I realized, like, no one's ever asked me that question ever about anything.
15:16And I was like, listen to NFL Cover Zero on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
15:23There's kind of completing layups down the field, which I think factors into why his passing charts tend to look the way that they do.
15:30Whereas if you're playing a bunch of man coverage, he's really only going to throw it if it's a one-on-one down the
15:37boundary where there's only one guy he has to try to fit the ball in around.
15:42And that's just a low percentage throw to begin with.
15:45Yeah. And that's why Nick's has been, I think so frustrating for me in the NFL, because when I was watching him
15:52at Oregon, I was like, okay, this guy can operate the offense pretty well.
15:56He can keep things on script, but then he has the athletic ability.
16:00He's got an NFL arm. And obviously we've seen what he can do with his legs as well to give you those explosives.
16:07He's just not very confident and consistent when getting to that.
16:10And I think that's just been a frustrating part that hasn't become more consistent for him.
16:15Cause I know that the talent's there, we just don't see it on a regular basis from him on the other side of things.
16:22Cause this game was 31 to 10. When these two teams matched up in week one, it really was not close.
16:29And it was the Kenneth Walker sort of coming out party of, Hey, this contract was absolutely well worth it for this Kansas city chiefs team.
16:37But you know, when you look at the Broncos, I went back and I watched that game sort of getting ready for this, this preview here.
16:45And there's no other way to say it. I mean, I just think the Broncos kind of came out flat and it's
16:51hard for me to say, well, you know, the chiefs really took advantage of them here, here and here.
16:57I guess when you talk about outside throws, that's an area where it might be a translatable or repeatable thing that they could still struggle with.
17:05Uh, the chiefs had over 120 passing yards on outbreaking routes.
17:08They had over 120 passes when it comes to attacking the seam as well.
17:13And so the way that they really, really beat up on this Broncos team is in the run game.
17:18And watching that Broncos game was one where we said, okay, we have to talk about the missed tackles in week one
17:25because of how bad it was, because this team had a 29.5% missed tackle rate against the chiefs in week one.
17:31That was the highest rate since week three of 2023, which was also the Denver Broncos, by the way, but it was
17:38that lack of discipline, that lack of focus, those, those missed tackles.
17:42And yeah, of course, like it was some of those outside zone runs, what, which we've seen from the chiefs, but also just up the middle as well.
17:50Like they were just getting a ton of push up the middle when they were running power or duo, or just straight
17:57up individual man blocking concepts where they were just like, Hey, you'll become that wall and take a step forward.
18:03And eventually they did. And it felt like the strength of the chiefs offensive line was just straight up better that day.
18:10They had 248 yards allowed after missed tackles. That was the most in the single game since 2018 as well.
18:16So if you're the Broncos, you got to be able to say, we took a look at the tape against the chiefs in week one.
18:23And even though it wasn't close on the scoreboard, we feel as though we did a lot of beating ourselves in that game.
18:30And I think that's the approach that you have to have if you're the Broncos.
18:35So it just kind of comes down to, you got to be a lot more focused.
18:40You got to be a lot more disciplined. And that's really where the difference in this game has to be is it's
18:47just got to be so, so much better. And the floor has to be so much higher than what it was in week one.
18:54Obviously, as of recording this show, we're not a hundred percent sure.
18:58Patrick Surtain II's going to be playing. We're on Sertan watch this week.
19:01So it's possible this, this note doesn't match up as well.
19:05Uh, when we get to game time, he obviously is going to have a massive impact on this game because he's Patrick Sertan.
19:12How could he not? And in particular, we've, we've had this interesting trend where, you know, Kenneth Walker is running against split
19:19safety looks way more than you expect for running back as productive as he is because teams are, are playing these split safety looks to stop crossing routes.
19:27The Broncos just as a unit are very good against crossing routes because they have an explosive secondary.
19:32They communicate really well. And when you have Patrick Sertan, like it's not really any route that's going to work against him.
19:39And, you know, Riley Moss is a high end CB2 as well.
19:43So I'm wondering if that bread and butter of crossing routes is going to get eliminated for a second straight week because
19:50Seattle similarly is equipped to handle these crossing routes really well.
19:53They play split safety a bunch anyway, if you take that away and if you have a better tackling performance against Kenneth
20:00Walker than what they had in week one, what is the third punch that Kansas city has?
20:05I'm still waiting to see that. They obviously didn't have it against Seattle and they got trounced, right?
20:10No snaps in the red zone that entire game.
20:13This could be a very low scoring game. I don't know if either team would really be able to crack 17 points.
20:20Every week when you play a game, you have to hear one thing.
20:24There's a way to win each one of these games.
20:27We just got to promise ourselves. We're still improving.
20:29You mentioned how Nick's has kind of struggled under pressure, man.
20:33I think it's the complete opposite, which with Jared Goff, who it's where I want to go with this Detroit lions and
20:39Minnesota Vikings game that we're talking about next. I think Goff is underrated at this point.
20:44And this is coming from somebody who is a Jared Goff skeptic.
20:48You know, when I've done these preseason quarterback rankings, you know, I'd have Goff anywhere between 13 and 18, somewhere between there over the years.
20:55Like, can he get it done for you? Yeah.
20:58But what is Jared Goff really in that offense?
21:01How much does he really matter? This is, I think a year where you look at this lions offense and yes, he's got great weapons to throw to.
21:09He has a good offensive line, but Jared Goff himself is individually.
21:13I think bringing the most value that I've seen in a long time from him, even in really good lions offenses that
21:20we've seen under the, over the years, specifically when it comes to play under pressure, the thought with golf was always, Hey,
21:27when it's on script, when he's clean, he could be a great facilitator.
21:30But when you pressure him, he really struggles. Now he's not the best quarterback in the NFL because he's not the most
21:37mobile when it comes to playing under pressure. But this season, this feels like one of the better versions under pressure of Jared Goff.
21:44Maybe we've ever seen this season, 89.3% passer rating.
21:47That's fourth highest in the NFL. This is under pressure.
21:50Of course, 39.2% success rate. Again, top five, fourth highest in the NFL and negative EPA per drop back.
21:56But that's kind of to be expected. A lot of times that there's heavy pressure against quarterbacks because his EPA per drop
22:03back and negative 0.15, that's still eighth best in the NFL.
22:06So it matters, of course, for this week because he's going up against the madman that is Brian Flores.
22:12But Goff and this Lions offense has been able to at least punch back, have some answers against Flores.
22:18And I think this year it's even more intriguing because Goff, from a confidence standpoint, seems more well-equipped to take on whatever
22:24Flores is going to throw at him. So just wanted to kind of start this preview by giving Goff a shout out
22:31here as somebody, again, who has been a skeptic of what his overall value to the offense really has been.
22:37You go out there and you have a good performance in this game and you get a W, we're going to need
22:44to talk about Jared Goff in the MVP conversation if that's the case.
22:48Hell, I'm already there. He's got 14 touchdowns, no picks.
22:51That's true. Yeah, that's very true. We could, we are already there with him, no doubt.
22:56And the thing that I love the most about Jared Goff is his ability to work the middle, even when he's not
23:02supposed to be able to work in the middle.
23:05You know, last week against Green Bay, coming into that game, Green Bay was arguably the best defense in the league in terms of eliminating in breaking routes.
23:14He more than doubled the average yards per attempt on in breaking routes that Green Bay had allowed all season.
23:20Like that is how good he is at slicing and dicing over the middle, whether it's like dagger concepts, crossing routes, like
23:26even just, you know, shallows, his ability to throw anywhere in between the numbers with absolutely no fear at any level of
23:33the defense, his ability to manipulate defenders out of the way to open up space in the middle of the field, the
23:40connection that he has with Amon Ra and Laporta and Jameson, where they're just always in the right spot at the exact right time.
23:47It's almost impossible to deal with. And looking at the matchup against Flores, you know, yes, recently Flores has had more success
23:54against Goff, but before last year, Detroit under Ben Johnson with Jared Goff as the quarterback was the only defense that was
24:00really putting up 30 burgers against Minnesota. And Flores has been doing this high blitz rate style for a while now.
24:07He's amped it up more this year, but it's not like he wasn't blitzing a lot before.
24:12He was number one. Now he's just number one by more.
24:15And the way that he deploys it, the coverage structures in the back end, when you're rushing five guys, most defenses, they're
24:22going to play what's called a three, three fire zone, three deep, three under Flores does it differently.
24:27He's going to play a lot of quarters and cover two behind it.
24:31Specifically, if you're looking at quarters, 36.7% quarters coverage with a five man rush.
24:36The next closest team is down at 30.6%. And the NFL average is like under 12%.
24:41So he's over triple the NFL average in terms of the amount of quarters run with a five man rush.
24:47Why is that? Well, most teams don't like having to stress their linebackers that much to cover stuff over the middle without
24:53having that, that seventh guy to work with in coverage.
24:56But when you have Blake Cashman, when you have Eric Wilson, I mean, there's only five players in the entire NFL with
25:03a hundred snaps aligned on the defensive line and 50 off of it.
25:07There are two of them. If you include Van Ginkle, it's three.
25:11It's just, he has more snaps on ball than, than the other guys have.
25:15But I mean, that's three guys that they're able to use as chess pieces that can be rushers or drop back and
25:22be these hook zone players over the middle. And it's a tall order.
25:26It's really, really hard to do. Cashman and Wilson are one of the only guys that are trusted that much to do it.
25:33And when you have that much space over the middle and you have a quarterback like Jared Goff, that isn't really flustered by pressure.
25:40Like he used to be early in his career and he knows exactly where the ball has to go.
25:46And he knows exactly the timing and the types of throws he has to make to get it there.
25:51He's one of the quarterbacks that is uniquely equipped to have success against this.
25:56Plus he's also seen it more than anybody else at this point of, you know, him and Jordan Love are the two
26:02that seen it most, but he is so, so good at working that area of the field.
26:07And the only way to really beat this defense is to work that area of the field.
26:13That's what makes this matchup so fascinating to me.
26:15And if there is any offense this year that is going to beat this Flores defense and finally take a win off
26:22of Minnesota, it's going to be him. And Brett, I think it's even deeper than that.
26:27We talk about Brian Flores versus, you know, other teams quarterbacks and, you know, how much he blitzes them.
26:33Does that show almost like how much he respects the other quarterback?
26:36You know, again, like they blitz the Colts 85% of the time.
26:40They just straight up said, Daniel Jones will not be able to handle the blitz.
26:45We're just going to keep throwing it at you.
26:47And it is going to keep working. And that is what ended up happening.
26:52Football's back. Hey, it's Drew Franklin from NFL cover zero.
26:55Enjoy the NFL season while listening to NFL cover zero.
26:58We have storylines, predictions, and lots of silliness. Here's what you can expect from the podcast in our second season.
27:04When you meet people and you say your job's a sports announcer, it's always interesting to see what the first thing they say is.
27:11I did have one of the more difficult questions though.
27:14He sits next to me and he sees I'm, I'm, I'm on my computer and he goes, big sports fan.
27:20And I was like, yeah, actually. And he goes, we think about my Jaguars this year.
27:25I realized like no one's ever asked me that question ever about anything.
27:29And I was like, listen to NFL cover zero on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you get your podcast.
27:35What's interesting about golf though, is the way that the last three years have played out from 2023 to 2025, obviously going
27:42into this year, the games they've already played. I think it shows an underlying level of respect that Flores has for Jared
27:49Goff in this lions offense, because golf was blitzed on 44.7% of the dropbacks.
27:53The lions had on their two losses to the Vikings last season, after facing the blitz on 64.5% of dropbacks on their
28:00four wins against Minnesota from 2023 to 2024. So essentially Flores blitzed golf more in 2023 and 2024.
28:05The first two years when he was facing him is the Vikings defensive coordinator, and they lost all four of those games.
28:12So instead, I think Flores went back to the drawing board and said, okay, okay, hold on here.
28:17I'm going to blitz him less. I'm just going to try to be more calculated with when I do.
28:23So it's less of a volume thing and more of a picking his battles because he blitzed, golf less in the two
28:30games that the Vikings won against the lions last season.
28:33But golf was still fantastic. When there was no blitz, when there was no blitz golf completed more than 80% of his
28:40passes had 339 passing yards, 9.2 yards per attempt average, three touchdowns, no interceptions, but when he was blitz.
28:45So again, it's, it's, it's less frequent, but it was more impactful because when he was blitzed, that's when the interceptions came
28:52zero touchdowns, two interceptions yards per attempt, went all the way down to 4.9 completion percentage went to 44.8.
28:58So Brett, I just think this is so fascinating.
29:00Yeah. It caught him by surprise. When you're presenting eight guys in line of scrimmage and Jared golf knows that you're blitzing.
29:07It's not that he knows who's blitzing, right? Cause the, the Flores defense isn't really designed around position labels, right?
29:13A safety could be a linebacker, a linebacker could be an edge and edge can be an off ball.
29:19Like it's not about position labels. You just have to imagine X is like on a chalkboard on a whiteboard.
29:25It's about structure and a role, not about positions and matchups.
29:28And so you don't know exactly who's coming, but you know, people are coming and you know, generally what the structure of
29:35the coverage is going to be because they play so much too deep, whether it's quarters, whether it's cover two.
29:41I mean, we're talking like 50% of their blitzes are going to be a too high structure of some kind.
29:47So you know what they're going to do. You just don't know exactly who's doing what role, but you know where they're going to be.
29:55And so if you are presenting that and golf knows that he can attack it, if you're presenting it and then you
30:02drop out a bunch, now he doesn't know when you're blitzing and when you're not.
30:06So it causes him, you know, either to slow down his clock a little bit or to misidentify something.
30:12Not to mention if you add in rotation at the snap on there.
30:16And so if you're picking your spots and then actually blitz, when he's been lulled into this kind of false sense of security, that's how you get him.
30:24So if we see Brian Flores in this game, have a blitz rate under 60%, it's a story.
30:30If we see him have a blitz rate under 50%, that's a major, major story, because that means he knows that the
30:37only way he can actually blitz golf effectively is if he doesn't tell him when he's going to do it, which so
30:43far this season, he's told everybody when he's going to do it and it still worked.
30:48Golf might be the exception. Got to complete. That is J-Mo at the 10.
30:52J-Mo to the five. J-Mo to the end zone.
30:55Touchdown Detroit Lions. There's news happening in the NFL.
30:58We are weeks away from a trade deadline and there's already some actions.
31:02Now listen, in two weeks when we get to the trade deadline and on the last day, maybe there's not fireworks.
31:08I don't want to hear everybody say, oh, bummer of a trade deadline because this counts right now.
31:14The Colts getting a jump here. Let's get into a little trade deadline talk here.
31:18We've already got two big names who have been traded.
31:21Quentin Nelson, we talked about it, is now a member of the Seattle Seahawks.
31:26DeForest Buckner coming home to the San Francisco 49ers as part of what feels like a Colts fire sale thing.
31:32Heck, by the time that this episode comes out, maybe Jonathan Taylor gets dealt.
31:36Maybe Josh Downs gets dealt. I mean, basically everybody on the roster feels available for the Indianapolis Colts.
31:41But Brad, I want to talk a little bit beyond the Colts because I think everybody's just talking about the Colts with
31:48a trade deadline, but there's 31 other teams in the NFL and there's buyers and sellers.
31:53And I want to throw out some names that maybe people aren't talking too much about, or if they are connections that
32:00maybe just make a lot of sense. So whose name do you want to bring to the table here?
32:05Have a little trade discussion talk here about whether or not they could be moved at the deadline.
32:11So the thing with high value trades for star players, you know, no fan base accepts the reality that they're, you know,
32:18their best player or one of their best players is going to get traded, but it is a reality and it happens every single season.
32:25And we saw the jets do it twice last year, trading Quinn and trading sauce and hell sauce was recently extended and
32:32they still gave them up for multiple first round picks because at some point, a general manager's job is to acknowledge that the timelines are off kilter.
32:40And when I say the timelines, I mean, you have an age timeline for your roster.
32:45You want your best players to all be peaking at the same time in their prime.
32:50You have financial timelines and then there's development timelines, right?
32:53And this is really more so about quarterback. Is he going to be ascending at the same time as the other star
32:59players, the core of your team are hitting their peaks.
33:03And is our financial timeline managed well enough where we can fill in the rest of the roster around them because we have leftover money.
33:10That's what the general manager's job is the head coach and the players.
33:14Their job is to win games and to not worry about that.
33:18The GM's job is to worry about that. And they have to think in three year increments.
33:23You can't really think in five year increments anymore.
33:26It has to be three because everything changes so fast.
33:29Yeah. It's a strategy for the initial 53 cut.
33:31And then as well as, you know, what we're going to look like in the middle of October and then trying to
33:38be as strong as we possibly can. And as deep as we possibly can with a combination of older and younger players down the stretch.
33:46And so teams are not intentionally trying to lose this time of year.
33:50I know, I know some people think that they are, they're really not coaches are coaching for their jobs.
33:55Players are coaching for their jobs, but general managers have to make sure that their timelines all line up, which is why
34:02you see trades like Quentin to the Seahawks and DeForest Buckner and maybe Jonathan Taylor, because they realize their timelines were not lined up.
34:09They don't have a future quarterback solution. They don't have their financial ducks in a row.
34:14That is why these fire sales happen. And so, you know, keeping the congruency of timelines in mind, when I look at
34:21players that can be on the move, I look at bad teams that probably need a reset that are multiple years away,
34:28that have some players that might just not fit their current timeline in, in one of those three phases, if not multiple
34:34of those, those three phases that need to be lined up.
34:38So I look at say, you know, Jeff Simmons with the Titans, he's almost 30.
34:42He's, he's almost the same age as Quentin Nelson.
34:45He still got it. He could be on the move because the Titans are just not going to be competitive by the
34:52time that he's still in his prime. So, you know, Quentin got a third because he's in the last year of his deal.
34:59Simmons, I think would get more because he is a longer runway of cost control and he's still, you know, Jeff Simmons
35:05and finding an elite interior rusher is hard to do.
35:08Breaking news on GMFB is the trade deadline is less than two weeks away.
35:13The Chicago bears are swinging big, bringing in one of the best defensive tackles in the NFL.
35:18One of the best players in the NFL, regardless of position, Jeff Simmons, a defensive player of the year candidate.
35:24Here are the terms. It is Jeff Simmons and a five in 2028 for a first rounder in 2027, a first rounder
35:31in 2028 and a fourth rounder in 2027. The Ravens are playing the bills and Lamar Jackson doesn't play last week against the Cincinnati Bengals.
35:38It kind of felt like he was pretty close.
35:41And so I'm operating under the guise of, I think he's playing this week.
35:45I feel decently confident about that. Just given what his status was the previous week.
35:50So with that being the case, if that's the table that we're setting here, what do you think about this game?
35:56Where's your mind go to first with this one?
35:59My mind goes, weirdly, not to the quarterbacks because we know both quarterbacks are great, but the bills, when they're at their
36:06best, it's when they're able to establish the ground game to not make Josh's job easier, but more so it's a, it's
36:12so that he can be the force multiplier or rather have something that he can multiply even more, which is their dominant
36:19ground game, which then leads to their play action pass game, which then leads to their explosive rates being super high.
36:25It's all a self-fulfilling prophecy, right? And so when the bills run game is at their best, it's when they're just running North South in between the tackles.
36:34They have a monstrously large offensive line. I think I saw that Dion Dawkins is still like 340 pounds and that's after losing 40.
36:41Like they're just a huge, huge offensive line. If you're looking at the concepts that they run, they get 5.4 yards per
36:48carry on man concepts, which is fourth best in the NFL, 5.4 yards per carry on duo specifically, also fourth best in the NFL.
36:55They mash people in between the tackles off these double teams because they're bigger than you are.
37:00Meanwhile, the Ravens, interestingly enough, if they're going to have a shot at stopping the Buffalo offense, it's not really about Josh Allen.
37:07It's about making every single third down really long and forcing him to be a superhero as much as possible.
37:13We know he can, but the more he has to, the better because sometimes you can get them into a mistake and
37:20the Ravens run defense against these man concepts, 2.6 yards per carry allowed fourth fewest in the NFL and specifically against duo
37:273.2 yards per carry allowed eighth fewest. So they are good at stopping what the bills do in the ground game.
37:33So if they have a good chance here to me, it's not just because of Lamar.
37:38It's because they can put the bills defense or bills offense off schedule.
37:42I am fascinated to see if they actually do it because so far this year, nobody really has been able to.
37:48I also want to talk about Zay Flowers and Flowers is having an unbelievable season.
37:53You know, whether Lamar has been out there or not, obviously it looks better when Lamar is out there, or I should
38:00just say the, the offense is more explosive when Lamar is out there, but we even saw last week in the first
38:06half of the game against the Bengals, like they were going to the Zay Flowers and he was able to do his
38:13thing with Snoop Huntley out there as well. Specifically though, the NGS peeps were able to point this out.
38:19How Zay Flowers does against linebackers is, I think a major area where they have exploited this season and could continue to do so.
38:2614 receptions, 224 yards on 17 targets versus linebackers.
38:29And Brett, he averages 6.1 yards per matchup against linebackers.
38:32They are halfway to a first down if there is a linebacker on Zay Flowers.
38:36Now, when it comes to coverage roles for linebackers, some assignments are really tough, right?
38:41Sometimes you can go back and you can look at a play and you could say, okay, technically, yes, this was the
38:48linebackers responsibility, but you go back and you watch it.
38:51And just due to the positioning and how the guys were aligned pre-snap or what the play was or what the route
38:57combination was post-snap, you go, yeah, you probably weren't stopping that one.
39:01That was just kind of a hat tip to how the offense was designed.
39:05And Brett, all of that is really important for this matchup against the Bills because Bills linebackers are currently giving up 8.6 yards per target.
39:13That's 30th in the league. So the Ravens very clearly want to get Zay Flowers involved.
39:18They want to get him over the middle of the field.
39:21They want him to get matched up against linebackers, whether he's in motion, whether another guy is in motion, however they need to make it happen.
39:29They're willing to do that. Declan Doyle is pointing out these linebackers and saying, there's no way they can keep up with Flowers.
39:36I think that continues this week. And I think it's going to be a big reason why the Ravens are going to have success against the Bills defense.
39:45If they do. I mean, they're really going to have to lean on Flowers because I'm not sure they can lean on their run game at this point.
39:53If you're looking at the first month of the season, and really this is a multifaceted problem because this is the first
40:00year of Derek Henry's career, shockingly at his age, where I feel like he's finally started to slow down a little bit.
40:06He doesn't quite look the same, but the offensive line in front of him, partly due to injuries, obviously acknowledging that Ravens
40:13fans don't come at me, partly due to injuries.
40:16The offensive line is not blocking as well as they did in the first part of the season.
40:21If you're looking at yards before contact per carry weeks, one through four, 3.2, which is absurd.
40:26Like you're darn near getting four yards before he even gets touched.
40:30And, you know, Henry's a freight train weeks, five through seven, 0.1 teams are hitting him in the backfield way more often the last few weeks.
40:38And it's, it's kind of tanked their run game, you know, zone runs are their bread and butter, which has been true
40:45for Derek Henry for darn near a decade at this point, weeks one through four, 5.4 yards per carry, 54% success rate, 16% explosive rate on zone runs.
40:53Without that run game being a stabilizing presence, maybe part of that is because Huntley's been in there.
40:59So teams are keying on Henry. I get that too.
41:02Context, context, context, but the context isn't good. And so if you can't run the ball here and it's just Zay Lamar, please save us.
41:09I'm not sure that's enough to keep up with all of the ways the bills offense can beat you.
41:15I'm, I'm deeply worried about them if they can't get the ground game going.
41:19Yeah. I think it's already tough with the Ravens going into this one because Vega Yawane has the sprained, sprained named MCL.
41:26And to be honest with you, even though he is a rookie, the Ravens are at their best when they are running behind him.
41:33If you just look at yards before contact by gap in the, a gap between the center and the right guard, that
41:40is by far the highest area that they have at 3.4 yards before contact as an average.
41:45Vega Yawane has played both right guard and center.
41:48So that is quite literally a Vega Yawane stat.
41:51And if he is not in this game or if he is not as mobile or whatever it is, that's where they struggle.
41:58I think this team wants to run outside zone, but the yards before contact by gap showcase that, you know, everything out
42:04really from the sea gap and beyond is a struggle for this team.
42:08And there's just not a lot going on the ground.
42:11And I think that losing Vega Yawane is going to hurt them in a big way.
42:16So maybe it does have to be Lamar and Zay please save us.
42:20They won't catch them. It's a touchdown for the Ravens.
42:23Last game that we're touching on here. Let's go to the Browns and the Steelers, a feisty matchup here near the top of the AFC North.
42:31Thoughts overall on these two teams here entering week eight as two teams above 500 and a record and near the top of the division race here.
42:39I mean, the leverage on this game is crazy, right?
42:42The Browns, if they win their playoff probability is 61%, which halfway through the season, if your playoff probability is 61%, that's great.
42:49It's far better than what people expect from Cleveland early this season.
42:53If they lose though, it goes down to 35%.
42:56So that is a 26% leverage swing, which is massive.
42:59And the Steelers are right behind him at 25%.
43:02If they win at 72% to go to the playoffs, if they lose, it's 48%.
43:06So huge, huge game in the AFC North might determine ultimately who wins the division.
43:11And right now, if I'm trying to pick this game, it's about who has the better offensive line and running back combination.
43:17They are a top five offensive line fourth as of recording this in terms of pressure rate allowed, just 30.8%.
43:23It's fourth best in the NFL. And you have a running back who has 36 missed tackles force from scrimmage, which is
43:30fourth most 354 yards after missed tackles from scrimmage, which is most in the NFL.
43:35And he has an EPA per touch of 0.13, which is also fourth most among running backs with at least 50 touches.
43:41So you have an offensive line that isn't letting Aaron Rogers get hit and they're opening up holes like crazy for Jalen Warren.
43:48And when Jalen Warren gets a hole, he's paying it off better than almost any other running back in the league.
43:55That is an extremely difficult combination to beat. And if you're looking at the resume of a team that has that combination
44:01of a top five offensive line and pressure percentage allowed, as well as top five in EPA per designed runs from the running back.
44:09If we're looking at how far that takes you historically, these are the last few teams to even come close to that resume.
44:16If not having that resume, 2025 Rams, they lost in the NFC conference game, 2024 bucks lost in the wild card, 2023
44:22dolphins lost in the wild card, 2022 Packers, no playoffs, 2021 Browns, interestingly enough, no playoffs.
44:27And then 2020 Packers lost in the NFC conference game.
44:30So most of those went to the playoffs and half of them, when they got to the playoffs went all the way to the conference championship game.
44:39So this is a winning formula that the Steelers have.
44:42And while they have their other issues, obviously when you have an offensive line like that and a running back like that,
44:48and a defense that's playing like they're playing recently, how many teams realistically in the AFC could beat that?
44:54Not many. You emphasize the Steelers offensive line, which I think was appropriate here for this game.
44:59I'm going to emphasize the Steelers on the defensive line, because my goodness, I mean, when you hold the new Orleans saints
45:06to 18 rushing yards on 17 carries, I mean, we got to pay attention.
45:10We got to go back to the film. We got to see what you're doing.
45:15And the Steelers defensive line is one of the best in the NFL.
45:19Now, are they one of the best pass rushing units in the NFL?
45:23No, not quite. They have the third lowest pressure rate this season at 30.9.
45:27And last week they actually had their season low at 21.4, but defending the run.
45:31Oh boy, they can defend the run. Cam Hayward, Keanu Benton, different edge rushers that they have there, but Patrick Queen, Peyton Wilson.
45:38Those guys were incredible last week. Overall on the season, they have a below 40% success rate allowed on the ground versus the run at 39.4%.
45:46They're top five in the NFL in yards before contact per attempt at just 0.8.
45:51When I say top five, I mean in a good way for the defensive line.
45:55And they're number two behind only the Kansas City Chiefs in percentage of hitting the running back at the line of scrimmage at 48.2%.
46:03This defensive line is so stout against the run.
46:06And I think that this is going to make for quite a low scoring game, which maybe lends itself to a place
46:12that the Cleveland Browns want to be in because they've had so many, you know, fourth quarter comebacks and last drive comebacks.
46:19And so maybe that's exactly where the Browns want to be.
46:22But I think that it's going to be a defensive slugfest in this game.
46:26This is going to be a throwback AFC North type of matchup with strength on strength in the trenches.
46:32You know, you highlighted obviously the Steelers on the offensive side, but man, the Steelers on the defensive side, if they continue
46:39to stop the run, I mean, it's going to put more on Deshaun Watson's plate in a single game than I think
46:46they've had to do at any point in time this season.
46:49So with Rogers really feeling it and what we saw last week with how they've been out really the last couple of
46:56weeks with how they've been able to expand the passing game to, you know, Jeremy Bernard and DK Metcalf and Darnell Washington and all of those guys.
47:04I think this is going to be a fun one.
47:07I think that it's going to be low scoring, but I do think that this is going to be a pretty fun matchup.
47:14There we go. So the week eight games or a preview in here on the show, obviously we've got so many more,
47:21which we will touch on on the reaction show where we touch on every single game from the Sunday slate.
47:27On Monday, make sure you guys tune in for that.
47:30Thanks for listening to our week eight preview show.
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47:37Hey, it's Drew Franklin from NFL cover zero. The 2026 season is underway and we are loving football on TV.
47:43Here's what you can expect from the podcast in our second season.
47:47I would suggest for these preseason games, I think they should do what they do on the NFL draft.
47:53You know, when coverage of the NFL draft is basically for moms and they're just like, Hey, he has a dog named spark.
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