0:00This is Outside The Box for Week 5. I am here with Dank Stats Grinder, Ryan Heath.
0:06We're going to be going through position by position, looking at the DraftKings main slate, looking at the chalk a little bit,
0:13but then mostly trying to find some outside the box plays at each position using those Dank Stats that Ryan has dug up for us.
0:21Ryan, last week, kind of a fun week. I felt like we got so much right, but I didn't quite get there.
0:29I don't know if you had any success, any lineups that got to the top.
0:33You kind of needed CeeDee Lamb. I'm not sure if you landed there.
0:38Yeah, I had some CeeDee Lamb, some Nico Collins.
0:41Most of them had George Pickens. So I didn't quite get the correct combination that you needed, but yeah, definitely a positive stepping stone type of week.
0:50I'm really excited for this week. It's the first one we've had all season where ownership is just going to be incredibly concentrated in one game.
0:58We're going to talk about that game a ton, but it does leave a lot of ways for you to get different.
1:06I have a lot of fun outside the box angles that I'm excited to discuss.
1:11I think this is where this show can really shine is on a slate like this, where there's just one game that
1:18has a total of eight points higher than any other game on the slate.
1:23So excited to get into it. Yeah, I'm excited for it.
1:26Also, it's, you know, it's an interesting one. It is different than other slates because there is really just like one clear
1:33favorite game and then the ownership is going there.
1:36So do you just, do you lean into that game?
1:40Do you get away from it? And, you know, obviously the easy place to start is right here at the start because
1:47they are the two chalkiest quarterbacks on the slate before we get into the quarterback.
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2:23It all starts with reset and golf. Again, that's the chalk.
2:27That is the chalky game. We have to decide, are we going to be playing this game?
2:32We're leaning into it. We're going overweight to the chalk.
2:36We're going underway, getting to some other game stacks.
2:39So let's start with those two and then find out what your strategy is.
2:43Are you playing? You just lean into the Arizona Detroit game stack.
2:47Do you have a preference between reset and golf?
2:50So this game is one of the best environmental spots that I can remember in DFS, at least over the last couple
2:58of seasons, especially compared to all of the other games on this slate.
3:02There are no holes that I can really poke in the game environment.
3:06Both of these teams are top seven in plays per game.
3:10Both of these teams are massive pass funnels by pass rate over expectation allowed.
3:15Anything you could possibly look at schedule adjusted fantasy points allowed to opposing quarterbacks, receivers.
3:20Basically, every metric just screams that this game is going to completely go off, that the massive over under is more than justified.
3:27And so I don't think you can full fade it unless you're very comfortable saying, hey, I'm not going to win often.
3:34But if I do win, I'm going to win it all this week if you don't play it.
3:40So I think it makes sense to go either direction if you do play the game, which I think I will.
3:47I will be playing this game. I'm not going to full fade this game.
3:52You just have to be very intentional with some of the pieces that you're picking up and how you're pairing it with other pieces in your lineup.
4:01I think there are a couple of outside the box ways to approach this game.
4:06We might get into some of those when it comes to the quarterbacks.
4:10I think I do prefer Jared Goff if I'm forced to pick one of the two.
4:16Goff has really shined in these high total games.
4:19The stat I had was so people might be familiar with, oh, we always want to play Jared Goff at home like
4:26the Goff at home splits are so good. That just doesn't matter when it's a high total above a 52 point over
4:33under in five away games with a total that high.
4:36Goff just averages 25 DraftKings fantasy points per game over the past three seasons.
4:41It's pretty absurd. Again, the stacking, while it's not easy, I think there's a clear optimal stack with Goff this week where
4:48the Cardinals are an incredibly too high heavy defense.
4:51And they have been since the start of last season.
4:55They have the same defensive coordinator. Crazy to me that that guy got retained given all the results we've seen.
5:01But that's just a side note. With a lot of too high, that's really benefited Amon Ross St.
5:07Brown. No wide receiver averages a higher target per out run against too high looks than St.
5:13Brown over the past three seasons. Jameson Williams target per out run falls to just 14 percent against too high.
5:20So if you look at ownership, you will see, yeah, Amon Ross St.
5:24Brown is much more popular or projecting that way than Jameson Williams.
5:28So I think it's tempting to look at that and say, oh, Jameson Williams, amazing GPP play.
5:33That's not where I want to go. I do think if you're stacking the Goff side, it is Goff.
5:40It's Amon Ross St. Brown. And then it's Sam Laporta, who I think is just the best play pound for pound in this game at salary and ownership.
5:49Too high is also a big boon for him.
5:52Cover six is a big boon for Sam Laporta.
5:55Leads the team in yards per out run against it.
5:58The Cardinals are one of the few teams in the NFL that play a significant amount of cover six.
6:05Laporta is just a top five XFP per dollar value on this slate, even including running backs and wide receivers.
6:11He just has had a great role over his career.
6:15He's up at nearly 16 DraftKings points per game above a 75 percent route share.
6:20That was the thesis coming into the season is Laporta is just going to run a lot more routes.
6:26He's always been more dominant than Jameson Williams. Whenever that's happened in his career, it has come into this year.
6:32I gets over 20 DK and 33 percent of his games since last year that he's been above a 75 percent route share.
6:40He's done that every game this year. Yeah, I think Laporta is where I'd go.
6:45So it's Goff, St. Brown, Laporta. I like that.
6:48That's my favorite double stack from this game. How you get outside the box is going to be in the bring back in the rest of your lineup.
6:57But I think that's just really strong. But yeah, I mean, the Cardinal side of this is almost equally as strong.
7:04There's only two receivers on the Cardinals that combine for 70 percent of their first reads.
7:10It's Trey McBride. It's Michael Wilson. Michael Wilson, the better schematic matchup.
7:14Trey McBride in an awesome on paper matchup. The Lions are allowing the fourth highest target share to opposing tight ends, despite
7:21facing names like Jawan Johnson, Dalton Kincaid, Darren Waller, Kenyon Sadiq.
7:24Not like superstar target earner tight ends, but they've just been up there with the Bengals in target share allowed to tight ends.
7:32Schedule adjusted points per game allowed to tight ends.
7:35What do you think is going to happen when they play Trey McBride?
7:39He's probably going to smash. So, yeah, really, those are the two optimal doubles on either side of this.
7:46I prefer the Lions slightly, as I said. I think one benefit of it is you can play that Lions double without Jameer Gibbs.
7:54You can certainly play it with Jameer Gibbs. You can just onslaught the Lions.
7:58That's has won tournaments before. Certainly could this week, too.
8:02But but yeah, I like that because there's a very outside the box play on the Cardinals that I like as more of a bring back.
8:10Are you going to save it? Are you going to give it away?
8:15Yeah, why don't why don't we? Why don't we save it till the wide receiver section?
8:20I was I was really close to giving you a compliment because you started.
8:24You were like, there is a real optimal way to to stack this.
8:29And I was like ready to jump in and give you a compliment for like, wow, what a tease by Ryan.
8:36And then you just gave away all the goods.
8:39You just like listed off your exact favorite stack on on both sides.
8:43So let's save the one bring back that you like that is a bit outside the box on the Cardinals for when
8:50we get to whichever position that is. All right, let's move on, though.
8:55So so those are I mean, maybe not move on.
8:58Let's stick here just for a minute. So these are you know, we have the clear chalk in Arizona and Detroit ways to get different around this chalk.
9:07Aside from just the players, do you think that you are interested in overstacking this game?
9:13Because that tends to be something that is a way to get different that I think the field kind of doesn't do enough.
9:20It's just saying, you know what, this game just has the fifth highest total or, you know, time for the fifth highest total since 2022.
9:28I'm just going to, you know, everybody wants to play this game, but people are going to pick and choose the best stacks.
9:36What about just like playing, you know, seven players from I don't know what the actual max is of players, something like seven.
9:44But like what about just doing that playing? You know, all three of your wide receivers from this game, you know, maybe
9:51double tight end with one of the quarterbacks. Maybe you throw in one or two of the running backs.
9:57Also, do you have any interest in just like jamming a large stack of this game?
10:03Do you have like a cap on how many you would play of the skill position players in this game?
10:09I don't know that there is a cap. Yeah, I think you can just totally onslaught this game.
10:15That's viable to me. Mostly, I guess it's really how you the argument against it, I guess, is you're going to get
10:22pushed into certain like punt plays to afford all of it is my guess.
10:27I haven't actually tried to build just onslaughts of this game, so I may be mistaken.
10:32But my guess is, yeah, it's going to be hard to get different in any way around that just because we have
10:40some good punts on this slate, but you're just going to run out of lineup slots.
10:45Yeah. So I don't know. I think it's yeah, I think to your point that that's one good way to play it.
10:52And yeah, you're probably right that us particularly lions onslaughts, I think are really, really strong Gibbs with all the pass catchers.
11:00Yeah. But yeah, I mean that. Yeah, you do bring up the biggest constraint here, which is these are kind of expensive.
11:07You've got all my St. Brown is expensive. Jameer Gibbs expensive.
11:11Trey McBride likes. So and even Michael Wilson's like 6200.
11:14We don't have that many like of the players you named and maybe we'll get there later, but not a ton of like great value among those.
11:23I mean, if you're not getting away to James and Williams, who also not that cheap, you just don't have that much
11:30in terms of value to play for many of these teams.
11:34So I guess that would be the constraint more than anything on what you're doing here, unless you're going to go straight
11:41to like just skip over Gibbs and Amon Ra and McBride and like just go to the cheaper pieces.
11:47But yeah, I don't know if that's the way we want to play it.
11:52So we yeah, I guess we'll probably try to build one of these out later and then see what we can do.
11:59What is actually possible? Because you probably can't play, you know, the full stack with three wide receivers and two tight ends.
12:07That's probably going to be just too expensive unless we get real cheap out running back.
12:12But we'll worry about that when we try to stack later.
12:15I just kind of wanted to see, you know, if you have an idea for I mean, I guess I already have.
12:23I already know you'd like to be stacking up this game a fair amount.
12:27It sounds like so probably not just like single stacking, but we might have some constraints on how deep we can go with the stack.
12:36OK, now now let's move on to some other quarterbacks.
12:39And we I mean, it's really just those two are chalky every other quarterback on the slate, 7% or less.
12:46So I'll let you tell me who are some of your other stacks if you're not going to be going straight to Arizona Detroit quarterback.
12:54Which other quarterback are you leading a game stack with?
12:57So the theme of this week for me in any lineups where you're not playing Cardinals Lions is whatever stack you have, whatever angle you're taking.
13:06I want to either just get leverage in terms of this is a similar construction, but just nobody's going to play it to that game.
13:14Or it needs to be like, hey, this double can actually I believe that this double can beat the golf double like
13:21there's just a much higher bar for that this week than there than there is in a typical week.
13:28It is kind of how I approach it. So I have a few.
13:32One of them is going to be very off the board.
13:36I think you're going to have to scroll down a lot.
13:39I'm interested in Kirk Cousins and the Raiders this week.
13:43Something we've been tracking all kind of all season is the Raiders have just continually overperformed Vegas's expectation.
13:49Everybody's expectation for the offense. They're one of the most efficient in the NFL when they play 12 personnel.
13:55They only really got to start playing a lot of 12 since Brock Bowers came back and it's been working.
14:02They are top six in speed by seconds per play when trailing, which is kind of an underrated Clint Kubiak thing, because
14:09especially in Seattle, like his teams didn't trail that often last year, but they were still top 10 in pace of play when trailing.
14:17So if the Patriots can push it all here, I think you get Drake May playing better, not turning the ball over as much, at least last week.
14:26I think this is a game that could be kind of underrated.
14:30And Cousins is fun because he's been scoring very well.
14:33He's at 21.5 DraftKings fantasy points per game this year.
14:37That's fourth best among slate eligible quarterbacks. That's better than Jacoby Brissett, who he's $100 cheaper than.
14:42You can kind of mirror the Brissett McBride stack that everyone wants to play with Kirk Cousins, Brock Bowers.
14:49The Patriots are going to be missing multiple defensive backs.
14:52Christian Gonzalez, who's been the best corner in the league this year by fantasy points per target allowed, is out.
14:59Their other outside corner is also likely out, unless that has changed since people.
15:03Yeah, since this show's gone up. But they should be missing multiple DBs.
15:08The Patriots have really struggled at defending play action this year.
15:11That's like another signature of the Clint Kubiak offense is the deep play action efficiency.
15:16Third most adjusted net yards per attempt allowed on play action by the Pats this year.
15:21They've been a top five defense when they haven't faced play action.
15:25And that's another angle. They've struggled defending the middle of the field.
15:29And just having these corners out kind of causes a trickle down effect to every matchup on the field.
15:36Right. It's it's not just, oh, we have to play Trey Tucker because Christian Gonzalez is out.
15:41This legit helps Brock Bowers, who's the Slates wide receiver three by DraftKings points per game this year and by expected fantasy points per game.
15:50$700 cheaper than the Slates wide receiver three by salary, at least by results.
15:54He's a strong value. The Pats haven't really been tested against tight ends this year.
15:59They look like a tough tight end matchup, but they've played A.J.
16:03Barner, Dalton Kincaid in his lowest route share of the season.
16:07And then the Steelers and the Jaguars who like, yeah, their tight ends went off against the Bengals.
16:13But I don't think Brenton Strange, Pat Fryer, Darnell Washington, like their fantasy points per game scored against the Patriots aren't going
16:20to stop me from playing Brock Bowers. So it's just fun because Cousins Bowers is, yeah, it's like $200 different than Brissette McBride.
16:28And there's going to be very few people on it.
16:31And it just lets you get to the same kind of construction.
16:35And like people like people are going to play the Cardinals as though it's can't miss with with Brissette and McBride.
16:42But like the Cardinals could still turn into a pumpkin any time, right?
16:46Like Brissette is not like a guaranteed put up, you know, 20 plus fantasy points even against Detroit.
16:52And this, yeah, it makes sense, I think, to pivot here.
16:56I love that idea of a pivot. I did not have Kirk Cousins in my write-up as even somebody that would make my 150 set.
17:04Brock Bowers, though, certainly a target. Maybe I'll reconsider Kirk Cousins.
17:08I think he doesn't project that well, even at fantasy points, doesn't project well point per dollar.
17:13But to your point, if they're just beating Vegas every week, projections often are, you know, kind of Vegas kind of leads the way there.
17:22So maybe they continue to beat Vegas. And yeah, Christian Gonzalez being out certainly helps.
17:27That's an interesting one that, frankly, I had not seriously considered.
17:30What about, you go into any CJ Stroud? He's 3% projected ownership.
17:34We have Nico Collins back against Tennessee. Theoretically a nice matchup.
17:38Any interest there? I guess it's slightly more expensive, but kind of the same price range.
17:43I hadn't given Stroud much thought, but that's interesting.
17:46He has been playing a lot better this year.
17:49He's top five in catchable air yards per game.
17:52I think actually top two in catchable air yards per game this year.
17:57Of course, the Texans defense has been much worse, and that's an understatement relative to recent seasons.
18:02It's caused Stroud to have to drop back a lot more.
18:06He's hit 35 or more drop backs in three of his four games.
18:10The stat I had on that was that Nico Collins is up at 18 DraftKings points per game, or a little above
18:17that, in games that Stroud drops back 35 or more times since 2024.
18:22That's decent. Probably not my favorite angle, but I can't knock anything too hard.
18:26No one's going to play it. Like you said, it's not that different of a thought than me and Kirk Cousins.
18:33To be honest, I threw that one out there because it's on the screen and just had the thought of like, I
18:41keep going back and forth on whether I want to play it.
18:45There are a couple other quarterbacks that I am very interested in playing, so maybe I'll just ask your thoughts on those.
18:52Starting with Tyson Bajan, just like the price tag.
18:55Of course, we have Caleb now as questionable, so I guess maybe Tyson Bajan goes out the window and we play Caleb instead.
19:02But Bajan to me is fairly interesting at, he's I think 4,700, and then you have Luther Burden there.
19:09Your guy, RIP Khalif Raymond, or maybe not RIP.
19:12Maybe we can go back there. I don't know.
19:15Colston Loveland, potentially. And I just think that that one has potential to be a game that could go off.
19:21I think it has the second highest total on the slate, so it doesn't stand out as, wouldn't be that contrarian, I guess, from that standpoint.
19:30Shouldn't be that surprising if that game does go off a little bit.
19:34Any interest in playing the Bears-Packers as a game stack or playing either of those quarterbacks?
19:40Because I also have interest in Love just because of the PROE, the pace of the Packers.
19:45So do you have any interest in either of those quarterbacks?
19:49Do you have a preference? And you can play any of that game stack.
19:54So this, I feel like with this game, so much of my thoughts have just been consumed by DeAndre Swift, who we'll get to in the next section.
20:03But yeah, you make a good point with Bajan that he's 4,700.
20:07His receivers are also very cheap. Roma Dunze actually has the best matchup by my eye of any of these Bears pass catchers.
20:14Packers allowing the second most schedule adjusted to outside wide receivers.
20:18Bears top six against quarterbacks. Bajan's like a top three point per dollar value for us at the QB position.
20:25So I think that does make some sense. It's just who do you stack him with?
20:30Like I said, I do think the Odunze matchup is nice.
20:34I just have very low confidence in terms of Bears pass catchers from week to week.
20:39It's hard to be that confident. But yeah, and I have sort of the same issue with Jordan Love where, yeah, the
20:46thesis is the same that it's been every single week.
20:50The Packers can't run the ball. They just are going to be forced to drop back a ton.
20:56We've seen that. But now that Tucker Craft is fully up to speed and led the team in first read target share
21:03last week, actually ran a couple more routes than Christian Watson did last week.
21:07Now there's three pass catchers that you have to decide between playing him with.
21:12That's like really my only nitpick on Love is while, yeah, I certainly see the outcome for any Packers game where he
21:19just has to drop back 45 to 50 times and LeFleur just figures it out and it becomes an efficient offense like we've seen in the past.
21:28It's just hard for me to decide like which two to play him with of Watson, Golden, Craft.
21:34I think Craft has the best matchup. Watson is priced like where he should be for his efficiency.
21:40Golden is a bit better of a value. But that one's also tough for me.
21:45I mean, having three to choose from for a double stack doesn't seem like the worst thing.
21:51You know, you can play all of those different stacks without, you know, cover your bases without doing too many stacks of the game.
21:59Of course, I come from the perspective of somebody who will 150 max some contests.
22:04Yeah, it's it's frankly a difficult slate in some ways because you have to try to find other games that can, you
22:11know, keep up with Detroit Arizona game. And there aren't that many that I think have a real shot at keeping up with that game.
22:19The Bears Packers just stands out as one where I think the Packers have a pretty weak defense.
22:25You see that all across looking looking at the schedule adjusted like the Packers are really bad.
22:31The Bears haven't been as bad, but I kind of think it's going to like it's going to look a lot worse as the season progresses.
22:40I don't know why they don't look as bad on paper as I think they are.
22:45So it's just a game that I see is like it could be an offensive game just because the defenses are so
22:52bad, even if those offenses are not that incredible and Bears might be, you know, with with Ben Ben Johnson there.
22:59So that's, you know, a game that I have interest in.
23:03Outside of that, there's not a ton of quarterbacks that I'm like super interested in.
23:08Do you have others that you that you want to bring up?
23:12I do. I have two more unless I'm forgetting somebody.
23:15I think two more that I have pretty strong feelings on.
23:19One is Jaden Daniels. So as we're recording this right now, Jaden Daniels expected to play.
23:24He is showing at 3% projected ownership for us at 6K.
23:28The note that I gave on caching points was Daniels in games that he hasn't left early.
23:33So I think I did like a 75% plus snap share to pull this stat in games.
23:39He hasn't left early over his career. Average is 22.7 DraftKings fantasy points per game.
23:44That would rank behind only Josh Allen since he entered the league.
23:4851 rushing yards per game in that same split.
23:5150 rushing yards per game this year. That leads all quarterbacks.
23:55Our injury expert Jeff Muller at fantasy points has been saying that yes, there's re-injury risk in terms of if Daniels puts
24:02his arm out in the same way again and tries to brace himself against the ground, then yeah, his elbow is probably
24:09going to pop out again and that wouldn't be good.
24:12But in terms of him throwing, in terms of him running or even getting hit, that there's not really that big of a risk to that.
24:21He doesn't really think that he's going to be physically limited in that sense.
24:26So yeah, at 6K, Jaden Daniels on a slate without Josh Allen, without Lamar Jackson, without any of these hypermobile cheat code
24:33quarterbacks when everybody's either playing the same shootout game or like paying way down at QB.
24:38That's legit interesting to me, especially because his wide receivers are also very cheap.
24:43Antonio Williams. So I'm assuming it's Stefan Diggs out, Terry McLaurin entering the weekend as it sounds like a game time decision.
24:50But either way, Antonio Williams was up at a 73% route share last week.
24:55He's only 3,800, was only one target behind Stefan Diggs, had an 87 yard touchdown called back.
25:00Williams has been really efficient in limited work this year.
25:04He is tracking for just another full-time route share.
25:07You can play Daniels and him for under 10K salary combined.
25:10That feels really strong. Even Terry McLaurin's only 5,300.
25:13Like the Daniels just opens up so much on this slate to me.
25:18And no, and yeah, as of now, nobody's on it.
25:21So he's going to be like a big point of emphasis.
25:25I like that. So I have Jane Daniels listed as somebody will be in my 150 max player pool, but I did not have him as a target.
25:34Maybe, maybe I'll reconsider and think about moving him there because he is, he is pretty interesting.
25:40I like that call. And Antonio Williams certainly like makes it an easier stack.
25:44Antonio Williams after the game last week certainly looks like if Terry McLaurin is out, he will be the top target most
25:52likely, or, you know, he'll be one of the top targets at the very least in a nice matchup with the Giants.
25:59What about Scott's, Scott's guy, Malik Willis? Do you think there's any, any hope for Malik Willis at any point this year?
26:06He's down at 4,600 in a game where they should have to be throwing the ball, but he's been kind of looking like a lost cause.
26:15Uh, I'm just like, you know, we saw last week the, the Chris bell near long touchdown and Malik Washington's looking okay.
26:22So I'm like, all right, some of these pass catchers look like they're fine against Cincinnati.
26:27Uh, so I'm almost tempted to, to pay all the way down to 4,600 for Malik Willis, but, uh, not, not totally
26:35sure that I'm going to do it yet. What, what's your level of interest there?
26:40Yeah, I think Tyson Vagent's a significantly better play only a hundred dollars more.
26:44I I'm swearing off all dolphins. Um, the, the play volume is just too terrible.
26:49Uh, although Neil, I was told to ask you, and this is probably the only time in the show that I'll think of it.
26:57So I'll do it now. Producer Trey wants your thoughts on Kevin Coleman Jr.
27:02as, as a piece to play with Malik Willis.
27:05So have you given him any thought? I, I only gave him thought briefly as I was looking at their route chairs
27:12and I was like, Oh, Kevin Coleman ran a lot of routes.
27:16Uh, maybe that's interesting, but that was after I'd already written up the dolphins and I kind of just, uh, decided, eh,
27:23I don't need to think about that anymore. He's Kevin Coleman.
27:27I'd rather just play Chris bell. Um, but yeah, if, if he's going to be at 0% in, in a Millie maker
27:34type contest, I guess you could go to Kevin Coleman.
27:38I'm, I'm pulling up the stats as I'm saying this.
27:41Um, but yeah, I have, have not given it.
27:44Kevin Coleman in college was one of my favorite sleepers out of this class.
27:49And that's an extremely low bar for this rookie wide receiver class.
27:52Uh, it's one of the worst we've seen in recent memory, but Coleman was legit productive at a decently young age, uh,
28:00more productive than Chris bell on an age adjusted basis.
28:03Uh, more, more than Caleb Douglas. Certainly. Uh, he's a, he did most of that from the slot and that's like the
28:10most common way that numbers will lie to you for college receivers is that it's way easier to produce from the slot.
28:18So he, he was a sleeper that I had as from the rookie class.
28:22I was wondering if he might just outplay all the other rookies they drafted that hasn't, hasn't happened to this point, but
28:30yeah, it is interesting that he's, he's yeah. The playing time is coming up at least.
28:35Yeah. To Trey, uh, saying he's 3000 end zone target last week.
28:39I get it. It's to me, it's like, he's, he's a part-time player on the dolphins.
28:44Um, I, I think I'm just going to make my bet on Chris bell.
28:49I don't think I'm going to follow you there, but that, that does sound like very much a Neil last play.
28:56Like I can, I can see why, why you would bring him up to me.
29:01Uh, yeah, I give you Trey. If you want to play him, I give you, I give you my blessing to, to
29:08play some Kevin Coleman, but I'm just, I'm on the Chris bell train.
29:12So it's too late for me to join you on Kevin Coleman.
29:16I think, um, all right. Any, I'm trying to think if there's any other quarterbacks that I have super, I guess the
29:24other side of that game, I brought up Malik Willis, but it's like, uh, Joe Burrow, like that could be interesting, especially
29:31if one of one of T Higgins or Jamar chase misses and suddenly you have a value play.
29:37I guess you could play Dante Myers either way.
29:40Um, do you have any interest in Burrow? I think to your point, it would have been more interesting if we knew
29:47that one of the top two receivers were out just because it, yeah, it lets you pay down to Dante Myers or
29:54to Mike Gasicki, especially if T's out, uh, because Gasicki has awesome splits without T Higgins, six targets per game, uh, over the past three years without him.
30:04Uh, Dante Myers, of course, we'll probably get to him, but yeah, it's as of right now, uh, T Higgins and Jamar
30:11chase both practiced in full on Friday. So with that, it becomes harder for me just to justify paying up that much, I guess.
30:19Uh, but yeah, Burrow's like in consideration, but not, he's not like the last guy that I, that I was thinking of
30:26in terms of my biggest level of interest. Yeah.
30:29I think that's, that's fair. Like he's like, it's a nice matchup theoretically against the dolphins, except for the dolphin shouldn't push back at all.
30:38Um, so yeah, I, I'm like borderline interested. Who was your last guy?
30:42It's Tyler shock. Uh, it's the worst possible matchup against the Vikings.
30:46Uh, they play a ton of too high. They have gotten the highest pressure rate in the NFL.
30:52All of that's very bad for Tyler shock. His deep throw rate comes way down against too high.
30:58Of course his efficiency and that of all the saints receivers comes way down.
31:02But I look at that and then I look at the projected ownership and the salary.
31:08And it's like Tyler shock is 60, 100, but he still ranks top three or top four in pace in place.
31:15In place per game, drop backs per game, pass rate, drafting fantasy points per game.
31:20It's a tough matchup, but with people not playing it, I think the saints are one of those few teams that if
31:27the game goes a certain way, and even if that's the Vikings get up for scores and stop trying or just go
31:34into prevent defense or what have you. And it's all garbage time.
31:38And it's all garbage time. Tyler shock, the reincarnation of Blake portals.
31:42Uh, I think saints are one of the teams that could get there and compete with a lions or with a Cardinals this week.
31:50You've got Chris Olave at 7,700, even though they finally priced him up.
31:54He is still a top three value by XFP per dollar among all flex eligible players on the slate.
32:01Uh, just ranks as the wide receiver three with Tyler shock at QB over his last 12 games by draft Kings, fantasy points by usage.
32:09Uh, and you can play one of Jawan Johnson or Devon Ville.
32:13Uh, Johnson is shockingly, even at 4,500 is the top XFP per dollar value on the slate.
32:19He's averaging nearly 16 expected fantasy points per game.
32:22Nobody's playing him. So that double specifically shock Olave Jawan is kind of fun to me.
32:27Uh, just because even if it's not a competitive game whatsoever, if they fall behind super quickly, I, I do think just
32:34on pure drop back volume, the saints could get there.
32:38Of course, the Vikings, the toughest defense by fantasy points per drop back, but Hey, if we get enough drop backs, then maybe we can overcome that.
32:46So I, that's like the last, the, yeah, the last place I had in mind that I, that I would really be
32:54looking to go outside of, uh, Cardinals lions. And to your point, if they do get behind quite a bit, I mean,
33:01we saw it just last week, like they're willing to keep throwing.
33:05They had Chris Olave there after the two minute warning of a game that was, well, I was like, what are you doing?
33:13Still playing Chris Olave. But they were, and that, that is, you know, bonus points there for, for the, the fantasy upside of this offense.
33:21If they're going to keep trying when they're down three, four scores late in the, late, late in the fourth quarter, that's just more, more plays.
33:30Like they felt like they're just trying to rack up fantasy points at that point, which, uh, when you have them, then that feels pretty good.
33:38So I don't hate the idea of playing some Tyler Shuck.
33:42I don't think that I really have any other quarterbacks, uh, to call out that I, that I want your opinions on.
33:49Um, and any, any, you know, I guess, I guess one more Brock pretty just because Brock pretty has been like, it
33:56feels like he's always a pretty good play. It's like the worst possible or, you know, not the worst possible, very tough
34:04matchup with Seattle, but that one feels like a game.
34:07Like if that game ends up like being more of an offensive battle than we're expecting, it wouldn't be that shocking.
34:14It would be surprising to me. It's not how I expect the game to play out, but like clearly those are two very competent offenses.
34:22Um, so that one, you know, I can kind of see it going, going that way.
34:28Do you have any interest in, in party or Darnold?
34:31Um, Graham Barfield is interested in Darnold. That's like his gut call, uh, kind of contrarian quarterback GPP play of the week.
34:38So, uh, people should go check out slate breakdown for that.
34:42That's on fantasy points.com, uh, for Graham's thoughts on Darnold with Purdy.
34:46Yeah. I, he's a quarterback I have interest in every week.
34:49I don't think this is the week for it as kind of how I was coming into it.
34:55Um, he's gotten absolutely demolished by the Seahawks in the, in the last two times he played Mike McDonald.
35:02Uh, it's forever. The stat was like, Oh, Brock Purdy in his last 14 games that weren't against the Seahawks.
35:08It's like, wow, he's averaging 30 drafting points for game.
35:12But it's, it's like, yeah, single digits against the Seahawks.
35:15Yeah. I don't know. I, I probably am not getting to Purdy.
35:19Uh, someone I would get to before Purdy would be just the opposite side of the Jaden Daniels game.
35:25I would play Jameis Winston. I'll go back to that this week.
35:29Um, I, I feel silly for not like sticking with it last week after being frustrated after the weather game in week three.
35:37That's a, another strong schematic matchup for Jameis. Uh, it's a ton of cover for a ton of too high from the commanders.
35:44Uh, Jameis has thrown deep against cover for, uh, the second most in the NFL.
35:49Uh, Malik neighbors has a massive target per outrun and yard per outrun boost against cover for neighbors.
35:55Uh, had his easily his highest average separation score of the season last week seems to be getting healthier.
36:02Uh, so that that's another fun way to go.
36:05I think the Jaden Daniels side of it is better, but that, that game turning into, uh, just kind of a slop fest.
36:12It is one of the more plausible, uh, yeah, ways to beat Cardinals science to me.
36:18Yeah, I think you're right. That was when I looked at, I was like, man, he doesn't project well enough that I
36:25can really justify like recommending Jameis Winston. But like, you know, he's, he's one that like, my God is just like, yeah,
36:32but any game Jameis Winston can just like be hero Jameis Winston instead.
36:37So yeah, I like that call. It's like 1% ownership.
36:40Why not? Let's give it a shot on, on Jameis and some lineups.
36:44Okay. Let's, let's move on to running backs. I think we've talked about all of the quarterbacks we want to talk about.
36:51Um, running back. We'll, we'll start with again, going back to, I guess it's not at the very top with, with Jameer Gibbs.
36:59Uh, we've talked about him a little bit already.
37:02Mike Washington. And I guess we don't know for sure that Ashton Gentry is going to be out, but it's looking like
37:09pretty likely because he didn't practice today. Usually if you don't practice on Friday, probably not playing in the game, but I
37:17don't think he's like officially out for this game, but we're making the assumption.
37:21Like the industry is making the assumption that Ashton Gentry is going to be out.
37:26In which case, Mike Washington stands out as a really great point per dollar play.
37:31Um, well, let's start with, let's start with Mike Washington and Jameer Gibbs.
37:36Both the two running backs getting over 30% ownership.
37:38You're kind of getting, you know, the, the bookends of the pricing with those two.
37:43Um, do you have a preference? I mean, I, I, it's not even there apples and oranges.
37:49So I guess not even, do you have a preference?
37:52Uh, are you playing Mike Washington and, or are you playing Jameer Gibbs or either of them a big fade for you?
38:00Yeah. I prefer Jameer Gibbs, Neil. I think Jameer Gibbs is going to score a lot more fantasy points than Mike Washington.
38:07Yeah. Uh, yeah, Mike Washington. It's really hard to argue with a $4,200 running back, but I'm going to try to do it anyway.
38:15Washington has never really been a bell cow running back at all in college.
38:20He was getting outplayed, uh, and out volumed by Seth McGowan, who was another day three running back in this class.
38:27Uh, that I, what is on the cults that I think lost his backup job to Tyler Goodson.
38:33I is, as I think is what's happening at the back of that depth chart right now.
38:38Uh, Washington in college by rushing efficiency was just a bottom.
38:42Tyler Goodson is now on the Cowboys. Just, just need to say, I think he was in the showdown.
38:48Yeah. I think he was on the cults. You're right.
38:51Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um, so that, that tells you how much I've thought of Seth McGowan.
38:57I think that, that illustrates the point I was trying to make perfectly.
39:01Um, but yeah, Washington, I, I just hated him as a prospect in college, like extremely low rushing efficiency.
39:08Um, what is a total track star, extremely fast, ran well at the combine, all of that.
39:13That's like the reason he got drafted high. Uh, he looks like the outline of a bell cow running back where there,
39:21there's sort of receiving juice, but it's just never really been all put together.
39:25Uh, he had to stay in college for like four years until he was ever really anything.
39:31I don't know if Mike Washington's the chalkiest running back on the slate.
39:35That's, I, I feel like I want to fade that.
39:38I, I'm very low on his relative talent, uh, compared to even somebody, uh, like, like a Braylon Allen or an Emmanuel Wilson.
39:46I don't think Washington is like a better player than either of these guys.
39:51Those other two names are more expensive, but they're still awesome values.
39:55You're going to save a lot of salary with those two as well.
39:59Um, yeah, I don't know. I, I just wonder if the Raiders lean more into the past.
40:05And again, with both corners out for the Patriots, I think Washington's one that I'm more inclined to fade or like come under on, uh, Jameer Gibbs.
40:14I, yeah, he, it's a 30 point implied total for Jameer Gibbs.
40:18It was, it was our highest projection ever earlier in the week.
40:22I think that got pulled back a little bit.
40:25It may still be for any, for any flex eligible player on Jameer Gibbs this week.
40:30Uh, I'm, I will not be fading him. I think if you're fading the, uh, like that game, then just playing Jameer
40:37Gibbs and nothing else from it is a way to go.
40:41Um, just kind of take the free square on that and play and pay down at quarterback and try to pick the correct pay down.
40:49Uh, it is how I'm approaching it. Yeah. I, I, I think I largely agree.
40:54Like Mike Washington to me does feel like a pretty big fade.
40:58Like I think if he ends up at 36% ownership, it is one where I'm going to be monitoring it pretty, pretty closely.
41:06Like what the ownership actually comes in at. Cause like he's, yeah, he's going to project really well.
41:12I would guess that Sims are going to like Mike Washington.
41:15And I just, uh, I've, I've faded these, these plays and had some success with it in the past.
41:22Just like, you know what? I'm just not going to play that player because there is so much opportunity cost with, you
41:29can only play running back in three positions, the two running back slots and the flex.
41:34And this week in particular, there's some really good flex plays.
41:38Like there, there are a lot of tight ends that we want to play that could potentially make the flex obviously wide receivers there as well.
41:46So there's just so much opportunity costs that, you know, if Mike Washington does not score a touchdown, I'm going to feel really good about the fade.
41:55Most likely. I don't think he's going to rack up seven receptions and get there as like a PPR scam.
42:02So yeah, I think I'm, I'm with you on Mike Washington being a pretty good fade.
42:07If he is at 36% ownership and then Jameer Gibbs, he's a little bit tougher for me because he is so expensive.
42:15Like, yeah, you're like, he obviously he projects so well that like, I'm not going to full fade Jameer Gibbs.
42:21I think that would be a mistake for somebody playing as much as I'm playing.
42:26Cause he could just have three, four touchdowns and nobody should be surprised if he does.
42:31I don't know if I'm going to be North of 30%.
42:35Like, I think he's like a fantastic play. I still might come in slightly underweight, but I don't know that I will,
42:42because I don't think that there are that many running backs that I like really love on this slate.
42:49Like there's, there are a few that I, that I really like, but I don't think there's enough that I'm like, okay,
42:56I can just like fully fade this and play these other eight running backs that I love.
43:02Instead, there's, there's more like three or four that I'm like, I think that's pretty good play.
43:07And so, so I probably just do end up playing a lot of Gibbs also.
43:12What about beyond that? So, so those two are the, the chalkiest beyond those two.
43:17Chase Brown gets Miami. You have to imagine Chase Brown is going to be fairly popular.
43:2319% projected ownership. Thank you for putting it back on the screen.
43:27So I'm like trying to remember 19% feels pretty good to me for Chase Brown.
43:31But yeah, Chase Brown and up we have Chase Brown, Aaron Jones, still at 20% with Justin Jefferson, looking like he's going to return.
43:39Deandre Swift. You mentioned having interest there already. And then Braylon Allen, 5,400 against Cleveland.
43:44Let's talk about that grouping of four. So that'll, that'll be the rest of the chalk here.
43:50So start wherever you want of those four. Do you have a favorite?
43:54Do you have any full fades? What are you doing with that group?
43:59So early in the week, I was very into Chase Brown and I think I'll still play him some.
44:05Uh, I was mostly excited about what the role could be through the air if T Higgins or Jamar Chase were to
44:12miss, uh, where everybody's kind of like fighting to early in the week to play.
44:17Oh, do we play Dante Myers? Do we play Mike Gasicki?
44:21All, all of these cheap guys. It's like, I think we just play Chase Brown, who was over a 20% target share
44:28last week after Jamar Chase left the game. Uh, averages 22 DraftKings points per game, uh, in four games that T Higgins
44:35has missed since he took over the backfield. Uh, averages over 23 DraftKings points per game in games that Bengals have won by a touchdown or more.
44:44To me, he was the way to go on the Bengals.
44:48Uh, the Dolphins also an awesome matchup through the air.
44:51They've allowed the most schedule adjusted to opposing running backs in the passing game this season.
44:57So I think he's a solid play. Um, probably like, yeah, he, he's pretty good.
45:02I think DeAndre Swift is just assuming Kyle Monunga is out is just the best running back play on the slate.
45:09Yeah. Monunga officially ruled out. Um, the bears have the most valuable backfield in the NFL by a lot, by backfield expected fantasy points per game.
45:17They are averaging over 30. So you would expect their running backs to combine for 30 fantasy points, uh, roughly in each
45:24game, given the usage that they're seeing. The Packers are one of the top run funnels in the NFL by pass rate over expectation allowed.
45:33And you just get into a situation where if Swift sees even 70, 80% of this most valuable backfield in the league,
45:40rather than the 55% that he's been at over the last year and change.
45:45It's like, yeah, why would that not be the best play on the slate?
45:49It's a Ben Johnson offense that has always been top three in yards per carry and EPA per run.
45:56Uh, I I'm like, I'm half making that set up, but I just assume it's true for Ben Johnson.
46:02Like consistently has some of the most amazing run games in the NFL.
46:06Yep. Uh, and the workloads there for, yeah, I, that's like hard to beat for me for a 6k range guy.
46:13Deandre Swift this week. Yeah. Swift also looks fantastic to me.
46:17He's definitely one of, you know, I mentioned the three or four players that I really love.
46:23Swift makes that list for me. Chase Brown makes that list for me as well.
46:27The other two, I like Aaron Jones getting more and more expensive every weekend.
46:32Like he's been good, but he hasn't really been great.
46:35And the saints, I don't know that it's like a top notch matchup.
46:40So I'm that one. I'm a little bit less enthusiastic about, I don't know.
46:44Uh, how do you feel about Aaron Jones and then Braylon Allen?
46:48So on paper, the saints look like a good matchup, top five schedule adjusted to opposing running backs.
46:54Uh, but there's a couple things to that. One is that's just Jameer Gibbs and Bijan Robinson and, and Brian Robinson have super gone off against them.
47:03Uh, they held Ashen Gentty and Derek Henry to under 70 rushing yards each.
47:08Uh, Aaron Jones, while the workload has been good without Jordan Mason, uh, and he is a strong projected value because of
47:15that, he's been underperforming it, which is what I would expect out of like old Aaron Jones, who used to be one of the fun, efficient running backs.
47:24But that's not the case anymore. Uh, he's 18th of 30 running backs in rush yards over expectation per attempt.
47:31I, I just don't know that he's going out and gashing the saints on the ground.
47:36So yeah, relative to Deandre Swift being 300 cheaper, Chase Brown being 400 more that Aaron Jones is an easy fade to me.
47:44Um, yeah. What about Braylon Allen? How are, how are you feeling on Braylon?
47:49Yeah. I mean, we, we like, I, I sort of talked about it before the slate, cause it was like, he's one
47:56that I am like, I want to get excited about it.
48:00Cause Cleveland just allowing, uh, one of the top explosive run rates in the league.
48:05And then I'm like, man, I would love if Brees Hall was in this game.
48:10Like it's hard for me to get super excited about Braylon Allen, but also he had an awesome workload last week.
48:17Um, so I, I do think, yeah, I'm going to have some interest in a $5,400 Braylon Allen.
48:22Um, but I'm, I, I've been, I have not actually written up that game.
48:27I was trying to debate if I'm going to put him as a target or just somebody that's in my 150 set player pool.
48:35Um, and I was going to ask you your opinion of Braylon Allen.
48:39I actually like him. I think between him, Mike Washington and Emmanuel Wilson, in terms of the, like the really cheap sub
48:475,500 running backs on this slate, Braylon is my favorite.
48:50The reason for that is that the workload feels assured to me, regardless of game scripts, because we've seen Braylon Allen playing
48:57in all situations this year had a 94% snapshot.
49:00Last week without Reese Hall, he has a 100% backfield XFP share without Reese Hall.
49:05He's seen every single non breeze running back touch for the jets this year has mixed in at the goal line has been playing on third downs.
49:14The route share was really strong last week, 67%.
49:17Uh, they're just playing him in all situations. I, I'm not like a Braylon Allen fan.
49:22Braylon Allen has a weird, like hive of supporters that I don't count myself among, but yeah, in this matchup where the
49:30Browns are seven softest by EPA per rush allowed top five by rushing success rate allowed second highest explosive run rate allowed.
49:37As you mentioned, I do think there's a world where Allen just completely runs over them.
49:42And that that's like most of what the jets have to do on offense.
49:47And I'm sure they, they would be happy if it turned out that way.
49:52So I, yeah, I, I think because I'm assured of the workload and all you really need out of the jets is
49:59for them to run more than 32 freaking plays, which is what happened last week.
50:04Uh, but it, I get against a much worse Browns defense.
50:08I think that's almost assured that they will be more normal by play volume.
50:12They have been for the entire season up until last week.
50:16Uh, that, that just adds up to Braylon being the best to me.
50:20I don't know that Mike Washington's actually going to be used in all phases, in all situations.
50:26Uh, they, they've obviously been very reluctant to let him work in the passing game this season.
50:31That that's like where Gentie was shining. The most was in the receiving game.
50:36They haven't, hadn't given much of that to Washington at all.
50:40Uh, not unusual for a rookie running back to not be running a lot of routes, not be trusted in pass protection.
50:47Maybe we see, uh, is Dylan still around? Yeah.
50:50Pretty sure he's still on the team. Yeah. Yep.
50:53Maybe that's what we see, um, on passing downs for the Raiders.
50:57Uh, so yeah, I think Braylon because he's just the most game script proof of any of these cheaper running backs is going to be my favorite.
51:06Yeah. I think that I'm with you on Braylon being my favorite.
51:10Like I'm not super in on Emmanuel Wilson in a, you know, tougher matchup with the Niners.
51:16Um, Braylon, it's funny. I'm looking at, uh, the numbers from last week, a hundred percent of the backfield expected fantasy points for, for Braylon.
51:24That's obviously just because Isaiah Davis had zero touches.
51:27I do like, I assume that if the pie gets bigger and like they, they have, you know, 25 carries as a
51:34team, he's not going to get all 25. I would assume that Isaiah Davis at some point mixes in a little bit,
51:41but we don't know exactly where that point is.
51:44Like maybe, maybe he just does have a true bell cow workload that will hold up with even a bigger pie if they run more plays.
51:53So yeah, I like the call of Braylon Allen being relatively, relatively strong chalk, better, better in my opinion than, uh, Mike
52:00Washington at, you know, half the projected ownership or I guess more than half, but, uh, significantly less.
52:06What else? Who else do you like? So we, that that's kind of the, the chalk as far as I've seen, I
52:14just brought up Emmanuel Wilson as well as being somebody that I'm not like super in love with that 15% ownership.
52:20Um, are you going to McCaffrey this week? We did see he had his highest, uh, uh, share of the expected fantasy points for the Niners last week.
52:30It was up close to 30%, so still lower than last year, but did it has been rising and and that was in, you know, a tighter game.
52:39So I would think that it's going to continue to be higher in, in this should also be a tighter game for
52:46the Niners, but also they're facing the Seahawks. So I don't know that I can be that excited about McCaffrey.
52:53Are you going there? Are you kind of staying away from the Niners because you're afraid of the matchup?
52:59I think if I'm paying all the way up for someone that's not Jameer Gibbs, I would probably rather than play McCaffrey,
53:07I'd probably find the 600 to play Jackson Smith and Jigba instead is how I would approach it.
53:13Uh, so yeah, probably not for me on McCaffrey.
53:15Uh, I guess in theory, that's a fun mini stack because both CMC and JSN are very much benefited by closer competitive
53:23game scripts where JSN needs more dropbacks. Uh, McCaffrey just doesn't play nearly as much if the game isn't competitive or if the 49ers aren't trailing.
53:31So I guess on, in that sense, that could be fun.
53:35I haven't tried building with that, but that might be an interesting mini.
53:39Uh, don't know if it's better than the George Kittle JSN mini, uh, for similar reasons, but yeah, so he's fine.
53:46Um, Emmanuel Wilson, I do think is okay. You just, I think you just want to play him with the Seahawks defense, which is only 2800 this week.
53:56Uh, because Wilson was in a, like with heavy scare quotes around it, bell cow role last week.
54:02Uh, he was at, let's see, it was like a 75% backfield XFP share.
54:06Uh, would have been eighth most on the week.
54:09Of course he's priced well below that at 5,300 49ers are a top six schedule adjusted matchup for opposing running backs.
54:16They're the biggest run funnel in the NFL by pass rate over expectation.
54:20So if the Seahawks control this game, I, then I think Wilson could be a very strong play.
54:26Uh, but we've seen in when they've been in negative game scripts.
54:30So like, uh, against the commanders in week three, I think at the end of that game, it was all George Helani,
54:38uh, playing on passing downs, running more routes. So yeah, you just need the Seahawks to like stay clearly in command.
54:45So that's why I like the Wilson DST stack.
54:48Um, but outside of that, yeah, I think clearly worse than Raylan Allen.
54:52Not really many other running backs that jump out to me.
54:56There's like one. Yeah. I don't know. Scott Barrett made an impassioned argument for Jeremiah love just on the a, he's awesome
55:03leverage on every other piece on that game. Uh, B we were very excited to play him thinking he'd be in an
55:10every down bell cow workload last week. Uh, that that's why I didn't win a bunch of money last week.
55:17Cause I played a ton of Jeremiah love, uh, gets hurt during the game, which they like love, like brush it off and kind of lied about it.
55:26Uh, Lafleur said that he actually injured his other ankle.
55:29So not the one that he had injured coming into the preseason.
55:33And you could, I think you could pretty easily say, well, that that's why he didn't see a massive workload.
55:40Maybe he will this week. I don't know. Our Jeff Mueller, our injury guy, isn't that bullish on love in the near
55:47term just because of the need to rehab that ankle.
55:51Um, but that's like one angle you could take is just say, Hey, if the, if lions Cardinals doesn't go off, if
55:58I'm not playing the pieces in that game, the way it maybe happens is the, like the lions just don't show up at all.
56:06Love actually gets positive game script, uh, potentially breaks off a long touchdown or two.
56:11Uh, I, I, everything I said in terms of being very complimentary of him as a player, as a prospect last week still applies.
56:19Like he could have a massive tournament winning score on 14 or 15 touches.
56:23Um, but I, I don't know that I think of the running backs we talked about it.
56:29That's like might be all you need this week.
56:32There's just some very clear, great plays. Let me throw two more names at you.
56:37Uh, first one, Jalen Warren, just like, uh, I'm assuming Rico Dattles is going to be out again this week.
56:44Jalen Warren has had kind of a bell cow role for the Steelers.
56:48I think that's going to continue in a nice matchup with the Colts.
56:52So he stands out to me. The price is coming up, but I, I still think it's fair price.
56:59I still really like Jalen Warren. Do you have any interest there?
57:03Um, it is, is Rico Dattles confirmed out or no?
57:06Is that's up in the air right now? I think it's still up in the air.
57:11I don't think that it is totally confirmed. Um, I think it was, yeah, I guess he's still, it's still questionable.
57:18So I guess that would, maybe we can wait and you can, uh, save that opinion for whether he plays.
57:25I just, I'm leaning towards Rico Dattles is going to sit.
57:28Um, but obviously if Dattles plays, then that takes away the Warren play.
57:33Yeah. Yeah. I wouldn't, if he plays, I wouldn't have much interest when Chase Brown is 200 more expensive.
57:39Deandre Swift is 500 cheaper. All that. Uh, if there's no Dattles, then yeah, he definitely becomes interesting from a workload perspective.
57:46Uh, yeah, he's just seen 90% plus snap shares without Rico Dattles.
57:50He's played awesome. I love Jalen Warren. He's one of my favorite running backs in the league.
57:56The guys just top five and miss tackles force per touch, uh, yards after contact for attempt every single season.
58:03Uh, he's just never gotten this bell cow role.
58:06He has the last couple of games. It's been awesome.
58:09The one note I had is that the Colts tend to funnel everything underneath within 10 yards of the line of scrimmage.
58:16Uh, they're like allowing the second most receiving yards per game in that area.
58:21Jalen Warren has a 21% target share within 10 yards of the line of scrimmage, the highest on the Steelers.
58:27So that certainly is in play to me without doubt.
58:31All, uh, just the, yeah, the PPR scam from Aaron Rogers can we've seen be very strong.
58:36It could continue this week. Yeah, I guess I thought Dotto was more, was closer to doubtful looking at, uh, practice reports.
58:44He did practice in a limited fashion today. Uh, I see, uh, Blitzberg tweeted out that he's looking a little bit healthier today.
58:51So maybe, maybe truly questionable. Maybe we'll just have to wait and find out on game day.
58:57But if, if doubt was out that I'm going to be a big fan of Warren once again, and then the last
59:04game, uh, the last running back I wanted to throw at you and it is a bit of a knee last play,
59:11I guess, um, is, is trivia on Henderson. Uh, just because, you know, the, the Patriots are playing against the Raiders who
59:19have allowed the, I want to say seventh most highest explosive run rate to running backs on the season.
59:25Trevion Henderson obviously has that explosive play upside. And then reminder Stevenson, it sounds like he's going to play is the latest,
59:32but like just earlier today, Vrabel was like, yeah, we, we have not ruled him out as of yet.
59:39Like it sounded like he's, he was like in, in Vrabel's mind, pretty questionable.
59:43And then Ramondra said, I'm, I'm ready to go, but you know, you kind of have to wonder if he's going to
59:51be limited at all, in which case we would just see Trevion Henderson take on a bigger workload.
59:57So at like low ownership at $5,000 in a matchup that, you know, should suit a running back with explosive play abilities,
60:04any interest in, in Trevion Henderson for tournaments? Yeah, I don't hate it.
60:08If the thought is just, yeah, you need one or two explosive plays to make his day.
60:14I think Henderson's capable of that. Certainly isn't going to get any of the high value work if Stevenson's in the game,
60:21but yeah, maybe there's a world where that just doesn't matter.
60:25Uh, I, to, what do you, what would you say if I raised you an RJ Harvey at 5,200 as a sort
60:32of, as like a Neil S play where he just leads the Broncos in target share right now, uh, is just behind
60:39Pat Bryant in receiving yards per game for the team lead.
60:43Pat Bryant just went on IR. Yeah. It's like that stat itself is like the most damning stat, like the worst symptom
60:50of a deeply sick Broncos offense ever that it's RJ Harvey that's leading them in usage, but it is a strong schematic matchup against the chargers.
60:59Harvey sees his targets per hour run come way up against two high looks.
61:03Snicks just loves checking it down against what the chargers show.
61:07It could be another big RJ Harvey game. I don't know if I'll get there.
61:12Maybe if, if I were, uh, yeah, it may be an MME, I would have it in mind, but yeah, that's just another name I thought about.
61:21Well, both Trevin Henderson and RJ Harvey, I have listed as MME plays.
61:25Like they're, they're not like players that I am planning on playing.
61:29If I'm hand building five lineups, I don't have them currently in my 20 lineup player pool, but in a one 50 set, I think both are strong.
61:39And I like, I'm, I'm borderline on, on Trevion in particular in my 20, 20 lineup set.
61:44I'm like almost interested enough to play him there.
61:47Um, but yeah, I think, I think RJ Harvey, uh, for, for all the reasons you said in play in large field
61:55tournaments, just not like a huge target. Any other running backs you want to talk about?
62:00No, I think that's good for me. All right, let's move on to wide receivers.
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62:29And you can use promo code DFS. Looking at the wide receivers, not a surprise that the two highest ownership come from that chalky game.
62:37Aminorah St. Brown and Michael Wilson. Aminorah 7,900 coming in at 25% ownership.
62:42Michael Wilson 6,200 coming in at 22% ownership. Are you, are these the wide receivers that you're playing from these teams, Ryan?
62:49Um, we talked about same round already. I really like his matchup.
62:53Wilson has a strong schematic matchup. Both of these guys do.
62:57So yeah, I mean, I'm playing these guys if I'm playing this game.
63:01Uh, but yeah, it's, it's, I'll stop holding it back.
63:04So the play I wanted to run by you for this game is Kendrick Bourne.
63:09This is, I wondered, I wondered if that was it.
63:12Okay. So the lions have allowed the most schedule adjusted fantasy points per game to the slot of any team.
63:19Kendrick Bourne runs 68% of his routes from the slot.
63:22Uh, he's been, he's run at least two thirds of the routes in every game this year.
63:28Since the start of last season, when he's played at least that much, he averages just over nine draft Kings points per game.
63:36He's gone over 15 in three of those 11, including in one game this year.
63:41Even if you got 15 draft Kings points out of Kendrick Bourne, who nobody is playing, who, if he scores a touchdown,
63:48he's taking it away from the other receivers in this game.
63:52He's been playing, has that best possible matchup in the slot.
63:55Uh, by XFP per game, Kendrick Bourne actually has a better role than Marvin Harrison Jr.
64:00Right now. Why not? I guess I either like throw him on as a bring back, include him in a Brissette stack.
64:08Uh, however, I may, maybe you tell me what the best way is to play it.
64:13Um, but yeah, he's to me jumps out as yeah.
64:16He hasn't had like a strong role really this year in terms of targets commanded, but we've seen it in the past
64:24from him where he's just had these games mostly under Kyle Shanahan that he just gets targeted over and over and over as this massive PPR scam.
64:33I don't know. It crossed my mind this week.
64:36I would normally never care outside of like specifically this slate where everyone's playing every other receiver.
64:41Uh, there are all of these other sub 4k wide receivers that people are probably going to punt with.
64:48Uh, your, your Dante Myers is, um, and some other guys we'll talk about like, it's, it's not as if it's totally
64:55crazy to play a sub 4k receiver when not that great of a role to this point in the season.
65:01Like, I just think born is a fun way to get leverage both ways in that sense.
65:07So I, I was, you know, writing up this game and I looked at it and I, you know, I saw the,
65:14uh, the, the slot, you know, the expected fantasy points, schedule adjusted fantasy points allowed to slot receivers on Detroit.
65:21Right. I looked up, okay. Who's running routes in the slot the most for Arizona.
65:26And I saw Kendrick born and I thought about, should I add this as a play on Arizona?
65:32And then I looked at the projection and ultimately I didn't add it, but you've changed my mind.
65:38I'm going to add Kendrick born to my player pool.
65:41Cause cause I agree with you. This is like, if you're playing that game, we're looking for ways to play that game
65:49in a smart way that is different than how other people are playing it.
65:53Also, we, we talk about like, it's difficult to get to all the players you want because they're so expensive.
66:00Well, here's a way to do it. If you want to play that game, $3,400 receiver.
66:05Um, yeah, no, I, I like the call of, of Kendrick born because he like, he doesn't project that well.
66:12Nobody's going to play him, but he could easily takes away from the other receivers on the team.
66:18I like him both in a Brissette stack and as a bring back for Jared golf.
66:23I'm probably not doing it much as a one-off, although I think you could, uh, you know, for, for the same, like
66:30the leverage reasons of like, well, what if he just pops off for two touchdowns?
66:35You're taking those away from Trey McBride, Michael Wilson, uh, the other players on Arizona.
66:40So I don't hate the idea, I guess, of playing it as a one-off either.
66:45Yeah. You asked, what do you think is the best way to play it?
66:50And I'm like, I guess you can, you can kind of make a case for, for either of just like use them
66:57as a player in the game that, you know, allows you to get up to the expensive guys.
67:03Cause that's going to be tough to do, but you could also, you could display him as a leverage play off the other players on Arizona.
67:12Um, so I, I guess one way to do both of those things, I guess would be the, just play him in
67:19a Detroit stack, play, play him with, golf with Amin Ra gives and then use him as your, uh, your piece from
67:26Arizona where he's getting leverage on the expensive pieces.
67:29Um, and he's allowing you to pay up for the players on Detroit would be one way to do it.
67:36But I think those are all like pretty, pretty strong options.
67:40You can play him in any type of lineup.
67:43So yeah, I think, I think you're right. I'm adding, I'm adding Kendrick Bourne to my player pool.
67:49Um, I like that, that shout. Um, so we went right from the chalkiest players on the slate to like, let's talk about Kendrick Bourne.
67:57Yeah. You did not bury the lead there. Long on, uh, on who you like as the contrarian piece on Arizona.
68:04Um, I assume you like him better than like Tesla who like actually finally kind of broke out.
68:10I think that was last week where, where they like targeted him quite a bit.
68:15Um, but I, I'm not really targeting Tesla. I have not looked closely at him though.
68:20I guess maybe, maybe you can make the case that he's ascending a little bit.
68:25Um, yeah, I mean, he's maybe more classically when you, when you think of, Oh, who's the cheap under owned receiver that
68:32I should play to get leverage that can like hit three X or four X on one play that, that probably is Tesla more than Bourne.
68:41But I, I don't, I think the role has not been great for Tesla.
68:46I'm, I'm looking it up quickly and 11 and a half percent target share in the most recent game.
68:52He ran 83% of the routes, which is, you know, but then just 11 and a half percent target share, even that
68:59game, he really got there in garbage time. So I don't know.
69:03And Tesla has always been like, he runs routes and then just doesn't really, uh, get used that much anyway.
69:10Cause he's just like really pretty far down that pecking order.
69:13Whereas I think Arizona, like there's a spot for, uh, for Kendrick Bourne to be the wide receiver too on Arizona.
69:20So, um, I, I do prefer Bourne over Tesla.
69:23I also think I would be less surprised to see Tesla suddenly get four or 5% ownership as opposed to Bourne.
69:30I think it's likely to get overlooked. Um, yeah.
69:33Yeah. Tesla, Tesla had just a 53% route share in week three.
69:37Um, and I would say before the year, one of the, one of part of like my call on Sam Laporta for this season was the lion.
69:46Tens offensive coordinator, Drew Petsing and his staff were talking a lot about alternating between more two tight end sets and more
69:53three wide receiver sets, like from game to game based on matchup.
69:57So I do think the, just the playing time for Tesla is very unpredictable.
70:02Um, and with, as with Bourne, it's been very predictable.
70:05He's yeah. He's running fewer routes than like Michael Wilson, but he's been involved.
70:10He's been the primary slot option every single game.
70:13So yeah, I think I, I would still give the lean to Bourne too.
70:18Yeah. Agreed. All right. Let's get back to the chalk.
70:21So we've already talked about the top two there.
70:24Trey Harris. Now we have a QJ is outlad McConkey questionable.
70:28So Trey Harris kind of popping at 4,100. Um, he certainly is not a can't fail chalk play.
70:34Um, even at, you know, 4,100 with his teammates out, but I think I like him better than Mike Washington at least.
70:41Cause he's, I mean, he's coming in half the ownership.
70:44So I think like, all right, I don't mind that for Trey Harris.
70:48Uh, do you feel differently? Are you, uh, are you opposed to Trey Harris?
70:53I mean, I think I'm just opposed to chargers is how I feel like, yeah, you get, uh, no Pats or tan in this game.
71:01Um, and yeah, I mean, Trey Harris is the only receiver left, but I don't know that I want the only receiver left on this chargers offense.
71:10That's just last week. They leaned way more into throwing to their running backs a ton after not really doing that at all through the first three games.
71:20And they had at least a little bit more success.
71:23Uh, so yeah, I, I don't know. And another note I had was that the Bronc, the Broncos generally teams have been
71:30targeting them closer to the line of scrimmage within 10 yards.
71:34Uh, and a run a Gadsden actually led the team in targets last week.
71:39Uh, had the lower a dot relative to Trey Harris.
71:42So if I'm first, I don't know that I'm doing this at all, but yeah, if, if I want to play a charger, right, I'd almost say.
71:51Like give me a Rondae Gadsden. Who's just as gross of a play as Trey Harris to me at way less ownership.
71:58Uh, and with, with maybe like the better matchup angle there, he's even cheaper.
72:03Um, the projections will disagree. Chris Wecht has Trey Harris.
72:06Yeah. As one of the top point per dollar values, but I, I'm like not really vibing.
72:12With Trey Harris. And, and I haven't been with the chargers, uh, for most of this season.
72:17And unfortunately as, as a noted lad McConkie bull.
72:20Yeah. I forget that you are, you are the lad McConkie guy.
72:24Hopefully you can come back healthy and you can start playing lad at some point.
72:29Um, all right, let's, let's move on. I mean, bears.
72:33Uh, so last week we were in on Kalief Raymond.
72:36I think that's going to be kind of a, like any week, any given week.
72:41We don't really know what's going to happen. That's kind of what Ben Johnson said.
72:46It's like, yeah, Colson Lovelin is going to have his week.
72:49He said like, Kalief Raymond is doing a great job.
72:53I'm not getting this. Not obviously not a direct quote, but like he's doing a great job there.
72:59It's going to be weeks or is not getting as much going to be weeks or Colson Lovelin's getting it, whatever.
73:06Um, I think it's going to continue to be kind of unpredictable with the bears.
73:11Um, do you, are there any particular bears that you love?
73:14I guess of the wide receivers here, you mentioned Romo Dunze.
73:18I guess we've already talked about this to some extent.
73:21Is Odunze the bet you're making? If you're making a bet on bears receivers this week?
73:27I guess so. I think it would only be if I were playing Baygent though, I'm just much more into playing Deandre
73:34Swift and saying, yeah, the Packers, one of the biggest run run funnels.
73:38I think that's probably how that game goes most of the time.
73:42Um, so yeah, I, I don't know. Yeah. 14% on Luther burden.
73:46It makes sense. He's only 4,900. Uh, certainly one, one of the most, yeah, he's, he's efficient.
73:52He's exciting. I still believe his, he's as good as I believed he was before the season, but yeah, just the passing
73:59volume has been very up or down. The usage has been very up and down.
74:04Um, yeah, I, I don't think I need even really want to go to bears as one offs this week outside of Deandre Swift.
74:12I think we talked about so many wide receivers while we were talking about, uh, quarterbacks that, you know, don't, don't have
74:19to go through the entire list because we've talked about so many of them, but are there any wide receivers that we
74:27haven't talked about yet that you are taking a big stand on any, any, uh, that you are like expected to be well over the field?
74:35Um, Carnell Tate. We are showing 7% ownership on right now.
74:39Uh, I, I think I briefly mentioned him before, but the way I look at this is he's 5,300 tracking for single digit ownership.
74:47Uh, I I'm too young to remember, but I'm told like back in the glory days of DFS, when the fields were
74:54softer, uh, Carnell Tate would probably be 25% rostered after the week that he just had, uh, in the glory days of point chasing.
75:02That's not the case anymore, but like now I want to do the point chase sort of, and it's not just a point chase to be clear.
75:11Tate, uh, by first read, first read target share through any rookie wide receivers, first four games in the fantasy points data
75:18era ranks third best behind only Drake London and Puka Nakua.
75:22The usage has been amazing. He leads all wide receivers in air yard share, uh, with the Texans allowing the second most
75:29receiving yards per game on the deep ball, the second most schedule adjusted fantasy points per game to opposing wide receivers.
75:36It's a big spread as it usually is for the Titans.
75:40They should have to drop back and throw a lot.
75:43I just think there's a world here where a month from now in hindsight, we look back and are like, wow, we
75:50were able to play Carnell Tate at 5,300 against a opposing defense that it turns out has been really awful.
75:57Like D'Amico Ryan's having to take play calling back over, uh, which I, I don't know that that matters at all really, or changes anything for me.
76:06Uh, it sounded like it didn't for at any of our charters or any of our staff that we talked about it
76:13with in our projections called on Friday. So yeah, you, you just get Tate who's averaging 18.7 DK over his last two games, uh, top five fast funnel.
76:23It could just be the next ascending super amazing wide receiver talent.
76:27We didn't see that at Ohio state, but he was competing for targets with the best wide receiver prospect of all time, Jeremiah Smith.
76:35So it's understandable to some extent. He was always one of the most efficient per target receivers, uh, of any guy to come out recently.
76:43So yeah, I, I think there it's like really underrated that Tate could, I, and I don't know this, like we need
76:50to see way more, but at the price and the ownership, I'm willing to just play it until we find out.
76:57I think. I think part of it is like some of us are struggling to believe that Houston's defense is actually this bad.
77:05Like I, I, I'm certainly guilty of that where I'm like, are they really going to continue being this bad?
77:11And then they continue to be this bad, but it's like, well, that was the Cowboys.
77:17Now they, now they're playing the Titans. Are they going to really continue to be this bad?
77:22It'll be interesting to see. But yeah, I, at 7% ownership, I don't hate rolling the dice there and just hoping like,
77:30yeah, maybe they really are this bad. And Cardinal Tate really is ascending to like being a superstar at this point.
77:37Um, so yeah, I, I like the call of Cardinal Tate.
77:40Cardinal Tate at 7% certainly in my player pool.
77:43Um, any others that you want to call out?
77:46Although like I can start throwing some names at you also.
77:50Uh, yeah, I guess I'll, I'll like mention two others that super stand out Antonio Williams.
77:55I talked about him earlier with Jaden Daniels, but he, he stands out to me as one of the better punts.
78:02I would much rather play Antonio Williams. Uh, we're showing 4% projected ownership right now.
78:07And he's a few hundred cheaper than Trey Harris.
78:10I think Antonio Williams is just clearly a better play than Harris.
78:14Um, same on Roman Wilson, who is the big stand that Scott Barrett is taking this week on Wilson, where he was
78:21a full-time player in week two without Michael Pittman up at an 85% route share.
78:26Uh, he's been part-time the last two weeks, but Michael Pittman not playing this weekend.
78:31Uh, even despite him being a part-time player, Wilson, is only 60 air yards behind DK Metcalf this year.
78:37He has seen only one fewer first read target than Metcalf over the last two weeks.
78:43Uh, he just has been so efficient. It's the Mike McCarthy slot role that we were talking about before the season.
78:50Uh, in, in terms of Mike McCarthy slot receiver has almost always just finished as a wide receiver.
78:56One. I don't know that Roman Wilson's going to do that, but yeah, he's 37.
79:01700. Nobody's going to, or not nobody, but he's single digit ownership when there are punts that are projecting way higher than that.
79:08I think he's a really, really good play. Yeah.
79:11Yeah. Roman Wilson also great, great matchup. Colts defense is allowed the fourth most fantasy points per game to slot receivers on the season.
79:19Wilson 60% from the slot as, as you noted.
79:22Uh, so I like the call on Roman Wilson.
79:25I also put in my MME list, Jeremy Bernard, cause it was, it was Bernard who saw eight targets in the last
79:33game that Michael Pittman missed and also ran. Let's see if I can find my notes here real quick.
79:39Uh, 76.1% of the routes, eight targets for Jeremy Bernard, um, in that game.
79:43So he benefited. I think, um, I, I, I, I, I mean, I'm not going to say it's a step too far.
79:51It's a similar thesis. Yeah. Um, I, I, I guess, yeah, yeah.
79:55Yeah. The route shares last week were not that different Bernard at 42%.
79:59Yeah, no, I think that's fair. I would expect Wilson to play more.
80:03Um, yeah. So I guess Bernard slightly flipped him last week.
80:07Yeah. I guess. So to me, it's more the, like with Michael Pittman out.
80:12So I think that we're, we basically seen like, um, that Roman Wilson, I think is just like the, the slot receiver
80:19who, you know, run some routes that are not slot.
80:22But then Jeremy Bernard in, in week two, at least seem to take on the Michael Pittman role a little bit more,
80:30like take on the, the outside routes. Um, didn't, didn't run as much in the slot.
80:35Uh, so I think that he's the one that's going to see the bigger boost in route participation with Michael Pittman out.
80:42I could be wrong with that's, that is at least the thesis there.
80:46Um, yeah, I like it. Uh, the, the other one that I have as a pretty big target this week is I
80:54already mentioned him, but Chris bell, um, I think is ran 80% of the routes last week.
80:59Didn't do anything, but he's been, you know, 16 to 17% target share.
81:04The dolphins are going to have to be most likely throwing to keep up.
81:08I know you already said no interest in Malik Willis.
81:12They're like Chris bell literally like barely grazed. The sideline would have had a really long, nice touchdown against the Vikings.
81:19Um, this week, Malik Willis specifically, said that they like their chemistry is growing on those, like, I forget what he called it.
81:26Like those like kind of scramble plays where they have to like make something out of nothing, uh, that they're, they have chemistry developing there.
81:34So I think Chris Bella at 3,600 2% ownership, uh, kind of role ascending and getting a little bit healthier is interesting to me for tournaments.
81:43Uh, are you, I know you're not really interested in playing dolphins.
81:47I assume Chris bell is, uh, in that group of you're probably not playing a ton.
81:52Yeah. I, I, I was a Chris bell hater as a prospect.
81:56I, I never really bought the hype from an analytics perspective.
82:00Uh, I, I mentioned earlier that Kevin Coleman, like absent draft capital would clearly had like a better production profile to me than bell did.
82:08Um, so I, yeah, I've been a hater and a doubter and hating and doubting all on the dolphins has generally worked out this year.
82:17Um, but I, but I hear you. Yeah. I, I, I get it.
82:21Yeah. He had that long touchdown called back certainly could.
82:24He's the, the, the film bros definitely are much higher on Chris bell than, than I've ever been.
82:30Um, and, and yeah, you could see the breakout come at some point.
82:34All right. So it's Neil and film bros versus Ryan and trade this week.
82:39Who's it going to be Chris bell or Kevin Colm?
82:42Who's going to get the two receptions for 36 yards?
82:46And hopefully a touchdown is what we're hoping for here, I guess.
82:50Uh, but I, yeah, I'm hoping that I think Chris bell could potentially.
82:54Have more than that. So I just wanted to restate that I actually have a lot of interest there, but, uh, that is fair.
83:02I think, um, we going back to Malik neighbors at all this week.
83:06I think you can. Yeah. I said, you like James, I guess you did mention him.
83:12Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mentioned him earlier. Um, pro would probably only get there with James or on.
83:18Yeah. You can play him as a bring back in Jaden Daniels stuff, but yeah, it's a really strong matchup.
83:24It's a cover for heavy matchup that he has seen his targets per outrun yards per outrun come way up against.
83:31Uh, the commanders have been a really big pass funnel top three by pass rate over expectation allowed.
83:37They have been very vulnerable to outside wide receivers, most schedule adjusted fancy points per game allowed second fewest to the slot.
83:44So that could push targets toward Malik neighbors, uh, in a way from Isaiah likely who has had an amazing role.
83:51Like the guy had a 30% target share. Uh, he's yeah.
83:55Had just been a top five tight end by volume by expected fancy points per game.
84:00It could definitely include likely in like a double stack with neighbors and Jameis, but yeah, as a one-off for a bring
84:08back, I think I prefer neighbors because of that matchup note.
84:11Uh, the commanders have also given up a lot to opposing tight ends, but it's all been to inline tight end.
84:18So it's been to guys like Dallas Goddard, AJ Barner, Jake Ferguson, almost all of their production is comes as a result
84:26of tight ends lining up like attached to the line of scrimmage likely almost never does that.
84:31He just effectively plays slot receiver where again, they've, they've been, uh, very, very tough against slot receivers so far this year.
84:38So I, I do like the, the neighbors angle a lot.
84:42Um, as a bring back, I, yeah, maybe I will just, maybe I will play him as a one-off.
84:48I felt, yeah, you, you talked me into it last week.
84:52I, I got, yeah, I got onto the Malik neighbors train, had the awful jump scare on the first play of the
84:59game as he went, went down and looked like he re-injured his shoulder.
85:04But he, he came back and had a great game.
85:07Yeah, I, I'm into it. Yeah, that worked out so well and it could have been so much more last week if
85:14they, they just stopped targeting him in the entire second half.
85:18And then of course, all you really needed was CD lamb last week.
85:22So it, uh, it almost was a big thing and it was still ended up pretty good.
85:28Um, Josh Downs, I was so disappointed. He had like a great, great matchup, um, last week against the commanders.
85:34I guess not as good for slot receivers. Didn't really do it that week.
85:39But prior to that, he had, you know, 20 targets in the previous two games with no Alec Pierce theoretically benefited, uh, should benefit from Keenan Allen.
85:48Actually, I don't know if Keenan Allen's back for this game.
85:52Regardless, I think Josh Downs strong enough role, but not a great matchup.
85:56Um, is, is he just too expensive at this point?
85:59Or do you have any interest in Josh Downs?
86:02Yeah, I don't think I'm going to play him.
86:05Um, it's a tougher schematic matchup for him where Tyler Warren is the one who gets by far the most usage against
86:13cover three, which the Steelers, uh, have played a ton or their defensive coordinator has played over 40% of it in 15 of his last 21 games.
86:22Uh, so yeah, it's to me, I'm not that interested in any cults.
86:26Really? Daniel Jones has just played so horrendously. Uh, but yeah, especially in this spot, I'm not that interested in downs.
86:33Jalen Waddle, any interest there? So that's like the other side of the RJ Harvey coin where it's like, yeah, this offense
86:40has been completely broken every week, except for week two, uh, when Harvey was out and Jalen Waddle went off and had
86:47whatever it was like a 40% target share. Uh, I think that's like the intended plan for this offense.
86:54And maybe you could argue, yeah, there's a bit of a squeaky wheel element where Sean Payton is taking play calling back over this week.
87:02Although he was very involved in calling plays and the offensive game plan this whole time.
87:07It's not as if he just wasn't, uh, but yeah, maybe with Payton, you see usage forced back toward Waddle.
87:14I don't know though. I think this one's kind of more on Bo Nix, just constantly taking the check down, uh, going
87:21to RJ Harvey, not like, yeah, just passing up open receivers.
87:25So it's interesting. I don't know if I'll get there.
87:28Um, but yeah, I mean, Waddle at 5% is pretty good.
87:32I think I, I think I'll take like Malik neighbors straight up there though.
87:36Uh, $200 more expensive and the same projected ownership.
87:39Yeah. Uh, what one final name that I knew throughout is Casey Concepcion as a pivot off of Trey Harris.
87:46He's only a hundred dollars more expensive. Um, you know, it's, it's not a great matchup looking at schedule adjusted fancy points against the jets.
87:54Um, but Casey, like, I think he's like kind of an ascending rookie a little bit.
88:00Any interest there? Yeah, he's decent. I don't mind him.
88:03Uh, it's, it's not a good matchup for the Browns passing game in general based on schedule adjusted so far this year,
88:10but they've been the most vulnerable in the slot.
88:13It's mostly the outside wide receivers that the jets have shut down, uh, Concepcion playing.
88:18Yeah. 64% slot rate this year. Uh, yeah, just has kind of clearly like the most stable week to week role just
88:25because he gets all the design targets, all the low eight odd stuff.
88:30I think you could quibble with like, what's the upside of Concepcion at 4,200, but Hey, we're, we're playing Kendrick Bourne on this slate, man.
88:38So maybe that's like not even a fair criticism.
88:41So yeah, I, I, I am, I'm cool with Concepcion.
88:44Maybe it gets a little bit of a rushing work, you know, more, more vulnerable on the ground.
88:50Maybe it gets, uh, one of those explosive runs, uh, for Cleveland.
88:54I don't know. I have some interest. I also didn't realize he was up to 11% ownership.
89:00He was looking pretty contrarian earlier in the week when I started looking at this and he's now looking actually fairly popular.
89:07So I'll play some, but yeah, less, less exciting at 11%.
89:11Any other wide receivers that you want to talk about?
89:14Um, I think we're good. Yeah. I don't think I'm forgetting anyone major.
89:19Um, I, I wrote up Garrett Wilson as having a really strong schematic matchup against the man coverage, heavy Browns.
89:25Denzel Ward doesn't shadow anymore. Uh, Wilson's role has just been amazing.
89:29Obviously not last week because similar to Braylon Allen, the jets just didn't run nearly enough plays for anybody to matter.
89:36Uh, but I, yeah, I don't mind going back to Garrett Wilson this week at all.
89:41Uh, he's 6,600. That's probably, that's probably it at wide receiver for me.
89:46And like I said, um, when it comes to, if you're playing wide receivers outside of lions Cardinals, just real, really make sure you're stacking with your quarterback.
89:55You're choosing the stack, like the stack that can beat that game.
89:59Uh, Chris Olave. I don't know if I'm playing him like outside of Tyler shock lineups, but I think he's a great play in within a shock lineup.
90:08Like just that type of stuff, uh, is what?
90:11Yeah. I'm trying to stay really correlated at receiver this week more, more so than, than ever.
90:17Yep. I think that makes sense. All right. Let's move on to tight ends.
90:21We've already talked about several tight ends. Um, so we, you know, probably don't have that many left that we haven't talked about.
90:29Um, but you've already mentioned liking Sam Laporta quite a bit.
90:33Uh, we've talked about Trey McBride within the stacks.
90:36Brock Bowers down at 11% ownership. Um, how much interest?
90:39I guess you talked about that also. You talked about liking Brock Bowers as a pivot off of the, uh, the Arizona stack going to that Vegas stack.
90:48Um, we've talked about Isaiah likely not as good of a schematic match or a matchup as it appears on paper because
90:56he's not an inline tight end, uh, but still, you know, interested enough at 4,300 9% ownership.
91:01Are there any tight ends that we have not talked about that you want to talk about or earnings that you want
91:09to talk about more in depth than we already have?
91:12Uh, I mean, George Kittle's an amazing play. Like he will be until he gets priced up to 6.5 or 7k.
91:19Um, by Scott Barrett gave this stat on catching points, but by over your lap, over every player's last 12 games, Kittle
91:26easily leads, uh, the entire slate in fantasy points per dollar relative to the dollar amount on this slate that he costs.
91:335,200, uh, yeah, remains the top three receiver by everything per route behind only Puka Nakua, Jackson Smith and Jigba over the last two seasons.
91:42Uh, he looks freaking amazing. The screen that he took to the house was absurd.
91:47How fast that guy was moving for somebody that, yeah, a 30 year old that tours Achilles less than nine months ago.
91:54That was just insane. So yeah. Yeah. Like if like, if you're fading the McBride, Laporta chalk, um, what I guess I
92:01didn't talk about JSN really, but the Kittle JSN mini is a fun way to get off of that where yet you're
92:09still like paying way up to JSN. Uh, JSN Kittle should be pretty positively correlated.
92:14JSN's always been much better in, uh, games that stay close.
92:17Uh, so I, I think that's a strong angle, uh, to, to get some George Kittle.
92:22Um, outside of that. Yeah. Most of these tight ends don't make my heart sing a ton.
92:28Uh, I think I have some, some interest in Michael Mayer in only in Kirk Cousins lineups.
92:34Uh, mayor's role has been effectively the same both with, and without Brock Bowers.
92:38Uh, he's running the same route share. His target share is up slightly, uh, but his XFP per game has gone much
92:46higher because the Raiders offense is better with Brock Bowers.
92:49They're throwing more, they're getting downfield. They're getting to the end zone more.
92:53Uh, so mayor at 3,500 on those lineups is something I'll at least think about when I'm building.
92:59Um, I mentioned Jawan Johnson. Um, Mike Gisicki, if T Higgins is out, has been a strong play for the last couple of seasons.
93:07Um, since the start of 2024, Gisicki is average 10.6 fantasy points per game with T Higgins out compared to 6.8 PPR fantasy points per game with Higgins.
93:16I just had that stat ready to go. So since you mentioned him, I thought I'd read, uh, the, the numbers since 2024 without Higgins.
93:25Yeah. Yeah. So it's, he's had nice splits there.
93:28Um, he, he's at 10.4 expected fantasy points per game this year, despite just a 54% route share.
93:34So if we do learn that Higgins is out and maybe the Bengals go with a lot more 12 personnel, that's not real.
93:41It wasn't fully what we saw. Like Gisicki's route share didn't come up a ton, uh, after chase went out last week,
93:49but with a full week to game plan and everything that can easily change.
93:53So I, I like that. Like him if, yeah, if we're missing, uh, T Higgins for sure.
93:59Uh, I think I mentioned Tucker craft briefly. He has a good schematic matchup.
94:04Uh, his, the only target he didn't catch last week was a drop in the end zone.
94:09So he could have had, he could have scored over 20 DK if he had just held onto that one.
94:16Uh, the, yeah, he's been much better against single high, which the bears play a lot of.
94:21There's just so many good tight ends this week, man.
94:25Like I feel like I'm going to have a lot of tight end in the flex this week.
94:31And I, I I'm someone that don't like consciously try it.
94:34Cause that that's to me, that's like the easiest fancy play syndrome to get into is like, Oh, I'm going to do a tight end in the flex.
94:44They'll never see this coming. Uh, but I think it's just what you should do this week.
94:49Uh, like Sam Laporta for us, he projects, he's, he's our third best tight end by points per dollar.
94:56He's better than all, but six wide receivers on the slate by fantasy points per dollar.
95:01Uh, just the, yeah, the, the tight end values are so good.
95:05Uh, the, especially the top four that we mentioned, uh, McBride, Laporta, Bowers, Kittle, all of those do have slate wrecking upside just by themselves.
95:13Uh, even like outside of, are they good values?
95:16So I, yeah, I do think like play multiple tight ends this week.
95:20If you're trying to make lineups work, I think it's one of the best weeks we've had to do it in a while.
95:28Yeah. And we're about to make a couple of lineups.
95:31Maybe we'll, we'll show how that might look. Um, we also, I don't know if we mentioned Colston Loveland to me, he's
95:39like certainly interesting if you're, if you're playing the, uh, the Bajan stack or Caleb, if it ends up being Caleb.
95:46Um, so I think Colston Loveland worth, worth mentioning.
95:49Um, just cause I, I think he's going to have his week still.
95:53We really haven't seen much from Loveland, but I think those like 20 fantasy point games are coming at some point this year.
96:01And this is a good enough, you know, pretty strong matchup with green Bay.
96:05So I wanted to throw that. Uh, do you, do you think, um, do you have any, or do you agree with
96:12me on Colston Loveland being a named throughout there?
96:15Um, so my concern with Loveland and I'm confirming this as I'm talking, but his route participation has come down.
96:22Uh, so in week one, it was at 84%.
96:25And that was what, of course he did nothing in week one, but I was like, man, I feel good about the
96:32Colston Loveland thesis because coming into the year, I, I was in on him because it was okay.
96:38The bears just played a ton of two tight end sets.
96:42Loveland was clearly leading in production and routes on all of those plays.
96:46Why would they not just do that? Uh, in, in 2026, they left DJ Morgo.
96:51It clearly seemed to be how they were building their team.
96:55But yeah, with the emergence of Kalief Raymond, Loveland's been at 62%, 65%, 66% route shares the last three weeks.
97:02That's really tough to be a difference making fantasy tight end when you're below like a 70 to 75% route share.
97:09So much of the appeal of Sam Laporta this year is he, the guy leads all tight ends and routes Loveland clearly tracking way behind that.
97:17Um, and yeah, the, the team is just built in a completely different way in terms of how, yeah, how they're deploying
97:24their pass catchers and their personnel packages than I would have expected coming into the year.
97:30And that reduces a lot of my enthusiasm for Loveland on an offense that would love to be run heavy anytime it can.
97:37Uh, but yeah, I mean, if you're playing Beijing, then sure.
97:41It's sorry for the very long tangent that wasn't relevant to this slate of DFS, but yeah, if you're playing Beijing, then sure.
97:49Um, but pro yeah, I probably like Roma duns.
97:52I would say Luther burden would, would be the two I would go with in that case of I'm playing a Beijing double.
97:59Yeah. I was trying to like narrative it out.
98:02Like, well, last game they were just running a lot.
98:06Like Mononga was, you know, scoring every touchdown. So maybe they just weren't running that many routes, but yeah, the Eagles game,
98:13they were, uh, I guess they were playing from ahead against the Eagles also.
98:17So maybe, maybe there was some, some narrative stuff going on here.
98:21Then the Vikings in the, you know, bad weather in week two.
98:25So I don't know, maybe I think the routes come back at some point.
98:30Um, I'm, I'm mostly thinking of this just cause I'm looking at all of the bears route chairs and it's like, pretty
98:37like he's, he matched Luther burden last week at 67% route share to leave Raymond down at 47% last week.
98:44Um, I guess combat actually has come up also.
98:47So I don't know. I'm, I'm trying to, trying to justify it to myself, but, uh, yeah, I think you're, you're probably right.
98:55Mostly just in game sex. Should we make some lineups?
98:58Let's do it, Neil. All right, let's move over and make some lineups on draft Kings.
99:03Um, are we, are we just doing the stacks?
99:06What, what do we, what do we want to do?
99:09Do you want to do the, uh, Arizona stack Detroit stack or something completely different?
99:14Um, I think we should make one lineup that.
99:17Yeah. Stacks that game and attacks it and we can, yeah, we, we can do it however we want.
99:24We can do a, a Kendrick born. We can onslaught.
99:27Um, I actually, yeah. Why don't you pick the approach we take to it?
99:32Since I said that we'll, we'll do a game stack.
99:35All right. I am going to do golf Aminra Laporta where we're going to start with, with this golf Aminra Laporta Kendrick born.
99:43I'm tempted to act to throw McBride in here too, but we'll start with that group of four.
99:49No, I think I want to overstack it. I think I want to overstack this game.
99:54Um, but I guess I haven't decided if I would run, well, I want to do Michael Wilson or Trey McBride.
100:01So we can, we can hold off on which one to add, but I think I would like to add one more Detroit pass catcher.
100:09Um, or, or if you want to go Jameer Gibbs instead, I'll let you make the next pick.
100:15Um, let's do, let's do McBride. McBride. Love it.
100:18McBride and the flex. Uh, we both really like Deandre Swift.
100:22So let's go there. Yep. Let's go. We have 4,700 per player remaining.
100:26Let's do, uh, Braylon Allen. Yeah. Braylon Allen works for this team.
100:30All right. So defense. I mean, we could pay way down for like the Titans as a placeholder against Houston.
100:37I don't hate that. Um, San Francisco, I think is fine.
100:40Sure. San Francisco sounds okay to me. Saints also look okay against Kyler Murray at home, but, uh, we can, we'll do San Francisco for now.
100:49Then we have 6,500 left over. Um, Watson's there.
100:52Malik neighbors there. Michael, Michael, Michael, listen, we could throw in.
100:56I guess at that point we'd have maybe too much of Arizona three, three Arizona with golf would be a little bit weird.
101:03Could work, but. I feel like neighbors fits into this well and we can, I don't know if that lets us get
101:10up, up, up, hired on defense or, but yeah, we can leave it that way or whatever.
101:16We could get to the saints if you want to do that.
101:20Um, I don't know if you have a preference between the saints.
101:24I, I don't know. I watched that defense play against Michael panics and I don't, and not that.
101:30Yeah. We didn't discuss Kyler. Um, yeah, I'd rather play shock, but he he's also, yeah, I'm not going to argue against
101:37playing anybody against the saints, but yeah, 49ers work here.
101:41Uh, do we want to change either of the running backs?
101:44I don't really think we do. No, I think we're good here.
101:48Just leaving 200 on the table. Is it, yeah.
101:51Is, is it contrarian enough to I Kendrick Bourne and Malik neighbors, probably the two most contrarian pieces here.
101:58Is that, is that enough for you for a.
102:01It is three. It's contrary. And it's also contrarian.
102:03I think that we are stacking it this much.
102:06Maybe I'm wrong about that, but having the double stack with the double big bring back.
102:12I think is like close to over stacking enough.
102:15Maybe, maybe not. I don't know. Um, I think it's fine for a millimaker.
102:19I think we have enough contrarian pieces. Awesome. Let's roll it.
102:23Damn. Are you going to check your location? There we go.
102:27A while. Yeah. All right. So for the second one, we're going to do something different.
102:32Where do you want to go? Uh, I mean, I, I sort of picked the last one, so you can pick this one if you'd like.
102:41I mean, I think we agreed that we should do that.
102:44Uh, let's, I mean, we, we talked about the, the Jane Daniel stack.
102:49Want to try doing that one? Let's do it.
102:52Yeah. Daniels, Antonio Williams. Yep. Definitely Williams. I think you, we also, we, we don't have super updated injury news on Terry McLaurin right now.
103:00If he plays that he's viable in this, obviously we can, we can build it with or without him.
103:06However you feel, but I, you also don't need to double Jane and Daniels because you're so interested in the rushing, but right.
103:14Yeah. Let's, let's leave it at a single for now.
103:17Uh, and Malik neighbors ring back. I think so.
103:20Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Now, now we have a lot more salary to play with.
103:25Um, probably doing double tight end again, but I guess let's, let's go back to running back.
103:30Start there. Uh, do we just want to go back to Deandre Swift?
103:35Yeah. Can we fit Gibbs plus swift on this team?
103:38If we do double tight end, we can try.
103:41Um, if we go, depends on which double tight end we go.
103:45If we, if we go. Trey McBride and Sam Laporta, it's going to have to be a really cheap receiver, but I
103:52think we could maybe make it work. Okay. How do you, so we're playing the, I guess this is, um, this is a DFS game theory question.
104:01When you're building on this slate, if we have Gibbs, do you want to play McBride and Laporta when we don't, when
104:08obviously we're not playing the quarterbacks from that game?
104:11Like what is there a certain number of players from that game that you would max out at in a lineup if you're not playing the quarterbacks?
104:20Um, yeah, like, I don't think that I don't have like an exact answer to that, but I think like playing three
104:28from that game as like a mini stack with other quarterbacks is totally fine.
104:32Cause Jane Daniels, like especially cause it is full PPR site and you get bonuses at the hundred receiving yard.
104:39So like, it's pretty easy for Gibbs and McBride and Laporta to all go off because they each go over a hundred
104:46yards and they rack up eight receptions, whatever. Like there there's ways for the skill position players to score a ton of points without bringing along the quarterback.
104:56And especially in a lineup with Jaden Daniels, like you get one 50 yard touchdown on the ground from Jane Daniels and a couple of passing touchdowns.
105:04Like he can easily outscore both of the quarterbacks in that game and he's just 6,000.
105:10So he's more expensive than Jacoby reset, but certainly can, can outscore both those quarterbacks even as their pass catchers go off.
105:17So yeah, no, no real concern about it at this point.
105:21Maybe there gets to a point where you have, you know, five skill position players and it's like, all right, at this
105:28point, like the quarterbacks probably getting there if all these players are getting there.
105:33But yeah, I would not say we're at that point where I'm worried about it yet.
105:38But we, I mean, we're also not doing that full game stack.
105:42So we, we don't have to do the, the Laporta thing or the McBride thing.
105:47If you'd rather go a different direction with the, with the tight end and flex.
105:52You can put it in and we can see where it leaves us.
105:56We could also do, yeah. Yeah. All right. Let's put, let's put the port in there for now.
106:02All right. So that'll leave us with. 3150 per player.
106:05I mean, you can, we can pick our punt wide receiver.
106:09We just have to do a sec. Yeah. A second wide receiver punt.
106:13Yep. So obviously we could do. Born. We could go to bell.
106:17We could go to. What are the other options here?
106:21Oh, Roman Wilson, Jeremy Bernard. Yeah. Let's let's do Roman Wilson.
106:24And that leaves us enough for, again, the, the saints are there.
106:28The four, we could just go back to the 49ers.
106:32A lot of overlap. If we do 49ers, um, what else?
106:35Or like the Titans and we could, we could move up off of, uh, laporta.
106:40Um, what are, what are the other options in this, in this range?
106:45If we don't go to, I mean, I guess it sounds like you, you are pretty interested in laporta.
106:51I'm, I like laporta also just trying to think if there's a different way we could play this.
106:57Like if we, we could do, um, we could do this, the Emmanuel Wilson Seahawks mini.
107:02Does that fit or not many RB DST stack?
107:05Does that fit? Let's see Wilson. No. Oh no, they're 28.
107:09Okay. Cardinal Tate a little bit too expensive to do.
107:12I guess that's not a great correlation. Anyway, Cardinal Tate with the Titans defense.
107:17Um, yeah, there's no like much better plays than, than sound.
107:20Laporta paying up. I don't think like we could play Braylon Allen or something and pay, play the Titans defense, but, uh,
107:28maybe it just makes sense to go back to Laporta.
107:31Yeah. He's just such a, yeah. Pound for pound point for dollar.
107:35He's just so strong. Like we were saying earlier.
107:38Yeah. And then do you prefer 49ers over the saints or I guess we're not doing the giants obviously because we have Daniels, um, could do Colts.
107:47I Raiders is, I know they're, uh, yeah, I know they're away.
107:51And not favored, but like Drake, Drake may has thrown multiple interceptions in every game except for last week.
107:57Um, I don't do that. Yeah, let's do that.
108:00Perfect. Leaves a hundred on the table. We've got Jayden Daniels with Antonio Williams.
108:05Malik neighbors bring back, uh, both the under Swift and Jameer Gibbs.
108:09Uh, we have Roman Wilson as a one-off and then Trey McBride, Sam Laporta as a mini with Jameer Gibbs Raiders as a one-off defense.
108:17Boom. Two lineups built. All right, Ryan, we're going to get out of here before we get out of here.
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