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News and Ranking Changes: Kyler Murray Wins Job, Luther Burden Hurt, Chargers RBs, and Silva's Top-150 Changes (Episode xxx with Evan Silva and Adam Levitan)
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57 min
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Aug 11, 2026
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Tue, August 11, 2026
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Dalton KincaidKeaton MitchellAlec PierceBreece HallChigoziem OkonkwoDe'Von AchaneDenzel BostonGeorge KittleIsiah PachecoJ.J. McCarthyJalen HurtsJayden DanielsJordan AddisonJordyn Tyson
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Player insights
Alec Pierce
NegativeInjury33:42
Adam Levitan and Evan Silva discuss the uncertainty surrounding Alec Pierce's ankle injury, noting conflicting reports about PRP injections and recovery timelines. ETR has moved Pierce down to 111 overall, with Levitan noting that the situation is extremely volatile and the team may need to trade for a field-stretching wide receiver.
Insight pageBreece Hall
NegativeValue53:42
Evan Silva moved Breece Hall behind Javonte Williams and Amar Hampton in his rankings, though he emphasizes that all three remain in the same tier. The move was made to align his rankings with his actual drafting behavior, where he has found himself preferring Javonte Williams.
Insight pageChigoziem Okonkwo
NegativeProjection16:50
Evan Silva moved Chig Okonkwo down in his rankings to TE16 following the Stefon Diggs signing, noting he will be drafting him less frequently.
Insight pageDalton Kincaid
PositiveInjury43:02
Adam Levitan notes that Dalton Kincaid has not missed a single practice through two weeks, which is a positive sign for his health. Levitan and Silva view him as an intriguing late-round tight end target, especially given reports that Buffalo plans to throw more this season.
Insight pagePositiveBreakout43:09
Dalton Kincaid is a high-upside target who has remained healthy through training camp. He is an elite route-runner and efficient receiver who could finish as a top-five tight end if his route participation increases, which is expected. Evan Silva ranks him as TE10 and notes he is one of the best naturally skilled receiving tight ends in the NFL.
Insight pageDe'Von Achane
NegativeBust24:34
Adam Levitan expresses concern that Devon Achane's fantasy value is heavily tied to Tua Tagovailoa's quick, short-passing game. Levitan notes that if Achane's receptions plummet due to a change in quarterback play or if the team fails to score touchdowns, he could become a bust, especially given his small 5'9", 191-pound frame.
Insight pageDenzel Boston
PositiveBreakout31:25
Evan Silva notes that Denzel Boston has had a steady drumbeat of hype in Browns camp and is now working with the first team. While Silva is skeptical of Boston's college production profile, he acknowledges the impressive speed of his development and plans to move him up in the rankings.
Insight pageGeorge Kittle
PositiveProjection40:22
Evan Silva remains high on George Kittle despite his age (33) and recovery from a torn Achilles. Silva emphasizes Kittle's rare ability to provide 'spike weeks' and 30-point fantasy performances, which makes him a valuable target at the tight end position.
Insight pageIsiah Pacheco
NegativeBust52:16
Evan Silva expresses skepticism regarding Isaiah Pacheco's fantasy outlook, suggesting that his best production in the NFL has already occurred and that his roster spot could potentially be in jeopardy.
Insight pageJ.J. McCarthy
NegativeDepth Chart7:25
Evan Silva believes J.J. McCarthy could still make starts during the regular season if the Vikings struggle, noting the team has more invested in him than in Kyler Murray. Adam Levitan adds that in best ball formats, McCarthy is a threat to take over if the team is eliminated from playoff contention.
Insight pageJalen Hurts
PositiveUsage25:33
Adam Levitan highlights that Jalen Hurts is seeing a healthy amount of designed runs in camp, which is crucial for his fantasy ceiling. Levitan notes that Hurts' carries per game dropped to 6.5 last year, and he needs to return to his previous average of 10.0 carries per game to reach his full potential. Evan Silva adds that the continued use of the 'tush push' is also very positive news for Hurts' touchdown upside.
Insight pageJayden Daniels
NegativeProjection20:40
Evan Silva moved Jayden Daniels down in his rankings due to the loss of Laremy Tunsil, citing the significant drop in the team's offensive line quality.
Insight pageJordan Addison
NegativeProjection14:40
Evan Silva views Jordan Addison as a potential spiked-week player who will be inconsistent and frustrating in season-long formats, though he remains a decent pick for best ball.
Insight pageJordyn Tyson
PositiveValue46:21
Evan Silva is extremely high on Jordan Tyson, ranking him 51st overall, significantly ahead of his ADP in the 80s. Silva compares his potential partnership with Chris Olave to Isaac Bruce and Torrey Holt, noting Tyson's elite route-running and separation skills as a top-ten draft pick.
Insight pageJosh Jacobs
NegativeInjury39:07
Evan Silva is avoiding Josh Jacobs due to a groin injury, potential lingering effects from a previous PCL injury, and ongoing disciplinary concerns. Silva is instead targeting Marshawn Lloyd late in drafts.
Insight pageJustin Jefferson
NegativeProjection13:38
Evan Silva maintains his ranking of Justin Jefferson at 14 overall, while Adam Levitan has him at 16. Neither Evan Silva moved him following the Kyler Murray starting announcement, as they remain comfortable with his high-stakes draft position.
Insight pageKeaton Mitchell
PositiveSleeper22:16
Evan Silva identifies Keaton Mitchell as a favorite flyer for redraft leagues, noting that he could be a league winner if Amarin Hampton suffers an injury. Silva points to the 2023 Dolphins' success with both Raheem Mostert and Devon Achane as evidence that two backs can coexist and produce under Mike McDaniel's scheme.
Insight pagePositiveUsage33:44
Adam Levitan believes Keaton Mitchell will have a siphoned-off role every week. Evan Silva notes that if Omarian Hampton were injured, Mitchell would see a small bump, though Kamani Vidal would see a larger one.
Insight pageKimani Vidal
PositiveUsage34:56
Evan Silva notes that Kamani Vidal would see a huge bump in usage if Omarian Hampton were to be injured, as Vidal is trusted in pass protection and long-down-and-distance situations.
Insight pageKyler Murray
PositiveRole5:18
Kyler Murray has been named the Vikings' Week 1 starter. While the competition with J.J. McCarthy was likely a charade to manage the locker room, Murray's rushing ability and the Kevin O'Connell scheme make him a strong fantasy asset. Adam Levitan notes that despite Murray's past benching, sub-average quarterbacks have historically produced big fantasy numbers in this system.
Insight pageLuther Burden
NegativeInjury23:38
Luther Burden is expected to miss about a month with a groin injury. Evan Silva is not worried and has not moved him in his rankings, believing he will be fine for Week 1. Adam Levitan, while on 'massive tilt,' remains invested in him at 49 overall.
Insight pageOmarion Hampton
NegativeUsage28:56
Following comments from Mike McDaniel about a potential three-man backfield rotation, Evan Silva is concerned about Omarian Hampton's role. Silva is no longer moving Hampton up in his rankings and is wary of drafting him at his current fringe first-round ADP.
Insight pagePat Bryant
PositiveSleeper50:21
Pat Bryant is a high-priority late-round target for Evan Silva, particularly in best ball formats. Bryant is expected to operate as a big slot receiver and potentially play X-receiver if Courtland Sutton's role diminishes. Silva notes Bryant's impressive flashes and high target share in key games last season.
Insight pageRachaad White
PositiveUsage21:37
Evan Silva suggests the loss of Laremy Tunsil might actually help Rachaad White, as the team may rely on him more as a pass protector and a short-pass outlet.
Insight pageStefon Diggs
PositiveValue15:01
Stefon Diggs signed a one-year deal with the Commanders. Evan Silva notes Diggs can still play and is a value pick at his 16th-round ADP. Adam Levitan highlights that Diggs maintained 2.42 yards per route run last year despite a torn ACL and expects him to play 70-80% of snaps in Washington.
Insight pageTucker Kraft
PositiveProjection37:00
Evan Silva feels good about Tucker Kraft, placing him in a draftable tier alongside Sam LaPorta and Kyle Pitts. Despite concerns about his reliance on yards-after-catch and his recovery from an ACL tear, Silva has drafted him frequently.
Insight pageFull transcript
Episode Transcript
0:00Hello and welcome to episode 1007 of the official EstablishTheRun.com podcast.
0:04My name is Adam Levitan. I am one of the co-founders here at ETR.
0:08As always, joined by fellow co-founder Evan Silva and we are now two weeks into training camp for most teams, but more
0:15importantly, we're on the eve of the man vs.
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0:53Never thought that I would see the day. But you ignored my first question, Silva.
0:58Did you see the Leone rap that we dropped today ahead of man vs.
1:02machine? And how are you feeling heading into tomorrow's man vs.
1:06machine recording? It was incredible. It was incredible. I mean, I want to make it clear, though, that Leone did not write
1:13a single syllable of the lyrics that were spit in that video, but the video itself was incredible to the creator of that video.
1:21Awesome. You know, it brought me some motivation too.
1:24Not that I needed any. I'm like kind of nervous.
1:27I'm on pins and needles. You know, this is really the rubber match man vs.
1:32machine. Because, you know, we were doing it in previous years, but the last two years, it got really competitive because people started to love it.
1:40And I mean, I love doing it. And I beat Leone in 2024 handily.
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1:52But this technically will be the rubber match year.
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2:09And this is a peek into his mind. So be sure that...
2:13Also a genius. Also a genius. Yes. Many geniuses are deranged.
2:17Anyways. Anyways. On today's show, we will be discussing what has happened at training camps over the last seven days and how
2:24we should be adjusting our fantasy rankings for that.
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3:11All right, Silva, let's get into it here with the news.
3:15We have about 18 stories to cover here today.
3:18Let's start with number one. Shortly before we came on to record here, Vikings do the expected name Kyler Murray, their week one starter.
3:26For me, looking back, like the quote-unquote competition we talked about last week on this show, it was probably just a charade.
3:33Like, from an organizational standpoint, I think they felt like they could not let the new guy, Kyler, come in and just
3:40hand him the job without doing some kind of competition for the locker room, for the media, whatever.
3:46So, Evan, initial reaction to Kyler Murray officially getting the nod here for the Vikings in week one?
3:52Well, I think that it was largely a charade because it was almost close to 100% probability that Kyler Murray was going to start week one.
4:00I mean, that was locked in, I think. But I think that it was not necessarily a charade in that there were reports from beat reporters that J.J.
4:09McCarthy had actually outplayed Kyler Murray in specific practices and in specific scrimmages.
4:13But I think that the noise kind of maybe got to Kevin O'Connell and he wanted to put that to bed.
4:20And we still got, what, you know, four-plus weeks until the season?
4:24But he wanted to get out in front of it because this had started to become, you know, almost unravel into one
4:31of the biggest stories across any training camp across the NFL.
4:35And so, putting that to bed now, I think it's the smart move.
4:39But it was always 100%, almost close to 100% probability that Kyler Murray was going to get it.
4:45I mean, I still think that J.J. McCarthycCarthy could make starts, though, you know, during the regular season, you know, free of Kyler Murray injury.
4:53I think that Kyler Murray has not shown enough effectiveness in recent seasons that they could, at some point, if they're struggling, the Vikings turn to J.J.
5:02McCarthy in season. They still have way more invested in J.J.
5:06McCarthy than they do in Kyler Murray. Yeah. I also think, like, the reason to name him the starter now is the
5:13point that I've been trying to make for the last three weeks.
5:17Kyler Murray needs reps in the scheme. Kyler Murray needs to develop chemistry in the scheme with Justin Jefferson, with Jordan Addison, with Jawan Jennings, with T.J.
5:25Hawkinson, and all these guys. By splitting the reps, I think you're doing Kyler a disserver.
5:31So, I'm glad that he did that now. To Evan's point about not making all the starts.
5:36So, I'll be writing about this for my draft strategy column coming, hopefully, later this week.
5:41But I do really like late-round quarterback this year in redraft.
5:45In redraft specifically, I think Kyler is a nice part of that strategy.
5:49For best ball, Evan's point is well taken. For best ball, I think Kyler is a little bit tougher click because if
5:56it goes bad and they're eliminated from the playoffs, they'll likely want to get a late-season look at J.J.
6:03M for the reasons that Evan said. But I'm of the opinion that Kyler's going to play well.
6:08Like, yes, it's scary that he got benched. He got outplayed badly by Jacoby Brissett.
6:13It's scary they made him compete with just the nut-low quarterback in J.J.
6:18McCarthy. But plenty of sub-average quarterbacks, even if you think Kyler is sub-average, which he might be, plenty of sub-average quarterbacks have
6:25put up big fantasy numbers in the KOC Justin Jefferson era and supported Justin Jefferson along the way.
6:31Nick Mullins, 10.8 yards per target throwing at J.J.
6:34Cousins, 10.5. Darnold, 10.0. Carson Wentz, 9.9. McCarthy was at 5.7 yards per target throwing at J.J.
6:39McCarthy. So, yeah, Kyler's rushing ability combined with the weaponry and the KOC scheme, I'm excited.
6:44We've been way ahead on Kyler in the rankings this whole time.
6:48Evan, you're still down at 135. On Kyler, any plans for you to move up Kyler in the rankings here?
6:55I don't think so. I don't think so. I'm down, like, in my 150, I have a ton of quarterbacks packed from,
7:02like, pick 100 all the way to the end, and that's purposeful because the way that I want to draft quarterback this
7:09year, unless I'm going to go, you know, get Josh Allen or, you know, a falling Lamar Jackson, I want to take an ADP faller.
7:17And, like, I'm really good this year drafting, like, Jared Goff.
7:21Yeah. You know, going late-round quarterback. I think it's a great year to go late-round quarterback regardless of format, season-long, best ball, whatever.
7:28So, no, I mean, I think Kyler Murray will have week-to-week upside, you know, out the wazoo this year.
7:35I mean, he's going to have a lot of upside playing indoors, impressive supporting cast.
7:39He can run Kevin O'Connell system, et cetera. Just having him in the top 150, you know, that puts him on the draft radar.
7:47So, I'm probably going to keep him there. Okay.
7:50For the record, ETR is at 106 overall here on Kyler.
7:54As Evan said, he has a pack of quarterbacks.
7:57A bit later here, he's at 135. To Evan's point, though, it's so cheap in these one-quarterback leagues, you could take Kyler
8:04and Goff in the back end of your draft probably and just, like, mix and match matchups, you know?
8:10And there's a lot of guys that you can do that with.
8:14You can see them all in the rankings there as well.
8:18Any movement for you on Justin Jefferson or Jordan Addison off this news, Evan?
8:22I have not moved either of them. I still have Justin Jefferson, I believe, 14 overall.
8:2716 for you on Justin Jefferson. 16. Okay. Yeah, I mean, I haven't been drafting him, and I don't really intend on moving him.
8:35And if you're using my rankings, you're probably not going to get Justin Jefferson.
8:40I mean, I've been in high-stakes drafts where he will go number eight overall, and, like, I'm not messing around with that.
8:47So I'm comfortable where I have him. Jordan Addison is, like, a potential spiked weak player who I think is going to be very inconsistent.
8:55He'll be very frustrating in season long, but definitely, you know, a decent best ball pick, I think.
9:01Okay. Let's go to story two. Stephon Diggs signs with the Commander's one-year deal up to $12 million.
9:07I did about five minutes on Stephon Diggs signing on Market Monday yesterday.
9:11Hopefully you guys heard that. My big point, Evan, though, was just Stephon Diggs can still play.
9:16You know, I was impressed with what he did last year considering coming off of the ACL and everything was still up at 2.42 yards per route runs.
9:26So, Evan, thoughts on the Diggs landing spot here going to the Commanders?
9:30Well, the big story in Washington is the loss of their left tackle, Laramie Tunsil, and the impact that that will have.
9:37Because I don't think he's playing football this year.
9:40Schefter pretty much said that. Stephon Diggs signs with Washington.
9:43Yeah, I mean, this was, like, very predictable, I think.
9:46I've been drafting Stephon Diggs, you know, since way a long time ago.
9:51As soon as I started drafting, I was like, geez, he's going in the 16th round.
9:56Of course I'm going to hit that. He's playing this year.
9:59He can still play. He lands in a really good landing spot, I believe.
10:04Now, like, what's the fallout from that is that I didn't take anything away from Terry McLaurin.
10:10I did bump down Chigakonkwo. And I was bullish on Chigakonkwo before this, but I had to move him down.
10:16So he's at tight end 16 now. I'm not going to be getting him as much anymore.
10:22Stephon Diggs can still play. Really good quarterback situation.
10:25You know, but I think we need to talk about Tunsil.
10:28Yeah. Let me just say this about Diggs. I mentioned, like, the really good season last year.
10:342.42 yards per hour. I ran off of a torn ACL.
10:37That was only on 57% of the snaps. I expect Stephon Diggs to play way more snaps than that this year.
10:44He is competing with Traylon Burks, Luke McCaffrey, Antonio Williams.
10:47Like, Diggs can play 70%, 80% of the snaps.
10:50His efficiency will go down as he gets more snaps and targets.
10:54But still, this is a really, really awesome landing spot.
10:57Only other note I had on Diggs was that there were reports out there that there were other teams in the mix for Diggs.
11:05Chiefs, which makes sense. I mean, Chiefs weaponry really scares me.
11:09Chiefs, Dolphins, of course, although I'm sure Diggs didn't want to play there.
11:13And Raiders also reached out on Steph Diggs. I think that of all those, Chiefs would be kind of tempting.
11:20But among those others that you mentioned, I feel very good about the Commander's landing spot.
11:25It's an awesome landing spot. There's absolutely no doubt.
11:28Okay. The Tunsil news, man. Yeah. So, Commander's left tackle Laramie Tunsil expected to miss the regular season due to tricep surgery.
11:35Brandon Thorne pushed an update. For anyone who has DraftKid Pro, you can read Brandon Thorne's updates.
11:40Brandon Thorne had the Commanders at 11th overall, which I thought was solid, high, exciting.
11:45Down to 22nd overall now in the rankings are Laramie Tunsil.
11:49So, Evan, how big concern is this Tunsil injury for you on Jaden, McLaurin, Diggs, etc.?
11:54Yeah, and I know that Tunsil, Brandon Thorne thought that he should have been in the running for Protector of the Year
12:01last year, maybe the best tackle in the NFL.
12:04And we've seen like the on-off splits for tackles that really matter.
12:08You know, Trent Williams, you know, Lane Johnson last year.
12:11You know, what happened to the Bucs offense when they didn't have Tristan Wirfs and then he came back and he was a shell of himself.
12:20So, I mean, this is something that definitely, definitely matters.
12:23I think what they're going to do is they're going to move Brandon Coleman to left tackle.
12:29He had been competing at left guard. It's just, ah, yeah, like Brandon Thorne did.
12:34You know, it took the number 11, it took him from the number 11 offensive line to number 22.
12:40That's a really, really big deal. I moved down Jaden Daniels a little bit.
12:44I moved down Chig. I didn't move down Terry McLaurin because I just couldn't justify dropping him below any of the guys that I had below him previously.
12:53But it turns me off to Jacory Krosky-Meritt as well.
12:57And I think it actually might help Rashad White, who teams love as a pass protector, that will help with the removal
13:04of the left tackle and also as a short pass outlet.
13:07So, I think they do have four plus weeks.
13:10They could bring in Taylor Decker, who is a free agent and knows David Blau from Detroit.
13:16But I don't know that Taylor Decker really has anything left.
13:20It's just, I don't know, they got four plus weeks to come up with ways to compensate for the loss of Larry B.
13:27Tunsell. It's just such a big personnel loss. It really matters.
13:31Well, and the other thing that happens, we saw this with the Bucs last year.
13:36And we saw this with the Chargers last year.
13:38What happens is you can't sustain any more injuries.
13:41Like, maybe they'll be okay with Coleman. But now if you get another injury, now what?
13:47You know what I mean? You just get real thin real fast.
13:50So, it's a concern. You know, the loss of a tackle should be worth like a half point to a point against the spread.
13:58The week one line on the Commanders game did move about a half point.
14:03So, we're tracking that stuff. If we think that the team total for Washington touchdowns is going down, which I think it
14:10should on this Tunsell News, well, we will have some more docs here on Commander stuff.
14:15So, keep an eye on that. All right. Story four.
14:19You know, it's been a rough month for me in a lot of different ways.
14:23When I first saw the Luther Burden thing, I was like, I can't, man.
14:28Like, I cannot take any more bad news because I have been drafting a ton of Luther Burden.
14:34He hurts his groin in practice. He's expected to miss about a month.
14:38Now, the good news is that the season is still about a month away.
14:43So, this timeline does line up that he's got, sounds like he's going to be fine for week one.
14:49There was a video, Evan, that spotted of Luther Burden walking around like a day or two after the injury.
14:55He was just walking, like slowly. It looked like he was walking okay, though.
15:00So, I'm on massive tilt about this. I probably sent a tweet that didn't make a lot of sense that night because I was on such massive tilt.
15:09But, Evan, thoughts on the Luther Burden injury? Man, Adam, Luther Burden potentially being injured is the toughest thing you've had to deal with recently, huh?
15:17Yes. One of them, yes. Yeah, the good news is I'm like, I'm not worried about Luther Burden.
15:23I think he's going to be totally fine. You know, he's like still out there with his teammates.
15:29I think that they actually, they can sort of, the Bears can sort of use this as just a way to keep
15:36him out of harm's way for a couple weeks.
15:39He ends up practicing before week one. Maybe they could really play it onto the injury report and have him like limited, limited, questionable going into week one.
15:48Or they could just have him practice fully going into week one and he's like not even on the injury report for week one.
15:56I mean, those things are in play. I think Luther Burden is going to be fine.
16:01I'm not moving him at all in my rankings.
16:04I understand just the prospect of him being at less than 100% going into the season probably lowers his probability a little bit.
16:12But I'm just, I'm not worried about this thing.
16:15I think Luther Burden is going to be all right.
16:18Yeah. I mean, I hear you. It's just missing all of camp, not practicing for a full month, and it's a lower body, soft tissue injury.
16:27I do think it makes him like a slightly worse pick.
16:30The thing is, I already thought he was one of the best picks on the board.
16:35It's like, I'm still very much in here. We're at 49 overall.
16:39Are you trying to lower his ADP so you can get him cheaper right now?
16:44Oh, don't. This is what the YouTube commenters always accuse me.
16:48Every time I say something, he's lowering, he's doing this so that he can get the guy to lower price.
16:54We're at 49 overall on Burden here still. We put like a hair, a hair, hair of a doc on him.
17:01Evan is up way above market here, 35 overall on Luther Burden.
17:05So again, they brought in Ray Ray McLeod. Like they need camp bodies.
17:09I'm still in on him. It's just, I do think he's a slightly, slightly worse pick.
17:14You know? Well, you've got like a Kia invested to him.
17:18So into him. So, you know, you're, you're emotional.
17:21I get it. Yeah. Well, I was already emotional from the Ricky Pearsall thing, which I, you know, we're not going to bring up again here today.
17:30But yes, I was already emotional about that. Okay.
17:33Story five. Let's go to the Los Angeles Chargers.
17:36So this was a quote that went viral on fantasy Twitter from Mike McDaniel, offensive coordinator.
17:41He said, somebody asked him a question about how much work Martin Hampton can get.
17:46And McDaniel says, oh, this smells like a fantasy motivated question.
17:49And then he says, well, I have good news and bad news.
17:53Good news is I see all three of those guys, Hampton, Keaton Mitchell, Kamani Vidal.
17:58He says, I see all three of those guys producing at a very high level.
18:03Bad news is I can't tell you which games those are.
18:07He said they'll probably use all three every game with the workload depending on opponent and quote unquote hot hand.
18:13McDaniel does have a history of saying stuff like this that just turns out to be meaningless, Evan.
18:19So there's a history here of this. What was your reaction to that quote from McDaniel?
18:24This has been kind of one of my fears is that Omarian, that they would use, you know, they would have a
18:31role specific backfield and they would use Omarian Hampton as the big back pounder, early down goal line.
18:37Keaton Mitchell as the super, you know, explosive change of pace who, you know, they mix in a little bit into the
18:44passing game, but he's mostly just like an early down change of pace back who, you know, who's like the lightning to Omarian Hampton's thunder.
18:53And then Kamani Vidal, who Jim Harbaugh loves. He maintains a role because he can pass, protect and play in long down and distance.
19:00And then now all of a sudden you have a three man backfield.
19:05This is really the bull or the bear case against Omarian Hampton who people have been drafting super, super aggressively.
19:11And I just could, and I even, I upped him a lot.
19:15I could not even get to his ADP in my rankings where I have them now.
19:20Yeah. Evan's a 20th overall. ETR ranks were at 16 and ADP is above that.
19:25Yeah. So I don't know. I mean, that's, that's where I'm at.
19:29I'm not moving them up anymore. I mean, I, I don't know how good he is and I'm worried about this potential three way, uh, three man backfield.
19:38I mean, that's like a significant concern. I still think he can score a ton of touchdowns and that's what I'm, that's
19:45why I have them in the top 20. But to, to get up with competing with his market, uh, you know, his
19:52ADP, like I, I don't want to do that.
19:55I don't want to have him as a fringe first round pick this year.
20:00Yeah. And we're going to talk about this more with the Jaguars stuff.
20:04I think some people out there think there is a script before the season that the coaches have, or the front office
20:11has, how the backfield is going to shake out.
20:14How the usage is going to shake out. There's no script.
20:18These guys have to earn it. There's going to be competition between Amarin Hampton and Kamani Vidal and Keaton Mitchell.
20:24My strongest take is that Keaton Mitchell is going to have his own kind of siphoned off role every single week.
20:31I do think Amarin Hampton is going to have a big role and outplay Kamani Vidal and earn that really big role.
20:38We have him 16 overall. It's just people take him 12, 13, 14, 15 overall a lot.
20:44So I do not have very much Vidal, sorry, very much Hampton right now.
20:49The interesting part to me is if Hampton were to be injured and he was injured last year, I think we would
20:56see a small bump for Keaton Mitchell, but a huge bump for Kamani Vidal.
21:00So that's kind of the way I see it.
21:03Like, I don't think he was lying here, but like if Amarin Hampton goes out and is one of the best runners
21:10in the league, you're going to stick with him.
21:13You know, it's not, there's not some pre-script. And if something were to happen to Amarin Hampton, I also think it's TBD
21:20and based on the performance to date of how that would be divvied up.
21:25Remember, Mike McDaniel, there are so few coaches in the NFL that would use a, you know, 188 pound running back like
21:32Mike McDaniel did with Devon Achan in Miami. Just so few.
21:36I mean, he's little, you know. I mean, Devon Achan could have gone through his entire career as a change of pace
21:43back, you know, and like a third down back and like a satellite back easily.
21:48But Mike McDaniel had like the Cajones to be like, no, we're going to make you into, you know, an every down back.
21:55And so Mike McDaniel, he's just, he's a little bit different.
21:59And I agree with you that I think that how that would play out in the event of an Amarin Hampton injury
22:06would be, they're going to determine that as they go.
22:09If Keaton Mitchell's balling, I mean, he could be a league winner in the event of an Amarin Hampton injury.
22:16Yeah, I just released favorite flyers to anyone who has draft kit pro.
22:20I'm obviously not going to give away all the names in there, but Keaton Mitchell was in there as a favorite flyer
22:27for me to take stabs on in redraft. You know, you can point to some of these ridiculous seasons that McDaniel had
22:34in the Dolphins with Mostert and Achan both together and be like, both these guys can hit.
22:40Hampton and Keaton Mitchell can hit. I thought that was a bit of an outlier situation, but they did both hit under McDaniel there in 2023.
22:48All right. Speaking of Devon Achan, Evan, let's go to story number six.
22:53Head coach Jeff Halfley had this quote on Devon Achan.
22:56He said, I just gave Achan a heads up this morning and I told him you better be in good shape.
23:03I told him there might be some games where I have to pick him up and carry him back to the locker
23:10room because he's going to be so tired. It immediately reminded me of the CJ Spiller quote.
23:15CJ Spiller, for anybody who's, you know, actually young, not like us.
23:19This was in 2013. It was around this time of year.
23:23We were getting ready for the fantasy season. And this idiot, this stone cold moron.
23:28And I didn't even know he was a moron at that point.
23:32Nathaniel Hackett comes out and says he's going to run CJ Spiller until he pukes.
23:37Spiller went on to average 15 touches per game that season.
23:40So any thoughts on this quote from Halfley here, Evan, about just absolutely loading up Achan with touches this season?
23:47Yeah. I mean, obviously we've seen an NFL team do that with Devon Achan.
23:51But yeah, I mean, that quote was like almost the same exact quote from Nathaniel Hackett from 2013.
23:57So, I mean, I'm sure that that's the plan.
24:00It's just are they going to be able to execute it?
24:04The Dolphins look like they could be really, really bad on defense.
24:08And, you know, the offensive line, Thorne, I think they have some potential on their offensive line.
24:13But Thorne has it ranked 29th overall, you know.
24:16So, you know, Malik Willis has, what, six NFL starts?
24:19I mean, again, intriguing. You know, we've got some interesting ideas here.
24:23But when you get it, when it's a team full of hope and ideas, you know, rarely does that pan out.
24:30Yeah. And I was curious where the home league ADP was going to be on Achan.
24:35People are on him in home leagues more than basketball.
24:39He's going 13.3 overall right now in home leagues is Achan.
24:42We have him 19th in the ETR rankings. And honestly, like the biggest concern to me is not workload, obviously.
24:49The biggest concern to me is so much of his value has come from Tua checkdowns.
24:54That is not Malik Willis' game. That is very much Tua's game is get the ball quick and short and let Achan go nuts.
25:02So that's the biggest concern to me on Achan.
25:05And if his receptions plummet and they're not scoring touchdowns, like, you know, he, that's how, that's how Devon Achan becomes a bust.
25:12Yep. For sure. He's also only 5'9", 191. Like, if they try to do what Halfley's saying here, I know he's been really good at sustaining health.
25:21And I do think sustaining health is somewhat of a skill for some of these workhorse running backs like Derrick Henry or whatever.
25:28But he's still only 5'9", 191. All right. Let's go to story 7.
25:33This is a quote out of Philly from new offensive coordinator Sean Mannion that I thought was interesting, asking about Jalen Hurts rushing.
25:40First, they asked him about the tush push, and Mannion said, It's been an extremely effective play here.
25:46We're going to lean into that. Mannion went on to say that Hurts has been doing a healthy amount of designed runs at camp.
25:54This, to me, is a really important note on Jalen Hurts.
25:57Yes, last year the completion percentage dropped. Yes, his yards per attempt was career low, 7.1.
26:03But for fantasy, I did not think that was the issue for Hurts.
26:07The issue was not enough designed runs. Just 6.5 carries per game.
26:11Jalen Hurts was at 10.0 in the three seasons before that in terms of carries per game.
26:16He needs to get back up to 10.0. I want to blame Petulo for everything.
26:21There were rumors out of Philly that Hurts went to the front office, went to the coaches, and said, I don't want to do this many designed runs.
26:30I want to be a pocket passer. Listen, man, you got to do what you do best.
26:36You run best. And after last year, I think they're going to get back on him to get back closer to 10 carries per game.
26:44And so Hurts has been one of my most clicked quarterbacks in the best ball stuff so far.
26:50But anyways, that's my rant on Jalen Hurts. Evan, any thoughts on the Jalen Hurts rushing stuff this season?
26:56Very good news for Jalen Hurts. Also, good news in light of the fact that we kind of know now that Jeff
27:03Stoutland, who is no longer the Eagles offensive line coach, was really behind the scenes pushing for the tush push.
27:10You know? And now that he's gone and we got the new OC in there and he's talking about, no, no, no,
27:17we're going to keep the tush push. Very, very good news.
27:20Yeah. And I mean, this was a guy who scored 14, 15, and 13 rushing touchdowns before he only had eight last year.
27:28If he can get back up to like 15 rushing touchdowns, there's nothing stopping Jalen Hurts from being, you know, a top two, top three fantasy quarterback.
27:37We have him as the quarterback five this year.
27:40ADP is quarterback six right now on Jalen Hurts.
27:43Story eight. We can't go have a week go by, Evan, without talking about Jaguars backfield.
27:48They had a scrimmage on Friday and John Shipley is doing the Lord's work, tracking all this stuff.
27:54So, Basial Tootin started the first drive of this scrimmage, only came off the field on third down for LeQuint Allen.
28:01Chris Rodriguez then started the second drive before rotating with Tootin.
28:04Eventually, Jaguars settled into a rotation where Tootin would start the drives.
28:08Rodriguez would come on the field when the Jaguars got within the 10-yard line, and then Allen would play all of the third downs.
28:16So, the pure three-headed backfield here, Evan, any reaction to what happened at the Jaguars scrimmage among RBs last week?
28:22Sort of like we just talked about with the Chargers.
28:26You know, this has the makings of a potential three-man backfield, and I think that what time has shown us is that
28:33in a really good offense, you can have a two-man backfield, and both of those dues can be every-week starters in season-long leagues.
28:40It's really hard in a three-man backfield. And because what often happens is like, you know, and this is the perfect example.
28:47This is actually a better example than the Chargers of, you know, the true bear case on a three-man backfield because Basial
28:55Tootin could just get nipped hard in the passing game and in goal line because that's Chris Rodriguez's strength at the goal
29:02line and in short yardage, and that's LaQuint Allen's strength is, you know, the passing downs, blitz pickup, long down and distance.
29:09So, Basial Tootin could have like a really nice real-life year, and Liam Cohen's like, oh, man, you know, he's really cooking
29:16for us, and, you know, he could, you know, lead the team in touches, and he could still not really move the
29:23needle in fantasy because he's getting nipped in terms of touchdowns and catches.
29:28You know, so that's the fear, I think, with Basial Tootin.
29:31We're all intrigued by Basial Tootin, you know. He ran 4-3-2 coming out of college.
29:36He is, you know, he was good in the passing game in college.
29:40It's just they had the makings of a three-man backfield, and it's a little bit scary.
29:45And it's also scary because, you know, Thorne doesn't like the Jaguars' offensive line.
29:50He loves the Chargers' offensive line. Yeah. You know, so, you know, it's – like I'm right in line with a consensus on Basial Tootin.
29:58I'm not going to move him up any higher.
30:01Like I'm where I'm at with Basial Tootin going forward.
30:04Yeah, no, I mean, based on the way you talked there, I was thinking maybe you were thinking about moving him down
30:12because Evan right now is at 55 overall. If anything, I would move him down.
30:16Yeah, I mean, Evan's at 55 overall. I thought that home leagues wouldn't be on Tootin, really.
30:22His home league ADP is 55. Overall, like home league people are taking Basial Tootin here also.
30:27So, yeah, it's definitely really, really tough for me at 55 overall.
30:31And I do think, like, the way that it runs out really good for Tootin is he is just so much better
30:39than Chris Rodriguez that he ends up with 75, 80% of the non-Laquint Allen snaps.
30:43And that's possible. Like, Tootin should be way better than Chris Rodriguez, I think.
30:48But, yeah, he's going to have to earn it.
30:51And I think there's a really wide range of outcomes here on Tootin.
30:55Speaking of that, Jack wrote an article for us about guys with the highest and lowest range of outcomes this season.
31:02I think that's important while you're drafting. Like, you do not want to have a team full of guys with a really
31:09wide range of outcomes or a team full of guys all with a really tight range of outcomes.
31:15Like, there should be a mix there. So, yeah, if you have DraftKid Pro, check out that article.
31:21All right. Story nine. Browns rookie wide receiver Denzel Boston is making waves.
31:25Reportedly, I mean, everyone is going nuts from Benjamin Solak to Browns beat reporters to teammates.
31:30Everyone is saying Denzel Boston has dominated Browns camp.
31:33Todd Monken said that Boston will now start working with the ones at practice.
31:38Evan, any thoughts on this hype around Denzel Boston?
31:41It's been a steady drumbeat since the beginning of OTAs and minicamp.
31:45You know, and there's a lot of opportunity there.
31:48Obviously, nobody likes the quarterback situation. What was up with that?
31:51Somebody reported that Shador Sanders might get traded. Yeah, I didn't really believe that.
31:56I didn't either. Ian Rappaport reported yesterday that he thinks Deshaun Watson is in the lead to be the week one starter right now.
32:04We are assuming that both guys are going to make starts this year.
32:08But Denzel Boston, you know, the thing that has sort of turned me off on Denzel Boston is that looking more into
32:15his prospect profile coming out of college, it's not really indicative of a player that's going to jump into the NFL and become like a big-time star.
32:24Like, it's more indicative of a player that might become like a sacrificial X.
32:28And he's going to play X, I believe, for the Browns as a rookie.
32:33But the fact that he's made these moves this quickly is really impressive and that it's been steady.
32:39I mean, a lot of times there's a rookie in Buffalo, Skylar Bell, who he generated some stuff at OTAs and minicamp,
32:46and that's just fallen by the wayside. That happens a lot.
32:50But this has been steady for Denzel Boston. I do think he's a good football player.
32:55It's just his production profile coming out of college was not indicative of a big-time producer in the NFL.
33:01So, I don't know. I'm going to move him up, though.
33:05He's on my list of guys to move up at least a little bit.
33:09Okay, yeah. And you can always check Silva's changelog also for his changes.
33:13We also have an ETR changelog going for changes we make to the ETR ranks.
33:18The Boston bet is one that I like to make just because I want to bet against Jerry Judy and I want to bet on Todd Monken.
33:27So, add those two things together. But for redraft, you know, it's tougher, I think, especially given the quarterback play.
33:34But I have been taking Boston. I have been taking Boston late in best ball.
33:38All right. Story number 10. Gosh, this Alec Pierce thing, Evan.
33:42Last week, I probably came off too optimistic on Alec Pierce because now he is still, still a couple weeks away.
33:49Ballard keeps saying that Pierce can be back for the regular season.
33:53We have mixed reports on PRP injections, how many he had, when he had them.
33:58We also have mixed reports on atrophy, on whether he's limping or not, and all this other stuff.
34:03So, we have gone with a big doc in the ETR ranks on Alec Pierce.
34:08Evan, how are you handling the Pierce situation right now?
34:12I have him at 77 overall. Where are you at on Alec Pierce?
34:16Oh, we just, we were, we took him down to 111 overall.
34:20I just, I don't, I like, I came out low on him.
34:24And then like, everybody got lower than me on him.
34:27And then like, I really haven't moved him down anymore because I sort of like felt like this was going to be the case.
34:35And then so I just haven't moved him down anymore.
34:38It seems worse than, the ankle thing seems worse than what was expected, I think.
34:43Yeah. I mean, I, I felt like that was, that was how it was trending.
34:48Um, uh, yeah. Yeah. I know it's the tough, these injury situations are really tough.
34:53And then there was a report that he had another PRP.
34:56And then there was a report that he didn't actually have another PRP.
35:01Ballard, Chris Ballard said that he did not have another PRP.
35:04Right. I don't, I don't know, man. I don't trust this Ballard dude at all.
35:09Like, seriously, like, like at all. Um, what I do think though, is that I guess maybe I gave them too much credit.
35:16When you give a guy $114 million, I assume you're aware of all his injuries.
35:21You know what I mean? Like, it's just crazy to me to be giving, like playing for that size.
35:28I mean, effectively gambling for that size and not having all your T's crossed and I's dotted.
35:33So. I'll tell you what. And somebody was saying it in, in our private Slack that, um, you know, all these rumors
35:40about Keenan Allen, it doesn't make sense for the Colts to go get a guy like Keenan Allen.
35:46It doesn't make sense for them to trade for a guy like Kayshawn Booty or, um, I think it was Jack Miller
35:53maybe suggested like trade for Darius Slayton. Yeah. I mean, that makes a lot more sense from a tactical and skillset standpoint
36:00to give you insurance on Alec Pierce. I just, I don't think that Ashton Doolin is enough insurance and actually Ashton Doolin
36:08may all may also have like a decent size role to begin with.
36:12So, I mean, they, they need to go, it'll send up a huge red flag if they go make another, make an
36:19actual move like that to trade for a guy.
36:22Yeah. Well, they need the field stretcher because Downs and Warren aren't going to be field stretchers, you know?
36:28So they absolutely need a field stretcher out there.
36:31You know who they could use, Evan? A.D. Mitchell.
36:34What are they doing trading away A.D. Mitchell? But anyways, I digress.
36:38Yeah. We'll see what happens there. But again, on ETR ranks, we have gone down to 111 for now on Pierce.
36:45That's extremely volatile though. Like if we see positive stuff, we will move him back up quickly.
36:50I wonder what Will Fuller is up to these days.
36:54Story 11, let's go to Green Bay. Tucker Craft off of the ACL tear out there running routes, ramping up quickly.
37:00Seems like he's going to be ready for week one.
37:04I am a little queasy on Craft given the way he scores his points.
37:08This really short average depth of target and then this crazy yards after catch.
37:13Similar to the George Kittle discussion, now that he's coming off this severe injury, is he going to be able to get
37:20as much yak as he has historically and last year?
37:23So Evan, I'm sure you've seen these videos. What do you think of Tucker Craft right now?
37:29I feel real good about him. I have him in a very draftable range.
37:33I myself have drafted him quite a bit. He's right there with like Laporta and I know people will roll their eyes,
37:40but Kyle Pitts, who I'm obviously high on, he's right in that tier.
37:45So yeah, I feel good about him. And obviously it's different from George Kittle and you know this, but it's because George
37:52Kittle is like four rounds cheaper or three rounds cheaper than Tucker Craft is.
37:56Yeah. Yeah. And we're going to talk about Kittle here in a second.
38:01I'm going to talk about this more in the draft strategy article, but that Laporta, Kraft, Fannin, Pitts tier at tight end,
38:08I think is like the last call for me.
38:11Like I want to get one of these guys, I think, but...
38:15And then if not, you're just waiting? And if not, just whatever.
38:19Yeah. I mean, then you're gonna have to just like play the wire, I think.
38:23But there's some other guys that I have ideas about that I'll talk about in the article too, that yeah, I just
38:31think there's a lot of different ways to play tight end this year.
38:35But Dalton Kincaid and Isaiah Likely are also pretty intriguing, at least from a discussion standpoint.
38:40We're going to talk about Kincaid here later today.
38:43Yeah. The Likely thing is interesting as well, especially if you think Malik Neighbors is going to be slow to come back.
38:50But my point on Kraft was just, I don't think like Laporta, Fannin, and Pitts to me are similar bets to Tucker Craft.
38:58And if you're worried about the ACL stuff, I think you can take those guys instead.
39:03All right. Oh, while we're on Green Bay, Josh Jacobs has this groin thing.
39:07He's going to be out a week. Normally, we wouldn't talk about these minor injuries on here.
39:13But there's been speculation on two fronts on Jacobs.
39:16First, maybe he's compensating for the knee injury that he sustained last year.
39:20That seems far-fetched to me, but it was a PCL.
39:23And gosh, I'm so freaked out by these PCL things.
39:27And then also speculation from Schefter today that Jacobs is not out of the woods from a disciplinary perspective.
39:33So it continues to trend up in a huge way for Marshawn Lloyd, who now goes in like round 13, 14.
39:40I see a lot in the best ball stuff.
39:43Evan, any thoughts on the Jacobs-Lloyd situation right now?
39:46So just kind of fueling my notion of not wanting Josh Jacobs this year and definitely tapping Marshawn Lynch late in drafts whenever I possibly – Marshawn Lynch.
39:55Marshawn Lloyd. That's a Joey Rudman. That's a Joey Rudman thing.
39:58Who, by the way, sang the seventh-inning stretch at Wrigley Field last week.
40:03Shout out Joey Rudman. But yeah, I mean, just confirmation bias for me when it comes to Josh Jacobs and Marshawn Lloyd.
40:10Yeah. Yeah, Evan's at 47 overall here on Jacobs.
40:13He's going high still. He's going 28th overall. Oh, gross.
40:16All right. We mentioned George Kittle. Story 13, George Kittle off the Achilles, running full speed, cutting hard.
40:22I mean, this started at tight end U where we had these videos.
40:26His videos look incredible. Now, he is still on active slash PUP, but per Matt Zenitz, who's doing national reporting now for
40:33CBS, there is a high level of confidence Kittle will play week one.
40:37I always assumed he would debut in week two because week one is in Australia.
40:42But still, optimism abounds around Kittle right now. Evan, are you at all thinking about moving Kittle up?
40:48He's still 33, coming off a torn Achilles. And his game has always been built on low target numbers and just creating explosive plays.
40:56But he is a future first ballot Hall of Famer, and he is a crazy athlete.
41:01That's one of the reasons that back at Roto World, we were high on George Kittle like right out of the gate
41:08because we knew that at Iowa, you know, they didn't throw the ball, period, back then.
41:14I don't even know. I don't think they still throw the ball very much.
41:18But we forgave him for his receiving numbers because we saw he was such a freak athlete.
41:24And what he did do when he did get thrown the ball was incredible as well.
41:29Fifth round steal out of Iowa. But, yeah, I mean, the efficiency.
41:33You know, is the efficiency going to keep up with what he's been able to do at age 33 coming off the torn Achilles?
41:41The videos look awesome. And I've drafted a decent amount of them.
41:45I mean, even where I have him, I have gotten him a decent amount.
41:49I mean, this skill position core in San Francisco is crazy because you got 33-year-old Mike Evans.
41:55You got, you know, 33-year-old Kittle coming off the Achilles.
41:58You got 30-year-old Christian McCaffrey. You got Pearsall. He's gone.
42:01You know, they had to sign Debo Samuel. A lot of moving parts.
42:05You know, Desjuan Stribling, you know, generating a ton of hype.
42:09And even he, I think, missed about a week.
42:12So all kinds of crazy stuff. Having so many moving parts in San Francisco.
42:16It's just so fragile for the 49ers. It could go really bad.
42:20Trent Williams is also 38 years old, I'd add to the list there.
42:25I mean, it could go really bad for them.
42:28But if these guys can stay healthy, I'd still be excited about them.
42:32And like on Kittle specifically for me, the reason that he is a target for me is because the ability to get
42:39a spike week guy at tight end is just so valuable.
42:43There just aren't that many of them on the planet.
42:46And like George Kittle has had 17 games of 20-plus DraftKings points over the last three seasons.
42:51Like, there's just not that many tight ends that can go out and get you a 30 ball.
42:57And Kittle is certainly one of them. Speaking of tight ends, let's go to story 14.
43:02I've been trying to track Dalton Kincaid's health because that's really, I think, all that's been holding him back.
43:09So I was thrilled to see or read that Dalton Kincaid has not missed a single practice through two weeks.
43:15We also have some reports out of Buffalo. They plan to throw more this season.
43:20So, Evan, you mentioned Kincaid already as a late-round tight end target for you.
43:25It has to make you feel good that he's practiced every single day so far.
43:29Yeah, absolutely. We love to see. And he was a guy, you know, PCL injury cost Kyle Pitts essentially, you know, two years of his career.
43:38Brock Bowers maybe, you know, a year and a half.
43:41I think that it contributed to Brashad Perryman falling out of the NFL.
43:45You know what I mean? Just the PCL stuff is really, really rough.
43:50You brought it up that Josh Jacobs had that last year.
43:53That's scary. So, but, like, now I think Dalton Kincaid is healthy.
43:57I did JJ's show yesterday. We're doing this on Tuesday.
44:00I did his show on Monday. It's out. And he and we each did five players that we are targeting in drafts this year.
44:08And one of his guys was Dalton Kincaid. And he built an excellent case.
44:13So Dalton Kincaid has been extremely efficient on a per-route basis.
44:16It's just we just need him to run more routes.
44:20You remember, he's a first-round pick in the draft, dude.
44:23Like, you know, that's not – I mean, it's becoming more common at tight end.
44:28But it's not super, super common. And, you know, and I still think we have a bunch of mediocrity at wide receiver in Buffalo.
44:36I know you can sort of talk yourself into DJ Moore.
44:39But DJ Moore is, I think, on the back nine of his career, the way that his efficiency has trended.
44:46Dalton Kincaid, if we can get his route totals to increase this year, and maybe they will because he stayed healthy, because
44:53he showed the coaching staff that he could stay healthy for a full training camp, like, he's got a really high ceiling.
45:00Yeah. I have him at tight end 15 right now.
45:03I'm going to boost him up. JJ had him at tight end 10.
45:07You can make a case for him that he has the upside to finish as, like, a top five tight end this year.
45:15I don't think it's crazy at all. Yeah. We are at tight end 10 in the ETR ranks on Kincaid there, and I feel pretty good about that.
45:24I just want to note, like, as he runs more routes – and I do think he'll run more routes this year – efficiency will decline.
45:33That just, like, always happens, unless you're Jackson Smith and Jigba or whatever.
45:37But, you know, it will decline, but that's still – he's still one of the ceiling guys at tight end.
45:43I mean, in two really big games last year, the Chiefs game and the Patriots game, one of the Patriot games –
45:50I mean, Kincaid had over 100 yards. Like, dude is a baller.
45:54I mean, there's absolutely no doubt. He's quietly, like, extremely quietly one of the best receiving tight ends in the NFL.
46:01He just hasn't had the total – which is crazy because he plays in a Josh Allen quarterbacked offense.
46:07But, I mean, he definitely is one of the best naturally skilled receiving tight ends in the league.
46:13Yeah. I mean, the PCL thing just torpedoed a lot for Don Kincaid.
46:18All right. Story 15. I had to bring up this Nick Underhill quote.
46:22I retweeted if you want to see the full video, but basically what he said, Underhill said, and he watches camp every day.
46:29He said, I don't think it's outlandish to say Jordan Tyson will be in the conversation for best player on the Saints by week 12.
46:37We see talent that is extremely obvious that he's in the upper tier of talent among all players on the team.
46:44Not a surprise. I mean, Jordan Tyson was an awesome prospect who probably would have gone higher if not for the injury concerns coming out of college.
46:53Evan is outrageously high on Tyson. Tyson has also been one of our biggest stances over the last couple months in the ETR rank.
47:01So we're not going to have a move here, Evan, but just wanted to bring it up.
47:06Any thoughts on the Tyson hype? Yeah. I mean, I've said so many good things about Jordan Tyson.
47:12I mean, it's funny. You say, oh, he might have even gone higher, you know, had he not had – he went
47:19number eight overall despite having injury concerns, you know.
47:22He was a top ten pick in the draft with, like, pretty significant injury stuff, you know.
47:28You know, no combine workout. He did work out at his pro day.
47:32But did he get timed? I can't remember. I don't think so.
47:36Either way, he was not healthy throughout the entire pre-draft process.
47:40And he still went number eight overall. That's how good Jordan Tyson is.
47:44The comparisons that I've sort of made in my head is that, you know, this is like with Olave and Jordan Tyson
47:51is like Isaac Bruce and Torrey Holt. They play indoors.
47:54They're not, like, overly, like, physical or, you know, physically imposing players.
47:58They just – they're route technicians and they're, like, really flexible and, like, athletic and, like, separation specialists.
48:04That's what Isaac Bruce and Torrey Holt were. And that's what I think that Jordan Tyson and Chris Olave can be in New Orleans this year.
48:13We just need Tyler Shuck to be, you know, 85% of Kurt Warner.
48:17And then we're really, really cooking. But, yeah, I'm super – I have freaking Jordan Tyson 51 overall as ADP is, like, in the 80s.
48:25Yeah, exactly. So if you're using my rankings, you are getting Jordan Tyson.
48:29You're going to like it. Yeah, I mean, we're at 62 overall in ETR ranks, which, again, is very, very above ADP there also.
48:37All right. This one I don't think is that relevant for redraft, but everybody's talking about this Jacoby Lane dude.
48:44So I figured I'd bring it up. Jameson Hensley had this tweet.
48:47In 27 years of covering the Ravens, I'm not sure I've seen a rookie have a training camp quite like Jacoby Lane.
48:55Office of coordinator Declan Doyle gave Jacoby Lane a Mike Thomas comp.
48:58The reason that I don't want to go nuts here is because secondary wide receivers for the Ravens in the Lamar Jackson era do not hit.
49:07Like, that is not something that has been a thing whatsoever.
49:11So if you're going to be taking Zay Flowers at 30 overall, 35 overall, it's going to be really tough to get there on these secondary wide receivers.
49:20But I don't want to, like, rule out that a young guy could be really, really good.
49:25So Evan, do you buy this at all on Jacoby Lane?
49:29I mean, it was an interesting quote because Jamison Hensley, you know, he's been covering the Ravens longer than I've been, you know, covering the NFL.
49:37He's not a guy who's prone to hyperbole. And so for him to say that, it's like, wow, you know, I just
49:44it was just something that I filed away. You know, I didn't make any real rankings changes or, you know, put him
49:52in my top 100 or anything like that. But it's certainly interesting.
49:56I mean, it's not crazy that he can beat out Rashad Bateman.
49:59You know, like I liked Rashad Bateman. He has had tons of opportunity and rarely done it.
50:05I'm not sure how much of that is Bateman's fault and how much is just the setup, how run heavy they are, etc.
50:12Lamar throwing to tight ends a lot. But yeah.
50:15Oh, I did want to mention the other guy like Jacoby Lane's getting insane amount of camp buzz.
50:21There's been other guys, Denzel Boston, Josh Downs. But Pat Bryant over the last week is getting a ton of camp buzz.
50:28I've seen him start going very high in drafts.
50:31You have a take on him at all, Evan?
50:34Yeah, I've been drafting him the entire time. I mean, he's one of my highest owned best ball guys.
50:40I took him in the FFPC pros versus Joes.
50:43I think that he's going to be a big slot receiver.
50:47And they're already talking about maybe that he could play some X if Cortland Sutton starts to go by the wayside.
50:54So yeah. Yeah. Pat Bryant is an awesome, awesome, awesome late round pick, especially in best ball.
50:59I thought he really flashed last year. Remember Sean Payton compared him to Michael Thomas, who's like one of the OG big slots.
51:07I love that. Yeah. I was at that playoff game last year, Broncos-Bills and yeah, Broncos-Bills, the divisional game.
51:13And the game plan was Pat Bryant. I mean, like three out of the first four targets were to Pat Bryant.
51:20And then he gets a concussion. He's out for the game.
51:23So yeah. And I don't think Cortland Sutton is like a special player at all.
51:28So it's yeah. I think it's an interesting pick also.
51:32All right. Last one. Small one. Isaiah Pacheco has an MCL sprain.
51:36The Lions expect him to be ready for week one, but MCL sprain is certainly not ideal.
51:41They also have Vakie, Simone Vakie, who's been banged up also as a backup.
51:46And also from the Lions, Cade Mays, their starting center out eight to 10 weeks.
51:51Thorne did have a move on that in the ranks.
51:54You can read his article for more on that.
51:57But yeah, Evan, any thoughts on these Lions injuries?
52:00Pacheco and Cade Mays. Pacheco has not really been a factor to me throughout this.
52:05I think that we've seen the best of Isaiah Pacheco in the NFL.
52:09And I think at this point, like his roster spot is probably in danger, you know, and we have all these running
52:16backs that are theoretically floating around, especially in Arizona.
52:19Like what's going to happen with Trey Benson? Straight speculation about James Conner.
52:23But the thing here that you mentioned that really stuck was the Cade Mays thing, because I know that Thorne was really
52:30high on him, that he thought that that was an awesome addition for the Lions.
52:35That, you know, last year's center was a huge problem for them.
52:39They lost Ragnow. And then they went with like Graham Glass now, and he just he wasn't good.
52:45And then they even thought about bringing back Ragnow off of out of retirement.
52:49And then he showed up with like a grade three hamstring tear.
52:53So they couldn't play him. So they went out and spent money on Cade Mays, who Thorne thinks is really good.
53:00And to lose him, it sucks. They do have a backup in Juice Scruggs, who was highly drafted, but has bounced around.
53:07But it's definitely a blow. The good news is that Cade Mays is not out for the season, but it's a wrist injury for a center.
53:16Ah, I hate that. Yeah. Yeah, certainly not ideal.
53:19We didn't have any moves off of that. We obviously have moves on the Pacheco thing, but not on the Cade Mays thing.
53:26But yeah, it's certainly not ideal. Okay, we talked a lot about most of Silva's rank changes.
53:32He'll have more coming up in the next 48 hours for people who have DraftKid Pro.
53:37But the one rank change that we didn't hit on here, Evan, story 18.
53:42Silva moves Brees back to running back 13, now behind Amar in Hampton and Javante Williams.
53:47Evan, people want to know why move Brees back behind Hampton and Javante here.
53:51It really wasn't a very significant move because Brees Hall stayed in the same tier.
53:56All those guys are in the same tier. It's just I found myself drafting Javante Williams with a lot more confidence over Brees Hall.
54:04We did a draft. I think that—I can't remember what it was.
54:08I think it got posted to YouTube, and someone called me out in the YouTube comments like, Silva has Brees Hall ahead
54:15of Javante Williams in his drafts, but he took Javante Williams ahead of Brees Hall.
54:20So, hey, thank you for calling me out on that, and I made the corresponding switch in my rankings.
54:26Because I want to stay true to my ranks, so I want to be transparent about that.
54:32Yeah, I would personally have that for me, Hampton first, then Brees, then Javante.
54:36But it's certainly really close. I do think that Brees going from these rushing quarterbacks like Fields and Terod or whatever to
54:44now going to Geno, who might check down more, is good for him.
54:48And there's been positive coach speak about Brees Hall being the guy they featured, and he just got paid.
54:54Like, if you think the Jets can win eight games, I think Brees is going to smash.
54:59It's just, are they going to win eight games?
55:02You know, it's tough to say. All right. What if they win seven?
55:07I still think he smashes. I think. Okay. Oh, before we get out of here, I did want to make sure everyone
55:14at DraftKid Pro is aware of this. The thing that tilts me the most about doing drafts on Yahoo and ESPN and
55:21Sleeper is I cannot, they do not allow uploads of our rankings or anyone's rankings to their site.
55:27So I was so tilted about this. I told our tech lords, we have to solve this.
55:32So now, if you go to establish the run, you go down to the tools section, the NFL tab, you'll find a
55:40link to an extension, which will allow you to upload the rankings from ETR that you want to use.
55:46And then you'll be able to see them as you're drafting on Yahoo, and it'll take guys away as they get drafted from the rankings.
55:54So I think that's just like, I don't know.
55:57I was so tilted about it. I'm sure you guys were too.
56:01So I hope this is a nice addition for you guys.
56:04You know, no extra cost. It's just, it's in DraftKid Pro now.
56:08So if you're interested in that, be sure to check that out.
56:12All right. Big week coming still. Man vs. Machine.
56:15Leonie vs. Silva. For all the marbles. And then also, the auction strategy show.
56:20One of my favorite and sharpest auction bros, Chris Eibel.
56:23Stay tuned for those two shows again. Be sure you are subscribed here on YouTube.
56:28It is indeed free. Four. Evan. Bruce Ryan. Bruce Luke.
56:31I am Adam. Good luck, everybody.