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Which Wide Receivers Will Break Out In 2026? (Episode 1005 with Matt Harmon, Evan Silva, Adam Levitan)

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1 hr 33 min
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Aug 6, 2026
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Thu, August 6, 2026
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Davante AdamsMarvin Harrison Jr.Michael WilsonQuentin JohnstonTre HarrisA.J. BrownAlec PierceBrian Thomas Jr.Carnell TateD.J. MooreDeVonta SmithEmeka EgbukaGarrett WilsonJalen McMillan
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A.J. Brown

NegativeValue61:21

Matt Harmon highlights a significant decline in AJ Brown's reception perception metrics, with success rates dropping across the board (man, zone, and press) at age 29. Harmon believes 0% of the risk is baked into his current ADP and suggests he should be drafted one round cheaper.

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Alec Pierce

NegativeRole26:53

Matt Harmon notes that while Alec Pierce has improved on intermediate in-breaking routes, he remains a 'limited menu' player who functions best as an X receiver. Harmon expresses concern about his lack of versatility to move off-ball or into the slot, and notes that Pierce currently has no timetable for return from injury.

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Brian Thomas Jr.

PositiveValue23:35

Matt Harmon is willing to give Brian Thomas Jr. a pass for his performance last season, citing health issues. He considers Thomas a primary target for home-run potential in the Jaguars' offense, though he acknowledges the team's crowded receiver room makes it difficult to take a hard-line stance on any individual pass catcher.

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Carnell Tate

NegativeProjection75:25

Matt Harmon ranks Carnell Tate as his WR1 prospect due to his high floor and ability to win outside and against man coverage. However, Harmon notes concerns regarding Tate's lack of 'easy button' targets (screens, slants) in college and expects Wan'Dale Robinson to potentially lead the Titans in catches due to his familiarity with Brian Daboll's system.

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D.J. Moore

NegativeProjection69:57

Matt Harmon expresses low conviction on DJ Moore's production in Buffalo, noting that Moore has performed worse in reception perception over the last two years. However, Harmon suggests Moore may fit the Bills' offense better than Chicago's, as his strengths (nine, curl, and slant routes) align with Joe Brady's scheme and Josh Allen's playstyle.

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Davante Adams

NegativeProjection57:02

Harmon believes Adams is in a steady decline, noting his success rate versus man/press has dropped to the 61st percentile from his previous 99th percentile peak, though he remains a technician in goal-line situations.

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NegativeRole58:07

Matt Harmon notes Adams is 34 in December and showed decline last year, with a 61st percentile success rate vs man/press compared to his historical 99th percentile marks. He is no longer a deep threat and relies on high touchdown volume to pay off his ADP. The Rams' interest in AJ Brown suggests they lack confidence in Adams' long-term outlook.

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DeVonta Smith

PositiveRole3:19

Matt Harmon believes Devonta Smith is overdue for a promotion to a number one receiver role. Smith has demonstrated alpha-like metrics when AJ Brown is off the field and has proven he can win against press coverage, with a 77.6% success rate versus press in 2024 (83rd percentile). While there are concerns about his 170-pound frame holding up to the physical punishment of a full-time X-receiver role over 17 games, his skill set as a separator is elite.

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Emeka Egbuka

PositiveRole45:53

Harmon expects Egbuka to thrive as a movement Z receiver in Zach Robinson's offense, noting that his rookie struggles were largely due to being forced into an outside X role and playing through multiple injuries.

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Garrett Wilson

PositiveProjection6:15

Matt Harmon views Garrett Wilson as a fringe top-10 to top-12 receiver talent who is poised to dominate targets. Despite poor quarterback play and questionable offensive design in previous seasons, Wilson remains one of the league's best separators. Harmon expects the Jets to move Wilson around the formation more effectively this year, utilizing him in the slot to maximize his talent, even if there are concerns about the overall Jets offense.

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Jalen McMillan

PositiveProjection50:21

Harmon highlights McMillan's strong rookie success rates (70% vs. press, 72% vs. man) and proficiency on dig routes (91.5% success), though notes that the Panthers' environment and quarterback play make him a difficult fantasy evaluation.

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Jayden Higgins

NegativeValue53:39

Harmon notes that while Higgins is a productive red-zone threat (six TDs on 68 targets), he lacks the vertical ability of Nico Collins and is best valued in deeper formats or at a lower ADP (around 130) rather than his current 100 overall price.

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Jayden Reed

PositiveRole32:23

Matt Harmon remains high on Jaden Reed, noting his strong success rate against man coverage. Despite the team potentially viewing him as a slot-only player, Harmon hopes to see him play more and believes he is a leading candidate for a breakout season given the Packers' condensed target distribution.

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Jaylen Waddle

PositiveValue9:16

Matt Harmon identifies Jalen Waddle as the most mispriced player in fantasy football. Moving to Denver to be the alpha receiver for Bo Nix, Waddle is expected to thrive in a role similar to Stefan Diggs in Buffalo. Despite playing a difficult X-receiver role in Miami, Waddle maintained high efficiency (2.19 yards per route run last year). Harmon ranks him as a top-12 wide receiver, noting that Denver's strong offensive line and Bo Nix's willingness to test the deep field will benefit him.

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Jordyn Tyson

PositiveBreakout73:16

Matt Harmon praises Jordan Tyson's 89th percentile success rate vs zone coverage, noting it is one of the best marks since 2021. While Tyson needs work on release moves against press, his landing spot in New Orleans is ideal for his skill set as a zone-beater in Kellen Moore's motion-heavy offense.

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Josh Downs

PositiveRole29:25

Matt Harmon is a big fan of Josh Downs, comparing his skill set to Tyler Lockett rather than a slot-only receiver. Harmon believes Downs has the ability to beat press-man coverage and should be on the field consistently for the Colts, provided he stays healthy.

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Ladd McConkey

NegativeRole13:36

Matt Harmon expects Ladd McConkey to thrive in his second year, noting that his underlying separation data remained consistent despite a difficult rookie season. With Keenan Allen gone, McConkey is expected to inherit the intermediate layup routes. Harmon highlights that McConkey is a strong separator who excels on downfield breaking routes. The primary concern remains whether his body can handle a high-volume workload of 140+ targets given his injury history.

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Luther Burden

PositiveBreakout41:46

Harmon views Luther Burden as an ascending player in a top-tier offense, citing impressive rookie metrics (71% success vs. man, 80.4% vs. zone) and a role that fits him better than it did DJ Moore.

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Marvin Harrison Jr.

NegativeProjection36:13

Matt Harmon acknowledges that Marvin Harrison Jr. has been disappointing relative to his draft capital, but argues he is not as bad as the internet narrative suggests. He believes Harrison is a solid receiver who was a poor fit for his former quarterback's style, and that he could be a 'supersized DeVonta Smith' or Chris Olave type in the current Cardinals offense.

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PositiveProjection39:42

Marvin Harrison Jr. is projected ahead of Michael Wilson because he earned targets at a significantly higher rate when both were on the field together, according to Harmon.

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Matthew Golden

NegativeRole30:54

Matt Harmon is not overly impressed by Matthew Golden's rookie season, noting poor success rates against both man and zone coverage. However, he believes Golden makes sense as the Packers' X receiver because he is a vertical route runner, which allows Christian Watson to play off-ball where he is more effective.

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Michael Wilson

PositiveRole37:08

Matt Harmon considers Michael Wilson a legit good player who proved he could beat press-man coverage as an X receiver. Harmon believes the Cardinals' current offensive system will fit Wilson well, allowing him to be a productive part of the passing game alongside Marvin Harrison Jr.

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PositiveRole39:30

Matt Harmon identifies Michael Wilson as a legit good player, though he notes that the Cardinals' difficult schedule might impact the team's passing volume under the new staff, making projections harder.

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Mike Evans

NegativeValue66:10

Matt Harmon views Mike Evans as a buy at his Yahoo ADP of 60, noting he still plays at a high level when healthy. While acknowledging the injury risk (the 'substation' narrative), Harmon argues Evans fits the 49ers' offense well and possesses significant upside for double-digit touchdowns if he stays on the field.

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Parker Washington

PositiveRole20:32

Matt Harmon views Parker Washington as a good player who fits the 'Golden Tate' mold—a solid separator and route runner who excels in the slot. His success rate versus zone coverage increased significantly as his slot usage rose late last season. Harmon considers him a target alongside Brian Thomas Jr. for home-run potential, though he expects a messy, four-man rotation in the Jaguars' receiver room.

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Quentin Johnston

NegativeRole17:58

Matt Harmon suggests that while Quentin Johnston's rookie season was statistically poor (first percentile success rate vs. man/press), he was set up to fail in a vertical X-receiver role. Harmon compares his potential outlook to Corey Davis's final year in Tennessee, where he could be a productive secondary option in a run-heavy, play-action-based offense. Harmon believes Johnston has the WR2 job on the Chargers mostly locked down.

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NegativeValue19:40

Matt Harmon and the hosts agree that Quentin Johnston's current ADP in the 60s is egregious. While he is better than his rookie season, Harmon notes that being better than the worst rookie season of all time does not make him a good player. A Yahoo ADP of 110 is considered much more palatable for taking a shot on him.

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Travis Hunter

NegativeUsage21:12

Matt Harmon notes that Travis Hunter is expected to play more X receiver this year with a more vertical route tree. While he is still learning the nuances of zone coverage, his ability to play receiver—estimated at 20-30% of routes—will likely eat into the target shares of other Jaguars receivers.

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Tre Harris

NegativeDepth Chart19:17

Matt Harmon notes that Trey Harris was used in a versatile role at Ole Miss, including slot work and blocking, which differs from his initial projection as a vertical X-receiver. Harmon believes Harris could pose an interesting challenge to Quentin Johnston for the WR2 role in the Chargers' offense, though Johnston currently holds the edge.

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PositiveValue20:09

Matt Harmon highlights Trey Harris as a strong value compared to Quentin Johnston, noting a massive gap in their respective ADPs (Harris at 180 vs. Johnston in the 60s) despite the potential for Harris to have a meaningful role in year two.

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Episode Transcript

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0:00Go and welcome to the 5th of Establish The Run podcast.
0:03My name is Adam Levitan. I am one of the co-founders here at ETR.
0:07As always, joined by fellow co-founder Evan Silva. And today we have a very, very special guest.
0:12This is a young man who has watched thousands of hours of wide receiver hip swivels.
0:17He's dedicated his life to the wide receiver position all so he can tell us who is actually good and who isn't.
0:23It is one of the oldest friends of the show, Matt Harmon of Yahoo and Reception Perception.
0:28Appreciate the time as always, Matt. How's it going?
0:31Adam, Evan, good to see you guys. Yeah, every year I feel like you intro me, Adam, and you say something in
0:37that regard about how I've dedicated my life to this, which at least brings me about like 30 seconds of an existential crisis.
0:44But you know what? I'm happy to have dedicated my life to this.
0:47I think it's worked out well so far. Indeed, it has.
0:51I am glad that you dedicated your life to this, Evan.
0:54How's it going today? Pleased and privileged today to be with the premier wide receiver analyst in sports media.
0:59Excited for this one. People love this show. Indeed.
1:02On today's show, we are going to discuss 21 of the most interesting wide receivers for fantasy football this season.
1:08We'll hit on a few categories. Guys in new roles.
1:11Year two breakout candidates. We'll check in on aging veterans.
1:13And of course, we'll talk about the important rookies.
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1:50That is the subscribe tab on EstablishTheRun.com. All right, Matt.
1:53We have a bunch of guys in new roles this season.
1:56I want to start there because I think it's really interesting.
1:59The first one to me is the guy with arguably the biggest role change this year, and that is Devonta Smith.
2:05We have not seen Devonta Smith really in the alpha role in a long time.
2:09Obviously, he did it back in college when he won the Heisman.
2:13On a per-route basis, we can look at this when AJ Brown has been off the field, Devonta Smith has been very,
2:19very, very good, showing alpha-like underlying metrics. That is a smallish sample, though.
2:23Matt, what say you about Devonta Smith's ability to become the alpha here for the Eagles?
2:28Yeah, I'm really excited about Devonta Smith this year.
2:30I think he's a guy who's probably overdue for a promotion from the secondary receiver to a number one receiver role.
2:36And, I mean, we have seen him, at least in his rookie season, be the number one guy on the team.
2:42And I think the interesting part for him this year is obviously the Eagles are transitioning to a new offensive environment.
2:48I think there's no question things will look different with Sean Mannion this year than some of what it's looked like with Jalen Hurts just throughout his tenure.
2:57Obviously, it was like the most exaggerated version of this last year, but the very static, like spread and shred world in
3:03which they've lived in with Jalen Hurts. But the good news for Devonta Smith is that I think he can live in
3:09both worlds, which is probably what they'll try to have afoot in each camp this year.
3:14From 2021 to 2023, Smith took 79.8% of his sample snaps outside in reception perception and 70% snaps on the ball.
3:20So we've seen him be a primary outside X receiver in the NFL before, even if he's been in the slot the last two years.
3:27But if you want to kick him inside and you want to have him run, you know, quick patterns and everything like
3:34that, or some of the more long developing like big dig routes or out cuts that you'll want to have in a
3:40Sean Mannion style, what I'm imagining to be a Green Bay type of offense, he can do either one of those things.
3:46So this is one of the best separators in the NFL.
3:49In 2024, AJ Brown was number one in success rate versus man coverage.
3:53That season, Devonta Smith was number two. Like this is a very, very quality receiver who is, like I said, I think
4:00overdue for a promotion to a number one receiver role.
4:02I don't really have any questions about Smith performing in isolation as that guy.
4:06Obviously, the questions for him are just the environment around him.
4:10Yeah. And despite that environment, Evan, Devonta Smith is going very high.
4:13You have him 28th overall, ADP, and I'm looking at season-long ADP now on Yahoo.
4:17Shout out to Matt. I'm looking at season-long ADP now, and 33 overall is Devonta Smith.
4:22So we're not sneaking this one past anyone, obviously.
4:25Evan, any thoughts on what Matt said about Devonta here?
4:28The biggest knock on Devonta Smith ever since he came out of college always, you know, nicknamed the Slim Reaper, 170 pounds.
4:34I am, I have a level of confidence that he's going to be able to excel in this number one receiver role.
4:40Do you think that, Matt, that being 170 pounds, he's probably a little heavier now than he was when he came out of Alabama.
4:47But do you think that that poses any kind of hindrance to Devonta Smith being a full-time number one receiver over a 17-game schedule?
4:54From a health perspective, maybe. You know, I think that that's obviously just the question is, can you absorb that amount of punishment?
5:01We're going to talk about that with another guy here in the new role section as well.
5:06But from like a being able to win on the field perspective, I haven't seen that so far through his NFL career.
5:12Last year, 77.6% success rate versus press, which is an 83rd percentile mark.
5:16He's never fallen below 77% in any pro season.
5:18It was one of the better marks in his prospect profile.
5:22He's always been someone that can win against press, you know, even when he's stuck to the boundary.
5:27So I don't really have any questions like, you know, in terms of skill set wise, it's just physically getting hold up to the punishment at that weight.
5:35But, you know, this is a guy who's generally been pretty healthy throughout the course of his NFL career.
5:40So, yeah, to me, it's just mostly about the past volume here for him and everything like that.
5:46But his ability to play more X receiver, we've already seen him do it and win against press coverage.
5:51Again, a lot of proof that he can be that guy.
5:54I mean, people want to knock Jalen Hurts and not being able to support NFL wide receivers.
5:59That's just not true historically. Yes, perhaps it was underperforming last year, but man, Devante as the number two is that huge
6:06seasons with Jalen Hurts and obviously AJ Brown has had huge seasons as well.
6:10Let's go to the Jets and Garrett Wilson. I don't even know if I want to call this new role for Garrett
6:16Wilson, but it feels like this is the first time he's been a healthy and be had like a reasonably talented offense around him.
6:23Not the most talented offense in the world, but a reasonable offensive line, reasonable weaponry.
6:27And if you think Geno Smith's season with the Raiders was an outlier, maybe like okay quarterback play or better than what he has had.
6:34He has had the worst quarterback play for most of his career has Garrett Wilson.
6:39So people don't want to click this, Carmen. We are above market based on Garrett Wilson's underlying stats, historicals, target competition.
6:45We're above market here. People don't really want to click Garrett Wilson.
6:48What do you think about him with Geno this year?
6:51I get it. I mean, Frank Reich is the offensive coordinator too.
6:55It's just, I don't have a lot of optimism about that.
6:58The frustrating part about last year with Garrett Wilson is that I actually think that Tanner Engstrand, the former offensive coordinator there
7:04got like the passing game right in New York from a design perspective, from a Garrett Wilson role perspective.
7:10I mean, in the first, you know, couple of seasons of his, and really the first two seasons, the two seasons under
7:16Nathaniel Hacken, the Aaron Rodgers like bizarro offense, Garrett Wilson mostly had to play, you know, X receiver for this team.
7:22Even once Devontae Adams like got there, they've used him more as a slot option, which Garrett Wilson can win in that role, but he's more maximized.
7:30I think when you use them off ball and kind of allow him to move around, which they did last year.
7:36Just the rest, the run game was terribly designed and Justin Fields didn't fit the pass game.
7:41It was obviously a mess last year, but Wilson was pretty productive on a per game basis last year.
7:46He still led the jets in receiving, despite the fact that he didn't catch a pass from like mid October on or something like that.
7:54He's just one of the most talented receivers and separators in the NFL.
7:57And I have to imagine this year with 80 Mitchell kind of cemented as that X only option.
8:03They're going to move Garrett Wilson around. He's going to play a lot more.
8:07Z is going to play a lot more slots.
8:09So the opportunity should be there for him. The question is just obviously, can Gino hang onto this job and do like,
8:16do they go to Cade club Nick at some point?
8:18I was just talking about this literally this morning with Nate Tice on football 301.
8:23I think the Cade club Nick pick is kind of a canary in the coal mine for Frank Reich probably has not evolved as an offensive mind.
8:31Cause remember like Frank Reich, when he's even with the Eagles and they were having a lot of success, it's a lot
8:37of, you know, 11 personnel RPO is 11 personnel RPO.
8:40So, and that's a lot of what Cade club Nick, just a ton of RPOs at Clemson.
8:45So I don't have a lot of optimism about the jets offense as a whole, but Wilson is enough of a talent.
8:51Like he's a fringe top 10 top 12 receiver talent in the league and should continue even with all these, you know,
8:57interesting pieces around him to dominate targets. Yeah. Yeah.
9:00I mean, we are at 35 overall and half PPR on Garrett Wilson, which I think is like reasonable all things considered
9:06how good he is, the target competition, et cetera.
9:09But Mark doesn't want him 42 overall is the ADP here on Garrett Wilson.
9:13Let's go to Jim Waddle is in a new role.
9:16Jalen Waddle was the second fiddle to Tyreek Hill for a while.
9:19We didn't get a huge sample of him after Tyreek went down or we did have a sample, but it was just such a mess there in Miami.
9:27But anyways, regardless, now he goes to Denver on a big deal to be the alpha for Bo Nix.
9:33Harmon, what do you think about the outlook for Jalen Waddle in this new role with the Broncos?
9:38Jalen Waddle is flat out the most mispriced player in fantasy this year.
9:42I think he is just set up to absolutely cook in Denver.
9:45And there's a lot of things that I think people don't understand about Jalen Waddle.
9:50One is just how good he is. You know, it still feels like there's kind of a contingent that thinks he's just
9:56not that good of a receiver or anything like that.
9:59I know he didn't explode with Tyreek Hill out last year, but part of that is number one, they just didn't run a lot of plays.
10:06I think they were one of the fewest teams in terms of plays run per game.
10:11Not a lot of pass attempts. That's going to change in Denver for sure.
10:15The other thing I think people don't realize about Jalen Waddle is because they did all the fun move around stuff with
10:22Tyreek Hill, you know, getting him in the slot, get him in the Z spot to like move around the formation.
10:28Jalen Waddle, despite this not really being like his prototypical size or skill set, he's had to be the extra receiver for this team from 2022 to 2024.
10:36He averaged a 77% outside alignment rate was on the ball for 81% of his sampled snaps.
10:41And, you know, that really only increased like over the course of those three seasons, his rate of snaps on the ball.
10:47And still even last year without Tyreek Hill, 79% snaps on the line of scrimmage, 84% outside.
10:52That number one is already you're playing kind of the hardest receiver role, especially with a quarterback who gets the ball out
10:58so fast into a, you know, those routes just don't have a chance to develop, especially when you're kind of a vertical receiver.
11:05So with Cortland Sutton as the X, and I think Pat Bryant probably as the, you know, kind of big slot receiver,
11:11we're going to see Jalen Waddle used more like 2016 Brandon Cooks in this offense where Cooks that year actually took his
11:18highest rate of snaps off the line of scrimmage and big breaking routes, not just down the field, but quick hitters as well.
11:24I mean, there were weeks last year as long stretches of the season last year where Troy Franklin is out targeting Cortland Sutton.
11:31That's not because Troy Franklin is a better receiver than Cortland Sutton.
11:34And that's because they, that offense wants to hit those layups and everything.
11:38And now Jalen Waddle is essentially going to be that guy.
11:41I just think Waddle, he, to me, I haven't ranked as like a wide receiver 12 this season, like a top four,
11:48like easy top 30 ish type of guy in fantasy this year.
11:51I know that Davis Webb, the new OC said this, but I said it first.
11:55Okay. Davis. I said that this reminded me a lot of when the, when the bills traded for Stefan Diggs and like
12:02Josh Allen was in year three Diggs, people knew he was good, but not how they didn't know how good he was.
12:08That's the type of effect. I think Waddle is going to have in Denver getting Stefan Diggs in Buffalo.
12:14That was the turning point really in Josh Allen's career.
12:17Um, so the Broncos do a ton of stuff around the line of scrimmage, but I mean, they want to test deep
12:23like Bo Nix last year was number five in the NFL in intended air yards.
12:27And if you look, I was looking at, uh, the reception perception route chart for Jalen Waddle before the show, this guy wins downfield.
12:34Um, the Broncos give up a first and a third to get them.
12:38They have the best offensive line in the league, according to Brandon Thorne's ranking.
12:42So they're going to have protection. I think Jalen Waddle is a guy to get excited about.
12:47I love hearing you talk him up. I mean, from a strategy perspective here, this is why I've been talking about, and
12:53you know, I always talk about this in season long, the running back heavy starts, but Jalen Waddle available 49.3 ADP in season long right now.
13:01And like we just talked about Garrett Wilson at 43 overall, you can get really strong wide receiver rooms here through rounds
13:07four, five, six, three, four, five, six, really. Um, and yeah, just from a, from a strategy perspective, I think that's at a minimum interesting.
13:14And I mean, the underlying data sports, what, what Harmon is saying about Jalen Waddle.
13:19He like, even last year, it was a such a mess in Miami still 2.19 yards per route run.
13:24Remember he had those two seasons, 2.52, 2.46. Like he's been really, really good from a data perspective also has Jalen Waddle.
13:30Let's go to Lad McConkie. I'm calling this a new role Harmon, because I made the mistake last year of thinking Lad
13:37McConkie's role would not be overly affected by Keenan Allen.
13:40Turned out that it was extremely affected by Keenan Allen.
13:43Now we get Keenan gone, Mike McDaniel in Harmon.
13:45What do you think about Lad in hopefully the role that I thought he would have last year?
13:50I do think it will kind of from a route alignment perspective, route diet perspective, look pretty similar to what it looked like for Lad McConkie last year.
13:59Cause like Keenan came in there and just ate all the layup routes, you know, all the easy stuff.
14:04And look, I think one of the things I've learned over the years, like where I've made mistakes is like speaking to,
14:10um, like an absolute when it comes to receiver decline, because there are guys that, you know, it goes, they go right
14:17off the cliff and we've seen that with players, but there are other players that like age pretty gracefully.
14:22And, you know, I think Keenan Allen's been in some level of decline for like five years, but it's never gone right off the cliff.
14:29He actually still was a totally useful player for the chargers last year.
14:33So I don't think it's like, obviously you don't want to be a second year player and get, you know, kind of
14:40iced by Keenan Allen at that point in your career, but it's not as embarrassing, I think, as it's kind of painted
14:46for Lad McConkie, but he just, it really doesn't matter because in this offense with Mike McDaniel, where they're going to run
14:52a lot more heavy personnel, they're going to run routes in the intermediate area of the field where Lad McConkie is truly at his best.
14:59I mean, this is not some pop gun slot receiver.
15:02He's much more of like a downfield breaking route type of player.
15:06Even last year, they still wanted to get him on those bigger out cuts and everything off play action.
15:11The problem is they just didn't have the offensive line to, you know, make that happen.
15:16So everything to me from an environment perspective looks really good for Lad McConkie, you know, watching him, you know, with, for
15:22reception perception last year, his charting data didn't really change at all.
15:26So the only thing you can maybe criticize him for is that he wasn't as good in 50, 50 ball situations.
15:32His contested catch rate came down from year one to year two, but from a separation perspective, from getting open, like he
15:38still was the same, same guy from year one to year two, almost no decline across the board and success rate versus man or zone coverage.
15:46The only question with Lad McConkie, just we mentioned this with Devante Smith is can his body handle like 140 plus targets?
15:52Cause even through the first two seasons of his career, while he's been really good on those intermediate routes and down the
15:58football field and everything like that, he gets himself rocked and like has to scrape himself off the football field.
16:04But truly that is the only thing I think that would, you know, kind of prohibit him from having like a true wide receiver one fantasy season.
16:12Cause otherwise like every variable you want is there for Lad McConkie.
16:15Also was injured a lot in college was Lad McConkie, which I think is notable there to that point.
16:21The thing that sticks in my head, Silva, is what Harmon said.
16:24If you're that good and I'm glad to hear Harmon say this about the tape and underlying and separation and all that,
16:31because in my head is if you can really get outplayed by Keaton Allen and at times Quentin Johnston, who we'll get
16:37to, how good can you actually be? You know what I mean?
16:41And like, I get that maybe that's not like the sharpest take, but it's at least in my head.
16:46I kind of want to brush that off because I do want to be high on Lad.
16:51Silva, I believe you're above market on Lad if I'm not mistaken here, but.
16:55I've been getting them a lot in best ball drafts.
16:58A lot of way above market on Lad. Yeah.
17:0129 overall for Silva. Yeah. I mean, to me, it's just a cinch that getting the tackles back, Mike McDaniel, Lad McConkie
17:07is going to be the number one receiver. Or lay up stuff is, you know, Lad McConkie is going to get that, that Keaton Allen left behind.
17:15The interesting guy to me is like Quentin Johnston, Trey Harris, you know, then who's going to win that number two receiver
17:21job on a team that's going to use a bunch of multiple tight end sets?
17:25Because I think that that player can have a lot of value.
17:29And so far, Daniel Popper does a great job covering the Chargers.
17:32Actually, he's now moving to a national role, I believe, but has covered the Chargers as well as any beat reporter in
17:39the nation for the last several years. He's made it sound like Quentin Johnson has the number two receiver job blocked up.
17:45Do you have any, like any, any thoughts on how Trey Harris looked to you as a rookie?
17:50Could he maybe challenge Quentin Johnston? I think first, just on Quentin Johnson, I said this to my co-host on reception perception, the show James Coe.
17:58I was like, dude, you mostly him, but kind of the football world at large, like still kind of holding Quentin Johnson's rookie season against him.
18:05I think a little bit too hard. Like there's no question.
18:08That was one of the worst rookie seasons of all time in reception perception.
18:12For sure. It's like first percentile success rate versus man press coverage, the whole deal.
18:17But we can also acknowledge he was really set up to fail in the particular vertical X receiver role that he had,
18:23especially under the first coaching staff that he played for.
18:26They did kind of change up his route tree at times last year, but now he's kind of like a 22nd percentile
18:32success rate versus man player, 24th percentile. So like he's not the worst receiver in the NFL.
18:37He's just kind of like a solid starter essentially with like he's, I would sort of compare him to Corey Davis with the Tennessee Titans.
18:45Like we launched a player comparison tool on the site this year where you can look back through the whole history of RP data.
18:51And that's one that pops up for him. And I think that also makes sense from like a fantasy perspective where if
18:58he's going to be one of the two receivers on the field and heavy personnel that year where Corey Davis, his final
19:04year in Tennessee, him and AJ Brown were both like top five in yards per route run that year because they were
19:11running so few 11 personnel and just taking deep shots off play action.
19:14I think Quentin Johnson could have a season like that.
19:17Trey Harris like was interesting last year because I viewed him as kind of a mostly vertical X receiver prospect coming out
19:24of Ole Miss, but he was used more all over the formation in the slot as like a blocker.
19:29So I do think he will pose an interesting challenge and maybe can mix in here.
19:34But I think QJ kind of has that second receiver spot, not totally locked down, but pretty well locked down at this point.
19:40Yeah. Well, this is one of me and Evan's biggest debates.
19:44I mean, Quentin Johnson is going in the 60s now in best ball, which I think is absolutely egregious, Harmon.
19:49I'm not going to be as nice as you.
19:52I think Quentin Johnson in 60s is absolutely egregious.
19:54Like, yes. Well, I don't have him in the 60s either.
19:58He's better than his rookie year, but he still sucks.
20:01You know what I mean? It doesn't mean that just because you're better than literally the worst rookie season of all time doesn't mean that you're now good.
20:09And like, yeah, I'm excited to see Trey Harris here in year two.
20:12And yeah, I think the gap between Trey Harris who goes around 180 and Quentin Johnson who goes in the 60s is massive.
20:19Now, if you want to talk to me about season long, that's a different story.
20:23The Yahoo ADP is around 110 on Quentin Johnson.
20:26That's obviously much, much, much more palatable to be there at 110.
20:29I'd consider taking him there at 110 for sure.
20:32All right. Let's go to, oh, here's a controversial one, Harmon.
20:35Let's go to Parker Washington. There are a lot of Parker Washington haters out there who say, yeah, he had no pedigree.
20:42You know, he wasn't a big college performer. He has this really small sample of production last year.
20:47And now people are going nuts about Parker Washington over highly touted prospects such as Brian Thomas, Travis Hunter, et cetera.
20:53So very interested in this one, Harmon. Do you think Parker Washington is actually good enough to say lead the Jaguars in yards and receptions this year?
21:01Yeah, I'll just say to like pull back on the Jags receiver room as a whole.
21:05I do kind of think from a base case outcome, this probably looks like the Packers receiver rooms of the last few
21:12years where four guys get involved because, you know, I know the internet wants like to make Travis Hunter just to he's not just going to play cornerback.
21:20And I actually kind of like the fact that they've talked about how he's going to play more X receiver this year
21:26and run a more vertical route tree in a weird way.
21:29His role as a rookie was one, two, like much throwing him, you know, the whole playbook and the whole deal, but
21:36also too limited in that it was just kind of cookie cutter gadget targets to start where he really started to get
21:42cooking right before the injury when they unfurled his routes as like more of a deep guy and let him run it
21:48because his best stuff comes against press man coverage.
21:51He still is kind of not totally on the details in terms of zone coverage and everything.
21:56And that bears out in his charting, but he's going to play receiver, you know, a little bit at least here.
22:02I would say maybe 20% of the routes, maybe 30%, which is enough to eat into the other three guys who are
22:08also really good in their own right. In addition to the fact that they're going to play two tight ends of the
22:15whole deal, but for Parker Washington in particular, you know, he is an interesting player because I compared him coming to the NFL to bud light.
22:22Golden Tate was my player comparison for him. And golden Tate was a guy who was pretty solid separator, pretty solid route
22:28runner, better from the slot, but more of a downfield slot receiver who could win in tight coverage and win with the
22:35ball in his hands as a tackle breaker. And while Parker Washington, I would say it was maybe like an average separator against man coverage.
22:42Once they got him into the slot, his success rate versus zone coverage really kicked up.
22:47And that's something I think people don't realize for Parker Washington either.
22:50It's a big piece of context about his season.
22:53He was only in the slot like it towards the end of the year.
22:57He was actually like a boundary outside reserve receiver to start the season, you know, playing behind Deami Brown, which was a terrible signing.
23:04But in his final four games sampled his rate of snaps off the ball, 62%, his slot rate increased by 10 percentage point.
23:10And in those games, he was really cooking against zone coverage in particular, which is what you want as a slot receiver.
23:17And he was flat out one of the better contested catch receivers and after catch receivers in the RP database from last season.
23:23No question about it. So I think he's a good player.
23:27I think his role looks like it should be pretty solid in this offense.
23:31So I kind of want to take shots on both him and Brian Thomas Jr.
23:35because I'm generally kind of willing to give Brian Thomas Jr.
23:38a pass for some of the stuff last season.
23:41There are areas where he needs to improve, but he clearly wasn't healthy last year.
23:45So I like taking my shots on both those guys because I think they're probably the favorites to if you're going to
23:51hit a home run, it's going to be one of those two guys.
23:55But ultimately, I do kind of think the base case is that all four of these guys play and you're kind of
24:02irritated in fantasy on a pretty consistent basis. 100%.
24:04I do think it's notable that Travis Hunter has been practicing on the outside a lot at training camp so far.
24:10In other words, when Travis Hunter comes on the field, if he's not taking away the slot snaps from Parker Washington, that
24:17makes me feel a little bit better about Parker Washington's role there.
24:20Evan, anything to add on Jags wide receivers? I have not personally taken a big stand on any of the Jaguars' pass
24:26catchers because, and Harmon hit on it a little bit, they have so many different guys that they can use, including their tight ends.
24:33I mean, right before training camp, they gave Brenton Strange a big extension.
24:37They drafted Nate Borkercher in the second round and they got four receivers that they can play.
24:42And so I think it's tough to really take a stand, like a hard line stance on any of these guys.
24:48And I think that on a week to week basis and season long, it's going to be rough.
24:53You're going to be playing a lot of whack-a-mole, you know, trying to figure out who's going to score on a week to week basis.
25:00It's going to be pretty difficult to predict. So that's where I'm at.
25:04That's why I haven't taken a big stand on any individual Jaguars' pass catcher.
25:08We do have, in the ETR ranks, we do have Parker Washington as our highest ranked Jaguars receiver.
25:13It is very, we have Brian Thomas literally like right behind him, very close between those two.
25:18They're both kind of cheap. That's exactly how I have it too.
25:22Yeah, I have it the other way where I have these guys close and I just have, right now I have Brian Thomas Jr.
25:29ahead, but the Travis Hunter taking snaps at X receiver has made me like maybe rethink that a little bit just because
25:35for a minute, I thought, again, if somebody's going to be on the field all the time to use the Packers analogy,
25:42it's going to be whoever is Romeo Dobbs in this scenario, because he's the outside on ball receiver, which theoretically would be Brian Thomas Jr.
25:49But if that's not going to be the case, like I actually do kind of think, Hey, if you're trying to give
25:55Travis Hunter a limited menu, when you get into like, say they run some 13 personnel this year, which I don't think
26:01anybody will live in as much as maybe, you know, was kind of a media talking point for a while, but let's say they do.
26:09That's a very limited route tree. You don't have to learn a ton of stuff.
26:13And if you're just Travis Hunter, go cook down the football field.
26:16It would make sense to leave him as the only receiver in those situations.
26:21So yeah, I have it pretty close to, and I'm rethinking, do I want to have BTJ or Parker Washington ranked ahead?
26:27I'm not a hundred percent convicted there. All right, let's go to Indy here for another guy in a new role.
26:33So it's Alec Pierce. I want to ignore the injury stuff on Alec Pierce for a second here and just focus on, they paid him 84 million guaranteed.
26:41In theory, when I see that kind of bag, I think you are expected to now win at all three levels or at least two levels historically.
26:49And Matt can correct me if I'm wrong. It feels more to me like Alec Pierce has won mostly deep down the field with Michael Pittman gone.
26:57In theory, they need him to win and they're paying this much money in theory.
27:01They need him to win closer to the line of scrimmage.
27:04Is Alec Pierce capable of doing that here, Harmon?
27:07And what do you think about him in, I guess, theoretically, an alpha role this year?
27:11Yeah, I guess alpha kind of depending on your perspective of what that means.
27:15I think Pierce, no doubt, has improved a lot from where he was early in his career when he was more of
27:22a pure sacrificial X receiver, where he's just running the downfield stuff and clearing out space for his teammates.
27:27Last year, he really improved on intermediate in breaking routes.
27:30So he ran a route, ran a dig route on 24% of his chartered routes, 82% success rate, really solid number there
27:37was pretty good on outbreakers, but generally still better breaking over the middle of the field, which is what the Colts kind
27:43of want to do with that outside man coverage beating X receiver.
27:46So I still think his role will be even when he's healthy or whatever, we'll still be like a limited menu, but
27:53it's definitely not just shot play stuff. He can run slants, he can run some in breakers, but I still think it
27:59will always be a little bit of a high wire act because my question more with him is not so much.
28:05Can he run more routes than just go routes or whatever?
28:08He definitely can. I think he proved that to us last year and he was a prospect that I kind of liked
28:15too on some of those in breakers as well.
28:17It's, can he play anything other than X receiver?
28:20Like, is he twitchy enough to move off ball or kick into the slot?
28:24And I think that the answer to that is probably no.
28:27So I think he will be like a limited menu player.
28:30And I honestly do kind of worry about him being like a 30 plus million dollar receiver.
28:35It's good that he's with the Colts instead of going to some other team or whatever.
28:40But yeah, I think Pierce is good at what he does really, really good at what he does, but I don't know
28:46that the, the, like the depth of talent is there in this one thing, maybe not the breadth of talent is there for him.
28:53We have Josh Downs actually projected for more targets than Alec Pierce in the ETR stuff.
28:58We do have Pierce ranked higher, just for longer ADOT, more touchdown equity, et cetera.
29:02But yeah, I mean, it's certainly getting closer between those guys.
29:05We'll talk more about Downs here later, but yeah, super interesting spot there for the Colts.
29:10For an update on Alec Pierce, Shane Steichen spoke today and like Alec Pierce still has no timetable for return.
29:16Yeah. So, I mean, I'm not feeling great about his health right now.
29:19What do you think about Josh Downs' ability to handle, you know, the majority of the receiving workload for Indianapolis, Matt?
29:25Well, it's, I love Josh Downs. You know, I've been a longtime fan of his.
29:30I think he compares more to Tyler Lockett than, you know, your typical slot only bunny hop type receiver.
29:35He's somebody that has been in a really, really good press man beater, even in the NFL.
29:40And I get most of that's come from the slot.
29:43So, you know, that is a piece of context there.
29:46But at this point, like Shane Steichen, who I don't think is an idiot would have to be an idiot to not
29:52have like Josh Downs be on the field all the time relative to some of those other players.
29:58But yeah, I, I'm a big Downs fan. I think he can handle it.
30:02It's from a skillset perspective. It's just an injury based thing.
30:05And I'm at this point after the JSN season, which I'm sure we talked about this last year, my big theory for
30:11why JSN could, no question kick outside was we've seen him be able to beat man coverage.
30:16Like that's what you need to do if you're going to be that guy.
30:20And that was the proof was in the pudding there for him.
30:24And obviously he had this great season. I don't know that I'm not saying Josh Downs is going to have JSN season,
30:30but for me personally, these teams feel differently. But for me personally, I don't want to put these artificial limits on players
30:36that they have to play in the slot just because of, of size or history or whatever, because I've seen Josh Downs
30:43be able to project to that type of role.
30:45Okay. Well, that is a good transition to the next spot.
30:48We're going to talk about, is Packers wide receiver room, new roles here as they get rid of Romeo Dobbs and Dontavian Wicks.
30:55I want to ask about Matthew Golden, but the point that the reason I think it's transition is because Josh Downs and
31:01Jaden Reed have historically kind of had this similar thing where we think they're awesome players or we know they're awesome players,
31:08but their teams view them as slot only. We do know that Matthew Golden is going to play X for this Packers team.
31:14The Dobbs role that has historically been, like Matt already said, a voluminous role in terms of routes at a minimum.
31:20So Matt, what do you think about Matthew Golden in the Dobbs role?
31:24Yeah, I just like come away from Matthew Golden's season as a rookie and not feeling strong one way or another.
31:30You know, we talked about like Quentin Johnson's rookie season.
31:33It's certainly from a reception perception perspective was not that bad, but it also wasn't to a level, you know, he's like
31:4033rd percentile success rate versus man coverage, 23rd percentile against zone.
31:43So nothing so much where I was like, I can't believe they didn't get this guy to football more, you know, or anything like that.
31:50I thought he was, and I think if you're being fair to Matthew Golden, they kind of, they tried to kick him
31:56into Jaden Reed's like slot based role, which isn't a really good fit for him because he's mostly a vertical route runner
32:03who isn't always right and tight on the details of what he needs to break at this depth or whatever.
32:08So I actually do kind of think he makes sense relative to this receiver room to be the X receiver because I
32:15don't want to see Christian Watson play X. Watson is best when you get him off ball and on the move.
32:21And I was kind of worried he would get typecasted as the X because he's the biggest guy.
32:26So honestly, like, I mean, I've joked about this now.
32:29I think my term sacrificial X has jumped the shark in certain perspectives.
32:33Like I see people be like, Oh, it's X.
32:35He's playing X. That's not good. No, you actually, you need to have a really good X receiver.
32:40It matters a lot. And it's not a bad thing.
32:43There are different types of X receivers, right? Correct.
32:46Not every X is sacrificial and not every sacrificial player is an X.
32:50Mike Evans is not going to be a sacrificial X.
32:53Correct. Mike Evans is going to be the most badass player in your passing game.
32:57So yeah, it's not always a bad thing. And, uh, but Romeo Dobbs was the player who actually was the first one
33:03to make me come up with the term sacrificial X because he needed to be the outside on ball guy and run vertical routes.
33:10So you and I kind of think that Matthew golden could be a little bit sacrificial, but still really good and explosive
33:17on limited opportunities as the X receiver. But I do think Reed is somebody I'm going to continue to hold out.
33:23Hope can play more. And I kind of think it doesn't really matter about the two receiver stuff as much this year.
33:29Cause I think the defense is going to be worse.
33:32I think the run game is going to be worse.
33:35And once again, I don't think that their second tight end with Luke Musgrave, especially dealing with a neck injury right now
33:41is a better player than Jaden Reed. So to me, Reed is someone who in his first two seasons was right around 73% success rate versus man.
33:49I would like to see him play more, but he is certainly someone that is a leading candidate for, you know, the
33:55Matt Harmon fell for it again award in terms of a small man coverage, beating slot receiver.
34:00That just is a little more limited than I'd like.
34:03We have big changes coming for the Packers. You know, Matt alluded to some of them, but they're all good for the receivers.
34:10I mean, way more condensed, way more concentrated in terms of routes.
34:13They cannot play all these guys. Everybody else is trying to go to more heavy, more double tight end.
34:19They don't have the tight end room really to do that.
34:22We already alluded to the Luke Musgrave injury here.
34:24And then defense could be bad. Run game could be bad, you know?
34:28And so there's just like a lot of reasons to be excited about Packers stuff.
34:33The last reason to be excited about it. Matthew Golden is like free in season long.
34:37I'm looking at an ADP here of 150 on Matthew Golden, even in best ball.
34:42Sometimes Matthew Golden sneaks through to like 115, 120 Jaden Reed still goes in the nineties or so.
34:47And yeah, you know, I make all three plays.
34:49I make the Watson play and read play and, and the golden play, uh, here right now.
34:54Last guys to talk about for new roles is going to be the Cardinals wide receivers.
34:59Um, Marvin Harrison, I've been calling him Mazda instead of Maserati Marv, you know, it's really tough because Michael Wilson played so
35:05well when Mazda was out last year. First game Mazda gets back immediately.
35:09Mazda mogged him in targets and that like keeps sticking in my craw when I want to get higher Michael Wilson.
35:15Um, so Harmon, there's a lot of debate out there about Marvin Harrison.
35:19Like I had stone zero Marvin Harrison last year.
35:21Shout out to me. It didn't actually lead to any significant dollars, but anyways, uh, Adam thinks that Marvin Harrison was never
35:28actually good and that it was like a conspiracy that because, because his, because his father is Marvin Harrison senior, Marvin Harrison jr.
35:34was actually never good. It was all a lie.
35:37Evan, Evan has used the phrase Nepo baby a lot on here.
35:40And this is the poster child of Nepo baby in Marvin.
35:44No, when he was going in round three, it was easy fade last year.
35:48Now he's going in like around eight or around nine.
35:51It's a different story for sure. So Harmon, what do you think is Marvin Harrison actually Mazda or is he Maserati?
35:57Okay. So we've been making good time on this episode and I could talk for like 30 minutes about these Cardinals receivers.
36:03Uh, so I probably shouldn't have even recommended them to be on the show.
36:07Cause I find that this is like my painful curiosity of the year, mostly because, well, one just on, on Marvin Harrison,
36:13I think you can hold two thoughts in your head, which is one.
36:17Marvin Harrison has objectively been like disappointing relative to the expectations with which he came into the league as the fourth overall
36:24pick, even before you do all the generational prospect or his dad's name or whatever, I guess objectively true.
36:29But I also think he has not been nearly as bad as like the internet just loves to slam on this guy,
36:35you know, viral videos of him dropping training camp.
36:38I think he's been a perfectly solid to good NFL receiver.
36:41That just was not a fit for his former quarterback.
36:44I mean, Marvin Harrison jr's best stuff is like running dig routes over the middle intermediate middle of the field, which Kyler
36:50Murray just does not access that area. And at the same time, like drew petsing offensive coordinator, I think also gets a
36:57little bit too much crap at times, like his offense is kind of a perfectly fine old school NFL offense.
37:03But the thing that drove me crazy about that team, and this brings me to Michael Wilson is that Michael Wilson, I
37:09literally wrote this at the end of his rookie season charting profile.
37:12I said, because Michael Wilson showed as a rookie, he could, I'm paraphrasing myself here, which is always good stuff.
37:18Like because Michael Wilson showed at the end of his rookie season, he could beat press man coverage and win as an X receiver.
37:25They don't have to just run Marvin Harrison jr out as the X like, and they can mix it up.
37:31And then that's exactly what they did until Marvin Harrison got hurt.
37:34And then they throw and Michael Wilson himself has said this, which I, you know, I found vindicating for myself, Adam, you
37:41know, that Michael Wilson's like, well, yeah, then I moved into the X and that's where the targets go in this offense.
37:47They go to the X receiver and they go to the tight end and they don't really go to the Z receiver where Michael Wilson was playing.
37:55All that stuff doesn't really matter. I think now, because I do really like Michael for as an offensive play designer.
38:01I thought his offenses in New York were pretty well designed, moved the receivers around.
38:05Well, I just think the system here is going to fit both of these guys.
38:10Like I think this isn't always the best analysis, but I'm going to do it anyways.
38:14If you just map like what Michael Wilson does well onto like, you know, Puka Nakua is the Z receiver.
38:20And then you map like Devante Adams last year, wasn't running a lot of vertical routes at all.
38:25And Michael Marvin Harrison Jr. in that route tree makes a lot of sense in this offense.
38:30I realized we also don't have Matthew Stafford coming over here obviously, but nevertheless, like I think these two receivers are both
38:36really good players and, you know, we get situations wrong all the time.
38:40I know this situation doesn't look good on paper, but if we're wrong about how bad this offense is going to be,
38:47like, I think both of these guys are misunderstood as talents.
38:50Like Michael Wilson's a legit good player. I think Marvin Harrison Jr.
38:53Again, based on his charting metrics, like this guy gets open.
38:56He's just not this overwhelming athlete or Jamar Chase or something like that.
39:00He's a real, he's more of like a supersized Devante Smith is kind of like what I would say for him or even like a Chris Olave type.
39:08Yeah. Harmon has actually been one of the optimists about the Cardinals offense this year a little bit.
39:13So is Greg Rosenthal, the old boss. Oh, I wonder if Greg Rosenthal has poisoned his Twitter algorithm like I have, I'm
39:20just like getting fed Cardinals stuff all day. Cause I can't stop talking about, I mean, one thing about their schedule, which
39:26is extremely hard that in theory can help the pass catching from a accumulation perspective.
39:30I do not think that LaFerr is going to allow Jigoy Brissett to drop back 40, 45, 50 times a game like the previous staff did.
39:38And so when you start regressing that stuff, it's harder for a projection basis.
39:42We do have Marvin Harrison pretty clear of Michael Wilson, mainly in part because of what I said before about when they
39:48were on the field together, Marvin Harrison was earning targets at a much higher rate than Michael Wilson.
39:54But Harmon's point on where they were aligned is certainly well taken.
39:57The market has these guys pretty close season long ADP, Marvin Harrison, 78, Michael Wilson, 87.
40:02So pretty tight there on the, uh, I have it, I have it closer like that too.
40:07And this is just one of those situations where I think like targets are earned as a, is a generally directionally accurate
40:13phrase, but I do think like this is where it kind of falls apart.
40:17Cause I don't think Michael Wilson did anything different to earn targets when Marvin Harrison jr was out and not earned targets
40:23when he wasn't there or when he was there, excuse me.
40:27And I just think it's more just how the offense flows.
40:30And again, both these guys are good players to me.
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41:46Let's move to the next section here. It's going to be year two wide receivers, man.
41:50There is some hateful stuff going on out there between the Luther Burden truthers and the Luther Burden haters.
41:56I mean, these people are really going at it.
41:58Luther Burden did not get to play until the end of last year when he played at the end of last year from an underlying metric perspective.
42:06It was one of the more impressive rookie wide receiver seasons that you can remember.
42:11The haters going to say it's a tiny sample, yada, yada, yada Harmon.
42:14What say you about how good Luther Burden actually is?
42:17Yeah, I think Luther Burden is really good, man.
42:20Like, and it's totally predictable that he did not get a full-time role last year.
42:24Number one, because he got hurt in the, you know, training camp or like before training camp process for rookie receiver in Ben Johnson's offense.
42:31Like that was very predictable that he was going to need a slow ramp up because Luther Burden was also a guy
42:38that kind of had to be not completely torn down and built back up.
42:42But he was somebody that needed to be pushed.
42:44He needed to be coached hard. And it was kind of predictable that he didn't play a lot at the beginning of
42:51the year, but you know, 71% success rate versus man, 80.4% success rate versus zone.
42:55Like those are the benchmarks we want to see a good wide receiver clear, especially in a part-time role.
43:01Like this guy was drafted to replace DJ Moore in the offense because DJ Moore did not fit this offense, even though he's still a pretty quality player.
43:09And I know we'll talk about him a little bit later, but Luther Burden does fit the offense, especially now that he's
43:15been in the system for a while, both in terms of getting the yards after catch.
43:20Like, and I, I am a Dunze optimist and I refuse to participate in the culture war of you've got to hate one to love the other.
43:27I don't ascribe to that because I do really like Luther Burden, but he's objectively better with the ball in his hands.
43:34No question about it than Roma Dunze is. And even so, like the way they used DJ Moore last year, they would
43:40get him screens and they would get him these like big outbreaking routes.
43:44And it wasn't always successful with Caleb Williams, Luther Burden, 84.6% success rate on digs, 73% success rate on out routes, pretty solid on post routes.
43:51That's a lot of what they wanted DJ Moore to do.
43:55And he just wasn't a really good fit with that.
43:57So I think Luther Burden is kind of aggressively priced based on his final stats last year, but I don't really care about that.
44:04I care about an ascending player in what I think is going to be one of the three best offenses this year.
44:11And yeah, to me, just, I feel really good about where Luther Burden is right now.
44:15Yeah, dude, I was not aware that Luther Burden had haters.
44:19Oh, um, yeah, but if they really exist, I mean, that's a big, big yikes.
44:23Like Luther Burden is a baller. This is an incredible situation that he's found himself in Ben Johnson talking about him.
44:29Like, you know, he could become one of the best receivers in the league.
44:33There were like legit analysts who thought he was the best receiver in the 2025 draft, which I think was largely born out on the field.
44:41The Bears defense is going to be a big, big problem this year.
44:44I mean, they're going to have to score points to be competitive.
44:48There's no way that they can duplicate that crazy turnover differential that they had last year.
44:52Brandon Thorne had him what the 31st ranked pass rush.
44:55They lose Kobe Bryant in the first week of training camp.
44:58They're going to have a rookie Dylan Thienemann at safety and some scrub opposite him.
45:03Like this defense is going to give up a lot of points, a lot of big plays.
45:08Um, and the, the bears offense is going to have to respond.
45:11I think they will respond and Luther Burden will be one of the leading characters in that.
45:16Luther Burden is going to smash, man. I mean, you know, like the DJ Moore thing, the guy in the room, I
45:22mean, the guys that Ben Johnson identified as guys that he wanted were Colson Loveland and Luther Burden.
45:28He inherited DJ Moore and Roma Dunze. DJ Moore is gone.
45:31And Roma Dunze's dad is like fighting with Caleb Williams.
45:34You know what I mean? It's like, this is, this is Colson Loveland and Luther Burden.
45:38Okay. Uh, I'm excited about it. I know we'll talk more about Rome here.
45:42Yeah. I'm going to disagree with that later on, but we'll, we'll come back to it.
45:47We'll come back to that. All right. Other year two guy that I think is a really interesting profile, Emeka Egbuka.
45:53Um, I took a bunch of Emeka Egbuka last year and he came out of the gates.
45:58I was like, Oh my gosh, you know, this is going to be absolutely incredible.
46:02Then he gets banged up. Baker gets banged up and it's kind of a struggle down the stretch for Egbuka.
46:08Now he gets to run out with Mike Evans gone though here.
46:12And we could have done this in new roles, but he has a year two wide receiver.
46:16How capable Harmon do you think Egbuka is of filling those Mike Evans S kind of shoots?
46:21Well, the good news is that Emeka Egbuka is no longer going to actually play in Mike Evans's spot.
46:27Cause that's essentially what he had to do last year where Egbuka was coming into the NFL and I had him, you
46:33know, just in terms of my rankings for the prospects coming into the draft that year I had Travis Hunter is kind of his own thing.
46:41Like if he theoretically played wide receiver, like I think he could have been the best in the class, but he's not
46:47going to ever play full-time wide receiver. He's going to play both ways.
46:51Then it was Tero McMillan and then Emeka Egbuka and then Luther Burton, you know, Matthew Golden, kind of the next guy up there.
46:58So I really liked the book as a prospect, but he was a big slot kind of Z receiver player.
47:04And then last year, because Mike Evans missed so much time, a book ends up taking 68.6% of his sampled snaps outside
47:10and was on the line of scrimmage for 64%.
47:12And those numbers went up when Evans was not on the field.
47:16So, I mean, for a book, like he was mostly an outside X receiver, which just doesn't make any sense for his kind of profile.
47:23And that in combination with Baker's injury, a book zone injury, I think was what, what kind of derailed his rookie season
47:30when it was off to a really promising start.
47:32So yeah, I think a book is a really well set up to be kind of that Z receiver in this offense
47:39is Zach Robinson talked about and you know, Robinson, you can definitely make some qualms about his offenses at times in Atlanta,
47:45but I think he's objectively really good for receiver usage.
47:48I mean, the 2024 Falcons, all of their main pass catchers were in the slot on over 39% of their passing plays.
47:54And I think a book being that movement Z receiver.
47:57Yeah. I think he, I think he could, he could absolutely like totally smash if Baker's good this year, because he's somebody
48:03who, you know, where I have questions about like glad McConkie, these guys like having 140, like a book can handle a
48:10lot of targets and fits this offense extremely, extremely well.
48:13This is another one, Evan, that goes in the forties and we've, a lot of the receivers we've talked about that we
48:19like keep going in the forties ADP here on Ibuka is 42 overall right now.
48:23So yeah. There's just a lot of context that we have to consider for the way, you know, the progression of Emeka
48:30Ibuka's rookie year, because he dealt with a hamstring injury.
48:33Baker was talking about recently all the injuries that he played through.
48:36I mean, his entire body was banged up. Remember the offensive line fell apart in Tampa Bay last year.
48:41And like, they're getting all those guys back. Thorne has the bucks as the number three offensive line in the league, I believe.
48:48Yes. So the context around Emeka Ibuka is a lot more positive entering this season than the way that it progressed over
48:54the course of the, of his rookie year. How comparable, because, you know, obviously they both played at Ohio state first round
49:01picks sort of later first round picks. They had similar like scouting reports coming out of college, Emeka Ibuka and Jackson Smith and Jigba.
49:08Do you think that Emeka Ibuka can be like 95% of Jackson Smith and Jigba?
49:12I mean, that's a big ask after what JSN did last year.
49:16I mean, he was, he's like the best, you know, one of the best offensive players in the league, but I mean,
49:22how, how similar do you think that they are?
49:25Yeah. I think that JSN has just shown more against like press coverage then and release moves off the line of scrimmage
49:31is why he was actually able to handle a primary outside on ball receiver role last year for the Seahawks.
49:37Whereas I think Ibuka, you need to get in motion off the line of scrimmage, which again is how I think he'll be used this year.
49:44But certainly like from a prospect profile perspective, I kind of had these guys with, with similar rankings in my, in my stacked rankings on the site.
49:52I mean, Jalen McMillan, who I think is going to be the X to start, but he's not a natural X either.
49:58And that's where you get this Ted Hearst talk coming from where maybe Ted Hearst could play the X to keep Ibuka and Z.
50:05But yeah, I'm, you know, yeah, I, it's super, it's super interesting for sure.
50:09I hope McMillan can actually play the X, I guess, for Ibuka's sake there.
50:13All right. Let's go to Ted Aroya McMillan. I feel like this is a hard evaluation, Harmon, because Bryce Young has just been so bad.
50:21And I know he's had moments. I know in the playoff game, he went off, but gosh, if you look at Bryce
50:27Young's career as a whole, it has not been good for wide receivers.
50:31And I felt like last year, a lot of times Panthers coaches were trying to hide Bryce.
50:36Let's see how many times we can run it.
50:38Let's see how slow we can play. And obviously that is not good for wide receiver production, but in terms of Ted
50:45Aroya McMillan just winning, it felt to me like he was a hit for the Panthers in a pretty big way.
50:51Harmon, what do you think about Ted Aroya McMillan as an NFL wide receiver going into year two?
50:56Yeah. I mean, no question to hit a 70th percentile success rate versus press is a rookie 72nd versus man coverage.
51:02The routes that he runs the best to me are kind of those intermediate breaking routes.
51:07I mean, I asked him this in February at the Super Bowl, like, what's your favorite route to run?
51:12He said he loves running dig routes. He had a 91.5% success rate on dig routes.
51:17So a good call Ted Aroya McMillan on your best route.
51:20You got that one right based on the charting.
51:22So yeah, I mean, and that all translates by the way to him playing, you know, more in the slot, which I
51:29know they've talked about the Chris Brazel injury makes that a little more complicated because I think he would have been a perfect sacrificial vertical receiver.
51:36And Dave Canales even talked about him as like a field stretcher to open things up for teammates.
51:42But Jalen Coker being like a true stud and somebody that can actually play X receiver as well matters a lot for McMillan moving around.
51:49Cause I think some of those routes, like he basically had the same rookie season from an alignment perspective as like Marvin
51:55Harrison, when everybody's complained about him as a X only option as a rookie, that's, that's what Terrell McMillan had to do.
52:01And he was better, you know, from a production standpoint for sure than Marvin Harrison jr.
52:06So yeah, I think McMillan is a clearly good, clearly a good player.
52:10No question about that. It's just about the environment overall for him and fantasy.
52:14Yeah. And I mean, we're a little bit behind season long ADP here for that reason.
52:18Season long ADP is 38 overall on McMillan. We're at 45 overall.
52:22And that really has nothing to do with him as a player.
52:25It's all the Bryce stuff and the environment stuff.
52:28They're being a little bit behind market on Tet.
52:31I do think Brazil being hurt in a weird way.
52:34Also though, like if there's still intent on him playing in the slot, just like fewer, fewer targets there.
52:39Cause I think Leggett who also got hurt. I mean, the companions have had a disastrous start to camp injury wise, but like Leggett got hurt today.
52:47It pretty much is just like, you're throwing the ball to McMillan and throwing it to Coker.
52:52And I mean, those two guys are both really good, but just how good is Bryce Young?
52:57That's the question. Does not look good for Bryce Young.
53:00And also that tackle situation. I mean, the Panthers are going to open the season without both of their starting offensive tackles.
53:06Yep. And you know, we know that Dave Canales wants to play run first and then you add in the bright Tet
53:12McMillan to me is like one of the toughest dudes to rank this year because look, all three of us believe in his talent, right?
53:19But the environment is just not ideal. Yep. And I, I think like at the tails, you know, that's where that stuff comes into play.
53:27Like, you know, like how many yards, how many touchdowns can team score plays into how often guys hit their 90th, 95th percentile outcome.
53:34Okay. Last one on year two here, Harmon, a little bit more downboard for people in deeper leagues.
53:39Jaden Higgins is expected to play opposite Nico Collins.
53:41I think we've talked before about how they're just like really similar.
53:45And I don't know if you agree, Harmon, but like Nico and Jaden Higgins feel like very, very similar players ish to
53:51me, but I do expect them to be out there in two wide receiver sets.
53:56What's your outlook on Jaden Higgins coming into year two?
53:58Yeah. Higgins was somebody that I was a little skeptical on as a prospect.
54:03Cause I thought I like, he looks like Nico Collins, but he doesn't play like Nico Collins where Nico is like Nico's
54:09unbelievable player, like top five NFL receiver can be press man coverage and X receiver.
54:13And I just thought Jaden Higgins didn't have that same vertical ability to be a true X receiver in the league, which
54:20I think did bear out in his rookie season.
54:22But when he got snaps as the Z receiver, I think his fluidity made a lot more sense there, especially on out cuts and like bigger post routes.
54:30And from the sound of it this year, I think Nico, as much as I, it would be cool to see him
54:37play fewer snaps at X cause he basically only lines up there.
54:40I don't think based on what I've heard that that's going to happen.
54:44I think Nico is going to stay at the X receiver position and Higgins might actually, you know, like Xavier Hutchinson might play more than people want.
54:52And Higgins might end up being the slot in that situation because Jalen null hasn't been healthy and we'll see about tank Dell.
54:58I still love Jalen null. I think he's a really, really good deep sleeper and someone that impressed me in his charting
55:05as a rookie, but Higgins is a, is a guy.
55:08I don't see a lot of people talking about Higgins.
55:10Maybe it's cause CJ Stroud was so bad to end the year, but Stroud was a top 10 quarterback by EPA per play last year.
55:18I think it's a little bit better than maybe the, the kind of lowest moments.
55:22And it just Higgins again, it fits so much better.
55:25He's one of these guys just when you look at him as an X, you know, against vertical, vertical routes against pressman
55:31coverage doesn't look great, but if you can get him off ball, like in the right role, I think he could be
55:38a really productive player that kind of outkicks the expectations when, like I said, I just don't see anybody talking about him right now.
55:45Yeah. I think one of the issues is, you know, what is the ceiling for a number two receiver on a team
55:51with somewhat shaky quarterback play that is built on really on its defense, like one of the most, you know, probably the most talented defense in the NFL.
55:59And they just acquired like a big time bell cow running back, or at least a guy that they envision as a
56:05big time bell cow running back in David Montgomery.
56:08They're going to run the ball a lot. They're going to play really good defense.
56:12They're going to play in low scoring games, probably.
56:15And Jaden Higgins is the number two receiver. You know, it's, it's almost like he needs Nico Collins to get hurt really to offer a ceiling statistically.
56:23Yeah. It's one of the rare wide receivers. Jaden Higgins actually goes later in best ball than season long, which is, you
56:29know, surprising to me, but yeah, you know, a hundred overall in season long is probably going to be a pass for
56:35me, but closer to one 30 or so I think is more interesting on Jaden Higgins there.
56:40And I agree with Harmon. Like I haven't really thought about Jaden Higgins very much and I haven't seen anyone else really talking about.
56:47I'll take him in best ball a decent amount.
56:50Yeah. He did score six touchdowns on 68 targets last year.
56:53I mean, he's a big dude for sure. He'll be able to win in the red zone.
56:58All right, let's go to our next section here, Harmon, which is aging veterans.
57:02Want to start with Devante Adams, who will turn 34 years old in December.
57:06Wide receiver position is not like tight end. There's often pretty severe age clips, even for the best guys around 31, 32.
57:12So we're really starting to push it here on Devante Adams.
57:16I think everybody knows the story what happened last year supported by effectively a goal line role.
57:20They would get inside the five yard line and the play so often was Devante Adams one-on-one get open on a slant or an out.
57:28And he won on that so much ended up with 14 touchdowns.
57:31Harmon, how sustainable is that? Do you think Devante Adams can still win in other ways beyond this goal line role?
57:37Yeah. With all three, really the next guys we're going to talk about, we do come back to that question with aging receivers.
57:44Does it look like this, you know, kind of a steady little decline or do we go right off the cliff?
57:50And for Adams, I think he's kind of already mid process of that steady decline because he brings at least one of
57:56the two things that you need, I think, to age gracefully at the receiver position is that he is a capital E
58:03elite technician, you know, which is why he's still really good in those goal line situations.
58:07I mean, last season, 61st percentile success rate versus man and press coverage, which is how he made a lot of not
58:14just the touchdowns, but even the plays that he would have are kind of, you know, like I mentioned, he doesn't run a lot of vertical routes.
58:21It's 21% of his routes were digs, 23% slants.
58:24Like he runs a lot of those breaking routes in this offense as the X receiver.
58:29And he based on who he was last year can still do that.
58:32Again, the question is just what's the next step down for him?
58:36Because when I'd say he's at 61st percentile success rate versus man and press, this is a guy who's been like 99th
58:42percentile at different points in his career. Like clearly he's not the same player that he once was, but if he's the
58:49guy he was last year, I think he can still hang on for at least another year, but he'll be 34 years old in December.
58:56You know, he already got banged up towards, he did wear down at the end of last year.
59:01Like he came back and wasn't the same player in the playoffs.
59:04So the Rams are a very interesting offense, man, because they're, they're like walking a tight rope, right?
59:10Where they, if everything stays as it is right now, it's going to look pretty good, but there are some significant questions.
59:16And while I said Adams was, was, was impressive as a route runner last year and still could get open on those
59:22particular routes that he runs a lot. If there's another step of decline there, he misses more time.
59:28They do not have any depth behind him and Puka Nakua.
59:31There were rumors and I kind of bought them that the Rams were in on the AJ Brown sweepstakes and that, and
59:37that did not make me feel great about how they feel about Devante Adams.
59:41I mean, I remember talking about, we had this huge fade on Cooper Cup last year.
59:46We had him ranked like, you know, five, six rounds behind ADP and people were freaking out.
59:51And I was just like, man, the Rams does know Cooper Cup better than anyone.
59:55And they decided that Cooper Cup was toast. I, them, it concerns me a little bit on Devante Adams.
60:01That said, he's going 56 overall in season long.
60:03I mean, that's pretty late for a guy that can score double digit touchdowns, 56 overall.
60:08So yeah, Evan, any more thoughts here on Devante Adams?
60:11I just agree. I just agree with Matt Harmon's point that it seems like the Rams offense is almost hanging by a thread.
60:17I mean, on down to, you know, what's going to happen with their left tackle?
60:22Is he going to get suspended? Matthew Stafford is, you know, old, had the back stuff last year, obviously made it through.
60:28It was the MVP, but can he do that again?
60:31Yeah. I mean, I think that they're kind of hanging by a thread.
60:35I think Devante Adams' career feels like it's hanging by a thread right now.
60:39You need him to score a ton of touchdowns to pay off as a fantasy pick because he's not going deep anymore.
60:45Yeah. No. So, I mean, what did he have?
60:48Like he had like 700 some yards last year.
60:50Yeah. You need him to score a ton of touchdowns.
60:53You need Matthew Stafford to almost get close to, what did he have?
60:57A 7.7% touchdown rate last year? That's probably going to regress.
61:00I don't really want Devante Adams this year. Yeah.
61:03Like I said, 56 overall. I want Puka Nakua.
61:05Well, yes. Yeah. Certainly want Puka Nakua. Yeah. Okay.
61:08And the Rams should have drafted Makai Lemon instead of Ty Simpson.
61:11Well, they should have drafted Casey Concepcion, but we'll leave it there.
61:15All right. A little bit of a different type.
61:17Okay. Let's go to another aging veteran. This one changed teams.
61:21AJ Brown is 29 years old now. The AJ Brown tape from last year is really tough.
61:25And I know Harmon looks at this way more than me.
61:29It seemed like at the beginning of the year, at least AJ Brown was so frustrated, pissed.
61:34Like he's a guy that actually, when he's not locked in mentally plays worse.
61:38And it felt like he wasn't locked in mentally.
61:40Maybe he was better towards the end of the year.
61:43I don't know what you think about throwing out tape Harmon, if you have this read on it or not, but where
61:49do you think AJ Brown is at in his career as he heads to new England at age 29?
61:55So yeah, AJ Brown's a tough one because I, again, I have made this mistake in the past where specifically with a
62:01guy like Alan Robinson, like I loved Alan Robinson as a player, but he had like small declines in his reception perception
62:08numbers at the end of his time with the bears.
62:11And I kind of waved those away. And I was super wrong about that because again, he was one of the guys
62:17that just, the next step was not a graceful decline.
62:20It was right off the cliff. So I worry about that with AJ Brown because he, again, he's one of my all-time
62:26favorite receivers of this era from 2020 to 2024.
62:29He averaged a 78.9% success rate versus man, 82.9% success rate versus press, like legit, legit, elite, elite numbers over 81% success rate versus zone.
62:36I mean, that's what the best receivers in the NFL, that's how they chart out.
62:40And he's been one of the best receivers in the NFL this past year.
62:44He dips down to 69.2%, 73% success rate versus man, 73% success rate versus zone and sub 66 against press.
62:50So declines across the board. And to, to your point, Adam, like if you do split the numbers up pre-buy post-buy, cause
62:56I don't, I don't really know how to quantify for sure.
63:00You know, is he out there loafing it or whatever, but the numbers post-buy are significantly better than pre-buy when he was
63:06kind of playing through a hamstring injury coming into the off season.
63:09And then he misses a game for the bite.
63:12Then he has the buy, he comes back and the numbers are better in the back half, but they are still overall
63:18a slight decline from those like truly elite numbers.
63:21So the question with Brown is just again, like what is the next step?
63:25Is it one more good year, two more good years?
63:28Cause even if it just those overall numbers that he's at right now, that could be like, I don't know, DK Metcalf
63:34or something like that, you know, which DK Metcalf is a perfectly fine starting X receiver.
63:39He's just not peak peak AJ Brown. And honestly, like you mentioned the Rams pursuit of AJ Brown, the way I've understood
63:45is that the reason they backed out of that is because they were worried about the medicals.
63:50And this is a 29 year old receiver with a bunch of lower body injuries in a weird way.
63:56The Rams pursuit of AJ Brown makes me feel worse about Devante Adams and AJ Brown.
64:00So honestly, look, if AJ Brown has a monster season in 2025 with the 2026 with the Patriots, I just think he
64:07should be like a one round cheaper in fantasy has been, has been my takes.
64:11Cause I think like 0% of the risk is baked into that cost.
64:15Yep. Yeah. I hear you for sure. One thing that I do think is that they are going to try to get AJ Brown volume.
64:22When you trade for AJ Brown, you know, he better get volume or he is going to cause a problem.
64:28So I think they will try to get him a ton of volume.
64:32I mean, look at Steph Diggs last year. Steph Diggs only played 57% of the snaps and he went over a thousand yards.
64:38Like I do not think volume is going to be the issue for AJ Brown.
64:43I do have some concerns about, yeah, he's expensive for a guy who is 29 with, with knee and hamstring issue.
64:49Also the role really is the question for him too, because he pretty much was just outside on ball last year and
64:55his final year in Tennessee with Mike Vrabel and actually the current receiver coach in new England was Todd Downing was the offensive coordinator.
65:02He played a career high percentage of snaps off the line of scrimmage.
65:06And funny enough, like the Patriots receiver room, if they keep Kayshawn booty is Dobbs, Brown booty.
65:11Those guys were all X receivers last year. So then moving AJ Brown around, I did a whole breakdown on this on my YouTube channel.
65:18If they do kind of have him as more of a move around player, I think that actually would, would help stave
65:24off some of the decline as opposed to just having him run go routes from the X receiver spot.
65:30All right. Yeah. Evan is significantly behind market on AJ Brown here.
65:3330th overall down a little bit recently. Yeah. 30th overall for Silva on AJ Brown against an ADP of 22 overall.
65:39I mean, it is tempting to be like, you know, is Drake made the best quarterback of AJ Brown's like career?
65:45Yeah. Yeah. And he is for sure. And so, all right, AJ Brown is pairing up with the best quarterback of his career.
65:52Let's go all in. But I think that there were some concerns, you know, and also, I mean, Howie Roseman traded him away.
65:59Howie Roseman, probably the smartest GM in the NFL.
66:01It's a little bit too many concerns for me to be drafting him at 22nd overall.
66:06I have him at 30. Yep. Okay. Let's go to another interesting one here, Harmon.
66:10And that is Mike Evans, who will turn 33 years old in a couple of weeks.
66:15The substation talk just won't stop with all these injuries.
66:18And like Mike Evans is not hurt, but he tweaked his quad or whatever earlier this week.
66:22It's not going to help. I honestly think that people are afraid to draft Mike Evans because of the substation.
66:28I'm not even exaggerating. I legit think people assume he's going to get hurt.
66:32He's 33 years old and he packs his next to substation.
66:35So I still thought he played pretty well last year when he was out there.
66:40We'll see what Harmon thinks though. Mike Evans here in San Francisco.
66:43What do you think, Harmon? Yeah. I do want to hear Evan give us a 20 minute breakdown on the substation, but we'll put a pin in that.
66:51I want to talk about your monster water jug that you just took a swill out of.
66:56Well, I saw you were trying to mock me with the like old plastic bottle there.
67:01So no, yeah, this is this is it. This is good engagement pay for you guys.
67:06Every time I take a drink out of the the big jug, I get like 20 YouTube comments on it.
67:11So hopefully this helps you guys as well. But no, yeah.
67:14Mike Evans, like I think he's played really well last year too when he was when he was out there.
67:20You know, he could still be press man coverage from the extra receiver position.
67:24Uh, the routes that he runs, like if you look at, I think one thing that was really misunderstood about the Niners
67:31offense last year is that they were counting on Brandon.
67:34I you to come back, which obviously did not work, did not happen, did not work out.
67:38So they had to kind of like cobble together the extra receiver position with Ricky Pierce saw moment of silence.
67:44Uh, and then Jawan Jennings is the outside on ball receiver.
67:47And, but if you look at like when they have a true X, like I you, they run all of the routes
67:54that Mike Evans is really still good at like dig routes, slant routes, obviously nine routes and out routes.
67:59Like it's, it fits really well for him, but honestly, like the best summary I've heard about, um, Mike Evans is outlook this year.
68:06I was on a show, um, with Scott Barrett and he said that his colleague, Ryan Heath said, whatever happens with Mike
68:13Evans is going to feel extremely obvious in hindsight.
68:15He's either going to stay healthy for like 14 games and score double digit touchdowns, or he's going to play five total games, probably three.
68:22And this is me now, uh, editorializing it. He's gonna play three at the start of the year, tweak his hamstring, come
68:29back for two, and then, then be out for the season.
68:32And like, that'll, that'll pretty much be it. So I have, I have no idea which one of those it is, but
68:38I still thought Evans played well last year and fits the offensive extremely well.
68:42I think he's got a really good year if he stays healthy.
68:46And so at an ADP, a Yahoo ADP of 60, like that's a buy for me of Mike Evans at 60.
68:52I'm not going to play so scared of the substation.
68:55I'm not taking Mike Evans, Kyle Shannon's ex-receiver at 60 overall, you know, like that, that would be a bridge too far
69:01for me to pass on that at 60 personally.
69:04Yeah. I'm at 50. You talk about another offense that feels like it's hanging by a thread.
69:09That's San Francisco. Um, you know, Christian McCaffrey's old and overworked.
69:12Mike Evans is old. Ricky Pierce all is already out for the year.
69:16They just had assigned Debo Samuel. Trent Williams is a million years old and injured.
69:20Their frigging head coach is injured. You know, like it, it seems like the bottom never falls out on San Francisco because
69:26they are so well coached and designed, but yeah, I mean, we could see some major moving parts in San Francisco this year, but I'm with you guys.
69:34Like if, and I love to hear that Harmon thinks that Mike Evans is still playing at a, at a high level.
69:41If everything goes right, if he stays healthy, Mike Evans is going to crush double digit touchdowns, 1200 yards.
69:46Um, yeah, I'm, I'm drafting him for his ceiling.
69:49He's got big time upside. Yeah. We're at 53 overall in the ETR, uh, half PPR ranks there on Mike Evans.
69:55Last aging vet to talk about is DJ more.
69:57So it's at least somewhat scary to me that Ben Johnson wanted to get rid of this guy.
70:03We'll always have that one incredible season that DJ more had with Justin fields where, I mean, that was just absolutely insane.
70:09Certainly ran really pure. I guess the question for a lot of people on DJ more is, is he good enough to
70:15consolidate targets in an offense, which historically has not really consolidated targets very much outside of the digs years, of course.
70:21So Harmon, what do you think about DJ more as Josh Allen's number one this season?
70:26Yeah. I honestly don't have like a high level of conviction on DJ more's production and like fantasy rankings or anything like that.
70:33Um, but I think cause the toughest part about it is that even beyond like the per route stuff, which I think
70:39can be a little bit Caleb Williams induced cause in his rookie year, he took a lot of sacks and throwaways and stuff like that.
70:46But you know, he just, he did, he has performed worse in reception perception, which the goal of the charting is to isolate players from surrounding variables.
70:54He has performed worse the last two years than in his best seasons, both, you know, in Carolina and the first year in Chicago.
71:01Now that being said, I think last year, if you wanted to give him a pass, he just did not fit Ben.
71:07He just doesn't fit Ben Johnson's offense in any way, because Ben Johnson, the two things that he really wants you to
71:14do is he wants you to run dig routes and out routes and be able to play multiple positions.
71:19And he wants you to be on time. He's a very, very detailed coach and DJ more like I like DJ.
71:25I've talked to DJ a lot over the years.
71:28Lucy goosey player. Okay. Like he's not really right and tight on the details.
71:32He won't always be in the right place, the right time, the right route depth and everything like that.
71:37And particularly his two kind of some of his worst routes is like out routes and dig routes.
71:43So that was the routes he ran the most often.
71:46But if you look at like his route chart, and I did a breakdown on this on Twitter, if you just want
71:52to search perception, perception more, you can find it like the routes he's still really good at are nine routes, curl route,
71:58slant routes, which are the routes that Joe Brady wants out of his primary X receiver.
72:03I mean, even freaking Keon Coleman is rookie year.
72:05Those are the routes that he was not running well, but the routes he was running a lot of.
72:11So you can paint a story where he fits this offense better.
72:14And he certainly fits Josh Allen much better from a quarterback perspective.
72:18I remember talking to Josh, like a few years ago when him and Steph digs were cooking.
72:23And he even said, like, I I've told Steph, I don't care about like the route depth or any of that, like just get open.
72:30And it's my job to find you. So I think that from a details perspective, it'll go a little bit better in
72:36Buffalo than it certainly did in Chicago, where he just wasn't a fit.
72:40But like I said, I based on just even still, you can, that's kind of painting a narrative, painting a story.
72:46And there's just no question that I think he has not played as well the last two years.
72:51And he did at his best. So it's kind of hard for me to have a lot of conviction on what he's
72:58going to do, but he will make their offense better that I feel pretty strongly about.
73:02This is one that we're actually behind in the TR ranks.
73:06We're at 57 overall on DJ more ADP is 52 on DJ more here for the bills.
73:10All right. Last category here, Harmon is everybody's favorite.
73:13The rookies want to start with Jordan Tyson, Jordan Tyson.
73:16I know a lot of people thought was maybe the best wide receiver in the draft.
73:21He does come off the board in the top 10, but as the second wide receiver off the board, they do not
73:27have a lot behind Alave and Tyson. There's a competition going on between Devon Vele and a bunch of dust balls for the number three.
73:34So we are expecting Jordan Tyson to play a ton of snaps.
73:38I mean, run a ton of routes as a rookie here.
73:41How do you think he will fare on those routes, Harmon?
73:44Yeah. Tyson wasn't one of my top two, uh, receiver prospects in this class.
73:48I had a couple of guys ahead of him.
73:51Uh, he was my fourth actually, cause I was a big Casey Concepcion guy.
73:55Um, but he did have a lot of encouraging marks in his profile, uh, 89th percentile success rate versus zone coverage.
74:01That only wasn't just the best in this year's class.
74:04That was the best, like one of the top four marks since 2021.
74:07So he's up there with some really promising receivers, including like Garrett Wilson and Drake London and Travis Hunter, uh, Jahan Dotson too.
74:14So you can, you know, obviously scroll past that name, but anyways, uh, yeah, Jordan Tyson though, I he's, he's good at
74:20certain things, but he's not to me, like his release moves against press needs some work.
74:25Uh, his like routes against man coverage are a little too over exaggerated, overrun at times.
74:30That being said for a guy that is his size beats zone coverage is really fluid.
74:34Him landing in new Orleans was like the perfect spot for him.
74:38Cause Kellen Moore, I really liked the way that offense is designed, especially with how much pre-snap motion there is.
74:44And they get like everybody snaps from the slot and off ball.
74:47You can honestly like paint a pretty good picture about how Chris Olave is kind of their top outside man coverage beating receiver.
74:54And yeah, Tyson's going to be that zone beater and eat up a ton of targets in the intermediate area where Tyler Shuck was great throwing the football.
75:02So, um, I obviously some red flags and Tyson's profile, I wouldn't say it was a totally clean prospect, but landed in
75:08the perfect spot for him to have a lot of both immediate and long-term success.
75:12Yeah. And this is one that I think is one of the better wide receiver picks on the board relative to ADP.
75:19I know Silva's in on Jordan Tyson here. Huge, huge.
75:22All right. Let's get to maybe a tougher one here.
75:25Harmon. Carnell take gets this absurd draft capital Titans surprisingly take him at four overall.
75:29The college production was not great. And that's always like, I don't want to say a flag, but I don't like, okay.
75:35He played with Jeremiah Smith. It doesn't excuse like never or rarely having really big games and sustained production.
75:41I think so. I don't know. Harmon many lands with the Titans who, you know, Juan Dale is there and Ridley is there also.
75:48So Harmon, what do you think about Carnell Tate's ability to have a year one impact here with the Titans?
75:53Yeah, I like Tate. He was my number one prospect in the class just because he's, I think really has a high floor.
76:00Um, he can win outside. He can win against man coverage.
76:03He can win on like the straight line vertical routes, which in Brian Dayball's kind of spread and shred offense with Cam Ward as the quarterback.
76:11If he's, if obviously Cam Ward can improve, which low bar, he was statistically one of the worst quarterbacks in the NFL last year.
76:18Like that's a good spot for Carnell Tate. Like his, the routes that Cam Ward's going to throw well, he, Carnell Tate runs those routes really well.
76:26However, I do think there's a lot of outcomes where like Wanda Robinson leads this team and catches because Robinson took a
76:32big step last year as an individual player. He knows day ball system and he's going to get like all the easy button targets.
76:39And that's a thing for Tate that he got basically no easy button targets last year, which I think is part of
76:45the context with the collegiate profile, like no screens, very few quick outs or slants.
76:49It's all just old school downfield receiver stuff. And I look at this receiver room in Tennessee right now, and especially again,
76:56in Brian Dayball's offense, like this is not Malik neighbors coming in here.
77:00Like neighbors is a, was a way better prospect.
77:02And I like tape, but Malik neighbors a way better prospect and can like move around the formation, get all the easy
77:09button targets that is probably not going to have with Carnell Tate.
77:12So it's funny when we came into redraft season, originally, I was like, I'm going to have Tate as the number one rookie receiver.
77:19And right now I still kind of do, but I do think Tyson's a guy I need to get a little higher
77:25on because I just think that offense is much better designed and fits his skills to a pretty good degree.
77:31Yeah. I've been taking Tyson ahead of Tate. And one of the reasons is what Harmon said, like if Calvin Ridley is
77:37best in the intermediate and Wanda Robinson's the best in the short, there's a lot of value.
77:42We just saw Alec Pierce get 84 million. There's a lot of value.
77:46These NFL teams think of a guy that goes deep and goes deep and can win.
77:51And like, so yeah, it's just tougher for me on Tate.
77:54So I do take Tyson ahead of Tate here for redraft personally.
77:57Oh, we mentioned my Kai Lemon a little bit when we talked about Devonta Smith.
78:02I think the question, the direct question to Harmon is if the Eagle is going to play a lot of two, two
78:08wide receiver sets, is Makai Lemon going to be pinned as this Jaden Reed, Josh Downs, early career type stuff where he is slot only?
78:15Or do you think the Eagles are willing and able to play Makai Lemon on the outside opposite Devonta Smith?
78:21I generally think like teams would be kind of crazy and the Eagles are a smart team to pay that kind of
78:27draft capital and then kind of pigeonhole them into that role.
78:31And I also think there's a lot of indicators in Makai Lemon's profile that he can do more than just play in the slot.
78:38I think he can at least be a Z and two receiver sets and coming, you know, Sean Manning coming from this
78:44Packers offense, like one of the things they did really well, and he just unfortunately this a lot with Dontabian Wicks, who's
78:50on the Eagles roster where they would use him as the Z and two receiver sets and motion him into the slot and run these out cuts.
78:58And that's some of, I mean, if you look at Makai Lemon's route tree, his outbreaking routes at both depths of the
79:04like flats and outs are some of his best routes.
79:07I actually think that's a good thing for people who are concerned about Makai Lemon fitting with Jalen Hurts and the over the middle stuff.
79:15Some of Makai Lemon's best stuff is like breaking routes outside the numbers.
79:18So I think that like marriage with Jalen Hurts in this new offense will be fine.
79:23Just a question of how much time can he get ramping up to the season?
79:27He's dealt with a hamstring injury in OTAs. He's dealing with a hamstring injury right now.
79:32And as I said with Luther Burden, like I hate when a rookie receiver misses any time in the offseason because it's
79:38just like these are very, very valuable ramp up reps and Lemon is not getting them right now.
79:43And like Wicks is still is definitely one of those guys that I like still have a candle lit for.
79:49I'm not saying he's gonna have a big breakout season, but I think he can still be a useful NFL player.
79:55Yeah. Lemon goes late, Evan. I mean, Lemon goes 95 overall.
79:58And you know, we're even been a little bit behind market on that.
80:02It's a scary fade to me just because it's like Harmon said, it's a good organization.
80:07Makai Lemon is a good player. And I do think that Jalen Hurts has been like somewhat unfairly maligned for not being able to support wide receiver.
80:15So it's a scary fade for me, but we do have a fade right now on Makai Lemon in the ranks for what it's worth.
80:22One of my concerns this year is that the Eagles turn into like a fairly low scoring defense oriented team.
80:28And they use a bunch of multiple tight end sets and they feed Saquon and Don Tavian Wicks is sort of rotating
80:34with Makai Lemon opposite Devante Smith, who is the alpha in the passing game.
80:38And there's just not a whole lot there for Makai Lemon to chew off.
80:42So I just, I don't know, but I mean, in terms of like bet on talent, he's a bet on talent pick.
80:48Yeah, no question. I mean, I know that Adam, Adam has been more optimistic about his fantasy outlook in year one than I have.
80:55Yep. Last rookie is one that we weren't going to talk about until the substation hit.
81:00And that is Dejan Stribbling. The substation got Pearsall.
81:03Christian Kirk is also on the sideline right now.
81:05And so everybody is talking about Stribbling as their favorite quote unquote sleeper.
81:09It's an interesting one to me, Harmon, because the prospect bros hated Stribbling so much.
81:13And if you listen to the reports, the NFL loved Stribbling so much, he ends up going 33 overall, right down the prospect bros esophagus.
81:21So Harmon, what do you think about Stribbling here who is now ticketed for what looks like a pretty big role for the 49ers?
81:27I mean, the substation kind of got him too, right?
81:30Like he's got a little bit of a hamstring thing.
81:33So, I mean, the substation is in mid-season form.
81:36So there is that, but no, I liked Stribbling.
81:38You know, I mean, I, we posted a video a couple of days before the draft where I said like he was my favorite day two sleeper.
81:46It's our most viewed YouTube video of all time.
81:49So shout out to Dejan Stribbling, you know, just a content machine, but he goes even higher than I had him ranked as a day two prospect.
81:57He goes obviously 33rd overall. And the reason is that like this guy is just a total coach's favorite.
82:02This is what happens when guys get boosted up late in the process.
82:06It's because that the coaches have, I all finally started watching prospects.
82:09And this guy is just total coaches catnip, especially this offensive system, because one, he's a great blocker in the run game.
82:16He catches everything and he's really good with the ball in his hands.
82:19Like this guy breaks tackles, but his overall route tree, like there's a lot of red in it, but you kind of
82:26need to give that some context because he's not going to run a ton of nine routes where he, and he did
82:32run a ton of nine routes at Ole Miss, but the two routes he's really good on are like routes breaking over
82:39the middle of the field, dig routes and slant routes.
82:41And that's what this offense wants from its, from his receivers.
82:45So, I mean, I think he could be like a Juwan Jennings plus type of player because he's way more athletic than
82:51Juwan Jennings, but he has the same like toughness.
82:54Like he breaks his routes off. Well, I think he could play, I think he could play Z.
82:59I think he could play slot. And I think he can dabble at the X receiver position if Mike Evans were to ever get hurt.
83:06So yeah, I like stripling. I don't think he's some kind of just joke.
83:10And I think he's like a legit player. Yeah.
83:13I mean, in my head, he's just like a much more athletic and better version of Juwan Jennings and Juwan Jennings had some very productive fantasy seasons.
83:20And the other thing I talked about on market Monday was you get the fragility on the other guys.
83:26Like we talk about the injury risk to Kittle, to Mike Evans, to CMC, all that stuff would be good for stripling also there.
83:33So yeah, I think he's a good pick for sure.
83:36I mean, he's been going way too late lately.
83:38That's for sure. Just to underline the athleticism advantage that does one stripling brings to the table over Juwan Jennings does one
83:45stripling ran four, three, six coming out. Juwan Jennings ran four, seven, two.
83:48So there, I mean, they're kind of on a different planet from a speed standpoint.
83:53For sure. All right. We now will give the floor to Matt Harmon.
83:57Let's start with your two most underrated wide receivers in the NFL.
84:00We're not talking fantasy here. I don't think Harmon, I think we want to do this under the terms of just real
84:06life NFL, two most underrated wide receivers in your head.
84:09Let's just do one first thing we can talk about it.
84:12And then we'll go to the other one. Yeah.
84:15One guy we already touched on was Josh Downs.
84:18And I mean, to be clear, I am drafting both of the guys I'm going to talk about here in underrated players
84:24in fantasy, because I think they're going way too late, but Josh Downs in particular, like there's just no reason why this
84:30guy, I think other than health can't handle 120 targets and be the leading receiver on the Colts this year.
84:36He beats man coverage at all three levels. Like I said, a Tyler Lockett type of player.
84:41Honestly, he's been, he's been a good NFL player.
84:44When he's been on the field, he's been a useful, productive player for the Indianapolis Colts.
84:48This hasn't had quite a big role yet. I think this is the year he gets a big role and just like,
84:55this is the Josh Downs season to me. Okay.
84:57Yep. We hit on that one. I totally agree.
85:00I think we all are in on Josh Downs this year.
85:03Let's go to your second most underrated wide receiver in the NFL.
85:06Yeah, this one's Roma Dunsay to me. And I look, I really liked Roma Dunsay as a prospect.
85:12I thought he had a solid rookie season. And like one thing that you said earlier, Adam was that like Ben Johnson
85:18inherited Roma Dunsay, which is true, but then he inherited Roma Dunsay and proceeded to run his entire offense through him in
85:24the first eight weeks of the season before he picked up the foot fracture.
85:28And when he Roma Dunsay played, I mean, he was, he was awesome to me outside of contested catch situations, which was a problem for him last year.
85:37And he does need to improve on that. But 85th percentile success rate versus man, 93rd percentile success rate versus press while
85:43not playing like an X only role. Again, I think people misunderstand that about Roma Dunsay.
85:47This guy played all three receiver positions last year, was in the slot on 29% of his sampled snaps outside on 64.9%.
85:54He was off ball on 47%. Like this is not just a vertical X receiver.
85:58He, he ran a ton of those breaking routes.
86:01We talked about the DJ Moore wasn't great on Roma Dunsay was awesome on those.
86:05He's a high end separator. Like you tell me, I can bet on a guy who does need to like tweak out some final details in his game.
86:13No question about it, but separates at that level and is playing in an off.
86:18Like what I, again, what I think is going to be a top three offense this year with one of the best
86:24coaches in the NFL with other good surrounding players and a quarterback that I think is ascending.
86:29Like I will make that bet every single day of the week.
86:32Good to hear him kind of clarify this stuff on the foot injury.
86:36Cause that would be the only kind of question I would, I would have for him is what like health levels yet.
86:42But I think this is to me again, in my opinion, this is a guy who already broke out last year and
86:49just suffered a foot fracture in the middle of the season.
86:52Yeah. People talk about the catchable target rate a lot on Rome.
86:55And to me, that kind of speaks to where these guys are used.
86:59Like Caleb is not that accurate. And so the deeper down the field you go, like your, your, your catch rate is going to go down.
87:07And so people are like, oh my God, the catchable target rate was so low.
87:11It's got to bounce back. Yeah. It might bounce back some, I don't think he's ever going to be like an elite catchable target guy.
87:18And as Harman said, he struggled in contested catches, which maybe speaks to Caleb a little bit, throwing them into contested stuff too.
87:25So I think just the role would better for burden.
87:28That is why I would take burden significantly ahead of Rome personally.
87:31But yeah, I know there's people out there that think Rome should go ahead of burden.
87:36I mean, I think that there's a scenario where all these guys smash for sure.
87:40First of all, I think you can paint a picture where the offense is fairly condensed, where you got three pass catchers
87:47and then you got the running backs, but Oduunze can get there.
87:50I, I've been lowest on Oduunze, but I don't want to end up with zero Oduunze because I, I think that all
87:56these dudes can smash Loveland burden, Oduunze, Swift, all these guys, because of the, the, the complexion of the offense, um, all
88:03these guys can get there and beat their ADPs.
88:05For sure. Certainly set up as a shootout team.
88:08All right, let's go to your two most overrated wide receivers in the NFL.
88:12Yeah. One is where she rice. I mean, only from like a fantasy perspective is he just, people think he's like what he's not.
88:19I mean, he's not bad at like his individual given role, like as a short route, you know, success rate versus own coverage is really good for him.
88:27The problem really is more so just the chiefs overall is they need somebody else to emerge.
88:32And like, I love Cyrus Allen. Cyrus Allen is my guy.
88:35Uh, like I've been saying since before the draft, well, since he was drafted by the chiefs is like, you get two beers in me.
88:42I would tell you that's the best separator, uh, on the chiefs roster.
88:46Uh, we, we took the countdown to zero. Uh, he is the best separator on the chiefs roster.
88:51Uh, he just needs to be out there because rice just has never been a good press man coverage beater.
88:57Like I was hoping last season that you go back and see like, Oh, he made a lot of steps as a route runner.
89:04You know, he was winning down the field. He just doesn't do it.
89:08And again, that's fine for his individual role, but you can't run a healthy passing offense through that guy when you don't have complimentary threats.
89:15And that's the thing. Like what makes me most nervous?
89:18I, I'm not going to say like, don't draft for she rice and fantasy because obviously if he's has the role that
89:24he had last year, he will smash and he'll be great.
89:27The problems with that though, is it like they did that last year and their offense had major problems doing that.
89:33And they bring in Kenneth Walker for a reason, I think to inherit a lot of those like extension of the run game targets.
89:40So yeah, I just wouldn't write it in pen that rice is going to have this role for the rest of his career.
89:47I think the chiefs would be pretty bad for that, especially cause like, honestly, he was worse last year from a separation
89:53standpoint, cause he was coming back from an injury and he's coming back from an injury again this year.
89:59So yeah, I think rice is a guy that is good at what he does.
90:03It's just like a limited picture, kind of like a poor man's Debo Samuel to me.
90:08Yeah. I don't love getting super high on a wide receiver who goes in the third round, whose offense is better when they don't go through him.
90:16You know, like that, that seems like a pretty bad thing.
90:19We are slightly below market market is around 29 overall on Rishi Rice right now.
90:23All right, Harmon. By the way, Evan is way down on Rishi rice 43 overall for Evan on Rishi rice here right now.
90:30All right. Last one, Harmon, your second most overrated wide receiver.
90:33Yeah, I think this guy's fine. Like I don't think Jordan Addison is a bad NFL player, but I kind of see
90:39him get grouped in with like, Oh, the, the, like some of the best number two receivers in the NFL.
90:45And I think he's like a fine number two receiver in the NFL.
90:49So I kind of struggled to pick like another guy that I thought is really overrated, but, um, I just kind of
90:55generally think that the whole Vikings ecosystem is a little bit overrated.
90:59The Justin Jefferson's awesome. You know, one of the best receivers of the reception perception era 2014 to current, but I think
91:05Addison's a guy who's like 56 percentile success rate versus man 20th versus zone.
91:09And he's really more of like a boomer bus downfield receiver to me.
91:13He's not a guy that runs a lot of routes, uh, closer to the line actually is 5.9% slant route rate is
91:19the second lowest I've ever charted in the history of reception perception.
91:23Like he runs a lot of these boomer bus downfield routes.
91:26He's pretty good at those, but I think it's a little bit more volatile maybe than his profile is credited.
91:32I mean, I'm getting scared on Addison, not just because of what Harmon said, which I certainly, um, respect, but also like
91:38if Kyler Murray can't just ice JJ McCarthy in this quarterback competition, what does that say about Kyler Murray?
91:43You know? So, and Kyler Murray got benched for Joey Bursette and got outplayed by Joey Bursette.
91:48So like I'm starting to get a little queasy on both Justin Jefferson and Jordan Addison, um, where they go.
91:54So yeah. Um, all right. This was awesome. Learned a ton.
91:57Harmon, tell the people where they can find you and where they can find your work.
92:02Yeah. Uh, Yahoo fantasy forecast is live, uh, five days a week, Sunday to Thursday, uh, wherever you get your podcast, YouTube
92:08channel, uh, as well, Josh and Hayden in the mix now as well.
92:12So just hell of a time to be at Yahoo, but reception, perception.com.
92:16If you like anything that you heard here today, um, reception, perception is, is bigger and better than ever.
92:21Uh, we got a new player comparison tool, my dynasty rankings, you compare them to the market and I'm still putting out
92:28profiles every single Monday leading up till August 31st for our last call drop.
92:32So it should have 70 players, 60 to 70 players, uh, just NFL players, not many more prospects over 30 prospects.
92:38In addition to that on the site, by the time week one rolls around, if you liked what you heard today, you will definitely like reception, perception.com.
92:46All right. Reception is awesome. Check it out for sure.
92:48And as always, thank you, Matt, for all of the time for Evan, for Matt, for producer, Luke, producer, Ryan.
92:54I am Adam. Good luck. Everybody.

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