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0:04Hey everybody, welcome to a Tuesday edition of the Insiders.
0:07Patrick Klebbon here in the newsroom with Tom Pellissero, our NFL Network Insider.
0:11And we are in missing woman formation because Judy Batista is there via remote.
0:15But Judy, one day we are going to effort you out here to be with us on the Insiders.
0:21The problem with travel is sometimes you're in the air like Tom was today and news breaks.
0:26And this was new today coming into the newsroom during Tom's travels.
0:29The NFL announced Tuesday it will not be a good day.
0:33Will not in fact be holding a supplemental draft this year means former Texas Tech quarterback Brendan Sorsby is ineligible to play in the league in 2026.
0:41Tom, it was a lengthy letter going out to Sorsby detailing some of the decision making.
0:45Some of that was very firmly worded as to why they made this decision.
0:49Patrick, this is a very complicated situation. Many ways it is an unprecedented situation, but the legal rationale is pretty straightforward.
0:56Under the collective bargaining agreement, the NFL has the sole authority to decide whether it's a whether to hold a supplemental draft in any given year.
1:03And based on a variety of different circumstances, the league felt it was not in their best interest to do so.
1:10There's a ton to unpack in terms of Sorsby who went away to handle a gambling addiction back in the spring, had a fight with the NCAA.
1:17He was ineligible. Then he was eligible. Dropped the lawsuit, ends up applying to the supplemental draft.
1:22Even if the NFL had time to unpack all of that and get the information that clubs need, they felt like it
1:29would create a lot of noise right before the start of training camps.
1:33It's their option. They decided not to go that direction.
1:36Of course, Patrick, you mentioned the very strong wording in that letter in part, essentially saying that the application from Sorsby and
1:42his representatives was insufficient and lacked evidence. Well, the office of his attorney, Jeffrey Kessler, released a lengthy statement a short time ago, basically firing back against that.
1:50We'll make you read every word that's on the screen right there.
1:54But basically saying, we gave you the opportunity. We asked, do you need any more information?
1:59The NFL said no. Therefore, they decided that they were in the clear.
2:03We're going to be able to move forward. It did not work out that direction.
2:07Kessler has been in consultation with the NFL PA, but it's my understanding the union has not decided how or even if
2:13there's legal justification to get involved in the Brennan Sorsby case.
2:17The other line in that letter from the NFL and Larry Ferrazani to Brennan Sorsby today that stuck out was the very last one.
2:24And it said in part that he can work toward the possible inclusion in the 2027 NFL draft.
2:29Here's my understanding on that piece. As it sits here right now, Brennan Sorsby is eligible.
2:34He is not banished. He doesn't need to go through some separate application process.
2:38Obviously, Judy, if there were some type of additional issue between now and April, that would, in many ways, handle itself and
2:44teams could draw their own evaluations on that. But as it stands right now, Brennan Sorsby is set to be eligible in
2:51a very, very talented quarterback class in 2027. Well, this letter that the NFL sent to Sorsby read very much like saying
2:57you cannot use the NFL as your get out of jail free card.
3:01They basically said you were ineligible in the NCAA and then you decided you were just going to go into the supplemental draft.
3:08You can't do that. You gave us only three days to review your case.
3:12Then they went deeply into the issue of gambling, saying you didn't show any accountability.
3:16You didn't show any contrition. You didn't indicate how you would make sure that this would not happen again, that you would
3:23not be caught gambling in the NFL. Well, don't forget the NFL has suspended players, Calvin Ridley, for gambling violations that were
3:29much less than what Sorsby did while he was in college betting on his own team.
3:34And so the NFL is basically saying you can't use us to get out of punishment that you should have served in the NCAA.
3:41What does this mean for Sorsby? Well, he's got a few options.
3:45Certainly they can pursue the legal route. They did that in college, so it certainly wouldn't be out of the norm for
3:51them to go to court and see if they can do something in court against the NFL.
3:56But the other option failing that is that he takes a year.
4:00Maybe he plays in Canada. He can't play in the NCAA.
4:03Maybe he plays in Canada. Maybe he just takes a year and gets ready on his own privately for the draft.
4:09And as you mentioned, the 2027 class is a loaded class at quarterback.
4:13That is what we expect. He would be one of them.
4:16This is not over, I don't think, for Sorsby.
4:19I certainly think there are going to be some machinations by Jeffrey Kessler to see if they can change the direction of this now, Patrick.
4:26Yeah, and we'll discuss some of those possible machinations coming up later on in our show.
4:31You mentioned the CFL, Judy. They're already in week four of the UFL.
4:35Congratulations to Louisville. They already celebrated their championship earlier this month, so the options are getting a little bit more limited.
4:41Let's get to a former top five pick that was drafted into the NFL.
4:45That is Kyle Pitts. Got some contract news for him today.
4:48This coming from NFL Network insider Ian Rappaport. They franchise tag Kyle Pitts earlier in the offseason.
4:53Now there's a three-year deal. Could be worth up to $54 million.
4:57The first two, according to Ian, $36 million fully guaranteed.
5:00If you go by percentage of average per year, the annual percentage average, you get Kyle Pitts at $18 million.
5:06And that's what things would work out if all three of those years happen.
5:10Also, congratulations going out to the Buffalo Bills. They cut the ribbon before the opening of the new Highmark Stadium right around
5:16three years after breaking ground on the facility that's across the street from the old stadium.
5:21The estimated price tag north of $2 billion. Congratulations to those in upstate New York.
5:26Bo Nix ended the Bills season and his own at the same time with that win in the divisional round as he
5:32fractured his right ankle in what would be the game-winning drive.
5:35Nick's one of a few quarterbacks rehabbing this offseason.
5:38Let's discuss those QBs with our Sarah Walsh joining us on the Insider.
5:42Sarah, a few marquee guys, marquee names in the AFC starting with Bo Nix.
5:46Yeah, and that clock is ticking. We'll start in Denver because that's where I am, where Bo Nix is.
5:51And, you know, he participated in that mandatory minicamp, not the team drills, the individual portion of which he was allowed.
5:58But if you want to take the temperature of how he's feeling, he joked about the fact that his only concern right
6:04now is that perhaps he's even more mobile than before because he said that ankle is as good as new.
6:10You mentioned when he got hurt against the Bills in the playoffs and then he had a second surgery in April.
6:16That was to deal with some bone spurs. But he is doing great.
6:20Sean Payton said his quarterback will clearly be ready.
6:23And by the way, Nix has never missed a regular season snap in his NFL career.
6:27Now, Nix is going to open the season on Monday Night Football against a division rival and against a quarterback who is
6:34also trying to make a comeback from season-ending surgery.
6:37That would be Patrick Mahomes, who tore his LCL and his ACL in Week 15.
6:41He had surgery on December 15th. Much like Nix, he was out there at mandatory minicamp, not fully participating but doing individual drills.
6:48And he said he tried to use that to his advantage, the fact that he can't be mobile right now.
6:54So he said it forces him to sit in the pocket to make his reads.
6:58Now, Andy Reid has said that he has absolutely attacked his rehab.
7:02But Reid also said that he will be able to do, quote, some things during training camp.
7:07And what that tells you is that they're going to obviously be very cautious with the man that they made the highest paid player in NFL history.
7:15Another quarterback that is trying to come back from season-ending injury and also got paid, that would be Daniel Jones, who got
7:21a two-year, $88 million deal in March. And that's in part because of how the Colts started last season.
7:27A tremendous start led by Jones. They started 7-1, and then things started to unravel.
7:31But it was Week 14 when he tore his Achilles.
7:34I was at that game against the Jags, and that was really the dagger in the Colts' season.
7:39And Jones out there participating during mandatory minicamp and the individual drills, he said what he's going to be working on from
7:46now until the time training camp starts, running faster, cutting harder, and progressing.
7:50But when he was asked if he's going to be ready to be the Week 1 starter, Tom Pellicero, he answered without hesitation.
7:56It was a one-word answer. He said absolutely. The question with quarterbacks coming off Achilles is just how effective are you going to be out of the gate?
8:05We've seen the likes of Aaron Rodgers and Kirk Cousins, where it can take months, if not an entire season, to get back to 100%.
8:12The difference is Daniel Jones is a younger guy.
8:15Everything that I've heard from that building is he's been unbelievable in terms of attacking his rehab.
8:20The time that he is spending on task here still remains to be seen again, Patrick.
8:24They'll be cautious here, but based upon what Daniel Jones was doing through the course of the spring, it'd be a surprise
8:31if he's not ready to roll Week 1. Yeah, incredible bounce back considering the volume of injuries he was dealing with.
8:37The volume of injuries a problem. As we go to the NFC, Sarah, for Jaden Daniels, elbow injury, a part of a
8:43season that was so bad, Jaden doesn't even want to talk about it, Sarah.
8:48Let's start with him and the NFC. Yeah, you can't blame him.
8:51Your two was not kind of Jaden Daniels, and you mentioned the elbow injury.
8:55There was multiple injuries that led him to miss 10 games, and then finally the commanders, you mentioned the dislocated elbow.
9:01They just shut him down for the final three games of the season.
9:05When I talked to Dan Quinn this offseason, he told me that Daniels is doing well, that he is healthy, that he's
9:12actually a much more vocal quarterback in expressing what he wants out of this offense.
9:16This is going to be a revamped commander's offense as they hope that Daniels can return to the brilliance.
9:22We saw his rookie season where things get really interesting.
9:25We know Daniels is going to be in charge.
9:27This is his team. Down south, that is not the same story.
9:31And what Michael Penix Jr. is dealing with as he's trying to work his way back from a torn ACL suffered in week 11.
9:38That is the third ACL tear he's had in seven years.
9:41So he knows what it's like to try to rehab and come back from that.
9:46He was in a great mood during their mandatory minicamp, said that he would be ready to go right now if only they would allow him.
9:53Obviously, they're going to be careful with him. But there's a little bit more pressure on him, right, to get back because they brought in Tua Tunga-Vailoa.
10:01So Penix could be fighting for his starting job there.
10:04And quarterbacks coaching Atlanta, Alex Van Pelt said, obviously, they're going to be asked all the time, who's your starter?
10:10He said they can't begin to start evaluating that until these quarterbacks are competing at the same level, which they haven't been doing yet.
10:17But you better believe of all the quarterbacks, Tom, that we just discussed, it's Penix Jr.
10:22that's in a little bit of a different situation when it comes to the pressure of trying to return.
10:27Also important to remember, Michael Penix Jr. was drafted by a prior regime.
10:31Everybody involved in that pick is now out of the building.
10:35Kevin Stefanski coming in, obviously Matt Ryan being a part of the decision-making process, along with their GM, Ian Cunningham.
10:40They bring in Tua on a minimum deal. The Dolphins are paying him the other $53 million that he has owed this season.
10:47We've seen Tua play at a pretty high level when he's been 100%.
10:51He played at a high level last year, despite his eye being partly swollen shut from that allergic reaction or whatever he had in Atlanta in that game.
10:59We've talked so much about Kyler Murray. What can he do for himself before he hits the market again in 2027?
11:05Don't overlook the possibility, Patrick. The Tua with the opportunity to get those reps on tape the whole offseason when Michael Penix Jr.
11:12was not able to, maybe he's given himself a little bit of a leg up, at least entering camp.
11:18Yeah, and we saw why Michael Penix Jr. probably pushing to get some of those 11-on-11 reps as Tua comes closer and closer to taking that job.
11:26An update on quarterback injuries with our very own Sarah Walsh.
11:29Thank you, Sarah. Let's go to the Jets, where the Davie, Florida Police Department said this week battery accusations levied against Jets
11:36quarterback Geno Smith were not an active case. But today they have announced the situation is under investigation.
11:41Smith has neither been arrested or charged. A meeting of the tight end minds.
11:45Tight end you in the second half of its first decade.
11:48We'll hear from founding member George Kittle coming up later on on this edition of the Insiders.
11:53And Christian Watson bounced back to have an explosive return from injury.
11:57So what does a start look like when he doesn't have to do all that?
12:01He tells us when we come back on the inside.
12:04Shotgun snap to Lovey, bobbles for a moment. Now lofts it right side of the end zone.
12:09Watson leaping grab. Oh, sensational touchdown catch. It's Christian Watson.
12:12My oh. They beat Corey Black. And Christian Watson used every bit of his 6'4 frame to go up and grab that one.
12:19All right. What a bounce back season for Christian Watson.
12:22Just nine months after having ACL surgery. He's back.
12:24He's back on the Insiders. Thanks for spending time with us, Christian.
12:28A lot of changes going on in Green Bay.
12:31How's your offseason been? It's been real smooth. Obviously, you know, a blessing to be able to have a normal offseason this
12:37offseason, not, you know, rehabbing or doing anything crazy.
12:40So just, you know, grateful to just have a smooth and, you know, normal offseason.
12:44It's been really good though. Obviously, you came back and played last year following the knee injury, but you've had a smooth offseason.
12:51You've had a healthy offseason. How much different does your body feel right now than it did even when you were playing at the end of last season?
12:59Just a whole lot better for sure. I mean, obviously, you know, you know, it seems like, you know, obviously not having
13:06done, you know, football for nine months and everything.
13:08It seems like, you know, you'd be feeling, you know, pretty good.
13:12But, you know, obviously just the amount of work and everything that you have to put in, you know, legs were feeling
13:18heavy, you know, my first game back, you know, and everything.
13:22So, you know, definitely feeling a lot better. You know, obviously, I've gotten, you know, able to recover the body, you know, to a really good point.
13:30And, you know, obviously just, you know, just focused on, you know, football specific stuff now throughout this offseason.
13:35And, you know, I'm feeling feeling really, really good.
13:38As far as the team, Christian, because you've always had that continuity at the top with Coach LaFleur.
13:43But the changes in the wide receiver room, is this the biggest amount of change you've experienced since your arrival in Green Bay?
13:50Yeah, it definitely is. You know, I wouldn't say that, you know, it's too, too big of a change.
13:55And I mean, it definitely, you know, isn't, you know, for me specifically, you know, it haven't been, you know, a coach
14:02that I have, you know, been coached by in the past, you know, in college.
14:06But, yeah, no, it's definitely, you know, different. You know, the whole, the wide receiver room as a whole, you know, with
14:13the guys that have left, you know, the coaching obviously is similar.
14:16But, you know, the wide receiver room is definitely different.
14:19But, you know, I think that, you know, it'll be different in good ways as well.
14:24So I'm excited to, I'm excited to see where our room goes this year.
14:28What should we expect from this wide receiver group?
14:31You've obviously seen some glimpses during the offseason work.
14:33What should we be looking for when the season starts?
14:36Just an explosive and dynamic room. You know, I think that, you know, obviously, you know, we have, you know, me and
14:43Jay Reed who have, you know, played, you know, a significant amount of snaps, you know, with the Packers.
14:48You know, obviously, I feel like, you know, everyone knows what to expect from us.
14:53You know, obviously, you know, we're going to make plays when our number is called.
14:57And then you have guys like, you know, Matthew Golden who are, you know, coming, he's coming into his second year.
15:04You know, I don't think that we saw, you know, a fraction of what he's capable of, you know, last year.
15:10I think, you know, the more opportunities he gets, the more, you know, the world's going to know exactly who he is.
15:16So, you know, I'm excited for that. You know, obviously, and, you know, beyond, you know, even MG, we have a deep
15:23room of a bunch of guys who can make plays, you know, Bo Mellon, Savion.
15:27You know, I feel like we're going to have a really solid group this year for sure.
15:32And, of course, another season of Jordan Love. As you guys have been able to grow and mature together, what has Jordan added to his game?
15:40Where do you think you've seen the most improvement?
15:42Honestly, I just feel like he just finds a way to, you know, get better at the things that, you know, he's already been great at.
15:50You know, I think that, you know, his, you know, consistency, you know, is, you know, somehow finding, you know, ways to get even better.
15:57You know, I feel like he's always been kind of the anchor of the offense in terms of, you know, his poise and his consistency.
16:05You know, since he's got the starting job, he just finds ways to continue to build on that even more.
16:11You know, his, I think that his biggest strength is just bringing the guys around him along.
16:16You know, I feel like we all just kind of, you know, lean on his energy, lean on his vibe.
16:22And he kind of just brings, you know, everybody else up with him.
16:25I think that's definitely his biggest strong suit. And I feel like, you know, we've gotten a lot better in this offseason because of it.
16:33You know, the Packers were rolling early last season.
16:35And then obviously at the end, Micah gets hurt.
16:38It slides. It ends in a devastating way. All of those losses in a row.
16:42How much, even with time having passed, how much does that fuel the team going into next season?
16:48I mean, it's definitely, it's definitely fueling us 100%.
16:50I mean, obviously, you know, we'd like to, you know, move on from those things, but I mean, you know, it's hard
16:57to move on from, you know, the reason, you know, behind losing those games.
17:01And I mean, I think it really just comes down to not being able to finish, you know, in crucial, you know,
17:08moments, you know, in crucial games, just not being able to finish.
17:11So I think that, you know, that's been a huge staple for us in terms of our mindset throughout this offseason of
17:18just, you know, consistently, you know, finishing, finishing everything, finishing every drill, every practice, you know, every play.
17:23You know, we've got to be able to, you know, build on that and carry that into this training camp and, you
17:29know, start the season that way so we can finish it that way.
17:33I think, you know, finish is a big emphasis for us this year.
17:37Well, coming back and finishing rehab, you've certainly set the path.
17:40Hopefully Tucker and Micah will be able to recover and return as well as you did.
17:45And Christian, we're also looking forward to your camp in your hometown coming up later this month.
17:50What can you tell us? Yeah, no, just excited.
17:53I'm excited. This is, you know, the first time that I'm, you know, I'm holding a camp in Tampa.
17:58So, you know, I'm excited to just, you know, be able to put something on at home.
18:03You know, obviously I want to, I want to be involved in my community as much as I can.
18:09You know, obviously it hasn't, you know, worked out in past years, you know, just with, you know, injuries, rehab and, you
18:15know, just stuff I've been doing that way. But, you know, just excited to get involved with the community a little bit,
18:22you know, throw something, you know, for the kids, let the kids run around, have a good time.
18:27And, you know, just, just get more involved. You know, I think that it's, that's going to be a big part of,
18:34you know, my life outside the field. You know, going forward is going to be, you know, the impact that I can
18:40have on my community and my hometown. So I'm excited to, to get it done this weekend, you know, Saturday at 10
18:47o'clock, you know, have a hundred kids running around and having a good time at playing high school in Tampa, Florida.
18:53Love that. And love that it's open for all ages, between six and 12 boys and girls.
18:58Christian, thanks for giving back to the community. And thanks for spending time with us here on the Insiders.
19:03Thanks, man. Thank you for having me. This is what's new today coming into the NFL LA newsroom.
19:09Kyle Pitts gets a new deal. It's three years worth up to $54 million.
19:1336 of those first two years are fully guaranteed.
19:15Congratulations to Kyle Pitts. And in a letter today to former Cincinnati and Texas Tech quarterback Brendan Soresby, NFL representative said Soresby's
19:22litigation efforts against the NCAA to avoid sanctions don't provide a basis for the league to have a supplemental draft.
19:28And as he was the only player seeking entry in a supplemental draft, there will be no supplemental draft.
19:33We're back here with our NFL Network Insiders, Tom Palacero and Judy Batista.
19:37Tom, so I guess the only draft he can look forward to is in 2027.
19:42And this was how it was supposed to play out when Brendan Soresby was going to play at Texas Tech this year.
19:48He factored in as one of the key figures in what NFL executives have anticipated being one of the most talented quarterback
19:55drafts we have had in recent NFL history. Arch Manning, highly regarded as a top prospect, of course, from the Manning family there at Texas.
20:02Dante Moore, if he had come out of Oregon in this past draft, I talked to scouts and coaches who would have
20:08had him rated pretty close to Fernando Mendoza, maybe even being the number one pick.
20:13You got Jaden Maiava, you got Julian Sane, you got other big names in this draft as well, like Trinidad Shabalos at Ole Miss.
20:20Brendan Soresby has all the ability, the talent. It's a matter of how do you develop him?
20:25How do you get him ready to play in an NFL offense?
20:28Teams were scrambling a little bit. They've done a lot of homework, Judy.
20:32Last fall, in anticipation, he might have come out in the 2026 draft.
20:36Now, a little bit more time in terms of the evaluation, even if there is no more tape to evaluate before next day.
20:43Well, we've likely got quite a few more steps before we can turn our attention to the 2027 draft.
20:48Jeffrey Kessler, who is the super lawyer who is representing Soresby in this case, who has been a thorn in the side of the NFL over the years.
20:57He has negotiated CBAs on behalf of the NFL.
20:59PA came out and said that this decision was a violation of the CBA and that they would take the case to the NFL PA.
21:07Okay. Soresby is not a member of the NFL PA yet because he hasn't been drafted and he hasn't signed a free agent contract.
21:14So he is not covered under the CBA. The question is, would the NFL PA step up on his behalf and challenge this decision by the NFL?
21:22Let's be clear, though. The NFL has asserted the authority.
21:25They changed their own personal conduct policy a couple of years ago to assert the authority to discipline players for infractions they committed in college.
21:32They reserve the right to do that. We will see how it plays out.
21:36But certainly there are a number of steps before we can turn our attention to the 2027 draft and Soresby.
21:42Yeah. And as you mentioned, Judy, the history of Jeffrey Kessler and the NFL's litigation, so long and storied that we don't
21:49even use the gate suffix anymore, part of multiple gates, the bounty gate, the flake gate.
21:53And this one, thankfully, has no gate attached. And we're not going yet to do that.
21:58Oh, no. Let's get to Campbell. There's no gate involved here.
22:01This is the Wolf of Ball Street as Campbell joins us on the insiders.
22:05We're looking towards some guys who really broke out during the spring.
22:09Who can achieve superstar status based on your reporting coming up this offseason, Cam?
22:13Patrick, let's start the Wolf of Ball Street in Jacksonville, where there's been a lot of talk of wide receiver usage.
22:19But the two best players I've been told by multiple people on the staff in minicamp in the spring, Brian Thomas Jr.
22:26and Parker Washington. Those are my two guys to watch.
22:29This is a Jaguars offense that was really good over the second half of the year.
22:33They could be even better in year two under Liam Cohen.
22:37Brian Thomas had a disappointing second season. I'm told that he really has come back on this spring, really focusing on the mental element.
22:44Trevor Lawrence has talked about how they were off chemistry a lot last season.
22:48A huge step being made in there. One source told me night and day, look for Brian Thomas to be used a
22:54lot down the field on vertical routes. They think that's where he can really take that next step.
23:00The other guy I mentioned, Parker Washington. He was a revelation late in the season as a playmaking guy open in space.
23:06Continue to expect his usage there. He's had a great spring, too.
23:10And he's going to be a guy that's going to be hard to take off the field for this Jacksonville offense.
23:16And look, they're going to do a lot of sub packages with two tight ends and different reps.
23:21Travis Hunter is still going to get some time.
23:24Jacoby Meyer is still going to get some time.
23:26But don't be surprised if Brian Thomas Jr. and Parker Washington are two leading receivers in Jacksonville.
23:31Next, let's go to Philadelphia, where Rick Woolen is my pick here.
23:35He has had a splashy spring, getting his hands on the ball, a lot of pass breakups, and what has been described
23:41to me as a dominant spring for the defense in Philly.
23:45And they've been waiting for that cornerback to fill in opposite Quinion Mitchell and Cooper Dejean into Rick Woolen, who had already
23:51had a productive 25 season, but had to answer some questions about off-field stuff, some maturity.
23:56He has an opportunity to have a big, big season and set himself up in free agency.
24:01I had one coach ask me, how did we get this guy for $12 million after the spring he has?
24:07Picture him in that secondary with Q and Cooper Dejean.
24:10This could be the best cornerback trio in the NFL.
24:13And finally, let's go to another cornerback in Cincinnati in DJ Turner, a guy who really stood out as the number one
24:19corner last year in his first opportunity to the big role.
24:22He's also having a strong spring. He's in the final year of his contract.
24:26He could have chose to sit out workouts, but he wanted to come and take his game to the next level.
24:33And he's got a really good position coach in Charlie Burke that wants him to evolve into one of the elite top five corners in football.
24:40How does he get there? He's got to elevate that defense with him.
24:44He's got to help change how we talk about the Bengals' defense.
24:48I've mentioned them all offseason as a Super Bowl contender.
24:51If the defense can be at least average, DJ Turner's coming off a year where he had a lot of one-on-one coverage, shadowing receivers, doing it excellent.
24:59Can he do that again in a wide-open AFC North and help the Bengals be that Super Bowl contender that Joe Burrow believes they are?
25:06Keep an eye on guys that are poised for breakouts.
25:09It's Cam Wolfe. It is our Wolf of Ball Street spending time with us here on The Insiders.
25:14Thank you, Cam. One of those defenses he mentioned, the Philadelphia Eagles.
25:18They got a huge addition. Jonathan Grenard, he compares and contrasts Vic Fangio and Brian Flores in an interview with me and
25:24Judy Batista coming up next on The Inside. Let's look at some of the recent contract extensions for some of the best defensive linemen in the NFL.
25:32Three of these guys have something in common. Will Anderson Jr.
25:35started his career in Houston with Jonathan Grenard. Jordan Davis is a new teammate of Jonathan Grenard, and Jonathan Grenard is now on our show.
25:43He has something in common with JG because he's Jonathan Grenard.
25:46He's on The Insiders, the new Philadelphia Eagle. Thanks for spending time with us.
25:50Congratulations on the deal, on the trade. I say new Eagle.
25:53Does it still feel new even this far after the trade and you arriving in Philadelphia?
25:58Yeah, man. Football is football, but every time you get to go play for a franchise like this, man, it definitely gets you more excited.
26:05Obviously, you get a chance to continue to climb that ladder as an NFL player to get to that ultimate ring.
26:12But, man, I'm blessed. I'm just glad to be able to be playing again my love as a kid and not for an organization like this.
26:19You obviously ended last season with an injury. I know you did some individual work this offseason.
26:24You didn't do the team stuff. How's the shoulder feeling, and where do you think you're going to be by the time training camp opens?
26:32Yeah, shoulder's good. They just took some precautionary stuff, you know, back when during OTAs and I didn't need to be doing all the extra fire stuff.
26:40But I could if I need to. But, shoot, I'm ready to go whenever it's time to strap the helmet up.
26:46And looking back to last, the way things ended and the trade process and navigating all of that, when you finally found
26:52out that you were going to be an Eagle, I heard that you had to make a quick trip to the airport to even make it all possible.
27:01But what was that process like for you? Yeah, it was crazy.
27:04Once it all went through, I got the call from Howie and realized that, hey, it's really real.
27:09How is the Florida guy as well? So definitely that was some mutual friendships in that aspect.
27:14But, yeah, I had to get on a quick flight.
27:17I literally was taking a nap with my wife.
27:20Now I'm about to be five months old son.
27:23And I literally had to jet an hour and some change to the airport to catch a flight.
27:28And I was going to leave in about an hour and 30 minutes.
27:32You know what I mean? So I literally had to run through there.
27:36Somehow I was able to get through there. But, you know, what's for me is for me, man.
27:41And I knew that me making that flight, I knew I was in the right spot.
27:46You've talked about how excited you are to play with Jalen Carter and Jordan Davis.
27:50Like, what do you envision that that's going to be like when you're on the field with those guys?
27:56Yeah, man, it's going to be a disruption. I think those two guys can destroy and take over a game at any
28:02point in time, just knowing that they're physical traits.
28:05But, you know, just being around the guys so far in OTAs, man, it's just been pretty cool just to get a
28:11feel for how they are as human beings outside of football.
28:14And they're great guys. I mean, J.D. is already, you know who you're going to get.
28:19He's going to bring the energy every single day.
28:22But humbleness about him as well. J.C. is that quiet type of, you know, he can easily turn it on at any point in time.
28:29But those two together, man, they just feed off each other.
28:32And I told those guys, I'm going to just feed off of y'all and just add what y'all have already built here.
28:39So, having those two guys there to obviously hold it down.
28:42And obviously guys like Moe Jomo as well, he's going to be doing his thing.
28:47So, I'm excited just in totality for our D-line to disrupt some games and win some games for us.
28:52Jonathan, looking back at your career, you've been under some great defensive minds.
28:56Can you kind of compare and contrast these last two between Brian Flores and now Vic Fangio?
29:01Yeah. I mean, they're two masterminds of just trying to have the pin last when it comes to defensive play calling.
29:07They're going to try to take away your best option out the way every time.
29:12Make you beat us in a different variety of ways.
29:15While also still keeping it straight up to make sure we can just, hey, play line up and play football as well.
29:21So, having a D.C. like him now, you can kind of already understand how he wants to take over games and how to trick with the opponents.
29:29He loves to put guys in good positions that have better matchups against certain guys, similar to Flo as well.
29:35Flo, he's going to send it however many ways he possibly can.
29:38Same with Vic. I just think it's pretty cool to kind of see how they both model their games, you know, to
29:45their respected, you know, mentors or guys that model their schemes off of.
29:49But to have both of those guys, you know, know how to use their guys and have done it at a high level for a long time.
29:57And I'm definitely excited to be able to be a part of this team for sure.
30:01I wonder what your initial interactions have been with Nick Sirianni because he comes across as intense, at least from the outside.
30:08Pretty intense guy. Pretty excitable. What have you gleaned from being around him these first few months?
30:13Yeah. You know, one thing I can respect the most is when we, when I first met him, he doesn't like to blow smoke on people's ass.
30:21Excuse me. I don't know if he blows a cussler.
30:24But he's just not one of those guys. I mean, he's going to give it to you straight up.
30:29He's just going to demand the best out of every single person in that building.
30:34Nothing goes unnoticed. They're always watching everything, evaluating everything.
30:36He's very intense. I mean, I've seen him just from the outside looking in and I'm like, yeah, I mean, I love
30:43to play for a guy like that. I mean, because if he's like that already, he's going to be passionate about you
30:49when you step between those white lines. So every coach that knows me knows that.
30:54Listen, when I'm bought all into the coaches, man, I run through a brick wall for him.
30:59So definitely looking forward to building that. And I've kind of already started doing that in our little short time period in OTAs.
31:06But man, it's going to be another great season.
31:08I mean, he's a great coach in the work, speaks for us.
31:12And Jonathan, I think the people in the region are completely fine with that level of swearing.
31:17It's going to be fine as you ingratiate yourself to the community.
31:20But you got a chance coming up here on the 26th to get back home with your third annual 7-on-7 camp.
31:27Can you tell us what we're looking forward to?
31:29Yeah, man. I have it. Obviously, it's only my third year, but I started out of my former high school, my alma
31:36mater, and pretty much just kind of growing it that way.
31:39Each year, whoever wins the tournament, they get to host it at their school for a grand prize of $5,000 to the winner.
31:46Each year could go up and go down just based off of how we want to set it up.
31:51But, I mean, each year has been pretty good, and we continue to get the same participation from coaches.
31:57The community loves it. It gives guys that, you know, whether you're playing a 5-8 school, you know how Georgia is, and it might be 8-8.
32:05Whether it's those classifications, got guys in 5-8 and smaller schools like that, they get a chance to play with guys that
32:11are going to be future, you know, all-Americans, future first-round draft picks potentially, you know.
32:15Creekside, Douglas County, and Langston Hughes, Southwest Decap, Wilco coming out of Macon, and, of course, my high school, Hiram.
32:21And those are really a good variety of teams.
32:24You've got teams that have won the state championship in Creekside last year, and guys are trying to get to the playoffs,
32:30or at least just trying to get their guys to be like, hey, listen, if you want to play at a high
32:37level, these are the guys you're going to have to play against.
32:40And I love the competition. Love the exposure for the guys.
32:44It's a great time. We have food out there, music, you know, trees.
32:48So it's like an event we're going to continue to grow every year, but it definitely want to make it like a
32:54family-type environment to where guys, you know, have their families come out and see them play.
32:59And it's right before the dead week they have in high school to where they can't do anything.
33:04So it's pretty much a good segue to get them a little break afterwards where it's kind of lighthearted while still competing.
33:11Yeah, a chance to play with and against the best and a chance to learn from the best as well.
33:16Jonathan Grunard, thanks for spending time with us here on The Insiders.
33:20Good luck to you and the Eagles here in 2026.
33:23Appreciate y'all, man. Have a good one. It's time for Ranks for Nothing with Adam Rank back here with us in studio.
33:29Hey, man. Oh, it's so great to be back in studio with you.
33:33I love it. I'm sorry. I'm wearing a tie.
33:36I know it wasn't supposed to. But you know what?
33:39The time is now to take a look back at some of the things that we learned over the long holiday weekend.
33:45And at number five, Joe Burrow is back. And I think we can all agree that the NFL is better when Joe
33:52Burrow is healthy and ready to go. And recently he told reporters, you go back and watch what I've said before.
33:582019 season at LSU. I feel very similarly about this team.
34:01The only difference being is that my LSU team spent way more on defense than the Bengals.
34:06You go. Yeah. I got it. They did. They would have signed Trey Hendrickson.
34:10All right, let's move on to number four. Number four, Steelers getting used to Mike McCarthy.
34:15That's right. The Steelers conducted off-season workouts with first-year head coach Mike McCarthy.
34:19And while there are some similarities to Mike Tomlin, I don't want to say two.
34:23Two. Right. Two. The shirt meme again. There's no similarities at all.
34:27None? No. Not a little bit? Even the weird AI Mike McCarthy looks nothing like that guy.
34:32All right. Fine, fine, fine. You're right. Back to the shirt meme.
34:35Ah, but the Mike McCarthy tenure in Pittsburgh is a lot like those reality TV DIY shows like Bar Rescue.
34:41Now you have to imagine Mike McCarthy rolling in like John Taffer, yelling at people, removing benches and parking spots, making somebody cry.
34:48And instead of sticking with a concept that made the franchise what it was, he's now trying to shoehorn in another concept
34:55with his own quarterback, like that celebrity chef who comes in and it's failed in other markets.
35:00And you know what? Listen, he had that quarterback back when he was young and actually cared about football.
35:05Those days are over. What you should have done is knock this thing down to the studs, cranked up Renegade on the jukebox and tried something different.
35:13Instead, we're going to get another miserable season from the Steelers and a post-credits scene that says Mike McCarthy was fired after one year with the Pittsburgh Steelers.
35:21Or maybe not. Number three, Brandon Ayuk stays on the offensive.
35:25Speaking of life imitating art. Yeah, I'm calling Bar Rescue art.
35:28It is art. It is art. It is art magic.
35:31Brandon Ayuk continues to take a page out of the Larry David playbook, trying to get fired from the 49ers.
35:37Let me see if I get this straight. A team that is a legitimate playoff contender year in, year out, and he's
35:43looking to get traded to the Commanders. A team that has had as many name changes as playoff appearances over the last decade.
35:50Got it. I get it. I get it. I get it.
35:53Jaden Daniels is good. You both played in Arizona State.
35:56But still, it's something to behold. But if you really want to do this, you got to match the energy of George Costanza.
36:03Maybe run around San Francisco in one of Joe Montana's historic jerseys.
36:06Maybe drag one of the Lombardi trophies. Through the parking lot there or whatever.
36:11But just whatever you do, remember, pools can be very cold.
36:14That's all I'm saying. Yeah. It was in a pool.
36:17Anyways, I do like that for fantasy. And speaking of fantasy, Kyle Pitts has been extended.
36:21That's right. Kyle Pitts is signing an extension with the Atlanta Falcons, which means you're going to listen to me for the
36:28next two months telling you to draft Kyle Pitts on your fantasy deep.
36:32How can you not look at what Kevin Stefanski did for David Njoku, Harold Fannin Jr., and not be excited?
36:38I love talking about Kyle Pitts every single year.
36:40But eventually it gets to the point of Friends references where it's like the one where the show was funny.
36:46At a certain point, the people know you wanted to draft Kyle Pitts, right?
36:50They firmly understand that at this point. But some people might want to pivot.
36:54Okay. Never. Okay. Anyways, NFL players. Number one. NFL players like free stuff.
36:58Yes. Cam Curl says it's crazy that he has to pay full price for World Cup tickets.
37:03By the way, have you ever tried to pay for a Super Bowl ticket, Cam?
37:08Anyways, but you're still Cam Curl. Great player, but you're not Patrick Mahomes.
37:12And even then, we got a glance at just how huge football is, or sorry, American soccer is this week when Cape
37:18Verde goalkeeper Verzina went from 56,000 followers on Instagram to more than 13 million after he made a bunch of saves against Spain.
37:25And that's more than Mahomes. That's more than Travis Kelsey.
37:28That's more than Taylor Swift. No, it's not Taylor Swift.
37:31That's right. Listen, you're Cam Curl, though. Realize, like, you would be surprised that the celebrities were hitting me up for World Cup.
37:37This guy's been hitting me up. Oh, wow. Seriously.
37:40This guy just recently slid in my knees. That's a very famous person hitting up Adam Rank.
37:45Thanks, Rank, for Ranks for Nothing. Back for another year of tight ends gathering for a meeting of the minds and technique at Tight End U.
37:53George Kittle sharing not one, but two of his quarterbacks this year, Brock Purdy and Matt Jones.
37:58He also shared his time with ESPN's Lindsay Theory.
38:00George, you're six of Tight End University. Could you have ever believed it turned into an event this big?
38:06No, I was just trying to get Greg Olson to come, like, teach me some tricks of the trade.
38:12And then it turned into something that continued to grow and grow and grow.
38:16And, I mean, really just a shout out to all the guys who just want to continue to come back.
38:22And now, hey, we're in Vanderbilt's brand new stadium, which is beautiful.
38:25We have fans in the crowd. We have sponsors on the field.
38:29And we're going to have some fun today. I'll tell you that much.
38:33Big, meaning, yeah, 90 guys. Current and former on the field.
38:362,500 fans in the stands. It's pretty cool. What is it that you guys want to kind of get across to some
38:42of these younger players who come out here to learn from you?
38:46Well, you know what was fun? This year we had Tony Gonzalez was up.
38:50He talked. Kyle Juszczyk, because of the fullback position.
38:53A lot of tight ends are playing it now.
38:55And then my old tight ends coach, John Embry, who's been coaching the NFL for like 25 years, coach Tony Gonzalez and myself.
39:02So he's pretty good. And so all I want for these young guys to like take like one thing, anything that you
39:08learn, maybe from Tony Gonzalez's mindset, maybe from Travis talking about the top of his router, me talking about my mindset when I am doing a run play.
39:17It's just like take one thing and just add that to your skill set so it gives you a better chance to become a good player.
39:24You guys are all competitors, obviously. We are. You play against each other a lot of days of the week now.
39:31We do. What made you want to help guys who play for other teams?
39:35Well, like at the end of the day, it's I'm not we're not really like sharing any secrets of like our offenses or tendencies and stuff like that.
39:43Like it's like, all right, what I want to help guys because I want the tight end position to continue to grow.
39:49And I think in the last several years, you've seen more tight ends go to the 12 personnel with two tight ends
39:56and the 13 personnel like the Rams with three tight ends and have a ton of success with it because every time
40:02you have a really good tight end on your roster, you have a great team.
40:07And when you have multiple good tight ends on your roster, you have a playoff team.
40:12So we're just trying to continue to build this position up, make guys help them earn a ton of money and just build us up.
40:1949ers off season. Kyle Shanahan called it an early one, called it a quick one.
40:23Yeah. How awesome was that? You have to tell me how awesome was that?
40:27Thank you, Kyle Shanahan. For you coming off the Achilles injury.
40:31Can you tell us where you are in your recovery?
40:34And are you eyeing a week one return? I am definitely, I'm trying, you know, they, my surgeon, Dr.
40:39Elitros has told me since the start, he goes, if you take it, do everything the right way, you have a chance.
40:46And so I still have a chance. I've had no setbacks.
40:49We're having a good time so far. I mean, I was running this morning.
40:53I do my rehab already this morning. Feels great.
40:56And we're just going to just take it one day at a time.
41:00That's all it is. Injury riddled season for you guys last year.
41:03Let's not do that again. How do you bounce back from that?
41:07Let's keep everybody healthy and just, just stay safe out there, boys.
41:10We can do it. And then George, when you look at the NFC West, you have the Super Bowl champion Seahawks.
41:16You have the Rams who just added a two-time defensive player of the year.
41:20And they still have Matt Stafford. And they still have Matthew Stafford.
41:24He's pretty good. He's pretty good. When you look at the division, what kind of work do you guys have cut out for you?
41:31Oh, I mean, I feel like we've been in one of the toughest divisions for the last five years.
41:37I mean, the Seahawks are always good. They have incredible home field advantage.
41:40The Rams are always super talented. Sean McVay is a genius up there, over there.
41:45He's so good. And we're always talented and super gritty.
41:48And so that's all we have to do is just take advantage of the plays that we have in front of us,
41:54stay as healthy as we can, and just enjoy ourselves.
41:57Have fun out there. Football's a lot easier when you're having fun.
42:01And final one, the season opener is Down Under in Australia.
42:04Yes. How much are you looking forward to, and will you travel to that game?
42:08If I'm playing, I'll be there. Actually, I mean, I'm probably a couple weeks from that conversation.
42:13So I want to be in Melbourne. I can't wait for it.
42:17I've never been to Australia. It's going to be a great time.
42:21I don't know, 15 hours is a great, you know, for your body.
42:24But I do know the experience will be one of a kind.
42:28And I'm going to take full advantage of that.
42:31George, thanks for the time. Enjoy today. You guys enjoy Tide and You.
42:34It's going to be a blast. We will. Thank you.
42:37Well, and I certainly enjoyed Tide and You today.
42:40That's Kyle Pitts going through the gravity drop machine, which is more difficult than it looks.
42:45As we're back here with Judy Bautista and Tom Pessera.
42:48But before we go, Tom, a big deal. And congratulations going out to Kyle Pitts.
42:52No doubt Kyle Pitts, three years, $54 million contract extension.
42:55A guy who started his career playing with Matt Ryan now gets re-signed by executive Matt Ryan to that new deal.
43:01Best news for all of us who cover the news.
43:04July 15th becoming more and more irrelevant because there's only one person left, Judy, who's on a franchise tag.
43:10That is George Pickens. But this is also good news for B.
43:13John Robinson because he is presumably up next with the contract in Atlanta.
43:17They got a lot of young skill players there.
43:20Do they have a quarterback? Yes. We got wide receivers on the show tomorrow.
43:24Tito Atwell joins us. Thanks for watching. This is an iHeart Podcast.
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