0:00This is an iHeart Podcast. Guaranteed Human. What's up friends and welcome into Fantasy Pros.
0:04This is the Fantasy Pros Football Ranks Podcast. We are talking Fantasy Football Ranks for Week 6.
0:10I'm Chris Welsh. I am back in the seat with two of my dearest friends.
0:14These beautiful faces, Andrew Erickson, Pat Fitzmaurice, as we are going to be tackling the top 36 running backs for Week 6.
0:21We'll go a little bit beyond. We're going to be talking about Fantasy Pros ECR versus those ranks.
0:26And we'll see where these two fine gentlemen are differing just a tiny bit.
0:30Pat Fitzmaurice is on a high right now as the Brewers and the Packers could potentially be lining up for the penultimate
0:37mega showdown of baseball and football in your hometown there, Fitzy.
0:40So how are you ramping up? How can you even care about football at a time like this with the World Series?
0:47I know. First trip to the World Series for the Brewers potentially since 1982, 44 years.
0:52And yeah, if the Dodgers are able to win two out of three in L.A., that means the Packers-Cowboys game and the
0:58Brewers-Dodgers game six would both be Sunday night. And Wisconsin Taverns would not be able to keep enough beer on hand to satisfy patrons on Sunday night.
1:06The one thing we will know, guaranteed, I can guarantee you one thing on that Sunday night if it happens, Christian Watson's
1:13going to score the first touchdown of the game because that's all he does.
1:17All he does is score first touchdowns, scores touchdowns.
1:20Erickson back in the house as well. What's up, buddy?
1:23Dude, I'm looking forward to that potential doubleheader, right, between baseball and football.
1:27It's like that guy with the tree rubbing his hands together.
1:30He's like, oh, baby. When the bartenders see that this is a doubleheader, oh, man, they're ready to make some money.
1:36We should live stream. That's what I'm going to be promoting to management.
1:40If we can have a live stream camera following Fitzy on Sunday for Packers and Brewers.
1:45But we're not going to talk baseball here even as much as I would love to.
1:50We are going to be talking about the running back ranks, our running back series, our rank series we're going to have
1:56here on Fantasy Pros and on the YouTube where you can check out all the different positions.
2:01This one dedicated to running backs. The one thing we do, though, on the running back specific episode before we start jumping
2:08into it, we talk about the accuracy contest. And we've got a big shout out to a Fantasy Pros person here finishing top 10.
2:15But your top three every single week, everybody is ranking.
2:18We're all ranking for that weekly set of players.
2:21We get the accuracy after the week. And this week, we've got three new people to celebrate.
2:26Rudy Gamble from Rasball finishing with the number one spot.
2:29Congratulations to Rudy. Ryan Noonan from 4 for 4 at 2.
2:32And Kyle Yates from Yates Fantasy Football 3. Those are your top three most accurate rankers from week five.
2:38But friends, the great and powerful Wonky Penguin. Kelly Kirby with a top 10 finish.
2:43I believe that is her second top 10 finish this year.
2:46Just unseating Mayer. Mike Mayer who? Mike Mayer always gets into that top 10.
2:50We're not going to talk about where we finish.
2:53But shout out to Kelly Kirby. Kelly's a beast.
2:55And Kelly was able to finish 10th, I believe, in the Fantasy Pros contest.
3:00You guys can check it out all on Fantasy Pros.
3:03Yeah. Well, you know how Kelly does it, right?
3:05It's because she has to edit all of her articles.
3:08So she has all the intel and all the information to work at her disposal.
3:13So she should be finishing top 10. She could be doing like a Price is Right too where she sees like where everybody's got.
3:20And then she's like $1. You know, like she just goes like one over.
3:24And then she slides it in. Now Kelly's. Kelly's sharp.
3:27Kelly's a sharp. We got some sharps over here.
3:30You guys want to check out? You can check out the weekly and the full year accuracy contest over on Fantasy Pros.
3:37You know, if you want to be an accountability buddy.
3:40Fantasypros.com slash rankings. That's where you can check out what we're going to be talking about today.
3:45Check out all the rankings throughout the week as they will change as more of the experts submit their ranks.
3:51That's what we're going to be talking about today.
3:53If you want to follow along. And let's jump into the big board here.
3:58Talking running back top 12. The big board for week six starts with, of course, Bijon Robinson.
4:03We got Ken Walker coming in at two. Jonathan Taylor.
4:06Kyron Williams at four. Christian McCaffrey at five. And Derek Henry rounds out the top six.
4:10Bottom half is Javante Williams, James Cook, Jalen Warren, DeAndre Swift, Ramondre Stevenson, and Ashton Gentry.
4:15Got a couple things to actually talk about in this top end here.
4:19One is a little discrepancy you guys have. And this is more around you, Fitz.
4:24Derek Henry. I mean, this is picking nits, as they say, a little bit.
4:28He comes in at six. Erickson's got him at seven.
4:31You got him at three. You got him as a top three running back this week.
4:36Maybe back with Lamar Fitz. Any things you want to throw at us about Derek Henry this week?
4:41He leads the league with 113 rushing attempts. Derek Henry has had 23 or more carries in four of the Ravens' first five games.
4:48He's had at least one touchdown in every game.
4:51He's had a two-touchdown game and a three-touchdown game.
4:54Five games, eight touchdowns. He's on a pace for 27 TDs.
4:57And right now, Derek Henry is the RB in fantasy points per game.
5:01Behind only Jameer Gibbs, Kenneth Walker, and B. John Robinson.
5:04I would have had Henry at RB4 this week, but Jameer Gibbs is on buy.
5:08And I love the way, by the way, that Declan Doyle is getting Henry involved in the screen game, which is how he had his touchdown last week.
5:17Who would imagine? Get this big, intimidating guy into space and let him rumble over linebackers and defensive backs.
5:22So, yeah. I mean, things are going really well for Derek Henry, and things only get better if Lamar Jackson comes back.
5:29Yeah. You got him top of the heap. We don't need to sit on that.
5:34Obviously, Derek Henry's good. I wanted you to mention, because you had him so high, I want to jump to Erickson for
5:40the next player on this list, because if you're looking at, like, what doesn't quite fit, what doesn't feel like it should
5:47be on this list, you see Ramondra Stevenson's name, and you're like, huh?
5:51Well, Travion Anderson banged up. Ramondra Stevenson comes in at RB11 this week on the Fantasy Pro's matchup tool, which you can see on the ranks.
5:58It's a four out of five star rating, so that's solid.
6:02Fitzy, we'll definitely go to you on it, because you've got him outside of the RV1s.
6:07But, Erickson, you are higher than ECR. You've got him inside the top ten running backs for this week.
6:12So, Erickson, talk to us about Ramondra Stevenson without Travion Henderson.
6:16Yeah, I think that's really the main selling point with Ramondra, is he's going to see a hefty workload and, I think,
6:22a positive matchup against the New York Jets. Last week, he got all but two of New England's carries from running backs after Travion Henderson went down.
6:30Team high for red zone touches. And Kiner, the backup running back for the Patriots, the third stringer, he got a fumble in last week's game.
6:38So, I think that the team already had showed us when Henderson was healthy that they trust Stevenson to be the RB1.
6:45He catches passes. He gets red zone opportunities. The Patriots offense has looked legit back over the last two games with Drake
6:51May really having a return to form from what we saw during his second season.
6:56And if you look at Ramondra from last year, when he really took the reins as the clear-cut RB1 and really improved
7:02in the second half of the season, he was RB7 in points per game from Week 13 throughout the postseason, averaging 15.4 points per game in half PPR.
7:11Fantasy RB1 production. So, that's why I have him right at the RB8, RB7 range, because that's what he was when he
7:17was the bell cow last year for the New England Patriots.
7:21And that's exactly what I'm expecting here. Top ten matchup against the New York Jets.
7:25They're playing at home. I think that he is a slam dunk.
7:29Fitzy, is there any hesitation whatsoever? You've got him at 14.
7:32It's not a hate or anything like that. It's going to be hard to not start a top 15 running back this
7:39week, but you're a little bit lower than ECR outside of that top ten.
7:43What hesitation do you have with Ramondra on having him higher?
7:46Yeah, you're starting him no matter what. I think the only catch with Stevenson is that you know he's not going to give you any breakaway runs.
7:54So, you're counting on that volume. And he's been dealing with a knee issue.
7:58So, he probably does get ample volume in a fairly good matchup.
8:02But that's the thing. You have to get the 15-plus touches from him.
8:06And I think you will this week. But it's just he's not going to get it in big chunks.
8:12Any thoughts on Ashton Gentry as the last one in this top end?
8:15You know, a lot of question around him last week.
8:18Performance. Eh. Used a lot of lob over even Washington.
8:21Washington got it phased out and snaps. They got Buffalo this week, which seems like a solid matchup.
8:27He comes in at RB12. You guys are just kind of split across.
8:31Erickson, you've got him at 13. So, you've got Ramondra higher.
8:34Fitz, you've got him as a top ten this week.
8:37So, Fitzy, what's your take on Ashton Gentry this week?
8:40Any concerns? Obviously, no really concerns having him top ten.
8:43He's a really interesting case. And I think the vibes are pretty negative on Gentry right now.
8:48He's banged up. Like, he came into the season with an ankle injury.
8:52You guys remember that one? The social media panic over the report that Gentry was down and in pain after what seemed
8:59like a season-ending injury during a practice. But not season-ending.
9:02Although now he's dealing with plantar fasciitis. So, that's not good.
9:05Gentry had that great game against the Dolphins in week one.
9:08A hundred yards rushing, six catches, 45 yards, two touchdowns receiving.
9:12Since then, it hasn't been quite as pretty. He has not scored a touchdown over his last four games.
9:17Has not hit 60 rushing yards in any of his last four games.
9:21And yet, Gentry is still RB16 in PPR points per game over the last four weeks.
9:26Because this dude is doing some work as a pass catcher.
9:29His receiving numbers over the last three weeks, three for 37, six for 68, three for 50.
9:34He's on pace for over 700 receiving yards. And even without the big game in week one, Gentry has averaged 89.8 yards
9:41from scrimmage over the last four weeks. He scored double-digit PPR points every week.
9:45There have been no complete duds from him. And this week, banged up as he may be, Gentry gets the Buffalo Bills,
9:52who still are not very good against the run.
9:5419th in DVOA is Buffalo's run defense. And the Bills could be without Ed Oliver, who missed week five with a knee
10:01injury that seems like it's going to be a multi-week thing.
10:04I keep thinking about, by the way, when you talk about the injury, I think about that viral video.
10:10Wasn't it two days after that viral video of the guy who walked up to his auction draft or whatever, or just
10:17their live draft, and he put Ashton Gentry as the number one pick, and that went everywhere.
10:22And then two days later, Gentry goes down, and everyone was just roasting that guy.
10:26He's not really having any type of I-told-you-so moment, though, either way.
10:30Erickson, is there any hesitation? You haven't been 13, so again, it's not anything crazy.
10:34I feel like we're going to see some Ashton Gentry questions.
10:38There's a couple guys. Chase Brown and him are going to be questions I feel like we're going to see as the week kind of moves on.
10:46Is there any hesitation whatsoever with Gentry if somehow you had amazing options, or is it just plug-and-play and you just drop them at 13?
10:53I mean, I want to see the rosters where you can afford to not start Ashton Gentry.
10:58You must have an embarrassment of riches at running back.
11:01What if someone had Ramondre Stevenson, and you've got James Cook, Ramondre Stevenson, and Gentry, and you'd probably have a flex.
11:08Send me the screenshots. I want to see these rosters.
11:11Please do it. I would say with Gentry, it does come down to health for me, right?
11:16I thought that he looked significantly more banged up in this last game against the Patriots than he did previously.
11:22Now, he was really questionable to play leading up to Friday.
11:25I believe he didn't practice, and then we got the notification on Saturday that he was going to be a go.
11:31But even Clint Kubiak admitted this week that he is playing hurt, right?
11:35Legit, like, no, like, full stop. This guy is hurt.
11:38And that doesn't really give me the warm and fuzzy feeling of, oh, I want to start this running back as a
11:45fantasy RB1 when the Russian production has been absolutely abysmal for Gentry.
11:48Now, the floor is there because of what Fitz alluded to with the receiving and a matchup against the Buffalo Bills.
11:55We respect to be high scoring. The Raiders are playing at home in a dome.
11:59Yeah, they're going to have to be aggressive and involve him in the passing game.
12:04But I want to see some positive takeaways from the injury report this week.
12:08Is Ashton Gentry practicing in full? Does he have rest days on Wednesday and Thursday and practices on Friday?
12:14I mean, right now, when you look at the rushing touchdowns, Mike Washington has one.
12:18Dylan Lobby has one. Gentry has zero rushing touchdowns this season.
12:21The most carries of all running backs without a touchdown.
12:24Eventually, he's going to find the end zone. But, I mean, it was an absolutely brutal run out for him last week
12:31when they get down to the goal line and Dylan Lobby scores the rushing touchdown.
12:36And they take Ashton Gentry out of the game.
12:38Like, come on, man. Like, don't do this Ken Walker, Zach Sharman, I think, again with Ashton Janty.
12:44Please don't do this to us. So, I think the floor is obviously there with Janty.
12:48And I will say with the Bills run defense, at least, number three in rushing stuff rate this season.
12:54So, I don't think that this may be the turnaround for Janty to, oh, now he's averaging five yards per carry.
13:00It looks really explosive. I think he's kind of have to grind his way to getting to a fantasy RB1 type of stat line.
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13:49RB2s. Let's take a look at the big board.
13:5213 through 24. We've got Chuba Hubbard coming in at 13.
13:55Bucky Irving at 14. Followed by Emmanuel Wilson. Basial Tootin.
13:58Cam Skadaboo. Braylon Allen. Jeremiah Love at 19. 15 to 20 to 24 is Woody Marks.
14:03Marshawn Lloyd. Tony Pollard. Quinchon Jutkins. And Ja'Cory Kroski.
14:06Merritt Boyd. Have you ever seen a list of running backs that shows you we're on bye weeks than this set here?
14:12Let's talk about Emmanuel Wilson. Emmanuel Wilson kind of getting the throws of all the stuff.
14:17He comes in as a top 15 running back going up against Denver.
14:21He is RB15. You both are lower on him.
14:24Fitzy at 19. Erickson, RB22. Erickson, let's start with you then on the negative.
14:28Still an RB2, just quite a bit lower for both of you guys.
14:32Where is the negatives on Emmanuel Wilson against Denver?
14:35Well, I don't want to over-evaluate the talent that Emmanuel Wilson is.
14:38And I think that we talked about this last week with Fitz and I both being lower versus consensus on Emmanuel Wilson
14:45because we're just trying to keep expectations in check for a running back that I think is okay.
14:50He gets what's blocked for him. But Fitz, correct me if I'm wrong, but this guy's not a special running back.
14:56And you've obviously watched him play with the Green Bay Packers.
15:00We've watched him play with the Seahawks this year.
15:02So on the year, Wilson ranks six worth in rushing yards over expectation per attempt.
15:07He ranks six worth in EPA per rush, 12 worth in yards after contact per attempt.
15:12A lot of these numbers are like the same as O'Marrion Hampton as a rusher.
15:16Now, Wilson plays in a much better environment where he actually gets opportunities in the red zone playing for the Seattle Seahawks.
15:23But we just saw the Chargers offense go up against this Denver Broncos run defense.
15:27And who was a major bust among their three running backs?
15:31O'Marrion Hampton. So you need a more explosive type of running back that's actually good, in my opinion, to really take advantage.
15:37Look at the Broncos and who they have faced at running back this year.
15:41Kenneth Walker, Bachel Toon, Christian McCaffrey, Kyron Williams. Those guys are all significantly better than Emmanuel Wilson is.
15:47So I think that he is a RB too, because he has the volume on his side.
15:52But I don't think that this matchup is, oh man, this is so gaudy.
15:56You got to start Emmanuel Wilson as a top 15 running back play.
16:00I think that's kind of aggressive, especially when you're going on the road to face the Denver Broncos on a short week.
16:07We know Denver is a tough place to play because of the altitude.
16:11So last week, one of my best bets was the under on Emmanuel Wilson, total rushing and receiving yards, because I did
16:17not think his receiving from two weeks ago was going to carry over.
16:21And that was the case, right? We didn't see him pop off for a major receiving role again, 20 times or 20 carries for 61 yards.
16:29And he caught two of two passes for 11 yards, also lost the fumble.
16:33I know Helani also lost the fumble as well, but it's still a somewhat of a committee.
16:38They still like to use Helani on third downs and in passing situations.
16:42So for me, that just makes Emmanuel Wilson just a lower end RB2 than more of a higher end one.
16:48Slightly higher Fitzy at 19. You got him as a top 20 running back this week.
16:53Are you kind of co-signing a lot of the, it's a lot of negative connotation around him.
16:58He still is kind of the guy, but is this a talent in what he can do?
17:03Or is this a Denver Bronco defense just kind of stuffing and not letting him be able to, I mean, because he's
17:10a red zone guy there, but not letting him be able to do anything.
17:14I don't know that I'm worried about the Denver defense.
17:17I mean, Denver's giving up four yards per carry after, yards after contact per carry.
17:21That's the most in the league. And they have been missing more tackles than any other defense.
17:26I don't think it's necessarily a terrible run defense.
17:29Like I'm not excited about the matchup, but I don't think it's a negative either.
17:34I will co-sign on Erickson's assessment that Emmanuel Wilson is just fine as a backup running back, but probably stretched as a number one back for anyone.
17:42So he's gotten 21 and 20 carries the last two weeks.
17:45That's the attraction. He's had 142 rushing yards, three touchdowns, and he's also had five catches for 50 yards with one of
17:52his three touchdowns coming on a catch. So he's not a complete zero as a pass catcher.
17:57The concern is that he's fumbled in each of his last two games and the fumble against the Niners last week.
18:03Pretty costly. Set them up at the 11-yard line.
18:06Christian McCaffrey scored on the next play. Although, an even more costly fumble by George Helani, who coughed it up right at the end of the first half.
18:14I'm sure you didn't mind that one well. I love the 49ers.
18:18Dove on it for a touchdown. So, yeah, even more costly than the Emmanuel Wilson fumble.
18:23But, I don't know. I'm just, I'm okay with him as a mid-range RB2 in a four-team bye week just based on
18:29the volume he's gotten the last two weeks with no Jadarian Price and Zach Charbonnet not ready to come back.
18:35I'm just not super excited about it. And I think that the high-end RB2 ECR seems a little bit aspirational.
18:41Quick, who'd you rather, Fitzy? Manuel Wilson or Amarian Hampton this week?
18:45Oh, Wilson. Erickson? Yeah, it's Wilson. I mean, at least Wilson leads his team in snaps and carries.
18:50It's not the case with Hampton, so. Just wanted to have a little heat check there as you were comparing him to Hampton, but it's still Wilson.
18:58Let's talk about something near and dear to Fitzy's heart, and it is the Green Bay Packers.
19:03But how near and dear is Marshawn Lloyd to your heart?
19:07RB21 on the week going up against Dallas. Five-star graded matchup.
19:10You guys are a little bit split. Erickson is the high man, only one spot higher than ECR.
19:15Fitzy, you technically still have him as an RB2, but he's your final 24, so you're lower.
19:20So, Fitzy, talk to us about Marshawn Lloyd. That team has just been wildly ineffective in their run game, but is the tide turning?
19:28What are your thoughts on Marshawn Lloyd this week?
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21:28I know the matchup is pretty good, but I would warn people not to chase the touchdowns.
21:33Marshawn Lloyd is averaging 2.8 yards per carry. The Packers have a bad offensive line.
21:37Lloyd only had a 44% snap share last week.
21:40He was splitting carries with Pierre Strong early in the game, or splitting snaps.
21:44Caleb Johnson is in the mix too, although Caleb just seemed to be demoted, didn't really get into the game until the
21:51game was out of hands last week. I guess it was encouraging that Marshawn Lloyd actually lowered his shoulder to truck Jalen
21:57Johnson for one of his touchdowns last week, considering that Marshawn Lloyd is always looking to bounce runs outside.
22:03Nice to see him actually take on a tackler and do that, but I'm not super excited about him this week.
22:09Erickson, you're a little bit more excited, and maybe even compare, like, how close do you have Lloyd and Wilson?
22:15I'm now forgetting because I think you had, what did you have?
22:19You had Wilson at 22. You actually have, you have Marshawn Lloyd higher than Emmanuel Wilson this week.
22:24I like the matchup so much against the Dallas Cowboys.
22:27I mean, one of those Bucky Irving massive runs, it looked like he was going to get stopped against the Dallas Cowboys
22:34defense, and they just couldn't tackle him. Like, they just, like, I did no idea what they were doing.
22:40So I think in terms of missed tackles, I got to imagine Dallas Cowboys are right up there handholding with the Denver Broncos run defense.
22:47So I think that this is worth buying into.
22:50The total in this game is absolutely massive. And although Pierre Strong ate into Marshawn Lloyd's opportunities as a receiver, it's still
22:56something that they have trusted him on third down.
22:59And I don't think that the touchdowns are super fluky, right?
23:02He had gotten a lot of red zone opportunities heading into last week's game, had not scored those touchdowns yet, and ended
23:09up converting his red zone opportunities into two touchdowns.
23:12So I'm very confident the Packers offense is going to score points against Dallas.
23:16It's not necessarily going to be because Lloyd is ripping off all these big runs, but if they're going to be in
23:22the red zone constantly, then I think Lloyd has a really strong chance of finding the end zone and scoring.
23:28So I like him here a little bit here.
23:31And because I just, I really like the matchup.
23:34The final running back in this range to talk about jumping over to RB20 was, you know, if available, the top waiver
23:40claim or the guy that we talked most about, Woody Marks.
23:44Now with that and you Dave Montgomery, the problem is Woody Marks, almost given like 20 other teams he could have faced,
23:50would probably be pushing top 15 this week, would probably be a guy that we'd want like over Emmanuel Wills.
23:56I mean, maybe not. Maybe you guys will speak different to it.
24:00But unfortunately, Woody Marks goes from that high end waiver claim to being the guy, but he goes against the Jags.
24:06And that is one of a few of the one-star matchups, according to Fantasy Pros, that he's got for this week.
24:13He's ECR 20. You guys, again, are a little bit split.
24:16Erickson, you are the high. Fitzy, you are the low.
24:19But they're still RB2s. But you guys have just like, literally, the ECR is the average between you guys.
24:25Erickson, why don't you hit it first? You've got him at 18, so you're a little bit higher.
24:30That's, you know, positive remarks here, but it's just a really like bad general matchup.
24:34So what do you think about putting Woody Marks out there this week?
24:38Played 85% of the snaps last week, 16 straight opportunities.
24:41Basically, they gave no other running back any touches after Dave Montgomery got hurt last week.
24:46And we've seen the Texans offense under Nick Haley feature Woody Marks as their focal point in his backfield.
24:52So I think from a snaps touches perspective, you're looking at a really high floor and potentially high ceiling with Woody Marks.
24:58Now, the matchup, as we all alluded to, we talked about it last week with Will Shipley was going to be really
25:05tough against the Jaguars, but Will Shipley paid off, right?
25:08He didn't even play the full game, but he caught a couple passes, rushed for a couple yards and scored a touchdown.
25:15I was like, sick. I picked him up off waivers and he ended up cashing for my lineup as a RB2 flex play.
25:22So going back to the matchup, if you look at the Texans run game against the Jaguars run defense, I don't think
25:28you're going to see anything more stark. Texas have averaged 3.2 yards per design run this season.
25:33That's the fewest in the NFL, 30.4% success rate on design runs, the second lowest Jaguars run defense, 2.9 yards per design run this season.
25:41That's the fewest in the NFL and the fewest by any team through week five since 2023, the Seattle Seahawks.
25:47So it's brutal. We all know it's brutal, but I would say when it comes to Woody Marks, he faced his Jaguars
25:53team last year and he was the focal point of the backfield at that time as well, finished as RB10 on the week.
26:00He had 63 rushing yards. That is the second most rushing yards of any running back that has faced the Jaguars in
26:07the last two seasons, trailing only Jonathan Taylor. So I'm just saying, but there's proof of concept where Woody Marks has been
26:13an RB1 against his Jaguars defense before. And when you have such a high opportunity share in your backfield, this leads to ceiling outcomes.
26:21So he could stumble his way into the end zone and maybe they could use him in the passing game.
26:27He did have a little bit of a boost last week in terms of his targets out of the backfield.
26:33And we know he's a talented pass catcher based on what he did at the college level.
26:38So I just think there's a lot of outs for Woody Marks that I'm not willing to necessarily be too low on
26:44him just because the matchup when we saw it last week, right?
26:48Shipley paid off and he didn't play the full game just because he got opportunities and scored a touchdown.
26:54Fitzy, you have Marshawn Lloyd, I think it was 24 and you've got Marks at 22.
26:58Are these guys in that? Because you kind of had that hesitation like you don't want to, you know, push Marshawn Lloyd out there.
27:06Is there like a little bucket of these guys that are maybe outside the top 20 that you just are, you have
27:12like a general worry with or is maybe there a line where you feel a little bit more comfortable with Woody Marks
27:19than after that things start to falter? I would put these guys in different tiers because of the workloads.
27:24I think Lloyd is a committee back and Marks is going to be getting the backfield to himself this week.
27:30I mean, maybe Daré Agumawale gets a handful of touches.
27:33Maybe the Texans call up Jawar Jordan from the practice squad, but it's mostly going to be Marks.
27:39And yeah, I mean, Marks is averaging 3.5 yards per carry this year.
27:43He averaged 3.6 last year. 2.6 targets a game this year and only 4.2 yards per target.
27:48That stats paint kind of a bleak picture. It's kind of disappointing he hasn't moved the needle as a pass catcher, even
27:54though that was a big part of his appeal as a prospect coming out of USC.
27:59I do think Marks has looked better this year than he did last year, even if the numbers don't really quantify that assessment.
28:06It's just purely an eyeball thing for me. But the matchup is tough.
28:10I mean, Erickson talked about it. The Jaguars run defense number one in DVOA.
28:14They're giving up 42 rushing yards per game to running backs and 2.5 yards per carry to running backs.
28:20And even with the success, you can call a 62-yard rushing day success for Marks last year.
28:25I'm not buying that he has solved the Jaguars run defense.
28:28So I'm a little worried about the matchup, but I do think you have to lean into the volume.
28:34And if you've got Marks, you're probably playing him.
28:37He is an RB2 and a 14 bye week.
28:39Let's take a look at RB3s, the flex RBs, and all those backs that we're talking about, whether there's a little negative
28:46or positive, we're like, we're probably starting these guys.
28:49Oh boy. These are, this is the group where we're really going to have to put to the test where some of
28:55you guys are going to have to start. So let's talk about some of those names.
29:00Coming in, looking at the big board here, 25, O'Marrion Hampton.
29:03It's just still sick that he's in that range where we have to be concerned.
29:08J.K. Dobbins at 26, Alvin Kamara at 27, R.J.
29:11Harvey, Blake Corum, Keaton Mitchell, bottom half here, Damian Pierce, Kendra Miller, Brian Robinson, Tyler Algier, Rashad White, and Kenny Gainwell.
29:17One thing is not like the other, guys. There's so many names that we could talk about.
29:22Let's hone in on a couple. Let's talk about R.J.
29:25Harvey here for a second. Peyton took over. That was kind of the joke.
29:29I think, Fitzy, we did that on the waivers.
29:32We're like, hey, Peyton's going to take over. This will be great.
29:36And, you know, R.J. Harvey time, incorrect. It was not.
29:39Yet, he comes in at 28, and he's kind of right next to J.K.
29:43Dobbins. It's not a great matchup against Seattle. There's a part of me, is this a hedge thing?
29:48Fitzy, you got him lower, though. So, like, well, Fitzy, where does he deserve to be even a top 30 back right now at this point?
29:56Barely. Top 30. So, I've got him RB30. I mean, in week four, R.J.
30:00Harvey had 10 catches in the Broncos' loss to the 49ers.
30:03He went from 10 catches to zero catches last week, and the Broncos went over the Chargers.
30:09Variance is something in fantasy football, man. But I don't know if it's random variance in this case.
30:14Sean Payton took over play calling duties last week.
30:17And in Payton's first game of the season calling plays, J.K.
30:20Dobbins played 32 snaps, a season-high 51.6% snap share.
30:23R.J. Harvey, nine fewer snaps than Dobbins. And Payton just seemed hell-bent on getting the Denver running game going.
30:28Dobbins had a season-high 18 carries, 68 yards and a touchdown.
30:32I just worry that Payton's takeover of the play calling might not be that good for R.J.
30:37Harvey. That's what I was alluding to. That's exactly what I was alluding to, is Payton takes over and R.J.
30:43Harvey, poof. Erickson, you got him at 24, though.
30:45You have him as an RB2 this week. I'm guessing, because I don't see it, I'm guessing you have him over Dobbins.
30:52So, what gives you optimism that Harvey becomes more of a feature back this week against Seattle?
30:57Because they're not playing the Chargers defense this week, and they're playing the Seahawks defense, which is a much, much tougher matchup
31:04for a traditional in-between-the-tackles running back like J.K. Dobbins, when we've talked about this a lot, specifically on the Prop Show, and
31:10although the Prop did not come through with Christian McCaffrey going over his receptions, despite the fact that my sister got married
31:17at the exact same place that Christian McCaffrey did this past weekend, at the Ocean House, I texted him, I was like,
31:24this is the first time I'm ever going to take an over on Christian McCaffrey, the Props, because I'm in the same
31:30building that he got married in, because my sister was getting married, and of course, he lets me down.
31:36I got to be honest with you, it was kind of the sickest burn that happened, because Erickson just randomly out of
31:42the blue, because, you know, I was out last week, and so I've texted me that, I think I was in LA
31:49when you texted me that, and I'm like, this might be the greatest hit of all time, you're where he got married,
31:56and then he gets three catches, it was really a disappointment, especially in our world of wanting that stuff to hit.
32:02Yeah, so it did not come through, but for the most part this season, offenses have had a lot of success targeting
32:09running backs out of the backfield against this Seahawks defense.
32:12Six worse than EPA per pass attempt faced when it's been a backfield target, and the six most targets allowed to running backs.
32:18Last year, they ranked number one across the board in terms of running back receiving yards, targets, and receptions.
32:24Now, they've been better at corralling these running backs after the catch.
32:28The Seahawks have not been giving up nearly as much yards after the catch, but I think this is an opportunity where
32:34the Broncos have to take advantage of Harvey's abilities as a receiver.
32:38And although the snap counts, the opportunities were so greatly distributed last week between J.K.
32:42Dobbins, and yeah, I think Sean Payton obviously had a big role because he took over play calling.
32:48He was gun-ho on, okay, I gotta get J.K.
32:51Dobbins going. How good was that offense last week?
32:53Was anyone like, oh yeah, this offense is so back, like we are so inspired, Sean Payton, save us, please.
32:59I mean, it looked a lot like the Davis Webb offense, except they just gave J.K.
33:04Dobbins 20 carries. And it really wasn't that much more explosive against Seattle and that defense.
33:09I think that this is a brutal matchup for Dobbins.
33:12Again, excuse me, 18 carries, not 20, but 20 total opportunities because he caught two passes as well.
33:17Whereas Harvey, we saw Harvey have a big role in the receiving game last year when Sean Payton was calling play.
33:24So I'm not ready to just take one game out.
33:27Okay, Harvey's never going to catch another pass. J.K.
33:29Dobbins is going to see 18 carries per game because these guys both played last season and Harvey still had a role in the receiving game last year.
33:38So especially if they're facing a negative game script against the Seattle Seahawks, who I believe are favorites in this game, even
33:44though the Denver Broncos are playing at home, I think that Harvey bounces back here.
33:49I want to pick on that more and pick on you more about that.
33:53But the problem is, is like the names after Harvey too.
33:56We get like to your, to the point of what you're saying is, is like, I can agree with it, but I'd
34:03be like, well, I would rather see it happen on my bench and then move forward instead of putting it in my lineup.
34:10But this week with bi-weeks and the guys that are behind, it's not an inspiring group to be like, well, guys, Kendra
34:16Miller is so much more trustworthy than RJ Harvey.
34:19It's really not. Like, scheme-wise of what you're talking about makes a lot of sense.
34:23Let's go to another name though. This is, and by the way, Harvey was RB28.
34:28We now jump to RB29 on Fantasy Pro's ECR and that's Blake Corum.
34:32You guys both are higher on Corum than ECR, though Erickson, you are lower on Corum than RJ Harvey here.
34:38So talk to us about Corum and like where the, where the gap is between, you know, I mean, I guess volume is really never there.
34:46It's just, there's a touchdown equity. What's the gap for you with Corum and the potential upside of RJ Harvey?
34:52Well, I think Corum is capped because of the usage in the Rams offense, right?
34:56His touch rate is a career low, 45.9% this year, 27.8% snap share according to NextGenStats because, I mean, Kyron Williams has
35:03just been and it's a complete revelation this year.
35:05Again, he's doing everything that he did last year and then also catching passes.
35:10So he is going basically nuclear having a career year and that's just really hard for him to take off the field, right?
35:17So that's why he's up as RB5 in consensus rankings against the Arizona Cardinals.
35:21I think with Blake Corum, you're hoping second half, Rams are just absolutely destroying the Arizona Cardinals and Blake Corum gets more run in the second half.
35:29So I know I'm in a league where I've started Blake Corum as my RB2 basically every single week because I know
35:35he's good and sometimes it works out because he gets opportunities.
35:39You know he will take the most with the opportunities that he gets but it's just a matter of projecting those.
35:45So, but I do think in this particular matchup, it's really easy to see the picture of how he does get more
35:52involved especially in the second half because, I mean, as good as Kyron looked against the Bills, I mean, Blake Corum also looked really good.
35:59So these guys are both really talented and I wish there were more touches to go along in this Rams backfield but
36:06you can only feed so many playmakers when Puka Nikola gets 24 freaking targets in a game.
36:11Fitzy, this is actually one of the few where, when I was just talking about Harvey and I'm like not an inspiring
36:17group behind him, I would rather the floor and touchdown equity of Corum than the guessing game of RJ Harvey.
36:23Now, clearly your ranks are telling the same story but do you think Corum is one of those guys in this whole
36:30group of like the, you know, RB28 and beyond where at worst at least Corum has like a really nice floor compared
36:37to the imaginary upsides of a lot of these other guys?
36:40I don't know if he has a floor. Like he's really hard to peg week to week.
36:45Rams first two games, Corum had 10 touches, 13 touches.
36:48Both of those games were kind of blowouts. Blowout loss to the 49ers, blowout win over the, I think it was Eagles
36:55or no, I'm sorry, that was the Jackson dart game, the Giants, yeah.
36:59In the three games since which have all been really close, he's had eight, six, and eight touches.
37:04And I think last year, Corum wasn't playing a ton of snaps last year either but he was getting the touches on
37:11a big percentage of his snaps and that hasn't really been the case this week.
37:15So in week four, Corum played a season low 13 snaps, only had five carries, one catch, 21 yards from scrimmage.
37:21Then last week, not a ton of touches either but he had 53 receiving yards, scored his first touchdown of the season,
37:28finished RB 13 in PPR scoring for the week.
37:31Corum's previous single game high in receiving yardage over his career, 15 yards.
37:35He more than tripled that against the Bells last week.
37:38So I do think the passing game usage is kind of encouraging.
37:41Like he needs to get that if he's going to have standalone value.
37:45He's gotten four, two, and four targets over his last three games which doesn't sound like a lot but he had been
37:52a complete zero in the passing game. Like Stafford does not throw to his running backs very often.
37:57Kyron had been the only Rams running back getting any targets.
38:00So it's good to see Corum at least starting to get some usage as a pass catcher.
38:05All right, final one let's talk about and then we'll get a deep play from each one of you guys is Kendrick Miller.
38:12I actually mentioned him just a tiny bit ago.
38:15He is 32 on ECR. Solid matchup. Got the Giants touchdown last week.
38:19It's kind of a mess as far as, you know, who they're going to use.
38:23I think he was number two in snaps. Perhaps just it's a weird situation with the Saints.
38:29So Fitzy, how do you how are you going to approach when people are asking, hey, should I put Kendrick Miller in as a flex?
38:36You know, bye weeks are going to take out a lot of guys.
38:40You have Kendrick Miller at 29. Erickson's got him at 27.
38:43So you guys are actually both higher than ECR.
38:46So what is your week six thesis Fitzy on Kendrick Miller?
38:49Boy, it's really hard to figure out because you've got Alvin Kamara dealing with a back injury and last week Kendrick Miller
38:56out snapped Kamara 14 to 12, out touched Kamara 10 to 5 in a loss to the Vikings.
39:01But that was a weird game. The Saints only held the ball for like 20 minutes of clock time in that game.
39:08So you hope that doesn't repeat in which case maybe Kendrick Miller got 10 carries in a game where the Saints had the ball for 20 minutes.
39:16The problem for the Saints is that they can't get anything going with their running game whatsoever.
39:21Kamara's averaging 3.1 yards per carry this year. Miller 2.9 yards per carry.
39:25Absence of left tackle Kelvin Banks certainly is not helping things for the Saints.
39:29Banks has what's been described as a severe high ankle sprain.
39:32Miller only has four catches for 15 yards. Doesn't really add any receiving value whatsoever.
39:37That's entirely Kamara's domain even though Kamara's past catching efficiency is just completely cratered.
39:41So not a lot going in this backfield. I think you're just betting on Miller as a pretty good bet for double
39:48digit carries in a decent matchup against the Giants.
39:50Erickson Super Chat pops up. Hey Erickson who would you start this week as my RB2 Kendrick Miller or Blake Corum?
39:57Woof. Thank them first. Say thank you for the Super Chat.
40:00Thank you Welsh for the Super Chat. Thank you for the Super Chat.
40:04What did my rankings say? What I have Miller, RB27 and then Corum I have RB28.
40:09So yeah I guess I'm going with probably both be terrible and then it won't matter.
40:14Go with the guy in the good offense. That's kind of what I was thinking.
40:18That's why I would go with the higher offensive play.
40:21That's fair but what if he doesn't get any opportunities?
40:24Right? I feel maybe a little bit more confident about Kendrick Miller because I thought that the one thing that worked for
40:31the Saints offensively against the Vikings was they had one drive where they just gave Kendrick Miller the majority of his touches
40:37and they just kept feeding him and feeding him and eventually punched in for a score.
40:42Again he had 10 of the 20 opportunities for the running backs, 10 carries for 30 yards plus that 2 yard touchdown
40:49which a lot came on one significant drive. Now they all got out snapped by CJ Donaldson but that was because when
40:55you're getting blitzed like crazy against the Vikings defense, he's going to be out there more for pass protection.
41:01But that could also be something that happens in this game too against the New York Giants who have also been more
41:07blitz heavy since they lost Brian Burns and Shuck has not been good against the blitz this season.
41:13So I think that to slow that down they need to run the football and the big difference between the Giants defense
41:19and the Vikings defense is Giants can't stop the run.
41:22Second worst EPA per rush allowed this season. So if I'm Kellen Moore I'm like I have to feature my best running
41:29back on the ground and although it's not a great thing that Kendrick Miller is probably that guy, that's probably their best running back in between the tackles.
41:37Not Kamara, not CJ Donaldson, it's probably Kendrick Miller.
41:40So the fact he also got red zone opportunities last week suggests, okay, he's got some touchdown equity and I think that the matchup is pretty good.
41:48So I will go with Kendrick Miller more confident he gets more work than Blake Corum and I think his matchup is also really good.
41:56All right, outside the top, those are the top 36, that's a big board.
42:00But if we look outside of the 36 as people peruse the rankings, this could, these could even be players that maybe
42:07move up a little bit as the week goes on.
42:10Regardless of the point, these are a couple deep plays that you guys are locking into.
42:14Erickson, why don't you give us your RB deep play for week six?
42:18Going to go with Kalen Black running back for the San Francisco 49ers.
42:22Similar kind of bet to Blake Corum where it's good offense, maybe they blow out the defense that they're facing, he gets more work in the second half.
42:31I do think that Black is slated for more opportunities because there is no Debo Samuel.
42:35He was someone that was also seeing carries in this backfield.
42:39Now those carries may go to Kalen Black and the commanders defense.
42:42I know that they've been a little bit better against the run.
42:46I don't think it really matters when you're facing the 49ers and the Death Star.
42:50So on Monday Night Football, I think Kalen Black could get a decent amount of usage.
42:55Fitzy, outside the top 36, deeper play running back for you.
42:58I'm going to say George Helani, even though, well, I don't know.
43:02Both of these Seattle running backs are looking at spending time in fumble jail because I think Helani fumbled, I think, twice
43:09last week and that horrible one at the end of the first half.
43:13And Emmanuel Wilson has fumbled twice in the last two weeks.
43:16So but if one or the other ends up in fumble jail, the other benefits.
43:20So maybe Helani is the guy who wins a bench for fumbling and will or maybe Wilson does.
43:26Excuse me. I mean, Helani's in so and the matchup is the other thing that Broncos have not been good at tackling
43:32this year and they've given up the fifth most receptions and the fifth most receiving yards to running backs.
43:38And Helani is kind of the passing down back for Seattle.
43:41So maybe he benefits from this matchup. Want to petition for a fumble jail, just like a blue tent on the sidelines
43:48that we could just have as soon as they fumble.
43:51It's like a two minute box like for fighting and hockey.
43:54They just have to go and fumble jail for a couple minutes and they can't do anything.
43:59Please let us have that. All right, there you go.
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44:45Good luck this week for Erickson and Fitzy. I'm Welsh.
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