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0:20This is Outside The Box for Week 4. I'm your host, Neil Orfield, and I'm here once again with Ryan Heath to
0:27be breaking down the DraftKings main slate. We're going to be looking at some of the chalk, but primarily just finding the
0:34best low own plays at each position. We're going to start at quarterback, then go to running back, receiver, tight end.
0:42At the end, we'll make some lineups here as well on DraftKings.
0:46Ryan, how are you doing today? Ryan, how are you doing today?
0:50I'm doing great, Neil. It's a really exciting slate here.
0:53I think there are so many good plays. A lot of them chalky.
0:57A lot of them not. I'm excited to talk through all of them.
1:02This is going to be a really, really fun week of NFL football, I think.
1:07Yeah, just 12 games on this one. But there's more plays that I'm really interested on this 12-game slate than there have
1:14been on the larger 13-game slate that we've had up until this point.
1:19Obviously, a lot of injuries impacting things, so then we have a good amount of value.
1:24And what do we do with that value? Does that make you, you know, do you lean into some of the more
1:32expensive stacks or the more expensive running backs? We'll get into all of that.
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2:26Okay, starting with quarterback. Two of them are above 10% projected ownership this week.
2:31Trevor Lawrence against the Bengals, Josh Allen against the Patriots.
2:34We'll start. We'll draw the line there. That's the chalk.
2:38Are you, you know, cutting either of these two from your player pool?
2:42Or are you going to be above the field on either of Trevor Lawrence or Josh Allen?
2:48No, I mean, I think both of these are right.
2:51If I were to pick my top two quarterbacks, ignoring ownership and everything this week, it's kind of hard to argue with
2:59Trevor Lawrence, Josh Allen as the chalkiest options. Lawrence is just the QB one by expected and actual fantasy points per game
3:06over his last 10 gets an amazing shootout matchup with the Bengals.
3:10The Jaguars really haven't had to play a full game like their play volume has been way down just because they have like dog walked a few teams.
3:20This could finally be our shootout. The Jaguars actually really having to try in the second half.
3:25So love Lawrence here in this spot. He's still only 5900 feels kind of crazy.
3:30Josh Allen, if I were to have like any pushback on him, it's that there are so many amazing pay up options
3:38on this slate at the running back and the wide receiver position that maybe it's a little hard to jam in Josh Allen.
3:46I think it's probably still worth doing. The craziest stat that I have on the bills this year is they have gone
3:53for a QB sneak on 80% of their design carries from the one yard line so far this year.
3:59That would rank ahead of every other team in fantasy points data history, including like the tush push Eagles the past couple of years.
4:08Allen is averaging 3.7 more points per game just on QB sneaks than any other fantasy points data era quarterback.
4:14It's pretty crazy. He can blow up a slate at any time.
4:18We know who to stack him with now, which is not a luxury that we've had with Josh Allen in years past.
4:26So, yeah, I mean, I think there's I am not going to give you anything that's going to get you off of T law or Allen.
4:35Do you have any reasons to fade either of these guys, Neil?
4:39I mean, I guess the biggest reason to potentially fade the bills would be, you know, you're dealing with a shoulder injury to Drake May.
4:47Can the Patriots keep up with the bills? And in which case, you know, Josh Allen sometimes to go into Superman mode
4:55is as Scott has told me many times, like you really need the team on the other side to be pushing.
5:02So sometimes it's the tougher matchup. So sometimes it's like Josh Allen, even against a better opposing defense.
5:08That's when you really see him elevate when the opposing offense is also good.
5:12So with the Patriots, you know, not having a fully functional, potentially not having a fully functional Drake May, I guess we'll
5:20see how much the shoulder injury actually affects him.
5:23I guess that would be my biggest concern and obviously the price tag.
5:27And I guess just the number of other quarterbacks that I like on the slate.
5:32So I guess those would be the biggest reasons to get away from Josh Allen.
5:37But yeah, it's tough to disagree with you. Like he is just on in a tier by himself as far as the ceiling goes.
5:46And it's awesome that we now know who to stack them with.
5:50So like, I don't hate to play, but I guess those are the cons for me.
5:55Yeah, the only thing I'd push back on there is in terms of it's true that in years past, we've needed the
6:03other team to push for Allen to go Superman mode.
6:06But the Bills pass rate over expectation has been way up this year relative to previous seasons when Sean McDermott was their head coach.
6:14I think he kind of liked having the defense get helped out by being kept off the field, going slower, run heavy.
6:21That's not been the case for the Bills so far this year with Joe Brady, a head coach.
6:28So to me, that consideration has been like eliminated.
6:31So it makes it harder for me to argue against Allen.
6:34Yeah, I think that that is fair. So far this year, it does look a little bit different for Josh Allen and the Bills offense.
6:43So let's start looking at some of the less chalky plays.
6:46So we started with the chalkiest plays on the slate at quarterback, looking at some of the, you know, a little bit lower owned.
6:55And I guess we can start on the other side of that Trevor Lawrence game is Joe Burrow, who I think is also looking at, yes, 80% ownership.
7:04So he is next up, but, you know, a little bit lower ownership on Burrow.
7:09And with Jacksonville, that defense, I guess, I don't know how you are reading that defense at this point, because I think
7:17we were expecting it to be more of a pass funnel.
7:20I think I saw you tweeting out how that hasn't really been the case so far this year.
7:26How does that impact your level of interest in Burrow?
7:30And do you think you'll be playing him? The trickiest thing with Burrow to me is, yeah, while he is going to
7:37be less popular than Trevor Lawrence, according to our projected ownership, that's not really the case for his wide receivers.
7:44Like everybody is going to play specifically the Burrow Chase Higgins double.
7:48It's kind of the only way to play him that feels super comfortable.
7:52Chase and T Higgins, we both have top five ownership projections on at their position.
7:57So that's like maybe one con against it. But hey, it's Joe Burrow.
8:0224.6 DraftKings fantasy points per game in games with a total above 50 over the past four seasons.
8:08He absolutely has the ceiling that we're looking for.
8:11I think with him, it is just how do you get different if you're stacking him?
8:16I think Mike Gesicki at 3300 might be a decent way to do that.
8:21But the Bengals have no ancillary wide receivers. They're going to have to play a lot more 12 personnel.
8:28Andre Yosavosh is out. Another one of their like depth wide receivers is out.
8:32Gesicki's been running like half the routes so far this year.
8:36He's been above 11 expected fantasy points in two of three games.
8:40Only 3300. Like you're going to have to save salary on these Burrow lineups anyway.
8:45I think mixing him in is pretty interesting in a way that makes it's just an angle that makes me like Burrow more.
8:53So yeah, Burrow's good. I'm not. I'm. Yeah, I like Burrow.
8:57Yeah. So I mean, we're playing some of the chalk.
9:00So where are you getting different on this slate of movie?
9:04We kind of like all the quarterbacks at the top.
9:07I don't know if you if you like the remaining quarterbacks on the screen right now or if there are some some
9:15lower own quarterbacks that you're targeting as well. Yeah, there's a lot of good quarterback plays so that I do want to
9:22get different at quarterbacks some this week. I'll throw I'll throw a couple out.
9:27Dak Prescott to me. We're showing 4% projected ownership right now.
9:30This is if you just compare him straight up the Dak CD Pickens double to the Burrow Chase Higgins double, you're going
9:38to get like about half or less of the ownership on that combined is what we're looking at right now.
9:45I think that's a no brainer. Like at ownership, give me the Dak double over the Burrow double.
9:51If we're going to compare it in that sense, it's an amazing spot for Prescott in a few different ways.
9:58So everyone looks at the Houston Texans and say, well, they've had a top three defense the last few years.
10:04Like, is this really a spot we want to play quarterbacks?
10:08I think it is. So far, the Texans have been a top five or a top 10 pass funnel by P.
10:15Row allowed. They've been playing a lot more single high looks lately over their last 10 games on 50% or more of
10:23their dropbacks in eight of their last 10. Dak averages 26.6 DraftKings points per game in his single high heavy matchups over the past couple of seasons.
10:32It's a really positive schematic matchup for him. George Pickens is who benefits the most.
10:37But of course, you can play the Dak CD Pickens double and get in on that.
10:42And yeah, the Texans defense just kind of hasn't clicked so far this year.
10:47I one of the notes I had on Nico Collins was that this is the first game over a 45 point over
10:54under that Collins has played in since 2024. So Vegas is adjusting here, at least in terms of actually giving this a
11:02higher over under for a Texans game, which we have rarely seen.
11:06Right. So I think this is, yeah, as I said, an amazing spot to play Dak doubles.
11:12It's the most interested I've been in Dak doubles so far this year.
11:16Yeah, Dak and the fact that Dak is contrarian in a game with a relatively high total and you love playing, you
11:23know, game stacks with the Cowboys just because, you know, their defense is not great.
11:29So you can obviously play some bringbacks as well.
11:32Do you think you'll play any of the other stack of that game?
11:36Do you go play CJ Stroud as the quarterback in any labs or do you just prefer your Texans as bringbacks?
11:43Yeah, I wanted to get to Stroud like I tried kind of writing him up.
11:48And ultimately, the conclusion I came to is over the last two seasons, he's gone over 25 DraftKings points just twice.
11:55That was against the Ravens in a game when they were down like nine of their 11 starters on defense and another
12:03game against the 49ers where they were similarly just completely decimated by injuries, playing second and third stringers at every level.
12:10The Cowboys have been somewhat beat up as a secondary.
12:13And I'm not saying I'm not necessarily defending the Cowboys defense whatsoever, but I don't know if it quite reaches the level
12:21for CJ Stroud to actually put up a ceiling game.
12:24So, yeah, I don't think I'm playing any Stroud.
12:27You can play Nico Collins as a bringback in Dak stuff.
12:31As I mentioned, it's rare that we've seen Collins in these high total games back in.
12:36If you go back to 2024 and look at him in games over a 45 point over under, he's averaging about 18
12:44DraftKings points per game, which is just fine for what his salary is.
12:48So he's a decent bringback. I don't know that you even have to, though, just because, yeah, there's so much other value on this slate.
12:56You're going to want to save salary in ways on these Dak teams like it's not required to me.
13:03OK, we have a number of pretty good cheap options at quarterback.
13:07I think this week, you know, fifty three hundred and under.
13:11We have point per dollar option. I mean, we have Kyler Murray.
13:15It looks pretty great to me. Jacoby Brissett may be an option.
13:19Jalen Daniels and then Tyson Badgen. We're not sure yet if Badgen is going to be the quarterback.
13:25Ben Johnson said we'll find out on Sunday who's actually starting for the Bears.
13:30But looking at that kind of cohort of the cheap quarterbacks that to me are all pretty viable.
13:36You have a favorite among Kyler Murray, Jacoby Brissett, Jalen Daniels, Bears quarterback or any other quarterbacks in that, you know, fifty
13:43three and hundred under range that you like. There's two that I clearly like more than the other two, and I'll give them both out.
13:52Bears quarterback, as you say, is one of my favorites.
13:55I think it will likely be Tyson Badgen. That's I think Schefter said that he thinks it'll be Badgen.
14:01Everybody around the industry is projecting that it's Badgen.
14:04And at this point, so that's my guess. Ultimately, it doesn't matter.
14:08I think either Badgen or Case Keenum would be an amazing value and an amazing play in this spot.
14:15Keenum just put up twenty four and a half DraftKings points.
14:19Badgen, we were told, played so amazingly in the preseason.
14:22Like that was what Ben Johnson said is there's a reason like he was our QB two entering the year.
14:29They were very impressed with him, it sounds like.
14:32And yeah, I just want a Ben Johnson quarterback in this spot.
14:36The Bears and Jets both ranked top ten in pace so far this year.
14:41The Jets have been a top five pass funnel by pass rate over expectation allowed.
14:46That's despite going up against the Lions and Titans for two of their games, which are teams that obviously can run the
14:53ball or like will lean toward the run on occasion.
14:56Right. But they still wanted to throw on the Jets.
15:00I think the Bears will to here. And even better, the stack has become more clear to me.
15:06Maybe I can save it for the wide receivers, but you can get really cheap and like pretty decent.
15:12Maybe the ownership will come up on the Bears when we have more clarity on who the starting quarterback is like officially.
15:20But yeah, Baygent plus Luther Burden plus Kalief Raymond is extremely cheap.
15:24Not super chalky like that. That's a really fun core to build around and kind of pay up to all of these
15:31other running backs and wide receivers that we want to play.
15:35So I think they're really strong. The other cheap QB you mentioned that I am very into is going to be Jacoby Brissett.
15:43It's a similar ish kind of thesis where we really know what the stack is.
15:48It's very clearly Michael Wilson. I'm so sad as a preseason Marvin Harrison Jr.
15:53Backer slash bag holder swinging a miss on that one because yeah, clear.
15:57We'll talk about Michael Wilson more later too, maybe.
16:00But I think he's an amazing play. This Giants defense has been absolutely awful.
16:05Yeah, they have been a really big pass funnel as well.
16:09Top three and first read target share allowed when Michael Wilson and McBride are combining for close to 75% of the Cardinals
16:16first read targets like it just could be really nice, really condensed there.
16:20And it's another similarly to the Bears like you can just play that Cardinals double and kind of do whatever you want elsewhere.
16:28Okay, and I didn't even mention James Winston. I don't think like James Winston, Gino Smith, like there's other, you know, cheaper
16:36quarterbacks that are like maybe in play. Kind of depends on how many lineups you're playing.
16:41Probably the extent to which you are interested. It's too long, cowboy.
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17:02Jetzt auf Disney+. Kyler, I mean, Kyler 5300. Is your lack of interest in Kyler because of the ownership going there?
17:09Or Justin Jefferson being out? Do you just think the Vikings are going to struggle offensively?
17:14what uh why does uh kyler not rank as well for you as the others it's i don't know i just feel
17:22gross grossed out by kyler which is annoying considering coming into the year i was making like the kyler murray bull case
17:29which is hey we get a mobile quarterback and a kevin o'connell led offense every single veteran qb that o'connell's ever coached
17:37has been a massive value has been able to average 18 to 20 draft kings points per game uh they he will
17:44always go pass heavy in the red zone like i i've made all these arguments and i believe all these arguments i
17:52just don't know like how much that carries through against the dolphins uh i just have concerns i guess in terms of
17:59the how competitive is this game how many plays are there in this game uh i think the vikings will would be
18:07happy to play a bit slower they're they're very beat up obviously justin jefferson out uh jordan mason out it's opened up
18:14like a lot of value for their position players jordan addison tj hawkinson both popping for us uh as point per dollar
18:21values and kyler does too to some extent um but yeah to to me it's just how competitive will this game remain
18:29could we just like not have a real fourth quarter where the vikings are up multiple scores and it's damon clayborne uh
18:36finally getting real action like i don't know i'm just less excited by it than i am by uh brissette or by
18:44baygent uh but it's like i i feel like a dfs standby is like hey all of this guy's pieces project really
18:51well so you should play him too and that applies to kyler i guess yeah that's kind of where i came at
18:59it from with kyler is like i was i'm loving the way tj hawkinson looks and jordan addison looks and then juwan
19:06jennyans to me is even kind of interesting so then i'm like why am i not just playing some kyler here so
19:13i kind of went from not that interested in kyler to after jefferson was ruled out being more and more like kind
19:21of talking myself into it and i think in part because i think a lot of the field is going to be
19:28grossed out by kyler and like and because there are all these other like pretty good value plays on the slate that
19:36kind of cover for him where i just like i don't think he's going to end up getting a ton of ownership
19:43so this feels to me like it could be a cheat code matchup for for kyler and for those stacks uh being
19:51really inexpensive so i think i i like it a little bit better than you do but i also i get it
19:58if you just want to play the better game environments because i don't think this is going to be a great game
20:06environment like arizona new york certainly could be chicago the jets certainly could be as well so um yeah that that does
20:13make some sense to uh to maybe just prefer those other spots any other quarterback uh that you are really interested in
20:20yeah there's a lot of guys i'm considering uh you mentioned jamis winston earlier ultimately i think it's probably just a worse
20:28version of jacoby reset but you could play him from that side of the game with isaiah likely uh but probably the
20:35the guy we haven't talked about yet that i have the most interest in is brock purdy uh i've i felt dumb
20:43for not playing a bunch of purdy last week but he's 6700 which is like too expensive for him to pop as
20:50a value or for him to pop in terms of ownership uh but another guy where multiple pieces on this team project
20:58really well christian mccaffrey probably going to be the most popular running back of the slate uh george kittle at only what
21:05is he 5k 5500 way too cheap for george kittle in a full-time role so brock purdy last week uh had a
21:1345 yard rushing touchdown get called back because of a really dumb holding penalty he would have finished with 27.8 draft kings
21:20points had that not happened even if you throw that out over his last 10 games he's the qb3 by draft kings
21:27fantasy points per game uh he's top two in fantasy points per drop back over that span uh he always leads all
21:35qbs in epa per drop back like he's just playing incredibly well this season despite kind of all the pieces of the
21:4249ers uh falling down around him and getting injured and getting sacrificed to the electrical substation so purdy's really fun to me
21:50i i think you can play him with mccaffrey just because the target share is going to be so amazing uh especially
21:57assuming that mike evans is out uh and and with kittle and that's not going to be something that a ton of
22:05people get to i think but the you're still getting to play multiple very well projecting pieces in that stack yeah purdy
22:12for me one of the five quarterbacks that i list as a target for me among the quarterbacks i think we've talked
22:19about all five of them already the targets uh that i would you know if i'm playing 20 or fewer lineups he
22:27makes that list for me i love that call purdy uh looks pretty great here any other quarterbacks you want to talk
22:34about or should we move on to running backs uh yeah no one else that like demands mention so we can move
22:42on if you don't have anybody else you want to give a shout to yeah i think that we've covered like my
22:49my actual targets um you know there are other uh quarterbacks in my player pool i'm like i guess like sort of
22:57interested in like drake may but like not really it's one of those it's like if nobody's going to play him because
23:04we're all so concerned about the shoulder and like he hasn't looked as good this year and now he plays the bills
23:12defense i'm like a little bit you can kind of make a case for it but it's not really target it's more
23:19of like yeah i guess in an mmb set i might consider that's also like difficult to figure out the stack patrick
23:26mahomes i'm like sort of interested um you know travis kelsey a strong start stacking partner rishi rice maybe ascending a little
23:34bit uh but yeah if you don't have a special interest in any of these other quarterbacks we can just move on
23:41to running back because they're all just kind of like oh they'll make my player pool but i'm not like really enthused
23:49about them yeah yeah let's just move on then there's yeah like maybe two or three other guys where it's like i
23:56like their pieces and maybe you can do a double um but that we'll probably talk about them as we get to
24:04wide receivers yeah exactly uh so christian mccaffrey 7700 projected for 31 ownership just mega chalk going to mccaffrey he's obviously just
24:11like a strong point per dollar play a little bit too cheap um but uh you know i have a little bit
24:19concerned about christian mccaffrey's expected fancy point percentage of his team dropping uh significantly this year relative to last year maybe as
24:26you alluded to maybe if mike evans is out it comes back up uh sounds like you are interested in christian mccaffrey
24:33are you interested in being above 31 percent i don't know if i'm gonna like make an effort to get above 31
24:41percent uh but i i'm not really that i don't have concerns about the role i guess is what i'd say uh
24:48last week he was right back up to an 82 percent snap share 80 percent of the backfield opportunities uh and yeah
24:56as i mentioned it's the first time the 49ers had a somewhat competitive game this is what i think a three three
25:03and a half point spread it's fairly close so i'm not too concerned in that sense that mccaffrey like sits down in
25:11the fourth quarter um maybe that's a reason to get off of him as like if if you're not playing other pieces
25:18from the game we've talked about this in previous weeks where mccaffrey probably is just a better play if you're betting on
25:25the game environment in some other way uh for it to shoot out because it is going to be harder for him
25:33to reach that ceiling like if the 49ers are blowing out the broncos i i do think he sits so it's like
25:40something to think about when he's going to be 30 percent plus owned uh but yeah the the route share is just
25:48awesome he it's it's elite usage christian mccaffrey stuff uh but yeah there there are like other really strong running back plays
25:55so it's not like the hardest thing to get away from if you want yeah and so i my my note is
26:03that mccaffrey last year uh 33.9 percent of the 49ers expected fantasy points for the season so that's really high 34 percent
26:10this year down to 23.3 percent now as you know like some of that has been game script stuff where they haven't
26:18needed to use them as much one of those games in australia where they kind of like seem to lower the usage
26:25of all of their stars um last week up a little bit to 26.3 percent still you know significantly lower than last
26:32year in terms of his the expected fantasy point um market share for for the 49ers but uh as you know like
26:40still still a very strong role uh yeah i think you know he's still like on the season 12th of all running
26:47backs in terms of his team's expected fantasy point share um so i guess i'm i'm pointing it out as a potential
26:55reason to get away from uh mccaffrey just because of the ownership at the same time like you just he projects really
27:02well point per dollar and like you said like this is a game that should be competitive uh one would think uh
27:10not necessarily because bo nix is so much better at home when this game is in in san francisco but at least
27:17theoretically uh should be should be closer um so i no issue like i'm gonna play a fair amount of mccaffrey just
27:25kind of looking for some reasons to get away and then like you said the other reason would be we have a
27:32lot of really strong running back plays on the slate um we can i guess we continue moving down the the chalk
27:39at running back so after mccaffrey yeah chase brown at 6100 getting 24 ownership aaron jones 6023 jeremiah love 5800 uh getting
27:4719 let's start with that grouping are you particularly enthusiastic about anybody from that trio or are any of them fades for
27:54you uh i'll talk about them each one by one chase brown to me is fine um i did have a note
28:02this week that i i think you were alluding to earlier which is that yeah the jaguars have been more of a
28:09run funnel so far this year uh for brown really what it comes comes down to is the role inside the 10
28:17yard line the bengals have had a really weird season so far on offense where the offense is working uh they're like
28:24top 10 in epa per play and all of those stats like they are moving the ball down the field uh they've
28:31scored on 50 percent of their drives which is tied for second most i believe but all of their scoring has weirdly
28:39been either like long touchdowns from outside of the 10 yard line thrown to their receivers uh or field goals right so
28:46it's it's just not been many drives where they've actually gotten inside the 10 which is where a lot of the fantasy
28:54value of a running back ultimately comes from it's where a lot of chase brown's fantasy value comes from that's something that
29:01you think has to regress um so i'm fine playing brown i guess i'm just a little like surprised annoyed that a
29:09player who is down it what what is he at like 15 fantasy points per game this year it is showing this
29:16much ownership um but i like i guess it makes sense everybody recognizes that the the role is really strong it's a
29:24high total game um so he he's like fine to me i'll i think 24 percent's about right um aaron jones terrifies
29:31me at 23 percent uh so same with him like the role is so much better than a six thousand dollar price
29:38tag implies uh he was up at a 91 backfield xfp share last week i had the seventh most total expected fantasy
29:46points of any running back uh with jordan mason on ir there's just like nobody else for the vikings to hand the
29:53ball off to it's a smash spot against the dolphins of course an amazing matchup a really lopsided game total like it
30:01should just be a smash spot for any running back but aaron jones is like him and aaron jones or jackson dart
30:08who has more trips to the blue medical tent per game over the last couple of seasons i think it's probably dart
30:16but it's close right aaron jones gets banged up in every single game i can't imagine that if the vikings are leading
30:23by multiple scores in the second half jones gets banged up comes out of the game usually he goes right back in
30:31but like do you really do that against the dolphins if the game is a total joke uh kevin o'connell uh and
30:38their oc have been talking about getting damon claiborne more involved seems like this week would be the time to do it
30:45uh if there were any time to give carries to your day three running back uh when you're yeah just relying on
30:5330 year old aaron jones to carry the whole load and i yeah so jones scares me because he's chalky um i
31:00think there are probably better plays uh i i think i would be interested in going under uh yeah being underweight on
31:08him jeremiah love oh yeah jeremiah love i think is a smash uh the number three overall pick i had him as
31:15one of the best running back prospects since 2018 i had him ahead of jameer gibbs as a prospect uh by the
31:23analytics behind only i think ashton jenty saquon barkley and maybe one other uh like top 10 running drafted running back i'm
31:30forgetting bijon robinson love was like up there with those names as a talent to me three down skill set that we
31:37finally saw last week uh he got basically everything except for the two minute drill and some like obvious passing down uh
31:45like third and long snaps that tyler alger came in for those aren't that valuable for running backs anyway two minute drills
31:52are uh hopefully he gets that at some point but either way we're already talking about like the workload of a top
32:0012 fantasy running back for jeremiah love who if you compare him to chase brown aaron jones even cam scadaboo some of
32:07these other running backs that are near the top of the ownership projections this week at like similar price tags jeremiah love
32:15to me is more talented than all of them at least in like a raw sense like who is going to score
32:22multiple touchdowns uh massively over perform their xfp out of all these options that's jeremiah love uh my favorite stat i had
32:30is running backs playing against jamis winston over the last three seasons uh or sorry not running backs backfields so the entire
32:37backfield playing against jamis winston over the last three seasons averages 27 fantasy points per game on draft kings which is really
32:44really strong uh by expected fantasy points per game it's like a top 10 number i think love is a really really
32:52good play uh jamis can at at any point just completely melt down turn the ball over give amazing field position to
32:59the opponent uh it's a tight spread but you have as i mentioned like the game script proofness with jeremiah love where
33:07he is being used in the passing game a strong amount uh he's already top five in targets per out run with
33:14christian mcafree jameer gives up with those guys i'm like jacked up about jeremiah love this week i think he's an awesome
33:22play yeah tough to argue and to me he's better played than mcafree with the the price tag on jeremiah love and
33:29the lower ownership um which i guess you know they're not a direct comparison it's kind of apples to oranges kind of
33:36a comparison but yeah jeremiah love looks fantastic i think i'm also more interested in in aaron jones than you are but
33:44that's probably just my homerism because i am a vikings fan um that i you know just just really want aaron jones
33:51to succeed and you know seeing the workload and now it's like oh this is just the nut matchup he's he's also
33:59been kind of frustrating in that aaron jones like you expect him to be targeted you know five times a game and
34:06the vikings really haven't been so i kind of get the reservations there especially with jeremiah love being cheaper and lower owned
34:14like like yeah jeremiah love probably probably just a better play um of uh frankly all three of those uh in the
34:2158 to 61 hundred dollar range um let's move down um a name that i'm i'm surprised not to see at the
34:29top of the ownership number and uh he's been the projection here in terms of the ownership same as everywhere else i
34:36kind of wonder if this is one that like the algo is going to say one thing and then what people actually
34:43do is going to be very different i think you know i'm talking about derrick henry against tennessee yes first game back
34:51playing against tennessee do we really believe the the 10 projected ownership would you just lean into the narrative if it is
34:5810 what are you doing with derrick henry i don't believe it's going to be 10 uh at anyone that is in
35:06our dfs channel uh in the fantasy points discord which you can get into uh with your fantasy points dfs subscription uh
35:13and anyone that's in there saw me adding darren earlier this week uh darren who does our ownership projections and and saying
35:21darren like i i understand what you i see what you just projected i understand point per dollar that that's probably what
35:28it implies uh around the industry this is what everyone else is kind of projecting to for derrick henry's ownership but there's
35:36there's no freaking way man right like do you really believe that 10 derrick henry is what we're getting in this insane
35:43smash spot against his former team the titans they're 13 and a half point favorites uh henry averages over 25 draft kings
35:50fantasy points per game in games the ravens have won by multiple scores since joining up with them in 2024 like you
35:58really think that everyone's not just jamming in derrick henry this week and he's like yeah man i mean probably like it's
36:05it's hard to i i think henry is everybody's favorite gpp play so at 10 he's a total smash he's the best
36:13play on the slate like you warp your entire strategy around getting as much of him as possible i he's not that
36:20much worse than that if he's 20 or 25 like i still think he's a really awesome play the ceiling is really
36:28strong the biggest thing you can say is yeah you there he's one of several guys that we really want to pay
36:35up for this week maybe that does keep the ownership in check uh but yeah he he's just insane insane he's interviewed
36:42about it this week he says you know they did not try to re-sign him in tennessee when when his contracts were
36:50like what come on um yeah and and and there's like unlimited value on this site so really easy to fit him
36:57into lineups even at like i look at the price tag i'm like damn derrick henry's up to 8400 that seems expensive
37:05with all these other running backs but yeah like you said it just it kind of feels inevitable um that derrick henry
37:12is is going to put up you know at least like 20 fantasy points and then from there it's how how high
37:20does it get for derrick henry obviously i see that and it's like it's not inevitable there are ways for it to
37:27fail tennessee maybe tries to sell out to stop the run etc etc but um yeah it just just it feels that
37:35way that derrick henry is kind of a guarantee to put up a big game um and i i agree with your
37:42assessment like he's awesome play at 10 percent um obviously not as great if he gets up to like 20 percent like
37:49there there is a limit where i'd be like all right this is expensive there are ways that i could you know
37:57want to get away from this and and there are other running backs that i like quite a bit on this slate
38:04so i probably wouldn't lean into 30 percent derrick henry but yeah 20 is like yeah it seems seems okay um who
38:12else who else do we like because we were talking about the chalk quite a bit and i think the the chalk
38:19at running back as scott and i talked about many times last year like oftentimes running back chalk is just good like
38:27it's just like it's projectable and they they hit their projections pretty frequently so like you don't necessarily always want to get
38:34away from the chalk at running back um but are there are there other plays that you really like or i mean
38:42if you want to talk about the the screen and i was still i guess kenneth walker cam scadaboo also fairly chalky
38:49um maybe maybe we should maybe we should just like finish out the the running backs over 10 before we get into
38:56our really low own plays i think is it just those two kenneth walker and cam scadaboo above 10 because we do
39:04have a little bit of a a jump there um in terms of the projected ownership from from gianna stuff can you
39:11can you scroll up a little bit trey um yeah i think that is just just those two to finish out the
39:19the really chalky so how much interest in in scadaboo and kenneth walker before we get into the contrarian plays i think
39:26i kind of mentioned this but i think scadaboo is just jeremiah love if he wasn't as at least theoretically incredibly talented
39:34as jeremiah love and if he wasn't on a team that i'm kind of afraid is just never going to get into
39:41the red zone uh the giants have a decent enough total like this this cardinals defense is not imposing at all so
39:48i i certainly think you can play the scadaboo side but i i would lean toward love there they're only 300 apart
39:56um so love would be my preference but hey the workload for scadaboo is is also amazing uh he's also a really
40:03big part of their passing game very game script proof just worry about uh obviously the touchdown equity for the offense um
40:11yeah and how much they'll sustain drives uh ken walker there's like not much else to say on at this point he
40:18is just what would happen if we gave one of the most explosive players in the nfl a top three workload at
40:26the running back position uh the chiefs have run that experiment this year every single week it has produced amazing fantasy results
40:33yeah walk walker's a great play i would i prefer him it's not apples to apples obviously he's the most expensive guy
40:41but i definitely prefer him to like cam scadaboo aaron jones if we're kind of ranking these uh higher owned guys sure
40:48and like we talked about there is there's plenty of value you can get to at other positions so if you want
40:55to play kenneth walker with derrick henry and christian mccaffrey i think you can make that happen uh with with some of
41:03the value elsewhere all right let's now get into the the 10 percent and lower and just kind of open it up
41:10so obviously not counting derrick henry here because we're expecting him to be higher uh but in the kind of more contrarian
41:18bucket of running backs who are your big targets uh this is weird because it's like a conditional play so if derrick
41:25henry gets steamed and i don't get to be quite as excited about him as the game script sensitive high ceiling running
41:33back payoff option uh i actually think james cook at 7400 uh also showing 10 right now but i think way less
41:40likely to get steamed up into higher than that is pretty good he's kind of a mini derrick henry uh you mentioned
41:48neil like maybe your one concern in terms of josh allen is like do the patriots push if they don't i think
41:55that clearly leads us to james cook he averages 24.7 draft kings points per game uh when the bills have won by
42:02at least a touchdown dating back to last year he's third best among all running backs in fantasy points per snap while
42:10leading behind only jameer gibbs and derrick henry his passing game role did get worse as ty johnson came back last week
42:17but in a positive game script uh bills are i think six and a half point favorites or somewhere around there that's
42:25pretty solid to me when yeah if people aren't playing james cook when the bills are expected to win i think he's
42:32always good really efficient runner i has got has been on like the the sucky side of all the bills qb sneaks
42:40at the one this year but within a single game that variance can swing the other way or they just get inside
42:47the five and cook scores from there uh that yeah lots of ways that james cook can put up a massive tournament
42:54winning score so i like him quite a bit yeah that's a nice call and i think kyron williams is like i
43:02guess not not that similar but like similar in the in the like he's just a good running back who's going to
43:09have a great workload kyron kind of fits more i guess he's in the price range of several of the other running
43:17backs that we talked about um are you going to get to kyron with you know jeremiah love and some of these
43:24other pretty strong um value options it's interesting so the one like big note that i have on the rams this week
43:32and this whole game is i think theoretically you look at rams eagles uh with davante smith out uh with puka nakua
43:39beat up and you say that this could be like an ugly defensive slug fest rams are favored like maybe you want
43:47to play kyron in a spot like that uh i could understand it certainly that the rams rushing excuse me the rams
43:54run game has been really strong this year uh the top two running backs in terms of percent of carries going five
44:01or more yards in the nfl right now are kyron williams and blake quorum uh the kyron like suddenly has amazing advanced
44:09rushing stats when all the nerds and the spreadsheet people have always hated kyron williams because he's always sucked in those it
44:16hasn't mattered this year the rams have just been such a wagon running the ball uh that he has suddenly looked really
44:24good by rush yards over expectation and all of these other ways like nerdy ways of measuring running back play so i
44:31can see it um but i think the i'm more interested if i'm playing this game and saying the eagles get out
44:39ahead and then playing the rams like through the passing game uh because they've been the fourth fastest offense in the nfl
44:46while trailing uh 26 seconds per play while trailing this year so i i don't know how it happens this is like
44:54some super galbrain stuff but maybe you can play saquon barkley and see if that's how the eagles get out ahead i
45:01don't know that that's just like something rattling in my brain i don't know if i'm gonna act on it this weekend
45:08um but that that would be like a fun kind of contrarian way to play it with i'm guessing some ownership coming
45:16to don tavey and wicks and that being like the main piece people are playing in the game uh i didn't really
45:23answer your question on kyron but no he's he's probably not near the top of my list yeah i mean you uh
45:31you know make the assumption with aaron donald out miles garrett out maybe maybe you know saquon barkley can have some success
45:38against this rams defense playing a bunch of backups um you know i guess you can theoretically make make that case but
45:46uh okay not not super interested in kyron williams um who else do you like i mean i see braillen allen's on
45:53the screen but like let's just open it up players 10 and lower who are some running backs that you are enthusiastic
46:00about this weekend if there are any yeah we should at least talk about braillen allen um let me yeah let me
46:08pull up my notes here but effectively alan i'm expecting to see at least like a 70 opportunity share he has played
46:15a good bit at the goal line uh he's gotten every single backfield touch that hasn't gone to breese hall this year
46:23uh at 5200 that's pretty strong like and even real imagine breese hall if we didn't have to worry about braillen allen
46:30vulturing him at the goal line that's kind of what we get with braillen allen this week right uh it's it's not
46:38like a foolproof spot or whatever against the bears but i i mean this defense has not been super inspiring so far
46:45um isaiah davis is the rb2 here he there was one game that breese was out in in like 2023 where allen
46:53and davis were in like a 50 50 workload split um but it was under a different uh coaching staff like this
47:00staff seems to really really like braillen allen especially in high value situations he's been playing on third downs this year like
47:07i think he's pretty good at 50 200 10 percent uh yeah do you you want to save money on this slate
47:15to pay up to like the the really high price guys um and and allen is like a fine way to do
47:22that i think okay can i ask you about another um another player in kind of a similar situation potentially emmanuel wilson
47:30with i mean it just happened uh you know what while you were on a show before this show so you maybe
47:37haven't had a lot of time to think through the you know jadarian price is out now so emmanuel wilson another player
47:45who's stepping into a bigger role he's already had a pretty big role i don't know if this ownership also reflects um
47:52reflected erion price being out maybe emmanuel wilson gets more i'm not sure how much he actually does just because i don't
47:59know if people are really enthusiastic about playing this uh kind of split backfield or what extent to what extent we expect
48:07it to be split now with jadarian price out i'm not really sure um but how much interest if any do you
48:14have in emmanuel wilson at 4700 with no jadarian price now it's a starting running back at 4700 you have to at
48:22least think through right um i think he's decent so we saw price not play the entire fourth quarter of week two
48:29in a very positive game script for the seahawks and wilson got a 76 snap share 12 of the teams uh yeah
48:3712 of the team 16 running back carries um like a pretty strong workload in that spot it was less good in
48:44week three in like a more competitive game george helani playing in passing situations more i i guess like the nitpick i
48:52would have is when they did go to emmanuel wilson as the lead back uh they actually decided to play helani in
48:59the red zone more it was i guess it was two to one inside the 10 in that fourth quarter of week
49:06two uh for in helani's favor which is super annoying because it was in wilson's favor overpriced like the three quarters before
49:14that so the seahawks just seem obsessed with subbing their main back out at the goal line kind of regardless of who
49:21it is was what i came out of that game from i would still like have that level of caution here but
49:29hey at 4700 when you can i don't know what price the seahawks defense is but that seems like a pretty good
49:36running back plus dst stack uh yeah you i think that's the best way to do it you want to lean into
49:44positive game script because hope yeah helani will play if the game is competitive if they're passing but that that seems okay
49:51to me uh i don't think emmanuel wilson's any good at football but the projection itself is going to be pretty solid
49:59um yeah as long as we don't get into like crazy steamed ownership or anything i i think it's worth playing it's
50:06it's it's worth building with and seeing what else you can get into a lineup with emmanuel wilson is maybe more the
50:13way i would put it yeah i think i agree with that like he's certainly not like a smash especially just we've
50:21talked about so much strong value at running back and elsewhere that like you don't really need to be going there with
50:28emmanuel wilson but if he does open up something you know that you can't do with other running backs i think he's
50:36a fine final piece uh to to have in your lineup um all right what else at running back do you have
50:43any others that you are targeting uh that's probably it for guys i feel really strongly about um story 5 is just
50:51off disney plus melde dich jetzt an streamer es wieder und wieder hammer und wieder nur noch einmal es ist perfekt für
50:58die ganze familie bonnie muss das sehen can we can we roll reversal there there's one neilass play that i want to
51:05ask you about and i i have a feeling based on some stuff you said pre-show that this might be a guy
51:13you're you're interested in okay let's hear it are you gonna play basial tootin neil so i i am gonna play basial
51:20tootin i uh i you may have noticed if i've seemed distracted on this show at all it's because i had just
51:28a really great staff for basial tootin and uh you know the matchup and i cannot recreate what the stat was i
51:35can't find it anywhere i i think i just looked something up wrong so i thought it was a better matchup for
51:43an explosive runner than it actually is um so but i'm still gonna play basial tootin because yes his expected fantasy points
51:50have increased a little bit week over weekend every single week up from i want to 8.4 in week one up to
51:5813.9 in week three he seems to be taking on a bigger workload um i like tootin quite a bit uh but
52:05i i sadly my best reason for playing him was uh was taken away from me when i tried to recreate it
52:12just as we were starting the stream i was not able uh yeah i still like tootin i just think good enough
52:20role he's only 5600 he's leverage off of trevor lawrence everybody wanting to play the jaguars passing attack i think you can
52:27you know play play tootin uh as leverage off of the passing attack he's an explosive runner who can just you know
52:35shorten shorten the number of plays that you're getting from from trevor lawrence uh so yeah i do have a lot of
52:42interest in basial tootin i'm just i'm still kind of kind of just very sad that i that i can't recreate the
52:50staff that i this great staff that i had thought i had of the bengals allowing tons of explosive runs i mean
52:57i'll i'll give you some help on the basial tootin propaganda i i'm always uh down for some tootin of course uh
53:05bengals have allowed the most receiving fantasy points per game to opposing running backs dating back to last season their top five
53:12if you just look at this season everything about their defense is kind of just selling out to stop the deep ball
53:19allow teams to throw short underneath and this hasn't yet been like a massive part of the jaguars offense but liam cohen
53:27is the king of running back screens uh we saw bucky irving have a smash end of his rookie season basically because
53:34of the screen game we saw it from travis achan last year i was averaging two or three fantasy points per game
53:42just on screens alone which was like a top three mark among all running backs and we've heard every week that the
53:49jet from liam cohen uh from their oc that tootin is making a lot of progress they're excited about him he's they
53:57think they can play him more in passing situations uh i i think we're gonna get a basal tootin game at some
54:04point he looks freaking amazing uh he's like third in that percent of runs that go five plus yards stat that i
54:11mentioned earlier he's up there just with the two rams guys and jeremiah love uh he's looked amazing uh i do i
54:19do think that we're going to be surprised by the workload at some point this year but i don't know when it
54:26will happen but this i agree that this would be the perfect time in terms of him being the only piece of
54:34this game that's not getting played and especially i mean you have this quarterback just kneeling on the one yard line for
54:41no other reason than to let him get a touchdown apparently that kind of shocked me last week uh with eight minutes
54:49left in the game so you know just one more reason i guess to love the tootin leverage play um all right
54:56well i'm trying to think if there are any other players that there's no no others that are like big priorities for
55:04me um i don't i don't think we really talked about ashton genti like i love the role for genti just don't
55:11love the matchup with the chiefs so that's a little bit of a tough one for me where i'm like i think
55:18i'll play some but not enough that i i think we really need to talk about it much um yeah i feel
55:26like we we have i we we talked about dave montgomery last week as being a player i really liked and i
55:33think i'm still probably going back there this week just because they're playing the cowboys and that appears to be a good
55:41matchup for running backs but uh but i can't really say that i'm as enthusiastic about it after two two two duds
55:48in a row for dave montgomery and woody marks getting the goal line carry last week um i don't know if it
55:56did it hold up again this week where it was just alternating drives kind of the way that we thought the rams
56:03were was that did that hold up in week three as well so it mostly was that in week three uh one
56:11of the notable exceptions was on a montgomery drive uh i think it was the touchdown pass to foster moreau woody marks
56:18subbed out for monty at the one yard line to pass block for the moreau touchdown but that that was particularly tilting
56:25uh if you're like looking at the drive by drive stuff and like super deep in the weeds on this backfield it's
56:33yeah they rarely sub out uh within drives this was like the only one of the only drives that the texans got
56:40montgomery into the red zone he yeah they didn't make it into the end zone and they subbed him out for woody
56:48marks so i yeah i i don't think i can get to monty this week i i wish you all all the
56:55best of luck playing david montgomery i only because of the matchup i'm like yeah maybe maybe i do it one more
57:03time but yeah certainly not something i'm really enthusiastic about um all right should we move on to wide receivers let's do
57:10it all right wide receivers uh starting at the top parker washington we've talked about playing trevor lawrence and i'm assuming that
57:17once again you're your most uh the player you're gonna be playing primarily with trevor lawrence is going to be parker washington
57:25uh you can have more than 20 percent and you go play him in lineups without doing a game stack um yes
57:32to both um parker washington's amazing i feel like i don't know i maybe like let us know in the comments do
57:40you guys want to hear me just glaze parker washington every single week i feel like we did it for the first
57:47two weeks and then the field caught up in week three and i was like yeah what do you want me to
57:55say it's parker washington he's an awesome play i'm playing him every every week it it's all the same reasons this week
58:02uh we are so uh as you're watching this on saturday you might have more news than we do uh dj turner
58:10the bangles corner uh popped up with an injury on friday i believe or an ankle thursday or friday popped up with
58:17a limited practice with an ankle i would watch his status we initially were projecting him to shadow jacoby myers because he
58:24doesn't go into the slot nearly as much uh parker washington gets moved around it's like harder to just stick an opposing
58:32number one corner onto him uh but i mean if he's out then maybe that just opens up this passing attack even
58:39more maybe jacoby myers becomes more interesting but i think either way parker washington is an amazing play uh yeah not much
58:47else to say on on that uh it's just everything we talked about with lawrence um the the bengals finally being the
58:54ones to push the jaguars yeah he's he's an awesome play garrett wilson also right there at 20 broke the slate i
59:02mean i guess i would say broke the slate but he was certainly in a lot of winning lineups last week uh
59:09are we going back to garrett wilson this week i sure yeah the the bears are i believe let me pull it
59:17up but yeah the bears are the big the third biggest deep funnel in the nfl dating back to the start of
59:24last season uh yeah allowing the third most receiving yards per game on throws of 20 plus yards downfield their bottom seven
59:31on underneath throws so just really encouraging the downfield passing uh which garrett wilson of course took advantage of this past week
59:39had two deep targets uh notably kenyon sadiq tied him for the team high in deep targets with ad mitchell out which
59:46is the case again this week so we didn't we didn't talk about uh geno smith but i like he's more expensive
59:54than playing it through the bears but i i mean i go back to that i i think is fine to literally
60:01sadiq is also priced up a bit uh at like 4k but i i think you could just run that double back
60:09and that that's pretty good to me this week yeah seems totally reasonable uh very very affordable once again i mean wilson
60:16a little bit of a pay up but with uh with geno and sadiq being relatively inexpensive easy enough to get to
60:23that one um bengals i mean it sounded like so so you said that you're more interested in playing the cowboy stack
60:31than the bengal stack so let's talk about all of those receivers how would you rank your your interest in those four
60:38receivers jamar chase t higgins uh george pickens and cd lamb what is your level of interest unless he pickens is at
60:4612 ownership jamar chase at 16 t higgins at 14 look at trey got almost all of them uh on the screen
60:53in one and then who who else are we missing there um we got higgins chase pickens oh and cd lamb at
61:01nine percent okay so what what is your level of interest in uh how would you rank those four receivers for gpps
61:08uh if i'm just ranking them like as one-offs it would go with including salary and ownership and everything it would be
61:16george pickens as my favorite play uh then probably t higgins then chase then cd um obviously you're you're playing both of
61:23them in the respective doubles and everything but yeah just as a one-off pickens is the most interesting to me uh i
61:30think i already mentioned that that texans are a very single high heavy defense over the past 10 weeks that's been massive
61:38for george pickens uh versus single high his target share goes up to 28 percent uh his yards per hour run against
61:45single high ranks third best at the position behind only puka nakua and jackson smith and jigba his target per hour run
61:53nearly doubles compared to against too high it's not often that the cowboys have run into these single high heavy matchups but
62:00i think you want to play george pickens in all of them he has the same number of targets the same number
62:08of red zone targets as cd lamb this year of course their point per game average is separated by like 16 points
62:15per game or something insane uh it's coming for george pickens i i think this is the week that the regression hits
62:23it's a really good spot for him to me uh this is where i want to put my chips in on pickens
62:30at 6 300 he's a great play uh chasing higgins i'm pretty close on fairly indifferent on what's making me rank higgins
62:37a little bit higher is jake triby had uh an awesome note in slate breakdown which is that it's actually in these
62:45high total shootout games it's higgins that actually benefits a little bit more from just more touchdowns being scored averages over 20
62:52dk per game in these uh high total shootouts i think that's probably because a lot more of higgins scoring does come
63:00from touchdowns just like as a percentage whereas chase is much more like the the volume hog the ppr cheat code plus
63:07of course he's amazing in the red zone and down the field um but it's probably like with higgins being 2k cheaper
63:15uh and slightly less owned i think that if i'm throwing one into a lineup as a one-off it's probably higgins all
63:22right so we've covered all of those wide receivers i guess the the only part of those games that we have not
63:29already covered is the bring back for the the cowboys and we have nico collins back this week are we are we
63:37ready to just put nico collins back into our lineups we think that he's healthy enough to play in dfs what's your
63:44level of interest in uh nico collins as a one-off or in game stacks where you're playing the cowboys i think i'm
63:52probably only getting to him in game stacks uh just because like that i keep saying it there are so many amazing
63:59pay up options like it might be hard for me to like make room for nico collins if i'm not playing any
64:07cowboys on the other side um but yeah i i'm not really concerned about the health i think they kind of have
64:14to put him back out there in a full-time route share like this team and this offense is completely non-viable without him
64:22uh they're oh and three that it's just been really rough sailing for the houston texans this year uh so i i
64:29think that they just totally go for it uh he was a limited practice wednesday and thursday full practice on friday i
64:36would assume there's no limitations um yeah i don't know pay attention to like the the adam schefter and ian rapaport tweet
64:44storm on sunday morning for that i guess but i imagine he's full go um and yeah he's the the clear bring
64:51back all right who else do we like at wide receiver so we've covered a lot of like wide receivers that are
64:59getting some ownership i don't know if there are any others that you like really feel the need to talk about getting
65:06over 10 percent um any like your biggest targets where you think you're way over the field or like are just totally
65:14crazy to play at over 10 percent um any anybody that you want to talk about that's getting 10 plus ownership at
65:21wide receiver yeah michael wilson uh i was super wrong about michael wilson versus marvin harrison jr coming into the year i
65:28totally gal galbrained myself on it i was writing all these articles about heavy personnel usage and wilson's targets per out run
65:36in games with marvin harrison jr and how it was like a totally fake fabrication that's just clearly not true through three
65:43weeks uh michael wilson easily leading the cardinals in first free target share with 35 that's seventh highest among all players that's
65:51ahead of trey mcbride uh just by xfp wilson would be a top 12 xfp per dollar value on this slate uh
65:58the guy's averaging 19.9 draft kings fantasy points per game over his last 11 uh he's only 5500 he's an awesome play
66:06uh i think kind of what happened was he opened the year against two really tough matchups for opposing passing games uh
66:13the the chargers and the seahawks and didn't like didn't really pop off but had the role in everything and yeah he
66:21popped off last week against the niners uh gets this giants defense that is top four in points per game allowed to
66:28outside wide receivers so far i think he's a total smash uh like worth getting way above 14 on i made the
66:35same mistake as you this off season on on michael wilson versus marvin harrison so i feel your pain it is one
66:43of the more painful mistakes to have made with with how good michael wilson is looking at this point um who else
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67:11I didn't even realize JSN is 90, 100. I guess that's why his ownership is being kept in check a little bit
67:19because he just seems to put up 40 fantasy points every week.
67:23I don't really know if there's anything much to say on the JSN front.
67:28Anybody else you want to talk about that's getting ownership?
67:31I guess I would say if Derek Henry ends up projecting for 25% ownership on Sunday morning, then I'm probably going to
67:38pivot to a lot of JSN is how I'd probably play it just as the other pay up.
67:44Guys averaging over 38 draft kings points per game this week.
67:48He has an awesome covered shell matchup. Chargers play a bunch of cover four.
67:53He's at 5.7 yards per hour run against that shell.
67:56Yeah, it's JSN. Not much else to say there.
67:59In terms of other guys, I think that's probably good for the guys above 10%.
68:04Yeah, I'm just looking and scrolling here. Jordan Addison, we kind of talked about earlier is like a strong point per dollar value.
68:12Zay Flowers, I think is interesting. Also, if Henry gets steamed, Flowers has been 34% more efficient by fantasy points per hour
68:20run than JSN has this year, which is crazy.
68:23Even if on only 25 routes, you say the obvious concern against the Titans is game script.
68:28How much will the Ravens have to throw? But Flowers, as I said, hasn't run more than 14 routes in any game this year.
68:37He put up over 25 DK on 11 routes in week one.
68:41He's just seeing JSN-esque usage. He's not priced like JSN is.
68:44I think that's a worthy place to go as well.
68:48Yeah, definitely, definitely worthy. It's one of those where it's like, I don't think that Flowers will get steamed because everybody's going
68:55to be like, well, they're not going to throw the ball.
68:59They're just going to run the ball every time with Derrick Henry.
69:03So I don't think that Flowers gets a ton of ownership.
69:07All right, let's skip to the Galbrain plays. Who do we like that's below 10% ownership?
69:12Because we like several that are a little bit chalky, but there's so many wide receiver options on the slate.
69:19So much value that we can get to. So if we scroll down on the ownership a little bit below 10%, anybody that you are leaning into.
69:28And I guess, I'll leave it open to you.
69:31Who do you like below 10%? There's a lot.
69:34And I think this is the easiest place to get different on this slate is there are just so many like sub
69:415,500 wide receivers that are going to be single digit ownership and that are easy to mix and match in lineups and
69:49let you get up to the more expensive plays.
69:52I'll fire off a few. Luther Burden and Kalief Raymond are really strong to me.
69:57The Jets have been an underneath funnel allowing mostly throws within 10 yards of the line of scrimmage.
70:03Kalief Raymond has 27% of the Bears targets within 10 yards this season.
70:07That's actually fifth highest among all wide receivers this year.
70:11Raymond has just really dominated that short area work for them.
70:15Burden's like right behind at 24%. So I think both of them are really strong.
70:20Raymond much cheaper. Of course, I would play Raymond just as a punt like in any lineup.
70:25Burden plus Raymond is a fun double. The craziest stat I had this week was going back to 2023.
70:32If you look at the yards per route run for every Ben Johnson receiver, it's number one Amon Ross St.
70:39Brown at like 2.7 way ahead of everybody. Then it's Luther Burden at 2.36 and then it's Kalief Raymond at 2.2 on
70:46more routes than Luther Burden has run for Ben Johnson.
70:49Raymond was really efficient for the Lions for a couple of seasons just in a part-time role.
70:55Now he's in a full-time role. I think this is real.
70:59I think it's a serious part of their offense that Raymond is serving a function for.
71:04As I said, he's always been efficient. It's just now in a full-time role where he's only run a few fewer routes than Colston Loveland this year.
71:13So Raymond is definitely my favorite sub 4K wide receiver punt.
71:17More efficient than Sam Laporta, Jameson Williams, Roma Dunze under Ben Johnson.
71:21Really fun play. Yeah, I always remember Kalief Raymond being a player who had a great yards per run because he was
71:29always somebody I looked at in like showdown stuff for DFS and I just always assumed like you give him a bigger
71:36role, obviously that's going to come down pretty significantly and now we're seeing it stick.
71:41So yeah, impressive stuff from Kalief Raymond. All right, who else do you got?
71:46DJ Moore, you already mentioned Josh Allen. So I assume you're playing DJ Moore as one of his stacking partners.
71:53Yup. Yeah, playing DJ Moore. He's up at a, I think it's a 0.3, 31% target per outrun rate this year in
72:00his two full games, which I did not expect out of DJ Moore whatsoever.
72:05They're using him a ton downfield. I think he's top three in air yards if you include no plays, so plays that
72:12got called back due to penalty or DP, or if you include DPI yards.
72:17There's some way to do that where it's like, yeah, DJ Moore has one of the best downfield roles in the NFL right now.
72:25So he's strong at 5,700. In terms of other cheap guys, this is gross, Neil.
72:30Like, talk me out of this, please. I've asked every single person I've talked to this week to talk me out of it, and nobody has yet.
72:39Malik Washington is 4,400. Devon Achan's out. Caleb Douglas is out.
72:43The Dolphins have no one else to throw to.
72:46Jalen Wright, not really a pass catcher. Ollie Gordon can catch passes, but what we saw in week three after Achan went
72:54out is Malik Washington started getting targets out of the backfield.
72:57I think he had two targets from the backfield alignment over the final three quarters of week three.
73:03It's a, theoretically, it's an interesting schematic matchup where the Vikings have just blitzed everybody all the time this year.
73:10It's like a 70% blitz rate. It's absurd, but like we haven't seen anything like this before.
73:16If that continues to be the case, which I think it probably will, Washington's targets per outrun, yards per outrun comes way up against the blitz.
73:25It's the same thing against two high looks. I don't know.
73:28It just makes sense to me that Washington is more of like the low route depth option, the quick, it's not really
73:36technically a check down, but like the, the, the quick out option could just be a PPR cheat code this week with
73:43no other viable short area pass catchers for the dolphins.
73:47I don't like it that much. Cause it's like how, what are his touchdown odds?
73:52Not very high, but he projects pretty decently for us, especially for a wide receiver under five K.
73:58So he's like someone I might mix in like against my better judgment, but yeah, talk me out of it, please.
74:05Neil. So I, I also listed him in my player pool, sadly.
74:09But I think that the reason to not get excited about it is he's on the dolphins.
74:15Like, has anybody done anything on the dolphins really this year?
74:18And like, he's, he's 4,400. So he's not exactly like the $3,000 punt wide receiver.
74:23You do need something from him. You need like 15 fantasy points to be really happy you played him.
74:30I mean, if you played like you can get away with like 10 or 11, but you're probably not winning a large field tournament.
74:38So yeah, I think he's, he's fine. And I definitely see the case for him.
74:43But yeah, if you're looking for a reason to not get excited about it, I would say, yeah, there, what is the
74:51upside on this dolphins offense when they're just not going to score any points.
74:55But if you are playing like Kyler Murray, like I am, I do think Malik Washington, probably the best option on, on the dolphins.
75:03So I, I can't really talk you often because I'm also playing a bit, but I'm also not, I'm probably not going
75:11to play a ton of him outside of those Viking stacks.
75:15I think that is where I'm like, you know what, if I want to do a bring back, I think he makes
75:22sense as the bring back option because like you said, he's just, he's had a pretty good role in the passing game.
75:29He's, you know, being targeted five first three targets, like 7.7 or something targets per game, decent role.
75:36And then yeah, three, three carries over the past few weeks and some targets out of the backfield.
75:42So yeah, decent, decent role for Malik Washington. It's just a matter of like the reason that we were never that excited
75:49to play Devon H and like, yeah, it's just like how, how many points is this team going to score?
75:56How many, like even like first downs are they going to get?
76:00Like, are they going to be able to extend drives enough that he's going to get any kind of volume?
76:07Um, so I think if you're looking for reasons to not play him, I would say just remember that he's on the
76:14dolphins and they might just not get many first downs.
76:17Um, also he's like this. He's more expensive than Don Tavian.
76:21Wicks is right there at 4,300. Uh, and then Wicks playing without, uh, Devonta Smith there theoretically, at least a good play.
76:29He's, he's been pretty great this year. Um, so there you go.
76:33There's your reasons. Yeah. I definitely liked Washington more before the Don Tavian Wicks value opened up with Smith confirmed out.
76:40Uh, but also like we're talking about Don Tavian Wicks, man.
76:43Uh, we, we have a joke in our projections meeting, uh, every week that Adonai Mitchell doesn't play it.
76:50It's like, thank God I don't have to clench my, I think I told the story on catching points last week that
76:57I got like a jaw condition from Adonai Mitchell, uh, once upon a time from playing him.
77:03Yeah. I think it was on this show. I heard it.
77:07Yeah. I definitely talked about it last week. Um, but Don Tavian Wicks is like the one Oh two of TMJ jaw
77:14condition stress for me when I'm playing him because it, it's the same thing.
77:19The guy is an amazing target earner. It's a 25% target per hour run over the last three seasons.
77:25Uh, but he, he is liable to go for 20 XFP, but eight actual fantasy points because he had three drops on
77:33eight targets like that that's totally in the realm of possibility for Wicks.
77:37Uh, it's like a little scary. You like, we talked about, Hey, the dolphin, it's the dolphins.
77:43They're scary to play. I'm a little scared to play the Eagles right now.
77:48Um, like their, their offense has been just kind of not working dead for this entire season.
77:53Sean Mannion was supposed to be an evil genius, but I didn't think that evil genius was going to be bottom three
78:01in motion rate dead last and play action rate bottom seven in under centered rate.
78:06Uh, after they talked so much about how they're going to get jail and hurts under center more like they're not doing
78:13any of the efficiency hack offensive cheat codes. So if Wicks is like the only show in town and we're depending on
78:21him to not drop the football over and over, like I think he's a better punt than Malik Washington, but this is
78:28like why I'm still interested in Malik Washington is I don't think Wicks is obviously better.
78:34Um, he, the ceilings there certainly, uh, 13 DK in eight games above a 65% route share, uh, has gone over 15 and two of five over 70%.
78:43Like, he has delivered and can deliver it in, in spots like this, but it's by no means a guarantee.
78:50Like I would want to spread exposures among these guys.
78:53Yeah. I would say neither of them is, uh, like can't fail.
78:57Um, none of the cheap guys. I don't think we have any like true can't fail cheap wide receiver plays just a
79:05lot of like, yeah, it seems pretty good. Um, Kalif Raymond can't fail too big to fail.
79:11Too big to fail. Of course. Kalif Raymond. Yeah.
79:14There's the one except Kalif Raymond can't possibly fail.
79:17Um, are you going to have interest in any charge receivers if lad is out?
79:22I know lad was at practice today in uniform, but didn't actually practice is my understanding.
79:27So seems like pretty actual questionable. Um, do you think you would play any like Trey Harris or QJ?
79:34I don't think they're, they're, they're going to be strong point per dollar values in the projections.
79:39Uh, and Chris Wecht is really smart and our projections are awesome.
79:43So there's that, uh, if lad's out, but yeah, I'm probably, I'm not going to play them over any of the three punts that we just talked about.
79:53All right. Fair enough. Um, all right. Who else do you like at wide receiver?
79:58Any other names that you want to talk about?
80:01Um, there are two other big ones in my head, uh, both in the 6k range.
80:06I'll, I'll give you actually, we, we talked about one pretty extensively on caching points.
80:11So people should go check out the case that Jake Tribby made for Jalen Waddle, uh, on caching points.
80:18I thought was really great. I'm going to be using him as the bring back for any of my purdy stuff.
80:25I think you can mini him with Kittle, uh, just a really fun, like schematic angle for Waddle.
80:31Um, I, I'll go right back to Christian Watson this week at 8%.
80:35Uh, he's a little expensive at 6,700. Matthew Golden projects as a better point per dollar value.
80:41Uh, but I, I, I just think Christian Watson's better.
80:45I think he's a more explosive downfield receiver. I think he's proven that time and time again over his entire career.
80:52Uh, and the schematic matchup is way better for Watson.
80:55Uh, the Buccaneers play a ton of cover three and Watson easily leads the team in targets per outrun over the last two years against that shell.
81:04Uh, Golden over his career sees a 33% target per outrun reduction against cover three.
81:09He's not been as good of a cover three beater.
81:13Same thing with the against the blitz. Uh, Todd Bowles and the Buccaneers always blitz a ton.
81:18Uh, Watson's and Golden's target shares just like perfectly flip from 19% to 25% when they are and aren't facing a blitz.
81:26Watson's on the good side of that this week because of the Buccaneers being more blitz heavy.
81:32Uh, I think he's an awesome play that I haven't really heard people talking about.
81:37It's the same kind of thesis with the Packers where even against the Buccaneers, uh, not being able to push probably with jail on Daniels.
81:45Um, I, they just can't run the ball. Like it is a completely not viable plan for the Packers to try to run the ball right now.
81:54Uh, so even if they're in positive game script and they aren't getting pushed and all that, it just doesn't matter.
82:01It's going to be dropbacks on dropbacks. Buccaneers are a major pass funnel anyway and always have been.
82:07so yeah, I'll real just generally the Packers passing game I think is underrated this week, but Watson, especially, uh, relative to
82:15golden, uh, or maybe that's another one where it's like, if we like both of them, maybe just play Jordan love too.
82:22Um, but yeah, that was a spot I wanted to make sure we talked about.
82:27Okay. So there were only two names on my targets list that I was going to bring up.
82:33You just brought up one of them was actually Matthew golden was on my target list.
82:39Christian Watson on my GPP plays list, but you just gave your synopsis there and that's a, yeah, strong, strong reason to play Watson instead of golden.
82:48The only other name that I have listed as a target and, um, I'm curious your thoughts on Malik neighbors.
82:55You talked about wanting to stack James Winston with Isaiah likely as a, like a potential play.
83:01You could play it that way, but you said Isaiah likely you didn't say Malik neighbors.
83:06I know that the separation score is not there for Malik neighbors this year.
83:11Are you just thinking that he's not like healthy enough to, to be viable at this point?
83:16What's your reason for, for not, uh, loving neighbors if you don't love neighbors?
83:21Um, I think if you're playing James Winston stacks, you, you can play neighbors in them.
83:27I'm probably not going to go to him as a one-off for the reason you said, I just don't think the guy's healthy.
83:34Uh, the, the ass is absolutely terrible. Um, yeah, that, that's just really where I'm at.
83:40Uh, I wanted to like write up the Giants passing game again this week.
83:44It's another really strong matchup and we kind of obviously got robbed from the fun coverage shell pass funnel spot last week, uh, by the rain.
83:53And hopefully that's not a problem this week. Like maybe it just happens now, like the same James Winston thesis, uh, that
84:01we've been laying out, which is the guy leads the NFL and catchable air yards per game over the last three seasons,
84:08uh, dropbacks per game, all of that. It's theoretically like an amazing, uh, generator of fantasy opportunity for all of his receivers.
84:16Um, but yeah, I think if I was only stacking him with one, it would be likely just because the role's been there more consistently.
84:24He's cheaper, he's healthier, all, all of those reasons.
84:27Um, but probably like a fun Millie play or some, or something, uh, Malik neighbors with Jameis and likely is like how
84:35deep you'd have to go for that for me, I think.
84:38Okay. Yeah. See, I think I'm just, and I haven't heard anybody talk about Malik neighbors at all.
84:44And like, I get it. Like he, he has not looked great.
84:48I just, I, I looking at it like stepping back a little bit.
84:53I'm like, okay, you get Jameis Winston who has, you know, just peppered top receivers at times in the past, like has been kind of a kingmaker.
85:02We haven't seen it yet this year. Everybody's like Jameis just, he's terrible, whatever, which is probably true, but he's played against
85:09the Rams when he had to step in replacing Jackson Dart in game.
85:14So like not really prepared and then he's playing against a really tough defense in the Rams.
85:20And then he played in the monsoons. Like we haven't really had, like you said, like we haven't really had the full like Jameis let's go experience yet.
85:29And now we finally get potentially the full Jameis, like maybe this is where we finally see him actually make a king.
85:36And yeah, I like Malik neighbors has not been awesome, but I think, you know, they haven't really been able to sustain drives enough.
85:45If we actually see the Giants have some success, I can see we get back to, you know, double digit targets and
85:52it's like, why did we not play Malik neighbors at 6% ownership at 6,000 with, you know, Jameis peppering him.
85:59So I think for large field GPPs, at least I love Malik neighbors.
86:03I think I'm going to be playing a lot just like under the hope that maybe they just have more success offensively
86:11and also we like the other side of the game.
86:14So it's kind of a fun game stack to play Arizona and the Giants.
86:19So I guess I have a little bit more interest there in Malik neighbors, but yeah, I do.
86:25I do also see the like keeps getting hurt.
86:28The separation isn't really there this year. We didn't really think he was going to be back fully, you know, early in the season.
86:36So it was kind of the expectation that he's going to ramp up.
86:40So I see the reasons to not go there also, but I think I'll just like just lean into the like, you
86:48know, kind of low price tag, low ownership, nice spot theoretically for Malik neighbors.
86:53Yeah, I think you're right. You might, every might, one might just be double counting this.
86:58You could, you could be totally right where we came into the year knowing, okay, he's not going to be fully a
87:05hundred percent because he's coming off the ACL, like coming into training camp.
87:10We didn't even know if he would start on pup or not.
87:14Like we didn't even know if he would be playing games in week three and week four.
87:20Right. Damn. You just like talked me into it.
87:23Pretty, pretty good. Neil. I am coming around on this.
87:26Yeah. The full James Winston experience has never been tried in 2026.
87:30At least I, ah, damn, this is interesting. Yeah.
87:33All right. You're going to have fun watching it.
87:36If you play it, I think, I think it'll be fun to watch as long as, as long as he stays healthy throughout the game.
87:45All right, good. I'm glad, I'm glad that I succeeded in my mission of talking you into, to play in bleak neighbors.
87:52Hopefully it's not a six fantasy point game this week and it's a 25 fantasy point game.
87:58Uh, any other wide receivers you want to talk about?
88:01Uh, I think I'm just trying to make sure there's no, we talked about Dontavian Wicks, like obvious punt wide receivers that we haven't at least touched on.
88:11Jawan Jennings. Yeah. With Justin Jefferson out, does Jawan Jennings make the list for you?
88:16He doesn't. Um, these like Kyle Shanahan creation wide receivers just don't, don't do it for me.
88:21Uh, when they are not playing for, for Kyle Shanahan anymore, I'll, I'll be honest.
88:27Uh, we, we talked about trying to, um, we, we aren't doing this on the show, but I was telling you before
88:34the show that the player comparison tool in data suite 2.0, uh, which lets you pick a player and like a range
88:41of their career and say, okay, after year three of their career, what's been like a similar path, uh, year by year
88:49in terms of this player's stats, their fantasy points per game, their first reads, their efficiency, however you want to set it
88:56up just to see like, oh, has a player ever taken this type of trajectory before?
89:02Like how real could this player be? Uh, I was doing that a lot with Coley Framon this week because Coley Framon,
89:09uh, as I think it's like his 10th season in the NFL, uh, just coming out of nowhere, like while being efficient,
89:17but a part-time player so late in his career breaking out at this point, I was like, there can't be any comparable receiver to that, right?
89:25And there really isn't, but one of the closer ones is Jawan Jennings, uh, and I think that just speaks to Kyle
89:33Shanahan more than anybody else is, is able to just scheme targets to whoever he wants to or whoever he's forced to in the moment.
89:41I think we lived through that moment in time for Jawan Jennings, so I, I would have trouble getting to him, especially
89:49over Coley Framon, who it's like actively been happening for with a different genius play caller.
89:54Um, but yeah, I, I don't know. You, you seem more into the Vikings than me.
90:00So do you have like anything else you want to say on them?
90:04No, just that he's cheap and like theoretically, like I assume he is the wide receiver too for the Vikings now in
90:11kind of a great matchup with Miami, but you know, it's also possible that they're just not going to have to throw all that much.
90:20Uh, so I, I don't want to pound the table for like Jawan Jennings has been absolutely nothing so far this season,
90:27so it's hard to get too excited to be able to I think he's in my player pool at least just as we're talking about cheaper options.
90:36All right, cool. Yeah, that's all I have at receiver.
90:40I think we were pretty exhaustive in covering most of these guys.
90:44So yeah, I think we can move on to tight ends instead of, yeah, I'm not going to list out every name
90:51that I, I'm going to play in my 150 set.
90:55So yeah, let's talk some, some tight ends. And, uh, oh, by the way, since you brought up the, uh, you know,
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91:53Scott and the team at fantasy points. Um, all right.
91:57So TJ Hawkinson, speaking of the data suite, one thing that I looked at was TJ Hawkinson with and without Justin Jefferson back in 2023.
92:05And my God, was it a stark difference for, for Hawkinson, 9.9 targets per game in games without Justin Jefferson in 2023,
92:12uh, 17.31 fantasy points per game that season without Jefferson.
92:16That was 2023. Now Hawkinson, obviously three years older, but it's not like he's elderly.
92:21Um, I think I'm, I know I'm more into the Vikings than you are.
92:26Uh, so I'm, I'm going to be playing a lot of TJ Hawkinson at 3,300 against the dolphins.
92:32Do you think you're going to get there this week?
92:35I, I mean, yeah, there's, I, I don't hate it.
92:38Um, aside from like ownership on TJ Hawkinson, I'm always going to be a little grossed out by, but yeah, he's 3,300.
92:46The role could absolutely be there, um, in, in lineups where you need to punt tight end.
92:52I don't think he's the worst thing ever. All right.
92:55I'll take, I'll take not the worst thing ever.
92:58Uh, Trey McBride. Um, I know, I know you're interested in that game.
93:02I assume Trey McBride. Are you, are you double stacking with Brissette with, uh, with McBride and Michael Wilson and, and do
93:10you like, uh, McBride as a one-off? Uh, yeah, I definitely think you should double stack him with Brissette.
93:16Um, I, yeah, I don't know. I, I haven't put that much thought into, in terms of one-offs.
93:22Do I prefer Trey McBride or Brock Bowers? McBride, we've obviously seen it over such a larger sample, uh, in terms of,
93:30he's just going to have the utilization of, and the fantasy points per game scoring of a top five wide receiver every single week.
93:38And he's still is not priced that way on DraftKings.
93:41Uh, but it was kind of the same for Brock Bowers last week.
93:46I've been talking up this Raiders offense for the last couple of weeks, uh, where I think it's been very underrated and how well they've played.
93:55They played amazingly without Brock Bowers. They played even better with Bowers in week three.
94:00Uh, they went from like 17% to over 50% of their plays using 12 personnel, two tight end sets, uh, once Bowers
94:07came back and they just lead the league in EPA per play from 12 personnel.
94:12That was actually true both before and after Bowers came back.
94:16But the point is like when they go heavy with multiple tight ends, it's been really, really good.
94:22Uh, the Raiders are a top five offense in pace of play while trailing this year.
94:27So if the Chiefs do get up, I think we could see another just insane Brock Bowers blow up game, uh, after
94:35he just had 23 XFP, 11 first read targets last week.
94:39It's not like a coincidence to me that in Bowers first game under Clint Kubiak, he went absolutely bananas.
94:45Uh, set. I believe it was a career high first read target share or damn close to it.
94:51Uh, so yeah, I think as a one-off, I just prefer Bowers.
94:55Um, but yeah, in stacks, obviously I'm not going to tell you Trey McBride's bad.
95:00Yeah. So, so we're, I mean the, the pay up options at tight end look pretty good this week.
95:07It's not a week where I feel like there's a lot of value that I'm really, especially going after because I feel
95:14like the payups are so good in, in McBride Bowers and then even Kittle at, at 14% ownership, 5,100.
95:20I mean, you, you talked about your, your love for party.
95:24I assume that extends to, to Kittle also. Yeah.
95:27I think if I'm picking, if I'm just ranking plays, I think Kittle's the best tight end play on the slate this week.
95:35Uh, he, he was at a 42% target share after Mike Evans left the game last week.
95:41Uh, he was up at an 89% route share.
95:44I think I probably said all these stats earlier talking about Purdy, but yeah, he just is priced like a mid range wide receiver three.
95:52Uh, and he has produced like a wide receiver one, uh, in full games over the past three seasons.
95:59He, he's just great. Uh, only Puka and JSN average more fantasy points per route run over the, uh, last two seasons.
96:06Just yeah. Kittle's like pretty hard to beat at 5,100.
96:09Like that, that's going to be the tight end I have the most of, I think.
96:15Yeah. Kittle looks awesome. We just got a fun fact from, uh, producer Trey says that the Raiders and Saints game was
96:22the most tight end touchdowns in a game in NFL history, which that's funny.
96:27I did not like think about that at the time, but yeah, Brock Bowers, he points out for hours, mayors, Juwan Johnson times to Noah fan times too.
96:37That is, that is pretty nuts to get six touchdowns from tight ends.
96:41Uh, and maybe we just see that going forward with, with Brock Bowers and Michael Mayer every week just smashing.
96:48Um, yeah. So the, the payups look great. And then we get Brenton strange at 3,200.
96:53If we're leaning into the like Cincinnati against tight ends or tight ends against Cincinnati, I should say has been a thing.
97:01Uh, Mark Andrews, you know, maybe he goes overlooked with people wanting to play, um, Derek Henry instead.
97:07What, uh, do you have a lot of interest in, in these lower tight ends or are we just kind of sticking with the payups?
97:15Uh, I mean, strange against the Bengals who have given up, I think it was like 20% more fantasy points per game
97:23and like a 11% higher target market share to opposing tight ends since the start of last year than any other defense, uh, in fantasy points data history.
97:32Yeah, that sounds pretty good to me as a tight end punt at 3,200.
97:37Um, obviously like him more in game stacks for that game.
97:40The role's not actually been that great for Brenton strange, but the matchup is just so in his favor that it's hard to poke holes in it.
97:50Uh, I don't think I'm wasting a lineup on Mark Andrews when I can have George Kittle in it is cut is kind of how I'm viewing it.
97:59Uh, if he scores two touchdowns and buries me, so be it.
98:03But I, I just think Henry and flowers are such good plays that I would have trouble getting to Andrews.
98:10Um, I think you mentioned, uh, that you could go right back to the, the jets with Kenny and Sadiq, just that double stack.
98:18Is he a, is he a one-off type tight end or is he just for double stacks?
98:24I think it's gone under reported that Kenyon Sadiq was the most athletic tight end this century to attend the NFL scouting combine.
98:32Uh, that's per our spork composite athleticism score at fantasy points, uh, which I, it, I peek behind the curtain.
98:38I'm the one that calculates that, but yeah, Sadiq easily had the best one ever for a tight end hundredth percentile.
98:45Uh, and, and that is predictive at the tight end position unlike at the wide receiver position, especially just being a purely
98:53amazing athlete is highly predictive of fantasy scoring for tight end prospects.
98:57Uh, that hit earlier than I think anyone would have expected for Sadiq in week three.
99:02Uh, he, he went over a hundred receiving yards.
99:05I believe that's his first hundred receiving yard game since high school.
99:09Like the knock on Sadiq was always, he wasn't actually that productive at Oregon.
99:14Like are, are we over reading into an athlete that doesn't have like that much on field production?
99:20He, he just showed it and he showed the athleticism, uh, on the touchdown he scored.
99:26He made a couple of amazing plays down the field.
99:29Uh, so yeah, I'm willing to go right back to that.
99:33They only priced him up to 4k. Um, we, we talked about the matchup from a deep ball perspective being intriguing.
99:4080 Mitchell, Mason Taylor out again. Uh, the route share was like lower than you would want for a tight end.
99:47I think it was 56% or so. Uh, but that could very easily just come up, uh, now that he's proven to
99:54be their second best offensive weapon pretty clearly. Uh, and with Reese Hall out as well.
100:00Uh, another fun thing with Sadiq is they gave him like an end around touchdown or I don't remember if he actually scored on it or not.
100:09They gave him an end around carry in week one at the goal line.
100:14So maybe there, yeah. So maybe there's a little bit of extra rushing touchdown equity there too with Reese Hall out.
100:21Maybe that's like a package they go back to at the goal line.
100:25Uh, yeah, I, I like Sadiq a lot. If you're trying to get different at tight end, I think that's one of the best ways to go.
100:34Yeah. I think Sadiq is a very intriguing. He's also questionable.
100:38I think right now on the injury report. So we'll have to keep an eye on that, but I assume he's going to be good to go.
100:47Doesn't sound like a super serious injury. Um, I do see two, two other payups on the screen that I am interested
100:55in and Travis Kelsey and Dalton Kincaid who are, you know, kind of right around George Kittle's, uh, price tag.
101:01So because they are so close in price to Kittle, does that mean you're not going to be getting to Kelsey or
101:09Kincaid or are they going to be like, you know, depends on the lineup if you're stacking that kind of thing.
101:16Yeah. I mean, I think they're both fine if you're stacking their teams, but they're, they're not guys I was specifically targeting.
101:23Any other tight ends you are targeting? Um, there's, we, we talked about Mike already, uh, when we discussed Joe Burrow.
101:30So not much more to say on that, but I, I think he is a really good way to punt and get different in that game.
101:39Um, we, we're waiting on, do, do we know if Colby Parkinson's playing yet?
101:44I don't, I have been on shows for this one.
101:47Last I saw, he's questionable. Yeah. Uh, if Parkinson's out and maybe even if he's in, then Tyler Higby is a pretty
101:55interesting tight end punt to me at 3,100. Uh, I, I don't know where the, with, with these like low end tight
102:02end punts, I feel like on Sunday morning, like one or two of them will get steamed or they'll like get into the cash build or whatever.
102:11And they'll get a bunch of ownership. I don't know who that's going to happen to, but ignoring any of that, uh,
102:19Higby is a pretty, a pretty strong play. I think, uh, they, they just went to him constantly after Terrence Ferguson, uh, left the game in week three.
102:28So yeah, the role was just insane there. If Parkinson's also out, it's like just going to be Higby in an every down role.
102:36Uh, that that's really strong to me. Yeah, I've got Higby on my, on my, uh, go for it.
102:43Talk about it. Yeah. Well, no, I just, uh, I was going to bring up another name, uh, cause since we're talking
102:50about washed tight ends that didn't have a role before last week, um, with Devonta Smith out, do you think it's possible
102:58that Zach Earths becomes a thing this week? Devonta Smith and obviously Dallas Goddard still out.
103:03I mean, he's only been with the team. He played after only being with the team very briefly.
103:09They talked about like, I don't know if he's going to be out there and he's not the most athletic tight end.
103:17Like he'll catch it and drop to the ground.
103:20But, uh, do you think Zach Earths like maybe, maybe because they need somebody to throw the ball to, uh, is Zach
103:27Earths playable or is that, is that too fancy?
103:30Ooh, I love, I love Zach Earths as like the, in the spirit of old ass tight ends that just continue to
103:38get targets long after anybody in the fantasy world wants them to, I have always appreciated Zach Earths for that.
103:44Uh, I do think on a slate where there, there's literally Tyler Higby on the other side, there's like five other good punt tight ends we talked about.
103:54I don't know that I need to go there, but I, I appreciate the, the shout and the thought that's, that could be fun.
104:02All right. Yeah. I had to throw it out there just in case maybe he gets a little bit more involved, but
104:09I don't know how much I'll go there either.
104:12Um, all right. So are we ready to start making some lineups?
104:16Yeah, let's do it. I, I'm going to start the first one because I already know what, that I want to force
104:24you to play a Kyler Murray lineup with me since, since you don't have a lot of interest in him and I, and I want to play him.
104:33Uh, let's just, let's just do a little Kyler.
104:36So I want to do a Kyler with Jordan Addison and TJ Hawkinson, make it very simple.
104:42Um, I'm tempted to throw Aaron Jones in there also, but I, we'll, we'll just start with, uh, with that grouping.
104:49So let me throw it in there. Um, and Hawkinson and that's, I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna put any, uh, bring back here.
104:57You, you could always add one if you want to, um, since you express some interest in Malik Washington, but that's, that's
105:05gonna be up to you if you decide to add him.
105:09Yeah, we'll see if we need it, I guess.
105:12Um, okay. I want to put, let's just put Derek Henry in the lineup.
105:16Let's get it over with. All right. Derek Henry going in.
105:20Um, I think we're both pretty into Jeremiah Love, so I'm going to throw Love into the lineup.
105:26Love it. Is that, was that intended? Uh, I, I don't know if it was, oh, like love, love.
105:33Yeah. Yeah. Not intended at all, but we'll, we can pretend it was, uh, okay.
105:38Wide receivers, 5,400 per player remaining. Why don't we go?
105:41Let's do George Pickens. All right. George Pickens, 6,300.
105:44Um, let me see if there's a defense that I love.
105:48I feel like I had some opinions on defense.
105:51Um, could always go jets, could go Cardinals. Let's see.
105:54I thought I had, I had a good defense idea and now I'm, uh, yeah, I'm not, I don't love any of these defenses, but let's pay down.
106:04Let's pay down for the, um, let's go with the jets.
106:07No, let's go Cardinals because we have Jeremiah Love.
106:10The reason I was, uh, hesitant to go Cardinals is in case we want to throw Malik neighbors in there, but we'll,
106:18uh, we'll, we'll, you know, pivot if we decide to go that route.
106:22So we'll go Cardinals with Jeremiah Love. That's just a good correlation.
106:26Yeah. Fair. Um, yeah, I think Cardinals Love is good.
106:30We have 13 K remaining. Uh, how what's JSN?
106:33How much is JSN? Could we just jam him in here?
106:36We'll still have 4,000 left over if we put JSN at wide receiver, uh, which of course gets us to Jawan Jennings.
106:44Uh, but he, let's see what else do we have at 4,000?
106:48Khalif Raymond 36. Oh, we do have Khalif Raymond that we could do.
106:52We could do it that way. We could put like Ken Walker and instead, if you want to do a four, a
107:004k punt, uh, but this, this works really well.
107:03I'm surprised how easy it was to get up to some of these, uh, payups.
107:08No, and honestly, I don't think that we need to, you know, spend that 400.
107:13Like there's no clear, like we, we get better.
107:16I think by, by spending that 400, um, unless there's a tight end.
107:20No, cause we, we have Kyler Murray. So I want to do the Hawkinson thing.
107:25I think we just do this. Should we just, should we just roll with this lineup?
107:31Yeah. I think that's JSN and Henry and that's an awesome lineup to me.
107:36Yeah, I like it. So we've got Kyler Murray with Jordan Addison and TJ Hawkinson.
107:41No bring back. Derek Henry as a one-off Jeremiah love paired with the Cardinals defense.
107:46Uh, George Pickens and JSN and Kalief Raymond one-offs.
107:49So really strong lineup leaves 400 on the table on this slate.
107:53No, no issue leaving some salary on the table.
107:56Let's hope that this, uh, goes through. There we go.
107:59Went through so we can make another lineup. Oops.
108:02I did not mean to resubmit the same one.
108:05All right. draft a new team. Was that one too chalky for the Millie?
108:10Probably not. If only if Henry gets super steamed, I guess, but yeah, we, we Henry not expected to be.
108:17And honestly, uh, Kyler is not actually getting that much ownership.
108:21Obviously his, his, uh, stacking partners are getting a fair amount of ownership.
108:25Um, JSN not like crazy highly owned. So I think, I think we're okay.
108:30Awesome. Yeah. Raymond is, was showing single digits. I don't, I don't know.
108:34I, I keep expecting everyone to get onto Kalief Raymond, but maybe that one's not coming.
108:40Maybe that one's just me. People are just not believing.
108:43Yeah. All right. Let's do. I, can I do an entire, um, can I, can I, no, that that's too great.
108:50You just want to make a whole lineup on my account?
108:54Is that what you're going to say? Cause you can, you can do it.
108:58I w I was going to ask if I could do a bring back cause I mentioned it on the show.
109:06No, you can, you can. Absolutely. That's part of, if you want to include a bring back, absolutely.
109:12You can. Okay. I want Purdy CMC Kittle Waddle and you can just do whatever else you want around it.
109:18Purdy. CMC Kittle and Waddle. You got it. All right.
109:22Let's see. Um, all right. So we have 48, 60 left per player.
109:26Let's see. Who do I like a wide receiver?
109:29That's going to, uh, fit well here. I know that you're, you're just want to go, going to get, want to go right back to, uh, to Raymond.
109:39Let's see. He doesn't need to be in this lineup.
109:42That's, that's fine. Yeah. Yeah. Let's see. Um, I'm trying to think there's any like minis that I like.
109:49Well, we can, we can go a little bit cheaper at running back.
109:53So let's play one of the relatively inexpensive running backs.
109:56Um, we could go like tootin and T kind of mini.
110:00Could work. I honestly, no, you know what? I'm just going to go back to, to Jeremiah.
110:06I love Malik neighbors since we, that's just a mini that I really like.
110:11Uh, now we have 41, 66 left per player.
110:14Um, let's see if we do play Kalief Raymond, what else can we fit in here?
110:19So Raymond, we use 8,900. Uh, do you want to do a defense in a flex?
110:24Uh, sure. Show me defenses. Um, for cheaper ones, cause there, there are some like 6k range flexes.
110:30I definitely like that would be nice to get up to, um, Patriots.
110:35No chargers. No Titans. No, uh, dolphins. Is that correct?
110:38No, it's probably like a low play volume game, but like Kyler could absolutely have a meltdown.
110:44That would be pretty funny. Uh, not, would not be funny, but we could do it.
110:49Neil, but it, it would be funny. Um, scroll down a little more.
110:54I missed Cardinals jets. Yeah. Let's throw the dolphins in there and see, see what's left at flex.
111:00So we've got 6,900 Brock Bowers, Zay flowers, Saquon Barkley, Gary Wilson, Christian Watson.
111:05Yeah, that's juicy. Uh, that's so, that's such a tough decision.
111:08I love all of these guys, except for Saquon Barkley.
111:12Uh, let's go with, uh, let's, let's go with flowers in this lineup.
111:16Yeah. Cause we were assuming he's going to play.
111:19I know he's, he's questionable, but yeah, I'm assuming he's going to play.
111:24Yeah. So we, we did, uh, we did Derek Henry in the last one.
111:28Flowers probably going to be pretty contrarian. So I think that we, we have enough contrarian pieces in the lineup.
111:35All right, we're going to, we're going to play it.
111:38So we use the full salary. We go Brock Purdy with Christian McCaffrey and George Kittle with the Jalen Waddle bring back
111:46Jeremiah Love and Malik neighbors, a little mini. And then we have Kalief Raymond one off again.
111:52Uh, Zay flowers one off and the dolphins defense.
111:55There you go. Two lineups. Let's let's win a million with one of them this week.
112:00Let's do it. I love those were both awesome.
112:03Freaking lineups. I'm excited. I'm pumped. Yeah. This is our week four.
112:07We're taking it down. Yeah. Let's do it. Get ready for everybody.
112:11All right. Uh, Ryan, we're about to get out of here.
112:15Where, uh, where can we find you? What else should they look out for?
112:20Et cetera. Yeah. You can find me on Twitter at Ryan J underscore Heath.
112:24You can find all of my written work, including advanced matchups, uh, on fantasy points.com.
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112:37Uh, yeah, that that's it. Uh, get, get in discord, go listen to the Sunday morning update show with Scott Barrett and Johnny Proctor as always.
112:46And that, that's all I got. Uh, what do you, what do you want to shout out, Neil?
112:52Yeah. I mean, uh, same stuff as always. You can find a lot of my content, most of my content here at fantasy points.
113:00Um, my, my showdown written breakdowns for all of the Sunday night football, Monday night football, Thursday night football breakdowns.
113:07Those are all behind the paywall at fantasy points.
113:10Uh, otherwise you can find me in on my channel, the flannelverse YouTube channel, uh, where I do breakdowns, video breakdowns before each showdown flagship, uh, showdown slate.
113:20Um, and, and some written work there, but that's all behind the paywall.
113:24Yeah. So those are flannelverse YouTube or fantasy points are the primary places you can find me, but make sure you are
113:31checking out that, uh, that Scott and Johnny show on Sunday morning.
113:35Cause we'll have all the updated information for that one with injuries coming out.
113:40As well. Um, all right, let's get out of here.
113:44Thanks everybody. Please like subscribe, et cetera, et cetera.
113:47Good luck this week. If we don't win a million, I hope one of you does.