0:00When I show you guys line up, you know, when we talk about the history of long illustrious history and the choice
0:10are so bad that you really struggle to figure what was going on there. We will get to that. So, we're actually
0:18kind of an interesting day in because there was sort of only one premium player kind of of the whole slate. Um, you know, if you if you look
0:29at flex projections, I can't remember how many slates we've had flex projections where the only players projected above 20 points were Bijan
0:38Robinson, Puka Nacua, Ken Walker, Jonathan Taylor, Drake London. They were all 8K players except for Drake London.
0:46I think you can certainly argue and I probably would argue Drake London was a little bit over projected. So, that kind
0:54of meant that the slate then came down to the cheapies and there were again, weirdly, actually Sammy a lot of cheap
1:00guys who projected all right. You know, it was not it was not a slate where it was like, "Oh, well, you got to play
1:06this guy." which which was reflected in the ownerships, you know, instead of there were there were a lot of dupe teams, but there were also a
1:16bunch of guys who were 40% owned instead of 60% owned. This is actually something we've been talking about a lot on the
1:21show. I dude, by the way, you were you were you were not on the show last week.
1:28Um, Jamir Gibbs only only 66% owned in double-ups last week.
1:35WAS THAT >> OH MY GOD.
1:37>> WAS THAT ONE OF THE MOST INSANE things of all time?
1:39>> Yeah, you know, it sucks because I smashed last week and I wasn't on the show. Um, but I heard you guys got to
1:45dunk on Levitan a bunch, so that that's pretty great.
1:48>> Yes. Yeah. It was pretty great. We all duped each other last week. Nate and I duped each other this week, which is
1:57you haven't even looked.
1:59>> Yeah, we played we played the exact same team. So, uh this week at quarterback, there actually were multiple guys who you
2:05could play. I thought the best play was Matthew Stafford. Jokes on me, the Rams, by the way, 33 and 1/2 point team total,
2:15lose to the freaking Arizona Cardinals in the dome. Completely completely insane.
2:22>> I'm so glad that they lost, dude, because they played like such hot And then they like scored a touchdown at the end. It's
2:30like, "Oh, they're they're going to get away with it." And they didn't get away with it, you know? Jacoby Brissett had a
2:35little magic there at the end, and they, you know, had a penalty, and it's just like they deserve to lose. I'm glad they
2:40lost.
2:41>> I I'm also glad they lost.
2:44>> I I'm also glad they lost. Sean McVay had a complete shocker. Just like going for it on fourth and one, but handing it
2:52off to Davis Allen as a fullback was one of the most absurd decisions I've ever seen.
2:57>> They'll never see it coming.
2:59>> Yeah, completely completely insane. So, I thought you definitely could have played I mean, in my mind, these were the quarterback plays. Matthew Stafford,
3:08Caleb Williams, and then I also thought that if you wanted to try and jam multiple high-priced guys, I I did not personally
3:18end up setting this lineup. I thought you could have done Tanner McKee. He's got, you know, the two career starts for
3:25255 career passing yards per game in the two starts. He's got DeVonta Smith. Goddard was was a big was a big play.
3:35Sammy, you didn't play any of those guys at the quarterback position. You you you you didn't play you didn't play Matthew
3:40Stafford, you didn't play Caleb Williams, and you also did not play Tanner McKee. Do you want to do you want to tell the people what you did indeed
3:47do at quarterback?
3:49>> Well, to be fair to myself, before I give the big reveal, because this is egregious, uh I tried to get to Tanner McKee.
4:01I tried last-minute swapping.
4:04Uh go to McKee and then get up at tight end to Isaiah Likely, which would have been great. Um and it didn't work because it was right
4:13at 10:00 a.m. and my 4-year-old was hanging on me and like you know, no excuses. Play like a champion, as Levitan would say. Uh but I tried to go
4:23to Tanner McKee. Um I played Deshaun the the uh sexual abuser.
4:31No, you may not.
4:32>> So so good. Guy played Guy played Guy played Deshaun Watson at quarterback. Uh didn't play Jameis Winston. Marker Marker Tasso guessing
4:42Jameis Winston. Didn't play I mean, I thought maybe you could have tried to get real fancy and play Josh Allen, Kirk
4:49Cousins. I just I don't I don't know. I don't know how I got there. It truly is one of the most phenomenal things. So I
4:57toyed with a lineup that was instead of Matthew Stafford that had Caleb Williams to try and use the extra money to get
5:06from Breylon Allen to Chuba Hubbard. I thought that Chuba Hubbard was like more or less the best running back play of
5:13the slate. Like I I kind of wanted to play backwards in cash from Chuba Hubbard. And spoiler alert, did not end
5:21up doing it. You guys will see my lineup here in in a second. Chuba I mean, it took a long time from that game, but it
5:28kind of played out how I thought it was going to play out, which is the Eagles absolutely sucked. They're not going to
5:32be able to do anything. And even if the Eagles defense is good, Hubbard is going to get the ball a bazillion a bazillion
5:38times. He did indeed get the ball a bazillion times, but uh I couldn't really really what I couldn't stomach, Sammy, was
5:47not playing Matt Stafford. I was like, "Dude, they have a 33 point How could they fail? How He's got Puka back, dude.
5:53How could he fail? How could he fail?"
5:55>> I I wanted to play Stafford, too. I had him and I'll be honest with you.
6:00You got in my head this morning. You got in my head with this you must play Chuba Hubbard. He's the best player on this
6:06slate cuz I had Braelon Allen and Stafford and I'm like, "Shit, dude. I'm going to do it. I He's right. Chuba is
6:13so good."
6:14>> And I was >> He was very good. He was very good.
6:17>> Ultimately, I was I was correct. The thing that I was not correct about and I guess I mean, I mean, we're 5 weeks into the season
6:25now and the Rams have played in all these games. Like, it's got It's got to start leaking into fantasy projections and leaking into the
6:34way lines makers are setting these lines that the Rams are just not that good.
6:38>> They're They're just They're just >> The Rams are just straight-up not that good.
6:42>> Oh, god. I mean, I'll just I'll just say this. And when we get to the tournament lineups, like, it'll it'll, you know, be
6:47pretty clear, but I was just like, "This is a can't-fail spot for the Rams.
6:53A can't-fail." They are playing in a great environment against a really crappy defense. They have been inconsistent this year and they are
7:01going to put it down. This is where they say, "Okay, it all stops here. We are going to get after it." I played Kyren
7:08in cash. I played Kyren everywhere. I was like, "Kyren's going to I Kyren is the guy that I wasn't moving off of."
7:14>> See, I >> And Kyren is He's kind of the funny one of like, we have experienced this thing with Kyren for so long and we the last 2
7:23weeks have made him something that he isn't because the target volume has been so good. Like, I didn't play Kyren in
7:29any tournaments because I know I know exactly what Kyren is. You know, Kyren is is so so unlikely um to put up like a
7:37a 37-ball, you know, I basically to me, Chuba and Kyren should sort of be projected because Chuba gets the ball so
7:44much. Um, really, really close.
7:47>> Yeah, I mean, Kyren shares the work, but obviously they trust him the most in passing situations cuz cuz he's got
7:54pretty good hands and he's a really good pass protector. So, he's going to mog uh Corum in all those spots. And then, of
7:59course, Corum catches the touchdown reception right off the bat and it's just like >> [snorts] >> Uh-oh, I may have made a big mistake
8:07here.
8:08>> having Corum having a Britney. Corum having a receiving touchdown. How many in in your 10,000 sims of this slate in
8:16your in your sim of this slate? How many of them does Blake Corum have a 19-yard touchdown reception? Cuz I checked my
8:21sims and it was in zero of 10,000 uh for for Blake Corum to score a receiving touchdown.
8:27>> Yeah, not the ones I used to build my cash games and tournament lineups, and that's for sure. I mean, this that Corum
8:33thing, that whole game, I I don't think I've ever been more tilted watching a game in my entire life. I >> By the way, I thought Stafford was done.
8:41>> in football. Matthew Stafford is done. I mean, I I This is a spot where literally Jacoby Brissett is on the other side and I'm
8:48like, this is it. This is everything that would happen in the game. I'm like, we're just setting up for a massive Puka
8:53smash. This is it. This is going to be the drive. This is going to be the drive. And a somewhere along the way
8:59I was like, this is the definition of insanity right here. Like, what I'm doing to myself for these last 3 hours.
9:05Yeah, I mean, that was painful.
9:08>> It it was it was extremely painful. So, ultimately, uh Nate, you and I both played Matt Stafford at quarterback. Did
9:15Nate, did you consider Tanner McKee? Did you consider Caleb Williams? Did you consider Kirk Cousins? Did you like, I I frankly, I actually
9:25and you'll we'll see this when we get to my tournament lineups. Like, I liked Caleb straight up more than Stafford. I
9:30That to me it was kind of like a a blocking play, I I suppose, in in a sense. Like, Caleb is so Caleb is so
9:37good, man. He's so good. It's crazy. And and his stats are being artificially deflated by Ben Johnson's proclivity to call run
9:48plays like to just get DeAndre Swift 2-yard touchdowns or whatever.
9:52>> It's not just Ben Johnson's proclivity.
9:54They're literally the best running offense in the game. Every time they they run the ball, it's one of the most effective play like I So, I it tilts me,
10:01but it's also real and you have to factor that in. And in this game with Atlanta's like also run heavy like
10:09I don't think Caleb was in play in cash over McKee or Stafford or Johnson.
10:15>> Okay, he definitely was in play. You're That's crazy. He was in play.
10:19>> No, I don't think he was. You don't know he's going to run. You don't know how healthy the hamstring is. He himself
10:24said he was not 100%. You already have overall like play volume concerns and Ben Johnson has shown how much he's willing to run the ball. Like
10:33I I don't think in cash games that's where you take Caleb. Like there was other plays that we Yeah, I don't think Caleb was a good cash game
10:40play this week. I just don't.
10:41>> All right. Well, let's let's let's talk about the lineup that you and I did play. So, Nate and I duped each other.
10:47We played Matthew Stafford, Kyren Williams, Braelon Allen, Puka Nacua, Drake London, Jeremey Bernard, Isaiah Likely, Xavier Worthy, and the Carolina Panthers defense. Do you want to know
10:58the play that I feel the worst about in here? It's definitely not the play.
11:01Nate's going to be like No, dude, he's a good play with my with Michael Burton there there.
11:06Drake London for $500 more than Malik Nabers, bro. I think sometimes you just got to take yourself out back or you got
11:13to look yourself in the mirror and you got to say, are you a man or are you a boy? And if you're a boy, you're going
11:19to look at the projections. You're going to be like, "Yeah, but the projections say that Drake London has a 30% target
11:24share." And I think a real man would have said, "You know what? Malik Nabers was a first-round draft pick in fantasy
11:30football.
11:31He is historically great for any any time he's ever played, his numbers are preposterous. He has Jameis Winston as quarterback, which is actually so god
11:42damn funny that JJ McCarthy came in and threw for like 250 yards in a quarter.
11:46Like so funny that JJ McCarthy came in.
11:49And it's not even necessarily about Neighbors, it's just like Drake London, man.
11:54It's like enough already for me personally with Drake London. I just I I what I guess ultimately what I feel bad
12:00about is I should not have made Drake London such a sticking point that I played Braylon in a spot where this was
12:07his floor. I'm not saying and I'm not saying Braylon is some terrible play. I think it was fine. It's just Hubbard was
12:12so so much better of a play. So much better.
12:16>> Well, and we're talking Well, and hold on. We're talking a lot about how the Bears just like run so well and it was a
12:23great spot for them. Did we underestimate De'Andre Swift because of that? Now, he ended up sharing the ball with Roschon.
12:32>> He was so hard to get to because he was he was 400 more expensive. So, that like I guess maybe if you would have done a
12:38Tanner McKee lineup, you could have done it. But like if you look at the basis of And Nate Nize's lineup is like stone
12:44stone chalk. Like this was the this was the big train.
12:47If you start thinking, okay, how do you get a thousand extra dollars? You're going down from London to like probably if you are a projection guy, it was
12:55probably Drake London or uh sorry, Josh Downs would have projected the best.
12:59>> Allen. It was Keenan Allen.
13:00>> [laughter] >> It was Keenan.
13:02>> Keenan was the if you were not going to play London, you'd play you'd play Keenan.
13:06>> But then but then where are you what are you even doing with that money? Are you I guess are you getting to Josh at
13:10quarterback? Cuz Keenan was what? 5200?
13:13>> Yeah, the other play was >> back one.
13:16Is what you're doing.
13:17>> Well, except Kyren I like I'm not terrible game. Um but like he was anyone good in cash games played
13:28played Kyren Williams. He was he was in the big $50 double up which is now the biggest double up that like only serious
13:35players play on DraftKings. He was 63% on Nate, when the cards turned over and Jeremy was 54% I was like there is actually still an
13:46edge. People people are actually still bad. Like it's just as we were we were we were talking about um the Jahmyr Gibbs stuff last week with
13:54him being 66% I'm like dude, Jeremy is like the definition of if you did not play him, you have no [ __ ] mojo,
14:02dude. You are I'll say it right here, dude. Sammy, you got to you got to take a look in the mirror. And this is your
14:08team. This is your team.
14:11>> you have two spots that you need to seriously consider like what what what am I thinking? Isaiah Likely is as good
14:18Isaiah Likely legitimately was like one of the easiest plays of the year at tight end. I think Jeremy Bernard obviously is right up there, but tight
14:26end specifically, I mean I literally Isaiah Likely I mean he he had only had 99 yards. I mean he was a yard away from the bonus.
14:35He was like he had multiple plays that should have been could have been worse.
14:39Like if you're lucky he didn't put up a 30-burger on you. I He was a 70% owned tight end in cash. What were you
14:46thinking?
14:47>> I tried. I tried to go McKeon and Likely instead of Goedert.
14:52Instead of Goedert and and [ __ ] Deshaun Watson and you know, just just just life happens. Uh >> He well, he did the same thing I did. So
15:01I'll I'll actually come clean. I mean this was the the right [ __ ] choice was I I had a swap right at lock right
15:08at noon that I tried to save that did not save which was Chuba and Goedert over Braylon and Worthy which would have
15:15been the higher points because Chuba beat Braylon by a lot and Worthy and Goedert I think Worthy and Goddard literally both got
15:24got 14.
15:25>> Yeah, I literally literally made literally made I pressed the button at 9:59 PST and looked and it said cannot be saved and I look at the clock and
15:34it's 10.
15:37Like that's that that's how that's how close it was to the swap.
15:43So I I tried to play I tried to play lightly.
15:45I tried to do it.
15:47>> That's fair. Davis, if you would have swapped literally Britain Allen and Xavier Worthy two like legitimately talented people who now have workload
15:54opportunities >> Xavier Worthy legitimately talented.
15:57Sure would be [ __ ] nice if it would have showed it at some point in my life in any of the most recent three years.
16:03Would have been would have been okay.
16:04>> He doesn't have Skyy Moore Rice out there stealing all these targets and Xavier Worthy was going to be fed the
16:09ball. He's one of the fastest wide receivers that >> Yeah, but he look this is actually a mistake because Xavier Worthy sucks.
16:18>> Yeah, he's not.
16:19>> He is I will say I will say this. He was He was playing >> Dallas Goddard over Xavier Worthy is
16:25giving up like 15 points of ceiling for like $300. That's crazy.
16:29>> Dallas Goddard going over the last 20 games Dallas Goddard for sure bet my last dollar is is better than Xavier
16:38Worthy in any ceiling efficiency targets per hour in any metric you want to run.
16:42>> Xavier Worthy with Patrick Mahomes as his quarterback with no Rashee Rice and legitimately >> averages 7.5 fantasy points per game.
16:50>> versus Dallas Goddard with Tanner McKee.
16:52You guys are like >> Not you guys. I didn't do that, Nate. I didn't do that. Okay?
16:58I didn't do that. I played Xavier Worthy and Dallas Goddard.
17:02>> and Dallas Goddard.
17:03>> [laughter] >> Well, you know what? To be to be fair, to be fair, another thing that a lot of people did. Let me see if I can find it
17:11in the big $50 double up. Another thing people did was instead of playing either of those guys, one of these lineups in here, one of these train
17:20lineups has Casey Concepcion in it. And you know, I got no uh no beef with I you know, I think I think Casey Concepcion
17:29is a is a fine player or whatever.
17:32But there was just really no scenario where I was playing Casey Concepcion over Worthy. Like I I thought Worthy was really I I mean obviously I thought he
17:43was very strong. I thought he was like lock adjacent. I actually played Worthy in tournaments that like really elevated um ownership. I can't find Concepcion. One
17:51of these one of these lineups had Concepcion. You know another guy that I did actually consider in cash games was Burden in the in the London spot. I
17:59considered I considered Burden.
18:01And which again, people like >> The Concepcion team is it was uh Chuba, Goedert, London, Likely, Concepcion, Kyren, Stafford,
18:12Panthers, and Puka.
18:13So it was basically >> I don't like that.
18:18>> Yeah, I I mean I think Concepcion versus Worthy is just giving up way too much ceiling.
18:24>> Concepcion versus Worthy I think is quite bad, yeah. It's just like even if Concepcion is better than Worthy, which like whatever, I'm I'm actually happy to
18:31grant that, the the offensive environments could not be any different.
18:36And and the Chargers are so bad, dude.
18:39>> The Chargers are so bad.
18:40>> Like >> Well >> It's crazy.
18:42>> The the decision that I had to make was Concepcion versus uh Jeremy Bernard.
18:48I chose unwisely.
18:50>> Yeah. Yeah.
18:52>> I put Is it I I I mean we we we we can go to my lineup.
18:57>> we're going to dude, we need to we need to get in the you know, like Sammy, we got to get in the lab with you, dude.
19:02I'm looking at a Deshaun Watson Casey Concepcion stack and I'm just saying, we got to get you back to square one, man.
19:08We got to we got to >> I'm I I I can't even argue with it. This is This is the worst I've I've been played good
19:15at all this year. Like and this >> You haven't and I I I'm I'm prepared to say outside of a lineup that I would have
19:24swapped to this has got to be the worst lineup that's ever been played compared to like what was optimal.
19:32It's got It's got to be I mean there's there's there's been some times. I think there was a slate that Nate paid like
19:38$4,200 for a defense and they scored one point that I think might be might be close. Um but it's pretty it's pretty it's pretty
19:47not ideal.
19:48>> God, I'd love to We need to hire somebody or get Claude or ChatGPT to like get old clips like ETR does and just I mean the mashup that
19:58we could put together is just >> I I actually could I actually could I I actually could do that.
20:04>> You could start your own YouTube channel. People would watch this and just like [ __ ] love it, man.
20:10>> Yeah. I mean, so obviously the train lineup easily cashes. Um it it was kind of frustrating in the sense that Breylon
20:18I mean Breylon looked phenomenal, but the the Jets suck and I mean you know that's deal. You knew they were going to
20:22lose. The Drake London thing is just like I am just so not a Drake London guy that just I'm I've don't have very much
20:29of him in seasonal. I don't think he's really that good. I mean obviously he's very good, but he just is so slow. So I
20:35can really I think it's something people don't talk about enough, but it's really hard to be an elite elite elite fantasy option when
20:44you're slow.
20:45Like Davante Adams can do it cuz he scores a billion touchdowns. But like I actually think Bucky Irving is a pretty
20:51good example of this. Like if Bucky was a 4 4 guy instead of like a 4 6 and 1/2 4 7 guy
20:59Bucky would be like the best running back in the NFL. He would be Gibbs Bijan like level of of um skill.
21:06He really would. Sammy, you also played I mean I I I mean I I didn't really think Bijan was that good of a play uh because not
21:17not because of anything really about him, but the the Falcons play slow and the Bears also are happy to like suffocate the air out of games and that
21:27can go south quickly for any of those guys.
21:31>> we said Caleb wasn't a It's why we said Caleb wasn't a cash quarterback to then on the flip side take Bijan.
21:38>> Yeah.
21:39>> I don't know.
21:39>> Okay, let's let's let's do this.
21:42Let's rank the mistakes that I made and >> Not Not playing Not playing Likely >> Likely. Likely's number one. Okay, okay,
21:51hang on. Hang on. I I actually don't want to take the L on that one simply because I really did try
21:57to go Mckee.
21:58>> That's You know what? That's fair.
22:00That's fair.
22:01>> I really did Dude, it People don't want to hear this or maybe they do cuz they can relate, but my [ __ ] 4-year-old is
22:07like hanging on my shoulders as I'm like cuz my wife's gone. She's running like one of these like Spartan races and so I
22:14have the kids. I got two little kids.
22:15Dude, one's hanging on my shoulders and I'm trying to be a good dad, but also I'm trying to like make this swap and I
22:21do it and it just didn't click in time.
22:23I knew Likely was the play and I and I and I knew that that was like the way to go. So I tried to do it. Let's talk
22:29about the ones that like I just, you know, wasn't directionally correct on.
22:35Number one mistake uh and I want you guys to rank these is playing Concepcion over Bernard straight up.
22:44The second one >> It's like inexcusable.
22:48>> It Yeah, not not great.
22:52The second one is >> are a Steelers You are a Steelers fan, dude.
22:57>> It actually It actually cost me because I hate the Steelers so much and I hate Aaron Rodgers so much. I'm pissed off at
23:03the organization because they haven't done a full rebuild and they're just like playing boomer ball like, "Oh, we have this opportunity. We get rid of
23:09Mike Tomlin. Okay, let's do what the Ravens did and like bring in new blood and like change everything up." No, we're going to hire Mike McCarthy and
23:17bring Aaron Rodgers back and play boomer ball and finish 7 and 8 or 8 and 7 and just like mid it up for
23:25again for the next 5 years. Like it's so stupid. I'm pissed off at the team. Um >> The Jeremy Bernard thing, I don't think
23:31I'm going to hit on you that much because I do think the Jeremy Bernard thing like there was a lot of efficiency
23:36that went his way. The amount of like I mean, he had like 21 air yards and he put up like 28 DraftKings points. I
23:44mean, it's like that is not >> Yeah, but that feeds right into what Rodgers >> going to say that that's that's exactly
23:49what I knew I was signing up for.
23:51>> Yeah, that's what Aaron Rodgers wants.
23:53He just wants to like spam these like little two, three yard hitches and screens and flat routes. He just wants to audible to
24:01stick nod and and and slant flat all day. Like he's he's such a boomer. So he ends up with pathetic targets or
24:10something like that? Like that that's what we signed up for.
24:13>> Yeah, it was 11 targets. It was only a 22% targets per route run. His whopper was like below 0.5. Like I mean, it it
24:22was essentially conception usage cuz of like where he gets targeted and stuff like that. So I don't think it was that
24:27bad.
24:28>> Okay.
24:29>> Here Here's >> Here's the other one. Here's the other one is I played Bijan Robinson. I thought that, you know,
24:36I know it wasn't the chalky build, but I said, "You know what? I think some of these high-priced running backs uh particularly Bijan and Ken Walker can
24:45really destroy the slate in a spot where other people are playing a Jamook in the flex, you know, and a Xavier Worthy or a
24:53Dallas Goedert or something like that.
24:55And these guys can outscore that position by like 25 points easy.
24:59And so I kind of liked Ken Walker a little bit better, but the the projections I was looking at had Bijan
25:06two and a half points higher and I said, "You know what? I'm not going to go against that. I'm going to stick."
25:11If I play Ken Walker instead of Bijan mega smash. So those were two of the like one V ones that that I thought
25:20really cost me.
25:22And then and then obviously >> Bijan thing is crazy. The Bijan usage legitimately is is like potentially record setting for like
25:30finishing a game healthy and at that salary having that little expected DraftKings production from a running back is like I mean, I don't think I've ever seen it
25:39this bad.
25:39>> And he never does this. Like he he never disappears.
25:42>> expected DraftKings points and he was healthy the whole game.
25:45>> He never disappears. I mean, if they're up, he's running. If they're down, he's catching the ball. I mean, it's just
25:51like he he is their offensive weapon and so you know, obviously it was a run bad here, but >> It's actually wild too because they even
25:59got the flurry of a bunch of points in the fourth quarter and Bijan and London both did nothing in a game they almost
26:07forced overtime.
26:08>> a two-pointer, but yeah.
26:09>> They almost forced overtime.
26:12You know, and and Jahan Dotson and and Kyle Pitts are out here um balling.
26:18>> Yeah, Kyle Kyle Pitts season. So those are those those were the two mistakes where I was just like, "Ah, you know."
26:25Again, I'll take the L on the likely one, um but I tried. I really did. Um yeah.
26:31>> Yeah.
26:32>> When my kids When my kids When my kids are going to junior college cuz I can't afford a UC school, I'll tell them it's
26:37cuz you wouldn't leave daddy alone at lineup block, you know. Your fault. Your fault. Yeah, take accountability.
26:44>> Yeah. Yeah, uh I mean, I don't think there's really that much else interesting about cash. Like you kind of had to play Kyren. This will probably be
26:50the last time Kyren ever gets played in cash like ever like ever again truly.
26:55Like he cuz now now that we're building in like Blake Corum playing on something like the two-minute drill and stuff like his receiving
27:02projection's going to degrade and and Terrance Ferguson will be back next week so his receiving projection's going to degrade even more. So shout out to him.
27:10Um all right, let's go to tournaments.
27:14>> to talk about De'Andre Swift stuff at all? Like do you think De'Andre Swift is now in that like Kyren Williams range
27:20cuz I mean it is now like I mean every time he's healthy his expected production is as high as anybody's.
27:27>> Um I do think he's fine The issue that I found with Swift is he doesn't he is not projected well enough to be in cash
27:37outside of last week he did actually.
27:40And I never want to play him in tournaments because I prefer like this week I was like well Loveland's going to be 8%
27:47owned. I'm I'm not even Actually Nate I did a Nate I did a Nate team.
27:51Somewhere in here. There you go. I played in this was actually going into the going into the late games or going into the fourth quarter of the
27:59Rams game this team was in fifth place of the $12. Caleb Williams, Ken Walker, Chuba Hubbard, Josh Downs, Luther Burden, Jeremy Loveland, Swift, and the
28:08Browns D. It was the it was the full it was the full Nate onslaught.
28:13>> Dude, I'm proud of you.
28:14>> Yeah. I had a I I have a team I want to talk about because well first off I it should have been a
28:22huge shipper and it wasn't and it actually simmed quite bad post lock but field field aware ROI so
28:34when it knows the the actual ownerships and the the combo ownerships independent field ROI minus 24%. This was positive ROI
28:45pre-slate field aware ROI 17% sim ROI overall, like expect to lose $10 on average. It It was a huge smash in
28:56the big spy. Caleb Williams, Bijan Robinson, Chuba Hubbard, Puka Nacua, Luther Burden III, Jeremy Loveland, Xavier Worthy, and the Titans defense.
29:06So, on this team, if I just straight up play Walker over Bijan, which clearly I mean, I I would have just happily have
29:14done. Um the only reason I play Bijan on this team is because uh the the correlation, like if the The Bears are going to get pushed if
29:24Caleb is going to have a really good game, it's the other team. Eventually, the Bears are going to get pushed in the
29:30game, and Caleb is going to have like 500 passing yards and five touchdowns in a game. I don't know I don't know when
29:35it's happening, um but all of those points that Roschon Johnson is just like the fourth quarter Roschon Johnson points. I'm like, will you give me 25%
29:44of that to my guys? Can I have Can I have 25% of Roschon Johnson's [ __ ] Uh but if I play Walker over Bijan on
29:53this team, I finished like fifth in this spy. Uh straight up. Winner of this spy, by the way, Kirk Cousins' team with Trey
30:00Tucker in the flex, no likely, which I think is interesting.
30:04Uh bad bad The only thing I feel bad about I mean, I played really good today. All my teams cat like it was a
30:10really really good day for me, but something I did not do was I did not play any Malik Nabers um because I was too focused on the likely
30:18stuff. But I I was always going to have a good day cuz Walker smashed.
30:22Loveland had a good game. Burden had a good game. Jeremy had a good game.
30:25Worthy had a good game. So, it was it was just uh it was just one of those.
30:29But I I did also think it was it was kind of interesting that um my team did not sim that well post-lock
30:37cuz it it simmed okay pre-lock. Um I guess combo ownership probably of Jeremy and Worthy was insane and also probably combo ownership of
30:48Bijan and Puka was much higher than you would have thought because the textures of those lineups are going to require the same sort of salary saving players
30:56right so a lot of Bijan and Puka lineups are also going to have like well frankly probably Titans D I wonder if you I wonder if I filtered by
31:06Titans defense how many of them also have Puka and Bijan like probably all of them right >> That Titans D is so good bro oh my god
31:1521 from a 3% basically min priced defense >> And I think what you had to do to get Puka and Bijan was
31:26Bernard Berrian were like you have all of the on the flip side your chalk your chalk value plays are all high too
31:35>> Correct yes yeah literally literally all of them are all like which is like not to say like you can't do that like it's
31:42fine to play multiple high owned guys but like also you know another one that's kind of funny is I bet the
31:48I bet the combinatorial ownership of Berrian and Loveland was also quite high because the type of person who is still willing to play Colson Loveland in a
31:59$100 fantasy football tournament in week six after what his season has been is also for sure playing Berrian is also the type of person who's like yeah
32:07dude why wouldn't I play Berrian Berrian's good you know like it's it's just it's one of those things that is really funny
32:14all right let's see Nate N in the spy N in the spy you played oh this is going to be a
32:26classic Nate team Caleb Williams Ramondre Brevlin Allen Puka Nacua Drake London Berrian likely I knew I I freaking knew it was going to be
32:33Loveland in the flex I I it and then the Panthers' defense field aware ROI quite low.
32:41Sim ROI so pre-lock ROI was 5% positive.
32:47Talk to me Talk to me about this Ramondre play, Nathaniel.
32:51>> Well, I had a lot of Ramondre after the Travion news. I I thought that everyone was going to get off Ramondre
33:00where I thought Ramondre >> you were I think you were right about right. He was not owned.
33:03>> Well, he actually still almost came in in double digits in a lot of places.
33:08So, he didn't get the ownership dip that I was hoping for and he also did get the workload dip that I wasn't hoping for.
33:18So, like I thought the Travion thing was like no chance he's going to get workload and he did like a lot. So, it was not one of
33:26those like we're just making him active to to play him a couple snaps. It was like I mean, Travion had more workload this
33:35week than any week yet this year. And so Yeah, that was tilting. So, I felt bad about the Ramondre thing and then I felt bad about the Drake
33:43London ownership thing and overall I did not play well in tournaments today at all. And so >> You know You know what is You know
33:51what's funny about that, Nate? Cuz I knew like I had a bunch of good teams today and I was thinking in the back of
33:56my head I was like I bet Nate has a bunch of dog [ __ ] out there. I don't think I don't think there's ever I don't
34:01think there's ever been a week where we've overlapped on similarly good teams. Like your like weeks where you're like oh I had this sweat and this sweat
34:08and this sweat. I'm like I finished dead last in the spy, dude. I finished 4,444th in the spy, you know, in a in a really
34:16good in a really good uh Nate week. Um Sammy, what what tournament do you want me to look at? Oh, one second.
34:23>> a joke, but I think I might have finished last in the spy. I'm not quite sure.
34:27>> All right, Mr. Whirling Dervish in the spy. Oh my god. Oh my god.
34:35All right, Matt Stafford, Kyren Williams, Braelon Allen, Drake London, Davante Adams, Luther Burden, Tyler Higbee, Travis Kelce in the flex with
34:42the Ravens defense. Actually, post lock.
34:45No.
34:46>> That's a good team.
34:47>> The Sims love your team. The Sims love your The Sims >> Then [ __ ] [ __ ] the Sims. This team is
34:52hot [laughter] ass. Like >> have your team is better than both of ours.
34:57>> No, dude, Sammy. This is a good team.
34:58Honestly, the Stafford thing like I obviously like it's easy to tilt Stafford. Like I'm I'm as tilted as anybody, but like Vegas
35:09I mean, you if you genuinely think Stafford is dust, you should be betting everything you have against against these Rams because the lines are not
35:17moving against them there the the rest of the season win game I mean everybody still projects the Rams as the Rams. And so I mean look, we we can say
35:27>> Stafford's dust and obviously he's not playing to his standards as well as he did last year, but his last like three
35:34games he's throwing for 383, 317, 390, and 327. Like yeah, he's not playing that well. You're watching the games.
35:44You're like, yeah, he's not doing it, but like dude, he's still putting up numbers. You know what I mean?
35:48Um I don't >> The The Rams The Rams are still favored by six points in Vegas next week.
35:57>> Mhm.
35:58>> [snorts] >> Might might be time to put some uh some some rock bottom bets down.
36:04>> I actually think there are a couple interesting things going on in this lineup. The first is Braelon instead of Chuba. I I don't
36:12approve. Whatever, that's fine.
36:15>> Well, see, it's also a $600 difference, man. Like >> to get Nate's Well, the Browns were expensive.
36:21Or the Ravens defense, were they were 3,200?
36:26>> Yeah.
36:27>> Yeah.
36:28>> Yeah, but but what it what it did what it did is >> This is honestly the best thing I've seen from Sammy yet.
36:34>> [laughter] >> I've seen seriously Sammy, this is honestly the best thing I've seen you put out this year.
36:39>> You know, you the only reason you're saying that is cuz I have a tight end in the flex and I
36:45have like four Rams in the [ __ ] lineup. So you're like, oh this is you know, this is amazing. Um,
36:51but one of the one of the big inflection points I really wanted Travis Kelce in all the teams. I thought Kelce with
36:59Rashee Rice out was like >> And and Worthy and Worthy Chark.
37:03>> And Worthy Chark. And I said, you know what? Like it it's it's so it's so likely that they just say, yeah, [ __ ]
37:10Worthy cuz he sucks and they're just going to feed Travis Kelce a whole lot.
37:13It didn't end up working out like that, but I'll stand by that thought process.
37:18I obviously wanted uh, you know, a full Rams onslaught here. I did not bring it back with anything. Um, and then I had the Drake
37:26London and Luther Burden mini correlation uh, little zone uh, in the dome uh, correlation.
37:35>> kind of surprised you're a Burden guy. I would like when I think of when I think of you, I would think you I I would
37:40think you'd be more of a of a Rome guy.
37:42>> Sammy's a Rome guy.
37:43>> Sammy's a Rome guy.
37:44>> I'm not a Rome guy. I'm I'm I'm a guy of the guy who the coach says, oh yeah, like compares him to Amon-Ra St. Brown.
37:52>> No, Sammy, you're a you're a stacking Rome and Cole Kmet guy. That's you.
37:56>> Yeah.
37:57>> Fading this Loveland thing saying, ah, like I yeah.
38:01>> I'm I'm not going to stand for this slander from you guys. All right, I got I got murked today. It is what it is, but
38:08where I'm going to draw the line is you saying I like Roma Odunze, this [ __ ] ass prospect who's got
38:15who like can't [ __ ] run.
38:17>> [laughter] >> I mean, he's dust. It's just like if he were on a bad team, he'd be Marvin Harrison Jr. Or, you know,
38:25Brian Thomas Jr. Like, uh Roman Wilson Jr. is a clown and Luther Burden is twitchy and fast and real good. Uh I like
38:34>> So, I I do think I think there's another thing about this lineup that is something I've actually tried to stop
38:40doing in in when I build lineups, which is when the top wide receiver on a team is stone stone chalk playing the second
38:48wide receiver for less money. So, like the Jameson Williams when St. Brown is is mega chalk or um you know, Jordan Addison is lever Not
38:58that Not that Davante Adams is the same, but I just like I haven't done one of these, like Worthy when Rice is chalk or whatever. You
39:06know, like I I like I have not done that in in a long time.
39:10>> Yeah. Yeah, I get it. I get it.
39:12>> But but today I today I think it's different. I I like I actually think the play the the Adams play is different
39:18because not only is he still scoring fantasy points and getting like decent whopper, but he also does so in a way that mega
39:27Puka's ceiling because he takes the touchdowns away. Like Puka can do his little PPR scamming, but the the Davante Adams three-yard touchdowns are
39:36so bad for Puka's ceiling.
39:38>> Yeah, and you know, I just wanted access to the Rams in a way that was not going to be chalky. Like, this isn't a super
39:46unchalky lineup. So, if I was going to do that, I wanted to get a Rams onslaught in a way that like wasn't
39:53going to be highly owned. And I thought most people if they played Stafford, they were going to play Puka Nacua with
39:58them. So, you know, I thought I got access to a lot of Rams in a you know, in a in a non-chalky way.
40:04Mission accomplished. Unfortunately, the Rams eat anus and so it didn't matter who I played from them cuz >> All right. So, I lied. I lied. I did
40:14have a really good day, but I will show uh a dog [ __ ] lineup. Um I got to change the the user
40:21here.
40:22So, let me let me I'll show I'll show some real real dog [ __ ] I played in the red zone.
40:28>> Yeah, baby.
40:30>> [laughter] >> So, in the red zone I played Hold on. I got to do the user search again.
40:36I played Tanner McKee not even not even low owned Ken Walker, De'Andre Swift, Puka Nacua, but here's where it all goes downhill, buddy. I
40:46played Joshua freaking Downs at 5,800.
40:50It's enough already, man. I learned my lesson. I learned my lesson on Downs.
40:54>> Is Josh Downs a different player than Jeremy Bernard? Many are asking, you know.
40:59>> Jeremy's way better. Jeremy's way >> [laughter] >> way way way way better. I I'm I'm I'm done like Whatever points I get from Josh Downs in
41:08Best Ball for the rest of the year, like I'll I'll happily take them, but like I'm going to stop trying to make it
41:13happen with new money. Like the like I'm not throwing good money after bad on Josh Downs anymore.
41:19>> The the thing is Downs is like, you know, he's 5 for 47, he's 6 for 52, but there's no ceiling on this man. Like
41:26>> There's there's no ceiling and and every time they do try and throw deep to him, like something bad happens. And and like
41:32obviously Daniel Jones is having this like awful year, too. Like Daniel Jones is playing off And you're not even getting like
41:38it's not like huge because there are so many idiots like me who also play salary cap DFS on DraftKings. It's not like
41:45you're ever getting him at 2%. It's always like it's always like 9%, you know? So, it's not even he's super super
41:51unique or anything. And then I played Goddard on this team for the stack and then I played Kyren in the flex, which
41:56actually looking at this this is probably bad because you want to do the non-Stafford lineup.
42:03Um and you're hoping that Like realistically, what would have been better on this would have actually to play like a law day instead of Puka and
42:13like James Cook instead of Kyren or something. Like I'm I'm hoping that Stafford like if Stafford gets 31 points and this is my team even if Tanner McKee
42:22has a good game, I probably I probably lose.
42:25Right? Or or if Puka and Kyren both have really good games, I probably lose to the Stafford teams like a huge chunk of the time.
42:34Um I assume this MRR line is pretty bad.
42:38Uh 9% similar ROI before lock but then once it knows the field combos and the correlations, yeah, down down to 10%.
42:46Nate, do you have anything interesting in the spy red zone in any of these red zones to talk about?
42:52>> Um you already pulled up the 400k spy, right?
42:55>> Yes, yeah.
42:56>> Uh pull up the 2.75 milli maker. I had a >> It's not it's not cash yet. The only one so
43:04the guys that run the sims, I just told them to cash these tournaments or so like we gather the field for these four
43:11like immediately.
43:13>> Got it.
43:13>> This the rest of these are will be live Sunday Sunday night. I can I can put it in this though.
43:20>> Okay, yeah, pull up the so the in the 555 milli maker, I did a Jones team.
43:27>> How much What's the field size on that?
43:30>> 4,879 >> A Daniel? A Daniel Jones?
43:34>> Daniel Jones, yeah.
43:35So I did Daniel Jones, Bijan, Ramondre >> Bijan Hey, I'm going to have to scroll pretty
43:44far to get to Ramondre.
43:49What else?
43:50>> Uh Drake London, Downs, Keenan Allen Isaiah Likely >> honestly honestly Nate, I just want to say right now, I don't hate this as much
44:00as Sammy does.
44:01>> [laughter] >> Isaiah Likely Braelon Allen, Panthers D Jones, Downs and Keenan Allen is objectively hilarious, man.
44:11>> Dude, not just Jones, Downs, and Keenan Allen. I then said, "You know what would make this lineup sexier? Rhamondre.
44:17Let's put $555 behind that."
44:19>> [laughter] >> I mean, I honestly like I I I played bad. Like I I don't like anything I put out there today.
44:30>> What What were you Were you just out on Hubbard? Am I Was I Was I out on a >> I Dude, if I tell you what I felt about
44:38Hubbard, like you're going to roast me.
44:41>> He's physically nude.
44:43>> I genuinely thought Etienne was like going to get Jonathan Brooks-level usage.
44:49And I thought like Hubbard's usage was going to like crumble.
44:53>> Nate, bro, come on, man.
44:57>> [laughter] >> I was like I was like waiting for it.
45:00And I was like, "Trevor >> Trevor Etienne Trevor Etienne's doing the Barstool meme. He's like, Etienne's like, "I didn't even know I
45:08was going to play."
45:10>> I didn't know I was active, yeah.
45:12>> [snorts] >> Like Hubbard the the I I feel like Hubbard is such a neat guy cuz he's not very efficient, but he gets the ball so much.
45:23Like I felt like the whole first half of that game was just like every Every time I would check, it would be It would be second
45:34and one, then third and one, then fourth and one. And all of the All of it would go to Hubbard. Wow, this is so funny,
45:39Nate. Literally 0.97% sim ROI, 0.88 top Well, that's actually not horrible top 1%, but very low a very low cash rate
45:50in in this sim. So, like a 28% cash rate is pretty low.
45:54>> Well, good news is the ownership came in much better than that. Downs only came in at 5%.
45:59Jones came in at 3%. Um Uh likely was uh like I mean he was pretty high.
46:08>> What about what about Mondre?
46:10>> Mondre was 12. Mondre was like he didn't drop. I That's I feel bad about Ramondre. Like I had a lot of Ramondre.
46:17>> I I I get what Nate's saying. Like when we thought Travion was going to be out uh Ramondre was a great play. And then
46:23they're like, "Oh, Travion's in." And it's like, "Okay, he's 6 days off of a high ankle sprain. Uh he's probably not
46:29going to get a ton of work." Um little little did Nate know about Keiner.
46:35>> Yeah, they like Keiner. And I mean honestly I the the Chuba 30 or 28 carries like yeah.
46:43The fact that I played anybody near that it's tilting.
46:47I played bad. The Chuba thing was just a a miss.
46:51>> Well, you know, not everyone can be Davis Maddock. Not everyone can be the best ever do it. Great day. You know,
46:57sometimes sometimes that's the way she goes.
47:00They won't they hate >> The people hate this iteration of the show where Davis is >> is the worst. Just end the show. No one
47:06likes it.
47:06>> I was going to say it was it was like a great day. Like I I smashed like a couple huge pick'ems and stuff, too.
47:11Like it was a good day. It was a good Got to Got Dude, but maybe This is This will show you how much of a laundry bro
47:18I am. Truly like the best part of my day was watching the Chargers just not being able to do [ __ ] all. Just like the most
47:26hapless loser organization.
47:30Just like >> [laughter] >> every play every play is just like the worst thing that could happen. You've got You've got uh a bunch of shares. And
47:40then you know what? I also want to give a shoutout to my goat, uh my guy Josh Dombrowski, long-time fan, uh long-time
47:47long-time friend, hangs out in the Discord, was in the uh was in the NFFC league uh with us last year, and uh took
47:54first place in the main BR today. Tyler Shuck, Ken Walker, James Cook, Malik Nabers, Devonta Smith, and Isaiah Likely. So,
48:03the Nabers Likely, but no Jamison. Shuck on the other side, not duped, which very difficult to do with mostly players who
48:11are 100% drafted. Got a little bit of scroll action there with Shuck and Devonta, but just a great team from my
48:18goat, Josh. Good good player, good guy, and always always happy to see to see that. So, respect my goat, Josh.
48:28I have I'll I'll end with this. If you guys are watching Packers, Cowboys, I was at a wedding last night. My friend had a
48:3617-leg college football parlay, and instead of doing the responsible thing and taking any money out, he put all of it on Brevyn Spann-Ford for an anytime
48:44touchdown. All of it, the whole thing, whole stack on Brevyn Spann-Ford to score a touchdown against the Green Bay Packers. So, as you are watching this
48:53game tonight, think about my friend who uh didn't tell his wife what he was doing until it was over and then said, "Hey,
49:00do you want to go to do you want to go to Cancun or do you want to go to Jamaica?
49:05Because Brevyn Spann-Ford scores a touchdown, we're going." So, think about that. All right, boys, I will be back with you guys tomorrow. Take it easy.