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1:17Very excited. Mike, great to see you today. Thank you.
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1:23Thank you, Daniel. I was going to say, you look rested.
1:26Yeah, I did. I slept for a long time.
1:29Yeah. I needed that. Yeah. Got to recharge. Look, got to recharge the batteries.
1:32Well, we got a big show for you today.
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2:45The problem is. It's so fun. Last live show, I'm pretty sure you were just there for the zip line.
2:50Like, I don't think you even cared about the live show.
2:53Yeah. I mean, I was. I mean, that's true.
2:56That's true. You guys, you guys had all the interacting.
2:58I was on the zip line. That's the whole time.
3:01Yeah, we're just making. Are we? First, I think you should leave a reference of this year.
3:06Yes. First one of the year. Exactly. Exactly. Field hasn't yelled 55 yet, so.
3:10Start the calendar. 55. It'll happen. There's one. 55 takeaways.
3:12I was going to say, 55 mock draft takeaways.
3:15Let's start with Field. We had a big mock draft yesterday.
3:18Just in case people didn't watch it or be a part of that yesterday.
3:21Real quickly, it is a super flex draft with an extra flex position.
3:25So we had two extra spots. Very deep draft.
3:27A little bit different than our usual ones. Field.
3:30Any major takeaways for you? So this, you have to kind of bake in that you have two extra spots on each roster.
3:36So you can almost move this takeaway up by like a round or two if you're just doing a standard 10 or 12 team league.
3:43Okay. Round six produced four wide receiver picks that I was all about when I saw them come off the board yesterday.
3:49So in a standard league, this might be more like round four.
3:52It's just kind of a reminder that if you don't land a Puka or a Jamar Chase or a Justin Jefferson, JSN,
3:58any of those guys at the very top, because you either go running back heavy or perhaps running back plus tight end
4:04heavy early on with a Trey McBride or a Brock Bowers, there are going to be some awesome wide receiver options somewhere
4:10in the fourth to fifth round in our 10 or 12 team leagues.
4:14The four guys that went in round six specifically yesterday that I loved.
4:17Teddero McMillan. This is not the order, by the way, which they were taken.
4:21It's just the four guys. Just four guys. Teddero McMillan, who had a stretch of four weeks last year where he was a top 12 wide receiver.
4:28We expect a boost in his second year. Clear cut wide receiver one in Carolina.
4:32Devontae Smith, another trendy breakout candidate, AJ Brown, now in New England Patriot.
4:36Devontae Smith, the presumptive wide receiver one for Philadelphia.
4:38Lad McConkie, who we know that Lad two years ago was the toast of the town for the Chargers.
4:43Last season was a mystery. But we're all kind of invested in this Chargers offense and the potential for a breakout.
4:49Mike McDaniel has a need for speed. Lad McConkie offers plenty of that.
4:53And then finally, Emeka Abuka. You guys know my favorite breakout candidate of the year who, through the first five weeks of
4:59last season, was wide receiver three behind only Puka Nakua in Amonra St.
5:02Brown. So the takeaway to apply this to other drafts is just patience will be a virtue at wide receiver.
5:07I'm not telling you to bypass a Puka Nakua or a Jamar Chase, but it can get kind of empty and feel like an inauspicious start.
5:15If you don't have a running back and you're going into the third or fourth round, I don't feel that same way
5:21if I don't have a wide receiver into the third or fourth round.
5:24Yeah. A couple of things here. First of all, that was the order.
5:28They were picked. So well done by you. Way to go.
5:31Nailed it. Also, T. Higgins went right before Abuka.
5:33And we also had Jalen Waddle in the middle.
5:35Now, I know he's a little beat up right now, but that's a lot of talent in that spot, to your point.
5:41And if you look at the running backs that are going in this area, too.
5:45Cam Scadaboo, I like him. We'll talk about him perhaps later.
5:48Quinchon Judkins, fine. But then it's, you know, Trevion Henderson.
5:51We have Tedaroa, Trevion Henderson, who might be a number two running back.
5:55We may talk about that at some point, too.
5:57Then Devontae Smith. Then McConkie. Waddle. Then, I mean, it's super flex.
6:00Sam Darnold. T. Higgins. Janarian Price is a question mark.
6:03Bashal Tootin, a question mark. You know, a breakout guy.
6:06A lot of certified star receivers here are guys that we have very high hopes for.
6:10I think some people, though, might be a little surprised.
6:13And I know ADP kind of reflects this. But I think if you just think like Tedaroa and McMillan, it's like, ah, it's the Panthers offense.
6:20And I don't know if he, like, has that level, that ceiling.
6:23But at Buka, like, there's just so much more hype for it.
6:26Like, Tedaroa is kind of quieter. Sure. But McMillan is going ahead of him at times and well ahead of him in this draft.
6:33I think that kind of makes sense in a lot of ways.
6:36Remember, McMillan went first in the draft. And also, McMillan was a rookie of the year.
6:41Yes, he was. And he was a much safer play in fantasy last year.
6:44Buka started high. And then he really disappeared. McMillan didn't have as high a ceiling.
6:48But his floor was really high because he saw a lot of target volume.
6:52And we, of course, we expect him to go to the next level this year.
6:56So, like, that's how, that's kind of how I still feel about them.
7:00I feel like a Buka is a better shot to be, like, a top five or ten receiver.
7:05But I feel like the floor maybe is a little higher with McMillan, who, in theory, is the more talented player.
7:10I think that's fair. Yeah, I don't know. Well, I would like to attack on it.
7:15I'm going to go second, if you guys don't mind, really quickly, because I think it kind of dovetails off of what Field said.
7:21I, first off, I think the first round is exactly what you should expect in a super flex league.
7:26We saw the first five quarterbacks come off the board in a super flex league.
7:30And I think that's about right. More often than not.
7:33Six actually went to start. Did Joe Burrow come off as well?
7:36I didn't realize Burrow was part of that. So, that was one of my major takeaways.
7:41And then, I like that people pivoted. Don't force the quarterback spot, right?
7:44When you're in a super flex league, sometimes you feel like you need to force a quarterback.
7:49I think people did the right thing in grabbing some nice skill position players.
7:53My takeaway is that I had a perfect draft except for the sixth round.
7:56Perfect. And if I changed it, let's just take a look at this really quickly.
8:00If I change this up, and in the sixth round, I don't take Jadarian Price.
8:05And instead, I take the guy that you just talked about, Emeka Abuka, who was on the board.
8:09Yeah. My lineup, Drake May, Baker Mayfield, James Cook, Omari and Hampton, Emeka Abuka, Jamison Williams, Colston Loveland, DK Metcalf with either Marvin Harrison Jr.
8:16or Michael Wilson. And a 12-team league. The idea that Emeka Abuka can be my wide receiver one and Jamo can be
8:22my wide receiver two, rather than Jamison Williams being my wide receiver one and DK being my wide receiver two.
8:28I like this a lot more, even though I love Jadarian Price.
8:31I didn't need that second or the third running back.
8:34Excuse me. I could have done a lot better here.
8:36So I like this move. This is my non-regret lineup.
8:39Other than that, I'd love to roll into the season with this kind of a squad.
8:43Can I just give you my takeaway from looking at that draft?
8:47Was that listed, like the left column was your picks one through five and the right column was six through 10 in sequential order?
8:53I did not see it. Okay. I think it was.
8:56I'm assuming it was, because that would be the most logical way to present.
9:00Yes, Drake May. How the Marvin Harrisons have fallen.
9:02Oh my gosh. It's still jarring to see Marvin Harrison Jr.
9:05as what I think was your ninth round. Yes.
9:07I mean, it's like a lesson. And, you know, it's one of those where it wasn't fantasy analysts and people in the
9:13media that were just hyping up Marvin Harrison Jr.
9:16I'll continue to go back to this. The Arizona Cardinals are the fourth pick in the draft.
9:20They could have easily moved back in the draft because that was the year in which, obviously, it won Caleb Williams, Jaden
9:26Daniels, Drake May, one, two, three, a quarterback. They could have fetched something for somebody that wanted to move up for a J.J.
9:33McCarthy, a Bo Nix, maybe a Michael Penix Jr.
9:35It seemed like probably J.J. McCarthy was the most likely quarterback the teams are going to move up for.
9:40Wisely, they did not, as you can tell, so far.
9:43The Cardinals were like, no, we have to hang tight because we need this player, Marvin Harrison Jr.
9:48Yeah. They bypassed offers to move down and that's how strongly they felt.
9:51So it wasn't just us who felt that way about Marvin Harrison Jr.
9:55It was the league. It was the Cardinals. And two years in, the investment has not been worth it at all.
10:01They just can't find a way to consistently feature the player to the point that, in fantasy drafts, he's going to the ninth round in the Superflex League.
10:08Crazy. Yeah. And not dead in the water yet, by any means.
10:11Year three. I remember when I started in this industry, it was like, I don't even bother with receivers till year three.
10:17Like, they're just useless. And unless they're maybe like the...
10:20Devontae Adams is a good player for him. Yeah, exactly.
10:23Yeah. Perfect example. Yeah. But that was common back then.
10:26That was the rule. It was the rule with like year two quarterbacks now.
10:29It's like year three receivers back then. So this is year three for him.
10:33It's going to be a big year to make a leap.
10:36It's going to be obviously a new offense. It's not going to be...
10:40It's not going to be the offense we saw with Arizona in the second half last year, where they were just like,
10:46we're going to throw it every time. And that's why a lot of stats were inflated for guys like Trey McBride, who
10:52made a big leap from Murray to Bursette, as well as, of course, Michael Wilson.
10:56And actually, Harrison had a big game with Bursette, but he just didn't play much because he was injured most of the season.
11:02And that was another reason Wilson was so good.
11:04So there's still hope here, and I'm kind of fascinated in what should be an upgraded offensive system here, if he can
11:10kind of get it going in year three. Very fascinating player.
11:13Mike, give me your quick takeaways from this draft.
11:16Yeah. Mine is just... Look, if you pick at the early portion of round one in Superflex, yeah, take a superstar quarterback.
11:22That's fine. But to your point that you just made, you don't have to force it after that because there's going to be a lot of value.
11:29You've got Patrick Mahomes at... I thought he was maybe the best value at the seventh pick in the third round.
11:35Bo Nix. I was going to say it, but I figured, you know...
11:38Actually, no. It's wrong because Bo Nix's a little ahead of him, and he went at 310.
11:43So, tease. Tease. Gotcha. Matthew Stafford, I took the 11th pick of the third round.
11:47So it's Mahomes, Nick Stafford in the third. Fifth round, Baker Mayfield.
11:50And I took Daniel Jones. Then Malik Willis goes the next pick.
11:53And even guys like Sam Darnold as your number two going in the sixth round of a Superflex.
11:58Just a decent floor play. Cam Ward, a breakout player.
12:01Again, a year two quarterback goes in the eighth round.
12:04So you have options. You don't have to force it.
12:06Because remember, you might think, I don't want Darnold as my two or Daniel Jones.
12:11But you're going to have superstars everywhere else because you address them early.
12:14And that's going to give you an edge. I want to use this as an opportunity for us to remind...
12:19Or maybe this is to all of us. Us on the show, viewers, listeners, producers.
12:24I think there's a good segment or even a full show that is the players I fear I'm just too low on.
12:29And Cam Ward would be one of those guys where I'm having a hard time jamming him up my rankings much higher than I currently have him.
12:37At the same time, I do think there's a world in which Cam Ward makes a huge leap.
12:42And I'm like, dang it. Why didn't I have Cam Ward as a top 15 quarterback going into the season?
12:47Obviously, if I felt completely convinced he would be inside my top 15 quarterback.
12:51But there's an interesting list of players I think you come up with.
12:54It's like, I don't have them ranked as high as I would like to.
12:58But I am simultaneously afraid that if I don't get some exposure to them, I'm going to have some major regret during the middle.
13:05Agreed. But the answer, the reason he's not higher is like, okay, once you reach a point where it's worth taking flyers
13:11like that, there's still so much talent at quarterback right now.
13:14Like in that 10 to 20 range, there's so many good options.
13:17Daniel Jones is like my quarterback 17. He's an established, really, like I think if he got the Daniel Jones fantasy level, I'd be pumped for Cam Ward.
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14:42I understand we have questions from the chat. Yeah, let's see what we got.
14:46A couple questions from the chat on the mock draft.
14:49First one here comes from Veronica. Veronica, one of the best, most loyal listeners.
14:53We love Veronica. How much did the draft position matter in selecting teams?
14:56Do you come up with a strategy or adapt to the other players?
15:00Based on where you're at in the draft, it does kind of make a difference.
15:04I go in with this mentality. It's not necessarily a strategy like I have to execute zero RB or I have to
15:10execute this thing, but I do go in with I would like to walk away with these players if I can, and
15:16then if the draft allows me, I take those players.
15:18If not, then I pivot, and it really is.
15:21I don't want to say that simple, but you just do enough research.
15:24That's the pivot if you need to for me.
15:27So I think both questions that Veronica are both factors that Veronica mentioned in the second portion of that question matter, which
15:33is like, do you have a strategy relative to your slot or do you adapt based off of the other drafters in the room?
15:39The slot matters to me in this way, and we've talked about this many times before, but let's reiterate it.
15:45If you're picking towards the end of round one, you're going to have big gaps between your every other round picks.
15:50Yep. If you want a player, you better just take them.
15:53Just don't worry about it because the worst feeling in a draft is when you overthink it.
15:58You think you can just let that player fall into your lap at your next pick, and then you miss him by two or three picks.
16:05So that's how the draft slot matters to me, but I'm always adapting.
16:09We talked about this live during the draft yesterday.
16:11At some point, you could do the math, right?
16:13If it's the third round and half of the teams have already taken two quarterbacks, you're not likely to see those six
16:19teams take a quarterback sometime again soon, and then you can kind of see, all right, I'm four picks away of those players ahead of me.
16:26Three of them, or two of them, have already taken two quarterbacks.
16:30I probably have a quarterback coming my way. If none of them have taken a quarterback, you better prepare for your best
16:36flex option to be your next pick. Always be adapting.
16:38ABA, hashtag ABA. That's a thing. It is? No, it's not.
16:41I just made that up. Oh, okay. You got to have some of that mental gymnastic ability.
16:46I'm always, always, always. Gymnastic ability? Yeah. That's a word, too.
16:49Yeah, we're just making stuff up. You know what I mean?
16:52We need a dictionary, a focused dictionary for this year.
16:55Yes. I have, I told you guys this yesterday.
16:57I was cleaning out my basement recently, and I found a pretty well-maintained set of encyclopedias.
17:01So I don't have a dictionary, but I do have encyclopedias.
17:04We need them here. Are those worth anything? They're probably not worth anything.
17:08Dang. I was hoping you guys were like, oh yeah, Encyclopedia Britannica's are worth $10,000 each, and you have eight of them.
17:14Are they gold-leafed? Yes. Then I'll come over to your house after this.
17:17I think someone was trying to send you a message.
17:20You're like, you need to start reading, man. Someone needs to get learning.
17:24Learn some words. Learn some words, bro. Next one comes from Maddo.
17:27Wants to know, if you had two leagues, would you try to avoid taking the same player in round one in both drafts?
17:33Are you guys diversifying? No. This is a great question, man.
17:36It is a great question. Not necessarily. We do more than two, so it's tricky because you can never really just get the same guys.
17:43I don't have a problem with it because you can look at it either way.
17:47You can look at it as, look, first of all, what's the goal?
17:51The goal is not to finish second or third or make the playoffs.
17:54It's to win the league, right? So if you get, if you're like, Pukunuku is my guy.
17:59That's who I want. He's the guy I want at that spot.
18:02And you take him in both and he's himself.
18:04You have a great chance to make the playoffs and win the championship.
18:08Obviously, if he gets hurt or something, you don't.
18:10But I mean, you can't really play that game, I don't think.
18:14I just take the best guy on the board.
18:16I would love, and we don't get to do this because we're in too many leagues.
18:20I'd love to be able to feel like I can just root for a fantasy player without the caveat of knowing that
18:26I'm also playing against him in about four of the leagues that I'm rooting for him.
18:31Right? So it's just like sometimes it would be nice to just have two versions.
18:35I get CeeDee Lamb in both leagues, and I'm all in on CeeDee Lamb, and I never have to root against him.
18:41All right. So if it's just two leagues, fair thoughts from you guys.
18:44But let's be honest. We're sickos. And so are a lot of the people that are watching or listening right now.
18:50And they probably play in a half dozen leagues or more.
18:53I hope so. This may well be to my detriment, but I've never finished worse than first in a fantasy league, so apparently it's working.
19:00Interesting. No reaction from Mike. Mike is just nonplussed.
19:02He's still tired. He's in one-team leagues. We know that.
19:05We've addressed this before. No, I am like, I have such gigantic FOMO if at the end of our many drafts that
19:11we do, and I would say the average number of leagues I play in is on the low end, 10, on the
19:17high end, probably 16, 17 in a given year.
19:19If there's a megastar I don't have, it gnaws at me.
19:22At the end of this year's draft cycle, I've come away with no—honestly, it's usually the guys at the very top, no
19:28B-Jean or Jameer Gibbs, because you have to get lucky enough to get the first or second pick to get them most likely.
19:34It's going to just bother me all season long.
19:37So I like to diversify the portfolio. I'm always trying to win each league, and I'm always roster constructing based off of
19:43who I took early in the draft, but I want exposure to every notable player, every single one.
19:48Yeah, fair enough. I mean, I don't think about it that way.
19:51Just like I don't spend much time looking at bye weeks, I'm just like— Oh, bye weeks?
19:56If he's at the top of my board, I'm taking the guy.
19:59Yeah, bye weeks I don't care about as much either, but dude, I definitely need some skin in the game.
20:04I will say this, best ball, certainly I'm more likely to diversify there.
20:08You don't want—early on, I was taking so much Jeremiah love.
20:11He was just coming, and I was like, all right, I have too much here.
20:15If it doesn't work out, I'm burnt in best ball.
20:18So it just kind of depends on your format as well.
20:20All right, last one we have here comes from Justin Stoddard.
20:23League I'm in has a draft order being set 30 minutes prior to the draft.
20:28What's the best way for you guys to prepare for this?
20:31That's what we just said, ABA. Always be adapting.
20:33Yeah, I think you need to do—part of this is do a bunch of mock drafts so that you can understand how
20:39the board is breaking, because that's as much preparation as you can do.
20:42You don't get the option, the luxury of knowing where you're going to be drafting from.
20:47So just get used to seeing how the board usually breaks, and that will help you identify value, because you're like, oh,
20:53usually Jeremiah love has gone eight picks before this, and it lets you see stuff like that.
20:57So I think just being able to dive in and be a part of the mock draft exercise is very valuable.
21:03Okay, so I do want people to chime in.
21:05If you're listening, send us a tweet. If you're watching right now, hit us up in chat or tweet at us, whatever you prefer.
21:12Maybe tomorrow we can run through a list of the best ways to determine your draft order.
21:17Oh, yes. Because, you know, if it's just automatically generated, the result is still important, but the process to get there is kind of uninspiring.
21:23So I want to know the best way you and your leagues decide the draft order.
21:28I like that field. I like it. We do a 40-yard dash every year in the FFNow League, which is why Mike
21:34has picked 12th each of the past few years.
21:36Last in every single year. Yes, that's true. Didn't we do an obstacle course for draft order one time and how'd that end?
21:42I don't remember what. Yowzer! Well, Mike, did you make it on TMZ?
21:46Yeah, I did. I was standing there healthy as you were walking like this.
21:50That's mean, Mike. I tried to get them to start 40 times on that, but they didn't do it.
21:55Yeah. Honestly, what a bad self-own that was for me.
21:58Damn it. It wasn't great. You set that up.
22:00It was almost too easy. I was like, should I do it?
22:03The answer is always. Always. Always. I mean, I did.
22:06All right, guys, let's talk about some training camp.
22:08Let's do it. Yeah, we're back, boys. Let's do it.
22:11Training camp is back 10 days into camp. What do we need to know?
22:15A couple of things that are going on. We honestly just brought a bunch of camp buzz.
22:20Yeah. Stuff that has caught our attention field. I'm going to start with you.
22:23What's one of the things that you've just been gnawing at you that you've seen from camp?
22:28By the way, just before we get into this, Keith reminds me that Tristan does a column.
22:33Yes. Tristan H. Cockroft. The H stands for happy.
22:35It's going to be available on ESPN.com. It's the best picks from each draft slot.
22:39Love that. So it's a helpful tool if you have one all the way through however many teams are in your leagues.
22:45All right. So it's 10-ish days into camp. Yeah.
22:47Some of the biggest stuff that we have heard from camp.
22:50We're going to scrape a little bit deeper than this.
22:53But to me, the single most important thing for fantasy that I've seen so far in training camp is that after an
22:59offseason where it looked like he might be out for four to six games, Malik Nabors looks like he's going to be available.
23:05Week one. That is my number one, too. Jordan Renan.
23:08All right. So we're all in lockstep there. Jordan Renan noted that barring a setback, Malik Nabors is expected to play week one against the Cowboys.
23:15If you care, he has owned the Cowboys in three games.
23:18Let's be honest. Most receivers have owned the Cowboys recently.
23:21Malik Nabors, I mean, if you knew you were going to have him available in week one, he'd be going much higher
23:27than where we have seen him routinely go, which I'm getting him in the middle of the third round frequently.
23:32This is just a great question. Why don't we look at a full screen really quickly?
23:37Because my question is, if you say by September 1, right now it's August 10th.
23:41Yep. He's going off the board. It's wide receiver 14, ADP of 38.
23:44That's the fourth round. That's insane. 38th. Yeah. So if we get to, let's say September 1st, we're like the week before the season starts.
23:51These are the wide receivers that are going ahead of Malik Nabors.
23:54How high do you think he would rise for you?
23:57Where would you want to be taking him? If you thought he was fully healthy heading into the season?
24:02I can tell you where I have him. I already have him ranked wide receiver nine.
24:06You're at nine? Yes. And it's right. It's like neck and neck with AJ Brown.
24:10But you're still hedging a little bit or no?
24:13No, that's like about as high as I'll go with Malik Nabors.
24:16Because I do think that he is more talented than some of the players ranked inside the first eight of wide receivers.
24:22And while I expect him to play in week one, I also think the Giants will be a little bit judicious with him.
24:28Not enough to move him much further down than wide receiver nine.
24:32Sure. But I think wide receiver nine is a good range for him.
24:35I think that's totally fair. I think Drake London's probably my measuring stick right there.
24:39I mean, this guy, Nabors, I mean, it's easy to forget how dominant he was in that first year.
24:44Yeah, he was. You want to do it? Well, rookie receiving record in terms of catch.
24:49I'm the stat guy. So yeah, you tell us.
24:51You tell us. 35% target share, over 11 targets per game.
24:54He was top 30 in scoring all but two weeks, which is just to have that floor is incredible, including 10 straight weeks to finish that rookie season.
25:02I mean, think about that floor you had in your lineup every week, not to mention the ceiling he delivered.
25:07Uh, what's interesting about him though, is not to mention coming off the injury.
25:11This is where there's, this could be good or bad.
25:14Some of this coming off the injuries, the bad part, but you have Jackson dart who has thrown ready for this three passes to him.
25:20It's crazy last year, just three passes. He's thrown in a regular season game.
25:24You have a new head coach. You have a new play caller.
25:27There's just a lot of changes in New York.
25:30So as we've seen, like I'm trying to think of an example or think Brian Thomas, right?
25:34Like we talked about this yesterday, very good connection with Mac Jones, not as much with Trevor Lawrence.
25:39So we don't really know what the dark to neighbors connection is.
25:43We don't know what this offense is going to look like necessarily.
25:46So there's more question marks than just, is he fully healthy?
25:49But I believe in the talent. So as far as I'm concerned, you get past the like St.
25:54Brown, Lamb, Jefferson, and then that's the line. I think London neighbors, Rasheed Rice, I think they're all right.
25:59And so you'd have him after Drake London, but ahead of Rasheed Rice, AJ Brown.
26:03I would say eight is where I would put him.
26:06I'd put him in that range. Because Rice has questions.
26:08Just for the podcast listeners at home that didn't get a chance to see the full screen, the wide receivers that are right next to him.
26:15We're talking about Garrett Wilson, Chris Olave, George Pickens, Nico Collins, AJ Brown, and Rasheed Rice.
26:20I think I'd have him inside the top 10 and he'd probably be right in that eight to nine range.
26:25I'd probably have him ahead of Nico and right in that AJ Brown conversation, which I think is very close to where you've got him feel.
26:32And to be clear, I'm still hedging a little bit more in the rankings.
26:36I have him closer to 14 right now, but I'm monitoring this.
26:39So the more optimism there is, that'll be a full, because we don't know, you can be limited the first few weeks,
26:45you know, like I'm, I'm, I'm still trying to get a feel.
26:49We need no setbacks. We need, we still need to get to the start of the season.
26:53There's still reason to hedge a little bit. Maybe we can package these into one show, but another, I think very notable
26:59preseason topic is the biggest ranking changes you've seen from call it July 30th, August 30th.
27:03Cause things do, of course things change, right? Injuries, performances, what coaches have to say about things.
27:08Reporting from boots on the ground, like all this stuff impacts things.
27:11And Malik neighbors has a chance to be a riser in rankings.
27:15I like how you feel just live producing the show, like future shows, like, let's just write down.
27:19We got this show we're going to do on Tuesday.
27:22We're doing this show. We got this one. I'm high on these ideas.
27:26Yes. Yeah. Mike, give me one of your training camp buzzes.
27:29What is, what's one of the things about the table?
27:31So one of my favorite things to do. And like, again, we, we monitor social.
27:35We're seeing all the commentary from beat reporters and our fellow analysts out there.
27:39And some of them are, many of them are very exceptional.
27:42The industry is great in that regard. We've so much talent out there, but it's just funny to just see guys get hyped up out of nowhere.
27:50And sometimes like, you just have to really understand and pick your spots when it matters, because sometimes a guy will get
27:55hyped up for being the training camp star. And that it's like a day three rookie.
28:00And that just means like, they're going to make the team.
28:03Like they're doing so well. Sure. They're not going to be in the practice squad or get waved.
28:08They're making the 53. I was just going to say that.
28:11Cyrus Allen. Oh, I have a list here. So there's a couple of these guys who I think it's worth taking notes
28:17of other guys where it's just like, this is not worth your time.
28:20Okay. So, uh, stripling for San Francisco is an example of a player who it's worth paying attention to do because I would agree on that.
28:27So I got injured overall pick. Yeah. Mike Evans has had injury issues recently.
28:31He's 33 years old. Like this is a guy who the hype is worthwhile because this guy could start.
28:36He might be their leading target getter this year.
28:39And we know it's highly efficient offense. Jacoby lane in Baltimore.
28:42I'll have more. Even if he's exceptional, right? Is he going to get past Rashad Bateman to be the two?
28:47Maybe he does. And let's say he does that.
28:49Is that enough for him to be a starter in fantasy?
28:52Probably not. So I just give you a quick number to help answer that question for you.
28:57This will be, I'll get rid of one of my takeaways.
29:00Obviously it's a new offensive coordinator. So there's a chance that things change, but I still don't think this offense is going
29:06to limit Lamar Jackson entirely as a runner. During Lamar's starting tenure, his top pass catcher, top wide receiver has been inside the top 23 once.
29:13That was actually Zay Flowers last year as wide receiver 13.
29:16The highest, the wide receiver two for the Ravens has ranked with Lamar as the starter.
29:20Wait, let me guess on this. 37th. 46th. That was Rashad Bateman two seasons ago.
29:24Oh yeah. That's right. Yeah. It's just, you know, you just take away some passing volume because Lamar is going to run.
29:30Yep. You have the most durable, best power running back.
29:33Yep. Right now, at least of the last 20 years, probably in Derrick Henry.
29:37Like when you run the football, it chews up the clock.
29:40The game moves faster. Like there's just probably fewer overall plays available.
29:43So while Jacoby Lane is having a great camp to the point that our Jamison Hensley said this, and I quote, in
29:4927 years of covering the Ravens, I'm not sure I've seen a rookie have a trading camp quite like wide receiver Jacoby Lane.
29:55Yeah. But that's my point. Like even if it all goes great and he's the number two receivers, that enough to be a fantasy starter?
30:02Probably not. I would say he is like the definition of like a 14th to 16th round pick at this point.
30:08Yeah, exactly. So late round flyer, but that's it.
30:10And there's other examples. Ted Hurst is another one.
30:13Generally, he's the future ex of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, but you have a Mecca Buka.
30:17You have Chris Godwin. You have Jalen McMillan, Tez Johnson.
30:20I concur there. Kate Ott is going to get a couple of kids.
30:23Like there's just too many mouths to feed. Trey Harris, same kind of thing with the Chargers.
30:28You still have Quentin Johnson and you obviously you still have Ladd McConkie, the tight ends, brother mouths to feed.
30:33You're not going to like this one. Kayshawn Booty, same thing.
30:36I mean, they went out and got Romeo Dobbs and AJ Brown.
30:40They're not just going to chill while Kayshawn Booty's out there.
30:43He'll have some big catches. He'll have some big plays.
30:45But if he wasn't delivering last year in fantasy, you're going to tell me they're going to bring in Brown and Dobbs
30:51and then he's going to be a fantasy. No, no chance.
30:54Pat Bryant, same thing. Waddle and Sutton. Malachi Fields, maybe if he wins the two, but probably not.
30:59Brandon Thompson's getting hype. He's the real deal. I saw a quote the other day.
31:03He looks sure as a returner and a depth guy, but he's not going to he's not going to make much noise.
31:09And the last one I will, I will say this one could happen if there's an injury, but Colby Young is the fourth rounder for the Bengals.
31:16Light to Mazda. Only if, if, if Chaser Higgins get hurt, but that's not a draftable guy.
31:21So these are just like every day you see them.
31:24There's a report every day of a guy like this.
31:26You have to see through and decide, look, does he even have a path to fantasy relevance in almost all of these cases?
31:33And these are guys that have got a lot of hype.
31:36The answer's probably not. The disrespect to not even mention Isaac Teslaw is really.
31:39I don't know. I actually, he's one of the few I saw a negative report on.
31:44And I was going to say that. Almost unheard of.
31:47Dan Campbell came out and said, he's got to do more than just make one handed catches.
31:51He's going to block. He's going to block his butt off, but he's got to do more than that.
31:56He's not a guy that I think is a sleeper necessarily, even though I love that Lions offense.
32:01What do you got? Can I ask you a question about the Vikings?
32:05Maybe. Yes. Depends what the question is. I give, I grant permission.
32:08JJ McCarthy was really bad last year. Yeah. And we're 10 days into camp and we haven't named a starter.
32:13No surprise. Is that a no surprise thing to you?
32:16They haven't named a starter, but they've named a starter.
32:19How does that work? Why would they not name a starter then field?
32:22It's a competition. Why is it a, how is it a competition?
32:26Because of Kyler Murray. I mean, we have what?
32:28How many more weeks until the games begin? Yeah.
32:30But weeks, if you're Kyler Murray, you came in to start for this football team.
32:35Like it's not, it shouldn't be a competition with how bad JJ McCarthy was last year.
32:39Remember how far Kyler Murray had fallen, right? I mean, the guy got cut and they had one of the biggest dead money cap charges ever.
32:46Like Kyler was kind of radioactive in the world of the NFL.
32:49He's there making the minimum. Like I think Kyler went there with an understanding that he has an awesome chance of being the week one starter.
32:56He's going to have to stay sharp to keep that job throughout the rest of the season.
33:01I'm not surprised. Like I would say it's pretty rare that we see a team name a starter in a true competition
33:07this early in camp absent when it's the veteran.
33:09Ironically, he's in this situation again. Jacoby Brissett ahead of the rookie drafted quarterback like Drake May and now Carson Beck.
33:15I'm not surprised by it. Actually, one of my takeaways is that Kyler Murray is the likely QB one.
33:20Really? Yeah. I mean, I think that the Vikings want to see this process play out.
33:24Like if if Kyler, you know, craps the bed for the next 10 days, then JJ probably does have some life if he plays well.
33:31It seems like he just has to the idea that he hasn't been named the starter.
33:36I understand all the things that you're saying. Yeah.
33:38JJ McCarthy was just so bad that to feel like Kyler hasn't shown enough already is like, does that make me have
33:44to be nervous about what Kyler is bringing to the field right now?
33:47Are you guys nervous? I am not nervous. I think from the Vikings perspective, it's this it's if you are like, okay,
33:53Kyler's just the guy you're accepting quarterback purgatory, right?
33:56As a franchise for a while, just for a little while, you don't have your long-term franchise quarterback, which is just massive in this game.
34:03There's nothing more important than hitting on that player.
34:05However, if you feel like, okay, we know what we have in Kyler Murray.
34:09Here's the, here's the line. And JJ McCarthy is able to eclipse that.
34:12That's great news for that franchise. That means, okay, this guy was a young quarterback in the league.
34:17He missed his whole first year, struggled in his set in his first de facto NFL season.
34:22But now we made a big leap and suddenly he actually seems to be better than Kyler Murray.
34:27His trajectory is going up. This is huge for our franchise.
34:30That's why you don't name him yet. I think you just, you just hope he improves, but I don't, I don't think it's so.
34:36I don't run an NFL franchise. The part why that feels weird to me is if you wanted to bring in a veteran with the thought J.J.
34:44McCarthy, J.J. McCarthy was going to continue to make that like leap slowly, but we're getting there.
34:48Then I don't think that I would want to bring in a guy that is still clearly going to try to be the starter.
34:55And I'm going to have some feelings if I'm not the guy, I think that an older quarterback would be a much better option.
35:01But who is? So I guess we have to go back in time and go to March and say, all right, Kyler
35:07Murray, by the way, making $1.35 million pennies for an NFL quarterback, which is a crazy thing to say about $1.35 million in general.
35:14Who would you have preferred the Vikings pursued this off season?
35:17Her cousins. I mean, I think you, I think Kyler is them aiming higher.
35:20A team that has a big defense. Aiming higher for what?
35:23But if you want J.J. McCarthy to be the guy, then you're not aiming high on Kyler.
35:28I think that's. Here's, I think the untold part of this, Daniel.
35:31I don't think they believe in J.J. McCarthy anymore.
35:34That's. So that's where I'm at. If they don't believe in him, then why have they not just come out and said, Kyler, you're the guy.
35:41You're hedging. I think you have to with a team that's built that way, too, especially a guy like Kyler, who has
35:47kind of evolved into, yes, he can run, but more conservative.
35:50Like he's been better about just getting the ball in the hands of his skill guys.
35:54So it kind of fits. But you still want McCarthy motivated and you want him to be the guy you drafted.
36:00Like you hoped you had when you would have when you drafted him.
36:03No team that's in a competition. And right now, obviously the Browns are in a competition.
36:08The Falcons are. The Vikings are. Sort of the Cardinals, but not really.
36:11Like no one's named a starter that's in a true competition.
36:14So to me, I'm not bothered by it. I think J.J.
36:17McCarthy. I think at this point, the best pathway forward for J.J.
36:20McCarthy is a bad pathway for the Vikings, which is that Kyler starts.
36:24He plays so poorly and they have no choice but to roll out J.J.
36:28McCarthy. But this is always a dynamic that we have in play.
36:31What does that mean for Justin Jefferson? If they have to make the move to J.J.
36:35McCarthy because it's that bad. I don't think that good quarterback play or bad quarterback play.
36:40I'm going to screw this up, but like Justin Jefferson can still have bad quarterback play and be a great fantasy player.
36:46Like the guy was dominant. Atrocious. Yeah. Well, I just mean, it can be atrocious as long as I throw the football to Justin Jefferson.
36:52That's right. I mean, like it wasn't good. But like the year in which they were trotting out Nick Mullins and Jaron
36:58Hall, like it wasn't like it was great quarterback.
37:01Correct. But they got the ball to Justin Jefferson.
37:03That's just an outlier. I think they're just set up to be about a 500 team.
37:08I just think that with Kyler. You know, I think he's serviceable, but it's just a great future of the franchise.
37:13I didn't mean to make us linger on Kyler Murray for so long.
37:17It's okay. No charges offensive lineman is hurt right now.
37:19Love that. Huge. That's huge. Yes. Right. And I saw a chart recently and I'm totally screwing up.
37:24Like who is. We'll talk about that in a second.
37:27Which teams have seen the most attrition or change amongst their offensive line?
37:31And the chargers are near the top of that list because of two players returning from injury and Joe Walt and also
37:37Rashawn Slater and then some changes they made personnel wise.
37:39And it's not just two players. There's like two like.
37:42Yeah. Like all pro level tackles. Yeah. You know, they drafted a Jake Slaughter in the second round.
37:47Like they signed Cole Strange. Like it's good. Yeah.
37:49Like I wouldn't want it if, you know, if, if the, whoever you thought with the Rams changed out a bunch of
37:55offensive linemen, I'd be like, that's not great. The Rams had a good offensive line last year.
38:00The chargers, everybody should have been under evaluation. Yep.
38:02That's really good. Good. So it just, it, for as great as, as, as my hope is for this offense, the offensive
38:08line is the way in which the wheels could fall off fastest.
38:12Yes. They are talking about Mike McDaniel had a quote yesterday, which now what Tuesday he added on Monday about like bad news for fantasy owners.
38:19Like everybody is going to eat, you know, all three running backs are going to play a real role.
38:24Um, many people have already dug up comments from Mike McDaniel two years ago when he talks about how there are four
38:30starters in the backfield and then Devon HM went on to become RB five for the season.
38:34Um, I still think of Martin Hampton is the guy.
38:37I just said the Keaton Mitchell's role will be real enough to bite away at some of Hampton's value, but for the
38:43overall wellness of the offense, the fact that no charges, offensive lineman is hurt.
38:47Good news. Hampton was hurt by it last year.
38:49He had 124 carries last season that are Martin Hampton.
38:52He had just three explosive runs. For a six foot two, 220 pound back who runs four, four, four.
38:57Like that's not a good rate. And I think a lot of it was chalked up to just how bad the offensive line was.
39:04Are we talking about that running back commentary? Do we have any further thought?
39:07We talked about, uh, Hampton yesterday. Yeah. I mean, so he's five, I'm 12 or 13 on Hampton.
39:12You're sort of in the mind. I think I said yesterday.
39:15So kind of in that range. So you're not adjusting based on comment.
39:19Yeah. Um, we have a board bet on CMC versus Amari and Hampton.
39:22For the season. You have CMC Hampton. Who has who?
39:25I have Hampton. I have CMC. Okay. We're going to talk about it.
39:29We'll talk about it. We'll get into, uh, the thoughts on that.
39:32Interesting. Yeah. Uh, I love that though. This is huge for fantasy because it's not just Hampton.
39:36Everyone. I mean, Justin Herbert should be better. Lad McConkie should be better.
39:40That's that will be massive for the whole. Yeah.
39:42I still, uh, I'm not, I don't think I'm moving the needle much on Hampton.
39:46Maybe it would break a tie here. They stuff the comments you're saying.
39:50But I think the bottom line is if like last year when both guys were healthy, it was, I mean, it was Hampton.
39:56I mean, they wanted to go to him as their feature back.
39:59You took him in the first round. I still would say he's very clearly the better player.
40:04Of course. He's the best. But now, so I'm not worried about him.
40:08And yeah, Keaton Mitchell's going to have a role in the offense.
40:11We already know that that's already baked in. So I, yeah, I'm not super worried about it.
40:15Keaton Mitchell is fields. It's Kalen Balazs for this season.
40:18No, but I think I have him ranked like RB 49.
40:21That's exactly right. Yes. It has very little to do with the standalone value of Keaton Mitchell.
40:26It has a lot to do with just, if you're trying to decide whether a Marion Hampton or Derrick Henry should be
40:32your second round pick, a nice way to break that tie for me is take Derrick Henry because of Keaton Mitchell now
40:38playing for the Chargers, not the Ravens. Fair enough.
40:40Not that Mitchell did much in Baltimore anyway, but it's just like, I think he's got, you know, I think he's going to have, it's not even upside.
40:48I just think he's going to have a role.
40:50Like again, like they didn't pay him $6 million to just be a special teams guy.
40:55Oh, you're right. Right. So like if he's playing 35% of the snaps, whatever, if he's playing 25% of the offensive snaps
41:00and Keamani Vidal is playing 20% of the offensive snaps, a Marion Hampton at 55% of the snaps is different than a
41:06Marion Hampton at 65% of the snaps. I will be writing Mike McDaniel, a strongly worded letter.
41:11If a Marion Hampton is playing only 55% of the snaps, it's possible.
41:15Mike, what do you got? All right. Mine is the Washington offense.
41:18I think that is one that is obviously had a lot of news so far in training camp.
41:23We had a major injury. So first you're like, Oh, this could be a problem for this offense with Laramie Tunsell going
41:29out for maybe the whole regular season, but certainly a big chunk.
41:32A while. One of the best left tackles in the NFL.
41:35I, in my unit grades, I dropped Washington to 32nd with their current offensive line system.
41:39That could change a little bit in the NFL.
41:42There are 32 teams. Yeah. So they fell to dead last.
41:45They're already shaky. But Tunsell is one of the best tackles in the NFL.
41:48So that is a huge loss. However, just moments later, a couple of days later, they signed Stefan Diggs.
41:54So that upgrades the offense a little bit. I think at the bottom line is I'm not moving the needle much for Jaden Daniels.
42:00So I'm a little concerned about the offensive line, but his supporting cast is better than what he has had.
42:06Yep. And obviously adds a lot of value with his legs, which is huge.
42:09Also, as part of this is JCM hype a little bit.
42:12Can this guy be involved in the passing game is the question.
42:16And that is huge for him because if he, if Krosky Merritt is not involved in the passing game, he's just not
42:22going to be a starter in fantasy. And he wasn't last year.
42:25And that really cost him. Rashad White is obviously there and going to be involved in that backfield.
42:30But I'm very interested to see if they try to feature JCM in the backfield or in the, in the passing game
42:36during the preseason a little bit, because if we can get to up hit 30, 40 catches, there could be something there.
42:42But so far, the hype is stronger. Interesting. Yeah, I'm low.
42:45I'm low. I have not adjusted my JCM rankings yet.
42:47I have a heart. I mean, they were like totally disinterested in throwing the football.
42:51I know. Like it was, he was one of those guys.
42:54We used to see this with the Patriots all the time where it was like, you had the running back that played
43:00on running downs and you had the running back to put in the passing downs and say whatever you want about Rashad
43:06White as a runner and his efficiency. He'll hit you up on Instagram if that happens.
43:11That's a callback to when he DM'd like angrily a few years ago.
43:14Yeah. He is an effective pass catching running back.
43:17So it wouldn't surprise me if he does maintain that role in DC and JCM is still the guy that, you know, the, the traditional running downs.
43:24He is the man. I got one more. Please go for it.
43:27I'm just really pumped that Daniel Jones looks like he's been playing well and looks healthy.
43:32That has been fantastic. Not just for Daniel Jones, because he's one of those late round quarterbacks that you can wait on,
43:37but I think for the offense as well, you look at Michael Pittman and what he has done over the last five
43:43years in Indianapolis, the dude has been a target monster, at least 111 targets for five straight seasons.
43:48And now he's going to leave this offense. And we already know that when you look at it, we're going to have the full screen up here.
43:56It'll be able to see all the things that Michael Pittman did.
43:59111, 110, 154, 142, 129 ton of volume. Yeah.
44:01He was wide receiver, 20 or higher in four of the last five seasons.
44:05So he is getting a ton of production as well.
44:08And now they signed Alec Pierce to a bunch of money started on the pop list.
44:12Still there. And we're going to see what that means.
44:15Cause it's also their thing. They're kind of talking about a role change with him.
44:19Well, you know, role changes. This is the time of year when it would be really valuable to be out there.
44:25If you're going to have a role change, to be honest, Josh Downs also has a groin injury.
44:30We've never seen him be the alpha, the number one.
44:32I feels like Tyler Warren last year who had 111 targets.
44:35Would it be crazy to you guys to say that he has upwards of 140 to 150 targets this season?
44:41That's a big number, but no, um, that's like an extra two targets per game.
44:45Yeah. Yeah. I think that seems high to me.
44:47Let me see what I have him at. Um, it would seem like Alec Pierce and Josh Downs, like remaining on the sideline would lead to that.
44:55Um, it would also include, well, so they throw inertia behind those two.
44:58It also would require some inertia. Like the Colts feel like a prime make a trade for a wide receiver.
45:03There's no, but Ashton Doolin and who else is there?
45:06Who else is the wide receiver? Nick Westbrook. Right.
45:09Like the Nick Westbrook reference. You're not doing that.
45:11Like we're throwing the ball to Tyler Warren. And by the way, I talked about the ADOT last week.
45:16I like, this is just a prime situation where yesterday I said, you know what?
45:20Because of the Luther burden thing, I might, I might move Colson Loveland finally ahead of Tyler Warren.
45:25You change your mind. When I look back in on this, I'm all, I think Tyler Warren with what his target share
45:31could be in this offense could finish as the tight end one in fantasy with the volume that he's potentially going to get from Daniel Jones.
45:38And he's going to carry the ball. Could get a rushing touchdown mix in there as well.
45:43Um, but I'm a little mad because you are talking right now about two of my most drafted players.
45:48Michael, Michael Pittman is my most drafted player. I love Michael Pittman.
45:51By far. Really? Rogers also can't throw the ball more than five yards down.
45:55I mean, Pittman going in the eighth round. I mean, last year I loved him and he was going in the 10th round.
46:01Now he's only moving up to the eighth after a certain other certified terrific season.
46:05And Tyler Warren's my value target at tight end.
46:08He's been going after at that tier all year long.
46:10So, all right. Well, Matt, you right now for stealing.
46:13Sorry about that. Guys, but, um, I'm just pumped that Daniel Jones is healthy because we'd be having a different conversation if
46:19there was a different quarterback under center. No offense, Field Jates, but I am just cause nevermind.
46:24No, just cause you know why. What's happening? Cause of the Anthony Richardson under center.
46:28Oh yeah. I was the only, that was out of the game.
46:31Yeah. Speaking of guys having negative training camp reports.
46:33I mean, he's on the, there's maybe like three guys.
46:36I can't get a bag of peanuts for him right now.
46:39No, it's tough. No, no, no. It's tough. All right.
46:42My last one's a deeper cut. I like deep cuts.
46:45I just, and I'll make it quick here. Mekhi Lemon's been dealing with an injury for Philly and his absence, first of
46:51all, puts like a little bit of cold water on the idea of him being like a, an early star for the Eagles.
46:57And then second of all, Dontavia and Wicks, this kind of goes hand to hand, has looked really sharp.
47:02There was a time in which Nick Sirianni invoked some Keenan Allen when describing Dontavia and Wicks game.
47:07You know, this precise route runner, reliable hands, middle of the field Maven.
47:10There are worse guys to be compared to than Keenan Allen.
47:13And I think coaches tend to do this. Like obviously Nick Sirianni knows that Keenan Allen's a future Hall of Famer.
47:19Dontavia and Wicks is just, has like yet to be more than a wide receiver three, but there are shades of what
47:25he brings to the table that remind you of what Keenan Allen brought to the table, maybe still brings to the table.
47:31And so Dontavia and Wicks has emerged as sort of like the late round Philly flyer that I like as much as any other wide receiver.
47:38Totally fine with that. I feel similar to Lemon in that I haven't drafted him really at all because this is, you
47:44had former Heisman Trophy winning super, maybe we don't go as far as superstar, but he's a star, Devontae Smith, right?
47:50Yeah. He was kind of in the shadow of AJ Brown, which is kind of my point.
47:54He was kind of like under the radar, but a very good player.
47:58As far as number two receivers go, he is excellent.
48:01One of the best in the NFL. And yet he kind of struggled like to, he was like hanging on as a
48:06wide receiver to usually in the wide receiver, three conversation points per game.
48:10When AJ Brown was out there, it took that level of player just to hang on to borderline wide receiver, two numbers.
48:16And now he, you know, AJ Brown's gone. Smith moves into that one spot, which is good for him.
48:21But is there enough target volume to support another wide receiver?
48:24That's the question. It is a new offense, but it's still Jalen Hurts.
48:28And he's still going to be, he's still going to run the ball out.
48:31You still have Saquon Barkley. Dallas Goddard's going to have a 20% target share.
48:35There are, I think it's going to be hard to get consistent fantasy production from the second receiver in that offense this year.
48:41That's just my thought. Late round flyer for me for that reason.
48:45And I'll say this last thing I'll say, nobody knows that offense on the roster better than Don Tavian Wicks.
48:50He's the guy that came over from, maybe they have a couple other guys that were scrap heap type players, but the
48:56biggest packer to change teams to Philadelphia this off season is Don Tavian Wicks.
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51:05All right. Now time for my favorite segment. WTF, Mike Clay.
51:08I love it where we just ask you, what's wrong with your brain?
51:11I'm not that high. I'm not that high. I'm not like wildly high.
51:15I'm so high. I'm so high. I'm so high on love.
51:18Me too. I'm high as well. You are so high today.
51:21Oh, God. I was high and not sleeping is what I was.
51:24Is that what it was? Yeah. I hope that makes the chat laugh as much as it makes us laugh.
51:30That was fun. It was a fun time. Well done.
51:32Mike, you got a couple of rankings that we just think are absolutely ridiculous.
51:36You were clearly using the ganja when this happened.
51:39Some of them. Some of them. You two should be debating because there are some players you guys brought up who I'm
51:44like, I have the same ranking, but the one of you is like way off.
51:49All right. Listen, anytime we can make Mike the foil.
51:51That's exactly. That's what that's what I can defend everything.
51:54Bring it. Well, clearly. All right. I, it looks like you were on vacation when you did a lot of his ranking.
52:00So I want to start with this. Justin Herbert.
52:02This is me. Got him at quarterback six. You've got him at quarterback 14.
52:06That's not even the same zip code. You want to defend your honor.
52:10Yeah, let's we've heard fields argument. I want to hear it again, but I want to hear yours first.
52:15Why are you so out on Justin Herbert? Yeah.
52:17So let's think about last year. First of all, we'll start there.
52:21Okay. So inside the top 10 and pass attempts, passing yards, touchdowns, very productive.
52:24And he ran a lot to fifth and carry second and rushing yards among quarterbacks career highs there.
52:29So that all sounds pretty good, right? Yeah. Yeah.
52:32He finished 10th at quarterback and fantasy points last year and had five top five fantasy weeks.
52:36No other finishes better than 13th. So it wasn't even with those pretty big passing and rushing numbers.
52:41He didn't quite get to a ceiling where he was delivering consistently elite numbers.
52:45So there's that. Now, after last season, if you look at it on a points per game basis, he has finished between 11th and 15th.
52:52Each of the past four seasons, 11th to 15th, each of the past four seasons, he has one finish in his entire career better than eighth at quarterback.
52:59So we've seen him have an elite season one time so far this season.
53:03I know that the offensive line is very healthy, which is obviously good for me.
53:07The new play, a play caller in Mike McDaniel, McDaniel had some success currently in Miami, but not all the time.
53:13He's not employed as their head coach anymore. And the offense was a disaster last season and was kind of all over the map while he was there.
53:20I think Justin Herbert with how deep quarterback is, is a fringe quarterback one, but I don't think he should be ranked sixth where you have him six.
53:28There's just too many safer, better, more polished, more productive options.
53:31A quarterback. I am so high on Justin Herbert.
53:34I can see that. But like, but like, so what you said is fair about how the offense last year was not good.
53:40That was a Tua Tungo-Vailoa problem. Like the quarterback was the issue in Miami.
53:44I do not believe the system or the person calling the plays was the issue.
53:48The two years prior to Mike McDaniel showing up in Miami, the dolphins were 27th and yards per play, third in yards per game.
53:54And those two years after he got there, when guys actually stayed healthy and performed capably, they were first in yards per
54:00play and third in yards per game. Like this is just a system that is sort of a fantasy cheat code.
54:06So we can certainly be, you know, agree to disagree.
54:08I've used the stat a couple of times. He had seven games last year, did Herbo with 225 passing yards and 30 or more rushing yards.
54:16Versatile player. Great system. I'm in. By the way, better offensive line in LA or Miami.
54:20That would be LA. All right. And better skill position players around the quarterback.
54:24I mean, by the end of last season, it got really thin.
54:27It was real bad. But at the beginning of last year, a Tyreek Hill, Jalen Waddell, Devon HN skill group is better
54:33than what I think he has to work with right now in LA.
54:36So you have just a quick fire. Do you finish that?
54:39No, no, no. That's it. I just, I, I'm more on field side than yourself.
54:43Okay. But he, yeah, you're at nine. I saw, but you have him at six.
54:48So you have Alan Daniels, Jackson, May, Hertz, Burrow.
54:50You have him over one of those guys. Burrow.
54:52Yeah. You have him over Burrow. Yep. Wow. All right.
54:55This is going to be great. This is good.
54:58Fair enough. Good tracking here. Yeah. Wow. All right.
55:00Let's keep it rolling. Think about a board bet or something.
55:03What's wrong with your brain when you are thinking about Christian McCaffrey?
55:06Cause I thought you were the numbers guy, right?
55:09And this is what I'm having a hard time understanding.
55:11Christian McCaffrey is 30. I've heard my friend, Mike Clay talk about 30 year old running backs incessantly over the last years.
55:17He also had 450 touches last season. I heard my friend, Mike Clay talk about how you want to fade heavy workloads after historically large seasons.
55:24And yet you've got CMC as RB3. So as the number guy that has made this argument before, why are you still in on CMC?
55:31Is that because you have them at 3-2 field?
55:34He also does. Okay. All right. That's what it is.
55:36But here's this thing. Do you guys see this?
55:39Like these things that float around once in a while, there's only a few of them.
55:43And in fantasy, they're stars. They float around. What are they?
55:46You know what they are? They're just gently gliding through the air.
55:49They're unicorns. Oh. They're these things called unicorns. And very few of them.
55:53Okay. In the NFL. Even in NFL history, these guys generally go to the hall of fame, in fact.
55:58Gotcha. And I would say Christian McCaffrey fits the bill, much like Derrick Henry as a unicorn at the running back position.
56:04And yes, I've done a lot of analysis on this during this offseason about age curves for running backs.
56:09And obviously, a lot of these guys will start to fall off.
56:12And we've seen it with Dalvin Cook and Joe Mixon and Aaron Jones in recent years.
56:17But guys like Henry and McCaffrey can seem to defy it.
56:20And I think we saw that a little bit last year, too, with McCaffrey, whose efficiency was not good.
56:25He infamously didn't have, what, a 20-yard run until week 18 or 17, something like that.
56:29Yards per carry was down. But he was still number one at running back in.
56:33Snaps, routes, touches, targets, catches, receiving yards, receiving touchdowns.
56:36And of course, the big one, fantasy points. And here's the thing.
56:39When McCaffrey is healthy, which he's been three of the last four years, it's easy to forget that because he's had these
56:45years where he's missed a lot of time. But three last four years, he's played 16-plus games.
56:50But in his career, if you look at her, let me rephrase that because we're going to exclude his rookie year when
56:56he was still kind of limited getting used to the NFL in Carolina.
56:59But his last five healthy seasons, when he's played 16-plus games, he's finished third, first, second, first, and first in fantasy points
57:05per game at the running back position. The guy's a unicorn.
57:08He's still in this Kyle Shanahan-led offense. He's going to be heavily involved as a rusher and, of course, as a receiver.
57:14I think he, again, I can't say anything more than it's impossible to knock him into projections too far because he is
57:20just so heavily involved and a unicorn at the position.
57:23So I'll give you Gibbs. I'll give you Robinson.
57:25But after that, Taylor, A. Chan, Cook, those kind of guys, I'm still going McCaffrey.
57:29Yeah, good. Cosign. Great thoughts there from Mike. Crazy.
57:32That's all I got. Crazy that after you watched what happened to Saquon Barkley last year, you're just going to go right back in.
57:38They're not the same guy. I agree. I know they're not.
57:41McAfrey's way better. McAfrey's older. I know. I agree with you.
57:44Which is wild to say about Barkley. With a bigger injury history.
57:47Over the last couple of years. I don't think it's going to be better.
57:51And it hasn't mattered. He's just, he's the best.
57:54I think the thing that, to me, the ultimate card that he has to play.
57:58He's the best receiving running back in the history of the NFL.
58:01100%. Like, it is, like, last year there were seven players that had 100 catches and seven receiving touchdowns.
58:06Jamar Chase, Amon Ross, St. Brown, Puka Nakua, Chris Olave, Offensive Player of the Year, Jackson Smith and Jigba and Trey McBride, and Christian McCaffrey.
58:13That's insane. So, to me, the only way, like, I just, I just don't believe that if Christian McCaffrey is available for
58:1917 games, he will be anything lower than RB3.
58:21Yeah, and there's not, like, there was major investment by the Niners to be like, we have to roll this guy's rollback.
58:27Listen, they took a running back in the third round.
58:30Yeah, but they do that every year. Because Cal Channing can't help him.
58:33Yes, they do that every year. I'm not worried about that.
58:36And then the guy gets healthy scratch by week two and just barely playing.
58:40That's it. I'm out. I'm done. For those reasons, I'm out.
58:43Let's talk about Jeremiah. I will say this really quick.
58:46McCaffrey, probably not finishing RB10. Like, he's either, unless he misses, like, two, unless he misses four games.
58:51Exactly, yeah. Either he's going to be hurt and miss the season, or...
58:54Saquon finishes RB12 last year after being RB1. Like, the thing is that, like, the things that Saquon needed to be a
59:00top five running back are not as repeatable as what CMC needs.
59:04Saquon needed explosive runs and touchdown upside. CMC, that was not going to be as likely to repeat because explosive runs are hard to repeat.
59:10Okay. And then touchdowns are hard to repeat when your quarterback is the greatest tush pusher in the history of the game.
59:16CMC, like, how is this offense operating if CMC has not seen seven targets a game?
59:21Great question. Yeah. That's a great question, Field. I'll let you guys draft them.
59:24Yeah, that's a great question. Yeah. All right. What's the next one that we have here?
59:29Jeremiah Love. Jeremiah Love. Come on here. So maybe I'll start the bearish case and Mike can make the bullish case.
59:34Sure. Go for it. It's pretty straightforward for me.
59:37Touch of scar tissue from last year with Ashvin Jensie.
59:40I'm just legit concerned about how bad this offensive infrastructure is going to be.
59:43I'm concerned about the rushing... Like, the guys averaging sub-four yards per carry are going to have a hard time being fantasy monsters.
59:50I like some of the players that are... I just really like all the running backs that are ahead of Jeremiah Love.
59:56It's a very close cluster of guys from, I would call it RB7 to RB14.
60:00I have Jeremiah Love at the bottom of that tier.
60:02I'm concerned about the offensive line. And I am concerned about Tyler Algier taking valuable goal-to-go touches from him.
60:07Yeah. First of all, I agree that that tier is very deep.
60:11So I can't crush you for having him... It starts with Derrick Henry for me and goes all the way to Jeremiah Love.
60:17I have Cook down to like Brees Hall. It's like 6-15.
60:20The projection difference is like 6-8 points for all of them.
60:23So it's hard for me to be super aggressive on this.
60:26But the bottom line is the guy is just one of the best running back prospects we've seen in a very long time.
60:32And the history of these guys drafted this early is outstanding.
60:35I'm going to use this stat 100 times over the next month.
60:38Each of the past nine running backs that were selected in the top 12 of the NFL draft finished top 12 in fantasy points as a rookie.
60:46Worst case scenario we saw last year with Ashton Gentry.
60:48And he still finished in the top 12. We would expect Love to be a better player.
60:53And to your point on Algier, he had over 600 yards and eight touchdowns last year.
60:57And B. John Robinson had over 2,000 yards and was a number two running back.
61:01The year before, he was third with Algier who had similar stats, just not as many touchdowns.
61:06So I'm not really worried about Tyler Algier. And I don't think James Conner has a role in this offense.
61:11I think he goes elsewhere. What about my Trey Benson shares in Dynasty?
61:15Is that also gone? Well, at least he didn't trade a two and a three for him last year when he took
61:21over as the lead back for Conner. It's funny because there's going to be a lot of movement in NFL rosters over
61:27the next 20 days before rosters are shaped to 53 players.
61:30And the big storylines are not going to be who the Cardinals keep at running back.
61:34But people like us are very invested in how that running back.
61:38I mean, Conner we love as a player. Like, I hope he goes somewhere and can play this year.
61:43It's not going to happen in Arizona. It's just not if the other guys are healthy.
61:47Yeah. The tricky one there. He's a heart and soul guy.
61:50No doubt. So much of the Cardinals that you trade him away.
61:53What does that look like? Mike, let's talk about Gary Wilson.
61:56Can't quit him, Mike. What's going on with you and this kid?
61:59Yeah. Can't get him. He was outstanding last season.
62:02First of all, he's been a target hog throughout his career so far.
62:05I know that the quarterback issues in New York have hurt him, but he was even last year with Justin Fields there.
62:11He was off to a really good start with second in target share for touchdowns, 14.2 fantasy points per game.
62:17And you look at Geno Smith here. I think this helps him.
62:20I think Gino Smith is not the future quarterback for this franchise, but I think he could hold down the fort this season.
62:26If you look at his three consecutive years as a starter in Seattle, 2022, Tyler Lock and DK Metcalf, both top 16 fantasy receivers, 2023 Metcalf was 21.
62:34Lockett was 31. He lost a little because JSN, that was his first year on the team.
62:39He was a top 50 receiver. And then 2024, of course, JSN makes the leap to the top 10.
62:44Metcalf missed a couple of games, finished 32nd. So Gino has shown that he's a pocket quarterback, doesn't run a lot, can
62:50get the ball in the hands of these guys.
62:52So I think Garrett Wilson is one of the superstar talents at the NFL.
62:56His target share has proven that. His big plays have shown that.
62:59We're getting a discount because he was hurt last year.
63:02He bounces back this year. Are you worried about like Omar Cooper or any of the other additions to that offense?
63:08Not so much. No, truly what I'm most worried about is lack of touchdown upside.
63:12We talked about this with Reese Hall and just quarterback play could be, they could be a quick pull the plug on their starting quarterback.
63:18Maybe. I think their defense is a little underrated now, which is not always a good thing.
63:23Yeah. Yeah. I think their defense is more average than it is poor now.
63:27And I think the offensive line or the offense is solid enough.
63:30Like I think they're going to be competitive. I don't think they're going to be an embarrassment.
63:35They're going to be competitive enough. And Wilson's going to be the star of that offense.
63:39So I'm with Bruce Hall. That coach makes me very nervous.
63:42Wait a second. If the offensive line is very good and the defense is legit, why aren't we more in on Reese Hall?
63:48Quarterback. I think we are. I mean, we're in on Bruce Hall, but he's in that tier as far as I'm concerned.
63:54If they're losing. Yes. They're going to have a hard time running football.
63:58So fair. All right. What about Chris Godwin? Mike Clay?
64:00Are we in or are we out on Chris Godwin now that Mike Evans has left coming back from injury last year?
64:06We didn't really like hit his ceiling last year.
64:09I know he was coming off the yeah, I know he was coming off the injury last year, but hit 11 fantasy points only twice.
64:16He's played a total of 16 games the past two years.
64:19He's 30 years old now. He hasn't believed that.
64:21Believe it or not. He hasn't cleared five touchdowns in a season since 2020.
64:25Wow. 2020 was the last time he had more than five breakdowns in a season.
64:29I know he was had a terrific year a few years ago, but you have a book.
64:34You have McMillan, who I think is an underrated player.
64:36We talked about Hurst and Tess Johnson and Kate Otten and they're both running backs.
64:40Like I get that Evans is gone, but I have a hard time seeing a ceiling here for this guy.
64:46After what we've seen the last couple of years, I'm aiming, I'm focusing my energy elsewhere at that point in the draft.
64:52Me too. I would much rather have Jalen McMillan at the very end of the draft.
64:56One of my last picks as a dart throw than going with Chris Godwin, unfortunately, with where he is.
65:01I think we have a mailbag. We got one question from our mailbag.
65:05Our friends over at chat. That question is going to be from Richard.
65:08Richard wants to know, I think my clay smells like Velveeta mac and cheese shells, but in a good way.
65:14First of all, compliment. Second of all, when was this guy smelling me?
65:17That's concerning. I know I was at the... What do you think?
65:20It's good. I mean, honestly, whatever it is. The one thing I'll say is the Velveeta mac and cheese shells is the good cheese.
65:27It's not like the powdered cheese you put with milk and butter that you have to do yourself.
65:32It's like the creamy cheese that comes in the package.
65:35By the way, in my defense, I don't have my cologne right now because it was too big to pack.
65:40So it was in the check bag, which is at Megan's house.
65:43Right now she's coming back. So it might be a little smellier.
65:46You are stink. Honestly, pretty good. Honestly, pretty good.
65:49I admire it. Yeah. All right. I did shower today, you know, so I did do that.
65:53A step forward for humanity. That's right. You smell good.
65:56Your takes stink, but you smell good. Hey. We're coming back tomorrow for more, guys.
66:00Me, Mike, and Field cannot wait. Hang out with our buddy Eric Moody in chat as well.
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