0:00Welcome back to the Best Ball Strategy Bible, the show where I, Ryan Heath and my co-host Jacob Sanderson are going to
0:08break down all the team builds and approaches that you can use to win these best ball tournaments this year.
0:14This week we're doing something a little bit different.
0:17We're going to talk about the merits of Week 17 playoff round stacking and then we are going to put that into
0:25action to the most maximalist extent possible for you guys in a draft.
0:29You guys can go to fantasypoints.com right now and our audio listeners can use promo code DEEP26 for 10% off any package.
0:37You can get our best ball rankings, you can get our projections, you can get all the content that you guys are
0:44going to need for your 2026 fantasy season. So go check that out, fantasypoints.com, promo code DEEP26.
0:50Alright Jacob, I have a complicated relationship with stacking in best ball.
0:54I'll be honest that just tracking which teams play each other in Week 17 and trying to make my roster comport with
1:02that is like my least favorite part about actually being in a draft room and like having to think about that constantly.
1:09But that's not to say it doesn't work. So I want to hear kind of your overall take on playoff week, Week 17 stacking in best ball.
1:18How important is it? What do you think is optimal?
1:22Alright, so first off, I just want to say today we're really talking about the intra team stacking.
1:28So team against team game stacking. I hope I really hope like in 2026, you know, we don't have to make the
1:35case that in team stacking is beneficial. I think that's been proven.
1:40Mike Leone wrote an amazing article about this like six years ago, that even in seasonal redraft leagues, you derive a material
1:47benefit from pairing a quarterback with their wide receiver or with their tight end.
1:52The relationship of players within the same game on opposing teams is a little bit more controversial.
1:58And I think that depending on the format you're playing or depending on really who you are listening to this show, you
2:05can interpret what I'm going to say as saying it's over or underrated.
2:10This is really something that kind of goes back to DFS, right?
2:14So in DFS, a while ago, it felt like the idea of the bring back, you know, you have your quarterback stacked
2:21with one or two skill position players and then tack on someone from the other team was a legitimate value add versus
2:29a lot of the lineups that people were playing.
2:32And then it became extremely common where a lot of people were playing a bring back.
2:37And interestingly, when more and more of the Sims started getting introduced to DFS over the last couple of years, especially in
2:45some smaller field contests, it started to recommend bring backs less and less.
2:49I think that's for multiple reasons. In part, it's perhaps, you know, not quite as necessary in some spots, depending on some certain game scripts.
2:58And in part because certain guys were just gobbling up a whole lot of ownership without actually projecting that well, because everybody
3:05was using the same bring back versus very popular stacks.
3:09So I think it's very situationally dependent. In best ball, the theory is the last couple of playoff weeks, especially the final
3:16week, is essentially a large DFS tournament or a midfield DFS tournament where you're competing against all these other teams.
3:23And so it's helpful to have a bring back in the same game.
3:27If you're betting on one team to score a ton of points, that's going to push the pace.
3:33It's going to provide potentially a favorable environment for the other team, especially their receivers, past game players, to help score a lot of points too.
3:42I think where I would say that it can potentially be a little bit overvalued is, one, in smaller field finals contests.
3:50So if you're entering a field where it's not like a 600 person final, it's like a 40 person final, a 50
3:57person final, you would find that I don't think DFS simulators are even saying that bring backs are particularly necessary in those type of field sizes.
4:06So I wouldn't go out of my way to do it in best ball, especially when how you get there is a little bit more abstract.
4:15I also would say it's best to use it as a pretty genuine tiebreaker.
4:20I think that it is good to get in the habit of knowing the week 17 matchups, to trying to cater towards certain game stacks when you can.
4:29But I don't think it's something where you wind up really reducing your stands to the point that you're not getting 20% of guys you want to get.
4:39You're not zeroing guys you want to zero and everybody gets smushed between 4% and 12%.
4:44Because rather than having actually strongly thought out player takes, you're forcing yourself to do a game stack with every single pick in your lineup.
4:53I think that that's overkill. So all in all, I think it's a helpful tool to put into the toolkit.
5:00I think it clearly has demonstrated benefits, especially when it's not being done by the entire field.
5:05But I think that you need to be mindful of what you're trying to accomplish, what tournament you're in, certainly as you go about doing it.
5:14Yeah, I agree with most of what you brought up there.
5:18It is just a fact, a truth in sports, in fantasy sports, in DFS, in all of these things that we do.
5:26That, yeah, correlation is generally good. It's something that you want.
5:29And yeah, wide receivers on the opposing team are generally correlated with the opposing quarterback.
5:34Just because, yeah, as teams put up points, the other team often has to chase them on the scoreboard, increases the pace, increases the plays in a game.
5:44All of that is really good. And you want to be on both sides of it if there are well-projecting pieces on both sides of the stack.
5:53And that really is where it kind of comes down to it for me, is I don't want to be taking worse
6:01players or worse projected players or players that I am significantly lower on just to form a stack.
6:07That would be true in DFS, like a one-game DFS slate.
6:11Or, yeah, sorry, not a one-game DFS slate. Like a 10-game DFS slate, a one-week slate.
6:16That's true in DFS. I don't want to stack a guy just to stack.
6:21I want to look for a nice stack. But if there is no good bringback, you don't have to use one.
6:28I completely agree with that. And, yeah, it's even more the case in Vestbal where you have to get to that Week 17 game first.
6:37There are so many, like, stumbling blocks along the way that it kind of is a little weird to plan for that
6:44if it's making it less likely for you to actually get there by picking worse players, right?
6:50So I think that it's easy to get too overboard with it in that sense.
6:55I agree that it should mostly be a tiebreaker.
6:58And I think you want to think about the best games to be stacking.
7:03I think that is legitimately worth thinking about is in Week 17 for this year, what are some of the most exciting, highest total games?
7:11Again, this is in December, so which games are in domes?
7:15I think all of that is super worth thinking about.
7:18But I don't think you need to, yeah, opposing stack by opposing team every single player in your Vestbal lineup.
7:25But we're going to do that today, I think.
7:28Just more out of the novelty than anything else.
7:31So I think this is going to be the first episode where, and you can jump in if I'm wrong, Jacob, but
7:39I think we wholeheartedly would not recommend drafting a Vestbal team in the way that the two of us are about to.
7:46Yeah, this is going to be, I mean, I think, I hope that we're going to find a way to do this
7:54where we actually do wind up getting players and teams that we like.
7:58But yeah, this is like purely a for fun exercise and an on-ramp to talk through some of the actual thoughts that there are on stacking.
8:07What we're going to do today is we're going to give ourselves two wildcard picks.
8:12But outside of that, 16 of the 18 players on the team that we draft together will be playing each other in Week 17.
8:21I'm also, I thought I just mentioned Week 17 because one thing we have not discussed in detail yet in this intro
8:28is the Week 15 or Week 16 stacking. I'm personally a belief that that is like extremely marginal to the point that I almost don't bother with it.
8:38You're talking about trying to finish in like in the top one or top two of under 20 field sizes.
8:44That's regardless of what tournament you're in, whether that's Best Ball Mania or a smaller dollar tournament.
8:50In a field size that small, I think that the advantage that you're getting from game stacking is it's not nothing, but it's pretty marginal.
8:59And it's also coming then at the direct expense of a Week 17 game stack, which actually has a benefit that is itself fairly marginal.
9:07And then here, obviously also then substituting it, substituting that instead of your player takes and whatever else structure to the point
9:15that I just think whatever gain you could get from Week 15, Week 16 stacking is just remarkably marginal to the point that it should almost be ignored.
9:24Maybe that's unpopular. I think Week 17 stacking is like a real benefit with some trade-offs.
9:30I don't really feel that same way about 15 and 16.
9:33The last thing I wanted to hit on was because you'd mentioned, you know, I wouldn't even be in on someone if they were really popular in DFS.
9:43I guess that to me is the biggest difference.
9:46There's a couple of huge differences between stacking in Best Ball and DFS.
9:51One is that the field size, even in Best Ball Mania, is not comparable to the field size of massive DFS tournaments.
9:58It is comparable, certainly, to some DFS tournaments. Two is that in a one-game sample, I am very open to playing guys
10:06in DFS that I don't feel that great about because anything can happen in a one-game sample.
10:11I mean, if you score a touchdown in DFS, like depending on your price, you might already just get into the lineup with one play.
10:20So I'm far less reliant on my player takes in a DFS setting than I am in Best Ball when I need
10:27a player to perform for me over the course of 17 weeks.
10:31The other big difference, though, where you could make a better case for it in Best Ball is just the ownership perspective.
10:39Because in DFS, some of the reasons why certain backstacks don't get promoted is that you're dealing with a consolidated ownership on certain games and certain players.
10:48Whereas, obviously, in Best Ball, the ownership for the whole season of the top 200 or so players in ADP is all going to be exactly the same.
10:58And it's completely impossible to predict what players' ownership is going to be when you actually get down into Week 17.
11:05So all of those reasons, I think, makes me a little bit leery of it.
11:10Um, uh, or of it being a direct comparison.
11:13But, um, certainly, certainly something to consider. And I think there are some ways in which it can even make a little
11:21bit more sense in DFS when you consider that universal ownership.
11:24Yeah, those are great points. Only one more thing that I wanted to kind of tack on to one of those.
11:31And it was on the Week 15 and Week 16, uh, thing that you mentioned, which is I largely agree.
11:38I'm not ever sitting here thinking about, okay, I want to get this Week 15 stack.
11:44What I will sometimes think about is just overarching, uh, like before I start drafting a bunch of teams.
11:50It can be kind of nice to know for situations like an example this year would be the Buccaneers, Falcons, and Saints
11:58all play each other in domes multiple times through Weeks 15 through 17.
12:02I think that, like, doing it divisionally like that, where you're at, like, double dipping on the stacks in the playoff weeks is maybe worth thinking about.
12:11Uh, and those are all game environments that are potentially interesting, right?
12:15So something like that to me is like, all right, that's maybe a little bit of a boost or a thing to
12:23keep in mind or a reason to especially make sure that I'm stacking my Saints with other NFC South players because I'm getting even more benefit there.
12:32Uh, but it's not, I mostly agree with you that it's not like a massive thing that I'm constantly thinking about.
12:39Um, but I think that'll do it. So yeah, as Jacob said, we are going to hop into a draft and do our absolute best to stack.
12:49Uh, yeah, to do an opposing stack for Week 17 with 16 out of our 18 picks.
12:54This is going to be a nightmare. I feel like I should have created a, like, spreadsheet just for the purposes of
13:02this show, uh, outside of just a cheat sheet that we have on screen here.
13:07No, no, no. The part of the fun, like, we're already throwing away our EV in this draft.
13:13Like, part of the fun is just going to be us having to try and remember what the fuck is going on.
13:21Yeah. Uh, so I'm excited. Um, you, this is probably going to be, like, some, uh, some nice misery that the audience
13:28is going to get to enjoy here in a moment.
13:31But yeah, we will see you guys in a few minutes once we hop into a draft.
13:37All right. We are back here in this draft room.
13:41We got the 101 in the draft where we can actually use it and actually pick whoever we want right now.
13:48There's no one on our team. There's no one that we currently have to create a stack with.
13:54So we can be totally free in our choice here.
13:57Uh, Jacob, is there any reason we shouldn't just take Jameer Gibbs at the 101 who I've had ranked as my 101?
14:05All offseason. I believe it's the same with you.
14:08It's the same with the fantasy point and striking.
14:11Is there any other direction that you would even consider going here?
14:15No, there's not. And, uh, for what it's worth, uh, this actually works out pretty well.
14:21Fire exercise. They play Chicago. We have a lot of options to add a bear at either the four or five turn
14:28or potentially Caleb Williams at the six, seven turn.
14:31So, um, I think this team is just going to build itself.
14:35Um, I get, I get my, my one-on-one in Jameer Gibbs and I also get three players.
14:41I think that I've drafted above market rates, um, available to me potentially and in burden, Loveland and Swift.
14:48So, uh, I'm, I'm excited about the start. Yeah, me as well.
14:52Uh, so I guess the way I'll do this is anytime we draft a player, I will just search up, throw in the queue.
15:00Oh, good. Anyone on their team or their matchup that we can consider.
15:04But that way we know if a guy's in the queue, he's like live for us is watching, watching, watching you try
15:12to host this show while trying to draft via the star method.
15:16We'll see how it goes. I have concerns. All right.
15:19I have not, not that much confidence in myself, but you know, we can, we will keep this queue very organized by ADP.
15:27It's all going to work out fine. Surely. Uh, yeah.
15:30And I'm already seeing myself. Oh, maybe I shouldn't have multiple of the same position in here.
15:36I can already see exactly where this is going to go wrong.
15:40Uh, but surely we will prevail here and there will not be any misclicks or misdrafts.
15:46Uh, let's wait here. I'll show the board. We can take a look.
15:50Let's talk about the two, three turn. Uh, cause that, that's a place that is kind of annoying to me as much
15:58as I love the one-on-one, as much as I think Jameer Gibbs is a smash this year.
16:04Uh, there just aren't many running backs. I actually want to click at the two, three turn.
16:09It's very much like a tight end wide receiver or wide receiver, wide receiver spot to me.
16:15Um, and, and even then it's like, I've, I just feel like the other side of the draft is a little better and more exciting.
16:24Uh, the early fourth, but what do you, what do you like typically do with the two, three turns structurally?
16:30Uh, just cause this might be the only chance we get to talk about it on this show.
16:37I don't know. Well, I hope for someone to fall, um, is plan a, but I agree.
16:42I mean, mainly because it felt like the two, three turn like a month ago just got eviscerated where Rasheed Rice used
16:50to be a guy who went there. He declined.
16:53He's on the way back a little bit. Um, but he declined after the, the knee surgery, jail combo platter.
17:00Um, and then you have Jacobs was a two, three turn staple went down after some of the, the issues off the field.
17:08Uh, neighbors has gotten some bearish injury reporting. So even if you didn't like those guys, that's now pushed other guys up.
17:15So it's made it harder. I agree. It's a tough spot.
17:19I love and Nico. Oh, AJ Brown moved way up the board.
17:23Love and Nico are the guys I like. If they get there, Nico is now gone.
17:28I bet love's going to come off the board right here.
17:32Um, and if that happens, that's when I do kind of get stuck picking someone I'm not a big fan of.
17:39Um, love doesn't go. So he is definitely one pick for me.
17:43My highest rated guy. I is probably a Raider later.
17:47I know if we pick love, but yes, we can make it work.
17:51They got some like, all right. So love, I think is, is my number one move here.
17:57And then my highest rank guy is brief. I don't really want to start three RBs.
18:03So I think probably I would advocate for like rice or Smith or flowers or like pick your wide receiver.
18:09I'm going to go with Devante Smith here. Um, that works for me.
18:14I think, yeah. I think rice is a totally fine pick here too.
18:18I think we've all gotten past the point of the off season where we're all afraid of that.
18:24Uh, but the Eagles also, they get, they get the 49ers.
18:28Yeah. Yeah. Which is nice. There's lots of 49ers that I enjoy.
18:32Uh, we get two, we get two game stacks.
18:35We don't have to complete, but if you're keeping track at home, the, we now need the bears, the niners, the Raiders.
18:43Um, so that's, that's our list. Hopefully I'm pretty sure, um, if we want to avoid Xavion Thomas, I feel pretty good
18:50about our chances to draft a bear at the four or five turn.
18:55So hopefully that closes one of these loops, but we'll, we'll see.
18:59Yeah. And it's also like we could draft multiple bears and multiple lions too, right?
19:04We don't have to have like eight different stacks or like team by team stacks, right?
19:09Like we could have three bears and two lions or whatever, right?
19:13It doesn't have not, not that that's possible, but it has to, it doesn't, it, we just can't have someone unstacked, right?
19:21We, it's not like, Oh, we have to have eight different stacks of 16 different teams.
19:26Correct. I don't know. I'm, I'm just asking you on the fly.
19:30We could do that. That would be even crazier.
19:34No, I would prefer, I mean, the goal is to draft a good team, like not to just do a bit.
19:41So I definitely think, you know, if we have, if we, if we're able to take two, even of those skill player
19:48bears at the four or five turn, potentially, you know, you come back with Caleb, like that's, that's a legitimately very good team.
19:56So. Awesome. All right. Well, I'm just sorting through some of these ADPs now trying to keep a nice and organized queue.
20:04Like that's just such a hopeless endeavor of what you're going on.
20:08But by the way, you may, you might want to zoom out just like a fraction.
20:13Just get that whole board. Let me. That whole board in.
20:17I. We're doing our best here, folks. Oh yeah.
20:20There it is. Oh yeah. We got, or we at least got most of it.
20:25That's yeah. We got enough. All right. So we're sitting here.
20:29I mean, structurally, cause obviously we're still trying to draft a structurally good team.
20:34We're sitting here now running back, running back wide receiver, which is probably my preferred way to start drafts.
20:40I didn't ask you, like you had asked me about guys at the two, three turn.
20:46How do you feel about love who we got?
20:49Was there anybody else like that either maybe almost made it to us or that went shortly after us that you have found yourself clicking there?
20:57Yeah. I mean, you hope that like London or AJ Brown falls, but that just rarely happens anymore.
21:04It used to weeks ago. Yeah. It's, it's really just Devante Smith, Rasheed Rice, George Pickens for me are the guys I'm most interested in.
21:12I've like tried very hard to talk myself into love who I think is fine.
21:17And Brees Hall, who I am now just out on for the year.
21:22I, yeah, I, I just can't get into any of the running backs there.
21:26Like love is okay. There's like a world in which the Cardinals are kind of more like chasing points, high volume.
21:34He's a good receiver. It takes over that role.
21:37I don't think Algier is a threat for it.
21:40I, I do like Michael Fleur's taste in running backs.
21:43He was using Brees Hall as an every down bell cow by week for his rookie year.
21:49Like there's totally a world where love is just immediately in a high value role and he pays off that ADP.
21:56But just for, for a four and a half win total team, like I really have to take this guy at the two, three turn.
22:05Like it just feels like rich for me. I don't know.
22:08Maybe that's, I don't mind that. Like misguided, but yeah, you can try to talk for his level of talent up into him.
22:16Um, yeah, his level of talent you're getting, you know, and level of draft capital getting into two, three turn versus we've
22:24historically drafted some of these top five pick running backs.
22:27Like for top 10, even in the first round.
22:30Um, I think you're getting a bad team discount and I think it could be a pretty functional offense.
22:37If the quarterback, okay. Loveland goes, JMO goes. Okay.
22:40So we aren't getting a bear. Well, I think we should take Swift with one of these picks.
22:46Oh yeah, we can take Swift. So that can be one of our picks.
22:51What should our other pick be? So I think we should take Swift and then the other one.
22:57Yeah. I think, I think McLaurin or Adams or Watson, like I, we should take a wide receiver.
23:03We're not, we're not accomplishing stack goals there, but that's fine by me.
23:07Yeah. Commanders give us Jaguars in week 17. That seems doable.
23:11So, okay. Let's go with McLaurin just to keep up at wide receiver.
23:16I would typically say that the running back, running back game stack is the worst, but I think that it's less bad
23:23when we're talking about two running backs who project pretty reasonably in either game script.
23:28And arguably you almost, I mean, you want them to score points because you obviously want touchdowns for both of them, but
23:36both probably project to have higher snap rates, you know, in, in higher receiving volume in trail or neutral script than they do in positive script.
23:45So I think Swift and Gibbs is like, um, not just fine, but like actually helpful.
23:50Yeah. I'd agree. I, I usually think like Jameer Gibbs, Christian McCaffrey, Dijon Robinson.
23:55I just think of those guys as wide receivers in DFS went like for stacking purposes.
24:00Yeah. You generally don't want quarterback plus. You wouldn't want like judging running backs or something like, yes.
24:06A hundred percent. Like, um, I close to don't play each other, but I was just thinking of two random running backs.
24:14Like even like, um, I don't know. I'm trying to think of a realistic running back, running back stack in the same
24:21week, but, um, well, like, yeah, I don't think you'd want to do like basial toot and jacori cross key merit.
24:28Yeah. Yeah. The whole, the, the whole point is that you're chasing a more shootout pass heavy high volume play game script.
24:36And to do that, you don't want a two down running back that needs positive game scripts, uh, to hit a ceiling outcome.
24:44So yeah, I don't think that applies to Jameer Gibbs just like whatsoever.
24:48Um, so yeah, I think what we did was fine.
24:52Um, but yeah, that's yet another thing to try to mentally keep track of.
24:56Cause honestly, that didn't even flag in my brain until you said it, but that, that is, uh, that is definitely something
25:04to think about, um, as we continue here. Um, we get, yeah, I, I, we've, I still feel like we need to, I feel behind it wide receiver.
25:13I know you are more comfortable pushing it, but, um, yeah, Parker Washington goes here who I would have loved to see fall, but it was unlikely.
25:23Uh, yeah, we should already just start planning our next pick.
25:26Probably. Can you feel, can you feel the stress levels rising here?
25:31I feel good. I mean, so I think we can start to build out, uh, like if Marvin came here, no, he
25:38just goes literally comes off the board right. As I say, this is the worst part to me of picking at the,
25:46at the one Oh one is the six, seven turn is terrible outside of quarterback.
25:51Um, Jane Daniels would, would be an auto pick for us here.
25:55Um, if he gets there, I think so it hurts.
25:58So I think we're getting at least one of those guys stacked up with our wide receivers.
26:04Um, Daniels goes, so I'm really hoping that we can do hurts.
26:08My, my preferred turn here is probably just hurts lemon at this point.
26:12Just, just make it a double stack. But yeah, I like that a lot actually.
26:18So let's hope we can get that. Uh, and yeah, and I don't have to worry about stacking for one more turn.
26:25So that's perfect. Uh, I'm in on the Eagles passing game.
26:29I have come around like completely. I think the market is just treating it as if Jalen hurts is a really bad
26:36thrower of the football and like, we'll never be better and can't work in one of these more kind of modern light.
26:44And we can just take both of them right here.
26:47Uh, and they, yeah, he can't work. He can't work in like this kind of more modern middle of the field, heavy
26:55under center play action type of offense. But like, we've seen a lot of QBs work in these like McShanahan esque offenses
27:02that everybody has thought was terrible before we saw them.
27:06So like, I'm just open to hurts, like kind of punching above his weight in efficiency.
27:11Sean Mannion just is saying all the right things hurts his career splits under center on play action, throwing at the middle
27:19of the field are all really good. Even if they're lower volume, uh, all the like inside reporting from Jeremy Fowler is
27:26basically that hurts has a totally different attitude this year where like in years past, he would like verbally fight with Kellen
27:34Moore about changing play calls and stuff, but that he's like actually bought in and wants to like change his tendencies, uh,
27:41that, that have been so sticky over the last handful of seasons.
27:45I think this might just actually work, uh, that this is an efficient passing offense, uh, for yeah, the first time in
27:53what feels like forever for the Eagles. And they're all priced as if it won't be, I think they've been efficient before.
28:00I mean, the Eagles offense, they were really low volume in 2020, um, in 2024, but like they had stretches of being awful.
28:08They also had stretches of being fine. Um, you go back to 2022, they are an extremely efficient passing offense under Shane Steichen.
28:16I mean, I think that we'll see, I think we'll see a hybrid of, of styles.
28:21Like, I don't think that it's going to look like a Kyle Shanahan offense.
28:26I think Hertz has for, for like an average NFL starting quarterback, which is what I think he is.
28:33He just has one of the most kind of like bizarre collections of strengths and weaknesses, and that he has like really,
28:40really incredible strengths and very debilitating weaknesses. And so I think you are still going to see more deep shots and less
28:48digs than you probably would, um, out of a, like LaFleur offense.
28:52Generally, if you were just getting a neutral quarterback or if Tanner McKeave is the quarterback, um, in part because of Hertz's
28:59deficiencies, but in part because I think you do want to legitimately, um, work to his strengths, which is throwing very well-placed.
29:07He's highly catchable go balls, you know, 50 yards down the field.
29:11So I think we're going to see some wrinkles.
29:14And I mean, I think that we've seen now Steichen and Kellen Moore have both run offenses that were highly functional with
29:21the Eagles, but looked a little bit different than their offenses at other places.
29:26And I don't know enough about Sean Mannion, but by all accounts, he's a well-regarded up-and-coming assistant who came from a coaching tree that I highly respect.
29:35And so he seems like a pretty good offensive coordinator higher than me.
29:40And, um, and we've seen good offensive coordinators have success with this team.
29:44So I'm pretty optimistic about Philly. I also like their collection of talent.
29:49Like I think Lemon is not A.J. Brown, but I think it's a really strong prospect and Wicks gives them a way
29:56better wide receiver three than they've ever had. Um, and they go too deep with receiving tight ends now with Stowers.
30:03So I think the collection of talent they have now is pretty interesting.
30:08We're about to come back on the clock. We're going to have no shortage of options to accomplish our stacking goals here,
30:15as well as picks that I think just make sense for this team.
30:20Um, so, uh, curious what you think here. I think we could do our second quarterback, but I don't love two quarterbacks
30:27from the same game quite as much. Um, Laporta goes my inclination would probably to go.
30:33Pure Saul Myers, who are not only stacking options, but are just legitimately my top two ranked wide receivers available.
30:39Um, I don't know if you have another thought here, maybe Purdy.
30:44Yeah, I think that's what I, I think that's what I prefer as well.
30:48Pure Saul Myers. Uh, you're yeah, it's there's, it kind of defeats the purpose to go opposing quarterbacks.
30:54Um, well, yeah, I, I would have been, I would have loved to do like a party kid old back stack or
31:02something like that, but yeah, that makes the most sense to me.
31:06We catch up at the wide receiver position. Uh, so I just need, is, is it only the Raiders that we have open still?
31:14Uh, we just closed two loops. We closed two loops.
31:18So we're, we're doing great here. We're, we're through, we're through nine picks and eight of nine are all stacked up.
31:25So we're exactly on track right now to hit our 16 out of 18 goal.
31:30Um, it's making me think this was too easy.
31:33That really fell nicely for us. I can say so far with absolute confidence that thus far, every pick that we've made
31:40with like, no, cause I was going to say with exception of Swift, but he would have been my highest ranked running
31:48back, um, available and player available at that slot.
31:51So, um, legitimately every player we've picked, at least for me has been the player I would pick if I was under no, uh, no sense of obligation.
32:01Yeah. Yeah. That that's fairly similar for me. Like I dev, I would have gone Pierce all Myers on that last turn.
32:08Uh, Hertz lemon is, I don't know if they're my two, actually they probably are my two highest ranked players there.
32:15Um, yeah. McLaurin was someone I've been meaning to draft more of.
32:19Yeah. Yeah. Basically only Swift is like a guy that I'm not normally going out of my way to click like where
32:27we did, but I think it was kind of, yeah, I think it was kind of fine just with how our build ends up.
32:35I, yeah, I certainly don't mind him over a Montgomery, a two in like the, yeah, that's not like insane insanity to me.
32:43So yeah, this is, this is actually worked out really well in my book so far as well.
32:49Um, massive run on quarterbacks. I was like kind of, kind of thinking, you know, maybe in a perfect world golf comes all the way back.
32:58He absolutely does not. Um, we will see what the quarterback situation is.
33:02We're probably going to have to do a bit of a creative backstack.
33:07Um, we have Hertz, so I don't feel like massively pressed at quarterback.
33:11I feel like we could do one medium priced one.
33:15We could also just do one or two really cheap later ones and figure out whether or not we can make a stack work there.
33:23So, um, yep. We'll see what comes back here.
33:26We know we're taking a Raider. So Mendoza could be a quarterback that we could take as well.
33:32But yeah. Yeah. Probably not this pick, um, either, either the quarterback or the Raider.
33:37So, uh, Kittle's still available, which is nice. Um, we also, okay.
33:42Golden goes off. Um, we're kind of, we're at a pretty good position here, positionally speaking.
33:47And I, and even tight end, like if Kittle gets to us, I think we should definitely smash him.
33:53Um, if not, like I, I like the tight ends in that 144 range, probably as much as I like the tight ends in this range.
34:02So, um, let's see here. See who comes to us.
34:06Yeah. I think Kittle's the clear pick. If he makes it to us, everyone else, I'm, I'm like hesitant to pick for stacking.
34:14Like, Oh, don't worry about it. We're doing great.
34:17But like, we're doing great. Are we taking like, we're doing great on the stacking front.
34:22We also get two freebies. They don't have to pair up literally everyone.
34:27So we're going to be, that's true. Yeah. Um, I think Kittle's clearly one of the first pick.
34:33Yup. Yeah. And then I would say for the second pick, um, click the running back tab quick for me.
34:39You have Aaron Jones there. I'm not like the biggest Aaron Jones guy.
34:44Um, I don't hate him. I guess that would be the pick at running back.
34:49The other options. Yeah. I think I would be Concepcion or I'd be Kelsey.
34:54Yeah. I think I'll go Concepcion there. I feel, yeah, I feel okay about backfilling tight end after Kittle.
35:00We just got to remember early season floor, not the, not the tight ends that Ryan likes to draft the tight ends that Jacob likes to draft instead.
35:10Um, but yeah, I think that's fine. So we, yeah, we can, are there even any cults that are.
35:16That are drafts. I mean, yeah. Concepcion might end up being our freebie.
35:21That, um, that may be a freebie. Um, I mean, we could always do, if we really need to, like in the
35:2818th round, we can tack on a Seth McGowan or DJ Giddens.
35:32If we want to play pin the tail on the cults veteran backup running back bullshit.
35:38But, um, uh, you, we, we, if we want to get really creative, we could just predict the future and, and take Keenan Allen in the 18th round.
35:47Oh, that would be really funny. I, uh, what's his ADP nowadays?
35:51Okay. Yeah. It is still 18th round. No, I'll throw him in the queue just as a, I can, I can say that I've earnestly been draft.
36:01I've, I've been drafting him regardless. Um, but I've, I've aired towards putting him on Daniel Jones stacks, uh, on my own team.
36:08So, yeah, I don't hate that at all. I also like Daniel Jones is best ball ADP.
36:14So I do too. I don't love it. Make it Daniel Jones off the Achilles.
36:19That's like, that's like, that's like, uh, that that's if we're really boxed out type of pick, which we might be.
36:27Um, cause I don't, I don't, we don't have like any other quarterback stack set up currently.
36:32So we're gonna have to figure something out here.
36:35Yeah. Um, well, let's look at available quarterbacks and just try to game this out for ourselves.
36:41Mendoza with, cause our, I think our next turn should be one of Tucker or Naylor, um, as honestly our last wide
36:49receiver and then, um, a tight end. Agreed. Uh, in terms of tight ends.
36:53Yeah. Strange fits. Yup. Strange fits are stuck already.
36:57Otherwise we're, and, uh, chig fits. Uh, right. Right.
37:00You have commanders. And then otherwise we're, we're going to open up a new loop, which is fine.
37:06Yeah. I'm not. Yeah. If we did. Yeah. Me either.
37:09I'm totally, totally not stressed guys. Uh, and mayor is going to be our tight end three on this team.
37:16Um, so that's fine. Yeah. I think that works.
37:19I like, I think I'd prefer strange then. On this team.
37:23Just as the tight end to just as a guy.
37:26I like, I know is going to run all the routes.
37:30Yeah. For sure. There's, there's even an argument to bypass the Raiders wide receivers here.
37:35So then we can have more wide receiver and like, just go with mayor.
37:40Um, but we'll, cause who's, who's at running back right now?
37:44Let's take a quick peek. So my boy Pacheco.
37:47We're not taking Pacheco with Gibbs. Nothing. Yeah. You're right.
37:50Um, I don't like Dylan Sampson. We have a Brown already, but then we definitely have to take a way ahead.
37:57If you can get him, Daniel Jones, right? Um, Jones went right.
38:01Running back. Yeah. Jones. Um, so get rid of, we could take, we could take Cooper and then set up that actually
38:09sets us up with another back stack with the jets.
38:12Um, I don't totally hate that. And then that would, that would get us.
38:17Ideally we'd want a Viking. Um, so I don't know if we, we could tack on like a really late Claiborne.
38:24Um, let's see here. Um, okay. It's a strange there.
38:28I will. I'd rather take Tucker. Honestly. Is how I feel.
38:31Okay. Let's take Tucker. Okay. I think that's probably our, well, we started pretty thin at wide receiver.
38:37So that's fine. We could even go to eight.
38:41We could make this. Yeah. We can make this a two, five, eight, three.
38:45Wouldn't be crazy with, with our start. So, um, and then, uh, yeah, we just need to figure out who our third quarterback is.
38:53Um, shoot. Cause I was going to say we don't need a third quarterback with Hertz, which I would normally say, but
39:01I don't Mendoza is a tough QB too. It's probably not starting the season.
39:06Yes. Uh, I mean, our third quarterback could be like Brissette also, cause then the idea is you're getting the early season starts with Brissette.
39:14You're getting the late season starts with Mendoza and Hertz is your guy anyway.
39:19Yeah. I actually like that specifically for this team.
39:22Uh, and, and Brissette has upside, like on it, on his own too.
39:27Like the, the guy was the QB five by fancy points per game last year.
39:32And he's going as the QB 30. I get all the reasons why that happened and why it's unlikely to repeat, uh,
39:39just in terms of drop back volume and everything.
39:42But LaFleur let Joe Flacco and Mike white do that same thing a few years ago.
39:48And the jets were a high volume passing offense in those games.
39:52Like it wouldn't be the craziest thing. That's kind of what that's, that's kind of what I want for Jeremiah love.
39:59So maybe that is what we play into. Um, I'll, I'll say that the, the Trey Tucker pick is the first pick,
40:06at least for me that, that, um, that wouldn't have aligned with high would have drafted this team without the specific rule set.
40:14So, um, I think otherwise we're, we're, we're, we're doing this for the right reasons, you know, as they say on the bachelor.
40:22Yeah. Fair enough. Yeah. I mean, yeah. Swift, Swift was your like car that you pulled.
40:28Tucker was the one that I pulled. Yeah. Uh, that we, we might disagree on between the two of us, but yeah,
40:35I think overall, all things considered that works out pretty good.
40:39Well, at least then at both terms, we wound up with someone that one of us likes anyway.
40:45So that's fine. Yeah. Um, what do we do here?
40:48We need, we need running back. Mendoza's got to be one of these picks.
40:53Yup. Um, and then it's, so ideally Mendoza and a running back.
40:57I think it's Mendoza and, and Samson. Um, I I'd throw out Coleman too.
41:02You guys haven't buried Bigsby actually is not a bad, I actually really like Bigsby here because we've bet on the Eagles pass a game.
41:11Well, nothing could be more better for Eagles passing volume than a Saquon Barkley injury.
41:16Yeah, that's perfect. I'm in, I'm in love with this angle now.
41:20Hopefully he doesn't go, but that's a excellent point.
41:23Works for our stacks and everything. Yeah. That's beautiful.
41:26Oh, and of course, of course, uh, I'm pretty fun with Samson.
41:30Um, um, I'd be fine with Coleman. Um, so either of those two probably.
41:35Coleman means we have to take a Patriot. So I think I'm going to stick with Mendoza Samson.
41:41That works. Um, Mendoza Samson. And then the Samson thing only helps us though.
41:46If we get a cult, otherwise we have two Browns.
41:49Those are our two freebies. So yeah, if anything Coleman, if anything Coleman, uh, would have helped us because when we get
41:57given us two outs, but, uh, currently, currently as it stands, we've closed every loop except for the Colts.
42:03We have the Eagles and the Niners. We have the Lions and the Bears.
42:08Um, we have the Cardinals and the Raiders. We have the, uh, commanders and the Jaguars.
42:13So the only team that is missing a partner is the, the Browns are missing a cult.
42:19Uh, so as it stands, if we don't take a cult, we have how many picks left here on this team?
42:26We're sitting at a two, four, seven, two. So we have three picks left.
42:31If, if those three picks either correlate with each other or one of our current players, we don't have to take a
42:39cult, but, uh, we could also add a cult and then, then it, then the other two picks would be completely free.
42:46So I think we've, we've accomplished this pretty easily.
42:49Um, yeah, we're definitely taking Brissette as one of the QBs.
42:53Correct. As well. So that's basically just. His ADP is what?
42:57198. So yeah. Okay. So we're going to take Brissette and we're going to take Mayer.
43:02It's going to be probably, it's going to be probably our third quarterback and our third tight end.
43:08And then we need a running back probably as the, uh, I mean, we were pretty strong running back, but I'd probably
43:16rather have a fifth running back than an eighth wide receiver.
43:19I think. Yeah. Agreed. So is there, so we're getting Keenan Allen then is.
43:24Yeah. I mean, we could just do it as McGowan.
43:28Um, who, who else, who do we have that actually?
43:31Cause so if we take, if we take Brissette Mayer, um, if we want to just do maximizing the bit, then it's
43:39getting Zerner McGowan and then we could actually go 18 for 18.
43:43But if not, we would have to take someone who correlates to one of our existing players.
43:48So that would be, um, either. Uh, Katron would be fine.
43:52Um, Mike Washington would be fine. Yep. Uh, Mike Washington, Katron.
43:56Jordan James slash Kalen Black. But that just feels like we may as well take Seth Bagao and DJ Giddens.
44:03Yeah. Um, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's not much else here.
44:06Uh, James Connor for either when he's in, for when he goes.
44:10That feels, that feels like, that feels like it's against the spirit of the rule where you're taking, you're taking Connor with
44:18love on the hope that he gets cut and is no longer a Cardinal.
44:23Although I, I, I keep manifesting him being in Detroit.
44:26That's also, that also works. So then he can be a direct bet against our first round, first overall pick.
44:33So, you know, that also fits, fits the game while being, while feeling, feeling wrong morally.
44:38Yeah. Yeah. Um, there's just, there's not much else here.
44:42Well, let's go, let's go Brissette Mayer. Um, and then that gets, that gets the picks we actually want.
44:48And then, uh, if, if the room, if the room leaves us, um, like a Mike Washington, that's just way higher in ADP and probably a better pick.
44:58We will select him. If not, um, we'll take Giddens or McGowan.
45:02Do you have a preference between Giddens and McGowan?
45:05It's like, it's, it feels like the most throw your hands up in the air, RB2 battle and in, in, in the NFL right now.
45:13But you're, you're, you're the Colts fan. Man, you're supposed to have the take here.
45:18Uh, I can give you the, I can give you like the Seth McGowan prospect take, which is like, I, I think
45:26he, I think he might be better than Mike Washington.
45:29I think all the, I think both of those guys are really bad though.
45:34Like that was kind of where I was at.
45:37Uh, I mean, DJ Giddens, I obviously liked more as a prospect, um, uh, of the two, but the, the rookie year was very unimpressive.
45:46Um, I mean, mostly because he didn't play, but I would say the main, the main issue in his rookie season was related to pass protection.
45:55Um, Jonathan Taylor stayed healthy the whole season. So we never got to see what would have happened if he got hurt.
46:02But if you are the active RB2 on the Colts, um, behind Jonathan Taylor, like it's the first rules do no harm.
46:10Uh, Taylor is going to play 92% of the snaps.
46:13So it's not really about what you can do with the ball in your hand.
46:18It's like the five plays that Taylor comes off the game, which are probably pass plays.
46:24Do you get pancaked or not? Um, in pass pro and, and Giddens struggled.
46:28And so ultimately they, they signed Amir Abdullah to come in and just be an adult in the room.
46:35Um, what would have happened to Taylor miss time?
46:38I have no clue. Um, by all accounts, like it's legitimately a toss up in that McGowan, it could be McGowan, it
46:45could be Giddens or it could be, they signed someone late in camp.
46:50Um, I I've heard pretty universally good things on McGowan to the point that that's probably my slight lean.
46:56Um, just because I think that they came away from last year, quite unimpressed with Giddens.
47:02And it seems as though McGowan is acquitting himself well.
47:05And the fact that like all of the beat writers already think it's an even competition when you, in theory, think that
47:13earlier in the summer tie goes to the not rookie makes me slightly lean McGowan.
47:18But, um, it's like, who fricking knows? Also like these guys will have absolutely zero standalone value.
47:24But, um, I mean, if you're probably going to get contingent value from one of them, unless they sign like Antonio Gibson or something.
47:32Yeah, no, that, I mean, that makes sense the way you thought it through.
47:37Um, I, I also personally am always just wanting to bet on the player that hasn't failed yet.
47:43Like when, if, if, if right, I get in says already failed, it's like, I, we have, I'd rather the unknown that
47:50hasn't failed yet than the guy that we know has failed.
47:54So it's, I don't know if there's something, something, something in the Monty hall problem or something that I could compare that to probably, but yeah.
48:03So I, so I'll go with Seth McGowan. And with that, we, we, not only did we accomplish our goal of 16
48:10out 18, we span on that goal. We went 18 for 18.
48:14Yeah. Yeah. That was extremely stressful. Uh, if I'm being honest, uh, having run the board for that.
48:20Uh, but I think my strategy was good. Having always guys in the queue that I knew would actually stack up rather
48:28than trying to figure that out on the fly.
48:31I actually think that was the optimal strategy to conduct that ridiculous draft.
48:35Uh, and this draft is pretty good. Uh, I'm fairly happy with this team and with this roster construction.
48:42So to review, we've got, uh, three, five, seven, three, our three quarterbacks, Jalen Hertz, Fernando Mendoza, Jacoby Brissett.
48:48I'm not even going to call out the stacks because everybody's stacked with each other.
48:54I don't even have to point up, point it out when I get to them.
48:59Uh, at running back, we have Jameer Gibbs, Jeremiah Love, DeAndre Swift, Dylan Sampson, Seth McGowan, uh, at wide receiver, Devante Smith,
49:06Harry McLaurin, Makai Lemon, Ricky Pearsall, Jacoby Myers, Casey Concepcion, and Trey Tucker.
49:11And at tight end, George Kittle, Brenton Strange, and Michael Mayer.
49:14Uh, very, my first reaction after like rereading the entire roster is that this is just a very best ball team.
49:22This is, it's very much, I, a lot of these guys, I don't think I'm going to be in on in managed
49:29redraft outside of like a handful of them, but they all fit together in ways that speak to me in best ball,
49:37I guess is how I would put it. Uh, and, and it's an extremely correlated week 17 team.
49:43So yeah, maybe this one's live. I don't, I don't hate this at all, but what about you, Jacob?
49:49And yeah, once you give your thoughts, I can get us out of here.
49:54I mean, maybe, maybe I like these players more than you do.
49:58I'm not sure. Um, but I, I would say like, this was an instructive episode in terms of, I think what, when
50:06stacking is a legitimately helpful, uh, guide versus when it's, it's kind of a meme.
50:11And I would say like, for the most part, I felt like the board aligned and our needs aligned in a way
50:18that we were generally taking players that at least I would have legitimately wanted to take regardless, or at the very least
50:26would have been like one of the two to three options available.
50:30And we tie broke to the one who made the most sense in the context of our roster for stacking reasons.
50:37So like going through the picks, you know, Gibbs, Love, Smith were just the three highest players we wanted regardless to start off.
50:45Um, you know, Terry McLaurin was my highest rated wide receiver at a time that we clearly needed to get a second wide receiver.
50:53Um, I think the swift pick is like, you could kind of go in a number of different directions.
50:59Um, swift would have been, I think my highest available running back there.
51:04Um, and if you want to give an extra bonus for the correlation, why not?
51:09You go to the next turn. It's like, I don't care if we're doing a gimmick.
51:14Like if I have Devonta Smith on my team and Terry McLaurin on my team and Jaden Daniels goes, like I'm taking
51:22Hertz every single time in that scenario. And I'm adding lemon as the wide receiver three.
51:27Likewise, PureSol and Myers were wide receivers at the top of our ranks, top of ADP range.
51:33And you add in the fact that they also correlate with stacks that we've already been building.
51:39That's just a total bonus. But like, again, those are our players that made complete sense in the context of our team.
51:46I think the one time that we didn't really have any stacking option that made a lot of sense was when we
51:54decided to go with Casey Concepcion, who was the unstacked option, was just the best option for the team at the time.
52:01And it's clearly, I think the pick you should make.
52:05The only time where I feel like we were like purely just doing it for the bit is like obviously the Seth
52:12McGowan pick, um, at like the very end, which is like, you know, no, I wouldn't choose Seth McGowan because he goes with Dylan Sampson and Casey Concepcion.
52:22But like, in fairness, I think Seth McGowan is about as crappy of a pick compared to anyone else available at 216.
52:29And like, I think you should probably be taking the approach of spreading your bets among this group of like completely hopeless running backs.
52:38And if it's a helpful exercise for you to break ties towards correlation of like when you pick your 1% Seth McGowan
52:45versus when you pick your 2% Samaje Pirine and your 2% Kamani Vidal, like I think that's as good of a reason
52:53as any because all of these picks are guys that it would make very little sense to have, you know, 14% of one and 0% of everyone else.
53:02So I think it's a team that I would totally stand by and also happens to have a ton of players I'm targeting.
53:10Yeah. And I want to be clear there, there are players on here.
53:14I really like, I really like Jalen hurts and the Eagles.
53:18I really like Casey Concepcion. I really like Michael Mayer.
53:22I really liked Jameer Gibbs. But it's, it's just more like, like Trey Tucker, Ricky Pierce, all Jacoby Myers.
53:28These, these are like best ball ass wide receivers is more of what I was remarking on there.
53:34Uh, that, but Hey, that's going to be any best ball team.
53:38Uh, but yeah, I, I don't know what my point was, but I think I agree with you in, in terms of
53:46if you go back and look at all the drafts that we've done on this channel this year, this might be the
53:53one where we sacrifice the least Evie just to fit with the rules.
53:58I, I, yeah, I can't think of a draft where there were fewer times where we were like, Oh, well, because of
54:05the rule set, we have to do this, or we should think about doing it in this way at this spot.
54:12There, there was a lot of that, but all, yeah.
54:16Uh, it, as you said, it just kind of aligned with the picks you probably should have been making anyway.
54:23So this was really, really fun. Uh, thanks guys for watching.
54:26We are going to be back, uh, later this week.
54:30We are going to be going to two a week on these recordings.
54:34So it's going to be a ton more best ball for the rest of the summer.
54:40I am very excited to be here even more.
54:43Uh, and quick shout out, uh, Jacob and I will be live, uh, for the first time in months on dynasty points
54:50over on the fantasy points dynasty YouTube channel, uh, Tuesday night of this week.
54:55Come check it out. We're going to play five for five.
54:59I'm going to get totally owned. Like I usually do.
55:02I will probably crash out. It's going to be awesome.
55:06You don't want to miss it. So thanks guys.
55:09Have an amazing rest of your day.