2026 Team Draft with Mike Golic Jr.
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1 hr 18 min
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Sep 3, 2026
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Thu, September 3, 2026
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A.J. BrownBrian Thomas Jr.C.J. StroudCam WardChristian McCaffreyD.J. MooreDaniel JonesDeshaun WatsonDrake MayeGeorge PickensJalen HurtsJayden DanielsJosh AllenJosh Jacobs
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A.J. Brown
PositiveRole33:49
Mina Kimes notes that the Patriots have added AJ Brown to their roster, which she believes makes the team better than they are currently given credit for.
Insight pageBrian Thomas Jr.
PositiveBreakout58:54
Brian Thomas Jr. is a candidate to return to form and provide a significant boost to the Jaguars' offense.
Insight pageC.J. Stroud
PositiveUsage35:47
Mike Golic Jr. likes the moves the Texans have made to protect CJ Stroud better this season.
Insight pageCam Ward
NegativeProjection182:27
Despite a clunky preseason and negative sentiment, there is an upside case for Cam Ward if he and Brian Daboll can find common ground, as he flashed potential in a difficult situation last year.
Insight pageChristian McCaffrey
PositiveUsage66:30
Christian McCaffrey remains the focal point of the 49ers' offense; as long as he is healthy and the offensive line is intact, the team's offense remains highly effective.
Insight pageD.J. Moore
PositiveRole16:36
Mike Golic Jr. questions if DJ Moore can be the answer to the Bills' prayers at wide receiver, noting his potential role as a solution for man coverage.
Insight pageDaniel Jones
NegativeRole35:27
Mike Golic Jr. questions the Colts' outlook, noting they are relying on Daniel Jones coming off his recent issues.
Insight pageDeshaun Watson
NegativeProjection188:38
The Browns' offensive outlook remains uncertain due to the Deshaun Watson situation and a largely new offensive line.
Insight pageDrake Maye
NegativeProjection31:35
Mina Kimes notes that there is negative sentiment surrounding the Patriots, partly due to what was seen from Drake Maye in the postseason.
Insight pageGeorge Pickens
PositiveUsage43:17
George Pickens is reportedly balling out in training camp while playing on the franchise tag, exceeding expectations and avoiding the negative offseason narratives that previously surrounded him.
Insight pageJalen Hurts
NegativeProjection45:23
Jalen Hurts remains a solid fantasy asset, though there is skepticism about him maintaining top-8 to top-10 weekly production throughout the season.
Insight pageJayden Daniels
PositiveBreakout95:48
There is an optimistic case that Jaden Daniels could look like a franchise quarterback under new offensive leadership.
Insight pageJosh Allen
PositiveProjection16:55
Mike Golic Jr. maintains confidence in the Bills' offense because Josh Allen remains the centerpiece of the team.
Insight pageJosh Jacobs
NegativeInjury50:25
Josh Jacobs faces uncertainty due to a potential suspension or placement on the commissioner's exempt list, which could impact his availability to start the season.
Insight pageKenneth Walker III
PositiveUsage60:43
The Chiefs are expected to utilize Kenneth Walker heavily in the run game, potentially operating from under center to anchor the offense.
Insight pageKirk Cousins
NegativeRole178:58
Kirk Cousins has been officially named the Week 1 starter for the Raiders, though there is skepticism regarding his performance given the team's defensive outlook.
Insight pageKyler Murray
PositiveProjection85:17
If Kyler Murray performs as a top-14 quarterback, the Vikings have the potential to contend for a division title or a wildcard spot.
Insight pageLamar Jackson
PositiveRole26:40
Mike Golic Jr. and Mina Kimes discuss Lamar Jackson's health and mobility, noting that he appears to be in a good headspace and physically recovered from the issues that led to high sack totals last year.
Insight pageMalik Willis
NegativeProjection191:40
Malik Willis is mentioned in the context of the Dolphins' difficult rebuilding year, with little expectation for immediate success.
Insight pageMarvin Harrison Jr.
PositiveBreakout108:32
If Marvin Harrison Jr. plays with the confidence of a player with his ability, he could help the Cardinals' offense sneak up on people.
Insight pageMichael Penix Jr.
PositiveRole186:43
The Dolphins appear desperate to name Michael Penix Jr. as the starting quarterback, with expectations that he could provide a spark to the offense.
Insight pageMichael Pittman
PositiveValue90:20
Adding Michael Pittman Jr. to the Steelers' receiving corps is expected to lift the floor of the offense.
Insight pageMike Evans
NegativeInjury64:57
Mike Evans is currently banged up, which adds to the injury concerns surrounding the 49ers' roster.
Insight pagePuka Nacua
NegativeValue12:08
Mina Kimes notes that the Rams will have to make tough contract choices in the future, specifically mentioning Puka Nacua as a player involved in those long-term financial considerations.
Insight pageRicky Pearsall
NegativeInjury64:53
Ricky Pearsall is dealing with injuries, which is a negative development for the 49ers' depth.
Insight pageTank Dell
NegativeInjury35:53
Mike Golic Jr. notes that the Texans are dealing with receiver injuries, specifically mentioning Tank Dell is still in the process of coming back.
Insight pageTravis Hunter
PositiveBreakout58:51
Travis Hunter has the potential to emerge as a superstar for the Jaguars this season.
Insight pageTua Tagovailoa
NegativeInjury185:51
Preseason performance suggests Tua Tagovailoa should not be starting, leading to speculation that the Dolphins are preparing to transition to Michael Penix Jr.
Insight pageTucker Kraft
PositiveUsage51:52
Tucker Kraft is a vital piece of the Packers' offense; his presence on the field is necessary for the team to maintain its top-five offensive status.
Insight pageTyler Shough
PositiveProjection72:21
Mina Kimes remains optimistic about the offense and believes the arrow is pointing up for Tyler Shough.
Insight pageXavier Worthy
PositiveRole63:18
There is anticipation regarding whether Xavier Worthy will see an expanded role in the Chiefs' offense this season.
Insight pageFull transcript
Episode Transcript
0:00Welcome back to the Mina Kimes Show featuring Lenny, only NFL podcast.
0:04One of the hosts pulled up the fantasy rankings, saw Cook Lamb and thought, delicious.
0:09That's Lenny. I'm Mina Kimes. I'm looking at them right now because I'm in the middle of my fantasy prep, which has briefly interrupted my team draft prep.
0:18Yes, folks, it's here. The annual Mina Kimes Show featuring Lenny, Team Draft with Mike Golic Jr.
0:23Is this year seven? We've been doing this for a very long time, Mike.
0:28It's crazy to think about that it has been going on this long.
0:32So excited to be back. This is one of my favorite yearly rituals, a good chance to take stock of the league
0:39and in this case, come in basking in the glow of championship glory yet again.
0:44All right. So let's just start here. Okay. So for those who have not listened, we do this every year.
0:51We've been doing it forever. Very long time. We draft teams.
0:54We take turns drafting teams. It's back and forth based on the number of wins we get, but also whether we think
1:01they're going to make it to the playoffs, whether they think they're going to make the Super Bowl, etc., etc.
1:08There's a point system, which I will get to in a second.
1:12Sam Hoppin, friend of the show, always tabulates the results for us, which is very nice because I just were too lazy to do it.
1:20And there's no easy way for me to say this.
1:23Mike whooped me last year and went back to back.
1:26As Sam put it, it's a dynasty building. Many are wondering and asking the Kansas City Chiefs of the Mina Kimes show
1:34featuring Lenny have rolled into town, baby. So just to revisit the results, you killed me so badly that by the time
1:41we get the Super Bowl, it was already over before in part because you know almost entirely because you had not only
1:48both teams that were in the Super Bowl. You drafted both.
1:51I have the picks in front of me, the Patriots and the Seahawks, which were incredibly pick incredible picks, by the way,
1:59because neither of them went in the top 10 of our draft last year.
2:03Wild. But you also had the Broncos. And so the way the system works, worked is you got a huge bump for
2:10making it to the conference championship and the Super Bowl.
2:14So much so that you were ahead by like 40 something points by the time the Super Bowl went around.
2:20So look. Oh, boy. I upon revisiting these results and thinking through some past ones in the spirit of trying to create more competitive parody.
2:28I do feel that there's a little too many points for it's a little bit too backloaded because I feel like I
2:35just want to ensure and this is just pure, unbiased, neutral commissioner of the fancy draft speaking or the team's draft rather.
2:42I want the regular season to matter. OK, I want it to matter that you're picking teams that get wins.
2:49You get one point for each one of the regular season.
2:52So my suggestion here is that instead of going, we went 10, 10 for 10 for the championship, 10 for the Super Bowl.
3:00It's one point for everyone still. And then five points for playoffs, five points for making division round, five points for the
3:07championship, five points for the Super Bowl, five points for winning the Super Bowl.
3:12Just to make it a little more exciting up till the very end to create some stakes.
3:17How do you feel about this? Buddy, listen. Whatever you need to stay in the fight, I'm willing to support.
3:24I understand. It's my fault. We were too good over here at Team Bullock.
3:28Oh, brother. And you know what? Quite honestly, I'm used to this.
3:32People that have been around, to your point, for the duration, the long time that we've been doing this, are very familiar
3:39with the minute things go good for my team.
3:42Mina coming in with a rule change or a points tweak the next season.
3:47We're starting with a blank slate this year. This could backfire for me.
3:51I could pick the teams in the Super Bowl and then I'll have egg on my face at the end.
3:57I just want to point that out. There is no inherent advantage that this gives to either of us.
4:04I'm just trying to make it more equitable. With that said, I did have pick one last year.
4:09You have pick one this year. We change it every year.
4:13What a year to have pick one. We were talking about fantasy football before and I was saying I think it's like
4:20an incredible year to have pick one in the fantasy drafts.
4:24Mike, with those new revised rules in mind, thinking about wins, playoff wins, Super Bowl prospects.
4:29Who is going to be your first pick in the 2026 Mina Kimes teams draft?
4:34Listen, blessed, honored to have the first pick. I'm very excited for it.
4:38Very excited for it to line up. And I feel like I'm doing you a favor in this because I'm going to pick the Los Angeles Rams.
4:47Too big to fail. I'm not reinventing the wheel on this one, but we're recording this well after we've gotten the announcement.
4:54Aaron Donald's coming back. All that good stuff. This summer's it, girl, in the NFL, and they are going to be a
5:01part of Team Gola can help me win this thing.
5:04We don't have to get into it too much.
5:07It's kind of the easy, the obvious pick. I mean, the expectations are just extraordinary for this team, though, I will say.
5:14Right? Like, if they – I mean, so I'll do next week.
5:18I'll do my, obviously, my first NFL preview of the week.
5:22And if they drop week one to San Francisco, which, by the way, I probably won't pick San Francisco outright, but it's
5:29entirely possible given who's – everything, you know, the Niners are still a very good team.
5:34They're getting them at the beginning of the year before the injury is notably at – sorry, Niners fans.
5:40Kyle Shanahan, if there's anyone who can figure out how to potentially scheme against this defense, it's him.
5:46The reactions that would result if they lose that week one game are going to be – would be insane.
5:53It's the best for us that work in this job.
5:56And I just love that we also have now, like, the styles make fights in terms of travel plans for these two teams that everyone's going to debate.
6:05The 49ers left today for Australia, and the Rams don't leave until next week.
6:10It's insane. So, yeah, no, it would be wild to watch, ultimately inconsequential.
6:14But it's getting to the point now where, going into this, I knew I was going to pick the Rams, but I
6:21genuinely have started to wonder, are we getting too big to fail?
6:25Like, are we all just so drunk off that?
6:28The answer is probably no. I think that's still going to be an awesome team.
6:33Probably no. I think, you know, there's a cost to the super team approach, which is a lack of depth.
6:39Right. There's a few positions on the Rams, not defensive line.
6:43They're extraordinarily deep there. It's actually also all offense.
6:46I've talked about this incessantly. You know, we don't need to get into it.
6:50We're still, at this point, waiting to see what happens with their left tackle, Eric Jackson, offensive line, receiver.
6:56You know, it's not like this, you can, whatever.
6:59Anyways, I actually would argue that's the bigger cost than the money in the long term because the way their cap is structured, they're actually not that.
7:08They're going to have to make some tough choices with contracts in the future.
7:13Obviously, Nakua, some other players, Kobe Turner, Byron Young, et cetera.
7:16There are costs, guys. But, all right, we don't need Seahawks to talk about it too much.
7:22So, here's the thing. I've got pick two. In some ways, the Seahawks are actually a risky pick because they play in
7:29the same division as the number one team, which makes it less likely, one, there's a wins cost to that.
7:35Obviously, they have to go head-to-head with them or a wins risk.
7:39But also, it makes it harder for them to advance in the playoffs, et cetera.
7:44But I'm going to go with Seattle here for two reasons, one of which is the AFC to me is just so much murkier.
7:52There's a few really good teams, but there's more of a cluster where I view the NFC as like a big two, right?
7:59And then the other thing is I just think the Seahawks are a damn good team with a defense that might actually be able to handle this.
8:08We'll see they're playing in week 16, week 18, which I actually think is good for the Seahawks, by the way, because
8:15that defense, I think, is going to be better at the end of the year due to some injuries.
8:22And a defensive court or coach, rather, who might be the best defensive play card in the NFL.
8:27I talked about if there's anyone on offense who can figure this out.
8:32It's Shanahan. Defense is Mike McDonald. So, I feel good about Seattle here.
8:36I think I feel good about both sides of the ball.
8:39I feel good about special teams looking at the FTN fantasy projections for DVOA, and they've got Seattle projected in special teams at second.
8:47The Rams at 26. We talked a lot about how that was a factor last year.
8:52Yeah, they've got Seattle projected this. I thought was really interesting as the number one defense.
8:58That's not part six in offense, which I think was really interesting because the Seattle offense was kind of a little bit up and down last year.
9:06So, I'm going Seattle for my number one pick.
9:09I think, plus they get to play the nobody believes in this card, which no Super Bowl champs ever get to.
9:16All right. Now it gets interesting. Pick three. Yes.
9:19And this is where I'm fascinated to see where this all goes, but in the interest of not overthinking it, like I made a spreadsheet this year.
9:28I'm doing way too much for this considering my recent success.
9:31But whether it's the spreadsheets, whether it's the vibes, I'm going to take the bills here still.
9:37Okay. I think this is a team that we've talked all off season very clearly identified Sean McDermott as like the lone
9:44problem with what was keeping them going based on the changes they've made.
9:48So, Joe Brady ascends. Jim Leonard comes over on defense.
9:52The inexact fit of some of the personnel there for a roster that's certainly interesting.
9:56DJ Moore, can he be the answer to your prayers at wide receiver?
10:01I just think the baseline for them of an offensive line that even without David Edwards, who now is part of the
10:08New Orleans Saints, who we'll get to later, this is still going to be one of the best rushing attacks in the NFL.
10:15Josh Allen still lives here. And I do think, you know, in the wake of Sean McDermott, who helped lift them through
10:22so much, kind of like a very Nixian feel to this.
10:26Jim Leonard's always been someone who everyone's kind of looked at as one of those future darlings did a great job, obviously,
10:33with the secondary with the Broncos last year. So, I have enough confidence in them to say, hey, even in the AFC
10:40East where you got the defending Super Bowl representatives that they can get it done.
10:45I am so interested in seeing this Jim Leonard defense on the field.
10:49The Bills offense right now is going to be sick.
10:53I understand, like Joe Brady, going to head coach, that there could be some issues there.
10:58We'll see if DJ Moore is the man coverage solution that they've been desperately looking for, et cetera, et cetera.
11:04But the floor of this offense was already so high.
11:08It's like, all right, your receiver group got better.
11:10I think maybe like offensive line health, that could be a thing because they've just been fortunate in many sense.
11:17But, you know, I'm not worried about them. The defense is another story.
11:21Like, I truly have not quite figured out how I feel about this unit.
11:26I think it was a little slept on how awful in run defense they were last year.
11:31Whenever we talk about Josh Allen, the pressure, and it's like Josh Allen ain't in the A gap.
11:37So I don't know. Everybody loves Jim Leonard. Obviously, like you said, so respected in college.
11:42Last with a very successful Denver defense. But I think this is one where, you know what?
11:48It's funny, Mike. Like, we might not know. Week one, they have the Texans, which is an unbelievable game.
11:54And it's like we get to see a top three offense against a top three defense, arguably higher for both.
12:00But, like, I don't know how much we're going to learn about the Bills run defense against Houston, per se.
12:07Well, I guess we will if Houston can run on them.
12:11Yes. Although, again, there's a lot of interesting there, the Houston offensive line.
12:15But I'm with you. That's a good litmus test very early on for have you helped anything?
12:20I was just looking and getting ready for this and didn't realize, and obviously he's a crowd favorite on this podcast.
12:27Greg Gaines signed after the cutdowns by them. So, the more you know.
12:31More of a gap shooter. Like, I just don't know if they have the right pieces on this defensive line necessarily.
12:38Anyways, I think it's a good pick. They'll be awesome.
12:41All right. I'm up next. I'm deciding between two teams.
12:45I'm going to take the Broncos here. They were the next up on my list as well.
12:50I mean, the team is just so stacked. Even, you know, I talked about the Jonathan Cooper suspension, or it's not suspended, but being missing games.
12:59But it was interesting to, like, they're so stacked that losing their second best pass rusher doesn't freak you out because of
13:06how good the rest of the defense is. I think it's an offense that is going to be better with Jalen Waddell.
13:13It's interesting. Projections are a little bit lower on them than you might think, like a lot of projections.
13:19And I think there's just some belief that there'll be regression and turnovers and maybe both make skepticism.
13:25I just think this is an extremely deep, extremely well-coached team.
13:29I would be surprised if they don't win a zillion games.
13:32Yeah, this is, I mean, our buddy Dominique Foxworth, man after my own heart, always talks about, like, hey, just start in
13:39the trenches when you're doing preview work. And for the Broncos on the O&D line to be as stacked as they are
13:46and as proven as they are, for all of that to be continuity that you can count on, to me, just sets
13:54such a great baseline for your team. In a division, too, like we always talk about that factor in this where, all
14:01right, hey, we're all really high on the Chargers who are already having the offensive line house of horror stuff happen.
14:07The Kansas City Chiefs are trying to kind of negotiate the next version of this after not changing a ton on offense outside of Ken Walker.
14:16So it also does seem like a division that still lines up for them to walk in on the most solid footing.
14:23All right. Who you got next? All right. Again, not trying to play too much division math too soon here.
14:30I know who you're going to take, I think.
14:33I have a very strong suspicion. And I'm okay.
14:35I'm going to put it in my head. Oh, wow.
14:39All right. Now I'm very interested in this. I'm going to go with the Ravens here.
14:44That's what I thought you were going to take.
14:47Yeah. That was my next team. Are we just doing Lucy with the football here with the Ravens?
14:53Pick them to win the AFC North. Yeah. I'm very enthusiastic about this defense.
14:57I think the offense is going to be fine, even though there's a lot of changes there.
15:03Is it like, are we, I guess like, is it, are we being too optimistic given that it's like new head coach,
15:10so many new coaches and I don't know. Question marks.
15:13I, I, I, I guess so. Like I sues, I sues.
15:17Yeah. I sues some of that fear with like Jesse Minner's got a good institutional knowledge there.
15:22And kind of like we talked about, like another one of those guys, that's just such a proven commodity at this point
15:29that the Ravens defense that had taken such a step back since Mike McDonald left town seems ready to burst through the
15:37door on the other side in a way that I'm really excited for both big Kyle Hamilton fans, like watching the role
15:44he's going to play in this defense, like having a lot of their core parts healthy in that front seven here and
15:51the way they beat up on the commanders in camp.
15:54That's giving them existential dread. Like it all helps, but then offensively too, like it sounds like Lamar is in a good head space.
16:02I've talked before on with you. I think one of the pods we did Dwayne led for the O-line coach that's come
16:09over is a guy that I love. Venga Juana was one of my favorite picks in the draft, trying to rebuild the house in front of Lamar.
16:18So I just think him healthy and in the right place combined with a defense that's going to, I think, ascend quickly
16:25back into the ranks that we were used to has me pretty bullish still.
16:29So the Ravens have the 28th hardest schedule. So there's also that according to FTM fantasy, thanks to, you know, missing the
16:37playoffs and they have seen North in general. They all have brief, but yeah, missing the playoffs last year certainly helped.
16:43Yeah. I am very high on this team and it's kind of one of those things where I'm trying to heat check myself here.
16:51Yeah. Um, I really am very curious. I cannot wait to see how Lamar Jackson is moving out there.
16:57Folks were posting clips of him from just two years ago or no, no, three years.
17:03It was clips of him escaping Aaron Donald. Did you see any of those that started going around with the Aaron Donald on retirement news?
17:11And it's so, I mean, there's just some insane plays, but it's so wild to watch how Lamar was moving in 2023
17:18and think through last year and how he was just not escaping.
17:22Um, so I, I'm, I think he was hurt last year and he seems by all counts healthy this season.
17:28And it's just such a differentiating factor, not from a rushing standpoint alone, but just the pocket mobility that he used to
17:35have in the escapability, which, and I think last year too, like he took a zillion sacks, right?
17:41I think there's, it's really hard if you're a guy who's accustomed to moving a certain way to deal with a new normal.
17:49Right. And I think that was a big part of why he took so many sacks.
17:54He's like, well, I'm Lamar Jackson. I can get out of the grass here.
17:58Like I can buy another two seconds. And it was like, actually you can't last year, but this year should be different.
18:06And that affects everyone too. In the offense, it affects how you protect it or affects the guys in the receiver room
18:13that are used to being able to stay available for that.
18:16So yes, totally with you on that. All right.
18:19Uh, so that you, we had my big five here that you've taken everyone who I had at my five.
18:26I've taken my first two. I am deciding between two teams and I'm going to go with a team.
18:32It's so funny. Cause this is my second team.
18:35That's in a division you've taken. I'm going Patriots.
18:38Okay. A little higher, maybe than some, obviously the schedule is harder this year.
18:42I've been saying this all off season. I just think this Patriots team is better than the team that went to the Superbowl last year.
18:50And I know everyone's down on them because of the schedule and maybe because of what we saw from Drake Bay in the post season.
18:59And maybe because of Mike Vrabel's, you know, disastrous off season.
19:02I don't know what the word I was looking for.
19:05Um, but like, I just take a step back and looking at this team and the offense in particular, it's really good.
19:13I do worry a little bit about the lack of edge depth, but I think, and obviously the Christian Gonzalez contract stuff's
19:20kind of looming, but I just think they're too talented.
19:23And we've already seen such a baseline of quarterback play that I'm kind of surprised there's such negative sentiment around them.
19:30I feel like this is one where the nerds have won to an extent because we all are so versed in regression
19:37talk now and everyone sees the signs for new England.
19:40The schedule was such a topic of conversation. And to the Drake may point, we also had the bad press up front for the offensive line.
19:49And for will Campbell that I think got exacerbated based on, like, we love to talk about injuries and then forget them completely.
19:56See Baker Mayfield and pretty much every time he winds up in a contract year, but with will Campbell on that.
20:03Now this group that added more depth with the Caleb Lomo pick, you know, move Jared Wilson to the position he's better at in center.
20:11Like I get it asking Elijah Vera Tucker to stay healthy is a tall order, but in general, like I think they're
20:18better there than they got credit for on that run where their rookies got stress test by some of the best defenses in the NFL.
20:26And I'm with you. You add on top of that, but yeah, now you've got AJ Brown that lives there too.
20:33I I'm with you. I think we're overcooking this one a bit this off season.
20:38I don't love that you have the Rams and bills and I have the Seahawks and Patriots.
20:43We're like not even favorites to win their own division.
20:47I'm looking at this and I'm like, oh, no about that.
20:50Um, you're up next. Who do you got? All right.
20:54I am going to go. Hmm. Again, I'm looking at my division winners here.
20:58This. Yeah. I mean, they're like, we, you know, there is definitely an advantage to picking the team that wins the division.
21:05Um, I am going to go. I'll go with the Texans.
21:09Okay. I'll a lot of that is rooted, you know, in obviously the defense is the easiest cell known to man, especially
21:16in a division where we're kind of looking at what everyone's identity is going to be.
21:21Can Liam Cohen and the Jags hold success in year two?
21:25What do the Colts look like with all the injuries to the offensive battery and relying on Daniel Jones coming off that
21:32it's like, all right, I know I can trust this Texans defense at Will Anderson jr.
21:37To go out here and saw heads off. And I don't want to get too high in the preseason because it's a
21:44liar, but I do like some of the moves that Houston's made up front in protecting CJ Stroud a lot better.
21:51Now the receiver injuries, unfortunately reared its head already tank Dell still coming back the Higgins stuff.
21:57Like it's not a great sign for them there, but like the, the Keelan Rutledge ad and what it signals about the
22:04direction of this team and the attitude he seemed to have brought to that group that desperately needs it has me a bit excited on what they can.
22:13Why didn't I take the Texans? He like grabs so much.
22:16I didn't need it already. Oh, I don't know why I had them on my list and like my eyes just completely
22:24glazed over them for some reason and went to the Patriots.
22:27We thank you for this gift over here at team goal.
22:31Like I hate this draft. I hate it already about changing the scores and the scoring system.
22:36Um, how wild it was it that Nick Casario was like, yeah, Keelan Rogers is our best offensive lineman.
22:42It's that's a wild thing for a GM to say.
22:46It's really like, it makes you think about like, Oh, line scouting for years.
22:50I've said post like 2011 CBA. Cause you don't get a lot of practice.
22:55You need guys that are a little bit more ready to go, but as much as anything, if you're scouting interior alignment,
23:02I want like the most boring guy possible. Who seems like he might have a screw loose.
23:07And once I read reports that he was trying to fight everyone on that Texans defensive front during camp, I said, Oh,
23:15they knew exactly the kind of sicko they were getting in this like played for an O line coach in college at
23:22Georgia tech always looked like he was bleeding out of his face.
23:26That's exactly what you want from an interior guy.
23:28Who's going to anchor your group for a decade.
23:31Really interested in watch. We talked about Texans bills watching this Texans run game.
23:36Cause it's a relatively soft start for them with all due respect to the bills.
23:41You know, they were awful and run defense last year.
23:44We'll see if they've improved. It's kind of like Texans run game versus bills.
23:49Run defense is a, who still sucks matchup. Stoppable force meets movable object.
23:53Um, no, I think about it. I feel like Casario has been so good at everything except for offensive line where he's been kind of fairly disastrous.
24:02I feel like he's like, I got one. I got one guys.
24:06No, you guys, you don't understand this one's different.
24:08Uh, okay. Well, man, I hate, uh, already it's such a unique feeling in fantasy football.
24:14People know when you already know, like at three rounds in that your draft sucks.
24:19That's how I feel. Um, okay. Oh God. Oh God.
24:22I am up next. And I am going to go with.
24:25The. I just feel like being crazy now. Ooh, come on.
24:29I was going to say, if you're there, you might as well already go.
24:33F it. Give me the Dallas Cowboys. Ooh, there she goes.
24:37I just feel like I need some high variance picks.
24:40I love it. Um, I need a team that can hypothetically go deep into the playoffs.
24:45So I picked the Dallas Cowboys. Well, when you say it out loud, it sounds really scary, but what am I doing?
24:53All right. Now here's what I'm doing is a top five offense.
24:57This is going to be one of the most improved defenses in football.
25:01And I'll say it. I'm worried about Philadelphia. Am I crazy picking the Cowboys over the Eagles?
25:06No, I think this is one I've wrestled with a lot because I think on both sides, right?
25:12You have a lot of narrative energy that clouds the picture for these teams.
25:17The Jalen hurts Nick Sirianni conversation, the throwing over the middle of the field and Sean Mannion's offense versus the Cowboys.
25:23Notable history of postseason ineptitude and a defense that like, you know, Christian Parker's got his work cut out for him coming in this year.
25:32But to your point, like, I think the, for me, the Cowboys and the Bengals are in the same bucket where it's
25:39like, Hey, just get the defense to average. And the offense is going to be so good that things are going to
25:46be a lot of fun for you. So I don't hate this pick.
25:50Like, I think watching how complete, how complete Brian Schottenheimer's offense looked and seeing how much, like, I think for them and
25:57you tell me dodging any sort of George Pickens shrapnel so far in the offseason for a guy you tagged who seems
26:04to be going about it, balling out in camp, playing on the franchise tag to me, wasn't on the bingo card.
26:11All right. You're building it back up. You're next.
26:14You're feeling better. Well, I don't know. I hate my team.
26:18Give me the Eagles. It's fine. You know what?
26:21You won. Oh, you got the argument. Take the Eagles.
26:24All right. Come on. Take them. Fine. Whatever. After you said all that.
26:28I just, you know, I got to have some insurance in the East and the big Fangio's defense still looks like it could be pretty good.
26:37So. You worried about the offense after this offseason?
26:39A little bit. I will. So, you know. Yeah.
26:42I just, I feel like the, to me, as long as the offensive line's healthy and last year it was just a
26:50group that was so gnarled for so much of the year in key spots.
26:54Like, having Landon Dickerson and Lane, who, listen, could still very much be in the cards for that this year.
27:01I mean, when you have two guys flirting with retirement, reportedly, for that long in the offseason, it's not usually a great sign.
27:08Stoutland U is gone. So, there's a lot of change there.
27:12But, you know, listening to Jordan Mylava talk about, like, how invigorated it sounds like this group is.
27:17I think we're probably underrating some of that. And, you know, the Jalen part, we'll see.
27:23Again, betting on him, still pretty good, even if I don't think he's going to be one of the top, you know,
27:3010, 8 guys on a week-in, week-out basis. I'm up next.
27:33I actually, now I like this pick. I'm taking the Detroit Lions here.
27:38I like this pick. Yeah. Schedules just start here.
27:41You know, it's just awful. I mean, have you looked at the Lions?
27:45I talked about this when I was doing the NFC North.
27:48Like, take a second and look at their schedule.
27:51Like, pull it up. And, like, because I really want you to see.
27:56It's one of those things where we can look at the FTN projections, and it's like, wow, that's the third easiest schedule in football.
28:03But it's really something to read me some of the teams.
28:07Oh, all right. Here we go. Week one, you're home against New Orleans.
28:11You're on the road at Buffalo in week two.
28:14But then home versus the Jets at Carolina, at Arizona, home versus the Packers and the Vikings at Miami versus New England.
28:21Then you get the Buccaneers, the Bears, Atlanta, Tennessee, Minnesota, New York, Chicago, and Green Bay.
28:26Like, outside of the division. My God. I'm just racking up W's.
28:30Yeah, the division's impossible to pick, but holy mackerel.
28:33I think the Lions offense is going to be awesome.
28:36Defense, you know, Lions fans have been a little bit, like, prickly because I've just been saying every NFC North defense outside of Minnesota is trash.
28:45No, trash is. Sorry. Too strong. It has problems.
28:48And they have correctly pointed out that it's a defense.
28:51And Robert Mace pointed this out, too, that, like, despite all the injuries, like, was actually statistically not horrible last year.
28:58I just really struggle with that depth chart. But I think the offense is good enough to compensate for it.
29:04I think offense plus schedule. I think they're going to.
29:08I have been consistently picking them to win the division.
29:11So I'm going to go Detroit. Oof. All right.
29:14That's honestly probably my pick to win the division at that point.
29:18I know we'll have a conversation about the Packers here potentially soon and how bullish everyone is because it seems like there's the least amount of change there.
29:27But, man, that schedule was really a good pick for you there.
29:31All right. I'm back up here. Let's see. Who do I have next on the board?
29:36Yes. So we're 10 teams in, by the way, right now.
29:3910 teams. 10 teams in. Do I want to head division or do I want to start to try?
29:46I know. This is where. Yeah, because we're really trying to pick division winners early on.
29:51Now you're thinking about who could be the wild card.
29:54That's kind of my team so far is all wild cards.
29:58Fine. It's fine. I don't care. I like it.
30:01You're next. You know what? I. I can see you're wrestling.
30:04I will go the Packers next just so I have some.
30:08Some NFC North. Some NFC North insurance there because I'm with you, like, especially with the Kyler Murray wild card in Minnesota,
30:15like the Bears, another regression candidate like that defense just seems like that could be a real rough time.
30:21I'll bet on some stability in Green Bay, even, you know, obviously the Josh Jacobs suspension or whatever that's going to be
30:28in the commissioner's exempt list will make things interesting at least to start.
30:32But I mean, everyone else seems excited. Like maybe just Jordan love throwing the ball around more the way people want.
30:39So I'll go them. Yeah, I think the Packers are a good pick because even if they don't win the division, they could make a playoff run.
30:48It's kind of how I regard them, which is to say it's going to be a tale of two seasons pre and post Micah Parsons returning from injury.
30:57So the Packers defense is likely to look a lot better at the end of the year than the beginning.
31:04And then there are also, I think, somewhat of a high, I wouldn't say high variance because I think the offense will always be good.
31:12But if Christian, I've been saying this all about Christian Watson, Tucker, Christian Washington, Tucker Craft are out there.
31:18This is a top five offense. If either of them are injured, it's not.
31:22So like if you hit the playoffs and Micah looks healthy and he's back to being Micah, Christian Watson and Tucker Craft are out there.
31:31This team could win the Super Bowl. Like I genuinely believe that even with the offensive line questions.
31:36However, they could also that's like a lot of big ifs.
31:40I said, you know, so it is. I'm weirdly bullish on their offensive line this year.
31:45Tell me, but talk about it. I just, for whatever reason, seeing a lot of them in preseason, hearing some of the
31:52stuff out of camp, like the fact that like you get a quality depth piece.
31:57Yeager Burton was one of the stories of camp.
32:00Like I turned on some of the Packers games and just started watching.
32:04I'm like, this guy's pancaking Zach Allen in their game against the Broncos.
32:09Looks like he developed a lot in camp. And like, you just look along the lines of scrimmage.
32:14I thought they drafted well. You got him in the fifth.
32:18Chris McClellan, who seems like he's going to be a strong factor on the defensive front, was a third round pick for them.
32:25And so I just think to be able to kind of bolster in there.
32:30To your point, the defense was a totally different unit without Micah.
32:34But offensively, their offensive line is one I'm keeping my eye on.
32:38I feel like that group has a chance to take a decent step forward this year, especially if they can stay healthy.
32:45I'm optimistic about Jordan Morgan after watching him too last season, you know?
32:49And I think, look, this Packers offense, I feel like we question about the offensive line every year and then they just kind of make it work.
32:58So we'll see. All right. I'm up next. I'm going to take another bit of a swing here and kind of hedge one of your division picks.
33:07I'm going to take the Jacksonville Jaguars, who are – I've been talking big game about how I'm a Jags enthusiast, how I'm Duval adjacent.
33:15And I feel like I've got to walk the walk here and take my Jaguars, who I think have one of the
33:22more balanced teams in the entire NFL, right? Like so many teams where it's like, can the Texans offense be average?
33:29Can the Cowboys defense be average? I already know the Jags potentially top 10 in both units.
33:34Really believe that. But very good head coach, who's the play caller, brought back the defensive play caller, who was excellent as well.
33:42You know, Trevor Lawrence, I know it makes some people nervous.
33:45Can he put together over the course of a season?
33:49But I am pretty optimistic this season about Jacksonville.
33:52It would be pretty wild. And like, again, how you measured that.
33:55But again, we were searching for wins in this.
33:58We went back and looked it up when we were doing team previews on our show.
34:04You know when the last time the Jags won back-to-back seasons with double-digit wins?
34:08Was it the Bortles 2017? What was it? It was, and I'm going back to double-check now just to be sure.
34:151998-1999 season was the last time the Jags won double-digit games in back-to-back years.
34:19So Liam Cohen is intending what has not happened in the 21st century for Jacksonville this year.
34:25What would concern you the most for this team?
34:28Because I do think that division is one that, despite me peaking the Texans, I think is pretty open, especially with Jacksonville and the foundation they have.
34:37Where's the Achilles heel for you? If I had to rank concerns, one would be the offensive line.
34:43Two, and whether or not the run game can be better than what it was in the second half last season.
34:49Two would be the loss of Devin Lloyd affecting the linebackers in the run defense, which was exceptional last season.
34:56And then I guess three would be just Trevor.
34:59You know, again, I really like him, but he's just got it putting together an entire season, I think, of really high-level play.
35:06So I think that would be the order in which I would rank them as well.
35:11But like, that's not that. Those concerns, like compared to some of the other ones, if you'd ask me the same question, are actually pretty small.
35:20Like, love the coaching staff. Like a lot of the players.
35:23They're kind of like the team of very good, right?
35:27Like they have a lot of very good players instead of like outright superstars.
35:31But maybe Travis Hunter becomes a superstar. Maybe Brian Thomas Jr.
35:35returns to form. So I don't know. I feel good about them.
35:39All right, you're next. Starting to like my team again.
35:42All right, there we go. We got Mina confidence overflowing in the middle of this draft here.
35:47All right. I need... What have I not picked yet?
35:51I've got AFC East, AFC North, AFC South, NFC West, NFC North.
35:55We've got the... Ooh, okay. Hmm. We've hit every division but one, I believe.
35:59But one. And still, I think this is where I'm going to take the Chiefs.
36:04Damn it. Which I think this has... I wanted the Chiefs!
36:08In the history of the time we've done this, is this, I mean, far and away the lowest the Chiefs have ever been picked, right?
36:16I think you took the Chiefs with the first overall pick last year, if I believe.
36:21And you still won, which... Damn. Dripping with venom in that sense.
36:25Oh, I really wanted the Chiefs. I did. But yeah, I think, again, getting to buy low on a team with the
36:32core level of experience that these guys do. And, you know, early in the season, we'll see, like, it seems like by
36:39all accounts, everyone expects with Eric Biennemi back in the fold, with Mahomes coming off the injury, with Kenneth Walker coming in
36:46there, and the strength of your team hopefully being still along that interior offensive line.
36:51Like, heavy doses of run on the menu. And then, can the young guys step up on defense in enough time to kind of get the cavalry home?
37:00Because that was the one thing that surprisingly felt stale towards the end of last year, was just the defense and all
37:07the haymaker answers you used to have were all of a sudden punches that were getting stopped by everyone else.
37:14The Chiefs, you never want to read too much into the preseason, but the draft class is looking pretty nice.
37:20And that matters, because they're going to need them, especially on defense.
37:24Our Mason Thomas. This looks good, man. Mansoor Delane looks as advertised.
37:28So, yeah. I think the Chiefs offense, it's just so funny, because even as, like, much as we hated it last year
37:35and crapped on it, it was still, like, statistically mostly fine.
37:39That's another one where week one, I really want to see how Patrick Mahomes is moving.
37:44And I want to see their offensive approach. Like, are they really committed to running the ball with Kenneth Walker from under center?
37:52Are they going to play action off of that?
37:55Who's going to be the primary? You know what I mean?
37:58Like, is Xavier Worthy going to finally have a bigger role?
38:02That I'm interested in seeing it. But, yeah, I wanted the Chiefs just because even though I don't think the Chiefs are
38:09going to win the division, they're a team where if they're there in January, it's like, you know.
38:15Yep. It's Patrick Mahomes. All right. I'm up. Here's where I will take the San Francisco 49ers.
38:20Oh, okay. Look, a lot of bad vibes right now with all the injuries and ongoing.
38:25You know what? I just realized I almost said Dajon Love.
38:29Like, that was an actual. I was wondering if that was happening there.
38:33You've internalized it so much. Like, internalized it as an actual factor on the team.
38:38Um, here's the thing. It's Kyle Shanahan. He can put together a top eight defense.
38:43In his sleep off of, you know, two hours of sleep in Australia while the Rams come in rested or whatever.
38:50We'll see how that works out. Um, there's enough here.
38:53Especially, like, yes, I understand it sucks that Ricky Pierce saw.
38:57It sucks that, um, Mike Evans is still, like, a little bit banged up.
39:01But you tell me they have McCaffrey, Kittle, Stribbling, honestly, the way he looks.
39:06It's Kyle Shanahan, man. Brock Purdy's a good quarterback.
39:09It's enough. Offensive line is fine. You know, I'll be interested in seeing.
39:13It's a little risky because, like, what do Warner and Bosa look like coming off of the injury?
39:19We just don't. You know, I really want to see that.
39:22But, um, this was a team that won a cillion games last year with half of the damn team out.
39:29So it's always obviously risky because of the NFC West as well.
39:33But, like, I just feel that there's enough of a floor here to where if they somehow do miraculously get better health,
39:40the ceiling is as high as most of the, like, almost every team in the NFL outside of the top three.
39:47Yeah, I think, I mean, they kind of proved last year right.
39:50The rest of the house can burn down in as long as Christian McCaffrey is there and the offensive line is at least somewhat intact.
39:59You can kind of proceed moving forward. So, yeah, I'm with you.
40:02This team last year in their form going toe-to-toe with what we knew of the NFC West last year had no reason to be happening and yet did.
40:12So I'm with you. Kyle Shanahan will always have a defender in me.
40:16All right. We got one more pick in the first half.
40:19Who you got? I am going to take. All right.
40:23Honestly, believe it. It's about winning games. I'm going to go the Bengals here.
40:27Damn it. Easiest schedule in football. Guarding that DN.
40:30I feel like you're a step ahead of me.
40:33Every pick. You're just like right before I want to take these teams.
40:37All right. Sorry. The Bengals. The AFC Cowboys. The AFC Cowboys.
40:41Did you catch the Bengals offensive line discourse this week?
40:44Oh, man. I thankfully managed to like stay far enough away to not get too overwhelmed by it.
40:50But where do you fall on this? I mean, they've been the easy punching bag for so long.
40:56But yes, like they're trotting back out the same group that I think the reputation has not caught up to reality at all for.
41:04I mean, they're fine. They've got some Mims is like legit a stud.
41:08Fairchild look good. Harris is competent center. Brown Jr.
41:11is probably the one I'm a little worried about.
41:14But that's not like compared. We look around the league.
41:17There's so many worse, like so many worse lines than the Bengals at this point.
41:22So how long do you think they actually stay committed to this idea of trying to live under center more and do
41:29some of that before Joe just says, get me back and gone?
41:33Actually, the schedule is something that I think could.
41:36Well, it's funny, right? Because I think I remember having I was thinking about this and then I looked at their week
41:43one opponent and it was yet the tamp of the box.
41:46And I remember thinking, oh, that's team. Red spread it out against them.
41:51So I think it might just be a game game like a situational thing.
41:55But they do need if they're committed to it.
41:58You need to it needs to be like a philosophy, right?
42:02Like because you want to make the run of the past look like each other.
42:07We want the offensive line to have comfort there.
42:09So I feel like we'll start to see it early on.
42:13And I think they're pretty committed to sticking with it.
42:16I don't know. I'm really interested in seeing if these two linebackers are improved.
42:21That's kind of the biggest limiting factor for me.
42:24But yeah, I wanted the Bengals. You got the right.
42:27God, your team so good. I hate it. All right.
42:30Now I got to pivot. I'm deciding between two teams.
42:34And you know what? This is where I shall take the bucks.
42:37Oh, I yeah. I've been I've been biding my time trying to see if I was going to get them super low.
42:45So in this case, I feel the ace. You stole this one at the exact right time, which I was curious about
42:52because I know you're very bullish on the Saints.
42:55The Tyson injury just broke me. Awful. It's like a rookie receiver.
42:59And I'm saying it's like, that's oh, wow. The Saints total season is going to look entirely different.
43:04But like. For me, the premise of the Saints was the defense kind of holding the serve with what we saw last year.
43:12And then the offense taking a leap forward with more weapons for Tyler shock.
43:16And, you know, this really super fun, well-matched one to punch with a lava and Tyson.
43:22Now Tyson's for those who don't know, they put him on the pop list, right?
43:26Or the he's going to pop. Yeah. All right.
43:29No, I think he's. I think it's I think it's pop.
43:33I think it's four games. But, you know, it's the hammy and he's got the hammy history.
43:39And I'd like got myself really excited about it.
43:41And I don't know. I just get I still I'm still optimistic about the offense.
43:46I still think the arrow is pointing out for Tyler shock.
43:50But the other thing about the box. But that's Ruben Bain Jr.
43:54coming out and that we talked about them as a preseason winner in week two was just a reminder.
44:00Like this is I had them as a top 10 defense on my defenses pod.
44:05And I'm feeling pretty good about that right now.
44:08So feel good about books. Yeah. Ruben Bain, another one like.
44:11Don't overthink stuff like that. Like that was that was the Kyle Hamilton conversation coming out of college all over again, where
44:18it's like there's a measurable deficiency that you want to point to for a player that all he does is ball.
44:25And again, along the lines of scrimmage, the Keelan Rutledge principle.
44:29Get the defensive end that plays like he's foaming at the mouth all the time.
44:34It seems to genuinely hate his opponent. That should be like a combine.
44:38Just like measure people's anger and show them things and see if like rage flares up, you know, upon looking at certain images.
44:45All right, let's take a quick break. Come back and do the second half of the team's draft.
44:51All right, we're back. We move a little faster with these picks.
44:55You're up next. As a reminder, Mike has the Rams, Bills, Ravens, Texans, Eagles, Packers, Chiefs and Bengals.
45:01I have the Seahawks, Broncos, Patriots, Cowboys, Lions, Jaguars, Niners and Bucks.
45:05Yes. All right. Where am I late right now?
45:08All right. I've got an AFC East and AFC West and two AFC North.
45:12Don't take him. Don't take him. AFC South. I've got an NFC East and NFC West.
45:18I know who I want. There's two teams I'm considering.
45:21I am going to go with. Let's go. I'll go with the Saints here.
45:25Okay. It's the first time he didn't take one of my teams.
45:29Yep. I panicked a little bit there and they were top of mind.
45:33So the window into my process that had a spreadsheet went completely wire.
45:38Many such cases. We've all been there drafting. That was me earlier taking, forgetting that the Texans existed, taking the Cowboys so early.
45:45But this is the part of the draft that makes the entire thing.
45:49Like to your point last year, so many of my wins came outside of those top ones.
45:55So now I'm starting to get nervous that this is where you've been biding your time for.
46:00And they're going to come in and swoop down.
46:03Like we don't have to spend any time on the Saints.
46:07We just talked about them. All your concerns there are the ones that were valid for me.
46:12The David Edwards signing at guard is a nice one that could be a capstone.
46:17Like I do like the young offensive tackles they've drafted in the last couple of years.
46:23You just need guys to stay healthy on the interior.
46:26And let's see what we can make happen. Give me the bears.
46:30I don't have a piece of the NFC. Oh, no, I had the lions.
46:34Crap. Wait, I'm pivoting. I'm taking it back. All right.
46:37Here we go. Sorry. It's fine. I get to take it back.
46:41Give me the chargers. Oh, okay. Yeah. So charges are very difficult schedule.
46:46Projections. The defense are not good. The schedule is a little bit scary, but I do think this is like top eight offense potential.
46:53Even with the interior offensive line injuries. It's a defense that literally like rubs into my face every year.
47:00Every year. I'm like, this isn't going to be amazing.
47:03And then they finished as a top 10 unit.
47:06New defense coordinator. A little bit concerning, but I think the offense will be good enough to cover up for any defensive aggression.
47:13I think, I think this offense is going to be awesome, man.
47:17Like I let's talk about that for a second.
47:20Like how much did the interior offensive line worries injuries?
47:23Were you given everything else that's going on with the charges offense?
47:27Mike Daniel effect, all of the other big bodies they've added as blockers.
47:31Do you, do you think McDaniel can cover up for it?
47:35I think he can help some. Like I, I do believe his style of offense and just how much he can present
47:42opposing defenses, how much of it is predicated on stuff that moves the quarterback and the launch point can smooth edges for the interior.
47:50At the same time, he had the bet, you know, one of the best centers in pro football last year.
47:56Like it was not like the dolphins O line was some slouch and you got a great tackle situation.
48:03You got a rookie plan center now in Jake slaughter, which is mildly concerning.
48:07And then the guard situation, like we'll see hearing Jim Harbaugh come out and talk about platooning guards.
48:13Didn't fill me with the warm fuzzies like Trey Pipkins in a competition at the left guard or it just, none of it felt really good to me.
48:22So I, I think that you can overcome it, but it automatically kind of the same way the, um, Jordan Tyson injury
48:29gave you back to you off the saints a little bit.
48:33Once I saw the Beatish injury, that was where all of a sudden I started to go.
48:38All right. I have to remember that I've been hurt before by this same situation.
48:43Yeah. I think the other thing I should just mention is like of all of the remaining teams, this is the only
48:50one I believe with a top 10 quarterback. Yeah.
48:53That alone gets you a certain number of wins.
48:56Probably. So I feel good about this. Even if I kind of tip my hand a little bit, maybe you're going to
49:03go in the direction that I initially did. You're next.
49:07It's bad. It's bad TV slash podcasting, but yeah, I'm going to take the Bears next, which I already have the Packers in that division.
49:15So it's a little bit of insurance. Like, obviously we know the defense is, looks like it's really going to be in
49:22trouble with that, you know, turnover regression man coming for payment, but offensively, it's another one.
49:27Like that's a group where, you know, the bears have been crying out for a 4,000 yard pass or Ben Johnson said
49:34he wants the best offense in NFL history. And like, at the very least they're going to have to be fun on that side.
49:42Cause I just don't think the defense is going to be able to stop anyone.
49:47Yeah. It's, um, it, it, it, it, it is one of those, like, can the defense even be like top 20 kind
49:54of situations, but the offense, I think we all agree is top 10 and could be higher.
50:00Um, Ben Johnson, I think is kind of earned the benefit of the doubt as well.
50:05Not just as a, uh, offensive play caller, but also as a just game manager, I think he's really good at this.
50:12So, you know, when we do this, like you talk about like betting on the trenches, I really like to just bet on coaches too.
50:20And I think in my coaching rankings, he's already fifth or something like, it's just absurd.
50:25Like he's, that was kind of something I think you do with the Jags.
50:30Like I just already feel like Liam Cohen has kind of established and Johnson's even higher than him.
50:36So I think that alone gives you a pretty good floor.
50:39All right. I'm up next. This is where things get a little bit freaky deaky.
50:44Um, so screw it. I'll take the Vikings. All right.
50:47I was wondering when they were going to come off the board here.
50:52Is this as simple as like, if Kyler's great, this team could actually way outperform performance.
50:57If Kyler's above average, this team could help perform, right?
51:00Like this is, I call them the Scooby-Doo team.
51:03You have three teams in the NFC North with awesome offenses and potentially awful defenses.
51:08And then you have one team that might be the only balanced team in the division.
51:13Now, a lot of questions, defenses, even some questions as well.
51:17But just feel like if, if you tell me at the end of the season that Kyler Murray was 14th, let's say
51:2414th in QBR, pick your quarterback stat. Where would you put this team?
51:28I mean, certainly in the mix for this division, especially with all of the like change in volatility elsewhere that we've talked about.
51:35So yeah, I, I, I think they could certainly be a contender for like an NFC wildcard spot for sure.
51:42I think if he's the 14th best quarterback in football, then this team could be winning the division for sure.
51:48All right. You're next. But yeah, we're getting ready to take our medicine here on some of these teams soon.
51:55I will go with the, I'll go with the Colts here.
51:58Okay. Yeah. That was there in my next year as well.
52:02Yep. I mean, starting to get in the range now flawed, but you know, if, if everything breaks right and you've got
52:09the offense that comes back and looks even half as good as it did at the beginning of last season, before the
52:16injuries took hold, then you got a group that can go be competitive in the South and win some games there.
52:23Maybe the Texans offense, you know, this is a little bit of a hedge if they just come back out and look dead dog average again.
52:32The Colts to me are, they're definitely a good pick for here are, you know, it's, we've talked about this a lot.
52:39So contingent on Jones's health, which we need to see Pierce's health.
52:43We'd still don't know if he's playing week one, but he should be available for, it's not like a serious injury.
52:49Like even if he's not there, we wonder if he's not a hundred percent, he should be fine over the course of the season.
52:57And the truth is like, even if Jones isn't what he was during those like miraculous six weeks, right?
53:03It's still probably a pretty good offense, right? Like Shane Steichen's really good at this really fun group of skill players.
53:10Some questions on the offensive line, some change there, but you've got your stalwarts.
53:15Defensively, they're a little bit, they were so average last year, but pool season of sauce Gardner don't entirely love the pass rush.
53:22You're very dependent on young players. CJ Allen, not sure what you're going to get out of him based on the preseason.
53:29So I, it's the ceiling is, I struggle to see, find the ceiling with this team, but I think the floor might be decent with them.
53:38Yep, exactly. And looking now 23rd ranked schedule. So not a gauntlet by any means, which is a product of playing in
53:45the South, but I'll go Colts there. I am looking at schedules right now and thinking through, um, and along those lines,
53:52two teams that I'm looking at very closely. I will go with the Steelers here.
53:57That was next up on my list. That's, um, easy schedule.
54:0124th. I said this when I did my AFC North preview, but I felt like upon revisiting the Steelers defense, I should
54:08have had them in my top 10. Now I enjoy poor junior contract situations looming over this a little bit, but they're
54:15just really talented, uh, and kind of surprisingly deep at a certain, a few areas.
54:20Um, I think offensively, I'm obviously not optimistic. I'm optimistic about the ceiling, but I think adding Pittman Jr.
54:26And we'll see what happens. The wide receiver three lifted the floor.
54:30I think this should still be a pretty good run game.
54:33I think the offensive line, uh, should be pretty good.
54:37You know, I, uh, talked, talked about this a bit, but you're kicking Troy Foutenu to the left side.
54:43I see how I could say his name every different, every podcast.
54:47I've, I've heard it differently. I always go, I go Foutenu, but I think it all.
54:52Foutenu, Foutenu, Foutenu. That's what I said. And then I heard Foutenu and I was like, have I been saying it wrong the whole time?
55:00All right. The interior is awesome. Um, right side.
55:03We'll see who starts there. It's kind of an interesting plot line.
55:07Traded Broderick Jones. I didn't get to talk about that.
55:10Yeah. It was time. Um, so yeah, I think I could see this team finishing with the 10th best defense or 11th
55:17best defense and like the 18th best offense, even with the Aaron Rodgers trajectory.
55:22And for Steelers fans, like that's your nightmare, right?
55:25And very, I know, right? Yeah. That's your worst.
55:28Well, cause everything is special teams, by the way, very good special teams, but everything you just described there, especially like we
55:35always talk about how you want to build the foundation for your quarterback of the future and knowing this one's over, like
55:42they're, they were one of the teams that kept four on the roster, right?
55:46Or at least on the initial run of the roster.
55:50Um, yeah, they did. And so it's like the Vikings like cut Max Broser or he's on the practice squad.
55:56So yeah, but like, yeah, you kept four, but like you're thinking about the future and like everything you just described about
56:03some of the skill players, especially the talent up front, like having an old line that seems already a silent with young talent.
56:11And then if Max Ahanichor touches any of the potential that we've seen for him, both coming out and through the early
56:18run of the preseason, like that's a fun group to picture a young quarterback coming into the league with.
56:24And it just seems like based on what we know about Mike McCarthy, the Steelers as a franchise and what you just
56:31said there about the projections for this team, they could once again, kind of be in that purgatory.
56:37That's going to have them reaching to try and figure out what to do there.
56:42All right. You're next. All right. Um, I am going to go.
56:46I know who I want. I know who I want here.
56:49Give me the, uh, give me the commies. I'll do the commanders.
56:53Okay. Again, I'm not, it's not a bit of preseason.
56:57That's inspired any sort of confidence. Like the Laramie tonsil injury is brutal.
57:01The story we referenced before the story is coming out of Ravens, uh, joint practice about how badly that offensive line got
57:08beat, which those guys sound like they're taken very personally is tough.
57:12There, um, you know, we'll see too. I was looking, uh, as we were getting ready for this and I want to double check right now.
57:20Um, concerns about the, I think the edge guys for them, Adafi Owe and Kalevan chase on both status for week one.
57:27Sounds like it's kind of up in the air, which like, you know, not, not great Bob for a defense.
57:34That's certainly trying to make a gym, a big jump back there.
57:38You already lost, uh, Newton with the pec injury.
57:41So it's been kind of like the 49ers of the East coast, but you know, again, maybe you catch lightning, right?
57:48And Jaden Daniels starts to look like the guy again with David Blau.
57:52I couldn't hear what you said there. Sorry. At the end.
57:55Could you, uh, you were so unconfident that you started backing away from the microphone.
58:00I was, I almost didn't want people to hear it, that maybe you strike lightning in a bottle and Jaden Daniels looks
58:07like the guy again with David Blau and a new voice in his ear on offense.
58:13Yeah. To be clear, all of our commander skepticism is not Jane Daniels.
58:17Um, it's everything you referenced. All right. I'm taking the giants then screw it.
58:21All right. Um, one thing that the commanders have both commanders giants have kind of like sneaky, difficult schedules.
58:28So I, I don't feel super great about either because of that.
58:31Uh, but the giants have things that do make me think maybe there's an optimistic case.
58:37Obviously not that optimistic word, but, uh, I do think this front seven is going to be really, I think the defense could be improved.
58:45You know, we talked about how, what a beast Arbel Reese has looked like, but you know, I think, um, I've said this before.
58:53I think Abdul Carter becomes just massive household name this season.
58:56And then offensively, I think this offensive line is going to be decent and improved.
59:01I think this is going to be like a very ground and pound game.
59:06I will say I have no idea what this giants offense is going to look like.
59:11Like it's Matt Nagy calling the plays that Greg Roman is like involved in the run game.
59:16That doesn't make sense together. So I don't know, like, are they going to be a very 21 personnel heavy Patrick card
59:23ground and pound or Matt Nagy coming from Kansas city?
59:27We're going to spread things out. RPO. I just don't quite have a feel for it.
59:32We haven't seen Jackson dart much, you know, so don't know, but I think there's enough young talent here to at least get excited about an upside case.
59:41All right. You're next. All right. Giants off the board.
59:44Give me, I'll take the Panthers. Damn it. That's the team I want to hear.
59:49Yeah. I mean, after that, it gets, it gets bleak, but yeah, easy schedule for them.
59:54I went back and looked and I'm sure you've talked about it at some point in the pod, but I was just
60:01like, everyone's talked about, you know, regression candidates for like schedule stuff and turnover stuff.
60:06When I think of the Panthers, I just think of the four down fourth down ride, the lightning all last year and how successful they were.
60:15They were second in the league and fourth down attempts with 40 and converted at the fourth highest percentage and trailed at
60:22the sixth highest rate in the NFL. So it was just mashing turbo in the second half of games for them to try and get out of Dodge.
60:31So, you know, Ted McMillan couldn't have gone better last year.
60:35Like what a win for them for whatever the quarterback situation is.
60:38If Bryce can go and stack a decent year on top of things defensively taking some big swings with the guys that
60:46they brought over getting Jalen, getting Jalen Phillips down there, getting Devin Lloyd from the Jags who we talked about before as a loss for them.
60:54You know, Monroe Freeling is a cool high upside draft pick for them at offensive tackle.
60:59They're a really interesting team in a league where you've got a trend of a lot of tight ends on the field.
61:06They kept five on the 53 man roster, including signing Darren Waller.
61:10So I'm curious how they kind of deploy that group for a team that was also a really high 11 personnel use last year.
61:18Darren Waller was kind of good last year. A little bit.
61:22I like the idea of surrounding Bryce Young with gigantic skill players.
61:26Tiny quarterback. It's like the splinter meme, you know.
61:29You want to talk about Tommy Tremble because I sent you a clip of Monroe Freeling and him and Tommy Tremble combining
61:36on like a big run play from the preseason looked pretty good.
61:40Hey, man. Go player. Panthers fans, you guys were early on this like boon on blocking tight ends, getting drafted and stashed everywhere.
61:47You got one of the best ones in the league and you got them a while ago.
61:53So congrats to you for the foresight. Panthers defense should be good.
61:56I know I kind of wish, like why, I was thinking you'd sign between them and the Giants, but like I was
62:04flirting with putting them in my top 10. They finished just outside of it.
62:08But that's like a big making the leap unit.
62:11Yep. So after the Jalen Phillips, Devin Lloyd preview in the preseason, I wrote somewhere, you got what you paid for, man.
62:18They look sick. Well, and like if you get a jump, like go in and watch it because when you'd sent me
62:25that, I kind of went down the Panthers rabbit hole.
62:29And it's like, all right, if you can get some of these other young guys, like Prince Lee Oman, me Owens, one
62:36that Panthers fans are like, I Jalen Phillips say he's probably the best pure pass rusher on our team.
62:42Just in terms of ability, Patrick Jones, one of the guys out of pit.
62:46That's always running like his hair is on fire.
62:49Like they had a couple of early party at the quarterback preseason moments where, all right, if Jalen Phillips also gives you
62:57the boost of veteran to help young guys make the leap in that room, all of a sudden you got some pass
63:04rushing depth that looks kind of scary of weaponized, right?
63:07I think you just took the last team that could actually win their division.
63:11I'm not saying they will. I'm not like them, I think, but it wouldn't be insane for that to happen.
63:18By the way, shout out to JJ Jansen, 19th year in the league at Long Snapper.
63:23Career earnings, $18 million. The guy's just incredible. Good for him.
63:27All right, I'm up next. So there's one team in this next group that I think is like clearly a better team.
63:34The problem is the division in the schedule. You know who I'm thinking of, I'm sure.
63:39Like they're obviously like the offense has the potential to actually be decent and fun.
63:44They're just in a nightmare situation, but screw it.
63:47I'll take the Cardinals here who have the hardest schedule.
63:50Is that who you thought I was going to say?
63:53Yeah. Yes. We'll, we'll discuss it. I kind of, some of that started leaking in a different direction, but so what has you most excited about them?
64:02Well, yeah, right. Maybe I was a little bit too, the offense could be fun.
64:07That was a little bit much maybe, but. They could.
64:10It's like Matt LaFleur, new play caller, offensive line.
64:13They've invested in that. I think people really, it was a little bit slept on how bad and how injured and how
64:20like the nightmare situation that the offensive line was last year, which by the way is also pointing Kyler Murray's favor.
64:27But like Trey McBride, Marvin Harrison, Jr., Michael Wilson, Jeremiah Love slash Algiers slash Connors.
64:32Like it should be like a pretty decent offense.
64:35Like if they were not in the NFC West, I do not think this team would be talked of as a seller dweller the way they are.
64:44I think if the offensive line can hold up, stay solid and you have a couple of guys like take the next step in their development.
64:52Like the biggest one is obviously Paris Johnson. Like if you get that guy to make a big leap in this year,
64:59then that's a group where yeah, like Jacoby Brissette's a good enough veteran point guard.
65:04Where the sky's the limit. But you know, you obviously get Jeremiah Love back healthy.
65:09That was the least fun part of the preseason.
65:12But I'd say the O-line and if Marvin Harrison goes out and plays with the confidence of a guy with his ability,
65:19then yeah, this could be an offense that sneaks up on some people.
65:23We got seven teams left. One. Let me check.
65:26Wait. One, two, three, four. Yeah. Seven teams left.
65:29This is. This is where it gets really difficult.
65:32This is where I wouldn't say this is where fortunes are made because I think the middle of the draft is where
65:39that's where you won last year with the Patriots and the Seahawks.
65:43Both of whom I overdrafted this year. Classic overreaction.
65:46But there's been years, I think, where a final seven or eight team has gone far and vaulted one of us to success.
65:54So who's it going to be? Who you got next?
65:57I took the Cardinals. Cardinals off the board. I don't feel good about any of this right now, but in the interest
66:04of combining schedule and some other factors. I'll take the Jets.
66:08Six teams left, not seven teams because you took the Saints.
66:11Yes. Wild. I'll take the Jets. Okay. Yeah. That's about all you could say is, yeah, the Jets.
66:17I mean, Geno Smith lives here. We've talked for years.
66:20I think they were one of the few groups that started the same entire starting offensive line.
66:26Obviously, there's some changes this year, but they've drafted young dudes there.
66:30Garrett Wilson, all that stuff. We know the drill at this point.
66:34I don't expect them to be very good, but maybe just maybe the Justin Fields experiment last year really kind of slowed things down enough.
66:42And who knows? Maybe Geno's got a little, you know, one more letter to write back to people.
66:48Do you think there's a world in which the Jets have an average offense?
66:52I think you can squint and see it, but I'm not super confident.
66:56I really think like the bigger, I mean, Geno's obviously the biggest character, but like Frank Reich.
67:02I was talking about this. Yeah. Like this is kind of both of their opportunities to prove that it's not completely over.
67:09Yeah. Geno and Frank Reich. Like show me something.
67:12Right. I think I forgot who I had on to talk about the Geno drive.
67:17We'll always have the seven for seven Geno preseason drive.
67:20But it was also like a good drive for Frank Reich.
67:24Like, you know, guys wide open. He was doing some stuff.
67:27So I just think like, let's see. Frank Reich.
67:30This is it. You got anything left in the tank.
67:33Same with Geno. Both of you. All right. I'm going to take the Raiders here.
67:38Who just announced that Kirk Cousins is going to be the week one starter.
67:43The clock starts on that. Wouldn't be surprised if he looks decent week one against team that has yet to be picked
67:50because that defense is going to be very bad.
67:53The Miami Dolphins. But also the Raiders defense kind of like should was quiet, like quietly above average last year and added some pieces.
68:01So I think like this is the Raiders. This division is really challenging.
68:05But like they're not a bad team. They have decent like they're compared to some of the other teams here.
68:11Both sides of the ball. There's enough. When you were talking about the Cardinals before, I almost thought you were talking about the Raiders.
68:19Like there's a little me that looks at this because again, you got the best tight end in the NFL when he's healthy.
68:27I thought the run game overall, like obviously again, I'm not going to get too high off the preseason supply in terms of like the O-line moving people.
68:36But Clint Kubiak with what we know about the way his offense operate, it seemed to be having some of the desired
68:43effect for this group being able to give these guys a chance.
68:47Like, you know, Mike Washington during the preseason with Ashton Gentry not getting reps look like an awesome second pitch there.
68:54So I think offensively it has a chance to be a kind of fun group.
68:58And then, yeah, defensively it should be much improved, especially trying to, you know, portal in a linebacker group that can help
69:06you with some of the run issues. Yeah, I feel good about this pick.
69:10I feel good about like looking at the bottom.
69:13I did want the Panthers and you took them, but I feel good about the Cardinals and the Raiders.
69:19All right. Just a few teams left. Who are you going to take?
69:23Oh, man. I guess I'll take the Titans. Yeah.
69:26And just hoping that the Rob Sala precedent of turning around defense is pretty quickly like having Jeffrey Simmons there helps a lot with that.
69:34But like brought in some of the guys that he's used to, like the familiarity with some of the, you know, Jermaine
69:42Johnson's John Franklin Myers of the world. And then, you know, offensively, I know it looked clunky and everyone's super down on Cam Ward after the preseason.
69:50I'm just hoping that after enough time, him and Dable kind of find the middle ground with certain things.
69:57Like it sounds like they had a little bit of found gold through training camp.
70:01You know, you and I were both concerned about some of the interior offensive line situation.
70:07And it seems like, was it Fernando Carmona was their rookie fifth round pick who sounds like he's going to be the starter at right guard now.
70:15I thought JC Latham looked pretty good last year.
70:18They extended Skronsky. Like there's some stuff there defensively.
70:21Elante Taylor you brought in too. So if the defense has the usual Sala effect and Cam Ward and Dable can get
70:28anywhere close to on the same page, you and I both talked.
70:32I think he flashed a bunch of really interesting stuff in a situation last year that was nightmarish.
70:38Yeah, the preseason is weighing heavily here on this and maybe that's an overreaction.
70:43Maybe it was just a couple bad outings. I didn't talk about Ward's second preseason game.
70:48It wasn't like encouraging, but I will say there were some drops.
70:52And like if I think it was Gunnar Helm gets his feet in Ward made this out of structure play.
70:58I feel like there's like a little bit of a different vibe around this team.
71:03There was another drop. I can't remember which player it was, but I just and then in the third game, Carnell Tay
71:10played and he did get open down. There was an opportunity for a big play.
71:15It was just a great play by I think it was Dylan Thienemann actually in the Bears who made a nice recovery there.
71:23So I do think there's an upside case here, which is why I would have taken them as well if I was you.
71:30The defense is a good point too, but the Robert Sala turnaround.
71:34And there's a good talent in the front seven, obviously.
71:37So I don't dislike this pick here. Filibustering a little because we're down the three remaining.
71:42It's all right. It's all bad down here. I am going to take the Atlanta Falcons here.
71:48Speaking of preseasons really making you feel bad about team.
71:51Okay. Spin zone. What if it's actually good that you saw in the preseason that Tua Tunga by Loa should not start
71:58more than like a game or two? So instead of writing it out.
72:03Because it seems like they are desperate to name Michael Penix Jr.
72:06QB1. Yes. And they're going to drag it out because he hasn't played at all.
72:11We'll see how he looks. But. I feel like at least there's enough.
72:16There's. There's a case there that he could give them some juice.
72:19We'll see what he looks like coming off of the injury.
72:23I think for me, like the defense and all of everything that's happened with the pass rushes is just what's so concerning
72:30because this was a defense that took a big leap last year.
72:34And now you're like, I think everyone's expecting them to take a step back.
72:39But. We're down to the final three. I got to pick a team.
72:43Honestly, of the three that were left makes perfect sense.
72:46And I didn't think about that, but I'm going to probably repackage that for a take at some point on radio.
72:53Sometimes it is just as important to know what not to do.
72:57And the Falcons may have found out through the preseason what not to do at quarterback.
73:02So, no, you've talked me into it. I'll take the Browns here.
73:06Just because the schedule difference between them and Miami is so stark.
73:10The easy schedule. I want to mention that too.
73:13Yeah. Yeah. Sorry. So, yeah, right at right after them, according to FTN, the Browns.
73:18And, you know, again, completely new offensive line for the most part, the Deshaun Watson situation.
73:23But like, you know, the young pass catchers on that team we've all talked about are really fun and guys I'd be excited about for the future.
73:32I like Spencer Fano a lot as a pick there up front of the offensive line.
73:37Defensively, like you obviously lose the reigning defensive player of the year, but there's still a bunch of great players in that unit.
73:44This should be a top 12 defense. Yeah. Like top 12, 13.
73:48We'll see what the step back is. But yeah, like they're still incredibly talented at all three levels.
73:54Yeah. It's just, you know, when you don't have to game plan for the best defensive player in the world, it does.
74:01It's going to change life for all of them in ways that they haven't figured out yet.
74:07So that's the only concern. But, you know, have fun with the Dolphins.
74:11That leaves me with the Dolphins who have the fifth hardest schedule.
74:15So that's. This offense could be funky and interesting.
74:18Very interesting to see. I'm very curious to see what Bobby Sloick does.
74:22Like if he can get weird. Uh, I got Chris Bell in Dynasty.
74:26That's another player I'm interested in seeing. You know, a lot of young receivers, Caleb Douglas, Chris Bell.
74:32We'll see what they got with them. I think we all expect this run game to be kind of like nasty and fun.
74:39Not physically nasty, but like nasty and like what is happening on my TV kind of way.
74:45Um, but the defense is just so lacking in talent at so many spots.
74:50It's going to be a real rebuilding. Let's see who we've got kind of year for them on that side of the ball.
74:57So it's just hard to get there with wins.
75:00I think, um, yeah, I Malik Willis. God be with you.
75:04My guy like, we'll see, you know, um, just count the money, man.
75:08Just make sure you're there watching the bank account when that direct deposit hits every week.
75:13All right. That's it. All 32 teams. So I'm going to read your team and then I'm gonna read mine.
75:19Mike took the Rams, Bills, Ravens, Texans, Eagles, Packers, Chiefs, Bengals, Saints, Bears, Colts, Commanders, Panthers, Jets, Titans, Browns.
75:26I took the Seahawks, Broncos, Patriots, Cowboys, Lions, Jaguars, Niners, Bucks, Chargers, Vikings, Steelers, Giants, Cardinals, Raiders, Falcons, and Dolphins.
75:32My first takeaway is I think you won the front of the draft and I won the middle of the draft.
75:39How do you feel? I would agree. And that's, that honestly is what had me nervous.
75:44I was brimming with confidence for the three-peat after our first 10 or so.
75:49And then after that, because I mean, we see every year that's usually where it flips is one of those teams in
75:56the bottom half is going to wind up as a double-digit win team.
76:00And I think you've got more of those potentially than I do.
76:04Of all of your picks, which one are you the happiest with?
76:08The happiest with probably getting the Chiefs and the Bengals both as low as I did just because of the potential upside there.
76:15That felt like getting to buy low on the Chiefs just felt strange and wonderful.
76:20Texans at four, too, is, you know, that was the one that killed me because I was just, I just literally forgot to take them.
76:28I intended to. Yeah, I'm pretty happy with the Jags, Niders, Bucks, Chargers, Vikings turn, as I alluded to.
76:34I would say the Chargers feel good, too, from a value perspective.
76:38You taking the Saints before the Chargers was a moment where, in my draft room, we did a little celebration.
76:45How you felt about the Texans pick for me was the polar, like, exactly how my brain felt after realizing what I'd done with the Saints.
76:53I blame being an avid Mina Keim show featuring Lenny Listener and listening to you and Greg Rosenthal talk about the NFC
77:00South getting me high enough on the Saints supply to do something crazy.
77:05I'm still a Saints enthusiast. But like I said, I'm just pulling back a little bit after the Tyson injury.
77:11All right, Mike. You're back at it. Have you been back on my show since you've been back at ESPN?
77:18I can't remember. No. First meet and a time show.
77:21Tell folks where they can download the new show and listen to it and all of that.
77:26Yes. The Gullicks. Me and Dad back on ESPN.
77:2910 a.m. to noon Eastern Monday through Friday on ESPN Radio.
77:33You can watch us on the app as well.
77:36And we have the Gullicks wherever you get your podcasts as well.
77:40So plenty of places to find us and excited to be back in the family with you.
77:45People should definitely check it out. I think I'll be joining a lot of Fridays, it sounds like.
77:51So tune in for that. Thank you, as always, to Mike for joining.
77:55You can check out this pod, of course, wherever you get your pods.
78:00YouTube as well. You can check out my TV podcast there with David Dennis Jr.
78:04We're covering Lanterns, which is a show I'm super obsessed with right now.
78:09So go check that out. It's called Viewer Discretion.
78:12Thank you, as always, to the fine folks at Omaha Productions who make this pod.
78:16Kirsten Sebecki, Owen Saylor, Jack Foster, and Tucker Tash.
78:19And we'll be back next week. Wow! Yeah!
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