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0:25Hello, Mike Evans. Let's talk about Evans here coming in as wide receiver 10.
0:29I have felt a little dicey on him just with all the injuries.
0:33And he just like every time he gets hit, he's just grabbing at everything.
0:38And I'm just worried that the snaps are going to go down.
0:41But like every week, it doesn't matter. He continues to roll.
0:45You guys are kind of split on it. I actually want to go to you, Fitzy.
0:49I want you to kick us off because you, again, I loosely say negative.
0:54You are lower than ECR. You do not have him as a wide receiver one.
0:58Clearly, you're going out there with him. But you were shaking your head a little bit with that injury concern.
1:04It's tough when he doesn't start drives or, you know, they're keeping lower snap counts or one hit.
1:10He's grabbing at everything. But he's like a total gamer right now.
1:14And there's nobody else. Like literally all the wide receivers are injured right now.
1:18So that's a positive. But what's your take pushing him outside the wide receiver ones this week, Fitzy?
1:23Yeah, total warrior. He's obviously feeling it. That rib injury every time he gets hits.
1:28Like you can see him just grimace in pain.
1:31And a lot of times he checks out for a play, but then checks right back in.
1:36I do feel like there's a little bit of recency bias here with him ranked as a wide receiver one.
1:42Last week, great game against the Seahawks. Tough matchup.
1:45Really does more than his fair share to help the 49ers win that game.
1:49Upset the Seahawks in Seattle. And, you know, throws on the great gif with checking the back of Trayvon Diggs.
1:55All time. Jersey for his name. I mean, I showed that to my wife and she just died laughing.
2:01That was spectacular. Hall of fame. Like Hall of Fame.
2:04Absolutely. Moment too. Just incredible. But that was Mike Evans' first game with more than eight targets this season.
2:10That was his first game with more than 76 receiving yards.
2:13So I know we expect the role to be expanded this week now that Debo Samuel is injured and is going to miss multiple weeks.
2:21But I just, I do think he's coasting a little bit on the strength of what he did against Seattle last week.
2:28Micah Parsons, by the way, all Micah Parsons can do is talk right now because he's not doing anything on the field.
2:34But he had a really great comment on the Mike Evans thing where he was just like, you just have to throw hands.
2:41He's like, a guy does that to you. You've got to immediately start fighting.
2:46And, of course, you know, again, he's not doing anything.
2:49But I love that comment. Mike Evans, for you, Mr.
2:52Andrew Erickson, you've got him at six this week.
2:54All in on the 49ers matchup against the Washington Commanders.
2:57Commanders have been a little bit better defensively. But snaps, targets, like how are you spacing this out?
3:03How did you get him to top six? Well, if you look at Mike Evans this year, he's averaging a career high
3:103.3 yards per route run, career high 34% target rate.
3:13So, although he is taking some snaps off as he battles through this rib injury, which I also talked about on the
3:19sell high show where this may not last for Mike Evans.
3:23I think that he is a prime sell high candidate ahead of this matchup with the Commanders.
3:28But if he plays this full game, he's going to be a top 10 wide receiver.
3:33No doubt in my mind because the Commanders defense is Mike Sanders still might be the worst cornerback in the NFL.
3:39Because whenever he is being covered by a wide receiver, that guy is wide open and has a monster game.
3:45Every single time you turn on the Commanders play defense, you find Mike Sanders still and you target that wide receiver that's on him.
3:53So, every time Mike Evans goes into the game, he's going to probably be matched up with Sanders still a lot as Kyle Shanahan moves his guys around.
4:01Mike Evans has a career high catch rate, 71% this year.
4:0564.7% of his targets travel 10 plus air yards.
4:07That is above his career average. On downfield throws this season, the Commanders defense has allowed the most touchdowns.
4:1310. Second highest completion percentage over expectation. Plus 12%.
4:16Like, this is slated as the best matchup you could ask for a wide receiver.
4:21And the fact that he did last week seven catches for 113 yards in a bad matchup against the Seahawks, I'm salivating to play Mike Evans this week.
4:29So, again, I still think he's a sell high.
4:32But I want a King's ransom because I think that he's going to have a monster performance here against the Commanders.
4:38Oh, those Niners right now. I was at Levin Arizona, Arizona Fall League.
4:42Football people aren't going to care about that. But it's a collection of, like, all of baseball's top prospects.
4:48And I had a Niner hat on last night.
4:51And one of the Royals pitchers is Steven Sobak, his name.
4:54He just looked over as he walked by. And he just went, bang, bang.
4:58And I was like, 5-0, baby. So hopefully not setting myself up.
5:02But it has been a good run for the Niners.
5:05And this is a solid matchup. Let me ask you guys a side question to this wide receiver ones real quick.
5:12Erickson, I'll start with you and then we'll go to Fitzy.
5:15Who, and you don't have to go into crazy big analysis or whatever, but who of these top 12 do you feel the most squirrely about?
5:23Whether it is their specific rank, like a Christian Watson coming in at number three.
5:27Someone that jumps in that you just feel shouldn't.
5:30I mean, this is like a core group here.
5:33But there's a few names that might feel a little bit dicey.
5:37Erickson, who is the most squirrely of the top 12 wide receivers for you this week?
5:41Can you read the list again one more time?
5:44Absolutely, I can. Pukunuku at one. Jason at two.
5:47Christian Watson. C.D. Lamb at four. Drake Lennon at five.
5:50Olave at six. Then you've got Collins at seven.
5:53Neighbors at eight. Zay Flowers at nine. Evans, Adams, and Parker Washington.
5:56It's a tough list. Maybe Adams? Just because do the Rams need Adams?
6:00I mean, he didn't have that many targets last week.
6:03I mean, he scored the touchdowns, obviously. So will he be another top 12 wide receiver?
6:08I mean, maybe Adams. But to your point, it's a really strong list.
6:12Nico Collins. Maybe if does Marv play a bigger role in this game?
6:16But the Jaguars are a defense that is more of a pass funnel.
6:20So you think that Nico is going to be involved a lot.
6:24So, I mean, it's really strong list. Top 12 for a reason.
6:28Well, because I was also thinking like, you know, Malik Neighbors would have been one of the fun ones, but just not after last week or anything.
6:36Fitzy, again, it's a loose thing. We don't have to go deep into it.
6:40But is there anybody that fits the criteria of maybe a little bit squirrely of their rank or wide receiver ones of this group?
6:47I mean, Adams is playing with the guy who got 21 targets last week.
6:52Okay, yeah. So it's got to be Adams. Like, he needs the touchdowns to get over.
6:57And he does score the touchdowns. Like, he had a freakish rate of touchdowns per target, touchdowns per reception last year.
7:03And that's carrying over to this year. That's just who he is.
7:07I mean, he's an amazing one of the best red zone, green zone receivers of our generation.
7:12He's just amazing when you get close to the end zone.
7:15And I think that was the name, by the way.
7:18I think that's good because the names we're going to talk about in a second with the wide receiver twos.
7:24Like, I see a handful where, you know, easily you can justify volume and everything.
7:29It's just maybe, you know, rankers are looking at them going against the Cardinals.
7:33But in the same token, like, I think they're going to be able to run all over the Cardinals.
7:39It's just kind of, it's strictly and solely going to have to be about great red zone touchdown catching.
7:45And I think he could easily be bumped down a little bit.
7:49And we'll talk about those guys in a second.
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8:38Wide receiver twos. The big board. We've got George Pickens at 13, followed by Garrett Wilson, Matthew Golden, Tedaro McMillan, Michael Wilson,
8:44Jalen Coker, the bottom half at 19, Luther Burden, Denzel Boston, DK Metcalf, Terry McLaurin, Josh Downs, and Carnell Tate.
8:51Quick aside, just following up on that Devontae Adams thing, just for one second.
8:55Erickson, how far do you think legitimately you could justify bumping Adams down versus this other group?
9:00Like what would be the line where you're like, oh, I'm totally cool with Adams being under Michael Wilson or Coker.
9:06Is that the general space you think the line of where he could drop down is?
9:11I think he should be behind Matthew Golden. I feel pretty confident.
9:15Yeah, we're going to talk about Golden, but this is just like how far, what would be the line number?
9:2116, 17, 18, do you think you could bump him down?
9:24Yeah, I think I have him at 15. I think he's in that range because again, you got to count that he
9:31does score touchdowns and that's a really easy way to surge up the ranking.
9:35So although he doesn't get as many targets, it's, I mean, the Cardinals defense is not necessarily a imposing matchup where you're
9:42thinking, oh no, like he's not going to, like he doesn't, he won't score touchdowns just because he doesn't get the ball thrown his way.
9:50Not because he's not capable of doing it. So I think you have to give him that type of grace when you're ranking him.
9:57But when he doesn't have locked in volume, I have trouble getting him in my top 12 for sure.
10:03Fitzy, when you look at this list, where's the line?
10:06And again, because we're going to move to the next player, but where would you slot him or like what grouping does he belong in?
10:14Is he clearly in the same grouping as Wilson and Tedro McMillan?
10:17Should he be higher? Can he be lower? What's your thought?
10:21For me, it's higher. Like I said, I feel squirrely about him because the volume you can't trust.
10:26But man, he's a touchdown machine going against a bad Cardinals pass defense.
10:30I can't not have him in the top 12.
10:33OK, well, let's see where maybe Matthew Golden lines up here.
10:36I mean, you just said it. So he's out of that grouping.
10:40Speaking of 12, Erickson, you have Matthew Golden at 12.
10:43He's ECR 15 of the group. Fitzy, you've got him at 17.
10:47Fitz, why don't you give us maybe slightly negative-ish take?
10:50It's not really. You're only two spots lower, but you guys have a big gap of five wide receivers between.
10:56Fitz, you got him at wide receiver 17 this week.
10:59Yeah, I don't want to be too negative on Matthew Golden because Lord knows I have to issue a mea culpa here.
11:06I did not like the Matthew Golden draft pick for the Packers when they made it.
11:10I thought the production profile in college was a little light for him to be a first-rounder.
11:16Looks like I'm totally wrong about that. He has been really good for Green Bay.
11:20And it's great that the Packers have such a concentrated target distribution with basically just Watson, Golden, and Kraft, and that's it.
11:27So good outlook for him. And while you were kind of talking about comparing buckets of receivers here, well, I've got Golden wide receiver 17.
11:35I've got him right behind Teddero McMillan, George Pickens, Michael Wilson.
11:38And I mean, I'm probably going to move him ahead of Michael Wilson, I think, just because the Cardinals passing game, like
11:45it puts up numbers, but it just looks so ugly doing it sometimes.
11:49And so much of that comes in garbage time.
11:51But you could kind of argue McMillan, Pickens, and Golden any which way.
11:55And I just happen to have Golden at the bottom of that pile right now.
12:00Now, Erickson, you are higher. You've got Matthew Golden as a wide receiver one this week, number 12.
12:05So talk to us about Golden. The matchup is obviously divine against the Dallas Cowboys.
12:10I don't need to sell anybody on that. The fact that Jordan Love, I think, is ECR quarterback four this week kind of tells you the whole story.
12:19The last time these two teams faced off, 80 points total and a 40-40 tie on Sunday night football.
12:24So clearly the ceiling play for all these receivers in this game is extremely high.
12:29And I just want to point out, again, we're worried about Devonta Adams getting targets.
12:34Matthew Golden has seven plus targets in every game this season.
12:37He has more targets than Christian Watson does. Like, if you're just looking at the target share of these Packers receivers, technically
12:44speaking, Matthew Golden is the number one wide receiver on the Packers.
12:47Now, I'm not ranking it that way. I'm not because production obviously matters in terms of how much yards you get.
12:54Watson is obviously targeted downfield. He obviously sees more red zone opportunities than Matthew Golden.
12:58But Matthew Golden still sees a lot of these high-value ops.
13:02Like, he still does see a lot of downfield usage, despite the fact he also has a 24% target share this season compared to Watson, who's at 21.6%.
13:10And last week, six for seven targets, 123 yards.
13:13He caught a two-point conversion. Hundreds of eight yards came in the second half.
13:17He also had three red zone targets but didn't score, right?
13:21So if we go back and listen to what we talked about last week, Marshawn Lloyd in week four had a bunch of red zone opportunities, didn't score.
13:29Week five, finds the end zone twice. So I think Matthew Golden is going to find the end zone against the Dallas
13:36Cowboys because of the red zone usage he saw last week, the fact that he does see more targets than Christian Watson,
13:43and that's going to make him a top-12 wide receiver.
13:46And why I feel way more confident playing him over a guy like Devontae Adams where does he see five targets against the Arizona Cardinals?
13:53And then he scores. I think Golden can score, go over 100 yards, and see double-digit targets against the Cowboys.
13:59I like it. There's an interesting situation in these mid-teens here with the Panthers wide receivers.
14:04We kind of talked about Tedrow McMillan, but Jalen Coker comes in at ECR 18.
14:09Once again, you guys are kind of split on this, but Erickson, we'll start with you.
14:14You're the high guy. You're one spot higher at 17.
14:17I obviously want you to talk about Coker, but also like are you comfortable with both McMillan and Coker coexisting two spots
14:24next to each other on ECR going up against the Eagles?
14:27It does feel like a hedge a little bit because it feels like only one of them is going to deliver in
14:34this range, but we're not sure who it will be.
14:37So you kind of just rank them back-to-back and be like, play both guys.
14:41One of them will be really good. One of them will be okay.
14:45And you just kind of live with it. However, when you just look at schematically speaking, Jalen Coker has the better matchup
14:52here against the Philadelphia Eagles and how bad they've been against slot receivers.
14:56108 yards per game to slot targets. That is the third worst in the NFL.
15:00Second most slot targets face. So there is always the argument to Coker is coming off an injury that will he be a hundred percent.
15:08Now they Panthers are also coming off a bye week.
15:11So you do feel a little bit better. I mean, when Coker has been on the field, three healthy games, he's wide receiver 11 in points per game.
15:19Wide receiver 14 expected points per game. So again, we love these concentrated passing attacks.
15:24It is the Panthers two top wideouts. And then a tight end occasionally gets involved in the red zone.
15:30So I think Jalen Coker, if he is practicing in full this week, I think that he is full go and a really strong start.
15:37And honestly, if I have him rank so closely to T-Mac, it might just make sense for this particular matchup just to
15:44flip them and be like, look, I get long-term rest of season.
15:48I think T-Mac's the better player, but given this specific matchup and how great it's been to just target this Eagles defense
15:55with slot receivers, that Jalen Coker just makes more sense.
15:58I also like the Panthers passing attack overall against the Philadelphia Eagles.
16:01You have the Panthers getting back some of their starting offensive linemen.
16:05And then from like a larger view of this matchup, it's really advantageous to take advantage of these teams that are coming
16:12off the international games without a bye week against a team that's coming off a bye week, right?
16:17Like the rest advantage is so in favor of the Panthers here, even though they are playing on the road, that this
16:24could be really tough sledding for this Eagles defense that I think has been very underwhelming this year.
16:29Fitzy, you have a little bit less of a hedge, I think, going on based on your ranks.
16:35You've got Coker a little bit lower, but do you think both of them can coexist positively against this kind of underwhelming Eagles defense?
16:42I do. And I was frankly pretty surprised to see that I was behind ECR on Coker because I felt like I
16:49was ranking him aggressively, knowing that as Erickson just pointed out, the Eagles have this slot funnel defense.
16:54But, you know, I think we were reminded about how good Ted Aron McMillan is when he completely eviscerated the Lions in week four, right before the bye.
17:0314 catches, 192 yards, two touchdowns in that game, but no Jalen Coker.
17:07And there have been a lot of games, well, some games this year, where Coker has just flat out outproduced and McMillan draft capital be damned.
17:15So, yeah, both guys I think can beat this team.
17:18I'm glad Erickson pointed out the rest advantage, which I know we haven't seen mentioned probably since Warren Sharp did his big rest advantage thing.
17:26He always does great job with the schedule analysis right after that comes out.
17:30So, yeah, this is kind of a bad spot for the Eagles.
17:34I wouldn't be surprised if both Panthers receivers had good games.
17:37But, Carnell Tate comes in as wide receiver 24 on this list with solid matchup, four to five star graded matchup against the Indianapolis Colts.
17:45Wide receiver 24, and you guys are both negative.
17:47But, like, you guys get real negative. And rightfully so.
17:50Two weeks ago, it's a big explosive game. Then he disappears again.
17:54He's more often than not, not good on that team.
17:57But that doesn't really, it's not really reflective of the ranks this week.
18:01Erickson's at 29, but Fitzy, you dropped him all the way down to 36.
18:05So he is just clinging to a wide receiver three spot, barely.
18:09Fitzy, talk to us about Carnell Tate and really doesn't look like you're buying into the couple week ago solid performance.
18:15He has had one game this season where he has made the people who started him happy.
18:21He had that big game against the Ravens in week four, and that was pretty much it.
18:26I guess against the Giants, six catches for 58.
18:28And a PPR, that's not a bad output. But, man, this Titans passing game, like, I have no confidence whatsoever in this passing game.
18:36And it's great that Tate is kind of asserting himself as the alpha in this.
18:40And he showed us in week four how good he can be.
18:44I just hate the ecosystem for him and just do not want to really, I'm flexing him in a league this week.
18:51I don't feel great about it. Like, I would rather be starting someone else.
18:55And I think I would be if I didn't have other people on buy in that league.
19:00So, yeah, I'm definitely out on him this week if I can afford to be.
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21:32Erickson, you've got him at 29, so you're kind of in that general same space.
21:37Bi-weeks probably end up pushing him up. But what's your vibe on Tate?
21:41Do you think this is going to start to turn around more, or are we kind of one and done on those big performances?
21:48I think that in this particular game, I would rather play Wandel Robinson.
21:52All right, going back to how do offices attack these specific defenses?
21:56Colts are another one of these teams that through the first five weeks slot funnel, right?
22:01Their slot cornerback Justin Wally, I think is his name.
22:04Game, that's the guy that gets picked on with Sauce Gardner locking up with the number one wide receiver.
22:10I know we talked about Sauce last week, and he helped keep DK Metcalf in check.
22:15And who popped off and had a monster game?
22:17Jeremy Bernard, the guy that was operating out of the slot.
22:21So this is how you attack this defense. Carl Tate isn't a strict perimeter player.
22:25He does sometimes move into the slot. But if it's a numbers game and you're already kind of just feeling not great
22:32about this passing attack overall, then you've got to take the guy who's going to run 75% of his routes in a
22:39positive matchup, which is Wandale in this case. So I have Wandale actually ahead of Carnell Tate here because I think his matchup is better.
22:46And we never really talk about Cam Ward on the quarterback's show because, I mean, you're never going to be playing.
22:53Exactly. But why would we? But his performance against this type of defense matters for those that are wondering, should I play Carnal Tate?
23:00The Colts have played man coverage on 34% of their drop packs this season.
23:04Cover one, they've called on 25% of their plays, sixth highest in the NFL.
23:09Cam Ward has averaged a whopping 3.7 yards per attempt against man coverage this season.
23:13That is the second worst among all quarterbacks. 3.8 yards per attempt against cover one.
23:18That is the fewest in the league. So against this particular scheme, Cam Ward does not rise above.
23:23And that would suggest that Carnal Tate is also going to continue to struggle here.
23:28So I think we're going to see more of what we saw last week and not two weeks ago, even though I
23:35feel like a dome setting against a bad Colts defense, you think, okay, maybe take kind of pop off here.
23:41But I mean, look, Sossgarter played much better than he had done in previous weeks.
23:45And most of the time, drawing his type of coverage is not good for a wide receiver, especially a rookie like Carnal Tate.
23:52So I think I agree with Fitz, right? I think people are going to ask you questions about Tate.
23:58It's like, you don't really want to start him.
24:01But again, with bye weeks, sometimes you're going to be forced to, you know, he's going to run all the routes.
24:07He's going to be out there. And, you know, he has used downfield, so he could always come away with a big play.
24:14Just to piggyback on what Erickson was saying, like, I do think Justin Wally has become like, he is in the Elante Taylor zone.
24:22Like Elante Taylor was early in his career with the Saints where it's like, who is going up against Elante Taylor this week?
24:29I want to start that guy in DFS. Yeah.
24:31Justin Wally is in that spot right now. Like he is just getting destroyed on a weekly basis.
24:37And why would you, why would you challenge Sauce Gardner when you can like pick on this guy?
24:42And I know the Colts were like high on Wally in the going into the season.
24:47Like they thought they had a fine with this guy, but he has taken his lumps.
24:52When we are looking at some of the wide receivers that you were going to be starting over, there's a nice big
24:59heavy group in the wide receiver three range that are going to feel better.
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25:25That's fantasypros.com slash start. So a bunch of wide receivers that are probably going to be better than Carnell Tate coming in
25:32on the big board for wide receiver threes at 25 is Roma Dunze, followed by Jalen Waddell, Devon Vele, 28, Romeo Dobbs, Emeka Egbuka, Jeremy Bernard at 30.
25:40And then we've got Trey Tucker, Wandale Robinson at 32, Devante Dontavian Wicks, Jacoby Myers, Keenan Allen, and Khalil Shakir.
25:47Gentlemen, can you justifiably start Jalen Waddell? Now you got to start him if you don't have a choice, but like if
25:53you've got a choice here, are you better throwing caution to the wind with guys like Jeremy Bernard or a Wondell Robinson at this point?
26:01Because as Erickson would say, Bun City with Jalen Waddell so far this season.
26:05And the change to Payton really didn't help. He's ECR 26.
26:09You guys are slightly lower. Nothing crazy. Erickson, I got to get your take on it.
26:13Obviously, there's going to be situations where you're just not going to have a choice, but should you be attempting at all
26:20best costs to move away from Jalen Waddell or will this turn around?
26:24Will it turn around with Bo Nix facing the Seahawks defense?
26:27I remain very skeptical that that will be a reality that we are coming away with after we watch this Thursday night matchup.
26:34I think it's a spot where you're trying to get away from Waddell.
26:38I think that the optimistic case would be, well, he did have seven targets last week.
26:43Again, only five in the box score, but he had two that were erased by pass interference calls.
26:49So there was some intent to get him the football in some capacity.
26:53Again, he did lead the team in targets with those seven true targets on 40 snaps played, but the efficiency is just
27:00not there with how bad Bo Nix is playing.
27:02And the fact that Bo Nix is just so trigger shy, right?
27:06Like he is not attacking downfield. And when you face a Seahawks defense, if you think that you're going to be able
27:13to meticulously drive down the field on 15 play drives, it's not going to happen.
27:17Like you have to generate some explosive play. So can Sean Payton like drill it into Bo Nix's head?
27:23Like, dude, you actually need to throw the ball downfield because Jalen Waddell is running go routes.
27:28Like he is out there downfield, sometimes open and Bo Nix is just not firing.
27:33So that's what has to change. So I think that's possible where they could take an explosive shot with Jalen Waddell.
27:39I mean, they went and got him for a reason.
27:42Maybe last week was the JK Dobbins game. One of Sean Payton's guys.
27:46And this can be the Jalen Waddell game where another one of Sean Payton's guys as he is calling the plays.
27:53So that's why I'm hesitant to like bury him outside like the top 36, even though I could see an argument for
27:59that because of how bad the matchup is. So that's why I got him like tentatively that mid wide receiver three range
28:06just because he does play full complement of snaps.
28:09We did see Mike Evans have a pretty good productive game against the Seahawks defense last week.
28:14But it's one of those where you kind of plug your nose and be like, I'm just going to do or die with Jalen Waddell.
28:22I mean, he's our guy, right? Well, it's like we just do or die with him all the time.
28:27So, yeah, I don't know. Fitz, do you have any better feelings about what I want to throw in for Fitzy?
28:34As the great Michael Clark Duncan said, if ifs and buts were candy and nuts, we'd all have a Merry Christmas.
28:40That's about where we're at with Jalen Waddell at this point.
28:44Yeah, please. Fitzy, can you spread some optimism? Because it don't look good in the Jalen Waddell streets.
28:49No, well, I shouldn't leave it to you to find the one guy I probably feel worst about how I have him ranked this week.
28:57And pick on that scab. Yeah, like I'm looking at the wide receiver 27 ranking in a matchup against Seattle.
29:03And I'm thinking, how can I possibly have him this high?
29:06Oh, wait, there are four teams on buy, which is why he's inside the top 30.
29:11And even then, Bo Nix is averaging 5.8 yards per attempt this season.
29:15Like he has been so bad. But we have proof of concept that Jalen Waddell has been good in his career.
29:22Like we weren't imagining that he started his career with three straight thousand yard seasons and that he averages better than nine yards per target for his career.
29:30And that, you know, he's capable of like making his quota for a given week in fantasy with one play.
29:36And we just saw Mike Evans have a really good game against Seattle.
29:40But Bo Nix is not Brock Purdy. That's that's the problem here.
29:44So, yeah, I mean, wide receiver 27 does feel too high.
29:47I can't argue with that. And I know people are going to be asking me this week, like Jeremy Bernard or Jalen Waddell.
29:54I'm going to be like, oh, man, I have I have Jalen Waddell ranked higher.
29:59But trust your gut, buddy, because I don't know what else to tell you.
30:03Hold on to your butts. Samuel Jackson, hold on to your butts.
30:07I you're going to hate it, too. You said wide receiver 27.
30:10He's wide receiver 26 right now. So even worse.
30:13The new wide receiver 27. Let me ask you this, Fitzy.
30:17Is Devon Vele ranked too high? He's got a great matchup on paper.
30:21Five star against the New York Giants. But both you and Erickson are lower in rank.
30:25Talk to us about Devon Vele. Is he ranked too high this week or is he an appropriate like wide receiver three?
30:32Where did you say that ECR has him? He's 27 because Waddell moved up to 26 from yesterday and Vele moved up to 27.
30:39I think he's a little too high. Um, and maybe the Saints passing game gets it back on track this week, but
30:46it's kind of been off the rails the last two weeks.
30:50And we knew it was going to be bad against Minnesota last week.
30:54They are a really tough matchup. Um, but it was not great the previous week against the Falcons, who are a pass funnel defense who didn't have A.J.
31:02Terrell for that game. And the Saints did have 286 yards or Tyler Shuck did, but he needed 48 passes to get there.
31:09I feel like the Saints offense is just not working that well without Kelvin Banks, their stud left tackle.
31:15So I'm just, I don't want to be above consensus on any Saints on offense right now.
31:20Erickson, is Devon Vele ranked too high this week and an untrustworthy start?
31:24I think that he is ranked pretty aggressively as a top 30 locked in loaded wide receiver.
31:29When his production has kind of tailed off since the start of the season, I think that he's the clear number three
31:36in this offense that has struggled the last couple of weeks, the passing game with Tyler Shuck.
31:41Shuck's also dealing with this like hand injury thing that I think is also potentially playing a factor in how bad that
31:48he has been the last two games. So I do think this is a spot where they maybe run the football a
31:55little bit or try to against a bad Giants run defense.
31:58And I'll talk about this on the quarterback show, but the Giants have been dialing up more blitzes.
32:03And you better believe they're going to look at what Flores did against the blitz last week and be like, yeah, let's do that again.
32:11Because Tyler Shuck could do nothing moving the ball through the air against a blitz happy defense, which I think he's going to see again in New York.
32:20So I think when you look at him versus Waddle, I mean, who's the better player, right?
32:25Shannon Waddle. I don't think that's even close. So given that this Giants match up again, not when you're afraid of, but
32:32I don't look at it and think this is the Dallas Cowboys as the Washington commanders.
32:36Like the Giants have some guys that can rush the passer and given the injury to banks, like Fitz talked about the
32:43Saints passing game has not been nearly as good since they lost their stud tackle.
32:48So I think Bailey's fine, but I think that he's more like low end wide receiver three than in this middle when you're 27.
32:55One of the top waiver picks from this week, maybe the top if Woody Marks wasn't available.
33:00Jeremy Bernard comes in at 30 going up against Tampa Bay.
33:04Aaron Rodgers is a popular streamer this week because of this Tampa Bay matchup.
33:08No Roman Wilson. There was an extensive amount of targets for Jeremy Bernard.
33:12He comes in at 30. This is another one of the situations, though, that you guys are both just kind of lower.
33:19Erickson, you've got him at 36. Fitz, you've actually kicked him out of the wide receiver threes.
33:24Erickson, talk to us about Jeremy Bernard. You don't seem super optimistic about him versus Tampa Bay this week.
33:30Well, I still got him ranked as a wide receiver three.
33:33So it's definitely someone that you can still start.
33:36Now, maybe I am lagging a little bit behind the ECR here, given that he's coming off a game where he saw
33:42close to a 30% target share, 29.4%, which was a big leap from week four when it was only at 5% because
33:49of the injuries to Michael Pittman and Roman Wilson, right?
33:52Really opening things up for Jeremy Bernard. So it's never a given where a rookie wide receiver actually steps into a bigger role and actually delivers.
34:00Like we've done this for a couple of weeks with Makai Lemon now, where he's given more opportunities to step up without DeMonte Smith.
34:07And although the Eagles offense has their own issues, Makai Lemon hasn't produced for fantasy like we would have liked.
34:14Whereas Jeremy Bernard, last week he stepped up. And even against my Patriots a couple of weeks ago in week two, Michael Pittman Jr.
34:21did not play in that game. And Jeremy Bernard was making plays against Christian Gonzalez.
34:25Like I remember watching that very closely and thinking like, man, this guy's showing me something.
34:30So the fact that he can deliver from out of the slot, we've seen slot receivers be very, very good for fantasy and Mike McCarthy led offenses.
34:39And the biggest thing that matters is he's got Aaron Rodgers trust, right?
34:43Like that is like the number one hurdle for these younger players and Steelers receiving weapons is do they have the trust of Aaron Rodgers?
34:50Because if they don't, then you're not getting the rock or the ball whatsoever.
34:55So against Tampa Bay, you have a pass funnel defense because they sell out to stop the run.
35:00I do think that maybe I am a little bit too low on Bernard and man, I'm going to have to just,
35:07I'm going to have to do some practices about these Jaylen Waddle versus Jeremy Bernard questions.
35:12Because to Fitzy's point, they are coming hot and heavy.
35:15Well, because you said an important thing is like Rodgers has to have your trust and all he's been doing is talking about Bernard.
35:22And now Bernard's getting that opportunity. So get ready for those questions.
35:26Fitzy, now you bumped him out of a top 36.
35:29So he's in like a three wide receiver with a flex potential option.
35:33So your thoughts on Bernard for week six. He has Aaron Rodgers trust until he's five blades of grass away from where
35:39he should be on an out route. And Aaron Rodgers decides he's going to freeze him out for the next two and a half quarters.
35:47Now I'm probably too low on Jeremy Bernard, considering that, I mean, the Steelers are down to DK Metcalf and Jeremy Bernard.
35:54And I think Caden Weijan, their rookie kick returner from Iowa is like the third because everyone else, Roman Wilson out, Michael Pittman out, Ben Skoranek out.
36:02I don't know who they could promote to the practice squad this week, but it's pretty bleak.
36:07The only thing is, you know, that they're going to involve Pat Friermuth and Darnell Washington.
36:12Jalen Warren has been getting a ton of targets.
36:15So I don't know that all these wide receiver injuries necessarily equate to an eight or 10 target game for Bernard.
36:21But I probably should work him back inside wide receiver three range.
36:25I would say, so I just make a comment because I know we were just talking about Justin Wally.
36:31Like he's not facing Justin Wally this week, right?
36:33So I don't know exactly where the Buccaneers slate up in terms of them being a slot funnel defense.
36:39That doesn't really pop out to me in the matchups that I've looked at.
36:44I know that there are more of a pass funnel defense because of how good they are against the run.
36:50But I think that this might I think that expecting this performance back to back weeks is probably too aggressive for Jeremy
36:56Bernard unless he finds the end zone in terms of his production.
37:00Just because last week was a really, really good spot for Jeremy Barth, especially with Roman Wilson getting hurt in the middle of the game.
37:08So I just want to add that point in.
37:10Yeah, I think I would add to that, though, is if the expectation of last week carrying over would him being ranked as a wide receiver, too.
37:19So I think I think some of the like bring down like is he trustworthy to receive targets enough?
37:24And that's what wide receiver three represents. And I think that's kind of where he is and why he should be ranked here.
37:32Now, there are quite a few wide receiver injuries and there's quite a few names that could end up playing that were not on this rank list.
37:40I did want to ask you guys about one before we get your deep play, because the news happened like 20 minutes
37:46before we started recording in that A.J. Brown has officially been designated to return by the Patriots.
37:52And it looks like he is practicing on Wednesday.
37:54That gives no necessary guarantee that he's going to play this week on the designation.
37:59But it sure does sound and kind of seem like it.
38:02So the question is, Erickson, if he is active for the game, you're going to have to take all your speculative.
38:09I'm not sure. But, you know, where would you rank him knowing that there could be a snap count issue?
38:15Maybe they unleash him. What would be your process here?
38:18And where are you going to rank A.J. Brown if he is active for week six?
38:23Probably as a wide receiver, too. I think. And I would just bump down all the other.
38:28Yeah, I'd say probably top 20. Again, especially with all the teams on by weeks.
38:33Again, I'm doing this off the cuff, so I don't know exactly.
38:36Yeah, yeah. 100 percent. Ranked. But I guess anyone that I have any hesitation about, whether it's due to matchup or anything
38:43along those lines, I would probably rank A.J. Brown ahead of.
38:46But anyone that I feel really good about still, I would probably rank and rank A.J.
38:51Brown behind those types of players. Because, again, guy coming off an injury like you never know.
38:56You don't know what his workload would be like.
38:59And we'll get reports that will probably end up not being right about he's on a pitch count.
39:05And then he plays all the snaps or he's full go.
39:08And then he's on a pitch count because that's literally what always happens with with a tons of these wide receivers in terms of the reporting.
39:16So, I mean, it's the Jets. It's Drake May.
39:19It's A.J. Brown. So, again, if he's out there, man, like my teams can't afford to keep him on the bench.
39:25Michael Wilson or A.J. Brown for you. Who will you pick?
39:28Michael Wilson was a big disappointment last week. He really hurt a lot of people.
39:33You didn't seem happy with him. No, not happy.
39:36He seems pretty happy talking about A.J. Brown. I'm going to start A.J.
39:40Brown over Michael Wilson. There we go. I was trying to get that.
39:44Fitzy, where would you put A.J. Brown if active, knowing that, you know, there's all the contingencies of snaps and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
39:52All right. I'm looking at my rankings right now.
39:54I've got Matthew Golden, 17. Devontae Smith, who I'm tentatively expecting to return, 18.
39:59And DK Metcalf, 19. It's just a matter of whether I would have A.J.
40:03Brown ahead of or behind Devontae Smith. Math because I would have A.J.
40:07Brown behind Matthew Golden, but ahead of DK Metcalf.
40:10Okay. Obviously, A.J. Brown's a super big talent. I think most people listening would be like, we ought to start.
40:16But, you know, to know and to have that balance of some of those players and like, where would you put him
40:23and some of the players that end up jumping up?
40:26And is there an uncomfortable level? Because there are teams out there that might have gotten Michael Wilson and Jalen Coker, and you're placing those together.
40:34Top 20 wide receiver, I think, puts you guys in a good spot.
40:38All right. Final thing there, just wanted to cover that, is your deep play for this week.
40:43Fitzy, why don't you kick us with a deeper play wide receiver that you want to potentially try to get out there?
40:49Kendrick Bourne, I've got inside my top 40. As much as the Cardinals sling it around, and it's not always pretty, it's Jacoby Brissett.
40:57At least for now, until they give Carson back his audition, which is coming, folks.
41:01It's coming soon. I would be willing to play Kendrick Bourne.
41:05Yeah, they got to move. I've just been waiting to trade Jacoby Brissett to any quarterback-hungry team and let Minshew and Beck be the guy.
41:12People are screaming out here in Arizona for Carson Beck.
41:15I mean, they might be screaming once he's in games, too, but everybody loves the backup quarterback.
41:21Erickson, your deeper play wide receiver for the week.
41:23I mentioned him earlier when we were breaking down Cardinal Tate, but Wanda Robinson.
41:28All paths lead to attacking the Colts' slot funnel defense.
41:31Second most yards allowed to slot players this season.
41:33Boom. There you go. Wide receivers, top 36. A couple deeper plays.
41:37Some injuries out there. We know there's going to be more questions.
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