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Man vs. Machine 2026: Evan Silva and Michael Leone Debate Their Biggest Rankings Discrepancies (Episode 1008)

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1 hr 14 min
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Aug 13, 2026
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Thu, August 13, 2026
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Juwan JohnsonLuther BurdenA.J. BrownBrock BowersBucky IrvingJ.K. DobbinsJosh DownsJustin JeffersonKenneth Walker IIIKyle PittsKyren WilliamsMike EvansPatrick MahomesQuentin Johnston
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A.J. Brown

PositiveProjection34:34

Leone highlights AJ Brown's elite efficiency and volume, noting he commanded 27-28% target shares in Philadelphia. In New England, he faces no competition for targets and is paired with an ascending quarterback, creating a massive ceiling.

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NegativeBust35:26

Silva is lower on AJ Brown, citing his age (29), recent career lows in efficiency metrics, and reports of a degenerative knee condition. Silva notes Brown has missed time with hamstring injuries in consecutive seasons and is in the 'descent phase' of his career.

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Brock Bowers

NegativeValue23:56

Leone argues that drafting Brock Bowers at the 1-2 turn is a high-risk proposition that requires him to be a clear-cut TE1 by a significant margin. Concerns include his history of PCL injuries, the transition to a rookie quarterback (Mendoza), and historical data showing pass-catchers struggle with rookie QBs compared to veterans.

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PositiveProjection25:43

Silva defends his high ranking of Brock Bowers, citing his status as a two-time Mackey Award winner and his record-breaking 112 catches as a rookie. Silva expects Bowers to dominate the Raiders' target share under Clint Kubiak, comparing his projected role to Jackson Smith-Njigba's usage in Seattle last year.

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Bucky Irving

NegativeUsage18:44

Evan Silva ranks Bucky Irving at 82 overall (RB31), citing concerns over his lack of receiving work, competition from Kenneth Gainwell, and the potential for Sean Tucker to handle goal-line duties. Silva notes Irving had zero carries inside the five-yard line last year.

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PositiveProjection20:18

Michael Leone ranks Bucky Irving at 55 overall (RB24), arguing that Irving's poor efficiency last year was injury-related. Leone expects a bounce-back behind an improved offensive line and highlights Irving's elite yards-per-route-run metrics over the last two seasons.

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J.K. Dobbins

PositiveValue89:18

Silva argues that J.K. Dobbins is a smash at his RB30 ADP. Despite injury history, Dobbins is a proven efficient runner (5.2 career YPC) playing behind a top-tier offensive line in a run-friendly environment.

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NegativeUsage91:54

Leone expresses concern about J.K. Dobbins' lack of high-value touches, specifically noting potential target competition from R.J. Harvey and Jonah Coleman. Leone suggests Dobbins may provide consistent rushing but lacks the ceiling to be a league-winner.

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Josh Downs

PositiveRole168:58

Silva expects Josh Downs to be the leading receiver for the Colts in his contract year, noting he is moving into two-receiver sets. Silva compares him to Tyler Lockett and emphasizes the high-scoring potential of the Shane Steichen-led offense.

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NegativeValue169:02

Leone acknowledges the upside for Josh Downs but warns against pricing him at his absolute ceiling. He cites risks including Daniel Jones' recovery from an Achilles injury and the possibility of the Colts adding another wide receiver.

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Justin Jefferson

NegativeProjection5:47

Evan Silva ranks Justin Jefferson at 16 overall, citing concerns over Kyler Murray's passing production, which has not exceeded league average since 2021, and the potential for J.J. McCarthy to start in the second half of the season. Silva notes Jefferson finished as WR30 last year and prefers other first-round options.

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PositiveValue8:24

Adam Levitan ranks Justin Jefferson at 8 overall, arguing he is an elite talent and a discount at the back end of the first round. Levitan notes Jefferson's 17-game career pace of 105 catches, 1,534 yards, and 8 touchdowns, and expects team pass volume to rebound with Kyler Murray.

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Juwan Johnson

PositiveProjection65:59

Evan Silva is high on Juwan Johnson due to the Saints' offensive environment, the team's projected high scoring, and the lack of competition for his role at tight end.

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PositiveRole66:30

Michael Leone is concerned about Johnson's breakout potential due to increased target competition from Chris Olave, rookie Jordan Tyson, and running backs Travis Etienne and Alvin Kamara, alongside depth additions like Noah Phan and Oscar Delp.

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PositiveProjection175:36

Silva is betting on the Saints' offensive environment for Juwan Johnson, expecting the team to score many points. He views Johnson as a tight end with little threat to his role in a favorable indoor environment.

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Kenneth Walker III

NegativeBust25:14

Michael Leone ranks Kenneth Walker at 14 overall, expressing concern over his boom-bust nature and poor success rate, particularly at the goal line. Leone notes Walker has never had a double-digit target share and views him as a riskier version of other backs like James Cook or Derrick Henry.

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PositiveProjection27:30

Evan Silva ranks Kenneth Walker at 9 overall, arguing that the Chiefs will build their offense around him given Patrick Mahomes' recovery from ACL/LCL surgery. Silva highlights the lack of in-house competition and the potential for increased dump-off targets, making Walker a candidate for Offensive Player of the Year.

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Kyle Pitts

PositiveValue12:26

Michael Leone ranks Kyle Pitts at 98 overall (TE8), noting that tight ends with similar ADPs historically finish outside the top 12 more often than the top 6. Leone highlights a concerning target-per-route-run split: 32.8% with Drake London off the field versus 18.4% with him on.

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PositiveBreakout15:01

Evan Silva ranks Kyle Pitts at 74 overall (TE5), citing his elite pedigree as a former 4th overall pick and his recovery from a PCL injury that hampered him for years. Silva notes the Falcons' coaching change to Kevin Stefanski and the lack of target competition behind Drake London and Bijon Robinson as major upside factors.

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Kyren Williams

NegativeRole29:38

Silva is fading Kyron Williams, projecting a near 50-50 split with Blake Corum. Silva argues that Corum is more explosive (15% explosive play rate vs. 9% for Williams) and that the Rams' offense requires more explosiveness, which will lead to a decline in Williams' role.

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PositiveUsage30:56

Leone argues against a 50-50 split, noting that the coaching staff trusts Kyron Williams as the superior success-rate rusher, goal-line back, and pass-game contributor (1.01 YPRR vs. 0.57 for Corum). Williams remains a highly efficient, dependable back in a high-scoring offense.

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Luther Burden

PositiveUsage40:54

Leone expresses skepticism regarding Luther Burden's breakout potential, noting that when sharing the field with Rome Odunze, Burden's target-per-route-run (TPRR) was significantly lower (16.3% vs. 21.1%). Burden's efficiency dropped even further when both Odunze and Colston Loveland were on the field.

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PositiveBreakout42:50

Silva is bullish on Luther Burden, citing his elite rookie yards-per-route-run (2.7) and the expectation that he will be the Bears' WR1. Silva argues the Bears' defense will struggle, forcing the team into high-scoring games, and notes that coach Ben Johnson has been highly complimentary of Burden's potential.

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PositiveBreakout73:26

The source notes that the coaching staff is actively promoting Luther Burden, comparing his potential impact to Amon-Ra St. Brown and Jerry Rice. Despite the ETR ranks being higher than the market, the source views him as a high-upside asset who will 'print' fantasy points.

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Mike Evans

PositiveProjection37:46

Silva views Mike Evans as a value pick in the 5th-6th round, arguing he should be a 3rd-4th rounder. Despite age concerns, Evans is the primary X-receiver in a Kyle Shanahan offense with high-quality QB play from Brock Purdy, and he is expected to be a volume monster given the fragility of other 49ers skill players.

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PositiveBust38:48

Leone warns against drafting Mike Evans in the 3rd round, noting he is entering his age-33 season and coming off an injury-plagued year with poor efficiency (5.9 yards per target). Historical data shows very few wide receivers remain productive at age 33.

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Patrick Mahomes

NegativeProjection68:32

Evan Silva ranks Patrick Mahomes as QB15 (118 overall), citing his refusal to run following ACL/LCL injuries and a weak pass-catching core, arguing the offense will funnel through Kenneth Walker.

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PositiveValue69:29

Michael Leone argues Patrick Mahomes is undervalued at QB10, noting he has never finished worse than QB12 in his career and maintains a high floor despite potential shifts toward a run-heavy approach with Kenneth Walker.

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Quentin Johnston

PositiveRole95:39

Silva projects Quentin Johnston as the locked-in WR2 for the Chargers. He notes that Mike McDaniel's scheme, which prioritizes run-after-catch and movement, is a better fit for Johnston's skill set than his previous usage as a boundary X receiver.

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NegativeBust98:27

Leone is skeptical of Quentin Johnston, noting he has been unimpressive through three seasons and saw his targets-per-route-run fall in 2025. Leone also highlights the threat of Trey Harris emerging in the Chargers' offense.

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Tee Higgins

PositiveValue22:12

The source notes Tee Higgins is an expensive draft pick with high opportunity cost. He was touchdown-dependent last year with an outlier 11.2% TD-per-target rate, suggesting regression. His target-per-route-run (TPRR) has declined, and he is currently being drafted ahead of comparable or better options like Devonta Smith, Ladd McConkey, A.J. Brown, and Mike Evans.

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Trey McBride

NegativeProjection75:08

Silva argues for a significant regression for Trey McBride, citing the Cardinals' likely reduction in pass attempts compared to last year's league-leading 649. With a new quarterback in Jacoby Brissett and a less talented roster, Silva expects fewer scoring opportunities and touchdown regression for McBride.

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PositiveUsage78:28

Leone defends Trey McBride as a unique, elite target-earner, noting he has more targets than any player except Ja'Marr Chase over the last two seasons. Leone argues that McBride's target-per-route-run efficiency remains high regardless of the presence of teammates like Marvin Harrison or Michael Wilson.

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Episode Transcript

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0:00Hello and welcome to Episode 1008 of the official EstablishTheRun.com podcast.
0:04My name is Adam Levitan and it is time for the summer's most anticipated event.
0:09The battle the entire fantasy football world has been waiting for.
0:12It is time for Man vs. Machine 2026 edition.
0:15In one corner representing the basement dwellers, the quants, the the spreadsheet socialists, the pale ones, the scientists, the no sex havers, the machines.
0:24It is. Michael Leone? Leone, how's it going today?
0:27It's going well. Is this my time for remarks?
0:30This is your time with the floor is yours for remarks, yes?
0:34Okay. I just want to speak to the people from the heart right now.
0:38You know, we have the man ranks on one side, the machine ranks on the other side.
0:44The man ranks, there's no checks and balances over there.
0:47That's a man who's declared himself king and does whatever he wants to help a select few with his rankings.
0:54On the machine side, democratically derived the every person's ranks.
0:57Hard work, hard work, knowledge, anyone can use these ranks to succeed.
1:02It doesn't matter. You know, if you identify with a certain league or you select a certain scoring system, this is the American dream, is the machine ranks.
1:11All right. Well said. In the other corner, representing the grass touchers, the patriots, the ball knowers, the alphas, the intercourse havers, the humans, the men.
1:20It is, of course. Evan Silva. Evan, how's it going today?
1:23It's good to be back. I feel like, you know, we've been doing this for five or six years, but it really
1:31got serious the last two years, I think. And I beat Leoni in 2024, and he won on a technicality with an asterisk last year.
1:39So this, to me, feels like the rubber match year.
1:43Very, very important for both of us. Yes. Stop the steal, if you will, was Evan's mantra from the last results of the man versus machine.
1:51I'm glad to know we're in the it's rigged portion of the Film Bro Fastism timeline.
1:57For anyone not watching this on YouTube, number one, you should be watching this on YouTube.
2:02Number two, though, let me describe the scene here.
2:05Silva is wearing a literal American flag shirt with a historical USA flag hat.
2:10I am wearing a referee jersey, and Leoni is wearing standard ETR nerd attire.
2:14On today's show, we are going to pit the man, Silva, against the machine, Leoni.
2:20To be clear here, Silva is representing his personal top 150 fantasy football rankings for this season, which are from his human mind.
2:27Leoni is representing our ETR rankings, which are more model-based with a lot of human-based, but still mathematical interventions.
2:34They will debate their biggest ranking discrepancies this year, and I, your humble referee, your humble judge, will declare a winner based on their argument.
2:42Not which ranking I agree with. I'm going to try to do this based on who had the better argument.
2:49Once this NFL season is over, we will revisit these debates and name an official winner of Man vs.
2:55Machine 2026. Before we get started here, I just wanted to make it clear, we are adding a weekly Man vs.
3:02Machine show during the season, this season. That show will be for NFL in-season product subscribers only.
3:08The idea of this show is each week, you know, there's going to be five or six big fantasy football storylines.
3:15Just going to allow Silva and Leoni to debate them.
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3:33At EstablishTheRun.com. All right. Without further ado, let's let the dogs off their leashes and get into it.
3:39We are going to cover 17 players, 17 ranking discrepancies here today.
3:43First player, and I'm going to give Silva the floor here first.
3:47First player, Justin Jefferson. Silva is at 16 overall on Justin Jefferson.
3:51Justin Jefferson. ETR ranks come in at 8 overall on Justin Jefferson.
3:55Silva the floor here for being low. Lower than ETR and lower than market, frankly, on Justin Jefferson.
4:01So I think it's at least just a little bit worrisome that Kyler Murray couldn't shake J.J.
4:07McCarthy right away to begin Vikings camp. And I also think it's true that Kyler Murray hasn't been better than league average
4:14in terms of passing production since 2021. Kyler Murray has been in the NFL for seven years.
4:20He has never thrown more than 26 touchdown passes in an individual season.
4:24I mean, you go back to Arizona, like people thought that Trey McBride was incapable or like allergic to the end zone because of Kyler Murray.
4:33I think it's very much within the realm of possibility that we see J.J.
4:38McCarthy make starts in the second half of this season.
4:41Justin Jefferson did not miss a single game last year.
4:44He finishes the wide receiver 30. Okay. So there's just so many players I would rather take in the first round than Justin Jefferson this year.
4:53And within the top 15, that's why I have Justin Jefferson as my number 16 overall player, whereas Levitan has him at number eight.
5:01Hmm. Strong argument out of the gates from Silva.
5:04Levitan, your retort. Yeah, I think this is one of the better picks in the back end of the first round.
5:11It's not often we get a discount on elite talent like this.
5:15This is arguably the most talented wide receiver in the entire NFL.
5:19If you look at his 17-game average for his entire career, 105 catches, 1,534 yards, eight touchdowns a season.
5:26That's his 17-game pace. Absolutely remarkable. Last season, J.J.
5:29McCarthy tanked the whole thing in a way that I didn't think was possible.
5:34I was wrong on that. But even going from that to Kyler Murray, even if he's league average passing-wise, we are ecstatic with what that looks like.
5:43J.J. McCarthy, again, he tanked the whole thing. Not only was he super inefficient throwing the ball, they had to run more
5:50than they wanted to to cover up for him.
5:53And he also didn't convert a lot of his dropbacks into pass attempts.
5:57He took a ton of sacks. He was scrambling a lot.
6:01It's not like Kyler is amazing at those things, but he's much better than J.J.
6:06McCarthy. So I think we really want to buy this talent here.
6:10The team pass volume should rebound in a pretty big way.
6:14And ultimately, we could very well see Justin Jefferson go in the top three to five picks in the first round next season.
6:22Leone, you didn't address one of Silva's points that I think is an important one, which was if it does not go
6:29well, if it goes mediocre, we might see J.J.
6:32McCarthy down the stretch. Do you want to address that point from Mr.
6:36Silva? Yeah, I think Kyler's going to play well enough to hold this job over the course of this season.
6:43I think J.J. McCarthy was, again, just that awful that unless he's shown massive improvement that the coaches are seeing that we're
6:51not seeing, he's not going to make a start.
6:54And if he does make a start, hopefully that indicates that that improvement has been there and the coaches are seeing it.
7:01Okay. I'm going to give this one to Silva.
7:04I think that I don't buy Leone's argument that this is a discount at eight overall.
7:09There are so many good players to take in round one.
7:13You have Amon Ross, St. Brown there, who is very safe.
7:17You have Jonathan Taylor, who I would consider to be very safe.
7:21CeeDee Lamb, James Cook, Saquon Barkley. And so if you don't want to, I wouldn't consider it a discount, I guess is my best point.
7:29And yeah, I think there's also some risk there.
7:32A tail risk that if they do not play well enough, we're going to see J.J.
7:38down the stretch. So I will go with Silva for the first argument there.
7:42Player two, Leone will go first here, is Kyle Pitts.
7:46In Silva's top 150, he's at 74 overall on Kyle Pitts, the tight end five.
7:51ETR ranks 98 overall on Kyle Pitts, the tight end eight.
7:54Leone, go ahead on Kyle Pitts. Yeah, it's a tough one for me.
7:59Everyone knows that I'm a longtime Kyle Pitts stan, but the range where Silva has him ranked, if you look at tight
8:06ends the last five years with ADPs in that range, they are much more likely to finish outside the top 12 tight
8:14ends than they are to finish as a top six tight end.
8:18And that's just because we're generally rotating in guys who had really good seasons the year before, but aren't necessarily elite talents.
8:25It's a volatile position. It's difficult to predict. I'd much rather have guys like George Kittle, Dalton Kincaid, Dallas Goddard that go pick 100 or later.
8:34Much less opportunity cost there with similar type of upside.
8:37And speaking to that upside, we saw Pitts go absolutely bananas a few games down the stretch.
8:43But if you look at the on off splits with Drake London, he had a 32.8% target per out run with London off the field.
8:51Only 18.4% with London on the field. It's good that he can be an alpha when London's out, but it's definitely concerning for his base projection.
9:00Silva, your reply. Yeah, so I'm well aware that Kyle Pitts from 2022 through 2024 was a perennial disappointment, borderline bust.
9:07Those actually were the years that Leone was on him because Leone was not on him last year.
9:13I was way ahead of him on Kyle Pitts last year and I was right.
9:18I'm going to be right again this year because I'm again way ahead of Leone on Kyle Pitts, who is an elite talent.
9:26He won the Mackey Award in 2020. He was the fourth overall pick in the 2021 draft.
9:32He went for over a thousand yards as a rookie.
9:35What held him back in those years when Leone was betting on him was that he was recovering from a PCL injury,
9:42which I think has been very much highlighted, especially in this training camp with guys and holding back players for multiple years
9:50in their careers, like Dalton Kincaid, Brock Bowers. Kyle Pitts is the poster boy for the PCL injury.
9:56I also think that from 2022 through 2024, he had Arthur Smith as his coach for two of those years.
10:03Is there a more anti-Arthur Smith player in the NFL than Kyle Pitts?
10:07I think not. Last year, finally, Kyle Pitts is healthy from the PCL injury.
10:12He finished second among tight ends behind only Trey McBride in targets and catches.
10:16The Falcons gave him the franchise tack, and then they gave him a big extension, $36 million guaranteed.
10:22That's the most in the league for a tight end.
10:26Kevin Stefanski, the Falcons' new head coach, is a historically tight end friendly offensive schemer.
10:31Tommy Reese has been called in some circles a tight end whisperer.
10:35And the Falcons' pass catcher cabinet is barren behind Drake London and Bijon Robinson.
10:40So all kinds of opportunity. I think that we're getting Kyle Pitts right now in his prime, going on age 26.
10:47He's not even 26 years old yet. So I'm confident in this one.
10:51I love drafting Kyle Pitts this year. Gosh. You know, I agree more with the ETR rank here on Kyle Pitts, and
10:58I think Leonie's strategy point about the tight end position is certainly very well taken.
11:03But I thought Silva made the better argument. So I'm like, I gotta give it to Silva.
11:09I gotta stick with the format here, even though I do think that the ETR rank is cleaner and better on Kyle Pitts.
11:17That's the best argument I'm gonna get all day.
11:20So this is looking bleak for me. Let's go to player three.
11:24It is Bucky Irving. Silva is gonna have the floor first.
11:28Mr. Silva has Bucky Irving, 82 overall. They're running back 31.
11:31So way behind market there on Bucky. ETR ranks 55 overall on Bucky.
11:36The running back 24. Silva, the floor is yours.
11:39So first things first, with Bucky Irving, you were betting on a bounce back.
11:43And historically, betting on bounce backs are bad bets in fantasy football.
11:47Plus, Bucky Irving has to deal with losing receiving work to Kenneth Gainwell, who the Bucks gave quite a bit of money in free agency.
11:56And also potentially using the Bucks, potentially using Sean Tucker at the goal line.
12:01Last year, Bucky Irving had zero carries inside the five yard line.
12:05I don't want running backs that aren't catching passes and aren't scoring touchdowns.
12:09Bucky Irving is a classic guy that I'm avoiding across the board this year.
12:14Okay. Yes. The high value touch argument from Silva here on Bucky.
12:18Leonie, what is your reply to that? Yeah. I mean, the high value touch argument is a strong one.
12:24There's trap concerns, but I just think Silva's double counting that.
12:28Bucky dealt with some health stuff last year. I think that affected the goal line role.
12:33I know Sean Tucker is gonna be involved in the goal line, not pretending otherwise.
12:38But Bucky did get inside the five carries two years ago.
12:42He was successful on those carries. He had the shoulder injury.
12:46They were trying to shy him away from contact last year.
12:49I think that had a lot to do with it.
12:53And his efficiency cratered with the injuries. You know, he went from over five yards a carry to sub four yards per carry.
13:00But we're gonna see a huge bounce back, not only in his health, but in offensive line play.
13:06Thorne has the Bucks third in his offensive line rankings right now.
13:11They were obliterated with injuries last season. So I think that's a really big part of it.
13:16And you're betting on some of that explosiveness. And while Kenny Gainwell is a threat to steal some targets, certainly, it's important
13:24to point out that even with Bucky not playing 100% last year, each of the last two seasons, he's been one of
13:31the best running backs in the entire NFL in yards per route run back to back years.
13:37So I don't think that fast of his game is just going away.
13:41He's too talented. So I'll take some of the trap concerns, just betting on the explosiveness and the bounce back from the
13:49player that is going to get the most touches in this backfield.
13:53Yeah, I came out of the gates this drafting season on Silva's line.
13:57Like, he's not going to get the catches. He's not going to get the goal line.
14:02He's not going to play pass downs. He's not going to get the goal line.
14:07We need to be out on him. But the market has reacted so violently that I've actually been more in on him
14:15as his ADP has dipped towards the 60s here.
14:18I think Leone made the better argument. The key point to Leone's argument here for me on Bucky is just because Kenny
14:25Gainwell plays the clear passing down does not mean Bucky Irving will not catch passes.
14:30We see RJ Harvey, Kenneth Walker. Plenty of guys do not play the pure pass downs but can still catch 35, 40,
14:3845, even 50 balls in a season. So I will give that one to Leone there on Bucky Irving.
14:44Let's go to our fourth player here. Kenneth Walker is up.
14:48Silva is at 9 overall on Kenneth Walker. ETR has come in at 14 overall on Kenneth Walker.
14:54This is not really a big gap at all.
14:57I just want to be clear. But people get so hyper-focused on the first round and the second round that I wanted to include this one here.
15:06We have a bit of a discrepancy at the top.
15:09So this is a Leone first here. Again, ETR at 14 overall on Kenneth Walker.
15:14Yeah, first off, I'm a little salty that Kenneth Walker is ranked 9th in Silva's rankings, won the Super Bowl MVP.
15:21And yet, despite all that, I lost this bullish argument on Kenneth Walker last year in Man vs.
15:27Machine and got dusted playing him in DFS when Zach Charbonnet was out.
15:32So a twisted sense of fate here. But, you know, a lot has obviously changed with his success over the playoffs.
15:39And an ideal landing spot in Kansas City. Hard for him to find a better landing spot, which is why we both
15:46have him up so high in the ranks. But ultimately, when you're looking at running backs that succeed in the first round,
15:54you're looking at truly elite rushing running backs. And you're also looking at workhorse running backs.
15:59And I don't know if Walker's in the truly elite category.
16:03I like him last year at his price because he has that boom-bust explosiveness that gives you a nice ceiling.
16:09But it is boom and bust. He has one of the poor success rates in the entire NFL, especially by the goal line.
16:17He's not very successful. There's some risk there. We've seen Kansas City bring in and use goal line specific backs in the past.
16:25He's never had a double-digit target share. So the combination of all that has me thinking that there's a little bit more
16:32risk than upside where Evan has him ranked. I think Walker is basically a riskier version of the James Cook, Derrick Henry bet.
16:40So that's why we have Walker behind those two backs.
16:43I think Evan's a little too aggressive ranking Walker ahead.
16:47All right. Evan, nine overall on Kenneth Walker. Go ahead.
16:50Yeah, so Kenneth Walker pretty consistently lasts until the early to middle portion of the second round in fantasy drafts.
16:57That's actually where Leone has him at number 14 overall, early second round.
17:01I think he belongs locked into the first round.
17:04I think it makes all the sense in the world for the Chiefs to build their offense around Kenneth Walker with Patrick
17:12Mahomes coming off December surgery to repair his ACL and his LCL.
17:16Patrick Mahomes has admitted publicly that he's not going to run this year.
17:20So that opens up more dump off opportunities for Kenneth Walker.
17:24The Chiefs gave Kenneth Walker almost $15 million a year and $29 million guaranteed.
17:28Their top pass catchers right now are Travis Kelsey, who turns 37 a month into the season, and Rasheed Rice, who had
17:36knee surgery in May and had to rehab it in literal jail.
17:40And has not looked very good so far in training camp.
17:44Our O-line guru, Brandon Thorne, rated the Chiefs offensive line eighth best in the league.
17:49And I think that you can strongly argue that with the exception of Patrick Mahomes, Kenneth Walker is the Chiefs best skill position player.
17:57His backups right now are Amari DiMarcado, who was in Kansas City on basically a veteran minimum contract, and rookie Emmett Johnson,
18:04who lasted until the fifth round of an historically bad running back class.
18:08So just so little in-house competition for work. Kenneth Walker's my RB5, number nine overall player.
18:14I love him as a bet this year to win NFL Offensive Player of the Year 40-1.
18:20Yeah, so Leone's argument is effectively just a skill argument.
18:23He's not good enough, dynamic enough to be worthy of going at nine overall.
18:28That rings a little bit hollow to me. I think the Seahawks coddled him too much, and he knew it.
18:34And that's the reason that he wanted to leave.
18:37Silva did leave out an important part of the argument, though, for Kenneth Walker.
18:42That is one of my bigger arguments for Kenneth Walker.
18:45Every defense plays Mahomes the same way. How deep can we get the safeties?
18:50How deep can we get the defense? We have to defend against the pass.
18:55If they try to do that this year to Mahomes, I mean, Kenneth Walker is going to go absolutely berserk.
19:02The Chiefs have not had a running back like Walker to do that in a long time.
19:07So I'm still going to give this one to Silva.
19:11I'm biased there because Walker is also one of my favorite picks here this year at the back end of the first round.
19:18Yeah, I would like to see it addressed why Kenneth Walker is that much better pick than Saquon, Henry, James Cook.
19:25Guys that we have more confidence that have done it before, that you're leapfrogging Walker, who's never done it before in this capacity.
19:33Yeah, for me, Silva can answer also. For me, Saquon Barkley is 29 and Derrick Henry is 30.
19:39I was going to say, he's a lot younger than those guys.
19:43Yeah, I mean, and like there was a decline in Saquon's yards per carry last year, which I think you can attribute
19:51to Petulo and some bad offensive line play and injuries and stuff.
19:55But there's also some chance he's just 29 years old running back, you know, so.
20:00James Cook's not old. That's true. Yeah. Buffalo Homer checking in.
20:03All right. We might be able to hear some appeals this season.
20:07So save your motions for appeals for later. All right.
20:11Let's go to next up is T Higgins. Silva's going to be first here on T Higgins.
20:17Silva is at 25 overall. His wide receiver 11 in the top 150.
20:21ETR ranks 40th overall on T Higgins. The wide receiver 19.
20:25So an eight wide receiver gap here. In between the two ranking sets on T Higgins.
20:30Silva is first this time. Go ahead on T.
20:33So in season long fantasy drafts, I really like to prioritize players that I consider to be high floor and high ceiling.
20:40And that is T Higgins in a nutshell. He's been a top 20 fantasy receiver in four of the last five years.
20:48He's a touchdown scorer in a high scoring offense.
20:51He's right in his prime at age 27. The Bengals have basically refused to add any kind of target competition at third
20:58receiver or tight end behind Jamar Chase and T Higgins.
21:02So this is like a very narrow target tree.
21:05And there have been time periods over the past couple years where T Higgins has out targeted Jamar Chase straight up when both have been healthy.
21:13And obviously if Jamar Chase were to miss any time, just the upside is massive for T Higgins.
21:19So that's your classic definition of a high floor, high ceiling player.
21:23I also really like how optimistic Thorne is about the Bengals offensive line.
21:28They're right in the middle of the pack and they have depth this year.
21:33I mean, that's a huge step up from where the Bengals have been from an offensive line standpoint in recent years.
21:40I think that Joe Burrow is on a mission this year.
21:43I know that Adam Levitan has the Bengals as his Super Bowl pick.
21:48And that is not happening without a huge season from T Higgins.
21:52And I'm on board with all that. All right.
21:5525 overall on T. Leoni, your reply. Yeah, I think it's a little disingenuous to call T Higgins a high floor pick at 25 overall.
22:03This is a guy that has routinely missed several games here and there.
22:08He's been active for games that he has disappeared from and barely played.
22:12So there's some risk on that standpoint. Also, was really touchdown dependent last year.
22:17Obviously, Burrow missed some time and that plays into it.
22:20But he had basically an outlier year in touchdowns per target.
22:24It was at 11.2% for his career, even including that season at 7.4%.
22:28So we probably see a good amount of regression there.
22:31Meanwhile, the targets per out run really came down.
22:34We're kind of far removed from those games where he was out targeting Chase when they played together.
22:40Chase has led the entire NFL in total targets the past two seasons.
22:45Higgins last year, 19.8% target per out run. That's like Brian Thomas Jr.
22:49and Marvin Harrison Jr. Rashid Shahid, Jordan Addison range.
22:52If you look at just the games he played with Burrow, it is better at 22%.
22:58But that's like Romeo Dobbs, Michael Pittman, Cortland Sutton last year.
23:01That type of range. Now, they're not in offenses that are as explosive as Cincinnati.
23:06You do have to give T the contingent upside if something were to happen to Chase.
23:12But you're really paying a hefty premium for it where Evan has him ranked.
23:16Yeah. And I think Leonie's last point is the best point.
23:20This is very expensive to find out on T.
23:23Higgins when there are a lot of wide receivers that go in this range that Silva, I think, likes but has behind T.
23:31Higgins. Guys like Devonta Smith, Ladd McConkie, A.J. Brown, Egbuka, Mike Evans, Zay Flowers.
23:36I mean, there are a lot of wide receivers in this range.
23:40I'm not sure that T. Higgins clears those guys enough.
23:43And the opportunity cost, as Leonie said, is really high here on T.
23:47Higgins. And so I will go ahead and give this one to Mr.
23:52Leonie. Next up, Brock Bowers. Silva's at 13 overall on Brock Bowers.
23:56ETR ranks down at 21 overall. Both have as the clear tight end one.
24:00But again, at the top of the draft here, I know people are always hyper-focused on this.
24:06Leonie, you're first on Brock Bowers at 21 overall here versus Silva's 13.
24:11Yeah, I'll start with the health stuff. I know reports out of camp are strong right now.
24:16But Bowers dealt with this PCL injury last year.
24:19But a wise man told me nearly 10 minutes ago that PCL injuries hold guys back for multiple years.
24:26And this is year two for Brock Bowers. And he's also, I mean, he's averaged about 15 fantasy points per game in half PPR.
24:34If you're taking him at the 1-2 turn, you need him to absolutely smash clear-cut tight end one by a margin.
24:41I mean, in 2020, Travis Kelsey wasn't going this early, coming off nearly 20 points per game in back-to-back overall tight end one finishes.
24:49So we're just paying an extremely high price tag for something that we hope happens.
24:54I think he's an extremely talented player. I think he's really good, but not at the 1-2 turn.
25:00You also throw in some concerns with an aging Kirk Cousins at quarterback.
25:04They likely go to a rookie quarterback in Mendoza.
25:07He went one overall. I'd be really surprised if he didn't take over at some point.
25:13And if you look at the longer-term trend on rookie quarterbacks, it's not great for pass catchers.
25:19I know a couple years ago, J.J. Zachariasen did some research.
25:22And this was looking at wide receivers, but it had them three times more likely to put up a 15-plus PPR point
25:30per game season if they had a veteran quarterback as opposed to a rookie quarterback.
25:35Some of that applies to Bowers, where we're basically expecting elite wide receiver production out of him if we're taking him at the 1-2 turn.
25:43All right. Silva, your reply on Mr. Bowers. So my bet on Brock Bowers is that he's a truly generational talent, and
25:50I could go through like 10 different bullet points illustrating why that is.
25:55He's the only tight end in college football history to win the Mackey Award twice, and he won the Mackey Award both times as an underclassman.
26:04As a rookie in 2024, Brock Bowers was third in the NFL in catches with 112.
26:09That's the most in the league history for any rookie, regardless of position.
26:13He did suffer that PCL injury last week one.
26:16So I guess you could sort of hold that against him a little bit, although there have been no indications that that's
26:24going to carry over into this year. He missed five games.
26:27He came back. He still finished, despite the PCL injury.
26:31Brock Bowers finished as a top four tight end last year in fantasy points per game.
26:36He's healthy now. The Raiders offense is run by Clint Kubiak, who last year oversaw an offense in Seattle that featured Jackson
26:44Smith and Jigba as just a massive target share player, and I think that that's how Brock Bowers is going to be this year.
26:52You know, there were not big-time alternative pass catchers in Seattle, and there are not big-time alternative pass catchers this year in Las Vegas.
27:00And so I think that the offenses are sort of similar, and actually that Clint Kubiak is going to build this passing
27:07game around Brock Bowers just like he did with JSN.
27:10And I think that Brock Bowers can do very similar to what JSN did last year in terms of competing for offensive player of the year.
27:19Man, this is a tough one. Allow me to ask a question to Leonie from the judges' bench.
27:25Neither of you really addressed the idea of positional scarcity and how much Brock Bowers could beat the rest of the tight ends by.
27:33Do you have any thoughts on that for season long?
27:37I know we've talked about it in DFS and in best ball, but for season-long setups, Leonie, do you have any thoughts
27:44on just the tight end, having a huge hit at tight end, how much more that helps you than having a huge
27:51hit at running back or wide receiver? Yeah, I mean, it depends on your league settings, but quite often you're starting three or four wide receivers.
28:00So the scarcity funnels down at the wide receiver position.
28:04If you can take Justin Jefferson at the 1-2 turn, you're starting to compare, and versus Brock Bowers, you might be getting
28:11smoked at tight end, but your wide receiver one is crushing their wide receiver three.
28:16So I do think sometimes it's overvalued a little bit in leagues where the total league size is shorter.
28:22I do like the elite onesies a bit more, where you're going to get studs at running back wide receiver throughout, no matter what.
28:31So like lock in the best player in elite onesie.
28:34But for a standard 12-team league, I do think you need Bowers to really run away with the position.
28:40And we're talking like something that he hasn't done or shown yet.
28:44And that's a lot of projection. Like I said, and that's part of the reason why I made the comparison too.
28:51Evan has Bowers ranked where Pete Travis Kelsey was going when we had a much bigger historical data set on Travis Kelsey being that elite tight end one.
29:01Brock Bowers is better than Travis Kelsey ever was.
29:04It's a very high risk proposition before we actually see it.
29:07Evan came in, if you guys didn't catch that, with the Brock Bowers is better than Kelsey ever was take.
29:14He also had Patrick Mahomes and Brock Bowers doesn't.
29:17But yeah, this is really good. I thought you both made really, really strong arguments.
29:22Oh God. I'll say this. I agree with the rank more on...
29:26I thought you made really even arguments. I agreed to rank more on ETR.
29:31So I will give that one to Leon. All right.
29:34Next up, Kyron Williams. Silva's going to go first here.
29:38Silva is down on Kyron Williams, 45 overall. ETR is up at 25 overall on Kyron Williams.
29:43Silva, go ahead on the Kyron fade. So I think that the arrow is pointing up on Blake Corum.
29:50And I think that we can see very close to a 50-50 split this year between Kyron Williams and Blake Corum.
29:57Blake Corum averaged over five yards per carry last season.
30:00He averaged over 10 touches per game in the Rams' three playoff games.
30:05He's just a more explosive option than Kyron Williams is.
30:08You know, you listen to modern offensive coaches talk.
30:11They are obsessed with explosives. Blake Corum generated an explosive play that's a 10-yard or more carry or a 20-plus yard reception
30:18on 15% of his touches last season. Kyron Williams' explosive play rate was 9%.
30:23The Rams need explosiveness on offense. Devontae Adams is not a vertical threat anymore.
30:28The Rams really don't have a third receiver. We may say there's been some talk of us seeing Terrence Ferguson more a little bit this year.
30:37That's because he is explosive. Blake Corum is explosive.
30:40Kyron Williams is not explosive. And the Rams need explosiveness.
30:43And I think that that's where we're going to see more of Blake Corum this year.
30:48And he's going to really hurt Kyron Williams. Some spreadsheet socialist stats there from Silva, perhaps bridging the gap between the two sides.
30:56Leone, a retort on Kyron. Yeah. On the surface, I agree it feels a little nervous to have Kyron this much higher than Silva.
31:04And I 100% agree on the explosiveness point. Blake Corum is the more explosive back.
31:09But when we look at the whole picture, it's the coaching staff that has shown time and time again how much they trust Kyron Williams.
31:18He's the better success rate rusher. He's better goal line rusher.
31:21He's better at absorbing contact. His yards after contact is higher than Blake Corum.
31:26And if you look at the yards per route run, 1.01 for Kyron Williams.
31:31Not that special, but Blake Corum is at 0.57.
31:34Kyron Williams is the guy that they want back there.
31:37So that's why you're not going to see a true 50-50 timeshare.
31:41They're trusting Kyron Williams, who, let me point out, 4.8 yards per carry, 4.6 for his career.
31:47So no, he's not going to give you as many breakaway runs as Blake Corum.
31:52But he's a highly efficient, highly dependable back on a team here that is projected to be the highest scoring in the
31:59league, which is really good for him to continue to churn out double-digit touchdown seasons like he has the last three seasons.
32:07One of the most important parts of playing half PPR, fantasy football.
32:11And a final point, we quite often look at contingent value as like, oh, this backup could really smash if the starter gets hurt.
32:19But it works both ways. If Blake Corum gets hurt, we're getting a full workload 1-2 turn Kyron Williams.
32:25And that's a really, you know, talk about Tee Higgins being high floor, high ceiling.
32:30I actually think that's more what you're getting with Kyron Williams at the same spot in the draft.
32:36Good argument. I'm going to give this one to Silva for two reasons.
32:41First, he cited spreadsheets. I was impressed with the explosive run rate stats.
32:45That was an important part of the argument. And second, Leone kind of hand-waved the Blake Corum user stuff.
32:51Well, it's not going to be 50-50 this year.
32:54I literally told you why. He's better in the pass game and he's better in a goal line split.
33:01And they've shown time and time again in the playoffs that they trust him more.
33:06It's called willful ignorance is what it is. I mean, maybe I could be wrong on it, but I definitely didn't hand-wave it.
33:14But I directly addressed it. That's fair. At some point, it's going to be a decline in Kyron's role.
33:20I don't know if it's going to be this year, next year, 2030, whatever.
33:25At some point, there's going to be a decline in role.
33:28And I think Silva made some arguments that this year could be the year where we do see a slight decline in role.
33:36The Rams have shown that they want more explosiveness in the backfield and that they're willing to let other backs cut.
33:43I mean, they did it last year with Blake Corum, especially in the playoffs.
33:48I mean, Blake Corum's like the only back they've done this with.
33:52I don't know what these other backs are that you're referencing.
33:56They want to use multiple backs. That's largely untrue.
33:59And also, Kyron Williams is 26. This isn't like a guy who's fallen off the age cliff.
34:04He's in the prime of his career. You can submit your appeals, Leonie.
34:09You can submit your appeals. You have some good arguments on appeals.
34:13Hold those thoughts. We might have an actual federal judge hear your appeals.
34:17So everybody calm down. Okay. Let's go to next on the list.
34:21Another guy up board here. AJ Brown. Silva is down at 30 overall.
34:26The wide receiver 14. ETR ranks on AJ Brown 20th overall.
34:29The wide receiver 8. It is Leonie's turn to go first here on AJ Brown.
34:34Yeah, he's one of the most efficient wide receivers in all of the NFL.
34:39And on top of that efficiency, he commands elite volume.
34:4228% and 27% targets per outrun the last couple of seasons.
34:46Yes, sometimes that stuff can be higher in offenses that throw a little bit less volume and can be more condensed.
34:53But he has competed with some legitimate target share earners in Devontae Smith and Dallas Goddard.
34:59Now he goes to New England where there's no one to get in his way in terms of elite volume.
35:05He's paired with an ascending quarterback who almost won the MVP last season.
35:10Certainly an upgrade throwing the football from Jalen Hurts.
35:13Really, really huge ceiling here for AJ Brown. And the floor is incredible too when you just consider the volume that he has to command.
35:21So this could be a turbo smash. But like worst case, you're probably breaking even here.
35:26Okay. Silva, go ahead on AJ Brown. I think it's funny that Leone said that there's no one to compete with in
35:34New England after he spent the last several years pushing the Romeo Dobbs agenda all over everybody.
35:40And the Patriots went out and signed him to a four-year, $68 million deal.
35:44But hey, let's just ignore that. So AJ Brown, I have him as a top 30 overall fantasy player.
35:51And I feel like that's pretty high considering that he's 29 years old.
35:55He's a wide receiver changing teams. He's coming off career lows, career lows in yards per target, yards per reception and success rate.
36:03The Rams looked into trading for AJ Brown this offseason, but they backed out reportedly due to concerns that Brown has a degenerative knee.
36:11Okay. He missed time with a hamstring injury in each of the last two seasons.
36:16If you read Matt Harmon's reception perception right up on AJ Brown, Matt Harmon paints the picture of a pretty clearly declining
36:23player in the descent phase of his career. So look, I have AJ Brown as a top 30 overall player, wide receiver 14.
36:31I think that's aggressive considering how many red flags he has.
36:35This decline in yards per target essentially was T.
36:38Higgins' career average in yards per target who you have ranked in front of him.
36:43But pretty sure we're talking about AJ Brown here.
36:46Also, the fact that you made Romeo Dobbs your main target competition point, I feel like you won it for me.
36:53So thank you. I appreciate that. Okay. Don't make me mute the mics here, guys.
36:58Don't make me mute the mics. Gosh. Gosh. Too really good.
37:02You guys are getting like too good at this and like too prepared for these because both of you have very, very good arguments here.
37:10I think it's a really close argument again. And so I'm going to use the same tiebreaker I used with the Bowers one.
37:18And I agree more with the ETR rank here at 20 overall for AJ Brown.
37:23I'll go with Leone. But man, Silva made a very good argument there against AJ Brown where he's going.
37:29Let's go to Mike Evans. Silva is at 34 overall.
37:33Wide receiver 18 for him. ETR ranks 52 overall.
37:36Wide receiver 26 on Mike Evans. Silva, you are up first here on Mr.
37:40Mike Evans. So Mike Evans has a chance to be an absolute volume monster in San Francisco.
37:46This year, Ricky Pearsall already out for the year.
37:49George Kittle tours Achilles in January. He turns 33 in October.
37:53Christian McCaffrey is 30, coming off career highs in carries and touches.
37:57The 49ers are so desperate that right at the beginning of training camp, they had to bring back Debo Samuel purely out of desperation.
38:05I understand Mike Evans is 33. He has a seeming, you know, increasing propensity to soft tissue injuries.
38:11But he is Kyle Shanahan's new ex-receiver with high-quality quarterback play from Brock Purdy in an otherwise extremely fragile 49er skill position group.
38:19We can get a first ballot Hall of Famer, and he's going to be wearing the gold jacket five years after he retires.
38:26I can assure you of that. Mike Evans will.
38:29In a really good fantasy environment at like a fifth to sixth round cost, I think that he should be going at
38:37the third or fourth round turn in every draft.
38:40I'm really excited about Mike Evans' floor and ceiling this year.
38:43All right. Mike Evans, Leonie, go ahead. Yeah, I mean, the Mike Evans, A.J.
38:48Brown positions are completely incongruous to me. Evans got these guys ranked essentially the same, 30th and 34th.
38:54He's worried about A.J. Brown's fall off at age, you know, entering his age 29 season.
39:00Mike Evans is entering his age 33 season, missed more games last year than he did his entire career with a hamstring injury.
39:07And while he played was atrocious from an efficiency standpoint.
39:11Talk about an efficiency drop off 5.9 yards per target.
39:14The yards per target Silva was worried about for A.J.
39:17Brown was 8.3. And if we look at historically, age 33 wide receivers since 2010 who have averaged even double digit PPR
39:25points per game, who have played at least half the season, there's 10 of them.
39:3010 of them all time. So, yes, the environment's amazing, which is the only reason why we have him as like an
39:37OK value in our rankings in round five. But round three is really asking for trouble.
39:43Yeah, I thought Leonie brought it there. I'm going to give that one to Leonie.
39:48One thing that Leonie didn't bring up in the argument against Mike Evans, too, to me, is this whole systemic team is so old and so fragile.
39:57Like it could just go bad systemically for the 49ers.
40:00I don't normally say that about Kyle Shanahan teams.
40:03But gosh, I mean, they're really fragile to a lot of these guys getting hurt and not that deep.
40:10So, yeah. All right. Keep it moving here to Luther Burden, one of the most talked about players of this offseason.
40:17Silva is at 35 overall, the wide receiver 19.
40:20Leonie is at 48 overall, the wide receiver 24.
40:23I want to note here that neither of us have really moved much on Luther Burden based off of this latest groin injury that he has.
40:31Silva and I talked about that yesterday. Hopefully you guys caught the news in ranking change show.
40:37I was personally a little more worried about it than Silva was.
40:41But for the sake of this argument, we're going to assume that Luther Burden will be playing week one for the Chicago Bears.
40:49So, Leonie, go ahead on Luther Burden. Yeah, not concerned about the groin injury.
40:54And I want to be in on Luther Burden.
40:57It's very efficient from a pertarget standpoint as a rookie.
41:00Very strong analytical profile as a prospect. This is an offense where we're all excited about Ben Johnson, Caleb Williams in year two.
41:08But there were some efficiency concerns from Caleb year one.
41:11And in terms of Burden, I think people are eyeing up that efficiency and seeing DJ Moore gone and just thinking that,
41:18oh, it's Luther Burden to the moon. But there are some reasons to be at least somewhat skeptical here.
41:25When he shared the field with Roma Dunze, Roma's targets per route run 21.1%, Luther Burden 16.3%.
41:31I was kind of shocked to see that. That's if you guaranteed both of them were on the field.
41:37So there's no bias in terms of Roma running more routes or anything.
41:41When Roma was off the field, he had a 35% target per route run.
41:46And also, if you further filter that to the 77 routes where it was Rome, Loveland, and Burden on the field, just
41:53an 11.7% target per route run for Burden. So those are the stats that just give me a little bit of pause
42:01that maybe we're getting out over our skis a little bit on a young, exciting player that we want to be really
42:08good but only earned 60 targets last season. And we've still got two other really strong young players there in Roma Dunze and Colston Loveland.
42:17And I know Rome's been painted with kind of this brushstroke that he's really disappointed in and he has been to an extent.
42:24But I think that makes it easy for people to make a narrative-based argument to push away from him and in favor
42:32of Burden that's maybe divorced a little bit from the probabilities of how this season plays out.
42:38Yeah. If you listen to the Harmon show, the tape bros certainly like Roma Dunze still as well, certainly more than I do personally.
42:46But anyway, Silva, go ahead on being higher than ETR ranks on Luther Burden.
42:50Yeah, I feel bad for you, Leonie, because you're going to be late to the dance on an absolute monster breakout for Luther Burden.
42:58Hey, where are you going to mark it? Luther Burden was third in the NFL, not just among rookies, third in the
43:06NFL in yards per route run as a rookie.
43:09A really good yards per route run number for a rookie is like 1.8.
43:13Two is like historically great. He was at 2.7.
43:17Luther Burden is freaking awesome. Year two of the Ben Johnson system.
43:21Look at the Bears defense. So last year they were able to survive on having the best turnover differential in the NFL.
43:28That is a statistic that is obviously bound for regression.
43:31Brandon Thorne has the Bears pass rush as a bottom two unit in the league, and they just lost Kobe Bryant, their
43:39highest priced free Asian acquisition, essentially like for the season.
43:42I mean, they're hoping that they can get him back for the playoffs.
43:46And then they drafted Dylan Thienemann in the first round, but they're going to have a rookie safety and some geek off
43:54the street at the other safety behind a bottom two pass rush.
43:58So the Bears are going to score a ton of points this year, and Luther Burden is going to be the Bears' number one receiver.
44:06He's going to go absolutely ballistic. Yeah. So this is one of those arguments where it's, to me, it's like the IQ
44:14meme thing where it's like there's so many arguments you can make about being against Luther Burden or anti or the hype's gone too far.
44:22Dude is just going to print. You know what I mean?
44:26Like you just have to like sit there and watch.
44:29He's going to print. And Silva didn't even bring up what I thought was, normally I ignore all this like coach speak nonsense.
44:37They are going out of their way to be like Ben Johnson, like buy Luther Burden stock.
44:43Luther Burden is going to be like Amon Ra and freaking Jerry Rice.
44:47Like he cannot stop raving over this guy. So I think this is a harder argument to make from a data perspective,
44:54even though we are higher than market on Luther Burden in the ETR ranks.
44:59Like it's just a printing press. And so I'm going to go with that one.
45:04Silva there for the Luther Burden. Let's go to Trey McBride.
45:08Silva is at 39 overall on Trey McBride, the tight end three.
45:12ETR ranks 28 overall on Trey McBride, the tight end two.
45:16So again, Silva does have Colston Loveland ahead of Trey McBride here.
45:20Silva, you are first on the McBride fade. So the Cardinals last year attempted 649 passes.
45:25That was the most in the league. The Cardinals also allowed the fifth most sacks in the NFL.
45:31So that's over 700 dropbacks that the Cardinals had last year from their quarterbacks.
45:36Trey McBride wound up running 699 pass routes. That was almost two games more than the next closest tight end.
45:42The Cardinals go out. They use the number three overall pick on Jeremiah Love.
45:47They signed Tyler Algier for over $6 million a year.
45:51They brought back James Conner on a restructured deal.
45:54There's no way that this team wants to have their quarterbacks drop back to pass 700 times again.
46:00They are bringing back 33-year-old journeyman Jacoby Brissett at quarterback.
46:03They drafted Carson Beck in the third round. I mean, they do not want to have that many dropbacks again.
46:10I don't even think they'll come within 100 of how many they had last year.
46:15And I think they're really going to struggle to score points.
46:18They're just not a talented team. That means touchdown regression for McBride.
46:22Trey McBride really took a big step last year, obviously because of the inflated number of just pure routes that he ran.
46:30But also because he suddenly started scoring touchdowns. He scored 11 touchdowns last year.
46:35I don't think that the Cardinals are going to score many touchdowns.
46:39I don't think they're going to run that many plays.
46:42I don't think they're going to pass nearly as often as they did last season.
46:47That's going to mean a lot of regression for Trey McBride.
46:51By the way, Silva, we didn't get to talk about Carson Beck's debut.
46:55Did you see Carson Beck's debut? And did that give you any more optimism if he gets under center?
47:01I thought he made a lot of easy throws to open receivers in the Hall of Fame game.
47:08Okay. Leody, your reply on Trey McBride here. So I will agree with Silva that I think there is a certain amount of regression coming here.
47:16But this is kind of what's hard when you're doing ranks based off of feel and doing the ranks with projections is
47:24we're building in a ton of that regression. We're building in that Vegas team total for Arizona being quite low.
47:30We have him with about a 30, more than 30 less targets than he had last season.
47:36And he still spits out comfortably. And if you want a comparison point, Silva's dogging, Kyler Murray, the tight end three and
47:44half PPR per game, despite only scoring two touchdowns in 2024, was Trey McBride.
47:48So we've kind of seen the floor and the ceiling for him the last two years.
47:54The only player in all of football who has more targets than Trey McBride the last two seasons is Jamar Chase.
48:01You know, Trey McBride narrowly out-targeting Amon Ross St.
48:04Brown over that span. So we are talking about a truly unique elite target earning tight end in multiple environments.
48:10One where they kind of got crazy with Jacoby Brissett, but even with Kyler Murray in a more standard offense.
48:17And for you to drop him as though as you've dropped him is really kind of flooding this offensive environment.
48:24And you're not applying that same logic to Brock Bowers and the Raiders, who have a team total that's pretty similarly low and also have quarterback concerns.
48:33So I'd much rather have Trey McBride, where we have him ranked, than Brock Bowers, where you have him ranked.
48:40A follow-up, Leonie. You know, talk about the target earning.
48:43Previous iterations of his Cardinals team have not had Marvin Harrison healthy, Michael Wilson broken out, and Jeremiah Love, the three overall pick, commanding touches.
48:51Do you have any concern about Trey McBride's been earning targets against like total dust balls for the last couple years?
48:58Yeah, I think that you can't just earn targets unless you have a certain level of talent, regardless of the people around you.
49:06We've seen other players thrust into positive environments. They don't sustain an elite level of target earning over two consecutive seasons quite like that.
49:14And if you look at any of the target per outrun stuff, like the on-off splits for Trey McBride, even if you
49:22look at the numbers with Michael Wilson on the field, for example, it's still really strong for Trey McBride.
49:28If you lock Michael Wilson on the field, Trey McBride's still leader in target per outrun.
49:33Marvin Harrison, lock him on the field, target per outrun.
49:37So I don't really see where this competition from targets is coming from that's going to meaningfully drop his target share.
49:44This is a guy in the prime of his career.
49:47Yeah. I'm going to give this one to Silva because I know we're regressing the Trey McBride, the dropbacks and the pass
49:55attempt stuff as hard as we possibly can. There are some outcomes where it just regresses so, so, so massively.
50:01So yeah, but I do think that Leonie also made a really good argument about the Bowers versus McBride thing with Silva,
50:09you know, kind of similar-ish spots there. I think Silva's counter would probably just be Bowers is an infinitely better player.
50:16Yeah, I mean, if we want to just say things that we hope are true, like I'm going to continue to lose
50:23every single one like I have been. So I don't even know.
50:27Actually, the score is right now. I think they're going to be just going to be amazing.
50:33There would be a consensus. And Brock Bowers is going to be amazing.
50:37Silva wins. There would be a consensus among people inside the NFL that Brock Bowers is light years better than Trey McBride.
50:45Leonie, you cannot say that you're losing all of these.
50:48The current score, producer Ryan has just put in my earpiece here.
50:52Silva 6, Leonie 5. Yeah, always the victim, Leonie.
50:55So, yes. All right, let's keep it moving here to Cam Scadaboo.
50:59Silva is at 63 overall. His running back 27.
51:02ETR ranks 43 overall. The running back 20. Leonie, go ahead on Mr.
51:07Scadaboo. Yeah, I like the workhorse potential here at this point in the draft.
51:11Just no competition for goal line carries between him and Tyrone Tracy.
51:15Devin Singletary's aging out. If you look at target share as well in the games that Scadaboo played last year and kind of earned that number one role.
51:25He was well into the double digits. You don't kind of get these profiles of like a year or two back with
51:32demonstrated workhorse ability at this price very often. The combination of leading his team in base carry share, having a double digit
51:40target share, and having a wrap on the goal line share is really, really bullish for Cam Scadaboo.
51:46And I know coming into the year, I kind of expected to be down on Scadaboo, but the way the coaching staff
51:53has talked about him and the moves that they made this offseason or lack thereof at the running back position have really
52:00solidified in my mind that they view him as the very clear one running back here.
52:06Silva, go ahead. Yeah, I actually ticked Cam Scadaboo down my rankings a little bit yesterday because Dan Dugan, who was an
52:13awesome, awesome beat writer for the Giants, wrote about Cam Scadaboo.
52:17Not having a decisive edge over Tyrone Tracy for the Giants' number one running back job.
52:22So I don't think that that's true, that the Giants view Cam Scadaboo as their clear number one at all.
52:29And I don't think that should surprise anyone either because Cam Scadaboo was coming off a dislocated ankle, a fractured fibula, a
52:36torn deltoid ligament in week eight last season. He was already a 4-6-5 guy in terms of speed.
52:42And Tyrone Tracy is a more than functional back, and so is Devin Singletary.
52:47And I don't trust Matt Nagy to run a functional offense at all.
52:52And I think the Jackson Dart is still a major wild card who could totally flame out under a new, potentially bad offensive coaching staff.
53:00And that's, you know, so I just, I wouldn't know who, also this coaching staff had no hand in drafting Cam Scadaboo.
53:07So I would just rather not bet on running backs coming off of debilitating compound leg injuries in a potentially bottom 10, maybe even bottom five offense.
53:16Hmm. It's an interesting one because I actually agree more with the ETR rank just because I think the high value touches,
53:24the catches, and the goal line is so valuable.
53:27And Cam Scadaboo, I do think, will get that.
53:30But I did think Silva made the better argument with Matt Nagy coming off of the injury and the stuff that we've seen from Dan Dugan.
53:39And I actually have reached out to some Giants people to try to see if they also agree with what Dugan was saying there.
53:47We'll see if I can get an answer there.
53:50But yeah, Scadaboo is such a really, really, really tough one for sure.
53:54Let's go to J.K. Dobbins. Silva is going to be first here.
53:58Silva is at 62 overall on J.K. Dobbins. He's ETR down at 90 overall on Dobbins.
54:03Silva, go ahead. So one thing that we should all be able to agree on here is that J.K.
54:10Dobbins is really good at football. He's averaged 5.2 yards per carry in his career.
54:15He averaged 5.1 with the Broncos last year. That's despite playing with all kinds of injuries.
54:20He can pass block. Coaches love him. The Broncos have the best offensive line in the league.
54:26They bring back a top five, top three defense.
54:29They should dominate field position in a very running back friendly environment.
54:33And J.K. Dobbins is their clear cut lead back.
54:36I think that R.J. Harvey is pretty clearly a niche back, a change up type.
54:41J.K. Dobbins, look, everyone knows he's gotten hurt basically every year of his NFL career.
54:46So I do understand the bull case against him.
54:49But that injury risk keeps him very, very affordable in drafts.
54:53If we can get 13, 14 games from J.K.
54:56Dobbins this year, he played 13 games in a much worse environment with the Chargers in 2024, and he was the overall fantasy RB21.
55:04I think he smashes his RB30 ADP in a much better situation.
55:08All right. Well said. Leonie, go ahead. Yeah, this is your classic small hit, big miss player.
55:14It's really surprising to hear how Silva has these running backs between Scadaboo, Dobbins, ranked Bucky Irvin, who we talked about earlier.
55:21If Silva's worried about high value touches, trap concerns, that's J.K.
55:25Dobbins, right? I agree. He's a very strong rushing talent.
55:28The efficiency is going to be here behind this offensive line.
55:32But you've got year two R.J. Harvey, who maybe could improve and cut in the role a little bit more at the
55:39very least, is a dynamic target in the passing game.
55:43You've got a rookie in Jonah Coleman. So it's possible these guys cut into Dobbins' workload more than we think.
55:49But even if they don't, there's concerns with the goal line role for Dobbins.
55:54There's concern for the target share. And that lack of high value touches is really concerning.
55:59And Silva's talking about the Giants being a bottom 10 offense in the league.
56:04And those are issues with Cam Scadaboo. If you look at the Vegas team totals for these teams, they're pretty much identical.
56:12The Bucks for Bucky Irving is a full point higher than what you have for the Denver Broncos.
56:18So maybe Silva's right there, but the market certainly doesn't have it that way.
56:22Yeah. I do want to make a point that I think J.K.
56:26Dobbins is better in redraft. In other words, if you're convinced that he's a lock to get hurt, that's going to hurt
56:34you in best ball way more than it will in redraft.
56:37And we've seen some ADP, I think, bleed over.
56:40In other words, to Silva's point, J.K. Dobbins would be going earlier.
56:45The best ball brain, I think, has made his ADP a little bit lower.
56:49I think he's better in best ball than redraft, just because I don't think you're getting a big hit out of J.K.
56:57Dobbins. Those are the guys you want in redraft that you can get this big hit.
57:02I think you might get this consistent, really strong rushing production that gets you a low double-digit points per game, but you're
57:09never going to win in a really big way with the way the role is carved out.
57:15Yeah. Well, I was going to give that argument to Leone anyways there on his argument, which I think is just sounding like, yeah.
57:23I mean, also on Silva's rank here, I can't get on J.K.
57:27Dobbins at 62. Overall, I know I'm supposed to be grading on argument, but I'm going to give that one to Leone.
57:35All right. We have four guys left. The score is Silva 7, Leone 6.
57:39Quentin Johnston next up. Silva 72 overall. ETR 85 overall here on Quentin Johnston.
57:44I believe it is Silva's turn to go first.
57:47So the bet for me here is that Quentin Johnston can keep the Chargers' number two receiver job in an offense that's
57:54going to use a ton of multiple tight end personnel that has two wide receivers on the field the vast majority of
58:02time, and that will be Lad McConkie and Quentin Johnston.
58:05If you read Daniel Popper, who has covered the Chargers as well as any beat writer in the nation for the past
58:13several years, he thinks that Quentin Johnston is pretty locked in as the Chargers' number two receiver opposite McConkie.
58:19With Rayshon Slater and Joe Alt back and Mike McDaniel calling plays, the Chargers are going to score way more touchdowns this year.
58:27And over the last two seasons, Quentin Johnston actually leads the team in touchdowns with 16.
58:32Quentin Johnston at times in his career has been improperly utilized as a boundary X receiver.
58:38And Mike McDaniel's emphasis on feeding receivers on the move and prioritizing run after catch, I think best suits Quentin Johnston's skill set.
58:45He's 24 years old. Okay? He turns 25 in September.
58:49He has a first-round pedigree. He scores touchdowns in an offense that is going to score more touchdowns.
58:55So I have him as the wide receiver 35.
58:58That is wide receiver 3-4 territory. I mean, I think that he's got as much upside as any wide receiver 3-4 that you could get this year.
59:07All right. Leonie, go ahead. Yeah, I like Evan's point about the potential change in utilization under Mike McDaniel for Quentin Johnston,
59:14you know, just utilizing his skill sets better. I think that would be exciting as a route for him to hit more
59:22of a ceiling than maybe we have it. But what we're looking at is a player who, yes, has that first-round draft
59:29capital, but has largely been unimpressive through three seasons.
59:32I know his yards per target spiked last year, but on a similar 8-eye, he kind of just ran a little bit
59:39pure on some more big plays early in the season.
59:43Overall, the 8-out was the same. And his targets per outrun actually fell off quite a bit from 2024 to 2025.
59:50If you look at kind of his profile, it looks kind of like a former Charger, Josh Palmer, except on more routes.
59:57And I'm really concerned he was kind of a route merchant last year, and that could scale back this year.
60:04Evan mentioned the utilization of a lot of two wide receiver sets as they play multiple tight ends, and we agree that happens.
60:12And that does concern me, though, if maybe it's not day one, but over the course of the season, Trey Harris in
60:19his sophomore season can emerge and take some of that role away from Quentin Johnston.
60:24If you listen to the Establish the Edge podcast that Ben Gretsch did with our own Mark and Jack, he kind of
60:31hinted at how highly regarded of a run blocker Trey Harris is, and that's something that's going to get him into a
60:39Mike McDaniel offense, could get him into two wide receiver sets.
60:43And outside of that, too, I do think that there was kind of this weird target share concentration at points last year
60:50that might not be here this season, with Ladd being the clear one in the game, these multiple tight end sets, maybe
60:57some more targets to the running back position than we've seen previously out of this Chargers offense.
61:03So, you know, you put that all together, kind of like a somewhat disappointing player, a little bit of a potential role
61:11challenge, and I'm just not into it at where Silva has him ranked.
61:15Yeah, I'm going to give that one to Leonie on two points.
61:19Number one, it's very crowded in Los Angeles for the Chargers, and number two, I'm not sure Quentin Johnston is good.
61:26In fact, I think he's probably not. So, you know, it's kind of a tough sell for me, especially when I agree
61:33on the Trey Harris points there as well. All right, three to go.
61:38Let's go to Josh Downs. Leonie's going to be up first here.
61:42Silva is at 64 overall on Josh Downs. ETR ranks 82 overall on Josh Downs.
61:47Leonie, go ahead. Yeah, for starters, we're both pretty decently ahead of any sort of half PPR home league ADP that you're going to see on Josh Downs.
61:56You know, with Daniel Jones back, the offense was humming with him last year, and obviously we have Michael Pittman gone, and
62:04in general things have broken well with Downs. Even the re-signing of Alec Pierce isn't a bad thing.
62:10He's a field stretcher, kind of leads underneath targets.
62:13Four downs, he's going to get more routes. I think the concern for me with Silva's ranking is just kind of pricing Downs at his absolute ceiling.
62:22I know we're all expecting, you know, we've done this with players that like, okay, finally, this is the year they cracked the two wide receiver sets.
62:31And if you look at the competition on the surface, it seems like that should be the case.
62:37But we've seen with players like him, Jaden Reed in the past where it doesn't necessarily materialize.
62:43So even with Pittman gone, I don't know if we get as many more routes, maybe as we're anticipating.
62:49There's a dramatic size difference between what Michael Pittman offered and Josh Downs and, you know, still the potential for a Keenan Allen signing here or something.
62:58And while I do like the offense overall, Dimes is coming back from an Achilles injury, which is somewhat concerning.
63:05I know previously I've been too high on like Kirk Cousins coming back from Achilles injury.
63:10Now, Kirk's much older. Aaron Rodgers, when he came back, much older.
63:14So I'm not saying it's going to be bad for Dimes.
63:18I'm just saying there are a few things that add up to a little bit of risk where you can be ahead
63:25of market and be in on Josh Downs without pricing him at this absolute ceiling.
63:30Okay. Silva, go ahead. So Michael Pittman's gone. Alec Pierce is a one-trick pony who's been extremely slow to recover from this ankle operation.
63:38Those two players, Michael Pittman and Alec Pierce, combined for almost 200 targets last year.
63:43This is Josh Downs' contract year. And all signs point to him playing in the Colts' two receiver sets after he was
63:51sort of pigeonholed early in his career to a slot only in 11 personnel.
63:56Matt Harmon has compared Josh Downs to Tyler Lockett, who's a very similar player.
64:00I think it's worth remembering last year that, yeah, Daniel Jones is coming off of this torn Achilles, but last year, before
64:08he got hurt, the Colts led the NFL in offense.
64:11Shane Steichen is the man. And I think that Josh Downs is going to be the leading receiver for the Colts this year.
64:19And in that case... I did mention, too, I think Tyler Warren is really going to be the center of this offense.
64:26That's fair. I'm high on Tyler Warren as well.
64:29But I think Josh Downs is just as good a bet as Tyler Warren to lead the Colts in receiving.
64:36And if the Colts are even a shell of what they did offensively last year before Daniel Jones went down, Josh Downs is going to smash.
64:45Yeah, so Silva didn't really address that Josh Downs is 5'9", 171.
64:49The only thing that Silva did not address in his argument was the likelihood that the Colts add someone.
64:55I think it would be irresponsible for the Colts to go into this season without adding another wide receiver, whether that's Keenan Allen or someone else.
65:04So I'm going to give this one... We did talk about that on our Tuesday show.
65:09The possibility that the Colts really should go after a field stretcher to give them insurance on Alec Pierce, not a player
65:17that should take away work in the middle of the field from Josh Downs and Tyler Warren.
65:22Agreed. And we'll see what they do. But yeah, I mean, I don't trust this Ballard guy at all to do the
65:30right thing or to tell the truth about much.
65:33So yeah. All right. Two left here. Juwan Johnson.
65:36Silva's at 113 overall. That's his tight end 12.
65:39ETR ranks at 147 on Juwan. The tight end 18.
65:42Silva go ahead on Juwan Johnson. For a tight end like this, like I'm just betting on his environment.
65:49I mean, and I think that this offense is going to flow very much through Jordan Tyson.
65:54Jordan Tyson, who I'm extremely high on, and Chris Olave, who I'm also extremely...
65:59I'm just high on all the Saints. Like, I'm betting on the offensive environment for Juwan Johnson.
66:05Obviously, he's a converted wide receiver. He's been excellent for the Colts the last two seasons.
66:10The Colts play indoors. They got a bad defense they got to account for.
66:15You know, it's just... This is a tight end in a great environment with very little threat to his role.
66:22And I think the Saints are going to score a ton of points.
66:26I know that the vast majority of ETR agrees with me on that.
66:30Leonie, go ahead. Yeah, I mean, awesome season for Juwan Johnson.
66:34They ended up with this kind of extreme concentration that I'm a little concerned doesn't carry over, at least to the tight
66:41end position, as we've got, you know, Chris Olave likely keeping that number one alpha target share and a rookie wide receiver
66:49in Jordan Tyson that we're all super excited about.
66:52We were excited about him before camp. We're excited about him hearing positive news out of camp.
66:58Even at the tight end position, clearly Juwan Johnson is going to be the top tight end, but you do have a
67:05little bit more depth to that room than you did last year with Noah Phan and the rookie Oscar Delp there.
67:12You've got Travis Etienne and Alvin Kamara maybe absorbing more targets from the running back position than we did before.
67:19And, you know, I really like Kellen Moore, but it is near to Tyler Shuck that, you know, defenses have more of a read on him.
67:27I'm somewhat concerned that he's just not at the quarterback position.
67:31So all of that kind of sums up to me rather making other tight end bets than really counting on this one breakout year from Juwan Johnson sticking.
67:41Noah Phan is like a clear backup in the NFL and Oscar Delp is a blocker.
67:46Right, but these guys are probably going to see the field more than the guys last year did behind Juwan.
67:53It's not that they're going to steal the role from him.
67:56You know, Evan, I'm going to give you a chance to make one more argument here that you didn't make on Juwan
68:04Johnson and it relates to the shower narrative. Would you like to add anything to your argument about Tyler Shuck and Juwan
68:11Johnson here possibly showering together at the University of Oregon?
68:15Oh, yeah. Back in 2013, Juwan Johnson and Tyler Shuck played at Oregon together.
68:19How old is Tyler Shuck? My God. That's all you have to say.
68:24Shower narrative. Silva gets that one. Okay, going to the final name here.
68:28It is Leonie 8, Silva 8. The final name is Patrick Mahomes.
68:32Silva at 118 overall. His QB 15. ETR ranks 91 overall.
68:36The QB 10. I believe it is Silva going first here on Patrick Mahomes.
68:40This is like shooting fish in a barrel, dude.
68:43I mean, like, Leonie, I'm just going to give you an opportunity right now to prematurely capitulate on this one.
68:50Decline. Hard pass. Patrick Mahomes hasn't been good in fantasy football in, like, a long time.
68:56He actually was last year, but that was because he was running like a madman.
69:01You want to take that one from the top?
69:04He was running like a madman. He had his highest scramble rate of his entire career, and he's already come out and
69:11said that he's not going to run this year coming off the ACL and the LCL.
69:16We already talked about his pass catcher core. This offense is going to funnel through Kenneth Walker.
69:22You can just give me the win right now.
69:25A short but sweet argument from Silva for the finale for closing arguments.
69:29Leonie, go ahead. Well, Silva immediately contradicted himself as he stated that Patrick Mahomes hasn't been good in fantasy for a long
69:37time and then said, oh, he actually was pretty good last year, so that was a good one.
69:43He had a couple, you know, he threw three or more touchdowns in five games last year.
69:49That's like over a third of his game, so even without the rushing component, he was very successful fantasy quarterback.
69:55If you go back the last four or five years, however far you want to go, even with this offense being disappointing
70:03at times in recent memory, on a per-game basis, Mahomes has never been worse than QB 11, QB 12, you know, depending
70:10how you do the scoring, and Silva has him ranked QB 15, so he's expecting a pretty big drop-off.
70:17If you look at how most analysts have the quarterback position ranked from a real-life perspective, Mahomes is still near the top
70:24of most sharp analysts' rankings there, and in terms of pass rate over expectation, I do think this offense shifts a little
70:31more run-heavy than they have in the past with the addition of Kenneth Walker, but you've got to consider that relative to
70:39the baseline, which is the past three seasons, they finished first, second, first, in the entire NFL and pass rate over expectation.
70:46This is a team that leans into their most powerful weapon, and that's Patrick Mahomes.
70:51So at QB 10, where we've got him ranked, there's much more of a logical floor-ceiling combination where it's going to be
70:59very hard for him to not pay off at a minimum Silva's price tag at QB 15.
71:04He literally has never had a season worse than QB 12.
71:08The average team total for Kansas City still, it's not S-tier anymore, but it's still top 10 in the NFL at 24.1 points per game.
71:16Matt Nagy's gone. He was kind of a disaster for this offense, so hopefully there's a rebound there.
71:22So I think for all these reasons, Patrick Mahomes is really, really undervalued as QB 15 in Silva's rankings.
71:29Patrick Mahomes is not going to run and he has one of the worst pass catcher cores in the league this year.
71:36I mean, I can't believe that you have him at number 91 overall.
71:41You need to fix that ranking. You know, Leone didn't make one of the arguments that I think is one of the
71:48good ones for Patrick Mahomes, which is with an actual threat of running game, Mahomes can do more vertical things.
71:55The problem is I don't know that he has the players to do those vertical things anymore.
72:00I'll say this. I agree with Silva's rank on Mahomes more, but I thought Leone made the better argument there as a
72:08whole, and so I will give that one to Leone and the win to Leone.
72:13However, the win now does not matter for two reasons.
72:16Hopefully, we can have an actual appeals process to an actual federal judge and he will hear your appeals on one or
72:24two guys and my rulings and number two, the actual winner, I consider the actual winner of Man vs.
72:30Machine not who won the argument today, but based on results, who won the argument and of course, after every season we
72:37go back and do the Man vs. Machine review and grade these guys that way.
72:43So, yes. Let this be a lesson to you out there.
72:46Complain to the officials early, you get the calls at the end of the game.
72:51In all seriousness, big thanks to these guys for coming out here and defending the rankings.
72:57To be clear, these are not Leone's personal rankings.
73:00I contribute to them in a massive way as does Silva, as does everyone else on our NFL team.
73:06Silva's rankings are the personal ones that are only his.
73:09I just want to say, I know I say this every single year, it is very hard to do it either way.
73:17Silva, from his gut, just from knowing ball knowing, has been incredibly, incredibly accurate on this stuff, which is really hard to
73:24do from your gut and obviously, we think that doing the model based with the hand inputs is like the best way to do this stuff at scale.
73:34It's always close. The results are always close also, so it should be another good battle this year.
73:40All in good fun. Hopefully you guys enjoyed the man versus machine bit for this year and got some value out of it as well.
73:48If you did, listen to Silva. Actually, don't listen to Silva.
73:52Instead of hitting subscribe on the free YouTube, hit subscribe on our in-season product, which you need to see the in-season man
73:59versus machine shows that are coming once a week.
74:02Here. All right. That's going to do it for man versus machine 2026.
74:07Hope you all had as much fun as we did.
74:10For the man, Silva. For the machine, Leone. For Bruce or Luke.
74:14For Bruce or Ryan. I am Adam. Good luck, everybody.
74:17Bye. Bye.

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