0:00You and the 06010 What's good, friends? Welcome to Fantasy Focus Football alongside Mike Clay and Field Yates.
0:05My name is Daniel Dopp. Very excited to be here with you guys.
0:08How you doing, Field? You know, I'm feeling a little bit more aerodynamic myself these days, Daniel.
0:13Yeah, you know, I shaved this morning. I can see that?
0:16Yeah, sort of. Did you? Did you? I shaved, you know, I'm just...
0:19Like an electric shaver? I've heard that, you know, the less hair you have on your body, the more aerodynamic you are.
0:25Oh, is that what you hear, huh? What I hear?
0:28That's what you hear. That'll make more sense a little bit.
0:31We'll talk about that a little bit later on in the show.
0:34We have a lot of stuff to get to in today's show.
0:37Hello, Michael. Oh, hi. We have a lot of stuff to get to in today's show.
0:41No, I'm trying to delete the box score from Monday Night Football.
0:45Oh, I know. I'm sorry. I wish you could.
0:47Can you just delete it and then it goes away and you don't have to think about it?
0:52Wild. It was a wicked football game, unfortunately. Make it quick because I don't want to talk about it.
0:57Yeah, we're going to obviously dive into the Monday Night Football recap.
1:00We also have our starts of the week we got to talk about, our long shots to check in on.
1:06We got knockout leagues we're going to talk about, waiver wire targets in week four and a very fun segment at the
1:11end of the show called Fish or Cut Bait.
1:14Guys, we're deciding, are we going to keep rolling with?
1:17Are we going to cut them loose to our bench?
1:19You start fishing and suddenly we're doing fishing segments.
1:22I didn't even bring it up. This was field's idea.
1:24But I was motivated. I knew that if I pitched the segment.
1:28Yes. He would say, absolutely, I'm doing it. You knew that I would captain it.
1:32I'd be the captain of your idea. I'm the captain now.
1:34Okay. All right. Hey, speaking of being a new captain, let's talk about some news that we got yesterday, guys.
1:40Jameis Winston still going to be the starting quarterback of the New York football Giants.
1:44Now. For now. But J.J. McCarthy moving over, cost a fifth round draft pick from the Vikings.
1:48Curious how you guys feel, if any change at all, with this move and what it could mean for the Giants pass catchers moving forward.
1:55So this is a down the line thing, as you just said.
1:58Yes, obviously not right now. Jameis is going to start.
2:01This is deep cut stuff. Yep. But when you need deep cut stuff, who do you turn to?
2:06Kyle Soppy. Kyle Soppy. Yes. He did pass along to me, did Kyle.
2:09Okay. Shout out, Thirsty Kyle. Last season, when targeting tight ends, J.J.
2:13McCarthy had the sixth best passer rating in the entire NFL.
2:15All right. And T.J. Hockington wasn't a great factor last year.
2:18Mm-hmm. When looking at the quarterback rating for players when throwing to running backs and wide receivers, J.J.
2:23McCarthy ranked 33rd, which I believe was worst. So if you're looking for an Isaiah Likely case, I just made it for you.
2:29There you go. Also, if you're watching what was on the screen, that was a really good tweet.
2:34It was, who's the quarterback of the Giants? And a picture of Isaiah Likely.
2:38It's Likely 9 with his jersey. Likely 9. I wonder what uniform J.J.
2:41wears. This will be the most, probably like impactful uniform number change in quite some time.
2:46Yeah. It's like LeBron when he decided to go from 23 to 6.
2:49Yeah. Very. Yeah. Oh, yeah. It's a huge one for sure.
2:52I'm not sure about that. What? I mean, if you ask Vikings fans before yesterday, it's not a stretch at all.
2:58But now they're just like, okay, good. We don't have to defend this guy anymore.
3:02Look, his numbers so far, you know, I was looking yesterday, just 10 games with the Vikings, 11 touchdowns, 12 picks.
3:07The efficiency numbers for such a young quarterback are, you know, poor for an NFL starter, but like not awful.
3:13I mean, not, you know, 6.7 yards per attempt, 58% completion percentage.
3:16He also ran for 181 yards and four touchdowns in those games.
3:19Maybe there's hope here. Obviously, it didn't look great last year.
3:22Those numbers are probably a little better than he looked on out there on the field.
3:26So it's a dart throw by, no pun intended, by the Giants here.
3:30I'm surprised by it. I thought they'd go more of a veteran route just because what happens if he pans out?
3:35I mean, I guess it's good because you could trade him.
3:38Yeah. Exactly. You could always trade him if Jackson Dart comes back.
3:42Jackson Dart will come back next year. So interesting one for sure.
3:45But I think we're probably just a few weeks away from McCarthy being understood.
3:49Guys, you're burying the lead. He was 3-0 in his career against the NFC East.
3:53Oh, is that right? Undefeated against the new division he's going to be playing in.
3:57I mean, the Vikings defense was undefeated against the NFC East.
4:00Okay. Okay. Okay, Michael. It is amazing. Just a quick thing to say really fast, just because this is going to be the waiver show.
4:06Is there any reason or any league in which you guys...
4:09Okay. I just wanted to put it out there.
4:12Nope. Super flex, deep super flex leagues. Like three quarterback leagues.
4:15If you're in leagues where every quarterback that may start is rostered.
4:18So that's the only format. That's it. I have Tyson Bajan for perspective.
4:21Yes. Who may not even start at all this year.
4:24JJ McCarthy or Drake may rest of season. Stop it.
4:27Stop it. That's mean. Let's talk about Justin Jefferson.
4:29Yeah. Had an ankle injury. It was told... I mean, the coach said that he could have potentially come back if it
4:35was a game that was important enough for him to come back into.
4:38Have we had any updates? I haven't seen anything that says...
4:41There we go. From Ian Rappaport. Ian Rappaport says, has an ankle sprain with the imaging was good.
4:46Avoided anything long term. There is a chance to play on Sunday.
4:49The only thing that I would say about this, there's been multiple reports, including Ian's, is that we've had a few instances
4:55this year where players early in the week have been reported as having avoided a major injury and having a chance to play that week.
5:02And then? And then miss, you know, at least a week.
5:05You know, so obviously we'll see on Justin Jefferson.
5:07If he's in, you're going to play him. If he's out, and this is a great matchup against Miami, playing in Minnesota
5:13this weekend, then Jordan Addison becomes very interesting. He scored 20 points last week.
5:17All right. Anything else? Are you guys ready to dive into...
5:20I'm very sorry, Michael. Mike, I'm not ready for this at all.
5:23You have to go to the bathroom? Monday night football.
5:26Yeah, we're going to take a break. Yeah, that's just bad.
5:29This was a tough one. Embarrassing watch. Eagles and Bears.
5:31Did any of us have any faith in Case Keenum?
5:34Field did. I mean, yeah. Field liked him more than Bajan and picked the Bears.
5:38So props to you, sir. I, you know, this is one of them games watching Eagles slow start.
5:43You're like, okay, Keenum's getting away with some stuff.
5:45Just picking them apart. They'll adjust. And it started to trend that way.
5:49And the Eagles just kept making mistake after mistake.
5:51I mean, that was the hardest Eagles game to watch in years.
5:54I mean, that was a hard game to watch.
5:57If that was the worst team in the NFL, you'd be like, yeah, this checks out.
6:01Just constantly making errors like that. I mean, they could not help themselves.
6:05Embarrassing watch. And kind of hopefully a wake-up call for them because, you know, they barely got past the Titans.
6:10Barely got past the Commanders. And now getting smoked by a third-string quarterback is really bad luck.
6:15Succinctly, do you guys feel like we can buy a little more time before we draw final conclusions on the Bears players?
6:20Because Caleb Williams has basically played one game in real, like, there was terrible weather last week.
6:25He gets hurt during the game. I feel like there's still a chance that things turn around for this Bears offense.
6:31And we have increased confidence in some of the Seale guys.
6:34Do you agree with that or no? I both agree with that.
6:37And also don't know how to quantify if Kalief Raymond is just going to keep hanging around in a way that annoys us the entire season.
6:44You know, we are. I'm on a Lions group thread with you, of course, Daniel.
6:48And all the Lions fans in that thread were like, dude, Kalief's like a good player.
6:52He's just, Amon Ross St. Brown exists, so he wasn't ever going to have a huge role with Detroit.
6:57He was a good player. But he's like 32 and he's never had a production like this ever.
7:02I know! Like, this is kind of wild. It is wild.
7:05It's, like, I think he's a good player. I think what's more surprising is just how little the pass catchers in aggregate are doing.
7:11Except for Luther Burden. Yes, Luther Burden did have a nice night last night.
7:15He had his 8-yard touchdown catch. He, like, pushed the pile.
7:18The Bears pushed the pile into the end zone.
7:20That was cool. We might be feeling a little bit different about Colston Loveland or Roma Dunze if Loveland had slightly longer arms.
7:27Oh my gosh. Or if Roma Dunze didn't drop a pass wide open in the end zone.
7:31So, my personal stance here is that I think there's a chance when Caleb Williams is back after maybe a week or
7:37two of him getting reintegrated into this offense that we're talking about Colston Loveland relatively close to where we were talking about him coming into the season.
7:44Well, Case Keenum has more passing touchdowns than Drake, man.
7:47That's a tough stat. Oh, man. And I think Luther Burden and Roma Dunze, I think it's going to be a little bit of a trade-off situation.
7:54The Eagles are more interesting to me right now.
7:57Wait, until we get to that point, are you starting Roma Dunze?
8:00I am not. No, he's waiting. I mean, he's getting...
8:02He was wide receiver 49 for me coming into this week.
8:05Yeah, once again, Raymond's seven targets in this game.
8:08Dunze had six. I mean, he just continued... You can make a case to start Raymond over Dunze right now.
8:13You can't start Dunze right now. He has the talent that he belongs on benches.
8:17Now, you kind of have to hope that... Remember, he was injured leading up to the season almost in play week when
8:23you have to hope that he's getting back to 100%.
8:26At some point, he'll have that big breakout game.
8:28Again, to your point, he had an end zone target.
8:31Should have had a touchdown. It may come. He had six targets in this game, but he's not a starter right now.
8:37Yeah, Rome's a bench. And then Loveland and Burden both were like arrows trending up after season.
8:41I would still say Loveland on benches. I mean, I don't want to say...
8:45I mean, if you're in a tough spot, he's a borderline starter, but he's arguably like Dalton Schultz, Hunter Henry, Tucker Craft.
8:51He's in that tier right now. I mean, he had four targets out of 34 pass attempts.
8:55It's bad. That's not going to cut it. And that's been a trend three games in now.
9:00Yes, I agree. He's a trickier one. And I think if I have him, like the options in leagues where I have
9:06him are so limited, whereas at Doonsay, the pivots are so much more clear.
9:10The Doonsay, I wonder if at some point we'll have a conversation.
9:13It's not quite as dramatic given the circumstances in which they entered the league and were drafted.
9:17But it feels a little bit like Marvin Harrison Jr.
9:20right now. A little bit. You know, they were taking five spots apart.
9:24I hear you. I understand why you're upset about it.
9:26He at least had a string last year of really good games, which gives you some hope.
9:31But yeah, it's just not. Maybe not a string, but Marv's had some pockets, but not.
9:35Not quite. Not like Roman did to open last season.
9:38That first month he was, what, a top five fantasy receiver.
9:41And then it really sunk. I don't really know exactly what's gone wrong.
9:44I know that. And look, Caleb Williams' passing efficiency wasn't great last year.
9:48Like, he can do a lot. And he's a playmaker and added a lot of value with his legs.
9:53But he completed, what, like 59% of his passes.
9:55That's not a good number. Like, that connection between them two, once Caleb's back, is going to have to improve.
10:00So to put a pin in the Bears quickly.
10:03Yes. Colston Loveland, fringe tight end one. I mean, like, possible starter intensity.
10:06Yep, with you. Luther Burden, the Bears wide receiver I have the most confidence in.
10:10With you in lineups. Not too far behind that, Kalief Raymond.
10:13On benches for right now, Roman. Roman Dunze. Yep.
10:16For the Eagles, this one's frustrating. I mean, Mike, I'm sure is more frustrated.
10:19But, like, the eye test is not great. Jalen Hurts, late in week one through two touchdown passes.
10:24Last week was just okay. Where does Jalen Hurts generally tier right now amongst QBs?
10:28He's back. He's fallen to fringe QB1. He's not running that much either.
10:32It's a problem. Hardly running. Yeah. I mean, he was kind of built out last night by that last second at the
10:38end of the first half tush push. Yeah, absolutely was.
10:40Yeah, it wasn't good. They were, especially early in the game, it felt like they were going to get going.
10:46Like, it just seemed like they were starting to move the ball.
10:49There was something going on offensively. Devontae Smith obviously made some plays.
10:52That guy is ridiculous. But they just couldn't consistently get drives going.
10:55And that was the same thing that happened last year.
10:58So, you have to hope that it's just taking some time in the Sean Mannion offense.
11:02But it's not happening. Like, they can't drive down the field and score just like last year.
11:07It's a big problem. That sequence when he came off the field to get checked out for a concussion.
11:12And then Andy Dalton throws an interception at the goal line.
11:15That was not great. That felt like the turning point.
11:18There was a lot of time still left in the game.
11:20But to me, that felt like the turning point.
11:23Like, it was brutal. A friend of mine made a point who was a big Eagles fan as well.
11:28Like, the Eagles are carrying four quarterbacks. And like, your backup comes in and does that.
11:32I mean, what's the point of having all them quarterbacks?
11:35If you're going to step in for one play and throw it right to the defender, unacceptable.
11:39Yeah, not great there for the Eagles. And I talked about this, what, a week or two ago?
11:44Like, we've degraduated from elite running back for Saquon Barkley.
11:47Yeah. We just have. And it's not his fault.
11:49He ran, he was great in that game. I mean, the running lanes were massive.
11:53Props to the O-line. They should have just handed it off every play, honestly.
11:57Because the dude was unstoppable. Over five yards of carry.
12:00Yeah. But the two question marks, when we talked about this a couple weeks ago, were he's not going to get the goal line work.
12:07At least not to himself. Because the tush push is still allowed.
12:10The two goal line works they had was Jalen Hurts getting a touchdown and Andy Dalton throwing an interception, right?
12:15Those were the two goal line opportunities. And then Saquon doesn't catch passes anymore.
12:19One for a lot of two. Negative two receiving yards.
12:22Yeah, Will Shipley's playing a role in passing situations.
12:24Yeah, is that the second time this year he's lost yards in the game?
12:28Didn't he have negative receiving yards in week one as well?
12:31Him and Kai Lemon. There's too many negative receiving yards.
12:33Oh, man. Yeah. Are we getting at the point?
12:36I hear you. Where this passing offense is going to start to kind of mirror the Ravens with the way we look
12:42at it, where as much as we like Dontavian Wicks, he's kind of like the Rashad Bateman of this offense.
12:47Yeah, I mean, that's what we thought coming in.
12:49And that's the one thing we got right about this.
12:52I mean, we thought they'd score more. It's Devontae Smith.
12:55And then that's basically it. I know Wicks had a couple of pockets earlier, but I think that was more fluky than it is sustainable.
13:01Yeah, two for 32 in this game. I might be like trying to, is Wish cast a word?
13:06Wish, maybe. Sure, whatever. I'm trying to like, I don't know if this is like the person who has Dallas Goddard and
13:12kind of needs him in a high stakes league.
13:15Kind of feels like they miss him on offense.
13:17I could see. Yeah, I mean, Zach Ertz made his return last night.
13:20Didn't play a lot. It was his first game back.
13:23First game of the season. But yeah, definitely. Middle of the field outlet.
13:27It felt like, yeah. Maybe less likely to move on from him next offseason.
13:30Especially if Eli Stowers doesn't work out. Guys, I just really want to, last thing, very so fast.
13:35I want to give a quick shout out to Case Keenum.
13:38This dude came off of a bench. And he was a top five quarterback.
13:42The top five quarterbacks for this week? No way.
13:44Unbelievably, I don't want to say gross, but just not what you would have expected coming into the week.
13:49Yeah, we have a full screen here. Brock Purdy, number one.
13:52Sam Darnold, number two. Geno Smith, number three. Jacoby Brissett, number four.
13:55Case Keenum, number five. Those are your top five fantasy quarterbacks for week three.
13:59Here's the question, though. You're in a normal 10 or 12 team league.
14:03You putting a claim in for any of them?
14:05Assume Purdy's on a roster, not him. But like Darnold, Smith, Brissett, Keenum.
14:09Claim in any of those guys. We'll talk about Brissett a little bit later, but the rest of them are a no.
14:14I think the biggest thing for quarterbacks this year that I've noticed early, man alive to matchups matter this year.
14:20Oh, yes. Because there are some absolutely feastful, I made that word up again, we talked about this after when we did our week one rankings.
14:27We were like, why is a guy that's ranked like QB two or three so low?
14:31Because we said it's Josh Allen, and then there's this gigantic tier of quarterbacks.
14:35So matchup is going to swing these guys from 21 to seven some weeks.
14:39I mean, wait till you see the rankings tomorrow, because I have two guys in the top five or six who are outside the top 12 most weeks.
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16:03starts of the week here the other week. Whoops.
16:05Quick recap here, Field. We're going to start with you for this one.
16:09Here we are in week three. You started Tyler Shuck.
16:11He played very well again. Yep. Bucky Irving, Garrett Wilson absolutely smashed.
16:15And Travis Kelsey, only two catches, but he just keeps doing the thing.
16:18On the end zone. 72.2 total fantasy. I'll take that.
16:21Bucky obviously got banged up. Mike Clay. Scoring correction.
16:23I need a scoring correction. Uh-oh. How come? Because I lost by like one point.
16:27Oh, that's why. Okay. Not because there was actually a correct.
16:30Okay. Brock Purdy, 31.28. Mike got lucky because he played a DFS lineup.
16:34Had the stack with George Kittle. Those two late touchdowns.
16:3626.2 fantasy points for Kittle. Judkins and Tedderall McMillan both dudded, but 71.08.
16:40My starts of the week for this week. Patrick Mahomes against Miami.
16:43Oh, no. Chuba Hubbard. Nice. Also, only fine. Chris Olave, 19.7.
16:46Guy's so freaking good, man. Guys, Dalton Kincaid. I can't get the tight end position right.
16:50Not much can. Which means, for the second week in a row, I've got to spin the wheel.
16:55Yeah. Let's go. By the way, we were texting, group texting about this, and I was like, I'm in trouble.
17:00And that was before either of the two touchdowns from Purdy to Kittle.
17:04Purdy and Kittle. It just started heating up. And Purdy actually had a, we were laughing because Purdy had a long rushing
17:10touchdown, but there was a hold at the last second by Kittle to stop it.
17:14The next play, he catches the touchdown. Yes. It was like a very selfish hold.
17:18He ends up getting the points out of it.
17:20So, even better for me. I was so frustrated when that happened.
17:23I just wanted to shut the game off. Amazing second half comeback.
17:27Well, before we do this one, because I'm going to spin it next, we're going to pay off what I had was
17:33my loss a couple of weeks ago, and we have a few things for you to be able to watch.
17:38Oh, boy. All right, Daniel Dopp. Today is the day.
17:41You have to pay off the wax your leg punishment.
17:43How are we feeling? What are your expectations for this punishment?
17:46Expectations are low. I am feeling nerves. I am not excited about the follicle coming out of the skin, and I know that's going to happen a lot.
17:54I wasn't intending on you being the one who had to follow through with us.
17:58You are officially 100% not allowed in our YouTube chat anymore.
18:01I love you so much. You don't get to vote on punishments.
18:04I'm going to go get the paya ripped out of my legs.
18:07I love you. I hope you're proud of what you've done.
18:10All right. Oh, Christina. Okay. Here we go. I don't want to do this anymore, guys.
18:14All right. My gosh. One. Don't one, two, three me.
18:17Two. Don't. It's fine. Three. Oh, see, oh. Ouch!
18:19Oh, my gosh. You didn't even pull any of it out.
18:22You left it all in there. Why didn't it come out?
18:25Christina. Oh, okay. Two. Oh, that one removed on the first one.
18:29I don't want this anymore. Why did I choose fantasy football for a living?
18:32I don't want to do this. Oh, Kevin Clarkson.
18:35I'm going to be like a frigging... I don't like...
18:37Oh, no! Holy... Back to counting. You know what I don't love?
18:41I don't love the way that you're chuckling after every time you do it right now.
18:45Is this the way they do it in, like, real places?
18:48Do they put them on with, like, stuff like this?
18:50Oh, no! You made eye contact with me and did that while I was talking to you!
18:55Oh, Green Bay Packers! Christina! I don't like this.
18:57Devon A-chan! Guys. We are not worthy. Guys, you want to know what an Olympian feels like?
19:02Go ahead and touch my leg right now. That's what it feels like.
19:05Dude! Do you feel how soft it is? It feels like a marble statue.
19:09Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't want to... I'm basically, right now, like, a third of Michael Phelps.
19:14Wow, that's crazy. That would be uncomfortable and it was probably worse than the actual punishment.
19:18It was terrible. For me, my experience watching that was probably worse.
19:22I just want to say one more time, Mama Dopp, I hope you're proud of yourself.
19:26And please, no more. All right. All right, spin the wheel.
19:29Now that I have that, I get to spin the wheel.
19:32Wait, what is on the wheel? They told me because they're replacing the punishments, so they just covered up.
19:37Wait, what is under that? Do you have to take it off of there first?
19:41Yeah. The other option that we're doing is wax under like, you b-holes!
19:44No way. You better not! No way. That is not an option.
19:48Wax other leg does not count. All right, here we go.
19:50I'm going to spin the wheel. If that happens, I'm going to lose my mind.
19:54You guys are doing this show by yourself. Oh, that'd be amazing.
19:58Here we go. Three, two, one. All right. Wheel is slowing down.
20:01Guys, here we go. It is mild. Oh, man.
20:03I'm not sure I'm going to survive this season, guys.
20:06Yeah. Better start percent better lineup, sir. It's week four.
20:09I've got the two worst punishments and it's week four.
20:11Okay. We'll talk about this. Let me, let me, we're going to figure it out for a moment.
20:16This is like an editor's note here. We did have a recent conversation about whether we need to remove the beer mile.
20:22We're going to see whether we get approval on this.
20:25You might just have to run a mile. You think I can't run a mile?
20:29Nope. I don't know about that. Full speed. I don't know.
20:32We'll figure it out. We'll see something. That is, I forgot that was still on there.
20:36A beer mile? A milk mile? We actually, we are going to legitimately remove the waxed leg, right?
20:41Yeah. No. You guys might have to wax you.
20:43That was their, I think that was a prank.
20:46All right. All right. Anyway, set better lineups. Guys, this is terrible.
20:49All right. Long shot check in really quickly, guys.
20:51I'm not excited about starts of the week anymore.
20:54Yeah. Long shot check ins. None of us got it.
20:56AJ Dillon, Laquan Treadwell, Sky Moore, Colby Young. Nobody even close.
20:59Yeah. Some, some, some of those guys got decent run.
21:02Colby Young ended up further down the depth chart than we thought without Andre Osivas.
21:06Yeah. Was it Dante Myers? Yep. Got the run there as the three.
21:09But yeah, Moore was busy. Should be again until Jaden Reed's back in that offense.
21:13Laquan Treadwell was very busy in the Colts offense, but Darius Sling could take on a larger role.
21:18And AJ Dillon's a two in Carolina right now.
21:21So we're on the right track there, but nobody's going.
21:23This graphic is kind of isolated. It's cold because there's only one thing that matters, right?
21:28It's like, did you score or not? Yeah. It would have been kind of nice if it was like, yeah, AJ Dillon,
21:34like, you know, played 42% of the snaps. Someone, does your phone make a frog noise?
21:38That was R2D2. Oh, that was mom adopt texting me in the middle of the show.
21:42Oh, nice. Anyways. Yeah. None of us got it right that week.
21:45That sucks. Yeah. What can you do? By the way, it's like zeros and ones.
21:49Like that's Mike's literal language. It's either it works or it doesn't.
21:53That's exactly right. That's exactly what it is. Don't trust the process.
21:56That's what I often say. We have, by the way, speaking of punishments, Daniel obviously is feeling it from yesterday.
22:01I play in another league where we spin the wheel as well.
22:04We have a weekly punishment for the low scorer.
22:07Okay. There's 14 of us. So, you know, your odds of being the low scorer, whatever, whatever one in 14 is.
22:12A friend of mine is a lawyer, like a high powered attorney in Chicago, and he has to wear a tuxedo to work today.
22:19So, he's been sending us pictures. Not acknowledge it, hopefully.
22:21He's been sending pictures to me, and he has said, I am allowed to use them on our show.
22:27So, maybe tomorrow I'll give a look at that.
22:29Oh, that's amazing. My friend Spencer's Day is a lawyer in a tuxedo in Chicago.
22:33Quick shout out to our buddy Joe Fortenbaugh, who is unfortunately no longer with us.
22:37Whoa, don't say it that way. In our knockout league.
22:40Every week he says it that way. Don't do that.
22:42Knockout. Look at that though. Joe's a good looking man.
22:45Sam Darnold, he was good. Right. George Pickens wasn't bad, but then everyone else.
22:49Devine A. Chan unfortunately got hurt. Emmanuel Wilson, Jalen Waddle, Hunter Henry, and Jalen Coker.
22:53Two guys that got hurt. Devine A. Chan actually is the player that was rostered in the most knockout leagues to be knocked out this week.
23:00So, we also have an ESPN editorial knockout league.
23:02Did you guys see what happened in that one?
23:05No, what happened? The tie. Or by .02. .02 was a different.
23:08Oh yeah, that wasn't the, was that the editorial?
23:10No, that was the other one, I think. Oh, sorry.
23:13That was the other one. Elite league. That's right.
23:15The one with a bunch of our friends and celebrities are in and all that kind of stuff.
23:20Yeah, it was a 53 point. Yeah, that's right.
23:2253.46 was the low score. 53.48 was the second lowest score.
23:25Yeah. By the way, in both of those leagues, the knockout team had Josh Allen under center.
23:30Very interesting. Oh, that's crazy. He might knock down when he won.
23:33Right. Um, and he can also sink your ship.
23:36Yeah. All right. Quick check in really fast before we dive into waivers.
23:39We got some board bets. We want to make sure we pay off.
23:43Mike and I had a board bet, but it was voided.
23:45So we're not even going to talk about this one.
23:48It was on age fan. Yeah, that's unfortunate. So that one is out.
23:52I was going to win. So I'll take, I'll accept victory.
23:55I doubt that the other one, Mike definitely got this one, right?
23:58Terry McLaurin had a huge rebound outscores Denzel Boston.
24:00Michael Clay takes this one. Thank you. Shout out to you on that.
24:04Hey, crush it. And with that, let's dive into some priority waiver ads here in week four.
24:08My friends talk about a handful of guys. Hey guys, start at the running back spot.
24:13Yeah. We have a lot of running backs to talk about.
24:15I'll be honest with you. I was working on the playbook last night and preparing to talk waivers and looking at, uh, there's three teams that are lost.
24:23They're running back that we're going to have to talk about, right?
24:26That are very unlikely to play this week. We're definitely not going to play this week.
24:30Miami, obviously with HM, the jets with breeze hall is probably going to be out.
24:34And Travis H and down with new Orleans, he's going to be out.
24:38So we have to talk about all the running back options.
24:41It wasn't fun. There's no one for one. No, there's no one for one.
24:45And this was not fun. These guys have not necessarily had a lot of work in the pros or they haven't been
24:51very good when they've gotten run off the bench.
24:53So, um, this is kind of gross and it's going to be hard to sort through these, but we'll tell you how we anticipate it looking.
25:00So we're going to start with the jets, a groin injury, a thigh injury.
25:04I've heard a couple of different things here. Yeah.
25:06breeze hall week to week. I think you have to at least plan on him not being there.
25:11And if that's the case, the guy that we saw take over was Braylon Allen.
25:15How high up this list are you guys? Is he is a must add for you at running back?
25:20He is the number one out of all the running backs available this week.
25:24We were talking about this pre-show. Breece hall got hurt at 1130.
25:27Correct. 1130. 11 minutes and 36 seconds left in the fourth quarter on Sunday.
25:31Good call. Get it right. That's good. Uh, and the rest of the way, the jets ran 17 plays.
25:36Braylon Allen played all 17 of those plays. Mm-hmm.
25:38We talk about how, like sometimes when quarterbacks get hurt, like how it goes the rest of the game for the backup
25:44is not reflective of how we feel. We'll go for that backup with the full week of preparation.
25:49Yep. The bear is probably a good testament to that last night.
25:52When a running back gets hurt, like it's not unusual for the third running back on the roster to have a role anyways.
25:58And so you can just split the snaps the rest of the way.
26:02For Isaiah Davis to play zero snaps in the last 17 was notable to me.
26:06The jets, I think playing on Braylon Allen being their guy this weekend, at least against the bears.
26:11So I think as a defense, you can run the football against sake one average.
26:15Yeah. What nearly five and a half yards per carry last night.
26:18So Braylon Allen will be my priority. Even if this is only a one week thing, which it sounds like there's a chance.
26:24This is a one week fill in. Yeah. By the way, Allen kind of a fun player in theory to watch.
26:30He's one of the biggest running backs in the NFL.
26:32He's like six, one, what two 30. I lost some weight in the off season.
26:36Gets a lot of hype every year. Oh no.
26:39He's going to eat into Bryce, uh, Brees Hall's workload.
26:41And it just hasn't happened. He hasn't really done it.
26:44And he hasn't run well. He's averaging 3.7 yards per carry so far in his career.
26:48And he's been around, we'll say, I mean, he missed most of last season.
26:52So it's not fair to, you know, hold that against him, but, uh, he hasn't really emerged as real, a real threat.
26:58He only has two double digit fantasy games. Both were in 2024.
27:01So I'm curious to see him get 15, 20 touches and see what he could do with it.
27:06But, uh, so far it hasn't happened. It makes me temper expectations.
27:09When you think 15 to 20 touches, how many of them are in the rushing game?
27:13How many of them are in the most in the, I would imagine most in the, rushing Isaiah Davis.
27:19There was, it was, um, two years ago. Hall was the lead back for the jets.
27:23This was a different coaching staff. Keep in mind, but Davis and, uh, Alan were kind of splitting the number two job back and forth.
27:30Uh, and Davis outplayed him. I mean, by the way, Davis had 64 touches last year and in his career, he's averaging 5.6 yards per carry.
27:37So he's a pretty good player. Yes. So I just want to, I agree with you.
27:41Alan's a priority. I'm more likely to go with him as a flex.
27:44I mean, Davis doesn't even have a touch this year.
27:47So naturally we're going to lean toward Alan, but there's a chance that he's kind of grinding away and Davis is the one making plays.
27:54It's at least possible. So just, it makes me hesitate a little bit with how much capital I'm going to spend here.
28:00On top of the fact that we are talking about most likely splits in all of these situations where three starting running backs went down.
28:06We're also talking about three teams who the running backs that went down weren't exactly crushing, right?
28:11Devon HN is in a struggling Miami offense. We'll talk about Travis HN in a struggling Saints running game.
28:16And then Brees Hall, who very talented, but the story of Brees Hall's fantasy career has always been like, there is plenty
28:22of upside because he's just that talented. The infrastructure isn't great around him.
28:25So Braylon Allen is my number one running back ad for this week.
28:29He will not crack my top 20 for week four running back ranks.
28:32Let's talk about Travis HN next. Yeah. By the way, if you don't like hearing HN and you're getting frustrated with the
28:38HN ETN stuff, like neither of them are, none of them are playing.
28:42There's three of them. There's three of them. None of them are still on IR.
28:46Travis is going to be out. And of course, Devon is out for the season.
28:50So if you were frustrated with that, you don't have to sweat it for this.
28:54Travis HN missing time with a hamstring. Sounds like it could be a couple of weeks.
28:58We got Alvin Kamara. We got Kendra Miller and CJ freaking Donaldson just won't go away in this backfield as well.
29:04You mean like that's not his middle name? No, no, you just, that's not a real person, right?
29:08What did I say? No, it's a joke. Cause CJ Donaldson, that's made up.
29:12That's can't be a real person. I was like, did I call him the wrong name?
29:16I felt so bad. And they give Travis a ton of money and they have Kendra Miller.
29:21And why is CJ Donaldson touching the football as much as he is?
29:24Brought back Alvin Kamara. There's no way that's a real thing.
29:27But it is. Is Alvin Kamara going to be like the guy?
29:31I know you said there's no like one-to-one replacement.
29:33How are you guys both looking at this? I probably, if I'm, if I'm pressed to add a Saints running back, I'm adding Alvin Kamara.
29:40My expectations are pretty low. I was talking last week leading into week three.
29:43Like I don't understand this Travis HN thing for many reasons.
29:46Most notably is that Alvin Kamara is getting opportunities and he's one of the least effective running backs in the NFL.
29:52Now all-time legend, all-time Saints legend, all-time fantasy legend, not an effective running back anymore.
29:56Could you surprise us in a game or two?
29:58For sure. But I just feel like there's a chance that this Saints offense will still be good because Tyler Shuck is chucking it.
30:05And Tyler Shuck, I think will be the goal line option for the Saints.
30:09They've run multiple quarterback sneaks from the one yard line or two yard line and in with Tyler Shuck already this year.
30:14Like I wouldn't be surprised if they get the ball down to the one yard line.
30:19And the first thought, the first call is tap your own number here.
30:22Tap your own helmet, Tyler Shuck. I know it's not the same, but I feel like Ryan Tannehill used to have a
30:28large number of goal line rushing touchdowns. Maybe that was with Derek Henry.
30:32Maybe that was why. Yeah. I agree with you.
30:34I think Kamara is the priority add here, but remember last year he was still the lead back in New Orleans.
30:40He averaged 12.8 carries and 3.7 targets per game in his 10 full games.
30:43He had one touchdown and was an average under 10 fantasy points per game.
30:47I think they've been using a three-headed committee so far this season.
30:50That's not going to change without HNN. They're going to say, Kendra Miller will be actually.
30:55Kendra Miller, he played, I don't know if HNN got beat up and then left the game briefly and then came back
31:00in for one more play, but Kendra Miller did not play a snap in that game until the second to last snap for HNN.
31:07He went in, then Kendra came in and played like four straight plays.
31:10HNN came in for one play and then he was done for the game.
31:14So I don't know exactly what happened there, but regardless, he's going to be involved.
31:18He was involved a lot once HNNN went down in that game.
31:21This is a guy that's been fine so far.
31:24He's averaging 3.9 yards per carry in his career.
31:26To your point, Donaldson's going to be involved here as well, but Kamara should be the lead.
31:31Miller involved. Donaldson's going to handle some snaps. And this week they're playing Atlanta.
31:34Atlanta's been really good against the run so far.
31:373.1 yards per carry to the opposing running back.
31:39Fourth fewest fantasy points. So situation to avoid at the minimum, at the most Kamara is on the flex radar in 12 team leagues.
31:46That's it. I was just going to say, can we quantify for Braylon Allen?
31:49He's a priority at, and I would add him in 10 team leagues for this week.
31:54I would, yeah, probably both. I'm probably adding 12.
31:56I would say Allen's a priority though. Yeah, I would agree for, you would add Alvin Kamara in a 10 team league as well.
32:03You would at least consider it. Yep. Yeah. Cause it could be, I mean, there's a chance HNN goes on IR at the very least.
32:09He's probably going to miss a couple of weeks.
32:12Okay. So we just, we just were told miss time.
32:14That's all we were told. He's going to miss time.
32:17So then we got one other backfield and it's the Miami dolphins.
32:20When you look at this backfield, obviously Ollie Gordon was the guy 14 and a half fantasy points.
32:25The most running choice. They didn't have a choice.
32:27He literally had two running backs active. He scored more points than Devon HN did in either of his first two weeks.
32:33I have zero confidence in this offense though. Like I would not be adding a dolphins running back in a 10 team league.
32:40I would have to be in a much deeper league.
32:42Where are you guys at on this one? I would take a good, no, you go.
32:47I was going to say, I'm going to take flyers here.
32:49So this is just an end of bench thing.
32:52I'm not starting them this week for sure. Ollie Gordon came in last year, one of the youngest running backs in the NFL.
32:58There's a lot of hype there, very intriguing prospect, but it hasn't happened so far.
33:02Yes. He was forced into work last week. Had to play.
33:05He played 82% of the snaps. Obviously HN went down early, 41 yards and 17 carries had 14 yards on three targets
33:11in the game, but he's now at 2.7 yards per carry in his career so far.
33:15It just hasn't happened yet. He did score five touchdowns last year off the bench essentially, but Jalen Wright is going to be involved.
33:22Like it's not just going to be a one man show.
33:25Assuming he's healthy and ready to go this week, he'll be a factor.
33:28Where's the positive point that you're wanting? I'm not getting there.
33:31Okay. Okay. Wright did have 70 plus touches each of the last two seasons.
33:35Now, every time it seemed like Gordon was going to take the two job behind HN, Wright somehow took it back.
33:40So maybe he's the lead back. And that's one of the dangers here of prioritizing Ollie Gordon.
33:45Okay. I think, but they're also facing Minnesota this week.
33:48So if you need more ammunition to not start them this week, they're allowing 3.1 yards per carry.
33:52And the third few is fantasy points to running back.
33:55So like I said, this was gross working through all these options here.
33:59It's not good situations. It's probably going to be all committees.
34:01These are not guys you're usually going to want to start.
34:04Um, but usually if you're like, there's a lead back on waivers, usually it's a fine person to put on the end of your bench.
34:11Just to, just to see what happens. Um, this, but again, we were talking about Devon HM, one of the most talented running backs in the entire NFL.
34:19And he's getting lots of opportunities and being remarkably inefficient.
34:21And now agreed a much lesser player behind him.
34:24These all it's, it's simultaneously a little bit tantalizing on roster on waivers when it's like, wow, he's starting running back.
34:29Right. And then you're like, I'm not sure that any of these guys are really worth it.
34:34So, um, not a great waiver week. I actually feel like the best value on the waivers this week is quarterback streamers.
34:40I agree. Just really quickly, Minnesota, then Cincinnati, then a buy for the dolphins.
34:43So it's going to be, you know, three tough weeks in a row for Ali Gordon.
34:48If you do grab him. Yeah. If Gordon, uh, we'll do ranks tomorrow, but he is not in my top 30.
34:53Also just be, he's not playing right now, but at the running back spot, do you guys think Zach Charbonnet needs to be added now?
35:00Or would you wait another week or two until you decided to grab him?
35:04I think he's what available in about 50% of leagues right now.
35:07Um, yeah, I think he's fine. I put him on my bench for sure.
35:11He's probably going to be looking at 15 plus carries, at least a game.
35:15I mean, no one else is emerging. So I think he absolutely should be added.
35:19Yeah, no doubt. You have a question. Braylon Allen.
35:21Yeah. Alvin Kamara, Zach Charbonnet. I would do it this way.
35:24Here's how I would rank. Ali Gordon. Is the way that you ranked, I would go Braylon Allen, Alvin Kamara, um, Ali
35:30Gordon, in terms of the backup running backs to fill in.
35:33If you need somebody right now, but if you're just sifting through, I think the most valuable rest of season player is Zach Charbonnet.
35:39He's actually 100%. That's what I was going to say.
35:42If you're, if you had Hall and H, I actually, in our dynasty, like I have Hall and H and so I'm in trouble.
35:48Uh, like I would have to prioritize Braylon Allen, Kamara because of your running back situation.
35:53I need them. Even Montgomery for Jamar Chase. Who said, uh, yeah, I got to think about that.
35:57I mean, if I go just set, can you send me all them, uh, tweets from the David Montgomery supporters from after week one?
36:04Cause then that'll kind of incentivize me to make that move.
36:07uh, anyway, aged well. Yeah. But if not, if I don't need a running back, if I'm health, if I made it
36:13through healthy, certainly Charbonnet would be the priority. I have to imagine the second half of the season.
36:17That guy is going to be very busy. Let's talk about the quarterbacks really quickly field.
36:22Marcus Mariota looked good in his first game filling in for Jaden Daniels.
36:25He's got to be on this list as a guy you're thinking about.
36:29I think there's really only two guys for me.
36:31It's him and Jacoby Brissett. Yeah. He has a great matchup does Marcus Mario.
36:35There's a third name that I'll mention, but I don't feel as confident in.
36:39I talked about him a couple of days ago in a negative light, but Mariota man, like it's, it's, we're sort of
36:44having a relative movement for these like backup quarterbacks that enter the league with either a lot of pedigree or a lot
36:50of college production or both case Keenum. Did you guys see that graphic last night during the Monday night football broadcast where
36:56it showed case Keenum played five years of college ball.
36:59He's in his 14th NFL season. And he still has more career passing yards and passing touchdowns during his college career than his 14th NFL season.
37:06That's wild. That's insane. He was the most prolific passer in NCAA history.
37:09He was amazing. And at his time, I played one season of college football fantasy or fantasy college football.
37:14And that was my quarterback. And I crushed that league.
37:17It was a one season. It's like, I'm retired.
37:20Case Keenum was the man back. He still is the man.
37:22Um, so anyways, we're having a kind of movement here and Marcus Mario does part of that movement.
37:27He is a totally serviceable backup quarterback. He is probably, if you were a starter somewhere between like 21 and 32, but
37:33as a backup, he's somewhere between like one and three in terms of best backups in the NFL.
37:38And my, Oh my, what a matchup he has across the pond in Indianapolis.
37:42The Colts actually weren't terrible against the Texans last week.
37:44Also might be because they were throwing to like Dalton Schultz and Xavier Hutchinson, the Texans kind of a massive, a passing game as it were.
37:51If you told me that Marcus Mariota with his rushing upside gets to 20 this weekend, I wouldn't be surprised.
37:57I would either. Yeah. I think he was obviously nothing.
37:59He was very efficient. He had three passing touchdowns and only 186 passing yards.
38:03But if you took away a little bit of that, you know, passing involvement and gave it a little bit more to
38:09his legs, which is actually more valuable for us in fantasy.
38:12I could still see him being in that, in that streaming radar for this week.
38:16Remember on a per game basis, last season filling in for Daniels, he was QB 12.
38:20So he's certainly a streaming option when the matchup is right.
38:23Last week, we said maybe avoid him against Seattle, which I mean, yeah, that one works out missing that.
38:28I mean, like who would have thought, but yeah, it gets the Colts this week.
38:32So it should be even better. Colts this week.
38:35And then the Giants next week, those are his next two matchups.
38:38Okay. The other guy I would consider would be Jacoby Brissette in part because he keeps doing it.
38:43Two week thing too. Like when I look at Jacoby Brissette this week, he's going to be taking on the New York Giants.
38:49They've got a bunch of guys, unfortunately, that they're dealing with injuries through.
38:52And then the next matchup is the Detroit lions.
38:55So if you grab reset, you would probably be thinking, at least I have a quarterback for a couple of weeks that I would be streaming.
39:02Cause we know that you were probably going to play him against Detroit.
39:05He'd be in that low end QB one radar in week five.
39:09Yeah. More on this tomorrow, but Kyler Murray, they're still available on 40% of leagues and he gets Miami this week.
39:14Kyler is. So yeah. Yeah. So certainly a great spot for him this week to get, you know, to have kind of
39:20his breakout game, hopefully from a fantasy perspective. Yes.
39:22We would hope that. Yes, indeed. Kenyon Sadiq's the only tight end and he looked fantastic, but I'm definitely adding him off of waivers.
39:29If he is out there right now, he's like the, I was just going to say, this is why you spend late
39:35flyers on high pedigree, first round talents and just stash him there.
39:38Just, I mean, this, what did I say in the off season?
39:41The last five, the last five tight ends drafted in the first round finished top, top 12 and much like the Jeremiah love stats.
39:48Uh, and Sadiq already, I mean, he missed like the whole off season it's week three and he's already having, he's had two big games now.
39:55I mean, he looked awesome in this one. Uh, he, he looked, he looked really good.
39:59And am I worried that that's the best game we'll have all season?
40:02Yes. But again, when we have, if this were a week with seven clear and obvious waiver ads, we would not be
40:08mentioning the name Kenyon Sadiq, but he showed enough.
40:11He's talented enough. And there's enough opportunity there with Mason Taylor out and the jets being thin amongst pass catchers in general, that maybe he turns into.
40:18Yeah. Remember you draft a tight end in the first round to be an elite tight end, not to be just like
40:24a, okay guy, he should be featured. And he's, he already had a game like this.
40:28He's already ninth in fantasy points per game. A tight end should be rostered in every league.
40:33This guy could be top five the rest of the season.
40:36You also draft in real life, these elite tight ends to be the greatest market inefficiency in the NFL right now.
40:41You guys, I'm sure you guys have seen this.
40:44You got, we obviously watched the saints and Raiders game on Sunday and the way in which Brock Bowers was deployed was basically as a wide receiver.
40:51I saw the splits between the amount of snaps he played as inline tight end versus split out either in the slot or all the way out wide.
40:58He played like what? 12% of his snaps is an inline tight end.
41:02He's extension eligible after this season. I was just going to ask you this.
41:05And the Raiders, if they blow the tight end market away, are going to pay him like 21, $22 million per year.
41:11He's worth more than that. The Patriots played Romeo Dobbs, $17 million per year this off season.
41:16Yep. Which one of those guys would you like how much of a Delta in average annual value is there between those two players, right?
41:23Like what he's not, I would take, if I'm building a passing offense, I would take one of those top flight wide
41:29receivers that the Jamar Chase, JSN types that are already the very top of the food chain over Brock Bowers, but not by a lot.
41:35Nope. And they're going to be much else to $20 million more per year.
41:39It's wild. He's a, if he's listening, he might hire you as an agent.
41:43He's got a, he's got one of the best ever.
41:45So he'll be in good hands. I don't know.
41:48You're making a, you're making a strong case. It really is like, if you're a team that thinks this guy can be
41:54the focal point to your passing game, that's an amazing.
41:56Yeah. By the way, Michael Mayer is their tight end.
41:59Yeah, he is. Brock Bowers is their top receiver.
42:01Brock Bowers wide receiver. Yeah. Yeah, definitely. Let's dive into the mailbag, my friends.
42:05Let's do it. We got a couple of people.
42:08We're going to get some questions from first and foremost, guys, I asked you, did anybody lose by a point or less with Debo Samuel in your lineup?
42:15We in fact had a lineup in which Debo Samuel scored the 15.4 fantasy points.
42:19That's 80 receiving yards and a touchdown, but didn't get the catch.
42:22And they lost one 11.04 to one 11.26. Not getting that reception.
42:26Even in half PPR, you would have won that.
42:28Yes. That's so frustrating. That's a tough one. But you know what's amazing is like, as you're, yeah, as you're going through
42:34Sunday, when Debo had that 80 yard hook and ladder, you're like, that's amazing.
42:38This is incredible. This is great. Like I just got 14 fantasy points out of nowhere.
42:42Do you guys call it a hook and ladder, hook and lateral?
42:45Hook and ladder. I say hook and ladder. Okay.
42:47But is it a hook and ladder? I think both are socially acceptable.
42:51Yes. Because, you know, one player is running a hook.
42:54He is then throwing a lateral. Yes. To the other player.
42:57Yeah. Why would it be called a ladder? I don't know, but apparently they're both socially acceptable.
43:01That's, that's typical of English, the English language, right?
43:04We just say stuff. We're like, you know what?
43:06We're just going to change it. It's like, I talked to my daughters about that.
43:10It's just like, they come home starting to say words that like new popular words that don't make sense.
43:15I'm like that. That's not what that word means though.
43:18And they're like, well, yes, it does. I'm like, no, it doesn't.
43:21That's not what that word means. And they just use it that way.
43:24And it's just. And they just decide that's what it is.
43:27That's what you can do. You can just make something mean something.
43:31All right, guys. That's what it is. Another farf and nouging here for you guys.
43:35That's me yelling at a cloud. Farf and nouging.
43:37Yeah. That's a new, that's another tempered question. My God.
43:40Vop is more aerodynamic for the beer mile now.
43:42Thank you, Owen Davis. What do we do with this, man?
43:45Appreciate that. I'm Owen three. Is there still hope for me?
43:48I'm in a 10 person league. Realtor and Rick.
43:50Oh no. Realtor and Rick. I think that's real torrent.
43:53Real torrent Rick. Real torrent Rick. Realtor and Rick.
43:55Yes. There's still hope for me in a 10 team league.
43:58Stop using Mike Clay's rankings. Just use field and eyes.
44:01Didn't I just beat you by a hundred? I'm just going to use that all week while I can.
44:06Eddie B. Would you drop Drake May for Marcus Mario?
44:09That's a nice segue into our next segment. Yeah, let's do it.
44:12Still that question, unless we have more. Jaden Daniels not going on IR.
44:16He might be back in a week or two.
44:18He's going to practice this weekend. Yeah. So Mario, this isn't even a full season question, but yeah, you're right.
44:23We'll get into May soon. Gabe Maderis wants to know, would you guys pick up Keenan Allen after what he did last week?
44:29I mean, end of bench fine, but I'm not moving.
44:32Yeah. I just don't think you're going to want to start him.
44:35And he did this a couple of times last year and was very unproductive with a huge target year last season.
44:41It's hard for me to imagine that it's consistent in that Colts offense.
44:44So I forgot to mention earlier that I said, like there's one more quarterback.
44:48It kind of has my attention this week, even though I talked about it.
44:52It is Daniel Jones against the commander. Oh, okay.
44:54The commander's 11 passing touchdowns allowed so far this season.
44:57The problem is Daniel Jones has not passed the eye test, right?
45:00That's been a tough watch offensively. And Jonathan Taylor could easily.
45:03Jonathan Taylor is like the king of Europe games.
45:06Remember last year when he scored that touchdown in overtime against the Falcons, he had like 49 points or something.
45:11Yeah. The Colts are, I'm interested to see how they progress now because they did go toe to toe with the Chiefs.
45:17I mean, I was 32, 30, two weeks ago.
45:19And then they played the Texans who got a little back on track defensively.
45:23So kind of a fascinating team right there. All right, next segment.
45:26You're going to keep fishing or cut bait. We fishing for fantasy points still in our starting lineup where we cut in
45:32the bait, moving them to our bench guys. You guys are to be out in the water.
45:37I'm not. I love being out there on the boat.
45:39Daniel loves fishing. This is your new obsession. This is my new hobby.
45:43Yeah. Would rather be a hobby. Both. I've been in a long time, probably 30 years when I was a kid.
45:48Maybe I won't. No way. So you really don't fish.
45:51Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Been a very long time. Did you only, uh, I went fishing yesterday.
45:55On fishing? Did you really? Yeah. I went out when it was raining.
45:59Yeah. Oh my gosh. It was fantastic. I haven't gone down to the ocean yet.
46:03I only do lakes and rivers. There's a lot of coves around us.
46:06Yeah. A lot to do with soft plastics. A lot of jigging, you know, we live in this, you know, this area
46:12that's obviously so beautiful in so many ways, including that we have great saltwater fishing around us.
46:17There is. We got some nice brackish water down towards the shore.
46:20We get the saltwater and freshwater that meet and get some nice stripers up in there.
46:24I know all these words you're saying. Yeah, totally.
46:27Let's dive in my friends. Are we going to keep fishing for fantasy points with Drake May?
46:31Are we cutting bait, moving them to the bench?
46:34Yeah. So let's establish the premise here. You can sort of interpret fish or cut bait in a few different ways.
46:39We talked about this yesterday is it's like fishing means you're continuing to start the player.
46:44Correct. Cut bait. You can delineate between cutting the player from your roster or just putting them on the bench and finding
46:49a serviceable option to replace that player. So let's start with Drake May, who's been under 10 fantasy points and even each of his first three games.
46:57If you're looking for reasons for optimism for Drake May, let's start with the idea that like there is nowhere to go but up.
47:03That's good. Right. On top of that, the Patriot schedule will eventually let up a little.
47:07I wrote that down too. You can decide. Yeah.
47:10Well, you can decide whether the next two weeks against the bills and Raiders are good opportunities for Drake May or not
47:16good opportunities for Drake May, but more than anything, more than anything, you're talking about a player who last year nearly won
47:22the NFL MVP and was a top three fantasy quarterback.
47:24That is the reason why you are continuing to fish with Drake May.
47:28Can I give you one more positive? Yes. He's pacing for 465 rushing yards.
47:32He had 450 last year. Yeah. That's a good nugget right there.
47:35It is, but for until he really turns it on, it's a week to week conversation.
47:39Yeah. Agreed. Right. Like there will hopefully come a time where Drake May just populates in our rankings as quarterback, six quarterback,
47:45three quarterback, nine, and there's no questions asked. Right.
47:47But for now it is a, I have Drake May, like a Marcus Mariota versus Drake May conversation.
47:52Assuming Mariota starts this weekend. That to me is a real one.
47:55And I would be starting Marcus Mariota over Drake May.
47:58I know Mike's projection has that reversed, but Drake too talented to release from your roster at this point.
48:03Yeah. I'm not cutting, I'm not cutting him from my roster.
48:06I'm cutting bait on him as a starter for the time being, not playing him at Buffalo this week.
48:11I do. I'm not really afraid of the bills defense.
48:14I'm just afraid of how May is playing right now.
48:16It's just not good enough. So yeah, I'm looking forward to week seven.
48:20I think we got a month in here. Week seven.
48:23I know. And it's a ways away. I understand, but well, he can be on the bench and you're starting another streaming quarterback.
48:29Cutting baits a starter like Mike. Correct. They take on Chicago in week seven.
48:33Prior to that, I know it's Buffalo and then Las Vegas.
48:35Las Vegas, the Jets. I like, honestly, like those next, like there's a chance that Drake gets it going over these next four games.
48:42Yeah. And then they take on at Chicago who has, in theory, that is a defense that has had points put up against them.
48:48At Miami. The past two weeks. They have. Yeah.
48:51But we love at Miami and then Green Bay and then at Detroit.
48:54So having Miami and Detroit and two of the, you know, back to back there, that's going to be a spot where
49:00that's the time to make sure that he's ruled.
49:03People are going to cut him today when they do their waiver claims or overnight.
49:07Not, I would scoop them up. I would add him up.
49:09Make sure he's on your schedule gets thin right now.
49:12Yep. I'm sorry. It was fat. Now it's getting now in a good way.
49:16Yes. The proper, the proper thin. What about Bo Nix guys?
49:19Yeah. He's been really brackish. You know, I was, I was thinking that.
49:22What? He had a surprise 24 fantasy. He started.
49:25No, you didn't use it. Do you know what brackish, what do you think brackish means?
49:29I don't know. I just decided to use it.
49:31Brackish. Okay. That's all right. Yeah. What does it mean?
49:34It like, is it pertained to the saltiness of the water?
49:37Yes. Field. That's what I was going to say.
49:39Isn't it? Yeah. It's where fresh water and salt water meet and you have brackish water.
49:44So you get like a bunch of species that can live in both fresh water and salt water and then kind of like co-mingle.
49:50Oh, so when Bo Nix and Jalen Waddle met, they were not brackish.
49:54They were not. Bounce off each other. They were like reverse magnets.
49:57We made it guys. Oh, we made it. This is tricky for me.
50:00I'll let somebody else start because I want to hear your guys' perspective.
50:04Well, he's trending up. He went from five points in week one to 14 in week two to 24.1 last week.
50:09So that's good. I mean, last week he was good week three.
50:13So it's kind of good. Here's the bad thing.
50:15Two rushing yards, six rushing yards, seven rushing yards.
50:17That's not what like Bo Nix gave us value with this.
50:20I know we got in the end zone this last week.
50:23Doesn't it feel like that's 100% protecting the ankle from last year?
50:27That's what I'm wondering. Yeah. And, but you had imagined maybe he gets his feet under him and starts to run a
50:32little bit at some point, but we need it.
50:35So I agree. I was going to get to that.
50:38I agree. I mean, the passing numbers last week were really good.
50:41He had 288 yards and three total touchdowns. And one of them was a rushing touchdown actually.
50:45So, um, trending the right way, which gives me some confidence.
50:48I don't have him ranked as a starter this week as they're playing at San Francisco.
50:53Also their rest of season schedule is tough. So that gives me a little pause.
50:57I wonder if he can get back into the regular every week, sort of backend QB one status like he had last year.
51:03Um, but at the bottom line is if he's, if he can start running more and I mean, his supporting cast is
51:09better than it was the past few years. And he was QB seven, both of those seasons.
51:13So there's a few things much like Drake may that give me like, we've seen it.
51:17Sporting gas is better. We know we could run.
51:20Maybe at some point he turns it on. And again, he kind of did that without the rushing this past week, which gives me some optimism.
51:27Also, it's not game script, but the way that this unfortunately backfield that it's been very injured, they've had to rely on
51:33potentially not having their premier guys that they have wanted.
51:35We're onto, you know, second and third string guys now.
51:38So I wouldn't, I wouldn't move into my bench, I think, but I'm not cutting.
51:42I'm not cutting Bo Nix. I don't think last week makes him a QB one just because he scored 24 fantasy points.
51:48I need to see it again before he's a tier one.
51:51Cutting bait short term as a starter, but I have confidence.
51:54He'll get back into the back end QB one set.
51:57I like Drake may. I think it's very similar, but may his upside is higher.
52:01I want to unsubscribe from this next one. I'll handle it for you.
52:04Chadarian price for the Seahawks who has now fumbled in two or three games.
52:08He's been a non-factor in two of three games.
52:10I think this one can be relatively quick guys.
52:13I don't think any of us are cutting him from our roster.
52:16No way. First round pick, right? First round pick.
52:18And it plays a position that's very hard to find.
52:21But Chadarian price is cut bait as a starter for right now.
52:24We got to see him earn the trust back of this Seahawks staff.
52:28We got to see him go more than one game without a fumble.
52:31And we got to see when Zach Charbonnet returns, because while he's eligible to return as soon as week five, you know,
52:37he could potentially return in week 10. Like there's no guarantee that he is back as soon as he is eligible.
52:43So we can cut bait as a starter until further.
52:45Yeah. That was a risk with him. You draft him.
52:48You have to hope he cements a big role because Charbonnet is coming back at some point and he hasn't come close to that.
52:54Also guys, he has zero carries inside the five, two inside the opponent's 15 yard line.
52:59So he's not going to steal touchdowns either. So it's been, it's been rough.
53:02I agree with you. Bench player right now. Let's go to Jamie.
53:06Oh, sorry. Do you think that there's any value in a potential buy low with how bad he started that there will
53:11be value second half of the year? Or at this point, are you just guessing?
53:15Not if Charbonnet, unless Charbonnet's rolled out for the season.
53:18I have a hard time. Yeah. Yeah. I would agree.
53:21Like Zach Charbonnet is one of those guys who's far from a star, but he's so good at all the little things.
53:27It's a little bit. And this sounds weird because this sounds weird because this guy just put the ball on the ground
53:33recently, but it's a little bit of like that Ramondre Stevenson thing, right?
53:36Where Ramondre played every third down this past week for the Patriots.
53:39He started the game for the Patriots. These guys can't quit certain players.
53:43The Seahawks are that way with Zach Charbonnet. Jamo's up next.
53:46Do you want to, do you want to abstain from Jamo?
53:49No, I'm good with Jamo. Okay. I'm good with Jamo.
53:51I'm fishing. 10 catches. Fishing. If you told me that this is an offense, by the way, this offense has scored 30 points.
53:58You should watch the YouTube feed in case you're not.
54:00Every once in a while, we got some good stuff on here.
54:03That's the video of the alligator. Someone tries to throw him a carcass of some sort.
54:08The alligator misses it and then just falls into the water.
54:11Jamison Williams. This is part of, unfortunately what you get when you draft Jamison Williams field.
54:15You already talked about this. This offense has scored 30 points in every single week.
54:19This season, he is on the field. Non-stop. The first three weeks have not worked out.
54:23He is a guy I would buy low on if someone was really freaking out about it, because I think he is still going to get more utilized.
54:31Just hasn't worked the three weeks. I am fishing still.
54:33You guys know how this works by the way, right?
54:36If you're the person that cuts Jamison Williams, you cut him and he immediately scores 20.
54:40That's the week that he does it. So if somebody wants to take it upon themselves to handle the cutting, we will gladly benefit.
54:47Yes. From the Jamison. Someone's got to do it for us.
54:50I play in a league that has some rewards for big plays, like 30, 40 plus yard catches, 100 plus yard games, long touchdowns.
54:56And I made Jamo a little bit of a target in that league because I was like, you know, even if he
55:02has 60 catches this year, there's a chance that 12 of his 60 catches go for 40 plus yards.
55:07That would be amazing in this league. Has it worked out so far?
55:11Not yet. Keeping the faith. I agree. Fish here.
55:13Just remember this. Last season, around this time, we were having the same conversation.
55:17He had single digit fantasy points in four of his first guy, four of his first five and five of his first six last year.
55:23Wow. And then when obviously Sam Laporta got hurt, which changed things, but it's not like it was just the second half of last year.
55:30He's been over a thousand yards, two straight seasons.
55:33Now he's a big part of this lion's offense.
55:35The schedule. Also, we've talked about this. We talked about it a lot in the off season.
55:40The lions have arguably the easiest remaining schedule this season.
55:42That does not really include this week. The Panthers have actually allowed the fewest fantasy points to receivers so far, but it
55:48looks good the rest of the year. So a lot of reason for optimism.
55:52I agree. I'm keeping the fish here. Easy schedule and the defense is awful.
55:56It feels like they're going to have to score 30 points every single week.
55:59So it's, it will be hard to imagine this not happening at some point.
56:03Agreed. Cortland Sutton is next. Cortland Sutton has been disappointed for this Denver offense.
56:07He has a total of eight catches through three games.
56:09He has wide receiver 73 on this season. He's been Bo Nix, right?
56:13This isn't Cortland Sutton. He's been Bo Nix. I got to be honest with you.
56:17I think we're fine to cut bait from your roster here.
56:20You think so? I'm not going to go that far.
56:23You could bench him, but I think if you have somebody that you really need to add this week, you get a quarterback pinch.
56:29Like I'm okay with it. This offense just has too many pieces.
56:32If we can hardly get Jalen Waddle going, am I really expecting Cortland Sutton to get going week in and week out?
56:38Five targets, four targets, seven targets. Yeah. Much like Bo Nix though.
56:41Obviously same team here. He did make strides this past week.
56:44That gives me some optimism. He had a 23% target share in this game.
56:48That's where he was last year. He's at 18% for this season.
56:51So it was a 0.40 at seven targets, only turned into 46 yards, but also he's third at receiver with three end zone targets so far too.
56:58So he's still getting that goal line work. That's been a big part of his game so far this season.
57:04So I'm not, I agree with you. I don't want to start him right now.
57:08I'm going to have him down around 40 this week.
57:11So a borderline flex option, 12 teamers, but I'm not going to come from my roster just yet.
57:15He's too good to him. By the way, one more, sorry, one more thing.
57:19No, no, you go. Like leading into the season, all the reports were just like about how this guy is.
57:24And I hate to use this term, best shape of his life.
57:28So I feel like he was primed for another big season.
57:31So I think the team knows that like, they're going to keep them involved.
57:34He's such an important part of the offense. And I know I just saw there was a, we had a tweet up there.
57:41It was like the quarterback loves Pat Bryant. He had two targets last week.
57:44Like they were still trying to get it to Sutton and Waddle.
57:47I think they'll be okay. This is part of the Sean Payton experience though, is sometimes the ball gets spread around to a little bit of everybody.
57:55If you were in a situation, you want to keep him.
57:58You said that you'd be okay moving on. I'm just curious.
58:01Was there anybody off of the waiver wire this week that you feel like if you were in a quarterback pinch or
58:06would Kenyon Sadiq be someone that you think long-term you'd rather have given the tight end position?
58:11It's such a bad week for waiters. Zach Charbonnet.
58:13It feels weird to say. I know. That's why Cortland Sutton, but I think quarterback pinch would be where I'm.
58:19Quarterback would be where it's at. Yes. Okay. I don't know what the upside for Cortland Sutton will be right now.
58:24Cause I haven't seen it. Well, he definitely is going to fall into the category of every time you think, you know, which week to play him.
58:32It's the wrong one. He duds and the opposite.
58:34What about Kyle Pitts? Cause it's been nothing but duds for him guys.
58:38This one is wild. Do you want me to read his stat lines first?
58:41Just so we can talk about how it's true.
58:44Go ahead. Was, is it zero? Yeah. I mean, if you were a doubter on Kyle Pitts, like even your best guess
58:50on how bad it would be was better than this.
58:52I mean, week one, one target, no catches week to three targets, one catch for 15 yards last week, two targets, one catch for five yards.
58:59Uh, I mean, and that was with Michael Penix back.
59:02How'd Drake Glendon do in that game? How'd Robinson do in that game?
59:05Very good. Kyle Pitts, nothing guys. Here's the big concern for me last year, 88% of the snaps this year, 54%.
59:11Last year, 90% route participation this year, 66 last year, 23% target share this year.
59:158%. Uh, what? Why? Why? Why? No, it happened.
59:17Like, why is he not playing? Here's a reason.
59:20Someone else is getting all these targets. The only reason for hope is in Hooper.
59:24So what's your official declaration? Uh, cut bait as a starter.
59:27I mean, you, it's certainly droppable. I mean, we've seen him dropped in several leagues already.
59:31definitely. He's already been dropped. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, he's on waivers in our, uh, knockout league.
59:36I mean, yeah. Um, so the, the, the reason for optimism is that at least Michael Penix Jr.
59:40looked pretty darn good last week, you know, and maybe he doesn't totally saturate Drake London with targets this, like the rest of the season.
59:47I, I'm trying to make a flimsy case here.
59:50So I, I think at least cut bait to the bench, but I agree.
59:53And they don't have like a clear cut number two receiver.
59:56Nobody worried about. So it's barely a factor. No doubt.
59:59So I'm don't get me wrong. I think there's a chance he can get back into the top 12, top 10 conversation,
60:05but right now, is he a must roster? No, I mean, again, we're even the 10 team show league, FFC league.
60:10He was on waivers. All he was on a free agent to pick up all asking.
60:15Nobody touched him. Right. I hear Sunday and no one picked them up.
60:18And I hear you. So, uh, and 12, obviously they played Thursday, but no one picked them up leading into that game.
60:24So right now he's not startable. He's borderline rosterable.
60:26I'm going to ask, I'm going to keep asking you guys, cause it's this week.
60:31I know it's a bad week. Would you rather have Kenyon Sadiq on your roster than Kyle Pitts?
60:35Yeah. Uh, yes. Yeah. It's hard to believe, but it's a conversation, but if he, if he's out there, you'd rather have, okay.
60:41I love that. Quincy on Judkins, Mike, you've been trying to roll with this dude.
60:45I thought last week, last week, I said it had to happen in that game at home against Carolina and it didn't happen.
60:52Six straight games now under 11 fantasy points going back to last year.
60:55He's averaging 3.0 yards per carry has caught all nine of his targets, but only 53 yards.
61:00He hasn't found the end zone 20 touches last week.
61:02You love that. You got to keep that guy rostered, but he only had 79 yards.
61:07And this is really concerning. This has to change or he's not going anywhere.
61:10He's not going to be startable anywhere close to startable all season.
61:14One carry inside the 10. Can't have it. He's a big running back.
61:17He doesn't do a ton in the passing. He has to get touchdown opportunities.
61:21If there's a potential saving grace, it's not the old line, which has been struggling, but it is the fact that the
61:27offense has been better than we thought. It's at least competent.
61:30Maybe he can get rolling, but for now, uh, he is a borderline RB to probably more of a flex option, but
61:36I'm, you could, I don't, I don't know how to word this because he's the answer is fish.
61:40Fish in terms of borderline RB, but I don't feel great about starting him.
61:44It's, this is a close one. I mean, he's better than so many, like the names we've talked about so far, you
61:50know, like that's, he's still more valuable than like Kyle Pitts or Jadari.
61:53Well, Bo Nix, you know, like I think to me, Quinchon Judkins is a fish.
61:58Just, it may not happen the way that we hope to happen this year.
62:01There's no way that I am. If I drafted Quinchon Judkins, unless I drafted him as my, he's a pretty good.
62:07Unless I, I, he's my RB three or four for some reason.
62:10Like I, I'm with you. I still got to keep fishing.
62:13Yeah. I mean, FFC, I have Gibbs, Hubbard, Jeremiah Love, and Judkins.
62:16And like Judkins was supposed to be a starter for that team.
62:19Like I, he's going to be drafting. Yeah. Like 10 team leagues.
62:23So you're going to, I mean, I got, I guess I got a little lucky with the Hubbard.
62:27Yeah. You want a cookie for that? Those are four really good running backs.
62:31I was just reminding you that I beat me really bad.
62:34A hundred fantasy points. Last one here, guys, Kenny Gainwell.
62:37Part of this was around the idea that Bucky Irving might not play.
62:40Then Todd Bowles was like, Bucky Irving's not on the injury report.
62:44So if Bucky Irving's not on the injury report.
62:46Here's what I would say. I'm, I am cutting bait to the bench.
62:49Yes. And the reason why I say that is even though Bucky is not going to be on the injury report, Bucky's got a history of going down.
62:57And so I am holding on Kenny Gainwell on my bench.
63:00Yeah. Terrific insurance back. He was awesome last year.
63:02Yeah. And you know, it's wild. His snap share in Pittsburgh last year was 50%.
63:06You know what it is this year? 50? 44%.
63:09It's not far off from playing. He's just not getting the touch.
63:12It's not giving him the football. At all. Yeah.
63:14It doesn't make sense. He's such a good football player.
63:17I wish he would be on the field more often.
63:20Guys, this is a fun show. Dude, are you okay, man?
63:23Like you got your fricking leg waxed. It hurt real bad.
63:26Hurt real bad. I truly thought after one strip, it'd be like, okay, wrap it up.
63:30Time to go on. No, I thought it was too.
63:33And then Christina was like, Oh no, Daniel, we have a lot of these to get through, which was very fun.
63:38Shout out to Christina. Are you guys cool? Shout out to Zach.
63:41No, the video came out great. Thank you for that.
63:44Very talented video team. And Mama Dobb. It's been a blast.
63:47Now I get to figure out what I get to do for the next one, guys.
63:51Thanks for hanging out with us today. Come back tomorrow.
63:54We're going to dive into the week four rankings.
63:56It's going to be a ton of fun as well.
63:59We love you guys. Don't forget to love each other and be kind to yourself.
64:03You deserve it. We'll see you tomorrow. You're in the 06010.