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0:41What is going on folks? Jeremiah Retzlaff here with PlayerProfiler.
0:44I am joined by Wyatt, my co-host, and this is First Class Fantasy.
0:48We've done every single position for our rankings up to 24.
0:52And today we are going to finish it off for the offseason with the quarterback position.
0:56Wyatt, let's just kick it off with the first tier.
1:00It's pretty easy, right? I mean, it's not super surprising.
1:03We both had it the same here. Josh Allen at one, Drake May at number two.
1:07I think when we talk about these two players here, there are some conversations where people do want to have Drake May ahead of Josh Allen.
1:15And I'm not there yet. It seems like you're with me.
1:19We love Drake May. He can get there, I'm sure.
1:22But still at this point in time, it is still Josh Allen at number one for both of us.
1:27Yeah, as we've said through all of these shows, both of us kind of work in this like two to three year window when it comes to Dynasty.
1:36You know, that's how as far as we're willing to project with any given player.
1:41And when that's what we're doing, I think it's pretty easy to still have Josh Allen, number one, just because like him
1:47going 23 points per game seems pretty easy to project over the next few years.
1:52And it's hard to project that for anybody else.
1:54I'll say that, like if you're in a Dynasty League, it's you and your buddies.
1:59You've been in it for a long time. You know it's not folding anytime soon.
2:04You're going to be playing for this Dynasty League for the next 10 years.
2:08You want to have Drake May as your top QB in Dynasty?
2:11I got no problem with it. I completely understand.
2:14Yeah, and I think that's the right way to look at it.
2:18And I think the other thing about it, well, look, I love Drake May.
2:22He played great last year. It was one season, right?
2:25And so we still have to keep that in mind somewhat.
2:28Josh Allen's done it for a very long time.
2:31And he's not the kind of quarterback where, yes, he's mobile, but he's really, really big.
2:36So it's not like a Lamar, Jayden Daniels, where you're kind of worried as he gets older, he'll start to break down and maybe not run as much.
2:45Like I still think he's going to continue to run even as he gets older for the next couple of years, just because he's just a big dude.
2:53Like he just doesn't really. He's not real, you know?
2:56He's not real at all. But the next set of quarterbacks is where it starts to kind of get interesting.
3:02And this is where we start to defer, you know, on our rankings here, Wyatt.
3:07And it's Caleb Williams for me at number three.
3:09It's Lamar Jackson at number four. Jayden Daniels at number five and Joe Burrow at number six.
3:15You have it a little bit different. You have Jayden Daniels at three, Lamar at four, like myself.
3:20You have Caleb Williams at five and Joe Burrow at six, like me as well.
3:25The big difference here is it's really Jayden Daniels and Caleb Williams flipped.
3:29You have Caleb at five. I have Caleb at three.
3:32You have Jayden at three. I have Jayden at five.
3:35Right. And so I want to hear your thought process on having Jayden Daniels at number three.
3:40You know, you have them higher than Lamar, who's done it for a long time.
3:44You have them ahead of Caleb Williams, who's on an offense with a ton of weapons and looks like it's trending the
3:51right way and trending for the sky or Mars or whatever.
3:54It feels like the rocket ships are kind of strapped up onto that offense right now.
3:59But why Daniels at number four over those guys?
4:02Yeah. You know, Jayden Daniels rookie season was absolutely stellar.
4:05You know, I think we almost forget how composed he was as a rookie.
4:09Like he looked like he was already a 10 year pro the moment he stepped on an NFL football field and was just incredible.
4:17You know, performed extremely well. There was conversations about him being the QB one dynasty after his rookie season.
4:22But then the sophomore season happens where he deals with some injuries.
4:26And I understand people can be looking at that like this is what we are afraid of as when you as a
4:33prospect, because he's a little bit slender and he can be a little bit reckless with his body when he's running around.
4:39I don't want to feed into that too much because it's just how darn talented he really is and how good he is.
4:46I'm excited about what this offense is going to be this year.
4:50You know, I like the moves that they made this offseason.
4:53I don't want to put too much stock into that sophomore season when what we saw as a rookie was just so fantastic.
5:00And I truly believe in this player. He's already more of a complete QB and has been more of a complete QB than Caleb Williams, in my opinion.
5:09So I'm betting on him. Yeah. And I can definitely understand the argument there for him just being overall a better quarterback.
5:15I mean, I don't think that that's really that crazy to say, Wyatt, as I keep flipping us around here.
5:22I don't think it's that crazy to say that Caleb or Jaden has played better, like at the ceiling, you know, just
5:28overall, like playing like as an NFL quarterback. I mean, he just looked better.
5:32Right. A lot of Caleb's plays last year that were good were a lot of schoolyard football, a lot of broken down
5:39plays, a lot of plays outside of the pocket.
5:42And, you know, I totally get that. My pushback is with Jaden Daniels, you know, played only seven games last year.
5:48His rookie season, you know, he played banged up as well, left the game earlier, too, and had the rib injury.
5:55I think it was against Carolina where he started really hot.
5:58He had like a massive like 50, 60 yard run and got tackled at like 10.
6:03And then like that started the whole rib issue with him.
6:06I just worry about the size and the play style where he's just very slender.
6:11And, you know, this running upside that we look at with him, like does the team pull it back a little bit
6:17where we get a little nervous and they get a little nervous of how they utilize him?
6:23And he becomes his rushing upside comes down a little bit where, yeah, I'm not saying he's not going to run at all.
6:30This is a guy who ran for 891 yards as a rookie in 2024, but in seven games, he ran for just 278.
6:37Now, I'm not saying that that's not a lot.
6:39That's still a lot in just seven games. But when we extrapolate that over the course of the season, that's about 200
6:46yards rushing less, give or take, than what he ran for in 2024 if you pace that out for 17 games.
6:52So I just worry that they might pull the reins a little back.
6:56It's David Blau who's now coming in. We did see him with the Lions.
7:01And so just from a standpoint of health, durability, and do they try to change him a little bit?
7:06You know, maybe that takes some growing pains, but long term it's for the best.
7:11And he ends up being really good and develops into a really good passer in the pocket and doesn't have to run as much.
7:18But those are some of my concerns there. When it comes to Caleb Williams and why I had Caleb ahead of him,
7:25it's just a matter of I look at Caleb and I say, this is a guy who I think, just like Jaden, can give us top five potential.
7:33Can even give you quarterback one overall potential, just like Jaden, but just doesn't have those injury issues.
7:39Right. And also has this offense insulated around them, has a coach in Ben Johnson where it's offensive minded coach.
7:45We know even if there's turnover on the staff, Ben Johnson's still going to have his pulse on the offense where you
7:52have Dan Quinn over there with the commanders. I don't necessarily know that Dan Quinn is, is, you know, in a very secure role right now.
7:59You know, they fired coordinators last year. And yes, he did have a nice run in Jaden's rookie year, but I think there could be some turnover.
8:08And it's a defensive minded head coach where, you know, you just worry if David Blau looks phenomenal this year and this offense looks great.
8:15There's a good chance that David Blau is not, not the offensive coordinator this year because we see it time after time.
8:22Why it where these guys are poached year after year and they go and they become a head coach somewhere else.
8:28So I like the insulation. I like the young assets around Caleb Williams.
8:32And so that's why I had him where I did.
8:35But I, I, I understand having Daniels, you know, and Lamar ahead of him, but that was kind of went into the philosophy for me.
8:43For why I had Caleb where I did. Oh, you're muted for some reason.
8:47Yeah. Caleb has a fantastic situation. There's no doubt about that.
8:50He definitely has a better situation to Jane Daniels.
8:53Like that point is well conceded to you. For me though, like Caleb Williams still has work to do to be as good as Jane Daniels already is.
9:02And like that helps kind of separate it for me.
9:05Um, I'd probably even be willing to concede that.
9:07I think Caleb Williams has the higher ceiling between the two.
9:11If like they were both to reach their 95th percentile outcomes as like a player.
9:15Um, but Jane Daniels is already so close to that outcome.
9:19And I think Caleb Williams has some work to do.
9:22So, you know, if, if we see another season where Caleb Williams takes another jump, Jane Daniels is similar to who he was as a rookie.
9:30I'll revisit this and, and, and come out and possibly come out a different way.
9:34But for now it's still, still Daniels for me.
9:37I do want to talk about Lamar. Cause you both had him at four and.
9:41I almost didn't want to have Lamar still even this high.
9:45Um, I just feel like the play has kind of dropped off a little bit in just as he gets older.
9:51He's obviously dealt with some injuries. People are going to, you know, Lamar has a lot of crazy fans.
9:57And if they're listening, they'll probably want to crucify me for saying it.
10:01I just worry about how does the skillset translate over the next few years?
10:05It's also just been a lot of weird things with Lamar, like the health issues where it seems like he's got some stomach thing going on.
10:13I don't know. He missed, like he gets like sick a lot.
10:17I don't know what the deal is. Everyone remembers the Browns game where he had to go running to the bathroom.
10:23Yeah. He's mispracticed a lot for like being sick.
10:26Like, I don't know. It's weird, but. And you also factor into that's a new coaching staff.
10:31Um, it's a very young offense. It's, it's Declan who comes over from the bears.
10:36He's the offensive coordinator, but you also have Jesse Minter, who's the head coach.
10:40Again, same situation. First time head coach, not Dan Quinn was not first time, but still first time head coach that's defensive
10:46where you, again, you worry about possible turnover. What does the offense look like?
10:51And do they try to play more of a conservative kind of approach?
10:55Do they want the defense to be really good and, and kind of play like a ground and pound offense where Lamar
11:01is not taking a ton of hits because they want to preserve him for, you know, maybe down the stretch playoff runs.
11:08Like it would not surprise me if that's the route that they want to go.
11:13And, uh, so that's why I had Lamar at four.
11:16I think Lamar is a really, really big sell right now in general too, in dynasty.
11:20If you can tear off of him, uh, especially if you're in a rebuild, like I would, I would be happy to
11:27take, uh, you know, a tear down to like a Trevor Lawrence and a 20, 27, you know, top five pick.
11:34Um, I would be absolutely willing to do that.
11:36Even if I wasn't in a massive rebuild, I'd be comfortable taking a swing on a, on a trade like that as well.
11:43Uh, you know, Lamar Jackson, like I'm just not going to quit a player who's shown the ceiling that he has like
11:50so consistently, basically outside of only this past season when things were rough and that was dealing with injury.
11:56Didn't quite look the same after he came back fully.
11:59Um, but when he's been as good as he's been so often he, as he has been.
12:04Like this dude's not leaving my top five. I'd have a really tough time moving off of him for somebody for another
12:11quarterback that isn't within this top five. If I'm tearing off of him, um, the plus would have to be pretty good
12:17because I think after this, it does kind of start dropping off.
12:21I mean, the next one up for me, which is we'll get to in a minute, which is Joe Burrow.
12:27I'm sure, um, is really close to this grouping.
12:30It's just because he doesn't run. It's a little bit less consistent compared to these players.
12:35And that's like what separates them. Uh, which is also part of the reason why like it would take a good amount
12:41for me to start moving off Lamar Jackson to these QBs after him.
12:45Cause it's either like they don't run or they run, but they're not that good of passers.
12:50So it's harder. And like Lamar Jackson has really improved as a passer during his time in the NFL.
12:56Um, so yeah, he's just too darn good, man.
12:59Like, I don't know. I don't know. It might be just vibe based analysis here.
13:03But like, if you've watched Lamar Jackson for the handful of years, he's been in the NFL.
13:09Like dude is electric and just continues to be so.
13:12Yeah. And I, and I get it. Look, I still have him ranked, you know, at number four with you.
13:18So, um, I don't, I don't have him like falling, but I think he's one of these guys where you don't want
13:24to, you, you, you don't want to doubt him cause he's been so good for so long, but he's had some weird stretch.
13:31He's had some stretches where look, I mean, from 2020 to 2022, three years, he was quarterback eight, quarterback seven and quarterback six in points per game.
13:40Then he had a really, really great two years in 2023 and 2024 under a new offensive coaching staff, a new coordinator.
13:46Um, it was not Greg Roman. It was, who was it?
13:50Todd Modkin. Todd Modkin. And now Modkin's gone. Right.
13:52So he was really good under Modkin and that kind of boosted his, and obviously 2024, he was insane.
13:58Um, so I do, you know, when you, when you look at where he's been over the course of his career, he's
14:05kind of sad at that kind of five to six range.
14:08If you really average it out, let's, we're not going to include his, you know, rookie season.
14:13Uh, but if you look at it and kind of average it out, like one, eight, seven, six, three, one, 15.
14:20And obviously 15 was, is kind of like, Holy crap.
14:23Like I think last year kind of opens your eyes for me where it's like, this is what things could look like
14:29if he starts to get a little bit older, get a little bit more banged up.
14:34And he did play, play hurt Wyatt. So I'm not, I'm not insinuating that the skillset just dropped off, but yeah, obviously
14:41wasn't the same guy we saw in 2024 where he was amazing.
14:45I think this year is just a big year for seeing, Hey, what does this look like?
14:50You know, as he gets into his thirties, cause he's 29 now.
14:53Um, so what does it look like? Do we see another year like this or does he bounce back?
14:59And you're like, okay, well, it was just a weird year cause he was injured and you know, there was a lot going on.
15:06But again, new offensive staff, we saw him skyrocket for two years under Mottkin.
15:11And now he's going to have to get another, another coach, you know, coming in now.
15:15So we'll see how it plays out. But, um, I, I do have some, my, my, my, my hairs on the back
15:22of my neck are sticking up a little bit.
15:25My spidey senses are tingling just a little bit with Lamar.
15:28Um, and again, sometimes it's, you want to, you, you, you want to be, you don't want to get left holding the
15:35bag, but at the same time, you don't want to also trade a proven elite player.
15:40And then you're like, well, you know, I tried to tear down and get another pick for next year.
15:46And then now I'm stuck with a, uh, you know, a not top five quarterback and a first that I, I whiffed on the next year.
15:53Right. And then it's like, and Lamar still elite.
15:56So there's risk. I get it, but that's kind of my thought process.
16:00Yeah, for sure. Um, and then we'll talk about Joe burrow, I guess here.
16:04I mean, there's not a ton I wanted to say about burrow, but it seemed like you wanted to talk about him more.
16:11And I, and we both have the Joe at six.
16:14Um, I, I guess for me, I would just say that I have burrow at six behind these guys.
16:20Cause I, if I'm going to knock Jaden Daniels and Lamar Jackson for the possible injury concerns, I have to do the same with burrow.
16:28Um, he hasn't obviously been able to stay healthy.
16:30The difference of burrow is he's got elite weapons and he's not a guy that needs to run to be elite.
16:37So I'm not worried about his play style changing as he gets older.
16:41Um, so that's, that's why I have burrow burrows just as a really, really solid player at really, really good player at six.
16:48And, uh, I think that it's totally fine to have him there.
16:51Yeah. There's not a lot to say here. It's just kind of continuing what I've already said that like, he's in a
16:58tier to himself, in my opinion, after this top five, the, the only thing is like, he doesn't run, but like he's
17:05debatably the best passer in the entire NFL, you know, and he's in a perfect situation.
17:10You know, it's just because he doesn't run. If he has, isn't having the absolute perfect year as a passer and everything
17:16works out right where the defense is terrible and they have to pass all the time.
17:21It's hard for him to keep up with those other top QBs consistently year over year, because of the lack of rushing,
17:28but otherwise like what's not to like, you know, he's just clearly ahead of everything, everybody after him, in my opinion, but
17:35just clearly ahead or behind everyone in front of him.
17:38So he's just kind of on his own there.
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20:30I think you kind of highlighted exactly my thoughts as well with Burrow.
20:34Let's go ahead and move over to our next grouping of quarterbacks here.
20:38This is where it kind of gets a little bit tricky.
20:42You mentioned it, Wyatt, but it starts to see a drop-off here where you start kind of picking your flavors.
20:48Some of these guys, I would say, I guess you could say all of these guys except maybe Bo Nix.
20:54But I guess with Waddle, I could also picture, you know, if things go well, he could have top five upside as well.
21:01But I think all of these quarterbacks have it with maybe an asterisk around Bo Nix because, again, still needs to be seen.
21:08You can kind of say that about Jackson Dart, but the difference is I think Dart runs a little bit more.
21:14And we just saw, I mean, a ceiling that we just want to see more from.
21:19But to start off my side of the rankings, I have Justin Herbert at seven.
21:24I have Patrick Mahomes at eight. I have Trevor Lawrence at number nine.
21:27I have Jackson Dart at 10. I have Jalen Hurts at 11 and Bo Nix at number 12.
21:33You have Jackson Dart aggressively, Wyatt, at seven. We both have Patrick Mahomes at eight.
21:37You have Jalen Hurts at nine. Justin Herbert at 10.
21:41Trevor Lawrence at 11 and Bo Nix with myself at number 12.
21:44Let's talk about Jaden Jackson Dart here, Wyatt. And you're a big fan of Jackson Dart.
21:49Talk to the folks about why Jackson Dart ranked at seven so aggressively here in your rankings.
21:54Number one, I was aggressive on him as a prospect coming into the NFL.
21:58You know, I thought he was much more advanced as a passer than he was given credit for.
22:04A lot of people just kind of put his passing numbers on the Lane Kiffin offense there in college.
22:10And I thought he was doing a lot more than that.
22:13He also like if just if you isolate to just the Lane Kiffin offense, he was vastly superior to all the QBs
22:20that came before him in that offense. And he was a big runner in college that transferred over to the NFL immediately.
22:26In fact, I would say it transferred even better into the NFL than it was in college.
22:32You really utilize his running skills and around the goal line.
22:35And that's exactly what we're looking for in the NFL.
22:38I thought he looked better as a passer than many people expected him to when he got to the NFL.
22:44And in this offense now, we know that Malik Neighbors is probably going to miss a few weeks.
22:49I'm not too worried about that. We know these elite talent.
22:53They've added weapons to the offense. Their weapons are top tier.
22:56But this is kind of what I was saying about Drake May last year is like, yeah, they didn't add like all
23:03these stellar talents, but they just made the offense competent.
23:06They made the weapons competent around their quarterback. And like that's a massive upgrade.
23:10And that's what Jackson Dart got this year. They also improved the offensive line.
23:14And like I mentioned, he has the exact kind of play style we're looking for where he is that running QB.
23:21Yeah, he spent some time in the blue tent, probably more time in the blue tent than we'd really like.
23:27But it seems like he doesn't care about that.
23:30He's going to keep doing his thing, you know, and I'm going to keep betting that he's going to keep doing it.
23:36And I want to be aggressive on him because if we're talking about top five upside, I don't know how Jackson Dart
23:43doesn't have like easily the top five upside compared to some of these QBs after him.
23:48You know, 17.6 points per game as a rookie, but that's with some missed time.
23:52And when you look at some of these starts where, you know, there's multiple games over 20 fancy points.
23:58We've got 29.4, 27.2, 26.3, 23.1, 25.1, 20.4. Like the ceiling is absolutely there for him.
24:03And this is him as a rookie getting used to the NFL, like what happens with another year under his belt.
24:09You know, I'm really excited for what Jackson Dart can do in year two and moving forward.
24:14Yeah, I think when you even look at his points per game output, you know, week 16, he only had one fantasy point, right?
24:22Now it was 13 attempts. So that was like an atrocious game in general.
24:26But it cratered his total output, right, when you just look at points per game, right?
24:31So that in line with all the games, he did miss games or he left early.
24:36In Chicago, I don't think he finished that game.
24:38He missed, you know, he went to play in week 10 and then he didn't play again until week 13.
24:45He left. I think he left in the third quarter or early fourth.
24:48But the point is, like, he's dealt with some injuries.
24:52He's had to go into the medical tent. What I would say about Jackson Dart, I definitely liked him as a prospect as well.
24:59And I don't have him ranked, like, very low either.
25:02I don't have him as aggressively as high as you do.
25:05I have him at 10. You have him at 7.
25:08I'm totally okay with that. I just – the thing with Dart is, you know, he's paired up with Matt Nagy now.
25:15And, look, Matt Nagy was there with Mahomes. So he did help Mahomes when Mahomes was drafted.
25:20So, you know, we got to give him some credit there.
25:23But it is a question mark a little bit on how the offense is going to look this year.
25:29I mean, Brian Dayball, I don't want to take any credit away from him.
25:33You know, Brian Dayball handpicked Jackson Dart. We saw him be very successful with some other quarterbacks.
25:39He got the best out of Daniel Jones. I don't want to give him the Josh Allen, you know, pat on the back either.
25:46Like, I wouldn't give Matt Nagy, right, the pat on the back too much for Patrick Mahomes.
25:51But he was there for the development of those players as well.
25:55He's now gone. And so there is somewhat of a question mark.
25:58And they haven't really done the best job at putting weapons around him.
26:02The weapons are a little kind of sketchy. I mean, Isaiah likely will be there this year.
26:07But we haven't seen much from him yet, Wyatt.
26:10It's really more projection. And then overall, Malik Nabors, I'm not concerned long term.
26:14But then it's really kind of Malachi Field, Starno Mooney, you know, some unproven guys.
26:19And then you have the backfield, right, where you have Cam Scadaboo who could be up and down when it comes to
26:26his health over the course of his career. And so I just – those are some of the question marks and red
26:32flags where it's not a perfect situation, of course.
26:35But none of these situations feel perfect. And that's why, you know, they're not maybe ranked even higher.
26:41But when I look at the, you know, the next set of the rankings or at least where I had Justin Herbert, right, I have Herbert at seven.
26:49And when you look at him, his situation feels phenomenal.
26:52The question mark with him is Mike McDaniels, right?
26:55Like it's probably a one-year stint for Justin Herbert.
26:58I think we can agree with that, Wyatt. It's a good chance Mike McDaniels turned down – we know he turned down
27:04head coaching opportunities this year to go be an OC.
27:07It's a good chance if this offense doesn't implode this year, he's going to find himself a head coaching job.
27:13And it's really just a one-year thing. Maybe they can kind of pluck somebody off of his coaching staff to kind of
27:20be the OC and keep this offense intact or the system intact if it does turn out to be well.
27:26But I have Justin Herbert at seven. I think we know who Justin Herbert is.
27:31It's really always been about the health of him, the health of, you know, really the people around him.
27:36And I think if those things can hold up, I just – it's hard not to – we know who Justin Herbert is.
27:43And to me, Justin Herbert's a top five passer in the NFL.
27:47He's got upside to run with his legs. We saw him run more last year.
27:52I think some of that had to do with just playing hero ball because of the injuries and lack of a run game at times.
27:59But ultimately, I think if the guys around him can stay healthy, I think Herbert's not really an injury-prone guy where I'm worried either.
28:06It's just really more about like his offensive line was beat to crap and he was just taking a pummeling.
28:13And so if the offensive line can stay healthy, Wyatt, I'm excited about Justin Herbert.
28:17And we talked two, three-year windows. You know, there is a little bit unforeseen with the future of the offensive coordinator with Mike McDaniels after this year.
28:25But ultimately, I know what I'm getting from Justin Herbert.
28:28And I know where the ceiling can be if things around him are stable, which I think we could be getting closer to that, hopefully.
28:36Maybe that's wish casting at this point. I do struggle with my ranking of Justin Herbert in general because I think he's supremely talented.
28:43I'm really excited for what he's going to be under Mike McDaniel.
28:47I, like you, worry if Mike McDaniels is going to be there longer than one year because I do think he's probably
28:54going to get a head coaching gig after this.
28:56He's probably going to have his kind of like pick of the litter when it comes to head coach openings next season.
29:03But I'm also a little bit tired of making excuses for Justin Herbert.
29:07Basically, since his second season, he hasn't quite lived up to those expectations.
29:11And we keep on having excuses for it every season.
29:14And a lot of them are pretty valid. But like I'm just kind of tired of making those excuses.
29:20And so like every time I look at my rankings, like I want to move them higher and then I second guess myself.
29:27So I struggle with it. I've got him at 10, but I have no issue with where you rank him.
29:33You know, like I understand the excitement for Justin Herbert.
29:36Beautiful. Yeah. And it seems like we're kind of on the same page, at least with that.
29:41And you'll need to flip us around again. I don't know how.
29:45I don't know how to if you're on the video on the audio side.
29:49Every time I move us around, I can't seem to get it to stay where our names are still under us.
29:55But work in progress. But let's go ahead and look at some of the other guys in this in these rankings.
30:02I do really want to talk about Jalen Hurts.
30:04I have Hurts at 11. You have him at nine.
30:07I think you're still below market even at nine.
30:10I'm probably a little bit more below market with him at 11.
30:14I could assume people probably are confused about this.
30:16And I'll start off because I have him ranked lower, the lowest here at 11.
30:21Let's just take a wide view of the Eagles and Hurts in general.
30:25I think this is really a one year deal almost with Hurts.
30:29And when I say that, Jalen Hurts does not have any guaranteed money left on his contract.
30:34We know and I'm not I'm not knocking the guy.
30:37I was a defender of Jalen Hurts for a while.
30:40But I think we have to be honest with what we've seen.
30:43The situation around him has been very, very good.
30:46If Jalen Hurts were to go to another situation, I don't know that he would thrive in fantasy in another situation unless
30:53it was paired up with a really, really good offensive coach.
30:56When you look at Jalen Hurts over the last four years, Wyatt, rushing yards per game have come down.
31:02Right. 2022, he was averaging 47.53 rushing yards per game on 8.993 attempts a game.
31:07Right. In 2025, he averaged just 24.7 yards per game rushing and 4.94 attempts per game.
31:11Right. And we've seen he finishes a quarterback three in 2022 and he finishes a quarterback eight in 2025.
31:17Right. So we have seen, you know, a little bit of a decline as the rushing upside starts to get a little bit lower.
31:24You factor in the tush push. Right. And I know that's also a hot topic, but they were not efficient with the tush push.
31:32Now, it'll be interesting to see how that works this year because there was some injuries with Cam Juergens.
31:37Right. Who is the center? Obviously, you had Kelsey who transitioned out of being center and that was a big piece of the tush push.
31:45But there are some there were some injuries on the offensive line.
31:49So we'll see if those guys can bounce back.
31:51Lane Johnson is returning, but he missed, I think, seven games last year.
31:55You had some, you know, you had Lane and Dickerson who hurt himself in training camp last year and played a lot of the season hurt.
32:03So there's a lot of question marks if the offensive line can get better.
32:08There's no guaranteed money left on his deal. So that's why I bring up the one year thing where it's like they just brought in another offensive coordinator.
32:16And there if you're Jalen Hurts is if your hurts is agent, why I would think you're demanding almost you get some
32:23more guaranteed money on your contract because you'd be sitting here saying, what kind of commitment is this from the team?
32:29I just won a Super Bowl two years ago.
32:32I have no guaranteed money left on my deal after this year.
32:35What's going on? Like, why do you guys not believe in me?
32:39Because I think that's a clear message unless it blows up in my face and Jalen Hurts gets an extension in the next couple of months.
32:47And that's possible. But right now there's been no rumors about it.
32:51So I think all of those things factor in.
32:53I think if he's not rushing, it's not really top five upside like we saw earlier on in his career.
32:59And I think he wants to kind of go almost the Russell Wilson route where it's like he wants to be a
33:06guy that can play inside the pocket. He wants to keep himself, his body a little bit healthier.
33:12He wants to change his game a little bit.
33:14And we think we've seen that kind of be alluded to his detriment in terms of how good he is as an
33:21NFL quarterback as well as how good he is for fantasy.
33:24So that's why I have him ranked where I do.
33:27You had him at nine, which is still a little bit below consensus as well.
33:32Do you kind of share some of those similar feelings?
33:35Do you think I'm hyperbolic about this right now?
33:38Where do you see Jalen Hurts? Looking at some price points real quick just to get us in line here.
33:44Dynasty Data Lab, Jalen Hurts goes QB9 in their startup ADP.
33:47And key trade cut, Jalen Hurts is QB11 right now.
33:50So it sounds actually like we're more in line with kind of the public combined here as some people are starting to
33:57get a little bit down on him. I'm a little bit down on him, but still high, I guess, compared to the community now in a way.
34:05And it's really just I think he's pretty darn good.
34:08I think he probably gets beat up more than he should, at least when it comes to fantasy.
34:14Like NFL QB, I would say he's middle of the road, you know, just as an NFL QB.
34:19He has played really good in big moments. No doubt about it.
34:23Like his Super Bowl performance was incredible. You can't take that away from him.
34:27But his style just is great for fantasy. And I expect it to be good moving forward.
34:32He's basically always been good. This past year was basically his worst season since becoming the full-time starter, and he was still QB8 in points per game.
34:40I don't think that's really going to get worse right now.
34:44And if there's concern about him leaving the Eagles, which I would say is definitely a possibility, I think he's the level
34:50of QB that he's going to start no matter what.
34:53Like he's not leaving and being a backup anywhere.
34:56That's true. He's going to be starting. And while I think you're right, he does need to go to a place where
35:03the offense is going to cater to him basically to be conducive to what he can do, you know, for him to
35:09continue to have that high-end fantasy success. I think at least his play style lends itself to him keeping somewhat of a fancy floor to his finishes.
35:18And like the high end is determined by the offense he's in.
35:21Yeah, I guess my concern is I don't see that ceiling for him like we saw in the past.
35:27But look, he could also rise to the occasion in this new offense with Sean Mannion, right?
35:32He could also turn out to be really good and bounce back.
35:36I mean, that's the one thing about Jalen Hurts is that he's a gamer.
35:40For whatever reason, when his back has been against the wall, he's been able to kind of rebound.
35:46The one thing I will say, it really feels like it's been two years, though, because even in the year they won
35:52the Super Bowl, people were ragging on him a lot because it was really a lot of Saquon Barkley and a strong defense.
35:59And the past game was still pretty rough. But neither here nor there, we've talked enough about it.
36:05Let's go ahead and move over to the next set of rankings here.
36:09And these are – it's pretty much the same four guys here with me and you.
36:13It's just a little bit of a difference. I have Brock Purdy at 13.
36:18So do you. We both have Dak Prescott at 14.
36:21I have Jordan Love at 15. You have Jordan Love at 16.
36:24I have Jared Goff at 16. You have Jared Goff at 15.
36:28So it's those four guys. The only difference is we have Jared Goff and Jordan Love swapped at 15 and 16.
36:34Let's kind of talk a little bit about just this tier in general, Wyatt, because I do find this tier very funny.
36:41This is the tier of quarterbacks that nobody likes.
36:44Nobody wants. Nobody likes. So true. And they're good for fantasy football.
36:48And I think – kudos to me and you for just kind of acknowledging that and saying, no, these guys are good.
36:54Yeah. Are they spring chickens? Are they 22 years old?
36:57Are they 23? No. But these guys still all have at least two to three more years of quarterback one potential and
37:04fringe getting close to that top eight, maybe touching top five, especially Dak Prescott with the way we've seen him play.
37:10So do you kind of feel like this is kind of where we kind of put our foot down at this point
37:17and say, hey, a lot of these guys that are ranked ahead of them are unproven.
37:22We know what these guys are going to give us year in, year out for as long as they're playing and as long as they're healthy.
37:30Is that kind of where you see it with this tier or is it just flat out that you just don't believe
37:36in a lot of the young guys that are behind them?
37:40Yeah, it's funny. I think you're so right there.
37:42These are the QBs. It seems like they just don't get talked about enough.
37:47You know, like they're just going to give you QB one finishes over the next couple of years more than likely.
37:53And they probably just don't get enough respect for that for fancy.
37:57Like the one looking at this and as you're talking, like I can't help but stare at Jared Goff's prices like amongst
38:03the marketplace and realizing how far ahead we are compared to my place on keep trade cut.
38:09Jared Goff, QB 21 on Dynasty Data Lab startup ADP QB 18.
38:12Like theoretically right now you could be tearing down from Cam Ward, Tyler Shucks, CJ Stroud, Baker Mayfield possibly to get Jared Goff an additional asset.
38:20Like I'm making every one of those trades like in a heartbeat.
38:24Like what's not to like about Jared Goff? I understand he doesn't rush, but that's why he's not a top 12 QB in Dynasty.
38:31But like he gives some of the best passing stats.
38:34You're in and you're out in one of the best offenses in the NFL.
38:38I don't know what's to like not to like.
38:41You're like happily making those sear down trades if they're available to me in my Dynasty leagues.
38:46Well, it's funny too. I mean, if you have been ahead of the market on Jared Goff, even Dak Prescott the last
38:53year or two, you've made out well. So this is not a crazy bet to be making.
38:58Sure. You could sit there and say, well, the wheels could fall off.
39:02But as long as the insulation, that offensive line for the Lions, they did revamp it this year.
39:07They brought in Tate Ratliff. How do I say his name?
39:11They brought in Rutledge. You know, they brought in another guy as well.
39:15I think Miller, right? Was it Blake Miller or Bryce Miller?
39:18Whatever. They brought in. So they've retooled the offensive line.
39:21And yes, Jared Goff is kind of a stature, but he gives you Tom Brady vibes a little bit, in my opinion,
39:28where it's like you can stand up tall in the pocket, deliver a pass while taking a hit.
39:33And, you know, the offensive pieces around him are still very high end.
39:37So I want pieces of that. Similar to that with Dak Prescott.
39:41If Dak Prescott can stay healthy, he's got a terrible defense.
39:44These are also quarterbacks who all play, Wyatt, in good weather, right?
39:48I mean, you have two quarterbacks that play in the Dome, and Jared Goff and Dak Prescott.
39:53You have Brock Purdy, who plays in San Francisco, so the weather is typically pretty good.
39:58And then you have Jordan Love, who's probably the only guy here that's not playing in the best weather, but he's playing
40:05in a division that has a lot of really good offenses.
40:08So he's going to be in dogfights for the most part, you know, at least in eight games, or we'll call it
40:15six, because, you know, who knows with the Vikings, if they bounce back or not.
40:19But he's going to be in competitive games to have to play and throw the football.
40:24So overall, this is an interesting tier. I don't want to spend too much more time on it unless there's something you want to talk about.
40:32We can get to the next tier because it's a bigger tier.
40:36Is there anything else you want to mention about this tier?
40:39No, let's move on. Okay. So let's go ahead and move on here at the next tier.
40:44And this is where we start to get a little bit different from each other.
40:49I have Tyler Shuck at 17. I have Fernando Mendoza at 18.
40:52I have Cam Ward at 19. Tyler Murray at 20.
40:55Baker Mayfield at 21. And Matthew Stafford at 22.
40:58You have Fernando Mendoza at 17. Kyler Murray at 18.
41:01Tyler Shuck at 19. Baker Mayfield at 20. CJ Stroud at 21.
41:05And Cam Ward at 22. First thing that comes to mind here is just CJ Stroud in general.
41:10We are both below market on CJ Stroud. He's not even in my top 22 here.
41:15He is in my top 24, but he's not here at 22 for me, Wyatt.
41:20I want to hear from you first with CJ Stroud.
41:23Why do you have him at 21? I mean, like you mentioned, below market on Stroud.
41:27It's not crazy below market, right? I think he's what?
41:31Somewhere around 18-ish, 17-ish, 18-ish. If you have those rankings ahead in front of you.
41:35But I think he's somewhere around there. So you're a little below market on him too.
41:40Why exactly? Oh, you're muted again. I don't know.
41:43You keep muting yourself somehow. Sorry, sir. First timer here.
41:46Yeah. This is another one where I think the market is starting to catch up with how we've been feeling.
41:52Because now on Key Trade Cut, CJ Stroud, QB19, he's been moving down in Dynasty Day Lab, Startup ADP, QB21.
41:58So people are starting to catch on, I think.
42:01And, you know, I still like CJ Stroud and think he's a talented QB.
42:05But I think he's now at the point he's shown us, like, he's not going to give us any of that running
42:11that we thought was at least maybe, like, a little bit possible from when he was in college.
42:17He kind of showed, like, at the end of his college career that he could do it.
42:22And he is athletic, but he's not really doing it in the NFL at all.
42:27And Houston has just not done a good job of putting an offense around him conducive to high-end fantasy points since his rookie season.
42:34And that could change in the future. But I kind of need to see it change with CJ Stroud at this point
42:41before I'm really going to bet on him to, you know, finish as even a fringe QB1 or anything like that.
42:47And when I don't expect him to even finish as a fringe QB1, he's been in the league for a few years
42:54now, you know, he's going to drop down my rankings.
42:57He's going to be closer to a low-end QB2 in my rankings now when I'm looking at other QBs who still have
43:03a chance to reasonably finish as a top-12 QB, which I don't think Stroud really has at this time.
43:09Yeah, and when you look at even his rookie season where he finished seventh in points per game at 18.7, it was
43:16kind of a down year, if I remember, at the quarterback position for fantasy points in 2023.
43:21I mean, Stroud threw for 23 touchdowns. Now, he did throw for 4,000 yards that year.
43:26But he only had 167 rushing yards, right? It was three touchdowns.
43:30So it wasn't like he had, like, an incredible season as well.
43:33It was just really good for a rookie. But I look at it like this is a guy who plays on an
43:40offense or a team that has a defensive-minded head coach that's going to want to be more conservative.
43:45And I feel very confident about that because we look what happened with CJ Stroud and overexposure for him.
43:51Now, a lot of it was also due to just the offense crumbling around him.
43:56But I think D'Amico Ryans wants to rein him in.
43:59He wants to play really tough football. I think they brought in David Montgomery because they want to run the football.
44:05We saw them run the football a lot last year.
44:08They just were not very good at it. But they were in the top half of the league in rushing attempts.
44:14So they want to run the football. They want to play good defenses.
44:18And I don't think they're going to be in many games where they're in shootouts, where they have to throw the football,
44:25where they've got to push the football downfield. This defense, I don't think he's going to regress anytime soon.
44:31There's a lot of young players, a lot of young pieces.
44:34So that's kind of why. And like you mentioned, the rushing upside with the legs is just not there for Stroud.
44:41That definitely comes into factor two where it's like if you're not going to be in high-scoring games, do you give a
44:47little bit of a bump up because of the legs?
44:50And we're not getting that either with him. Looking at the rest of this tier here, we've talked about Tyler Shuck a lot.
44:57So I'm not going to spend too much time on him.
45:01I have him at 17. You have him at 19.
45:04You have Mendoza at 17. I have him at 18.
45:07We're pretty close there. The one funny thing I will say, Wyatt, is when we were at the draft house, Mendoza was drafted.
45:14I did say I would prefer Dak Prescott over Mendoza.
45:17And I don't remember if you agreed with me or not.
45:20I know Matt did not agree with me, the podfather.
45:23I guess, I don't know, has your thoughts changed on that or were you kind of in alignment?
45:29I don't remember. But were you in alignment with me at least when it happened that Dak Prescott over Mendoza?
45:35Or is that something that you've been kind of working on and that kind of just started to make that move in the last month?
45:42It's always been Dak over Mendoza for me, but I was kind of on the train of like, it's probably a closer
45:49conversation than most people would say it would be.
45:52Because I was higher on Mendoza than most people, I would say, going into the NFL draft and like what his fantasy output could be.
45:59Because I think he could be, you know, of Joe Burrow-like, maybe not quite at his level.
46:04And I would never really project any QB coming into the NFL to be on Joe Burrow's level.
46:10But, you know, like on that archetype level and trending towards it.
46:14Just because I think he could be a really talented passer in the NFL.
46:18And I think he has enough rushing ability that he's not a complete zero there.
46:22The same way that Joe Burrow is not a complete zero.
46:26But he's like, it's not enough that it's like noticeable, you know?
46:29Yeah, and because he's landing with Kubiak, who I think is just a fantastic offensive mind in the NFL.
46:35So I'm excited for Mendoza for sure. But it's definitely Dak over him.
46:39I mean, this is one where we're actually behind the market on Mendoza.
46:43I'm surprised by that. Like with the sentiment that was surrounding Mendoza going into the NFL draft and way people were saying,
46:50like drafting the wide receivers over him in rookie drafts and everything.
46:53Right now in Dynasty.Lab, start at ADP. He's QB 15.
46:56Keep trade cut. He's QB 14. He's over Dak Prescott on keep trade cut.
47:01Like, isn't that funny? Like the way that people were talking about him before the NFL draft.
47:06And now when it's time for them to make their rankings, all of a sudden he's jumping up the rankings.
47:12It's because fantasy players are all – Dynasty players are very similar.
47:15Everybody wants to have the youngest, prettiest looking roster that they can project to have them win games, championships for 10 years.
47:22And that's why that tier is funny because it's a lot of older quarterbacks that people – or not older quarterbacks, but maybe not as mobile.
47:30But, you know, they've been in the league a little bit and there's some bias around them where they don't like them too much.
47:37Like Brock Purdy, late pick, don't bet on him, whatever.
47:40And it's like these guys consistently produce for us in fantasy.
47:44And again, Dak Prescott, what is that worth to you?
47:47The guy can give you a top five finish.
47:49There's no doubt in my mind about that. Right?
47:52But I can't say that about Fernando Mendoza yet.
47:55I haven't seen it and I don't know. And the weapons around him certainly don't show that it's going to happen at least this year.
48:03Right? So, to me, it's like I'm going to take the guy ahead that I think can give me in a two-
48:09to three-year window, especially if I'm a contender, you know, give me a top five finish.
48:14So, I don't think that's out of the question.
48:17Check this out. Based on, you know, what we're looking at in the marketplace right now, I mean, isn't it conceivable that
48:23you could trade away Fernando Mendoza for Jared Goff in like a first?
48:27And like aren't we just hoping that Mendoza becomes Goff?
48:30Yeah, we're praying. If he becomes Goff, I'd be very happy.
48:34I'd be very happy. I don't know that you can get that trade done, but like just based on the marketplace that
48:40we're looking at, it's at least possible, you know, or maybe two seconds on top of Goff to move off of Mendoza,
48:47which I think is kind of crazy. Yeah, so do I.
48:50But we're going to take one more break and then we will come right back.
48:55We'll get close to wrapping things up. Ooh, trade just came out on my phone.
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50:37Protect yourself now at aura.com slash remove. So, Wyatt, I will say when we talk about ageism, I do have Matt Stafford at 22.
50:44I was tempted to have him ahead of Kyler Murray and Baker Mayfield, at least Baker, because I sat there and said,
50:51what is a quarterback, top five quarterback finish, even if it's just one year and a guy retires?
50:56What is that worth to you? What is that worth?
51:00And I sit there and say, Baker Mayfield, I love Baker, always been a fan of Baker, but we've seen some regression
51:06from him, and a lot of it's due to injuries, right?
51:10He's style of play. He plays very hard. He definitely doesn't avoid contact.
51:14And Baker Mayfield, kind of, we've seen him regress a little bit, and he's getting a little bit up there in age, too.
51:20So, it's like, or if you have Baker Mayfield, like, is it worth it in Superflex to have a guy that's, like,
51:2713, 14 for the next two, three years, or a guy that's one year, but he's quarterback five?
51:33Like, what's better to you, right? And so, that's – I got very close, and I didn't do it, but I was
51:39very, very close to having Stafford ahead of Baker.
51:42You have Stafford, I think you might have him at 24, or you have him outside of your top 24.
51:4824, yeah. Okay, you have him at 24 right here.
51:51Okay. So, you have him at 24 with Malik Willis at 23.
51:55Yeah. So, with every dynasty position, and this is something we've talked about in every show since we've been doing this, going
52:01through our rankings at every position, at a certain point in our rankings, you get to the one-year bets of that position,
52:08where you can expect fantasy points from him for this year, but after that, you don't know.
52:13You don't know what's going to happen. And that's why I have Malik Willis and Matthew Stafford here.
52:19They're both players, in my opinion, where we can count on fantasy points this year, but after that, I'm not sure.
52:25A lot could happen. Malik Willis might not have a job, a starting job, in 2027.
52:30Matthew Stafford might retire in 2027. His back might be destroyed by 2027.
52:34But I feel pretty good about them producing in 2026.
52:37And what's that worth? Well, I just wasn't quite able to get either of them into the top 22 of the rankings,
52:44any of the players that we've talked about so far.
52:47I couldn't quite get him over any of those.
52:49There's still excitement for Cam Ward, you know, what he could be.
52:53Like, I'm still willing to see if he improves.
52:56You know, I couldn't quite get him there. CJ Stroud, while I worry about what his fantasy output's going to be like,
53:03he's a player who I'm confident he's going to be a starting QB for a very long time in the NFL, as
53:09long as I'm going to project out. And there's at least reason to believe he can get back to being at least a fringe, you know, QB one.
53:18So, like, as we go up, like, I can start making that case over and over again.
53:23So I couldn't quite get them above any of those other QBs, but they're absolutely in my top 24.
53:29You know, like I said, one of your bets at QB.
53:32Yeah, and I think the important thing to remind people is that this is not where we think their value is, right?
53:39I mean, of course, Matthew Stafford. I have Matthew Stafford ahead of CJ Stroud.
53:43I have Stroud at 23, and I have Malik Willis at 24, and I have Stafford at 22.
53:48But the way I look at it as is, to me, the way I play, getting a top five finish, even if
53:55it's just one year, ranks you higher just because I don't know with Stroud, we already talked about it.
54:01Like, yes, I'm with you, Wyatt. I think he's going to get an extension this offseason.
54:06I think he will be in Houston for the next three to four years at least as a starting quarterback.
54:12I do feel confident in that. Again, it's just a matter of what is it worth it?
54:17Is fringe quarterback one worth it? There's a lot of other quarterbacks you can take gambles on that'll be those mid-quarterback twos, fringe quarterback ones.
54:24And the points per game difference between that and, like, quarterback 20 is usually not that far off when you start getting to that mid-quarterback two area.
54:33So that was kind of what went in my thought process.
54:36But I would not use these rankings as, like, hey, this is where I should value them if I'm selling them.
54:42It should be used as, hey, I agree with Wyatt on this player.
54:46I agree with Pete on this player. Let me tear down from this guy because I know where the market has this guy.
54:53And you can go to Keep Shred Cut or Dynast Data Lab.
54:57You look at where the market has a guy ranked and you say, okay, well, the market has him here, but I'm
55:04kind of with Pete and Wyatt on him here.
55:06So let me see if I can work a tear down in this scenario.
55:11So that's how you should be using these rankings in this show.
55:14That's pretty much it for me. I mean, Malik Willis, we can talk about him, but I think we're kind of the
55:21same boat where, like you said, really a one-year gamble.
55:24We'll see what happens. And I'm not banking on it, but Malik Willis, the truth is he's also kind of got quarterback
55:31one potential, even if it's just for one year as well.
55:34Yeah, he does. You know, he's probably going to run a ton.
55:38We'll see how efficient he can be as a passer in Miami without real pass catchers, you know.
55:43But he has a very good chance to finish as a QB1 this year.
55:47We just have no idea if that lasts. Hey, I want to thank you for being part of this broadcast.
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