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0:40I feel weird right now because I'm Field Yates and not Daniel Dopp.
0:43He's Mike Clay and we are awaiting Daniel's arrival.
0:46A little bit of a travel situation has impacted his commute to work here, Mike.
0:50So you and I are going to be holding down the fort.
0:53Can you really tolerate me all by myself for an hour straight?
0:56I'm going to try. We're also sitting closer to each other.
0:59Usually, I feel like I'm far away when I'm in that seat, but right here, we're just like right here.
1:04I can reach you. Yeah, stay away, will you?
1:06The last thing is that, at least for that shot that opened up the show, for those that are watching right now,
1:12Mike and I are staring into cameras, despite the fact that if I put my left hand out, you can see him.
1:18So I don't quite know what to do with my hands.
1:21I don't know which way to work. I'm just going to let the camera find me and we're going to roll here.
1:27We have a huge show today, Mike. One of the biggest words in fantasy football, especially during the preseason, is bust, right?
1:33We are covering bust today in fantasy football. This is a tough exercise.
1:36Say again? This is a tough exercise. Yes, yes it is.
1:39And we talked yesterday about our guardrails, which were top 10 quarterbacks.
1:42Yes. You said, hey, like top 10 quarterbacks or good judgment, top 20 running backs slash good judgment.
1:47I stuck in your guardrails. There we have it.
1:49And then also top 10 tight ends. So we'll get into that.
1:52A reminder that if you are looking for something to do while you are in the chat, Eric Moody is there.
1:58The great Eric Moody, he is answering all of your questions and engaging with you about Mike's costume for the show yesterday.
2:04That really got the people going. It did. People really enjoyed that.
2:07And I'm glad because that was my, we actually had a, what was it, a Christmas party last year?
2:12A holiday party at my house. Yes. And it was a pajama party.
2:15So everyone wore their PJs and that was mine.
2:18So I've now worn that two times. It was great.
2:20I'm getting a good run out of it twice a year.
2:23It was hilarious. It was great. One of my memories from that holiday party was there were a lot of pregnant moms there at that time.
2:30Remember that? Yeah. It was just like a weird confluence where like a lot of us who were invited to this party all had expected wives.
2:37And now all those babies are born. Yeah, I made like 100 margaritas and they just sat there.
2:42I had 84 of them. I digress. That's how I came up with my bust picks for today.
2:46But again, Daniel Dopp coming at some point we hope during the show.
2:50What we're going to do is Mike and I are going to go through our bust picks.
2:54And if Daniel shows up, we will let him empty out the clip.
2:58If he does not show up because of travel stuff, you and I will go through his picks and decide whether they were good or bad selections.
3:05I do like that. They just cut to the empty chair.
3:08Yes. It's like he's here. There he is. There he is.
3:11There is Daniel Dopp. In spirit, Daniel Dopp is here.
3:13By the way, this, you know, this is a tough exercise.
3:16It's tough to go because oftentimes we think and even me, I would even I would even put me in this category,
3:22despite it's going to sound like it's not true.
3:24But like generally, we're positive about players, right? Especially guys ranked this high.
3:28You know, these are the guys we'd like. These are the guys we want to draft.
3:32So when you go, you talk so positively about the same guys over and over, it's tough to be like, okay, I
3:38have to like adjust my notes and my thought to like, what's the downside here?
3:42And that's, I think I do that a lot with a lot of players.
3:45It's important not just to see the ceiling, but see what could go wrong, you know, because stuff goes wrong and you're
3:51like, how on earth did Dave Davis fail in Buffalo?
3:54Right. Everything seemed positive. How did Brian Thomas go from wide receiver four as a rookie with a backup quarterback for a
4:00chunk of the season and drop off that much in year two?
4:03It doesn't make sense. And the offense was successful.
4:05Like it's a, it's a really hard thing to do, but it's important to look at.
4:09So I actually going through this, I was picking one, one specifically.
4:13I'll tell you who it is when we get to that player.
4:16But I was like, actually, the more I dig into this, this is more of a red flag than I thought on this guy.
4:22So it is a, it is a healthy exercise.
4:24I think even though it's a negative exercise, we'll find out my picks in just a moment, but just one way in
4:30which I landed on my selections and at least two of the four cases was I looked at players in the range that we're talking about.
4:37And I found out if I was the lowest ranker or tied for the lowest ranker on any of the players within
4:43the top 10 quarterbacks, top 20 running backs, wide receivers, or top 10 tight ends.
4:47And that allowed me to make my pick. I'm going to tell you right now, Mike, it was hard to find a
4:53bust for tight ends because there's only so many good ones that it's hard to find a bust for tight ends.
4:58That's the one that I'm referring to. That was really interesting.
5:01All right. By the way, I did not do it exactly that way.
5:05I looked at like, I thought more in a range of outcomes, like this guy, like a lot of the guys, again,
5:10especially like QB ones, for example, the floor is so high or even tight end ones.
5:15Yeah. The floor is so high, but what about a guy that maybe isn't as cemented yet and has a wider range of outcomes?
5:21And you could say, okay, yeah, if that player busts, maybe we should have saw that coming.
5:25So slightly different angle, but the bottom line is I think we have some good names.
5:30All right. Let's go ahead and get to it, Mike.
5:32We're going to start with our quarterback busts and I'll take the floor here first, Mike, see what you think.
5:38My quarterback bust. And you said this stat at one point this preseason.
5:41And I really thought you had an incredibly rare error where I was like, there's no way Mike said that and meant that.
5:47At one point, you told me that Caleb Williams was quarterback five in total points last season.
5:51And I was like, there's no way Caleb Williams was quarterback five in total points last season.
5:56He was, in fact, quarterback five in total points last season was Caleb Williams.
6:00He also was quarterback seven in points per game last season.
6:03So Patrick Mahomes and Brock Purdy, because they missed time, finished with higher points per game than Caleb Williams.
6:08But, of course, he played wire to wire all 17 games.
6:10The issue is not that I don't think Caleb Williams is talented.
6:14I think he's very talented. I've talked often about how in the construct of the other pass catchers in this offense, like
6:19he's going to be an improved passer this year.
6:22He was 32nd in completion percentage last year. Do the math.
6:25That's not very good. Pack avoidance in the NFL.
6:27He's made a number of ridiculous throws that have already become like the stuff of YouTube legend.
6:32The throw against the Rams. There's all good. The jump man throw against the Packers.
6:36Like, he's a dynamic player with his hands. It just comes down to can Caleb Williams do it more consistently?
6:41Right. And I think that sometimes year-end finishes can be a little bit too misleading.
6:45Right? Because you can have a handful of spike weeks that inflate your season-long total.
6:49Jared Goff. Exactly. Correct. He's a good example of it.
6:51Seriously. That kind of cloud the reality of what the player is week in and week out.
6:56Our friend Tristan Cockroft writes about consistency of players.
6:58He does consistency ratings. And it's actually a great article that I would find.
7:02Just search Tristan Cockroft consistency ratings. It'll pop up from last year.
7:05And he overviews the system that he has developed.
7:07And he highlights the players that were most consistent at each position.
7:11He also highlights a couple of different categories. One of those categories is what he calls a stiff week.
7:16It's a week in which a player is started.
7:18And he performs so poorly relative to the rest of the position.
7:21That you would have been better off starting a player off of the waiver wire.
7:25Right? Caleb Williams last year in 17 games had four stiff weeks.
7:28And that's the thing about Caleb Williams. The good version of Caleb?
7:31Really good. The bad version of Caleb? Not so good.
7:34Just some context on how other... You know, Drake may have one stiff week.
7:38All of last year. Matthew Stafford. Daniel Jones. I know he was injured.
7:41But Daniel Jones. Brock Purdy. Just two all of last year.
7:44So there were players that in the case of Jones and Purdy.
7:47May not have had as many points as Caleb Williams last year.
7:50But just were more consistent week in, week out.
7:53I also know that last year the Bears schedule was more favorable than it is this year.
7:57Maybe it's a bit overblown of how difficult it's going to be this upcoming season.
8:01But it's not going to be as easy as I thought it was at times last year.
8:06Caleb tended to feast on the week and had a...
8:08Met his match against the more formidable opponents. So for those reasons, I'm just a little less optimistic on Caleb this season.
8:14Yeah. Two thoughts. First is, you're right about the passing efficiency.
8:17It has to be better. He completed 58% of his passes last year.
8:20To your point, one of the worst in the NFL.
8:23That's going to have to be better. And you could say, well, Ben Johnson's there.
8:27It's going to be better. Well, he was there last year.
8:30And it wasn't exceptional. So we need to see that this year.
8:33And it's also like, offense is a little top-heavy.
8:36You know, Adunze, Burden, Loveland, in terms of pass catchers.
8:38Like, if one misses a game, then you're like, okay, they're rolling out like a rookie and Khalif Raymond and, you know, potentially Cole Kamedu's fine.
8:45But, you know, obviously he's vaulted into more of a blocker as well.
8:48So that's something to think about with Williams. The other thing is, and my problem with him, he didn't...
8:53I didn't choose him as my bust, but he's a guy that I haven't drafted.
8:57And the reason is we talk about this tier, right?
9:00So let's say after like Joe Burrow's like quarterback six, like Dart, Lawrence, Prescott, Knicks, Purdy, Stafford, Caleb, Herbert, Mahomes.
9:05I have them all in a tier. Dart actually I have with Burrow, but everyone else is in a tier.
9:11The most expensive quarterback in that group is Caleb Williams.
9:13And that's my problem. I can get Dart two, three rounds later than Caleb Williams.
9:17And I like him more. So I just... And even if you don't like Dart, all of those other guys I listed,
9:23he's going ahead of all of them. So why would I pounce on him instead of just waiting upwards of four rounds
9:29and get a Bo Nix who was like I projected higher than him?
9:32Like it doesn't... That's the problem I've had with him during draft season.
9:36Money where my mouth is. I have Caleb Williams as my 15th ranked quarterback.
9:39Four have him in the top 10. And I believe two people have him as high as quarterback six overall.
9:45And our guy Matt Bowen is one of them.
9:47Matt Bowen knows serious ball. He's also based in Chicago.
9:50He knows this Bears team backwards and forwards. That was one of the reasons why I reconsidered Caleb moving on up in my rankings.
9:56But just love the quarterback depth overall this year.
9:58Who is your... And he has... He certainly has a high ceiling.
10:01We know that maybe he does make a leap forward and Ben Johnson's right.
10:05And they score a ton of points and he gets up there.
10:08But there's a lot of quarterbacks that fit that bill.
10:11I mean, it's just... It's so deep right now in that tier.
10:14So... And also, I think it's... We're going to like...
10:17I don't want to just deliver 20 qualifiers about how our picks may not be perfect, but they may be right enough.
10:23The only thing I will say is that a bust is not defined as like...
10:27I don't expect Caleb Williams to be quarterback 25 this year.
10:29Oh, no, no, no. Right? It's take a look at the players that are being drafted right around Caleb.
10:34Or perhaps even well behind Caleb, as you just discussed.
10:37Like Bo Nix. And is Caleb's juice worth the squeeze paying the full freight for that player?
10:42Who do you got, Mike? Mine is a little bit higher in our rankings.
10:45Actually quite a bit higher in our rankings. And again, I looked at the top 10 quarterbacks and I said, who is
10:51the guy here that maybe we're overvaluing a little bit or at least has a chance to be a bust?
10:56And we would say we should have saw that coming.
10:59And for me, it's Shaden Daniels. So he is QB2 on my board.
11:02But there's reasons to think maybe there's a chance the floor is low after what we saw last year.
11:07So again, outstanding in his rookie season, 2024. One rookie of the year.
11:1125 passing touchdowns. Six rushing touchdowns. Almost 900 rushing yards that year.
11:14But obviously, he was actually beat up quite a bit that season.
11:17He missed the bulk of that one game. I think it was the Eagles on Thursday night or something like that.
11:23I think he missed. He got hurt against the Panthers.
11:25It was the Panthers. Okay. Yeah. Last year, obviously, appeared in only seven games with the injury.
11:30But the other part of it last year is that when he was healthy, he wasn't quite as good in fantasy.
11:3520.9 fantasy points per game in 2024. 16.3 points per game.
11:38Last season, he was pacing for 675 rushing yards.
11:41It's obviously quite a bit down from 891 in his rookie season.
11:44And, you know, in terms of coaching and support cast, we've been kind of pointing that as potentially a positive, but it's not always a positive.
11:51You know, he does have a new play caller.
11:53That could change things from where he's been. Remember, there's a really fast-paced offense under Cliff Kingsbury.
11:57Maybe the plays are down this year. And, frankly, the supporting cast could be good, but it might be fine.
12:03Terry McLaurin. Stephon Diggs has, you know, kind of evolved his role a little bit last year in New England.
12:08And Chico Conquo has been fine so far, but we haven't seen him really break out into a star yet.
12:13So, not to mention the injury. It left tackle with Armie Tunsell who's going to miss a good chunk of the season.
12:19So, again, I remain optimistic about Jaden Daniels, but I could see a path to him kind of struggling this year.
12:25And also, there's been reports that they have struggled.
12:27The offense has been kind of getting roughed up, the offensive line specifically, who I've ranked very low, which is another reason why he is on my list.
12:34So, again, wide range of outcomes, I would say, for Jaden Daniels.
12:38A very high ceiling, but potentially a disaster. I have noticed that Commanders fans, and I understand this, by the way, they
12:43finally get a quarterback who gives them real hope and promise after what feels like decades worth of mediocrity at best in
12:49a lot of cases until Alex Smith arrived there and played well before he got hurt.
12:53It just feels like this is a franchise that's been waiting for somebody like Jaden Daniels.
12:58And understandably, Commanders fans don't want to hear that Jaden Daniels is not anything but the truth.
13:02I think that after two seasons, I lean much more heavily towards he is the truth.
13:06But last year did bring about some questions, and I was not expecting to ask, given how great that first season was.
13:12Yeah, no doubt about it. Again, I remain very optimistic about him, which is painful as an Eagles fan.
13:17I don't like how optimistic I am about the Giants, the Cowboys, and now Jaden Daniels.
13:21That's kind of scary, and you wonder if the Eagles are going to go over the other side very soon, and these
13:27other teams are going to be competitive. But anyway, we'll see what happens.
13:31So we're going to save Daniels' pick. But I will tell you that the three names that I considered for my quarterback
13:36bust are my pick, obviously, Caleb Williams, Mike's, and Jaden Daniels, and Daniels, who we will not reveal.
13:41Yeah, my first choice was who he has, but yeah.
13:44Let's go to running back bust here, Mike. And maybe, just maybe, we're fortunate that Daniels not here in this moment because
13:50my pick for running back bust is Amari and Hampton.
13:52I thought about it. My current RB13 tied with you for the lowest amongst ESPN rankers, so no surprise that you are also thinking about it.
13:59Daniel, obviously, is the highest of any ranker at ESPN.
14:02He's got a fifth in his running back rankings.
14:04Let me give you a couple of negative stats from last year.
14:07One specifically that has, is a little bit, it's a yellow flag at least for me, but it could be explained based off the offensive line.
14:14But there were 49 running backs that had 100 or more carries last season.
14:18Hampton ranked 46th in percentage of carries that gained yards.
14:20Like just a decent amount of meat left on the bone.
14:23Now, you could justifiably tell me that was an offensive line issue for the Chargers, and I could hear you out on that.
14:29And it was also a different scheme. I am acknowledging that.
14:32Again, we're trying to find small warts on players that we still have ranked as a top 13 back.
14:37The offensive line, they did invest heavily this offseason.
14:40They drafted four players. They paid Tyler Biotish three years and $30 million.
14:43He's now out for the year, so you can take him away from the equation right now.
14:48But both of their amazing tackles are healthy or healthy-ish at the moment.
14:51That's big. As you guys know, I love this scheme.
14:54So it's a little bit about the offensive line health and a little bit about the lack of gain rate last year from Amar and Hampton.
15:00But it really comes down to, I think that the most optimistic rankings and outcomes from Amar and Hampton revolve around him being the guy unto himself.
15:08And just so many other players, the guys that are being ranked in the first five to six of running backs, really
15:13don't, they either have no threat whatsoever for work behind them, right?
15:17A la B. John Robinson and Jameer Gibbs. Or they're guys that are such good bets to rush for 1,200 yards and 12 touchdowns.
15:23Derrick Henry, who does have some threat behind him because if they're playing from behind, it's going to be Justice Hill.
15:28Jonathan, maybe James Cook. James Cook, if they're speeding the ball up, then they would throw Ray Davis or more likely Tyler Johnson, Ty Johnson into the mix.
15:36Bottom line is that Amar and Hampton to me is being drafted at times at the ceiling.
15:40And I'm not entirely sure the ceiling is there.
15:43Keaton Mitchell is a legit player. Yeah. That contract has been in my brain all off.
15:47Yeah. That has led me to adjust things a little bit too.
15:50Is this the hyper on Keaton Mitchell? I think there's a little like, I'm not getting carried away.
15:55I feel like many have gotten really carried away with it, but he's going to be involved.
15:59And if that's pulling Hampton off the field and key spots, not to mention they, Mike McTaniel said they're going to use three backs.
16:06And again, I'm not taking it super seriously, but if Kamani Vidal plays 10 snaps a game, that's 10 less for Hampton.
16:11And maybe he's at 50% of the snaps or 55.
16:14Like it, it does. It doesn't make me sink him in my rankings to somewhere like terrible.
16:19It's not like RB 25, but it could knock him down behind like Brees Hall or, you know, Saquon and Henry and those kinds of guys.
16:25And because those guys are so close. I will also point this out to 4.4 yards per carry as a rookie, but
16:31remember the sample was kind of small, so we can pick it apart a little bit.
16:35He had that one huge game where he had like 12 carries and over a hundred yards against the giants.
16:41If you remove that, which again, I'm not saying you just remove the best plays, but that was one game.
16:46It falls to 3.7 and he was below like 3.8 yards per carry in a lot of games last year.
16:51It wasn't like it was just a fluke thing.
16:54Like that, that one game really did influence things a lot.
16:57And for the season, he caught most of his targets, which was good.
17:00I think he had the best catch rate actually at running back, but he only averaged five and a half yards per target, which is not good.
17:07So 35 was his 32 catches on 35. Yeah.
17:09Yeah. So, and again, interior O-line concerns, how much does the efficiency go up?
17:13So I think you can pick it apart for a bunch of reasons here.
17:17Not to mention that I've, I've said this before.
17:19Or I'm not quite as sure that like Mike McDaniel's the guy that's going to come in here and just make it
17:25go from an offense that really struggled to an elite offense.
17:28I don't know why it's just assumed that's going to be the case.
17:31So I don't know. I just feel like somebody is doing something wrong.
17:35If it's that easy to flip that switch to a Mike McDaniel and suddenly you're an elite offense.
17:39Like, what have you been doing? Like Jim Harbaugh is a smart guy.
17:43What have you been doing the last two years?
17:45I think he's been at times too stubborn for sure.
17:48Maybe that's it. Maybe I could be wrong. To me, it's, and I do believe this will be an elite offense.
17:53Did you see Justin Herbert last night? Chuck that thing to Quentin Johnson?
17:57You know, I almost, I almost posted this on social and I should have, but I was like, I, my thought was,
18:03I can't wait for that to happen again. Like in weeks three, seven and 15 next year.
18:07That's every other week. Quentin Johnson's useless, but he's going to do that on your bench all year long.
18:12Let me just give one more piece of context.
18:15Yeah. One more piece of context on Keaton Mitchell.
18:17Again, two years, $11 million. This isn't Travis H.
18:19Hand for four years and $53 million. But there's a point when you pay a running back five and a half million dollars a year.
18:26It's going to, he's going to have a role.
18:28What's the number one trait that Mike McDaniel loves?
18:31It's speed, right? Speed leads to big plays. Since 2023, when you look at every player that's had at least a hundred
18:36carries, because there's probably a couple of random guys that got some reverses or something.
18:40Keaton Mitchell has gained at least 10 yards on 18.2% of his carries.
18:44That's number one in the NFL. Like he is kind of a vision of what Mike McDaniel wants a running back to look like.
18:50Not saying Mike McDaniel doesn't think very highly of Amari and Hampton.
18:53He's on the record there. It's just if Amari and Hampton is playing 62% of the snaps versus 72% of the snaps,
18:59that might be enough for him to go behind.
19:01Yeah, for sure. He's going to limit the ceiling.
19:04He may not be RB13. He may be RB17 in that instance.
19:07Who's your running back pick? All right. My running back pick is, and I'll totally own this.
19:12This is a little bit of a layup here.
19:14I'm taking Josh Jacobs. There's plenty of reasons for concern here.
19:17But the fact is, we also had some news yesterday regarding him to charge with two misdemeanors.
19:21We'll see where that leads, of course. But I think there's a lot of reasons to think that at his current ADP,
19:27which is the third round, it's just like, don't do it right now.
19:30Like, just press pause on Josh Jacobs. We also saw, after a really strong start to the season, he missed a little bit of time with the injury.
19:38And then his production and usage really plummeted down the stretch last season, 11.3 fantasy points per game.
19:43Overall, he was still effective. He scored a ton of touchdowns since he's been with the Packers.
19:47But he had that groin injury. We have a potential suspension coming at some point.
19:51We don't know for sure. But that could come at some point this season.
19:55And keep this in mind, he's 28 years old.
19:57And I've picked guys apart for this plenty. Over the last five seasons, there's only 12 instances of a running back age
20:0320 or older finishing top 15 at running back.
20:05And fantasy points. And some of those are the same guys.
20:08Like Derrick Henry said it a few times. That's a 16% hit rate.
20:12I've said the guys like Henry and CMC tend to be unicorns.
20:15I don't know if Josh Jacobs fits that building.
20:17I don't think. He fits more in like the Dalvin Cook, Joe Mixon, that sort of Aaron Jones, where I think around
20:23this time it's going to start to fall off a little bit.
20:26So I think a healthy, non-suspended Jacobs and a really good offense has a shot for one more really good fantasy year.
20:32Where he can be a borderline RB1. But with all of the other issues here, where he's going in drafts, very, very high chance of busting this year.
20:39Let's own or try to do our best to sort of talk through this legal situation here, Mike.
20:44I think these are, and they're not the most important thing.
20:47I think these are the hardest bits of ranking analysis to do when there's something like a legal situation hanging over a player.
20:53What do you really say? Right? Like we don't know what the next step is.
20:57We don't know whether Josh Jacobs is going to face significant punishment.
21:00We don't know whether Josh Jacobs is going to face no punishment.
21:03It's not nearly as important as real life. Like fantasy football is not nearly as important for it.
21:08But as of right now, like last night I did a draft.
21:11And I was not going to draft Josh Jacobs.
21:14Probably at all. Like I figured, I just figured somebody else would do it before I did.
21:18But in my first four or five picks, like I was not considering Josh Jacobs.
21:22We don't really have a good answer on what Josh Jacobs' next legal steps are.
21:26And his fantasy value is not nearly as important as the real life ramifications of that.
21:30Exactly right. But I understand if people at this moment in time, until there's clarity, are saying, you know what?
21:35I'm just going to let somebody else do it because I'm concerned about what's going to happen next in that legal situation.
21:41Yeah, no doubt. We're just doing our job here.
21:44The fact is we're out on him for now.
21:46And obviously we're prioritizing Marshawn Lloyd, who looks the part now, looks like he's healthy now, and heads in the right direction.
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22:48Round pick for me last night was Marshawn Lloyd.
22:50And we now have Daniel Dopp here. There he is.
22:53Hey, bud. That's right, my friends. Your favorite Double D is here.
22:56We can start the bus show now. And I'm excited to be able to be here with you guys.
23:01What's going on, Fields? What's going on? I don't understand.
23:04Sorry. I, um... Inappropriate. I have no words right now.
23:06Welcome. We have covered our running backs and our quarterbacks so far for bus.
23:10I heard that. Yes. How about we go back to QB and running back, and you just take them over from there?
23:16Real quick, I will just say this, and Mike and I talked about this for a little bit.
23:21Jalen Hurts is going to be my potential bust here.
23:23If you look at what Jalen Hurts... Yes. Oh, he is my bust.
23:27But if I'm picking someone like we had talked about, it's really tough because I listened to the top of the show while I was sitting in traffic.
23:34Oh, is that right? Yes. Yes, I did. Your energy is great right now.
23:38Yeah. How was it? How was it? Top of the show was good.
23:41It was good? Yeah. What's that, like a letter grade?
23:44Like a B to B plus. I didn't get many of those back in the day, so I'll take it.
23:49Yeah. That's better than what I usually get when I do Mike's mocks.
23:53So, like, B to B plus is pretty good for what it's worth.
23:56I mean, we usually get a C, so it sounds like it's better.
23:59Yeah, better. I got to see my draft. Yes.
24:02Okay. I got it. Okay. All right. Got it.
24:04Jalen Hurts, last couple of years, we've just seen the efficiency fall off, start to fall off a little bit.
24:09Four years ago, he averaged 25 points per game.
24:12Two and three years ago, he averaged 21.5 points per game.
24:15Last year, that fell to 18.7. The rushing efficiency has fallen off a little bit.
24:19The efficiency of the tush push, shout out to my girl Liz Loza, who gave me this, under 63% efficiency on the tush push last season.
24:26I think that when we're looking at this now, there's no A.J.
24:29Brown. There's just a lot of easy narratives to be able to line up to.
24:33If there was one quarterback that we all still think is that cheat code because of the running inside of the top
24:38five at QB, Jalen Hurts just feels like the one that is the obvious bust where things could maybe not go right
24:44and he could finish outside of the potentially top 10.
24:47I agree. I thought about going this direction as well because it wasn't just the tush push.
24:51It was overall rushing. Everything. Substantially last year. I don't know if that's going to change.
24:56They do have a new play caller in Sean Manning, which if you're an Eagles fan and you watch them closely, I
25:01mean, it's amazing that they were as competitive as they were last year because that offense was extremely bad.
25:06They were, I think, during the top of the league in three and outs.
25:10Like, it was really, really poor last year. So, the hope is that Sean Manning, he's going to change things more, probably
25:16more under center, more play action, things like that.
25:18Hopefully, that'll improve the efficiency. But to your point, the supporting cast, not quite as good either.
25:23They're going to spread it around a little more.
25:25And A.J. Brown, we know, is a real difference maker.
25:28So, he's fascinating. I still think he does enough with his legs and the offense will be good enough that he'll hang as a mid-range QB one.
25:35But I don't think the ceiling's what it used to be.
25:38And I think that if he doesn't run, if he just is committed to not running that much, he might fall and
25:44be a fringe QB one, not a mid-range. And that means his ADP is a little too high.
25:48They're also moving away from the Jalen Hurts-centric offense.
25:51Like, this is now a timing and rhythm passing offense, at least according to the Eagles themselves.
25:55That's good for him. Yeah, we'll see. Like, if he can do that.
25:59I said that's good. No, you said that's new for him, right?
26:02Yeah, yeah. That's a change. Because I don't know.
26:04That's a new variable. Yeah, that is, I would say that Jalen Hurts has not, throughout his career, been regarded as a
26:10top five timing and rhythm passing quarterback. Agreed. Obviously, you guys never throw him for 4,000 yards into season.
26:15I think his career high in touchdown passes is 26.
26:18So if they're taking away some of the run and focusing on the pass, we'll see whether he can level up there.
26:23Daniel, who is your running back pick? And then after this, we're going to go to the mailbag, and I'll let you take over hosting dude.
26:30Love it. Love it. I actually shut the show off when you started talking about Amari and Hampton as a bus field.
26:36I got to be honest. It hurt my heart a little bit, but I understand why.
26:40I said you weren't. I know. I know. Earmuffs from that one.
26:43My bus is Quinshawn Judkins. Okay. Because this is another, it's just a narrative situation for me, right?
26:48You look at what is one of, does he play on the worst offense out of all the top 20 running backs in the NFL?
26:55Question. Yes. Is Dylan Gabriel under center in this scenario or not?
26:58Great question. If we knew, it might be easier to prognosticate, guys.
27:01I don't know if that matters. Yeah. I don't think.
27:04I'm being funny. Who knows? He was ridiculous. He was like so classic preseason football.
27:08So this is the thing with, this is the thing with Quinshawn Judkins and this Browns offense.
27:12I am just nervous. Wow. He could easily be the guy.
27:15I actually, if I had to pick a Brown, I would probably rather have Quinshawn Judkins over anyone else.
27:20I'm even a little worried about Harold Fann and just with how bad that passing game has looked.
27:25But it was bad last year. And he was good.
27:27It was bad last year. They're going to run that thing.
27:30It was bad last year. And then they added a handful of first round picks at the Wiser.
27:35That's fair. He also had about 25% of his total targets in two games.
27:39Yeah. Yeah. So with Quinshawn Judkins, it's just if this offense isn't going to be good, touchdown equity is probably going to be low.
27:45He is a very good pass catcher. I think when he is asked to catch the ball.
27:50But Dylan Sampson is there too. He's a really nice change of pace guy out of the backfield.
27:54Oh, Mike, you gave me a little bit of head nod for that one.
27:58You're not sure about Dylan Sampson? Not good rushing efficiency.
28:01I didn't say anything about rushing efficiency. I said he's a pass catcher.
28:04Well, he's not a threat though. I mean, Judkins was over 70% of their carries last year.
28:09I hear what you're saying. Like there's, I don't want to poke.
28:12I'm just saying. I don't want to poke yet.
28:14Go ahead. As a third down roll, there is a chance that he's not just going to be on the field all the time.
28:21Dylan Sampson will have a role as a pass catching running back in this backfield from time to time as a part of everything.
28:27And just with how bad this offense can be, I think that he is the worst running back on the worst team
28:33within all of the top 20 running backs. It just gives me the least excitement out of anybody to draft.
28:38There's no ceiling here. The ceiling is they're down by 100 points every game, which they might be.
28:43It might be. Yeah. And they just have to have dump off city because he's not going to get huge rushing efficiency
28:48or rushing touchdowns if they're trailing every single game.
28:51I could see him being off the field if they're trailing every game.
28:54Like, I do think they will legitimately play a lot of Dylan Sampson if they're down by 10 or more points.
29:00Yeah, very possible. I did face the heaviest box, the heaviest boxes in the NFL among qualified running backs last season, which may not change much this season.
29:07That's not going to change. Yeah, exactly. But here's my pushback on this one.
29:11Okay. If we're talking about all of these running backs in like the RB1 and RB2 territory, let's just say the top
29:1720, which has generally been our kind of our cutoff before you get to like Bucky Irving and DeAndre Swift and guys like that.
29:23He's the cheapest. He's going in the fourth, fifth round of 12 team leagues.
29:27Like, so that to me feels like a value for a guy that, yeah, might have.
29:31There's a reason he's not going in the second or third round, you know, and I think you just kind of laid out those issues.
29:37If he was going that high, I'd be like, yeah, that's a problem.
29:41I would not be touching him in that area.
29:43But I think where he's going, a guy that can get, he's a candidate to lead the NFL in carries.
29:49I mean, it's going to, they're going to have to be somewhat competitive, but he's probably going to, they're going to try
29:54to get him 20, 25 carries every single game.
29:57And last year, he averaged two and a half targets per game.
30:00That could go up a little bit in year two.
30:03Remember, he is very young. He's one of the youngest running backs in the NFL.
30:07So he's a capable. I love him. That was part of his game.
30:10Yeah. Don't miss that. Yeah. Like he, as a prospect, he was really good.
30:14I mean, he has the chance to be one of the feature run, one of the best runners in the NFL.
30:19I mean, let's say five years from now, we look back at the prior five years.
30:23You might say Judkins is third in the NFL in carries over the last five years.
30:28Like he, he should be on that list. So Cleveland gets somehow better than maybe.
30:32But I mean, even last year, he had a ton, ton of carries last year.
30:36So I'm still optimistic about him and where he's going, especially if you're looking for a little, like a good solid RB
30:41two in the fifth round, fourth round. I'm happy to do it.
30:44Nothing like sticking to the structure of the rules and still getting told your pick was wrong because it's too low within the structure of the rules.
30:52Oh, you did a great job, Daniel. Well done.
30:54Thank you. All right, let's go to the questions.
30:56It feels like it's so weird sitting in this chair.
30:59Yeah, this is like, it feels like trying to write left-handed right now.
31:02It's awkward, but go ahead, Daniel. All right, let's take some questions from our YouTube chat.
31:07My friends shout out to our buddy, Eric Moody, by the way, Scott McClory.
31:10He was active in there earlier while I was watching question for the panelists.
31:14Are you a true bust? If you are healthy and just plain suck or do injuries affect your true bust status?
31:20Great question here from you guys. Yeah. To me, it's definitely, it's like, just go back in time to last year, right?
31:25Let's use two former LSU wide receivers. Justin Jefferson was a gigantic bust last year because he played all season and not because of himself.
31:32His output sucked. Malik Nabors got hurt in the fourth week.
31:35Now he wasn't, he did not come out of the gates as strong as we had hoped for.
31:40He did have, I think one gigantic game in there, but it wasn't three straight top five weeks and then he got
31:45hurt, but he was not a bust in my eyes because like he tore his ACL.
31:50Like that's just bad luck. Right. That's bad fortune.
31:52Yeah. Everything is kind of different. Like Brian Thomas was a straight up bust.
31:56Justin Jefferson is a bust, but the qualifier is, it wasn't his fault.
31:59Malik Nabors is a bust for a different, and then, you know, he got hurt.
32:03So I don't know. It's, I don't consider that a bust.
32:06The only guys, I agree. I agree. If I'm going to make a bust list, like I, we do that.
32:11We do like awards. Like I didn't consider Malik Nabors.
32:14Like he wasn't on my list last year, but Justin Jefferson.
32:17Yeah. I think so. Even though it wasn't his fault.
32:19I would like to say from an emotional standpoint, I would still consider them a bust, but they're in a different category
32:25that I don't hold against them in the same way.
32:28The only time I would put an injury guy in a...
32:31Your pick's still busted. That's fair. Yes. That's totally fair.
32:33I would say this, to defend Daniel a little bit here.
32:36Oh, right. I like this. If Christian McCaffrey gets hurt this year...
32:39I was just going to use that example. No!
32:42It's going to feel like a real bust. Yeah.
32:44Right? Because there's been enough recent injury history that there are people like Daniel that are like, I'm not going to do it.
32:50Right? And then sometimes you do it. I think a good quality...
32:53I would finish it. No, no. So that's where I land up.
32:57Like, generally speaking, nine times out of ten, if a guy's hurt, it doesn't apply.
33:01I think maybe a good way to look at it is, like, if you could have predicted it...
33:05Like, you can't... Like, okay, neighbors tore his ACL.
33:08Like, no one was going to sit here last year and be like, I think he's a bust because he's going to tear his ACL.
33:14Like, you couldn't do that. But Justin Jefferson, you could have been like, McCarthy just doesn't have it.
33:19This is going to be a disaster. And, like, you sort of could have seen that coming in a way.
33:24Like, if you've... I'm sure some people were lower on him for that reason.
33:28So maybe that's the way to do it. Yeah, that's fair.
33:31I would say, like, I think he's asked for our personal parameters of busts, unless it's a player that comes into the
33:37season and he either has an injury history or is dealing with an injury during training camp.
33:41Yep. I am not considering that a bust if he...
33:44Like, if Jameer Gibbs has something happen, sorry to know, God willing, that does not happen.
33:48That's right. If something does happen, I will not...
33:50I would feel like that's just a really crappy string of bad luck.
33:54Yeah. All right. Next question from our YouTube chat.
33:56This one comes from Adam Hinton. Adam wants to know, really worried.
33:59Jonathan Taylor is going to be a big bust this year.
34:02Are you any concerned about this Colts offense with him?
34:05I would love the why. Yeah, exactly right. This is kind of what I was just saying.
34:09Like, if he is now, what's the case there?
34:12Because if you have a case... Let's say we're looking back in December and he was a bust, it'd be like, why did we miss that?
34:19Right. So, that would be... Again, unless he has a serious injury.
34:22So, the case... I don't have a good case for this one, though.
34:25The case would just be that he's got two seasons of 370-ish touches.
34:29And so, a third consecutive season, does that make your body...
34:32And we're not projecting injuries, but does that make your body more susceptible to the wear and tear of a third season?
34:37Like, that's the hard part that's like, does it make you a bust?
34:41Or does it make you like someone that... I think about it, but I'm not sure that it weighs that heavily.
34:46I'm trying to imagine what the case for this user was.
34:49And maybe he's responded in the chat and we can get some feedback from the production staff.
34:54Is he potentially... Remember, you've highlighted the stat. It was, what, 12.2 fantasy points per game with Daniel Jones off the field?
34:59Yeah. Maybe it's, you know, concerned about his health and Daniel Jones' effectiveness.
35:03Sure. But he's probably the second best pure runner in the NFL, right behind Derrick Henry.
35:07He's a better pass catcher, at least a more prolific pass catcher than Derrick Henry.
35:11He's going to be amongst elite leaders in goal-to-go opportunities.
35:14And that might actually go up this year because the Colts might protect Daniel Jones a little bit.
35:18So, I think safe is a really dangerous word.
35:21I tend to think of JT as one of the more safe second half of the first round picks.
35:26Yeah, led the NFL in carries and touchdowns. Second in carries inside the five.
35:30And career highs across the board in all the receiving categories, which were all top 10 at that position.
35:35And to answer your question, he went from 24.8 points per game with Daniel Jones all the way down to 12.9.
35:40Final month and a half of the season. So...
35:42And by the way, he's 27. He still has a couple good years left.
35:46As far as floor plays go, there's... Again, it's hard to call anyone that, but he fits that bill.
35:51Amon Rao's probably the safest player in the first round, right?
35:54I think so. Amon Rao? Like, just because you're also getting a half-round discount.
35:58Not that Jamar Chase or Puka are like, if they're healthy or big threats to not be great.
36:02Same with Bijan and Jameer. But like, the stakes are a little bit different.
36:06Like, if you get Amon Rao in eight, you're like, all right, yeah, that's about where he deserves to go.
36:11I really... I love the stat that I use for the fantasy marathon.
36:15If I'm allowed to use it one more time, guys.
36:18Ask Mike. He's the stat guy. There is only one wide receiver in the NFL that has three consecutive seasons with 115 receptions.
36:24That's Amon Rao. There's also only one wide receiver with three consecutive seasons with 1,250 receiving yards.
36:28That's Amon Rao. There's also only one wide receiver with three consecutive 10 touchdown seasons.
36:32I have one, too. And I play this game?
36:34And that's Amon Rao St. Brown. I play this game, too?
36:37Please, yes. Only one receiver in league history with 90-plus catches, each of their first five NFL seasons.
36:42I got it. Mason Tipton. Amon Rao St. Brown.
36:44That's Amon Rao St. Brown. Yeah. Unbelievable. Shall we go to the wide receivers?
36:48Yeah, let's talk about some wide receiver busts, my friend.
36:51Let's do it. Start with you, Field Yates. With my running back pick, I took Daniel to task.
36:55So with my wide receiver pick, I'm going to take Mike to task here.
36:59I appreciate you doing this. I'm not dramatically lower on this player compared to my ESPN colleagues.
37:04I have him as my wide receiver 14. ESPN has him in consensus rankings as wide receiver 13.
37:08But if I told you there was a player that we're currently ranking as wide receiver 13, that in his career has
37:14four career games with 25 or more fantasy points and 23 games under 10 fantasy points, you'd say to yourself, a little dicey, right?
37:21Probably a bad quarterback play. Correct. That's exactly what you'd be saying.
37:24Bad quarterback play. Does it get better this year?
37:26I'm not so sure it does. It does. Difference of opinion here.
37:29He has nine weeks as a top 15 finisher in his career.
37:32He has 17 weeks being outside the top 30 entirely, right?
37:35So it feels like Garrett Wilson, who is, of course, my pick, if you couldn't already figure that out, is just a
37:41little too Jekyll and Hyde for me relative to some of the other wide receivers that are going to be taken around there.
37:47Just laughing that you're one spot lower. I said that, though.
37:50I said that, right? I know. I know. I know.
37:53But it just made me laugh. There are others that fit this category.
37:56We talked about Zay Flowers as a potential breakout candidate.
37:59Just a couple of years ago. There might be a cross section of the crowd that's saying, hey, like, how do you
38:05not feel that way about Zay Flowers? I hear you.
38:07I just have much more confidence in Lamar Jackson and this new Baltimore offense than I do Geno Smith and the Jets offense.
38:13Do you remember the last player, last wide receiver to average at least 15 points per game with Geno Smith as his QB?
38:19Wait, the last receiver too? Yeah. I mean, he had three top 16 receivers in Seattle.
38:24Lockett, Matt Caval, and the question. Mike, the question was 15 points per game.
38:2715 points per game. Is it one of those three?
38:30JSN? Metcalf? It is DK Metcalf. Metcalf, okay. Do you know what it was, though?
38:34No. 2021. It's been a while. Five years ago.
38:36Five years ago. Now, do they have a good receiving trio and they spread it around?
38:40You can make that case. But bottom line is, I just have a lot less confidence in Geno Smith than I know Mike does.
38:47And I have a lot less confidence in his overall Jets operation.
38:50I'm just concerned about this being one where he wins you two weeks this year and you feel like he loses you five weeks this year.
38:57I think he's the clear alpha, whereas no one really emerges that when he was in Seattle.
39:01I know as good as DK Metcalf was, Tyler Lockett was a huge part of that.
39:05And that year you're talking about? Yeah. Maybe Metcalf didn't have, or maybe I guess Metcalf did have 15 points, but Tyler
39:11Lockett was also top 16 in fantasy points that season.
39:14The next year, Metcalf was hurt and missed some games, but Lockett had a big season.
39:18The year after that, JSN was top 10 in fantasy points.
39:21I mean, Seattle was top 10 in passing yards and wide receiver fantasy points during that three years.
39:26I'm less confident. I don't know. Maybe I don't know.
39:28Just last year, maybe I just watched too much football last year.
39:32I watched the Raiders. That's what happened. That's your problem.
39:34This is how Mike wins arguments. He just throws numbers at you like fast and furious.
39:38He was top 10 three years ago. Two years ago, Tyler Lockett was top 15.
39:42Last year, he got this NFL. It's like a super soaker.
39:45He was just pounding you. Exactly. You know what?
39:48Just give me the towel. I'm relenting. I'm relenting, Michael.
39:50Fine. You're like, I walked in here, sat down, started ripping off Jalen Hurts.
39:54Actually, it's weird. You know what? It's like when you're playing paintball and it's like someone hits you.
39:59Oh my gosh. And that hurts. Yes. Like, just stop.
40:01I'm out. Like, hands in the air, I'm done.
40:04Is that a punishment? Like, just paintballed. No. We need to put that on the punishment.
40:08So you shouldn't even brought it up on the show field.
40:11Bad idea right there. Why'd you do that? For those reasons, I'm out.
40:14I'm Garrett Wilson with bust potential. Mike doesn't feel that way.
40:17Daniel, do you agree or disagree? Or are you kind of neutral on this one?
40:21I completely understand the bust potential of Garrett Wilson.
40:24Did you consider him at all? So do I.
40:26I'm just making the positive. Yeah. Did I consider him?
40:29I did not. Because I already knew who my bust wide receiver was.
40:32I've kind of been talking about it for a while.
40:35Okay. Let's hear your bust wide receiver then. My bust wide receiver is Nico Collins with where he is at.
40:40Nico Collins, as I have said to you guys before, in his five seasons, Nico Collins, three years, has spent time on the injured reserve list.
40:47Missed at least four games because of that. We're in a situation where he continually misses time.
40:51Has never played a full season. Not one time has he played a full healthy season.
40:55He's being drafted at the back end of your wide receiver one conversation.
40:59I am still unbelievably worried about this offensive line and C.J.
41:02Stroud's ability to be able to have time in the pocket to find his guy, Nico Collins, deep.
41:07Nico doesn't live in the slot. He's not having short area targets.
41:10He's not a short area king. He's a guy that runs down the field, catches the long ball, and that's what he does well.
41:16C.J. Stroud has got to have the ability to have a pocket to be able to do that.
41:21And it makes me nervous that of all the wide receivers that we're taking in that range, he's the one I feel
41:27like has the biggest bust potential because of not only the quarterback play.
41:30I know we were just talking about Geno Smith.
41:32I'm not sure. I really think C.J. Stroud is that good of a quarterback, to be honest.
41:37And maybe if he had a better pocket and he had a lot more time back there, I would feel differently.
41:42But after what I saw in his rookie season, it's just felt like regression city ever since.
41:47So I am out on Nico Collins and think that he is one of the biggest bust potentials because of the fact
41:53that he's being drafted as a low-end wide receiver one.
41:55Yeah. This one surprised me. We've talked about this before.
41:58What has changed for him? Like, what is the difference from, like, say, the last three years to this year with Nico Collins?
42:04Like, what am I missing? I feel like I'm missing something.
42:07I'll give you the answer. He has finished top 10 in fantasy points per game three years in a row now.
42:12So what is different this year that makes him that he's going to plummet?
42:16That's where I don't understand. I was thinking about this one here a little bit.
42:20Also, you highlighted our point. While you pull it upfield.
42:23No, no, you go. While you said he's finished top 10 in fantasy points per game for three years in a row.
42:29And I told you that three of the last five seasons, he has spent time on the injured reserve list.
42:34Yeah. I don't want to draft a wide receiver one that has an injury history that's found him on the IR over half of his career.
42:41But he finished eighth in total points last year, too.
42:43Last year he did. Yeah. But do you believe that injury history still exists?
42:47Maybe. I don't put a lot of stock into it.
42:50Okay. I think it's something that's easy to look back at it, but it's hard to predict it forward, which is why I'm so conservative with injury projections.
42:57I don't think that... But I just don't know what has changed for him.
43:01He feels like a floor play to me. I don't...
43:03I think what Nico Collins crystallizes really well is we talk about wide receiver depth all the time, right?
43:08And there are players that we like that are ranked like wide receiver 34.
43:12You're like, I could totally see it with... I don't even know who wide receiver 34 is.
43:16I think it's like Cortland Sutton. That's a great point.
43:19We could all agree. Cortland Sutton could work at wide receiver 20 or something.
43:23Yes, sure. And because we have positive outlooks for like 34 guys, it would make you think that there's got to be
43:29like 10 or 12 that you think are totally money in the bank.
43:32When the reality is there is a dip somewhere after those like first five or six receivers.
43:37It's pretty notable. Just go through some of Nico's games from last year, right?
43:40First week, three for 25. Three for 52 with a touchdown.
43:43Eight for 104 with a touchdown. Okay, now you're like, we're back on track.
43:47And then he goes three straight games with exactly four catches.
43:50Then he goes three games with seven, seven, and nine.
43:52And then the rest of the season, one, two, three, four, five, six.
43:56He ends the year with six games with five or fewer catches.
43:59That doesn't sound like a floor play to me.
44:01It is though. I mean, I have him. His bus rate was 10th best among wide receivers.
44:06And he had one of the highest top 10 rates as well.
44:09I mean, I disagree. I just think it's wide receivers are more volatile.
44:12Yeah. So, but it just, so maybe the, yeah.
44:15So it brings me to the back of the point of like, you know, the Pukas, the JSNs, the Amonra's, maybe a
44:21few more that you could put into that category.
44:23Like maybe a Justin Jefferson reverts to form. CeeDee Lamb reverts to form there.
44:27Rashi Rice, if he can stay healthy and on the field for the Chiefs can be that guy.
44:31Drake London, you know, it just paints that picture that maybe that drop-off hits right before Nico Collins comes off the board, Daniel.
44:37I would like to also state really quickly that while Nico Collins was, what did you say?
44:42Did he finish as wide receiver 11 in points per game last year?
44:45Eight wide receivers, seven in total points or something like that.
44:48Yeah. He was eighth total, 10th, top 10 points per game.
44:51That was with no running backs on their roster.
44:54And I'm taking a shot at Woody Marks here.
44:56But like they brought in David Montgomery to be a guy.
44:59They want him to be someone that they did not have last year because Joe Mixon didn't exist for this team.
45:04He did it. He was top 10 with Joe Mixon two years ago.
45:08He was wide receiver 23 two years ago. And what?
45:10Per game? No. Total points. Okay. He missed games.
45:13He was top 10 in points per game. So you're looking at points per game.
45:17Which matters. You don't get zero when he's out.
45:19No, but I have to go to my bench to go find someone else that's not Nico Collins.
45:24Okay. But you have to add back replacement level.
45:26I don't know. I just don't get how we're poking holes in this guy.
45:30I mean, even you just compared him to Zay Flowers.
45:33I can tell you. He was top 10 more than Zay Flowers.
45:36He finished 11 to 20 more than Zay Flowers.
45:38Zay Flowers crushed him in 21 to 30 finishes.
45:40That was a higher floor. And then in terms of outside, the top 30, they were about to say.
45:45I believe I know why. And this is Daniel's pick, not mine.
45:49I think last year we were all preparing for Nico Collins to lift off.
45:52It was like he is going to graduate from like awesome wide receiver to like he might be a top five wide out.
45:58Like I remember last year. I remember this league, of course, distinctly because it's high leverage.
46:03The war room. I had the ninth pick last year.
46:05And I was like, I think I'm going to take Nico Collins ninth overall.
46:09That's how optimistic I was. I ended up not.
46:11And I somehow got him, I guess, at 25 was when I picked in the second round.
46:16It's a 16 team league. And I was like, I just got to steal the draft.
46:20Nico Collins. We were like, I thought this guy was about ready to go to the moon.
46:25And he didn't. He had a solid season. But I think we were banking on the spectacular because there are moments of spectacular.
46:31Yep. And as of this year, Daniel does not view him as a guy going into the spectacular.
46:35Seven weeks outside the top 25 of wide receivers last year.
46:38Plus he missed time again this year. That's good though.
46:41That's good compared to other wide receivers. That's what I'm saying.
46:44Wide receivers are so volatile. You're going to have numbers like that.
46:47It's like, I don't think it's fair to compare him to Chase, Nakua, JSN, Amon.
46:51If that's what you're doing, then fine. You're right.
46:53He's a tier down from them. But we have him ranked as such.
46:57I have an idea. He's going to the second or third round.
47:00I mean. I hear you. I hear you here.
47:02I don't know. I, again, I'm just. I don't get this one.
47:05It almost feels like you don't get this one, Mike.
47:08I can't tell from your tone. Mine is a better one.
47:11Mine is Ted Aromac. Oh, of course. All right.
47:13All right. Go ahead, Mike. All right. We'll just pivot off that.
47:16We could do a whole show. I have an idea, though.
47:19It's how to make this work at the end.
47:22And look, I might be totally wrong on Nico, but I'm not.
47:25I'm asking you to explain to me what I'm missing and you're not doing that.
47:29I don't know what it is. I don't think that you have the emotional side of football like I do.
47:34I truly think that's it. I don't. I don't think that you think about football the way like I do.
47:39But I feel like if I've had Nico. There is no but.
47:43There's no but. But if I've had Nico, I wouldn't be emotionally scarred by him.
47:47I feel like just because he misses games here or there when he plays, he's good.
47:51No, this actually, Mike, is like it's almost annoying how good you are at this.
47:55But like. I don't compartmentalize like that. Correct. Like I care too much.
47:58I'm just being honest. You're so good at being like, yeah, but he was whatever.
48:02I guess that's it. Like maybe you guys had drafted him last year as like, I think he's going to make the
48:08JSN leap and he hasn't done that. So you're like, oh, he's just not.
48:12He's he disappointed me where I'm just like, he's kind of been.
48:15Honestly, I'm just a sappy emotional guy. And sometimes when my teams don't win the.
48:19That has to be. But that's what I'm trying to understand.
48:22Like I'm legit asking. That's what we're saying. He's over half of his time in the NFL.
48:26He has gone under the injured reserve list. I don't want to draft a wide receiver that has spent more time on
48:32IR than they've spent time off IR. When you look at three of his five seasons.
48:36That's not true, though. What do you mean? He doesn't spend more time on IR than three of his five years.
48:42He has spent time on the injured reserve list.
48:44OK, so sometimes I spend sometimes I think about it and we have 14 minutes left.
48:48We're going to get to our time. Yeah, we got to fly through.
48:52Doubtful. I have a lot to say on Tucker.
48:54You won't get time. We live obviously in Connecticut and there are three teams that really move the needle around here for fans.
49:00Right. Patriots. Yep. The Jets and the Giants. And so I know a lot of Giants fans as a result of being in Connecticut.
49:06And I have a lot of Giants fans that are just so disgruntled and frustrated over their team year in and year out.
49:12God damn it. Our offense sucked again last year.
49:15We underperform. Yada, yada, yada. And I always feel like my retort to them is like, if I could tell you that
49:21over a 20 year span, you would be you would win two Super Bowls.
49:24Would you take the other 18 outcomes regardless of what they are?
49:28As a Lions fan, I would say yes. In a heartbeat.
49:30Yes. And so that's me putting on my Mike Clay hat for a second because yes, they've won two of the past
49:3620 Super Bowls and in arguably two of the biggest upsets during that time as well.
49:40They don't care about that. I mean, they do care about that, but it doesn't mean that they're not incredibly frustrated by the fair point.
49:47Lose every game, not every game, every year they've lost way more games than they expected to.
49:51So I get that is the Mike versus Daniel side of the New York Giants argument that hopefully brings it to light.
49:57Let's get to your pick, Mike Teddero McMillan, and then we'll do tight ends and say goodbye.
50:02Teddero McMillan, offense rookie of the year last year.
50:04I think you know where I'm going with this 16th and fantasy points, 22nd points per game, but he had one top 10.
50:10We didn't see a ceiling from him. He only caught 56% of his targets.
50:14And we're not so sure that Bryce Young is going to be better this year.
50:18That's why I don't know if he's going to improve on where he was last year.
50:22Bryce, a 6.3 yards per attempt. Each of the past two seasons, he has yet to finish top 20 in passing yards or completion percentage.
50:29And in three seasons, he supported just two. Get ready for this.
50:32Two top 50 fantasy receivers. One was McMillan last year.
50:34The other was Adam Thielen a couple of years ago.
50:37So I just it's he needs a leap from Bryce to get to that next level.
50:41We're ranking him at that next level. I think the floor could fall out.
50:45So that's that's the case on him. But honestly, this just felt like a layup.
50:49So that's why I didn't pick it. I wanted to go with something a little bit more difficult.
50:54So I'm with you. I agree with all your stuff.
50:56I'm not even going to fight with you on it.
50:59You just made a bad pick. All right. We got all of our energy and our emotions out over that Nico Collins.
51:05Mike and I do love each other. Sometimes people worry that Mike and I don't love each other.
51:10Mike is one of my best friends. Look, that's why we're able to have conversations like that.
51:14Yes. Trust me. We are all good here. So do we workshop this?
51:17Do we find a way to kind of like each category, one of us wins, one of us lose?
51:22We have a gold, silver, bronze for each of these?
51:25That's the best pick out of all of them.
51:27Or like, you know. Which you got the silvers and the bronze so far?
51:31Stop it. Stop it. Whoever's pick busts more. I'm going to win tight end though.
51:35So I just went to W on tight end in advance.
51:38This is a fascinating. I don't exactly know how to do this off the top of my head.
51:43We can maybe talk through like a way to possibly score this.
51:46So for the end of the year. That'd be fun.
51:49It can be like who's picked for the best.
51:51I would love that. That'd be great. All right.
51:53Let's get to tight ends. This does feel personal.
51:56You did one pick against me, one pick against Mike, and then a second pick against Daniel Field.
52:00Get him. Get him. That's what you get for picking Nico.
52:03That's right. Actually, I was sort of right down the middle on Nico.
52:07I had a really hard time coming up with a tight end bust because the position is so thin with good options.
52:13Yeah. That talking myself out of one of the good options hurt my heart.
52:16Yep. I ended up with Sam Laporta. Mm-hmm. And the only reason why is last year he played 10 games.
52:22Yeah. He got hurt in week 10 of last season.
52:24So maybe he played nine games. He got hurt in week 10 of last season.
52:28Do you know how many end zone targets Sam Laporta had last year?
52:32I don't know this one. I don't either. One.
52:34That's not good. And so maybe this is the outlier.
52:37Maybe he was dealing with that back injury up to that point.
52:40Maybe they were just managing him. But generally speaking, tight ends are going to need touchdowns other than maybe three or four at the very top.
52:47So generally speaking, we're going to need more touchdown upside than Sam Laporta showed last year.
52:51Easy counter. Hey, two seasons ago, three seasons ago as a rookie, he was really good in that category.
52:56No need to feel like that's not going to get back on track.
52:59It's that. It's also the general number of pass catchers the Lions have.
53:03He has two career 100-yard games. Not a ton there in the department of big receiving outings for Sam Laporta.
53:08And he's now hurt. And I know that we said like busts generally aren't injury related.
53:12But when a guy's going into the season with hip history and back, it's not quite Christian McCaffrey, but it's at least on the radar.
53:19I agree with you. I'm with you on that, unfortunately.
53:21I get it. If it wasn't for this hip injury that just recently flared up and he was just coming back from
53:27back injury and things sounded good, I would feel a little bit more optimistic about it.
53:31I've drafted him. Yeah, I have as well. But I definitely see that, especially because if he's not out there, we've seen
53:37Jameson Williams without Sam Laporta absolutely take off in this offense.
53:40And so I don't think the Lions feel like they need to force Sam Laporta out there with the other options they have.
53:46It's like, let them get healthy. They got other people.
53:49So I'm with you. I like, unfortunately, I like this pick.
53:52I think we should finish with yours, Daniel, because it's one of the most interesting and I think understandable.
53:57Like there's a logic behind it picks. Yeah. Okay.
53:59So I'll go second. This is my favorite one too, because I went down a rabbit hole on this guy yesterday and it was fascinating.
54:06So Tucker Craft is mine. Jack Rabbit. He played his football at sets.
54:09That's it. Good pull. Good pull. So look, I've been kind of bad at him all off season because he tore his
54:15ACL in the middle of last season and it was kind of an unknown when he would be ready to go this year.
54:21It looks like he might be ready for week one, but I could in theory just stop there.
54:26Like tight end coming off an ACL chance to bust.
54:28Right. Yep. But there's, there's more to it. Obviously, um, came out and was fine in his rookie season, but it was
54:34only 14th in fantasy points per game because he didn't see a lot of volume.
54:38He was 18th in targets and catches, but he was very lucky in touchdowns.
54:42Seven touchdowns, but only three end zone targets was way over his head.
54:45Then we go into next or last year. Uh, obviously got hurt mid season, but before that way over his head in
54:51the touchdown department again, had six, but his expected total was 1.8.
54:54Only two end zone targets. You might be thinking, wait, that's two years in a row where he just like almost tripled his expected touchdown total.
55:01He's probably just good at touchdowns. That's just not the reality of the situation.
55:05I actually did some research on that two years, two year stretches of tight ends that exceed their totals by the largest numbers.
55:11He's at, at or near the top of the list.
55:13Those guys all year three went down. Wow. And like, he'll still, the history says he'll still be an okay touchdown score.
55:19He's probably not going to score two this year, but you know, he'll, he's going to fall off from where he's bid his touchdown rate.
55:26But I went a little deeper. Cause I was like, the one reason why I might feel differently is that his targets
55:32went up his last two games before he got hurt.
55:34He had 10 targets and back-to-back gains. So I was like, all right, maybe his target here should be much higher because of that.
55:41So I looked a little closer. 2024 averaged 4.1 targets per game.
55:44His first five games last year, 4.2 targets per game.
55:46So about the same. Then he had the two games with 10 targets.
55:50Jaden Reed was out for both of those games.
55:52Okay. Christian Watson missed week seven. Okay. Which is one of those games.
55:56Don Tavion Wicks was out week eight. So a little bit of targets could go his direction.
56:00And then I looked at his best games last year.
56:03He had four games with 12 fantasy points. They were against the Bengals, Cardinals, Steelers, and Commanders who ranked, get ready for this, first, second, fourth, and fifth.
56:10And fantasy points allowed to tight ends last season.
56:13And that's like meaning they're cakewalk matchups. Yes. And they were his only four games with 12 plus fantasy points.
56:18And two of them were those games where he was heavily targeted.
56:21So I was like, maybe that explains why he was a featured part of the game plan those two weeks.
56:26And what would have happened after that? Would he have kind of come back to earth and seen four targets a game?
56:32So all of that, plus the ACL, plus how competitive that mid-range areas of tight ends and his cost in the sixth
56:38round, I could see him just plummeting and not paying off.
56:41That's such a nuanced argument. How do you fight it?
56:43I went down the, I did go down the, you went down the rabbit hole on this one.
56:48It wasn't intentional, but I was looking at it and I was like, wait a minute, that jumps out.
56:53And I just kept going and going and going.
56:56I'm just waiting for the part where Mike says something that convinces me that Tucker Kraft is supposed to be a bust this year.
57:02It wasn't convincing enough. Oh, yeah. That wasn't enough.
57:04Ninth round. He's got a ninth round ADP. Six round.
57:07He's one of the most, he's one of the more expensive tight ends.
57:10A ninth round ADP. Okay. But if you play here.
57:13ESPN platforms, I'm good with it in the ninth round.
57:16Yeah. Daniel, yours is so fascinating. So make the case because I think you're pointing to a construct less than a player.
57:21Correct. And I'll explain that in a minute. 100%.
57:24Okay. My bust, unfortunately, is Trey McBride. Get out.
57:26Trey McBride is unbelievable. It's, I mean, him or Brock Bowers, they're 1A and 1B.
57:30We know that. The dude is one of the, if not the best tight end in the game.
57:35He is going to continue to have a huge target share.
57:38He will be potentially the number one pass catcher on his team again.
57:41If we don't see Michael, Michael, I almost said Michael Wilson.
57:44I didn't even mean Michael Wilson. Marvin Harrison Jr.
57:46Become the guy that they drafted him to be.
57:49But the draft cost is just way too high for me, given some of these other tight ends that we're talking about right now in fantasy football.
57:56Right now, coming off the board with the 21st overall pick.
57:59So the very beginning of the third round. And if you don't know, depending on where you're picking, if you're in the
58:05second round and you know he won't make it back to you in the third, he's sometimes coming off in the middle
58:10of the second round because you know he won't make it back.
58:14To me, with where the tight end position is at, it's not about how good this guy is.
58:18It's not about how many points he's going to score.
58:21I just think that I can wait a couple of rounds, get someone that's going to be close to where he is
58:27at and get better positional value because of it.
58:29Because I can take another wide receiver or running back or something else at that point of the draft.
58:34Get my tight end a little later. Would Brock Bowers have fallen in the same category for you?
58:39It was. You could slash Trey McBride slash Brock Bowers.
58:42This is sort of like the Josh Allen argument we've been making.
58:45Bill Pullian used to have a quote when he was with us at ESPN.
58:48And I think I might be off by either a couple words or stores, but it was basically like if you're going
58:54to pay Tiffany pricing, you can't get Marshall's quality or something like that.
58:58You know, fair. I like it. You're paying high-end boutique jewelry.
59:00You can't get department store quality product. Right. And so for Trey McBride to be worth his late second round ADP, he's
59:06got to be comparable to the difference maker he was last year, which could definitely happen.
59:11I mean, we like the depth to a degree at tight end, but it does fall off pretty.
59:15Definitely. Yeah. Like you get past eight or nine guys and all of a sudden you're like, really?
59:20Like Dallas Goddard? Like Jake Ferguson? Hunter Henry? Is those guys like that good?
59:24Really? Yeah. I think it's fair because I, I mean, kind of to your point, I haven't paid the cost for him.
59:29I'm waiting a little later. Yeah. On the other hand, like who leads the NFL in catches and targets over the last two seasons?
59:36Jamar Chase. Who's second? Trey McBride. Trey McBride. So it's hard to pick him apart.
59:40Also use it. The goal. Also, he wasn't that great with Kyler last year.
59:43He was averaged, averaging 12 and a half fantasy points per game.
59:47Once Brissette came in, he was at 21.1 per game and Brissette still is quarterback for now.
59:51So that, that helps the cost, but cause, but I'll give you this one because I'm not paying the cost.
59:56Thank you, Michael. Oh my God. I'm not paying the cost.
59:59It's not as good as a Tucker craft. Okay.
60:02I'm just saying. All right. All right. We brought a bonus bus.
60:05Yeah. Let's do a bonus bus. Yeah. Mine'll be quick.
60:07Want me to go first? Yeah. Quick. Go ahead.
60:10He talked about him. Omari in Hampton was my, my freaking dad.
60:13For this, all the reasons we, I already gave my case.
60:16You gave your case. So I'll leave it at that.
60:19I'm going to lean into mine very quickly as well.
60:21It's Ashton Jeanty. It has nothing to do with the, get the interest and help the cause, but I don't know if
60:27the offensive line is that much improved. It is definitely a better scheme.
60:30Yep. I do think his overall snap percentage will drop.
60:33They will, ready for this, Daniel? Have a more egalitarian backfield approach.
60:36Love that. A Mike Jr. Most. Mike Washington Jr.
60:39Like Mike Jr. But maybe the most important thing is if you go read the ESPN magazine, ESPN the magazine fantasy preview,
60:44there is a graphic produced by Mike Clay that shows projected strength of schedule for each team by position.
60:49And the Raiders project to have the most difficult schedule for running backs this upcoming season.
60:54So those would be reasons why Ashton Jensi can bust this year.
60:57Okay. Okay. I like it. Well said. I would have said Christian McCaffrey, but I've been saying him all season long.
61:02So like, I'm not choosing him for this exercise, but I think he clearly fits the bill.
61:07Um, I would end up going with Devante Adams as my other boss top 20 wide receiver guy.
61:12There's a lot of guys. There's probably at least six to eight other wide receivers being drafted behind him that I just
61:17like the ceiling of and potentiality of, is that a word?
61:20Sure. Potentiality. Yeah. Of more this season than I do with Devante Adams in that skill set that even though he's awesome,
61:26it's sooner or later you start to see these guys start to fall.
61:29I like guys that are probably more ascending. Give me a lot of McConkie over Devante Adams.
61:34Plus all those end zone targets that he got last year are going to Terrence Ferguson.
61:38We know that. That's right, baby. No, no, no.
61:412-2 Atwell. Oh, that's right. He's back, baby. Back on the right.
61:44I mean, he was playing about half the snaps early last year.
61:47Mr. 3 got hurt. And then when he came back, he kind of just rotated in.
61:51So he might be the three, but the good news is it kind of cements our love for the tight ends because
61:57if that's their target and not, you know, I don't know, they didn't sign like Keenan Allen or someone like that or Stefan Diggs.
62:03Like if it's 2-2 Atwell and Keenan Munn Field and guys like that, then we should be pretty safe with our tight end love.
62:10I just like what the Dolphins are doing right now as an organization.
62:13They signed 2-2 for $1.4 million, which is basically nothing for an NFL veteran of his caliber or of his tenure.
62:19And they traded him for a guy that was good enough to go in the fourth round two years ago.
62:24I like Hunter. I see whether Jarquez Hunter's a good player or not.
62:27But I thought he went about where he was graded to go.
62:30That's like kind of intriguing right there. If you're Miami, like what?
62:34I mean, what was the destiny for 2-2 Atwell with that franchise?
62:37Yeah. No, I think that was Hunter. There was your number 20.
62:40Yeah. There was some hedging there, I think, with the injury to Chris Bell, but it looks like he's going to be ready to go.
62:46So he's moving along. Yeah. Keep an eye on him.
62:49All right. Love that. It's been a fun week, guys.
62:52Closing out the week of the fantasy marathon. Thank you guys so much for hanging out with us.
62:56We got a show league draft coming up on Monday.
62:59Come and hang out. Yeah, it's not even mock draft Monday.
63:02I know. It's real draft. It's real draft Monday.
63:04We're going to put our money where our mouth is.
63:07Thank you guys so much for hanging out with us.
63:10Don't forget to love each other and be kind to yourself.
63:13You deserve it. Enjoy the weekend. We'll see you on Monday, guys.
63:16Later.