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2:15What a play! Can you believe this? No, I can't.
2:18It's time to dominate your fantasy league. Off to the races, and he stays at his feet.
2:23Now, here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, and Heath.
2:26Week 4 recap. Oh, Heath's got the Chiefs jersey.
2:29You didn't have that on this morning, did you?
2:32No, no. I generally have it on when it's a 4.30 game, because as soon as the game's over, I go upstairs.
2:39Okay. All right, all right. Looking good. Yeah, an exciting win for the Kansas City Chiefs.
2:44Exciting day of football. Not quite like last week, but let's do the quick fantasy feud, basically.
2:49Give me the top five answers around the board.
2:52Top six answers. Non-decimal scoring. Who are your top six players in PPR leagues right now?
2:57Quarterback, whatever. Yeah, Heath. Heath. CeeDee Lamb. Number one.
3:00Pass or play? I'll pass. Okay, Dave, you're up.
3:03Keep naming. Kyron Williams. Kyron Williams, number two. Jamie, you're up.
3:07Kenneth Walker. Kenneth Walker is, yes, tied for fifth.
3:09Heath, back to you. No, I passed. Okay, Jamie, back to you.
3:13Kyle Mononga. No, good guess. Dave. Nico Collins. Yes, he is tied with Kenneth Walker.
3:18Heath, back to you. I passed. Okay, Dave, back to you.
3:21I passed. It's Drake May and it's Javante. Wait, I thought it was non-quarterbacks or anybody.
3:26I said quarterback. I said everything. Quarterback. So anyway.
3:29Drake May. Lamb, Kyron. Drake May. Drake May, Javante, Ken Walker, Nico Collins.
3:33Your six best scores. Just take anybody against Houston.
3:36They have the worst defense in the league. Apparently, apparently.
3:39Yeah, pretty surprising stuff there with some career days.
3:42CeeDee Lamb had 21 targets and 17 catches. Those were career highs.
3:46Kyron Williams had 10 catches. That was a career high.
3:49The Eagles, I heard this on Red Zone. Eagles went 0 for 12 on third down.
3:54Worst third down. I mean, obviously, worst third down rate, but for that many in team history.
4:00Worst third down performance in Eagles history. 0 for 12.
4:03And Trey McBride had 31 yards. I believe they're 0 for 18 in their last game and a half.
4:09Oh, boy. Trey McBride had 31 yards on 12 targets.
4:12That is the fewest amount of yards on any of his 22 career games with double-digit targets.
4:17I told you it wasn't going to be good.
4:20Did you? No. 0 for 17. They were 0 for 5 in the second half against the Bears last week.
4:26So 0 for 17 in their last third down.
4:29Oh. Last six quarters. Wow. All right. Let's talk about some good stuff here.
4:34Biggest winner today, Jamie. Jamie, who's the biggest winner?
4:36I mean, make an argument for Drake May. You know, after what the season has looked like for him and the way that he performed today.
4:45And now the schedule is starting to get a little bit lighter.
4:48And hopefully, A.J. Brown, you know, we got a positive report over the weekend that he's making progress.
4:54So, you know, if he can come through this and start to, you know, give you some solid fantasy production leading into A.J.
5:01Brown's return, you're going to be thrilled about that.
5:04So excited to see that. And, you know, just because he's on the screen, Malik Neighbors as well.
5:10I think I was the most optimistic about Neighbors going into this weekend.
5:14And it was mostly just to do with the matchup, you know.
5:18So I didn't think that everything was as bad as it seemed because, for Neighbors at least, you know, getting banged up
5:25in the Rams game and losing dart. And then playing that bad game in the weather.
5:30So this was a game that I wanted to see him, you know, come out and perform well.
5:36And he did, you know, so Neighbors, I think, is back in our good graces as no worse than a number two
5:42receiver, if not, you know, borderline number one guy again.
5:46Especially given the injuries to the position. All right.
5:48So usually we just do that, the biggest winner, biggest loser.
5:52But I think right now we'll just do all the winners.
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6:13And Whoop is spelled W-H-O-O-P. Join.whoop.com slash FFT. So Jamie has Neighbors and Drake May.
6:18And Neighbors is at Washington and then New Orleans the next two weeks.
6:22And May. So I think when you talk about May, Dave has Armandre Stevenson.
6:27Heath has Romeo Dobbs. All of you picked a Patriot as a winner.
6:31And the Patriots, of course, with their best game of the season, their first win, they go to Buffalo and put up 20.
6:38Their second win. Oh, that's right. They beat the Steelers.
6:41Their second win. They're 2-2. They go to Buffalo.
6:44They put up 29 points. Drake May is your number one quarterback.
6:48But, Dave, what are you thinking? You've had Armandre on there as a winner.
6:52He has a touchdown. But what do you think about the Patriots in general?
6:57In general, it's an encouraging sign that they're able to put this together and have a functional offense.
7:02I think part of this did have to do with Buffalo's defense not being great.
7:07They're terrible. Yeah. This is going to be a problem.
7:10Well, this was the third highest point total against Buffalo this year.
7:14That's saying. Only the Chargers have been worse. Yeah.
7:17And I think it's going to be great for fantasy production for our favorite Bills players.
7:22But I worry about what it means for Buffalo's defense.
7:25Every game might be the same for them because they just – Greg Russo can get to the quarterback.
7:31I don't know if anybody else really can. I know that they had a bunch of injuries.
7:36Benford didn't play, and then they lost another corner in the game.
7:40So we'll see how Buffalo can get better defensively, but you almost don't want them to so that everybody will play in a shootout.
7:48Who has the best defense in the AFC? Who has the best defense in the AFC?
7:53I don't know. I mean, Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Denver. It might – you could make the case for Cleveland because they – I
8:00think – But Rodgers had a great game against them on three.
8:04They don't – You can't make that argument. Yeah, I can't.
8:07I mean, the Dolphins don't give up touchdowns. Oh, sure.
8:10It's not them. The Chiefs have a great – I think – the Raiders have a legit defense, I think.
8:16The Raiders have a good defense. The Raiders have a good – The Chiefs defense is fine, but it's not one of the best in the AFC.
8:25Well, whose is then? I mean, what do we – you can't – That's why I'm asking it.
8:31You know who it could be? You know who it could be is Jacksonville.
8:35That's a great call. I don't know, man. That is a great call.
8:39I think Jacksonville might end up having – They might have the best defense for now.
8:44But they've got – they're getting turnovers. They're stopping the run.
8:48And they're getting pressure on quarterbacks. I had to talk with Pete Prisco about this today.
8:53That they're just not, like, finishing their pressures as much as Pete would like.
8:57But they're doing some good things on defense. Put me down for Jacksonville.
9:01Okay. Heath – well, Dave, why don't you talk about your other winner, Tucker Craft?
9:06Well, I was going to talk about the real winners, which are doctors, trainers, and physical therapists around the National Football League
9:13because they're going to be able to work on a bunch of players that got hurt again.
9:18More injuries again. It's annoying again. But Tucker Craft, seven-plus targets, second week in a row, had the touchdown this week to go with it.
9:26I think it's encouraging signs. I think it's steps forward for him.
9:30His playing time has been up now. I think it's three straight games.
9:34So I feel like Tucker Craft can be a tight end that we can feel okay starting.
9:39And as for Ramondre, not the most efficient stat line, but he went right back.
9:44It's been two weeks now. He's back to being the primary runner for New England.
9:49Dominated on third downs. All their snaps inside the five.
9:52Kind of had it last week, too. And he did get hurt a little bit at the end, so hopefully he's fine.
9:59But as long as he's fine and the schedule's great moving forward, I think you can start Ramondre as at least a low-end number two running back.
10:08Stevenson's dominating the passing downs, but hasn't Henderson had more carries the last two weeks?
10:12No, they're almost even. But Ramondre's... Hasn't Henderson had more carries the last two weeks?
10:17No, I think they're tied. Oh, Henderson had more today.
10:20I thought he had one more last week, too.
10:23Oh, damn it. Oh, yes, you're right. Oh, okay.
10:26One more each week. Damn it. Oh! Right, but we know that there's more to it than just getting a lot of
10:33carries, and certainly playing time is still favoring Ramondre.
10:36Yeah, so you're right. Ramondre's going to have the catches.
10:39They're splitting carries evenly, but... Goal line work. Ramondre's working at the goal line.
10:43There was a play in this game where Travion carried down to the two-yard line, maybe the one-yard line.
10:49He came out. Ramondre came in. Yeah, look, I mean, I guess I'd like to see another good performance before I just
10:56like, oh, yeah, I'm in on the Patriots. Heath, you had Romeo Dobbs as one of your winners.
11:02Matt Collins got hurt in this game. Dobbs was only started in 13% of leagues.
11:07He's actually available in 30% of our leagues. Six caches, 58 yards, two touchdowns on nine targets.
11:12And still, he somehow made a terrible blunder that almost cost him the game.
11:16But I think he was responsible for Drake May's interception, wasn't he?
11:20Right, it was kind of deflected. But it was two out of three games now where he's the primary pass catcher for Drake May without A.J.
11:28Brown. I think that should be the expectation going forward, at least until A.J.
11:33Brown's back. I think you can view him as a low-end wide receiver three next week.
11:38Sure. Matt Collins got hurt in this game also, so that could open up some targets for him.
11:44Yes. And Efton Chisholm came in for Matt Collins and caught an impressive touchdown.
11:48Awesome touchdown catch. So they get the Raiders next week.
11:51It's a very interesting game. The Raiders can really rush the passer.
11:55I mean, that is their strength right now, I'd say.
11:58And also, yeah, Hunter Henry with five targets. That's the Patriots.
12:02Now, Emmanuel Wilson, I'm actually a little annoyed by this because I got a lot of Charbonnet waiting to come back.
12:08Did Emmanuel Wilson just solidify a role for himself, Heath, with 24 touches, two touchdowns?
12:13And, you know, he's had a solid year so far for Seattle.
12:17So I think, like, Charbonnet wasn't ever going to come back and handle 70% of the work, I didn't think.
12:23And with Price being on IR, I would say that Wilson has secured a role for himself for a while.
12:29I'm not sure about for the rest of the season.
12:32I don't really expect Charbonnet to be back to playing next week.
12:36Maybe he will be. But with somebody coming off the injury he did, I'd think they'd like to give him a couple weeks of practice.
12:44So I think Wilson's probably a number two running back next week.
12:48Performed well. The rushing average got hurt a little bit by some rush attempts late in the game when everybody in the
12:55stadium knew they were going to run the ball.
12:58But maybe most importantly, involved in the passing game and did well in that area too.
13:03There's just the wild card in all this is the Joe Mixon visit to Seattle.
13:07And do they decide to sign Mixon? If they sign Mixon, then we're in trouble across the board because it's another player
13:14that's in the mix and clearly the best resume of anybody that would be on that roster.
13:20So if I was Joe Mixon, I would try and get a flight to Philadelphia.
13:25They may need some running back help over there.
13:27I would stay away from Seattle for now. Okay.
13:30Well, there you have. We have three Patriots on our winners list.
13:34We have Tucker Craft, Malik Neighbors, and Emmanuel Wilson.
13:37Jamie, are you going to trust Malik Neighbors in a bad matchup?
13:41Define a bad matchup. Philadelphia in a few weeks.
13:43Houston's on the schedule. I mean, what's Quinion Mitchell's status after leaving today?
13:48I mean, who cares? It's like Houston in three weeks.
13:51So I'll say this. I think Malik Neighbors is back to being easy matchups.
13:55He's going to be somewhere in the top 15.
13:58Bad matchups, he's somewhere in the top 24. So it's just this was what you wanted to see.
14:04Now, did he have the over-targeted game from Jameis Winston when they scored 30-plus points?
14:08No. That was Isaiah Likely today. But you saw that Jameis can make Malik Neighbors a fantasy star.
14:14And that's what I wanted to see. I was really nervous after that first catch.
14:19Yes. He landed on his shoulder and grabbed the shoulder and went off to the sideline.
14:24But he came back in and played great. Yeah.
14:27I think I just – I didn't mean to say like, oh, who cares about Quinion Mitchell?
14:32He's a great cornerback and it obviously matters. But I think my point was more like as I'm watching the Giants, I
14:39think they can do okay against Arizona and Washington next week.
14:42I don't – I mean – First place Giants.
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14:50Yes. You know what this is though? This is prolonging the bet.
14:54The longer that they stay in playoff contention, you don't have to go to the Bears.
14:59Jeez. No, you might get a gift next week if Huntley starts.
15:03Yeah, I know. And maybe Zay will have a game to bring it back into contention because – I think it's pretty clear who is this year's JSN.
15:12You know, that question got asked so many times that I think we have the answer and it's Zay Flowers.
15:18Right. This guy is insane. Thank you to – Zay-SN.
15:21Hey, I love it. Thank you to – I mean prior to this week, Parker Washington was in that discussion too.
15:28Maybe, but Parker Washington had what, five targets last week?
15:31Three this week I think? Like JSN – No, this week was bad.
15:35Zay-SN is being targeted. Zay's also missed the game.
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15:48Amazing in week one, he played a half. Amazing in week three, he played 33% of the snaps.
15:54Amazing at halftime of week four. And Lamar Jackson didn't play the entire second half.
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19:34Back here with our big losers for fantasy week four.
19:38And Heath is going to talk about Dalton Trumbo, a famous American screenwriter who wrote Roman Holiday.
19:43Dalton McGinty, a Canadian politician. Dalton Rapatoni, an American singer.
19:46Dalton Connect. These are just famous Daltons, according to Google.
19:49But also Dalton Kincaid and Dalton Schultz. Go ahead.
19:52The Daltons at tight end were a disaster. And I don't have any great explanation for it.
19:57But I think like Dalton Schultz just completely not involved.
20:01Although part of a very cool and very important play on a hook and ladder.
20:05But they had five tight end targets and only two of them went to Dalton Schultz.
20:10Dalton Kincaid was invisible for the first 90% of this football game.
20:14I think if somebody wants to drop Dalton Schultz, I'd have a hard time arguing against them.
20:20And Dalton Kincaid, it's funny. Like we all kind of ranked him just outside of the top 12 tight ends.
20:26And then as soon as he had two great games, he was right back.
20:30He was up into the top five. And I think he's probably right around 12 again.
20:35And I'll throw in a bonus loser because no one else added him.
20:39And I hadn't seen the Ben Johnson quote before I sent in my losers.
20:44But Dalton Dre Swift benched for fumbling. And Kyle Mononga was awesome.
20:48Definitely a loser for him as well. Well, Mononga may have broken his thumb.
20:52Yeah, Mononga got hurt late in the game. I didn't see the quote from Ben Johnson.
20:57What is that quote? It had nothing to do with injury.
21:01No, no, no. I know he got benched for fumbling.
21:04Kyle Mononga hurt his thumb. Oh, I didn't see a quote about that.
21:08No, no. What was the quote about DeAndre Swift?
21:11It was that his benching had nothing to do with injury.
21:14Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Okay. Yeah. I thought maybe when it happened, he just re-aggravated the knee injury that he'd missed practice on Thursday with.
21:22No. Yeah, this one I actually did catch, unlike last week with Jadarion Price.
21:27This one I did catch. That was DeAndre Swift getting benched for fumbling.
21:31And also it happened to Caleb Johnson. And he was having a pretty good game and he fumbled kind of going into the end zone for the Packers.
21:40And his coach, Matt LaFleur, said, I think he's the one who said, if you're going to fumble, you're not going to play or something like that.
21:48So. The funny thing was, it was just like you said, only, I think, reversed from the prior week.
21:54Marshawn Lloyd fumbled on the drive before that. It went out of bounds.
21:58It was fine. I know. Hypocrite. All right. Dave, you've got this one.
22:02Oh, this one really grinds my gears, man. Jeremiah Love.
22:06Both of these grinds my gears. Go ahead. Jeremiah.
22:08Well, like Josh Downs, okay, he had a bad game.
22:12Jeremiah Love, like the role was bad too. But yeah, you have Love and Downs.
22:16So starting with Downs, Daniel Jones was just an abomination for pretty much the entire game.
22:21And just throwing short off target. It was ugly.
22:24It was really tough to watch if you were a Josh Downs fantasy manager.
22:29And as long as Daniel Jones just doesn't get out of this funk, I don't know how you can feel good.
22:35Or Daniel Jones getting out of the funk, I don't know how you can feel good about starting Josh Downs.
22:42He's more of a number three receiver. I think it's pretty easy to start Malik Nabors pretty much moving forward over Josh
22:49Downs, which is something that I did not do personally today.
22:52And I'm paying for it in one of my leagues.
22:55As for Jeremiah Love, he said after the game, talking about this workload split, quote, this is probably going to be the longest year of my life.
23:04And then Mike LaFleur in his press conference explained that Tyler Algier is essentially their third down back, two-minute offense back.
23:10And that's going to continue to be the case.
23:13And we saw it play out. If you look at the snaps between the Cardinals running backs today, Algier had the lead.
23:20It was 54% for him. Jeremiah, 46%. Algier had the lead on third downs.
23:24Seven snaps inside the five for the Arizona Cardinals.
23:27How many do you think Jeremiah had? Zero. Zero, not one.
23:31So we're right back to where we were two, three weeks ago with Jeremiah Love.
23:36Can't trust him as a top 15 type of fantasy running back.
23:39Went up against the Giants and could not do very well with it.
23:43Yeah, very disappointing. It was the goal line stuff that really bothered me.
23:48And the reason, I think, is because it wasn't like that last week.
23:52So maybe it won't be like that next week.
23:54But obviously, we can't look at Jeremiah Love and say he has some solidified goal line role.
24:00All right. Heath had Dalton, Schultz, and Kincaid as losers.
24:03Dave had Jeremiah Love and Josh Downs as losers.
24:06Dave, you're offered right now DeAndre Swift for Jeremiah Love.
24:09What do you do? I'm probably going to take it, assuming that I'm comfortable with Swift getting his role back and that
24:16his benching was just a one-week thing. Heath, you're offered right now.
24:20Hold on. I'll tell you in a second. You're offered right now Omarian Hampton and Khalif Raymond for Christian McCaffrey.
24:26What do you say? I'm going to go ahead and keep Christian McCaffrey on that one.
24:31Yeah, me too. I just want to make sure I wasn't crazy because Jamie proposed it to me.
24:37So I just thought maybe I'm missing something here.
24:40Well, I know you're a big Wiz Khalifa guy from this morning.
24:43I think I'll offer you one of your favorite players.
24:47I'll throw in Omarian Hampton. Everybody hates Raymond. All right, Jamie, your losers were Devontae Adams.
24:52Four catches for 32 yards on nine targets. Another game where Matthew Stafford threw about 50 passes.
24:57And Jalen Hurts did score 17.5 fantasy points against the Rams, but threw for 93 yards.
25:02So Adams and Hurts. Yeah, Hurts, look, it's frustrating.
25:05And, you know, you can give him a pass on the fact that no Devontae Smith, no Dallas Goddard.
25:11Barkley gets hurt early in the game and no Lane Johnson starts the game.
25:15You know, so he's down arguably his most important teammates to help him out.
25:20That being said, he has not played well really for the last three games.
25:24And if he doesn't have his weapons going into week five, I don't think you consider him a starting fantasy quarterback because
25:31he just looks absolutely awful right now. For Devontae Adams, we talked about this.
25:35Did we miss our sell-high window on Devontae because Puka coming back?
25:39And the answer for at least one week is yes.
25:42So the nine targets is great. He had a couple bad drops, which is not typical of Devontae Adams.
25:48But we had this whole disconnect with him and Stafford last year, and we're seeing it a little bit right now.
25:55And I think it was just going to be a situation.
25:59When Puka's on the field, if he's not scoring touchdowns, this is what you're going to get.
26:04Because it's what happened last year when he wasn't scoring touchdowns.
26:07So I'm just a little bit nervous that Devontae Adams is not going to be a top 15 caliber wide receiver.
26:14You're still going to start him most weeks because nine targets for Matthew Stafford, that's usually going to be a good formula for success.
26:22And they get Buffalo next week. So he's going to still be a top 24 receiver.
26:27But again, miss the sell-high window on not getting rid of Devontae Adams when he could have.
26:32Stafford was not very good for most of this game.
26:35No. And that's not been that unusual this season.
26:38Yeah. I mean, I tend to agree, right? I don't think he played all that well against Denver either.
26:44He just threw the ball so much and made some plays.
26:47Well, he's got six interceptions. I mean, that's not great through four weeks.
26:52Yeah. Meanwhile, we didn't talk about Kyron, but the fact that Kyron Williams has two straight games with at least five catches, I think.
26:59He dominated playing time. He sure did. Yeah. He's running away with it.
27:03And I'm going to give you a bonus loser here.
27:06And it's the Bucs. And it's Bucky Irving. I mean, of all the things I saw today, I think what incensed me
27:13the most was Sean Tucker being their short yardage and goal linebacker.
27:17I loved it. Why don't you love it? It's anarchy.
27:20It's anarchy. It's horrible. He's really good at it.
27:23He's been a passing game confidently. And now, Bucky's tough, right?
27:27What do you think about Bucky? He's tough to start.
27:30Yep. Yes. Very tough to start. Like, I think there's some guys that are not necessarily, and I think you look at the Chiefs.
27:37Like, what did Kareem Hunt have last year? Like, an 80% success rate on second and third and one and two?
27:44And Ken Walker's at about 50% this year. Like, Kareem Hunt's not better than Kenneth Walker, but he might be better at that one specific thing.
27:52Well, I hated it. All right, got an injury update on DJ Moore.
27:56So let's go through our news and notes here.
27:59That was a tough one, DJ Moore. He's been really frustrating for fantasy managers, no doubt about it.
28:05Okay. Lamar Jackson. They're calling it day-to-day with an ankle injury.
28:08Marcus Mariota, that looks more like a long-term one with a knee injury, re-aggravating his MCL injury for Mariota.
28:14And Jaden Daniels maybe plays next week, or we'll get Kaliak Manas again.
28:18I think we're going to see Jaden Daniels. I hope so.
28:22I hope so. Well, it's the Giants, so I hope Kaliak Manas.
28:26But no, for our purposes, yeah. That'd be great.
28:28Ramondre. Did Ramondre leave with a knee injury, Dave?
28:31He left at the very end of the game.
28:34I don't know how serious it is. Okay. So we'll keep an eye on Ramondre.
28:39Monongai with the thumb. Swift, the fumbles. Barkley, first quarter, he left almost immediately.
28:43Tank Bigsby apparently got banged up late in the game.
28:46I don't think that's anything serious, but you never know.
28:50So we'll be talking about that. They look bad.
28:52With Bigsby? Yeah, he was on the ground. It looked like his groin area.
28:57I don't know. Okay. Maybe it was worse than I thought.
29:00They went from Saquon to Shipley in one game.
29:03And, yeah, I mean, honestly, it's too much of a split right now between Shipley and Bigsby.
29:09But Bigsby would be the preferred guy if he were healthy and Barkley were out.
29:13They're at Jacksonville. Best defense in the AFC, says Dave, next week.
29:17Green Bay running back Chris Brooks left with an ankle injury.
29:21We saw some progress from the run game. We saw Caleb Johnson having a pretty decent game, and then he fumbled.
29:27And at least Lloyd was involved in the passing game, and they get Chicago next week.
29:32I mean, there should be a lot of points scored for Green Bay against Chicago, Dallas, and Detroit in their next three games.
29:39And Carolina. And then Carolina after that, yep. I know it's the Jets, but it's another good week of defense from Chicago.
29:46True. You're right. Yeah. Kyle Juszczyk left with a knee injury.
29:50That one looked kind of bad. Yep. And wide receivers.
29:53We had Rasheed Rice leaving almost immediately. They go into their bye week at least, but Rasheed Rice got hurt quickly there.
30:00And then Taekwon Thornton left late in the game with a gruesome ankle injury.
30:04DJ Moore, shoulder injury. So I guess the report here is that it's not considered to be a long-term issue, according to Adam Schefter.
30:12But I think we're all pretty frustrated with it.
30:15Jamar Chase left in the second quarter. We'll wait to get an update.
30:19They've got Miami this upcoming week and then a bye.
30:22Concussion, right? You mentioned that it's a concussion. Oh, it's a concussion.
30:26Yeah. He is in the concussion protocol. So if he's healthy, he'll play against Miami.
30:31We have our new tight end to go pick up this week.
30:34Mike Kosicki. Revenge game against the Dolphins who just gave up.
30:38Well, Higgins also got hurt. Higgins came back though, right?
30:41He did. Okay. But we'll keep an eye on that.
30:44Sometimes they are able to come back and then, you know, the adrenaline wears off, whatever.
30:49Pat Bryant injury. Jalen Lane, serious injury. Malik Neighbors with that shoulder injury that popped up again, but he came back in.
30:56Jalen Naylor, concussion. Mack Hollins, calf. Lad McConkie exit.
30:59Came into the game with a foot injury. Had two targets.
31:02No catches. Left with a foot injury. Lad McConkie.
31:05Very frustrating start to the season. Baltimore. They're down to their fourth string center.
31:10They lost one of their guards. Andrew Voorhees to a foot injury.
31:14Joe Alt left. Right tackle for the Chargers. Joe Alt left with an injury.
31:18It's just not Herbert's fault. What's his name left too?
31:21Who was Slater? The other tackle. Sean Slater. Slater, yeah.
31:24Slater got banged up. Yeah, they were down to one of their starting offensive linemen for the year.
31:30Oh my. In week from the... Go get Zach Morris.
31:33And you know... What about AC Slater? It's just not Herbert's fault.
31:37The linebacker shouldn't have been standing there. He should have just given Herbert a cleaner path.
31:42It doesn't happen to anybody else. Minnesota lost two linemen too.
31:45Well, at least Darasaw was evaluated for a concussion.
31:48I don't know if he came back. Darasaw came back.
31:51Okay, good. But Donovan Jackson left with a knee injury.
31:55A guard. And there are some defensive injuries we'll keep an eye on.
31:59Jaguars had two safeties leave with injuries. One of them was a starter.
32:03The other one was more of a special teamer.
32:06And blah, blah, blah. Early waiver wire. Jamie, any big time names for the waiver wire this week?
32:11I mean, it's time to stop ignoring Kirk Cousins at this point.
32:15It's just another strong game for him fantasy-wise. And the Kubiak system is just great.
32:20The touchdown to Ian Thomas was fantastic. Brock Bowers making plays for him.
32:24Trey Tucker's made some plays for him. It's just Cousins playing well.
32:28So when we're looking at now no Bryce Young or Patrick Mahomes with their bye weeks.
32:33And we don't know if Jaden Daniels is coming back.
32:36And just the way quarterback play has been so far.
32:39It's time to look at Kirk Cousins as an option.
32:42I don't know off the top of my head.
32:45Maybe you have in front of you what Emmanuel Wilson's roster percentage is.
32:49Yeah, it's 60-64%. Yeah, I mean, he's the prize.
32:52Huh? You just made it. Yeah, he's the prize if he's still available.
32:56I don't know where the Dolphins ended up settling.
32:59But Ollie Gordon looked fantastic. He should be considered one of the bigger winners.
33:0378% for him. 57% for Jalen Wright. Of the week.
33:06Wide receiver. Yeah. I guess Romeo Dobbs is going to be on the list.
33:11Keon Coleman. Cardinal Tate's going to be on the list.
33:14Keon Coleman. He's going to be on the list.
33:17Roman Wilson's going to be on the list. Mm-hmm.
33:20Yeah. I'm really happy for all the Ollie Gordon fab winners.
33:23You know, they spent too much. They got laughed at.
33:26They got laughed at at the end of the week because of the Jalen Wright reports.
33:31And then they probably left him on their bench.
33:34But. 14% started. He'll be a nine carry. We're going to roll about there next week.
33:39I don't know how good he'll do against Cincinnati.
33:42You know, they started this game like at halftime.
33:45They were even in terms of reps between Wright and Gordon.
33:48And then Gordon ripped off a long run early in the third quarter.
33:53And the coaches were like, hey, that's enough for us.
33:56He's the hot hand. And he actually had a number of very good runs.
34:00So. You look great. Yeah, he did. He sure did.
34:03There's no point in saying otherwise. And Wright botched a kick return.
34:07Like. It was all Ollie all the time. Ollie, Ollie, oxen free.
34:11One person in the chat. He wasn't free. Holly, Ollie, you weren't free.
34:15Yeah, right. You were very expensive. Yes, you were.
34:18This guy's name is Lad, which is appropriate because he brings up Trey Harris.
34:22Trey Harris. Like. He has some good catches. Yeah, you see the stats of this game.
34:27A lot. A lot late. They were trailing and they put up some numbers.
34:32But. Yeah. He's got another injury on the first play for the Panthers.
34:36Tommy Tremble. McConkie could be out. Could miss some time.
34:39And. Yeah. Trey Harris. Trey Harris is interesting. Plus, the Broncos actually lost both starting cornerbacks.
34:44Sertan and Riley Moss. And that's who the Chargers play next week.
34:48Okay. What else we got? That's the early look at the waiver wire.
34:52For the shallower leagues, I'll bring up Xavier Worthy.
34:55Because I think he could be kind of used like.
34:58Like was she rice. If Rice were to miss time.
35:01But they are going. I mean, it could be.
35:04It could be Cyrus Allen. It could be. Who am I biking on?
35:08Jailer. Yeah. Those guys. I really kill. Yeah. All right.
35:11Let's see. Did they go get Juju? Juju is the immediate fix?
35:15He is generally the Rashi Rice fix. Yeah. The band-aid.
35:18So looking at some of the goal line work that stood out.
35:22I think Ramondre. Sean Tucker. We talked about that.
35:25Tony Pollard. Dominated at the goal line. Basil Tootin had a three.
35:29Basil Tootin had two touchdown runs called back today, didn't he?
35:32Yes. He had a three-yard touchdown run called back.
35:35So DeAndre Swift had two. That was reversed. That was the same drop.
35:39Like actually called touchdowns and reversed. Yeah. And. Jags had a bunch of big plays called back.
35:44Who did? Didn't the Jaguars have like two big plays called back?
35:48Yeah. They had 10 penalties for 100 yards in the first half.
35:52Yeah. Two down to 44-yard touchdown called back. Not a good day for Scadaboo.
35:56Now, in terms of goal line, I can't really say it was Najee Harris.
36:01But Najee did score on a two-point conversion. And Najee did have a better day than Scadaboo.
36:06But Najee also fumbled. Almost touchdowns. Yeah. I don't know.
36:09There were some. Nothing too big here. We mentioned Smith.
36:12Swift. Swift. Chris Bell for the Dolphins had a touchdown called back on a.
36:17Oh, he was. Because he stepped out of bounds before he caught the ball.
36:21Yeah. How about Antonio Williams? Antonio Williams had a deep one called back.
36:25Tucker Craft dropped a touchdown. Then he caught one later.
36:28TJ Hawkinson had such a great game. And at the end, he was about to score a touchdown.
36:34And he slid down. I started him in a tight end premium league.
36:38Nice. I may have actually cursed him in front of my family when he took a knee.
36:44Oh, please. He gave you more than you ever could have expected.
36:47He gave me a great day. But just finish the job.
36:51You can't curse him. I asked Dave this. Can you think of any other examples of when we've had a tight end kneel down?
36:58Slide on purpose. Yeah, slide on purpose to end the game.
37:02It doesn't seem like a very tight end thing to do.
37:05Right. Well, good job, TJ Hawkinson. It was a classy move.
37:09And they won the game because of it. All right.
37:12Let's go to the games and start with the London game.
37:16Colts 30, Commanders 13. Now, Dave, you said Daniel Jones looks so bad and can't trust Josh Downs and all that.
37:22But Josh Downs did come through with two good games in a row with the same Daniel Jones.
37:28He just Jones had a really bad game here.
37:31So I really like really can't trust Josh Downs.
37:34You have to lower expectations a little bit. I mean, here was a platform for him.
37:39No Keenan Allen against the Commanders who had given up tons of numbers to wide receivers coming into the week.
37:45And not only three catches for 16 yards, only four targets.
37:48How does that happen? I think he's their best receiver.
37:52How does Laquan Treadwell have six targets and Josh Downs have four?
37:55How does Ashton Doolin have six targets? And maybe it's as simple as, well, the Commanders were putting coverage over the top
38:02on downs and Daniel Jones was just going in a different direction.
38:06It felt to me watching this game that Daniel Jones just was trying to get the ball out of his hands as
38:13fast as possible, which is par for the course for him.
38:16But he was also at times just holding the ball and not even realizing what he was looking at.
38:22He had another fumble when he was hit in the backfield.
38:26It was just ugly. And I don't feel great about starting players connected to Daniel Jones, except for the running back.
38:33He's pretty good. On the Washington side of the ball, Heath, we did see Ja'Cory Krosky-Meritt play a little bit on third down early in the game.
38:41And that was pretty cool. But you know what?
38:44That was pretty much all we got. That was cool.
38:47You know, he keeps struggling to run the ball.
38:50Ja'Cory Krosky-Meritt, nine carries for 15 yards, two catches for 35 yards.
38:54Just like, when can you trust Ja'Cory Krosky-Meritt? I hate to say this out loud, but I thought Austin Eckler looked good.
39:01He did. And they love Austin Eckler there. And I just wonder if he gets even more work next week.
39:07Especially the report that we got about Rashad White is accurate that he did have shoulder surgery.
39:12So he's probably somebody that I think he was 4% rostered this morning.
39:16So like he's not somebody you want to start necessarily or a top priority on the waiver wire.
39:22But there's a lot of leagues where he should be rostered.
39:26I don't think you can really look at the receiver.
39:29I don't think you can say, oh, Diggs had such a bad game.
39:33We didn't expect Kaliak Manis to be the quarterback.
39:36So let's just throw that one away. Yeah. You have something to say?
39:40It's just an interesting pronunciation. Yeah. Kaliak Manis. That was close.
39:43I think that was closer. Well, I'm in between man and mon.
39:47And I just kind of combined them. I think it's Kaliak Manis.
39:51I told Dave he's the Kaliak Manis now, dog.
39:54I'm just glad that you fixed your Romeo doobs, whatever you call them.
39:58I said dobs. Why did I say that? Dobs, whatever.
40:01We're going to take a break on fantasy football today.
40:04We'll come back and talk about the good games.
40:07Starting with Green Bay and Tampa Bay. Oh, that's a great one.
40:11It's a three-point game. All right. We'll be right back on FFT.
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42:3617-14 Packers win. And they weren't happy. They won the game, but they said we can't play like this offensively.
42:42They got to be better. Dave, what are your major takeaways for the Packers?
42:46Christian Watson with a bad game here. Yeah, only three targets, but he led them with 47 yards.
42:52We talked about Tucker Grafton and what he means to this offense and how he had a good game this week.
42:59Golden had a touchdown. I think there was more that Golden could have had in this game.
43:04I'd have to go back and look at my notes on it.
43:08But it's kind of uninspiring. It wasn't a great game from Jordan Love.
43:12The run game still is a mess. There's a lot more to take away from Tampa, but it's not good.
43:18And it's almost like Green Bay played down to Tampa's level because the Bucs were just like they couldn't get very much going offensively either.
43:26And Green Bay, they were just like, okay, cool.
43:29We won't do anything big because you won't do anything big.
43:32And then they lost Edger and Cooper in the game.
43:36So I know it was a three-point game and you're trying to sell it as like a good game.
43:42Great game. I don't think it was even close to a good game.
43:46I'm going to tell you, I don't generally share the behind the scenes like this, Adam, but the notes for this game are pretty terrible.
43:54I'm trying to look at the notes and just find some things to say.
43:58And it's really, really a bad job. Well, I think one thing I would point out with this team is that, you
44:05know, Golden and Watson have been so good. They are horrible notes.
44:09Yeah, it's a bad game. But Tucker Craft had like a 14% target share.
44:13So there's going to be some weeks where Craft gets featured more.
44:17And just so happened that Marshawn Lloyd had some catches this week.
44:21And I think I'm pretty sure we'll all go right back to starting Christian Watson next week.
44:26And then the Bucs. Yeah, we already talked about it.
44:29Just like how can you even trust them? Also, I think we I don't know if we expected at this point, but
44:36I think a lot of people have expected the Bucs defense to be really bad.
44:41It just hasn't been. They haven't been like lit up by quarterbacks yet through four weeks.
44:46Sean Watson's had the best game against them out of Burrow, Watson, Kyler and Love.
44:51Well, Heath will love this because Jordan Love over 30 pass attempts is usually great.
44:55Yeah, he was at 30. Yeah, he needs one more.
44:59One more would have been a good day. Golden drew another pass interference penalty that set up the Packers right at the goal line.
45:06The interception that Love threw was on a post to Golden.
45:10If he had been a little more accurate on that throw, that could have been another touchdown for Golden.
45:16And it wasn't like a lot of it was Jalen Danielson just playing with an undrafted free agent in his first start.
45:23But the rest of the Bucs pass guys did not help him at all.
45:27Mecca Abuka dropped a ball in the end zone.
45:30Kate Lawton had a terrible drop. You're saying this as we watch Jamison Williams drop.
45:35That could have been an unbelievable play. Sorry, I know.
45:38Did you make any guarantees for Jamison Williams? No, I've already lost all my fantasy credibility.
45:43I can't get it back. Dallas 34, Houston 30.
45:46Jamie, what are your major takeaways from this game?
45:48And should we be worried about George Pickens? Two catches for 75 yards on three targets and only one good game.
45:55No great games so far this year. I think Jerry Jones, the general manager, made some calls and said, Listen, we want
46:02to have George Pickens on the team. We just don't want to pay him.
46:06So let's just not give him a lot of big stats until we need a player or two here or there.
46:13I mean, look, you're going to still start George Pickens.
46:16It's been frustrating. There's going to be some big games coming.
46:20He's a great buy-low candidate because Dak's playing still at a very high level.
46:24And they're going to still be in a lot of these games where they have to score points.
46:30So if you can get George Pickens cheap, I would do so.
46:34But CeeDee Lamb was just an absolute monster. And you just want to continue to see this from the guy that you drafted in the first round.
46:42Javante Williams coming through with a great fantasy day despite facing this Texans defense, which rightfully so, Adam, you highlighted how great
46:49they had been through the first three weeks of the season against some really elite running backs.
46:54I just think you're looking at it. The Texans offense, specifically C.J.
46:58Stroud, is playing well. Michael Collins, great to see him back.
47:02So that connection is going to be one that you can rely on, especially your starting Nico if there was any doubt.
47:09You hope he just stays healthy. But I think C.J.
47:12Stroud belongs in the streaming conversation. Two games where these guys are together and two productive outings for Stroud.
47:18So I'm going to obviously recommend him as a waiver wire ad and somebody that you should consider starting if you don't
47:25have Bryce Young or Patrick Mahomes next week. A lot of short hitches and slants.
47:29Not really slants, but like hitches and out routes for C.D.
47:33Lamb. And it just really just added up. And for whatever reason, Houston could not cover him.
47:38He had a 30-yard pass. There was no Texan within five yards of him.
47:43Unlike this intermediate over route that he turned into a big 30-yard play.
47:47Pickens, like Golden, had a pass interference call go his way.
47:50He drew that in the end zone. And that set up one of Javante's touchdowns.
47:55I wouldn't freak out if he had Pickens. David Montgomery or Woody Marks rest of season?
48:00Woody. I don't really want either one, but I think it's Woody.
48:04Okay. Yeah, Woody with his second straight game with a touchdown.
48:07But five, six carries in each game. One catch in his last two games.
48:12It's not inspiring stuff. Jacksonville 22, Cincinnati 17. I am glad.
48:15Oh, actually, now that I think about it. I was going to make this game the game of the week, but then
48:22Dave kind of stole it and tried to anticipate it.
48:25So I pivoted to San Francisco, Denver, which was worse.
48:28So Jacksonville 22, Cincinnati 17. And yeah, let's talk about Parker Washington.
48:32Eight targets in his last two games. Now in this game, Trevor Lawrence only threw 23 passes, but Washington had three targets.
48:39Heath, did we jump the gun with Parker Washington?
48:42We may have jumped the gun ranking him in the top 12.
48:46I don't think we jumped the gun calling him a must start, and I plan on starting him again next week.
48:52Yeah. And who got the targets this week? It was the tight end, of course, against the Bengals.
48:58It was Brenton Strange. Seven catches, 95 yards on eight targets.
49:02And the Bengals next week, they get the Dolphins.
49:04So that's probably not going to be a Greg Dolsage week.
49:08But all right. To be fair, there hasn't been a Brenton Strange week yet this season, and then here comes this game.
49:15That's true. Hey, good job. Ryan Thomas Jr. and Marvin Harrison.
49:18Like, Spider-Man meme. All right. What about Chase Brown?
49:21Yes, he had 11 catches. He also had nine carries for 10 yards.
49:25Jamie, are we worried about Chase Brown? Yes and no.
49:28I mean, clearly he's not running the ball very well.
49:32It's been a tough start to the season for him.
49:35You still see how much he plays. You still see what he means in the passing game.
49:40Jamar Chase may not play. They get the Dolphins coming up this week.
49:44Like, there's just such a layup opportunity for him to be dominant.
49:48So I know Aaron Jones didn't have the 20-plus point game that every other running back has had against the Dolphins.
49:55You can see it happening for Chase Brown, though, just because of the type of player that he is.
50:01So similar to George Pickens, similar to what we said going into the week, like, if you can get Chase Brown cheap,
50:08he is one of the best buy-low targets you could find of the upper echelon players.
50:13You still feel that way. I don't think anybody's giving away after this game.
50:17But, you know, again, depending on the format you play in, PPR is much harder to trade for him.
50:23None in half, it's a little bit easier. I just look at the 11 catches and I go, well, Jamar Chase was
50:30out, so I wonder how much that influenced it.
50:33So then we're just looking at a guy who had nine cameras.
50:37I mean, they were playing the 85 Bears, too.
50:39They were. All right, well, it's disappointing. And we'll talk about waiver wire guys.
50:44Maybe it's Dante Myers. He had nine targets, seven catches for 82 yards.
50:48Mitchell Tinsley had three catches for 49 yards. Last year, Tinsley had one pretty good.
50:53Oh, no, he had nine targets in a game.
50:55He didn't do anything with them. Maybe it's the tight ends.
50:59Rams 24, Eagles 20. Dave, I think we can, you know, as Jamie said, we can give Jalen Hurts and the Eagles
51:06offense a little bit of a pass. They're playing really shorthanded.
51:09In fact, I think they were down 10 starters by the end of the game because they lost two guys on defense in addition to Barkley and whatnot.
51:18But for the Rams, you know, what do you?
51:21Jamie had Adams as a loser. What's your take on Stafford and Adams right now?
51:26I think you can lower expectations for Adams and put him right back in that number two receiver category.
51:32I don't think it's going to be this bad again.
51:35And I didn't watch the game, so I don't know exactly what the Eagles did and whether it was Quinlan Mitchell shutting him down or what happened.
51:43And same thing with Stafford, but we know that the Rams are more than willing to give Stafford the opportunity to go
51:50out and throw 40 plus times a game if that's what it takes to win the game.
51:56Usually when he does that, the numbers are pretty good.
51:59The two interceptions stink. I think you can chalk it up to just being a bad game for Stafford.
52:05He still should be a consideration as a starter as long as both Adams and Nakua are healthy.
52:11I think I'll probably start Stafford and Adams both next week.
52:14Yeah, I don't think anybody's benching Devontae Adams. I don't want to give the impression that I said that, but it is
52:21just where he was without Puka to what we saw today.
52:25And there's a huge difference. And, you know, the last, you know, 20 plus games, whatever it is of them together, not
52:31exactly great for Devontae Adams when he does not score touchdowns.
52:35Stafford lost one touchdown on Kyron Williams falling a yard short.
52:38You might have said that almost touchdowns earlier. Yeah, he actually did that.
52:42Yeah, thank you. You know, so that would have made his fantasy line a little bit better.
52:48But look, whenever you're getting the type of volume from him that we're seeing and then going into a game against Buffalo
52:55where Drake may just pick them apart, you know, this should be a big game coming up for Stafford.
53:01So I think you should be encouraged by him if you, you know, didn't start him or you did start him and
53:08you got, you know, a lackluster stat line. And it's not just the Buffalo game.
53:12It's the next six games. Buffalo, Arizona, Las Vegas, Chargers, Commanders, Cardinals.
53:16I mean, don't say the Raiders. Yeah, Raiders and Chargers aren't great.
53:20But even if I'm six or I don't mind taking on that pass.
53:24I'm kidding. You're starting Stafford in all those games.
53:27Yeah. Okay. Okay. Yeah, probably. Okay. And we'll talk about Darius Cooper, I guess, on the Waver Wire show.
53:33Three catches, 33 yards. What an awesome touch. Did you see his first touchdown?
53:37Yeah. Yeah. How he ripped the ball away from the defensive back.
53:41That was pretty awesome. Yep. Sure did. That was awesome.
53:44New England 29, Buffalo 26. We have covered New England.
53:48Is there anything to say? Anybody concerned about Josh Allen right now?
53:51He scored 17.5 points last week, 20.5 fantasy points this week, and six points for passing touchdown leagues.
53:57Anyone concerned? To what level? You're not benching Josh Allen.
54:00So I don't know. Look, is he going to get you 50 every week or 40 every week?
54:06You know? No. That's just not realistic. So you know what the spike games will be.
54:11You're going to be some down games. And New England's still a really good defense.
54:16You know, I know they didn't have Gonzalez, but losing DJ Moore probably negates that a little bit, despite the fact that Guion Coleman had an amazing game.
54:24Khalil Shakir played well. You're just not getting the extra points from Josh Allen, which sucks.
54:29And he and Brock Purdy have scored 21 more fantasy points than any other quarterback this season.
54:35And he scored 20 in this game. Like, if this is his bad game, great.
54:40Yeah. I just hope. I mean, I don't think he was injured at all or anything like that.
54:45I think he got hit in the knee last week, but didn't seem like he was.
54:50But, you know, seemed like he was running like his normal self.
54:54Okay. That's Josh Allen. Now, if DJ Moore were out next week, would you start?
54:59Would you rather have Coleman or Shakir? I feel better about Shakir because I just I know what that track record is
55:06with Josh Allen and how he's been with him for a while.
55:10Coleman played great. Like, he's looked good the last couple of weeks.
55:13I'm happy for him. It's good to see. And if he can keep it up, he can evolve into a number three receiver.
55:21Listen, again, Buffalo's defense isn't good. This is going to be their game script.
55:25So Josh Allen needs pass catchers. And Shakir has been a reliable guy for him for years.
55:30Keon Coleman has stepped up. There's something that I want to point out on Kincaid.
55:35This was his first game of the season where he didn't have a route rate of two thirds of Josh Allen's dropbacks.
55:42It was down to 54%. It reminds me of last year when the bills kind of managed how much work he'd get.
55:49And so a drop in snaps, a drop in routes played, another drop in targets.
55:54He has five total targets in his last two games.
55:57That concerns me. Yeah. Okay. That's a good point.
56:00And those routes will get updated tomorrow. So they probably change a little bit, but still, they're going to be a little
56:07lower than what we want to see from Kincaid.
56:10Giants 36, Arizona 24. This came down to the final play of the game, which was a pick six by the Giants cornerback Deontay Banks.
56:17It was pretty crazy. They've won the last two games with interceptions basically in the end zone.
56:23And earlier he got beat by Marv Harrison for a touchdown.
56:26He did. And you know, I wouldn't even say he got beat.
56:30I would say Marvin Harrison made a really nice catch and he, there's a lot.
56:35He was in coverage. Okay. Marvin, Marvin Harrison. There's a lot that he can't do, but he can do that.
56:41He can make like a nice jump ball catch or he can drop it.
56:46He can also do that. But yeah, I mean, Harrison one catch for a touchdown, Michael Wilson though.
56:51And we talked about the Giants and neighbors and, and whatnot, likely getting all those targets, but Michael Wilson, 13 targets this
56:58week, 17 last week, seven catches for 95 yards.
57:01Heath, how confident do you feel of Michael Wilson rest of season?
57:05I feel like he's going to be like, we talk about boom bust number three wide receivers and he feels almost like
57:12a boom bust number two wide receiver. I think he's going to be very close to that wide receiver 24 ranking most weeks.
57:19Um, during the bye weeks, probably a little bit higher.
57:22Still, I don't feel like he has this great floor that I can definitely count on.
57:27It's just that he might get double digit targets any week.
57:31How would you guys rank Devante Adams, Michael Wilson and Malik neighbors rest of season?
57:35Adams, neighbors, Wilson. Neighbors, Wilson, Adams. Let me, Adam, did you watch this game for the Giants?
57:41You were probably locked in, right? Pretty locked, fairly locked in.
57:44So was it Jameis throwing the ball well, or was it Arizona's defense just letting guys run wide open?
57:50It was basically the same formula is Jameis was pretty bad.
57:54Jameis had some really bad moments and the interceptions were terrible, but he had a really good knack of escaping, extending plays
58:01and throwing like on the run out of the pocket and getting chunk plays when the Cardinals defense and the broadcasters were
58:08talking about it to their zone defense. They really were bad.
58:11They just made miscoverage busts. There was that big play to, uh, I think it was, it was either fields or neighbors,
58:18um, downfield where the guy was wide open on third and 20.
58:22So it was not like Jameis Winston played that well.
58:25He made some good throws, but it was bad coverage.
58:28I would say by, by the Cardinals. So that makes me, that makes me nervous about neighbors moving forward because he's not going to have matchups like this.
58:37A hundred percent. That's what I was saying. I watching the giants.
58:41I still feel like if they played a good defense, they'd be one of the worst offenses in football, you know, but they play the commanders next week.
58:50They do. They have a generally pretty easy schedule, Washington, New Orleans, and then a bad stretch of Houston by Philadelphia, Washington.
58:56You know what? It's there's a lot of good matchups, Detroit and Dallas and the fantasy playoffs.
59:02I like that. Um, all right. Malik neighbors or George Pickens rest of the season.
59:07Pickens. I'll take Pickens. Pickens. Heath. You can probably get that trade done.
59:11Probably. And you know what? I made a trade for Pickens last week.
59:15I thought it was so damn smart. Three targets this week.
59:18Maybe we're just wrong. Maybe we're just wrong. I think Jamie's right.
59:22He just needs to sign the contract. So they'll start throwing it to him again.
59:27He can't throw. He can't sign the contract. It's too late.
59:30Baltimore 24. Uh, Tennessee 18. I believe that's the score.
59:33That's good notes. Yeah. Well, I put 28 for Tennessee, but they definitely didn't win.
59:38Um, Cam Ward first game throwing for more than 183 yards.
59:42We do have a little bit of a Carnell Tate thing going on here.
59:46Nine catches, 145 yards on 12 targets last week was solid.
59:50Yeah. I watched a lot of this game and I thought the Titans offense looked surprisingly competent for large stretches.
59:56Good. So I, I think, yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm encouraged about Tate.
60:00I'm encouraged about Pollard, even though he only had 48 rushing yards.
60:03That's like, they're not gonna be great, but I don't think they're gonna be awful.
60:08It's 16 carries and 17 carries two straight weeks now for, for Pollard.
60:12That's pretty good. Um, Henry with another inefficient game, but he scored a touchdown.
60:17Flowers is awesome. And Mark Andrews scored and he was actually open for a second touchdown, but Lamar missed him.
60:23How good is Zay Flowers? Yeah, that's very funny.
60:26Even without the bet, you have to admit that Flowers is just blowing away expectations.
60:31I think I already did. I, I nicknamed him Zay SN.
60:34You weren't there for that? Oh, you did. You did that.
60:37That was you. You, you did that. Great or late.
60:41Do you think Andrews is an asset? Cause like Andrews, he gets like his five, five to seven targets every week.
60:47Um, could have had two touchdowns today. Like, how do you view him?
60:51Like Andrews or Kincaid? Kincaid. I, yeah, I still want to say Kincaid.
60:55Cause to me, Andrews is more of a touchdown or bust tight end anyway.
61:00If he doesn't score, it's eight PPR points. Genty or Henry?
61:03Which frankly we could have used from. Henry. Kincaid.
61:06It's, it's definitely Henry over Kincaid. Or Genty. Although Genty's role in the passing game is nice.
61:12And they, they will talk about that game, I guess, in a minute.
61:16Go ahead. Chicago 23 jets. 12. The time of possession here.
61:19You almost can't believe 42 minutes and 45 seconds for the bears.
61:2317 minutes and 15 seconds for the jets. And this is one where I had the giants game on one computer.
61:30I had the jets game on another computer. I had red zone on my TV and I kept saying to myself, okay,
61:37what is going on with the jets offense? I'm going to sit.
61:40I'm going to watch. I want to see what's happening.
61:43And they're punting every time I look up or they just, yeah, they didn't get a single third down.
61:49It was unbelievable. There's defense. I guess so. I guess so.
61:53Also the jets couldn't really get off the field on offense when they were on defense.
61:58No. And by the fourth quarter, they were just getting run over by Mononghi and a little bit of Roshon Johnson.
62:05Do you have this fear that the jets after a fairly encouraging first three weeks are just going to become a terrible offense again?
62:12I think they're going to suck the next two weeks and then be good against the dolphins.
62:18I mean, four of their next five matchups aren't great.
62:21Cleveland at new England, Miami Raiders at the chiefs.
62:24Like what, what should I tell the Kenyan Sadiq manager right now?
62:27The guy just got a zero on four targets.
62:30It depends who your other tight end is, but you'd stash him.
62:34I mean, look, he's still got tons of potential.
62:37He just got the Detroit bump. And so far that's not happening for the Panthers, but you know, that he, everything fell
62:44in line for him last week, you know, with no Mitchell, no Taylor this week, no Mitchell, no Taylor, but he's not playing Detroit.
62:51Almost half of their yards came on a deep ball touchdown to Isaiah Williams in the fourth quarter when it was 23 to six.
62:59Yeah. They have no threat of a run game right now, you know, cause they're not going to fear Braylon Allen until he proves something.
63:07So that's going to be disappointing. I think you just look at it as Wilson's a must-start guy stash Braylon Allen, see what happens.
63:14You know, we don't know when Brees Hall is going to come back.
63:18When Brees Hall comes back, you have two must-start guys for the jets and that's kind of what it was at the start of the season.
63:27Okay. But to be fair, Brees Hall been running like garbage the last two weeks and Braylon Allen had 14 carries for 59 yards.
63:34He had two catches for eight yards. That's really not bad when you have the ball for 17 minutes and Isaiah Davis didn't have a single touch.
63:43I don't think you're looking at it and saying, okay, I, it's going to be case by case, but like anybody that
63:50just picked up Braylon Allen as a one-to-one or had him as a replacement for Brees Hall as a handcuff.
63:56Like that's an okay replacement option until you figure out whatever your next potential move is, you know?
64:02So like if you're pivoting to, um, I'm trying to think if you're pivoting to Emmanuel Wilson in a 10 team league,
64:09if he's still available, or if you're pivoting to Shipley because he's going to be now the starter for the Eagles.
64:15And if what if it's Eckler, what if it's Eckler, what if they're my best friend?
64:20Eckler, like, you know, that's, I'd probably still start Braylon Allen because I know he's going to get carries.
64:26So like there there's, there's lots of different ways that this can go.
64:30So yes, maybe they have the ball a little bit more, but now they're playing what should be on paper, a tougher
64:37defense in week five against the Browns. And can you really trust it with how this looked today?
64:43So I don't think Braylon Allen, correct me if I'm wrong.
64:47I don't know what a start percentage is was played today as a must start running back probably in the thirties, right?
64:5362%. Okay. So people treated him a little bit higher than that.
64:57So that that's a disappointing performance. We'll see what happens moving forward, where his start percentage will lie, especially with two teams
65:04now on a buy in more injuries. Okay. And let's get to the bears because the bears are actually pretty interesting.
65:11The distribution of targets was a little bit different today.
65:14We had Romo Dunze, a big part of the offense.
65:17Bajan threw 34 passes. You had Odunze getting seven targets, 94 yards.
65:21You had Khalif Raymond getting two targets, six yards.
65:24It's Luther Burden, six targets, 63 yards. Loveland, nine targets, 57 yards.
65:28And the second week in a row kind of almost had a touchdown.
65:32He was targeted at the goal line. So his role, you know, was much better today.
65:37Colson Loveland. Heath, can we make sense of it?
65:40Do you think it's just gonna be kind of a week by week thing with them?
65:45It seems that way. I did not think that Bajan played very well in large stretches of this game.
65:51He probably could have had four interceptions. Thank you.
65:53That's what I thought too. And I saw the numbers and it's like, am I crazy here?
65:59Yeah. Thank you. No, that's what I thought. It was nice to see that Romo Dunze is not droppable.
66:05Um, but yeah, it's frustrating because you can't go into, I mean, I guess if Mononga is out, then it's pretty easy
66:12to go in saying Swift is a must start.
66:15If Mononga is trying to play through something, then it's just a disaster all the way around.
66:20And everybody's just like, they have the upside to be a top 12 option at their position.
66:25And they have the downside to be a single digit score.
66:29Okay. You got to drop Khalif Raymond or should we hold on to him another week?
66:34Uh, I think you're, you probably should answer that question.
66:37Well, when you invest as much as I did, you're holding on another week.
66:41I, the only league I had in Khalif Raymond was the one that you hit on him.
66:47So yeah, you're welcome. Um, okay, let's go to the late game.
66:51San Francisco, 24, Denver, 14 and Bo Nix still not really running.
66:54Only 10 rushing yards for Bo Nix scored 16.2 fantasy points.
66:58I can't imagine people want to ever start JK Dobbins.
67:01He was 25% started, but RJ Harvey, 16% started.
67:04I get, I have trouble with guys who are so running backs who are just entirely dependent on catches, but he has 16 catches his last two games.
67:13Jamie, RJ Harvey, is he a thing or is he just the, I'm desperate.
67:17I'm going to throw RJ Harvey in. Oh, I think he's a thing.
67:21You know, again, we have two teams on a buy and a bunch of injuries.
67:26So, you know, whether he's a starting running back or a flex, you got to start to look at him as, you
67:33know, the more productive Denver running back. And if you, you know, go back to the start of what Alvin Kamara was
67:40in his rookie season, like, this is how it began, you know, so maybe we're starting to see a little bit of that.
67:47I know it's the second year and you know what he was as a rusher.
67:52And then we'll see what happens when, you know, Jonah Coleman eventually comes back, but he just looks so much more explosive than, than Dobbins.
68:00It's hard to keep him off the field. So this is looking like anybody that got the discounted price on draft day when he started just to plummet.
68:09You might be reaping the rewards of it a little bit right now, but they're just can't run the ball.
68:15I think just as a team. So if they're going to be stuck in these situations and their defense hasn't been as
68:22dominant, so they're chasing points a little bit, that's going to benefit RJ Harvey as well.
68:27So not a must start running back, but certainly in the flex conversation, whether you're talking about replacing a wide receiver or
68:34potentially whatever running back situation you might be in.
68:37Adam, did you see the passing chart I sent you for Bo Nix today?
68:41Yeah, that was great. Like everything was at the line of scrimmage.
68:45Very few passes were even like more than seven yards downfield.
68:48It was crazy. It's also been a disappointment, I think, from the standpoint, at least today.
68:53San Francisco's defensive line is a mess. You know, and the fact that they couldn't run on this team.
68:59I said to you, the noon show, like I wondered if they were going to have an opportunity here like we saw last week against the 49ers.
69:08And just, they didn't even play J.K. Dobbins early in the game.
69:12It was a little weird. And Waddle did get the touchdown.
69:15Five catches, 35 yards, and a touchdown. Evans had a good game.
69:19Sertan left around halftime. I wasn't watching. I didn't see if Sertan was shadowing Evans.
69:24He was on Kittle a little bit. Well, yeah, at one point he was on Kittle.
69:29He was not on Evans. Evans caught a pass on the play Sertan got hurt, and Sertan was not on Evans.
69:35Then he was on a different receiver. I think Evans was in the slot on that play, but you're absolutely right about that.
69:43Anyway, would you rather Evans or Waddle rest of season?
69:46Still Waddle. Waddle. Still Waddle. He had a bad drop, too.
69:49Mm-hmm. Okay. Yeah, the Niners, I mean, like Depot Samuel, zero targets last week.
69:54Six targets this week. I don't really... He just continues to produce in the funniest way possible.
69:59Three carries for 44 yards in this game also.
70:02And Kittle is another guy. Just proof they want to get the ball in his hands.
70:07Like that... Kittle has two games with four catches for 70 or 80 yards and a touchdown.
70:12Yeah. This is George Kittle. Have you met him?
70:15I mean, a little bit, but the target volume's not really that good.
70:19This is George Kittle. All right. He's had 85 target seasons where he was the tight end, too.
70:25Minnesota 15, Miami 10, and another time of possession game.
70:28Minnesota had the ball for more than 39 minutes of this game.
70:32What are we thinking about Ali Gordon? I think he deserves a little more talk here, Dave.
70:37We did briefly mention it, but, I mean, would you try to sell high on Ali Gordon?
70:43Ride it out? Sure. I wouldn't expect him to average 11.1 yards per carry.
70:47Is he going to be Miami's best running back?
70:50Sure. Is he going to do this? No. So, it's amazing how fantasy works and how the NFL works, where he currently
70:57has the best game for fantasy of a Dolphins running back this season.
71:01And it came against the Vikings of all teams in a one-score game where the Dolphins were in it in the fourth quarter.
71:08So, it's crazy how things work, but I don't know how much he can necessarily build on it.
71:14He's been, like, around three yards per carry, sometimes even lower than that, in his short time in the NFL.
71:20I just think he got, you know, a great 53-yard run, had a couple of other good runs, scored the short yardage touchdown.
71:27It was a 12-yard touchdown. I guess I can't say it's short yardage.
71:31Is he startable? Yeah. I think he's startable. Am I going to buy into it and say, like, he's going to be a must-start fantasy running back?
71:40I feel like I need to see more before I say that.
71:44Okay. I like how our producer is a Vikings fan.
71:47And I don't know if there's a graphic where it's just four out of five.
71:52Get Jordan Addison on there and put Malik Washington on there.
71:55I figure there's nobody else, nobody's starting. You're not starting any Dolphins, right?
71:59Everybody's starting Hawkins. I'd like to know TJ Hawkins and start percentage.
72:03Yeah. Yeah, no, but I just wanted to show how bad Kyler Murray was.
72:07We get it. We get it. We get it.
72:10You were right to do it. No Will Riker.
72:13I had an entire Bears full screen. If you didn't even notice, I didn't have a single jet on there.
72:19Oh, I didn't notice that. I didn't know. Yeah, I didn't notice that.
72:24Oh, NFC North bias. That's true. I think it's unfortunate that Addison had the big game last week.
72:29Hawkins had the big game this week. But I just feel like when Jefferson comes back, it probably won't matter.
72:36Yeah. Right. Jefferson playing in New Orleans next week is going to be big.
72:40I think I'm going to regret not drafting Justin Jefferson.
72:43Kansas City. Yeah. I don't think Kyler looks very good at all.
72:47I don't know about that, Adam. He doesn't. Unless Carson Wentz gets in there.
72:51They're going to design so much stuff for him.
72:54Like if TJ Hawkins is going to have a game like this and Jordan Addison can have a game like he had last week.
73:02I think Kyler might just trip over himself or something.
73:05Well, then Carson Wentz will get in there. Kansas City 30, Las Vegas 27.
73:09Kenneth Walker was having a somewhat quiet day until the very end of the third quarter.
73:14He ends up with a he scored more than 21 fantasy points in every game so far this season.
73:20Massive day for him. Xavier Worthy had seven targets.
73:23What's going on with Kelsey Heath? This is for Kelsey.
73:26Four targets. He had two targets last week. So kind of ugly and did not get the touchdown this week.
73:33Horrible game for Kelsey. Yeah, he probably lost five points on a tipped pass.
73:37He had a target over the middle of the field where they just forgot to cover him.
73:42But then it got batted down by a linebacker.
73:45It's discouraging, especially with Rice going out and his involvement still being so low.
73:50It's strange because when he's gotten the ball in his hands, he's done incredible things.
73:54Yeah. I think I'd probably say the same thing I said about Kincaid is you kind of like just have to put
74:01him in that tight end 12 ish range. What do you guys make it?
74:06It's Kelsey's birthday tomorrow. Yeah. What do you guys make up?
74:09Michael Mayer game. 11% rostered. 1% started. 82 yards on 10 targets.
74:13Yeah, he also caught a touchdown last week. I don't think they have a number two, a number two option in the passing game.
74:21That's consistent. So Trey Tucker is the most logical receiver, but that doesn't mean that he's going to be the most targeted
74:28or the second most targeted player in the passing game.
74:31So I don't think you could trust Mayer to be a consistent fantasy option.
74:35But again, as we go into bye weeks and you start to say, you know, I probably would still trust Dalton Schultz, but Hunter Henry and Sadiq.
74:44And Darren Waller, depending on what happens tonight, you know, those type of guys, I think Mayer belongs in the conversation with them.
74:51He plays a ton and they run two tight end, three tight end sets a lot.
74:56They did today for sure. I agree. They would almost argue that Brock Bowers is almost a wide receiver.
75:02Yes. Well, that's kind of the way that they, I think when they paid Mayer, that was kind of the report that Mayer is their inline tight end.
75:11And then Bowers is more of their receiving option, just, you know, plays like a receiver.
75:16Okay. A couple more games here. Actually, I'm sorry.
75:19Skip. I didn't skip the Raiders. Anything to say about Gentty?
75:22I mean. Yes. They started this game out. And I think of the first eight carries, five of them went to Mike Washington.
75:29And the broadcast was talking a lot about how Kubiak had said throughout the week, Mike Washington had earned more work.
75:36And those Mike Washington carries didn't go very well.
75:39No. And so we saw more Ashton Gentty from that point forward.
75:43I think the biggest thing is, like, sometimes he's the number two option in the passing game behind Brock Bowers.
75:49And as long as he has that role, a little bit of a split with Washington, who's probably going to be a
75:56home run hitter who strikes out three times a game.
75:59It's okay. Gentty's target per out run rate in four games.
76:03He had a lot of catches today, but Kirk Cousins threw about 50 passes.
76:07His target per out run rate was 21% and 24% without Bowers.
76:11And then it went down to 10% in week three, back up to 17%, which definitely can live with that.
76:17You're not going to get to six catches every week because, again, a lot of pass attempts.
76:22But 10% would be a little low. 17% would be pretty good for Gentty.
76:27Chargers at Seahawks. This year, this ended up being a close game.
76:31Seven-point game, I think. Didn't put the stupid score in.
76:34Were any of the Chargers touchdowns technically garbage time?
76:37Or because they got it back within seven, it was never garbage time?
76:41Well, it was 27-6 in the third quarter when Vidal caught a pass for a touchdown.
76:46Yeah. Dave, let's talk about the running backs for the Chargers.
76:49You had nine carries. I'm really pissed off that Hampton had a decent game.
76:54Hampton, Keaton Mitchell. Why are you pissed off that he had a decent game?
76:58Because I was so intent. I told everyone to sit him.
77:02And I sat him for Kalief Raymond. And I also sat him for Emmanuel Wilson.
77:06I sat him for Emmanuel Wilson, too. Well, the Wilson call was great.
77:10But the thing is, like, the theory was right.
77:13It was a terrible matchup. He ended up in a three-way timeshare here.
77:17He had nine carries. And he gets a late touchdown.
77:21It was absurd. Technically, he was third on the team in running back snapshare.
77:25This is not a good game for Amari and Hampton.
77:28I think that's the point here. It was also not a good game for Kalief Raymond.
77:33It is. The way you said that was so funny.
77:36Why? What did I say? Because I sat him for Kalief Raymond.
77:40Yeah, it was a mistake. It was a mistake.
77:43That didn't work out. And it wouldn't have worked out even if Hampton didn't score the late touchdown.
77:49He did have a number. Like, last week, he had one nice run where he created yards.
77:54This week, he had more than one. So that was good.
77:57So good for him. But the Chargers like this three-headed backfield.
78:01And Harbaugh said as much after the game. Vidal actually started the game.
78:05And he played a lot on passing downs. It's – I don't know.
78:09I don't think you can feel great about any Chargers running back.
78:13And you sure as hell can't look at Amari and Hampton and say, oh, yeah, that's a top 15 fantasy runner.
78:20There's just no way. And this whole – the offensive line continues to be a mess.
78:25The whole team continues to be a mess. Two of the worst interceptions you'll ever see were thrown by Justin Herbert today.
78:32I will – I think Herbert does deserve credit, by the way, for taking a big shot to his ribs and staying in the game.
78:39So he might not be able to read safeties and linebackers, but he sure is tough.
78:44We've reached the point of Dave literally wanting to give Justin Herbert a participation trophy.
78:49Give him credit for participating. Well, I mean, he can't participate in fantasy lineups, so at least we can give him credit for participating in an NFL game.
78:58What are some of the worst interceptions you've ever seen?
79:01Jameis Winston. Max Brosmer against the Seahawks. Max Brosmer has won.
79:05But how about Justin Herbert like literally throwing it to a linebacker?
79:08He didn't move. Didn't move. I told him the linebacker shouldn't have – was that Ernest Jones?
79:14He had no business being there. That was not nice.
79:17And then the first play of the game was an interception.
79:20Just – there have been so many confounding interceptions from a guy who's supposed to be like a super-tier franchise QB.
79:27And he's making reads that like even like a competent high school quarterback would not make.
79:32Okay. Maybe they'll get him Jeremiah Smith. There you go.
79:35Well, that is it for tonight's show. The Seahawks are the Seahawks, by the way.
79:40We talked about Emmanuel Wilson and bad game by his standards for Jackson Smith and Jigba.
79:45He is no Zay Flowers. JSN or Zay-SN rest of season?
79:49JSN. JSN. Jackson. Like when do the Chargers get a win?
79:52Next year. No. Next year. Denver next week? They could beat Denver.
79:56Denver's defense has – What in the world makes you think that?
80:00Because they might be able to hold them to field goals.
80:03Denver – Neither of these teams can run the ball really well.
80:07You consider like winning a game a win or like when they fire him, I mean Daniel will win.
80:13Well, Denver's our next best chance because then it's the Chiefs, a bye, and then the Rams.
80:18I'm telling you, based on what Heath has done, they're going to go 2-0 against the Chiefs and lose to everybody else.
80:25That's fine. Perfectly fine. Chiefs go 15-2, Chargers go at 2-15.
80:29It's fine. Week 18, they're at Denver. Someone sent me a text with a graphic that said, this is the first time
80:36the Giants have been in first place in the NFC East since 2015.
80:40That can't be right. Do you know the current first place teams?
80:43Maybe this late in the season. Yeah, who are they?
80:47The one on this. Okay. Current first place teams, the Giants, the undefeated Vikings, the Panthers, Saints, and Falcons are all tied
80:54for first, but the Panthers are winning right now, so I think they're technically in first.
80:59Two of them played to the morning. Yeah. The undefeated 49ers, not the Rams or Seahawks.
81:04Yeah. And then the Bills, the Browns, the Jags.
81:07Wait, aren't the Browns tied for first? I guess, yeah, they're tied with the Baltimore, yeah.
81:12Yeah, okay. But the Browns are listed in first, so they must have strength of schedule.
81:17And then the only undefeated team in the AFC.
81:19The Chiefs. If only their defense were as good as Jacksonville's.
81:23That's true. All right. Denver's tough. When the Chiefs have to play them, I'm sure it'll be harder.
81:29Denver without two. So Denver Chargers next week could be Denver without their two cornerbacks and the Chargers without their two tackles.
81:36That'll be interesting. And the rest of their offensive line.
81:39We will be back tomorrow with Beyond the Box Score to break some more stuff down.
81:44Thanks for watching, listening to Fantasy Football Today. We'll see you.
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