0:00What's up, Fantasy Points? I am so happy to be back once again doing Outside The Box for you, where we're going
0:07to be going through looking at the chalk of each position briefly and then finding some plays that are outside the box for DFS GPPs on DraftKings.
0:15A little bit of a new look to the show this year.
0:19Scott Barrett has stepped away, which I know some of you are going to be sad.
0:24I was pretty sad to see Scott go, but also I know Scott Barrett would not have stepped away from this show
0:31if he was not confident that we had a fully capable, brilliant replacement.
0:35We've got Ryan Heath here replacing Scott. Super excited to be doing a show with Ryan.
0:40We've done a few shows together, but Ryan and I have never done consistent shows together.
0:45So very happy to be doing this one with you, Ryan.
0:48Ryan, how is the beginning of the season going for you?
0:52It's going great, Neil. I just want to say to everybody first that I'm honored to be here.
0:57Outside The Box is my favorite DFS show in the industry.
1:01It has been for the last couple of years listening to you and Scott.
1:05So yeah, to be asked to be able to do this with you, to chop it up with one of the best
1:12DFS players that I know is just going to be so much fun.
1:16I'm so excited. I really, yeah, just looking forward to talking through all the contrarian angles, hopefully getting some of your expertise
1:23in terms of how to transfer all of this data, all these stats that I always have into how do we actually build winning DFS lineup.
1:31So I'm really excited about this show and I can't wait to get into it.
1:36And I can't wait to get into the season.
1:39And I'm super excited about when you and I win a million dollars together.
1:43Scott is just going to be so jealous and I can't wait for that more than anything.
1:48It's just us shipping something and making Scott super jealous.
1:51Yeah, no, I'm really excited to be here with Ryan back on the fantasy point channel, but we're going to be starting
1:58with quarterbacks and it's going to be the usual format.
2:01If you don't remember from last year, we're going to start with quarterbacks, then running backs and receivers, tight ends.
2:08We usually skip defenses and then we'll build a couple lineups on draft Kings at the end of the show.
2:14So again, we're just going to start by taking a look at the, the chalk.
2:19And I'm just going to ask Ryan, this is usually kind of a quick portion of the show.
2:24Do you have any particular interest or like yuck for any of these top three quarterbacks?
2:29Justin Herbert projected for 11% ownership, Jared Goff at 10% and Tyler Shuck at 8%.
2:34Any interest or anybody that you're just full fading from that trio?
2:38The most interest I have from those three is probably going to be Justin Herbert.
2:42He's a guy I was really big on just in my seasonal content, but the big thing for him is he gets
2:49both of his tackles back, Joe Walt and Rashawn Slater.
2:52Last year, Rashawn Slater missed the entire season. Joe Walt only played five games and Herbert went over 25 draft Kings points
2:59in every single one of them that he had.
3:02He had his starting left tackle. So to me, this is even with the ownership, I'm just kind of fine eating it
3:09with Herbert because I think the upside is really good.
3:12This Cardinals defense is still nothing to be afraid of.
3:15They were bottom seven by EPA per play allowed.
3:18Basically every defensive stat last year, they retained the same defensive coordinator.
3:22I just don't see why we would expect different results.
3:25So yeah, out of all the chalky guys, Herbert is where I have the most interest.
3:30Goff is fair enough. Jared Goff at home in a potential shootout environment is never like a bad play.
3:36I just think there are some other guys that maybe we'll get to that I think have similar upside at very likely less ownership.
3:43I worry a little bit about this game in terms of a lot of Jared Goff's kind of massive scores over the
3:50past few years have been in these games where the Lions just get up and then they never take their foot off the gas offensively.
3:58They just say, okay, we're going to blow this team out and not stop.
4:02The Saints last year allowed the fewest DraftKings fantasy points per game to opposing quarterbacks in the second half of games because
4:09teams would take their foot off the gas. And with Drew Petsing in town now as the play caller, it's not Dan
4:16Campbell like it was for the second half of last season.
4:19I do wonder if the approach is a little bit different.
4:23Petsing when he's had healthy running backs has been a little bit more on the conservative end, on the run heavier end.
4:30And you can't really ask for a better running back than Jameer Gibbs to salt the game away with.
4:36So yeah, that's kind of where I get a little bit iffy on Goff.
4:40And yeah, Shuck is whatever, but anything else you want to say on those, I'll throw it back to you.
4:46Yeah, I think I kind of see it the same way as you like Tyler Shuck to me is just like, why is Tyler Shuck chalk?
4:54Like I get that he's maybe a little bit cheaper than people think he should be.
4:59And that's a fun game environment. Nice matchup with Detroit, not like a great defense this year.
5:05But yeah, Tyler Shuck just doesn't make any sense to me as the chalk.
5:09Justin Herbert though. Yeah, I think he's a great play.
5:12And I mean, 11% where we're talking about chalk, but like it's 11%.
5:16He's not, he's not a 25% owned player. You can still get plenty different throughout the rest of your lineup.
5:23And especially because with Justin Herbert, I feel like there's a lot of different ways that you can stack him up, which
5:29helps a lot when you are playing a chalky quarterback.
5:33I mean, if you just play Justin Herbert with Ladd McConkie, maybe that lineup is going to be kind of chalky.
5:39But if you play Justin Herbert with, you know, Charlie Kolar, QJ, we'll talk about some of these other Trey Harris as a super contrarian option.
5:47Some of these other options that you could potentially stack up Justin Herbert with, you can get contrarian pretty quickly with the stack.
5:54And again, just 11% doesn't scare me golf. Yeah, I think I'm kind of neutral on 10%.
6:00I, it's not like a big, big fade for me with golf being at 10%, but also just not a priority relative
6:07to some of the other quarterbacks on the slate.
6:09Do love that we have, you know, again, several great stacking options with golf.
6:14I'm really into Gibbs. They were really into JMO.
6:17I mean, we'll talk about some of these players when we get to their positions.
6:21Yeah, golf seems fine to me at 10%. And then shock is just the one that I just don't really see a reason to get to shock.
6:30I don't think he has that ceiling that we need, especially because I think Jerry golf is it's now scoring.
6:36He's only $400 more expensive. So I'd rather just get, get away from the shock shock.
6:41And I should note, I mean, we're looking at the projections page right here, Justin Herbert, 3.44 fantasy points per dollar.
6:47That is better than any of the other quarterbacks on the screen right now.
6:52And these are of course industry leading projections last year.
6:55The fantasy points projections absolutely crushed last year. So I think we can use them to guide us to some extent.
7:02And, and you can see that Justin Herbert has a strong fantasy point per dollar number.
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7:43Um, should we move on to some of the more contrarian quarterback options?
7:47Yeah, let's do it. Is there anyone you want to call out here or should I give you one?
7:53I know Scott Barrett would make you, uh, just try to guess at who he liked and who he did in, in the most obnoxious way possible.
8:02It's always a fun game. Yeah. We can play the game then go ahead, throw, throw some names out at me.
8:08Um, all right, let me, let me pull up the projections on my screen.
8:13Just a little bit easier for me to, uh, to work it that way.
8:17Um, so yeah, outside of, let's see players that you would like, you know, I suspect that you're going to like, uh, Baker Mayfield.
8:25Do you have any interest in Baker Mayfield against, uh, Cincinnati knocking and just 5% ownership going to Baker?
8:31He's somebody that kind of intrigues me, but I'm curious if you feel the same way about Baker.
8:36I can understand it. Uh, of course he played a lot of the season last year injured.
8:41Uh, if, if you go pull up like his injury log in the fantasy points data suite 2.0, it's hilarious.
8:48He just had, uh, shoulder oblique, uh, just a ton of different ailments throughout the entire season.
8:53Uh, and it, it is true. This is a really strong on paper matchup against the Bengals in a high total game.
9:00Uh, and Baker from the start of 2024 through week six, when he had his oblique injury, uh, was averaged fewer fantasy
9:07points per game than Josh Allen and no other quarterback.
9:10So second in fantasy points per game over that span, I can see it at 5%.
9:15There's some interest here. Uh, Jalen McMillan is listed as doubtful.
9:18So it becomes an even more condensed passing attack, uh, between a Mecca Ibuka and Chris Godwin.
9:24Very, very sad that McMillan's likely not going to play by the way.
9:28He was, uh, one of my biggest galaxy brain plays.
9:31I know you're a Jalen McMillan fan. I was so excited to talk about Jalen McMillan on this show today, but we really can't now.
9:39Uh, but yeah, I, I think Baker doubles have some juice to me.
9:43Probably not my favorite, uh, kind of contrarian play below like 10% ownership, but I can get there.
9:48You know, I said it and I immediately thought that was a bad guess.
9:53Ryan's not going to love Baker Mayfield. Cause you look at the fan's points per dollar, not that great of fans points per dollar.
10:00And I think it's a situation where we think of Cincinnati's defense as being worse than it actually is.
10:06Like it's, this is the best Cincinnati defense that we've seen in years.
10:10So, uh, that's not really the way we want to get contrarian is, you know, leaning into a matchup.
10:16That's actually worse than people think it is. I think that I'm leaning into it because I like Chris Godwin so much.
10:23I think, uh, with the Mika Agbuka potentially seeing some shadow coverage, it makes me have more interest in Mika Agbuka.
10:29Uh, sorry. In Chris Godwin as a result of, of that.
10:33Um, but yeah, that, that was not my, I think the better guess would be if I pull up the fantasy points
10:40projections, sort by, uh, fantasy points per dollar at the top, there is Kyler Murray at 5,500.
10:45I guess he is getting 7% ownership. So, you know, just, just a touch below, um, Tyler Shuck, but to me, just so much better than Tyler Shuck.
10:54I kind of like both quarterbacks in that game, Kyler Murray, and then Jordan love, especially with some of the recent coach
11:01speak from the floor about how they're going to be more condensed with their wide receiver tree.
11:06Uh, do you, do you have any interest? Is there a quarterback from this game or do you like both the quarterbacks from the Minnesota green Bay game?
11:15Uh, first of all, just like agree with you in terms of Kyler being a more intriguing play than Shuck.
11:21To me, a lot of the reason that Shuck was scoring well at the end of last season, and probably the reason
11:28he projects decently well around the industry, uh, is that he was getting a lot of, uh, rushing attempts, like near the goal line, right?
11:36Because the Saints just didn't have any running backs at the end of last season.
11:40Uh, that's not the case anymore. They signed Travis Achan.
11:43I don't know that Shuck projects that well from a rushing standpoint anymore.
11:48Uh, Kyler Murray does. And yeah, it certainly is a point per dollar value.
11:52Uh, you can make the argument for look every single quarterback other than JJ McCarthy that Kevin O'Connell has ever gotten his
11:59hands on has been more than viable at a salary like this.
12:03Guys like Carson Wentz, Josh Dobbs, Nick Mullins, all of those names average between 18 to 20 DraftKings fantasy points.
12:09Uh, to me, that is maybe not like the highest upside way to play this game though, because yeah, you did kind of guess it, Neil.
12:17Jordan Love is made like the galaxy brain quarterback that I've been the most enamored with.
12:22Uh, and that I'm interested to hear your thoughts on, but to lay out my sort of case, the Packers have always
12:29been an incredibly efficient offense on a per drop back basis.
12:32Uh, they are top three in EPA per drop back in the Jordan Love era.
12:37Matt LaFleur is a great play designer, a great play caller, but he is just so conservative.
12:42Anytime that he has been able to just hand the ball off to Josh Jacobs, he has done it.
12:48He's been like, man, I have never seen a better first and 10 to get three yards with Josh Jacobs on that.
12:55That has been his modus operandi, the, his entire career, right?
12:58With Jacobs not playing, uh, with the team sounding not that convinced by Marshawn Lloyd as a bell cow.
13:04Uh, I can see a world where the Packers lean into the passing game and anytime they've done that, uh, even against
13:11this Brian Flores led Vikings defense, the results have been really good.
13:15Uh, in games with 25 or more drop backs against Brian Flores.
13:19So that's only taking out like one game that the Packers totally controlled last year.
13:23Jordan Love averages 23 DraftKings fantasy points per game.
13:26He has scores of 34 and 28 DK points within that sample.
13:30I think Love is kind of a guy no one's talking about, but he's a really fun contrarian QB play to me.
13:37Uh, the stack of course would be Jaden Reed plus Christian Watson.
13:41I think you do want to double it to really lean into the game environment.
13:45If you are going the Jordan Love direction, uh, I'm very into the schematic matchup for Jaden Reed.
13:51He's been incredible against the Blitz. Uh, has like 170% increase in his yards per out run over the last 10 games.
13:58Uh, and of course, Brian Flores, uh, one of the Blitz heaviest defensive coordinators in the NFL.
14:03So I can really see it for the Packers here.
14:06Jordan Love, Christian Watson, Jaden Reed. It's nice because that's a relatively cheaper stack relative to some of the other ones people
14:13are going to play on a slate where the like kind of top end plays are priced down relative to where they'll be later in the year.
14:21All these high end bell cow running backs, uh, Jamar chase, Almanra St.
14:26Brown, all the cheapest that they're probably going to be all year.
14:29So you get to take advantage of that a little bit more around a Packer stack.
14:34So yeah, I don't know. Tell, tell me I'm crazy.
14:37Tell me I'm wrong. But I, I think Jordan Love is yeah.
14:41Low key, a pretty great play this week. I I'm a Vikings fan.
14:45And sadly, I won't tell you that you're crazy or that you're wrong.
14:49By the way, I know you do a lot of shows with Jacob Sanderson that, that sort of felt like, uh, you
14:56know, quiet shot at Jacob Sanderson to not even mention Matthew golden.
15:00I know he's really high on Matthew golden. And you're just like, of course it's Christian Watson and Jaden Reed as the stack with Jordan love.
15:08Uh, that's funny. Cause I, that's the one, you know, question for me is how do I want to stack up Jordan love?
15:15And I think you make a lot of good points.
15:18I do think that he is a great play.
15:21And I like for, for DFS purposes, more so than season long.
15:25I kind of like that. Like when, when he's scoring his points, it's through the air because then you can just cover
15:32more ground by getting that double stack. Like if Jordan love is the quarterback that you need, it's probably going to bring along multiple.
15:39Pass catchers with him. I love the idea, like you said, of stacking up with Christian Watson and Jaden Reed.
15:45And like you said, like they might just lean into the past more now that they don't have Josh Jacobs.
15:52But then on top of that, no, no more Romeo Dobbs, no more Dontavian wicks.
15:56Oh, Melton was just released. If you had any concern about Bo Melton.
16:00Uh, so, and just like the floor quotes are just, we want to have those three guys on the field as much as possible.
16:08We're also dealing with Tucker craft is probably going to be limited to start the year.
16:13That that's kind of, uh, the way the team has made it sound is that he's going to be kind of on
16:20a pitch count to start the year. So probably the, the best, um, the best stacks are going to be with those wide receivers.
16:27I'm not going to ask you about your, your decision point on the wide receivers yet.
16:32I'm going to save that for the wide receiver section.
16:35Why we're, why we're excluding, uh, Matthew golden from the stack.
16:39Well, yeah, no, I love the call with Jordan love at 3% ownership on an offense.
16:44And so it is a tough matchup. The Vikings defense, I do expect to be very good this year, but I think
16:51the Packers offense also could surprise, um, any other, if I just open it up to you.
16:56So we've talked about a number of quarterbacks already.
16:59Um, but if you just look at the ownership, are there, are there any other lower own quarterbacks that you have particular interest in today?
17:07Uh, there are a few, uh, I think probably the most important one to just mention, and maybe this doesn't end up
17:14being lower own, but with what we're showing right now, I think 7% for Joe Burrow is just ridiculous.
17:19Frankly, what, what are we doing guys? Uh, I, I, I guess part of it is the enduring narrative that the Bengals always start slow in week one.
17:28This is like what people consistently have said to me anytime I've been talking up Joe Burrow this week.
17:34Uh, but that's like a fake stat to me.
17:37Uh, I tweeted this out earlier in the week, but yes, over the past three seasons, Joe Burrow, Jamar Chase have not performed well in week one.
17:45Um, two of those three games were against the Miles Garrett led Browns, which the Bengals have always sucked against kind of
17:52regardless of whether they play them in week one or week 10 or week 18.
17:57That just is like a Miles Garrett having Joe Burrow's number thing to me.
18:01Uh, but if you zoom out, look literally one year before that, uh, Burrow and Chase went off in week one of 2022.
18:08Uh, had a pretty good score in week one of 2021.
18:12I don't think the week one Bengals thing is real at all.
18:16And if we're getting an ownership discount on it, I want to take advantage.
18:20It's a perfect schematic matchup for Burrow because he leads the NFL in fantasy points per drop back against the blitz last year.
18:27Twice as efficient at scoring fantasy points relative to when he's not blitzed.
18:31Uh, Todd Bowles has just always been a very blitz heavy defensive coordinator for the Buccaneers.
18:36He literally never learns the one time that he has played Burrow in the last five seasons.
18:42He blitzed him like 40% of the time Burrow dropped 26 draft Kings points on him for the trouble.
18:48Uh, I, yeah, I just kind of, I, I guess the reason is that there are other like higher priced plays at
18:54running back and wide receiver that people want to get to.
18:58But I think that's a mistake if Burrow is actually only going to be 7% because he, to me, is just straight
19:05up better than all of the quarterbacks that we have ahead of him in projected ownership.
19:10I do think that we need to keep our eye on ownership as we get closer to lock because I'm with you.
19:17Like, yeah, if, if Joe Burrow comes in at 7%, just, you want to load up on Joe Burrow, total pass funnel defense, awesome offense.
19:24I, I kind of don't believe it. Like just because we have Jamar Chase is chalky.
19:29T Higgins is chalky. Like if people are playing the receivers, you have to imagine Joe Burrow is going to get in there as well.
19:37Maybe because he is, he's kind of expensive and people want to play.
19:41I mean, Jamar Chase is expensive, but then also like Jameer Gibbs is expensive.
19:46Bijan Robinson, like people are going to want to play some of the more expensive options at other positions.
19:52I guess it's possible he gets squeezed just from, just from a salary perspective, but I'd be pretty surprised if Joe Burrow
19:58comes in at 7%, just, just given, just given how chalky some of the other pass catchers on the Bengals are.
20:05Then again, I know, I know these are a wet lead ownership projections.
20:09They're going to be dialed in. So just make sure that you look at the ownership projections tomorrow.
20:15That's when they're going to be the most dialed in.
20:18But yeah, if Burrow is at 7%, I love that call.
20:21I think he's going to be a fantastic pick.
20:24Um, let me see if I have any other quarterbacks or, I mean, if you have any others that you want to
20:31throw out there, feel free, but otherwise I will see if there's any that I have particular interested that I want your takes on.
20:38Yeah, you go for it, Neil. I think that I, I gave out two, uh, from my advanced matchups column that you
20:45can go get on fantasypoints.com right now. It's in the same package as the projections, the fantasy pro package.
20:51Uh, the, the point of that for those who are unfamiliar is I just try to find the handful of plays that I think can completely go off.
21:00It's bonus points for if nobody else is talking about them.
21:03Um, I, I try to make it at least like a relatively contrarian focused article going over covered shell schematic matchups, everything
21:10I dig through with the fantasy points data suite.
21:13And then, yeah, I kind of bring the research here to Neil on this show, but yeah, I can't, I can't give everything away from the article.
21:21So if you guys do want to go read the entire thing over 6,000 words of notes, uh, yeah, Ryan heats, advanced matchups on fantasy points.
21:30You can use promo code DFS and yeah, Neil, give me some of the quarterbacks that you are interested in here at
21:36lower ownership and interested to hear your thoughts. There's only two more that I, uh, that stand out to me that I
21:43want your thoughts on, um, because I could see, and they're both from the same game.
21:48And I see this game as having potential to go off and I sort of have interest in both quarterbacks, uh, Lamar Jackson and Daniel Jones.
21:56To me, that's a game that Baltimore could come in and just be a really high powered offense this year.
22:03Uh, they could play a little bit faster and then Daniel Jones, I think he's been looking like he's pretty healthy and
22:10we saw what the Colts could do with Daniel Jones healthy last year.
22:14So I think there's, you know, kind of a wide range of outcomes for this game and neither of these quarterbacks is
22:20particularly strong point per dollar, but they're not getting a lot of ownership as a result.
22:25Um, so I'm, you know, I'm, I'm tempted by it.
22:29Do you, uh, do you see any reason to play them?
22:32Would you play them in, you know, a 20 lineup set or would have to be more like a one 50 set?
22:39I'd probably need a one 50 set to get to those two quarterbacks.
22:43Uh, I mean, to make the case for Jones at 3% ownership, Hey, he was leading the NFL in passing yards per
22:50game through like week 10 last year before he got injured.
22:53I was just playing completely out of his mind.
22:56I think everybody over the off season has kind of just merged toward, Hey, he's coming off of an Achilles injury.
23:03It's Daniel Jones, a guy that like nobody in NFL circles has ever really thought was that good of a player.
23:09So the regression is just like very priced in, I think to everybody's minds right now.
23:14Uh, but yeah, if that's wrong, I could see Daniel Jones taking down like a large field tournament, but yeah, I would
23:21probably need to get to a one 50 set.
23:24Uh, Lamar is interesting. Like up at 6,800. It's just hard for me when he's sandwiched in between Joe Burrow, uh, who
23:31we just talked about and Jalen hurts. I think you can make, uh, kind of similar argument for where both, uh, Lamar
23:38and hurts were not like as amazing for fantasy football last year.
23:41Uh, Lamar, because of injuries hurts because of the awful offensive coordinator, Kevin Petulo.
23:46Both of them are going to be in completely new offenses.
23:49I'm high on both of their new play callers, uh, Declan Doyle and Sean Mannion.
23:54If I had to pick, it would probably be Jalen hurts between the two of them, just because hurts kind of at
24:01any given moment can break a slate by falling into the end zone twice from the one yard line.
24:07And that that's just, uh, I, yeah, I don't know that that's just like an angle.
24:12I never want to forget about, um, with Lamar.
24:14It's, it's just the, the way he wins a tournament is he was by far like the QB two behind Josh Allen
24:21over the last three years, uh, in terms of DraftKings fantasy points and everything.
24:26Uh, it was like never a question that it was those two guys at the top.
24:31Uh, and we've all just forgotten how good he is because he played hurt last year, uh, a lot.
24:37So if you look at his, even if his passing stats, like per drop back really, really suffered when he was playing
24:43through lower body injuries, just because the run threat wasn't there for opposing defenses to key in on.
24:49Uh, so I, I could begin to talk myself into it.
24:53Like just everybody's forgotten how dynamically efficient Lamar Jackson can be.
24:56Uh, who, like, who are you stacking with? Who are you stacking Lamar with?
25:00I guess is what, what I would ask. Cause I think it gets pretty difficult.
25:05I think Mark Andrews cheap is interesting. Flowers is a little, uh, maybe overpriced relative to some of the other wide receivers on the slate in my opinion.
25:14Uh, but yeah, I, so I, I guess long ramble, but I'm open to both of them.
25:19I don't think I'm getting to them outside of a one 50 set though.
25:23You're not throwing Jacoby lane out there. I mean, he's, he's, everybody is darling these days at Jacoby lane for me.
25:30It would be, I have no real opinion on Jacoby.
25:33I haven't seen the ownership yet. Uh, it would be Zay flowers though, for me, like I agree, like he's probably a
25:40little bit too expensive for what he is. However, if, if Lamar hits, it's pretty likely that Zay flowers also hits.
25:47And, you know, I've kind of high expectations for Zay flowers this year.
25:51I think he could be due for a breakout, maybe, uh, some, some positive touchdown regression for Zay flowers.
25:57Um, it is kind of what we're hoping for.
25:59So yeah, I, I guess it would be, if I'm stacking up Lamar, it would probably be Zay flowers.
26:05I mean, I just hope, you know, I think the best version of the offense would be the version where, where Zay flowers is going atomic.
26:13So yeah, and you'd probably Zay flowers. I actually like the, like total, total shot in dark, a long shot pick would be Rashad Bateman.
26:21Like after he had just a terrible year last year, they keep talking about him.
26:26Like he's the wide receiver too. It's been, it's been one of those things that like, is this real?
26:32I don't know. Like they've got these two new rookies that they just signed.
26:36Like they're not showing a lot of confidence in Rashad Bateman with their, all their draft picks.
26:42They still have Tez Walker from last year. Um, so like the, the drafting does not show confidence in Rashad Bateman, but they keep talking about him.
26:50Like he is the wide receiver too. And he keeps talking about how excited he is to be in this new offense,
26:57how it's going to be, you know, they're using him in lots of different ways.
27:02Um, which you can interpret that how you will, the fact that, uh, they, they haven't really found the right way to use Rashad Bateman yet.
27:10But, um, yeah, I think most likely it's just a flowers.
27:13I don't even know that I'll play Rashad Bateman.
27:16Uh, well, I guess we can, we'll see if we get there when we talk through wide receivers.
27:21Uh, but yeah, probably, probably just Lamar with, uh, Zay flowers single stack for me.
27:26If I, if I go there. Um, Rashad Bateman's hurt me enough times in my life that I, that I'm probably all set with Rashad Bateman.
27:34I, I drafted him some in best ball toward the end of the off season, just cause that's like a yearly tradition for me.
27:42Um, but yeah, outside of that, not a lot to say on him.
27:46Yeah. I think that's totally fair. I also, I do like the, the Jalen hurts shout out.
27:51I don't know. I like for some reason that game, I see Eagles commanders and I don't want to play it.
27:58It doesn't stand out to me as like, that's a game I really want to attack.
28:03I think because the Eagles defense is so good.
28:06Um, but I, I can totally see that. And, you know, we, we've had a whole off season of, uh, his, his former receiver kind of trashing him.
28:14You know, maybe, maybe Jalen hurts comes out with a chip on his shoulder wanting to throw the ball a little bit
28:21more show that he can do it without AJ Brown.
28:24Uh, and, and with Devonta Smith and Makai lemon.
28:27Um, you know, I think the offense could be, could be a pretty fun one with no Kevin Batullo this year.
28:34So I, I like that shot. It's one that I have not thought about much.
28:38Um, but maybe, maybe Jalen hurts. Somebody I'll kind of add to my portfolio 6% ownership.
28:43That seems reasonable enough for hurts. Uh, when you play hurts, will you be single stacking, double stacking, not stacking at all?
28:50I mean, you talk about the potential for two touchdowns.
28:53You still want in a stack up hurts when you play.
28:57I think you want to at least single stack him.
29:00Uh, we can, I can just tell you who I'd single stack him with.
29:04Uh, it is probably Dallas Goddard. Uh, so while, while I am totally open to the idea that Devonta Smith like completely
29:11proves himself as an alpha wide receiver one this year, Goddard has been on a per route basis as good or better than Devonta Smith.
29:19Uh, whenever AJ Brown has been off the field, uh, Goddard is extremely cheap.
29:23This new offense is much more focused on throws over the middle of the field.
29:28Uh, and that should theoretically benefit Dallas Goddard. Uh, yeah, he's just like a really underrated player to me.
29:34Uh, if we, it's like arguable how much you should read into any sort of matchups or schematic stuff this early in the season.
29:41But the commanders have a new defensive coordinator that comes from like the Brian Flores school coaching tree.
29:47Right. So a ton of two high looks there.
29:50Uh, we saw Dan Quinn, the commander's head coach play a ton of two high looks over the last, uh, like seven
29:57games of the season when he took over defensive play calling.
30:00So if that's like the commonality with them, uh, kind of regardless of who has more input, if that's what the commanders
30:07are doing, uh, two high looks have been better for Dallas Goddard than for Devonta Smith.
30:12Uh, that's just kind of generally true for a lot of tight ends versus like outside wide receiver ones.
30:18The two high tends to funnel targets towards the tight ends a little bit more.
30:23So I think that would be a reason to be, uh, more like leaning more towards Goddard as the stacking partner.
30:29But I think you probably wouldn't double him if, if you are banking on like the two rushing touchdowns, but yeah, two
30:36rushing touchdowns plus a Dallas Goddard, uh, shovel pass into the end zone is, is totally like, like in the cards potentially.
30:43So that that's kind of how I would approach it.
30:46I like it. Uh, rest in peace. Eli Stowers is a fantasy asset.
30:50That was fun. While it lasted. Well, we thought he might be the next Harold fan.
30:55And I shouldn't include you in that. I thought maybe he would be, let's move on to, to running back.
31:01So I think we've covered quarterbacks pretty well and, uh, running back going to be pretty fun to talk about because look at the top here.
31:09Jameer Gibbs, 40% projected ownership. I think he's really the only running back that I would call true chalk at 40%.
31:16Um, that's a lot. Is it worth it for Jameer Gibbs with no David Montgomery there?
31:21I mean, you see the 25.4 fantasy point projection.
31:24That is not something you see every slate. How much interest do you have in Jameer Gibbs?
31:29I have a lot of interest in Jameer Gibbs.
31:32It's he's like, I kind of struggled on cashing points to poke any sort of holes in him.
31:38I know this is outside the box. We're supposed to poke holes in the chalk, but Gibbs seems very bulletproof to me.
31:44Uh, it's a seven point spread. The lions should control this game throughout and Gibbs averaged over 30 draft Kings fantasy points per game in wins last year.
31:53That's 40% better than any other running back. On this slate averaged, uh, the splits are pretty similar, uh, in terms of
32:00when Dan Campbell took over play calling and they, uh, got like David Montgomery much less involved in the offense.
32:06Of course, Montgomery now gone, uh, now on the Texans.
32:09So, and the, the lions backup running backs, Isaiah Pacheco is on IR.
32:13Uh, they just have, uh, it's J it's Jacob sailors, right?
32:17The, like the UFL guy is potentially their RB too.
32:20Uh, so yeah, I, I don't see any reason not to be all in on Jameer Gibbs.
32:25It's like the closest thing to a lock button play on this slate for me.
32:30Uh, yeah. I don't, do you see like any way to get, get around it?
32:35I think it really, the game this week at running back is you, you start with Jameer Gibbs and then you kind
32:42of mix and match all of these like between 10 to 20% own guys of which we have a ton, uh, that
32:48I think are like the more important ones to kind of get right.
32:52Yeah, no, I think it was just an obvious great play.
32:56Um, I, you know, the, the case you could make for not playing Jameer Gibbs would be maybe he puts up 25
33:03fantasy points, but he's also the most expensive running back on the slate.
33:07So you get those, you know, a couple other, three other running backs to put up 25 fantasy points in there.
33:135,700, 5,900. You can, you can differentiate with those cheaper options, but Gibbs feels, it feels pretty safe to put up a ton of fantasy points here.
33:22Um, I'm, I'm going to play a lot. I don't know if I'll play 40%.
33:27I don't know if I'll play 20% or 60% yet.
33:30I think it's all of those are viable options with Jameer Gibbs.
33:33I like, I don't think a fade is like completely out of the question just again, because there is opportunity cost and
33:40it is possible that you're going to get, uh, some, some cheaper running backs to outscore him.
33:46But 40% seems just fair to me. Just, just how given how good of an option Jameer Gibbs is.
33:51Um, so yeah, I don't like, we don't have to poke holes in the chalk.
33:56It was good chalk. I mean, we can just, we can accept that there is, there is good chalk here.
34:02Um, so yeah, I think, I think Jameer Gibbs, one that we are both accepting as being pretty good chalk.
34:09Um, I will, I mean, we're, I guess we were, I said Gibbs is the only one who's really chalk here because
34:16he's more than double the ownership of any other running back.
34:19But then you do get into, I mean, Bijan Robinson, as talented as he is much, much tougher matchup with the Steelers.
34:26Um, we've got, uh, I forget who the quarterback is now that the, it's not, not even Jack Strand.
34:32Oh, they have Cooper rush, right? Cooper rush is the quarterback.
34:35Um, I wish it was Jack strand. That'd be way more fun.
34:39Do you have any particular interest or particular fade interest in any of Bijan Robinson, Devin HN or Jonathan Taylor?
34:45I, I think Bijan is the clearest fade to me.
34:48Uh, and the reason for that is, yeah, if we had gotten to a Tunga Vailoa, it would have been an amazing kind of PPR scam potential, right?
34:57To a, one of the highest running back target rate quarterbacks in the league over the past several years, of course, was
35:04feeding Devon HN, uh, to some amazing fantasy finishes for a long time.
35:08Uh, but Cooper rush, uh, a note that Jake trippy shared on caching points is Russia has one of the lowest running back target rates over his career.
35:17It's like Lamar Jackson ask the guy basically doesn't throw to the running backs.
35:21Uh, yeah, just, I don't know that the game environment is that much worse than it would have been with Tua Tunga Vailoa.
35:28Uh, I think the, the, the spread only moved like a point or something like that, which is, yeah, indictment of Tua for sure.
35:36But I do think just like stylistically, uh, like where the offense is going to run through, it's like, it's just a little bit tougher.
35:44Uh, it makes, yeah, the, the Falcons bigger underdogs, which isn't great if Bijan's not getting it done through the air with rush.
35:51So I, yeah, like the closest thing to a fade of these three for me would be Bijan.
35:56Yeah. I think that that is totally reasonable. Just like, like you said, given the matchup, uh, quarterback now, I mean, that's
36:03a big part of the Bijan cheat code is that he's going to get a lot of receptions.
36:09And if he's not getting those in a tough matchup at this price tag with Jameer gives right there.
36:15Yeah, it does, does feel like a bit of a fade to me.
36:19Um, I mean, Jonathan Taylor, I talked about, you know, kind of liking Jonathan Taylor was so much better in games with Daniel Jones last year.
36:27When Daniel Jones got hurt, that's when suddenly Jonathan Taylor took a big dip.
36:31Now he's coming in at 15% with Daniel Jones back.
36:34I know you said you're not totally buying into Daniel Jones, uh, as a quarterback play, but better than what they were throwing out there last year.
36:43Do you think Jonathan Taylor gets back to where he was and do you like him in this matchup with Baltimore?
36:49Yeah. So this is like a DFS game theory question that I wanted to set up for you.
36:55Uh, because I look at Jonathan Taylor at 15% ownership and I say, okay, uh, last year when the Colts won in,
37:02in all their wins, he averaged 31.5 draft Kings fantasy points per game.
37:06Uh, the most games grip sensitive running back in the NFL.
37:09He it's like the highest in wins average of any running back over the last five years.
37:15What he did last year was absurd. And of course, yeah, all of their wins came with Daniel Jones toward the start of the season.
37:23Makes sense that he's game script sensitive. He's not quite as involved as, uh, as of a pass catcher, uh, as like a Jameer Gibbs, a B.
37:31John Robinson. Right. So to me, you might say, okay, Ryan, well, the, the Colts are playing the Ravens.
37:37That's a really good team. They're the underdog. Why would you want to play Jonathan Taylor then?
37:42Uh, and I would say because it's like, it's week one, number one.
37:46It's, this is like when we're the most uncertain about all of these teams.
37:51Uh, maybe the Ravens offense, uh, with this new OC is like way worse than we expect.
37:56Maybe Jesse Minner's defense doesn't immediately gel together. Right.
37:59Uh, there's just like a wider range of outcomes.
38:02If you look at betting markets, it's about a 40% implied win probability for the Colts.
38:07So is that just like a 40% chance that Jonathan Taylor scores over 30 DraftKings fantasy points?
38:12Neil, like what if he's 15% owned and it's a 40% chance?
38:16Like why, why would I not want to play more Jonathan Taylor than that?
38:20Uh, I, I guess like intuitively, I know it doesn't exactly work like that, but that's like kind of where my brain
38:27goes when I look at him this week. Yeah.
38:30I take the under, if you, if you give me those odds, I don't know what the, what, how the math works
38:37as far as the, what a bookkeeper would give you.
38:40I'd take the under on 40% odds of Jonathan Taylor putting up a 31 plus fantasy points.
38:45But yeah, it's a fascinating question. I love the call out of like, yeah, this is a week one.
38:51We assume Baltimore is going to have a really good defense, but even if that's true, if we know that they are
38:58going to have a really good defense, it might not be week one.
39:02And, and mistakes happen more so earlier in the year.
39:05And, you know, we can take advantage of mistakes.
39:08Jonathan Taylor with his speed, you just have, you know, one, one player out of position and he's just gone for an ADR touchdown.
39:15Um, so yeah, Jonathan Taylor seems like a pretty strong option in week one against Baltimore.
39:20Um, 15% ownership though. It's not a number where it's like low enough that I'm like, Oh, this is a smash.
39:27I just want to, it's more like, yeah, that seems fair to me.
39:31Um, you, you, you set up the 40% number.
39:34I don't think that I think you'd agree with me that he has lower, lower than 40% odds of scoring 30 plus draft Kings points.
39:42Um, do you, do you feel strongly though, that he is a much, much better play than the 15% ownership, uh, would suggest?
39:49I don't know because like, yeah, I set that hypothetical up like that, but also there, there are all these other things.
39:56Other really awesome running backs on this slate that we kind of have to pick between, uh, you can only play for the expensive guys.
40:03It's going to be hard to get more than two of them into a lineup.
40:08So yeah, I mean, maybe, maybe he is a great play, but there, there could be like way greater plays elsewhere.
40:15So yeah, I, I think like of these three guys after Gibbs, uh, between B.
40:19John, Devon H and Jonathan Taylor, Taylor is the one that I'm like most intrigued by.
40:24Um, but yeah, yeah, I mean, I, I would concede it's not literally a 40% odds of him hitting 30 DK and winning everybody tournaments.
40:32Uh, but it, it is like, was something, yeah, just something I thought about something I, uh, wrote, wrote in my article
40:39that I, I thought was kind of a, yeah, like a funny little way to think about it.
40:45Um, that is a funny way to think about it.
40:48Um, I mean, we, we talk about like the unknowns early in the season, but we have one known on the screen
40:55right here, which is Miami's office is just going to be a mess, right?
40:59It's just going to be completely broken, untenable. They're not going to support a ton of fantasy success.
41:05Uh, but could they support Devon H and in week one, uh, against the Raiders?
41:09Do you think that's a possibility? If there were going to be a game where they could, it probably would be here
41:16against the Raiders and one of the, yeah, just easiest spots, uh, closest spreads that the dolphins are going to have all season.
41:23But I kind of lean. No, uh, I love Devon H and as a player to be clear, like one of my
41:30favorite players in the NFL, I was massively touting him in all fantasy.
41:34Formats for the last two years, basically nonstop, uh, kind of no matter what happened.
41:39But with Malik Willis as the quarterback, the issue we run into for the dolphins is, Hey, Willis has a career high
41:46of, I think it's, is it 21 dropbacks in a game or something like that?
41:50It's very low. Uh, and he's done it like once this is going to be by far the most run heavy offense in the league.
41:58And even when Willis is dropping back, it's going to be a lot of sacks, a lot of scrambles, a lot of throwaways.
42:05Uh, I had this chart that I tweeted out at some point this summer.
42:10That's just drop back conversion rate in terms of how often are your dropbacks actually turning into pass attempts.
42:16It's Justin Fields and Malik Willis and like the bottom left of that chart by far, like outlier super far away from everyone.
42:23What that does is it just eats all of these pass attempts, all of these targets, all of these plays out of
42:30the offenses of, uh, the, of those two guys.
42:33And HN, while he's honestly very underrated as a runner, he really has like made his living in fantasy as a PPR option, right?
42:40As a receiver out of the backfield, that's like where he makes the biggest difference.
42:45And even if it is like, Hey, who else are the dolphins throwing to?
42:49And that's fair enough. Even if you want to project like a 20% Devon HN target share, it's like, okay, 20% of
42:56what 20% of like 14 aimed pass attempts. Like what, what are we doing here?
43:01It, so I, I could be proven wrong, but this was like my take on HN coming into the season is I
43:08just don't see how the math works, how the, uh, play volume works.
43:12Of course you, you would say, well, Ryan, uh, Chris Wecht had the most accurate projections, uh, in the industry last year.
43:19And he seems to like the Devon HN map.
43:21Uh, Chris has always been much higher on HN has him, uh, pretty strong from a point per dollar standpoint right behind Jameer Gibbs.
43:29So that, that would be the counter is Ryan.
43:32Maybe you're not actually better at math than Chris Wecht is, uh, which would be fair enough.
43:37But yeah, I, I, for those reasons, I just find myself kind of like gravitating away from HN this week.
43:43Yeah, I'm, I'm team Ryan on this one. HN was a big, big fade for me in best ball.
43:49Uh, I just, he can obviously get there. He's only 7,000 fair price.
43:53You can see he has a pretty strong point per dollar play.
43:57I just, I think the, the point per dollar kind of reflects a better floor and not so much a ridiculously high ceiling.
44:04Um, although the floor to me doesn't even feel that high, just given, like you said, how, how many pass attempts are they really going to have?
44:13So even if he has a high target share, like, is he going to see more than five targets in a game anyway?
44:20I think you will. The way the coaches talk about him is he's never leaving the field.
44:25He's going to be used. They're going to have to pick them up off the field at the end of games because
44:32they're going to use him so much. I just, I think that's what they're hoping.
44:37I don't know if the offense is going to be on the field enough for, for that to matter.
44:43Um, so yeah, I'm, I'm not super in on a-chan.
44:46Um, I, I do, I, I realize looking on, on my screen now, uh, Trey, can you, uh, can you scroll down just slightly?
44:53Cause we have two more players at 15% projected ownership to talk about, uh, in, in Derek Henry and Ashton Gentry.
45:00So as we're given the 15% plus the, uh, the chalk treatment, we better do it for those two as well.
45:06Um, Ashton Gentry appears to be healthy. Prayer circle worked on Ashton Gentry.
45:10Uh, at this point, I think he's a full go and he has this great matchup with Miami's defense, which I think is also a mess.
45:18Uh, and then we have Derek Henry against the Colts.
45:22Do you have, uh, any particular interest or fade interest in either of these two?
45:26Uh, Neil, Graham kind of posed this question on cashing points and I didn't have a good answer, but I am interested in your answer.
45:34Had the prayer circle never happened. If that whole like injury kerfuffle never happened, uh, which at this point, it sounds like it basically hasn't.
45:42I don't think Gentry is going to be limited at all from what we've heard.
45:47It must've been a much more minor injury than it appeared.
45:50Uh, and even if we'll say in this hypothetical that Mike Washington went off in the preseason, uh, as he did, what
45:57do you think Gentry's ownership would be in week one?
46:00It just, if we never had that kind of rollercoaster in August that we all had to live through, uh, cause I
46:07think it would be much higher than 15%. But yeah, I'm curious where you fall on that.
46:12Uh, but I, yeah, I, I think like of these kind of top higher ownership running backs, he, he's one that I,
46:19uh, yeah, just gravitate toward a lot. Uh, we saw from a game script perspective.
46:24His offensive line play and his offenses have just overperformed relative to preseason expectation.
46:28Uh, I, I would argue that Mike Washington going off in the preseason is maybe a signal that this just is a
46:35really well-designed running game that we should want the biggest piece of, which is Ashton Gentry.
46:40So yeah, I, any of your thoughts on that I'd be interested in and, and yeah, where do you think his ownership
46:47would be if we never had to suffer through the prayer circle?
46:51Yeah, I would say I was thinking 28%. I think it would be 28% if we never suffered through, like, I think
46:57this would, I think you're absolutely right that this would have been the chalk because he's playing against Miami.
47:03No Brock Bowers, which I think you can go either way on how that affects things because Bowers obviously makes the offense
47:10better, um, but also takes a lot of usage away.
47:13Yeah, I think Ashton Gentry is going to just have awesome usage.
47:17Now we don't know for certain that this whole thing won't actually affect him somewhat.
47:22You know, he did miss a lot of practice.
47:25Um, it's possible that he is somewhat more limited, but yeah, I don't really think so.
47:30I kind of think like the way you laid it out, this is one of the few good matchups we're going to have all year.
47:37And the usage is going to be elite for Ashton Gentry.
47:41And I think this offense is going to be less broken than the Miami offense.
47:45Like you said, cause they have Clint Kubiak, uh, I think they're going to have a lot more success.
47:51So I'm into it. Ashton Gentry, 15% projected ownership at 6,600.
47:55Uh, yeah, I like, I like to play quite a bit with Gentry at this price tag.
48:00It's funny cause Derek Henry is only a hundred dollars more expensive, actually projects a little bit better.
48:06Um, doesn't stand out to me quite as much as, as a really strong play as Ashton Gentry, just because we're, we're talking about full PPR here.
48:14Doesn't have kind of the floor that comes with full PPR.
48:18You obviously have the ceiling with Derek Henry. You can hit that hundred yard bonus and have a couple of touchdowns.
48:24Um, but yeah, I feel like the floor is, is less safe with Henry, which kind of feels ridiculous now that I'm saying it.
48:32Cause we're talking about Derek Henry versus Ashton Gentry, uh, and the Ravens versus the Raiders.
48:37Um, but yeah, how are you feeling about Derek Henry?
48:40Yeah. Hey, if you had asked me last year or the year before that, or the year before that, I would have
48:47sat on the show and told you, yeah, he's hitting the age cliff this year.
48:51I see it coming. I've been calling it forever.
48:54Uh, I've stopped calling it with Derek Henry. Uh, I was in on him in redraft this year.
49:00I do think in this spot, if you're going to play him, you probably want to do it.
49:05Henry plus Ravens defense. And you say, this is it.
49:09We actually get like disaster Daniel Jones this week, which is also a possibility to me.
49:14Uh, so I think that's like how you'd want to play it.
49:17Um, just because Henry, uh, that until Jonathan Taylor came for his crown was like the most game script sensitive running back, like pure two down player.
49:26So I, yeah, to me, you just like take one or the other on either side of this game.
49:32However, you want to play it through. Um, I, I think I'm a little more intrigued by Taylor, but it's, it's basically like the same type of case.
49:40I like this case that trade just made in, uh, in our private chat says Henry and JT, both the most game script sensitive backs in the NFL.
49:49So you have to have at least, uh, play at one of them because they're going to head to head.
49:55So one of them is going to have the positive game script and got, it could just be a, you know, kind
50:02of a, a knockdown drag out kind of a game, I guess would be, would be the one counter as it is possible.
50:09This just ends up being a very close game where you never have, you know, a clear lead.
50:15Um, but yeah, no, I, I like that call out from, from Trey of maybe, maybe you can just count on one
50:22of these guys succeed in the other one failing.
50:25You probably don't want to play them in the same lineup though, is the definite, the definite takeaway.
50:30Right. Yeah, no, you definitely can't play them in the same lineup.
50:34Uh, I, I don't know. You're, you're the game theory expert, Neil, you tell me, but my understanding is that opposing running
50:41backs against each other in a DFS lineup where you're trying to hit a top 1% outcome, uh, is very thin.
50:48It's, it's very unlikely, especially for running backs that aren't that involved in the passing game.
50:53Because typically we, we see like, uh, Kyle men had an awesome, like series of tweets and article out about this, uh,
50:59on a fantasy points this summer, but like an absurd percentage of running back points are scored.
51:05Uh, when teams are leading, it's like 60 to 70% or something like that.
51:09So yeah, they, they can't, they can't both have positive game scripts.
51:13Yeah, I guess the, with these two, there is the possibility of just like 60 yard touchdown after 60 yard touchdown to speed up the game.
51:21But I, I agree. It's, it's, uh, it's not my favorite thing to do is to play running backs in the same
51:28game against each other when they're not pass catching running backs.
51:31It's a different story when it's Devin A. Chan and Christian McCaffrey.
51:35Uh, but yeah, with these two, it's, uh, it's more questionable, I think, um, just given the lack of, of pass catching.
51:42Uh, okay, let's move on to some more, uh, some, some more contrarian running backs.
51:47Um, do you want me to throw it to you or just, just name some that I suspect you're going to like,
51:53or do you want to continue playing the guessing game?
51:57Yeah, let's play the game. The game, the game's kind of fun.
52:00I see why Scott made you do this so much.
52:03It's a, it's like, it like feeds the ego a little bit of whether you're like going to guess it correctly.
52:10So let's stick with that. Whoa. Okay. Uh, Omarion Hampton.
52:13I mean, uh, he's, he's on the chargers. I know you like Justin Herbert, so I don't know to what extent Omarion
52:20Hampton, uh, you want to play him with Justin Herbert, but just given the matchup, the price tag, um, stands out to
52:27me as somebody that you might like, do you have any interest in Omarion Hampton?
52:32Yeah, I love Omarion Hampton this week. Uh, I think part of the reason I'm so kind of cagey on like running
52:38backs two through seven in ownership is I think Hampton is just as good or better of a play than most of them.
52:46Um, uh, you have Keaton Mitchell who is like anyone that's not been like on the kind of redraft and best ball
52:52fantasy football ride with us this summer. We'll probably be very confused by the rant I'm about to go on.
52:59Uh, Keaton Mitchell is like the guy that everyone that big best ball has tried to force us to care about this off season.
53:06And I, he fun player. Don't get me wrong.
53:09Came over from the Ravens. He's five foot eight, 190 pounds.
53:12He, I think the stack Graham Barfield gave out is he's never played more than 20 snaps in a game.
53:19I think he has a career high of like eight or nine touches.
53:23He's fun. He, when he touches the ball, he's very efficient.
53:26He's fast. He pops off the screen. Like I get why people are intrigued by Keaton Mitchell in a Mike McDaniel offense
53:33where he, yeah, I can see Keaton Mitchell having some big plays this year.
53:37I just don't see why in week one where Mitchell's been limited all week with a hamstring injury.
53:43Uh, we have the chargers is nine and a half point favorites against the Cardinals.
53:48Uh, the defense that we just spent a bunch of time talking about how awful it could be this year, uh, in the Justin Herbert section.
53:56We have Hampton going up against the Cardinals where Mike McDaniel in his, in his team's seven wins last year had his
54:03backfield average over 30 fantasy points per game. That's a top seven mark.
54:07The chargers clearly going to win this game. Even if you're like the biggest Omarian Hampton skeptic and you're like, okay, I,
54:14he gets like two thirds of the backfield fantasy points or expected fantasy points.
54:18That's like still a pretty damn good score. That's still 20 draft Kings fantasy points.
54:23That's like your baseline expectation. Uh, I don't, I don't know.
54:26I just don't understand why we're supposed to be afraid of Keaton Mitchell, especially at the goal line in a format where we're hunting touchdowns more than anything.
54:35Uh, in the, yeah, a DFS tournament where you want to finish top 1%.
54:39There's just a very big chance to me that Hampton is an every down bell cow or something close to it.
54:46Uh, Mitchell gets like a couple of gadgety types of touches.
54:49Uh, Hampton, by the way, the stat I keep sharing, uh, throughout the summer is he hit a 75% snap share in four games last year.
54:57That's despite him missing half the season, uh, because of an injury and that four games is more than any of Jameer
55:04Gibbs, Chase Brown, James Cook, or Derek Henry hit a 75% snap share last year.
55:09Hampton is just really built to be an incredibly fantasy friendly, every down bell cow.
55:14Uh, great hands, like obviously can get like get in at the goal line.
55:18Uh, yeah, I just, I, I don't get the skepticism.
55:21I think everyone's massively overthought Omerian Hampton this off season.
55:24And the best way to take advantage of that is right now in week one before everybody realizes they were wrong.
55:31So as a certified best ball bro, I have to start by asking you, are you aware of the wanted posters?
55:37I am. That's where the whole wanted. I mean, okay.
55:40I mean, you're, you're aware of the wanted poster.
55:43You still don't get it with Keaton Mitchell. I mean, Mike, Mike, we can put up wanted posters in the locker room
55:50saying this is, I want Keaton Mitchell on the team.
55:53This is the guy that I want. Um, no, I, I, so first of all, I'll, I'll make the case for, um,
56:00I don't think that big best ball is necessarily wrong.
56:03Uh, to, to have loved Keaton Mitchell as a, an interesting best ball option.
56:08Certainly not a season long play because we, we've seen it with Mike McDaniel offenses, being able to support two running backs with Raheem Mostert and Devin HN.
56:16Obviously that has been the hope of all hopes for Keaton Mitchell bulls and then seeing him in the preseason actually involved in the passing game.
56:24That was the biggest like reason to not be a believer in Keaton Mitchell was the lack of passing game involvement.
56:31So then to see that in the preseason, pretty, you know, uh, give some hope to people who, uh, overdraft Keaton Mitchell quite a bit in best ball.
56:40But with all of that said, and I'll also add, I'm not the biggest believer in Omari Hampton being like a great NFL running back.
56:48Like, I, I'm not sure, not sure about the talent yet at this point.
56:52I think it could be there, but we know that he at least has breakaway speed.
56:57And I think in this matchup with, with the fully off, uh, fully healthy offensive line against the Cardinals, I think he's
57:04going to be able to hit the hole and just break off some, some long run.
57:09So fully with you on loving Omari Hampton in this matchup.
57:12Uh, even though I don't love the Keaton Mitchell slander, um, especially after what we just saw what happened to, uh, to Ferguson last night.
57:20I mean, come on attacking, attacking best ball, bros while we're down.
57:24That's just for, Hey, I had my Terrence Ferguson bags packed.
57:27He was, he was in my redraft, uh, draft guide.
57:30I was suffering along with everybody else on Terrence Ferguson.
57:33I get it with Keaton Mitchell in terms, this is neither here nor there for the show, but yeah, when in a
57:40best ball format where you don't have to predict the weeks when he's going to take a screen 40 yards to the
57:47house as one of his five touches, that sounds great.
57:50Actually. Yeah. I like, I get the appeal there, but I think, yeah, it's like very much jumped the shark, uh, in
57:57terms of affecting our thoughts about Omari and Hampton.
58:00So I agree with you about it, not affecting my thoughts on Omar and Hampton.
58:05I think Omari happens. Uh, fantastic. I don't know if I'll play Keaton Mitchell, uh, on, on Sunday, but I'm at least
58:12like, I'm, I'm slightly tempted to play just in case, just in case this is the game that we find out that Keaton Mitchell is a real thing.
58:20And it's the perfect matchup. Just like if, if Mike McDaniel does want to show off a little bit, like here's what
58:27I can do with these running backs. I mean, this is just elite, elite spot with the matchup with, uh, the offensive line being healthy.
58:35Um, I don't know. I think there's slightly slight appeal for, for the largest field GPPs, but I'm also, I play the largest field GPPs.
58:43So I, I have to think very outside the box sometimes.
58:46And I like running back twos better than most do for the largest field GPPs.
58:51Um, so I'm, I'll just say that I'm not completely opposed to playing Keith Mitchell.
58:56I'm also not completely opposed to playing them together.
58:58Um, but, but that's a lot more interest. We don't need to go in depth on, on Keith Mitchell because we both
59:05just have a ton of interest in Omar and Hampton in this matchup.
59:09He's, uh, yeah, should, should get plenty of looks and should be able to take advantage of it.
59:15And especially with, with the fully healthy offensive line.
59:18Um, but let, let's move on because I think that we are, are in agreement on that one.
59:23That's pretty clear. I think it gets a lot tougher, honestly.
59:27Like that was the one that is like, this is, this is kind of a gimme to me.
59:32Um, I'm sort of curious if you have any interest in either of the Pittsburgh running backs, Rico Dowdle or Jalen Warren,
59:39uh, nice matchup with Atlanta, but I think that's, it's been a tough one for me throughout, throughout the off season to
59:46try to figure out who, who do we really prefer between?
59:50I think they're both like pretty talented running backs.
59:52Warren, I expect to be more involved in the passing game.
59:56Um, but I'm curious where you stand, uh, especially for this game in particular on Warren and Dowdle as potential place.
60:02I think it's interesting. Uh, I don't know that I'm getting there in anything like smaller than a 20 max or something like that.
60:10Uh, like I, if I was doing three lineups, I don't think I would have a Steelers running back, but yeah.
60:16Uh, with Cooper rush coming in, uh, as the starter a couple of days before it's real tempting to say, Hey, why
60:23don't I just stack up a Steelers running back with Steelers DST?
60:27Um, in terms of which one it would be, I I've also like struggled on that this off season, Jalen Warren, I'm
60:34a big fan of, I have thought that he's much better than every NFL head coach he's ever had has thought he was.
60:41Uh, he is like top three and miss tackles force per touch over the last five seasons.
60:46Uh, and, and always is like at the top of the league in kind of the nerdy running back stats that we
60:53all wish mattered more than they actually do. Uh, so I like at heart, I'm a Jalen Warren guy, but ultimately when
61:00I look at this, I say, all right, Rico Dowdle has at some point in each of the last two seasons been
61:07installed as an every down bell cow by two different head coaches in the NFL.
61:12And one of them, he plays for again. Now Mike McCarthy, uh, of course that required like Ezekiel Elliott, who was extremely
61:19washed and played for way too long, uh, like missing a meeting.
61:22But once it happened, it was like, Oh wow.
61:25Rico Dowdle is a revelation here. Right? So I do think if there, if one of the two of them is just
61:32surprisingly a 70% snap share guy in week one, it is probably Dowdle.
61:36So if I'm picking between them, he's who I would go with.
61:40Um, but yeah, I think, I think there are other running backs that I'm more interested in getting different with.
61:46All right. Well, we'll call that one a miss on my, my guessing game.
61:50Um, all right. I feel like this one, you may have already mentioned, uh, some interest in Travis CTN, uh, for, for the saints.
61:58Do you have, do you have any interest in ETN?
62:01Not really. I guess you mentioned him as a reason to not like Shuck as much.
62:06So maybe I just inferred that maybe you had interest there.
62:09Um, but no, no, no interest in 5,905%, you know, seems reasonable, but not, uh, not one of your place.
62:16Yeah. Not, not one of my guys. I don't think, I don't think Travis it's Travis H and by the way, everyone's
62:23going to tell me in the comments that I'm saying his name wrong for saying it's Travis H and he insists it's
62:29Travis H and I, this has been one of my like pet peeve things.
62:34The entire off season is no matter which way I say it, people tell me I'm wrong.
62:39So we're going with it's Travis H and, uh, I don't think he's that great of a play.
62:45I have been like a Travis H and hater for a long time.
62:49Uh, I guess my like biggest issue with him in this spot would be, I think people see him as like more
62:56of a pass catcher than he actually might be.
62:59Uh, even with, uh, is Alvin Kamara out? I think he is, uh, or at least very limited.
63:04Positive. Oh, okay. So either regardless of whether Alvin Kamara plays or not, uh, I don't see Travis H and as a
63:11big pass catcher, which matters to me when the saints are seven point underdogs.
63:15Uh, so much of his pass catching last year was like the Liam Cohen screen game, uh, kind of scam that he runs for all of his backfields.
63:24He did it for Bucky Irving back in 2024 as well.
63:28Um, and Kellen Moore is the opposite of that.
63:30He really doesn't design screens to his running backs whatsoever.
63:33Uh, even going back to guys like, uh, Tony Pollard, um, even Austin Eckler saw like a big dip in his target
63:40share when he played for Kellen Moore. It's like a pretty durable trend trend that I think is real.
63:46So yeah, HN has been like a fade for me across most formats this year.
63:51All right. Another, another miss. Let me, let me, let me see if I can get back on track here.
63:57I feel like, uh, so one that I don't even know if, uh, I think you'll like him necessarily, but I need
64:04to get your thoughts on because we thought he was going to be super chalky.
64:09At least I thought he was going to be super chalky at one point.
64:13Marshawn Lloyd coming in at like virtually no ownership.
64:16I think because we now have some concern about, is it going to be a split backfield with Caleb Johnson, but he's
64:234,800 getting the start could be the bell cow.
64:26We, we don't know for sure. Um, do you have any interest in, in taking a shot on Marshawn?
64:32Marshawn Lloyd against the Vikings. Marshawn Lloyd has been such a moving target the last couple of weeks.
64:37Like I feel like I've had to readjust my take and like how I approach him so many different times because I,
64:44I have just been wrong about how everyone else would view him at like every point in time.
64:50Uh, yeah, initially when we got into the week, I started writing up Marshawn Lloyd in terms of, uh, I don't think
64:57he's going to be this bell cow that people might want or expect.
65:01Uh, I think the, we talked about earlier, Brian Flores and the Vikings, a very blitz heavy defense.
65:06Uh, that could be a problem in terms of just snaps for Marshawn Lloyd.
65:11Uh, I don't know that they trust him in pass pro Chris Brooks.
65:15I think they do trust in pass pro. So that could just be fewer snaps for Lloyd off the top there.
65:21Uh, but then, yeah, I, I look at like single digit ownership for a player that, I mean, say what you want
65:28about him in terms of, he's never been able to stay healthy enough to actually get onto an NFL football field until now in college.
65:36He was a really exciting per touch prospect at the very least, uh, like top upper percentiles in yards after contact and
65:43all of the like nerdy running back stats. Right.
65:46So there's at least like some juice here to me.
65:49Uh, I, I, the Vikings also were one of the biggest run funnel defenses last year.
65:54I mean, we, we just talked about how we think the Packers can lean more and more into the past.
66:00And I think that would be bad for Lloyd if that were the case, uh, because he doesn't have much of like a pass catching resume.
66:08But if it is like same old, same old Matt LaFleur, I mean, they, they gave Emmanuel Wilson 28 carries the last time that Josh Jacobs was out.
66:17And he, um, I assume broke the slate where, with where he was priced in, in that game.
66:22So it, yeah, at 4% and like, I think he's clearly the best, like cheap running back play.
66:28Uh, so yeah, I can't really, I, I I'm with you.
66:31I was ready to like, come on here on, uh, yeah, on Saturday and say, Oh, 20% Marshawn Lloyd ownership.
66:38That's ridiculous. This guy is not nearly as good as people think, but like, like, yeah, I can't really get too mad about it here.
66:46I think he's a pretty decent play. Yeah. 4% seems, seems very fair for Marshawn Lloyd because he, he's a mystery box.
66:52Like we, we think he might be really talented and he might get big opportunity, or he could be just kind of a mediocre running back.
67:00In a split backfield. Uh, we just, there's a wide range of outcomes.
67:05So it's really ownership dependent with a player like Lloyd, where it's just like, uh, okay, I'll lean into the chaos.
67:11So if he's getting a lot of ownership, I'm going to lean into the chaos and not play a lot.
67:17But since he's only getting 4%, I'll lean into it the other way.
67:21And I'll, I'm happy to get overweight on Marshawn Lloyd.
67:25Um, who, who, who else would, do you have any other names that you want to throw out there?
67:30I guess I, I have a couple more, um, that I'd like your opinions on.
67:35Um, Bucky Irving against Cincinnati kind of stands out at 5,700.
67:39Sean Tucker is, uh, not going to play in this game or is at least doubtful.
67:44Um, which I think, I don't know how much Sean Tucker we're expecting to affect Bucky Irving, but the fact that it's
67:50just a, a two way split instead of a three way split, um, with a running back as talented as Bucky Irving, somewhat interested me at 5,700.
67:59Do you have any interest there? I mean, it, it, Tucker being out at least clarifies that it won't be him getting
68:06the goal line touches, which is what we saw at the end of last season.
68:10Uh, just making Irving like really rough for fantasy where he was getting, uh, destroyed at the goal line by Sean Tucker
68:17destroyed in the passing game by Rashad White. Uh, yeah, at, at worst, it's two ways now.
68:23I do think like there, it's not out of the question to me that Kenneth Gainwell is the one getting the goal line touches.
68:30Uh, I don't think it's like the most likely, but it's possible.
68:34Like he won the goal line role over Jalen Warren toward the end of last season.
68:39So I don't want to like rule that out, but yeah, I think at 9%, Bucky Irving is defensible.
68:45I can see it in this game environment. Um, I think what I like more though is that, yeah, the other running
68:52back in this game, Chase Brown, uh, at 10% ownership, I think is just, I, he's more expensive than Bucky Irving, but
68:59I would just much rather play it through Brown.
69:01Uh, because last year in games that Joe Burrow started, Brown averaged 21.7 expected fantasy points per game.
69:07Um, that's the most of any slate eligible running back this, this week, like the best workload, uh, top six in target
69:14share top five and draft Kings fantasy points per game in that split.
69:18The Buccaneers are this underneath funnel defense. Uh, they've allowed the second most receiving fantasy points per game to running backs last year.
69:25I think people look at them as like a tough matchup on the ground, which is true.
69:30But for Chase Brown, the upside really is through the air, uh, through the fact that he's a tough matchup on the ground.
69:38That he is like a notable red zone target for Joe Burrow.
69:41I think you can play him in Burrow stacks kind of mix and match with Jamar Chase T Higgins.
69:47I think you can play him alone, uh, as like a way to get a little bit more contrarian, uh, as like an expensive running back.
69:55Yeah. He's like a really fun play to me.
69:58I, I was, I, I ranked him at the one, two turn and redraft this year.
70:03I'm a big, uh, chase Brown believer for fantasy.
70:06I think he's while he's not like as talented of a running back is like all these other guys that we talk
70:13about drafting in round one and round two of fantasy football drafts that has basically never mattered as long as he's played with Joe Burrow.
70:21So I think people massively over-focus, uh, on that aspect with Brown.
70:24And if he's getting overlooked on this slate, I want, I want to have some of them.
70:30Um, okay. And you say you're willing to play him with Joe Burrow.
70:34Yeah. My, I guess my, my biggest reason for not being excited about Brown is treating it like this is just a
70:41total pass funnel defense with, with Vita Veya there.
70:43Um, I don't know. I don't know if you, uh, I feel like Scott is not the biggest Vita Veya guy.
70:50Like he's not a big believer in, in Vita Veya as a, I could be wrong, but I might be misremembering.
70:57And I feel like Scott may have, uh, had that opinion at one point.
71:01Um, do you have any concerns about just the, the Tampa Bay defense being more of a pass funnel and that kind of affecting Brown?
71:09I, I think, as I said, I think it's just fine for him because his upside really is accessed via the air
71:16and via catching a touchdown or two from Joe Burrow.
71:19Uh, I don't know. Chase Brown's like never an efficient runner.
71:22That's like not really what I'm signing up for.
71:25And what I'm trying to get when I'm playing Chase Brown, I'm, I'm just in almost like a Christian McCaffrey ask sense.
71:32I'm just looking for the, an amazing workload on one of the best offenses in the NFL.
71:37Like I think rushing efficiency is massively overrated for fantasy.
71:40It's massively overrated in terms of like importance in real NFL football.
71:44And Brown just has the role to where I'm fine playing him into that matchup.
71:49And, and yeah, as I said, like all of the, like the Buccaneers defense just operates.
71:54Yeah. They, they don't want you to run on them.
71:57But you can pass short on them. They're like an underneath funnel as well.
72:01Most receiving yards per game in the NFL within 10 yards of the line of scrimmage last year.
72:07Uh, so plenty of check downs potentially for Chase Brown.
72:10Like I, I, I see this as like a pretty good matchup, honestly.
72:14Okay. Yeah, no, that does make me reconsider. Make me think maybe, maybe I want to play a little bit more Chase Brown.
72:21Um, you can see, you can see why the shows go so long with me and Scott, cause I want your opinion on every single player.
72:29So this one, I'm going to stop asking you about specific players.
72:33There's a couple other names there that I'm like, I could see Ryan potentially having, having interest in these players, but I'm
72:40just going to open it up to you. Are there any other running backs that you have particular interest in on this slate?
72:47Uh, I don't think there's anyone else we like need to talk about.
72:51So we, yeah, we're going pretty long. We can move on to what, to wide receivers and to tight ends.
72:57I think. Okay. Yeah. Let's, let's move on to wide receivers.
73:01And again, looking at the top of the ownership, uh, Jamar chase at 26%, Aminor at 21%, Chris Olave at 21%.
73:07And then kind of a gap down after those three.
73:11So of, of the three wide receivers getting over 20% ownership, any, uh, big targets for you or big fades?
73:17Not really. I think Jamar chase is the one I feel the most confident in, in terms of he, he's just like
73:24very unimpeachable to me where he averages, uh, close to 28 draft Kings fantasy points per game in games above a 50
73:30over under, uh, the last two seasons. So it's like pretty, it's the hardest for me to get off of him.
73:37I should say, uh, St. Brown and Olave definitely both like good plays, good values in a vacuum.
73:43Uh, but both of them are, are more so like the compiler types to me where chase can just like light up a game by himself.
73:51He's like that dynamic of a player. Uh, St.
73:54Brown is an amazing football player. Olave an amazing football player.
73:57I just don't put like either of them quite on that same level.
74:01So yeah, I get, if I were going under on any of those three chase would like be the one I make
74:08sure I have, I have a lot of, um, but yeah, no like particular gripes with any of the three.
74:14Okay. Um, yeah. And I, I think, you know, we, we've got a few more that are above 10%, but we don't
74:21need to be nitpicking through all of the, you know, uh, teen, teen ownership players.
74:26Um, unless are, are there any that we have over, over 10% that you have especially a lot of interest in that
74:33you're going to be targeting quite a bit. So over 10%, we have Trey Tucker, Parker, Washington, Ted, Rowe, McMillan, Jamison Williams,
74:40Quentin Johnston, Justin Jefferson, Garrett Wilson, T Higgins, Ladd McConkie and Zay Flowers.
74:44So rather than going through them one by one, I just want to know, do you, do you have favorites from this group?
74:51Any that you're going to be like substantially overweight relative to, uh, what we're rejecting the ownership to be?
74:57Uh, did you say Jamison Williams? Yep. I think he's a great play.
75:01Uh, this is in this game. You're going to have a ton of ownership, uh, on Alman Ross St.
75:07Brown. You're going to have obviously a ton of ownership on Gibbs, a ton on Olave, uh, a lot of people playing Jared Goff.
75:14Jamison Williams is kind of the forgotten man here.
75:17And that, that could just be like a massive mistake.
75:20Uh, he, he's like the most GPP friendly wide receiver ever where he just has this very downfield role, boomer bust, uh, better in best ball.
75:28However, you won't kind of want to put it.
75:31And the matchup is really enticing for him from a schematic perspective.
75:35Uh, the saints over their last 10 games near the top of the NFL in cover three and in single high looks in general.
75:42And that's like a 47% target per out run boost for Jamison Williams going up against single high, uh, which we will
75:49typically see for a lot of like the outside deep threat receivers that just tends to be a bit easier of a coverage for them to beat.
75:58Uh, yeah, at 27% more efficient against cover three, uh, for Jamison Williams.
76:02I think he's a great play. Uh, and kind of, yeah, I don't know if this is a, this is like a
76:08scenario where he's like everybody's favorite GPP play because he's like the one lion that has that projects for not like insane ownership.
76:16But I think regardless of that, he's pretty interesting to me.
76:19Yeah, no, I, he's somebody that I have already written down as one of my favorite GPP plays.
76:25So you might be right. He might be one that we, we all love based on the projected ownership.
76:31And then he's going to come in at, you know, 18% and he's going to be like, all right, that's still fine,
76:38but not, not quite the smash that we thought it was, but we can hope, you know, there's a lot of players
76:44out there, uh, with a lot of plays to play.
76:48Um, we, we also had right there. I want your opinion on Quentin Johnson.
76:52I just thought we can skip past most of these, but, uh, kind of the same like, uh, prototype as, as Jameson
76:59Williams being the big, big play threat, uh, in a really strong offense with chalkier teammates, but he's only 4,700.
77:05Um, do you have any interest in, in QJ?
77:08So I want to be the QJ hater, uh, cause for those that aren't aware of me and Scott Barrett have been having this argument all summer.
77:16Uh, I'm the lad McConkie guy. I wrote an entire article where lad became the face of it.
77:22And he's very much been like attached to me, like brand wise as a player, uh, because I said he could become
77:29the next Jackson Smith and Jigba, uh, with the heavier personnel, uh, the two wide receiver sets that Mike McDaniel is going
77:36to introduce into the chargers offense, uh, just massively increasing per route efficiency for all the wide receivers that are still on
77:42the field, uh, that are competing for targets. Against blocking tight ends against fullbacks.
77:47Uh, that's like a big trend in the NFL going into this year as a lot of teams are going to be
77:54experimenting more with the heavy personnel looks. I think lad, uh, from a season long perspective and this week could be a big beneficiary of that.
78:02Uh, Quentin Johnston, like I can't argue that hard against it at 4,900, uh, because of everything I just said, I think he's clearly the double stack partner.
78:11If you're playing Justin Herbert with lad, I think it almost has to be, uh, QJ lad Herbert, uh, just because kind
78:17of the whole idea for why these guys could be so efficient is there's going to be this like gross rotation between
78:24Trey Harris and Charlie Kohler, uh, who best who big best ball also has tried to make us care about.
78:31Uh, it's, it's all the chargers this year is I've, what I've noticed, uh, with Alec Ingold fullback, like the, the idea
78:37is that this offense in practice should be very condensed between McConkie and QJ because everyone else is like not really a
78:44pass catcher is just kind of there to pass block.
78:47Uh, so yeah, QJ at his price, I think is a really good play.
78:52I wouldn't play him over lad if I'm looking for a one-off.
78:56I think there are some other kind of in the 5k range of wide receivers, uh, around him that are also really interesting.
79:03So I, I like, I don't think you have to go to QJ if you're just looking for like a one-off to pay down.
79:10Um, but yeah, I, I can't really poke that many holes in him.
79:14Uh, at least this week, I'm, I'm sure throughout the season, this might be a war that, uh, I, that we're fighting every, every single week.
79:22Uh, so I'm not the biggest QJ guy. I do just like from just, just this week, you know, being, being 4,700.
79:29Um, yeah, I think QJ at least has, like, like you said, kind of the, the profile of somebody who is kind of boom bust.
79:37He's going to have his weeks certainly could happen, uh, in this matchup with the Cardinals.
79:42So I have a little bit of interest in QJ this week, but he's also 11%.
79:47So not, not exactly a huge target of mine.
79:50Um, just given that, um, but let's, let's move on to some of the, I mean, I know that you want to talk about the Packers guys.
79:58So let's just go there because we talked about Christian Watson, Jaden Reed.
80:02You mentioned being your stacking partners, um, with Jordan love.
80:05Can you, can you tell me why you prefer those two and not Jacob Sanderson's favorite Matthew golden?
80:11Uh, shout out Jacob Sanderson. Love Jacob. Uh, love doing content with him.
80:15What? Yeah. One of my favorite people in the industry to talk to and to argue with.
80:20Uh, and I think Jacob would say, would like want me to say, he's not really that big of a Matthew golden guy either.
80:28I think Jacob feels forced into being a Matthew golden guy just because the whole industry has kind of taken on my
80:35way of thinking, which is like Matthew golden is a prospect who has, I forget the exact stat that I used to
80:42throw out all the time, but he's never been above like a 17% target per outrun rate.
80:47Let's just say, uh, at any point in his college career, in his NFL career, he's just not a target earner.
80:54This is what all of us spreadsheet dorks talk about is players who earn targets at one level of football are probably
81:00going to continue earning targets, uh, when they move on to the NFL, when they move on to a different team, uh,
81:07when they have other target competition, earning targets is a skill.
81:11And Matthew golden just has never done that in his career at any point.
81:15And he's next to Christian Watson and Jaden Reed, who at least on a per route basis are two of the more
81:22efficient receivers in the league over the past three years.
81:25Uh, Christian Watson in games that he's played above a 70% route share averages something close to 17 draft Kings fantasy points
81:32per game, uh, like top 12 wide receiver levels of production.
81:35Uh, Jaden Reed, not that far off. You can do a similar stat with him.
81:40Basically the reason that these guys haven't been amazing fantasy assets in the past is what you mentioned earlier, Neil is there's
81:47just always been this obnoxious wide receiver rotation in green Bay.
81:50Matt Lafleur was obsessed with, of course, Romeo Dobbs would just not rotate and play every down.
81:56And we would rotate through Don Tavian wicks. We would get Malik Heath.
82:00We would get Savion Williams. Like no, nobody asked for any of these guys to just come in and take 30 to
82:0740% of routes off the top of the players that are actually good that we actually want to play in fantasy and care about.
82:14And this year it's from Lafleur's mouth all going all the way back to may.
82:19Uh, basically once Dobbs and wicks got shipped out, he was like, yeah, this is, we aren't going to rotate as much anymore.
82:26Uh, it's going to be much easier to get touches to our top guys.
82:30Now I'm excited about that. Uh, the most recent clip out from him was saying he really wants to, uh, have his,
82:37his big three, uh, play as much as possible.
82:40Uh, I don't actually know if he has Tucker craft or Matthew golden in the big three.
82:45I know Watson and read are though. Uh, so yeah, with that, I just want to take advantage of like possibly the
82:52first time both of these guys can just be projected for something close to a full-time route share week after week.
82:59Uh, I think Matthew golden is like, I, I don't know.
83:02I, this is a hundred percent like a player bias thing for me.
83:06I will be honest. I have not thought that much about Matthew golden this week.
83:11I couldn't tell you what his price is off the dome.
83:14I, yeah, maybe, maybe it is him. Maybe he's the one, uh, or one of the two guys that you want to
83:21stack up, but I'm just such a big Christian Watson guy, uh, such a big believer in the matchup for Jaden Reed,
83:28as I mentioned earlier, where he's been so much more efficient against the blitz.
83:33He has easily led the Packers and targets per outrun against two high looks.
83:37Uh, I, I just really prefer those two, uh, if I'm stacking the Packers.
83:41Okay. I think that's reasonable, uh, to just pick your favorites of the Packers wide receivers.
83:46And those two do, do seem like the safer bets of the Packers receivers.
83:51Um, I brought up earlier, Chris Godwin being a target of mine because I think DJ Turner is going to be shadowing Amika Agbuka.
83:58Uh, so then Godwin and already in the slot, we've seen Godwin just, just dominate also kind of love taking, uh, older
84:05players earlier in the season before they, you know, what, while they're still pretty fresh.
84:10So Godwin to me stands out as a target at 5,200 7% ownership.
84:14Do you have any interest there? I have a ton of interest.
84:17Uh, I think I said earlier that I originally wrote up Jalen McMillan for like similar reasons because DJ Turner is going to shadow Amika Ibuka.
84:26Uh, we're like very conservative with our shadow projections at fantasy points.
84:29I think it's a, I think individual wide receiver versus cornerback matchups are a little bit overrated around the industry.
84:36It's very rare that guys are actually getting shadowed.
84:38Uh, this is the one that we're projecting this week and it really matters.
84:43DJ Turner has been absolutely locked down. Uh, no wide receiver has exceeded.
84:47I want to say it was 12 DraftKings fantasy points.
84:50I get a wall lined up across from him at any point last season.
84:54Uh, no one over 45 receiving yards in his primary coverage.
84:58Uh, he played amazing. He's probably going to shadow Amika Ibuka.
85:01And even before all of that, uh, Chris Godwin coming into the year, I think was extremely underrated and people were way
85:08too quick to crown Ibuka as like the number one receiver in this offense.
85:12Godwin, uh, for those who don't remember was a top three fantasy wide receiver through the first like six games of 2024,
85:19uh, playing in that Liam Cohen offense, getting all of the screens, uh, just being a total fantasy superstar before he snapped
85:26his fibula, dislocated his ankle and that's an injury that we have seen players around the NFL be very slow to come
85:33back from, uh, or not slow to come back from.
85:36They come back pretty quickly usually, but they're much less effective for up to a year afterwards.
85:41We saw this with Tony Pollard a couple of years ago, uh, when he was finally the starter in Dallas, he was
85:48like a round two fantasy pick and people got very excited about him.
85:52And then he had like his least efficient season that he's ever had in the NFL, uh, coming off of a fibula injury.
86:00We saw it with Mark Andrews. Uh, there like, we have so many examples of this, of guys taking an extra year to get back from this injury.
86:08So I think Chris Godwin has been written off as old and washed.
86:12Uh, and I think that might, there's a very good chance that that's just wrong.
86:17Uh, that he is actually at least very close to a Buka in terms of the target pecking order in this offense.
86:24Uh, this matchup works perfectly for him in that the Bengals last year would funnel everything close to the line of scrimmage
86:31top three and receiving yards per game allowed in, uh, within 10 yards.
86:35Uh, that's very much going to be Chris Godwin.
86:38He, uh, led all Buccaneers wide receivers in target share within 10 yards of the line of scrimmage.
86:43Uh, their new offensive coordinator is Zach Robinson, who is like best friends with Liam Cohen, uh, him and Baker Mayfield and
86:50Godwin have all said that the offense is going to be like 50% the same as when, uh, Godwin was a fantasy
86:57wide receiver one getting all of that volume from Cohen.
87:00I love Godwin this week. I was ready to come on here and tout McMillan with like that same exuberance.
87:06But yeah, I, I really think the answer is just Chris Godwin as the bring back you want the cheap wide receiver you want.
87:14Uh, and yeah, for all the reasons you laid out as well, I think is a great play.
87:20Love it. So same, same page on Godwin. I think there are so many wide receivers that, uh, I don't think we
87:26should play the guessing game with, with wide receivers.
87:29I think it'd be better if we just, I'm just going to open it up to you early on here.
87:35Um, cause I Godwin and the Packers guys, those are really the receivers that I have a lot of interest in that
87:42I wanted to hear your opinions on, but there's a ton of, of wide receivers to consider on this slate.
87:49Who are some of your big targets that are not getting a ton of ownership?
87:53Yeah. So many guys that you can potentially make arguments for.
87:57I wrote up a lot of wide receivers in my advanced matchups piece that people can go read if they want every single one of them.
88:05Uh, all I'll give out one here that I am interested in your take on based on what you said about Daniel Jones earlier.
88:12Uh, Josh Downs is really interesting to me this week.
88:15Uh, I had him at, when I wrote this, I had him at 4% ownership.
88:20I don't know if that has since moved up.
88:23Uh, it, it should, but we get Josh Downs here where he over his career in games that he's been above a
88:3066% snap share has been just a top 10 wide receiver by targets per game, by fantasy points per game.
88:36He's one of the best target earners in the NFL.
88:39Uh, that hasn't always shown through because he was for so long locked into only three receiver sets in the Colts offense
88:46with Michael Pittman, with Alec Pierce, with Tyler Warren.
88:49Uh, they just played like less 11 personnel, less three receiver sets in general last year.
88:54It was just like a worst possible kind of scenario for him.
88:58But now we flip over into 2026. Michael Pittman is gone.
89:01Alec Pierce has barely practiced all summer, uh, rehabbing an ankle injury, our injury expert at fantasy points, Jeff Muller, who's like
89:08the best injury expert, uh, in the fantasy industry.
89:11In my opinion, I thought that even before we hired him always been a huge fan of his work.
89:17Uh, Jeff believes that Pierce's injury could really limit his explosiveness, especially early in the year.
89:22And we get downs up against this Ravens defense, uh, called by Jesse Minner, the former Chargers defensive coordinator, where the hallmark
89:28of his defense was a ton of two high looks and a ton of cover four.
89:33And those are just two of the best looks, two of the best shells for Josh Downs.
89:39Uh, over the last two seasons, there are only three wide receivers that have a higher target per out run rate against too high than downs.
89:47Their names are Aminra, St. Brown, Puka Nakua, and Drake London.
89:50I think downs at 5,200 could just be walking into a massive target share.
89:55Uh, we of course need Daniel Jones to be somewhat competent for this to work, but Hey, downs has done it with
90:02fricking Anthony Richardson with like wash Joe Flacco. We used to get so excited to play Josh downs with old Joe Flacco a couple of years back.
90:10Like I, I just think this could be a moment where people open their eyes to how good Josh downs actually is.
90:17Uh, week one's so fun like this because we're like, we bring our off season player takes so heavily into week one
90:24of DFS and we find out who's right. But yeah, I want to find out who's right.
90:29I want to find out that I'm right on Josh downs this week.
90:33I feel like this is the perfect encapsulation of why you are such a perfect replacement for Scott, because this is something
90:40you're asking me for my opinion on it, but you're, we're getting to micro matchup stuff.
90:45That is certainly not my bread and butter. This is not my strongest suit, but it clearly is something that you spend
90:52a ton of time digging through the stats, trying to find the best micro matchups and Josh downs.
90:57I mean the situation. So I I've kind of gone back and forth on it all off season with downs because like,
91:04yeah, like I thought he's clearly going to be in a great spot and then they signed Keenan Allen.
91:10I'm like, well, that's probably going to cut some of his, you know, slot usage, some of his underneath stuff a little bit.
91:17And then out Pierce comes back and I'm like, well, I don't know what that's going to do.
91:23Like it was, I don't know to what extent out, uh, out Pierce affects him, but it's certainly not a positive to add out Pierce to the room.
91:32Um, but I, but I think that you're right that it's just, you know, they, they lose Michael Pittman and downs should
91:39have more opportunities and yeah, if it's a strong micro matchup, uh, and also just looking at that player page, that's, it's
91:46so neat that that helps guys like me who are not historically great at looking at the, the micro matchups and figuring
91:52stuff out like this certainly helps to have, have the player page kind of show you that this could be a matchup,
91:59uh, that is exploitable for Josh downs. So I love that.
92:03Yeah. If he's going to be that, that's kind of that, you know, I love to exploit in DFS, even though I'm
92:10not the guy who's usually doing the deep research like this.
92:13I'm reading that kind of stuff from guys like you to find those places where it's like, okay, he's going to be
92:20under owned because it's not the best macro spot.
92:23I mean, the, the Ravens defense, pretty strong defense we think overall, so it doesn't stand out as a great macro spot,
92:30but then you can find the little micro edges.
92:32Um, and that's, that's really where Scott, you know, has shined historically.
92:36And, and I think that you're going to also.
92:39So yeah, I love the call out of Josh downs as somebody that I hadn't really thought about, but yeah, I'm in, I'm buying in for Josh downs.
92:48Who else you got? Ooh. Okay. Other than Josh downs there, there, there are like 10 wide receivers that I could make
92:55like a really full throated argument for that are going to be really low owned.
92:59Uh, so how about, why don't we talk about, why don't we talk about Nico Collins?
93:04This is kind of a, I'm we'll see how much I talk myself into this, uh, over, over the course of this conversation.
93:11Uh, I, I have been like really scared of Nico Collins historically, uh, or over like the last year or so, I
93:18should say, just because, uh, the, the Texans are total boomers.
93:22Uh, like they will not create like an offensive environment for Nico Collins to thrive, who every film guy says it is
93:29easily like a top eight wide receiver in the NFL.
93:32Some will probably go even higher than that. I'm not a film guy.
93:36I'm a numbers guy, but Collins is viewed as like this insanely special talent.
93:40That's just kind of rotting away on this, uh, on this team that has this elite defense, uh, that never is really forced to drop back a ton.
93:49Uh, but we come into this season, Jaden Higgins, uh, tears his ACL is not going to play this year.
93:55Uh, so very likely the Texans base set this year is going to be Nico Collins on one side, uh, either Xavier
94:02Hutchinson or K Sean booty on the other side, both of whom combined for like, below a 14% target per hour run in their career.
94:10These guys are like total cardboard cutout, like nothing target earners, right?
94:14Uh, Dalton Schultz, and then like a blocking tight end, maybe, maybe, uh, Marlon Klein, right?
94:19They're probably going to play a lot of 12 personnel, that heavy personnel cheat code I was talking about with lad McConkie.
94:25And we get into this week one matchup against the bills.
94:29This could be one of the only times the Texans are really pushed, uh, to actually have to drop back, right?
94:35If certainly if anybody can kind of crack this Texans defense, it would be Josh Allen.
94:40Uh, Nico in the five games that the Texans dropped back 40 or more times average, just under 20 draft Kings fantasy points per game.
94:48Uh, nobody is going to play him at least relative to the other guys at the top, the Jamar chases, the Amonara St.
94:55Browns, Chris Olavez, uh, and their new play caller, uh, Jim Leonard comes over from the Broncos, uh, per the athletic, the
95:02bills are just, he's just completely changing their defensive scheme.
95:05They're going from, I forget which it is a three, four to a four, three or vice versa.
95:11Uh, and we expect them to be more of like an aggressive blitz heavy defense.
95:16That's what the Broncos have done the last couple of years, top five in the NFL and blitz rate.
95:22Uh, and Nico Collins leads all wide receivers in yards per hour run against the blitz over his last 10 games over four yards per hour run.
95:30Uh, it's just very uncertain because we really don't know what this bills defense is going to look like.
95:36Uh, we, we don't know what this Texans offense is going to look like.
95:40Frankly, it's like a huge, like uncertainty play, but Collins is like such an amazing player that I like haven't been able
95:47to get my mind kind of off of this.
95:50I don't know how he like fits into builds, uh, or anything like that.
95:54Just like with where he's priced up. But yeah, I just thought like something worth mentioning.
95:59Well, what was the ownership on Nico Collins? Cause that's obviously a big, a big factor.
96:04Drake, can you put that back on the screen?
96:079%? Okay. Yeah. I'm showing 9%. All right. That seems, that seems reasonable to me.
96:12I guess I, I, um, there's one where there is kind of a wide range of outcomes to me, but yeah, I
96:19don't, I don't hate the idea of playing some Nico Collins at 9%.
96:23Uh, that's an interesting one. Any other wide receivers that you feel, uh, feel the need to call out cause you have
96:30special interest in them before we move on. I think that's good.
96:33I think we can move on to tight ends.
96:36All right. Yeah. Let's, let's move on to tight ends and a interesting, uh, chalk that has just arisen, uh, since surprise
96:43surgery for Brock Bowers, uh, two days ago or whatever it was when we suddenly have, uh, the meniscus getting trimmed on
96:50Brock Bowers and Michael Mayer stepping in at 2,900 great matchup with Miami, 21% projected ownership.
96:55So it all starts there. What are we doing with Michael Mayer?
96:59Are you just eating the chalk or is this a fade spot for you?
97:03You tell, you tell me Neil, because like from my perspective, just breaking down this play, looking at the point per dollar
97:10projection, which is just absurdly in favor of Michael Mayer here, 3.9 points per dollar.
97:15Uh, and looking at Mayer's history without Brock Bowers, he's been, uh, averaging right around 10 DraftKings fantasy points per game, uh,
97:22in, I think it was four games without Bowers last year over the last two years in games when he's been over
97:28two thirds of the routes, uh, basically the same average, uh, has been tied or ahead of Trey Tucker for the target
97:35lead in five out of seven games that he's played that much.
97:39Uh, I, I like don't see a way to like get around Michael Mayer this week.
97:44Uh, it's, I know it's supposed to be outside the box, but I'm just, I'm just very inside the box with Michael Mayer this week.
97:52I don't kind of don't know. Yeah. What, what to say or how to, to get around it other than like, LOL,
97:59you should always fade the chalk tight end, the chalk tight end never works.
98:03But I, I like on a slate where we've talked about all these high price guys that we want to play.
98:10I feel like Mayer's like very, uh, is just very needed to kind of get to some of these more fun plays.
98:16And he has upside in and of himself. Like I, I was just saying 10 DraftKings fantasy points per game, but that,
98:23that could be way more if this offense is actually competent, which it hasn't been over the amount of time that that sample, uh, was collected.
98:31Uh, if like, if Kubiak makes this operation at anything, even like just not bottom one, then that that's like an amazing play to me.
98:39Yeah. I mean, Michael Mayer, I think is just good chalk, especially at 21%.
98:44If he, if he were 40%, you know, then I'd say, all right, we're fading that we're, we're going to just play
98:51the field and just assume that he's going to be going to miss or, you know, put up under 10 points.
98:57Cause like there, there are ways that he could be fine.
99:01Like, like you said, 10 fantasy points that still, there is, there is opportunity costs with a, with a tight end.
99:07It puts up 10 fantasy points, even at 2900, there's only two spots that you can play him.
99:13And there are, there's a potential that you have a bunch of running backs going off.
99:18So that takes out the flex and then just, you just need one other tight end to crush.
99:23And suddenly you're, you're wishing that you didn't have him.
99:26So it can miss, but a 21%, like, I think that's a pretty good bet to make.
99:32Um, I could also tell you a story of, of just last year.
99:36I was a Michael Mayer was, was chalk on a slate without Brock Bowers.
99:40And I had a co-host on, on a show who convinced me that I should be playing some, uh, was it Elijah
99:47Higgins backup tight end for the Arizona Cardinals. And, uh, and so I, I split my, I split my tight end, my
99:54min price tight end exploded between Michael Mayer and Elijah Higgins.
99:57And it cost me $50,000 on that slate. I'm not going to name who that co-host was who convinced me to play
100:04Elijah Higgins, but that, that is the danger of fading a good chalk play like, like Michael Mayer, uh, jokes aside that my, my own decision.
100:12I don't, I don't play my co-host. He just made a very convincing argument and I thought it was a good one.
100:19The Cardinals just for, for some reason went from playing all the Elijah Higgins to just kind of benching him, uh, as,
100:26as going back to the status quo. So no idea what happened there, but yeah, Michael Mayer, good, good play.
100:32Um, I'm with you on it. Um, I want to say, I remember that Elijah Higgins debacle.
100:38Uh, I, I used to listen to outside the box, like when, when I was in my car driving around on Saturdays
100:44and I, I like, I, I like almost hit somebody when I, I was so shocked to hear Elijah Higgins come out of Scott's mouth.
100:52I, I usually like think I know what Scott is going to say on shows just cause like we interface so much
100:59during the week, but that, that one took me so by surprise that, yeah, I, I like vividly remember that.
101:05But it was like, he had run like 70% of the routes or something the week before.
101:11And then it was like, I forget what the reasoning was, but like, it really made sense to me.
101:17Like, I was like, you're making a really good point right now.
101:20Uh, and then it just, just went away for like out of nowhere.
101:24Just, yeah, he was not even involved at all.
101:27Um, there, there are some other interests. I mean, I think Jawan Johnson with, with Jordan Tyson out, Jawan Johnson like was pretty involved last year.
101:35He's getting 11% ownership. Don't hate that Sam Laporta.
101:38I don't know what to make of it. Cause he was, he was injured and it was looking like potential that he
101:45would miss week one, but sounds like he's back.
101:48Um, and then Tyler Warren, did you have, what's your level of interest in, uh, you know, these other tight ends over 10%.
101:55Uh, probably the most interest in Laporta, uh, coming into the year.
101:59He was one of my big, uh, like redraft flag plants, uh, to the extent that I was telling people to draft
102:06tight ends in like the top six. Uh, Laporta was the one I was kind of interested in, in like the middle rounds.
102:13Uh, he's interesting just because Drew Petsing is the new offensive coordinator for the lions.
102:18He's the one that really got the most out of Trey McBride.
102:21Of course, last year, uh, the stat I had coming into the season was that Laporta averaged around 15 DraftKings fantasy points per game.
102:29Uh, just in games, he was above a 70% route share, which Trey McBride had hit, had hit for like 28 straight games under Petsing.
102:37Uh, I do think it could be like a more tight end focused offense.
102:41It is like a very good game environment. Uh, so I, I don't know if like him and Jamison Williams, I think are both like good plays.
102:49Um, but, but yeah, maybe not if he's like the second most popular tight end, but I, yeah, of those three Laportas
102:56who I will probably have the most of. All right.
102:59And then let's, let's just open it up to, I mean, there's, there's a lot of tight ends that you can, you
103:06can kind of make a case for on this slate.
103:09I'm kind of interested in like Colston Loveland at 9%.
103:12Um, uh, obviously you can always play Trey McBride.
103:15I don't know if you like him as, as a bring back, uh, but I'm just going to open it up to you.
103:22Who are the tight ends that stand out to you as favorites on this slate?
103:27Uh, I talked about Goddard earlier. Uh, I do like Colston Loveland, uh, big Colston Loveland fan.
103:32I think his schematic matchup is really strong. We have seen Ben Johnson really attack cover three via the tight end, uh, through all of last season.
103:41He did it with Cole commit. He did it with Colston Loveland.
103:45If you just look at their splits versus cover three, both of them are awesome.
103:49Of course, Loveland is the one that kind of took over the pass catching role at the end of the season.
103:56Uh, when the bears like radically shifted their offense to more multi tight end sets, I expect pretty much the same thing with DJ Morgan.
104:04I think Loveland is very likely to lead the bears in all receiving categories this year.
104:09Uh, so I, yeah, I think at 9% he's intriguing.
104:12Uh, I guess like the most like super off the wall place that I would go to is Dalton Kincaid.
104:18Uh, and I, I feel insane for this a little bit.
104:22Like, will I actually, when it comes down to it on Sunday, am I going to put Dalton Kincaid into my lineups?
104:28We'll find out, but I'm definitely thinking about it.
104:31Uh, he has been like one of the most misdiagnosed like players in fantasy football, I think just cause there's this weird
104:38ambiguity where Kincaid, when he plays or I should say when he's on the field is the most efficient tight end in
104:45the NFL on a per out basis by far over three yards per out run last year.
104:50It was like 40% better than George Kittle, who was the next closest, right?
104:55Uh, in games that he, uh, played just a 45% route share, which is like an insanely low bar.
105:01Like every starting tight end should hit that for the nine games.
105:04He did that last year. He exceeded 17 draft Kings fantasy points, uh, including one or two games in the playoffs, right?
105:11It's just really interesting because Kincaid for like a bunch of like nerdy football guy reasons.
105:16Uh, there are people that will tell you he shouldn't be on the field that much or running that many routes.
105:23Shout out Max Toscano. Uh, you can be like very Toscano pilled on this in that, uh, because Kincaid is only a pass catcher.
105:30Uh, it's just better to have Khalil Shakir on the field.
105:34And that's why Kincaid doesn't play as much. But if you look like through all of the bills coaching, like all of
105:40their comments throughout the off season, it sounds like they really want Dalton Kincaid on the field and he's just been injured, uh, throughout all of last season.
105:49Uh, and he's not on the injury report this week, which is a rarity, right?
105:54Uh, when I, when Kincaid is not on the injury report, he has been a top five tight end, uh, or he's
106:01at least been up at like a 60% route share.
106:04Right. So I just kind of wonder if this is one that everyone massively overthought this off season, everybody's super overlooked Dalton
106:11Kincaid and we come out in week one, he is the healthiest he's been.
106:15He's going to be all season probably. Uh, and, and he, yeah, like hangs a really big draft King score on all our heads.
106:23So he, he's someone that I've not been able to stop thinking about.
106:27Like he doesn't project well whatsoever because yeah, for projections, you have to be a little more conservative toward, uh, like what,
106:34what has happened most recently in terms of playing time, in terms of efficiency, all that.
106:39But yeah, I wonder if he's just like a, an, an efficiency math breaker, uh, that we're all sleeping on.
106:45I actually liked the shout out of Dalton Kincaid.
106:48Yeah. I I'm with you on like, he's probably like more talented than we give him credit for.
106:53And, and much like, you know, we talk, I talked about Chris, Chris Godwin wanting to play the olds while they're still fresh.
107:00I mean, same thing kind of applies to young man, Dalton Kincaid of like, he's, he's healthy like this kind of the same thing applies.
107:08Like this is the time to play him when he is fully healthy, obviously not the best matchup.
107:14Like you, and anybody against Houston, it's, it's a tough bet.
107:17But like you said, with, with Josh Allen, like if anybody can hang points on them, it's, it's the, the bills and
107:24Kincaid as likely as anybody, I think to, to score touchdowns.
107:28Um, so yeah, I like the shout out of Dalton Kincaid at 2% ownership.
107:32Um, let me, so you, I know you're not on the Kohler express with me.
107:37I'm very sad about that, but, uh, did you have any interest in any chargers tight end?
107:42I don't think so. I think I, if I, if you told me, Ryan, close your eyes, are you going to play
107:49a chargers tight end on draft Kings at any point this year?
107:53My guess is it will be a Rondae Gadsden at some point.
107:56I just don't know what the roles are going to be like.
108:00Kohler just has not been a pass catching tight end at the NFL level whatsoever.
108:05Uh, this, I don't know. He's like, I think people are very excited that he's like the starting tight end for the chargers.
108:12Like I understand that, but the, I guess like the, the beat reports or like the information out of chargers camp that
108:19I've been consuming has been more like, yeah, he like he'll play, but I don't know that he's going to be that
108:26involved in the passing game, uh, is where I'm at.
108:29So probably no Kohler for me. Yeah. I mean, it was pretty mixed in what I read.
108:34Um, I, I of course have also heard the counterpoint of he was a pretty good pass catcher in college.
108:40Like he had a pretty good, uh, profile coming into the NFL as a potential pass catcher.
108:46And to me, the reason that I sort of have bought in on Kohler is not, not only is he playing all
108:53the time, but they have targeted him actually pretty early.
108:56And like, you know, they, they just run, you know, one drive with starting offense and he's seen a target on, on that first drive.
109:03So to me, like I have read the beat reporters saying like, no, I'm not really expecting it to be much, but
109:10I kind of wonder if that's more also just like hanging onto priors of like, well, he's never really been a pass
109:17catcher at the NFL level and more so that, but maybe, maybe I need to give the beat, the beat reporters more
109:24credit for what they're seeing in practice. Um, Oh, you shouldn't give the beat reporters any credit.
109:29Honestly, this, I, I don't need to do this whole rant, but yeah, beat, beat reporters.
109:34Uh, I, all of the people in the industry that are beat reporters that I, that I'm friends with that Scott is friends with.
109:42I love you. You're amazing. Uh, but in terms of, should you like let beat reporting in general, especially the stories that
109:49go viral affect your fantasy football decisions? Probably not.
109:52Yeah. So I, I, I might play a little bit of Charlie Kohler.
109:56I'd probably be in, in stacks with, with Herbert.
109:58If I do play him, any other tight ends you want to talk about?
110:03Uh, I don't think so. I think, I think we should just, or yeah, unless you want to talk about defenses, I,
110:10which I will have nothing to add on. We should just build, we should build a lineup and get out of here.
110:17Yeah, let's do it. Let's do, let's build a lineup.
110:20Um, so the way we usually do this is go back and forth.
110:24You, you build out the core. So, uh, you start with what core do you want?
110:29Who do you want to be at quarterback? Who do you want the stack to be?
110:34Okay. Let's do, let me just pull up quarterbacks here.
110:37Um, I, I want to build, I want to, I want to build a Jordan love team for sure.
110:43So maybe let's start with him. That sounds easy.
110:46Yeah. And I already know who your stack is with Jordan love because we've, we've talked about it as Christian Watson and Jaden Reed.
110:53Yeah, that's right. Um, all right. So now it's my turn.
110:56So this is you, you build out the stack and then I get to, to figure out how to add on here.
111:03I, man, I want to, I want to play a Vikings player as a bring back, but I actually don't feel that
111:10strongly that I love any Vikings on this slate.
111:13I feel like this is a cheap enough stack that we both like Omar and Hampton.
111:18I'm just going to throw Hampton into the lineup and I'll throw it back to you.
111:23Yeah. I like that. Um, I agree. I don't know that we necessarily need a bring back back.
111:29Uh, if I, if I were to, yeah, I don't, I I'm indifferent on Jefferson Addison.
111:34If you're doing that, I guess, but, uh, why don't we, I mean, we're pretty outside the box on the stack.
111:40So why, why don't we just like put Gibbs in the lineup and, and get that over with?
111:46Yeah, that's exactly how I was leaning to. We could throw in Gibbs.
111:50We could throw in Michael Mayer too. I think like it's contrarian enough.
111:54Maybe, maybe I'll, I guess it's my turn. So I'll just do that also.
111:58I think it makes sense to just, just build out the, uh, the chalk with the contrarian stack.
112:04And now we still have a fair amount of money left 52, 66 left per player.
112:09And that includes a defense. Um, so we're, we're doing okay.
112:12Money wise, who else do you want to throw in here?
112:16Should we pay up at running back in the flex is kind of my inclination.
112:20Um, we could do Ashton or, I mean, we could do Gentie mayor.
112:25I don't think that's wrong necessarily. Um, we could do, uh, Jonathan Taylor might be a little expensive, but let's do, let's
112:31put Gentie in and see what we think of it.
112:35Are you, are you like a against going Gentie plus mayor?
112:38No, not at all. I think they work well together.
112:41Um, it is, I feel like this is not my favorite slate for finding defenses, but I think with Gentie, I almost
112:48want to throw the Vegas defense in there because they're relatively inexpensive.
112:52Also not a defense that I, that I really believe in.
112:55And also we're probably not going to get a ton of drop back.
112:59So maybe I don't know that I love that.
113:02How much does the charges defense cost? 3,500. I mean, Detroit defense is kind of interesting from a like golf is, uh, is chalky perspective.
113:10Hmm. So we could consider, um, I'm just, just trying to think if there is any, any angles that I like from a defense.
113:17I mean, Pittsburgh, Pittsburgh actually makes a ton of sense.
113:20I'm guessing they're going to end up pretty chalky.
113:23Well, let's see what we could do if we throw in Pittsburgh and then, uh, and then we can adjust if, uh,
113:30if we need to get a little bit more money.
113:33Cause we are, we're a thousand dollars short of JMO now.
113:37So we could go a little bit cheaper and get JMO in there.
113:41Uh, we do have your guy, lad McConkey. Yeah.
113:44I don't mind that, uh, scroll, scroll like up a little bit for me.
113:48Just show me like the 6k range. See if there's anything worth paying down at defense for, um, yeah.
113:54So there's the JMO for just, if we get a hundred dollars, uh, Nico Collins, we would need 1100 less, which we,
114:01I guess that is, I think there are $2,200 defense, but that's kind of the top range of what we could theoretically do.
114:08Yeah. I feel like, I feel like we either get the hundred for JMO or we pay down and go like crystal lava, but let's see for 3,200.
114:17I mean, we'll get the Eagles. Uh, the, the lions is there.
114:20If we want to try, uh, lions with Gibbs against golf, I don't hate that, but then we also have JMO.
114:27So we'd have, yeah, I don't know if I want all of them.
114:31Yeah. Yeah. Playing lions defense. I mean, we could do, we could do bills against Houston.
114:36I don't hate that. Yeah. Yeah. That's, that seems fine.
114:39Go JMO. I don't think either Russ pretends to be like the defensive whisperers.
114:43Like no, not, not at all. Like that seems their bills against CJ Stroud seems, seems reasonable.
114:49So there we have a hundred dollars left over Jordan love with Christian Watson and Jaden Reed.
114:54No bring back from the Vikings. We also have Omari and Hampton, Jameer Gibbs, Jamison Williams, Michael Mayer, Ashton Gentty, and the bears defense.
115:02We'll lock that in. That's built bills defense. Yeah.
115:04Yeah. All right. Let's do, uh, one more. Um, so we did, we did a Jordan love lineup.
115:10Now I'll choose the stack and then, uh, throw it back to you.
115:14So we did Jordan love who else would I like here?
115:18Uh, let's do, let's do Joe burrow. I feel like that's another, I'm glad you picked him because I almost picked him
115:24first and I was like, I'll pick love just in case Neil doesn't pick him.
115:29So these were the two I wanted to build with.
115:32So perfect. Yeah. All right. Nice. Nice. All right.
115:35So we got, we got our two stacks, uh, Joe burrow with Jamar chase.
115:39Uh, then I will, I, I think it's, uh, I'll, I'll just include Chris Godwin cause I think we're both going to go there.
115:47Uh, and then I'll throw it to you. Uh, I mean, I think you should always double burrow, uh, in my mind,
115:54at least, uh, it's genuinely tough between chase Brown and T Higgins for me.
115:58Uh, what, what's the price difference on that is, uh, Higgins is like slightly cheaper, right?
116:03Yeah. Higgins, I think let's see Higgins is yeah.
116:066,300 at chase Brown 7,100. Let's, let's just make it burrow chase Higgins, throw that in for now and see, see what we can do.
116:14Okay. This one, obviously we're going to struggle a little bit more with the pricing.
116:18Um, so I'm not sure if we'll be able to fit, uh, you know, the, the running backs that we want to,
116:25we can probably get one of Gibbs or gente, I would guess, um, or, or Hampton maybe two of those three potentially, but probably not all three.
116:34Were there any cheap running backs that we, that you really liked?
116:37I mean, we talked about doubt all potentially, but that was more like I gave you the option.
116:43We could do Lloyd. Yeah. Doubt or Lloyd. I, you can, you can pick honestly.
116:48That's too Lloyd a little bit cheaper. Um, I would say, I think you, I want to say like, you have to
116:55play mayor, but I feel like that's going to be every Joe burrow team is just going to instantly go, go to mayor.
117:02So should we try to get different off of that?
117:05Or am I overthinking in a lineup where we have Marshawn Lloyd and Chris Godwin in it already?
117:11Right. I mean, we've got Lloyd at 4%. We've got Godwin at, I want to say like 6% and burrow is only like 7% owned too.
117:19Um, which yeah, I think you're right. That may like a lot of those burrow lineups will have overlap with mayor.
117:25Let's, uh, let's do, let's do it for now and we can adjust later because he is just, I think pretty clearly the best.
117:33Yeah. Um, and then defense, should we just throw in one of these cheaper defenses?
117:37I don't know if you have any that you particularly like, uh, I think, yeah, I'd be either.
117:43Yeah. I'd, I'd probably just be jets. Honestly. Yeah.
117:46Let's, let's lock that in. I'm guessing that's a church like the pay down defense.
117:51Everyone takes this week too, but I, I don't know, but that would, yeah, I think, I think you're probably right about that.
117:58I think they make some sense. Uh, but now we, we do have 6,800.
118:02I mean, 6,800 now we could play both of gente and Hampton if we wanted to, uh, what can we do if we play Gibbs?
118:10Where does that leave us in the flex? I guess that's just the, yeah, question point 5,600.
118:15Uh, so that could be Parker Washington. Um, Luther burdens at 5,500.
118:19Jared, not, not a lot of players that we talked about.
118:22I think Parker Washington, we skipped, we skipped over a few wide receivers that I like, but any, anyone that's been following
118:29fantasy points content all off season probably understood can probably guess my feelings on Parker Washington.
118:34So I, yeah, I like that. I do. Do you prefer Gibbs Washington to gente Hampton?
118:39Uh, it's close. I mean, I, I do like Parker Washington too.
118:43Um, did you, uh, I think I actually heard Jacob talk about the, the talking point of like potentially Denzel Ward is
118:50going to be on BTJ and that's going to open up, you know, Parker Washington in this matchup.
118:55And, and I'm, I'm with you. I also think Parker Washington could be a really strong play, uh, this, this season overall,
119:02and this could be a strong matchup. So yeah, I don't, I kind of like that.
119:07I think this kind of works. Yeah. I, I think this is a great lineup.
119:12I'm great. Trey thinks we should have played the Kohler express by the way, but, uh, that would be the pivot from mayor.
119:19That's good. It's a good point from Trey, but no, we'll, we'll, we'll roll this one.
119:24Something that we're all happy with. It'll like in future shows, I'm going to force Ryan to play the uncomfortable place.
119:31He doesn't want to play the way I always did with Scott, but on our first show, I'll be, I'll be more,
119:38uh, you know, understanding and then play players that we both like, but I do.
119:42I actually really like this line of Joe Burrell with Jamar chase and T Higgins with a Chris Godwin bring back Marshawn
119:49Lloyd, Jamir Gibbs, uh, Michael mayor eating the chop there, but then Parker Washington at the flex and jets defense.
119:55I think it's strong. I think it's another good lineup.
119:59Yeah. There you go a lot. There's our, there's our two lineups and there's our first outside the box, uh, with Ryan replacing Scott.
120:06I really enjoyed doing the show with you, Ryan.
120:09Um, but I don't know if you, you probably have some, some different content coming out, uh, you know, then, then Scott does.
120:16So what, uh, tell me, tell me what you have.
120:19Do you have more stuff coming out the rest of the weekend at fantasy points?
120:24Uh, not the rest of the weekend for me, for me, I like log off until Sunday morning at this point, but
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