0:00This is Outside The Box for Week 2 of the NFL season where I and Ryan Heath are going to be breaking down the DraftKings slate for tournaments.
0:09We're going to be looking at some of the chalkier players briefly and then trying to find some players that are outside the box to play in tournaments.
0:18We'll be going position by position starting with quarterbacks and running backs, receivers, tight ends.
0:23At the end, we will build some lineups as well, but of course, as usual, we're going to start with quarterbacks.
0:30Ryan, it's always interesting in Week 2 to see kind of how people are reacting to Week 1 because you'll get some
0:37overreactions, but you also do learn a fair amount of new information at the start of the season because Week 1, I
0:44mean, a lot of things happened that maybe we weren't expecting.
0:47So this is always kind of a fun week where I feel like there is a lot of edge.
0:53Has not been my most successful week typically historically, so hopefully we can break that front.
0:58And I do think that there is a lot of edge to be had here.
1:03Have you had success in Week 2 in the past?
1:07And do you think you found some edges for us today?
1:10Great way for us to start off the show, I just want to say, because I feel similarly to you in that
1:17usually going into Week 2, I feel very good and very confident.
1:21And like I've learned so much and I have so many really sharp and strong angles that the field isn't seeing.
1:28And I feel that way this week. But yeah, historically Week 2 has been probably one of my worst weeks in playing
1:35DFS because the confidence that we can get lulled into with only one week of data is so alluring.
1:41It's just very hard to remain humble to understand this is a one-game sample size.
1:46It feels like really big because it's the only sample we have.
1:50But yeah, we should definitely keep that in mind, I guess, throughout the show is like what we thought coming into the
1:57season is still more predictive than one week of data.
2:00This is a DFS show, but talking in terms of redraft, preseason ADP is more predictive than fantasy points per game in
2:07the new season until we get to Week 4 or Week 5.
2:11So I do think that is something to keep in mind as you're building your lineups this week.
2:17And as you're evaluating different plays, it's very easy to get suckered in by a one-game sample, particularly for passing games and
2:24wide receivers, I would say, is where it's probably most dangerous.
2:27I don't know. I saw Josh Palmer score a long touchdown in Week 1.
2:32He came in at 20% ownership on the showdown slate and immediately scored another long touchdown in Week 2.
2:38So I'm expecting Khalif Raymond to lead the Bears in first read targets every week this year because that's what we've seen so far.
2:45Yeah, no, I don't think that we can necessarily, like, we haven't necessarily been overconfident.
2:50You know, it might not be a mistake, the fact that we're losing in Week 2.
2:55It's a tough game when we play. We're playing tournaments, so you might have played excellently in the past and we just haven't gotten there.
3:03And this will be the first year that we actually do crush in Week 2.
3:08Let's hope that we do it for viewers of Outside the Box.
3:12Like last week, speaking of crushers, Scott Barrett last week.
3:15If you do miss Scott Barrett, I wanted to remind people that you can catch him on the Sunday morning show.
3:22Still, if you are a subscriber, two fantasy points.
3:25That is a Discord-only show Sunday mornings that Scott Barrett does with Johnny Proctor.
3:29And it came to mind because Scott, you know, wanted to remind me that his lineup outscored the lineup that we built last week.
3:37The lineup they built on that show put up 200 points.
3:41You and I do it. We built two lineups.
3:44One of them did cash. Our Jordan Love lineup cashed largely because of Love and Christian Watson, I'm sure.
3:50But yeah, they had success in their first week.
3:53So I wanted to remind people, if you want to still catch Scott on some DFS videos, make sure you check out
4:00that one in the Discord on Sunday morning with Johnny Proctor.
4:03But Ryan, let's get into this late. Let's start talking some quarterbacks.
4:07And as usual, we will start by talking about some of the chalkier pieces.
4:12And again, it's all relative. We don't have any mega chalk on this late.
4:16But we do have these top two kind of stand out from an ownership standpoint.
4:21Dak Prescott at 11%. Brock Purdy at 9%. You can just give your thoughts briefly.
4:26Are either of these a mega smash for you or a mega fade at these ownership numbers?
4:31I wouldn't say he's a mega fade, but definitely comparing the two of them, Brock Purdy is a lot more appealing to
4:38me than Dak Prescott in this spot. I think Dak has this kind of reputation as a quarterback you really want to play in DFS.
4:46He's so easy to stack. It's him, CD Pickens.
4:49It's just very easy to get there when this game has the highest total on the slate, a 50 point over under.
4:56I completely understand why people are gravitating to Dak this week.
5:00And I don't think it's necessarily wrong, but if we're poking holes in the chalk, going back to the start of last
5:07year, Dak only averages 20.2 DraftKings points per game in these games with at least a 50 point over under.
5:13He's only gone over 25 DK in one of seven games over that span.
5:18I do think there's an angle here where maybe the ceiling is being overestimated a little bit by people for Dak.
5:24Historically, I think it's been better to play these Cowboys shootouts through the other team, which maybe we'll get to with the commanders.
5:32But yeah, while like Dak Pickens, CD Stacks are fine.
5:35I much prefer the Brock Purdy angle here. He has just been amazing over averages over 25 DraftKings points per game.
5:42Over his last five since 2024, he trails only Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen in fantasy points per opportunity, leads all QBs in fantasy points per drop back.
5:51It is a massive spread, but we have seen Purdy blow up in some of these spots that I think he's just
5:58clearly one of the best plays on the slate.
6:01I think the ownership is right. If anything, I would flip him and Dak in my ownership rankings where I'm grading how
6:08good the plays are relative to ownership. Give me Purdy for sure.
6:12Yeah, Purdy jumped out to me immediately looking at the slate.
6:15They just have such a high total. A lot of fun ways to stack up, which we'll get to the how we're
6:22stacking Purdy later on once we get to some other positions.
6:26But he does. He looks like a pretty strong play even at 9% ownership.
6:30Moving down the list, we have a couple more interesting names right at the top.
6:35I guess let's get into the game of me guessing who you are going to be wanting to play this weekend.
6:42I should theoretically have a leg up in this game because I watched your first look show with Jake Trivey.
6:48But I've completely forgotten. That was on what, Tuesday?
6:51I've completely forgotten everything that you guys said on that show.
6:55Now I've had several days to think about Thursday night football, getting to the slate.
7:00Now I'm trying to remember who you talked about, and I just can't remember who you guys wanted to play.
7:06But you did just kind of give me a hint.
7:09And I think that the next two names on this list, I'm guessing at least one of them is going to be there.
7:17Because you just said you might have interest in Jaden Daniels, the opponent against that Dallas team.
7:22And then Jordan Love was a player that you and I were both really into last week because we think that they
7:29might pass the ball more this year. It might be more condensed, especially with Josh Jacobs.
7:34While Josh Jacobs is out. And now another pretty good matchup with the Jets.
7:39I don't know, at least a fine matchup with the Jets.
7:42So I think these two are kind of interesting names right off the top.
7:47Do you have any particular interest in Jaden Daniels or Jordan Love?
7:51I wouldn't say either are at the top of my list.
7:54But if I were playing like a 150 set, I would certainly have both of them in it.
8:00Jaden Daniels is intriguing because the Cowboys, just since the start of last season, are a top five quarterback matchup.
8:06Jake Trivey had a nice note on cashing points yesterday where the Cowboys have also been the defense that's allowed the most rushing to quarterbacks over that span.
8:15So I do think the rushing for Daniels could be good.
8:19It is nice and condensed and we can we'll get to the receivers.
8:23But I think the stack is pretty compelling as well.
8:26Love, I like. I think I don't like him.
8:29He doesn't make my heart sing quite as much as a few other QBs on this slate.
8:35I think it's a really good QB slate, to be clear.
8:38Love is a totally fine play. It's a similar thesis.
8:41I don't know that we see the Jets manage to push the Packers quite as much.
8:47But hey, it was the fourth best pass rate over expectation that the Packers have posted since Josh Jacobs joined the team.
8:54That makes a ton of sense because their running backs were completely ineffective in week one.
8:59Marshawn Lloyd had the worst rush yards over expectation per carry of any running back on the week.
9:05We saw the passing game consolidate to Christian Watson, Matthew Golden as the two receivers playing in the two receiver sets.
9:11So the stack is super easy with those two.
9:14So I do think Love is interesting as well.
9:17But yeah, probably not like a top five play on the slate for me.
9:22All right. Let me try to find a top five play on the slate for Ryan.
9:27I'm going to go with Carson Wentz just because of the price tag and the matchup.
9:32I mean, just what we saw last week from this Bears defense seems kind of promising.
9:37If Bryce Young can hang 39 points on a defense, hopefully Carson Wentz can also.
9:42Am I right that Carson Wentz is in your top five?
9:45Yes, I think Carson Wentz is clearly the best cheap quarterback on the slate.
9:50I think he's one of my top five quarterbacks overall for tournaments on the slate this week.
9:554,600 is just insane relative to the output we've seen from him when he's played under Kevin O'Connell.
10:01One thing that I think a lot of people have memory hold because it happened in the middle of the season last
10:08year and the Vikings other quarterbacks kind of like stole the narrative.
10:12Wentz was playing through a torn labrum and a dislocated shoulder for three games in 2025.
10:17He did not perform very well in any of those games.
10:21So I think a lot of the projections around the industry are maybe a little bit weighting that in more than I would argue makes sense.
10:29In three games that Wentz has played under Kevin O'Connell for the Vikings where he wasn't playing with a dislocated shoulder and a torn labrum.
10:3719.2, 26.2 and 15.3 draft Kings points. That's an awesome value.
10:41That's an awesome upside outcome for a QB that's this cheap.
10:44The stack is extremely easy. You just play Justin Jefferson.
10:47He averages close to 20 draft Kings points per game in games with Carson Wentz.
10:52It's up against a Bears defense that just got absolutely shredded by Bryce Young, which is never a particularly good sign for
10:59how your secondary is going to perform this season.
11:02But they even dating back to last season, the Bears have been one of the worst defenses against the deep ball.
11:09And Jefferson averages 1.7 deep targets per game, 20 or more yards downfield in these games with Wentz.
11:15That's the sixth most of any wide receiver on the slate.
11:18So I do think there is slate wrecking upside specifically from the Wentz plus Jefferson stack.
11:23I don't mind. Jake Tribby had a nice take on caching points, I thought, in terms of TJ Hawkinson as an interesting double stack option there.
11:32I think you could go there as well. So yeah, Wentz I feel really great about this week.
11:38Yeah, Wentz definitely one of the top on my list.
11:41I'm really surprised by the projected ownership that I see here at Fantasy Point and around the industry.
11:47I thought that for sure Wentz is going to be mega chalky.
11:50And maybe you're right. Maybe it's because he's being kind of under projected some places due to the injury last year affecting how he did in those games.
11:59But yeah, Wentz to me is just a smash.
12:02Until we learn that this Bears defense is not going to give up a ton of 30 plus points a game, I
12:09think we have to consider, especially when you get a competent quarterback with awesome pass catchers at 4,600.
12:15I mean, yeah, it just feels like an absolute smash to me.
12:19Another one, a quarterback that I want your thoughts on because I'm like sort of intrigued by it, but not totally sold.
12:26And I want to hear if you think that I'm totally nuts.
12:30But Baker Mayfield to me is pretty interesting in a revenge spot here against the Browns.
12:35The Browns were just awful last week against Trevor Lawrence and the Jaguars in terms of like EPA per pass attempt allowed.
12:42I believe it was the best possible matchup. I think they gave up like the second most looking at the data suite
12:49second most fantasy points per drop back to quarterbacks.
12:52Maybe that was a Jaguars thing. So I might not be that the Browns defense was as bad as they looked last week.
12:59But, you know, Baker strikes me as having a little bit of vengeance in his heart.
13:05Did you have any interest in Baker Mayfield this week?
13:08I he wasn't one of my like top quarterbacks that I had in my head, but you make a decent case.
13:15I think my main pushback would be as you just alluded to.
13:18I think maybe we should be carrying that stat more over in terms of the Jaguars passing game as a hint for another guy.
13:26I really want to play. But no, Baker makes sense to me.
13:30And the Buccaneers overall as a team, I think, are one of the best by low sort of offenses after week one.
13:37They had a minus three turnover margin, a couple of dumb turnovers from Baker Mayfield, which is what we get occasionally from him.
13:44But that meant that they finished bottom six in total plays run.
13:48And that is just probably not going to be the case this week where they're massive favorites against the Browns.
13:55The offense, aside from the turnovers, was pretty exciting.
13:58We'll get into it when we talk about some running backs and wide receivers.
14:02But yeah, I think just from an overall like offensive environment regression standpoint, Baker makes a little bit of sense.
14:09But yeah, again, not one of my favorites. All right.
14:12You gave me a hint, so I'm just going to go there next.
14:16Trevor Lawrence, sounds like you're pretty interested in just playing the Jaguars, playing the hits.
14:21I think I'll have a good idea of who you want to play at wide receiver also if you're into Trevor Lawrence.
14:28So let's start there. Do you think he's – is Trevor Lawrence just for real at this point?
14:34Do you like the matchup? What do you like about Trevor Lawrence this week?
14:38I like basically everything about him. Yeah, I have a hard time arguing why you shouldn't play him.
14:44I think people are being scared off by the Broncos at home, which is understandable.
14:49But Lawrence hung like 30 DraftKings points on the Broncos in week 16 last year, which I'm not sure people remember.
14:55But he is absolutely capable of like hanging a massive score on specifically this defense.
15:00But yeah, Lawrence has just been amazing. He – let's see.
15:04My stats here are over his last five games, 30.4 DK points per game easily leads the slate.
15:10Even over his last 17 games, if you want a bigger sample, 21.8 DraftKings points per game leads all quarterbacks on the slate over that span.
15:18He's only priced as the QB 11. I just mentioned that he has destroyed this Broncos defense before, but it's also a nice schematic matchup.
15:26The Broncos play a ton of man coverage, and Lawrence has been 50% more efficient by fantasy points per drop back against man.
15:33Yeah, I just kind of don't see why we wouldn't go back to Lawrence.
15:38Just the rushing role is amazing in expected fantasy points, which we now have for quarterbacks.
15:43I – at the fantasy points data suite that people can check out.
15:47That's new this year. He's just been top three because, yeah, he gets the rushing role inside the 10-yard line.
15:54That's also a Liam Cohen quarterback thing where he encourages his QBs to go for that, as we saw with Baker Mayfield a couple years ago too.
16:02So, yeah, I think Lawrence is just one of my favorite plays.
16:06I don't know if he'll be everyone's favorite GPP play.
16:09That's maybe my one caveat is I do think he's someone that could catch steam as we get into the weekend and
16:16everybody listens to their DFS podcasts, but that's more of a feeling thing.
16:21I'm going to play a bunch of him. I mean, he's coming in, yeah, 5% projected ownership seems pretty fair.
16:27Honestly, he's one that I've struggled with. Like, how much interest should I have in Lawrence because of, like you said, the Broncos at home?
16:35Tough, tough matchup. Now, we saw them, the defense just got, you know, torn to shreds by the Chiefs last week, and
16:42I couldn't decide if, like, is that really sticky or is that just like they were in Arrowhead and the Chiefs are just good at home?
16:50And, you know, I didn't know to what extent I should believe in that because I thought going into that game, like,
16:58oh, this Broncos defense is going to be really tough.
17:01They kept most of the defense they had from last year, which was really good, and usually that continuity, it's like, okay,
17:08you can probably count on them being good again, and then they just, they look broken in that game against the Chiefs.
17:15So, yeah, so I like the call of Trevor Lawrence.
17:18I'll probably get to some Lawrence, but he's not one that had stood out to me.
17:23Who else? Who else is on your list? I've got at least one name that I want to throw at you, but
17:30before we get there, I just want to open it up and see if there's anybody else on your list that you
17:37are like, this is a must play this week.
17:40I don't know if I have anyone else that's like must play.
17:44There's what? Well, there's two other quarterbacks that I'm interested in playing that I would consider top five plays on the slate.
17:51I guess I'll talk about Lamar Jackson. That's probably the most interesting one to me.
17:56I think it's so Zay Flowers is doubtful, not going to play more than likely.
18:01But even despite that, I think it's a little crazy that Lamar is coming in at 5% on a slate that doesn't
18:08have Josh Allen to like kind of threaten him in terms of posting an unmatchable quarterback score.
18:13I do think that is now back in Lamar Jackson's range of outcomes every single week because he looked healthy in week
18:20one and he hit 40 rushing yards for only the second time since he had originally injured his hamstring back in week four of 2025.
18:28That has a massive impact, obviously not only on his rushing, but also on his passing efficiency.
18:34The stat I had thrown been throwing around in the offseason was Lamar is a top two passer in the NFL by
18:41every efficiency stat from the pocket last year before his injury before defenses could just kind of cheat and say, well, we
18:48know you aren't a threat on the ground. The math is like not just fully against us.
18:53We can play you differently. Unfortunately, that's not the case anymore.
18:57Now, Lamar and Derrick Henry continues to just be a math problem for opposing defenses.
19:02You can't account for all of it. And that makes it much easier for Lamar to have these big performances even through the air.
19:10In 2024, he was averaging 26.4 DraftKings points per game.
19:13Had like an MVP level season. Even if you want to take all of the games in 2025 before he injured his
19:20hamstring and include last week in your sample. So the last three years in fully healthy games, 26.7 DraftKings fantasy points per
19:27game has gone over 29 in 38 percent of those.
19:30It's against this Saints team that just created a overtime game script with like 160 combined plays in Lion Saints last week.
19:37I don't know, man. I think Lamar is just one like one of the more exciting QB plays this week.
19:44Yeah, no, I like Lamar for sure stands out as one of the better plays on the slate.
19:49The biggest concern would be the game script just getting out of hand and it becoming a Derrick Henry game against the Saints in Baltimore.
19:57But yeah, no, I'm with you. I think Lamar just seeing that upside again is fun for one of the most fun
20:04players in fantasy football or in football in general, I should say.
20:08Good to see Lamar Jackson back to being what he has been at his peak.
20:13Let me throw a name at you just because it's one that I'm like toying with and I think I'm going to do it.
20:21But I'm going to give you the opportunity to tell me that I am nuts for considering Drake May against the Steelers.
20:28Because to me, Drake May, people are kind of trying to write him off right now.
20:33After last year, he was an MVP candidate. A lot of people thought he's a schedule merchant.
20:39This is not real. He's just playing in the best possible, having the best possible schedule.
20:44And then towards the end of the playoffs, you know, kind of didn't live up to the same type of production as he had early on.
20:52And now he has back-to-back games against Seattle where he's just been pretty bad fantasy-wise.
20:57And theoretically, this could be another tough matchup with the Steelers.
21:00I'm just, I think to me, I'm not convinced that Drake May is not, you know, an MVP caliber player.
21:07I don't think we know that for sure. I think he's had a couple really tough matchups in a row.
21:13I think I'm going to trust the larger sample size there.
21:17But then also you've got the Steelers. We thought they were going to be a good defense coming into the year.
21:24And they were solid last week. But they were playing against Cooper Rush.
21:28I don't know that I can really take away anything from what the Steelers did against Cooper Rush.
21:33Because I think every defense is going to look great against Cooper Rush.
21:38And Joey Porter Jr. is going to be out most likely once again.
21:42So I'm kind of, I think that Drake May might be kind of a sneaky play at 6100.
21:48Just knowing the upside that he has. And then he has, you know, really cheap pass catchers with AJ Brown out.
21:54Do you think I'm nuts for having an interest in Drake May in tournaments?
21:59I don't think you're nuts. Graham Barfield brought up the same player on cashing points and caught me off guard a little bit.
22:06But now that I've like had a little time to digest that and think about it, fair enough is what I would say.
22:14Yeah, the splits with Drake May against like top seven defenses.
22:17So the entirety of the playoff run plus these last two games against Seattle are very bad.
22:23But yeah, this guy was the QB two in fantasy points per game last year.
22:27Only like not he was scoring 90% of what Josh Allen was in fantasy football.
22:32I had not really a great receiver core, right?
22:35It was Stefan Diggs in a part time role.
22:38Not not even getting up to like a 60, 70% route share in a lot of those games where May was absolutely nuking.
22:45So, yeah, the more I've thought about it, the more I have come around on it a little bit.
22:52I think he's difficult to stack. I do have one Patriots receiver that we'll probably talk about later that I think could be a good pairing with him.
23:01But yeah, like I hear you. I think that's a pretty sharp angle to be considering.
23:06I don't know if I'll get to it, but I do.
23:09I'd like the thought there. Okay, I think that's I'll take that.
23:13That's that's at least permission to play to play Drake May.
23:17If you also like the angle there. I guess what one other name that I want to get your your thoughts on
23:24Caleb Williams last week rushed 10 times for 65 yards and two touchdowns.
23:28Like I don't know where that came from. Didn't really bring along the pass catchers that you want to stack up with him.
23:35Now he's 6800 in a tough matchup with Brian Flores.
23:38But you can make the argument that with the Vikings being so aggressive like there there might be opportunities there for for
23:46Ben Johnson and the Bears to potentially exploit that.
23:48But you know expensive probably going to get some ownership just based on how good he was last week.
23:55I only project for 4%. What's your level of interest in Caleb Williams?
23:59Very high. He was the name I almost said instead of Lamar Jackson.
24:03I think that's really my only like way I'm going back and forth is I'm paying up at QB is Lamar just better than Caleb.
24:11It's very close for me. I think they're both awesome plays.
24:14Because Caleb has five career games where the total is 48 points or higher.
24:19He averages 25.7 DraftKings points per game in those contests.
24:22That's behind only Josh Allen if you were to do a similar split for every quarterback in the league.
24:28So he has nuked in these higher total games.
24:31There's only really two of those on this slate.
24:34I think it's compelling. I think the rushing angle is very compelling for him.
24:39The Vikings as we talked about last week are one of the most blitz heavy teams in the league.
24:45We were wrong about Jaden Reed against the blitz last week.
24:48But I think even more straightforwardly. Caleb Williams gets up to the second highest scramble rate in the NFL when he faces
24:55the blitz going back to last year. So I really do think Caleb as a single stack with all with all of
25:02his pieces still being cheap because none of them paid off last week.
25:07That's pretty fun to me. I am definitely moved somewhat by that.
25:10Especially with the field. I think largely playing this game through the Vikings side.
25:15Yeah, just going right back to Caleb. Guy that led all players and fantasy points in week one is fair enough.
25:22Honestly, I kind of like that. Yeah, I think Caleb is a pretty strong angle.
25:26We know the upside. We just saw it last week from Caleb Williams.
25:31Wide range of outcomes, I'd say, against the Vikings, but worth playing at least in tournaments at low ownership.
25:37Are there any other quarterbacks that you feel compelled to talk about before we move on to running backs?
25:43Can I ask you about a quarterback? Yeah. Bo Nix projects as like a top three point per dollar value around the industry.
25:50Does anyone want to play Bo Nix? Are you going to play Bo Nix?
25:55I don't want to. I have zero desire whatsoever after watching what the Davis Webb play calling Broncos looked like on Monday night.
26:02But I'm sure everyone feels like that, right? This might be one of those week one things where we all watched a
26:09game on national TV where the Broncos offense looked completely lost in Davis Webb's first time calling a game.
26:15All the people that are actually having to project games relative to Vegas totals and everything are saying Bo Nix is a really great value on the slate.
26:24I don't know. I'm not saying I want to play him, but it feels like, I don't know, it's a spot I
26:31wanted to just ask you about and pick your brain on because it's like really tricky for me.
26:37Yeah, no, I think that that's a good note on Bo Nix.
26:41Like, I do think he's a good name to bring up because these are the exact spots where it's like we all
26:48just watched him like on primetime game look terrible, look like the whole offense is broken.
26:53Everybody's ready to write off Davis Webb is like, well, now they're not gonna be good anymore because Sean Payton's not the play caller.
27:01They're not gonna do it with Davis Webb. So everybody kind of jumping off.
27:05But Bo Nix has been kind of inconsistent throughout his career, right?
27:09And we don't know, like, yeah, Davis Webb, sample size of one against a Steve Spagnuolo, awesome Chiefs defense.
27:15He was not great. Now, the tough thing here for me with Bo Nix is the matchup because they have another really tough matchup with the Jaguars.
27:24But at least this one is in Denver where you'd think they'd have a pretty big home field advantage in Denver.
27:31Yeah, no, I kind of like it. I think that they should be able to adjust the offense.
27:37I'd expect them to be at least, you know, much better than they were last week against the Chiefs.
27:43So I like to call out they're gonna play fast.
27:46They Sean Payton said this week, you know, he keeps on talking about all the fantasy points.
27:51Maybe he doesn't talk about in terms of fantasy points, but all the usage that Jalen Waddle is going to get.
27:58You've got Pat Bryant there who is who is used in a pretty significant way last week.
28:04So there's ways to stack it up. He's projected for 5% ownership, which to me is like, that's fine.
28:10Like it doesn't strike me as like super smash if he gets to 5% ownership, but it does seem like, yeah, I
28:17think he's probably going to be in my player pool because he's not getting crazy high ownership.
28:22I just it's hard for me to be as enthusiastic about it as I'd like to be for a like potential bounce
28:29back spot because he's playing the Jaguars. If he was playing the Bears and getting he'd probably be getting 7% ownership.
28:36Then I'd be like, that's a smash. I want to play all the Bo Nix.
28:41It's just tougher for me against the Jaguars, who I do think have a pretty good defense.
28:46So yeah, I think I think I'm I'm I'm on it with with Bo Nix.
28:51I think I will play some it's not going to be he won't be one of my top five highest exposed quarterbacks.
28:58At least I don't think he will. But I do like playing some and potentially doing the full game stack there, which
29:05is to like kind of, I think tougher defenses.
29:08So not like the best blow up spot, but like wouldn't be that surprising to see it play kind of fast and the offense is looking pretty competent.
29:17Yeah, I like I like the idea of playing a little bit of Bo Nix.
29:22All right. Any other any other quarterbacks? You know, Justin Herbert was a guy we all want to play last week.
29:29We're jumping off that, I guess. Any others that you are like enthusiastic about?
29:33Herbert, I think if we hear from Adam Schefter on Sunday morning that Ladd McConkie is going to play and have no
29:40limitations, then I could be talked into it. But the literally the Chargers by adjusted net yards per attempt went from a
29:47top five offense to the worst offense in the NFL in week one with and without Ladd McConkie on the field.
29:54So I think really that is going to drive my Herbert interest.
29:58If Ladd's not playing or sounds like he'll be limited, I will not be playing any Herbert.
30:03I think that's good at the QB position. I didn't have anyone else I really wanted to bring up.
30:09All right. Yeah, that works for me. Let's move on to running backs.
30:14At the top of the list, we have Bijan Robinson at 34 percent.
30:18Derrick Henry, 23 percent. Christian McCaffrey, 22. Javante Williams, 22 percent.
30:21Aaron Jones, 20 percent. I'd say those those five I would I would consider to be the chalk that we should talk about.
30:29Are there any of these names that you look at and think that's disgusting?
30:33I don't want any part of that or any of these that you think I'm going to be double the field.
30:40How are you feeling about these top five in terms of ownership?
30:44I think I have two clear favorites here or I'll say two and a half clear favorites.
30:49I'll start talking about Bijan Robinson. I understand why he's projected as the highest owned player on the slate.
30:55He probably should be. That's like that's probably just right.
30:59A guy had the highest target share in a single game by a running back in fantasy points data history.
31:05Last week, over 40 percent. Just insane usage. The Falcons decided, hey, we don't actually want to be a serious offense.
31:12We just want to or maybe that's their attempt at being a serious offense with Cooper Rush.
31:17But either way, it's it's good for Bijan Robinson and fantasy, I suppose, if he's just going to get peppered the entire game.
31:25I do think if you're looking for an angle or like a reason to poke a hole in Bijan Robinson, it's historically
31:32he has not been that highly targeted against the Panthers.
31:35So over the past three seasons, we have six games between Bijan Robinson and the Panthers with their defensive coordinator.
31:41He has only gone over a 15 percent target share in one of those games.
31:46And again, last week, 40 percent target share for Bijan Robinson.
31:50Just for comparison, never more than six targets in any of those.
31:54I mean, he's gone over 25 DK in half of them.
31:57So it's not as if he needs the receiving game to pay off here.
32:02But I do think if in terms of one week samples that people may be over index on 10 targets for Bijan
32:09and four targets for Drake London is maybe one of those where it's like, yeah, I could see Drake London just being way more involved in week two.
32:18I his splits are really good with Michael Penix.
32:21He's over 20 DraftKings points per game in his career with Penix.
32:24I think the natural tendency and mine included is to say, wow, Drake London is screwed as long as it's Cooper Rush.
32:31And that's probably true. And I do think there are better wide receiver plays in London.
32:37But I do see a world where kind of more of the passing volume shifts over there this week.
32:43And that's like a thing that catches people off guard in week two.
32:47So that's maybe one kind of note in terms of the or do you have thoughts on Bijan before I get into
32:54the chalk that the other chalky guys that I like?
32:57Or can we go to them? You know, I think that I'm largely on the same page as you like.
33:04I'm certainly I don't anticipate being overweight on Bijan.
33:06I don't think that he's like the smash play that Jameer Gibbs was last week.
33:11He was one that I frankly I missed out.
33:14I missed on Bijan last week. I was not really into it against the Steelers.
33:19I thought it's going to be tough going with Cooper Rush.
33:23Did not anticipate the 10 targets last week for Bijan.
33:26Obviously has the upside, but at 34% ownership, I imagine I'll be a bit light there.
33:31Just on the assumption that things could go a little bit differently.
33:35We could see, you know, not quite the same condensation on on Bijan this week.
33:40So yeah, we can we can move on. Yeah, and I think a lot of my reasoning for taking that angle with
33:47Bijan is I think each of the next three names that are listed are basically just as good as him for tournaments.
33:54Like I think the ownership ideally or my exposures would be much closer with him and Henry McCaffrey and Javante.
34:00Derek Henry, since he joined the Ravens averages over 23 DraftKings fantasy points per game in wins.
34:06He's just a really strong play. The Ravens are big favorites.
34:09There's I don't know. There's like no additional analysis to give on Derek Henry.
34:14Like the guy came in with one of the best workloads that he had has seen, at least compared to last year.
34:2119 expected fantasy points in week one. A top seven mark at the running back position.
34:26Let all running backs in DraftKings fantasy points. More than any other player, he has been dunking on the expected fantasy points models for years now.
34:34This is just another spot where he could do that.
34:37Ravens could decide to lean more on the run with Zay Flowers out, of course.
34:42So I think Henry is like right there with Bijan as my top running back play on the slate.
34:48McCaffrey is intriguing to me because I think we would see 50% ownership if he was anywhere close to his normal workload in week one.
34:56It could very easily have it. I shouldn't even say very easily.
35:00I think it is most likely that McCaffrey did not have his usual workload because almost none of the 49ers did.
35:07This was a game halfway around the world, a 17 hour flight that was not competitive for most of it.
35:13So I think you can very easily tell a story where Kyle Shanahan said, OK, yeah, Kalon Black looks pretty good.
35:20We don't really need McCaffrey in this game as much.
35:23CMC still got all of the high value work.
35:26Was clearly the leader in terms of targets and routes out of the backfield.
35:31Was playing everything pretty much inside the 20s. Yeah, still getting all the high value touches.
35:36Just was losing some between the 20s in a game that was never really that competitive.
35:41Yeah, McCaffrey on his normal workload would, again, be a 50% owned player on this slate.
35:4613 and a half point favorites against the UFL level Dolphins.
35:50McCaffrey is an amazing play. I don't play cash.
35:53I imagine like maybe he's a little scarier in cash just because of workload stuff.
35:57But for tournaments, I think he's amazing. And also Kalon Black is on the injury report this week.
36:03So potentially Mike McCaffrey just gets everything. It may not even matter.
36:07So CMC, amazing play. Javante Williams, also an amazing play, I think.
36:11Or again, relative to ownership to Bijan being 12% higher than him in these projections.
36:16I think Javante is just as good a play as Bijan.
36:19He was top six among all players at all positions in XFP per team play in week one.
36:25He just got all of the work out of the backfield here.
36:29Cowboys are favored in this game. Javante averages 18 DraftKings points per game in wins.
36:34Going back to the start of last year, he's priced way too cheap.
36:38He also is a good play to me. So yeah, I think all of the...
36:43Or I forgot to talk about Aaron Jones. I would rank him probably closer to Bijan in terms of how my level of interest.
36:50But yeah, I think the three guys in the middle are like the ones I feel best about.
36:56I don't know about you, Neil. Yeah, I would say the one that I maybe have a little bit flipped and maybe it's not right.
37:04But Javante to me is kind of like fine at 22%, but not like a smash.
37:09Maybe I'm underrating. Maybe I'm underrating the matchup with Washington.
37:13Just looking at the fantasy points they allowed per opportunity.
37:16It was a good but not amazing matchup for Javante.
37:19Not quite as involved in the passing game as I'd like him to be.
37:24But you're probably right because he does get like he's basically getting all the usage for the Cowboys.
37:29I think I just maybe I just don't believe in the talent quite as much.
37:34So I just struggle with Javante when he's getting ownership.
37:37It's less exciting. Whereas like, yeah, Derrick Henry, like one of the most game script sensitive running backs in the NFL.
37:44And this is going to be a game in their favor, what, seven and a half points like they should be able to absolutely smash.
37:52So this is very much a Derrick Henry spot.
37:5523% ownership seems totally fair. Christian McCaffrey, you made all the points that I would make of just like, yeah, if he
38:02we don't know that he's going to get his usual workload.
38:06And it is worth noting that, yeah, especially this would be a game where they could pull back his usage again because they're playing the Dolphins.
38:14They might not necessarily need to use him. But like you said, he's getting the high value touches anyway.
38:20So I'm going to make the bet on McCaffrey just getting enough usage again in a spot where San Francisco should be
38:27able to just put their foot on the pedal.
38:30So, yeah, I love McCaffrey, Henry and then Aaron Jones don't really know to what extent the Vikings will lean on him.
38:37I think he's going to be a bell cow this week.
38:41And I think the Bears, when we saw Chuba had a really nice game against them last week, I think it's a nice matchup.
38:48Just just don't know to what extent they're going to lean on the run versus just passing the ball a lot more with without Jordan Mason.
38:57And what to what extent Aaron Jones is going to be involved in the passing game?
39:02I think he only had like two targets last week.
39:05Now we expect that that would be a lot more for Aaron Jones.
39:09So, yeah, he's it's an open question what we're going to see there.
39:13But I think he's a fairly strong play at his salary.
39:17The ownership is enough that it's not an absolute smash.
39:20I think, yeah, I think the cash game plays are like Aaron Jones, Bijan and then figure it out from there.
39:27But, yeah, no, I like Aaron Jones, but I think I'm kind of with the field there.
39:32Not not really over the field. But I think in general, I'm on the same page as you were like, yeah, McCaffrey, mega smash, Derek Henry, mega smash.
39:41Bijan, enough ownership that I'm a little bit questioning it.
39:45Yeah. And then to me, I think I I'm not quite as high on Javante as you, but that might just be a Javante bias on my part.
39:54And then Aaron Jones, I'm kind of kind of with the field.
39:57So on Javante, it's just interesting to bring up in terms of like week one over reactions.
40:03I also hated Javante this offseason. I am not a Javante Williams guy, but I don't know.
40:08I feel like I'm for years. I felt like I got owned by Derek Henry over and over and over.
40:15I was constantly the nerd with the spreadsheet getting shoved into a locker saying, yeah, Derek Henry can't possibly keep this up for another season.
40:23Look at this age curve that I that I drew that shows Derek Henry is going to suck this year, guys.
40:30That was not me this year. I turned over that leaf with Derek Henry did not turn over the Javante Williams leaf whatsoever was I agree.
40:38I'm not that high on his talent, but I don't know.
40:41This was one where it just became week one and it was undeniable to me.
40:46Malik Davis, who was going to be there, RB2 got injured like three days before the season.
40:52So they end up with Amari Di Mercado, who's like a pass pro specialist and played like three snaps in week one.
40:59I don't know how much that's going to increase.
41:02Like, I do think at least for the early season, it's just been like a perfect possible run out for Javante.
41:08And I I don't know. There's a part of me that wants to like shift quickly on those types of players that
41:15I had like big workload doubts on coming into the year.
41:19But yeah, it's that's interesting. I'm not really sure what's like the right way to approach that.
41:24Yeah, no, I think that that probably is the right way to to to shift pretty quickly once we have more information
41:32because, yeah, it's looking like he's just going to be a bell cow.
41:36Just the ownership is enough to me and the price tag, I guess, that I'm at a glance not as excited about it.
41:43But maybe maybe by the time I actually make lineups, I will have been convinced that that Javante is a smash play.
41:50Then moving down the ownership list, I was not going to continue with the chop conversation.
41:55But I do think Ashton Gentry is an interesting conversation just seeing the workload last week for Gentry.
42:01I mean, he looks like he's he's fully healthy.
42:04He's going to have all the work he can handle.
42:07He's 6,800. That seems like a pretty fair price tag for Gentry.
42:11This is one that I think we got right last week.
42:15We talked about how like, yeah, why? Why is Gentry not getting more ownership?
42:19And then he was he had a very strong game.
42:22Are we going back to the Ashton Gentry well against the Chargers?
42:26I'm definitely willing to. Yeah, I think the ownership or the hesitance people might have is just game script related where it's
42:33like, hey, they got to beat up on the Dolphins last week.
42:37Maybe it won't be the same against the Chargers.
42:40I don't know that it matters. Gentry was being used like an every down bell cow.
42:45We saw him throughout his rookie season be used in that way where he was just a top four, top five target
42:52share at the running back position all season. It's exactly what we saw in week one, even though he was coming off of the prayer circle ankle injury.
43:01I think he's just an undeniable bell cow and he's priced too cheaply for that type of role.
43:07So, yeah, I like Gentry quite a bit. I think he makes sense to just go right back to this week.
43:14You already mentioned some interest in I think you were alluding to having some interest in Bucky Irving this week at 6,100
43:2112 percent projected ownership against that Cleveland defense that I know I thought they're going to be pretty good coming to the year.
43:28I'm not throwing away everything that I thought about them.
43:31But what's your level of interest in Bucky? Very high, I would say.
43:36Yeah, I think maybe the best argument for like not going as heavy on Javante Williams is Bucky Irving's right there in a similar price range.
43:44And I I think Bucky's an incredible ownership adjusted play here.
43:47I this is I just want to like rewind for everybody like where we've come from and gone on Bucky Irving in the 2025 offseason.
43:55This guy was being drafted at the end of round two in every fantasy draft like he was an ascending talent heading into his second season.
44:04I had just completely smashed down the stretch of his rookie year, like I believe, led all running backs in fantasy points
44:11per game in healthy games over his last seven games post by whatever it was in his rookie season.
44:17Everybody was excited about Bucky Irving. All the film guys pretty much were excited about Bucky Irving.
44:22He had looked great. And last year, he we came into the season.
44:27The Buccaneers offensive line was completely decimated with injuries for most of it.
44:31Irving had a bell cow workload for the first month of 2025, but got injured, came back, was losing high value touches to Sean Tucker.
44:39I was continuing to lose a lot of targets to Rashad White, was just kind of getting squeezed from both directions, as
44:46you might say, for high value touches, which are just so important at the running back position in fantasy football, right?
44:53In week one, all of our concerns on that got answered to my eye, at the very least.
44:58Career high 25% target share for Bucky last week.
45:01Ran a route on 58% of the Buccaneers dropbacks, more than Kenny Gainwell, so played more in the passing game than he did.
45:09Got everything in the red zone. And Sean Tucker should play this week.
45:13I don't think that this regime is as high on Sean Tucker as a goal line option.
45:18He had to take a pay cut to even stay with the team this year.
45:23So I think we're just back at a place.
45:26Just, again, try to bring yourself back to after Bucky's rookie season.
45:30I think that's just where we are with him, where at 6,100, similarly to Javante, he's just priced way too cheaply for
45:37a running back with a three-down bell cow workload.
45:40In this awesome spot where the Buccaneers are huge favorites against this Browns defense, that it does not seem to be that scary without Miles Garrett after all.
45:49So, yeah, I think Bucky's just an amazing, amazing play.
45:52I talked about the team level regression stuff with Baker Mayfield.
45:56That all super applies to Bucky as well. Despite all those turnovers, he still got to 20 DK last week on, like,
46:03yeah, with some of the fewest plays of any team in the NFL.
46:07So, yeah, why not? I think Bucky's awesome this week.
46:10Yeah, no, I like that call. Also, yeah, I was planning on playing it through the passing game primarily.
46:16But you can also, I think, include Bucky in that passing game equation.
46:20You can include him in those Baker stacks, as you mentioned.
46:24More involved in the passing game. I think a lot of us, you know, thought this offseason, we were concerned about how
46:31much Kenny Gainwell was going to cut into the passing game involvement for Bucky Irving.
46:36That doesn't seem like that's going to be a big concern.
46:39Looks like he's going to be pretty involved. Yeah, so Bucky, another strong target.
46:44Who are some other names that you're targeting at the running back position?
46:48Do you have any favorites that are getting less ownership here?
46:52There's a lot of intriguing ones. So maybe I need a little help narrowing some down.
46:57I'll throw a couple names out. I think DeAndre Swift is interesting.
47:01That after what he did and what the Bears offense did last week, and he was top seven or top five at
47:08the position in expected fantasy points, I easily led the NFL in Rashard's over-expectation, or him and Monungay were number one and
47:15number two, that the field just doesn't want to play him this week.
47:19That's interesting to me. Especially, again, you know what?
47:22You are, I'm just talking myself out of Javante as we talk about more of these like low 6K running backs.
47:29I think all of these guys are awesome tournament plays.
47:32I guess like with him, the argument back against him would be the matchup.
47:36The Packers didn't have much success last week in this spot, but also I think their run game and their running backs
47:43are a lot worse than the Ben Johnson running game.
47:46The guy's been top two in yards per carry, EPA per rush, every rushing statistic since he became a play caller.
47:53So maybe we shouldn't have been that surprised that this Bears rushing attack was so potent.
47:58Yeah, I kind of like the idea of DeAndre Swift.
48:02Chase Brown and David Montgomery are both intriguing plays.
48:04I'll give you one like very crazy one that like outside the box was just made for.
48:10Bachel Tootin. This Broncos defense just allowed the most missed tackles forced of any defense in any game going back to at least 2025.
48:18I believe also going back to 2024 previous years, most missed tackles forced allowed to a running back in the run game.
48:25It wasn't just Ken Walker either. Emmett Johnson was also one of the top three running backs in missed tackles forced per touch in week one.
48:33They just couldn't tackle anybody. Bachel Tootin was also a top four running back by missed tackles forced per touch in week one.
48:40He looked amazing, I thought. We didn't really get a sense totally of what the goal line and receiving roles and high
48:48value touches were going to be in terms of how they would be split apart between Tootin and Searod in week one
48:55just because the Jaguars ran so few plays. That game was over with and completely out of the question by halftime.
49:01So there's like some uncertainty here. Liam Cohen sounded really impressed with Tootin after week one.
49:06This was a player that coming into the season was one of my bigger flag plants in season-long fantasy football.
49:13Just because these Liam Cohen backfields are always so valuable because he designs all of these screens to the running backs.
49:20Tootin had a nice play on a screen in week one.
49:23We could see even more of that in a more competitive game.
49:27I think there's a chance that he has the goal line role.
49:31We don't really know, I would say. Between him and Searod, there was like one snap that Searod came in on the
49:3810, but it was like after Tootin had recovered a fumble.
49:42It wasn't like really a legit, oh, Searod just is the goal line back.
49:46To me, at least how I interpreted it. So yeah, at 5,600 and no one's going to play him, that's kind of interesting to me.
49:54I don't know if I'll get to it in like a hand building, a three max or something, just because there's so much good running back value.
50:03But just a name I wanted to shout out there for the MME bros.
50:07I mean, 1% projected ownership against a defense. Like he's an electric back.
50:11We know that Tootin has the ability to break off a long run.
50:16We haven't really seen it in the NFL so much, but we've seen it in the past for Tootin.
50:22We're pretty sure that he has that in his bag.
50:25And now we're facing a Broncos defense that we thought was going to be really good.
50:30I still think is going to be really good.
50:33But our one week sample tells us that they can be beat.
50:37They can, you know, he could just have an electric game against them.
50:41At 1% ownership at mid 5,000 price tag. I like that.
50:44I like that shout out of facial Tootin. And DeAndre Swift, so are you concerned at all about the like passing game involvement?
50:52That was the part that surprised me with Swift.
50:55Just one target, 21.1% route participation. Like you said, still had 20.5 expected fantasy points.
51:00So like the workload was still good enough from a pretty fantasy friendly.
51:04But I don't know, that kind of scared me off him against the Vikings, like not being involved in the passing game.
51:11Um, yeah, I guess I, I did a write-up of the Bears and did not include DeAndre Swift as a play.
51:18And now you have me doubting it, but, uh, to what extent are you concerned about the lack of passing game involvement last week?
51:25I, I mean, a little concerned from like a season long perspective, but in this spot, uh, where the Bears, is it
51:32a four point spread, five point spread, something like that.
51:36They're like comfortable favorites in this game. I don't know that it matters that much.
51:40Uh, Swift has also been kind of a low key, fairly game script sensitive back, uh, in wins since the start of last season.
51:48He averages 17.9 DraftKings points per game, which would rank top five, uh, among the slate eligible running backs this week.
51:55Uh, I, I think as, as long as you're building such that it's assuming that the Bears kind of dominate this game,
52:02I don't see any issue with the passing game involvement for Swift.
52:06This week. Um, that, that is like one reason I think to pull back after week one and redraft and say, Hey,
52:13maybe I'm not rocketing, uh, Swift super far up my rest of season rankings, but it, yeah, specifically in the spot, I,
52:20I, I'm not really that worried about it. Okay.
52:23Yeah. I guess, I guess my, my concern is like, well, common on that was so involved in the passing game that he had such a big week.
52:32Um, I don't know if, if there's maybe he, uh, carves out more of a role going forward, but probably, probably not a concern yet at this point.
52:41Like you said, this is just, uh, there, they are favorites.
52:44It should be a nice spot for Swift. Um, so we can, we can roll him out there.
52:50Any other, any other names that you want to talk about at running back?
52:55And if you don't have any, I'll see if I have any that I want to throw at you.
53:01If you, uh, don't come up with any, um, let's just, there are several other players that I, I think you could play in a tournament.
53:09There's so many good running back plays. Um, let, let's just talk about David Montgomery.
53:14Uh, Trey, if you want to throw up his projected ownership there, I think there's like a point I want to make on this.
53:22Uh, yeah, just 6% projected ownership on David Montgomery.
53:24After, I mean, he had to my eye a better workload than DeAndre Swift.
53:29Um, pretty damn close to a Bucky Irving. Uh, just in terms of, yeah, he didn't play like every snap, but inside the 10, it was all him.
53:38Every single running back opportunity there, uh, ran more routes than Woody Marks did.
53:42Uh, in a game where Nico Collins is out, the Texans are massively incentivized to lean on the run as much as they possibly can.
53:51I think that that's pretty interesting to get David Montgomery, where we know the touchdown equity is amazing.
53:56He scored three last week. Uh, was a, well, one of the top running backs and expected fantasy points just because of that.
54:04Uh, yeah, he's, but again, there's like so many good 6k running backs is like where I hesitate a little bit.
54:10Um, you can also argue like maybe the Texans just never get inside the 10 yard line in this game.
54:17If you're, I'm, I'm a little worried about that certainly without Nico Collins, but he's one I would consider Chase Brown on the other side of that game.
54:26I think also makes sense just because Joe Burrow coming into the week banged up.
54:31Um, the Bengals could also just decide to lean on the run game a little bit more.
54:36Uh, Brown's workload was just as amazing as we expected it to be last week.
54:41Uh, the, the draft Kings points relative to every other running back going off on the slate weren't quite there, but it
54:48was pretty, a really strong workload for Brown also had everything high value.
54:52So all of these names are like kind of, yeah, it in consideration for me, but is there any one else you
54:59wanted to bring up or ask me about? There is one more name that I want to bring up, but first I
55:06just want to like, uh, you know, question the pushback a little bit on Brown or like get your thoughts on.
55:13So, so you, you brought up last week that Brown has been really good in games with Joe Burrow.
55:19Do you think Joe Burrow being injured? Like, do you think that might maybe affect things like just if the defense knows,
55:26and obviously it's a really strong defense with Houston anyway, but if Joe Burrow is coming in kind of banged up to
55:33the point where they're going to be leaning on the run, like, do you think that it's partially he does well in
55:40games with Joe Burrow because the other team can't focus on the run as much they have to worry about Burrow?
55:47Um, I don't know. I'm just kind of, I'm wondering if that same like benefit of playing with Joe Burrow applies if
55:54Joe Burrow is banged up and then we're like trying to think, well, maybe they'll run more because Joe Burrow's hurt.
56:01Um, can you, are we having our cake and eating it too by, by, you know, making that argument?
56:07Um, I'm just trying to trying to think through like whether, whether the injury to Joe Burrow might negatively impact Chase Brown
56:14because he hasn't been as good in games, uh, without a healthy Joe Burrow in the past.
56:20Um, maybe it doesn't matter at 6% ownership, just, uh, just trying to push back a little bit because, uh, he's not
56:27somebody that I love against Houston, but, uh, you're right.
56:30The workload should be pretty good. I honestly, I think that's fair in terms, at least in terms of like, there are
56:37so many running back, good running back plays. We need to like narrow these guys down.
56:42I think that's fair enough to say, I just think this game could be kind of gross.
56:48Uh, a lot of the appeal of Brown with Burrow is his receiving role in the red zone.
56:53A lot of that is like receiving touchdowns that he's really feasted on.
56:57So that could also be like, yeah, a similar concern if Burrow's not fully healthy.
57:02I think Burrow's probably like, will probably be fine.
57:05Um, I think in hindsight, if he doesn't play well this weekend, it will be something people talk about, but very easily
57:12Burrow could drop a big performance on all of our heads.
57:16Uh, he certainly has in the past. So yeah, I, that's, that's fair enough.
57:20Honestly, I, I would rank him behind, um, like Bucky Irving, for example, definitely.
57:25I think all of these guys are, are like worse than Bucky Irving that we've kind of been talking about the last 10 minutes.
57:33Okay. Okay. I have one more, more name to throw out there and it's, um, realizing that it's sort of a funny
57:40name for me to throw out there because you and I had a Twitter exchange this summer in which, uh, you were,
57:47you're kind of making an anti-Jonathan Brooks case. And I responded and said, I forget, I forget exactly what you said, but
57:54I responded and said, but Jonathan Brooks doesn't have anybody in front of him on the depth chart.
58:00I was very much pro Brooks all summer. And now I want to make the case for what about Chuba Hubbard?
58:06Cause he had, he had a pretty amazing workload, uh, in week one, uh, now a matchup with Atlanta, which Pittsburgh didn't
58:13really take advantage of it, but I think Atlanta might be a pretty beatable defense.
58:18And I think Chuba Hubbard's usage last week was like, didn't look as good as it actually was because they had like, it was a blowout.
58:26They had, uh, AJ Dylan running out the clock at the end, but Chuba Hubbard was getting all of the high value touches.
58:34He had, I believe three carries and one target inside the top, uh, inside the 10 yard line last week.
58:40So, uh, I, I'm becoming a Chuba bull for just this week.
58:44Um, do you have any interest, uh, in, in Chuba at, you know, 5,800, 7% ownership?
58:49Yeah, no, that's a great call out. I forgot about Chuba, but that that's a great one.
58:55Uh, I also, it's funny you bring up that Twitter exchange.
58:58Cause I, I did think I probably did think that about Jonathan Brooks.
59:02He ended up being in my redraft draft guide as a guy I was telling people to target.
59:08Uh, I had RJ Harvey ranked ahead of him earlier in August, uh, before all the injury movement had happened.
59:15But yeah, there is a guy in front of Jonathan Brooks, as you're saying, uh, and actually even beyond what you just
59:22said, uh, Hubbard had, I can't remember if he scored on the player, if it was just an, another play inside the 10, they got negated to penalty.
59:31So yeah, his workload was just excellent. He got everything in terms of high value touches, uh, ran way more routes than
59:38Jonathan Brooks was just being used in a three down bell cow role.
59:42Uh, yeah, I get like my only pushback would be how much do we actually like this game?
59:48Uh, the Panthers, I know were like a little bit more fun on offense last week in terms of, uh, attacking downfield, picking up the pace and everything.
59:57Uh, but everything we've seen from the Panthers has been like, they, they just don't want to run that many plays.
60:04They want to drag games out as much as possible.
60:07I think the Falcons will be happy to, uh, do the same thing.
60:11I just, yeah, I don't know. I just have play volume concerns for the, for that game, but I think Hubbard at
60:18the price and ownership does make sense for sure.
60:21Yeah. I guess to me, the, the play volume concerns, it's more of a concern for me with the passing game of the Panthers.
60:29Cause I feel like Dave Goodell, like he said in the past, like, I can't wait to prove how much we want to run it down their throat.
60:38I forget what the exact quote was, but it was a couple of years ago.
60:42Just, and like has kind of followed through that.
60:45He just loves running the ball. And I feel like this is like the game to run the ball against this Atlanta,
60:52you know, Cooper Cooper rush led offense. They're not gonna be able to score.
60:57So I would think the Panthers is going to run the ball a ton in this game and it could be, you
61:04know, I mean, Chuba only ended up with 13 touches last week, but I think in the right game script, seeing what
61:11we saw, he could have 25 in a game if things go right.
61:15And I wouldn't be that surprised to see it in this matchup with Atlanta, but yeah, it just comes down to like
61:22the, the relative ownership and price tag of Chuba.
61:25I think he's a better play than, than the ownership would suggest, uh, not like an absolute smash, but like a, a
61:32player that I'm going to be at least double the field.
61:36If he does come in at 7%, um, any other running backs you want to talk about?
61:41I think I'm good, Neil on running backs. All right.
61:44Uh, should we take a brief look at the data suite 2.0?
61:48Cause we, we have not, we, we've been featuring it on the show.
61:52We've shown the data suite, uh, time and time again, we're, we're using it constantly.
61:57And, and frankly, in my own research, I mean, it's so fast and easy to use at this point that I just,
62:04I'm in love with, with the data suite 2.0 at this point.
62:08Um, but I believe you had, uh, some specific things that we could look at and I should remind people, you can
62:15see it on the screen just below me. If you want to check out the data suite or anything else at fantasy points, use promo code DFS.
62:24You can get 10% off any product at fantasy points.
62:27Um, highly recommend the data suite. If you enjoy digging into data as much as, uh, the nerd above me does.
62:34Um, actually I, I, I'm, I'm with you. I also really love digging into this data, especially now that it is so easy to use.
62:42Um, Ryan, what, what, what do you want to show us with a data suite 2.0?
62:47Yeah. I just want to say like, I'm completely addicted to this tool.
62:51It has made my job so much easier, uh, in, in terms of just researching players, looking through usage, uh, we'll, we'll
62:58probably show off some different tools from data suite 2.0 on the show throughout the season.
63:03But, uh, this one just, this is the game splits tool.
63:07Uh, you can find it here under tools, come down to game splits.
63:11And this just lets you do the player with, or without another player splits extremely easily.
63:16Uh, one that I had pulled for my content this week was a Dallas Goddard related split.
63:22So you can just pick the team. You can pick any timeframe, uh, includes playoffs, any weeks that you want to go through.
63:29Uh, you can split on coaching. You can split on the starting quarterback, which is super easy.
63:35Uh, here I'm just going games, uh, where AJ Brown played one, one or more snaps.
63:40So where he was active for the Eagles. Uh, and if we hit analyze here, it comes up so freaking quickly.
63:46It's crazy. I actually had this in PPR, but you can change this to draft Kings.
63:52You can change this to fan duel. You can change it to tight end premium, half PPR, whatever you want.
63:58And just quickly rerun it there. Uh, yeah. 16 draft Kings fantasy points per game for Dallas Goddard since the start of
64:052023, uh, without AJ Brown, uh, there's like a full game log down here that you can scroll to as well and
64:12see like how he got there and what the exact stats were here.
64:16Uh, and you can split game by game on any player.
64:20So like if we wanted to compare, uh, this, so again, 16.2 DK points per game for Goddard without AJ Brown, uh,
64:27let's compare it to Devante Smith, uh, is like a natural comparison to go with there.
64:32I think, uh, for Devante, uh, without AJ Brown, 15.4 DK points per game, fewer than Dallas Goddard, uh, which was just
64:39kind of a surprising, uh, fun little split right there.
64:42And you can do the same thing. Look at his games with, and without him.
64:47Uh, yeah, just so many stats and ways to like break this down.
64:51And, and this is just one tool guys in data suite 2.0.
64:55Like if I scroll through everything here and just show off all of the tools, uh, we've got the coverage matrix, uh,
65:02which is what I use to do my schematic matchups analysis for advanced matchups.
65:07Uh, also new this year is the, let's see, which one is it in?
65:11I should know this by heart by now. Probably.
65:14Uh, I know where it is. I go to this tool all the damn time.
65:19Um, there's just so many options. You know, there's so many it's, it's insane.
65:24Um, here's what I'll do. I'll just go to the homepage and look for it.
65:28Uh, it's, it's a splits tool where we can look at the player splits comparison.
65:33That's what I was looking for. Uh, I don't, and yeah, it's, you can sort of see this on the screen, but
65:40in this tool, uh, you are able to just look at the on off splits for man coverage zone, single high too
65:47high, uh, at any position, uh, with any stats.
65:50So you can look at yards per outrun targets per outrun.
65:54Uh, I have it set up and this goes for any tool in data suite 2.0.
65:59We have views here. So if I do this, I saved this from earlier and it will take a minute, but it
66:06will just pull up exactly how I had set up this table the last time I used it.
66:12Uh, and it will just show us wide receivers and tight ends with my route minimum, uh, against man coverage here.
66:18And yeah, you can see, uh, we can sort by whatever, uh, yards per outrun against man.
66:24I have it over the last 10 games. You can go into seasons and just go multiple seasons.
66:30If you want 2025 to 2026. Uh, and you get like, yeah, Jackson Smith and Jigba, uh, 5% more efficient by yards
66:37per outrun against man coverage over this split playing the Cardinals who don't play much of it.
66:42Right. And this is how I do so much of my advanced matchups content.
66:47It's made it so much easier. So yeah, uh, anybody that's interested in all of the stuff the data suite has to
66:54offer of which there is a ton, just highly, highly recommend go to fantasy points.com use promo code DFS for 10% off.
67:01Uh, it, it will legitimately change your life, uh, just because of the amount of time you'll want to spend digging into the numbers if you enjoy that.
67:10Uh, so yeah, we can, we can move on, um, to the wide receiver position, but just wanted to show that off for everybody.
67:18No, that was, that was really cool. And I, as somebody who spent like all day today, I've been in, in the
67:25data suite has basically been all because I've been researching the slate all day and you're still showing me stuff that I'm like, Oh yeah.
67:33Like I know that I saw that you can do that somewhere, but I don't, didn't remember exactly how to do the
67:40on off splits for one player with another. I, it's funny cause I had actually been asked by a friend of mine
67:47how to do that in the data suite. And I was like, I know there's a better way to do it.
67:54I wasn't at my computer at the time. I was like, but I, I usually just like look up, you know, using
68:01one of like the, uh, weekly view tools, like when was this player out?
68:05And then I just do it manually. And so he ended up doing that, but do that.
68:11But I was like, I'm pretty sure there is a better way to do it.
68:15And yeah, the way you just showed super simple.
68:18Um, yeah, it's, it's kind of never ending the things you can do it.
68:23I can't tell you how many times in the past couple of days I've been like thinking about something that I want to look at.
68:31And, um, I don't know how to do that, but I'm like, I bet you can do this in data suite 2.0
68:38and then you figure it out pretty, pretty intuitively.
68:41Most of the time it's pretty quick. Uh, very cool.
68:44All right, let's move on to wide receivers at the top.
68:48I mean, we had the, the chalky Dak Prescott, not that surprising to see that the two chalkiest receivers on the slate are his wide receivers.
68:56CD lamb coming in at 20% ownership, George Pickens at 17.
68:59And then below them, you've got a lot of spend ups at the top.
69:04Jamar chase 16% projected ownership against Houston. That seems surprising to me.
69:08I thought, I thought Jamar chase was going to be contrarian on this slate.
69:12And then, uh, Justin Jefferson less surprising because we want to play those, uh, Viking stacks.
69:17So looking at these, these top four to start Ryan, uh, what is your level of interest and anybody that you're planning
69:24on being above the field of this, uh, top four or anybody that's a big page for you?
69:30I think all of them are reasonable plays, uh, CD and Pickens price down relative to where they would have been last year.
69:38Jamar chase. I think that's the big reason for a lot of the ownership is yeah.
69:43Jamar chase. It's 7,600 under eight K is like really hard to argue against.
69:47Uh, so I won't try to do it that hard.
69:51Um, with CD and Pickens specifically, I just think that the double that the Dak CD Pickens double is going to be extremely, extremely chalky.
69:59So that's like something you want to play around.
70:01If you are building there, um, I CD was the role was great.
70:06Uh, top 12 among all position players in XFP per team play in week one, uh, top 10 among wide receivers and
70:13overall XFP with 18.2, which is pretty good in such an insane week one slate.
70:17So I, I think he's fine. Uh, same with George Pickens.
70:21Like it Pickens is one where it's like, I wish we were getting a discount from, or like, uh, I don't know.
70:28He's like the most obvious bounce back candidate of any wide receiver this week where it's like, yeah, he lost 51 air
70:35yards due to drops in week one, which is more than that than happened over the entirety of 2025 for him.
70:42Uh, he's, he was negative five points below expectation, uh, below his XFP, which is like the worst mark he's ever had with the Cowboys.
70:50So I, I do think like, yeah, the, the bounce backs probably coming.
70:54These are good plays, but yeah, they're, they're the chalkiest guys at the top.
70:59And I, I don't have like, I don't have interest in like going over on any of them.
71:04Uh, Jefferson, we talked about earlier with Carson Wentz.
71:07I just think that stack specifically is really strong.
71:10Uh, Jefferson on the deep ball is really strong against the bears.
71:14That's a matchup I had highlighted in advanced matchup.
71:17So if I'm going over on anyone, it's probably him.
71:20Uh, but it's, yeah, I don't know. There, there's like a lot of really good wide receiver plays further down the board
71:27this week that I don't think you have to like stick to all of the chalk.
71:32I want to move just, just down, uh, one, one player down from this list is, uh, JSN is coming in at 13% ownership.
71:40I just want to throw out the stat. He had 11 first read targets last week, 61% first read target share for JSN.
71:47Um, how, how much interest do you have now that we have, uh, drew lock in as the quarterback seemed to work out.
71:55Like he, he seemed like he didn't miss a beat last week.
71:59What's your level of concern on JSN or, you know, relative to this 13% ownership at 8,100?
72:04Are you willing to eat the chop there? Are you too concerned about the, uh, the drew lock experience?
72:10It's another one where I, I wish we were getting more of like an ownership discount, but I, and maybe we ultimately
72:17will, uh, we'll see ownership can change a lot between when we record this and Sunday morning, of course.
72:23Uh, but I think he's a really good play kind of regardless of that.
72:28Um, it's an amazing schematic matchup for JSN where the Cardinals have been one of the most cover four heavy teams in
72:35the NFL dating back to the start of last season.
72:38Uh, it was a, we had highlighted last week that they retained the same defensive coordinator, a lot of the same personnel.
72:45Uh, they continued to be cover four heavy in week one.
72:49JSN averages six yards per out run against cover four, uh, dating back to last year, which is just absolutely bonkers.
72:56Uh, I've been targeted on 48% of his routes against it.
72:59And you bring up drew lock and that you're right to, because schematic matchups often are very influenced by quarterbacks and by
73:06the tendencies that like their tendencies, what they prefer to do and how they prefer to attack certain coverages with different receivers.
73:13A lot of the time it's like a quarterback split in disguise.
73:17Uh, but at the very least drew lock has been very good against cover four.
73:22Uh, going back to 2023, he would have ranked second among all quarterbacks in fantasy points per drop back against that shell.
73:29It's easily his most efficient shell throws it deep 13% of the time, which would be a top seven mark, uh, against cover four.
73:37So I do think that, and also up just, yeah, straight up based on what we saw for, from JSN for most of that week one game.
73:45I don't think that he's going to skip a beat.
73:49I think he can just do it again, basically is where I'm at on him.
73:53Uh, and the other angle is it, if we're super galaxy braining this, uh, maybe drew lock is actually good for JSN because it keeps the spread closer.
74:02It'll keep the game closer. And the biggest thing with JSN last year was he was amazing in any sort of competitive
74:09game and games that were decided by a score or less 27.4 draft Kings points per game.
74:15Uh, in games that were decided, that were decided by more than one score or that the Seahawks won by more than
74:22one score down to 16.8 draft Kings points per game.
74:25I think first half versus second half splits were like very wide for JSN last year for the same reason that a
74:32lot of the time that Seahawks just didn't need to throw for the second half of games.
74:38Uh, it's a three point spread, I believe, or somewhere around that.
74:42I think that's like the most compelling JSN argument to me is maybe being underrated by the field a little bit, uh,
74:49for a player that can nuke a slate as much as he's shown because of drew lock.
74:54But just because of those factors, I think they could actually play in his favor.
74:59I think he's quite a really strong play. Yep.
75:02Love, love that. Um, so we're, we're eating some of the chalkboard, not going too overboard for the most part with the top of the chalkboard.
75:10Um, am I correct in my assumption that in your Trevor Lawrence tax, you're going to be playing a lot of Parker
75:17Washington again, cause that looked pretty good last week.
75:20The, uh, the Parker Washington, I know you were a Washington guy this summer, uh, and last week and yeah, looking like
75:27we're, we're going to continue with the P wash train.
75:30Are you going there this week? I 100% am.
75:33Uh, Parker Washington is going to be in every single one of my Trevor Lawrence lineups.
75:38I'm probably going to have some naked Parker Washington as well.
75:42I, he, he's just a baller. He just continues to like to, to score fantasy points.
75:47And I don't know, we just continue to not project him up around the industry.
75:52And I don't really get why, uh, it's a amazing schematic matchup for him, uh, in two ways.
75:58One, we expect Pat Sertan to shadow Ryan Thomas jr is what we're projecting at fantasy points right now.
76:04Uh, Sertan, one of the few corners in the league that I think is worth like legitimately adjusting a projection and your
76:11expectations of an offense because of, uh, Parker going to stay away from him.
76:15Uh, certainly whenever he's in the slot and probably on most of his routes, uh, and the Broncos very man coverage, heavy defense.
76:23It's been Parker Washington that, uh, Lawrence has succeeded so much with as a man beater, uh, averaging almost three yards per
76:30out run against man, easily leading the team. Uh, he, yeah, he's just a, he's a great play to me, uh, in,
76:37in basically like one half of football because Lawrence only dropped back three times in the second half, uh, on non screens.
76:44Uh, yeah, Washington just, what, what was it? It was over, uh, let's see.
76:48Duh, duh, duh, duh, duh. Uh, I gotta, I gotta have these up 19.3 DK fantasy points in basically one half of
76:56play 20 expected fantasy points, a top six mark at the position.
76:59Uh, yeah, just why are we, why are we not pricing up Parker Washington and playing a ton of Parker Washington?
77:06He just won't stop. At some point, the price is going to move up.
77:11Like it just, it just has to with how good he's been for a pretty big stretch of time at this point.
77:18Yeah. Seems, seems like a strong play. Uh, you mentioned, I mean, you have interest in Caleb Williams this week and I
77:25know last week it was all on the ground.
77:28He put up 37 fantasy points with those two rushing touchdowns, 65 yards, but I don't think that we're making the assumption
77:35that it's going to be Caleb on the ground is how he's going to score most of his points every week.
77:42Are you, are you, uh, projecting or predicting, hoping for a bounce back from either of Luther Burden or Romo Dunze?
77:48Are you thinking that they're going to be going back to a Khalif Raymond as much as they did last week?
77:55How, how are you stacking up? Are you, are you playing a good amount of any of these bears, uh, wide receivers?
78:02Yeah. I mean, that's a tricky thing with Caleb is just how do you stack him?
78:07And I think it's the same dilemma. Um, I don't know that I'm going to play, uh, bears wide receivers naked or without Caleb.
78:15Um, just because I, there's like so much uncertainty there.
78:18There's so many good wide receiver plays to talk through it a little bit.
78:23Uh, a dunze is interesting just because yeah, you can see Trey has it on the screen down at a 49% snap share last week, 55% route share.
78:32Uh, he had entered the week on the injury report.
78:35He's been off the injury report, uh, all of week two.
78:38So I, I expect his role to scale up.
78:41That's probably mostly coming out of, uh, Jada Walker, uh, and probably Kaylee Framond.
78:46And some, uh, so he, it's like interesting. I don't, we just, I don't want to play Roma dunze until we actually
78:53see him back in a full-time role. Uh, it's, he was awesome for the first six weeks of 2025, uh, before his foot injury.
79:01Um, but since then it's just kind of been either not a full-time role or not effective in it.
79:07So I, I'm probably good on a dunze. I would take the shot on burden.
79:11Uh, just had this 68.4% route participation rate. You see it is a career high for him.
79:17Uh, maintained 2.4 yards per outrun on that higher route share.
79:20So that that's at least intriguing to me. Like, yeah, the, the touchdowns weren't there.
79:25Uh, I think arguably the usage could have been even better if he hadn't fumbled a screen on the first drive.
79:32Um, so yeah, I, I'm like willing to bet on the Luther burden.
79:36And bounce back. I think if I'm playing Caleb, uh, I think I like Colson Loveland more than either of the bears
79:43wide receivers in terms of Caleb Williams stacking partners.
79:46He's, uh, cheaper. He's down at 5k. Um, we talked about it last week, but he's really been leading this team in usage.
79:54Um, like since they kind of changed their offense at the end of last season, I think he's like my favorite bears pass catcher.
80:01Um, we can get to him a little bit more with the tight ends maybe, but yeah, that's so not, not like
80:08super strong feelings on, on any bears receivers this week.
80:12But I, I think, yeah, you want to play at least one of them with Caleb, I think.
80:17Yeah. I think that that is a same page there and yeah, Colson Loveland.
80:22We'll talk about once we get to the tight ends, I will say for Luther burden, he did have five first read
80:29targets last week, which was, which did trail Calif Raymond who had six, but, uh, you know, that's promising sign for, for Luther burden.
80:37I did not realize that he never got above a 68% route participation last year.
80:41That's kind of nuts, uh, given how good he was at the end of the year.
80:47Um, yeah. So, uh, for me, it would be Luther burden if I'm playing one, but yeah, uh, we'll, we'll get to Colston Loveland.
80:54Um, as far as, I mean, just thinking through some of the quarterbacks that you liked, you also liked Lamar Jackson and
81:01we're, we're anticipating that Zay flowers is going to be out.
81:05Are you going to be stacking Lamar with Rashad Bateman or any other receiver on the Ravens?
81:10I will not be playing Rashad Bateman. Um, I will be playing Mark Andrews as we can get to later with the
81:17tight ends or we, or we can talk about it now.
81:21However, however you want to, let's wait, let's wait till we get to a two tight ends.
81:26Just, just wanted to see if you had interest in Rashad Bateman, uh, since we're playing some Lamar Jackson.
81:33Um, all right, let's, let me, let me open up to you.
81:36Do you, do you have any other wide receivers that you are really enthusiastic about, um, that you need to talk about?
81:43Yeah, there's so many. Um, Trey, why don't you sort us by salary and just show me like 6k through 66k basically.
81:51And kind of, yeah. So I think this is like an absolutely loaded range this week.
81:56There are so many players I could make a case for.
81:59Um, I'll, I'll start with Garrett Wilson, I guess.
82:02He is only 6k. He has a really strong, uh, schematic matchup where we have seen, uh, the Packers shift very cover
82:09for heavy with their new defensive coordinator, Jonathan Gannon, who was with the Cardinals very cover for heavy.
82:15Same with when he was with the Eagles. Uh, that's like what I expect from, uh, sorry.
82:20Did I say the Titans at some point? The Packers Titans.
82:24I I'm all out of sorts, uh, right now, but yes, uh, the Packers are going to be cover for heavy.
82:31Garrett Wilson, uh, top three in targets per out run against cover for over the last three years behind only Drake London and JSN.
82:38Uh, I think this is interesting mostly because I think the Packers could be a horrific defense that we're targeting every single week.
82:46If we fast forward to like week six, uh, they are bottom five and EPA per drop back allowed on plays without
82:53Micah Parsons on the field going back to last year.
82:56Um, they were bottom 10 in pressure rate generated in week one.
83:00And that's like a really big note for Geno Smith, who's the most pressure sensitive quarterback in the NFL in terms of catchable throw rate, accurate throw rate.
83:09It really matters that Geno's not being pressured for supporting his receiving weapons.
83:13And that's what I expect this week is that he will have time and be able to do that for Wilson.
83:20And you get to play Wilson at 6k, uh, coming off of a week when he ranked top five and first read
83:27target chair, which is nothing new for him. The role's always been amazing with Garrett Wilson.
83:32Um, but he was, he had that role was like top 10 in XFP among wide receivers, despite the jets leading the entirety of week one.
83:40I don't think that's going to be the same thing against the Packers this week should be a much closer game as a much closer spread.
83:49Uh, if this game environment kind of shoots out, I can see Garrett Wilson posting like a really strong score.
83:55Um, the jets offense was like a pleasant surprise to me in week one in terms of like the play calling cheat codes.
84:03They were using a lot more play action. Uh, they were running from under center a lot.
84:08These are, uh, things I have written about all summer in terms of ways that play callers in the NFL can juice the efficiency of their passing games.
84:17Uh, I didn't really expect it from Frank Reich if I'm going to be honest, but Hey, potentially he's like turned over a new leaf here.
84:25Uh, so I, yeah, I think Wilson is one of the more intriguing wide receiver plays.
84:31Um, but yeah, again, there's a lot, there's a lot of 6k guys.
84:35I like, I think the, the mini stack with Wilson plus Christian Watson is really fun.
84:40Uh, or even Matthew golden. If you want to go cheaper.
84:43Um, but yeah, those are some, um, I don't know.
84:47Am I still saying names? Are you asking me names?
84:50What are we doing here now, Neil? Uh, if you have more names that you want to throw out there, um, go right ahead.
84:57I'll, I'll see if I have, I mean, DK Metcalf is a name that I'm like, sort of, I go back and
85:05forth on the extent to which I want to play DK Metcalf.
85:08But yeah, it seems like it could be a strong spot for him.
85:13Um, is he one that you have interest in?
85:15It sounds like you don't want to, but you might be forced to play some DK Metcalf.
85:21That's about where I am. I would say. Yeah.
85:24Um, we saw the sealers come out insanely pass heavy in week one, uh, top two in pass rate over expectation.
85:31Uh, that's not super surprising in terms of Mike McCarthy's history and Aaron Rogers history, uh, with Mike McCarthy.
85:37I think maybe people were mostly surprised because they were used to the Arthur Smith version of the Steelers.
85:43Uh, so yeah, the pass volume was very good.
85:46I guess like my concern, I have two concerns.
85:49Uh, one is that DK Metcalf has, has literally never been a good play, uh, or sorry, has, has never delivered, uh,
85:56in any of the weeks that he's ever been like a strong point per dollar play, which he very much is.
86:02Uh, I had really consolidated targets last week. Uh, the, the role looks great.
86:07He was getting like, yeah, I, I don't know.
86:10I'm, I'm just like out of ways to argue against DK Metcalf other than he has literally always let us down anytime.
86:17He's been a well projecting play. Um, and I, I guess number two, more, more like from a actual football analysis to give you some actual analysis.
86:26That's not me complaining about DK Metcalf. Uh, I do wonder if the Steelers are going to be pass heavy for a
86:33second week in a row, uh, after the offense didn't work that well in week one with, with them being so absurdly pass heavy.
86:40Uh, like I, I think this is another spot in week one where it's like, we have one week of data ever,
86:47everyone's really like locked in on this and thinks it's really important and impactful.
86:52But I, I, next to the Falcons, uh, and I guess the Broncos, uh, the Steelers had one, just one of the
86:59worst offensive performances in terms of efficiency, uh, yards per play, all of those stats in week one.
87:05I, maybe they decide to go a little bit more run heavy, uh, Michael Pittman out as well.
87:11They could like go more 12 personnel feature, the tight ends.
87:14Like I, I don't know. I'm not like sold on.
87:17You have to play Metcalf. Uh, I think Jalen Coker is just as interesting basically as he is and a hundred dollars cheaper.
87:25Um, yeah, yeah. I don't know if you have Coker thoughts.
87:28Yeah. I mean, it's tough because he just went off.
87:31So then you, you assume that maybe the ownership is going to get out of hand, but what do we actually have?
87:38Uh, Jalen Coker's ownership at 8%. Um, this is something that I had, I had looked at the, the split for Coker
87:46versus Tedderoa McMillan and their last six games. So they're, they're both getting 8% ownership.
87:50Tedderoa McMillan is 6,100. Coker is 5,100. Um, I don't remember exactly what the split is, but it's something like over their
87:57last six games, 15.7 fantasy points per game for Coker and like 9.96 or something for, for Tedderoa McMillan.
88:04Something ridiculous like that, where Coker is just, just mogging him.
88:07Um, you, do you think that's going to continue?
88:10Are you, are you a Coke head Ryan? I, I am.
88:13Yeah. Consider me a Coke head. Uh, I think it could continue.
88:17Yeah. I have the split in front of me over their last six games together.
88:22Uh, Coker and McMillan have the same number of targets.
88:25Uh, Coker averages more receiving yards per game, 63 to 51 more draft Kings points per game, 16 to 9.9.
88:32Um, I'm reminded of all of those awful saints teams where it was Chris Olave and Rashid Shahid as like the former
88:39round one pick and the undrafted free agent that is just perennially, perennially underrated.
88:43Uh, always like coming kind of close in terms of efficiency or overall output to the higher drafted player.
88:49And he's just always priced cheaper in DFS. Uh, I wasn't people.
88:53I can't remember which shows I did and didn't say this on last week, but I wasn't as convinced on Coker last
89:00week, just because the downfield role wasn't there as much, uh, throughout 2025.
89:05That certainly changed last week. He caught a deep touchdown.
89:08Uh, yeah, I don't know. I, I mentioned, I think I have like game environment concerns, play volume concerns in this game,
89:15but I think in the 5k range, uh, yeah.
89:18Coker grosses me out less than DK Metcalf grosses me out is, is how I would put this.
89:24Uh, it's a strong schematic matchup as well. Uh, Falcons play a lot of single high, a lot of cover for, uh,
89:31those are some of the better shells for Jalen Coker.
89:34So, so he's pretty, he's pretty good to me.
89:37I think I'll have, I will have more Coker than Metcalf or at least I'll feel better about any Coker I have than any Metcalf I have.
89:45All right. Strong, strong endorsement for, for Jalen Coker being less gross than DK Metcalf.
89:50Yeah. And I think that the price tag is, is pretty nice there.
89:54Um, I do have, so teams that I want to ask you about.
89:59So you, we talked about, you brought up Bo Nix as somebody that might be interesting.
90:04Do you know who you're stacking Bo Nix with?
90:07Is it just Jalen Waddle? Do you have interest in, in Pat Bryant?
90:11Um, what are you thinking about, uh, potential stacking partners if you do play some Bo Nix?
90:16It would probably, and to be clear that the Bo Nix discussion was very hypothetical for me.
90:22I don't know that I'm playing Bo Nix. Uh, it would probably just be Waddle for me.
90:27Um, you, you mentioned that, uh, yeah, Sean Payton told his wife, uh, to draft Jalen Waddle in fantasy.
90:33Uh, that I, I would never wish, wish ill on anybody else's marriage, but man, that, that one's gotta have been rough, uh, after week one.
90:42Yeah. I don't know. I, I think Waddle's just tough because at, as I mentioned, there's so many 6k wide receivers.
90:48I like Waddle is kind of priced toward the higher end of that.
90:53I think just like Garrett Wilson is just a better play.
90:56I think Christian Watson's just a better play. Uh, I think like Lad McConkie, if he plays is probably just a better play.
91:03Uh, there's other guys, Mike Evans, I think is a better play than Jalen Waddle.
91:08So it's tough. That's probably, I guess if I were playing Nix, that's where I'd go.
91:13Uh, Brian is fine. Yeah. Led the, led the team in target share last week.
91:18Uh, that's another one though, where it's like, are the Broncos coming out of week one happy about how their offense performed
91:25and saying, we're going to want to like replicate this.
91:28Where Pat Bryant is leading the team in targets.
91:31I think Bryant's a good player to be clear.
91:34I think he probably overtakes Cortland Sutton eventually this season.
91:37And just in terms of overall playing time involvement in the offense.
91:41Um, but yeah, I, my guess would be if the Broncos are pivoting and making an adjustment, it's, oh, we're really making
91:48sure that Jalen Waddle gets the ball in his hands this week.
91:52Uh, so that's where, that's how I would play it.
91:55Yeah. Yeah. Brian is such a tough one for me because he's one of the players that I am most cheering for
92:03this year, just based on my bags. I drafted a ton, uh, in, in best ball, want him to surpass Cortland Sutton
92:10and like such a mixed bag from week one.
92:13I mean, like you said, led the team in target share led team five first read targets for Pat Bryant.
92:19I don't think anybody expected that week one for, for Pat Bryant to lead the team in first read target shares, but
92:26he also had two kind of important, um, offensive holding calls.
92:30And then I forget what the other, I think just, oh, a bad drop.
92:34He also, he had a bad drop that was on a third down.
92:38I believe that would have probably been a first down.
92:41Uh, and then in the fourth quarter when they really needed to, to make something happen, they had him off the field
92:48for, for, uh, big chunks of it. So yeah, some, some concern that Pat Bryant, like, you know, they, they wanted to
92:56see what they had in him and he did not have a great first showing in that game.
93:01Um, so yeah, not sure what to make of that, but then, uh, another, another team that again, I have interest in play.
93:09And so you haven't even expressed a ton of interest in playing this, but if you do play some Drake, man, I
93:16think you mentioned that you have interest in one receiver on the Patriots.
93:20So who would be your choice, uh, of receiver on the Patriots?
93:24I'll tell you, uh, first I'm just realizing though, now that we're talking about the Patriots, I totally forgot to bring up
93:31Ramondre Stevenson in the running back section. I think he's a really fun play.
93:35Uh, I, I just don't buy at all that Travion Henderson is going to be that involved.
93:41Uh, Stevenson was a massive bell cow in week one.
93:44The efficiency sucked. Everyone got to make fun of him for, uh, looking slow against one of the best run defenses in the league last week.
93:52But the workload was amazing. Uh, Stevenson, uh, has his price too cheap for his output, uh, in games.
93:59The Patriots have won even with Travion. So he's one I would consider, uh, may I, and I mean, with the receiving
94:06role, maybe he's even fine to play with Drake may that might be a little thin.
94:11Um, but the receiver, I would play with Drake may, uh, or that I'm just interested in as a punt option in general.
94:18Uh, pop Douglas, he's 3,800. Uh, oh, it came down to 3% projected ownership.
94:23I had him at 5% earlier. So even better, uh, relative to what I was talking about on caching points.
94:29Um, but he just was the most involved receiver, uh, in terms of route participation, uh, went up to 81% in the second half without AJ Brown.
94:38Uh, he had five of his seven targets come against cover three, uh, that the Seahawks were playing.
94:44The Steelers, uh, play a ton of cover three.
94:46Uh, their defensive coordinator came over from the Raiders last year.
94:50He was leading the NFL in cover three usage the entire season.
94:54Uh, they did the same exact thing in week one.
94:57So, yeah, five of Douglas's seven targets came against cover three last week.
95:01He was targeted on 40% of his routes against it, uh, four more against cover three than anyone else on the team.
95:08Uh, even if you always want to widen the sample, he has a 15% boost to his targets per run against that
95:15shell, uh, going back to last season. So I think Douglas would be my choice here.
95:20Um, I think you, you can maybe argue like the upside, but I don't know that you need that much of like
95:28a downfield role, uh, for a third. $3,800 receiver, especially if you're playing him with Drake may, or even if you're playing
95:35him as a punt, I, he can easily get there, uh, just with strong usage and a touchdown.
95:40Uh, he, I don't know. I I'm, I'm a scorned Patriots fan.
95:44I probably should have brought that up earlier when you, yeah.
95:48When you were talking about Drake may, I have like a negative bias against all Patriots in terms of fantasy football.
95:55Uh, I try very hard not to let my fandom or my bias come into my analysis, but with the Patriots, I
96:02think I'm often more pessimistic than, uh, I should be.
96:05And I I'm very pessimistic in terms of, I can't believe that this team got rid of Kayshawn Booty for absolutely nothing.
96:12Uh, just for AJ Brown to immediately get injured.
96:15Like why so ridiculous that you as an NFL football team are like, we have too many good receivers.
96:21We have too many good role players. Like that's so insane to me.
96:25Um, but yeah, so we're stuck with pop Douglas, but I think the team very much wants to make this a thing and like prove themselves right.
96:34In terms of that evaluation that, uh, we're going out and acquiring AJ Brown so that he can just post up on the outside.
96:41So pop Douglas can be featured in the slot.
96:44Uh, I think that's like where the team is at right now.
96:48So that's where I would go in DFS for week two.
96:52Yeah, no, I, I like the pop Douglas shout.
96:55He is, I had all, all three of the, um, remaining receivers as like, I think pretty good.
97:00Uh, not wouldn't make my 20, like if I just played 20 lineups, they probably wouldn't make my feel, but I think
97:07all of pop Douglas, Matt Collins and Romeo Dobbs probably do make that list.
97:12But I do think pop is, is probably the best of that group.
97:16Six first three targets last week for pop Douglas.
97:19Um, yeah, that, that was, uh, I had some hope that he was going to be like a step into that slot role.
97:26Obviously that came to fruition. He had, I believe five catches for a total of 20 yards.
97:32So like didn't really, uh, produce in the way we want him to, but I think the upside is, is obviously higher than that.
97:40Um, and then that kind of shows you the, I wouldn't call it the floor, but like the, the likely floor of, of, uh, pop Douglas.
97:48So I, I do like that shout. Um, Matt Collins is, you know, I think that they traded Keishon booty because they,
97:55they just want an excuse to play Matt Collins.
97:58Just, I think teams that have Matt Collins just love him.
98:01And I, or I think that the Patriots at least seem to really love Matt Collins.
98:07It's funny because you look at the splits quarter to quarter.
98:10It was, he ran one, one route in the, each of the first two quarters of the game.
98:16And then the second half, uh, with, with AJ Brown out, we had, uh, Matt Collins stepped up and ran five routes in the third quarter.
98:24And then 14 in the fourth quarter, they just seem to seem to pick up steam.
98:29Seems like the team loves him. Drake may love him.
98:33So I think that he's like, he's one that nobody's going to want to play, but like, you just look at the
98:40game log of, of, uh, Matt Collins and he just has too many good games for me to really say like, oh yeah, you can't go there.
98:48He just like, he keeps proving me wrong when I don't want to play Matt Collins.
98:53He feels so boring and then keeps putting up, you know, 15, 16 fantasy point games.
98:59Um, but then I do think like Romeo Dobbs is, uh, intriguing from the just bounce back perspective.
99:04Like he really, really bad game last week. We had, uh, three targets.
99:09I believe two of them, uh, fantasy points charted as being catchable targets.
99:13One of them, an actual drop for Romeo Dobbs didn't have the role that we thought he was going to have, or
99:20at least I thought he was going to have 69% route participation, three targets.
99:24You see it on the screen. Um, so really poor, poor game, both for the way he played and also for the
99:31way he was used, uh, being a lot less than expected, but now AJ Brown is out.
99:37I kind of think, uh, we, we probably see, we continue to see Dobbs and, um, nobody's going to, going to want
99:44to play him after the just totally terrible game last week.
99:47So, so for a large field tournament, I don't hate the idea of playing just a little bit of Romeo Dobbs, probably only in Drake may stacks.
99:56Um, but I think he's at least, at least viable in those.
100:00Um, all right, let's, let's move on. Did you have you, have you thought of any other receivers that you are particularly
100:07interested in that we have not yet talked about?
100:10Uh, or if you want me to, I can try to find some other names to throw at you.
100:16Uh, I don't have anyone else that I think we like have to talk about.
100:21There's other guys I like if you want to throw names at me, but we, we can move on.
100:27We can do whatever you want here. Uh, if you want more wide receivers, uh, go, go read slate breakdown.
100:33Uh, Jake trivia and Graham Barfield are writing up a ton of them.
100:38Go listen to Sunday morning update with, uh, Scott Barrett and Johnny Proctor as well.
100:42Uh, with your fantasy point subscription, you can get in our discord and listen to that show.
100:48Uh, extremely valuable content. So yeah, I think that's whatever you want to do, Neil.
100:53Yeah, no, I think we can move on. Cause I think we have, we've talked about all of the receivers that I
101:00am like really trying to play a lot of, I guess, uh, one more, just, uh, a meat gag book.
101:06I want to throw out there. Um, although I started digging into it, he did not have as good of a role
101:13as I seem to remember as I was rooting for Chris Godwin last week.
101:18It felt like they were just peppering a meat gag book.
101:21Um, and then, uh, looking at the data suite was not quite the same role that I thought, but, uh, we, we
101:28talked about how this might be a sneaky good matchup against Cleveland.
101:32Um, I do think that a book is probably my favorite to play for Tampa.
101:37Um, but do you have any, he's kind of expensive, but I don't know, six targets, 81% route participation.
101:43Uh, would, would he be your stacking partner? Or if you do go to some, uh, some Baker Mayfield five first retargete last week.
101:51Yeah, he would be. Um, I, I mentioned earlier, I like the Buccaneers from like a team regression standpoint.
101:57Um, a booker was the player being targeted when the Buccaneers were using motion at the snap.
102:02So, uh, this was like my big case on Chris Godwin coming into the season was Zach Robinson's their new offensive coordinator.
102:09He is the king of getting his players into motion at the snap.
102:14That was like the Drake London and Bijan Robinson receiving cheat code last year was they would just be in motion at the snap.
102:21It would free them up, uh, just to get the ball in, in the hands of his best playmakers.
102:27Uh, and I thought Chris Godwin could be used like that because he was back in 2024, uh, in sort of a similar style of offense.
102:36Uh, but it was a Bucca in week one.
102:39He had six targets, uh, just on those plays.
102:42Only one target with motion at the snap for Chris Godwin.
102:45So I, I do think if there's, uh, like a Buccaneers offensive blow up this week, it's probably via Mecca Bucca.
102:52Um, I, I like him. I, I think I'm probably more inclined to play him as a one-off, but then again, there's so many 6k range receivers.
103:01I like that. How much will I actually get to is questionable.
103:04Um, but yeah, he's awesome. Uh, I think I mentioned Mike Evans, his name earlier.
103:09He, he's an amazing play to me as well.
103:12Uh, for similar reasons to Brock Purdy. Uh, yeah, I think that's pretty good.
103:17Honestly. Yeah. I think we, we've covered all the most important receivers that we want to talk about.
103:22He was just the last one on my list that I was like, I want to hear your thoughts on it.
103:29So let's move on to tight ends. Let's start looking at the chalk at tight end.
103:34And at the top, you, I think you've already said that, uh, you, you'd like to play some Mark Andrews in your
103:41Lamar Jackson stacks, but he's 21% projected ownership. Are you going to go to Mark Andrews outside of Lamar Jackson stacks?
103:48And do you think you'll match the field? Um, at 21%.
103:52Yeah, it is sad because I was expecting him to not be that highly owned and then Zay Flowers gets ruled out
103:59and yeah, he comes way up in ownership projection.
104:02Understandably so. Um, I think if you're playing Andrews, you're largely playing him for the touchdown equity.
104:07Uh, he has going back to last season, 10 end zone targets, which is double anybody else on the Ravens.
104:13Um, it's more than every other tight end in the NFL, but aside from Brock Bowers and Trey McBride, if I'm remembering correctly.
104:21So you're getting a really awesome red zone role with him.
104:24Um, but like if you're asking in terms of outside of Lamar Jackson stacks, can he fail as chalk?
104:30Uh, yeah, absolutely. Like the Mark Andrews loves dropping the ball in the end zone.
104:35Are you kidding me? Uh, so yeah, I, I don't know that there are a lot of tight end plays.
104:42I really like this week. So out outside of those like Ravens game stacks, I do think it makes sense to get
104:49away from him where that ends up coming in, whether I'm above or below the field.
104:54I'm not sure, but that's like how I would treat it.
104:57Dalton Schultz. Uh, we have no Nico Collins for Houston.
105:01The wide receivers are all pretty gross. The remaining wide receivers on Houston.
105:05Uh, yeah, uh, against Cincinnati. We've, we've been attacking Cincinnati for 30 years.
105:09Uh, as long as I've been playing fantasy football, I think we've been attacking Cincinnati with tight ends.
105:15That's an exaggeration, but it feels like a long time.
105:18We've been attacking Cincinnati with tight ends. Do you want to do it this week with Dalton Schultz?
105:243,200, 19% ownership. I really don't like Dalton Schultz feels like being forced to eat my vegetables as a kid.
105:30And I, I like do not want to have any sort of $3,200, 19% owned Dalton Schultz in my lineups.
105:37I don't know. I just failed at that, at that metaphor, but like, dude, that's so gross.
105:42It's so boring. Uh, Schultz does not have slate breaking upside to me whatsoever.
105:47Uh, over the last three seasons, he's hit 15 DraftKings points only five times.
105:51Uh, he has never hit more than 11.3 DraftKings points in a game without Nico Collins.
105:56Uh, he was like banged up in some of those games, but like his splits without Collins are not actually that good.
106:03Uh, and actually, well, to be clear, that's like 3X.
106:07That is good. You're happy in cash if you play Dalton Schultz and that's like the result, I suppose.
106:13But yeah, I don't know, man. Like I, I, he doesn't scare me whatsoever.
106:17I think there are other tight ends I would rather play.
106:21Um, I'm, I'm worried that the Texans passing game is just not very good this week.
106:26I'm worried they go very run heavy. Uh, they were at a negative two and a half percent P-Row in the games that Nico missed last year.
106:35That's yeah. I, I'm just, I, I'm, I'm good.
106:37With Schultz. I think I'll, I'll try to be below the field.
106:41I would say. I'm just, I'm, I'm, I'm using the, uh, because you can do multiple seasons now.
106:47I was just going to start with 2025. The, the differential between, uh, the fantasy points that Cincinnati gives up to tight
106:54ends and the next worst team as far as defending tight ends.
106:58Um, but it's not getting that much better as I extend seasons, but I'll just, uh, the, the four most recent seasons
107:05they've given up more than a hundred fantasy points.
107:08Uh, more than the next worst, uh, Miami to two tight ends.
107:12It, I thought it was going to make my case stronger and stronger looking through all the past seasons, but yeah, they
107:19just, they gave up a lot more last year to tight ends than any other defense.
107:24This might be a better Cincinnati defense than we've, than we've seen in the past though.
107:29So it might not be quite the same smash defense.
107:32Um, as long as we're still looking at the, let's look at the next two in terms of chalk.
107:38And then I know we're going to, we're going to talk about Colson Loveland also, but we have Michael Mayer at 13% projected ownership.
107:46Kind of let people down last week. Uh, but Brock Bowers out again this week.
107:51Are we going back there? And then also Trey McBride, um, just continues to, to absolutely crush fantasy football.
107:57Um, so what, what, what is your level of interest?
108:00I think you'll be above the field on either of mayor or McBride, or is either of them a big fade for you?
108:08Uh, neither is a big fade. I think I'm more willing to give Michael Mayer another chance than I am to play a bunch of Dalton Schultz.
108:16So I think if, if I'm paying down at tight end, that's like kind of where I'm starting is with mayor.
108:23Uh, it it's basically just the same type of cases last week.
108:27Like the usage was there. The fantasy points were not that that's fine.
108:31Uh, I don't have that much to say on it, but he's okay to me.
108:36Uh, Trey McBride is legit, really interesting. Um, I think the way I, we talked about JSN a good amount earlier.
108:43I think the way I want to play it is, and I have, I haven't, uh, like experimented that much with building
108:50yet, but in my head, the way I want to play it is just the McBride JSN mini.
108:56I think paying up at tight end and paying up to JSN might get you down to like some five, six K
109:03range running backs and get you a little bit different in that way.
109:07It's just like a different way to build that maybe we could, uh, experiment with, but McBride's really, really compelling to me.
109:14Um, 22 draft Kings points per game in games with Jacoby Brissett the last two years.
109:19Uh, that would be wide receiver two on the slate.
109:22He's priced as just the wide receiver seven. Uh, if you imagined he were a wide receiver, uh, it's a good schematic matchup.
109:30The Seahawks play a lot of zone coverage. McBride has feasted against zone in particular, uh, especially relative to Marvin Harrison, Michael Wilson.
109:37Uh, so I think he's a really fun one.
109:40I I'm just like done overthinking McBride is kind of where I'm at very similarly to Javante Williams, as we were talking
109:47about where I was lower on McBride, like relative to where he was going in seasonal.
109:52Um, but I, like, I, I just feel like the industry just massively overthought it.
109:57Like we nuked him down into the mid late third round because we thought the Cardinals would throw less, but like they're,
110:04I don't know, they're going to be trailing every game.
110:07Like, what are we, what are we doing? Uh, so yeah, Trey McBride play him.
110:12He's another one. I'm just happy to quickly pivot back onto in week two after the usage we saw in week one,
110:19uh, was effectively the same as it was all of last year with Brissette.
110:24So he he's fun. He's a good play to me.
110:27I think Colson lovely. We already talked about Colson Loveland being the pass catcher you're most interested in on the bears.
110:34Uh, so I know you have interest. What, what is your level of interest in Colson Loveland?
110:39It's pretty high. Um, I was worried there. It's, it's so funny in DFS.
110:44Like sometimes you get the big ownership discounts on the guys that fail.
110:48And sometimes you don't at all. Like we aren't getting an ownership discount on George Pickens.
110:53We are on Colson Loveland, I guess, uh, at the same exact price that he was at last week, which we already
111:00thought was far too low for what his role was.
111:03Uh, Loveland ran the most routes of any player on the bears last week, 84.2% route participation, just an elite number.
111:10You'd be super happy with any wide receiver running that many routes.
111:14Uh, and over our wider sample, if we go all the way back to the bears by, uh, in like week five
111:21of 2025, since then Loveland averages 2.25 yards per route run.
111:24Uh, of course it was a zero last week, but even including that game in the sample, that's more efficient than Brock Bowers was as a rookie.
111:33That's more efficient than Trey McBride was over that exact same span.
111:37Uh, so yeah, Loveland's legitimately really exciting to me, uh, as, as a 5k tight end.
111:42Um, if it really is that the field is off of him now, uh, or at least that he's single digit ownership,
111:49that that's something I really want to make sure I attack.
111:53Uh, even outside of like lineups on playing Caleb in, I think Loveland is, yeah, that that's just a really fun play to me.
112:00Yeah. My, my prediction is that he comes in at double digits just because I think everybody like can see it like,
112:07oh, that's obviously like, this is too, too sharp.
112:10We're all going to want to do the same thing because he's projected four single digits around the industry.
112:16But I kind of feel like everybody's going to do the same thing.
112:21And then like, yeah, we're going to end up with, you know, 14% Loveland, which is still fine probably, but, um, yeah, well, we'll see.
112:29I could be wrong about that. He's being projected pretty low.
112:32Um, so let me open it up to you.
112:35Who are just some of your favorite tight ends in the interest of, you know, getting us out of here, uh, relatively
112:42soon, um, to tell me about some of your favorites.
112:45Um, there's one that I wanted to keep paywalled.
112:48I think in advanced matchups, uh, you, Scott Barrett tells me I need to paywall more of these players guys.
112:55Sorry. I give out so many of them from our content at fantasy points on this show.
113:00I can't give every single one. Um, but yeah, there is another tight end that I wrote up, uh, that I think is really, really strong.
113:08Um, honestly, there's been some hints throughout the show as to who it is.
113:13You guys can probably guess. Uh, I'm just trying to think of a second one that I can throw out other, uh, than him.
113:21Um, I don't know. Why don't you throw, why don't you like throw a couple of names at me and I'll just go say yes or no.
113:29And I don't have to expand unless it's a yes.
113:33George Kittle. Oh yes. Yeah. That's, that's who I just should have brought up probably.
113:37Um, yeah, I, we talked about it a little bit with Christian McCaffrey, but Kittle was yeah, on a limited route share last week.
113:45I, it was in, in the forties, I believe.
113:48Um, yeah, 47% route share. Uh, two of his five targets were on designed reads.
113:53He was the first read on all the other ones.
113:56There was clearly like intentional usage for Kittle and on the very first drive, he ran the most routes of any pass
114:03catcher on the team, eight routes on the first drive, four targets on that first drive.
114:08I think what happened is they say, all right, we're going halfway around the world to Australia.
114:14Uh, George is like, you're, you're going to play the first drive and see how you look.
114:19He, I mean, he looked awesome. He continued, he commanded all of these targets.
114:24They built the game plan around him kind of for that first look.
114:28Uh, and then that was like most of the routes and involvement that he saw in the game.
114:34Uh, I think very easily George Kittle for a player that I, I, now I wish I had the historical splits on
114:41hand, but George Kittle in terms of games above 15 DraftKings points, 20 DraftKings points over the past three to four seasons
114:48is up there with Trey McBride, with Bowers, with prime Travis Kelsey.
114:52Like this guy's ceiling is amazing. Uh, the 49ers have the highest implied total of any team this week.
114:58Kittle's only 4,600. Yeah. That's, that's an awesome play.
115:01I, I obviously play him with rock Purdy. I even, I, I would say like similar price range to Mark Andrews.
115:07I think you're almost making a similar bet, except I it's, yeah, it's a, it's a better team total.
115:13And Kittle is like, I don't know, even post Achilles Kittle, I might take over wash Mark Andrews right now.
115:20So yeah, that, that's like a really fun kind of pivot there.
115:24I think Dallas Goddard. Um, he's okay, I guess.
115:27Yeah. TJ Hawkinson. Um, I can't remember if I mentioned him, Jake Tribby really likes him in the Carson Wentz stacks, or
115:34if you want to double Carson Wentz, I think that makes sense, uh, for where he's priced, um, relative to, yeah, to
115:41Dalton Schultz, Michael Mayer, you get a nice ownership discount if you're making a game script bet there.
115:46I think he's, yeah, I think he's decent. All right.
115:50Is that enough? Should we, uh, should we move on and make some lineups?
115:54I think, yeah, let's make some lineups. Starting with our first lineup.
115:58Do you, do you want to start with the, uh, the stack and you can include everybody from you, you know, your
116:05quarterback, the stack, the bring back, if you want to, or would you rather have me start the first one?
116:12You can pick for the first stack and I'll, and I'll choose the second stack in our second lineup.
116:18Okay. Um, let's see. I would like to start with, um, I guess I'll, I'll do one that we're both in on Carson Wentz.
116:25I want to do Wentz with Jefferson. I think I might, I'm debating if I want to do a double stack.
116:32Um, I'm actually going to do kind of a, I'm going to do Wentz with Jefferson and no, cause I want to
116:39leave you with the opportunity to do another wide receiver also.
116:43So maybe I won't do the Addison double stack.
116:46I'll do Wentz with Jefferson. And then I like the, the Luther burden bring back, I think better than you do.
116:52So this is one where I'm going to, going to force you into a player that you probably won't get to a ton of elsewhere.
117:00So we'll start with Wentz Jefferson burden. And then I'll, I'll let you add on a player that you like.
117:07Okay. Um, cheap quarterback. I'm a little tempted to pay up at tight end with Trey McBride.
117:12So we, we can take it out if it ends up not working, but I think that's kind of a fun way to, to start off.
117:21All right, let's do that. Um, now we need, we, we probably want to save some salary, especially if I'm now I'm
117:28thinking about, are we going to do a JSN bring back for, for Trey McBride?
117:33Well, we'll see if we, if we actually can do that.
117:36Uh, but I'm thinking I might want to save a little bit of money at running back.
117:42And I think we have a fairly chalky start with, I think Wentz will probably come in higher than 5% owned.
117:48Uh, Jefferson's certainly going to be a bit chalky.
117:51Um, so I'm, I'm thinking I might want to save a little bit of, uh, get a little bit off the board
117:58at running back and also save some salary. So, and actually this is one where now I'm thinking the other way, Aaron
118:05Jones could work with the Carson Wentz stack, but I'm going to go with, uh, your galaxy brain play here.
118:12Basial Tootin 5,600, 1% projected ownership. I think that's plenty off the board for a lineup that was, you know, starting to
118:19look chalky, but I, but I liked that call out of Basial Tootin.
118:23So now we still have 48, 50 left per play.
118:26What do you want to do? Ooh, I like that.
118:29We probably, yeah, with this lineup, we just need to stay cheap at running back.
118:34Uh, show, show me like the 6k range. I know you don't like Javante.
118:39Uh, we can do Javante. If you like Javante, I'm going to play some Javante.
118:44Okay. Let's, let's put Javante in for now. Uh, if we need like the 300 or 400 to go to like Bucky
118:51or Chuba or whatever, I think that's fine too.
118:53Keep in mind, but yeah. All right. So I'm going to go to defense.
118:58Um, I could just go all the way down to like the Titans.
119:02I think are fine, but I'm going to, I'm going to try going a little bit higher first.
119:08Um, cause I don't think I want to pay all the way down.
119:12Let's see, man. It's, it's kind of tough, uh, as far as pay downs go.
119:17Cause I'm, I kind of just want to play, uh, the Panthers against, uh, Cooper rush.
119:22I think they have a decent defense. Cooper rush pretty bad.
119:26I don't know if they're going to throw it enough for, you know, the Panthers defense to take advantage, but I'm going to start there.
119:34I think I'm going to go to a Panthers defense against Cooper rush.
119:38Actually, Cincinnati sort of interesting too. I'll go Panthers.
119:41I'll go Panthers. Yeah. I think those are both good.
119:44Um, okay. I'm trying to do mental math here.
119:47Uh, show me how much JSN is. 80, 101.
119:50Okay. Uh, and we, so we can't do it.
119:53He's the only receiver that we don't have. Yeah.
119:55I was, my thought here was to do JSN plus pop Douglas.
119:59Um, maybe that's a little too cute. We could probably fit it if we squeezed out defense and like Javante.
120:06Maybe. What if we go down to the Titans defense?
120:09Maybe. Yeah. And then we can, and then we can blow.
120:13Let's, let's see what this looks like. Oh, 2800.
120:15So I think pop Douglas is 3800. Maybe. Maybe.
120:18Yes. So yeah, we'd have to go down even further.
120:22Yeah. This probably won't work. You can go, you can take JSN out and go back to what you wanted.
120:28Probably. All right. That's a bummer that we can't, uh, cause I'm, you know, we could, I was thinking we could go down to Chuba or something.
120:37Um, but let's, uh, yeah, let's try something else at wide receiver.
120:40Um, what do you, uh, who else do you like at receiver for our, you know, relative payup or we could do,
120:48you know, uh, another running back in the flex of the relative payup.
120:52Yeah. Um, scroll, scroll down a little at receiver.
120:55Uh, I'm just trying to think if I'm weaving, there's like nobody at 49 or 48.
121:00That's any good. So like maybe Parker, he was 58, right?
121:0359 59. Is there a 5k flex player that you don't hate?
121:07I mean, Loveland, we could always play Loveland as another bring back.
121:11That's actually really fun. Um, that's like very unique double tight end.
121:15Uh, yeah, you get still get Loveland as the bring back, which is like the one we might've wanted McBride, basically a
121:22wide receiver in this lineup, which I, I, as we talked about earlier, I think is fine.
121:27Uh, yeah. So I, and I believe I, I'm just assuming the Seattle game is later, so I'm going to, uh, swap
121:34them and then it just looks like, yeah, we've got McBride as the wide receiver.
121:39There you go. Beauty. I think that works. So we've got Carson Wentz with Justin Jefferson bring backs of Luther burden.
121:46And Colston Loveland. We also have Basial Tootin as our total dark throw 1% projected ownership.
121:51Javante Williams, Parker, Washington, Colston, Loveland, uh, uh, Trey McBride and the Titans defense.
121:56I had a fruit fly attack me right as I was reading that off.
122:00It threw me off. Um, but yeah, I think that that, uh, that lineup works.
122:05So I'm going to enter that one and then we'll do one more.
122:09Um, and you can choose who you like, uh, as the stack.
122:13Ooh. Um, for my one stack, let's do, let's do, well, we, we did, uh, we did, we did, we did in 5,900.
122:20Um, do you want to bring back or anything in this one?
122:24Um, I don't, so I think the best bring back last week was the Jaguars defense.
122:29Um, for if you were stacking the Jaguars, I I'm tempted to say similar this week.
122:35Like what if we, because Trevor Lawrence will just be so greedy on these turnovers with these short fields.
122:41Uh, if they, the Broncos continue to be a mess on offense and turn the ball over, like is, is that compelling?
122:48I don't, I don't know. You want to play the, the, I don't hate it.
122:53It's, it's not something not many people will do Trevor Lawrence stack with the Jaguars defense, but I don't hate that.
122:59Um, we are 2400. They're 24. Yeah, they're only 24.
123:02That's, that's good. Yeah, it does seem pretty good.
123:05All right. Let's, let's try it. Let's, let's do something weird.
123:09Okay. Uh, all right. And then what do I want to do at running back?
123:14I think that, I mean, relatively inexpensive this, this, uh, you know, as a start.
123:19Um, so I will go to. I think McCaffrey McCaffrey at 8,000.
123:22Uh, just, I think we agree that he is a very strong play and I'll throw it back to you.
123:29Um, let's go. Ooh, can we, can we do the Garrett Wilson, Christian Watson mini?
123:34Yeah. Let's do that. Wilson, Christian Watson, 6200. Okay.
123:37Um, now what else do I want to do at running back?
123:40We still have 52, 33 left per player. So we could do, you know, kind of a cheaper tight end potentially and
123:47get to a couple more, you know, uh, reasonably priced running backs.
123:51So I am going to start by going to Derek Henry at 7,200.
123:55Um, and now we, if we go to a cheaper tight end, we could get, you know, pay up a little bit
124:03of flex, but, uh, what are you thinking? Do you want to, do you want to choose the flex or choose a tight end?
124:10Um, I'll, I'll pick the tight end, the cheap tight end.
124:14Uh, probably Michael mayor is what I'm thinking. Um, yeah.
124:17Yeah. Let's see where that leads us to mayor.
124:20It's a plenty unique lineup with Trevor and Jack's D I think.
124:24Yeah. The question is, are there any players we like at 4900?
124:2849 sucks. Yeah. Maybe, maybe we do pay down.
124:30I mean, we could do the, the, the stack with, uh, Parker Washington and Jacobi Myers.
124:36Uh, he looked pretty good point per dollar in the fantasy points projection.
124:40So he's one that we could consider, but, uh, otherwise Dallas Goddard's there at 4,800.
124:45Um, I'd say he's playable BTJ also. We could do that.
124:48So multiple ways to do the double stack there.
124:51Matthew golden at 4,700. I don't hate that either.
124:54Um, you want to play Watson and golden with no Jordan love is, are we too good?
124:59Too thin there? Or I don't, you tell me you're the D you're the DFS genius.
125:05Like that's not my department, but yeah, it's, it is, it's playable.
125:08Um, you know, if you kind of assume that Matthew golden is just getting eight receptions for a hundred yards and no
125:15touchdown, like there, there's ways that they can both hit without Jordan love hitting with the, the way drafting scoring works.
125:22Um, so I'd say it's, it is something that I'm willing to do.
125:26It's not my favorite way to build when I'm, when I'm hand building.
125:31Cause it is like most of the time, if they both go off in a way that you need, like probably Jordan
125:38love is putting up a big score too. Um, yeah.
125:41What else is there though? So we could swap Watson to golden and then you can have like a real flex player
125:48and keep like the thesis of the lineup. Um, we, we could also just swap mayor down to slightly, I mean, Hawkinson is a hundred dollars cheaper.
125:57Then you get up to the Colson Loveland or the $5,000 tier.
126:00Um, or I, you don't want to play Schultz so we can, we can skip past Schultz, uh, trying to think if
126:08there are any other, yeah, that, that would probably be the, the cheaper tight end option.
126:13If we are, are there $5,000 players that are worth getting to?
126:17Cause obviously we, we just played Loveland. We could play Loveland again.
126:20Dobson Dobbs, QJ, Coker at 51 would be my target probably, but yeah, you need 200 for it.
126:26Yeah. Um, and then Kate Otten is fine, but not super exciting.
126:30Yeah. Bring back. Like, yeah, I don't, I don't know.
126:33I threw his name out on catching points, but I did not mean it whatsoever.
126:38Yeah. I have an anger. And you, you're, I mean, I think I'm more into Schultz than you are, but I'm not,
126:45he's, he's not one I'm going to force you to play.
126:49Um, so are there any of these $4,900 players we should consider, or would you rather get away from, uh, what did you want to do the Watson?
126:58Just, just swap Watson to Matthew Golden, which is like sacrilege.
127:01If the pre week one version of me knew that I was doing that, yeah, would have been really upset and concerned.
127:08But now, yeah, you have a lot to play with here.
127:12Um, so there is Devante again. Uh, I like a Buka a bit.
127:16Um, yeah, there's still, we just took out Watson.
127:19We could, we could go Bucky Irving. Yeah. I like that.
127:22I hate that. I like that a lot. That's a good lineup.
127:26Yeah. We're leaving 300 on the table. I think I'm okay.
127:30Leaving 300 on the table. Uh, of course with that, then you're, you know, hoping that McCaffrey outscores B John straight up.
127:37Cause he, we could pay up for B John there.
127:40Um, there are other ways to play this, but I think this, this lineup works.
127:45I think these players could, you know, score those and you're not really hitting, trying to hit perfection in, uh, these, uh, full slates anyway.
127:53So the lineup is Trevor Lawrence with Parker Washington and the Jaguars defense.
127:57Nobody from Denver. Then we have Christian McCaffrey, Derek Henry, Garrett Wilson, and Matthew golden, little mini, um, Michael Mayer, and then Bucky Irving.
128:05This one leaves 300 on the table. I think it works.
128:08I like it. I think this is a fun lineup.
128:12Yeah. There you go. I like this one. I, I feel like the, I feel like I ruined our first one by jamming McBride into it, honestly.
128:20Um, but I, so I like that one better.
128:23I mean, sometimes it's not the ones you love that win though.
128:27I think they both think they both have a shot.
128:30Um, all right. That's going to do it though for the show.
128:34This was a lot of fun. Episode two, uh, made, made some lineups.
128:38Hopefully we can at least cash one of these again.
128:41Hopefully it's at the top of the tournament though.
128:44It's really what we're hoping for. Um, Ryan, what else, where, where else can people find you coming up, uh, the rest of the weekend?
128:52Or I guess you, you take a Saturday off, right?
128:56So, uh, after the weekend, what, what do you have coming up?
128:59Uh, where, where people find you? Yeah. You can come find me, uh, in the fantasy points, DFS discord channel.
129:06If you are a subscriber, I will be in there on Sunday mornings.
129:10Of course, you also want to be in there to go listen to the Sunday morning update show with Scott, with John Proctor.
129:17Uh, I know I'll be in there listening along as well.
129:21Uh, and yeah, the rest of the week you can find me, uh, on the main YouTube channel, uh, reviewing, uh, the
129:28usage on Monday for every player, uh, the everything report, uh, advanced matchups is my DFS article.
129:33That's up on the site right now that people can go check out if you're a fantasy points, DFS subscriber.
129:40Yeah. I think that's all I got. Uh, thanks Neil.
129:43All right. Yeah. So, uh, I, I put out a video last week that I'm kind of excited about, um, about the,
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