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0:34We don't know how to do it. Yeah, I don't know what to do.
0:38So hopefully that gets out there. Excited to hang out with you guys today.
0:42Did you know that Monday Night Football went into overtime?
0:45And then in fact it had multiple drives in overtime.
0:48It didn't end early. You don't know because you fell asleep?
0:51I was awake the entire time and then I was punched drunk.
0:54That game finished today. Yes. On East Coast time.
0:56Oh, did it go over midnight? I didn't even notice that.
0:59I didn't even notice. Yeah, absolutely. Mike was too busy calculating EPAs in his head.
1:04Exactly. What else would I be doing? He was eyes deep in his Excel spreadsheets right now.
1:08I don't have a concept of time during the season.
1:11That's fair. It's just one long every minute. Well, we got a bunch of stuff we're going to talk about on today's show.
1:17Not only is it a recap of that crazy Monday Night Football game, but we've got a long shots check-in.
1:23We're going to talk about our knockout leagues, who got eliminated and who might be available there.
1:27Obviously some waiver wire targets here in Week 6.
1:30A bunch of people are out. Four teams on buy.
1:33We'll dive into that. And then we've got a couple of fun games at the end called Is Sustainability the Best Ability?
1:39People say availability is the best ability. In fantasy football, I want people to sustain some of the starts they have.
1:45I would say beyond fantasy football, there are other things.
1:47We're sustaining is really important. I agree with you on that.
1:50Stamina is important. Yes. Yes. Durability on all of those things.
1:53But we're going to talk about that and a couple of guys there.
1:57And then we're going to dive into a quick fab budget game at the very end.
2:01It's going to be a lot of fun, as we sometimes do.
2:05So we will have a good time with that.
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2:15And with that, my friends, let's dive into Monday Night Football.
2:1837 to 34. We got 71 points scored on Monday night.
2:21I see Bonanza. Overhit. Yeah. Josh Allen didn't do great throwing the football, to be honest.
2:26Only 12 of 19 for 210 yards. But you know what he does do really well?
2:30Run. The dude is literally a Mack truck when he is out there as a running quarterback.
2:35121 yards on the ground and a rushing touchdown.
2:37Unbelievable. James Cook looked fantastic as well, outside of the two fumbles that he had.
2:41111 yards, plus 25 touches. Two touchdowns as well in this one.
2:45It was really just those two guys, to be honest.
2:47Before we move on to the Rams, we had the conversation of like, hey, if DJ Moore doesn't go, guess what?
2:53Probably going to be a Keon Coleman game. Well, ish.
2:56Yeah, he did have one catch for seven yards and a touchdown.
2:59It was in the end zone. It was the end zone.
3:02Two targets. One catch. So if it wasn't Keon Coleman, it must have been a Dalton Kincaid game.
3:07No, it wasn't him either. All right. Three duds in a row.
3:10Yeah, one catch for seven yards there. Are there any other pass catcher?
3:14I mean, at this point, after seeing the first five weeks of the season, does it just feel like more of a,
3:20you're going to be guessing which pass catcher, not named DJ Moore, will be the one to step up when he is out?
3:26Yeah, one of the weird changes this year for the Buffalo offense is they're throwing to their running backs more.
3:32And then not James Cook, though. Not James Cook.
3:34I know. We saw Ray Davis have a big play last night.
3:38Ty Johnson has been very busy. Yeah. Four for 72 last night.
3:41They love him in that role. They always have.
3:43And that's not going anywhere. Now, the reason the receivers, the pass catchers didn't do much last night was because the running
3:49backs were leading the team in receiving by far.
3:52No one had, I think it was the fourth quarter, and the two running backs had like 40 plus yards, and no
3:58one else had more than seven yards. It wasn't until that Khalil Shakir.
4:02In overtime. Yeah. So it was kind of an odd one.
4:05Josh Allen only attempted 19 passes because he didn't have to throw it very much.
4:09They were dominating this game on the ground last night.
4:11So, yeah, Allen's fine. We're still firing up Cook as a mid-range RB1.
4:15And when DJ Moore comes back, we love him.
4:17But that's about it right now. Yeah. Josh Allen spread it around to eight different pass catchers.
4:22I do think that the urge for DJ Moore from the coaching staff is going to be moved forward because obviously nobody
4:28wants Josh Allen to be putting his body in jeopardy like that.
4:32We know that there's a history of when that happens, what could also happen in the Super Bowl window at this team's avail.
4:38So you're right when he passes, when he throws the ball just 19 times.
4:42Also, when you look at his rushing stats, we said 121, but can we contextualize that?
4:46Obviously, I think we all know he's the QB one in rushing yards and rushing scores.
4:50Number two is Jaden Daniels, who missed time and has 203 rushing yards and two rushing scores.
4:55So what a gap between one and two. Wow.
4:58He's been unbelievable so far this year. On the other side, let's talk about a non-rushing quarterback.
5:02Matthew Stafford couldn't be more opposite of Josh Allen if he tried, but he was unbelievable throwing the football.
5:08Again, three passing touchdowns looked fantastic. This is what he does when he doesn't utilize his legs.
5:12Pukunukua, unbelievable performance. Very odd game. 24 targets, guys?
5:15The most targets since we saw Brandon Marshall had 28 back in the early 2000s, it feels like.
5:20Is there anything to say about this offense other than when the Rams are operating at the full efficiency that we expect?
5:26This is what you think. It's Pukunukua. It's Devontae Adams.
5:28It's Kyron Williams. It's Matthew Stafford operating at a high level.
5:31It was a pretty chalk performance from a fantasy perspective.
5:34Yeah, it was. Devontae Adams scores the two touchdowns, which he was doing nothing for most of that game.
5:39Their game plan was clearly, we're just going to get the ball in Pukunukua's hands as much as they possibly can.
5:45At one point, he had a stat line that looked like R.J Harvey's last week with the 10 catches for 72 yards.
5:51I was actually keeping tabs on this. He was, before overtime, before overtime started, Pukunukua had set the record for fewest receiving
5:57yards with 15-plus catches all time for a non-running back.
6:00Austin Eckler had like an 18-catch 92-yard game. Wasn't Wandale Robinson in that conversation a couple years ago?
6:05Wandale had one similar earlier in the game, but as Pukunukua kept racking up catches, the yardage just wasn't adding up, and he was still under 100 yards.
6:13So he ended up with 138 and a touchdown because of overtime.
6:16But, yeah, I mean, look, he's right up there with JSN.
6:19Yep. Because obviously the two best receivers in fantasy, no doubt about it.
6:23It's pretty straightforward on Adams, to your point. I think the other one, the other notable here is Kyron Williams, the pass-catching
6:29work has got him to a new level. I mean, he had eight targets.
6:33This is unheard of. He just was never utilized this way.
6:36He's also dominating Blake Horm and carries over the last three weeks.
6:39But not in terms of efficiency. Not in terms of, no.
6:42I think that's, like, what trips people up, though, because Coram is the more efficient runner.
6:46But 67 yards through the air for Kyron Williams.
6:49He's averaging nearly 22 fantasy points per game. I think he's the RB5.
6:52Yeah, and that's kind of where he should be ranked.
6:55That's where I was going with that. He usually was, like, a fringe RB1.
6:59I feel like now he's in that top-five conversation because of the pass-catching.
7:03Coram did some good production in the passing game last night as well.
7:06But it's still, the separation between these two is still pretty massive.
7:09Sean McVay prefers Kyron, and that doesn't seem to be going anywhere.
7:13I love the Rams schedule coming up. Arizona, the Raiders, the Chargers, Washington, and Arizona again.
7:17Like, I'm not really worried about any of those defenses, to be honest.
7:21And I do feel like, as much as I want Blake Coram to be a thing, unless he gets in the end
7:27zone, this is the Kyron Williams show. Maybe one of the most important insurance packs still in the NFL because you know
7:33what he can do if he ever gets that role.
7:36But I'm not sure that we're at the point where you can utilize him as a standalone option yet.
7:41As much as I wish. Yeah, Coram last night was, like, best-case scenario.
7:44Yeah. To get a long catch and then more receiving.
7:47I think they target him, like, three straight plays.
7:50That never happens for Blake Coram. Yeah, it's unheard of.
7:52Of, you want, weeks one and two he had, it was like an even split in carries, which is like, oh, he
7:58thought it might trend that way this year. The gap has just widened massively the last three games.
8:03That NFL meme was so good. It was an office meme.
8:06Oh, man, I missed it. That was a great one.
8:09I love that. This is why you should watch the YouTube chat for early YouTube feed.
8:14When I watch film later of the pod, as I normally do.
8:17Yes, right, right, right. I don't catch it. I appreciate that you were locked in to your analysis and you weren't paying
8:23attention to what was on the screen. Some of us have to work.
8:26Good for you. Yeah, exactly. There you go, Mike.
8:29Here you go. The Rams super team after five weeks.
8:32That's just a good story. Rams and Jets, both two and three, unfortunately.
8:35Rams are better than that. They'll be okay. All right, let's talk about some long shot checks.
8:40Well, anything left for Monday Night Football? Are you guys good with Monday Night Football?
8:44I feel like if you have any of the guys we talked about, you start all of them every single week.
8:50That's not going to change. Only note I had was that Matthew Stafford has thrown for over 300 yards in four straight
8:56games and has nine passing scores over that time.
8:58That's pretty good, Liz. Given the upcoming schedule we expect.
9:01Those numbers just stay steady. Yeah, I'm with you.
9:04Right back on that QB1 conversation. Love it. All right, let's dive into some long shots here.
9:08We had a few. Girl, I had to Google some of these names.
9:12Close as you probably should have to. Oh, boo.
9:14Elijah Higgins had an end zone target. Almost got in the end zone early in the game.
9:19Actually wasn't terrible. Bryce Lance for field. No, did not get in.
9:22Mike, you had Eli Raritan. Yeah, who played a lot in this game.
9:26Had a couple big plays in the game. Just couldn't find the end zone.
9:30That's been the story of our season. We are doing basically what Adam and Field do on Sundays.
9:35Yes. Long shots. That's what we're accidentally doing. We're not getting the touchdowns.
9:38We are getting the target sketches and yardage this season.
9:41I like the counting pick, too. He ran as the number three receiver in that game.
9:45Kind of shared with Brandon Cook. So not bad on the picks.
9:49You did great, Mike. Eli Raritan cleared 10 fantasy points.
9:51Yeah, but we need touchdowns. We need to. Oh, that's what it is.
9:55I went and did all of these numbers. I pretended to be my clay.
9:59And I had a super calculator. And I was like, wow, Mike's really good.
10:03And then I compared them to your projection. I was like, he's even better than he thinks he is.
10:08That's right. That's right. It was really close. Yeah, that's the problem.
10:11We're getting the yards and the targets and the catches.
10:14We need the touchdowns. Yeah, we got close. We'll get there.
10:17We're on the right path. Good process. Bad results.
10:20Absolutely. I'm with you on that one. All right.
10:22Let's talk about some knockout league stuff here really quickly, my friends.
10:25In our knockout league, unfortunately, our good buddy Adam Rank is no longer with us.
10:29In our knockout league. Interesting. He has been knocked out.
10:32I heard he had some words for me after I was knocked out earlier this year on Fantasy Live.
10:37So interesting. Interesting. We did talk about you getting knocked out.
10:40He unfortunately had to start two tight ends. Dalton Kincaid, one of them.
10:44If Dalton Kincaid had done anything without DJ Moore, he probably thought he had a chance.
10:48Once he found out DJ Moore was ruled out, didn't really work out that way.
10:53Chris Olave didn't help either, unfortunately. You know what's interesting?
10:55When I got knocked out, I ate Christian McCaffrey.
10:58It looks like Adam Rank. Oh, isn't that interesting?
11:00Adam Rank added Christian McCaffrey. Third overall pick, potentially?
11:03Third overall pick. Christian McCaffrey is not winning people their knockout leagues?
11:06No, he knocked two people out now. How about that?
11:09You going to make a little bit here? I'm eliminated from that one.
11:12But I am alive in my other two. My other two knockout teams are very good.
11:17So I'm feeling pretty good. Do you have Christian McCaffrey?
11:19I think I am one of them. I believe I do in one of them.
11:24We'll see how that stands. I was going to say, with CMC going on, because you and I feel a certain way.
11:30I know Mike and Field feel a certain way about him.
11:33And I think the industry, you can definitely have one of two thoughts on the way that you look at Christian McCaffrey.
11:39How much would you use of your budget if you know that CMC?
11:42If I had all of them, CMC, I still view him, I would say, as a mid to back end first rounder for drafting today.
11:49So I would say 40 to 50% sort of in that range.
11:52I mean, if you... Because he's a set and forget.
11:55If you're getting him off of waivers for this knockout league, your plan is that you put him in the running back
12:01spot this week and he stays there the rest of the season and never comes out.
12:06Yeah. Depends on how much you've left, of course.
12:08You're always adjusting for that, what is left in the league.
12:11But yeah, I mean, I'd go pretty aggressive, especially if I'm bidding against you two.
12:15Against us? Yeah. Yeah. Because I know your bids will be low.
12:19Luckily for that, we are not bidding against Michael because we're still in the league.
12:23I'll bid in my other leagues. I'll talk with Adam Rank about being mean to you.
12:27Yeah. Well, I'm going to see him today. I'll bring it up on Wednesday.
12:31All right. All right. We'll do mores there with the knockout leagues.
12:34Very excited to see what else we can grab from the knockout leagues.
12:38I don't think I'm going to go after Kyle Pitts in that one, guys.
12:42I'm probably going to leave him on waivers. I don't know.
12:45He's trending up. Don't, Michael. No? No. Honestly, you look at the squad.
12:48He's got CMC, Chris Olave, Lamar Jackson, and Justin Jefferson.
12:51Like, he got screwed that Lamar Jackson was hurt this week.
12:54Get Trevion Henderson too, right? Wait, he didn't use...
12:57Did he not use Jefferson? He started Mekai Lemon this week.
13:00That was a mistake. Maybe. Yeah, I'm not sure.
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14:16Let's look forward. Here in week six, guys. Couple of waiver targets.
14:19This is where we really make our money, guys.
14:22Couple of key players that are on by here in week six.
14:25We got four. No. Lions, Bengals, Vikings, Dolphins. Which means Jameer Gibbs, Jared Goff, Amon Ra.
14:29You also got Sam Laporta and Jameau. Joe Burrow, Jamar Chase, Chase Brown, Tee Higgins, Justin Jefferson.
14:34I hate all of this. Probably don't use Aaron Jones anymore.
14:37Ollie Gordon. There's a handful of guys here that we're going to have to make up for.
14:42So we're going to start at the quarterback spot, guys.
14:44Let's start with Jordan Love, if you don't mind.
14:47I'd love to. I'm just going to bring a couple names to the table.
14:51I want you to tell me yes or no.
14:53If you're interested or not interested off of. Okay.
14:56Interested in adding them off of waivers. Okay, there we go.
14:59I can speak. Jordan Love. Jordan Love's been really good.
15:01Three of his five games, 300 plus passing yards.
15:04All five games. Two or more passing touchdowns. But he only has one top 10 finish.
15:08The thing for me this week is we've seen a lot of volume.
15:12The running game isn't great. He goes up against the Dallas Cowboys this week.
15:16I feel really good about the matchup. Rostered in 47.9% of leagues.
15:19I think that if, for me, I would grab him off of waivers.
15:23And I could immediately put him into my starting lineup this week.
15:26Do you guys feel the same? Yeah. I agree 100%.
15:29This is my favorite J Love right now. Because I'm a little angry with my other J Love at the moment.
15:34But, yeah, look at the... And I'll give you props for this because you talked a lot about it during the offseason.
15:41Once the Josh Jacobs stuff happened, would Green Bay just flip to a very pass-heavy approach?
15:45And they're the third pass-heaviest offense in the NFL.
15:47They have no run game. And they've leaned heavily into the pass.
15:51Yeah, so good call by you. And it has worked out for Jordan Love in the passing game, obviously.
15:56Yep. I will say this. He's doing a very Matthew Stafford-like...
15:59Uh-huh. His production so far, he has negative two rushing yards so far.
16:03That's not great. So he's hurting you there. But he is making up with, like you said, two passing touchdowns in every game this season.
16:09They've also had a hard schedule. I have them with the league's hardest quarterback schedule so far this season.
16:15It is eighth easiest going forward. Wow. And that starts this week, of course, against Dallas.
16:19They have zero interceptions, only five sacks. The worst EPA against the pass.
16:23They've allowed 10 passing touchdowns. And their fourth most fantasy points to quarterback.
16:26So I think if you're looking at the streamer of the week, a quarterback.
16:30Last week it was Jacoby Brissett. This week, Jordan Love.
16:33I agree. He's cleared 15 fan... I'm sorry, he's cleared 18 fantasy points in three of five weeks.
16:38He's coming off his best performance against the Bears, obviously.
16:41Clearing 25 fantasy points. And just again, to contextualize all of the beautiful stats that Mike listed, Dallas Cowboys gave up 14
16:47fantasy points to Jalen Daniels on primetime. So it's obviously gettable.
16:50I think he's probably the number one quarterback stream at the position.
16:53And given what you're saying, not just a stream, but if you add him this week and he looks good with the matchups that he has...
17:00And the rest of the season's running. Yeah, I feel like he might be a guy that he just becomes your QB2
17:06just sitting on the back of your bench for if you ever need him.
17:10Yeah, don't forget, he's not an RBD. He's a negative running back.
17:13Yeah, he's one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL.
17:16He just has been in a system that really protects its defense and has been very conservative.
17:21Matt LaFleur's offense moves at the slowest pace of anyone in the NFL, but now he's actually throwing the ball more.
17:26So that could get him to the next level.
17:29I do wonder, and I know we're going to talk about some of the...
17:33A pair of his pass catchers a little bit later, but I do wonder if and when Josh Jacobs comes back and the run game becomes more efficient.
17:40And maybe once some of the defensive pieces start to get healthier if that passing production dips.
17:45But we like to live in the present. That's right.
17:48It's a head-to-head, week-to-week game. That's right. So for week six, yes.
17:51If you can't grab Jordan Love, the other quarterback I would look at, which I can't believe I'm going to say this, is Aaron Rodgers.
17:58Yes. Honestly, three straight games with three passing touchdowns, guys.
18:01Three straight games as a top 11 quarterback. He's been throwing the ball quite a bit more than I expected this year.
18:07Again, this is probably more of like a one-week streaming option than maybe I would think of for Jordan Love.
18:12But how do you feel about Aaron Rodgers as an option in case you can't grab Love off the waivers this week?
18:18I mean, I don't feel great. I don't love it.
18:21I mean, I also think the matchup is more difficult at Tampa Bay.
18:25Obviously, the Dallas matchup is. But yes, Aaron Rodgers is available in 80% of leagues.
18:29Love only available in barely over 50% of leagues.
18:31So this might be a situation where the choice is made for you.
18:35A lot of people in our chat right now are saying, you know what?
18:39I love Jordan Love, but he is rostered in the league that I'm in already.
18:43So give me another option. Yeah, he's available in half of leagues right now.
18:47So Love might be out there. Maybe he's not.
18:49But I don't think Rodgers, I think he could probably do a little better for a streaming option.
18:54Yes, he has had all these touchdowns over the last few weeks.
18:57He's scored a ton of touchdowns through the air this season.
19:0191% that's highest in the NFL. But he's been in the 22 to 23 fantasy point range in all three of those games.
19:07So that's what it's taken. It's taken three passing touchdowns and big yardage to get there.
19:11He has 18 rushing yards on this season. He's not going to help you out there.
19:16Remember, we saw what you're usually going to get from Rodgers in weeks one and two when he had a combined 16.5
19:22fantasy points against Atlanta and New England. The schedule gets harder going forward for them now.
19:26And I agree with you. I think this is more of a neutral matchup than an easy matchup.
19:31So I think he could probably do better. Also, Kirk Cousins.
19:34I know we forgot about him last week because he was on bye.
19:38He gets the bills in week six. So if we're going to stream, I would have him ranked ahead of Rodgers.
19:43Yeah, Cousins over Rodgers. The risk with Cousins right now is if he struggles again like he did last week, he'll get the hook for Mendoza soon.
19:51We also see the bills in a short week though.
19:54Yeah. Yeah. No, good call. Yeah. Like the matchup.
19:56Let's talk about some running backs, guys. To be honest, we're going to have some guys that are going to start here.
20:02And I don't really like any of them, if we can be honest.
20:06Just for me, I don't like any of them.
20:08David Montgomery. Doubtful. Probably not going to play in this one.
20:11We're assuming once he went out, Woody Marks took over every single snap except for the kneel down.
20:16So he was the running back that was back there taking on the Jacksonville Jaguars this week, which is a 9.30 a.m.
20:22game. As a reminder, it is the morning game.
20:25I don't think that I really, I mean, I'm going to add Woody Marks because he's more valuable than whoever's at the
20:31end of my bench, but I don't really want to start him this week.
20:35Because of the matchup. Because of the matchup against Jacksonville.
20:37Do you guys feel the same way where it's if David Montgomery is out, he absolutely needs to be added, but would
20:43you be looking at him as someone you want to play this week?
20:47The thing is, there's four teams on a bye, a lot of running back injuries.
20:51I think that gets him into the flex conversation, but I agree.
20:54There's some risk here. I mean, last year he was the lead back for a lot of the season.
21:00There's a lot of volume, but he had 220 touches last year.
21:03He averaged 9.4 fantasy points per game. Only had five touchdowns.
21:06So one top 10. He had one top 10 the whole last season.
21:10And now, of course, as you mentioned, you're playing Jacksonville, allowing two and a half yards per carry, and they've allowed the
21:16fewest yards to running back so far this season.
21:18So he wasn't good in this role last year.
21:21Correct? Yes, he's going to have a big workload in this one.
21:24Dario Agamboale is on the roster. He'll get some run as well as a change of pace, but I think at best he's a flex option.
21:31There's just not much upside here. I push back on that because in my mind, and you might think about it differently,
21:37with the state of the running back position, I'm not flexing basically any running back that would be in the flex radar because they're so awful.
21:44I would almost always default to a wide receiver given what wide receiver could be in flex.
21:49Because by the time we get to the, he might be a flex option for you, I don't want to start that running back.
21:55I got to have a wide receiver that's projected to get more points than that.
22:00I hope so. More often than not. So while I understand what you're saying, that you might have to do it, I
22:06don't think that in a good lineup, you're not playing Woody Marks this week.
22:10I think that running backs in Mike's defense have a tendency to have the goal line equity in a way that obviously wide receivers don't.
22:16So if you're hedging those bets, and how many times yesterday did we say halfway through the show that even, that every
22:22running back we were talking about was touchdown dependent, right?
22:25So, and I think what we're hearing right now, also looking at Marks' last season, he didn't, he showed that he was
22:31not necessarily up to the task of being a primary ball carrier, if you will.
22:35Full time. And so if he is now running, if he is touchdown dependent and facing the Jags, a team that's allowed
22:41just two rushing scores to the running back position, that is where I would start to hedge.
22:46But I do think it's matchup dependent. And we have to imagine that, we know this defense, we saw it last week,
22:52starting to get a little bit better, right? D'Amico Ryans is taking over.
22:56So there is a lift here. It's maybe not astronomically quick like we would like, but for streaming purposes, we wouldn't like it at all.
23:03But regardless, that should help the efficiency, right? And if Marvin Harrison Jr.
23:06has any of the theoretical, to use Fields term, value that we saw, then maybe this offense starts to get a little bit better as well.
23:13And what does that mean for Marks, right? I do think he's going to continue to like, have the ball.
23:19We don't know how long this groin injury is going to linger for Marks.
23:23Is theoretical a field term? Well, no. He said yesterday, if you would listen to the show, Mike, that MHJ...
23:28I was busy. I had an off day. I was napping.
23:31What else? MHJ... I subbed in for you. That MHJ...
23:34And happily, I'm glad you enjoyed your day. That MHJ has theoretical value, right?
23:38He doesn't have actual value. We don't know yet, but there is theoretical value based on the draft capital, et cetera, et cetera.
23:44He didn't make up the word. No. Oh, okay.
23:47I never... I'm not used to him using big words.
23:49That's true. That's true. I didn't know that was a thing.
23:52Anyway, I think that the Houston Texans offense might be in for a boost in efficiency.
23:57And as much as I was on the other side of it, if you take away the second running back of the
24:03potential committee and then it mostly all goes to Woody Marks, that does give him a little bit more of a bump because of that.
24:10And by the way, remember, four teams on a bye.
24:12Wide receiver has been kind of a mess in the middle area.
24:16So if you look at like the mid-30s at receiver this week, we're talking like Stephon Diggs at San Francisco.
24:21McConkie, who's struggling at the Chiefs, who have been terrific.
24:24Jalen Waddell has struggled. He gets Seattle. Downs. Trey Tucker.
24:27Xavier Worthy. Keenan Allen. Aidy Mitchell, if he comes back.
24:30I mean, Jacoby Myers. So that's why I think you're looking at the touchdown equity.
24:34These are your flex decisions, especially in 12-team leagues.
24:36He could have some value. But anyway, I think we made our point.
24:40Let's move ahead. Let's talk about one more. Two more running backs here.
24:43Damian Pierce going to be the running back for the Philadelphia Eagles after Will Shipley got banged up.
24:48Yeah, unfortunately. They said, I think, I don't know if it was you or if it was Field that said the Eagles wanted to keep it a secret.
24:56They didn't want anyone to know that Damian Pierce was on their practice squad because they think they have a real NFL running back.
25:03That real NFL running back had 11 carries for 14 yards.
25:06That was his highest touch game since week 18 of 2024.
25:09Yeah, it was not good. He had 16 opportunities and at 12 yards in that game.
25:13They were playing Jacksonville, who we just mentioned, very good against running backs.
25:17They get the Panthers this week. They're allowing 5.4 yards per carry to running backs.
25:21That is highest in the NFL. So better matchup.
25:23The Panthers have been better since that. A lot of that was the week one game against Chicago to running back.
25:29So they've been a little bit better as of late.
25:32But this is one of them plays where it's just a matter of if Barkley's out, he might get 18 touches in this game.
25:38So it's very much like Woody Marks where he's on the flex radar.
25:42But remember, Saquon Barkley could return this week. So this might be, it might not matter.
25:46If you, is Damien Pierce more valuable than the last person on your roster going into waivers tonight?
25:51I think it depends on your circumstances. If you feel like your starting lineup's not affected by buys and injuries and it's
25:57filled out, I wouldn't even bother with Pierce because if you're not going to start him anyway, there's no long-term value.
26:03Exactly right. Yeah. Barkley, if he's out one more a week, which again, he could play this week, but if he's not,
26:09it's at the most this week and that's it.
26:12Okay. I would imagine. That's how I feel too.
26:14One more really quickly, Marshawn Lloyd at least did some things this last week, guys, even though we talked about how it has been the pass catchers.
26:21Is there anything going up against Dallas this week coming off of a two-touchdown game where you're like, all right, I might
26:28add him this week just to stream him with all the other running backs we talked about?
26:32I mean, I think he's an end-to-bench guy right now.
26:35I don't think I want to start him yet.
26:37He's still averaging 2.8 yards per carry and split snaps with Pierre Strong in this one.
26:42His usage would have been a little higher if it wasn't a blowout because everything from Caleb Johnson who had seven carries was to finish the game.
26:49He didn't know. He was playing zero snaps until late in that game.
26:53So right now, they're going with Lloyd and Pierre Strong, but again, it was an even split in snaps.
26:58They're using multiple backs. He's not playing well. He's never had 50 yards in a game in his career yet for Marshawn Lloyd.
27:04So even in a theoretical good matchup against Dallas, nailed it.
27:07Not super interested here. Dallas is allowing the seventh most fantasy points to opposing running backs.
27:12So I think if we are in desperation mode, like if you are a manager who picked up Ollie Gordon and has
27:18just been surviving off of those touchdowns and now you don't have him this week, yeah, I think you have to work with Marshawn Lloyd.
27:25Yeah, I think Lloyd and Marks and if Barkley's out, Pierce, they're all in the same vicinity.
27:29They're like all early to mid-20s in a running back ranking.
27:32So ideally, you're not starting them, but you could probably do worse in your flex.
27:37And what you're hoping for Marshawn Lloyd is exactly what you got last week.
27:40Like you're kind of chasing touchdowns if we're being honest.
27:43Like that's, that's how he's going to make his hay for you is just falling in the end zone.
27:48It's expected to be a lot of points in this game.
27:51The over-under is 52 and a half. So, I mean, there's...
27:54Let's talk about some wide receivers. Oh, this is more fun.
27:57At least the first name. Oh, who do you have as your first name on your list?
28:02The Steelers. Got it, got it. That's what I have.
28:05All right, I just want to make sure that your first name is the same as my first name.
28:10Michael Pittman Jr. on IR. Roman Wilson out this week.
28:13It feels like Jimmy Bernard has been the one that has stepped up eight plus targets in two of his last four games.
28:19The other two games we won't talk about. He just wasn't utilized very much.
28:23But six for 80 and nine targets this last one for 14.4 fantasy points taken on Tampa.
28:28At least worth an add here on waivers this week given the way that Aaron Rodgers is out there slinging it.
28:34Yeah, I don't think it's... Or I should... Let me reword that.
28:37I think it's possible Bernard could find his way into the flex conversation moving forward this season.
28:42Is it possible that he just takes the number two job going forward and you know that DK Metcalf's target ceiling is kind of limited.
28:48He's never going to be a 30% target share guy.
28:51He's generally going to be closer to 20 or 22% and be utilized a lot near the goal line.
28:56But Michael Pittman hasn't shown much yet. He doesn't have much trust from Aaron Rodgers.
29:00Bernard does. He is... Bernard has barely played this season.
29:03He has two games already with eight or more targets.
29:06I know. Roman Wilson has flashed a little bit but he had exactly six targets in every game.
29:11Jeremy Bernard was his second round pick. You draft a guy in the second round.
29:15Yeah. By way of Washington. But yeah. Sure. But you draft a guy there to be a long-term starter to be a
29:21number two at worst in your offense. So I'm optimistic here.
29:24He led the wide receiver room in routes and targets last week.
29:27And I mentioned this earlier but the Steelers offense and this has been an Aaron Rodgers staple for a long time especially during his Packers heyday.
29:35They've scored a league high 91% of their touchdowns through the air this season.
29:38So that presents opportunities near the goal line for Bernard, Metcalf, Fryer, Muth and they're playing Tampa Bay right now mid-pack against
29:45wide receivers so far this season but a real opportunity for a rookie who has earned Rodgers' trust to play a big role.
29:51He'll be a priority of mine I'm waiting for.
29:53And came out of college being hailed as quite polished as a route runner and also a really good tackle breaker.
29:59So this isn't a developmental high ceiling RAS score type of player.
30:02Yeah. In fact quite the opposite. Mm-hmm. And with Michael Pittman being on IR you know it's going to be a number
30:08of weeks until he comes back so that role should probably be available for him to be.
30:13Yeah this is his opportunity to not be able to put the cap back in the bag.
30:18He has a few weeks here and maybe he just takes this job and runs away with it.
30:23Sort of like we saw Kendrick Bourne do obviously the Cardinals couldn't wait to unlock this guy.
30:27Now the Marvin Harrison Jr. is gone. By the way if Marvin Harrison Jr.
30:31for some reason was on waivers because someone cut him loose and they were over it he would obviously be the first
30:37wide receiver waiver target I would add this week.
30:40Would you take him over Jimmy Bernard? Bernard yeah I don't know I don't think that especially with Nico Collins there and
30:46the defense playing better like if you think look if you think Houston's defense is just going to be they're going to
30:52regress to early season and they're going to be atrocious and they're going to have to throw the ball a ton maybe
30:58there's something there for Harrison if he wins that two job but I'm pessimistic about that.
31:02I think the defense is going to be good they're going to remain balanced they're going to be more competitive they're going
31:08to be able to run the ball you still have Nico Collins handling a huge share of the targets we don't even
31:14know if Harrison's going to be good how long is it going to take to learn the playbook I think he's worth
31:21an end of bench but I'm more interested in Bernard at least for the short term.
31:25I think what Mike said too about this being the opportunity for Bernard is massive right and Harrison's situation is different because
31:31there's so much more to learn and he doesn't necessarily I think the thing that everybody is excited about is the CJ
31:37Stroud MHJ connection from college and that just automatically picking up where it left off but that's not a realistic expectation you
31:43don't just slide it's not Madden you don't just pick up a controller and get right back into the groove it takes
31:49some time to be able to get there so then with Kendrick Bourne obviously being unlocked in this one five catches for
31:5570 yards on eight targets against my Detroit Lions is it worth an add or was this a hey they played the
32:01Detroit Lions and they were trailing the entire game and someone else had to catch yeah although they might do that a
32:07lot that's what you're hoping for a pass on Bourne he had the big week one he disappeared for three weeks even
32:13in this game what I noticed was he was playing fewer snaps than Jalen Brooks and actually Elijah Higgins as well they're
32:19going more 12 personnel here guy that's why I took him so they went a little different direction a wide receiver and
32:25honestly I don't know what they're going to do a receiver like I don't think you want to run Bourne and Brooks
32:31out there all season maybe Jalen Virgil a rookie gets a run at some point but I don't know if they actually
32:38do I don't know they're not super competitive so it would be weird to trade for like Jerry Judy or something I
32:44don't think they're going to do that but I don't know I just don't think Bourne's going to be near consistent enough
32:50to be a flex option I like him this week so I and I I like Bourne this week yes against the
32:56Rams mostly because well we saw obviously the Rams gave up more on the ground than they did through the air but
33:02that's the way the game went right but there are so many points available and we know that Arizona is going to
33:08be chasing them and we know that Bourne is one of these vetted experienced players now if Mac Jones was under center
33:14I'd start him in a heartbeat but I think that there is some play here I do think there's some flex appeal
33:20and I I like his sleeper potential in this particular week I love your point about the snaps and how they are
33:26being you know given throughout the team but I I think that there's more here than a simple like shy away okay
33:32I'm a little more intrigued he's available in 98.5% of leagues so there you go you can grab him not for me
33:38though probably also available in 98% of leagues unfortunately with Debo Samuel expected to miss a number of weeks with a hamstring
33:44injury Brandon Cooks stepped up got in the end zone guys knowing that it's just been a battle of attrition there for
33:5049ers pass catchers do you think that Brandon Cooks is worth the look maybe only three targets so far since joining the
33:56team but there's a real opportunity to maybe be their number two or three receiver for a few weeks did score a
34:02touchdown last week and this week they're playing Washington so I'm not going to start Brandon Cooks but maybe a DFS punt
34:08although I don't my DFS punts last week were Casey Concepcion and Roman Wilson so that was that was a rough one
34:14so maybe you don't listen to me there but obviously both got hurt so in week six would you rather roll out
34:20Bourne or Brandon Cooks if you were in an emergency situation break last year either I mean I have them actually it's
34:26funny I have my rankings 66th and 68th okay who 66th Brandon Cooks I mean look Washington's a lot of the second
34:33most catches to receivers so if you think he could catch three or four balls and score a touchdown in one of
34:39the best offenses in the NFL sure I mean he's not the worst start throw but this is more for maybe 12
34:45plus team leagues at best you know who I like as a pass catcher more than any of those guys Brenton Strange
34:51the last two weeks at the tight end spot eight targets back to back weeks seven catches back to back weeks seven
34:57for 95 for 16 and a half fantasy points against the Bengals in week four seven for 68 for 13.8 fantasy points
35:03against the Eagles in week five now they take on the Houston Texans has Houston up until last week against the Titans
35:09not been very vulnerable against pass catchers this year they have my friend so I like Brenton Strange as a streaming tight
35:15end this week how about you guys interesting I do not really I'm at 13 I'm not I'm not over the top
35:21I think the question is we view him as a tight end one yet or not 15 four teams on a bye
35:27I mean yeah he's this week this week he's a streaming option I guess the question is is he back like is
35:33he now a back end tight end one or is he still maybe an occasional streaming option I think it's I think
35:39it's the latter right now Houston by the way has not allowed a touchdown to a tight end so far this season
35:45yeah and look Strange does lead the Jags and targets over the last three weeks with 21 which is impressive to be
35:51leading that group earlier this season and last year he was in a very similarly crowded but high scoring offense similar to
35:57this year he averaged five targets and 9.8 fantasy points per game so I think he's going to be one of them
36:03tight ends that goes like this throughout the season but it feels more Dalton Schultz than it is Sam Laporta you know
36:09that's how it feels to me so I'm not going out of my way to spend fab I think he's going to
36:15be in the top we're going to rank him between tight end 12 and 15 every single week and then you're just
36:21going to throw a dart and hope that's the week that hits okay so exactly what I said he's a streaming tight
36:28end for you gotcha thank you guys I appreciate that you said this week I said no I'm at 13 so I'm
36:34not going to use him against Houston who hasn't allowed a touchdown yet I would disagree with that if you say 13
36:40and you often talk about 12 team leagues and you say the tight end that's 13 isn't a streaming option in 12
36:46team leagues I don't want to use him this week though I don't want to spend fab on him okay guys guys
36:52these are semantics okay I mean we're talking waiver wire I don't want to spend money on him that's fair you don't
36:58have to spend money on him I get that it's hard earned cash how about the tight end that just catches touchdowns
37:04from one of your favorite quarterbacks Pat Friermuth would you rather go with Pat Friermuth this week at the tight end of
37:10the streamer one of my favorite quarterbacks wouldn't go that far well yeah I mean he's thrown three plus touchdowns in three
37:16straight games right you do they scored how many percent of their touchdowns through the year most 90 91 yeah over 90
37:22yes yeah look he's been he's been solid actually from ranked ahead of Brent Brenton Strange so we have a streaming option
37:28now on our hands okay we gotta tell us why you like Pat Friermuth no Michael Pittman no Roman Wilson he has
37:34four touchdowns in five games he has three end zone targets which doesn't seem like a lot but in five games it
37:40is relative to the other tight ends he's also 11th in targets and his three carries as well he's doing his best
37:46Tyler Warren impression so far this season by the way his seven targets last week his most since week 18 of the
37:522024 season so it's a little bit of a change this year for Friermuth so I'm optimistic on this one I am
37:58too he's going to be a facts versus feelings player this week okay full disclosure he's managed a double digit fantasy points
38:04in three of his last five if I'm getting that sort of consistency out of the tight end position then I'm taking
38:10it and like we talked about earlier he is an established player we are hoping Jeremy Bernard steps up to this opportunity
38:16but we know that there is a safety valve available to Aaron Rodgers who needs one in Friermuth I will say as
38:23well if you do grab Brenton Strange I would only grab him for this week because they have a bye the following
38:29week it is a one week streaming sounds like a waste of fab to me but what do I know are we
38:35forward betting that's a great question yes let's do it my friend I say Pat Friermuth outscores Brenton Strange in week six
38:41go ahead you can do it with him okay I say Brett I that what I say Friermuth yes yes outscores Brenton
38:47Strange in week six are we gonna put the thing we gotta do the thing I say Brenton Strange outscores Pat Friermuth
38:53in week six put it on the board you did great you did great everyone crushed it that was as smooth as
38:59it's ever been let's talk about defenses really quickly and then we can move on a couple of streaming options would you
39:05take the bear no no going up against the Atlanta it was Tua it's Tua Tua's had one maybe maybe we'll see
39:11Penix on the fence to play if Tua goes it's more palatable I'm still not I'm still not still not there yet
39:17all right what about the Chiefs taking on the Chargers right now we're looking at defenses rostered under 50% of what team
39:23is most generous to opposing defenses so far this season the Chargers oh okay the Chargers okay got it got it trust
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41:14last play we're to uh through it all right so the second to last play he hits Drake London yes he gets
41:20me a point and a half or whatever it was and I'm playing uh who was I facing Joe yep in the
41:26FFC League we need one more catch I need a three yard catch from Drake London to win that matchup the next
41:32throw he throws to Drake London it gets picked off and ends it brutal another two weeks in a row that happened
41:38to me wait there's a vendetta so I'm still mad so you lost I lost to Joe Fortenbraugh yes okay Joe Fortenbraugh
41:44okay I love that all right mailbag guys let's dive into the mailbag with you thanks for hanging out with us doing
41:50this show as well and our buddy Eric Moody at Eric and Moody on social media dude answers all your questions we
41:56love him Daniel wants to know Ollie Gordon or Woody Marks for the rest of the season Daniel I'm going to ask
42:02you to hold this conversation for about one more second that's what I mean hold this question for about one more second
42:08we're going to dive into it in the next segment but boy is that a great question into it right now J-Lo
42:14wants to know drop who's the strongest bench stash oh what Najee Harris or Emmett Johnson you want to drop the strongest
42:20bench why don't you tell us you want to hold on to the strongest bench stash and that is Emmett Johnson yeah
42:26maybe it's dop oh so then you can answer it tell him why it's Emmett Johnson thank you Liz I think it's
42:32Emmett Johnson Emmett Johnson I don't think Najee Harris in that I mean we're not seeing anybody in that uh week to
42:38week backfield yeah this is one of them rankings versus projections sort of or stash first projections because Harris will consistently project
42:44higher because week to week he's going to get six or seven touches right Johnson won't but if the starter gets hurt
42:50Harris goes up a little because they'll use multiple backs no no Harris Harris a little but if Walker goes out Johnson
42:56way up there so that's why Johnson's the better stash what does he do is that what he does that's how it
43:03goes that's the sound that happens it's one of them sound effects yes when you do it when you hit save in
43:09the rankings they go by the way I find it so charming what's that when you say one of them one of
43:15them I love it oh yeah it's so charming and folksy that might be a lot of yeah reddler 206 wants to
43:21know Jordan love over Tyler shuck yes I think this week right now yes I'm with you on that one this weekend
43:27it's probably a conversation going forward although I don't want to punish shuck too much for last week because anyone that runs
43:33into Minnesota it's a 91% blitz rate that's unbelievable yeah all right guys let's have one more that's it no I think
43:39that was it okay I guess we're gonna answer that uh that question that was just on the board right so we're
43:45doing now which question was on the board oh yes sorry thank you uh we're not gonna start there but we will
43:51get there Ollie Gordon or Woody Marks for the rest of the season you know what why not let's just start with
43:57that one thank you answer the man all right we'll start with that one um I wanted to throw a couple things
44:03at you guys sure I've been looking at a couple of running backs first off I want to give a big shout
44:09out to our guy Eric Moody I have been out and I have been notably out on Ollie Gordon and we talked
44:15about it here I said I would not add him I do not like it he was in chat when I was
44:21saying all those things when we were all kind of like no I don't really like Ollie Gordon outside of Devaney Chan
44:27and he was like I adamantly disagree with him and I would add him don't listen to Daniel he was yes respectfully
44:33and Eric was absolutely right shout out to Eric for being able for standing on business and being able to make that
44:39call because he has been good but that's kind of what I want to compare to some of these other dudes you
44:45look at where we've drafted some of these guys Amarion Hampton was a second round pick he's RB 25 in fantasy points
44:51Jeremiah Love was a third round pick he's RB 22 in fantasy points Cam Scadaboo was a fifth round pick RB 21
44:58in fantasy points and now Ollie Gordon who was undrafted is RB 26 and by the way he's RB 26 because the
45:04first two games in which he barely touched the ball count towards his points if you just look at what he did
45:10the three games that he was a starter he's clearly scoring more points per game than all three of these dudes so
45:16Mike I kind of want to ask you with the strength of schedule moving forward as a big part of how we
45:22look at this I want you to help us and Liz I want you to do this with me too I want
45:28to rank these running backs rest of season and it's gonna hurt me but I want to start with Amarion Hampton when
45:34you look at everything Amarion Hampton has done when you look at this Chargers offense when you look at all of these
45:40things that he has with Keaton Mitchell in the backfield and with the way to the way that they've utilized him I
45:46still think he's the one with the most touchdown equity I still think the one if the Chargers offense does get rolling
45:52who do I think is the back that has the most upside I still think it's Amarion Hampton what is his strength
45:58of schedule look like for the rest of the season for Hampton it does get a little tougher it's not anything that's
46:04impossible I know they're for the passing game it may be harder than this but based on what we've seen so far
46:10it's more of a tough schedule not an impossible schedule that being said what is impossible is the offense for the Chargers
46:16right now it is it's it's brutal right now I mean he has three touchdowns in five games but just one game
46:22over 15 touches 9.9 fantasy points per game just having six targets in five games is unacceptable 3.7 yards per carry I
46:28can go on and on I mean it's just been it's been a head scratcher I mean if there was I was
46:34down I was not nearly as high as most on the Chargers offense but O'Marion Hampton I thought could overcome that and
46:40still have a breakout season it is not happening and he's not playing enough right now they're using three running backs so
46:46you mentioned the targets right he only has five catches on the season as opposed to Keaton Mitchell who is being used
46:53in that capacity and has 12 catches right now Keaton Mitchell is the RB 17 in receptions and Hampton is the RB
46:5945 and he's not making up with any sort of efficiency on the ground he's averaging 3.7 yards per carry so under
47:05four that's never a great stat I think honestly what we have to wonder about here is if Mike McDaniels does not
47:11if he loses his job and this offense changes then I think there might be hope for Hampton of course there's an
47:17adjustment period that would have to go into place but running back tends to be the least affected in terms of time
47:23for that evolution to occur so there is a good chance I think McDaniel could get fired in which case maybe Hampton
47:29has something saved yeah I will I will say this on my list okay I think he's certainly in that conversation is
47:35a close call for me there was a play where Hampton got the ball I can't remember if it's a run or
47:41a dump off but it was a long run to the left cut through look really fast got into the end zone
47:47for a touchdown they said all right there we go and then I realized it was come on even all on Sunday
47:53so not good I mean these other Mitchell's playing well as well as well can do things that Hampton can't do yeah
47:59I mean the problem that's the problem the other guys aren't struggling necessarily so I don't think they're going away they might
48:05use more of it all they've been using more of in the last couple of weeks he had that long touchdown run
48:11so this could be a three-headed attack for a while I'm very concerned for incredibly vexing unfortunately only one game inside the
48:17top 20 at the running back position through the first five games of the season so we'll talk about that quickly though
48:23we're gonna do a little bit of an update we got some news here we're gonna throw out on the screen we
48:29do Adam Schefter reporting that Travian Henderson suffered a high ankle sprain in Sunday's win is now expected to be sidelined for
48:35multiple weeks per league sources he will not need surgery and he is regarded as a quick healer not sure where that
48:41information comes from so the Patriots are hoping that his return will be sooner rather than later yeah so we go back
48:48to week one right I'm trying this what I'm pulling up right now Ramondri Stevenson because they have Corey Kiner and he'll
48:54be involved a little bit but it should be their monitor Stevenson show so week one they've had 67 offensive snaps Stevenson
49:00played 57 at 18 carries and six targets expect that for a couple of weeks so Stevenson probably a fringe RB1 I
49:06stole this the other day when we were talking about it with Liz but you had said that the Pittsburgh Steelers running
49:12back room was the easiest if then conversation if there's no Rico Dottle then you start Jalen Warren well not even start
49:18it just like he maybe makes him a lineup lock but he becomes like RB1 yes fantasy yeah and we're kind of
49:24in that same thing without Travian Henderson we know that Ramondri Stevenson is just going to fall right into that role he
49:30will be busy we will talk about that more tomorrow probably on the show when we look at our rankings with that
49:36update let's talk about Jeremiah love Mike another guy do you want to know how many top 20 finishes Jeremiah love has
49:42to start I don't want to but I know that it's one he has one so far and he's in a spot
49:48again where this offense is down we were talked about this yesterday you weren't here but with them being down I expected
49:54them to throw the ball a lot more to the running back that I thought would be the pass catcher instead Tyler
50:00Algier was out there a heck of a lot more looking again strength of schedule Jeremiah love he started a little slow
50:06came into the season banged up right got hurt in the preseason so maybe that was a little bit of they want
50:12to make sure he's fully healthy how are you feeling about Jeremiah love when you look at a strength of schedule moving
50:18forward I mean the schedule the schedule is mid-pack it's been mid-pack so far it's mid-pack going forward more difficult though it
50:24overall though it's kind of average and the main reason that it works at average is because the fantasy playoffs is second
50:30easiest so that's what I've been kind of harping on since the preseason which is if he just slowly ramps his way
50:36up and gets more productive productive as the year goes on he could be a league winner the problem is he's not
50:42nearly as efficient or flashy as I thought I mean I you could see it on the table like you could see
50:49he has ability problem is it's not turning into anything he's averaging 3.7 yards per carry and 2.6 yards per target of
50:55he only has two targets over the last two games as well so three plus the first three games that's gone away
51:01it has been a problem I'm hoping that one of these weeks he's just gonna rip off a big play and then
51:07the it's gonna the momentum is gonna be there and he's gonna get rolling and keep a big workload I thought we
51:13didn't believe in momentum oh it's uh it's uh it's is it theoretical still?
51:17descriptive not predictive oh okay uh so I'm still theoretical momentum I feel like if I have him I'm hopeful that there's
51:23more there like we could get there but right now it's just not happening it's really just RB19 in fantasy points PPR
51:29fantasy points per reception that's not what we expected no I expected more to more out of him from that one I
51:35probably have him though as my number two in this list we'll talk about where we have them all ranking he's number
51:41one okay we'll get number one for me but yeah we could rank at the end is that what we're doing?
51:47yeah let's bring it at the end we'll kind of go through Cam Scadaboo Liz I want to ask you about Cam
51:53Scadaboo Cam at least had a couple of finishes inside the top 20 weeks one and week three both I'm sorry Jeremiah
51:59Love is the RB24 in fantasy points per reception you said 19?
52:02I did because Cam Scadaboo is the RB19 in fantasy points per reception there we go yes but you've seen Najee Harris
52:08we just talked about this with one of these other questions like he isn't the guy do you feel like when you're
52:14looking at Najee Harris excuse me when you're looking at Cam Scadaboo and the touches and the volume that he's getting but
52:20not able to get that volume in the passing game also not really getting any touchdown equity at the goal line how
52:26are you feeling about Cam Scadaboo I mean Cam Scadaboo has one fewer reception one less reception than Jeremiah Love he has
52:3210 and Love has 11 so I think that's more than we were necessarily expecting and the fact that we keep getting
52:38confused because there are so many names as part of the discussion and the equation is evidence of how I don't know
52:44Tracy was back out there for a couple right?
52:47like he I thought he was going to get a little bit so Scadaboo RB10 in carries only averaging 3.6 yards per
52:53carry though yeah the schedule I believe does get a little does get a touch more difficult for Scadaboo if it stays
52:59neutral for Love it does get more difficult for Scadaboo I think for me ultimately is which offense do I want to
53:05be a part of here and right now at least based on last week's performance I feel like the Giants have more
53:11lift than the Cardinals fair yeah I feel like not much has changed for me with Scadaboo from what I talked about
53:17on FFC is it FFC or FFCD FFC Tennessee Football Countdown countdown is one word CD countdown I've seen it FFCD you
53:23have to put money in the jar for that maybe that might be no no I didn't call it FF now I
53:29call it FFC so I think that's okay look the overall volume has been fine he's 9th in carries he's 16th in
53:35scrimmage yards 15 plus touches in every game that's going to keep you in the RB2 conversation every week but to your
53:41point a lot like Love the efficiency is not there 3.6 yards per carry you said that only the 10 catches he
53:47only has one touchdown only two carries inside the five so I'm just kind of repeating what you guys just said basically
53:53yeah there's not much else I do like the matchup this week they play the Saints they've had the most fantasy points
53:59they're running back so he would be my highest ranked this week but going forward the ceiling has just not been there
54:06he's just a floor he's like Tony Pollard basically he's like a fringe RB2 and the upside's not there right now I
54:12think we're also thinking both of these two players are dealing with potential health issues right like is Love's ankle fully healthy
54:18and has Scadaboo while he's returned to sport has he returned to prior level of performance after the pretty catastrophic injury from
54:24last season absolutely very catastrophic alright I got one more I want to throw at you guys obviously and that's the Ollie
54:30Gordon conversation this one's triggering for me I'm gonna try and keep it in control week 3 17 carries 41 yards plus
54:363 catches for 14 yards so that's 20 touches got in the end zone 14.5 fantasy points week 4 against Minnesota really
54:42tough defense had a big breakout 9 carries for 100 yards and a touchdown 2 catches no yards 18 fantasy points though
54:48and then last week against Cincy 18 carries for 88 yards 4.9 yards per carry another touchdown 14.8 fantasy points he's had
54:543 straight weeks where he's been inside the top 17 these other guys have had 2 weeks combined where they've been top
55:0017 running backs I know they have a bye but looking at Ollie Gordon looking at strength of schedule I was more
55:06out than in and I think that I need to change the way that I've looked at Ollie Gordon unfortunately even though
55:12I thought boy if Devon Achan couldn't do this there's no way Ollie Gordon can do it I've changed my narrative on
55:18the way I'm looking at Ollie Gordon do you guys feel the same way I'm glad you said that because I think
55:24we start there which is I'm seeing more and more victory lapping on Devon Achan as him being a bad pick do
55:30we think he would have done worse than this no had he been out there he probably would be doing better than
55:36this he'd be doing the rushing and he would have certainly more involvement in the passing game Gordon only has 5 targets
55:42and 14 yards zero against Cincinnati of all yeah I mean that's my hesitation on Gordon I will say is the lack
55:48of receiving work right now the rushing's been good but I don't know if that's necessarily sustainable the rushing efficiency was poor
55:54the first game it was fine last week the week before he only had 9 carries did have under yards but you
56:00mentioned this you teased it the Dolphins running back do have the easiest remaining schedule this season so that could be enough
56:07to keep him in the and it went from middle of the pack right like from 15 yes the pack to easiest
56:13going forward so I think there's a good chance he'll be startable but I'm more you said you were like triggered about
56:19the Gordon stuff I'm more annoyed about the Devon Achan victory laps the guy got hurt in like the running back situation
56:25yeah but Achan wasn't doing it he wasn't doing it he didn't come in and score a touchdown and then a 6th
56:31round pick comes in and performs at least statistically well better than the coveted player I hear you but the criticism wasn't
56:37on Achan well maybe it should have been because do you disagree that Achan's one of the best running backs in the
56:43NFL I mean I made a talent bet on him ahead of the season and now I'm allowed to be frustrated that
56:49the talent that was completely under looked that wasn't even on any sort of name is the one we're having a conversation
56:55about Ollie Gordon I don't think just because Devon Achan got hurt but because he underperformed and then also got hurt his
57:01backup overperformed based on what I think as a human if I drafted Devon Achan and he didn't play well the first
57:07two games of the season and then he's still on it's still a bad team and then his backup actually outperforms him
57:13after he gets hurt in shocking fashion against a Vikings defense I am allowed to just be frustrated that the running back
57:19that I thought was going to do this didn't and instead it was the guy that I don't think is as good
57:25as him I'm frustrated that he got hurt I think Devon Achan would be putting up some nice numbers the last three
57:31weeks I think that we would get there that's just what I think but we'll never know basically Ollie Gordon is Peter
57:37Parker is what we're saying so let's order these guys so we got these four one of these guys was completely undrafted
57:43the other one we I mean all the other three we used very big draft picks on order them for me because
57:49I would go Jeremiah Love Ollie Gordon Omarine Hampton Cam Scadaboo wow my order is very different I'm going Love Scadaboo and
57:55the last one was hard close I'm going to give it to Hampton and the bet there is on talent that he'll
58:02get more more as the season goes on and he'll outperform Gordon who I don't know if he's really I don't know
58:08if Ollie Gordon as a talent moves the needle for me you know I I I did I Ollie Gordon would be
58:14four then for you on that list yeah okay all three of us have different yeah what do you have Scadaboo Love
58:20Gordon Hampton and then Hampton Hampton's last oh it's gross that we're having this conversation to be honest guys I think next
58:26week Gordon is strength of schedule rankings that actually made me rank him not dead last it gave me the most optimism
58:32that's a part why I wanted to do this because looking at these was like it's a big part of it is
58:38looking at the strength of schedule moving forward I want to ask you one last question on these guys really quickly is
58:44there anything that you would do if you had any of these running backs on your roster or if you didn't is
58:50there any of them that you would say hey I I don't know if you're going to get much for Scadaboo Hampton
58:56the only way if I have Hampton the only way I'm trading him is if someone still views him like I'm still
59:02a married Hampton second round value I can get a wide receiver two or something you're just not going to get that
59:08right now but if you can somehow if someone wants to buy low go for it I would try to drum up
59:14the buy low narrative on Hampton as someone who has roster who has them okay what about Ollie Gordon would you if
59:20you had Ollie Gordon similar to the David Montgomery conversation that a lot of people had at the beginning of the season
59:26okay you now have a guy that maybe turned into an RB2 that you didn't expect do you try to hold on
59:32to this for as long as you can potentially get this volume or do you say now's the time for me to
59:38sell high because I've got three straight weeks where he's done pretty well yeah the bad offense and the shaky or the
59:44limited receiving makes me think this is not necessarily sustainable even with a good schedule so I would probably try to trade
59:50him the problem is it's a terrible time they're going into a bye week no one wants to trade for anyone going
59:57into a bye week you could luck trading Justin Jefferson or Jamar Chase this week people just don't want to do it
60:03we're going to have a couple quarterbacks and maybe we'll try to keep this as quick as we possibly can here potential
60:09segment is sustainability the best ability guys can we keep this up we're going to do quarterbacks here two quarterbacks one coming
60:15out of a bye one heading into a bye Bryce Young and Jared Goff let's start with Bryce Young because he's coming
60:21back playing this week QB 7 total of 90 fantasy points he's been unbelievable so far this year nine total touchdowns 1200
60:27passing yards when you look at everything that Bryce Young has done when you look at the fact that they've got a
60:33great running back in Chuba Hubbard also catching passes out of the backfield and everything that he's got with Teddero McMillan do
60:39you guys believe that Bryce Young is a top 10 quarterback moving forward for the short term I think he can be
60:45yeah the main issue I would say I'm probably ranking him as if depending on the match more of a streamer I
60:51think he's a shot at it the problem is they go from the fourth easiest now to the hardest remaining schedule for
60:57quarterbacks and he's not adding much with his legs 19 rushing yards so far this season so if the question is about
61:03sustainability going from where he has been for the first five weeks of the season to this hardest schedule you would say
61:09sustainability is probably not what you would think Bryce Young would be doing I think it's a QB 13 not QB 10
61:15situation for me based on the difficulty and because we've seen him performing at such with such an easy strength of schedule
61:21with such a favorable strength of schedule and now it's going to become much more difficult and in comparison to Jared Goff
61:27we're going to talk about like the surrounding talent like yes Ted McMillan we've seen things out of Jalen Coker the backfield
61:33has question marks maybe talent is elite enough for him to make up for the lack of rushing all right next one
61:39Jared Goff guys Jared Goff has been unbelievable so far to start this season safe to say that Jared Goff is what
61:45Matthew Stafford was in 2025 right now to start this right now the first five weeks right do you think that's sustainable
61:52again given what his offense is and knowing what he can be yeah so do you want to give the stat no
61:58you can do it strength to schedule stat well he go ahead you know you do it you give him the yeah
62:04they're gonna they're so good he's been so good this season as well not gonna run for anything he doesn't have a
62:10rushing touchdown though so he's giving you a little bit there but yeah look I'll give you one more quick stat he
62:16leads the NFL in passing yards and second in passing touchdowns this season he's finished top six in both of those each
62:22of the last four seasons his finishes in points per game 13th 15th 7th and 12th so probably gonna come back to
62:28earth a little bit but there's enough here to be a fringe QB one a fringe QB one especially with bye weeks
62:34and having to have a streaming option not this week yeah yes yeah all right really quickly let's talk two wide receivers
62:40and we can do this from the same squad and then we'll wrap it up the Packers wide receivers have been unbelievable
62:46because we talked about Jordan Love earlier he's been slinging it to basically just Christian Watson and Matthew Golden Christian Watson four
62:52of his five games he's had eight or more targets at least 14 fantasy points in every single one of those games
62:58that he had at least eight or more targets 22 plus in three of five wide receiver three in fantasy points wide
63:04receiver five in receiving yards wide receiver do for a guy Liz I mean with him alone we'll talk about Matthew Golden
63:10in a second do you think that this is I mean with him being healthy is this what we should expect from
63:16Matthew from Christian Watson yes I think that well also the schedule eases up a little bit so I like that my
63:22biggest worry like I touched on earlier was that this defense gets healthier and the run game finds more stability and becomes
63:28more established if you will and so then the volume decreases yeah so we want the defense to be bad and we
63:34want the run game to be inefficient and not utilized so that everything can remain through the air and that's my biggest
63:40fear in terms of regression but the schedule does ease up a little bit so Michael Parsons should take as long as
63:46possible to be fully healthy to come back yeah I'm worried about touchdown regression of the mean for Watson expected touchdowns 2.7
63:53he has six touchdowns already that's going to be hard to sustain going forward but he does lead the NFL with seven
63:59end zone targets funny enough Matthew Golden is tied for second with five I love doing a show with Mike because I
64:05have the exact same stats I didn't copy from you what are you talking about I think I feel good about my
64:11analysis me too by the way Matthew Golden 8.8 targets per game he's been so busy I think they come back to
64:17earth a little bit but sustainable they have the fourth hardest schedule so far for receivers and they're still both wide receiver
64:23ones in fantasy so you would agree that Matthew Golden has more sustainability than Watson because of the touchdown fluiness exactly we
64:29talked about that last week I think his floor is probably a little higher based on how they're being used Golden at
64:35least 11.5 fantasy points in every single game this season which you know I would love more than 11.5 fantasy points sometimes
64:41but if you said the guy that basically was a disappointment in year one as a rookie gave us that through the
64:47first five weeks I'd feel great I like that let's do a quick fab budget game before we get out of here
64:53my friends the best road trip pit stop food this is going to be fun if you don't know how to road
64:59trip properly we're going to find out because I think there is a proper way to do this I don't think you're
65:05going to be thrilled with me I'll say that Michael really do you okay who wants to go first Liz do you
65:11want to go first do you want me to explain everything sure we have that you get to spend we have 10
65:17total budget then we have rows $4 row a $3 row a $2 row and a $1 row that $4 row contains
65:23just for you to be able to choose from beef jerky a hot dog off of the roller grill monster or Red
65:29Bull energy drink and then a pre-made deli sandwich those are your $4 options $3 options bag a big bag of any
65:35chips any iced coffee drink a slushy or icy or trail mix oh not interested $2 options king candy bar or a
65:41bag of candy or gummies you only get one of them 20 ounce soda sunflower seeds or a pickle in a pouch
65:48and then also $1 options single slim jim a bottle of water a small bag of pretzels and a banana by the
65:54register guys I've got my I'm not gonna eat on this road trip also I love that I kind of pitched this
66:00idea like we should draft favorite gas station foods clearly haven't eaten in a gas station in 20 years it doesn't seem
66:06like alright so the $4 options I'm not eating beef jerky I'm definitely not eating a hot dog off of a roller
66:12grill and I haven't had Red Bull or a Monster Energy drink since aughts and if I did I don't remember it
66:18because it was mixed into something else right so to me this is probably you know I need a Diet Coke so
66:24that's number that's $2 I would love a bag of probably Sour Patch Kids do you love how my accent is completely
66:30coming out right yeah you can feel it Sour Patch Kids a Diet Coke sunflower seeds because your girl needs some protein
66:36to stay and then I was gonna give that's $6 I was gonna give my $4 to Mike and watch you eat
66:42one of them one of them hot dogs on a stick or whatever the hot dogs I wanna watch you eat a
66:48hot dog I don't like hot dogs I'm not a hot dog guy no they don't have any of our yogurt and
66:54granola I know because it's a gas station guys one of my smoothies I make for lunch come on alright so acai
67:00bowls do you want me to go first because mine's mine's embarrassing it's so boring but I tried to do it realistic
67:06what would I actually get if I was going on a road trip so I did get a deli sandwich because I
67:12feel like I need lunch or something right I need to eat something so turkey sandwich you've been in there a minute
67:18I didn't want to do it but I figure that's the only thing there that's like I'm not gonna feel gross if
67:24I eat it $3 look we all have we all have vices right I'll have a bag of Doritos bag of chips
67:30pool ranch or nacho cheese nacho cheese I'm a nacho cheese guy I like purple ones I'll do sea salt chips too
67:36something like that I'll get a candy bar I'm thinking like a Reese's peanut butter cup something like that does that count?
67:43it does that counts okay yeah and then I'm a water guy I'll take a bottle of water that's mostly what I
67:49drink is water I do not like soda big water guy team water see I thought about it can I use your
67:55extra money to buy four bananas four bananas so we kind of wanted a banana me too I wanted a banana too
68:01okay big banana guy too see mine's boring mine cannot be more boring no that was and I didn't realize you were
68:07a hydro homie but now that we know that I understand you're a big water guy I'd like to be honest about
68:13this I'm not buying beef jerky or a hot dog or an energy drink and the pre-made deli sandwiches listen my guy
68:19Moushir at the 7-Eleven down the road from me great King's Hawaiian roll with some turkey and cheese they have them out
68:25there so like that's the only pre-made deli sandwich but I'm not doing that I'm doing the big bag of chips to
68:31the nacho cheese Doritos it is baked barbecue lays or it's the all dressed because those Canadians know what they're doing my
68:37friend if you've not had the all dressed you've not had the all dressed oh my gosh it's so good it's like
68:43sour cream and onion barbecue and salt and vinegar yeah they do all of the the things on top of each other
68:49it's delicious it's something like that y'all better buy some wipes while you're at the gas station because you're in the bathroom
68:55obviously I need a banana because if you're road tripping properly you need that potassium to recover from all the fun you're
69:01having I was mad I couldn't get the bananas so I got a banana I also got a 20 ounce soda probably
69:07a little bit of caffeine in me what about an icy icies do still hit you know what hits the best though
69:13I can't believe you guys slept on this my king size candy bar is a Twix you wanna know why cause you
69:19get four of them I get to eat one when I'm in the car I get to put it away I get
69:25to go out at the next gas stop I pull it out I got a second Twix we get to the destination
69:31I have a Twix to eat as I'm snacking unpacking everything and that's guess what I'm laying in bed 1130 at night
69:38we're in the hotel room and I'm like there's another Twix in my glove box I can sneak out of the hotel
69:44Rosie doesn't even know about Daniel you do not have this level of discipline you're eating those four Twix one and all
69:50we don't even get five miles up the road and they are all eating you can't do a single candy bar you've
69:56gotta get one that has four pieces cause then it feels like it's so much bigger than it really you're more animated
70:02about this than you were for any of your takes this whole show this whole season maybe since the Nico Collins debate
70:08I did get in I'm gonna get you a king size Twix and some all dress potato chips we got a couple
70:14of them from check guys 10 bananas take it or leave it from KMC I mean honestly it's not a bad choice
70:20that's the main thing I would buy if I was at the grocery store gas taken hot dogs never the move from
70:26Benny Breeze no I'm Benny Breeze I think you're right high quality H2O with you on that team water there and then
70:32Dan S you want that jerky your budget is toast yeah if you here's the thing man I get stuck in my
70:38teeth I don't like it I agree and then I gotta pick it out at the end yeah it tastes good but
70:44it doesn't no I don't like it no anything from Bucky's that's from our guy Eric and Moody we should put Eric
70:50in the Bucky suit and have to answer questions like that we should he should have to spin the punishment wheel every
70:56once in a while how do we figure that out yeah we'll have to figure something out next time I have to
71:02spin he can do it for me I'll pass it on to oh yeah sure that's so generous yeah hey thanks to
71:08Liz Loza for hanging out with us again Liz you're gonna be here we're gonna do facts versus feelings in person before
71:14you get out of here but tomorrow it's gonna be back to me Field and Mike come hang out with us then
71:20guys we love you don't forget to love each other and be kind to yourself get your waiver bids in we'll see
71:26you tomorrow