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0:43What's up friends? Welcome into Fantasy Focus Football alongside Mike Clay, Liz Loza, Field Yates.
0:47My name is Daniel Dopp. And if you are joining us today after watching us for four hours last night on the
0:53Fantasy Football Marathon, you're a sicko and we love you.
0:56Yeah. Because we did four straight hours of TV last night.
0:59We are a little bit loopy, but it's just the beginning of the Fantasy Marathon as we have even more fantasy content for you today.
1:05All throughout the entire network, over a million teams drafted, Field Yates.
1:08It's very exciting. Going to be very fun to be able to keep on going here with the marathon.
1:13On today's show, we're going to be diving into Mike Clay's best picks at each round.
1:18You had an article. Just came out on .com.
1:20Go check it out as well. But we wanted to dive into it as well.
1:24The best pick from every single round. And that's really it.
1:27We're just doing that the entire show. We're going to take some questions for you guys, as we always do.
1:32But let's start at the top, as we often do with some news, guys, because the Texans said, give me that booty.
1:38Girl. Kayshawn booty, guys. Do we need to have a conversation with Dan?
1:41This isn't, it's not like 10 p.m. Eastern anymore, man.
1:44It's the morning, okay? You guys, when you guys talk about booty cheeks, you do it the wrong way.
1:49I'm trying to do it the right way. The Texans were pumped about getting Kayshawn booty.
1:53For those that might be watching the show right now, and they're saying, like, feel like, why are you so dressed up?
1:59You're wearing a suit and tie right now. For those that are watching.
2:02Well, thank you, Mike. That's kind of you to say.
2:05But the reason why I'm wearing a suit and tie right now is to compensate for the fact that Daniel was nearly naked last night.
2:11That's true. That's true. Daniel and Dan Graziano during Only Dance were barely clothed in a sauna.
2:16Eyeful. That segment was taped before our show for obvious reasons.
2:19Yes. And so I didn't see it until it ran live.
2:22Oh, my gosh. And I almost couldn't believe what I was seeing.
2:25My wife texted me and was concerned that all of America was watching that.
2:28I thought you were saying she was like, ooh la la.
2:31No, no. All right. Yeah. My four kids were watching it.
2:34Yes. I had to cut off the TV. Someone had to do some explaining after that segment.
2:39Yeah. That was great. Thank you. I appreciate it, Liz.
2:41Thank you. I love it. Thank you. I was going to say, rating spiked in the female demographic last night, ages 18 to 49 during this segment.
2:48That's the Only Dance segment. Yeah. So yeah, this case on booty trade is interesting.
2:52Do we think it has fantasy relevance? Like, we thought that Jaden Higgins was a potential late round sleeper.
2:57Maybe he takes over that role. For the Texans.
3:00And he, yeah, presumably takes on the Jaden Higgins role.
3:02Do you guys think Kayshawn Booty is a better player than Jaden Higgins?
3:06About the same level of prospect? Different player. Maybe a little worse?
3:09It's a different skill set, I think. Okay. So it's all like, I don't think any of our conviction on Kayshawn Booty
3:15is enough for us to be like, Kayshawn Booty goes to the Texans.
3:18What a landing spot for him. Nope. He now bumps up to wide receiver 42.
3:22Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I would agree. I thought Higgins had a chance to kind of lock in that two job in the
3:28Houston offense and maybe be on the flex radar.
3:30I think with Booty, more of a rotation there with some Jalen Noel's there and Tank Dell is going to be worked in.
3:36I think even Xavier Hutchinson is going to run routes.
3:39I don't think there's enough there for Booty to be on the fantasy radar, much like was the case in New England.
3:45Yeah. I just don't think the usage is going to be that consistent.
3:48Yeah. Yeah. Inconsistent. Yeah, I would say. Mike, you and I were talking last night.
3:52Unfortunately, Cardinals cut Trey Benson. And many dynasty squads were so bummed when all the Jeremiah Love stuff happened.
3:57Now it's even worse at this point. You think Trey Benson goes to another squad?
4:01We'll see. So just one technicality worth noting is that he was waived injured, which he's banged up to the point that
4:07if he clears waivers and a team that will be acquiring him understands that he is currently not able to pass a
4:13physical, that if he clears waivers, he would just go back to the Arizona Cardinals roster and go on IR.
4:18Okay. Yeah. But of course, if there's a more straightforward path for him to go to IR, which is the Cardinals just
4:24place him on IR, which didn't happen, which my takeaway from that is it's probably not something significant.
4:28But we'll see whether it's not common that teams claim injured players, but we shall see here.
4:33He is a really, really talented guy. I still believe that.
4:36I don't exactly know why it hasn't worked out at all in Arizona.
4:39Yeah. And well, health has been a big part of it.
4:42Every time he seems to get an opportunity, he's been hurt.
4:45But by the way, to your point, if he does clear waivers and go to IR, probably an injury settlement situation.
4:50And then he'll be a free agent and consigned elsewhere.
4:53That would be my expectation here. If he's not claimed, some team might with running back depth issues may just claim him
4:59today and we'll see how the physical goes. But it only emboldens the fact that Arizona's backfield is going to be Jeremiah Love, obviously.
5:05James Conner's going to be a Cardinal. You think so?
5:08Yes. Okay. I just don't think, you know, you can't thin the backfield down by two.
5:12Well, Bam Knight, they like him. I think James Conner would take maybe an offer that Arizona couldn't refuse.
5:17I don't know who's making that offer for a veteran running back at this point of his career.
5:22We've talked about this before. We've used this phrase.
5:24I think James Conner is too much of a heart and soul player.
5:27For Arizona to move on from him lightly. Now, you might ask, well, why are they signing Tyler Algier and drafting Jeremiah Love?
5:33You can be a heart and soul player and also not be, you know, a starter or a guy that plays a gigantic role.
5:40Yeah. Udonis hasn't played for like nine years for the heat after he actually was logging minutes for that.
5:45I think Gus Edwards is another good example of that.
5:47Gus Edwards. He's a glue guy. Yep. Yep. So I get it.
5:51But like Gus Edwards had a role. I can't imagine Conner has a role here.
5:54I really just don't think so. Maybe a couple of times.
5:57Maybe I'm way off. Like if it's his last year, is he going to want to be like, I'm cool.
6:03Just not playing snaps or special teams. Just like chilling out in the sideline.
6:06I mean, personal conviction. You're exactly right. But I don't know.
6:09I think like it's out of respect for him.
6:12Like let's give him an opportunity. There's teams out there that need running back help.
6:16Maybe I'm wrong. Yeah. I don't know. We'll see.
6:18I want to ask you guys about the Patriots because this is the time of year now because drafts are literally right
6:24around the corner where we start to kind of overanalyze some of the injury tweaks that we hear on and off the field.
6:30Travion Henderson with a little bit of an ankle thing, it sounds like.
6:33Anything that made you guys feel like this is going to change the way I'm approaching him in drafts or just something to monitor?
6:39I would say if you're looking for good news on Travion Henderson, I'm interpreting it that way, is that we haven't heard
6:45any follow-up reporting, which this was a tweet yesterday from the incomparable Mike Reese about Travion Henderson, who didn't finish practice for the Patriots.
6:52That was, I don't know, 16, 18 hours ago.
6:54The fact that we haven't had a subsequent follow-up report that's like, hey, Travion Henderson has a high ankle sprain.
6:59He's going to miss X number of weeks to me is probably a positive indication.
7:03Sure. I practiced today at 2.30, so we'll have a little more clarity about whether Travion Henderson is available.
7:08I would say, though, I don't feel like, I just don't think Ramondre Stevenson is going to be some fantasy game changer
7:14unless Travion's off the field and the early indications are not serious.
7:17I'm still treating Ramondre as just a usable flex.
7:19Fair. I'd agree. My larger concern is just all of the negative Henderson reports, just the fact that Stevenson is better than him at everything.
7:26I mean, that's the larger concern, but at the end of the day, they're both going to play and this is an
7:32offense that is a little bit of a tougher schedule than they did last year.
7:36Yeah. There's better receivers. They're going to use them more often.
7:39I'm just not sure they can run this thing through the running backs like they did for a big chunk of last season.
7:45So I'm avoiding, for the most part, both of those guys.
7:47Maybe Stevenson, if he falls far enough, because he could flirt with that with the flex radar, but Henderson at his ADP is still out of control.
7:55Like he's just untouchable right now. Yeah. It got out of control last year.
7:58We unfortunately fell for it. A lot of us did and we did not have it materialized.
8:03Still feels like it's too high. He did have moments last year.
8:06This year, I don't know if he's going to play 10 snaps in week one at this point.
8:11I think the issue is that he had so many of those moments and they were so highlight worthy that we can't quit him.
8:17Right. We know that the big play potential is there.
8:20It's been validated on the field. But Stevenson, to your point, I think most specifically is just a better pass protector.
8:25So he's going to be on the field more.
8:27And obviously the Patriots number one objective is keeping Drake May protected.
8:31Yep. Travion Henderson had three huge, huge games last year.
8:33If you take away those three, and I don't want to take them away, but if you take away those three games,
8:39Stevenson is out for two of them. So just worth noting.
8:42He averaged under nine fantasy points if you take out those major games that he had.
8:46So he's still trying to figure out his role within this offense.
8:49And Ramondre Stevenson, as we've been saying the entire offseason, isn't going to go away.
8:53Travion Henderson last year reminds me of my golf game because I basically stink at golf.
8:57Okay. I'm just, you know, unfortunately the lack of, or the amount of effort has not equated to the amount of progress that I hope is fair.
9:04Welcome to the club. That was funny, Mike. I did that on purpose.
9:08On Mike. But man alive, is there a feeling when you make that rare birdie where you're like, gosh, I could be good at this game.
9:15I could be good at this game. And so last year I waited all season for Travion to have a real role.
9:21And then for Travion to turn that real role into something.
9:23Thursday night football against the Jets, three touchdowns. We are so back, baby.
9:27There's no way the Patriots can ever get Remondre Stevenson back into the fold.
9:30He goes to Tampa Bay. He runs for two touchdowns.
9:33Each of them was like 60 yards. How can you keep this guy off the field?
9:37And then eventually Remondre Stevenson gets healthy and he goes back to being completely useless for fantasy purposes.
9:42It's like me, you know, I have a birdie and then I followed up with a triple bogey.
9:47It's what I do. Yeah. So he is my golf game player.
9:50I love that. And I hope that changes in 2020.
9:53That is such a great analogy, Field Jets. All right.
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11:45But first, we're going to dive into Mike's best players from every single round.
11:49Love this piece. Mike, give me a little bit of context here.
11:52You're going to be in a 12-team league with this.
11:55So that's the ADP that we're going off of.
11:57Yeah, you can use it for obviously for a bunch of different formats, but I kind of lean toward 12-team PPR formats, which is roughly our default.
12:04And I use ADP, like the most recent ADP across the industry.
12:07So it can kind of help everyone. It's not just ESPN.
12:10It kind of gives you a good idea of where the industry is.
12:14And then I pick my favorite values from each of those rounds.
12:17Our ADP is available, obviously, on the fantasy site.
12:19You can head to .com and find the ESPN live draft trends.
12:22When you are grabbing this, just for people to know for their own context, where are you getting your industry ADP before we go ahead?
12:29Our friends at DraftSharks have an excellent ADP tool.
12:31You can look at all the different sites, formats.
12:34Those guys do an awesome job at that. I worked with them a little bit to hear some suggestions, the things that can make it super usable.
12:41So it's a great feature. Love that. All right, let's dive in with round one, Mike.
12:45Let's do it. Liz has some questions first. If the ADP you're using is industry ADP, it might be a bit, let's
12:51say, sharper, quote unquote, which could allow ESPN users to find some considerable value.
12:54Because like in ours, for example, if we have, let's just say, I'll use a real example, Mike Evans, lower in our rankings.
13:00He's probably his ADP because of auto drafts and such.
13:03He's going to go later in our drafts. But on other sites, he might go higher.
13:07So obviously, if I'm drafting at ESPN, I might actually pick him if he falls far enough.
13:12But anywhere else or drafting in my neighborhood, there's no way I'm ever going to take Mike Evans in the fifth round.
13:18It's a good contextualization. Yep. All right, let's dive in.
13:20Round one, Mike. You're going to bring a bunch of names to the table.
13:24We won't be able to talk about everyone. We just want to give as big of a conversation around this as we can.
13:30Yeah, it's just what I'm thinking each round as we roll through what's available, that kind of thing.
13:35So for each round, I kind of pick my favorite target.
13:38For round one, as always, that's kind of impossible because it depends where you're drafting in round one.
13:42So I kind of hate doing that because I want to put my favorite target.
13:46But the reality is it just depends. So yeah, give me like Jameer Gibbs one overall, but I might not get that pick.
13:52So obviously, first two picks, Jameer Gibbs, Bajon Robinson.
13:55We've talked to that. We've talked about that endlessly.
13:57If I can get one of them two guys, I'm happy.
14:00If not, you have Christian McCaffrey or Jonathan Taylor in the middle of the first round, which are running back options.
14:05And later in that round, Jamar Chase, Puka Nakua, JSN, Amanra, CeeDee Lamb, Justin Jefferson, all of those guys.
14:10So again, I'm just taking the best guy from my overall top 10 or top 10, top 12, whatever it may be.
14:16The round one's pretty straightforward to me. Feels really chalky.
14:19And at that point, it's like who falls to me that I think is just the best player that's available on the board.
14:25You haven't even set up your roster so you can build around them.
14:28I'm with you on that, Mike. Let's move ahead because we talk a lot about the round one guys.
14:33That's the easy one. Yeah, easy one. All right, let's do it.
14:36Round two. Let's keep on moving. All right. Round two for me is a guy.
14:40And again, this is tricky because if I'm picking at the beginning of the first round, I won't get him, but if
14:46I'm picking toward the end of the first round, I can actually get him in round two.
14:51Now he has fallen. It's Devon Achan. Again, not afraid to take him late in the first.
14:55He's the 10th overall player on my board. But if you can get him in round two, you do that.
15:00We've we've picked him apart. Obviously, this offense might be one of the lowest scoring offenses in the NFL.
15:05Lots going to be determined by how well Malik Willis plays.
15:08But as far as I'm concerned, this is one of the best running backs in the NFL.
15:13He leads the NFL in yards per carry since he was drafted.
15:16We can he can do it as a pass catcher, as a rusher.
15:19And we know what Jeff Halfley, his new head coach said, they're going to he's going to have to drag him off
15:25the field each week because he's going to get the rock a ton.
15:28Even if they don't score a lot, if this guy's getting 20, 25 touches a week, he's going to be outstanding in fantasy.
15:34So if I can get him early round two, that is my guy.
15:38I made this point last night during the marathon.
15:40I think it's worth reiterating. It's like a little bit more nuanced than I think some of some of the conversations we
15:46have about player and fantasy value now is I understand the concerns about this offense offense being bad and it might well be bad.
15:52I do think they're going to be able to run the football.
15:55They ran the football effectively with Devon H and last season is a matter of fact, since he entered the league, he
16:01has three thousand and fifty seven rushing yards. That's three seasons for Devon H and that's nearly 200 more rushing yards than
16:07Christian McCaffrey in that same span on 89 fewer carries.
16:10But this team invested in the running game this offseason.
16:12They drafted Caden Proctor 12th overall out of Alabama.
16:15And while you can nitpick portions of his game, he is a massive people mover in the running game.
16:20That's where he's going to be at his best in the NFL.
16:23He's going to play guard for them. And then a lot of blocking tight end analysis, baby.
16:27Will Kazmieric, third round pick out of Ohio State, who was the best blocking tight end by a mile in this year's draft class.
16:34We talk about running games are impacted in a positive way by like a great fullback or great blocking tight end as Merrick's going to help as well.
16:41So I have confidence that you're going to see a really solid rushing year from Devon H.
16:45And I love this take that field is bringing up because I think a lot of the blocking talk that you're discussing
16:51is there to offset the argument that there will be many boxes loaded, obviously, without field stretchers on the field for Devon H and against him.
16:58But last season, I also said this on the marathon and believe it, believe it bears reiterating he 23 percent of a
17:04chance carries came against loaded boxes last season. And he still was the RB to and yards per touch at six point.
17:10Oh, so we know he can get them, right?
17:12He had the number one explosive rating at the position last season.
17:15So it's not like this isn't a position that he's been in and succeeded in before.
17:19Sure. If they can find a way to be able to utilize the dual threat quarterback.
17:24I mean, we knew that Tua was never going to scramble out of the pocket.
17:27Maybe that can be another way for him to be able to have a few more open lanes as well.
17:33By the way, don't forget, like you would say Devon H.
17:36M was pretty darn good at fantasy last year, right?
17:38He was very good at fantasy last year. Would you say the Dolphins offense was good last year?
17:43No, they were terrible. They were like they were last in plays per game.
17:47They were outside the top 20 in touchdown. So maybe a little worse than that, but it was already bad last year and he was outstanding.
17:53He's falling to the back of the second or the beginning of the second round.
17:57So you get more value than you would have.
18:00The only narrative that I feel like we all keep coming back to is there's a rushing quarterback that maybe doesn't dump
18:06the ball off enough, but if Malik Willis can just do that.
18:09That one I think is most fair. Yeah. I think it's fair, but also they're going to actually, it's not going to be just dump offs.
18:16They're going to design. They'll have to. They have to.
18:18And you made the point field too about this team needing to play catch up because they're probably not going to be ahead often.
18:24Very rarely. Yes. Very rarely. Yes, indeed. Mike, let's keep moving.
18:27That was round two. Give me your round three favorites.
18:30All right. Round three for me. Hold on. Hold on.
18:33Is the stat, the last nine running backs drafted inside top 12 in the NFL draft also finished as top 12 in fantasy football.
18:39As a rookie. Yes. Yes. Okay. Got it. I'm finally getting in your head before.
18:43That's amazing. There's a lot of numbers and qualifiers to work through, but you got there.
18:47I mean, there's three. There's three numbers. Nine, 12, 12.
18:50Yes. As a rookie. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Well, we got there.
18:53So anyway, end of analysis, I guess. No, look, I got it.
18:56Don't worry, Mike. His look, his ADP has fallen a little bit because he's, we'll say questionable for week one.
19:01It sounds like it's trending in a positive direction.
19:03The bottom line for me is I don't care if we start slow.
19:07The guy has the potential to be a league winner.
19:09I love the talent. I feel like this time next year, we're sitting here.
19:13We're going to be like Jeremiah love. Yeah. I'm thinking about him like fifth overall in the draft.
19:18Like he, the guy is going to be the next superstar in fantasy and we're getting him in the third round right now.
19:24So I'm in on him. And what I really love too is come fantasy playoff time.
19:28That schedule looks pretty darn good for the Cardinals.
19:30This is a potential league winner. So as he continues to fall in drafts, I'm going to keep pouncing on Jeremiah love.
19:36This is a hilarious tweet, by the way, Jeremiah love might be the, in all capital letters, most explosive player on the Cardinals roster.
19:43Who else would be in the conversation for that?
19:45Right? Like who else are we considering? Love has reportedly quote stood out as RB one.
19:49And is that right? He went third overall. I had no idea.
19:52Track with what a running back third overall goes.
19:55His footwork and burst have reportedly blown away those in attendance.
19:57So, um, yeah, what is that? I'll tell you what.
20:00This is a new world of social media. Yeah.
20:02Last year with Ashton Gentry, it was a bad team.
20:05We were worried about the offense, but we were still in on the talent.
20:09We were still in on the kid. And because of that, we took him quite a bit higher.
20:14We never want to root for injuries, but Mike, you talked about how this high ankle sprain actually pushes him down the
20:19board, maybe to a more appropriate spot to be drafted right now in this year's draft.
20:24I'm fine. I'll take the discount. I liked him where he was going initially, which was still too low.
20:29Now it's even lower. To be honest, your entire third round is full of red flags.
20:33You got Malik neighbors, Rashi Rice is guys that you're happy with.
20:36And later in the round, you got Brees Hall and Josh Jacobs.
20:39Those are some red or yellow flag players there in the fourth round.
20:42All guys that would be going earlier though, if they were a hundred percent, if we had no question mark.
20:48So yeah, I'm taking discounts on potential. I'm taking the discount on potential league winners here.
20:52I like that. I like that call. All right.
20:54Fourth round. Keep it moving. All right. Fourth round.
20:57Speaking of red flags, how about a jet? Garrett Wilson.
20:59I love Garrett Wilson. I continue to be stunned that he's available in the fourth round.
21:03He actually, I think, did you take him yesterday in the mock or you went in the third round, I think of
21:09our 12 team or yesterday, but I can't remember who took him.
21:12But anyway, went a little earlier here in an ESPN staff mock, but generally he goes in the fourth round.
21:18We're getting a discount on this guy as well.
21:20After he was injured last season. Remember, this is not a guy that has injury red flags.
21:24His first three years in the NFL missed zero games was very healthy.
21:28Was top six at receiver and targets all of those seasons.
21:31And I pointed this out about the quarterback situation field.
21:33I know you're worried that maybe they may change at some point, but you know, Smith during his time in Seattle, a three year stint.
21:40And again, there was just one year with the Raiders.
21:43Bauer was, wasn't healthy. The receivers weren't good. It was kind of a mess there, but his three years in Seattle, they were top 10 in passing yards.
21:50They were top 10 in wide receiver fantasy points.
21:52DK Metcalf, Tyler Lockett, JSN. They all had top 16 fantasy campaigns during that stretch.
21:56Garrett Wilson is going to be the clear feature target in this offense.
22:00And I think the fourth round is a great place to pounce on who I think is one of the best talents at receiver in the NFL.
22:07Incredibly talented, worth every penny. The Jets are now paying him.
22:10It just comes down to my concerns over the quarterback.
22:12I'm not as sold as you are on Geno Smith.
22:15And Garrett Wilson has had a lot of time with bad quarterbacks and has produced okay, but not spectacular fantasy seasons.
22:20He has 18 touchdowns in four years, 18. His career high is seven in a single season.
22:25His career high in receiving yards is 1105. This is not a guy who's pushed past 1200, 1300 yards.
22:30And he averages under 12 yards per catch, probably because the Jets offense has just been so dysfunctional that they can't create opportunities down the field.
22:37You got guys like Zay Flowers are averaging over 14 yards a catch last season.
22:41Ted Arone McMillan drafted in that same territory. He had seven touchdowns as a rookie.
22:45I just think there are better values than Garrett Wilson.
22:47I, he was, we did a segment last night on play on the red flags and guys who were not drafting.
22:53He was my red flag guy, Garrett Wilson. I've just like, I've, I've, I've, we, he and I are on good terms
22:59personally, but from a fantasy perspective, just not drafting.
23:01For what it's worth, you're three spots lower. So we're not that far off on him.
23:05But at this point in the draft, those kind of those spots can matter.
23:09You do have other good options. If I'm not going Garrett Wilson, I like Cam Scadaboo here, although he's falling a little bit now, which is nice.
23:16If you get him in the fifth round, Quinn Sean Judkins, if I want to go running back, that's like the end of the running back tier here.
23:23So I'm definitely not afraid to take a running back, especially if I only have one so far, but also Teddero McMillan,
23:29Mecca Buka, those guys are available in the fourth round as well.
23:32We haven't had a lot of Teddero McMillan talk so far on the show this year.
23:36Is this one of those situations where like, we know that the kid is good.
23:40We feel good about the talent, but what is there to say about Bryce Young when we're not sure what his quarterback
23:46is going to be and what the ceiling on his game is?
23:49Cause the Mecca Buka going right next to him.
23:52I kind of feel like we got a vision of what that ceiling could be last year.
23:56I don't think we really saw it with Teddero McMillan.
23:59We just haven't had as much conversation around him this year.
24:02Yeah. He's it's a small sample size. It's a bit of a leap of faith.
24:06I mean, for a player that had one 20 plus point game last year, Teddero McMillan, we're talking about him as a
24:11potential top 13, 14, 15 wide receiver. That's a big gap for him to close this upcoming season.
24:16Well, I think the also question is, do we think that Bryce Young will be any better?
24:21Is there any improvement this year? Because McMillan did average over seven targets per game.
24:24So we do like that volume. Love that. Obviously it was a wide receiver 20, I believe in fantasy points per game as well.
24:31That's wild. I mean, McMillan kind of easily outscored a Buka last year in fantasy points.
24:35But to your point, like a Buka had the ceiling.
24:38Yes. Big games early on in the year. Teddero McMillan had one top 10, but had a much higher floor throughout the year.
24:44It was more consistent because he was just racking up a big target share, targets, catches, all of that.
24:49But you're right. You I feel like a Buka ceiling is higher because of Bryce Young.
24:53Like, I just don't know if he's going to get McMillan to the next level.
24:57But at the end of the day, the guy was so good.
25:00He looked apart as a rookie, did McMillan, and you would expect a year or two.
25:04And we're excited about the potential of a healthy Baker Mayfield.
25:07Yeah, that'll help for a major. Also, you know, wants to get paid.
25:10Motivator. Yeah. Both of those guys are fine in this range.
25:13I'd love to have a conversation with like a very level headed Panthers fan about like what you're feeling is about Bryce Young.
25:19Right. Like fan fanatic. Like, of course, the people that bleed Carolina blue are going to be like, yeah, he's awesome.
25:25You know, we've got our we've got ourselves a quarterback and I appreciate that sentiment.
25:29I don't really know. He's going into year five and I don't have an answer.
25:33But if you ask me where Bryce Young ranks amongst current NFL starting quarterbacks, this is year five.
25:38I'd give you a sliding scale. Yeah. Him and CJ's trap, the two quarterbacks that are quite mysteries to me right now.
25:43Yeah, it's interesting because a lot of those. Maybe it's your is it year five or year four for Bryce Young.
25:49I apologize. It is year four, isn't it? Well, regardless, like either way, that's a lot of years.
25:54A lot of those guys that were like drafted early, including first overall, like we've Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold, Geno Smith, the
25:59guys that didn't work out for a long time and then came around later.
26:03A lot of them like lost their jobs and had to go elsewhere.
26:06Like maybe Bryce Young, some versatility at least getting experience and sticking with the same team.
26:11Maybe he does turn the corner at some point.
26:13It's it's possible. So but so far, we haven't really seen a high consistent ceiling from him.
26:17Mike, when we turned the corner and around five, you were disappointed because I sniped you on your favorite pick of Tyler Warren.
26:24And so you were not able to get him here, even though I know that's your favorite guy, obviously.
26:29Yeah. You and I both in on this kid.
26:31I hope I'm picking before you in the ground for sure.
26:34Yeah, I didn't mention this, but look, I'm totally fine with Colson Loveland the round before.
26:38But the reason I don't take him a lot is because Tyler Warren's available around later and he might outscore him this year.
26:44I think Tyler Warren's ceiling is extremely high. It's not just the target volume that he's going to have you to 21
26:50percent target share last season in this offense. Now Michael Pittman Jr.'s out Keenan Allen's in.
26:54And that should net a little bit more for Tyler Warren.
26:57Wait, wait, explain that, though, to me, because Tyler Warren, I have him ranked high as well.
27:01But this is we're splitting hairs a little bit.
27:04Obviously, I think Colson Loveland, I have ranked one spot ahead of Tyler Warren.
27:07But if Warren took 30 percent of his snaps out of the slot last season, and we know that Keenan Allen, who
27:13has always dominated the slot, especially at this point of his career, is expected to man that area of the field.
27:19And Josh Downs is used theoretically as more of a Z option.
27:22Then why wouldn't that take more away from Warren versus Josh Downs, even with the hundred and eleven targets vacated by Pittman's exit?
27:28First of all, I think we agree Warren is like a capable two way tight end.
27:32You as a draft analyst, you would probably agree with that, right?
27:35I think this guy can kind of do all the things.
27:38So and also you kind of have to think about who's on the field, right?
27:42So at some point, Alec Pierce will be out there with Downs, Keenan Allen and Tyler Warren.
27:47Right. That's going to be the four pass catchers.
27:49So frankly, I'm not super concerned about where they lined up.
27:52I think like he's good. They're going to get the ball in his hands, not only in the passing game, but also
27:58in the running game like they're going to he's going to run the ball.
28:01He did that well at Penn State and he did it last year.
28:05He had three goal line carries and scored a rushing touchdown.
28:08We could see even more of that. So it's really just a well-rounded game.
28:11And then this guy's going into year two. And also, by the way, Keenan Allen was soaking up a lot of targets
28:17last year, but he was not productive. I mean, he really was not productive.
28:21I think he went, what was he, under 10 fantasy points and 10 straight to finish the year, 10 out of 11.
28:27So I don't know what they're going to get out of him, but I do think it will be less than Michael Pittman.
28:33Mike, if you don't go tight end here, which direction are you going in this round in the fifth?
28:38If I don't go tight end, Terry McLaurin, Jamison Williams, Devontae Adams all available here.
28:41I mean, you can go right back to the wide receiver.
28:44Well, that's going to be a trend as we actually, the trend is about to be wide receivers.
28:49Now we're about to see it now. Now, you know, I've addressed other positions.
28:53We're about to get busy at the wide. For what it's worth, those names are wildly different from each other.
28:58Like Jamison Williams and Devontae Adams. I do not have in the same like stratosphere with the way that I think about them as players.
29:05Maybe that's because I'm just more out on Devontae Adams with the touchdown regression and all the things, especially with Sam Laporta having the hip problems.
29:11J-Mo crushed when there was no Sam Laporta. So you said you don't have Devontae and J-Mo in the same tier.
29:17Does that mean you're higher on J-Mo than Devontae?
29:19I would have Devontae Adams probably ranked higher because I think he'll get more targets, but I wouldn't.
29:24I don't think I would draft him. Devontae is one of my do not draft players this year.
29:29Okay. Go ahead, Liz. I'm sorry. I was just going to say that I think all three of these players, and maybe
29:35this is why you highlighted such distinct players from one another, is meant for balancing your team because we've got Terry McFloren, not scoring.
29:41Thank you. Nailed it. Jamison Williams upside, Devontae Adams, maybe more of a regression candidate, but coming off of a big season.
29:47So I think I'm imagining the three, you highlighted these three because this helps contextualize a team and offer balance to a draft.
29:53Yeah, basically as I was doing this exercise, I'm going, like I'm now in round five, right?
29:57So everybody that's been drafted through the first four rounds in ADPs crossed off.
30:01So these are my best three guys at receiver.
30:03So if I'm looking receiver, those are the next three guys in my rankings who are generally going in that position.
30:09It's smart. Yeah. I like it. Which is the McCloren nickname that you hate, Mike?
30:13F1. No, that's what I love. You love F1?
30:15Oh, Scary Terry. Because I was just like copycatted from Terry Rozier, right?
30:18I know some basketball guys. Mike knows. Wow. I know a couple names.
30:22That's a pretty deep dig too. Truly like, you know.
30:24That was his name. That's why I was so critical of it.
30:28That's why I know him. That's impressive. We could throw Con Canipple your way and you'd be like, I have no idea.
30:33I don't know what that is. I genuinely don't know that.
30:36I think it's nearly the NBA rookie of the year last year.
30:39Oh, wow. Yes. So he and his college roommate, Cooper Flagg, went down to the wire there.
30:44Oh, I know that one. Okay. All right. Mama Dop just texted me, what is a con canipple?
30:49Can you ask Field to tell me later? One of the best shooting seasons for a rookie.
30:53We have seen. Not a lie. Yep. All right.
30:55We got round six. We're going to do one more round with Mike.
30:59Then we're going to take a quick break and get some questions from our chat.
31:03But Mike, give me round six before we do this.
31:05I'll go Bears time. Uh-oh. Uh-oh. Yep. Roma Dunze.
31:08Not Luther Burden. We're going Roma Dunze. Love that.
31:10Yeah, I have a slight lean for him over Luther Burden.
31:13Remember, this was an early first round pick a couple of years ago.
31:17He's got off to such a good start early last season.
31:19It's hard to say how healthy he was after that because things kind of fell apart.
31:24But remember, much like Ibuka, that upside was there.
31:26Five touchdowns and 15 plus fantasy points in four straight games to open the season.
31:30I still think he has wide receiver one upside in fantasy.
31:33So in the sixth round, I think he's such a tremendous value.
31:36He's the guy I want from this offense, if not Loveland.
31:39Yeah. No notes. No notes. Liz agrees. Liz is on that.
31:42I love Parker Washington in the same one. He's more of a floor guy.
31:45But again, just seems like he's going to be the wide receiver one in this offense.
31:50Maybe not the ceiling that we would see from Roma Dunze or Carnell Tate.
31:53But again, a nice floor option there. Yeah, Parker.
31:56I've loved Parker all offseason. I've been taking him in best ball mocks everywhere.
31:59I've been taking him, taking him, taking him. But the hype now is getting a little wild.
32:04You know something, Mike? It's so expensive. The way that you just put it is actually interesting because we did an episode
32:10maybe a week or two ago where we covered the players that are going to define the upcoming fantasy football season.
32:15And given the swell of support for Parker Washington this preseason, I think I could have included them on that list.
32:21Right? He's become like every fantasy football analyst's favorite wide receiver to talk about.
32:24And he was awesome down the stretch last year.
32:27I think he deserves a new contract from the Jacksonville Jaguars.
32:30I think he'll get that new contract before the season begins.
32:32The Jaguars just posted a promotion about their new jerseys, which are going to be debuted this year.
32:37It's one of those Nike alternate uniforms that wear a couple of times.
32:41Okay. Front and center in that picture, Parker Washington.
32:43Like everybody here loves Parker Washington. The question is not about whether he's a good player.
32:47It's is he going to be featured consistently enough to pay off at the level that I think people would like to see him pay off.
32:54I think the upside of Parker Washington is a guy that will be in your lineup every single week.
32:59There are just so many mouths to feed. I'll be curious to see how the ball is distributed.
33:04By the way, as far as alternate jerseys go, I'm very fascinated to see those because they're like all turquoise or, or even all black.
33:10I love they're one of my favorites in the NFL.
33:13Love them. I'm a big fan as well. I don't feel your uniform guy.
33:17Yeah. I am a uniform. Yeah. Remember they did the, they started this last year.
33:21Uh, they did the AFC East and the NFC West last year.
33:24Cardinals played with like dirty uniforms, right? I think they look like Mike and Ikes when they're out there.
33:29Just like candies. Yeah. The jets had very slick.
33:31I thought the jets last year were awesome. They were the all black uniforms were really cool.
33:36Yeah. I like them when they're monochrome. Yes. So we could do, we're going to rank a lot of stuff.
33:41By the way, I like one color. That's true.
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34:53All right, let's dive into a couple questions here from our chat.
34:56We're through the first six rounds of Mike's best players to draft.
34:59Eric Moody, by the way, hanging out in the control room because he's here in Bristol, Connecticut.
35:04Oral-Tworth. Liminal wants to know, Yates look like an Italian...
35:06Mafioso. Mafioso. Mafioso. Mafioso. Field, how's your Anscabagool? Pretty good?
35:09That's fantastic. That's pretty good. Wow. Field looks like a 30-year-old Mel Kiper.
35:12I'm not sure I agree with that. Okay, now someone's taking shots.
35:15No, no, no. That's a great thing. That's a great thing.
35:18That's a hair compliment. I like this Liminal man.
35:21Yeah, that's fair. That's fair. That's all right. All right, Veronica.
35:24We love Veronica here. When does one transition from a running back to a wide receiver?
35:28The first three picks were Gibbs, Taylor, and Robinson.
35:30Almost went wide receiver but thought Cook was too good of a value and their running back class is thin.
35:35I don't hate it. I am. So my rankings are as follows.
35:39One, two, three. Bijan, Jameer, CMC. So I think pick four is a reasonable place to go with Jamar Chase.
35:44I would say that if you value... I mean, you've heard this many times, but if you value two players in an
35:50early round, very similarly, I'm breaking the tie by going running back.
35:53Because you're going to get to RB22 and you're going to be like, really?
35:56You're going to get to wide receiver 22 and you'll be like, ooh, all right.
36:00Like Terry McFloren, F1? Not scary Terry. Might be like the 22nd wide receiver off the board and you're like, that could work right there.
36:07RB22 off the board could be like Ramondre Stevenson.
36:09And we opened the show talking about how absent Travion Henderson being hurt, were not excited to play Ramondre Stevenson.
36:15Yeah. And keep in mind, that's kind of why I do this exercise.
36:18Because I was talking a lot of running backs until we got to round four.
36:22You'll notice in rounds five and six, which we just did, didn't mention one running back.
36:26It's all like good tight end value loaded with wide receivers.
36:29You could start even thinking about in round six like Jaden Daniels, but not one single running back made it there.
36:34It's just there's no value there. There's a big cliff that you fall off and then it's kind of gross.
36:40I do want to give Veronica some praise though, because I think James Cook is one of those running backs.
36:45I have him ranked, I believe, running back, what, three?
36:48I'm pretty high on him. So I do think that's a running back that gets widely overlooked because of all of the discussions.
36:54He's usually going like number five. So I like the upside.
36:57Me too. All right. I love him there. All right.
36:59Let's go with one more question here. This one comes from Ryan.
37:02Thoughts on the Cleveland pass catchers and running backs with Watson being named the starter?
37:06I got to tell you, prior to this news, I wasn't particularly excited to draft any pass catcher from the Browns.
37:12And following this news, I am not particularly excited to draft any pass catcher from the Browns.
37:16No change? No change. I mean, I think there's points in the draft where it's fine to throw a dart at a Casey Concepcion.
37:23Or I mentioned Jerry Judy just kind of hope he gets traded at some point, but he's a fine late round flyer.
37:28Of course, Harold Fannin's still going to get the rock again.
37:31He'll carry the ball too. They'll get the ball in his hand.
37:34And Quinshawn Judkins, they're going to run the ball through him.
37:37I mean, there's places you can attack this offense, but yeah, I don't, I mean, we already knew it was going to be Watson or Sanders.
37:44And I don't think any of us were super excited about either one of them.
37:48And also, if you were more excited about Sanders, he's going to play.
37:51His time will come. I think it's week three.
37:54I think this is week three. I think all the signs point towards the Browns telling us yesterday, we're going to start Deshaun Watson.
38:00And once he proves he's not fit to be our starter this year, that means he is not fit to be our starter once and for all.
38:07And then we can play Shadour Sanders the rest of the year.
38:10A young quarterback who needs reps to see whether he has any chance of being our starter.
38:15But if Deshaun struggles for three games, like what's the point?
38:18Like you're in year five with a player that is going to go down as the single worst trade in NFL history.
38:24Counterpoint as a Browns fan. And what's the point of playing him now when you know that he's not good anyways?
38:29I have an answer because he's on the road for the first two weeks of the season.
38:34And he hates being at home apparently, which he voiced quite loudly.
38:37So now he gets what he wants and so do the fans.
38:40Yeah, I think we said this yesterday, Daniel, but I believe it's if you start Shadour Sanders in week one and he
38:46struggles, there might be a small group of fans that is like, hey, maybe we need to see what it looks like with Deshaun Watson.
38:52Agreed. Right? And then it can create more pressure on Shadour Sanders.
38:55If Deshaun stinks for the first couple of weeks and even if Shadour comes out in week three through six and is
39:01terrible, it's like, OK, well, what's the point of going to Deshaun?
39:04I'm sorry that I don't agree with you taking into consideration what the Browns think about the fans because they signed Deshaun
39:10Watson to a 200 and some odd million dollar contract.
39:13Deshaun Watson also doesn't care what the fans think.
39:15So, yeah, there you go. So you can be relaxed up with him.
39:18Mike, give us your seventh round here. I got to tell you, I want to just hear the names that you have listed before you say anything else.
39:26Give us the names of your seventh round. The name?
39:28Yeah, my list is Corlin Sutton. Corlin Sutton is your favorite.
39:31Give me the rest of them. Among the other possible targets.
39:34So he's my main target. But the other guys, Rico Dowdle would be a guy you could look at as your RB3 or Flex.
39:41And then some tight ends, Sam LaPorter and Kyle Pitts.
39:43This round made me throw up in my mouth a little bit.
39:46Oh, really? This was my least of all the rounds in the draft.
39:50This was the one where I was like, oh, I'm less excited about these guys.
39:54Yeah, I wrote in here the fourth round is my favorite.
39:57Okay. Round seven is, I mean, not great, but also I love Corlin Sutton.
40:00If I can get him in this body, this is a guy that's had a thousand yards and was a top 20 receiver now.
40:07Two seasons in a row. And I don't think he's going to lose much with Jalen Waddell there.
40:11I think Jalen Waddell is going to replace a lot of the targets of those guys.
40:15They were rotating in through that offense. So even if you knock Sutton a little bit, this is a guy that's still
40:21going to be one of Bo Nix's favorite targets in an offense that should score more.
40:25And also he's one of the premier most utilized receivers near the end zone.
40:29He's top 10 in end zone targets four years in a row now.
40:33Plus end zone targets for four straight years. Wide receiver five in that category last year.
40:37Yeah, no doubt. So like him a lot, I'm happy to get him.
40:40And this is, again, a lot of wide receivers in this range.
40:43This is why I'm not afraid to just load up and running back early.
40:47You know, it was interesting last night during the marathon.
40:50We had Adam Schefter on with us and he was great as he always is.
40:54And we were doing a conversation at one point about old faces and new places.
40:58And I think a lot of fans know this, but Schefter's NFL career began reporting on the Broncos for like 25 years.
41:03He eventually became a national insider, but he is very much a guy who knows that Broncos organization backwards and forwards.
41:09And I thought when we brought up Jalen Waddell, it might be like, well, you know, like Sean Payton gets the guy
41:15that's going to unlock so many things for him.
41:17And Schefter's enthusiasm was a bit more tepid than I thought it was going to be.
41:21It was kind of like, yeah, like he's going to be a big part of the offense.
41:26But don't forget that Sean Payton loves to spread the football around, which is not that.
41:30I think we all agree on that sentiment, right?
41:32But you kind of wondered when they made that trade for Jalen Waddell, if it was a little bit of we've got a darn good team.
41:39But we need a guy that push comes to shove, can be the focal point of the passing game, because we want to go from AFC championship game.
41:46I know their quarterback got hurt to Super Bowl favorite right away.
41:50Yeah, I think that makes sense, especially when they're just rotating in guys that they don't love.
41:54Like Marvin Mims is fine in his own role, but little Jordan Humphrey.
41:57Has he been re-signed yet? Yeah. Who is that?
42:00Little Jordan? He's there. So he's somewhere. He's on a roster.
42:03But yeah, I think it made sense for them to upgrade that spot.
42:06But yeah, I mean, you look at the target share projections for this offense.
42:10I don't have enormous target share projections for Waddell or Corlin Sutton, but it should be a good offense under Sean Payton and score a lot.
42:17And they're very, very talented duo. So I think they're both going to be fine in fantasy.
42:21I did say yesterday or last night on FFC that Jalen Waddell is a little too expensive for me in the fourth round.
42:27But if you're putting a best ball stack together with Waddell, Knicks and Sutton overall, that's a tremendous value.
42:32Pretty good. I just want to say congratulations to you.
42:35You got that right, saying on FFC last night.
42:37You know what? I wanted to say that to you, too.
42:40You had to say it like 400 times last night.
42:43I don't think you messed it up one time.
42:45So well done. No coins in the jar. I was going to say, I actually thought about bringing a swear jar out
42:51there for saying fantasy football now as opposed to fantasy focus countdown.
42:54That's right. And we are now fantasy focus countdown with a really cool thing.
42:58The O in focus is like a target. Yeah.
43:00It's like you're focusing on it. Focusing on that.
43:02Yeah. I think that's legit. All right. Round eight.
43:05Another spot where Mike and I see things pretty similarly here.
43:08They're Michael Pittman Jr. It's good we're aligned, but also I don't like that we're aligned because we're just going to keep sniping each other all season long.
43:15Yeah. Michael Pittman Jr. He's been terrific. You look at his six seasons with Indianapolis.
43:19The last five, he's had at least 800 receiving yards and he missed some time during those stints.
43:24Was a top 20 fantasy receiver in four of the six seasons.
43:27He's always been kind of this boring pick that no one really wants to take and he's a value every year in fantasy drafts.
43:33And I think that's the case again here as he goes to Pittsburgh, which I know everyone wants him to have like
43:39at a vertical threat, but I just don't know if an Aaron at this point, Aaron Rogers career that he's going to do that a lot.
43:46I think Pittman's a perfect fit for him. A guy that's going to generate upward of a quarter of the targets won't
43:51score a lot of touchdowns, but we're talking about an eighth round player here and Michael Pittman Jr.
43:56Who's very good football player and it's going to see a lot of targets.
44:00So love him. Love, love the value. I think he'll pay off as a wide receiver three big floor play.
44:05Not really a big ceiling here. We think with Michael Pittman and the quarterback, but he will definitely be able to carry
44:11you if you need that wide receiver here in the spot.
44:14Higher ceiling. Mike, if you don't want to go with Michael Pittman, we have someone on the other side of that.
44:19Former teammate. Yeah. Alec Pierce. We're keeping an eye on the injury.
44:22If he's going to be ready for week one, I think he'll immediately pay off his ADP.
44:27He just is plummeting. He's the guy that's the top of my queue the most often right now.
44:32And I'm drafting because he just keeps falling and falling and falling.
44:35And I've discounted him a little bit because of that.
44:37I also did notice as I looked into him a little more that actually he kind of crushed it after the Daniel
44:43Jones injury, which gives me a hair of pause on him.
44:46But also they paid him $114 million. So I think that he is going to be heavily involved and have a more well-rounded target tree when he plays.
44:54But if not any of those guys, Jonathan Brooks right now, if you can still get him in this range again, his ADP is going up.
45:00And if you can still get him in the seventh or eighth round, a guy that will probably start for Caroline in
45:06week one, I would imagine Chuba Hubbard obviously dealing with a hamstring injury.
45:10He could pay off in a big way as well.
45:12There are some builds that I would be less comfortable with Alec Pierce in the eighth round.
45:17If you took, based off what we know right now, use one of your first, second, first, I guess probably second or
45:22third round picks on Ashton Gentry or Jeremiah Love.
45:25And you're already staring down the specter of those guys maybe missing a game or two or three to begin the season.
45:31We don't know right now. And then you eventually draft Alec Pierce like three or four rounds later.
45:35It's a sinking feeling when you begin the fantasy football season.
45:38You've been waiting eight months for it. And then it's like, yes, I'm playing three bench guys in the first week because I drafted so many hurt players.
45:46That being said, if you went with a much steadier build during the first few rounds, you have a Jamar Chase and
45:51you have a Kenneth Walker III to anchor your lineup.
45:54Like giddy up on Alec Pierce in the middle rounds.
45:57Yeah, if he's your, say your first or second bench player, that's fine.
46:00I mean, you don't need him right away, but at some point he could be a weekly starter for you.
46:05And that's the kind of, once your starting lineup is filled out, those are the guys you want.
46:10You want potential league winners. Here's the thing. Your starting lineup isn't filled out yet.
46:14We're through the eighth round and I don't think you've mentioned a single quarterback yet.
46:18We talked tight ends. We talked running backs. We talked wide receivers.
46:21You're right, Daniel. Fade and Daniels a little bit earlier.
46:24Oh, you did, man. Yes, yes, yes. I mentioned him kind of as a, yeah, if you want to start the run
46:29or, you know, take a shot and try to get an edge of quarterback.
46:33Daniels is an option, but you're waiting, but I'm waiting.
46:36As awesome as possible. This is my guy this year, Jackson Dart.
46:39In round nine, finally a quarterback off the board.
46:41I think he's way too cheap. This guy, when he started games last year, was a tremendous fantasy asset.
46:46Yeah. He had eight top 10 fantasy outings in just 12 games, which was fifth most among quarterbacks.
46:51So they played 12 games. He had eight, what did I say?
46:54Five, eight top 10. All these numbers. You know what just happened right there, right?
46:58We had all been there. The server just froze for a second.
47:01And I repeated it and I shouldn't have done it.
47:04You had the little, you know, like when the, yes.
47:06It's like buffering, buffering. This is so funny because before the show, you and I were talking and Daniel was like, I
47:12see you like look at your notes before each segment.
47:15I'm like, yeah, I'm just refreshing the numbers in my head.
47:18So I don't like do what I just did.
47:20Do what you just did. That was so funny.
47:23Yeah. Eight top 10s. That was fifth most among quarterbacks.
47:25He was tremendous. He, and also think about the conditions he was in last year, which wasn't good.
47:30You know, Malik neighbors, you know, for one half of one game, he's going to have neighbors this year.
47:35He's also going to have Darnell Mooney is in there.
47:37Like he used to be a number one receiver.
47:40He's just a depth guy for them. Now you bring in Isaiah, likely a tight end.
47:44You improve the offensive line. You have John Harbaugh as your head coach.
47:47Say what you want about Matt Nagy. He's there.
47:50He's the play caller. But there's a dual threat ability.
47:52I mean, everything's kind of coming up dark this off season.
47:55So as long as he's, he's healthy, which I know is a big question mark.
47:59He's going to be a fantasy difference maker. Remember the, if I think is okay here, we're talking about the ninth round.
48:05This isn't like Jaden Daniels or Lamar Jackson or Josh, like where you're spending an earlier pick.
48:10He's so late that you can hedge with him as we're about to do here very shortly.
48:14I think the biggest concern within the community is the potential injury issue with Dart.
48:18So if you were to take him in round nine, and this is your guy, are you also spending a roster spot on a backup for him late?
48:25Again, acknowledging for the umpteen time that the position is so deep.
48:28Can I answer that question in about one minute?
48:31Sure. Can I say one last thing on Jackson Dart before we move on?
48:35Yes, please. Coaches have this affinity for players that have torched them in the past.
48:38And it's like Sean Payne, any number of coaches has done this in the past.
48:42Bill Belichick used to always do this. The Patriots would sign somebody and he'd be like, I remember this guy back in
48:482014, ripped, you know, whatever, seven runs of 10 plus yards against us.
48:52And it's like, those things just stick in your craw.
48:54There are a lot of good reasons to like Jackson Dart just based off of his resume.
48:59Mike and I also went to the Giants-Eagles game last year at MetLife Stadium together.
49:03And I was very confident. This was when the Giants were kind of trending up a little bit with Jackson Dart.
49:08And I was like, listen, this is about to be a reality check.
49:12The Eagles will take care of business, get back on track.
49:14And then Jackson Dart and the Giants put a spanking on Mike's Eagles last year.
49:18And Mike, I mean, it was almost a surreal experience sitting next to Mike, who obviously is such a great fantasy football
49:24analyst, but also a huge Eagles fan. And it was like a state of shock.
49:28And so I'm convinced that since that time, you've had a greater appreciation for Giants players.
49:32Yeah, it might be because I'm in on Scadaboo and Navers and all these guys.
49:36Yeah, that was a wild game. It felt like a turning point for both franchises.
49:40And then it went the other direction. But yeah, that was that was a wild experience for sure.
49:45The Eagles ran four straight tush pushes from like the three yard line in that game.
49:49Remember that? Yeah. Yeah, that's like they burned like three and a half minutes of play clock on just tush pushes.
49:55Yeah. Like they got, you know, first and goal from the four.
49:58Then it was. Yeah, they got they got crushed.
50:00The last two games I've been to the last two NFL games I've been to, which is basically my last decade.
50:06Right. Because we're working every Sunday where that game and the Eagles Super Bowl went over the Chiefs.
50:10So like talk about polar ends of the spectrum.
50:13Yeah, how do you get to go to games?
50:15That's crazy, right? That's it. I mean, that's the thing.
50:18I want to say this really quickly about round nine before we move on.
50:21We got three more rounds left. The delta between what you're drafting at the island positions and what you're getting at the
50:27running back or wide receiver spot is crazy. You're getting Jackson Dart.
50:30And this is a little bit of a crazy thing.
50:33But like if Jackson Dart finished as QB five, none of us, I think, would be shocked.
50:37Not at all. No. If George Kittle finished as tight end three, none of us would be shocked.
50:42There's no way Kenny Gainwell or Jordan Mason are doing anything like that.
50:46The island positions in round nine with the value you still get right now is really good.
50:50You could really go running back, running back, running back this year.
50:53And then you're just going to be cruising through all the other positions and never have to look at a running back again, honestly.
51:00And just be happy. I mean, it works. It really works.
51:02Three running backs early is totally fine this year.
51:05It's like the Top Gun meme. I'm inverted. Oh.
51:07No? Like running backs high? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then the other one.
51:11Ah, got it. I gotcha. I gotcha. Pop culture things and me.
51:14Oil and water. Top Gun, though. Come on, Field.
51:16Was that Top Gun 1 or Top Gun 2?
51:18I've got a pretty limited life of the original.
51:21There's no Top Gun 2. That movie is named Maverick.
51:23Wow. The chats still look like Tom Cruise. All right.
51:26I am back in on Top Gun. By the way, I'm in on chat right now.
51:30I don't like that. I don't like that. Let's move around to round nine.
51:34We just took Jackson Dart off the board. And now I'm looking to see who the next best player is.
51:39Mike, where am I going? Yeah, so to answer your question, Liz, yes, I will hedge on a quarterback by going quarterback here as well.
51:46I'm fine to go back-to-back dart. And then I have Bo Nix and Brock Purdy.
51:50And this is fine even if I don't take Jackson Dart.
51:53Bo Nix and Brock Purdy are terrific targets. Bo Nix has finished QB7 each of his first two years in the NFL.
51:58And is going in the 10th round of drafts, which is kind of wild to me after considering that you're adding Jalen
52:04Waddell and have probably the best offensive line in the NFL.
52:07Tremendous value here on Bo Nix. And then Brock Purdy has finished top 10 in fantasy points per game three consecutive years.
52:13And he was outstanding down the stretch. What do you have?
52:1620-some plus points. Back-to-back weeks. Yeah, 20-plus points. I think four out of five weeks late in the season.
52:21When he's healthy, he's been outstanding. So remember, it's a weekly game.
52:24Purdy can miss a few games. Dart can miss a few games.
52:27Nix can miss a few games. Whatever. As long as we have one of these guys out there every single week, we're
52:33going to put together a terrific season. And again, you're not doing it at the expense of the other positions.
52:38You're doing it in the 8th, 9th, 10th round.
52:40You're going to be loaded everywhere else and work through the quarterback position.
52:44This is an excellent year to deploy that strategy.
52:46If you draft Brock Purdy, just draft Mac Jones a few rounds later.
52:50The last pick. Because Mac, stepping in for Brock Purdy.
52:52Step right in there. Pretty good, Les. Fantastic. Purdy can run the ball, too.
52:56And there's been reports that he's going to do that even more this year.
53:00So a lot to like there. All right. Through 10 rounds of the draft, Mike, we got some late-round flyers now.
53:05We're in that dart throw territory. I'm so proud of you for this next one.
53:09Why don't you give us rounds 11 and 12?
53:11Some of your favorite late-round flyers, my friend. All right.
53:14So look at. Self-evaluation here. Yes. Look, this is one of them things why I don't like to say I will never
53:20draft a player or a situation because sometimes guys just fall too far because everyone's out.
53:24And then that's the time to pounce and take a shot.
53:27And that's what I'm doing here with a Packers wide receiver.
53:30What? Matthew Golden. The hate has gone too far.
53:32Round 11 ADP is too far. There's a first-round pick last year.
53:35One of the fastest players in the NFL. And I believe that the Packers systematically are making a change this season to
53:41not just spread the ball around to a ton of wide receivers.
53:44I'm not as worried about Melon as I was last year.
53:47Okay. It should be Matthew Golden. It should be Jaden Reed in the slot.
53:51And it should be your boy, Christian Watson. On the other side, Tucker Craft, a tight end.
53:55That is going to be what they deployed this year.
53:58Savion Williams will be rotated in as a gadget player here or there, but that should be it.
54:03I think they really are making a change here.
54:05So I believe in Golden. He looks really good.
54:07His best game of his career was his most recent game in the playoffs against your Chicago Bears.
54:12So I think in round 11, this is, we're getting to dart throw territory.
54:16This is where you pounce on a guy like this.
54:18This is the dart throw I would throw at the Packers wide receiving core.
54:22If I was going to, it would be Matthew Golden as well.
54:25And you, by the way, you have other options here too.
54:28Can you see him on the screen? Casey Concepcion is a perfectly fine fallback.
54:32I can't believe I'm saying this, but post-type Xavier worthy.
54:35I mean, what if he just wasn't healthy last year?
54:37I mean, you look at it. This is why I enjoy doing targets, right?
54:41Or doing projections. I mean, because you look at just target distribution and what should be a good passing offense in Kansas city with Patrick Mahomes.
54:48You're like, if I'm not giving them to worthy, where are they going?
54:51Like who are you giving them to? Like he has to be heavily involved in that offense.
54:56So he's a name Zach Charbonnet. If he comes back at some point in the first month or so of the seasonal payoff at this cost.
55:02So you have some options here. I will go back to something that was said on the broadcast of the first game for the chiefs last year.
55:09They played in Brazil against the Chargers Friday night football game.
55:12And Kurt Warner was calling the game as the game analyst.
55:15And they were talking about how they were speaking to Andy Reed and how their expectation was building a lot of the
55:21passing game until Rashi Rice returned around Xavier worthy.
55:23Now, maybe the chiefs have just soured a ton on worthy from 12 months ago because he was really disappointing last season
55:29while coming back from that hit that he took from Travis Kelsey three snaps into the season.
55:34But there was a point last year where the chiefs had big plans for Xavier worthy.
55:38They traded up in the draft to get him.
55:40I agree with you, Mike. He is an interesting at the very least 11th round pick.
55:44All right. In the 12th round, Mike, I feel like the name you're about to mention is just continues to climb up boards.
55:50I wonder how much higher it's going to get as we get closer to the start of the season.
55:55Yeah, I usually don't do this in this exercise, but I reached by a round on his current ADP when I wrote
56:01this as ADP is probably working its way up to the 10th, 11th round, maybe the 12th round.
56:06But in the 12th round, I have Dijon Stribling, 49ers.
56:09The hype seems real here. This was a borderline first round pick, 33rd overall pick.
56:13I know they were kind of rudely criticized for reaching on some guys in this draft, but so far they look like they're correct on Stribling.
56:19He looks the part. And with Mike Evans not getting through some practices, 33 years old, Debo Samuel was just brought in.
56:25No Ricky Pearsall. George Kittle's coming off a major injury.
56:28CMC is 30. They need to look to the future at some point.
56:31And this could be an every down player for the 49ers as soon as week one.
56:35So you're talking about round 12 for Dijon Stribling?
56:38Yes, sir. Wow. Watching these highlights of camp right now.
56:40Brock is slinging it. Yeah. I took Stribling first overall in my preseason fantasy league and I am in first place because he has been ridiculously busy.
56:47He's got what? 20 catches in two games for the night?
56:5015 catches in two games for the Niners? Ridiculous.
56:53All gas and no hesitation. Both in terms of skill set and in terms of how he has handled this draft process and the preseason.
56:59Mike, last chance here to be able to throw a few darts.
57:02If you can't get any of those guys, is there anyone else just at the end of drafts you'd like to be able to throw a dart at?
57:10I like the end of drafts. So we're going to like, yeah, rounds 13 and 14.
57:14I kind of just split off as guys that are kind of just, you know, dart throws across all of the positions.
57:20So a few things I'm looking at flyers at the quarterback position.
57:23Think Daniel Jones. Remember that offense was so good.
57:25He was QB seven when he got hurt last year.
57:28Malik Willis stole threat ability. Cam Ward, a year two quarterback.
57:31These are guys who throw darts at running back.
57:33Insurance options are outstanding in this area. And I'm not going to mention Blake Corham because he went five rounds ago.
57:39He's too expensive, but Brian Robinson, Keaton Mitchell, Isaiah Pacheco, Jonah Coleman, guys like that tank Bigsby in Philadelphia.
57:44Mike Washington Jr. Obviously he's on the rise with Ashton Jente injured wide receiver.
57:47I do a lot of analysis on this. I did this in the playbook where you should be looking for upside flyers at receiver.
57:54Generally, it's going to be the first year or three of their career guys that were drafted in the first three rounds
57:59of the NFL draft guys that fit that stripling.
58:02I just mentioned him Denzel Boston, Caleb Douglas, Jacoby Lane, Jeremy Bernard, Zachariah Branch, Omar Cooper.
58:06All those guys are viable. Late rounders, Travis Hunter, Jalen McMillan, guys like that.
58:10And then tight ends. I mean, there's actually some respectable veterans available late.
58:13Like a TJ Hawkinson is going this late in drafts.
58:16Hunter Henry. And then of course, the young guys, Terrence Ferguson.
58:19That's right. Love him. Brenton Strange. And Sadiq has plummeted in drafts because the injury is probably going to get off to a slow start.
58:25But the last five tight ends drafted in the first round all finished top 12 in fantasy points.
58:30It's a tight end as a rookie. Very similar to the Jeremiah Love stats.
58:34So very similar there. Keep an eye on him and Gunnar Helm as well out there in Tennessee replacing Chico Krakwo.
58:39Your guy, right? Good player. Hey, go check. Can I throw out a quick name?
58:43And I want to ask you about it. Because we didn't talk about this in news and if we're throwing late round flyers.
58:49There is buzz that Chris Bell, now on the Miami Dolphins, drafted inside of the top 100 this past draft.
58:54And a player that I know you were very high on before he tore his ACL.
58:59And I believe in late November. Late November tears his ACL.
59:02Ended up, of course, being the final game of his college career.
59:05He looks like A.J. Brown in terms of build.
59:07He is just an absolute beast out there. So powerful.
59:10So strong. Buzz that he might play in the final preseason game.
59:13Yeah, that would be really interesting. I just, I can only go as far as investing in Devon A.J.
59:18and this Dolphins offense, right? That's about as far as I'm willing to go right now.
59:22I totally find late or last round pick is Chris Bell, but I think they'll be smart with him throughout the upcoming season.
59:28And I do think this passing off is going to leave some things to be desired.
59:32Yeah, if we're picking a dynasty receiver from Miami, though, Chris Bell.
59:35With the news that he could play in the preseason finale, I just wanted to check in.
59:40Because it's a really exciting, there's so much potential here.
59:42And it's an exciting recovery for him. Wide open room to be able for someone to come in and put their stand on it.
59:49Just for some context, I had a mock draft that came out like a day or two before the news that Chris Bell tore his ACL.
59:56A real NFL mock draft. He went 32nd overall in that mock.
59:59So before the injury, I was thinking this is a player, and this was in November, who had a real chance to be in that first round conversation.
60:06Okay. Love that. Like it. Let's take a couple of questions from our chat before we get out of here.
60:11This one comes from Steven Sittler wants to know, thoughts on Jalen Naylor as a late round flyer.
60:16He's virtually going undrafted and is the clear wide receiver one in Las Vegas.
60:20Someone has to catch passes outside of Brock Bowers, right guys?
60:23Well, this is a good question. A little more, you know, we haven't talked much about Jalen Naylor or the Raiders wide receivers.
60:29The reports seem to indicate that the clear wide receiver one in Las Vegas is Trey Tucker.
60:33I think I wouldn't be surprised if Tucker got an extension prior to the season with Las Vegas.
60:38Trey Tucker, if you remember, scored 43 points last year in one week against the commanders.
60:42He, we scored over 40. This reminds me a little bit of how I've settled with like, should you be drafting?
60:48And these guys are at a much higher level.
60:50Roma Dunze or Luther Burden. My answer is Colston Loveland.
60:53It's like, rather than worrying about a Las Vegas Raiders wide receiver, I'm convinced that Brock Bowers has a real shot to
60:58set the NFL single season catch record for tight ends.
61:01Wow. I like it. Jalen Naylor's 27 has never had more than six targets in a game and six in the game.
61:07And when guys like Jefferson missed time or Jordan Addison missed time and he stepped into a starting role, he still wasn't usable in fantasy.
61:13Now he's going to the Raiders. I mean, no thanks.
61:16Okay. No, thanks from Mike. We're going to move on to the next question here from our chat.
61:21This one comes from Benny. Benny wants to know, is Ollie Gordon or Jalen Wright a better handcuff for Devani Chan?
61:26I think the offseason reports I saw most recently was that it was clearly right ahead of him on the depth chart.
61:32That could change at any given point. Young, or Gordon is a very young player.
61:36At some point he might develop and pass him out.
61:39But if I had to pick one right now, it's Jalen Wright.
61:42The only reason, neither actually. The right answer is neither.
61:44But if Devani Chan gets hurt and this, one of these guys becomes the de facto number one, one, I don't think
61:50it would be just the number one. I think it'd be a split.
61:54It'd be a split. That's the bigger takeaway. And I'm not, I wouldn't be, we wouldn't start either one of these guys.
61:59We wouldn't have them ranked likely as a weekly starter.
62:02Yeah. All right. Next question here from our chat.
62:04This last one comes from Billy Sumner wants to know Garrett Wilson versus Mecca Abuka.
62:08Who has a greater ceiling? This is a trading query.
62:11I think the greater ceiling is Mecca Abuka. Guy was red hot through the first half of last season.
62:16Garrett Wilson's a more talented player, but quarterback considerations, the offense in general that he plays in, I think the answer is Mecca Abuka pretty clearly.
62:23Okay. Yeah. It's a, you know, I like Garrett Wilson, but he's going around later in drafts too.
62:28So it's, it's a close call. I think who's more likely to finish top five this season.
62:32So higher ceiling. Yeah. I'm with you on that.
62:34Yep. All right. We got a couple of things here quickly before we close out the show.
62:39We're going to take a look at my friends.
62:41This one comes from Marin Otto. Marin out. Just notice Liz's shirt.
62:44That is fantastic. What is it Liz? It's a Lizzie McGuire t-shirt.
62:47Oh, I love that. Figured we were all going to come clean with some fantasy takes today.
62:52Hilary does have a moment these days. It's a comeback.
62:55Nothing wrong with that. Resurgence. Not a comeback. I was going to say that.
62:58That's right. For the real ones. Thank you. We got one more actually we want to show before we get out of here.
63:04Laminol says, field looks like Tom Cruise in the Jerry Maguire remake.
63:07You guys, stop ruining this thing. Show me the money.
63:10My gosh. Show me the money. How did that work?
63:13I think he did pretty good for sure. Which player would you tell completed you?
63:17In fantasy this year. Christian Watson. This year. Yeah, Christian Watson.
63:20Thank you. Christian Watson. That's it. Olsen Loveland as well.
63:22That's it. Hey, we're not done. We've got so much more of the fantasy football marathon today throughout the entirety of the day.
63:28We're going to be a lot of different places, but most importantly tonight at 9 p.m.
63:32Eastern time, we're going to be doing our draft.
63:35The big draft for the fantasy football marathon. It is also going to be live on YouTube in case you want to
63:41watch it there as well as a second screen experience.
63:43We will see you guys tonight. Don't forget to love each other and be kind to yourself.
63:48You deserve it. We'll see you guys. We'll see you guys.
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