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1 hr 6 min

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Aug 26, 2026

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Wed, August 26, 2026

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Garrett WilsonJordan LoveParker WashingtonTerrance FergusonTravis EtienneZay FlowersAlvin KamaraBaker MayfieldBrian Thomas Jr.Calvin RidleyChigoziem OkonkwoChris GodwinCourtland SuttonDavante Adams

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Alvin Kamara

NegativeInjury18:03

Alvin Kamara is currently dealing with an injury with an expected recovery timeline of about a month; his role as an aging veteran back is already small and could be further reduced if Travis Etienne performs well early in the season.

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Baker Mayfield

PositiveProjection24:10

Mike Clay suggests Baker Mayfield could finish as a high-end fantasy quarterback if he remains healthy, noting his ability to put up significant passing numbers.

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Brian Thomas Jr.

NegativeProjection44:17

Brian Thomas Jr. is viewed as a high-variance player similar to Quinton Johnston; while he has the talent to finish as a top-10 receiver, the current team outlook suggests Parker Washington is the more consistent option for targets.

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Calvin Ridley

NegativeUsage61:13

Despite being 32, he remains on the roster and is expected to have a role in the offense, which could impact the target ceiling for other receivers.

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Chigoziem Okonkwo

PositiveSleeper48:41

Chigoziem Okonkwo is a sleeper tight end (TE19) who could benefit from a move to Washington's offense. Despite a history of low goal-line usage, his consistency (50+ catches in three straight seasons) and the potential for a high-scoring offense under Jayden Daniels make him an intriguing value.

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Chris Godwin

NegativeProjection64:12

There is concern that he may not return to his previous form, which could open the door for Jalen McMillan to earn more targets.

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Courtland Sutton

PositiveValue31:44

Courtland Sutton is a preferred target over Jalen Waddle due to a three-round ADP discount; he is expected to see similar production to Waddle but with higher touchdown upside due to his role near the goal line.

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Davante Adams

PositiveProjection53:46

Expected to face touchdown regression at age 33, which opens up target and scoring opportunities for teammates like Terrence Ferguson.

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Garrett Wilson

PositiveValue34:18

Garrett Wilson is ranked ahead of Zay Flowers and is considered a high-ceiling asset; he is a strong trade target even if it requires giving up Zay Flowers, as his potential remains higher despite his current situation.

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PositiveValue36:45

Mike Clay prefers Garrett Wilson in a trade scenario over Zay Flowers, noting that the Marshawn Lloyd factor makes the trade worthwhile for the side receiving Wilson.

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Isaiah Likely

NegativeBreakout55:39

Likely is a high-upside breakout candidate in the Giants' offense, but his fantasy value is capped by his limited blocking ability, which may keep him off the field in run-heavy sets. Theo Johnson could also eat into his target share.

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Jalen McMillan

PositiveBreakout63:41

A late-round sleeper who showed high-end production in his rookie year. If Chris Godwin struggles or if there are health issues with other receivers, McMillan could push for a significant role by mid-season.

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James Conner

NegativeRole19:52

There is pessimism regarding James Conner's early-season role in Arizona due to the presence of Tyler Allgeier and Jeremiah Love, with the expectation that the team will need to feature their younger playmakers.

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Jeremiyah Love

PositiveValue19:12

Jeremiah Love is a high-conviction target whose ADP has fallen to 23 (early third round), which is considered an appropriate or even undervalued spot for a rookie with superstar potential; he is expected to be highly productive if he reaches 15+ touches per game, and his ankle injury is progressing well.

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Jordan Love

PositiveBreakout7:23

Field Yates projects a breakout for Jordan Love, noting he was a top-eight fantasy QB in nearly 27% of his starts last year and possesses mobility that separates him from pocket-only passers. Yates expects the Packers' offense to be more Love-centric with a streamlined group of pass-catchers including Tucker Craft, Christian Watson, and Jayden Reed.

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NegativeProjection10:47

Mike Clay is pessimistic about Jordan Love's fantasy outlook, ranking him 22nd and doubting he will reach QB1 status. Clay cites a lack of rushing production (under 300 yards and one TD over the last two years) and a conservative, slow-paced offensive scheme under Matt LaFleur as limiting factors.

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Keenan Allen

PositiveValue30:06

Keenan Allen is considered a borderline rosterable player who is likely droppable if Alec Pierce is healthy, as he lacks a clear path to fantasy relevance given the target competition in the Colts' offense.

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Ladd McConkey

NegativeProjection45:41

Ladd McConkey is expected to take on a primary role in the new Mike McDaniel offense. While he saw high usage in the slot last year, his efficiency plummeted; the team is banking on improved efficiency to justify his draft cost.

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Malik Willis

PositiveSleeper23:30

Mike Clay highlights Malik Willis as a deep sleeper at quarterback, currently going as QB24, specifically due to his dual-threat ability.

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Parker Washington

PositiveUsage41:52

Mike Clay identifies Parker Washington as the Jaguars' clear WR1, noting that in 21 games with at least 50% route participation, he averaged a 20% target share and 12.2 fantasy PPG. Despite rising ADP, Clay believes he is Trevor Lawrence's primary target and will maintain his role over Brian Thomas Jr.

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NegativeValue59:39

Drafted 50th overall in a recent mock, representing a 'faith play' on his talent as a receiver.

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Patrick Mahomes

NegativeProjection23:55

Mike Clay ranks Patrick Mahomes as the 15th quarterback, noting that his fantasy production last year was heavily buoyed by early-season rushing and expressing interest in seeing how his passing game evolves this season.

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T.J. Hockenson

PositiveValue58:31

Currently available at a 'free' price point in drafts, making him a value target despite previous concerns about his status.

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Terrance Ferguson

PositiveBreakout51:55

Terrence Ferguson is a massive, athletic tight end who could emerge as the third target in the Rams' offense. Despite competition from Colby Parkinson and Tyler Higbee, his elite athletic profile and usage as a deep threat (17.5 aDOT) suggest significant breakout potential.

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PositiveBreakout53:46

Ranked at 15 due to expected touchdown regression for Davante Adams; could become a primary touchdown target for Matthew Stafford. While competition from Tyler Higbee, Colby Parkinson, and Davis Allen creates volatility, he remains a strong breakout candidate.

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Theo Johnson

NegativeUsage57:36

Could potentially occupy the Mark Andrews-style role in the Giants' offense, which poses a threat to Isaiah Likely's touchdown upside.

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Travis Etienne

PositiveBreakout18:13

Travis Etienne is viewed as an amazing pass-catching running back with a prolific track record dating back to his time at Clemson, where he set the NCAA record for most games with a touchdown scored; he is positioned to potentially expand his role if he plays well while Alvin Kamara is sidelined.

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PositiveRole28:46

The analysts discuss Travis Etienne's potential for an increased role in New Orleans, especially with Alvin Kamara currently injured. Etienne is praised for his elite pass-catching ability, which was his calling card coming out of Clemson.

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Tyler Higbee

NegativeUsage55:06

Expected to remain involved in the Rams' offense, potentially siphoning targets and touchdowns from other tight ends like Terrence Ferguson.

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Wan'Dale Robinson

PositiveUsage60:08

Expected to be a PPR beast with high catch volume; showed field-stretching ability last year, proving he is more than just a short-area receiver.

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Zay Flowers

NegativeValue34:18

Zay Flowers is a valuable wide receiver, but he is ranked behind Garrett Wilson, making him a secondary piece in trade scenarios involving Wilson.

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NegativeBreakout37:08

Field Yates ranks Zay Flowers as his WR16 and a breakout candidate, citing his strong finish last season (WR7 in PPG from weeks 14-18). However, there is hesitation regarding his ceiling, as he lacks goal-line work and faces increased competition from a healthier Rashad Bateman, Jacoby Lane, and Derrick Henry.

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Episode Transcript

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0:00It's Saturday, the tailgate crew is on the way.

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0:24Welcome to Fantasy Focus Football, alongside a sleepy Mike Clay and a very tired VJ.

0:28My name is Daniel Dopp. My name is Daniel Dopp, here for a live show of Fantasy Focus.

0:33Oh my gosh. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry guys.

0:35Listen, it has been a week so far. Fantasy Football Marathon is in the books.

0:39Two straight days of being able to do a ton of fantasy content with you guys.

0:44We are a little bit tired, though. Yeah, we are.

0:46Last night, we wrapped up our draft around 11.30 p.m.

0:49last night, and it's a late one. I had Sports Center at 12.10 a.m.

0:53after that. I don't know about you guys. Did you just get to go home and sleep?

0:58I mean, I tried to sleep, but... How do you sleep after doing that?

1:01So much adrenaline after them shows. Exactly. Yeah, so...

1:04After dominating that mock draft, I could not fall asleep.

1:07I went home and I fed a baby. So, yeah.

1:09Oh, look at you. You go from working to working, feels.

1:12It's true. But she cooperated, which was great. Very proud of the young people.

1:16Love that. Love that. Well, we got a very fun show on tap today, and by fun, I mean we are going

1:22to be a little loopy, but we're going to have some fun being able to dive into some breakouts for this year.

1:28Each one of us brought a breakout at each one of the positions.

1:32We're going to dive into that. First, a quick shout-out to our buddy Eric Moody.

1:36Follow him on social media at Eric and Moody.

1:38Normally, he's in the chat, which he is today.

1:40He's also here in Bristol in the control room hanging out for one more day before he heads back home.

1:46So, give our little guy Eric Moody a little bit of love.

1:49He's not little. He's actually the biggest person on the team.

1:52It's true. It's true. Former offensive lineman. Moody is well built.

1:55He could probably bench a lot of reps at 225 pounds.

1:58You mentioned we're doing breakouts. I have a question and a statement.

2:01I guess I'll start with the statement. I am going to try, from now until the end of the preseason, to make

2:07sure that I continue to get some new fresh names in.

2:10Players that we haven't discussed as much, and I think I've said my piece on Justin Herbert and Colston Loveland and Derrick Henry.

2:17If something notable happens with those players or their teams, we'll talk about it through that lens.

2:21But my names today were guys that I don't think I've talked about as much this preseason.

2:26I wanted to get some additional thoughts off my chest.

2:29That's my statement. And I think we're all kind of aligned, like going forward.

2:32We want to do it last. I would say, yeah, I did the opposite this time because this was in the middle of the marathon.

2:39We came up with these, so I just listed my favorite quarterback running back.

2:43I didn't think much through it, but I said the same thing before the show, which is like, this might be the

2:49last time I talk about Jeremiah Love today. Like, we've done it enough, but I'll put it on the board today.

2:55One last time. One more time. Official breakouts. And then, you know, I've said, there's this stat I've been saying every day, and I'm tired of saying this.

3:02The stat that you say every day is that Jeremiah Love is an Arizona Cardinal.

3:06Yes, that's it. That's it. That's right. The question is, do you guys have a strict definition of a breakout?

3:12No. Okay. No, it's all relative. There's different types of breakouts.

3:15There's guys that maybe can go from wide receiver.

3:17Think of JSN, right? Jumps from like wide receiver 2-3 to an elite receiver.

3:21And then there's guys that come out of nowhere, or a guy like a late round flyer, an undrafted guy who becomes a fantasy starter.

3:28So, yeah, there's different levels to it. I feel like there, I mean, you could say the last couple years we've been

3:34waiting for Kyle Pitts to be a breakout. Because we saw it for a second in his rookie season, right?

3:39And then there were a couple years where he kind of fell back.

3:43Can you re-break out if we've already seen it once?

3:45I think that's part of my criteria, even though I might have seen it at one point.

3:50If you have a couple seasons where like things kind of go down or something like that, you can break out again.

3:56I think a good example would be like Justin Herbert, who had that one spike season.

4:00Like four years ago. He just said, we're not using Justin Herbert.

4:04I know, but I'm saying like... Mike wants to make the case.

4:07But I think that's a similar example, too. Like he did have that one good year, and then he disappeared for a long time.

4:13But if he does leap up and he falls, he pays off like you think, and he gets into the top five, I would consider that a break.

4:21Didn't that rash break out again this year? He was telling me about it during the break, too.

4:26Still don't have a good answer for that. I haven't made a rash reference in probably 18 months.

4:31It's been a minute. But there's just no better time to do it then.

4:35Can't you re-break out? Yeah. All right. I'll put it back on the shelf for another 18 months.

4:39Back like the elf on the shelf. All right, Field Yates, quarterback breakouts.

4:43I'm going to start with you, my friend, because I know how much you love love.

4:47Yes. I've been saying that all half season two.

4:50Time to talk J-Love. Jordan Love. And so one thing about making a breakout case is that there are some stats that

4:56can work to help paint the picture as to why the player is going to break out.

5:00Sure. But the point is, like, you're expecting a leap of some sort.

5:04So prior year stats don't tell the full story about what you think the player can become.

5:09But I would say this. Jordan Love last year was a top eight quarterback in four of his games that he played,

5:15nearly 27% of his starts because he did not play a full 17-game season.

5:18Jordan Love has shown some level of upside previously.

5:21He also had five games with over 20 rushing yards last year.

5:24He had just one of those in 2024, which is to note that I can't tell you he's going to have five more games with 20-plus rushing yards.

5:32But we're always looking for pathways to fantasy success.

5:34Jordan Love is a mobile quarterback. He's not going to use his legs a ton.

5:38He's not Lamar Jackson or Jalen Hurts or Drake May.

5:41But he's mobile enough that he's not going to be a Jared Goff, a Matthew Stafford, a Kirk Cousins-type quarterback who only

5:47has to throw for 4,500 yards and 40 touchdowns.

5:49No big deal. Mike has talked about how he sort of sees this Packers offense.

5:53And I'm in alignment here. Kind of like we are sort of streamlining things, right?

5:57We are streamlining. It's not going to be nine different receivers that play meaningful roles and catch passes.

6:02It's going to be a lot of Tucker Craft at tight end with Matthew Golden, Christian Watson, Jaden Reed as the three pass catchers.

6:09I think this offense is just going to be more Jordan Love-centric.

6:12I haven't missed quarterback 16. So I'm saying breakout.

6:15It's somewhat relative. But that's three spots higher than anybody else.

6:18I think this is a really good real-life player who I think will take a step forward as a fantasy player as

6:24the Packers put more on his plate this year.

6:26One of my favorite, I'm not going to say late-round targets because where I like him is if you take a quasi-risky QB1, he's one of my favorites.

6:34All right, I'm going to pair a, just making this up, Caleb Williams with a Jordan Love.

6:38The only time that a Packers and a Bears quarterback can get along is on my fantasy roster.

6:43This is a tough one for me. We're not aligned on this one.

6:47I think it's a long shot he's going to be in the QB1 conversation.

6:50He flirted with fantasy relevance in 2023, but it's kind of been really bad the last couple of years.

6:56I know that he may run more than like a Stafford or Goff, but I mean, he has just under 300 total

7:02rushing yards over the last two years combined and only one touchdown.

7:05And also, it's got to be a schematic change too.

7:08So like first thing is coming maybe to an extent, but also like Malafleur also runs a very slow offense too or kind of limits plays.

7:15It's so conservative and I just don't know if that part of it's going to change.

7:19So it's going to be balanced. It's going to be probably slow.

7:22He's not going to run enough. I mean, he really is going to need a tremendous passing season and maybe that does

7:28happen, but I don't know if it gets to the level of like where Baker was two years ago or where Matthew Stafford was last year.

7:35I mean, Jared Goff puts up enormous passing numbers and can barely hang in the top 10.

7:40I mean, love has to really get to that level.

7:43So maybe maybe this is the year that happens, but I'm a little more pessimistic, especially with all the depth ahead of him.

7:49Guys that do run guys that have that passing upside.

7:52I just can't get there. I'm 22 on my board and I don't know if I'd go much higher than that.

7:57Half full. No, this is that too. This is cold water.

8:00Oh, that Mike. Mike is throwing some water. I don't understand like after all the things that we just did, why you

8:06would wake up and choose violence against field like that.

8:09It's been seven minutes into the show. Wrong stuff.

8:11One player objective. That's what he said wrong. He's a NFL player, but he's just not a very good fantasy quarterback.

8:17Can I peel the curtain back a little bit as well here?

8:20Yes, please. Remember how I mentioned that like I'm trying to talk about some fresh faces and new blood.

8:25Yep. We've talked about a lot of quarterbacks up to this point already.

8:29A lot. I know. I appreciate that part of it.

8:32The Williams case. We've talked about that. I know.

8:34I know. Not that you guys can't mention those players.

8:37I don't know. I was. It's like, who have we not discussed that much?

8:41Did I have a level of optimism on it?

8:43And I do have optimism. He's my quarterback 16.

8:46So I'm not, I'm not giving you my quarterback 25.

8:48Like I'm not making the CJ Stroud case as a breakout this year.

8:52But Jordan Love has my interest more than Mike.

8:54And I think probably more than. Yes. I'd say Stroud and Love feel similar from a fantasy perspective though.

8:59I loves a better player. Loves a better player.

9:02I can't trust CJ. Ice cold. I don't either.

9:04I don't trust either in fantasy. Mike, if you were going to throw a dart at someone to break out at the quarterback position, who would you pick?

9:12Jackson. Oh, hey. Yeah. Again, I feel like I feel like now because of field set to table, I have to find like a deeper one as well.

9:20But I already picked our graphics are set. We picked our names.

9:23Dart is my favorite quarterback target this season for sure.

9:26We saw what he did last season, 12 games.

9:28He had eight top tens, which is fifth, fifth most among quarterbacks.

9:31Tremendous rushing potential to tremendous rushing production last year.

9:34And he was fine as a passer with a pretty poor supporting cast, to be quite honest.

9:38So with Malik neighbors out there now, and they had some good depth with Darnell Mooney and you have Isaiah likely at tight end.

9:45And I believe it's year three now for Theo Johnson as well.

9:48I mean, they just have the pieces in place here to really make a leap forward.

9:52So I think the sky is the limit for Jackson Dart.

9:55And he remains my primary target at quarterback, although across the industry, he's generally going like in the ninth round.

10:01And somebody took him in the seventh round of a 10-teamer last night on national television.

10:05This guy. I was not thrilled. But you know, what's funny about it is I had to settle for Dak Prescott and

10:11Bo Nix, a quarterback like who I have ninth and tenth in my rankings at quarterback.

10:15Like that position is so deep, so deep. Patience at quarterback.

10:18I actually really liked the Jackson Dart pick. You know, it has to suck.

10:22And if you're watching, you can see this. If you're listening, I apologize.

10:26It's got to suck to be one of the other Giants wide receivers besides Malik neighbors.

10:30You know why? We show some clips right there.

10:33And this is a guy who's coming off of a gigantic knee injury and he moves so much faster than everybody else.

10:39Yeah. Like it's got to be humbling. It's like, we play the same sport.

10:42Like there might be some Giants wide receivers that make more money than Malik neighbors right now because he's on a rookie contract.

10:49Oh, I don't know that. Oh yeah. No, I saw, um, I saw a video the other day.

10:54It was a difference between a good, great and elite wide receiver.

10:57And it was the Vikings and they were running the same routes.

11:00It was Jawan Jennings. It was like, Oh, pretty good.

11:03And it was like Jordan Addison. Like, Oh, he's probably better.

11:06And then Justin Jefferson goes and you're like, Oh my, just that's not like that guy's not even like human compared to them.

11:12It's unbelievable. So unless you, you are ridiculous. When it comes to LSU, Ohio state, I don't understand how you get all these wide receivers.

11:19It is remarkable. Who's your pick Daniel? Well fields, you and I understood the assignment.

11:23So we wanted to go with a couple of guys.

11:26No, I literally did follow the assignment. Mike, I'm not even talking to you.

11:29I was talking to feet. No, I followed you.

11:32I wanted to hear more about your thoughts. I ended up going, I love you, Michael, just for what it's worth.

11:38I went with Tyler Shuck here. Ooh, deep cut.

11:40This is a deep cut. I have them a little bit higher than you guys.

11:44I've got them at QB 13. You guys are just outside the top 16 with Tyler.

11:48One of the things that I'm looking at is he didn't play for the entirety of the beginning of the season.

11:54Didn't even play until week 12. After week 12, that was his first start.

11:58This is what he did. 17.4, 21.3, 18.1, 17.1, 21.9, at least 17 fantasy points across the board in every single game as a rookie.

12:05Yeah. After not playing for the entirety of the season.

12:07This is one of the things that we want to see, which is a rookie being able to take an opportunity, especially towards the end of the year.

12:15Give us a little bit of pump, a little bit of zhuzh as my friend Liz says to be able to see what he could be.

12:22I do think that the Saints are going to be an ascending team in the NFC South this year.

12:27The Jordan Tyson thing puts a little bit of cold water like Mike would do on your takes on this one, unfortunately.

12:33However, I still love Tyler Shuck. I think if he uses his legs and this offense does what it can do, I

12:39don't think that it's crazy to think the comp of Tyler Shuck could be similar to what Bo Nix was last year.

12:45Okay. He checks a lot of the right boxes, a second year quarterback, mobile quarterback.

12:49That's good. I would say that not a dominant supporting cast by any stretch, but intriguing supporting cast.

12:54Absolutely. Like Chris Olave leads the way there when Jordan Tyson's back.

12:57That certainly helps as well. Confidence should be sky high right now.

13:01It's a division that does not have any defenses that I'm like, all right, you have of those six division games.

13:06You've got two where you're playing, you know, this kind of hurts to be in the NFC West.

13:11If you're Brock Purdy, he's an amazing player. He's got four ridiculously tough matchups against the Rams and the Seahawks, which we

13:17saw what happened to him against Seattle late last season.

13:20So I don't hate the Tyler Shuck call at all.

13:23Yeah. He had put decent numbers together as a rusher and passer.

13:26You have a high ceiling, but the supporting cast is not good.

13:29It is much better now. I mean, at some point I'll have Tyson.

13:33You mentioned a lot of a obviously Travis Echan as well.

13:36So yeah, I like that call for sure. Also, you know, he, I guess we shouldn't be shocked if he's going to

13:42be a decent quarterback that it happened quickly. Cause remember he was an older prospect.

13:46It's seven years. I just, I just confirmed this cause I was very close, but he's actually older than Trevor Lawrence, which is crazy wild.

13:53You know, you wouldn't think he's older. A lot of these guys were talking about two years older than like CJ Stroud has been around for a while.

14:00So he should be polished and he looked polished late last season.

14:03So yeah, I do like this one. Yeah. All right.

14:06Let's take a quick look at the running. No, I want to do mine.

14:10Malik Willis is mine. That's my deep. How dare you?

14:13That's a good. If I, if I was, yeah, if, if it was more like a, a deeper breakout player, Malik Willis

14:19certainly would be on that list because of his dual threat ability.

14:22I'll give you a little trivia here as we get to, oh, there's the quarterback ADP.

14:26So Malik Willis is Mike's deep sleeper. He's currently going as quarterback 24.

14:30There are some red flags for all of these players on the board, really starting at Patrick Bahomes.

14:35I was just going to say 15th ranked quarterback him at 15.

14:38A lot of what he did last year was buoyed by his legs earlier on in the season.

14:43I'm interested to see what he's going to look like this year from a passing game perspective.

14:47But I wouldn't be surprised if Baker Mayfield finishes like QB.

14:50He's another one of those guys. He can put up big passing numbers if, if a book is healthy.

14:56I mean, he can do that for sure. But that just goes to show the depth at that position.

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16:37Maybe a little bit of trivia here. And bear with me, I did need to reduce the qualifier by one yard to make this work.

16:43But there are five running backs that have at least 1,399 scrimmage yards in three of the past four seasons.

16:49Okay. I wish it were 1,400, but it's instead 1,399.

16:52That works. I'm going to give you four of them.

16:54Okay. You guys can see if you can guess the fifth.

16:57All right. Derrick Henry? Yep. Good. Saquon Barkley? Good.

17:00Christian McCaffrey? Good. B. John Robinson? Good. I would say three guys who are maybe already Pro Football Hall of Famers if

17:06they retire today, and a fourth in B. John who's on that trip.

17:09On the way, yeah. Can you guess the fifth?

17:12Kyle Hughes check. He missed it by three yards, too.

17:14Stop. That's a tough one. For sure, it'd be a fullback.

17:17Me, too. I was thinking Alec Ingold. I understand why you went with.

17:21I actually saw the paper, so I can't guess.

17:23I also saw the paper. Tell me who it is, though.

17:26It is Travis H. Ann Jr. Yeah. I love these goofies.

17:29Actually, it was Travis Etienne. That was Travis Etienne.

17:32Actually, it was. At the time, it was Travis Etienne.

17:34So I don't know if we can trust any of these stats now.

17:38It's a new guy, right? This is why I think the terms break out sort of subjective, right?

17:43Because he's been a good player in three of his four NFL seasons.

17:46He also, at times, feels like he was not utilized to his full capabilities in Jacksonville.

17:51And he had some competition, some competition for opportunities, especially last year when the offense kind of found its footing.

17:56The Saints gave him a huge contract this offseason for a running back.

18:00I think it was four years. $53 million to be precise.

18:03Alvin Kamara is currently banged up. I know that the expected timeline is around a month.

18:07I would just say that when it's an older veteran back who's kind of like hanging on for a role as it

18:13is, that window being open for Travis Etienne, like if he plays well in the first couple of weeks, the Alvin Kamara

18:19role, which is probably already small to begin with, could just be reduced further.

18:23Etienne's an amazing pass catcher. Coming out of Clemson, that was his calling card was he is one of the best pass

18:29catching running backs amongst prospects we'd seen in the past few years.

18:32When he came out of Clemson, he also had set the single, excuse me, set the NCAA record for most games with a touchdown scored.

18:39Like he's been a prolific player at every level.

18:41We have confidence in this offense as we just discussed with the lens of Tyler Shuck.

18:46Mike was talking about how the Packers are one of the slowest offenses in the NFL.

18:50Not many offenses are faster than a Kellen Moore offense.

18:53A lot of plays, a lot of opportunities here.

18:55If A-chan is RB11 at the end of the year, I won't be surprised.

18:59Even in a year where we feel like there's 14 really strong running backs to begin the board.

19:04I agree with that. That's good at all. Mike Clay, where are you going with your make-out pick?

19:09Field loves the wrong love, but I love the right love.

19:12Jeremiah Love, of course. I've talked about him over and over again.

19:15Actually, I'm going to change my stats slightly. I'm going to make it a little more specific, okay?

19:20Right. I've used it so much. The last nine running backs drafted in the top 12 finished top 11 in fantasy points.

19:26I was a rookie in fantasy points. So 12 is like a nice round number I was using.

19:31Yeah, it rolls off the tongue. It does. But it actually is top 11 because Gentie finished 11th last year.

19:36Yeah, look, I'm obviously all in on Jeremiah Love.

19:39His ADP has fallen a little bit. I took him in the late second round in our draft last night.

19:44Often he goes into third. I don't want to take a chance of missing out on him.

19:49I'm keeping a close eye on very similar to Alvin Kamara.

19:52James Conner status in Arizona. I'll be obviously frustrated if he has a role early in the season.

19:56I'm pessimistic that's going to happen. I just don't.

19:59I don't see that happens with Tyler Algier there.

20:01And obviously Jeremiah Love. But here, the bottom line is even if they try to start him slow the first week or

20:07two, I think it's going to be too good to keep him off the field.

20:11He's going to, especially an offense that are a team that needs good things to go right for a team that's going to struggle this year.

20:18They need playmakers. I think they're going to have to feature him this year.

20:22And if he gets 15 plus touches a game, I think he's going to be super efficient and highly productive.

20:28And frankly, the number might be higher than that.

20:30A couple of things to note here. First, I did see a photo on Instagram or social media somewhere of Jeremiah Love

20:36carrying pizzas up a staircase to get into an airplane as the Cardinals are flying to their final preseason game.

20:42Is that like a rookie? I think it's, yeah, rookie sort of responsibilities, if you will.

20:46Sure. And another sign that that ankle is progressing nicely, right?

20:49If he was... He can carry all them pizzas?

20:51But more so just like, you know, if there's any risk whatsoever, you're not making the third overall pick on the draft,

20:57walk up a set of stairs that's just been pushed up to an airplane, right?

21:01Yeah. These aren't exactly like, you know, an architectural masterpiece that he was walking up there.

21:06That's number one. Number two is my fear, so to speak, on Jeremiah Love after he was drafted was, is he going

21:12to get up to the range of where people were taking Ashton Gentry last year and B.

21:16John Robinson when he came out? Because if Ashton Gentry has, excuse me, if Jeremiah Love has a season like either one

21:22of those guys and he was being taken ninth overall, I get it.

21:26Yes. It would still be a top 12 running back, but it would be a disappointing season.

21:30Like, as somebody who rostered Ashton Gentry in the war room last year, who took him, I want to say like sixth

21:36to eighth overall, somewhere in that sixth to eighth range, it was a disappointing season.

21:41Like, it just was, even if he still finishes a top 12 back.

21:44I mean, it was sixth to eighth overall and he finished 11th, so yeah, I mean, of course it was.

21:49There it is. There it is. Rookie duties. Rookie duties is what we're calling it.

21:54Looking healthy, looking strong. Yeah. That's my guy. Exactly.

21:56That's a lot of pieces. That's a lot of boxes.

21:59Is that seven pizzas? Seven pizzas. That's like a Mike Weekend Fest right now.

22:03Yeah, it really is. And by the way, he's also, I think he's drinking the old school Gatorade out of a can.

22:08The best. Wow. It's the best. Wow. Like, I absolutely loved Gatorade out of a can back in the day.

22:14I wish it was available more readily around stores in Connecticut.

22:17Anyways, if he has one of those type seasons and he was going ninth overall, it'd be a problem.

22:22But his ADP, not just because of the ankle, but also because there's some really good running back options this year that

22:28have been there and done that, his current ADP is 23.

22:31Like, to me, if he's RB11 after being drafted 23rd overall, no, I don't consider that an amazing season.

22:36I don't consider that a disappointing season. I consider it an about right season.

22:40In ESPN Standard Leagues, 23 means he's coming off the board at the beginning of the third round.

22:45You just said last year that Ashton Gentry was drafted somewhere between like pick six and eight.

22:49I mean, a lot of leagues for sure. Yes.

22:52So it would be like if, you know, if Jonathan Taylor finished his, finishes RB11 this year, you'd be like, that sucks.

22:58This feels like, unfortunately, even though all the things you're saying about Jeremiah Love, and I don't think any of us disagree

23:04with the superstar potential of him, this just feels like a more appropriate spot for a rookie right now, especially with where

23:10the top of the running back room is. I think we just have, I think two things is people are making sure

23:16to stockpile running backs early and just like a lot of veteran backs find themselves in a good spot.

23:21Who's your pick? I decided to go deep with this one because this bears running backs to the moon this year.

23:27I understand. We've been talking about DeAndre Swift. He's already kind of broken out.

23:31How about Kyle Monungay? Listen, Kyle Monungay, I think is in a spot and this would be a breakout for real.

23:36If it really happens, he had a couple of weeks last year where he looked really good taking over for DeAndre Swift.

23:4217.4 fantasy points as running back 12 in week seven, over 22 fantasy points in week nine, over 19 fantasy points in week 13.

23:49When he was given the opportunity, we saw him look very good in this offense.

23:53I think there's at least a chance that this becomes a little bit more of a two headed backfield.

23:58Like we saw down the stretch last year, even though DeAndre Swift clearly going to be the RB one of this squad.

24:04That's not in consideration. I don't believe, but if anything happens to him, I think Kyle Monungay has a shot to be

24:10able to continue to do more within this offense.

24:12We saw him do really well last year and I just keep coming back to in my head, right?

24:17This isn't a stat, but it is a narrative.

24:20Ben Johnson told all of us he wants to score more points than anyone else ever in the history of the NFL.

24:26If that happens, sometimes I just want to load up on guys at the position.

24:30And Kyle Monungay is the cheapest of the bears to load up on in drafts right now.

24:35So as far as like a late round insurance running back that could break out if the situation was right, I really love the situation.

24:41Let's be honest. This was the hardest position to find a break.

24:45Oh, easily. Running back is the hardest one. There's a couple ones that stand out like we didn't do.

24:50Like Bashal Toon would have been a logical one that's popular.

24:53I should say he's like a very popular breakout player.

24:56That's a good one. I hear you. Oh, God.

24:58No, no. You go. That's the problem. I was going to say, he averaged like seven fantasy points.

25:03Guys, I'm diving deep. If I just wanted to see the guy that was drafted third of the world.

25:08But here's where you lost me. Here's where you lost me, though.

25:11You said DeAndre Swift obviously will remain the lead back.

25:14I mean, that's the end of him as a breakout barring injury, right?

25:18I mean, I just, unless you think they really can support two fantasy starters at running back, I don't know how this works.

25:24Have we ever seen a Ben Johnson-led offense support two fans?

25:27But is that what you're saying, though? That's what I'm asking.

25:30Well, I don't know. No, no, no. I just, I guess I was just like wondering if that's ever.

25:35So Kyle Mononga is as good as peak David Montgomery.

25:38And Jameer Gibbs is DeAndre Swift. Hey, that's why we're prognosticating breakouts rather than just saying, you're my love.

25:43And I'm prognosticating that you're wrong on this one, barring Swift injury.

25:46Obviously, he was outstanding. He had almost 200 yards to one game Swift miss, but he averaged under eight fantasy points per game the rest of the year.

25:54So this is actually, this is, I think, an important way to illustrate a very notable dynamic that comes into drafts.

25:59Because it's hard for me when I say like, yeah, like load up on running backs early and then Puka Nakua falls to you at pick seven.

26:07All right, listen, I'm taking Puka Nakua there, right?

26:09It's too good to bypass a player of that value.

26:12Yep. It's really not like Puka vis-a-vis Christian McCaffrey or Jonathan Taylor that I think makes the point about why we believe

26:18more often than not to lean into running backs early.

26:21Unfortunately, it's, let's call it RB33. Kyle Manungai has, in Mike's estimation, and I'm aligned with Mike.

26:25Sorry, Daniel. That's all right. No standalone value in a week, in a 10-team league, right?

26:30Like 16-team league during bye weeks, maybe. But otherwise, not going to be playing him.

26:34Whoever, I don't know who wide receiver 33 is coming off the board right now.

26:38But the name is probably his teammate, Luther Burden III, which even with Mike's understandable and logical issues with his ADP industry-wide,

26:44like Luther Burden could certainly, he could be a top 15 wide receiver.

26:47Yeah, no doubt. He wouldn't be stunned, right? If Kyle Manungai becomes a top 15 running back and DeAndre Swift remains healthy, I would be flatly stunned.

26:54Absolutely. And kind of the point is the cost, too.

26:57You know, he's going eighth, ninth round in the industry right now.

27:00Now, that's a little expensive for an insurance running back at that point in the draft, especially with the receiver talent that you have.

27:07Like one of your, the same ADP as Wondale Robinson, who is like, I feel like could be usable week to week.

27:13Oh, yeah, he will be. And then, like, I think about, again, I'm just going to add another name onto these because

27:19I want to go, I want to play this game.

27:22I wish I did, like, deeper, deeper breakouts. Did you say?

27:25A round of difficult, Mike? Not. Eighth, nine round of 12-team leagues.

27:28But, like, seventh, eighth round right now is Jonathan Brooks.

27:31So, I feel like, could be a usable running back, too, if he does take control of that job.

27:36I know you're not as high on him, but he actually has a path to standalone value if he's a 15-touch lead back in Carolina this year.

27:43He's pinned it up, for sure. I know he's going a hair earlier, but I would definitely lean that direction.

27:49ESPN Fantasy League's Kyle Manungai coming off the board in the 13th round, so not even close to that.

27:54And I recognize this is why we talk about ADP.

27:56It's different based on where you're going to play.

27:59I would also like to say, I love that I'm being taken to task for not picking a top 20 running back that has already broken out.

28:06And I just decided to follow the exercise and pick someone that hasn't done it in the league yet, guys.

28:12But it's fair. That was not the— Manungai has played in the league.

28:15My guy, Love, has not yet. Oh, my gosh.

28:18Oh, my gosh. He can go from zero-with all the way to the top 10.

28:22Your guy's going to go from 30th to 27th?

28:24Like, I don't— I asked who was wide receiver 33 and ADP, by the way.

28:28Answer right now. Cortland Sutton. So, Cortland Sutton. Yeah.

28:31But that's a more intriguing player for me based off of where he is being taken versus RB33.

28:36Let's dive into a handful of questions before we move on.

28:39We talked about quarterbacks. We talked about some running backs.

28:41You know what, guys? Before we dive into that, I do want to say this.

28:45It was really great being able to do this marathon with you.

28:49We had over what? Did we— 2.04 million teams drafted.

28:512 million teams drafted. Unbelievable. Mike only did 1 million of them.

28:55That's right. It's just the start because this is where drafts really start to kick off right now.

28:59Hopefully, you have been able to wait, and the majority of your leagues are going to happen now.

29:04I feel—you and I have a draft literally today.

29:07That we're going to start. I think it's 8.30 maybe?

29:09Yes, tonight. 8.30 tonight. We have a draft. And by the way, something that we mentioned during the broadcast last night, worth sharing here and understand.

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29:24You know, there's an often used phrase that I think sometimes rubs people the wrong way, that there is no such thing as a donation too small.

29:31There is no such thing as a donation too small here.

29:34Yeah, well said. A dollar is $1 more than nothing, and it's $1 closer to the goal.

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29:42V.org slash donate. We talked about that on the marathon last night.

29:46And we are five months and 20 days away from the Super Bowl.

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29:55ABC's had them previously, but the first ever on ESPN.

29:58So there you have it. Let's dive into a handful of questions from our chat.

30:02This one comes from Wild Bill Reviews. Is Keenan Allen worth the waiver pickup?

30:06Guys, so you're waiting for the draft, right? The draft happens.

30:09Yeah. How would you pick him up off the waivers?

30:12I guess it would have to be someone you put on IR.

30:15Otherwise, are you adding him off of waivers? Well, you could also.

30:18Yeah. I mean, some teams, some leagues run waivers right away.

30:21There are ways you could add him. It just depends.

30:24He's my wide receiver, 51. So it depends on who you have at the very last spot on your bench.

30:29If you drafted a defense you don't plan on keeping, you could do it there and then make the decision later.

30:35But I'm not sure how much data you can collect between now and the start of week one that would cause you to move off of Keenan Allen.

30:43But yeah, I don't think he is a reasonable end of bench player right now.

30:47Yeah. Good. I want to know what Wild Bill reviews though.

30:50Oh yeah. I want to know that too. That's my question.

30:53My quick thought. I agree with that. I would say if Alec Pierce is in active week one, we'll probably rank Allen as a flex option.

31:00If Alec Pierce is ready to go, he's going to be droppable.

31:03Like, I don't think Allen's going to have a path to fantasy relevance.

31:07He played a lot last year. A pretty decent target share in Chicago and LA last year, Chicago the year before.

31:12And he was unusable in fantasy. I mean, he was putting single digits up every week with a 20 some percent target share.

31:19I mean, I don't know if he has much left in the tank.

31:22And I don't think he's going to see a 20 plus percent target share if Alec Pierce is healthy, along with Josh Downs, Tyler Warren, Jonathan Taylor.

31:29It's just not going to happen. Okay. Let's move on.

31:32Next question that we have from our chat. This one comes from Liminal Man.

31:36We love this one right here. Hey, got to have a Broncos receiver.

31:39Who's the better choice considering ADP? Mike, I believe you talked about Corlin Sutton yesterday, right?

31:44As a part of your perfect draft. Yeah. Look, I love Jalen Waddle, the player, but he's going in the fourth round.

31:50Corlin Sutton's going in the seventh round. And I think they're going to be similar in terms of production.

31:55Waddle might see more targets, but Sutton is going to be featured near the goal line, which Waddle might not score a lot.

32:01So you might just get double the touchdowns out of Sutton.

32:04So that three round difference is pretty wide. Sutton's definitely the better target as far as I'm concerned.

32:09I still want the answer. Has Wild Bill responded to what he reviews?

32:13You know, review fantasy. We'll get Eric Moodie in chat to make sure he'll do some sleuthing and then hopefully check back

32:19in with us towards the end of the show.

32:21That just seems like a great hobby. Like, hey, I review, I don't know.

32:25Wild Bill reviews. I review Italian restaurants. You literally review football players for your job.

32:29That's true. But I'm thinking like, what would be my hobby?

32:32I'd like to review top 100 golf courses. That would be awesome.

32:35Oh, that'd be bad. There's a guy who actually, he's on social media.

32:39That's his job. All right. That's his thing. I was going to say job.

32:42He made it his job. He just goes around the top 100 courses.

32:46You think he would get better at golf? Like how much better at golf?

32:50Not much better at golf, sadly. I would maybe break 100.

32:53Oh, nice. I break 100. But not by a lot.

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34:04One more question. One more question from our chat.

34:06This one comes from Anthony Nguyen. This one says, trade alert.

34:09I rostered Josh Jacobs. Received a trade offer for Garrett Wilson slash Lloyd for my Zay Flowers.

34:14Yep. Josh is my RB2. I accepted. I should accept, right?

34:17There you go. Honestly, like, so we have... Should accept.

34:20More to come on Zay Flowers in a moment here.

34:22But basically the deal is, you know, you have the Packers backfield essentially accounted for, and you get Zay Flowers for Garrett Wilson.

34:29So is the delta between Garrett Wilson and Zay Flowers larger than the added value of having both Packers running backs?

34:34I have Garrett Wilson ranked ahead of Zay Flowers, so obviously I'm taking that.

34:38Well, I think in this case he would be giving away Garrett Wilson to acquire Zay Flowers.

34:43I thought it said he was getting Wilson and Floyd.

34:45Or Wilson, he's getting Wilson and Floyd. Okay, my bad.

34:48Yes, okay. So that's an auto, yes. Yes, I screw that up.

34:51So basically you would get Garrett Wilson and Marshawn Lloyd in exchange.

34:55Yeah, I think someone's trying to send him Lloyd because he has Jacobs.

34:58Right. But they want Flowers instead of Wilson. And they don't trust Garrett Wilson because they're probably like...

35:03Great job. Great place for the Jets. I don't want this guy in my squad.

35:07Let me have the wide receiver from the Baltimore Ravens.

35:10Flowers is going a little before Wilson in drafts, but I have Wilson higher.

35:14I think his ceiling's much higher too, even though he hasn't shown it yet for obvious reasons.

35:18But yeah, I mean, I'm on the Wilson side.

35:21I'm okay with just the wide receiver swap straight up, like as that is.

35:25And the fact that you get an insurance running back just in case something happens.

35:29What's the worst that would happen? By the way...

35:31Josh Jacobs misses time. Do you think Wilson would even be ranked as a top 25 running back?

35:36A Floyd or a Lloyd. Yeah, that's the thing.

35:38I do want to point that out. I wouldn't go...

35:41I wouldn't necessarily trade... I'm not going to take a worse starter just to get a late round insurance running back, but this is not that situation.

35:48Right. It's just the insurance back isn't that important.

35:51Those are late round guys for a reason. They're not high priority.

35:54So if it was like... I don't know. He was going to get...

35:58Ted Rowe and McMillan had to give up Drake London to do that.

36:01No. Automatically no. Right. Like, it just depends on who the players are.

36:05But in this case, I like Wilson more. Okay, so...

36:08Mike loves Wilson. Field, who's your wide receiver breakout?

36:10Well, can I just close the pin or close the circle on that last question one more time?

36:15Is... Those are the hardest... When the question... If the question were, should I trade Garrett Wilson for Zay Flowers?

36:20Yep. Those are the hardest kind of questions for us as analysts to answer because it's like, oh, my wide receiver 12 for my wide receiver 13.

36:28Like, there's not that much conviction in those players, right?

36:30Especially if they're in the same tier, which we talked about at the beginning of this season.

36:35But they also are some of my favorite kind of trades because what it is, is it's two people that have that itchy trigger finger.

36:42And they're like, I just want to make a trade.

36:44I'm kind of shuffling the deck. Yeah. But YOLO, right?

36:47And fantasy football trades are like an instant energy shot.

36:50So I love those trades, even if they're hard to analyze.

36:53But the Marshawn Lloyd factor was enough for me to say, yes, worthwhile for the person that gets Garrett Wilson.

36:58So can you imagine trading away a guy that would break out at the wide receiver spot this year?

37:03That would be crazy. And yet I was still considering doing it in those circumstances.

37:08Zay Flowers is my wide receiver 16 and my potential breakout candidate.

37:11We've talked about Zay Flowers like not at all so far this preseason.

37:14Yep. Zay Flowers got hot down the stretch last year.

37:17And that's what kind of has me intrigued on top of some other dynamics that I will discuss in just a moment.

37:23But Zay Flowers for weeks 14 through 18, final five weeks of the season.

37:27Wide receiver 7 in points per game. That's good.

37:29He was 8th in catches and 4th in yards.

37:32No surprise, 1, 2, 3 in yards. Can you guess?

37:34No. Tomorrow chase. Actually, not tomorrow chase. Puka, Albonron, Jason.

37:37Okay. So, you know, three of the four elite receivers.

37:40Zay Flowers got hot. The Raiders, Ravens, paid him a ton of money this season.

37:44Bunches he had. $35 million per year, which is crazy because it sounds like a ton of money.

37:49It also makes him, like, I don't know, the 7th highest paid wide receiver now in the NFL.

37:54I think he's a good player. The questions have not been whether Zay Flowers is really talented or capable.

37:59It's just, is the offense going to feature him enough?

38:02Maybe I'm buying too much into the possibility of a new system.

38:05Basically, I would say the newest system Lamar Jackson has played in during his career.

38:09It's Greg Roman to then Todd Munkin to now this Declan Doyle system.

38:12You're hopeful that Declan Doyle comes in and says, that guy number four is how everything in the passing game works.

38:18There's no more Isaiah Likely. Yes, Jacoby Lane's building some buzz so far this preseason.

38:22But clearly the best wide receiver on this Ravens roster is Zay Flowers.

38:26I'm trying to build the case. I don't, you know, again, we need...

38:29There is a chance for a breakout here. There is a breakout.

38:33I think he's a solid wide receiver too. I think last year...

38:36That was not a convincing case by me. I would say this.

38:39I would not be surprised if last year was his ceiling season.

38:42Like, I wonder if he settles in a little bit.

38:45Yeah. He finished... Well, he was seventh total, what, 12th on a point-per-game basis.

38:49One of the problems with him is his role, which is kind of a short area, you know, produces with the ball in his hands sort of player.

38:56But he doesn't get much work near the goal line.

38:59And part of that is the offense. Exactly. His career high is seven end zone targets and six touchdowns.

39:04I don't know if he's going to really... Maybe he has an outlier season and he exceeds his total.

39:09He's a little lucky in that department. It's possible.

39:12But there was just so much reliance on him last year.

39:15And obviously, now you have a healthier shot. Bateman, who scored a ton of touchdowns two years ago.

39:20Jacoby Lane, there's hype there. We'll see what they get out of Mark Andrews.

39:24Derek Hendry is obviously going to be very busy.

39:26So, I wonder if last year with the numbers he put up in almost a 30% target share, if he kind of

39:32maxes out there and now settles back in. Because remember, he never finished better than 31st in fantasy points per game before last year.

39:39That was the first time. And he spiked all the way up to 12.

39:42So, that's my only hesitation. But he's just a fine wide receiver too.

39:46I think I'm just fine with him. With a chance for him to scrape a little bit higher.

39:51Maybe. Yeah. And I would say that one of the...

39:53Oh, sorry. Do you think there's any smoke with the Jacoby Lane thing?

39:57Or is it just like, how are we... We've never been able to support two wide receivers anyways.

40:02Not in fantasy. We used to have a late round bucket of flyers.

40:05Yeah. Like a literal late round bucket of flyers.

40:08I would throw him into that bucket. I agreed.

40:10You've been saying his name. That's why. Yeah. I mean, Jamison Hensley said he has been one of the most impressive rookies he's ever seen for the Ravens.

40:18I think it was rookie receivers. And he's been covering the team for 27 years.

40:22Which I think is almost the entirety of the franchise.

40:25I'll tell you what. The reason to get excited about him would be is if they do trade Rashad Bateman before the start of the season.

40:32Which I think is a long shot. It sounds like they were...

40:35Actually with... Maybe Houston called before they traded for Keyshawn Booty.

40:38Obviously, it didn't work out with Bateman. But if they do make a surprising move and he goes, then Lane becomes...

40:44That tells me, because of the situation there, that they're like, okay, this guy is legit.

40:48We have to get him on the field. We don't need Bateman now.

40:52That would be the sign. But I don't think that's going to happen.

40:55Last thing I'll say is the season-long numbers for Zay Flowers are like, wow, he was wide receiver seven in total points.

41:01Like, didn't he kind of by definition break out last year?

41:04Remember, subjective is an important word for how we're defining breakouts.

41:07And I think it's, can he be utilized and tapped into more consistently?

41:11Definitely. Tristan H. Cockroft. Yep. The great Tristan H.

41:13Cockroft writes a piece about the most consistent players in fantasy football.

41:16He's constantly tabulating who has given you what you need week in and week out.

41:20And my hope for Zay Flowers would be that it's not that he...

41:24He could even be wide receiver 11 this upcoming season, but just have a much steadier target floor week in and week out.

41:30And I would feel better about him compared to where I was last year, where he kind of spiked and dipped and spiked and dipped.

41:37He had a gnarly streak from weeks two to 13 last year where you're like, wow, zero or I think it might

41:43have been zero finishes inside the top 20. That's not great.

41:46I am with you on that, unfortunately. Let's move on and talk about the next one.

41:50Mike Clay, Parker Washington, a high round draft pick.

41:53And by high round, I mean he was drafted in the sixth round, 185th overall a couple years ago.

41:58Baller! Yeah, I actually followed the assignment. I picked a player who we actually...

42:02How dare you? How dare you? Are ranked higher than where they finished last year, unlike Zay Flowers.

42:07I'm going Parker Washington. I don't like how expensive he's getting right now.

42:10That one bothers me, but I do still think he could pay it off and will pay it off.

42:15Six rounder a few years ago. Sometimes those... I've written about this many times.

42:19Every offseason I update this because I think it's so important.

42:22But if you look at the rookie receivers who perform and receivers that break out in their first couple years in the

42:28league, they're almost all first, second, and third round picks.

42:31Almost all of them. It's so rare to find like a Juwan Jennings.

42:34It doesn't happen very often. Tyreek Hill being another example.

42:37So it kind of makes sense that Parker Washington being a sixth round pick, it's taken a while because teams just don't trust these guys yet.

42:44They'll get a cup of tea here or there as a starter.

42:47But that's another baseball term. We're bringing them all out this year.

42:51A cup of tea? You got a cup of tea in the majors, right?

42:54Yeah. And then go... We're just bringing them all out this year.

42:58What's that? That originated in baseball? I think so.

43:00I just remember it as like a baseball term.

43:03Yeah. And it feels like it was always like, I got a cup of tea 15 days in the majors and then back to the...

43:09Anyway, he's gotten some opportunity... What? It's not... I'm just trying to look it up on Google and it's just telling me about tea.

43:16It's just a cup of tea. Yeah. It's literally a tea.

43:19I drink a lot of tea these days. But anyway, where I'm going with this is when they've given him those opportunities, he has performed.

43:26There's 21 games since the start of 2024 in which he had a route participation of at least 50%.

43:31So when they're throwing the ball, he's on the field more than half the time.

43:35In those games, he has a 20% target share and 12.2 fantasy points per game, which would have put him right in

43:41the wide receiver two mix last season. That includes the finish to last season where he was red hot four straight games

43:47with at least nine targets and 19 fantasy points.

43:49I know there are a lot of mouse to feed in this offense, including specifically at wide receiver.

43:54But there is nothing about this offseason that suggests he's not their number one receiver.

43:58Everything indicates he is number one, not leaving the field.

44:01They'll pull Brian Thomas off the field. Washington is the guy.

44:04And if that doesn't happen, I'm going to be really surprised.

44:07It's just... There's not like one report that's like...

44:09And it's not like he's probably just going to wrote...

44:12It's like he is the guy. He is Trevor Lawrence's guy.

44:15He established that late last year. The cat's out of the bag now.

44:19He's the guy. So again, he's getting a little pricey, but I believe in the talent.

44:23He's going to get real pricey for the Jaguars soon.

44:26Sure is. You might have an extension by the time the season begins.

44:29Did I bring this up on the show yesterday?

44:32I'm not sure. I think the alternate uniforms announcement.

44:34Oh, yes. Okay, I did mention that. Parker Washington front and center.

44:37I am flummoxed. I think he's an awesome player.

44:40He's an awesome dude as well. Like the exact kind of player you want to reward.

44:44And I can't decide if there's like a top 20 wide receiver, hiding in plain sight with basically everything that Mike just said.

44:50Or if this is going to be the Chargers of last year, where Parker Washington is a great player.

44:56Jacoby Myers is a really darn good player. Brian Thomas is sort of Quinton Johnston-y.

45:00Really talented, but inconsistent. And it's like, oh, through four weeks, each of them, maybe you throw Travis Hunter in there as

45:06well, has had one week where they've seen seven plus targets.

45:09And I just, I can't figure it out. All of the signs are telling us, as Mike said, every sign points to

45:15him needing to be a top 30 wide receiver.

45:17Yep. Yeah. And also, would we be shocked if Brian Thomas finishes wide receiver nine?

45:21Like just bounce it. I mean, we finished wide receiver four two years ago.

45:25It's so wild. But yeah, I mean, he could be Quinton Johnson too.

45:28It's just, it's such a hard one to figure out, but this entire off the whole off season suggests that it's Washington, not Thomas.

45:35I'm having a hard time deciding myself, but yep.

45:37Here you. This is my layup guys at the wide receiver spot for the breakout.

45:41I decided this is where I was going to do it.

45:44Ladd McConkie. Laddie. Kind of already broke out once as a rookie, but last year, if you remember, finished as wide receiver 36.

45:51Yeah. He was, who was he last year? He was not Lad McConkie.

45:54He was bad McDonkey. Bad McDonkey. That's right. Finished as wide receiver 13 in total points as a rookie.

45:59So that Delta between those two things, obviously we don't want those chargers to be around.

46:04He got Keenan Allen last year. I think things are going to be very different here this season.

46:09New Mike McDaniel offense, being able to come in and be the number one.

46:12Quinton Johnston, even though you talked about it, will have some big games.

46:16That's a part of what he does. Consistency though, as field just said, is not one of the terms that we use to define his game.

46:23Sure. Lad McConkie is going to be that guy.

46:25I think you told us he's got four, three wheels.

46:28He does. I mean, you may not realize it very fast.

46:31Ran the most number of... Is that because he's white?

46:34I think so. Okay. Ran the most number of slots, snaps last year out of any wide receiver.

46:39The dude is going to smash, especially because you have that scar tissue from last year.

46:43We already saw him break out as a rookie, but the idea that he fell all the way back to wide receiver,

46:4930 total points, wide receiver, 36 in points per game.

46:52This needs to stop. We are not allowed to show tweets that capitalize every word in the sentence.

46:57I am drawing a line. It's a boundary that I have in life.

47:00So here's my question on that. How do you do that?

47:03Right. Do you have like a setting on your phone that like every time you type a space, it goes back to a capital letter?

47:10I don't know. Because if not, doesn't that feel like...

47:13So inefficient. There is one word that wasn't capitalized.

47:15It. Yeah. I don't know. Is this like an AI account?

47:18Is this one of them collaborators? There's no AI.

47:21Is that a person? Is there? Or I don't know.

47:23Whatever. Like it, I don't know how you produce this.

47:26I'm pretty sure it's really regulated. I just mean like to do something like that.

47:30I don't know. No, I'm kidding. Yeah. Good call here.

47:33Thought about... Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. If I... What? If I miss...

47:36Me saying there's no... There's no AI on the internet, right?

47:39Yeah. Of course. I just don't know. I don't...

47:41I'm not... I'm not technical enough to know how to create something like that automatically.

47:45A tweet. Anyway. A tweet. Yeah. No, I don't know how to do that.

47:49I've only done that a billion times. He's trying to be like Cam...

47:53Like Cam Newton created like a legitimate keyboard. Oh, yeah.

47:55He did. People can type out like Cam's letters, which I think is cool, but...

47:59Anyway, Bad McDonkey last year, if you knew going into the season that he was going to...

48:04He ran way more routes last year than he did the year before.

48:08His target numbers were very similar to his rookie season.

48:10He actually was seventh among receivers and end zone targets last year.

48:14If you knew all those things going into the season, you would have ranked him even higher than we had him.

48:19But the efficiency plummeted last year. Plummeted. Yards per target, catch rate, all that.

48:23So that's going to be Mike McDaniel's job here to figure out how to get that efficiency up because the usage is there.

48:29If that works out, that's great. It's the efficiency that was problematic last year.

48:33So we will see if they fix things. All right.

48:36We're going to move to tight ends here. And my last one is kind of a talent play.

48:41Yes. Tight end 19 for me at Chico Conquo.

48:43Got four years and 40 million bucks. Liz is a big Chico Conquo sleeper.

48:47Sure is. So go check out Facts vs. Feelings, of course.

48:50And shout out to Liz for hanging with us again over the past handful of shows.

48:54Chick comes from a bad situation in Tennessee. They weren't scoring a lot of points and they weren't featuring him all that often.

49:01Washington's going to lead with Terry McLaurin. I think Stephon Diggs will play a real and big role, but Chick should play a role for sure.

49:08They've had a lot of injuries amongst other tight ends in Washington.

49:11And keep in mind that two years ago, so if we're banking on this offense being closer to what it was during

49:17Jaden Daniels' rookie season, they were top five in points per game that year, top five in EPA.

49:22They were top five in red zone drive. So they got the ball down there often.

49:26You get down to the red zone, you've got more opportunities for touchdowns.

49:30Chick Okonkwo, I think, has a chance to look like a much different player.

49:33Guy who also returns to the DMV, likes Stephon Diggs, two Maryland grads.

49:37Which definitely counts for something very valuable in fantasy.

49:39Yeah, obviously, Zach Ertz has done some damage when he's been healthy in this offense.

49:43For some reason, I have like a lot of, I'm looking at my write-up on Okonkwo, I have like a lot of

49:49what could best be described as like fun facts about him over the last couple of years.

49:54One of four tight ends who have appeared in every game since he entered the league over the last three years.

50:00One of six tight ends that have 50 plus catches each of the past three seasons.

50:04That's a very interesting nugget for sure. And the other one is he has finished exactly 21st in fantasy points at tight

50:10end three years in a row now. Wow. That's like not as exciting for my purposes.

50:14No, some of these aren't great. I mean, he also, but you know, part of his problem has been though, he's, you know, 16% target share.

50:21Not, he probably needs to be a little higher to get into the tight end one conversation, but a big problem has been that offense.

50:28He's eight touchdowns and 11 end zone targets in his career.

50:31They just don't get to the goal line. They don't use him much there.

50:35Eight touchdowns in four seasons. Yeah. 11 total end zone targets is very poor.

50:39It's what you're banking on, right? It's like, uh, it's remember we were talking about Brees Hall, maybe being traded to the chiefs at the deadline last year.

50:46Well, imagine Brees Hall if he played in a real offense, right?

50:50Yeah. Yeah. That's kind of what you were. Could be it.

50:53Could be it. Yep. I know Mike's. I do.

50:55Oh yeah. I do too. I think it's a good one because Mike, you've talked about a decent amount, but it's been mostly recently.

51:02Yep. And he's a very, very intriguing player. Yeah.

51:04He remains extremely cheap on draft day. This is one of them guys I'm surprised isn't generating more hype considering the offense

51:10and the fact that he's a year two tight end who was a second round pick last year.

51:15It's Terrence, Terrence Ferguson. This is also a team that could lead the league and heavy sets and two and three tight end sets.

51:22He's going to be on the field a lot.

51:24My drawback initially to him, bless you, was when they re-signed Tyler Higby to go along with Colby Parkinson, who had a

51:30big roll down the stretch ahead of Ferguson late last year.

51:33They're going to rotate Davis Allen in and I don't clear Max Clare second round pick this year.

51:38I think he, that has healthy scratch written all over it.

51:41Like I think the plan is 2027. It's going to be the Ferguson Claire show, but for now, um, I think it's going to be Ferguson this year.

51:48And what's interesting about him is his average depth of target last year.

51:52Again, it's minimum 10 targets. I had to put a low threshold on this because the sample wasn't high, but the way

51:58he was used was kind of wild. He has 17.5 average depth of target, which is high for a wide receiver.

52:04That's the highest I've seen by from a tight end in at least a decade as far back as I have this stuff charted.

52:10So, um, his target, his, uh, target tree should be a little more well-rounded this year.

52:14He did a five end zone targets last year, which was 13th at tight ends for, for a guy that didn't play very much.

52:21Um, but the bottom line is he could open this season.

52:24Number three in line for targets in maybe the best offense in the NFL and offense that could score.

52:29What do we, what's our board met? 40 passing touchdowns potentially those rankings right there on the board.

52:34The most you got to miss. Yeah. Mike kind of likes him at 19.

52:38What does it and and R is that mean?

52:40Not, not really, not, not related. We're not related.

52:43Although I did, um, I covered Bo Nix's pro day when he was coming out in the 2024 NFL draft.

52:48Uh, it was like the first day of free agency.

52:51Kirk Cousins signed with the Falcons on that day.

52:53I felt like the entire world was staring at Kirk Cousins news and there was like, you know, whatever, 20 scouts, a

52:59couple of coaches and me and Eugene, Oregon, beautiful place, by the way, absolutely phenomenal area.

53:04Love Oregon. If you are listening to the show, we have either been there or live there.

53:08What a beautiful state you guys have. Uh, and they're like, you got to check out this tight end who it wasn't

53:14like Terrence Ferguson was some, I'd seen Terrence Ferguson play when scouting Bo Nix previously.

53:18Uh, and he looks like an NBA center. He is massive and he is ridiculously athletic.

53:23He was staring one-handed catches left and right. Uh, he's Mike's on to something here.

53:27Yeah. I mean, this guy has top five upside.

53:29I mean, he really, he was drafted to be their, their star tight end.

53:33Uh, the only, we're a year away from that.

53:35Yeah. Uh, I, I could see that maybe post Devontan.

53:38There's room for a third guy. They don't have a third receiver.

53:41Like that he really should be, if he's not third in line for targets here, what, what went wrong?

53:47Like he's a Colby Parkinson. Like what went wrong?

53:49He should be third in line. The Rams, by the way, it's like, Oh, look at us.

53:54We're the Rams. We trade for miles Garrett and we have Puka Naku and Matthew Stafford and Devontae Adams on offense.

53:59We signed Trent McDuffie or we trade for him.

54:02And we also sign Jalen Watson. So we can just punt on our first and second round picks this year.

54:07Those guys might not even play a snap all season.

54:10Crazy. Ty Simpson, Max Clare. Yep. Enjoy LA weather.

54:12At least. Yep. Using our first two round picks on guys that will help us.

54:16That was somewhat surprising, but regardless there, I mean, they're the best team in the league on both sides of the ball.

54:22So how you can't criticize. Well, Mike, until the games are played, we'll see.

54:26I have Terrence Ferguson at 15, just for the record, because of the fact that we talk about the touchdown regression for Devontae Adams.

54:33I wouldn't be shocked if with that touchdown regression and the idea that everything that Mike has talked about, he's helped me get way more into Terrence Ferguson.

54:40I've dived into the numbers. Diven in. Dove. Dove in.

54:43Dove in. Yeah. I dived. Dove. Yeah. Doved into the numbers.

54:46I have face planted into the numbers. Yeah. And it makes me feel like, would I be shocked if this guy becomes

54:52one of the touchdown makers for Matthew Stafford? If we do see that touchdown regression from a 33 year old Devontae Adams.

54:58You guys are also tattoo bros. He's got a lot of it.

55:01Yes. Oh yeah. Him and I are buddies. My only hesitation on going higher on him is just that.

55:06You've got him at 19. Tyler Higby is going to catch.

55:09He's going to be annoying and catch touchdowns and Colby Parkinson.

55:12All these guys, you're going to be furious. If he starts for you, you're going to be furious when Davis Allen scores,

55:18catches a pass or scores a touchdown. It's just the nature of this offense.

55:22It's my only hesitation on going higher, but at the end of the day, I still like him.

55:27I think he's a good chance of a breakout.

55:29Last one for you, Daniel. And by the way, we have football in two weeks.

55:34Yes, we do have football in a couple weeks.

55:36Is my math correct? Yeah. Yeah. I think that's right.

55:39Yeah, that's right. My breakout is a guy that we have seen do some things before when given an opportunity, although not

55:45always, but Isaiah likely moving on from the Baltimore Ravens into a Giants offense.

55:49The Giants is just a team that we have primed to potentially take a step for us in fantasy football.

55:54If Jackson Dart can stay healthy with John Harbaugh coming overfield, you talked about it last night.

55:59He knows how to be able to find ways to help a dual threat quarterback succeed in his offense.

56:04Being able to have neighbors back, being able to have Cam Scadaboo so that that running game can be all the things you needed to be.

56:11And Isaiah likely has been a field stretcher, has been a great receiving option at the tight end spot.

56:16The problem is he came from an offense where that just wasn't a necessity for them week in and week out.

56:22We didn't see consistency from him because we didn't really see consistency in that Ravens passing game across the board anyways.

56:27We don't talk about that with anyone. So a little bit of this is the faith of like, I've seen what this

56:33kid can do when given the chance. Now, do you believe that he's going to be fully unlocked and the tight end

56:39one of this offense, or are you worried that maybe someone else, another tight end that was there that we liked from

56:45last year is going to eat in enough to his share that he can't break out.

56:50And I want to think that with them bringing him over, Isaiah likely at least has a shot with some of the

56:56skills that we have seen in the past to break out in this offense this year.

57:00This is a little bit unfair to Isaiah likely, who's also from Massachusetts.

57:03So shout out to fellow Massachusetts. You know when he went to school?

57:07He went to Coastal Carolina. Of course he did.

57:09Fields. Fields. He played for Everett High School. Mikey's Mikey Sandra still commander.

57:13Second round pick. Both guys. Love that. Everett area.

57:15This is kind of unfair because I think a lot of tight ends really need touchdowns to pay off.

57:21But Isaiah likely has a real chance of being part time is like too underwhelming, but far from every down player.

57:26He is. If they're throwing the foot, if they're running the football or trying to create the illusion of running the football

57:32before they pass the football, he ain't going to be on the field.

57:36Theo Johnson. That's the problem. It's just, he is such a limited blocker.

57:39I've been following reports throughout training camp and it's like when they're, you know, he's, I'm trying to think of the perfect

57:45analogy of who Isaiah likely, who else has like served in this role where it's like when they're passing the ball, this

57:51tight ends on the field and otherwise he's not.

57:54And I mean, Graham, maybe like just cause Dawson Knox is there.

57:57My best comp was. The taps are so low.

57:59My best comp was when Isaiah likely played for the Ravens previously.

58:03Yeah. I mean, it's, but it's fair. I mean, I was thinking the same thing, like Theo, if, if you're, if you

58:09draft Isaiah likely and he doesn't work out for you, even as like a good wide or a tight end to this

58:15year might be because like you have Theo Johnson in the Mark Andrews role and he's stealing touchdowns or something like that.

58:21That may be where you get burned. So yeah, that's why I'm not quite as high.

58:25There's a lot of tight ends in this tier though, going from Ferguson all the way up to, you know, even the

58:31Andrews and we've, TJ Hawkinson's like free now. I mean, that's a guy that we used to be like, I'm worried he might just be done.

58:38I think maybe, yeah. I'm just saying there's so many guys in that tier.

58:42So I would say my takeaway from all of these picks, we made 12, 16 in total and a couple exclusions like,

58:48you know, Jackson, Dart, Jeremiah, love, we're all going to be like, we're good there.

58:52It's hard to pick breakouts because you're kind of acknowledging the warts when you're making these picks.

58:56You have to, right. It's like, cause I feel like, I don't know, two thirds of the picks that any of us

59:02offered up, at least one of us was like, yeah, but, and it's like, ah, all right.

59:07Well, if there was no hesitation, they'd be ranked higher.

59:10You know, they would be a breakout candidate. We would have, they would like that.

59:14We'd have them as a top. I don't know.

59:16We'd rank them as, I don't know. What do you have Jeremiah?

59:20I love we'd rank them wherever we have Jeremiah.

59:22I love, but this is part of the game we play is that you can't just draft every player at your ceiling or you're going to lose.

59:29You're never going to get over the top. So you have to pick some guys who are more volatile, but the ceiling's high.

59:36I thought that I thought maybe Adam Schefter pulled that last night.

59:39When he drafted Parker Washington 50th overall. Yeah. That was, that was a, that was a faith play in Parker Washington.

59:45Yeah, he is. He's a really good player. He may pay off, but we are, it's all about value-based drafting.

59:50Name of the game. We're going to do some bonus picks here real quick.

59:54Oh, okay. Yes, that's right. One player breakout. We don't know these ones.

59:57We don't know these ones. I want to make sure.

60:00Hold on. Let me just. But you'll know mine.

60:02Oh, okay. Well then let's. Yes, yes, yes, yes.

60:05I got mine. Okay. You got yours. Do you want to go first?

60:08He has back-to-back seasons with 90 catches. Wanda Robinson's going to get again this year.

60:13I was just about to say it. I was hoping you'll let it on a little further.

60:17Yeah. Wanda, let's your guy. Yeah, you talked about this last night.

60:20Yeah. I still think, and I got to get higher on the rankings maybe than with this analysis, but I just think this guy's going to absolutely feast.

60:28He's going to be a PPR beast. And what he showed last year is he's not just a PPR guy.

60:33Right? Like he, I should not say that. What he showed last year is that he is not just three yards in

60:39a cloud of dust or like an ADOT of 1.7 yards.

60:42Like he had some field-stretching moments last year. Remember the game Russell Wilson torched the Cowboys for like 485 yards?

60:48Week two last year, Wandale was menacing down the field.

60:51So this guy's just a really, really good football player.

60:53Okay. But over under two and a half touchdowns in this offense.

60:57Over. Yeah. Over. Wouldn't be surprised. Yeah. I don't think he's going to get a lot of goal line work.

61:02And I'm a little lower on you guys because yes, he's going to catch a lot of passes in the short range.

61:08But I mean, Carnot is still there. Yeah. And Gunnar Helm is going to get some run.

61:13And also like Calvin Ridley's still there right now.

61:15I mean, is he still, I know he's 32, but Calvin Ridley is still.

61:19Mike. It wasn't long ago. He's there. $13 million.

61:21No, but when, but I understand that, but let's just can please tell me if I'm wrong.

61:26But when you see a guy that's making $13 million playing week one of the preseason, you're not like that guy is on track to make the roster.

61:33They had so much cap space that it wasn't like really that big.

61:37They've renegotiated this deal and it wasn't like, all right, we got to get him down.

61:41We got to spend it somewhere. $3 million. They had to have a role there.

61:45Yes. If he's playing every week. Mine is Cam Scadaboo.

61:48Again, no, no shock here. I've talked about him, his numbers in those six games last year where he was the feature back were tremendous.

61:55He scored six touchdowns, 16 carries a game, a hair under five targets per game, which don't don't overlook that.

62:00That is a big number for Scadaboo and over 96 yards per game.

62:04So the volume is there. The efficiency was there.

62:06The production's there. Now you have a better offensive line.

62:09You have a better head coach in John Harbaugh.

62:11You have Jackson Dart for the whole season. The passing game is going to be better.

62:16Everything sets up well. Two of the three guys that he's competing with.

62:19He beat out last year very clearly in Tracy and Singletary.

62:22And I'm sorry. Najee Harris. Yes, he may be the number two and have a role and get some touches.

62:28It's typical for more than one running back to play.

62:30I'm not worried about that. But again, Najee was in a role last year where it was like, oh, is he going to start over O'Marrion Hampton?

62:38And he was a non-threat to him. Hampton was clearly better than him right away.

62:42I feel very similar here about this situation. The last two players in the FBS to have at least 1,500 rushing yards

62:48and 500 receiving yards in a single season were who?

62:51Cam Scadaboo and I don't know. Mike Washington Jr.

62:53No, a very famous player, Christian McCaffrey. Oh, wow.

62:55Good pull. How's that for territory? That's the opposite of where I thought that question was going to go.

63:01I was thinking it was like an Austin Eckler or something.

63:04I can't remember where he went exactly. He went to, I think it was Colorado.

63:08We have to check the exact, it's like Colorado Pueblo or something, right?

63:11No, no. It's something state. Western Colorado University. There we go.

63:14Western Colorado University. Shout out Austin Eckler. I think he's in the content creation game these years.

63:19Yeah. Oh, yeah. Huge fantasy football guy. Hey, guys.

63:21How about my breakout? Again, I'm the one that knows what the people are looking for here.

63:26After Mike gave you a guy in the 20s as a potential breakout.

63:29Field, you got a wide receiver in the 30s.

63:32That's okay. Well, for us in the 30s, Mike's way down there.

63:35You're going to do a kicker? Better be a kicker.

63:38I'm talking about my guy who I love in Jalen McMillan.

63:41Let's talk about a breakout. Yeah. The idea of what he can be as a rookie.

63:45I like this. If you remember at the end of the season, his rookie year, weeks 14 through 18, the dude was unbelievable.

63:51Saw over 19 fantasy points per game. Unfortunately, had an injury plagued second year.

63:55But even in his sophomore season, down the stretch, week 17, we saw him come on seven catches for 114 yards on nine targets in championship week.

64:03No one was starting him. But part of it is the idea that we've seen this happen before.

64:07I'm worried that Chris Godwin just won't be the Chris Godwin that we used to see.

64:12We saw Mecca Abuka fall off the cliff a little bit.

64:15And I do like Baker Mayfield as a quarterback.

64:17So even if Abuka is going to be the wide receiver one, and I think he's going to get a ton of targets in this offense.

64:24I think there's a shot that by the time we hit halfway through the season, Jalen McMillan could be pushing to potentially

64:30be the wide receiver two of this squad. If Chris Godwin doesn't look like the Chris Godwin of old.

64:35I think that's the key here. Also, if Abuka is not healthy to open the season, my profile, I wrote on the

64:41site and I have him ranked considerably lower than you.

64:44But what I wrote was McMillan is a fascinating late round sleeper.

64:47I mean, and I stand by that again. That's what we're looking for in these late rounds is a guy who it's

64:53hard to project really high because there's so many mouths to feed.

64:57But he's like one thing away from being a weekly starter.

65:00Yeah, and that's a different. I get asked that all the time.

65:03What's the difference between rankings and projections exactly this?

65:05You know, if one thing happens, suddenly they fly up the rankings.

65:09And actually, that fits for Terrence Ferguson, too. If DeMonte Adams goes down or Naku is suspended four games, they're going way up the right.

65:15I mean, Ferguson will rank top 12 week one if Naku is suspended.

65:19I mean, that's just that's the kind of guy you want to look out late.

65:23So I agree. I finally got a little compliment.

65:25Let's go. Show's over. It's actually literally over. Let's shut it down now.

65:29We're coming back tomorrow. You know what we're talking about tomorrow?

65:32I don't know. We've been sleepers. We should have done that differently.

65:35This should have been the sleepers episode today coming off of the marathon, guys.

65:39We've got 32 and we're going deep sleepers tomorrow.

65:41You're bringing a sleeper for every single day. We're doing it tomorrow.

65:45Yes, indeed. All right. I'm ready. Love that. A sleeper from every single team.

65:49That's going to do it for us. Field Mike and I are going to go take a nap.

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