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0:24Terms and more at AppleCard.com. Welcome back to the Mina Kimes Show featuring Lenny, the only NFL podcast where another host thinks
0:31instant replay means you're playing fetch again. That's Lenny.
0:33I'm Mina Kimes. Joining me today, not the first time on a show, but the first time since he joined Omaha with
0:40his Move the Sticks podcast, Daniel Jeremiah. Welcome back.
0:43Hey, what's up, teammate? How are you doing? I'm doing great.
0:46I'm in New York. I was in Kansas City for Monday Night Football.
0:50I'm excited to actually be talking about games. You were here to help me preview week two.
0:55Not as many banger games as week one. Yeah, but still, nonetheless, some really good ones.
1:00But before we get started, I do, where can folks, you are now, Move the Sticks, new feed.
1:06Where can folks find it before we dive into these games?
1:09I appreciate you, Mina. It is up. The video, the full show lives on the ESPN NFL channel on their YouTube channel.
1:16And then I have the Move the Sticks YouTube channel where we do a bunch of different cutups and things with the
1:22draft and what other stuff that I see. And then you just, the audio feed, Move the Sticks wherever you find it.
1:29So it's been fun. Had a lot of folks on.
1:32Had three GMs on already. And it's like, you know, it's football season.
1:36I lucked out because I missed out that my gap was during prediction season.
1:40So I got to sit out the three months, the three months of just, you know, let's just make a prediction.
1:47I got to skip that this year. Yeah, really nice of the Rams and Broncos, two teams I thought would be in the Super Bowl to lay eggs.
1:55We call it the Texans. Hey, it's a long season.
1:58Well, the Texans looked pretty good. We'll get to them, you know, offensively where maybe the bigger questions were.
2:04We're going to go chronologically, as always. We're talking about every game, some a little bit longer than others.
2:10Some of them, both DJ and I will pick a key.
2:13Some of them, just one of us will do.
2:16But both of us are obviously talking about Thursday Night Football because this is kind of the game of the week.
2:22It really is. Lions-Bills is going to be fireworks.
2:25The Lions, kind of fortunate, I would say, that this is early in the season in Buffalo as opposed to late in
2:31the year because there's so much good regardless because of the ability to run the football.
2:36But Jared Goff, we know, indoors is a different act.
2:39And that's my side of the ball, so I'll go first if that's okay.
2:44Lions offense against Bills defense. So the Bills defense, it was an interesting performance.
2:48There was week one, things I liked, things I didn't.
2:51One of the areas, things that I thought, like some young players, obviously Deion Walker had an amazing game.
2:57I thought Gregory Soe was good. But I think you did see a lot of their vulnerabilities against Houston who are going
3:03to get to that offense later on. So for my key, I wrote Jared Goff hitting in-breakers against this Bills defense because going back and watching C.J.
3:12Stroud against them, he simply torched them on digs, posts.
3:15And I was on in-breakers, C.J. Stroud, who's always very good on in-breakers, 14 for 19 for 173 yards and a touchdown against the Bills.
3:22Going back and watching, I think you hear that, you think, okay, Nico Collins probably had like two gigantic posts.
3:28But it was kind of everyone. I went back and watched all of them.
3:32You had Jalen Knoll on a dig. It was a blown coverage.
3:36Marlon Klein, the young tight end on a crosser.
3:39Booty had a post on Igbanison. Jared Wayne had a dig on Benford.
3:43Xavier Hutchinson cooked D. Alford. Maxwell Harrison took his lumps against Dalton Schultz.
3:47So it was a team-wide issue. And that's why I bring it up as a key because I don't just think it's
3:53like, okay, cool, I'm in Ross St. Brown. I really think the Lions and Detroit Goff, who is, or Detroit Goff, Jared
4:00Goff, who is phenomenal, probably the best quarterback in the NFL, honestly, at throwing in-breakers, is primed to take advantage of what
4:07I thought was a pretty glaring weakness in this Bills defense week one.
4:11Yeah, that's a good point. And also, like, we'll get to the Houston stuff later.
4:15But, like, that's, in talking to them, that they wanted to be a little bit more of a 12-personnel team.
4:21Marlon Klein came on faster than they expected. And that allows you to work a little bit more on that side of the field.
4:29I could go in a million different directions on the Houston side, but I'm going to stay on task here.
4:35Greg Rousseau, I looked this up because when I watched it, I liked him a lot coming out.
4:40And I thought this was a really good game for him last week.
4:44And when I watched his production, I went back through my notes.
4:48Mina, he's been in the league forever. He's 26.
4:50He's only 26 years old. He came in as, like, a 20-year-old.
4:54Yes. Wow. And he has, like, if you just kind of follow him, he's just continued to get a little bit better.
5:01Yeah. So when I was watching that, I'm like, okay, he's probably, like, 29, 30.
5:05Like, these are kind of the years. And I'm like, dude, he's 26 years old.
5:10Like, there's a lot of runway left. That's crazy.
5:13Yeah, he was very good in this game. Walker was very good in this game.
5:17I thought the Lions' offensive line held up pretty well week one because that was something I was interested in because it's just so much change.
5:25You got Sewell kicking to the left side. Blake Miller.
5:28You got young players on the interior. They had to replace Cade Mays with Juice Scruggs.
5:33Honestly, across the board, I thought pretty decent. They got good removal in the run game, which was an issue for them last year.
5:40And that's going to be another problem for Buffalo.
5:43Like, Houston looked better running the ball, but they're not Detroit.
5:46So I think that the combination of the run game and the offensive line looking better, plus Jared Goff and his strengths,
5:53are just a tough matchup for this Bills defense behind the pass rush.
5:57And, you know, like CJ Stroud, until the end, was going toe for toe.
6:01Like, with Josh Allen in that game, less people forget.
6:04So it should be a high-scoring one. You've got the other side, which is another reason why this should be a high-scoring game.
6:11Bills offense versus the Lions defense. I said after watching that that I thought, and this is – I'm not looking for
6:18a power statement, but it was the best version of Josh that I saw where everything he did, he was so kind
6:25of in command and control in that game. And that's a defense that's done it to him in the past and just about everybody else.
6:32They fluster you. They cause you to be a little bit frenetic and skittish.
6:36And he was very much cleats in the ground, and everything, you know, was just slow.
6:41It looked like the game was really, really slow for Josh.
6:45I was pumped up to see Kincaid healthy and out there and making explosive plays as someone who was a big fan
6:51of his coming through the draft process. He was one of my top ten guys.
6:56And I don't know that it was wrong as much as he just hasn't been available.
7:01Like, when he's out there, he's just got a real – I wrote down Zach Ertz was my comp for him when
7:07he was coming out because he just had a real – he's a real feel player.
7:12He's real aware of what's going on and working in space.
7:16And they hit a couple explosives with him, which was good to see.
7:20And then DJ Moore, like, is already in the trust tree, like, right out the shoot.
7:24I mean, he just – he trusts him to put the ball in a little tighter quarters.
7:30And that throw that he made on the touchdown where he starts working on left, outside the numbers, and Josh works all
7:36the way across the field and hits him on the right sideline.
7:40I'm like, well, if they're going to do that all year long, good luck stopping that group.
7:45And that was against the Texans. This is the Lions secondary.
7:48And I got to say, ooh, boy. Especially second half.
7:51If it's second half Lions secondary. Well, here's the thing, Mina.
7:55When I looked at the numbers, like, DJ Reed gave up six for $1.41 according to the numbers, right?
8:01So I'm like, I'm going to watch this and see, like, how much blood does he have on his hands in this whole thing.
8:08It's a little misleading. Like, you've got a broken play, which ends up being a huge chunk play.
8:13I'm not going to put that on him. A lot of off coverage.
8:17When you're in off coverage against Alave, and you're giving him a three-way go, like, I don't know what you want there.
8:24But he got torched. I found that really interesting, right?
8:27Because this is a Lions defense that last year played a ton of man, blitzed very heavily.
8:32And in this game, there was clearly, they wanted to keep a roof on Alave, and they were worried about his speed.
8:39To your point, they were playing a lot of zone, a lot of off.
8:43And in the second half, Tyler Sheck started solving.
8:46He had struggled with pressure in the first, he was really bad in the first half of the game.
8:51But in the second, I mean, he threw for like 300 plus yards in the second half of the game.
8:58It was crazy. And like you said, it wasn't just Reed.
9:01It was a team-wide affair. I think they were trying to protect their safeties and just got so exposed.
9:07And now you have this Bills passing attack coming to town that, as you said, was just bombs away week one.
9:13And I really struggled to see how the Lions defense gets stops here.
9:17I guess, I mean, it's especially coming off of the Texans.
9:20I think like the run defense in Detroit is decent, but behind that defensive line, there's just so many areas for Josh to attack.
9:28So yeah, I think it's a pretty even, because I just think, I also think the Lions offense has an edge.
9:34Um, this being in Detroit makes it a little bit nerve wracking to go in on Buffalo, but I just can't get
9:41the memory of watching that Lions defense in the second half against Tyler Schock out of my mind.
9:46So I think, I don't, I think the Bills defense is not, um, there's definitely issues there, but I feel like at
9:53least they might be able to get a couple stops from what, based on what I saw last week.
9:59So I'm going to go Buffalo here, but I feel like I haven't looked at the point total on this one.
10:05And I think both off, it's kind of like a who holds the pen last type game in my, in my opinion.
10:12Yeah. I feel like this Buffalo offense, like ace the midterm.
10:15And then now they're getting ready to just go take like a generic 10 point quiz.
10:20Um, and it's hard for me to see them not being successful there.
10:24So I'll take Buffalo. All right. We move on to a game.
10:27That's just me. Panthers Falcons. I will not force you to discuss, um, peers that, okay.
10:32So I was actually, I wanted to make sure I had the latest Falcons quarterback news.
10:37AKA, are we going to see Jack Strand? Sounds like Cooper rush.
10:41Who's not good, but Jack Strand is a possibility.
10:44I don't really know if it matters too much.
10:46Um, but actually kind of leads me to my key here, which is the Panthers run defense.
10:51Who boy. I mean, the Panthers defense as a whole against Chicago.
10:55I, I, this was quietly one of the more like, we think about like with a week one letdowns, the chargers, the Broncos, the Rams for sure.
11:03But I thought the Panthers defense would be way better than the product that they put out this last week.
11:09Like, and you know, I didn't think there were the Texans or whatever, but the Rams, but like this, they added a lot of talent.
11:17It was a group to look to be ascending last year.
11:20The last time we saw them, they were given Matthew Stafford hell.
11:24This was just dismal. And, and I'm focusing on the run obviously, because it's Atlanta.
11:28And it's the one thing we know is with B.
11:31John Robinson, they're going to run the ball. But like Deandre Swift, I mean, 56% success rate was not stuffed once going back and watching his runs too.
11:40It was just three level failures, like defensive line getting caved in, caved in the safeties.
11:45Merrig just get tossed. It was really bad. So, they just got to tackle better in this one.
11:50It's obviously a significantly easier offensive opponent than Chicago, but I, that to me is like the key here, because what we
11:57saw from that defense week one was not acceptable.
12:00Their personnel is better than that. Like when you look at, I thought in this game, the corners, you know, would be
12:06able to, to hold their own and you'd see middle of the field games.
12:11I thought love them would have a good game and burden would have a good game.
12:15They got burden. They got burden going early, but level didn't do a whole lot.
12:20And it was like, Oh, they're just going to run the ball down their throats.
12:25And anytime Caleb wants to take off and give himself 20, he can go get 20 himself as well.
12:30Yeah. I, I will say, um, well, it can't be that bad.
12:34Mina, they're there. They can't Carolina. Can't be that.
12:37There's too many good players on that defense for them to be that bad.
12:41The sad thing is also Bryce young was like, I mean, a lot of that has to do with the bears defense,
12:48which we'll get to, um, when we get to that game, which is also really bad, but yeah, he was great.
12:54He made some really good throws. The skill players looked excellent.
12:57Coker, the run game, the offense, I thought the Panthers offensive line looked good, but, um, yeah, there's an alternate reality that
13:04exists, you know, where Matthew Stafford doesn't get that drive at the end of the game.
13:09The Panthers win that game with Bryce young, having orchestrated a comeback against Matthew Stafford in the Rams, Bryce young gets paid in the off season.
13:17We spend all off season with everybody saying they overpaid him.
13:20They've made, this is the next to a contract.
13:23They've made a big mistake. And then even in this loss, you would have come out of that game going like, you know, no, he's fine.
13:31Like we're, we're okay with that. And none, none of it happened, but it was this close to us being there.
13:37Falcons defense, better test for him than the bears ones based on the Bears defense, based on what we saw week one.
13:44So I, I, after that game, I thought Panthers offense pointed up Panthers defense pointed down, but this, that was also one
13:50of those, like, we got to adjust for week one opponent.
13:54A lot of teams, you're going to come out against the bears.
13:57You're going to say, wow, their defense, the, the, the bears offense is going to make a lot of defenses look bad
14:04and it's going to make some quarterbacks maybe look better than they are.
14:08So week one's a liar. Sure. Okay. You got Brown's bucks.
14:11God bless you. Yep. Brown's bucks. Um, the, the takeaway on the Cleveland side of things, watching Watson was this guy, he needs tons of space to operate.
14:20Like the, the good quarterbacks can operate in confined areas.
14:23He can't like it just, he can't. So if they're going to stay with him, they're going to have to get them
14:30on the move or they're going to have to really get deep with play action to give him a lot of space to operate.
14:37You saw it like the Denzel Boston, the deep throw late in the, when the game's over, but at least he's got
14:44some room and space and he can function. He cannot function in confined spaces.
14:48So if you're going to ask him to just kind of sit in the cockpit and do that, good luck.
14:54Um, the two rookies I'm keeping an eye on in this game, uh, Fano was a tough one right out to shoot the, the left tackle for Cleveland.
15:02Again, that's a, you know, it's a tough position to adjust to right away.
15:07And then Bain was quiet as a whisper on the Tampa side of things.
15:11Um, Marius Mims, just eat him like a snack.
15:14So I'm curious to see these two guys and we'll see how much they match up with each other on opposite sides.
15:20But, uh, I I'd like to see hopefully a little growth there.
15:24I, it's so funny. I watched that game thinking the Bengals box game pretty closely thinking like, okay, here we go.
15:30Ruben Bain looks so awesome in the preseason. Yeah.
15:33Yeah. Yeah. Be that combination. And I came away, the names I kept writing down were Kalijah can see.
15:39And then Ben Morrison who made so many, I mean, there's one play where T Higgins gets him on the T Higgins
15:46is just going to get you right. But I thought he was excellent in this last game against Cincinnati.
15:51He made a lot of plays flying down, blowing up short passes.
15:55He was good in coverage. And that's like, Oh, I'm sorry.
15:58I'm forgetting the, the name that I meant to start with.
16:02Oh my God. Josiah Trotter. I know he had the game of the week.
16:06He had the rookie game of the week. Pick, pick six sack.
16:10He was all over the field. And Jason Light had told me when I talked to him over the summer that how,
16:16how good this kid was going to be. And I was not totally in love with him when I watched him off the college stuff.
16:24So he was, I was like, okay, that's interesting.
16:27Let's see what that looks like. And he's far exceeded what I expected.
16:30Jason, like so good at drafting defense. Like, I mean, so many of those young players are really good, but I, but
16:37I think of what I want to say is that the box score is not really representative of what I saw from
16:44the defense because of all the turnover, the bucks offense turned it back up at the ball on the ground four times.
16:50So to go back to the bucks defense, I do think that this is going to be a game where against a
16:57very limited Browns offense, we're kind of realized, no, this bucks is defense is actually in a, I think they have the
17:04potential to finish as a top 10 unit. And this is a game where you're going to see why with the competition shifting a little bit.
17:12So I'm taking the bucks here. I imagine you are too.
17:15Yeah. I'll take the bucks. The one little nugget I would add on the end of this, I'm keeping an eye on
17:22this this year is we've talked so much about the most, you know, high scoring week one we've ever seen.
17:28Right. And the prolific offenses, we haven't talked about the defense as being crap.
17:32And I know miles Garrett is not there. Obviously burst comes over.
17:36That's a, you're going to be a different defense with that, but would you, is there anybody you'd rather be than maybe
17:42Jim Schwartz just sitting on the sideline this year, watching defense after defense, after defense look terrible and just go, I'm going
17:49to be, he's going to be the bell of the ball.
17:52Doesn't it put Seattle's performance in perspective? Like that, we were talking about that.
17:57Without even worry. Without even worry with half of their secondary injured to put up that defensive performance is a reminder of
18:03why there, I mean, again, you know, they didn't go against the bills.
18:07I get it. We'll see, you know, Jacoby Brissett's coming to town, but it really shows you how well coach that you,
18:14and I think the continuity there is a big factor in that.
18:18Um, all right. Oh, we forgot. I'm picking the Panthers over the Falcons, by the way, because we don't know.
18:24We didn't do that one. Yeah. Panthers. Yes. I'll take the Panthers over the Falcons as well.
18:29All right. Bengals Texans. This is a really good game.
18:32Um, you can go first. Cause we've kind of been, we were alluding a little bit to the Texans offense.
18:38You got Texans offense against Bengals defense. Fascinating matchup.
18:41Yeah. On Houston's offense, some of the stuff you kind of touched on Stroud working over the middle of the field.
18:47I think there was a ball that went over 25 yards.
18:50It was just, they just lived in the intermediate passing.
18:53All of that was where his sweet spot was.
18:56And he's a rhythm passer. So that fits him perfectly.
18:59So I like seeing that just, they didn't get a ton of pressures, but they, they were impactful pressures.
19:05He didn't get away from a lot of that.
19:08So I was, uh, looking at that Ingram got beat for a sack.
19:12Trent Brown got beat for a sack. It didn't take a lot of pressures for them to do damage in that game with Buffalo.
19:19So that'll be something I'm keeping an eye on.
19:22Cause the Cincinnati defense, there was a lot of pressure generated in that game.
19:26Uh, I didn't see what the overall pressure percentage was.
19:29It was high cause they were, they were back there consistently.
19:32Boy, Mafia was excellent. I thought, uh, in the, in the Tampa game.
19:36Um, yeah, I thought Cassius Howell had some nice moments too.
19:40They were trying more stuff too, with like simulated pressure.
19:43And game, I think we're kind of seeing the next phase of this Bengals defense.
19:47And it really, for me, the most interesting thing was the pressures.
19:51They had a lot of fire zones. Um, I thought the, so my big concern about the Bengals defense was the linebackers, right?
19:58Cause we know the corners are good. Dexhill and DJ Turner, you bring in Brian cook to stabilize things on the backend.
20:04Um, and the front is Dexter Lawrence. Now you got Mafe, you got whatever.
20:09They were better. So, uh, Barrett Carter and Demetrius Knight.
20:1244 and 49. I can't remember. Yeah. And I will say, I thought, especially Carter, I thought had some good moments against
20:18Tampa because Tampa's game plan was as, and I thought they would do this really go after them, short passing screens, get the ball out quick.
20:26They were better. I still think they can be had.
20:29It's still to me, like the one probably biggest issue there.
20:33So I think like that, you talked about CJ living over that intermediate part of the field.
20:38I think we're really going to see them try that.
20:41I also, I thought the Texans run game looked better week one.
20:45It wasn't amazing against Buffalo, but it was certainly improved upon last year.
20:48I think so. We'll see. They're, they're like, um, Casey and their offensive line where they're better equipped to try and move
20:55people in the run game with this version of this group that they have versus asking those guys and, and pass protection to hold up throughout the game.
21:04So that's, that's an interesting one there. I, it's one of the things.
21:08Oh yeah. I had mentioned it earlier, but when you have Cincinnati getting the pressure, they've got in Houston working where they've worked 12 personnel.
21:15I'm curious how much of it do we see continue out there for Houston?
21:19They were doing that a lot at the beginning of the game.
21:23I feel like, and I think throughout definitely certainly more than last year.
21:27Obviously they barely used it last year. Marlon Klein was on the field a lot.
21:32You talked about him. I'm excited. I'm excited for Marlon Klein, but yeah.
21:36Anyways. Yeah. Who do you, you have the other side of these?
21:39I have the other side, uh, which is obviously the sexier side, an angry Texans defense.
21:44Yeah. A humiliated Texans defense. I would not want to be going up against them this week.
21:49I'll just start there. Um, I'm really interested after we just saw a Buffalo offense go bombs away and attack downfield, whether
21:56or not Cincinnati tries to do the same thing and how they get there.
22:00Because week one, bangles offense looked a lot like the bangles offense has always looked right.
22:05not, you know, Joe hit one deep pass, but the ball was out quick, not a terribly, um, high average depth of target.
22:12The only difference was that they, they actually use a lot more 12 personnel and were pretty damn good running the ball out of it.
22:20So that's something to monitor in Cincinnati. But, um, you know, the bills had so much success against Houston throwing downfield because Texans defense is very aggressive.
22:28And then they found ways to buy Josh time, play action, moving the pocket, chipping those past rushers.
22:33But, you know, that's not who this bangles offense has been.
22:37It's been something they've been talking about this off season.
22:40Oh, we want to put Joe under center. We want to do more play action.
22:44We want to put tight ends on the field.
22:47So I'm really interested, Daniel, if this, in this game with this opponent, as opposed to the last one, they maybe lean
22:54a little bit more into that transformation, especially after seeing what Buffalo did.
22:57I think you'd be crazy not to try and do what Buffalo did.
23:01I mean, you try it and then see, I think that this could be one of those feeling out, feeling out games.
23:08And like you said, it is going to be a salty group that comes out on the Houston side of things.
23:14The interesting thing was, you know, you talked about some of the chipping, but Dawkins got left alone a decent amount of times on the other side.
23:23And in that game. So I'll be curious to see who do they trust more on the tackle side of things to leave soloed.
23:30Mims should be. Should be Mims. But we'll, you know, we'll see.
23:34I'm going Houston here. This is going to probably be one of the more people going both ways.
23:39I haven't looked at the line, but I just think angry Texans defense.
23:43I think they match up better with Cincinnati than they do with Buffalo.
23:47Because I talked about this after the bills game, like the Texans defense wants you to be scared of the pass rush and throw the ball short.
23:55And then they rally and tackle. They don't want you to go over their heads like Buffalo did.
24:01So I think that 50, 50 balls at Stingley in that game.
24:04I was like, Oh my gosh, Josh, they were going at it.
24:08I mean, that's how, you know, Dalton Kincaid is like the fact that he was doing that to Derek Stingley and Kamara Laster is just insane.
24:16But, um, yeah, he's a good player. But anyways, um, yeah, I just think, and I also think we're going to disagree on these.
24:23I'm with you on. You're on Houston. I'm okay.
24:26I'll do an upset. That's too prideful. The lines.
24:29Yeah. Right. That's what the defense. I'm just like, they're, they're going to be so.
24:33No way. Yeah. But also for the actual football reasons that we talked about, let me see what this is.
24:39Okay. Houston is favored and it's home, but it's two and a half, three.
24:43So it's basically a pick him. So, you know, uh, okay.
24:47Uh, I have Packers jets. I'll do this one quickly.
24:50Uh, many people have asked me about Gino Smith playing well in week one.
24:54First, I'd like to say as a, just a statement, Gino nation is monitoring the situation.
24:59We will not be commenting on that at this time.
25:02Jets off. Does Rosenthal have a party yet or no?
25:05Him and I, there's an active text group. That's very closely.
25:08The seven for seven drive in the preseason lived large in the text.
25:12But, um, you're like a blended family though, because you are, you are also part of the Darnold hive and Greg was not a member of our group.
25:21So I feel like there's definitely separate text chains with the, with the quarterbacks.
25:25Yeah, I know that. Is there a love? I went on Simmons potting.
25:29He, his whole thing was that all the nerds and our rallying around Jordan love and defending him.
25:34What we're now in this game and I'll get right into it.
25:38Jordan love. Poor guy. I talked about this lucky to get out of last week alive.
25:43Um, and that's for me, just the key to all of this is the jets pass rush versus a green Bay offensive line.
25:50That was just simply horrendous week one. Um, so I want to focus on the jet.
25:55So you don't need to, to reiterate all the ways in which green Bay was bad.
26:00The jets pass rush. Um, interesting. I, this is a fun one to watch against admittedly, a pretty bad Titans offensive line that had some really glaring issues.
26:08I saw like people tweeting about David Bailey. And I think his sad, the, some of his moments.
26:14So I turned on that game thinking like, all right, let me see David Bailey fun.
26:18And I just kept writing Will McDonald. Oh boy.
26:21He was a maniac in this game. The spin moves, the quick wins.
26:25There was one where they line them up inside and he beat the guard so bad.
26:30I almost gasped. Um, his quickness off the line of scrimmage is really next level.
26:34DJ. And I thought and Xbarri looked good on Yamada.
26:38So I think that's kind of just my general takeaway.
26:41And I think what's so important in this game is like the jets pass rush looks pretty good right now.
26:47Yeah. Fastballs when he was coming out, you know, like there were times in college, I, I think he got on the field his first year.
26:55If I remember correctly, he was like under 220 pounds rushing off the edge.
26:59It's like two 18, something like that. But Will McDonald's always, even though he's added weight, he's not a huge guy.
27:05He's not, it's all speed, speed, speed, speed, speed.
27:08And then he's got a great feel for that spin move.
27:11So, um, and then Bailey's a legit four, four, I think he ran four or five flat, but he's a legit like four, four on the opposite side.
27:20Like that's, that's arguably the most, like the fastest, we'll talk about explosive, but just the fastest edge rusher combo in the league is those two guys.
27:28So if they can get in a point where they're playing with leads, which plays like that and they can play with
27:35leads there, they're, they're going to have some fun and they actually will get a chance to take some balls away.
27:41It's a good point because like McDonald, I was like, man, why is he like sneaking up on me so much in this game?
27:48And to your point, they just have not played with leads.
27:52So, you know, he's been kind of like under appreciated.
27:55I think the advanced metrics always really, I feel like really like him.
27:59So yeah, anyways, I was, I was blown away by him in this game.
28:03Can I give, can I give you my one, my one nugget on this game though?
28:08If, if you're green Bay, I have one piece of great news is that Justin Jefferson is not going to be on the opposite side this week.
28:16That's good. It's a good nugget. Holy crap. Of all this, I was just watching a bunch of college receivers, including Jeremiah Smith.
28:23Like I was, it's, I'm a kid in a candy store watching these guys.
28:27And then I went back after that and watched, I was like, you know, I didn't watch much Houston or Minnesota offense.
28:34And I was like, Whoa, that's a different animal.
28:37That is a different dude. Holy crap. The free play where he hit him.
28:41I forgot who was calling the game. Cause I watched this one on TV, but he was just screaming, throw it to Justin.
28:48And I was thinking, it must be so hard to call Vikings games and not just scream, throw it to Justin mid
28:54play, because I would literally just, if I was Carson Wentz, throw it to him probably 40 times a game.
29:00So that was, uh, I'm going green Bay here.
29:03I know I sounded pretty apocalyptic about the offensive line.
29:06I just think Jordan loves too good. And, um, I don't think the Jets on the backend match up well with these Packers skill players.
29:14So it's, this is why the pass rush is so important for them in this one.
29:19So, but I, you know, very nervous about this green Bay team right now.
29:23I don't know. I'm going to have my cake and eat it too.
29:27I'm going to say that Matthew golden has another good game and I'm going to say the Jets, uh, pull this one off.
29:34Okay. There you go. Um, you have pull this up Eagles Titans.
29:38Speaking of the aforementioned disastrous Titans offensive line. Wolf, wolf.
29:41Yeah. So I'm going to go positive. I'm going to try and get some, it's just tough on Tennessee.
29:46It's going to, they are Tennessee and Miami are going to be in a dog fight all year long to, uh, to
29:53get the first pick in the draft is my, my guess there.
29:57But when you have a Dickerson who is not playing well for Philly and then, um, he goes on IR, which needed to happen.
30:04He was not good, but I think there's going to be a little bit of a shuffle.
30:09I don't know if what, you know, what's been announced or how it's going to go.
30:14I'm assuming Juergens is going to go to garden.
30:17Kendall go to center, which means you got two guys kind of at new positions.
30:21I mean, I'm assuming that's what happens. I know it feels like Kendall will be that guy.
30:26It's just whether, whether they want to move Juergens or, or not.
30:30Lampkin erasure. I love Lampkin's my favorite, but I don't think, I don't think he's going to be the guy.
30:36I'm just kidding. That's the tiny, the tiny center.
30:39Jeffrey Simmons against a shuffled deck. Like that's your, that's your positive Titan spin that I can give you right there.
30:45So that's all, that's basically all I've got. The other side of it.
30:49Yeah. Yes. The other side of it is ugly.
30:5210 yards out of bounds. I mean, or I'm just like, what was that?
30:56And then he's guiding the ball in the middle of the field.
31:00Like he just is, he literally, you can, it sounds amateurish, like in an analytical sense, he's trying too hard.
31:06Like he has to just lay free and let it go.
31:09And don't be results oriented. Just let the ball go and rip it.
31:13He's trying to guide the ball and it's taken off on him.
31:17It's taken off on him in the sideline. It's taken off on him in the middle of the field.
31:23So give him some easy completions, get them in the flow of the game.
31:27And you've got to, you've got to instill in him.
31:30Like we're going to live with some mistakes, throw an interception.
31:33We don't care, but like, just let it, let it go.
31:37You are playing way too pent up right now.
31:39Tough watch felt like the similar to the preseason.
31:42It felt like the timing was off too, between him and the receivers on everything.
31:47And unfortunately this is not the defense where you bounce back.
31:50Although, you know, some weaknesses. Cooper Jean struggled a little bit last, this week, which was weird.
31:55Antonio Williams. Antonio Williams. I thought, when's the commanders?
31:58Who do we got? Do you have that one?
32:00Or, yeah, you do. I'll say this. I thought Antonio Williams was Stefan Diggs like three times in this game.
32:07Cause he was already in the number 14 too.
32:09And just some of his releases and the way he's moving.
32:13I was like, whoa, throw it to Diggs. Oh, that's not Stefan Diggs.
32:17It's Antonio Williams. He, he needs more snaps. But back to the Titans.
32:21Yeah. I, the offense, I don't know, man, that's, you're making some really good points about Cam.
32:26And I think what he can do to be better is just a really tough matchup.
32:31Um, it's the Eagles offense. I do want to get into depth at some point, not after this, but like the offensive
32:37line was such a problem and it was the under center run game was so bad because of it.
32:43And they couldn't get any movement. And I just question whether this is the week to try that because of the one
32:50Titans, it is, you know, a matchup advantage that you alluded to.
32:53That's the one. Yeah, it's the one. So I kind of think we're just going to see the G.
32:59then hurts offense this week. Scrambles, throw it outside the numbers.
33:02Maybe you get some Goddard who was great in week one.
33:06Um, so taking the Eagles here, I imagine you are too.
33:09I just went on a rabbit, uh, trail while you were talking right there.
33:13I mean, like I know I had to go back through and find them.
33:18They call them like the baseball cards. So when a guy gets picked, uh, we'll have like the little nuggets for him on the screen.
33:25So I have to like for Antonio Williams, I put quicker than fast wins at the top of route.
33:31And I wrote down Jaden Reed was my, uh, my comparison of him with some of that quickness coming out, but he was fun.
33:38He was fun to watch. Yeah. Great hands on touchdown too, by the way.
33:42Geez. He's going to be good. Uh, I like Philly in this game.
33:46I do think some of the under center stuff, um, work in progress in the run game, but they did hit, I believe it was Wicks, right?
33:55That was the deep shot off play action in that one.
33:58That was it. Fun to see. That was about it.
34:01That was fun to see. Give you a little taste.
34:04Wicks look great. I mean, the Philly skill players look really good.
34:08It's funny. Lemon didn't do it, but like, but hustle man, I didn't like how they used him.
34:13It was so predictable. Use him in the middle of the field.
34:17Like let him go work. Why he was brought in.
34:20Like that's what he does. Swing passes and screams.
34:23All right. Vikings bears. Ah, this is a good one.
34:26All right. So we are both talking about this one.
34:29I mentioned this on Tuesday. Bears fans were like, talk about our offense.
34:33Cause we didn't talk about them. And our winners.
34:35Okay. Here it is. Bears offense. Holy mackerel. That's your side of the ball.
34:40You have the, the fun side in this one, which is a bears offense versus Vikings defense.
34:45Electric. Very fun. To me, I just looked down there.
34:48I just said, this is, it was burden last week, you know, who got, got the party started from the passing game.
34:54This is going to be, this feels like a Loveland game to me with all the different, with the pressure looks you're going to get.
35:02You're going to want to find some, some quick options and, and completions for Caleb.
35:07And I think you can find them there. So that's my kind of what to look for against this Minnesota defense, try
35:13and slow that group down with all the exotics you're going to get is having answers and having quick answers.
35:19So I think this is a Loveland game from that standpoint.
35:23I mean, the Minnesota defense, I mean, green Bay for the issues they had protecting in that game.
35:28Gosh, they still threw for almost 400 yards against them.
35:31So that's kind of what I'm keeping an eye on.
35:34The good, the crazy thing on the bears when I went through their tape and I mentioned it earlier this week on
35:41our podcast was they scored 59 points and left stuff out there.
35:45Like Caleb still had a couple stray bullets. Like he still missed a couple throws where, you know, you got crossers wide open.
35:51Like there's, I don't know, it doesn't even feel like they're banging their head on the ceiling and they just scored 59 points, which is pretty scary.
36:00He, such a crazy game. You're right. Could have been more, but like I, he also, I, I've really loved, obviously he
36:06had some insane throws, super crazy highlight throws that very few people on earth can make some out of structure stuff, which
36:13like they didn't always hit last year, but like on the short throws to like, there were so many games last year
36:20where he would just like inexplicably miss like a nine yard hitch or something.
36:24And he was like nails. Granted again against, you know, panics, but like, I think everything you wanted to see out of
36:31him in that in week one versus last season in terms of just hitting the singles, hitting the doubles, and obviously the
36:37occasional home run, he met the occasion. So, it's a scary proposition.
36:41This is a great matchup. Ben Johnson has had a lot of success against Brian Flores.
36:46Caleb, I also think has been good against this defense.
36:49I remember his rookie season even, which was, you know, the, the, the, Ibra Flusser.
36:53Yeah. I don't even remember who was the, now it's crazy.
36:57It was only two years ago. And I'm like, who's calling plays?
37:00They switched. They fired someone. Oh, no. At one point it was Shane Waldron.
37:05The running back coach was, was it the running back coach?
37:08Then it was switched to the running. It was interim.
37:11Yeah. Anyways. Jeez, that feels like so long ago.
37:14But even in that rookie season, I remember being like really impressed by how Caleb held up against the Brian, the Vikings defense.
37:21Those were two games where I was like, there's something here, guys.
37:24Because, you know, the Flores defense, like it makes you play quarterback at such a high level and make really difficult throws.
37:31And he, he has the ability to do that.
37:34Makes you play fast. Yeah. I think that the Vikings will struggle with their run game as anyone will.
37:40But that's one thing where it, against the Vikings too, there's certain teams that can just like, if you can really run
37:46the football on them, then you can stay out of those third and longs and also the early down blitzes.
37:52So I, I think, I think the bears offense, they're going to be more tested, but I do think that they're going
37:59to be able to move the ball in Minnesota.
38:02On the other side, we have likely Carson. It's probably Carson Wentz against the bears defense.
38:07And, and this is the downside of the bears.
38:09Uh, the Vikings receivers are an absolute mismatch for this bear secondary.
38:13Your guy, Thieneman was like the best player out there.
38:16Um, the corners were awful. I thought in the Carolina game.
38:19I mean, when Jalen Johnson's getting routed up by Jonathan Brooks, you know, things aren't going well.
38:24He's running back. Tyreek Stevenson, Coker took, uh, like, went at everyone.
38:28Uh, T-Mac had a couple of beats on Johnson that were really bad.
38:32So, you know, and I think the bear, the Panthers receivers are pretty like underrated and, and it's, it's actually quite a
38:39good group, but, this Minnesota group is a problem.
38:41So this question for me is just, can Carson Wentz not turn it over and give these receivers a chance to win?
38:48Um, I'm going to go bears here. I think even if when skits, a few, I just don't think he's going to
38:55be consistent enough to match up with Caleb in this game.
38:58Yeah. I thought we might be different there. I thought you might go in the other direction, but it's just hard for me with Carson Wentz.
39:06Yeah. But even with the bears defense, his friends as bad as they are.
39:10Just, you look at the quarterback matchup and I'll always have, and I love Flores and I love the style and I
39:17love the, you know, the numbers of the numbers and his results are impeccable.
39:21But I was just in the building when I saw, uh, the charters one year with Keenan Allen, who might've caught like
39:2816, 18 balls against them because they just were going to let, they're going to let it go.
39:33They're going to let it go one-on-one out there.
39:36So then I, I've gone to every Flores game thinking who can do what Keenan Allen did.
39:41And that's why I'm like, Oh, okay, I'll take Loveland.
39:44I'll take Loveland, get him out there, find the matchup that you want.
39:48And he can win early. Last game for the break.
39:51Saints Ravens is me. Um, I'll be quick here.
39:54So I talked about the Ravens offense in the first part of this week.
39:58Now I want to talk about the Ravens defense.
40:01And basically my key is can Tyler Shuck handle the Ravens insane pressures?
40:05Um, very fun to watch back. Some of these pressures from week one against Indianapolis, the Ravens pass rush, the four man rush had a 42% pressure rate.
40:13The blitzes hit 60% of the time. Um, it's quite a contrast with Jesse mentor his old team.
40:19Sorry. In terms of getting pressure on some of those, those rushes, the way he used Kyle Hamilton was diabolical in this game.
40:26Uh, just, you had to lay on him behind Tedious Robinson.
40:29You'd put him opposite him. He would, um, there were like delayed blitzes with him coming through different gaps.
40:35Um, I thought Hendrickson, the way he used him sometimes as the looper.
40:39He was also very, just, he looked pretty good to, I thought, uh, just rushing straight up.
40:44I, it was a lot for Indianapolis to handle.
40:47And, uh, Tyler Shuck in this, in the second half really solved the lion's blitz.
40:51And that was a big part of the 300 plus yards we talked about.
40:56This is a different animal. I think this Ravens pass rush is going to be a really significant problem for quarterbacks going forward.
41:03Everything always comes back to the Chargers. I mean, I just, it's just former Chargers offensive coordinator slash head coach now with,
41:09uh, the Saints going up against former defensive coordinator, Jesse Minner.
41:13I feel like calling the Charger games, I get a chance to see a lot of the league.
41:18They all kind of like, kind of make their way through their time in LA.
41:23Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So see what that looks like.
41:25I'll go, I'm going Baltimore here. Yeah. I'll put you on that one.
41:29All right. Let's take a quick break. Come back out, uh, and got a few more games, a couple of really good ones.
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42:54Before we get to Jags Broncos, let's go Steelers Patriots.
42:57That's you first. Yeah, Steelers Patriots. Hold on. Where did I put this thing on here?
43:02This is in New England, right? Okay. I'm guessing New England's favorite.
43:06Yeah, it's in New England. I've gone through all that stuff.
43:09For some reason, I didn't write that one down.
43:12Yeah, well, to me, look, Pittsburgh catch the football.
43:14That helps. We'll start there. That would be a key for them offensively.
43:18I do like where they are with their fronts, with the offensive line, with the young pieces they have there, and the defensive front.
43:26Watt, you know, obviously grabbed the headlines with the splash plays, but they got a bunch of dudes they roll through there.
43:32They've drafted well in the trenches the last few years, and I think you saw that.
43:37So I picked them, which surprised a lot of people.
43:40I picked Pittsburgh to win that division just because I believe in them up front, and I thought Rodgers would be better another year removed from the Achilles.
43:49So we didn't see the numbers because of the drops, but I'm curious on this football team.
43:54I'm a little higher than others. And then with the Patriots side of things, Drake was just trying to do too much in that game against Seattle.
44:02It wasn't just the pick at the end of the game.
44:05He was just trying to just do too many hard things.
44:09Just take the easy throw. Take the easy completion.
44:11I think you'll see, he's a smart kid. I think he'll make that adjustment.
44:16I think they'll be a little more cognizant of just taking the layups, taking the easy completions.
44:21And I think because of that, you see a conservative, a little more conservative group there, which means they don't turn it
44:28over, but I don't think they're going to score a zillion points against Pittsburgh.
44:32I think this is going to be a low-scoring game, and I actually like Pittsburgh to win that game.
44:38AJ Brown being out. I mean, just seeing how that Patriots receiving group and passing game looked without him.
44:43I think Dobbs will be better. I know, he'll be better.
44:47But this is what I'm interested schematically in how Patrick Graham, the Steelers defensive coordinator, approaches this.
44:52And still, Joey Porter Jr. remains not playing, I guess.
44:55Not playing. Let's put it that way. Not on the team.
44:58He's on the team. He's not playing or whatever.
45:01But, you know, I think I was... So against Cooper Rush, there were some definite differences from the Steelers' defense of Yor,
45:08which was a very single high cover three man coverage.
45:11They played, I thought, more split safety against... But this is one where, like, I think with Drake May, too, we've seen
45:17Seattle not put down a blueprint by any means.
45:20I don't want to say that. But we have seen him force the ball into split safety coverage now a few times against Seattle.
45:27So if I'm Patrick Graham in Pittsburgh, I probably take a page from that a little bit.
45:32And then you count on your, like you said, the pass rush.
45:36You have an advantage there against the New England offensive line.
45:39For me, though, like on the other side of the ball, like I also think that New England defense has an advantage against this Pittsburgh.
45:47I think I was really impressed by, I mean, just like Gabe Ackes, like sure, in the week one against Seattle.
45:53I thought New England's defense played really well. So I'll go Patriots here because I think I just believe in the quarterback
46:00more, even though I think both of these defenses, to your point, probably have a beat on both of these offenses and have matchup advantages.
46:08Okay, Jags-Broncos. Yeah, this is a great one. I'll go Denver offense here and I'll start first of all, you know, going
46:14back through and trying to figure out what the heck was going on with Jalen Waddell.
46:19That was one that we talked about all off season.
46:22Having seen that team in person twice a year in doing the Charger games, I'm like, that's kind of the missing, he's
46:29like the perfect missing piece for them. And in my other job as a draft analyst, like going into that draft, I
46:36didn't know who to give him in a mock draft.
46:39So I'm like, nobody makes sense. And then they make that trade and I'm like, okay, perfect.
46:44That's exactly what they needed. And then you come into the first game and it wasn't just that, okay, he gets, you
46:50know, it's a poor throw from Drake on a third down that he can't convert it.
46:55So it's like third and four. It's wrong shoulder.
46:58So he gets like two yards and he dropped a one step slant.
47:02That would have been, it had a good chance to be an explosive.
47:06Okay. Take that off to the side. He runs a wheel route wide open Drake or then, uh, sorry, bonex doesn't throw it.
47:13And then, um, I'm like, okay, where's the emphasis on just getting the ball in his hands and you're running bubbles to Pat Bryant.
47:20Like Pat Bryant is a physical tough, like he's a good player.
47:24I know they're very high on him, but if we're going to have basically the ball going to one person on a
47:31play where there's no decision to be made, I'm getting that ball in Jalen Waddell's hands, especially early in the ball game,
47:37they were force feeding the ball to Pat Bryant.
47:40I'm like, what planet am I living on? Why did you go get this guy?
47:44If you're not going to feature him in plays like that, I didn't understand it.
47:49It's okay. So how many can I had a conversation about Jalen Waddell leading up to the game and last week in
47:56our preview where we, it's not thought process similar to what you, uh, kind of outlined.
48:01This is the missing piece. They need bonex to start throwing over the middle of the field.
48:06They need to unlock the intermediate stuff. If Jalen, you bring in Jalen Waddell's to get that out of your quarterback, Jalen Waddell's, Jalen Waddell.
48:13And, uh, he is so dynamic with the ball in his hands.
48:17He's in, you know, it creates opportunities for other people, yada, yada.
48:21But what do you do then as a play caller when your quarterback doesn't see it?
48:25Doesn't want to live in that world. You have to, to your point, find ways to get him involved.
48:31Otherwise, as you try to coax that out of the quarterback.
48:35So like, it's kind of, there was so much conversation around Davis Webb and is it his fault?
48:40Or is it Nix's fault? Or is it Waddell's fault?
48:43Kind of all of the above, I actually think is the answer.
48:47Um, you know, Waddell had to drop, but like the quarterback has to be better.
48:51But as a play caller, I feel like you have to recognize, it also felt like, I mean, Kansas City just had
48:58such a beat on the screens, the boots, and what they wanted to do.
49:02And I think the Chiefs defense is going to quietly be very good this year now.
49:07And that's, that was kind of one of my biggest week one takeaways.
49:11But guess what? Jacks defense is pretty damn good too.
49:14This is a good unit. So, um, yeah, it's a significant challenge.
49:18Inside, Walker off the edge was really, really good last week against Cleveland.
49:22Um, they, they rushed him a little bit inside as well.
49:25So they're moving him around. Um, the only thing that I'm, you know, if I'm trying to give Denver some hope here
49:32against the Jags defense that just stops the run is that Watson did have, I think he had like 38 yards rushing.
49:38So you got Bo Nix, who's been struggling. You got a team that's going to be tough to just run the ball
49:45with your regular run game, but they have been a little bit vulnerable versus an athletic quarterback.
49:50I think you could kill two birds with one stone there and let's get Bo Nix on the outside.
49:56Let's let Bo Nix run a little bit, um, and try and supplement your passing game that way.
50:01Jacks offense Broncos defense. Um, so I'm tempted to talk about the run game after what we saw the Broncos defense give up against Kansas city.
50:09And I thought the Jags 12 personnel running game looked good.
50:13Um, this last week, last week against Cleveland, talking about all these rookie tight ends.
50:17Nate Bergercher had more snaps than Jacoby Myers and Parker Washington in this game.
50:21They don't take him that high. Yeah. They drafted him for a reason.
50:25All these like tight ends in the mid rounds were like quite present.
50:29Um, but anyways, so that I do think they're going to try to run the ball.
50:34I do, you know, they're going to try to do what Kansas city did to some degree, get things nice and condensed,
50:41make those corners, tackle, ask the tight ends to block.
50:44Um, so that's, that's definitely something to look for here in this game.
50:48Certainly after what we saw, but I think my key and what I want to see is can this Jags offensive line hold up against Denver?
50:56Because Kansas city didn't really ask their line to pass protect this last week.
51:00Patrick threw the ball and like a lightning fast.
51:03Mm-hmm. Yeah. The Jags with Trevor Lawrence is part of this like renaissance or whatever you want to call it.
51:09He is attacking downfield and against Cleveland on throws over two and a half seconds, 10 for 14 for 189 yards and three touchdowns.
51:16Can you do that? Uh, Anton Harrison and Cole Van Lane and their, the tackles only gave up one pressure, zero quick pressures.
51:23Can you do that against Denver? I want to see that.
51:26Right. Cause we talked about the angry Texans defense.
51:29This Broncos defense has pride too, and they're going to want to get after it.
51:34And by the way, the last time they played Jacksonville, Trevor Lawrence cooked them.
51:38Less people forget. So I think that I'm very interested in seeing their approach on the ground, but also whether this past
51:45game, whether this offensive line, because if this offensive line holds up again, week two against this team, what is stopping this
51:51offense from finishing in the top five this year?
51:54Yeah. No, it's, it's got a chance to be as balanced as any.
51:58And I would think that even as much success as they had pushing the ball down the field, they're going to come out, try and run the ball.
52:06I would guess if, you know, you think back to like football movies when you were a kid and like, Hey, you
52:13fumbled, like, Hey, you have to carry a football to class.
52:16Like does Riley Moss have like a tackling like donut that he has to just like carry with him everywhere.
52:23And then people just roll it to him and he can just work on wrapping and getting guys on the ground.
52:29That was atrocious. So they're going to have to, there's no way Denver can tackle that bad again.
52:34Like that was, it was a week one thing.
52:37I choose to believe that. It was not. No, there was others.
52:41I mean, Singleton had a bazillion tackles. He still missed a handful of tackles.
52:45Funga came down and missed a tackle. There's a bunch of them.
52:49Kansas City went after Singleton a lot. This is always something, you know, when you're an offense coordinator, you look at this Denver depth chart.
52:56He's the guy that you're circling that you're going to go after in coverage too.
53:01So I wouldn't be surprised if Liam Cohen also tries to get Brenton Strange on him to try to, you know, use
53:07the running backs in the passing game. But, yeah, I think like this is to me is, I think if Jags win
53:14this game and I'm going to pick them to win instantly, this is like become, they become seen talked about as contenders
53:21and maybe a way that they should be already.
53:24But it feels like they need one. This is going to get a lot of eyeballs on it.
53:29Yeah, I've been a notorious like skeptic, I should say, on the Jags.
53:33I just don't know why I've seen them in person and how physical they are.
53:38This is my last one. I swear I promised you on my Walt Disney plaque for 10 years.
53:4310 years of service, Mina. I've only worked at the company for six months, but 10 years, it's gone by in the blink of an eye.
53:51That happened. Yeah, it's corporate mergers. You get the credit.
53:54Wow. Credit for previous years served. So, yeah, the mouse and everything.
53:58I will put my left hand on my 10-year plaque of service and say if the Jags win this game, I will never doubt them ever again.
54:06But just one last time, I'm going to take Denver.
54:09Okay, good. We're on a few opposite sides here.
54:12All right. Magical years, by the way, it says.
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54:28Oh, that's good. All right. You have Raiders Chargers.
54:31All right. Let's get into it. I have not.
54:33That was it. Bears fans were mad at me that I didn't pick the Chargers.
54:38Or, pardon me, the Bears is a winner. And then people were mad that I didn't trash the Chargers on Tuesday.
54:44So, let's get into it. Raiders Chargers. Yeah. Is this a bounce back opportunity for LA?
54:49What a letdown. They looked. My biggest takeaway was a couple things.
54:53Maybe even more so defensively than offensively. Thank you.
54:56The inability to rush the quarterback. People are not talking about this enough.
54:59Everyone's the most. Because I think it's the Mike McDaniel hype and all of that.
55:04And I'm watching this defense. Like, how? No. They couldn't rush.
55:07Tule. The whole group. I don't want to single him out.
55:11But they just didn't have. It looked slow. They looked like a slow defense.
55:15So, they couldn't get home with their regular rush.
55:18So, then they tried adding on. And Arizona picked it up clean.
55:21They didn't get any run-throughs. Like, whether that's the design or the execution.
55:25They didn't get hardly any pressure. So, you left yourself vulnerable on the back end.
55:30And you're just playing kind of soft coverage. And they've, you know, Brissette's a veteran quarterback.
55:35He's just going to find soft spots. And they just picked them apart.
55:39And McBride got the best of Derwin. Which doesn't happen very often.
55:42Where, you know, Derwin, when usually there's a problem.
55:45Even if it's in the slot or if it's a tight end.
55:49Like, Derwin kind of gets that matchup. And the goal is for him to just kind of make it go away.
55:55And McBride still was able to get his. So, defensively, that was a major concern.
56:00Offensively, look, they hit some big ones early. But it almost felt like, you know, just doing too much.
56:05They got behind the sticks a ton with sacks and penalties.
56:09It was a very sloppy, sloppy game for them offensively.
56:12I'm not as worried there. Although, I don't know, you know, with Lad McConkie's situation.
56:16That's a concern. When he went out to field, it was rough.
56:20Oh, it was nothing. They had nothing. So, and, you know, we'll see if they can get the run game going.
56:26But I was more concerned leaving the stadium about the pass rush and the defense.
56:31Thinking offensively, this is new coordinator, new system. They'll find how it works for them.
56:35But defensively is where I was more troubled. So, totally agree.
56:39Because the offense, I felt like, had a lot of correctable errors.
56:42You talked about the penalties, turning the ball over.
56:45Also, there was a black punt. Yeah. There was some fluky stuff in there.
56:49There was some weird stuff. When Hampton runs into the back of his own player and fumbles when you're getting ready to score.
56:56And, like, the pass game with McConkie did look quite explosive at times.
57:00So, I think it was... Probably the bigger disappointment for me was I thought the run game off tackle would be more, like, I don't know.
57:08It's obviously... I was so excited about it with McDaniel.
57:11And it felt like they just weren't, like, some of the tight ends and they weren't getting the blocks off the way
57:18that they thought they would when Hampton would run to the perimeter.
57:22But I think that'll all be better. Obviously, the interior of the offensive line remains...
57:26Like, Dante stills... Especially in third and long. ...cooking the...
57:29That's... The platoon, by the way, of left guards, which I don't...
57:33Maybe you can explain to me the logic there.
57:35But the defense, I'm so glad you highlighted it because I think it's been lost in all of this.
57:41Jacoby Brissett against the Blitz in this game, 8 for 12 for 84 yards and a touchdown.
57:46It just wasn't affecting him. And I hated to...
57:49You don't want to always talk about the one who got away, but, like, compare that to the Blitzes I saw in Baltimore that were, like...
57:57Yeah. You know, right? I was talking about them having a 60% pressure rate on those Blitzes.
58:02And they were trying to Blitz a lot, which is the charge of defense never Blitz last year.
58:08But it felt like they were forced into it and then they weren't good at it.
58:13So... Yeah. Some concerning stuff on that defense, and that's kind of been my fear all along, is that even if the
58:19offense does improve, the defense is going to take a step back without Minter.
58:23And that was my worry. And by the way, now you're going up against a Raiders offense that, you know, is not perfect.
58:30I think Cousins is somewhat of a limited quarterback at this point.
58:34But looks incredibly well-designed, I thought. Like, Clint Kubiak knows what he's doing.
58:38He is going to find ways to run the football on L.A.
58:42And the Raiders offensive line improved. Well, here's their better coached.
58:45They're better coached. And it's not like they've made...
58:48I mean, you get to upgrade at center, and Colt Miller being back helps.
58:52But there's still not a great group up front.
58:55But it just shows you the difference that some coaching could make.
58:58I was more space, God willing, that you could play the Miami Dolphins every single week.
59:03But that was more space than JT ever saw at any point last year.
59:07And it's no surprise. He didn't just go from this hyped player, you know, who a lot of folks, myself included, really
59:14believed in, to like, he's just not any good.
59:17Like, he was running into a wall. There was no space last year.
59:21So that's encouraging if you're a Raiders fan. And then, I don't know where we are, you know, as we're recording this, what Bauer's availability looks like.
59:29But I would imagine if he's watching what Trey McBride did last week that he'd be wanting to get out there.
59:35I'm going to go Chargers bounce back here. I just think the quarterback's not going to have another bad game like that.
59:42And this, I think some of it had to do with everyone, myself included, underrating the Cardinals a little bit and some of the talent they had.
59:50They have real guys on offense. They have a professional quarterback.
59:54I thought some of the young defensive players played well too in that game.
59:58So, but I just think Justin Hurwitz bounces back.
60:01How about you? Have you looked at the Chargers schedule after this game?
60:05I was trying to pull it up. No, is it gnarly?
60:08It's gnarly, yeah. So, must win. So, there's, yeah, I hate him.
60:12Ooh, Bill Seahawks, Broncos, Chiefs, Rams. Ooh, that is not nice.
60:15Gotta win this game. God damn. So, I'm going to pick the Chargers.
60:19I think you'll see a little urgency there knowing what's on the horizon.
60:23Okay, so I have Dolphins Niners. So, I think just what I want to focus on here is why this Dolphins run game can get going?
60:31Because I think as good as the Niners defense was against LA, you did see, I thought the Rams actually were really
60:37good at running the ball on them. It's just Matthew Stafford was like bizarrely bad in that game.
60:43And I thought, you know, with Malik Willis and A-Chan that this was going to be a really fun, creative, wonky, let's
60:49throw it back to, you know, 1920s run game.
60:52And it really wasn't. And I thought, like, A-Chan didn't do anything week one.
60:56But also, like, it was so much of him running under center.
61:00I thought, like, I know it was funny because we were talking about that on NFL Live.
61:05It's a league-wide trend, all of that. That's not what I want from this offense.
61:10I almost like, when they, when Waddle walked and Willis came in, DJ, I was like, I kind of wish Greg Roman
61:16was calling this offense this year to just get freaking weird with the run game.
61:21But unless they can find a way to run the football better than that and get both the quarterback and the back
61:28involved and put defenses in conflict between the two of them, I don't see how they move the ball in San Francisco.
61:34Yeah. I do want to touch on what you said, though, because I thought that, man, if the Rams would have just
61:41stayed with the run game against the Niners, they might have had something going.
61:45Kyron and Blake Corum had a combined 52% success rate.
61:48Corum was hitting explosives. Like, they were moving it on.
61:51And some of that is structurally, I think, the way that the Niners' defense played them, and maybe they won't play them
61:58quite the same way, but I still, the Dolphins should be able to run the ball.
62:03Yeah. They're not stopping them, so they better. Taking San Francisco here.
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63:14We got four more games. Next up is Commanders Cowboys.
63:17That's you. Yeah, Commanders Cowboys. We kind of touched on a little bit of this.
63:21I won't spend a ton of time on this one.
63:24Antonio Williams is going to be the fun matchup for me.
63:28Opportunity to win there against that secondary in Dallas.
63:30And I would say on the Dallas thing to keep an eye on, with Jaden Daniels and his athleticism, man, they put
63:37Malachi Lawrence, the rookie edge rusher, in conflict on some zone reads and just went at him in the run game.
63:43He was a little bit slow on the take.
63:46And so I would imagine with the athleticism that Washington has there that they could take advantage of a little bit of that.
63:53Demarion Overshone injured. The linebacking group was a bit of a disaster.
63:57I mean, the entire Cowboys defense was a disaster.
63:59Not great. The offense really was okay. We're fine.
64:02They just didn't have any possessions. Yeah, I thought they would run the football better on New York.
64:08And I talked about this. Did I talk about this on Tuesday?
64:11You know who I thought was incredible in that?
64:14Well, we're going to get to Giants-Rams. Abdel Carter.
64:17Ooh, buddy. Yeah, he's juicy. Kid can play. I think you want to really steal some of the Giants' playbook.
64:23Like, J. Daniels, just fall out fast. Don't let the Cowboys' defensive tackles are good.
64:27But boy, there are a lot of other places that you can attack.
64:31See if they've fixed any of the problems in zone coverage that we saw last week.
64:36That was just disastrous. On the other side, though, I will say I didn't get to this at all.
64:42I thought the Commander's defense had some nice moments against Philadelphia, particularly the front.
64:46Like, I was impressed by some of their pressures.
64:49Sonny Stiles had some pretty cool—made some pretty significant plays in that game.
64:53So, you know, this could be a little bit—I think they're going to be improved on that side of the ball.
64:59Can I pick against the Cowboys? It's a tough one.
65:02Sonny Stiles, by the way, that was a tough one for the preseason bust police that want to throw that label out there.
65:09There's one play where he missed it. That wasn't his assignment, but he missed it again.
65:14Yeah, I'm going to go Dallas here. Dallas offense, I feel like that's bad.
65:18I have to go Dallas. I stinking picked Dak to win the MVP.
65:22They can't start out 0-2. So, I'm going to selfishly pick Dallas, although I do not have a high confidence level based
65:29off what we just saw, that defense. CX Cardinals is me.
65:32Drew Locke. Still don't know when Sam Donald's going to be back.
65:36Against Feisty. We talked about it. Feisty Cardinals defense.
65:39So, I'm going to focus on that because it's kind of the biggest X factor in this one.
65:44And I think what I'm going to say is if Drew Locke can stay protected in this one, I actually think he can attack them.
65:52Against New England, very good when he was kept clean.
65:55They used a lot of play action. When he was under center against New England, he went 7-7 for 160 yards and a touchdown.
66:02Perfect passer rating. The thing about Drew Locke is at least he'll attack.
66:06He's not scared. Sometimes that can lead to bad moments and misses.
66:10I'm not going to tell you right now here that he should be a starting quarterback.
66:15But your offense isn't heavily, like, you are actually able to use, like, attack through the passing game in a way that,
66:21like, with some backup quarterbacks, you just can't. And I think where things get kind of froggy with him is when he's
66:28under pressure and he's in panic and not just in terms of, like, turning the ball over or the risk of that, but, like, inaccuracies.
66:35So, if they can just keep him clean in this game against Arizona, I think he has, you know, the Seahawks can
66:42– there's a lot of mismatches for them through the passing game.
66:46Um, Herbert, by the way, actually killed him on play action a bunch in the last game, too.
66:51So, you know, I thought that – we talked about Dante Stills.
66:55I thought Roy Lopez, again, some of that had to do with the Chargers offensive line.
67:00But I feel like this is just kind of a – this is going to be very similar to the New England game.
67:07Can Drew Locke give you two touchdowns kind of game?
67:10Because I think Seahawks' defense will rise to the occasion.
67:13Yeah, my two things on this one real quick is I think you'll see Seattle's going to catch them in a blitz
67:19because I don't think they're going to be able to get home with just their four.
67:24So, they're going to send extra bodies and JSN has the ability to pay that off.
67:29So, we've already seen what that looks like. So, I think they get enough explosives off that if they can time that up well.
67:36And then the other side of it is I think that – I think that you'll see Love get more involved in
67:43the pass game on the Arizona side of things.
67:46I think he only caught two balls last week.
67:49Like, I think that's one – against Seattle, that's your best shot.
67:52That's your best matchup is to go see if he can get out there and do some things.
67:58I was thinking about that as New England – because I was – Seattle, I think, went into that game against New
68:04England with such glaring weaknesses in the secondary and they weren't able to exploit them for a litany of reasons, one of
68:11which is just they're so damn well coached. They're just connected.
68:14Dude, like seeing some of the coverage busts around the NFL this week and thinking back to the Seahawks game and just
68:21watching them like move on a string in the pass and coverage just – yeah, I don't know.
68:27I just – like I really hope people appreciate what Mike McDonald is able to do with that unit.
68:32But – and like, you know, Cardinals – like, I mean, Trey McBride gave Derwin James a business.
68:38I know. He is an unbelievable tight end. So I think they might be able to attack the safeties.
68:44I think – I haven't checked if Tai Okada will be – I think he's going to be healthy in this one.
68:50I think they try and get to Ernest. I think they try and get to Ernest out with Jeremiah Love getting to Ernest Jones.
68:58That's a good one. That's the – that's the one.
69:01I think – I think even with Drew Locke, I think Seattle can win this because the defense.
69:06And I think Drew Locke can do enough. But this is obviously going to be close.
69:11Yep. I'll take Seattle. All right. We got two more.
69:14I actually didn't put them in correct order. So one of them is mine and then we – Giants or Rams were doing both.
69:21I have Colts, Chiefs. All right. So we talked a lot about the Chiefs on Tuesday on this show and the run game and the commitment to it.
69:30The Colts just got bodied on the ground by Baltimore.
69:33Derrick Henry, 144 yards, four 10-plus yard runs. Going back and watching some of them, I mean, the – it was a
69:39– the defensive line for Indianapolis really – like DeForest Buckner, God love him.
69:44But they got pushed around by Baltimore's offensive line.
69:46And then the safeties in the corners as well really struggled to tackle.
69:50We just saw Kansas City, their philosophy on offense this year is we're going to make a tackle.
69:56So if they can't improve – if Indianapolis' defense can't improve upon what I saw on Sunday in terms of run defense
70:02and tackling, I think Kansas City can move the ball on them just the way that they did on Denver, even though they're not taking them by surprise.
70:11Yeah, I think they have a little time to get ready for this thing.
70:15I think it's a better matchup for Indy than what they saw last week.
70:19Those – you know, Sauce particularly does not match up with Zay Flowers.
70:23That's the worst style of wide receiver for him to cover.
70:27And they don't – Zay Flowers is on another planet from what he's going to see from Kansas City out there.
70:33So I think that's a better matchup there. I think Lamar and having to account for him in the run game helped
70:40open things up as well for Derrick Henry. Certainly Mahomes scrambled around a little bit, but that's not the same type threat.
70:47And the Kansas City team, as good as they ran the ball, the pass game was not in any sinker rhythm under center.
70:53I didn't think Mahomes is nearly as comfortable operating under center as a thrower.
70:58He was 0 for 4. Yeah, it was – we talked about this.
71:02It's so weird how he always overthrows Taequann Thornton on those shots.
71:05And it doesn't – she's pass game. I mean, it's crazy that they put up 31 and Mahomes didn't have to do
71:12anything other than scramble a little bit. So – I mean, their best play was a pivot route to Kelsey.
71:18And you get McMillan misses a tackle and it's what, 59, 60 yards or what have you.
71:23So, I don't know. I just think now it's – this offensive line more is a much better run blocker than it is in pass protection.
71:31If Indy can just win some early downs, I don't think that this Chiefs passing game is – you know, where –
71:38I think it's going to get better, but I don't think it's where it needs to be right now.
71:44And I think they can find some success there.
71:46But if they – if they get hammered on first and second down, it's going to be a long day.
71:52I wouldn't be surprised if Lou Anarumo plays – like, we see some early down run blitzes.
71:58He plays it really aggressively and just dares them to beat them through the air.
72:02I did feel like Denver got a little bit taken – which is crazy, kind of, because, like, everybody knew that Kansas
72:09City was going to – like, that was their commitment.
72:12Do you think that they would stay with it?
72:15I thought – they came out, like, okay, this is their statement.
72:18You're going to come out running the ball, you know, repeatedly.
72:22And then eventually Andy will kind of get back – he'll back off from it.
72:26But they – I mean, they stayed on it.
72:29It was such a change, not just, though, in terms of running the ball, but I talked about this on NFL.
72:35I have the condensed formations, like putting Tonga in the backfield.
72:39Like, they really committed – all the skill players, like Bryce blocking as well as he did.
72:44On the flip side, though – They blocked well in that game.
72:47I know. It was crazy. I was like, Kelsey's out there blocking people.
72:51We did the – I did a tape of the duo run at their – back on their own goal line.
72:58The one where it's Rasheed Rice and Kelsey on the same side.
73:01And I swear to God, that's, like, the best block I've ever seen Kelsey make.
73:06At least – I know. As good as I've seen him block.
73:09He put his back into it. I've watched him for a decade plus.
73:13On Nick Benito. But on the flip side, like, you know, I think this Baltimore defense is very good, but I also
73:20think this Chiefs defense might be good. We talk – I mean, they just look so refreshed, dude.
73:26Like, I – and it seems like, by the way, Mansour Delane might play in this one, if I'm checking right.
73:32Mm-hmm. Oh, that's good. Yeah. Even – FAU. FAU.
73:35FAU is alive. Felix Anadike Uzama. That was – I mentioned that on NFL Live.
73:39After a quiet two years. He played great. Dude.
73:42Okay. Armazen Thomas, the get-off, awesome. Love that. 0.79 seconds was last time you saw that consistently in Kansas City.
73:48Peter Woods made plays. But, like, FAU. The forgotten man in this defense.
73:52I thought he looked good in the preseason, and then he was excellent in this game.
73:57The backers were excellent. The non-Delanes, Noel Williams. Nick Bolton was all over the field.
74:01Nick Bolton was – like, just across the board, it felt like they had such – and, by the way, talk about pressures.
74:08Last year, those Chiefs blitzes stopped getting home against Denver.
74:11They had, like, a 60% hit rate on blitzes again.
74:14So, I – we just saw this Colts team really struggle with some of those Baltimore pressures.
74:20I am worried about them in this matchup as well.
74:23I'm taking the Chiefs. Yeah, I'll take the Chiefs.
74:25I don't think the Chiefs are going to be able to physically run the ball and manhandle them the way they did.
74:32I don't – the tackling was so bad from Denver last week.
74:36So, I don't think it will look quite the same.
74:39But I think they have enough to get to the finish line.
74:42So, I'll take the Chiefs. Giants-Rams. Final game, Monday night.
74:45A game that now looks a lot more competitive than it did two weeks ago for a couple of reasons.
74:51The Giants coming off of their Week 1 triumph.
74:54The Rams now without Miles Garrett in this game.
74:57I assume Aaron Donald will play. I haven't really been following that.
75:01But I assume we'll see him a little bit.
75:03You can go first here. You have Rams offense, Giants defense.
75:07Yeah, I wrote down a little bit what we referenced earlier.
75:10Just stay with the run, too. Stay committed to it.
75:13Get yourself in third and manageables. Because, you know, as well as New York played the other night, they gave up 8 of 11 on third downs.
75:21So, there's going to be opportunities for this Rams team if they can get in those manageables to not only keep drives alive, but they can get explosives.
75:30So, you know, obviously, ideally, you don't even get to third down, but just don't find yourself in third and long against
75:36this front from the Giants because of the juice they got coming your way.
75:41And then on the Giants side of things, I'm just excited to see kind of the continued evolution of Arvel Reese and
75:47how they use him and what they do with him.
75:50He was fun to watch. Like, he got fooled on one play action, but outside of that, he ate up two screens.
75:57Like, he demolished the blocker on one and just used his speed to close down the space.
76:02And I think there's more meat on the bone with him as a Blitzer.
76:06So, I'm curious to see. They have a lot of fun chess pieces with this front, how they can utilize those guys.
76:13So, I'm curious to see how they continue to grow and evolve his role in a game like this one.
76:19Yeah, it really does seem like on this side of the ball, Rams, offense, Giants, defense, a matter of can you get them in a third and five?
76:28Because they're advantage Giants, right? You saw that against San Francisco, by the way.
76:32On third down, and I mentioned this during the game, they, last year, were not a good third down offense.
76:38They just were never in third down. They never got to it.
76:42Because they were so damn good at running the ball on early downs.
76:46So, I think for New York, that early down run defense and for the Rams, commit to it, stick with it.
76:52You're extremely good at it still. So, even if the Giants, I do think the Giants run defense is improved.
76:58Obviously, on last year, it would be hard not to be improved.
77:02But this is a good test for how improved they are.
77:05On the other side of the ball, we got a Giants offense that we saw last week wants to put a fullback
77:12on the field, live in 21-22, run the ball.
77:14Sound like a team that just played the Rams?
77:17I'm not saying that it's comparable just because they both have white running backs and white fullbacks, my friend.
77:23JB pointed that out to me. But I do think they're going to try to take a kind of similar approach, right?
77:30Which is, the Niners put their big bodies on the field, the Rams matched it with nickel as they do, and they threw them out the club.
77:38If you're New York, why would you not try to do the same thing?
77:42You want the Rams linebackers on the field, right?
77:45So, I think they're going to live in those two back sets.
77:48They'll throw out of them as well. Ball's going to come out quick, out of Jackson Dart's hands, even without Myles Garrett.
77:55And if they can, I actually think, like, I'm not saying that they can do exactly what San Francisco did.
78:01The passing attack is there. It's just more complicated.
78:04But I do think that they'll be able to run the ball in L.A., or at least they'll try to.
78:10Yeah, and I would say, from a scouting standpoint, maybe one of my favorite matchups of the entire week is when you get McDuffie working against neighbors.
78:18That's pretty fun. That is really fun. That is fun.
78:21How about Isaiah Likely last week? I didn't talk about that.
78:25He's still open. They haven't covered him yet. The Cowboys don't even know where he is.
78:29The Rams' safeties are stronger. And the Niners really went at Quentin Lake week one.
78:34And they really, I remember even putting Mike Evans in the slot.
78:38They were pretty good at hunting matchups. I think for New York, for the brain trust of Matt Nagy and Greg Roman,
78:44trying to find ways to get neighbors off of the McDuffie matchup is something that they should endeavor to do.
78:50But also just to find those matchups for Isaiah Likely.
78:53And in addition to the ground game I talked about.
78:56I think the Rams bounce back here. I think Matthew Starr, I think the run game that you alluded to is going
79:03to be pivotal for them in this one. I think they'll have success on the ground against New York.
79:09And then, no, couldn't you just see Aaron Donald coming back in this one and making a big play and...
79:15Splash play? Reminding folks that he's Aaron Donald. I don't know.
79:18I mean, this is... Maui Noah. Maui Noah and Aaron Donald.
79:22Young and old. Let's go. This is, you know, it's closer.
79:25Let me check the odds on this one. I'm interested now.
79:28Now, it is... Yeah, okay. Whoa, jeez, Luis. The Rams might open at 8.5?
79:33Wow, I would hammer the... I'm picking the Rams to win, but that seems...
79:37Yeah. It's in LA. It's a big number. It's a big number.
79:40I feel like Angry Rams maybe is a little bit playing into that.
79:44I assume you're Rams too, or...? Yeah, I'm gonna go Rams on that one.
79:49I just think they gotta stick with the run.
79:51And I think they have success on third down.
79:54Off they go. All right. That's it for the week.
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