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1:47So here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, and Heath.
1:50Is this going to be a week with a big opportunity for Dante Myers coming off seven catches for 82 yards on nine targets?
1:57Or will T. Higgins and Jamar Chase play? I'm going to ask the same question about Mike Gasicki, of course, and maybe even Mitchell Tinsley.
2:04Is this going to be a big week for Will Shipley?
2:08Because Saquon Barkley's going to be out. Tank Bigsby, well, likely going to be out.
2:12Tank Bigsby is on IR, and they will have to activate somebody.
2:16And by the way, he's got the toughest run defense in football.
2:19But we do have plenty of players to talk about on the waiver wire for Week 5.
2:24Good morning, Jamie Eisenberg. Good morning. How's the waiver wire looking?
2:28It's going to be a very busy one. There's a lot of players to replace.
2:32We finally have bye weeks with two teams on a bye with Carolina and Kansas City.
2:37And unfortunately, just more and more injuries. Good morning, Dave.
2:40Stupid injuries, and they're stupid showing up all the time in every game, everywhere.
2:44Also, Dave, how about Joe Mixon and Tyreek Hill in the news?
2:47How about it? I mean, we don't know exactly what their condition is, but the fact that Joe Mixon passed a physical
2:54and is now part of the Seahawks is interesting.
2:57And Tyreek Hill claims he's going to, or at least his agent, Drew Rosenhaus, says that he's going to sign with the
3:03team soon, which in theory means he will also be able to pass a physical.
3:08They're going to be popular waiver ads. And I think it's worth having a conversation about how high you should prioritize both of them.
3:15And I think I'm going to have different answers for each.
3:18I would think so. Let's see if they make the top three this week.
3:22Jamie, who are your top three waiver wire priorities, regardless of position?
3:26Tyreek Hill, Emmanuel Wilson, and Keon Coleman. Tyreek Hill, Emmanuel Wilson, Keon Coleman.
3:30Dave, how about you? If Emmanuel Wilson is still out there, he's definitely number one.
3:34And I just don't know if he's a great long-term solution, but he's a good week five solution.
3:39I would have Tyreek Hill next. And then I went with Shakir over Keon Coleman, and you're probably going to blame personal bias for that.
3:47But Shakir's out there in about half of CBS Sports Leagues, and I just think that he's going to see a few more targets than Keon Coleman.
3:55And he'll see a few more targets even if DJ Moore comes back.
3:59I think if DJ Moore plays, then Keon Coleman's targets could sink a little bit.
4:03Now, the Rams have not given up more than 50 yards to a receiver yet, but they have allowed six touchdowns to receivers.
4:10That's who the Bills are playing this week. Look, five wide receivers already have seven or more targets against the Rams, but don't have 50 yards yet.
4:18So that's kind of wild. Keon Coleman versus Shakir, does it seem to you guys like kind of a coin flip, or
4:24do you have conviction about who's going to be the better one?
4:28Because, Jamie, you said Coleman, and Dave, you said Shakir.
4:31Jamie, did it feel like a coin flip to you?
4:34Like, why did you arrive on Coleman? DJ Moore has missed the majority of two games so far this season, and Keon
4:40Coleman's playing time production, everything has spiked in those two games.
4:44And so Detroit in week two and week four against New England has been his two best games, and DJ Moore did not play in those games.
4:52And if we're talking targets, the targets favor Coleman over everybody else on the roster in those games.
4:57Okay. In this most recent game, let's see, he had seven and Shakir had eight.
5:01But in week two, Shakir, I don't think he didn't do, he had six targets in that week.
5:07I don't know. I guess the targets are about even, I think.
5:10Oh, yeah. I'm sorry. Yeah, they would be even.
5:13Okay. Dave, how about you? Same question. I'd like the matchup for Shakir a little bit more because he'll work the inside.
5:19He's got that slot role, whereas Keon Coleman, more of a perimeter receiver.
5:23Listen, I'm going to admit it. I thought Keon Coleman looked great in week four.
5:28And just the effort that he gave on a bunch of those targets.
5:32And there was one play where he tipped the ball to himself, and he dove for it and got the catch in a first down.
5:39That was huge. He was perfect in his route running on his touchdown on the post route.
5:44So he certainly looks better than he did last year.
5:47And the only thing I'm worried about is, is he going to do the disappearing act again?
5:52Because he's done this now multiple times in his NFL career where he has a big game and then weeks go by.
5:59And he's just not a part of the offense.
6:01I think in this case, if there's no DJ Moore, we can expect Keon Coleman to be a part of the offense.
6:08And certainly against the Rams, he should at least earn a minimum six targets.
6:12It could be as high as eight. But I don't like his chances if he's going to be lined up against Trent McDuffie a majority of the time.
6:20And I guess one thing you could consider is, DJ Moore hasn't been ruled out, and they're playing Monday night, right?
6:26Yes. Yeah, there's a lot of moving parts with the receiver this week because of the Bengals situation, the Bills situation, the Chargers situation, the Eagles situation.
6:34The Tyreek situation. Well, they don't play this week.
6:37The replacements for this week. Yeah, I know a lot of people are assuming Tyreek's going to the Chiefs.
6:43So, yeah, the thing is, I was saying, in the two games that DJ Moore has played, fully played, Keon Coleman has three targets.
6:50You know, so if DJ Moore plays, Coleman's probably not going to do much, whereas Shakir could still have a role.
6:56But I don't know. DJ Moore, like, keeps hurting his shoulder.
6:59And I guess as of now, we're just not expecting him to play.
7:03Before we move on, because the top three are a Bills wide receiver, Tyreek Hill, and Emmanuel Wilson in some order.
7:09Dave, what do you expect from the Seattle backfield moving forward?
7:13You've got them signing Mixon. You've got Price out at least three more games.
7:17You've got Charbonnet, who's going to come back soon, it seems, but not this week.
7:21So maybe next week at Denver, not this week against San Francisco.
7:25Make sense, try to make sense of the Seahawks backfield right now.
7:28Forget about names for a second. What have we seen from what the Seattle coaching staff has preferred over the last 24 games that they've played?
7:36Banana split. There you go. And so no matter what the situation is, you're going to see at least two running backs,
7:43maybe even three running backs, sharing the workload. Is there a world where it's Joe Mixon and Zach Charbonnet taking turns as
7:49the running downs back and the passing downs back for the Seattle Seahawks this year?
7:54Yeah, there's a chance of that. That would be bad for Emmanuel Wilson.
7:57But if Emmanuel Wilson continues to play like he did last week, then he could be the guy.
8:03And then they'd sign Joe Mixon for nothing. And then we still don't know when Price is going to come back.
8:09We don't know exactly when Charbonnet is going to come back.
8:12It sounds like his return is imminent. And I know what I – I shouldn't say the words I know.
8:18I think I know what Zach Charbonnet's role is going to be once he's back, which is passing downs back, goal line back.
8:25He earned that role last year. He was good in that role last year.
8:29That's the one I want long term. I just can't get him off the waiver wire.
8:34So when I look at Joe Mixon, I don't want to get too enthralled with his name.
8:39And same thing with Emmanuel Wilson. And Wilson is a great game last week, but he might just be a short-term rental.
8:45I don't mind going after Wilson first and foremost.
8:48He's already rostered in almost two-thirds of CBS leagues.
8:51And he's certainly available more in other leagues. But just don't get too attached to any Seattle back.
8:56And if you are going to, I think Charbonnet is the one to get attached to.
9:01Okay. Yeah, I just can't really see myself going and adding Joe Mixon unless it's like fourth or fifth waiver claim.
9:07Right, exactly. Perfect, perfect. We don't even know. They signed another running back, too, to their practice squad.
9:12No, I think they promoted Robert Henry to the roster.
9:15Oh, they did? Okay. Let me double check. Yeah, so they're not going to play Charbonnet or Mixon this week.
9:21And Mixon, if I saw it correctly, is currently on the practice squad.
9:25So my guess is either A, they don't expect Charbonnet to return maybe in the next two weeks.
9:30And Jadarian Price may be out longer than we think.
9:33So they're probably trying to cover themselves in the event of both Price and Charbonnet not being able to help them, let's
9:40say, two or three weeks from now. So who knows what Joe Mixon has left to offer?
9:45Like Dave said, you know, the fact that he passes physical is a great sign.
9:49But he's, you know, in his 30s now. And I just don't know what to expect.
9:54So really the thing you look at it this way is like week five, Emmanuel Wilson has a must-start running back.
10:00And then whatever else happens after that, take it for what it's worth.
10:04Okay, let me ask you this and pivot to a new topic here because I think this is kind of the key question.
10:11And for waiver wires this week, it's about injuries.
10:14We've got the two Bengals guys banged up. Chase Concussion, Higgins Adductor Muscle.
10:18We don't know if they're going to play. We've got Devontae Smith out.
10:21Well, presumably out, but we don't know that. They're facing Jacksonville.
10:25We've got Rasheed Rice, but they're on a bye.
10:27DJ Moore. I think those are the big ones, right?
10:30Those three, the Bills, the Eagles, and the Bengals.
10:33If all of those guys are out this week, how would you rank the top, not just wide receivers, but tight ends too?
10:40How would you rank them, let's start with you, Jamie, of players to get on the waiver wire this week if all
10:46of the injured players that are impacting the waiver wire do not play this week?
10:51So like which is the best flex option? Yeah, you got...
10:54I'd go... So the way I had it, just to give you a peek behind the scenes, I personally don't expect Tee Higgins to play.
11:01So Dave said that we do, we have a conversation, we have an email thread, me, Dave, and Heath, and Dave said Tee Higgins listed his day-to-day.
11:09He said rank him, Heath agreed. When I first did it, when I first started writing the waiver wire column, I had
11:16Dante Myers as the first receiver to go get.
11:19But if we're going to go with the assumption that Tee Higgins is going to play, I don't think DJ Moore is going to play as well.
11:27So I guess I'll go Myers 1, Gusecki 2, Coleman 3, Shakir 4, Cooper 5.
11:31We're putting the Chiefs in this conversation for week 5?
11:34No, no. Just those three. Okay. So Myers, Gusecki, Coleman, Shakir, Cooper.
11:38And again, this is if everyone that's injured misses the game.
11:41Jamie put Coleman ahead of Myers because... Oh, I'm sorry.
11:44Yeah. Oh, okay. You did, right? Because Dave and Heath convinced Jamie to rank Tee Higgins.
11:49It's funny. I don't think it was convincing. I think it was outvoted.
11:52Dave told me this story off the air because he's like, Jamie's never wrong about this stuff.
11:57And we had a 2-1 vote to rank Tee Higgins.
12:00But Dave, if everyone were out... Just to give you the most recent example, they both wanted to leave Barkley out of
12:07the rank because I said I think Barkley's going to play.
12:10This was two weeks ago, whatever it was. It was last week.
12:14No, it was last week. It was his finger.
12:16It was week 3. Okay. Yeah. Come on, Dave.
12:19You're not inspiring much confidence here. What are you talking about?
12:22It was two weeks ago. It was two weeks ago.
12:25Okay, fine. It was two weeks ago. Adam Valentino brings up a good point.
12:29If Jefferson doesn't play too. Forgot that one. Oh, yeah.
12:32Because TJ Hawkins would be in play. Yeah. It feels like of all the receivers who are banged up, Jefferson maybe has
12:39the best chance to play this week. Yeah. So that was another one.
12:43I would have ranked Jefferson, but they didn't want to.
12:46I don't think so. You never even brought that up.
12:49I think you just had it as a no, and I couldn't find anything substantial on it, so I didn't fight it.
12:55It's a no. Okay. It's funny how we do go about this process.
12:59Well, we look up news. I mean, you know, it's a simple problem.
13:03Like, you didn't want to wreck Jane Daniels, and I found multiple reports to say Jane Daniels.
13:08I switched us like that. Yeah. Perfect. Yeah. How about you, Dave?
13:12If everyone were out, who'd be your favorite? Oh, I might feel so gross saying this.
13:16Gusecki might be first, because not only do you have an opportunity to catch a bunch of targets here with him, with
13:23no T Higgins and no Jamar Chase, but it's against his former team, and they've been bad against tight ends.
13:29So I might put Gusecki ahead of Dante Myers, Khalil Shakir, Keon Coleman.
13:33The thing is, like, even if only one of them missed the game, Higgins or Chase, there's still an opportunity here.
13:39Like last year, week 13, T Higgins didn't play.
13:41Mitchell Tinsley had nine targets. Uh, Yoshivas caught a touchdown.
13:44That was pretty much, like, everyone, Chase dominated, but Tinsley had nine targets.
13:48Week 15 without Higgins, um, it wasn't great, because Chase had 16 targets, but Tanner Hudson had five targets.
13:54Yeah, that was not such a great example. But they still could, like, they still could be good, even if one of them is out.
14:01The one thing just to keep in mind with the Bengals guys is, they're probably not going to have to throw very much in this game.
14:09And that's usually the MO for these guys being successful for the Bengals is a lot of volume, and that's going to
14:16help a lot of these players, which is what we saw against Jacksonville.
14:19They couldn't run the ball, and you had three guys with at least six catches, uh, two guys with 10 catches.
14:26Um, and that's not including Jamar Chase, who left the game very early, you know, so this is a game where they get their run game going.
14:34I mean, wouldn't surprise me if Chase Brown just goes absolutely nuts, and even Samadji Piran has an opportunity to contribute as well.
14:40So, the, if you're chasing touchdowns, Gusecki probably has the best chance to score.
14:45Just, I don't know what Dante Myers and what his end zone, red zone opportunities will be.
14:50Um, but yes, if, if both are missing, then I think Gusecki and, and Myers come to play, which is why I
14:56had it ranked one and two, uh, with the two Bengals.
14:59You could easily flip Gusecki. I'm fine with that.
15:02I, I just think this is one of those games where we don't see Burrow under a lot of duress where they're
15:09chasing and he's having to throw 50 plus times or 40 plus times or 30 plus times.
15:14Like, you know, the teams that have beat the Dolphins have just been efficient quarterback play aside from the Vikings and minimal
15:20pass attempts, you know, 20 of 22, whatever it was, 22 of 24, you know, for my homes, it was, uh, just not a lot of volume.
15:28Right. And a couple other things, the Dolphins who are facing the Bengals this week, bad against running backs, bad against tight ends, as Dave mentioned.
15:36So they are currently third best against wide receivers for whatever that's worth.
15:40And the other, and yes, so the Bengal situation would be the most appealing.
15:44However, you already heard Dave and Jamie have a bills wide receiver as their top receiver to get because as of right
15:50now, we feel more confident that DJ Moore will miss this week's game as opposed to both Bengals wide receivers.
15:56Both of them could play. Both of them could sit.
15:59One could play. One could sit. There are a lot of moving pieces.
16:03Justin Jefferson, same situation. And Devante Smith. Yeah, we really heard much could be a multi-week absence there.
16:08And you got to think about the, you got to think about that as like Dontavian Wicks was the guy that we liked last week.
16:16If we had going to, if we were going to choose one, he was third on the team in targets, right?
16:22This could always happen. It could be a Tinsley game.
16:25But he ran the most routes though. So that's, I'm just a, but they all ran a lot of routes, right?
16:31Yeah. Seven targets. I mean, look, he threw for 93 yards.
16:34They're down six starters. If everybody misses this week, it's just an absolute disaster for, for the Eagles, you know?
16:40So I don't know when you want to talk about Will Shipley, but you know, yeah, pun intended.
16:46He's the last running back standing on the Titanic.
16:48Um, there, there's just a, a disaster here for this entire roster with three offensive linemen missing.
16:53And the top two running backs missing the top tight end missing the top receiver missing.
16:58Like there's, this is against Jacksonville, you know, which, you know, may have a top five defense.
17:03And as you said, the best run defense in the NFL.
17:06So like to look at Darius Cooper and to look at even Makai Lemon, who's 56% rostered, uh, but even Don Tavion
17:13Wicks, you know, I, I went back and forth on, do I put him in the shallow league mentions that I put in the column?
17:20Because like, who's going to want to play Don Tavion Wicks?
17:24Now Cooper is more of like a desperation play, but if I'm in a 10 team league, I'm not starting Don Tavion Wicks this week.
17:31I just can't do it. You know? So I, it, it just feels, everything feels awful about the Eagles.
17:37Now maybe they go out and they shock the Jaguars because it's the NFL and every week is a different season.
17:43Um, I just can't see it right now. Like they just look like an absolute mess.
17:48Yeah. Jaguars have been pretty bad against number one receivers.
17:51Denzel Boston caught a touchdown a week one. Jalen Waddle, big game.
17:54Mack Hollins had a good game. T Higgins had a big game.
17:58So that's the only thing that's been kind of a vulnerability for them.
18:02But you know, it's hard to trust the Eagles and you don't even know which one to trust.
18:07And yeah, I think we should talk about Will Shipley.
18:10We should talk about fab dollars. We're going to talk about it after this break.
18:14We'll give you the top three at each position.
18:17I have a big correction to make from yesterday's podcast.
18:20I have to apologize for profusely and, uh, your news and a lot of news and notes.
18:25We don't know if Lamar Jackson's going to play this week and you're going to need some quarterbacks, uh, because two must,
18:32two must start guys right now, basically Mahomes and young are on by and maybe Lamar Jackson out as well.
18:37And I kept, I kept, uh, writing and erasing, writing and erasing and the, your notes for our, uh, CBS sports network
18:44show of our top three Jacoby reset. Cause to me, he feels like a safer top three guy than the, than the
18:51pick a bills receiver or another receiver. Because like you just said, there's potentially three quarterbacks missing this week.
18:56They're a must start guys. We'll be right back after this.
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21:25week-to-week and Tank Bigsby on IR and facing the Jaguars?
21:28Bad matchup. Three offensive starters gone. A quarterback that throws to their running back about 16% of the time.
21:34Shipley is their passing downs back, and even he doesn't have a very high target per route run rate.
21:39I don't believe he will be the only guy there.
21:42I'm not excited about Will Shipley unless I'm desperate for a running back.
21:46I can't get my hands on Keaton Mitchell. I can't get my hands on Emmanuel Wilson and Wilson ahead of Mitchell.
21:52But those two guys are ahead of Shipley for me.
21:55And that's more of a rest of season thing in the case of Mitchell over Shipley.
22:00If you just need a guy for a week, it would be Shipley over Mitchell.
22:05But I'm still liking what I see from Keaton Mitchell with the Chargers.
22:08And I'm nervous about what we'll get for one week, maybe two weeks out of Will Shipley.
22:13I kind of want to avoid it. So the only thing that I think for Shipley, if you are looking at it,
22:20for me, would be long-term because Bigsby's going to be out for at least four games.
22:25And at least the report on Barkley is week-to-week.
22:27Carolina week six and Dallas week seven. Those are much easier matchups than what he's dealing with this week and I don't
22:34know what the Lane Johnson situation is going to be.
22:37But maybe they start to get their offensive line a little bit better.
22:41Maybe they get Smith back. Maybe they get Goddard back and there's a little bit more of a respect for the passing game.
22:48That would be the hope for me because I do not want to play Will Shipley this week.
22:53So I would not be investing a lot of fab at all in him.
22:57But if you just look, okay, my week six situation is this.
23:01My backfield is just an absolute disaster and I need something for maybe the next two or three weeks.
23:06And again, it could be a waste because Barkley could play.
23:09But at least there's a chance that you are getting a starting running back.
23:14It's kind of similar to the Dolphins situation last week.
23:17And look, separate conversation. Clearly it worked out. Terrible team.
23:20Backups came in and tough matchup played well. Maybe the same thing happens for Shipley.
23:24Yeah. One of my fears with Shipley is that they just don't trust him to be a true running back and they
23:31elevate Damian Pierce and Damian Pierce leads the team in carries and they just keep Shipley in the change of pace role.
23:37So I think that's on the table. We'll see who they elevate.
23:41Maybe it's Jadon Blue and that's not quite as threatening, I guess.
23:44And then this question from the chat. Should I pick up Jeremiah Love's backup, Tyler Algier?
23:49Is he a top waiver wire ad this week?
23:52And I got to bring it up. Love has an ankle injury.
23:55He hurt his ankle during the game. His other ankle, not the one he hurt in the preseason.
24:00So it doesn't seem like he's going to miss time, but he's going to be on the injury report.
24:06I mean, he said he was fine after the game, you know, so it's, it's, uh, I didn't include him.
24:12I should probably go back and add him, but I have him listed in the handcuffs to stash it.
24:18It's, it's certainly worth exploring. Yeah. He might be the goal linebacker.
24:21No, week three, week three Algier was not the goal linebacker.
24:24My love was everything. Week four. He might be the third downback too.
24:28What's that? He's definitely there. That is. Michael Fleur said as much after the game.
24:33Yeah. They're passing downs back and their goal line guy.
24:36Yeah. Well, he didn't say the goal line part.
24:38Right, right. His, his usage in week four certainly suggested that.
24:42So last week was a big fab week. So Ali Gordon and some other guys go for at least 25, 30% routinely.
24:48Um, Jamie, how about this week with fab? I think it comes down to what you need because there's a lot of
24:55different moving parts for, for this week. I wouldn't go crazy with the backup receivers because there's not, it doesn't appear to
25:01be long-term absences for DJ Moore for the Bengals guys.
25:04At least that's what we hope. Um, for Justin Jefferson, you know, these guys presumably could all return for week five.
25:10I think the one that I would spend a lot on if he's still available would be Emmanuel Wilson because he could win you a week this week.
25:19You know, I don't think San Francisco's run defense is one you fear.
25:23Um, and Wilson just showed you everything that you want from a CIO.
25:26He basically liked Ken Walker in the playoffs. I know I'm not to the same extent or the same type of player, but production was, you know, amazing.
25:3527 PPR points. So it could also be a short-term solution or short-term answer because of, as we just alluded to, Charbonnet's
25:41return, Mixon's, uh, signing, et cetera, et cetera. Um, quarterbacks, there's, you know, Jacoby Brissette's my favorite one, but if you miss on Brissette, there's Kirk Cousins.
25:49If you miss on Cousins, there's Aaron Rodgers. If you miss on Rodgers, there's Sam Darnold or Deshaun Watson or any of
25:56these guys, you know, so it doesn't feel like there's one that's a huge standout over the other.
26:01Brissette would be my favorite, uh, for his matchup and usually what he gives you, but, um, I wouldn't go crazy, you know, spending fab there.
26:09And then tight end is kind of the same scenario here of Gusecki would be the one I would try to get first.
26:16We know how that can go again if the Bengals are, are healthy.
26:19And then I thought Tyler Higby, you know, for what it's worth, given the fact that Pucco is healthy, Matthew Stafford's going to throw a lot.
26:27And I think you're going to get quality production, maybe not elite production, but quality enough production.
26:32But that position also, you know, there's, if you don't get Higby, there's Brenton Strange is coming, you know, I think that's the Bengals more than anything else.
26:40But, um, you got Brenton Strange, you got Hunter Henry, you have Michael Mayer now, who I think is going to be a thing for the Raiders.
26:48Like there's just a lot of different pivot plays here at the position.
26:52I think the, if you want to talk about fab, given two teams on a buy and Lamar, Tyler Huntley might get
26:59spent, the most money spent, most fab spent in the quarterback.
27:02All right. I got to correct something that I said yesterday on the, on the box score episode and it's irrelevant to this show.
27:09I don't know what happened. I don't know. I can't even explain how the error happened.
27:14If I did something wrong or the data was wrong, I gave out some route participation rates that were just way off.
27:20I said, who can, I said, Nico Collins ran like half the routes.
27:24He ran 90% of the routes and I said, Antonio Williams, this is where it really sparked from was as I was
27:31like, man, Antonio Williams had eight targets last week or something like that.
27:35He had a long touchdown call back and maybe he's someone you look at this week if McLaurin's out again, but he only ran, I don't know.
27:43It was like 40% of the routes or something, but no, that is not true.
27:47He ran more than 70% of the routes, Antonio Williams.
27:50So, um, I thought that was actually pretty encouraging and getting Daniels back.
27:54That could be a player that, um, that you look at in three receiver leagues this week if McLaurin doesn't play.
28:00So apologies for that. I don't know what the heck happened there.
28:04Your news and notes again, Lamar Jackson's got the ankle injury.
28:07They're at Atlanta, which could be a fun game and he may not play.
28:11So Jamie already mentioned Tyler Huntley scored, I think about 17, 18 points in both of his starts last year in six point per passing touchdown leagues.
28:19Marcus Mariota is going to miss some time, but Jaden Daniels is going to practice in full this week and hopefully play
28:26against the New York Giants and Tyson Bajant will start for the Bears.
28:30Uh, Saquon Barkley, you know about him and Bigsby Kyle Mononga is day to day with a thumb injury.
28:35So it looks like we dodged a bullet there with Mononga and man, Dave, who do you think is the best Bears
28:42running back this week at Green Bay? Still Swift.
28:44I would expect them to go back to a drive by drive rotation and they might've even been doing that already last week.
28:51I don't know. I didn't go back and check that stat.
28:54Maybe you guys did, but I think Swift is still the, the one a let's call it that.
29:00I'm an on guys. The one B. All right.
29:02Just don't fumble Deandre Swift. Uh, Jeremiah Love tweaked his other ankle, but yeah, we already mentioned that he should be fine.
29:09And Green Bay running back. Chris Brooks has an ankle injury and Rico Dowdle could play this week against the Colts.
29:15And Mike McCarthy says he and Jalen Warren will be a one, two punch.
29:19Hmm. We're thinking Warren still the better option and hopefully a really good option, uh, this week.
29:24And Zach Charbonnet is not going to play this week.
29:27And the Seahawks signed Joe Mixon and Robert Henry jr.
29:30And Kyle use check has a knee injury. He's week to week.
29:34I believe I haven't seen anything on Ramondre Stevenson.
29:37I think he's healthy. He's he was talking to the media after the game and there's no reports about any type of injury.
29:43We'll see what happens Wednesday, but for now I think Ramondre is going to play.
29:48She rice injured DJ. She rice. Uh, could miss a few weeks.
29:51We'll see. They have a buy thankfully, but DJ Moore shoulder, Jamar chase concussion, T Higgins adductor, Tyree kill is going to sign.
29:58Looks like in the next few days, buzz is Kansas city.
30:01We'll see what happens. Uh, Jalen lane for the commanders.
30:04He's got a serious injury. He's out. Uh, Jordan Tyson is a few weeks away from returning.
30:09Tank Dell is going to start practicing. Jamie, what's your interest level in adding tank Dell?
30:14Minimal. Uh, he's going to do more for the Texans than he will for fantasy.
30:19Pat Bryant has maybe, maybe. And Tyquan Thornton is out for the regular season and Matt Collins calf injury and lad McConkie foot injury.
30:26You know what? Forgot about that one when we were chargers receivers.
30:29Yeah, I'm sorry about that. Dave, how did the chargers receivers stack up with, uh, the bangles and Eagles?
30:35It's a bills guys. I'm coming around on Trey Harris.
30:38And if we're, we're talking maybe rest of season, then he's somebody you could slide in maybe ahead of them all.
30:44If it's just for this week, he's going to be behind the bills guys.
30:48But I think that he's got a chance to kind of earn more targets than Quentin Johnson.
30:53He's making fewer mistakes than Johnston is. And he's, he's kind of interesting.
30:57If McConkie's out, I think Trey Harris would be maybe a number three fantasy receiver.
31:02And the reason why I hesitated on tank Dell about a minute ago is because I think back to how good of
31:08a connection he had with CJ Stroud when the two were playing as rookies.
31:12And it's been a while since they've both been on the field a lot.
31:16And I don't know how much tank Dell will play, uh, at least coming back from his very serious injury, but maybe
31:23there's something there and Stroud for what it's worth has been throwing the ball overall, I'd say better than expected this year.
31:29And so maybe I shouldn't just poo poo tank Dell and say that in deeper leagues, he is worth a bench spot.
31:36Oh, well, we got a big news here for me and Rappaport.
31:39What's happening? Lamar Jackson, not, not like huge news.
31:42Sorry. I don't mean to scare people, but Lamar Jackson, uh, he's got a sprained ankle, gives him only an outside chance to play on Sunday.
31:50According to sources for Ian Rappaport, Jackson could end up missing multiple games based on how the rehab goes, but the injury
31:56is not considered long term or surgical damn, that sucks.
31:59You've got to think that's going to impact say flowers a little bit too.
32:03Yeah, but there's no way you're sitting him. No, but I don't think you rank him as a top five receiver.
32:10It's a bad week for receivers. That's why you're going to rank him probably as top 12 receiver.
32:15Where do you, where do you have him ranked, James?
32:18Uh, I think around 10. It's, um, it's just hard to get away from still what he is and his numbers without
32:25Lamar Jackson, understandably so have been bad, but different offense.
32:27He's playing great. Hopefully he comes through, you know, maybe has the, uh, if we're going to call it ZSN, maybe he has this, the ZSN, ZSN.
32:35What'd I say? ZSN. You said Z instead of Zay.
32:38Oh, ZSN. Well, Z is his name. Sorry. Z is his name?
32:42Z is his initial. Z is his initial. Sorry.
32:45Um, anyway, hopefully he has Zay Flowers, uh, game like, um, like Smith and Jigba had with Drew Locke.
32:50That'd be awesome. Games. All right. I'll take a look and see how many times a receiver had, let's call it 15 PPR points with Huntley.
32:58Okay. And Huntley's life and his life back to middle school.
33:01And, uh, you know, it wasn't a terrible week for like long term injuries at running back or receiver necessarily like last
33:08week was, but it was pretty bad at offensive line.
33:11And, uh, Rashawn Slater is going to miss some time.
33:14Joe Alts injured the chargers offensive line. They're facing a Broncos team.
33:17That's going to be missing. Definitely Sertan and maybe both of their starting corners, but their offensive line is so beat up.
33:24I don't even know if it matters. Paris, Johnson left tackle for the Cardinals.
33:28He's out for the season. Also their right guard, Isaiah Adams left an injury.
33:32I don't know the status there, but Cardinals lose their left tackle for the season and Minnesota loses their guard Donovan Jackson for the season.
33:39All right, let's get to the top three at each position.
33:43While Dave is looking up that Tyler Huntley stat, let's see what Jamie's top three quarterbacks are.
33:48I know it's Jacoby Brissett and then who else?
33:50Uh, Brissett would be one cousins would be two and Rogers would be three.
33:55And our cousins and Rogers good week five plays or are these bench players or like, um, they're, they're in the mix.
34:01I mean, look, cousins doesn't have an easy matchup, but so what?
34:05He's been 19.8 fantasy points or more in all four games of the season and he's just playing fantastic right now.
34:11Kubiak's system has been great. And the last two games with Brock Bowers on the field has been fantastic.
34:17So I know the Patriots are a tough defense.
34:19He's got to go across the country to play them.
34:22So I wouldn't have high expectations for him, but if I don't have Bryce Young or Holmes and I just lost Lamar
34:29Jackson and I can't get Brissett, this is the pivot play that I would make.
34:33And hopefully he just stays hot and maybe has, you know, another opportunity to throw the ball well in this game against, um, against Patriots.
34:41And then for Rogers, look back to back games of 24 points, um, that's, I think it might be 24 of 20, 27.9 points.
34:48Excuse me. excuse me. So the last two games and this Colts defense, I don't think is very good.
34:53So hopefully Rogers has another opportunity to play well, uh, for a third straight game.
34:58So they're not like, Oh my God, I really want to start Kirk Cousins or Aaron Rogers, but you know, you might
35:04be desperate and looking at, you know, some of the other options on waivers.
35:08I think these for the majority of leagues are the two best guys you can find if you can't get Brissett.
35:15Did I not hear the name Jameis Winston? So Jameis will be fourth for me.
35:19Um, I think just looking at it as another great matchup, but I'm going to trust the way that those two guys
35:26have played more so than I trust Jameis, but he's right behind them.
35:29So you look at, I don't know how you have ranked.
35:33I have them almost back to back to back.
35:35So Jameis has such a high ceiling, but such a low floor.
35:39Um, it's just, you know, which Jameis is going to show up, but yes, absolutely.
35:43Jameis should be in a conversation. I didn't know if you wanted me to get more than three items.
35:49The top three is fine. And by the way, Aaron Rogers back to back games with more than 25 fantasy points and
35:56six point per passing touchdown leagues for the first time since he won the MVP in 2021, there were 57 games in
36:02between the last time he scored 25 or more fantasy points in consecutive games.
36:06Aaron Rogers, pretty cool. Um, all right, running back Dave, who are the top three running backs to get?
36:12Assuming Emmanuel Wilson is available, he's numero uno. I've got Keaton Mitchell behind him and I've got Will Shipley third.
36:18Okay. And Jamie, let's go to wide receivers then.
36:20Yeah, buckle up. Um, it's, uh, again, assuming, assuming the, uh, the injuries are what they are and we're expecting T Higgins to play.
36:28Uh, first would be Tyree kill just with the assumption that he's going to sign with the chiefs and hopefully is healthy
36:34and hopefully can play a big role. But I think long-term he has the most upside of probably anybody on this list.
36:41Coleman would be second. And I have, if you read the story, I have Coleman and Shakir kind of package together.
36:47So, uh, I wouldn't necessarily put him third, but Coleman and Shakir together.
36:51And then Dante Myers and,, uh, Mitchell Tinsley are also together in the story.
36:55But if you're just looking at it, the three individual players, Hill would be one, Coleman would be two, Myers would be
37:01three, but there's just a whole group of guys that are sort of bunched together that you can sort of mix and
37:08match depending on who's and, and depend and what you need short-term versus long-term.
37:12I think we should talk a little bit about Dante Myers because he, he's a 26 year old rookie with a, with
37:18a fun story, but Dave, he looked really good out there and he had seven catches for 82 yards.
37:24And when you compare him to like Mitchell Tinsley, Mitchell Tinsley had a game with nine targets last year, had 22 yards.
37:31Uh, he had a game with seven targets last year.
37:34He had three catches for 49 yards. He had a six target game.
37:37He had two catches, 29 yards and a touchdown.
37:40It's really all we can go off. It's small sample stuff, but like Myers, yeah, I mean, look, it just looked really good out there.
37:48And does he need both guys to be out in order to be start worthy?
37:52Or do you think Dante Myers is a start?
37:55If only one of those receivers misses the game, he needs both guys out to be start worthy.
38:00And that's why it's hard to rank him, uh, high, unless you're a T Higgins manager and you've got T on your
38:06team and you're worried about T not playing, or you're believing that T Higgins, the late fourth quarter injury that he had is going to keep him out.
38:15And again, we're talking about this on a Tuesday morning.
38:18They haven't had a practice yet this week. If he doesn't practice by Thursday, you could start T if T doesn't practice
38:24by Thursday, then you could start to get really encouraged by Dante Myers, like the talent a lot.
38:30I think he'll play a lot. I just think the way that offenses have operated against Miami this year have been lots
38:36of running, lots of short area passing, not a ton of volume to wide receivers in part because they don't have to.
38:43The dolphins aren't pushing teams on the other side.
38:45So as my, as my buddy prop stars would say, they are not a good dance partner when it comes to getting numbers up.
38:52Whereas Jacksonville was a good dance partner for Cincinnati to keep throwing.
38:56And that's why Myers had nine targets for seven and 82 last week.
39:00And also it helped that Jamar chase left the game.
39:03All right, then you know what, Dave, I'm going to give you the top tight ends and ask the same question about Mike a sickie.
39:10Does he need both of the guys to be out in a good matchup for tight ends?
39:15Cause I assume he's number one. So who are your top three at tight end?
39:20It's really close between a sickie and TJ Hawkinson.
39:22And it's obviously contingent on players on their own teams, missing the game.
39:26You're not going to be interested in TJ Hawkinson.
39:29If Justin Jefferson plays and you're not going to be interested in a sickie.
39:33If T Higgins plays and Jamar chase gets through the concussion protocol and ends up playing against Miami.
39:38The only reason why I have a sickie hires because we have seen a sample of him when one of the wide
39:45receivers are out getting some good target volume. It's not consistent.
39:48It's not every single time, but it's a lot of the time.
39:52And for whatever reason, Joe Burrow looks for him in the red zone.
39:56We've seen it a couple of times. We saw last week for crying out loud and get sickie touchdown in three of
40:02his last four games, taking on his former team, not going to get a ton of targets, but might get three catches and find the end zone.
40:10Not a top 10 type of fantasy tight end.
40:13I don't even love saying it, but I just think the matchup is a little bit better for him.
40:18Whereas I'm not sure if I'm ready to trust TJ Hawkinson to get a ton of targets for the second week in a row.
40:25Jamie's third guy is Higby. How do you feel about that?
40:29Mine too. Mine too. And to be honest, like you can make the argument for any of these three to be the
40:35top tight end to go get off the waiver wire.
40:38And at least in the case of Higby, okay, we know that Pukenaku is going to play and we know that Devante Adams is going to play.
40:46We look at that matchup against Buffalo. We see that terrible Buffalo defense.
40:50We see their pass rush, which is just at best.
40:53Okay. And you think there's going to be a ton of points scored and that the Rams are going to have their
41:00way and find a way to 30 points. And you're going to want to start players on the Rams.
41:05And Higby is one of those guys that gets a good amount of targets.
41:09I've got your Huntley numbers whenever you want to hear them.
41:13Oh, they're your Huntley numbers, baby. Let's hear them.
41:15They're Tyler Huntley's numbers and they're not good. So it's not like he's made a ton of starts since 2021, but the
41:22best wide receiver with Tyler Huntley is Tyreek Hill in 2024 with the Dolphins 19.5 PPR fantasy points.
41:27He needed nine targets to do it. The next best is Rashad Bateman in 2021 with the Baltimore Ravens.
41:33He had 17.3 PPR points. That was on eight targets.
41:36The third best wide receiver is Hollywood Brown in 2021 with 14.3 PPR points.
41:40He needed 14 targets to do that. Zay Flowers is on this list.
41:44He's number four, 14.1 PPR points on nine targets.
41:46So if Zay Flowers is going to get a lot of targets, Tyler Huntley is going to look for him.
41:52Sure. He's got a chance to finish as a top.
41:55This is called like an 18 wide receiver. If we're talking about 14 PPR points, but that's it.
42:01Those are the only four receivers in Tyler Huntley.
42:03I'll get the number of starts if you want them who have had 14 plus PPR points.
42:08The guy who's really done well is Mark Andrews.
42:11And even a lot of those games, you've got to go back.
42:15You've got to go back several years. All right.
42:17So it's not great. Okay. Yeah. I gave this stat yesterday.
42:20It's the most amazing stat. We'll do DSTs in a second.
42:24Zay Flowers has run 45 routes with Lamar Jackson.
42:26What is that? Okay. How does that compare? That's a, that's a, a big week.
42:31You know, there are 11 wide receivers who ran 45 routes in week four alone.
42:35But this year, Zay Flowers has run 45 routes with Lamar Jackson on the field.
42:40And he has scored 65.3 fantasy points in those 45 routes.
42:43That's a game. That's like a, a game's worth of routes for sometimes not for a Ravens receiver typically, typically, but think about that.
42:50Think about it like Devon Bailey or any of the wide receivers that ran the 45 or more routes, the 11 of
42:57them that did it like T Higgins did it this week.
43:0065.3 fantasy points. That's how good Zay Flowers has been.
43:03But Jamie, we're here to talk about the waiver wire and we're here to talk about DSTs.
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43:29It's actually a great week for streaming DSTs. You got the Cowboys taking on the Bucs and their terrible offense right now with a backup quarterback.
43:37You got the Bengals against the Dolphins and what that offense has looked like.
43:41You got the Browns against the Jets. Jets can't run any offensive plays.
43:45But the number one DST to get, it might be the DST you're going to stick with for the rest of the season, is the Jaguars.
43:53I know everybody sort of pivoted away from them because of the Bengals and understandably so.
43:58They are awesome and now they're taking on a Philadelphia team that could be down six starters, two running backs, their best
44:04pass catcher, a best wide receiver, their best tight end.
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44:36Everybody loves the kickers. I would go with Chris Boswell against the Colts.
44:40They've been bad against opposing kickers. He got, how do you pronounce the Giants?
44:44Oh, Dominic Zavada. The reason the Giants are three and one.
44:47This kid is really good. Really good. He's second.
44:50He's second for me, but you want to make him first, that's fine.
44:54Cameron Dicker against the Broncos and then Harrison Meebus against the Bills.
44:58Love it. Okay. And we're going to take a break.
45:00Shallow leagues, deep leagues. I think we owe Tyreek Hill a little bit more time.
45:05Let's talk about him when we come back and we write back on.
45:09I think we'll be talking about him a lot in the next few days.
45:13Yeah, but you know, how good, how good can he be coming off this injury and at his age?
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47:12Tyreek Hill is 32 years old. He's coming off a dislocated knee and multiple torn ligaments in a gruesome injury in week four.
47:19He's playing pretty well at the time. 100 yards in week two.
47:225 for 49 and a touchdown at the Bills in week three.
47:26And then in about a half, 6 for 67 on six targets against the Jets.
47:30He still looked pretty damn good pretty fast last year.
47:33Dave, how much fab would you spend on him?
47:36And what are your expectations for Tyreek Hill? Obviously, we don't know where he's going to sign.
47:41The buzz is the Chiefs. But how good do you think he could be?
47:45I don't want to waste too much fab. I'm thinking it's got to be around somewhere between 15 and 20%.
47:51So it's a lot. It's a chunk. But we know what he's capable of doing.
47:55The only problem is if you look at his last two years with the Dolphins, and granted it's the Dolphins, his average in fantasy is not great.
48:03It's below 14 PPR points per game. And is that what we're going to get?
48:08Well, in this day and age, that's probably somebody that we would look at as a low end number two wide receiver, high end number three.
48:15But more importantly, that's a starter. And it's someone that I'd be okay with thinking that once he's back with a team,
48:22hopefully with a core competent quarterback, he can he can be in my lineup and earn some targets and not be 100% of himself, but 80% of himself.
48:30And that's kind of the floor view. You know what the ceiling view is.
48:34Somehow he's made his way back into being the old cheetah and he's with Patrick Mahomes and he's the number one target in Kansas City.
48:42And boy, defenses are going to be in a huge bind because who do you take out first between Tyree kill and
48:48Kenneth Walker, the third and defenses are already playing differently against the chiefs than they have before.
48:53And Tyree kill can potentially crush them, but that's if he's the old Tyree kill.
48:58And we just don't know. We've seen him running in sand.
49:01His legs look strong. We don't know anything else.
49:04But again, in theory, he's going to sign with the team.
49:07He's going to pass a physical. He's going to get acclimated to an offense.
49:11And there's real potential for him to be a starter for your fantasy team rest of season.
49:16Okay. Jamie, let's talk about the shallow league guys.
49:19Some of the best shallow league options. I think obviously Zach Charbonnet is someone.
49:23Josh, take a look. Just see if Josh Jacobs is available.
49:26Zach Charbonnet as well. Who else? CJ Stroud. Dave alluded to this earlier.
49:30Stroud with two games with Nico Collins averaging 23.8 fantasy points.
49:33So the way this defense has performed, this might not be the week because of the Titans, but he's clearly been asked
49:40to do a lot more than I think the Texans would like.
49:43And I'm sure fantasy managers have expected, but he's been a pleasant surprise when he's had his number one receiver.
49:49Don't love Sam Darnold particularly this week, but he does have the opportunity to continue to play at a very high level
49:56based on what we've seen so far. So Darnold is certainly within, I'm sorry, I do like Darnold this week.
50:02I don't like Darnold's upcoming schedule after this week.
50:05He gets a lot more challenging. But those are two quarterbacks that you should pivot to again if you're missing some guys.
50:11Running back has some pretty interesting names. It's not the most highly available guys, so I kind of extended it a little bit.
50:18Usually I try to cut it off at 80%, but you got Alvin Camara at 83%.
50:23It wasn't a great game, but he did score two touchdowns.
50:26Kendra Miller fumbled. Charbonnet, like you mentioned, 82%. Jordan Mason is one week away from coming back.
50:31Actually, well, two weeks away, one game away from coming back because their bye is week six.
50:36But Jordan Mason may be somebody that long-term could be someone you want to have on your roster.
50:41Obviously, Ollie Gordon should be added where available with the way that he just played and looking like he's the Dolphins guy for the foreseeable future.
50:49And then we got the report going into week four about Woody Marks getting more work.
50:54It didn't necessarily translate in week four, but David Montgomery just continues to struggle.
50:58So that's an easy one to just pick up and stash and see what you have from him moving forward.
51:04Wide receiver, there's a couple of names that you should definitely be picking up.
51:08Look, first off, we don't know 100% that it's going to be the Chiefs.
51:12So Xavier Worthy could be the healthiest Chiefs receiver coming out of their bye week.
51:17He should be added, at least at this point, wherever available.
51:20He's 74% rostered. Devon Vele, another big game last night.
51:23It was a garbage time touchdown, but he had some big catches.
51:26And I thought, I think as long as Jordan Tyson remains out, like you said earlier, it's going to be a few weeks away until he's available.
51:34So Devon Vele now three games out of four with at least 11.4 PPR points.
51:39And Romeo Dobbs coming off his big game with nine targets and two touchdowns.
51:43He's going to be relevant for the Patriots until A.J.
51:46Brown returns. And then at tight end, Mark Andrews is probably the one you want to go get first.
51:5182% rostered. He should have an opportunity with Tyler Huntley to get a few, hopefully, extra targets and just some of those
51:58easy throws that they'll probably want Huntley to make.
52:01So you'd rather have Andrews than Sadiq? I would rather have Andrews than Sadiq for this week.
52:06And so I think you're going to see Sadiq just dropped in a lot of leagues because people just look at production.
52:12Geno Smith threw, what, 13 passes in that game?
52:15And whatever it was, 17 passes in that game.
52:18Eight targets went to both Garrett Wolfe. So he's still going to get opportunities.
52:22It's just a matter of can you carry him with, just based on potential.
52:26So if you can afford to carry two tight ends, I wouldn't want to start Sadiq this week.
52:31I'd want to see it at least one more time.
52:34But I just hope it's not going to be what we see with these great matchups.
52:39Like these guys take advantage of great situations and then they don't perform at that same level again.
52:44Man, you were so close twice. 15 pass attempts for Geno Smith.
52:48I got a neighborhood. Yeah, we took the average.
52:50Okay. Okay. I don't know why I talk like that.
52:53Devon Vele, you know, his target share is really not that impressive.
52:57But Tyler Shuck has the most pass attempts in football and it's not even close.
53:01Tyler Shuck has 180. Next up is Stafford and Bryce Young and Jared Goff at 162 or 161.
53:07So he has 18 more pass attempts, Tyler Shuck, than any quarterback right now.
53:11So Vele, you know, that's probably going to come down a little bit.
53:15He's not going to average 44, whatever, 45. Yeah, 45 pass attempts per game.
53:19But Vele, I'd like to see the target share be higher, but should still be a lot of target.
53:25Good enough. All right, Dave. Devon Vele. I picked Devon Vele up in the preseason.
53:29None of these guys are available in my league.
53:32Who are the deep leaders? Why do I laugh every week?
53:35I don't know why, but I do. I think it's funny.
53:38All right, let's talk about Jameis Winston for a quick second.
53:41He's taking on the commanders. Before last week, they allowed at least 30 fantasy points to every quarterback that they faced.
53:48And then they took on Daniel Jones and Daniel Jones was a total mess.
53:52And look, I watched Jameis play and maybe his release was a little bit faster, but really he took advantage of a favorable matchup.
53:59And he's going to have another one this week against Washington.
54:02So I kind of dig Jameis. I would rather have Brissett too, but I think that Jameis is in play as a low end starter this week.
54:10If you're really hurting for a quarterback, you can't get your hands on Jacoby Brissett.
54:15Jameis Winston, who's available in 89% of CBS leagues would be the guy.
54:18Rogers right behind him. And maybe if you're looking for somebody rest of season, Rogers is ahead of Jameis because I don't
54:25know how much longer Jameis will be the quarterback.
54:28Whereas Rogers is definitely going to be the quarterback of Pittsburgh as long as he's healthy and he may not see a tough defense.
54:35You can look at their schedule and check me out on that.
54:38I mean, he plays Cleveland, but week 12 Denver, if the Broncos are healthy by then, there's a lot of favorable matchups
54:45coming up for Aaron Rogers at running back. We're assuming that Wilson, Keaton Mitchell are already rostered.
54:50Will Shipley is available in 98% of leagues. He would be the first guy to look at Joe Mixon would be up
54:56there too, but I wonder if Austin Eckler will get attention.
55:00I thought he looked pretty good as a part-time role player for Washington.
55:03And maybe it's just because he had fresh legs and a month from now, he might not look quite as good, but
55:10he'll at least get on the field before Joe Mixon.
55:13So if you're really in a pinch for a running back and you can't get your hands on Shipley, maybe Eckler is the next guy you go after.
55:21And again, 96% available. I don't know how much I buy into Kamani Vidal now making it a three headed monster with
55:28the chargers, but he also, he started the game for LA and he didn't look half bad.
55:33He's kind of a desperation running back ad. He's out there in 94% of leagues.
55:37We talked about Tyreek Hill. We talked a little bit about Trey Harris.
55:41I like him better than Quentin Johnson moving forward.
55:44Cam Coleman is available in over 80% of leagues.
55:46So he makes a lot of sense. Talked about Dante Myers.
55:50If there's another wide receiver who's available in 90% plus leagues to talk about, it's Aaron Rogers, new number two receiver.
55:56And it's Roman Wilson, six targets in every game touchdown and at least 15 PPR points in each of his last two games.
56:03I think he's displaced Michael Pittman as their number two wide receiver in that offense.
56:07And then a tight end it's Gesicki and it's Higby.
56:10Hawkinson's available in about two thirds of leagues, but Gesicki and Higby, they're out there in about 80% of leagues.
56:16If you're in one of these tight end premium leagues where Gesicki and Higby are already rostered, Darnell Washington's been running about
56:23half the routes each of the last two games and they seem to have like plays designed for Darnell Washington.
56:29It's good for about three catches a week. Yeah.
56:31And he can rumble with them. So it's only in those super deep, you know, tight end premium leagues.
56:37He's barely rostered. And then there's also with Roman Wilson, just wanted to add that the Colts give up the second most receiving yards to slot receivers.
56:45So that's based. That's mostly where Roman Wilson lines up.
56:48And there was a shallow league guy. I don't know if you mentioned him.
56:52He's 89% rostered. Jaden Daniels. He's, you know, he's could be back, should be back this week.
56:57He was dropped. Yeah. You know, practice in full 89% rostered.
57:00And, you know, he hasn't had a lot of good production over the last two years, but he has left so many
57:07games early and week one was a startable game for him.
57:10He did fine. And week two, he scored 16 points at halftime.
57:14So, you know, Jaden Daniels is, I saw him picked up in a few leagues last week.
57:19I just take a look because I didn't even bother taking a look.
57:22I forgot. But just always scan. If you're on CBS, go to the most rostered page, sort by free agents, and you'll
57:29see, you know, some guys that slipped through the cracks that are 89% rostered.
57:33Especially with the bye weeks because they're not going to get projections.
57:37Exactly. Great call. Great call. All right, Dave. I'm sorry.
57:40Well, whoever. I don't care. Any quick thoughts on Atlanta and thumping the Saints here?
57:44But this game, 45-24. Any thoughts on that? I mean, the offensive line for New Orleans was a disaster.
57:50And so bad news coming this week because of what Brian Flores is going to throw at Tyler Stock.
57:55They just can't run the ball. You know, so it's just a matter of if they get behind, it's those pass rushers, and they're coming from every angle.
58:04Are just going to pin their ears back and come right after Tyler Stock.
58:08And he seemed to have some sort of hand injury.
58:11They were talking about this on broadcast, his left hand, so hopefully he's fine.
58:15But he took a beating in that game. I know he didn't take a lot of sacks, but he took a beating in that game.
58:22And they couldn't stop the run. You know, so hopefully that's a positive sign for Aaron Jones on the other side of the ball.
58:29I think just looking at it as right now, another guy that we really haven't mentioned is Brian Robinson.
58:35It's been three quality games for him in a secondary role, and he's got four touchdowns now, three of them last night,
58:42but four touchdowns in his last two games. So there's a chance for him to be in the flex conversation, very similar
58:48to what we talk about with Blake Corum and Trevion Henderson and these, you know, high-end backups that play a lot.
58:54He's actually producing. So Penix is another quarterback. Like, he looks great.
58:58He's just not throwing a lot and getting a lot of, you know, he hasn't had a multiple touchdown game yet in the two starts that he had.
59:06But he looks like just very confident and, you know, not a huge game for Drake London, but he hits the big
59:13play to Jahan Dotson late in the game. I just think right now the Falcons look scary.
59:18Defense looks great. Saints just really, you know, took a huge step back in my mind.
59:22I thought that they were going to play well.
59:25I think, you know, we had Tyler suck at the start of the week.
59:29We all had Chuck as a top three or four, three or top five quarterback.
59:34And so just a huge letdown and not what you want to see going up against Minnesota for this week.
59:40Look, it was a little unlucky. You don't expect the way the team's been running the ball.
59:45You don't expect Alvin Kamara to have two short yardage touchdowns.
59:48That was annoying. Those could have been passing touchdowns.
59:51He's averaging 45 pass attempts per game. As I mentioned, Michael Penix has made two starts and he has thrown a combined 45 passes.
59:58And yet Drake London, a bad game yesterday for him.
60:0196 yards, five catches for 96 yards for Drake.
60:03Kyle Pitts played like half the snaps. He got benched.
60:06I think he's going to play more going forward.
60:09They kind of talked about it on the broadcast.
60:12They didn't really know why he was benched at the beginning of the game.
60:16But, you know, look, he had they designed a few plays for him.
60:20They lined him up at full back and threw a ball to him.
60:24Drop or keep Kyle Pitts 79% rostered. He's justified holding him at this point when we have so many injuries and so many teams dealing with replacement options.
60:32So, like what, what, what's the point? They are going to have to throw more.
60:36I don't know about this week because Lamar is not going to play.
60:40It seems Baltimore, Chicago, San Francisco the next three weeks.
60:43I think they're going to have to throw more.
60:46I don't know. Their run game looks so good right now that maybe they won't.
60:50But and then on Jake Matthews. Yeah. Matthews. Yeah.
60:53They're starting left tackle. He missed most of the game.
60:56I don't know what the deal was there. Okay.
60:59That's one to watch, but that that's a defense that I certainly thought wasn't going to be good coming into the year.
61:05And then you notice pretty quickly in week one, hey, they actually have some dudes up front acquiring Jervon Dexter was big
61:12and they're going to be tough to run on for sure.
61:15Heath talked about it last week too. And it's just something to keep in mind moving forward that this Atlanta team, they've
61:21got a lot of fundamentals that they're very good at.
61:24Somehow they have a great pass rush. They have the third best third highest pressure rate in the NFL with all the
61:31injuries and suspensions they've had at defensive end. It's crazy.
61:34How many sacks do they have? If you don't know, I'll look it up right now.
61:39They have only seven sacks. So they haven't. So they're getting pressure, but they're not getting to the quarterback per se.
61:45Right. They only sack shuck twice last night, but you watch the game.
61:49They obviously. Right. He was running for his life.
61:51Had a move in all over the place. Exactly.
61:54All right. Drop-o meter zero to 10. Chris Godwin.
61:57Nine. Ten. Emeka Buka. Zero. Six. Ja'Cory Krosky Merritt.
61:59One. Three. Make or break game for him against the Giants.
62:03Got to be good. Dalton Schultz. Chad White might be back and they've got Austin Eckler there.
62:08I don't know how much work he's going to get.
62:11Yeah, we got to see. He might get like 11 touches.
62:14Dalton Schultz. Who is the name? Dalton Schultz. Eight.
62:16Brian Thomas Jr. Ten. Four. Jacoby Myers. Zero. Four.
62:19Corlin Sutton. Two. It was a 10 before the Pat Bryant injury, so now I would say it's a five.
62:25Fair. Justin Herbert. Ten. Five. The dude is still rostered in 83% of leagues and he has the Broncos.
62:31He's not being started. Broncos, Chiefs, and a buy.
62:33Rams, Texans. Like, come on. Why are we holding him?
62:36And his offensive line is a mess again. He may not have his number one receiver.
62:41It's just like, what are you doing? And the Broncos might be a decent matchup this week, but not with those offensive line injuries.
62:48All right. To go through the quarterbacks here, the shallow league guys were Stroud and Darnold.
62:53Do you like Brissette better than both of them, Jamie?
62:56I like Brissette better than both of them this week, yes.
62:59All right. Stroud's got the Titans. They've been, they're only fifth, they're fifth best against quarterbacks.
63:04I don't really know if I buy it, but that's what it's been so far.
63:08You know, it's funny for, for a division opponent, he's missed so many games against them.
63:13Stroud has. Interesting. And Sam Darnold, you know, the Niners have been pretty good so far.
63:18And then he's at the Broncos Chiefs. Darnold is pretty like, pretty damn good.
63:22He's still very efficient. He scored 17 points last week with 22 pass attempts.
63:26So there could be something here, but when he has a good matchup, he's really good.
63:31Yeah. Almost 600 yards in his last two games combined and six touchdowns.
63:35So he's a, he's, he's a serviceable low end guy.
63:38Like I would start Brissett over him. I would start Stroud over him.
63:41I start Rogers over him. I'd start Winston over him.
63:44Like there's, there's ways to cousins over him. Yeah.
63:47But what about Jalen hurts? I would not start Jalen hurts at all.
63:51Jacoby Brissett, Kirk Cousins and Aaron Rogers, and then Jameis Winston.
63:54Those were the top four. How many of them would you start over Drake May this week?
63:59Uh, I'd go back to me. I think he looked good last week and again, schedule starting to lighten up a little bit.
64:06I know the Raiders are tougher than we thought, but I would, I would pivot back to Drake May.
64:12So Brissett, I would start over him and that's it.
64:15It wasn't even like, as far as completion rate goes, it wasn't even his best game of the year.
64:20He didn't even complete 60% of his passes. I just felt like they did a good job of getting him on the
64:27move and that might've unlocked him a little bit.
64:29And he had his timing down with Romeo Dobbs.
64:32I'm, I'm, I'm with you, Jamie, I'm encouraged by Drake May, but I would still rather start Brissett.
64:37I thought Drake May looked great, but I think the pass rush for the Raiders is really, really legit.
64:43I know. And it bothered him when they played last year was the first game of the year.
64:48So they're going to need to do something to make sure that Max Crosby doesn't ruin his day.
64:54Deshaun Watson scored only 15 fantasy points last week, but he had scored 23 or more each of the previous two weeks.
65:00He gets the jets. He runs, you know, he, I know the week wasn't a great game against Pittsburgh, but Judkins had a good game.
65:08It wasn't that bad of a game. All right.
65:10Deshaun Watson's still an option. Yeah. He's, he's in the conversation.
65:14You say he runs his 22 rushing yards or more in all four games.
65:18That's awesome. He actually lowered his average. He was averaging 35 yards per game in the first three games on the ground.
65:24So he's going to give you a, you know, two to three points on the ground, which is great.
65:30And, you know, hit that second touchdown. We're in, we're in good, a good spot with Deshaun Watson.
65:35If you need a quarterback this week, I have a, for example, I have a Lamar Jackson, Bryce young league.
65:41So I'm gonna have to carry three quarterbacks. Uh, there are enough of them where I don't know.
65:47You have to make it your first claim. I mean, preset's pretty attractive, but if, if you don't get preset, I don't
65:53think cousins, Rogers, Winston, and Watson are all getting picked up in your leagues.
65:57So you probably can let waivers run and though then go out a free agent.
66:02Correct. And then you got Tyson Bajan. And if you had to take one in a two QB league, who would you take this week?
66:09Huntley against Atlanta or Bajan against green Bay, both on the road for just a one week situation.
66:14I'd go Bajan. Me too. Okay. Any interest in Kyler Murray?
66:18Assuming Jefferson's back. No. Nominal interest, but I think you can make the case easily.
66:22You make the case for preset, Winston, Rogers, Stroud cousins, not in that order, but those five quarterbacks ahead of him, you
66:29can make the case potentially for Penix ahead of Kyler at this point.
66:32To, to be fair, we have yet to see him play a full game with Justin Jefferson.
66:38So that could change everything for Kyler, but you know, he's averaging under 12 fantasy points per game in two starts and
66:44not running to the level that I would like to see.
66:47Like he came into the season averaging almost 35 rushing yards per game.
66:51And he, I think he has that combined. If he, if TJ Hawkinson goes in the end zone, at least to get
66:58six more points for Kyler last week, but still wouldn't have been a good game.
67:02All right. Shallow league running backs, Camara, Charbonnet. Yeah.
67:05Who would you, who'd rather have guys? Camara, Charbonnet, Charbonnet, thinking rest of season, Charbonnet, Kalon Black, Jordan Mason, Mike Washington, Ollie
67:11Gordon, Ollie Gordon, or if Ollie Gordon were available, would he be the number one priority of any position this week?
67:18I would rather have Emmanuel Wilson, but you're not going to get Emmanuel Wilson to be your guy for the rest of the season.
67:25So like the only reason why I'm pushing back is because maybe Gordon can play a role for your fantasy team beyond
67:31week five and week six, and he could be the Dolphins for whatever it's worth.
67:36The Dolphins lead running back rest of season. He ended up being that in week four, and that was awesome.
67:42I just don't think he's going to have very many games like that, but you might have more from Gordon rest of season than you will from Wilson.
67:50Yeah. I would just take the chance on what if Wilson is the best running back for Seattle versus what if Gordon
67:56is the best running back for the Dolphins. For the record, I mean, the Bengals run defense was great the first two
68:03weeks, been pretty bad the last two weeks. That's Gordon's matchup this week.
68:07Jalen. To your point, to your point, Jamie. Is there a world where Charbonnet comes back but doesn't have the short yardage goal line role?
68:14Oh, I would think that that's what they're going to try and do, especially coming off the knee injury.
68:20But I'll ask you this question. Please. Let's say it's it's those are the two guys that the Seahawks are using Wilson
68:26and Charbonnet and Charbonnet is a short yardage guy who gets more touchdowns rest of season Wilson without the goal line role or Gordon with every role.
68:34That's a great question. Right. But we got we do have Jadarian price coming back at some point, so I don't know what's going to happen there.
68:42But all right. Woody Marks is another guy to take a look at.
68:46But the top waiver priority is Emmanuel Wilson, who's 64 percent rostered and was picked up in a lot of leagues.
68:52Now, this is not an easy run defense. The 49ers give up three point nine yards per carry to running backs.
68:59Then they get the Broncos, who have actually been a pretty bad run defense.
69:03Keaton Mitchell. Yeah, basically all three running backs played the same amount of snaps.
69:07Mitchell slightly ahead of the other two, but they all played about a third of the snaps.
69:12Mitchell had five catches a week after having three catches.
69:15So he's number two on this list. Will Shipley is third.
69:18We went through all the reasons why we don't love Will Shipley.
69:22They might they're going to elevate someone. We don't know if Shipley is going to be the lead back, but also it's
69:28a horrible matchup this week against Jacksonville. Then much, much better with Carolina.
69:32Carolina was really bad against the run in week one against the Bears.
69:36They haven't quite been that bad since actually, despite facing B.
69:39John and Gibbs. Brian Robinson, Jr., Austin Eckler, Jalen Wright, and then a whole bunch of handcuffs to add.
69:45Make sure you get, you know, the Emmitt Johnson's, the Tyler Algiers, etc.
69:49The Brian Robinson, Jr.'s at wide receiver. Oh, by the way, if you're in a deep league, would you pick up maybe Damian Pierce?
69:56Can I make the case? We don't know if he's going to be the guy.
70:00We think he's going to be the I wouldn't be surprised they add somebody.
70:04I mean, what about what about the Packers running backs if they were available?
70:08No interest. Not a lot of interest. All right.
70:11And then we got Devon Vele and we get some news on Josh Jacobs.
70:15I don't care if it's positive or negative. It's just something.
70:19We got Devon Vele, Xavier Worthy, and Trey Tucker, Wandale Robinson.
70:22Carnell Tate is 80% rostered. He's another guy. If he were out there, he might be your number one claim.
70:28Carnell Tate at 80% facing the Texans who give up the most fantasy points to the wide receivers.
70:33It's crazy, right? Yeah, it's insane. Do you think a lot of that has to do with who they've played?
70:39Yes. Sure. All right. Yes. I mean, that Colts passing game is just so scary.
70:43But DJ Moore, Jamar Chase, T Higgins, Keenan Allen, CeeD Lamb all had big games.
70:48Four of those guys are our studs. Josh Downs also had a really nice game.
70:52Daniel Jones just carved him up. Nine targets for Tate each of his last, at least nine for Tate each of his last two games.
71:00At least 11.8 PPR points. And Romeo Dobbs is also a shallow league guy.
71:04Tate, I'm sure, would be number, I think would be number one.
71:07But between Vele, Tucker, Worthy, Wandale, and Dobbs, who's your favorite?
71:11Bailey. I might say Dobbs. All right. Because eventually Jordan Tyson will play at some time.
71:15I did say Dobbs. Would you say Dobbs? Sorry, I was my cousin Vinny-ing.
71:20Tyreek Hill is our favorite wide receiver to get, but also if you need something more immediate, Keon Coleman, Khalil Shakir, Dante Myers.
71:26You know what? I'm not going through this. We already did this like four times today.
71:31It's so, it's so, so, so convoluted of what depends on this and depends on that.
71:36Like, this is one of those scenarios where it's very much in your favor and you won't even know what the Buffalo
71:42situation to have your waivers run on Wednesday. Yes, sir.
71:45Roman, we need to do, we need to make that a bigger point during the off season to recommend that commissioners move their waiver wire data Wednesday.
71:53Roman Wilson, six targets in every game. Trey Harris has stepped up.
71:57We like him a decent amount. We like him better than Quentin Johnson.
72:01Malik Washington, you know, if you want like nine, 10, 11 points, Malik Washington.
72:05He's averaging seven targets per game. He's gotten you 11 plus PPR points each the last two, 12 being the high.
72:11So it's not like he's doing a lot and touchdowns are clearly a problem.
72:15I just don't know what to expect when everybody's healthy because we haven't seen it yet.
72:20You know, we haven't seen Chris Bell in week one was banged up.
72:24Caleb Douglas from week two on has been banged up.
72:27So like, what, what does this look like? And maybe there's a lot of positives.
72:31I don't have high expectations. Maybe there's a lot of positives when everybody's on the field and we see a better Malik
72:38Willis, but it just has been such a, such a hard receiving court to judge right now.
72:43I don't think Washington's role changes dramatically with either of those guys coming back or both of those guys coming back, excuse me.
72:50But still like he he's, he's got a very safe floor of about 10 PPR points.
72:54I think is probably where he'll end up. It's been 10 or 11 each of the last two weeks.
73:00And so Douglas is day to day apparently. So he could be back this week.
73:05He's missed the last two games. We're all day to day, Adam.
73:08We're all day to day. Yeah. Malik Washington had 67 yards last week with Malik Willis throwing for 85 yards.
73:14That's pretty impressive. Darius Cooper had two touchdowns and number one wide receivers do well against Jacksonville, but who's the number one wide receiver for the Eagles?
73:22We just don't know. And I think it's Wicks.
73:25Yeah, probably. If I, if I had to start an Eagles wide receiver, I'd go back to Wicks and Keenan Allen, you know, he didn't play last week.
73:33Maybe he plays this week against Pittsburgh. Don't forget about it.
73:36There was a reason why we were telling you to pick up Keenan Allen last week.
73:41Same with that. I Mitchell a few weeks ago, Antonio Williams, eight targets, had a touchdown call back, faces the Giants this week with hopefully his quarterback.
73:49I think I'll throw Casey Concepcion out there as well.
73:52He's had 17 targets in his last two games.
73:55He's 64% rostered. They seem intent on getting him involved.
73:58So I don't, I don't want to necessarily start him.
74:01So this tells me that prioritizing wide receiver on the waiver wire, maybe outside of Tyreek Hill and the bills guys, depending
74:07on how desperate you are, doesn't have to be a thing.
74:10You don't have to prioritize receivers because throughout this entire show, we've named like nine receivers that you might be able to
74:17find off the waiver wire and use this week and expect 10 plus PPR points from.
74:22And that's been the norm in fantasy for years and years.
74:25Are you going to drop Khalif Raymond to get one of these guys?
74:29Depends what you need. I mean, it's hard to trust Khalif Raymond right now.
74:33I think there's a world where he comes back to relevance.
74:36I mean, two of four games, he was great and he did that with two different quarterbacks.
74:41One with Case Keenum, one with Caleb Williams. So when Williams is there, is that a guy that Caleb leans on as
74:48opposed to what Baygent did, which was Baygent leaning on more so than we've seen at any other point this season, Romo Dunze and Colson Loveland.
74:55So there's just, I think that's going to be potentially an issue for these Bears receivers all year long, which is unfortunate
75:02for us until maybe Caleb just settles on the guys that he favors the most.
75:06But that could be Raymond. So I think when you look at it, you know, and Dave laid it out, you know, pretty, pretty perfectly.
75:14Looking at like the Bengals guys or the Bills guys versus somebody like Roman Wilson, I would rather start a Bills replacement
75:20or a Bengals replacement if everybody's out over Roman Wilson this week.
75:24But you said it, Adam Wilson, six targets in every game so far.
75:28He's had two big plays each of the last two weeks that have resulted in his fantasy production spiking.
75:33And clearly Aaron Rodgers favors him over, over Michael Pittman or Keenan Allen, for example.
75:38Like you said, we were high on him going into last week.
75:41He has the late week groin injury that knocks him out for the game.
75:45So like you can't start Keenan Allen this week right now.
75:49That may change by the end of the week.
75:51So it depends on what you're looking for, you know, short term, long term, like you want to handcuff a Bengals receiver.
75:58Sure. Go out and, you know, spend some fab on Dante Myers.
76:01And at least you have that amazing receiving core locked up or Keon Coleman with, with DJ Moore, et cetera.
76:07But, you know, if you don't need anybody at that spot, you're in a good, good situation.
76:12Like take a long-term approach and, and maybe it's, you know, Roman Wilson.
76:16I'm trying to think anybody else that I may have not said, but I was tired kill, you know, the leader of that group.
76:23Right. All right. Let's take a quick look at the tight ends here.
76:27Drop stash or start. Kenyon Sadiq. Stash. Stash. All right.
76:30So the guys to get this week is sicky, but it's injury dependent.
76:34Higby and Hawkinson. Hawkinson's injury dependent. Not the best week for tight ends.
76:38Hunter Henry had five targets in 62 yards. Faces the Raiders.
76:41They, they, on paper, they're bad. But if you look at it, they may not be that bad against tight ends.
76:47Um, Brenton strange against the Eagles. Michael Mayer. He's pretty interesting, but he only, he had a touchdown two weeks ago.
76:54He had 10 targets in this last game facing the Patriots.
76:57They're number one against tight ends, but they've faced pretty easy competition except for Dalton Kincaid who did nothing against them.
77:03Right. They throw to Kincaid and he played half the game.
77:06And yeah, that's, that's pretty much, I think mayor is going to be open for a pass catcher.
77:12He might be Michael Mayer. I mean, you're starting in a flex.
77:15You started Michael Mayer or Trey Tucker. I would start mayor if, if Gonzalez plays.
77:20It's a good way to go about it. Yeah.
77:22It's a week to week thing for sure. Someone asked me who's my Kalief Raymond this week.
77:27Cause I went big on Kalief Raymond. I think it'd be Keon Coleman.
77:31It'd probably be my Kalief Raymond. So don't. So if that's holds, then do not pick up Keon Coleman.
77:37Cause he'll be horrible and you'll drop them next week.
77:40A couple of things said about me in the chat that are not true.
77:44Adam puts ketchup on his steak. I would never do that.
77:47I don't put anything on my steak. If steak is good, it doesn't need sauce.
77:52And Adam is a Star Trek guy. I'm guessing people were making fun of my Star Trek shirt.
77:57Uh, no, I'm not. I've never seen Star Trek.
78:00Saw the movie once upon a time, but, uh, I'll just say next generation because, uh, I don't know the other one that you're referencing.
78:07There are a lot of great Star Trek episodes on Paramount plus.
78:11Oh, there you go. We will talk to you tomorrow.
78:14Actually, we'll talk to you at noon on CBS Sports Network, uh, for fantasy football today.
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