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0:07What's up friends and welcome into the tailgate. I'm Chris Welsh.
0:10No Andrew Erickson this week. He got kicked out of the tailgate.
0:13He's gotta get out of here. He's actually over on Betting Pros hanging with some of our friends.
0:19So jumping in for our dear friend Andrew Erickson is Alfredo Brown.
0:22We've got Pat Fitzmaurice and we are talking about all the things under the sun for the NFL.
0:27We've got some of the big games. What are the games that matter most?
0:31We're gonna be breaking some of those down. We're obviously always making the calls.
0:35We've got things to watch and a little bit of news, but Alfredo jumping in.
0:40Alfredo, you've been doing a bunch of the tailgates.
0:42You are a regular in the tailgate as we create our big tailgate group that people can come and hang out with us in before games.
0:50Yeah, man, I haven't been to a real tailgate in years.
0:53So it's kind of nice to come to like one of these.
0:57There's not as much sun poisoning and, you know, the food choices are a little bit healthier because I'm doing this from home.
1:03But yeah, man, it's been great to be a part of it.
1:07It might be blasphemous. I don't know if I've ever actually like that.
1:11I did a tailgate when I worked in radio a long time ago.
1:14I worked the it was one like the Fiesta Bowl out here in Arizona.
1:18I might have been a part of it. I've never really gone and done a tailgate.
1:23I'm going to go out on a limb. Fitzy seemed like the person that might frequent a tailgate or two a week.
1:29Yeah, I mean, I'm from Wisconsin. And well, sure.
1:32Your wife is from Wisconsin, not that far from Green Bay.
1:35So this is a major it's a hole in your resume, my friend, that you have not been to a real tailgate
1:42to drink beer and eat sausage before a sporting event.
1:45My only tailgate is this tailgate, though I do the Arizona Fall League, you know, 200 people going to these like minor league baseball games.
1:52And the other day I saw people tailgating out at that two hours before.
1:56And I was just like, this is dedicated. This is love of the game.
2:00This is love of the tailgate to do it when you're going to go hang out with one hundred and fifty other people.
2:07And you account for like two percent of the audience that you're out there.
2:11I can appreciate that. But I don't have a tailgate in me.
2:14Yeah, we went to I went to FIU in Miami.
2:17And our problem was that everyone went to the tailgates, but no one went to the actual games.
2:22So much so they actually had to outlaw the tailgating because all the college kids were getting way too rowdy at the
2:29tailgates, never showing up to the games. And they thought that would force the students to go to the games.
2:35Nope. They just partied elsewhere. Well, we'll see how rowdy we get here through the rest of this one.
2:40Prepping you guys for all the games. Let's jump into some news.
2:44Thank you guys for hanging out with us as always.
2:46And there's there's just a litany of weird news across the board.
2:50And it starts with actually a little bit of NFL based stuff.
2:53The Giants have made a quarterback change. It is no longer James Winston.
2:57J.J. McCarthy, after being treated, didn't take long. Thought it might have taken a little bit longer.
3:02Did not take long. James Winston and J.J. McCarthy had that second half.
3:06He looked pretty good. And he is now going to be the QB one versus the Texans.
3:11Pat, your expectations. I'm a little bit hesitant. Texans defense.
3:14You know, they haven't been what we've known of them in the past, but they have definitely kind of found themselves a tiny bit more as of recent.
3:22J.J. McCarthy. Is he up to the task to take this Giants offense and move them forward through the rest of the year?
3:29I'm inherently skeptical. I don't want to be because I like a good redemption story.
3:33And this would be a great redemption story. And it would also be kind of fun to see what the Giants would do at quarterback next year.
3:41If J.J. McCarthy played well over the balance of the season and then Jackson Dart comes back from his injury.
3:47And all of a sudden, the Giants have two promising young quarterbacks.
3:50So I'm hoping it goes well. But man, you know, the Texans defense, which is underachieved through the first six weeks of
3:57the season, they're going to show up one of these weeks and just bring it.
4:01And I worry that it's going to be against J.J.
4:04McCarthy in his 2026 starting debut. Yeah, they just bring the house, just go all out.
4:08Alfredo, any thoughts on what this does for the offense as a whole?
4:12Like, you know, can he do some of the things?
4:15I mean, some of the things that James Winston does, only James Winston can do.
4:19There's a McCarthy-ness that vibes a little bit differently.
4:22But like, how do you think the offense is going to work?
4:26Are you concerned about any player? Maybe an Isaiah likely disappearing a little bit more.
4:30Can neighbors continuously get the targets that he does?
4:33How do you see this vibing with McCarthy or QB?
4:35Yeah, I think both those guys still get their targets neighbors and likely just as a head coach, it would be.
4:42I mean, granted, they've already done some irresponsible stuff, but it would be so irresponsible to go away from those guys and
4:48not have play calls designed for them. What Jim Harbaugh has actually talked about, though, is that now they do have the
4:54opportunity to go back to some of the RPO stuff that they designed for Jackson Dart and they were trying to utilize
5:01early in the year, made the offense simple, made the offense efficient.
5:04And then they kind of went to this heavy volume based, less efficient offense that you naturally get with James Winston.
5:10So we might be going back to a more efficient and just RPO based rushing offense that we could see with with J.J.
5:17McCarthy here. Does that mean that we're going to see less targets for these guys?
5:21No. But I think it has an interesting wrinkle here because the Texans have been good against average to bad quarterbacks and then struggled against the good quarterbacks.
5:29This is going to be one of the first times where it's like there's not a whole lot of film on what J.J.
5:36McCarthy is doing in this offense that they can utilize for this week.
5:40So I think that's going to be an interesting wrinkle.
5:43The Philadelphia Eagles have not had a lot of good news as of recent.
5:47It's actually been bad, stacked on top of bad and then filed under bad.
5:51One piece of good news that did come out as of today as we're recording is Saquon Barkley has returned to practice
5:57and NFL Network's Mike Graffalo had reported that Saquon is expected or is at least in line to be playing against the Cowboys.
6:04So this is big news for that offense. Fantasy football perspective, that's solid.
6:08But with a new quarterback and a banged up wide receiver core, Alfredo, where do you think Saquon is going to be
6:14able to either open this up for McKee? Do you think is this is going to be a big struggle?
6:20I mean, this return is great, but what is he returning to?
6:24Yeah, I mean, that's a tough question, right? Is the offensive line going to be able to hold up?
6:29Tanner McKee proved last week that he's not totally incapable of handling the offense, and he's done it before, too.
6:35This is a really good game for them to try to get everything together and work those kinks out going up against
6:41the Dallas defense, who has just been surrendering points left and right, whether it's on the ground or through the air.
6:47So having Devontae Smith back, having Saquon Barkley back, having Tanner McKee be able to get his feet wet last week.
6:53I think we're looking at this is going to be that pivotal point for the Eagles here.
6:58Either they get it together this week or all those rumors about Saquon Barkley getting traded might become real.
7:04And you have to start wondering, do the Eagles start a fire sale if they lose this week?
7:09Because then you are just so far behind in the division and the season is over.
7:14Yeah, Pat Fitzmaurice was bringing up the whole Minnesota and Barkley thing, and I was just like, you know, I got to move Barkley.
7:21I can't just can't imagine it's going to happen.
7:23But that's kind of the that's the line that the Eagles are sitting on right now.
7:28It's like they're going to have to make that move.
7:31And I don't know if that move. I've speculated as well, like we haven't seen the trade market go out.
7:37I kind of think them going and picking up a guy like a Jacoby Brissett from the from the Cardinals would make
7:43some sense of just a guy that can sling the ball and move the offense if they want to compete.
7:49But they might be too far gone. So what is Saquon Barkley?
7:52What offense? What type of offense is Saquon Barkley returning to with the Eagles?
7:57A terrible one, which is why I wonder if it's wise to bring him back this week.
8:01And so Alfredo just used the word fire sale.
8:04The thing is, I don't know if it could be a true fire sale because I don't know how many great sellable
8:10assets the Eagles have, like older veterans who aren't really a part of the future.
8:15I don't think they're a ton on defense. I think Barkley is kind of the clear one guy and bringing him back
8:21to run behind this like completely different, torn down.
8:24I mean, this offensive line has gone from the best in the league a couple of years ago to now it's one
8:30of the worst of the league in the league as currently constructed.
8:34And he's going to look bad and no one has to honor Tyler McKee and you can cheat up your safeties and
8:40it's going to feel like a really constricted offense.
8:43And I fully expect Saquon to get smothered. So why are you destroying his value?
8:47Like it's, it's not like the Colts where the Colts, if they want to have a fire sale, sure.
8:53They've got all these older veterans. I mean, they're probably not going to deal sauce Gardner for pennies on the dollar after
8:59mortgaging their future for him, but they can sell Quentin Nelson.
9:02They can sell. Why am I blanking on some of these sellable assets for them?
9:07Well, on offense, I mean, if they really wanted to, they could move some of the receivers if they want.
9:12You know, it's funny that you guys, you guys are both using the fire sale term, but it's like, do you ever
9:19recall an NFL team actually going into fire sale?
9:21You know what I mean? Like fire sale is like two pieces being traded in the NFL.
9:26Yeah. Well, yeah. Like, yeah, I guess that's true.
9:29Like in an off season, you might see some versions of it.
9:32Have we ever seen an in-season fire sale that you can really recall?
9:36Baseball will have it a bit more. Have it NFL NFL is always lacked in struggled and, you know, been behind in the trade market.
9:43So what a fire sale would look like is just trading one to two.
9:48I mean, alone trading your biggest piece in Saquon Barkley.
9:50But what does the market look like? Right. Where is the value?
9:54And to your point, Pat, like if he goes in and he just gets slammed, you know, all weekend long because the
10:00offensive line is bad and, you know, they're not cheating or they are cheating on McKee because they're like, let him beat us type of thing.
10:08It is a really weird situation. And all of those guys are banged up, by the way.
10:13Like, should Saquon even be back? Should Devonta Smith have just banged up every single outing?
10:17So it's a bad time. It's a bad time for Philly fans.
10:21Bad time for Eagle fans. Oh, yeah. Go ahead.
10:24I was just going to say other the other Colts.
10:26I was thinking of DeForest Buckner, who I think would be valuable.
10:30And I'd love to have him on the Green Bay Packers.
10:33Probably love to try to bring him back. A lot of people and Jonathan Taylor.
10:37So maybe you're competing against the Colts in the market for teams looking to acquire a very good veteran running back.
10:44I just I think there's more to lose by playing Saquon Barkley this week than there is for the Eagles to gain.
10:50So it seems like maybe bringing him back. I know if I were Howie Roseman, I'd maybe be asking Nick Sirianni not to activate Saquon this week.
10:58Maybe there are a lot of other looming things just to kind of throw out to you.
11:03Michael Florida said looming injury pieces as Wednesday and Thursday practices are going on.
11:07Matt LaFloride said that there's no concerns about Christian Watson's ankle ahead of this week seven game.
11:12If that's something that had been out there for you.
11:15Jordan Mason practicing in full, looking to go be good for week seven.
11:18Brock Bowers got into some practices. So, you know, some of the names that might have been floating around small one, Christian
11:25Kirk, who might be the 49ers number one wide receiver with Mike Evans, who's obviously not out there right now.
11:31There's a lot of looming practice pieces, if that's on your mind.
11:34Only other thing I wanted to hit in the news before we jump into some of the big games this week.
11:40Really interesting. Again, there were a bunch of these like outside of football type of things that were going on.
11:46This one really stood out to me. I don't know if you guys saw this, but Sam Laporta openly in season kind
11:52of getting into it with the Lions. He did this on Barstool's Pardon My Take, number one podcast on the planet, Barstool's
11:59Pardon My Take podcast, where he said that the team is, quote, not showing him the love and that he's cool playing elsewhere.
12:06The quote was, I'm going to continue to do my thing and ball out.
12:10And in three months, if I don't get to wear the Honolulu blue and play for the Lions anymore, it's going to be all good.
12:17I'll go get paid somewhere else. So whatever. Really something we just don't see week six or week seven of the NFL
12:23for a player of the stature, Fitzy. Just want to get your take on this.
12:28However you think this manifests with the team. Obviously, it seems like, you know, a breakup is in store here for the future.
12:34But do you recall seeing stuff like this, especially the contractual stuff of a player playing happening in?
12:40It's a new world. You know, podcasts are out there and this stuff is happening at like a harder degree.
12:45But you recall seeing something like this? And do you think we're going to see any effects on field?
12:51I don't think I've seen it in a podcast appearance like that.
12:54I've seen quotes from players who maybe seemed a little salty about not being renegotiated in season.
12:59And I know a lot of teams do not like to negotiate in season and set deadlines at certain days in training
13:06camp or shortly before the start of the season.
13:08But yeah, Laporta, even though the tone seemed amicable on the podcast, he did seem salty.
13:13And if something doesn't get worked out, I would not be surprised if he, you know, was not willing to give the
13:19Lions a re-signing discount to reacquire his services. This is the new stuff, Alfredo.
13:23This is like it used to be, you know, like a no one speaks of it.
13:28Everyone pretends just like, you know, hey, ask the question and they go, I'm just taking it one day at a time.
13:34And, you know, like those days are gone. And it's now players have podcasts.
13:39Guys are doing it again, not to turn it back to baseball.
13:42Mookie Betts has a podcast for the Los Angeles Dodgers.
13:45He does in season every single week where they bring on players.
13:48Like these things are going to happen, NFL players to a really high degree.
13:52They former players have podcasts through the roof and we're just going to have more and more players coming out and more
13:59and more players feeling comfortable to kind of, you know, take stabs like this.
14:03Yeah. And how much of it also, too, is just your negotiating tactic?
14:07Like your agent says like, oh, you're going on the pod for sure.
14:10Don't worry. I already saw the questions. They're going to ask you about the contract.
14:15Give the Lions a little scare, you know, go on there and say you're cool with whatever happens, because even if they
14:21don't want to negotiate now in the regular season, you go and you give an extension to Jack Campbell and Jameer Gibbs
14:28in the offseason this past year, which I don't remember if they're the same draft class, but similar draft classes.
14:33Man, I think it's actually a decent move from Sam Laporte here to bring it up.
14:38And I know that Lions fans are saying, no, just focus on the games.
14:42But at the same time, like we see these guys are always one game away from not having a career.
14:48So to do what you can to ensure that you get your money, I am always pro players getting their money.
14:54So as long as you don't do something that's damaging to the team, I think what he said is totally fine.
15:00You know, it's actually it's a little similar. It's obviously different in the way you're going to understand, but it's kind of
15:07like the Joe Buck, Troy Aikman thing that's going on right now.
15:10If everyone's seen where, you know, like there's now you know that there has to be a camp of Troy Aikman's people
15:16that are leaking a lot of this stuff of the fights and the arguments that are going on because Joe Buck got the hundred plus million dollar deal.
15:25He's saying, you know, and Aikman apparently saying, hey, you screwed me over.
15:28And now it's having to be publicly addressed. Like there's a lot of contractual stuff that's happening.
15:33Different situation with, by the way, hundred million dollars.
15:36Incredible what some of these primetime game announcers are getting right now.
15:39But a lot of contractual stuff in season. Thought that was interesting.
15:43Thought we would hit that. More interesting, the big games, your guys's take on where we're going to be going.
15:49We've got the lines. We've got all your guys's breakdowns.
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16:30Big games. The games that matter. We've got five games that we are going to be hitting on in this one.
16:36And let's start over in the north. Cincinnati and Baltimore.
16:39Lamar Jackson is probably going to determine how exciting this game is truly going to be, but it doesn't matter.
16:45It's still an important game here. Cincinnati currently, probably because of the Lamar question on the injury, is currently a one and a half point road favorite.
16:53Total 48 and a half. Alfredo, let's start with you.
16:56Keys to the game on this one. You know, can Baltimore take this game away from Cincinnati as a home game if Lamar Jackson is not under center?
17:04I mean, we've seen it where Snoop Huntley can play well enough that the Ravens can win games.
17:09But I think it's more about the Ravens defense here than the Ravens offense, if anything.
17:14Like, can the Ravens defense hold back Joe Burrow and these receivers who got a week to hang out and plan and
17:20get ready and get fresh for this game? That's that's the biggest thing to me is like the secondary for the Ravens has been inconsistent at times.
17:28They've had these moments where they're getting takeaways and turnovers and then other times where their secondary has just not been great
17:34and been the liability of the defense. So can they do well enough against these receivers?
17:39That's gonna be the matchup to look for here.
17:41They are one of only two divisions, by the way, the AFC North that every team is over 500.
17:47I didn't realize that Bengals three and two. Everybody else is four into the only other is the NFC North.
17:53So the North rules the way here where every team in the North in the NFC Vikings are five and oh and
17:59the bottom Detroit, which kind of hilarious and ridiculous seeing Detroit at the bottom again with how good that team can be.
18:06Both divisions over 500 as far as record goes.
18:08Fitzy, where do you think you're heading on this one?
18:11Again, Cincinnati, a little bit of a road favorite, really tied to Lamar Jackson.
18:15Where do you think Cincinnati fits in this? And, you know, I just want to throw this one.
18:20It's a little bit of a fantasy perspective. You think we can is this a do or die critical Chase Brown matchup?
18:27Like the Chase Brown stuff has been just really odd with this team.
18:31They need to find themselves. And I know there's a couple people out there that are feeling like if it doesn't happen
18:37here, like when is this going to happen? So, yeah, on the Chase Brown angle.
18:41On one hand, I want to sort of like preach patience with Chase Brown because of the Bengals first five opponents, I
18:48think four of them are top eight in DVOA against the run.
18:51So he has had a murderous row of run defenses that he has faced so far.
18:56Not surprised that the production hasn't been great. On the other hand, I do worry.
19:00I think there was some talk about maybe the Bengals thinking that they got a little more from Samaj P.
19:06Ryan in shotgun. Like they think he's a better runner out of shotgun.
19:10And the Bengals had wanted to do more under center stuff on offense this year.
19:14But it seems like they are sort of scrapping that in real time.
19:18Like Joe Burrow's like, nah, I like shotgun. And they're going to more shotgun.
19:22So maybe that is kind of worrisome for Chase Brown.
19:25Just to piggyback on what Alfredo was saying about the receivers against Baltimore, the Bengals receivers, Jamar Chase T.
19:30Higgins. Jamar Chase has tortured the Baltimore Ravens over his career.
19:34He has 1,204 career receiving yards against Baltimore. The next highest receiving yardage total he has against any team, 785 yards against Pittsburgh.
19:40So Jamar Chase just always brings it against the Ravens.
19:43And I'm sure they dread seeing him. Ravens fans probably not excited to see Jamar Chase.
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22:06Another funny thing about this division, I was just looking here.
22:09This is the only division that three of the four teams have a positive point scored versus differential, except for the top
22:15team in the division, which is a negative points score differential versus the Browns.
22:19Yeah, this is why the whole division is weird.
22:22Browns sit at the top. They've got a negative 16 point differential against what they've given up.
22:27And then everybody else is positive. And I mean, by the way, in the NFC North, again, there's weird correlations to the
22:33North, which we're actually going to talk about in a second.
22:37Every single team has scored more points than given up.
22:40So there is something brewing in the North. And that takes us to the next game.
22:44Green Bay Packers and the Detroit Lions in the Ford Coors field of football matchups here.
22:49Detroit is a three point home favorite. The line is big.
22:52It's 53 and a half more points to be scored.
22:55Fitzy, this is your team, your Green Bay Packers.
22:58Looks like they are going to be returning with Josh Jacobs.
23:01That whole situation, very muddy. Christian Watson has mentioned before that they don't have any expectation.
23:05The ankle is going to be a problem. He is out there and the Lions are coming off of a bye.
23:12And Erickson gets to continue his Jameer Gibbs running touchdown rollover here.
23:15So lots of points to be scored. Everybody in that division, as I just mentioned, is scoring more than they're giving up.
23:21Talk to me about Green Bay versus Detroit. What do you think about the spread, the Lions, and what are the keys to this game?
23:29More interesting game than I thought it was going to be a few weeks ago when the Packers got trucked by the Falcons on a Thursday night.
23:36And I pretty much thought it was wave the white flag time for the Packers in 2026.
23:41But since then, they've gotten back on their feet.
23:44The defense is actually playing well by a number of metrics.
23:47The Packers' pass defense has been just behind the Vikings and Seahawks on the short list of the better pass defenses in the league.
23:54Now they get Josh Jacobs back to potentially uplift a running game that currently ranks 32nd in DVOA.
23:59And I know the offensive line is ranked dead last in adjusted line yards, a run blocking metric.
24:05So maybe Jacobs helps that. And I think he gets probably a dozen or more carries right off the bat.
24:10Like he has not been allowed to practice with the team, but he has been allowed to be in the building, work
24:17out with the team, go to meetings. So he's probably going to come in pretty ready.
24:22You know, he's just a tough inside runner who's good at sometimes, you know, making he can do a lot with a
24:28little bit of space and he's not going to have more than a little bit of space with this offensive line.
24:34So I think he's the right guy for a bad offensive line.
24:38I think it's going to be a great game.
24:40I think the Vegas total on this is 53 and a half.
24:44If we are going to see pirate attack next, I'm looking forward to it.
24:48You got your scoring. Okay. Your scoring's in the Josh Jacobs situation, as far as on the field, on what he's going
24:54to be, I think it's been a really, like a really big discussion lining it over to the fantasy side, fantasy pros.
25:00He's already being ranked as like a top almost 15 running back for this week.
25:05So there's an expectation, Alfredo, that a lot of people think he's going to just jump right back into it.
25:11I'm kind of one of those. I think like, you know, he had been with the team in the preseason.
25:16He had rolled through. He knows the play. It's not like being traded to a new team.
25:21He just missed the weeks. I imagine he was training during that time.
25:25He had been around working out. So I think this is a situation you could also, if you want to speculate, you
25:32could say like, you know, the time might be short with, with him.
25:35There's more things that could happen. But bottom line is, is that like, I don't know what the narrative is, why they
25:42would baby him with how bad that running back core is.
25:45I kind of think that he's going like when he's out there, he's going to get touches.
25:50And I wouldn't be surprised if it's 15 plus and he's involved in the receiving game.
25:55But what do you think, Alfredo, about what Josh Jacobs usage looks like back with the Green Bay Packers and then how
26:01this game is going to play out? Yeah, I think the reason that they that they could and likely would, I don't
26:07want to say baby him, but ease him back into the offense is one.
26:11Like you mentioned there, it's the practice thing that he was fully practicing back in June.
26:16And then since then, he's been off the practice field and just having to train off on his own and train off on the side.
26:23That is so different from training on your own to being an actual football shape and being on the field and being
26:30able to take the hits and run over and over and over and over.
26:34Plus, this kind of game, too. Are we looking at a more pass heavy game script where Jacobs caught the ball well in college?
26:41We didn't we haven't it hasn't always been thought of as the receiving back here.
26:45And Pierre Strong was a guy who did well last week for them in the receiving game.
26:50So I think what the Packers also likely try to do here is say, OK, let's ramp him up little by little as we keep going.
26:58We're playing well enough now that we actually want to have Jacobs fresh and still good to go once we get closer to the NFL playoffs.
27:05It's funny, Pat, that you said 12 carries because I put the line yesterday at 12 and a half with Erickson on how many carries that he gets.
27:13And I think we're pretty much in lockstep. And whilst you said about 15 carries, like I think that's also very much
27:20on the table to like getting him anywhere from 12 to 15 carries, I think is probably the max at that 15.
27:26But I can't imagine them loading him with close to 20 plus touches and giving us the Josh Jacobs of old.
27:32Yeah, and I think I'm like in the 15 touch range.
27:35I will say, though, you were talking about June, though.
27:38He was put on the exemplus in August 30th and, you know, he did know this team.
27:43So like that's the unknown that we're dealing with with him.
27:46It's like that period of time that's missed. You're talking about shape like he was in NFL shape.
27:52He was in football shape. And then that had to be put on hold for what has been an extended period of time since August 30th.
27:59But has he been able to maintain that? And those are the questions that will be answered.
28:04I don't really know if it's going to play the biggest role in the Packers being able to win this game because
28:10they've done a great job of slinging the ball.
28:13You got two wide receivers that are, you know, from a fantasy rank perspective, they look like Jamar Chase and Tee Higgins.
28:20And what I mean by that is two wide receivers that are what?
28:23In the top 12. Marcus Golden is a top 10 guy this week.
28:27Christian Watson. They can sling the ball. And you're going to be able to sling the ball against Detroit.
28:33It's going to be a great firefight. I'm very much looking forward to this game.
28:37Next game up, Kansas City Chiefs and the Seattle Seahawks.
28:40Seahawks are a two and a half point home favorite.
28:4342 and a half is the line. So not a ton of points, not a bunch of points in this one.
28:49Alfredo, Seahawks, Sam Darnold looking a little bit of rough.
28:52Doesn't look like we're going to see Rasheed Rice again for Kansas City.
28:56So they're without just a tiny bit. Lack of points kind of just jumps out here.
29:00But do you think Kansas City can go into Seattle and make this a game?
29:05The Kansas City Kenneth Walkers can. Yeah, I think they'll have to make it a game.
29:09Revenge game. Yeah, man. Like that's and honestly, is it me or do you feel like Andy Reid is that kind of
29:16guy that he's putting a little extra focus on that this week for Ken Walker?
29:20Like he 100 percent, you know, they sit and have conversations and like he wants to support his players in having revenge narratives, which I love about him.
29:28And Andy Reid is every old guy that just bought a new car and he wants to go show all his friends.
29:34That's what Ken Walker. Ken Walker is a Ferrari that they've been driving around all season.
29:39And now he's going to go take it back over to the people that just said, like, now we don't want to buy that Ferrari.
29:46He's like, look at how awesome it is. He's Ken Walker.
29:50I mean, if he doesn't get 25 touches in this game, probably another two touchdown performance.
29:54I know it's crazy because it's against such a good defense, man.
29:58But being back in Seattle, I think we're going to see a lot of fun force feeding of Ken Walker here.
30:04And plus the Chiefs are coming right off a bye, if I'm not mistaken.
30:08Like they had a full extra week here to plan for this and and realize what life is like without some of their receivers.
30:15So, yeah, I do expect this to be a Ken Walker heavy game.
30:19The old old guy story is making me laugh.
30:21It's literally my grandfather many, many years ago. He'd been in retirement and his retirement car.
30:26He bought like a BMW like SUV. He was so proud of it.
30:30And he like made he made me drive it.
30:32He was like, get in. And we're driving it.
30:35And he's like, now punch it. And he wanted to drive fast and he wanted to show it off.
30:40That's 100 percent. Andy Reid. He is going to pedal to the metal with Ken Walker.
30:45I would expect we'll get one of those ridiculous 30 touch games.
30:49It's very funny. Fitzy, what do you think about this one?
30:52Revenge game with Ken Walker going back to Seattle.
30:54Seattle still a really tough defense. And Kansas City is still without some of those parts, though.
30:59So, again, Rashid Rice not practicing after like the bye week and last week.
31:03And, you know, having all of that, I don't have an expectation that he's going to play.
31:08So some of the receiving options are still just kind of banged up there.
31:12Which direction do you think this game is playing out?
31:15I feel like Seattle is going to take care of business at home.
31:19I could be wrong about that. The revenge game angle, as much as maybe there is a little incentive for Kenneth Walker.
31:25Seattle's run defense is really good. And you know Mike McDonald and the guys on that defense do not want to get trampled by Kenneth Walker coming back.
31:34So they're going to be pretty fired up, too.
31:36Sort of an interesting angle with the other running back situation.
31:39Seattle's with Zach Charbonnet coming back this week. It'll be interesting to see what kind of workload he handles.
31:45Kind of a cool angle, too, is Mike McDonald and Steve Spagnuolo.
31:48And I just heard an interview with Steve Spagnuolo on Sirius XM NFL Network where he was an intern for Mike McDonald
31:55was an intern for Steve Spagnuolo with the Ravens when Spags was their defensive coordinator in like 2013, 2014.
32:00And McDonald loves Spagnuolo, like big influence on him and his career, said that Spags could not have been nicer to him,
32:07told a story about how it was one of the bye weeks and Spags like McDonald had no plans to like leave
32:13the team and Spags handed him his credit card.
32:16He's like, go book yourself a flight home, kid.
32:18Like, go home. And so, yeah, that's just it'll be cool to see those guys defensively doing their thing.
32:24And I think this could be kind of a rock fight, actually.
32:27I think the defenses maybe carry the day in this one.
32:31So you like the you like the under if we were if we were tailing that.
32:35I think so. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think as much as they want, this game would try to be played on
32:42the ground, you know, until the Seahawks have to start getting into JSN, which will be, you know, often next game up here, Rams Raiders.
32:49This I think there's a lot of potential storylines floating around this one.
32:53The two and four Raiders going or two and four Rams going up against the three and three Raiders.
32:58The Rams are reeling. They can't keep this pace, especially the Dodgers of the football world are supposed to have all the defensive pieces.
33:05They're now out. Devontae Adams, who's going to be at a significant amount of time, don't have Ferguson.
33:10They really have a limited amount of pieces. They haven't leaned on especially like a Blake Corum.
33:15They've had the backs, but we haven't seen like the insane usage to both of those guys.
33:20And they're two and four at this point. Go against a Raiders team that I think on one hand is, you know,
33:27they've overperformed in a lot of spots. But on the other, there's still a lot of chatter around.
33:32You know, if if Cousins kind of brings this back down that we could see Mendoza here in the near future, even
33:38though they're a 500 team, they lose this game.
33:41Rams take it over. Or is there a chance we could see Mendoza in the future?
33:46That's a question we could ask Fitzy. Why don't you talk to us about the Rams and the Raiders?
33:51I think we're on Mendoza watch. We are on Mendoza watch.
33:54Yeah, they've they've lost three straight games. And I don't think there's any pretense about the Raiders being a playoff team this year.
34:01It's kind of a rebuild. So eventually they're going to want to audition Fernando Mendoza.
34:05And I think for the Raiders, this entire season is getting Fernando Mendoza ready for 2027, getting his feet wet, having him
34:12get accustomed to running Clint Kubiak's offense. That's what it's about for them.
34:15But yeah, the Rams are in a tight spot here.
34:18And I wonder if they just Sean McVay has been leaning into 13 personnel usage.
34:23I wouldn't be surprised if we saw the Rams use 13 personnel on more than half of their offensive snaps this week.
34:29And maybe we see some of Kanata Mumfield and Jordan Whittington and these young wide receivers.
34:34Or maybe they just totally lean into Tyler Higbee, Colby Parkinson, Davis Allen.
34:38And we see Rams tight ends combined for like 15 catches and 140 yards.
34:42Alfredo, these two teams are combining for five straight losses.
34:44The Raiders have lost three straight. The Rams have lost two straight.
34:48The Rams offense is going to look a little bit different.
34:51You worry about one dimensional and they just haven't found the pieces to cohesively get their offense rolling.
34:56Do you think they're going to be able to break?
34:59I mean, one of these teams is going to have to get a win, unfortunately.
35:04I guess like a tie. I shouldn't say that.
35:06But like one of these is going to break this.
35:09Are the Rams going to break this skid on the road against the Raiders?
35:13I mean, you'd have to think that the Rams can, especially against this Raiders secondary here.
35:18But I mean, we've seen a very inconsistent Matt Stafford, almost to the point that Rams fans who just earlier in the
35:24year were upset about the NFL draft and wanted Makai Lemon instead of Ty Simpson have been saying, is it Ty Simpson time?
35:31It's crazy. Guys like, really? We were we're just we're less than a year removed from him being crowned as NFL MVP.
35:37I think we let's just give the guy some time as well here.
35:41I mean, players go through slumps. Teams go through rough patches.
35:44Sean McVay is not throwing in the towel anytime soon.
35:47I think it would take another four or five losses for the Rams to be like, OK, let's get Ty Simpson some snaps.
35:54And even then, I just don't think at any point you're benching Matt Stafford with the way this team is built here.
36:00For the Raiders, man, I think everything's on the table at this point.
36:04They keep losing games. Not only is it Fernando Mendoza watch.
36:07I think you're on Mike Washington Jr. watch. You're on a little bit of everybody watch here.
36:12The Ashton Jintzy continues to go out there and just look really ineffective running the ball.
36:17I know the injuries have been piling up, and that's another thing where it's just kind of like, oh, well, everyone's playing hurt.
36:24Ashton's given his best. Well, at some point, do we just start to see more of these guys that are healthy and are producing?
36:31Interesting. Final game up here. We go to the east.
36:33The only division in all of the NFL where every single team is on a losing streak is the NFC East.
36:40Every single one of them are there are two losses.
36:42You know, their first losses for what was it?
36:45I just went away from it. It was the Commanders and Giants both lost.
36:49Eagles are on a four game losing streak. Cowboys are on a one game losing streak.
36:54Cowboys are going to Philly. They're a four and a half point road favorite.
36:5844 and a half is the line. We kind of set the stage a little bit for this.
37:03Obviously, Tanner McKee is going to be the quarterback.
37:06Looks like Saquon Barkley is lining up. Dallas is out for blood.
37:09Alfredo, talk to us about Dallas. I mean, obviously, someone's going to break this spot here, this bad losing streak.
37:15If the Cowboys win, they can jump the Eagles.
37:18There's only one team in this entire division, which there's another crazy one that's over 500, and that's the Giants.
37:23So there's no team. Neither one of these teams are going to be able to jump up and be a 500 team.
37:30But is Dallas going to be out for blood?
37:32And are the Eagles fans going to be in a really bad spot after Monday Night Football?
37:37Man, I think I'm one of the few people here that actually really believe in the Eagles in this game.
37:43This is sort of the very stoppable force meeting the also movable object, I guess, at this point.
37:48Jerry Jones has been talking about the Dallas Cowboys defense.
37:51We talked about this yesterday with Eric says, I can fix this.
37:55It's OK. Well, how many more players are you going to trade for?
37:59On paper, the Cowboys already have this defense that looks stacked, and they simply can't do anything with it.
38:04On offense, it's the same thing. And their biggest problem has been on offense.
38:08They have totally changed their identity from what they were last year.
38:12Yeah, they're still passing the ball plenty, but they're now last in run rate percentage with Javante Williams there.
38:17They've totally flip-flopped in how they're using motion, how they're using play action, going from under center to shotgun.
38:23They undid everything that was working for them last year.
38:26It's kind of like 22 Jump Street, if you've ever seen that, where they're like, oh, it's almost as if people believe
38:32if you just do the same thing again, it'll work.
38:35It's like, yeah, you actually can. Just do it again.
38:38It'll work. And they're just not. Well, the Eagles defense, they've had their ups and downs.
38:42They're a better defense than I think they're getting credit for right now as a team because of how much the team has struggled.
38:49If there's a game where I think the Eagles can get back on track, I do think it's this one against the Dallas Cowboys.
38:56I think I'm just going to say, I'm going to call for the upset here.
39:01Eagles win. Oh, baby. You got to save that for the make the big call.
39:05That's well, you have another really good one, but that's a good call to make there.
39:10You know, Fitzsie Bogman's kind of in this too.
39:12He was kind of touting McKee a little bit and him being with the team and knowing the offense.
39:18I feel like I'm a little bit more questionable there.
39:21But where do you sit on the Eagles making this a competitive game against Cowboys?
39:25I'm pretty questionable about McKee too. It's just that if it was the Eagles offensive line of old, I would feel better
39:32about it if there was, you know, Jason Kelsey up front and Lane Johnson were still playing and things were like they were a couple of years ago.
39:40So this is a much worse offensive line. So that's the side of the ball I'm anxious to see in sort of a perverse sort of way.
39:48Alfredo mentioned the resistible force versus the movable object.
39:50And that's kind of how it is the Philly offense against the Dallas defense.
39:54Although to the Cowboys credit, their defense did play well enough against the Packers on Sunday night to win that game if
40:01the Dallas offense had showed up, but it didn't.
40:03So I actually as bad as the Dallas defense has been, they might have a leg up against the Philly offense.
40:09And that's, I guess, where I'm not sure that Philly can win this, but I don't have immense confidence in Dallas either.
40:16So, man, we were show us the schedule on the eve of week one and circle this game.
40:21And we would be like, yeah, that's going to be a good one.
40:25And now it's like, now it's like, yeah, okay, let's see which of these teams has a pulse.
40:30Yeah. Well, I think the NFL is probably crying about this too.
40:33They were just like, well, all, you know, well-made plans looking at this and Tanner McKee is going to be the quarterback.
40:40But what do you guys think? You guys can drop comments below your picks for some of these big games and some
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41:38Let's make some calls for the week. Some big calls.
41:41Fitzy, you got to go bold or you got to go home.
41:44Give us your big call for the week. Man, as much as I want to believe in the J.J.
41:50McCarthy redemption story, I hate that he's going up against the Texans and the Texans are so due to play a good game defensively.
41:57I'm going to say J.J. McCarthy commits three turnovers against Houston.
42:00So he pulls a Jameis Winston. Basically, yeah. But maybe is he going to pull a Jameis Winston without the touchdowns?
42:06Because Jameis saves himself because he turns the ball over three or four times, but he's got three touchdowns.
42:12Is this going to be an empty Jameis game?
42:14I'm worried that it will be, yes. Alfredo, make a big call here.
42:18This one is very funny. Fitzy's going to laugh too because this was kind of – it's funny because you're filling in for Erickson.
42:25And it's kind of an Erickson one. But then when I called Erickson out on this on the rank show, he folded.
42:31But let's hear your big call for the week.
42:34Yeah, man. You said go bold or go home.
42:37I'm already at home, so I'm going bold. Bo Nix throwing two touchdowns against the Arizona Cardinals here.
42:42And I don't even feel like it's all that bold.
42:45I know Nix has been bad. I've been watching him and charting him and going through the film each week.
42:51But the Cardinals have allowed two or more touchdowns to quarterbacks in each of the last five weeks, including Jameis Winston, including Drew Locke.
42:58And you go and you look at the schedule for Bo Nix and who he's played.
43:02A lot of these teams are in the top five or top eight in fantasy points.
43:07The quarterback's allowed, meaning the least amount of points allowed to quarterbacks.
43:10And when Bo Nix just isn't going up against top five defense, he's streamable.
43:14I'm talking about in fantasy terms here. So Cardinals are allowing 21 fantasy points per game to quarterbacks.
43:20Bo Nix, on the fantasy side, he's my quarterback 17 this week.
43:23I think he's streamable if you need him. OK, that's what I was literally going to ask you.
43:28I was kind of hoping it would be a little bit more if it's he knows this because Erickson was talking up.
43:35He's kind of in the same vein where it was like this is also about Jalen Waddle because I'm so done with Jalen Waddle at this point.
43:43It's been just a whole bunch of nothing. But it was like, how can you be up on Waddle?
43:48And then we talk up Bo Nix and then Bo Nix is like QB 19 for the week.
43:5317. We're getting there. Do we think it to touchdown output is maybe a little bit closer to like a 15?
43:59Can I get you? Can I get you any higher, Alfredo?
44:03Sure, I can. I can be convinced to put him at quarterback 15.
44:06The problem for me with Bo Nix is we're not getting any of the rushing that we used to get.
44:12That ankle's still bothering him. So that's why I'm thinking maybe he throws two touchdowns here.
44:17But I don't know if he has the crazy boom performance that we've been waiting for.
44:22Can we put Alfredo on the spot? We did with Erickson and get Alfredo to promise us that Bo Nix looks like vintage John Elway on Sunday.
44:29Yes, exactly. How vintage? You mean the way he looks now because he's a vintage person or like?
44:35No, vintage early 80s John Elway. Yeah, no shot.
44:37No shot. Not doing it. I want Bo Nix if we had the graphic for it.
44:42Like the, you know, the yodeler in Price is Right where he's just going up and up and up.
44:47Like that's how I've been trying to push the rank of everybody talking about Bo Nix.
44:52I love it. All right. Mine is a bold one.
44:55Uh, I think that Cam Scadaboo is going to be thrown back into the driver's seat.
45:00And more than anything else, I think he's going to score a touchdown this week.
45:04It's bold only because he was a disappearing act last week.
45:07But I said this on a couple of shows.
45:10Because I actually think, and I could be completely wrong about this.
45:13I think Harbaugh is going to have respect for absolutely like whatever lies he wants to say that he threw Cam Scadaboo
45:20into the bus and they threw him in fumble jail and he was punished.
45:24You don't just accidentally forget about a guy like Cam Scadaboo for the team scheme.
45:28He was punished. But Cam Scadaboo took absolute accountability for it.
45:31He didn't cry. He didn't go on pardon my take and say how pissed off he is about John Harbaugh.
45:37He said he deserved it. And it was, he took accountability for it.
45:41I think John Harbaugh is going to give him the benefit of the doubt.
45:45And I think he's going to jump right back into it.
45:48And if this team, you know, if it's JJ McCarthy running around, hopefully not actually turning it over three or four times
45:55that Cam Scadaboo will be given opportunities again. Alfredo, you gave a pause here.
45:59Do you disagree? He gave a weird answer. He did.
46:02He did say that like I deserved it, but he also flat out said I was punished for what I did the
46:08week before, which is there's been a lot of weird verbiage in the past few weeks, but like players being punished, like
46:14Joe Brady kind of said a similar thing with James Cook.
46:17And like at some point there needs to be consequences.
46:20And there's been like this weird thing with running backs this year where they're just like, go to your room without any dinner.
46:27And then the running backs are all just like, well, I didn't eat, you know?
46:31And then next week they're back. I'm going to go tell mom.
46:35Yeah. Yeah. I mean, maybe that's the case. I just have a feeling that's actually a really good point is what's going
46:41to be more important, the accountability, or is he going to use a word that's going to piss Harbaugh back off again?
46:48I'm leaning on that. I think the accountability for it and saying like, that was my fault that Harbaugh is going to put him right back.
46:55I mean, they also cut Najee Harris when he tried to speak up, which by the way, don't say anything.
47:01I don't say any words, but I'm going to go with Cam Scadaboo back into the driver's seat, getting the primary RB
47:07role and score a touchdown this week against a Houston defense that is going to get better, but their defensive line has struggled this year.
47:15So this is a spot that they're going to be able to take advantage of.
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47:46One final thing to watch for the weekend. Fitzy, what do we need to be paying attention to for week seven?
47:53Green Bay Packers at Detroit Lions, Jordan Love and Jared Goff at the height of their powers, both playing magnificently this season.
47:59I think we are going to get the shootout.
48:02We were supposed to get last Sunday night with the Packers and Cowboys.
48:05We'll get it with Packers and Lions. I am.
48:08So 53 and a half. Got to say that it's going to get in play.
48:12Alfredo, what's one big thing you're watching for week seven?
48:15I'm so interested in Baker Mayfield potentially returning here for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
48:19Is he going to be good Baker by the time he gets back on the field?
48:24Or is he the one hand man that ends the Bucs season here?
48:28Because if you can't be able to throw the ball against the division opponent that's missing their two starting corners, then I
48:34don't know when you're going to be able to do it, man.
48:38And that's another team that if they lose again this week, I think they might just be calling it a season.
48:44Kind of a tricky one, too, because Emeka has the remember the fangled concussed foot.
48:48Yeah, the concussed foot. He's got a bunch. So we're not really sure where that's going to look.
48:53But if Baker comes back, that'll be big. Mine is a little bit Homer.
48:57I'm a 49ers fan. But I really think pay attention to the 49ers offense here without Mike Evans.
49:03And I want to throw this out to people, not just to talk about the Niners.
49:07But Mike Evans has completely opened up this offense to do something the 49ers have struggled with in many years.
49:13And that is converting consistent third downs and having wide open spots.
49:16They look unbeatable when he's out there because Purdy can go to Evans, check down to Kittle, go to Christian McCaffrey.
49:23It's a there are three pieces. There are three targets on the field at all times that are separating.
49:28When Mike Evans was off the field, the 49ers got back to some of the frustrating pieces I've seen them be in
49:34the past where they can't convert three and outs, throwing bad passes.
49:38The pass rushes in teams are being more aggressive.
49:41And if that is the case and Mike Evans is out, there might be a real I know we don't have letdown
49:47spots in the NFL like college football. This might be a letdown spot for the 49ers going to Atlanta and they've got a bye week next week.
49:55I'm very as a 49er personal fan. I'm very concerned about it because Mike Evans does a lot for this offense.
50:01They're going to get Christian Kirk back. But Brandon Cooks and Christian Kirk, this isn't 2020.
50:06That's not a really good piece here. So I worry the one dimensional side the 49ers could become and that could hurt
50:12some of the offensive pieces from a fantasy perspective.
50:15And they unfortunately might be going into a bye week with their first loss.
50:19But we'll have to watch that. But see how the 49ers run without Mike Evans.
50:23That's a big one. Whether it's Green Bay Detroit, whether it's what Baker Mayfield looks like or where the 49ers play without Mike Evans.
50:30Those are our things to watch. You guys can also drop in the comments below.
50:34What are you watching for this week? Thank you guys so much for hanging out with us for Alfredo Brown and Mr.
50:41Pat Fitzmaurice. I'm Chris Welsh. Thank you for hanging out with the tailgate.
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