5 Fantasy WRs We Wouldn't Touch With a 10-foot Pole
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Jun 16, 2026
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Brandon AiyukRashee RiceTravis HunterJordyn TysonCam WardChris Olave
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Brandon Aiyuk
NegativeBust0:27
Brandon Aiyuk is now priced at 194th overall on Underdog (essentially undrafted) after posting a video showing he weighs 208 pounds and has given up millions in contract negotiations, raising questions about whether he's still an NFL wide receiver.
Insight pagePositiveValue0:28
Brandon Aiyuk is now a buy at 194th overall as he's much better than his current price and has significant upside if he shows up to the 49ers facility in shape, though he remains untrustworthy.
Insight pageNegativeRole0:28
Brandon Aiyuk is trying to force his way to Washington and has missed training camp, which historically impacts early-season production for wide receivers.
Insight pagePositiveProjection0:29
If Brandon Aiyuk signs with the Washington Commanders, he would likely land in the round 10-11 area (around Romeo Dobbs to Khalil Shakir range), representing a 50-spot discount from his talent level.
Insight pageCam Ward
NegativeProjection0:19
Cam Ward has concerning near-term outlook due to brand new offense, coaching staff, wide receivers, and a miserable offensive line that will struggle under pressure, though he could be good in year three or four.
Insight pageChris Olave
NegativeInjury0:21
Chris Olave is dealing with blood clots and has a concerning concussion history; he's only doing individual drills without team contact, though early reports suggest he will be fine and ADP has climbed from 33 overall to 29 overall.
Insight pageJordyn Tyson
NegativeInjury0:22
Jordan Tyson has a lingering hamstring injury that has persisted for 12 months from the combine through his pro day and into OTAs, with limited participation in team drills despite doing individual work.
Insight pagePositiveValue0:24
Jordan Tyson has high upside with a low floor due to injury concerns, making him an interesting value play if he stays healthy while offering significant downside if the hamstring issue persists.
Insight pageRashee Rice
NegativeBust0:24
Rasheed Rice has dropped from 19 overall to 30 overall (WR 7 to WR 13) since mid-May due to legal issues and knee rehab concerns, though early reports suggest the NFL may not suspend him further.
Insight pagePositiveProjection0:25
Rasheed Rice is a high-upside third-round pick if he participates fully in training camp, as he's a top-seven scoring wide receiver when healthy for the Chiefs with no replacement drafted.
Insight pageNegativeValue0:25
Rasheed Rice should be discounted by 15-20% from his default ranking due to trust concerns around his legal and injury issues, though his ADP will likely climb as he participates more in training camp.
Insight pageTravis Hunter
NegativeInjury0:33
Travis Hunter is still sidelined from a rare knee injury sustained during the bye week and is not yet practicing, though he is wearing a teal jersey indicating he will play both offense and defense.
Insight pagePositiveProjection0:34
Travis Hunter has significant upside as the Jaguars' best corner and likely fourth wide receiver in snaps, with flashes of elite play in year one that could translate to major impact in key games.
Insight pagePositiveUsage0:35
Travis Hunter is unlikely to clear 45% of snaps on offense, but snap usage will fluctuate throughout the season with some games at 30% and others at 65% or nearly 100%, making weekly streaming decisions important.
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0:52So today's show, the five wide receivers we would not touch with a 10-foot pole based on their current draft slot.
0:58Hayden, take it away. Who's named number one? This pains me because I've loved Cortland Sutton, but I do have him as a strict fade here.
1:05He's going to be 30 years old. In comes Jalen Waddell.
1:09If you just look at the history of the Sean Payton offense, a lot of like quick hitting stuff, a lot of manufacturer touches.
1:15Those were never going to Cortland Sutton. Those are definitely going to be going to do Jalen Waddell.
1:20We still have to worry about Marvin Mims, Troy Franklin, R.J.
1:24Harvey, some of the tight end stuff they have.
1:26So I just think that the Cortland Sutton target share is going to drop from 21% last year.
1:31He was the wide receiver 19 in expected points.
1:34I think he's not come close to those numbers just because I think that Jalen Waddell obviously trade a first rounder plus for him.
1:40They're going to have a huge game plan there.
1:43He's still priced as a wide receiver three. I think he's going to be a very inconsistent wide receiver four.
1:49Half PPR best ball. It's okay. A lot of you guys play full PPR redraft.
1:53I've seen the target shares are going to come down.
1:56And last note for him, the Broncos are 21st in projected points right now in the betting markets.
2:01Last year, the Broncos fully healthy offensive line. Bo Nix was healthy.
2:04Corlin Sutton was healthy. They were 15th in scoring.
2:07So I think some regression just based off of the really lucky season from the Broncos on offense.
2:12I think that's just going to get a slight tick down as Bo Nix comes off this ankle injury.
2:17Too many red flags for me. Well, and the other thing we talk about is when your defense can literally win you
2:24games, your offense doesn't have to score as many points.
2:26So while so often people cite, well, bad defenses lead to us score more fancy points.
2:31The two best defenses in the league or three best can prevent your offense from having to chase that ceiling every single time.
2:37Right now, Cortland Sutton is the wide receiver 38.
2:40The eighth pick of the seventh round is interesting.
2:42The markets think he's going to hang on to those receiving totals.
2:46He's projected for around 775 receiving yards. That's more than Brian Thomas Jr.
2:50Who is going ahead of Cortland Sutton. That's more than Parker Washington, who is going ahead of Cortland Sutton.
2:55That's more than Makai Lemon, who is going ahead of Cortland Sutton.
2:58So one area for me that he might be able to jump up a little bit.
3:03It's interesting when you look back at the 2025 Denver Broncos, Troy Franklin actually led this team in targets inside of the
3:0920 yard line with 18 caught 14 of those for four touchdowns.
3:12I mean, a 77% catch rate in that area of the field.
3:16That might be one of, if not the highest percentages across the NFL.
3:20And I wouldn't be surprised if Troy Franklin is now like the water zero four on this team behind Jalen Waddle, Cortland Sutton and Pat Bryant.
3:27And so I do wonder since he was second last year of Sutton, if he can do better than, you know, just
3:33six receptions on 17 targets inside the red zone last year.
3:36Yeah. Some of those targets to Troy Franklin in the red area are like little bubble screens and stuff.
3:42If everything, it's like big red zone fades where obviously Cortland Sutton could come down with eight touchdowns again this year.
3:48I'm playing the under on the underdog projections of the season long stuff.
3:51I see if those numbers are a tad too high for me.
3:55So basically your court and Sutton statement is I just want to take a lot of Jalen Waddle at wide receiver 25
4:01at the 12th pick of the fourth round. I'll take the 27 year old who just spent a first rounder plus for
4:07Sean Payton over the 30 year old. Yes, right.
4:10Who Sean Payton is basically saying, yeah, he's going to totally change our offense.
4:14Like he is the player that's going to take us over the top.
4:17Yeah, I can totally buy that. Okay. I want to talk about Malik neighbors.
4:21Malik neighbors. Awesome talent right now. Wide receiver 14, the seventh pick of the third round.
4:26But let's also keep in mind that he had ACL reconstruction and a lateral meniscus repair.
4:30I just want to take everyone through the timeline here on April 7th.
4:34We get from John Harbaugh that Malik neighbors won't be on the field until quote into training camp and closer to the season.
4:41Then a month later, May 13th. We learned that Malik neighbors underwent a quote cleanup procedure on his knee in the previous weeks.
4:47Remove scar tissue that was causing stiffness in his knee during a rehabilitation and that they are hopeful for week one.
4:53A week later, May 22nd. John Harbaugh says the team is not sure when Malik neighbors will return to the field.
4:59Not a quote simple knee maintained that a return by camp.
5:02It's still the goal, but said the team will see what happens.
5:05This must be the most optimistic, the most positive moments for all these players and coaches and teams during this period.
5:11And it feels like with Malik neighbors, Hayden, that we are getting like more and more negative the closer we get to training camp.
5:18I mean, we're talking about an injury in week four of last season in October and the side and the timeline is still incredibly murky.
5:25So I'm a bit nervous and I'd love to get your take on this.
5:29If we're going to an outcome where he misses multiple games, where he sits multiple games.
5:34And I wonder if we don't see his best until I don't know, week eight of the regular season.
5:39And then I look at who is being drafted around Malik neighbors at this point in the middle of the third round.
5:45And it's after him, it's a flowers T Higgins and then wide receivers.
5:49We think that can like win leagues this year and maybe Ladd McConkie, Garrett Wilson, any mech egg Buka.
5:54So while the ADP, and we'll get into that in a moment, has taken a downturn here from my league neighbors over
6:01the last few weeks, I still think it's too expensive for where I want to take him because I think it's only
6:07going to drop the closer we get to the season.
6:10Yeah, I didn't love that softball game where he was running down the first baseline.
6:14It did not seem like he was moving cleanly.
6:16It's ACL plus setback there. My assumption is he's back in week five.
6:20I think he's going to start the season on the PUP list, not just training camp with actual PUP list.
6:26I would be surprised if we get good news in training camp.
6:29So I think his ADP is going to continue to drop just a little bit.
6:33I've got him ranked 38th overall. So after a couple of those names that you just listed there, the hard part is
6:40that once he gets back, if he's fully healthy, like he's going to dominate that.
6:44I just don't think that like the baseline assumption should be he's ready to go after like a slow offseason that he's
6:50like the same Malik neighbors that we're accustomed to.
6:53So I wouldn't be surprised if he's like, you know, the wide receiver 12 in points from week eight on, but not
6:59the wide receiver three, which we've had at times here.
7:02So if you want to take the risk, I'm OK with it.
7:05I kind of like the risk a little bit more in redraft leagues because what six out of 12 teams make the playoffs were in best ball.
7:13Only two out of the 12 teams and they make the playoffs.
7:16It's a little bit harder to advance if you're going to be taking a bunch of zeros.
7:21The other part of this is oftentimes in round one and round two, and especially let's say if you are drafting from
7:27the seventh slot right now, then you can start Christian McCaffrey and Derek Henry.
7:31Do you really want Malik neighbors who might not be at full strength until about week eight to be your wide receiver one off the board?
7:39Like that is sacrificing five, six, seven games from your number one wide receiver that you drafted.
7:43Like that gets, you know, just murky for me.
7:46I wonder like on Labor Day, you guys come back to the channel and he's now at 40th overall.
7:51And Josh was like, all right, now it's time for us to go all.
7:55Yes. ADP has fallen enough. I just don't think that the ADP is not all of us going to be like, and he's back up.
8:02I think it's more likely he's going to fall another five spot than it is for him to climb five more.
8:08And you always talk about how it's difficult for players to drop versus climb because when they drop, people think that they're just getting ADP value.
8:16And so that takes just much longer. Guess what?
8:18We're about to have a month of silence and I think it'll only go in that direction.
8:23But if he just returns, I don't know, the last week of August somehow and is at training camp, then we'll see a spike, you know, immediately.
8:31And so just right now of where he's going, the seventh pick of the third round, you know, despite dropping eight spots
8:37and that's dropped from the wide receiver nine to wide receiver 14.
8:40I still don't think this is like the bottom value that we're going to get with Malik neighbors and draft system.
8:46He the hell of a football play, which this is just not the year.
8:50And they need him. I mean, the wide receivers is Darius Layton and Malachi Fields.
8:54And we can go down the list. The other part of this is, you know, the Giants also talking a lot about we're going to run the football.
9:02Yada, yada. Not necessarily pass first, but they'll be passing more if Malik neighbors.
9:06That's for sure. All right. My next name is Jacoby Myers.
9:09Pretty similar conversation to the Coral and sudden once I'll make this one pretty tough from week 11 on.
9:15That's when he was a full time player for Jacksonville.
9:18This includes the playoff games. He was the wide receiver 26.
9:21That was when Brian Thomas forgot how to play football.
9:24That was without Travis Hunter. And then that was also with Parker Washington in the middle of a breakout.
9:29I think that Parker Washington tape is actually pretty good.
9:32Brian Thomas is lighting things up in training camp.
9:34They drafted a blocking tight end. Not only did they block or they draft him in the second round.
9:40In the offseason period, they've like doubled down on how important he is to the point where I think that there's going
9:46to be some two wide receiver sets, some more tight end involvement here.
9:50And not much of three wide receiver sets. Jacoby Myers is a glue guy.
9:54You don't get that many fancy points for glue guy stuff.
9:57I think that there's a chance that Brian Thomas breaks out in a big way.
10:01Parker Washington can use continues to ascend. Or if Travis Hunter gets there, gets involved as a wide receiver for if not
10:07more than that, that Jacoby Myers kind of like he's a wide receiver for wider receiver five in fantasy.
10:13So he's just drafted too high. Got him ranked 125th overall.
10:16I think there's more exciting names all around them.
10:18It's interesting. Not often do we disagree to this extent, but I think I disagree with a lot of your points that you made about Jacoby Myers.
10:26The first one is that I think he's going to be out there in two wide receiver sets.
10:31Like if you go and read John Shipley, he noted that Jacoby Myers and yes, it's the dreaded run blocking reasoning, but
10:37that's what he's getting out there in two wide receivers.
10:40And he basically then will rotate the Parker Washington, Brian Thomas Jr.
10:43stuff. And look, that's all fluid. Who knows? I still think, you know, the 11 personnel three wide receiver sets is their
10:50best personal grouping, the most talented personal grouping. But again, you don't spend a second round pick in Borg Kircher and not use him.
10:56Yeah. You know, a player that they loved and wanted to quote unquote shock the world.
11:01I guess what I do agree with you is that even when last year and you look at when everything settled for
11:07this team, Jacoby Myers was playing a lot at that point.
11:10Like if you go from week 12 and on, that was 84%, 92, 83, 87, 88, 94%.
11:15Again, every single game he played the most wide receiver snaps on the team.
11:19It still wasn't like a huge outcome. You know, it was wide receiver 27 and points per game during that stretch.
11:25So could you make the case that even if he plays technically fewer snaps, could Parker Washington outscore him because he's more explosive?
11:32Could Brian Thomas Jr. Outscore him? Yes. I think that's fair.
11:35That's also to me why they are being selected before him.
11:38And Jacoby Myers is the wide receiver three among all Jaguars right now.
11:41It's just not very often that we get the third wide receiver in an offense to be fantasy relevant.
11:47And that's not even accounting. You know, we have Brenton Strange who we like and Basil Toon is going to get some receptions this year.
11:54And, you know, Travis Hunter, the second overall pick is still a threat.
11:58So I just think on a baseline thing, it's fine.
12:00Like baseline projection, he's kind of priced where he is.
12:03There's just like other ways where I think this thing could get sideways.
12:07And even last year, late down the stretch, Brian Thomas wasn't healthy on top of things.
12:11It's like not only was he not playing well, he like was missing time during the Jacoby Myers run.
12:17So I think there's just a lot more things that are coming his way.
12:21And I just would be surprised if they're like, we got to get this offense schemed around Jacoby Myers when you have all these more exciting pieces.
12:28I do think there is something to Jacoby stabilizing what they were trying to do, like the intermediate over the middle stuff.
12:35And hopefully Brian Thomas Jr. is more willing of doing that this year when he is healthy.
12:39Another year in the system and the offense and all that type of stuff.
12:43But, you know, the intermediate over the middle catching traffic has been a staple of Leon Cohen dating back to his days with the Bucs.
12:51And Jacoby was very willing to do that. So I get both sides of this one, but I think I'm more in disagreement here.
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13:18Okay, this is kind of turning to a mash unit for me because my next name is Alec Pierce.
13:23And don't get me wrong, Hayden. I mean, I think you and I, as the season was going along, were early in
13:30the Alec Pierce is, you know, transitioning his game into becoming a more complete wide receiver.
13:34I mean, he's a legit NFL wide receiver is being paid as one right now.
13:38And you saw it as the season went along again, digs and breakers on top of the single high vertical shots that
13:45they forced defenses into when John Taylor was running at a high level.
13:48We know that he led the NFL in yards per catch for the second straight season, 21.3 yards.
13:53But here's my question to you, Hayden. What is more concerning?
13:56Daniel Jones is Achilles injury that he's returning from or Alec Pierce's ankle surgery that he's returning from.
14:02Probably his own ankle is concerning. He looked pretty stiff in the video that we had here.
14:06There's a chance that this thing lingers into the season.
14:09We'll see how much training camp experience he's going to get here.
14:13He did not want to have the surgery. Like that was what we learned here is that he was trying to have
14:19like rehab it and then realized this was not going to work out.
14:23Then got the surgery later in the offseason. So yeah, it's concerning here.
14:26I will say there's still, I think, a lot of upside for Alec Pierce.
14:30So I think that's what makes this difficult is like it's very obvious.
14:34His ankle is turned backwards. That's not good for fantasy points.
14:37But with Michael Pittman gone and maybe the Colts aren't beating everybody by 25 points at halftime this year, all of a
14:43sudden, Alec Pierce looks a lot better. My question was what's more concerning to you in terms of Achilles or Alec Pierce's ankle?
14:50The answer is both. It's a trick answer because with Alec Pierce's draft slot that you're selecting with, you're drafting both.
14:56You know, you're hoping Daniel Jones comes back and plays like the top 12 quarterback that he did when Alec Pierce, you
15:02know, had a heck of a season. And obviously Alec Pierce had production with the other quarterbacks they had out there on the field too.
15:09But you're also looking at a skill position talent that is going to be using that ankle every single time.
15:15As you said, they tried to avoid it at first.
15:17They were forced into the surgery. In April, we got a three-month recovery timeline from GM Chris Ballard.
15:23Then Alec Pierce on June 10th said it's actually going to be a four to six-month recovery.
15:27And his goal is to return, quote, late in camp.
15:30Late. So he really hasn't fallen at all since that remark.
15:33I mean, he fell three overall spots from 73rd to 76.
15:36And again, I'm just going to take the stance that the draft slot is only going to drop more as more players
15:43show out in training camp and preseason action that are around him.
15:46I'm with you. Alec Pierce is a heck of a talent.
15:49This has immense upside. I just think we're going to get even better value in a couple of weeks here.
15:55Yeah, the wider save is going right after. I'm kind of interesting.
15:58Like DK Metcalf, similar to Alec Pierce. And then Corlin Sutton, who's just on my fades list.
16:03And then Jaden Reed, part-time player. And then Quentin Johnston, I think would be an interesting kind of comp for him.
16:09Like those are the next names. And then Josh Downs gets drafted the round after.
16:13Like, would you straight up rather have Josh Downs than Alec Pierce right now?
16:17I think I would still be on team Alec Pierce just based off of the more proven upside in fantasy.
16:23But I can see those guys being priced pretty close together in the next couple of weeks.
16:28Yeah. And if you really want to game the system, I also believe if it does return late in training camp, that
16:34the opening four weeks or the four games will be slow.
16:37And we know how long the season is and how often people panic, especially for, you know, where these guys are being drafted.
16:44Again, Alec Pierce right now is going in the seventh round, and that might even be different in your home leagues.
16:49So there's a trade window, I think, to go out and get Alec Pierce during that time, too.
16:55Yeah. Just do not discount how good Alec Pierce was.
16:57I mean, he just torched the Texans twice down the stretch.
17:00He was a wide receiver 10 in his last four games.
17:04He was a wide receiver 23 over the entire course of the season.
17:07Obviously, there's some, like, negative progression on a lot of the downfield stuff with him.
17:12But I do think that he was, like, a very good wide receiver down the stretch.
17:16So boom bust. And there's no one behind him.
17:19I mean, it's Nick Westbrook-Kine is battling him and Josh Downs for two wide receiver set stuff.
17:23You know? You know, I'm just relentlessly drafting Tyler Warren at this point, and we'll see how that goes.
17:29That goes for me. Okay. One more name for you.
17:32Who is it? I'll just go all the Titans wide receivers.
17:35Just came across a stat that I just could not shake.
17:38No Titans player had more than 3.5 receptions per game last year.
17:41I mean, that's not good. Only Calvin Ridley cleared 33 yards per game, and that was at 44 yards and a half season there.
17:48So we have just a bunch of new target competition, Wyndale Robinson and Cardinal Tate.
17:52I really like Cardinal Tate individually. I do think this is a brand new offense for Cam Ward.
17:57I thought the Cam Ward film was mildly concerning for, like, this year.
18:01I see the talent, but there was a lot of things that I thought were just like, okay, like, this seems like he's swimming a little bit.
18:09I'm not sure how much I trust Brian Dayball here.
18:12And then all the offseason reports have been Cam Ward is really struggling.
18:15Like, that's consistent ESPN, AZ Sports. You can look across the beat writers for the Titans.
18:20They're all saying Cam Ward is looking not that great right now.
18:23So for Cardinal Tate, there's some players that I like ahead of him in fantasy.
18:27And then in Wandale Robinson, I just don't think he's going to get the same exact target share.
18:32I don't think that he's a lock for two wide receiver sets.
18:36Calvin Ridley is still making, like, things like $15 million this year as a 32-year-old.
18:40He's still healthy and involved. They have Elika Yuminor.
18:43They have Chimiri Dike. They want to get involved.
18:45Like, it can just be a little bit more spread out evenly than we want to admit.
18:50And I think the pie that we're talking about here could be pretty concerning on a pretty bad Titans team.
18:56Interesting. Once again, we're on opposite ends of this.
18:58Like, I just brought up a couple videos ago how I think Cardinal Tate is a great value and still stuck at that wide receiver 30 area.
19:06Namely because, you know, rarely do we get someone with this draft capital, the fourth overall pick, albeit in, you know, the 2026 NFL draft.
19:13Right. And if it's a loss, then it's like a small loss.
19:16But when it's a win, it's a massive win.
19:19But it kind of goes back to what you're saying.
19:22If I'm reading between the lines with you, Hayden, you're kind of out on Cam Ward.
19:26Like, you're at least down on Cam Ward. Like, obviously, you said that Jackson Dart would be your redraft number one overall pick that year.
19:33And then just reading between the lines here with Cardinal Tate and obviously Wanda where he's going in the 10th round.
19:39Just being overall out on this offense is really fascinating to me.
19:43Yeah. I mean, there's clearly potential to Cam Ward.
19:45Like, his best plays were awesome. I thought there was a lot of work between those.
19:50And Cam Ward can be really good in year three, year four.
19:53But that's not the point of this podcast. There's a lot of moving parts with brand new offense, brand new coaching staff,
19:59brand new wide receiver, one brand new slot wide receiver.
20:02The offensive line is going to be miserable. I mean, look at the starting line.
20:06The line's going to be complete dog shit. I didn't think that Cam Ward played that great under pressure.
20:12So nothing against Cardinal Tate. Go watch our pre-draft video on Cardinal Tate.
20:16I think he's really good. I just think, like, could this be a Roma Doones Day season for the Bears?
20:21Could this be Drake London finishes the wide receiver 41 on a bad Falcons team as a rookie?
20:26Like, I can see him being the wide receiver 40 and he's priced as the wide receiver 30.
20:31Do you think Wanda was going to keep that kind of verticalness to his game?
20:36Like, did he unlock that in his repertoire or is this more like, hey, we have no one that's like a quick winning wide receiver.
20:43He knows Brian Dayball scheme. And other than that, we have more kind of downfieldish options.
20:47It's probably the latter. I mean, he didn't have Malik Neighbors or anybody else down the field.
20:52That was like Jackson Dart buying time from the ball down the field.
20:56I think he's going to go back. And Russ in that one game against the Cowboys.
21:00And also just like the Cowboys defense just forgot to run cover three.
21:04I think Colonel Tate, again, if it's a loss, it's like a small loss.
21:08But there's some like real, if Kim Ward plays at a high level or above average level, then there's some like, I
21:14think, very positive outcomes we can get from there.
21:17A couple weeks ago, by the way, I also had a video where I talked about DJ Moore and Omar Cooper kind
21:23of being out on their draft capital. But we'll end it there.
21:26We'll end it there after five names. I did want to go through since we're continuing this theme of, you know, updating
21:33injury news because we can kind of forget and stick in our bubble of, hey, all these players are healthy heading into training camp.
21:39And right now we're getting OTAs and mini camps.
21:42And that's simply not the case. So I know you brought about six names to go through quickly.
21:47Yeah. The first two are in New Orleans. Let's start with Chris Olave.
21:51He's dealing with blood clots, which is not something you want to hear about.
21:55In fact, I believe Kellen Moore said he's still recovering from them after they had to keep him out of week 18
22:01game last year with these blood clots. What do you want to say here about Chris Olave?
22:06Yes, blood clots are concerning. And then obviously the concussion history.
22:09He's doing the individual drills, but not the team drills because they do not want him to have contact, which is just like most likely scenario.
22:16This doesn't matter. And 10% of outcomes, this lingers and it becomes a big deal.
22:20And we're talking about a third round pick. So this is just something I'm monitoring.
22:25And then the Jordan Tyson stuff is, I think, equally fascinating because it's the hamstring injury.
22:29I mean, it was a hamstring injury 12 months ago, and it was a hamstring injury throughout the combine and then all
22:35the way up to his pro day where he ran a couple routes.
22:39And he's just has not been participating that much.
22:42Like he's watching practices. He's doing the individual drills.
22:44And then he's just not participating with the team.
22:47Like it's a young, young team. Obviously, they would want these guys to be out there.
22:51It's also June. So like these are strictly not fading them because of injuries.
22:55But I'm hoping that on August 1st, like this is no longer a story.
22:59And it's right now that these guys are priced not overly aggressive, but they're like their picks that matter.
23:05Yeah. Nick Underhill, the goat, did say that, quote, they caught the blood clots early before anything bad could happen and that he will be fine.
23:12He's also hoping to get a new contract before training camp.
23:15It's interesting. Alave, despite being sidelined for all this stuff, has actually climbed an ADP since mid-May from 33 overall to 29 overall.
23:22Wide receiver 14 to wide receiver 12. So again, we're just trying to bring you up to date with all this injury
23:28stuff because it has really impacted some people's ADPs, but then has actually done the inverse with others positively.
23:33Round three, we've got Rasheed Rice, Josh Jacobs, Malik Nabors.
23:36We've got some other guys with bigger issues right now than his, but his is a big deal.
23:41On the Jordan Tyson stuff, yeah. I mean, we think this is just a continuation from the draft process where he ran,
23:47what, like 12 routes at his workout. The ADP has not moved, but I kind of wonder if they're just being exceedingly
23:54careful with him or has the hammy popped up again?
23:56And the answer to that is unknown to those of us on the outside because they don't have to give injury reports during these OTA activities.
24:04They don't have to give updates at all. So whatever information we do get, it's by the kindness of these GMs and head coaches, basically.
24:11Yeah. What makes it so hard is if one of these guys stays healthy and the other guy doesn't, then you're going to want to target these guys.
24:19So it's kind of like a catch-22 where the fact that both of them are battling something right now makes them have
24:25even more upside, but also a crazy low floor.
24:27Okay. Let's talk about Rasheed Rice next. Oh, boy.
24:30Since mid-May, he's dropped from 19 overall to 30th overall, wide receiver 7 to wide receiver 13.
24:35Today, he was released from jail after 30 days where he also did some knee rehab work.
24:40And there was a video of him running away from cell phone cameras in the lobby of jail.
24:45Your thoughts on Rasheed Rice right now are what?
24:47Because it sounds like the NFL is not going to take any more action in suspending him from this most recent, not
24:54issue, but just continuation of what happened last year.
24:56Yeah. Just the failed drug test. I would be surprised if he got suspended, but it's still possible, theoretically.
25:01The big takeaway is he was running out of jail.
25:04So, I mean, the knee rehab must be at least in somewhat of a good enough place because our reporter was trying to chase him down.
25:12So, yeah, there's obviously tons of risk here. There's plenty of time.
25:15It's June 16th. So there's still plenty of time for the Chiefs to feel comfortable, reintegrate them, and then he's going to
25:21be a high upside pick in the third round.
25:24So I would say you never know what's coming next for Rasheed Rice.
25:27I do think his ADP is going to go back up.
25:31I think he's going to be out there on the first day of training camp, and I think the reports are going
25:37to be Rasheed Rice is still very important to the offense.
25:40So I think that I think his ADP is going to go up until the next shoe could drop, and then he could be in the 80s.
25:48So, like, I think that you should have whatever your default ranking is for Rasheed Rice, discount it by 15, 20%, and
25:54then that's your actual baseline for what he should be going as because you just can't trust him.
25:59But I think for the most part, this story is, I think, mostly behind us.
26:03We can kind of predict trends when it comes to drafting.
26:06When Rasheed Rice goes out there and practices fully on the first day, his ADP will probably climb to the top of
26:12the third round, if not at, like, the round two, three turn.
26:16If he was a normal citizen who also, you know, wasn't coming off a knee injury, I would probably rank Rasheed Rice
26:22right next to Drake London and Brock Bowers. Yes.
26:25Yes. Is that fair? Yeah. Yeah. Easily. Yeah. Easily.
26:27I mean, he's been he's been like a top five to top ten receiver whenever he's been healthy.
26:32Yeah. And I mean, again, that might be underselling it a little bit.
26:36Like maybe he should be in the middle of all that stack of eight running backs that we have right there.
26:42Yeah. Like you said, I mean, he's a top seven scoring wide receiver when he is on the field as part of the Kansas City Chiefs.
26:49And, you know, while they've drafted some randers at wide receiver, including Jalen Royals and insert your Cyrus Allens and so on
26:56and so forth, they have really done nothing to replace him as a key focal point and exactly where they want to throw the football.
27:03So I would be drafting Rushy Rice right now if you want to, you know, be a part of the group that
27:09believes in Rushy Rice, because, again, if we're getting ahead of these trends, he will only go up the more he participates in training camp.
27:16I promise in two weeks he will not be right next to Malik Neighbors in ADP.
27:20They are probably going in two different trajectories if I'm predicting it.
27:24OK, Brenna you because next posted a video among other videos on social media where he steps on the scale and weighs 208 pounds.
27:31We could do another 30 minutes on the Brenna you situation.
27:34And if he is theoretically a good pick, Hayden, I think you could say, is he theoretically still a wide receiver in the NFL right now?
27:41I think that's a fair question. I also do think we're probably getting closer to the point where things are going to get better at this point.
27:49He has not helped himself at all. I think that what what could happen is he shows up to the 49ers facility
27:55and that's what gets him pretty much released right away.
27:58But yeah, he's priced now at 194th overall on underdog.
28:01So he's basically going undrafted. We know he's much better than that.
28:04He's 208 pounds. That seems like a good playing weight for him.
28:07He's got a lot to play for after giving up millions and millions and millions of dollars.
28:12You obviously can't trust him. But I mean, start naming some of the wide receivers he's he's right next to.
28:18And if you want to compare talents to Brandon Ayuk.
28:21So like I'm I'm now at the point I'm buying Brandon Ayuk.
28:24Wish me the best. But this is this is my time to buy.
28:28Yeah. I mean, look in your home normal leagues.
28:30You're not even factoring in Brandon Ayuk in your conversation.
28:33This is just the sickos that are thinking about Brandon Ayuk in round 17.
28:37I don't know. I mean, when he missed training camp, we've talked about other wide receivers that are more consistent who missed
28:43training camp and how much that impacts, you know, their production, especially early in the season.
28:48By all accounts, he is trying to force him with his way to Washington.
28:52And it makes sense. They do not have a, you know, legit second outside wide receiver unless you want to hypothesize trail
28:58on Burks or Antonio Williams in that area. Yeah.
29:01I mean, I just haven't seen anything like this over the last six to eight months, basically ever.
29:06And we saw the Antonio Brown stuff. It's Deontay to the bills and took him to the Las Vegas Raiders and then
29:12the shoe and the helmet stuff and all that.
29:15And then, you know, we've seen the Terrell Owen stuff in his past.
29:18But yeah, I think this is a an interesting one with Brandon Ayuk.
29:22And I'm not sure if I'm even going to want to do it in round 17.
29:26Yeah. I mean, like Ted Hurst goes around ahead of them.
29:30I mean, that's a third round pick developmental type who's the wide receiver for like there's there's just other names.
29:35Ted Hurst either. Okay, good. But Isaac Tesla goes two rounds ahead of him.
29:39Isaac Tesla catches about four passes. If you say and I Mitchell, then I'll hear you on that.
29:44I Mitchell like we can we can we can pick our favorites down here.
29:48I just think at some point, Jawan Jennings does go five rounds ahead of them.
29:52Those type of names again playing the ADP game as soon as Brandon signs with the Washington Commanders.
29:58Why don't we guess this? What round do you think he lands in?
30:01If he if you signed with the Commanders today, he would go, let's say, Romeo Dobbs in round 10.
30:07Like, yeah, Khalil Shakir. I mean, I was looking at these names like he'd go ahead of Omar Cooper.
30:12He'd go ahead of Travis Hunter. And so, yeah, this round 11, round 10 area of Romeo Dobbs to Khalil Shakir to Jaden Higgins makes the most sense.
30:20And it could be higher than that. Like, it could be higher than that.
30:24It could. And I think there's a bit of like a tear drop from like Michael Pittman and Matthew Golden down to these other guys.
30:31I think at worst, he would go where Jawan Jennings was going in round 13.
30:35So you have like a it's like a he's 50 ish spots discounted.
30:39And and that's the upside that you get if you're going to take on the zero risk with him.
30:44And also, you know, the next pick after him is Malik Washington, who most likely is going to be a zero this year.
30:51All right. Just to give you more information on players that, you know, we have hyped up here on the show.
30:57Lad McConkie right now is working off to the side during OTAs.
31:00Harbaugh got on the mic right before the show and said, quote, he's working through something.
31:05Again, no injury reports are necessary through the NFL right now.
31:08So we do not know what Lad McConkie is working through at this point.
31:12Do you want to guess? No idea. Just wanted to say he's not practicing.
31:16I'm not going to guess. There's no no point.
31:18Which sucks because, you know, it's a new system.
31:21One that we are really excited for with Mike McDaniel and that, you know, Quentin Johnson and Trey Harris are getting work at this point.
31:28And Lad McConkie is not. And so if we were trying to do the one to one of who could be this
31:34year's, you know, fourth round, third round wide receiver that goes nuclear and wins your fancy football league.
31:39I know myself and others have nominated Lad McConkie.
31:42And that's tough to do when you're not practicing.
31:44I think I think Lad will be will be fine.
31:47I agree. Yeah. How about Roma Dunze? There have been some interesting words he has said this offseason.
31:52We know last year there were some on off splits of when he injured his foot and when he was healthy on this injured foot.
31:59But among other words, he is now saying it is, quote, his new normal.
32:03What does that mean to you? Don't love to hear it.
32:06I will just note. I think that Gen Z is going to be very more open and talking about the realities of their stuff and then hiding it.
32:14I would just be I'm guessing that a lot of football players like if you ask Julio Jones truthfully, how does your foot feel?
32:21Well, we would probably say not great. And I just think that Roma Junze is going to play through it just because
32:27he was being open about does not make his foot injury worse than other people that have had this before.
32:33So I think a lot of football players have foot issues and most of the time they play through it.
32:39I think the big news that went overlooked is he's practicing.
32:42He has his foot injury, but he's practicing. So I think in general, I think it's the words that he used, quote, this is my new normal.
32:49And it's not from a standpoint that I'm always in pain.
32:52But the way my foot broke, there's calluses in there that create a different type of foot structure with those bones, different
32:59types of things that kind of shift things around.
33:01So my new normal is kind of what I'm going into.
33:04No, sounds like he listened to his doctors on.
33:07Yes, he's just reporting the structure shifting around. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
33:10He just keeping it. He's just keeping it a buck.
33:13Yeah. As much as I love Luther Burton, there is, I think, a direct pathway for Roma Dunze, who I also really
33:19like and I think is incredibly talented to us and shows the Bears wide receiver one this year.
33:24And, you know, I don't know. They're going a handful of spots different.
33:28Like it's wide receiver 29 versus wide receiver 21, the 11th pick of the fifth round versus the sixth pick of the fourth round.
33:35So I'm still drafting Roma Junze with good confidence because he's in this cluster of wide receivers of Christian Watson, Rome, Cardinal Tate, Brian Thomas, and Jordan Tyson.
33:43Yep. I think it's a great pick right now.
33:45We'll close with Travis Hunter, as we have talked about relentlessly.
33:48He is still sidelined from that knee injury that he dealt with during the bye week.
33:53What is on my radar the most, Hayden, is when you watch these training camp, or excuse me, these OTA clips, he is wearing a teal jersey.
34:00And the teal jersey means he's quote unquote practicing with the offense and not the white of the defense.
34:06He's going to play both sides of the ball this year.
34:09Like I feel very confident in that. So I just wanted to note that he's not practicing yet because of his knee injury.
34:15And it is one of the more rare knee injuries.
34:18So like among the players we've talked about with injuries, like his could end up lingering maybe a little bit more than we'd want.
34:25So this is just like fully monitoring the situation.
34:28I would guess he finishes wide receiver four in Jaguars in snaps.
34:31And then he's their best corner. So I'm just monitoring this one.
34:34But we talked about this in our year two film review that there's plenty of upside here.
34:39Like he flashed it. Didn't get to see it consistent enough.
34:42And that was partially his fault, partially the offense's fault.
34:45But there's upside here. Just I want him on the practice field eventually.
34:49And again, they probably don't make the playoffs if he's not on the team and doesn't play wide receiver in like the
34:5549ers and the Chiefs games where he had a heavy hand at winning those games with downfield big catches.
35:00With all that said, I still think it's unlikely he clears 45% of snaps on offense.
35:05But that's just my take here on June 16th.
35:0816th. But we also it's OK if like parts of the season he's at 30% and then other parts of the season at 65%.
35:14And then we can start him in the games that he's playing 65% of snaps.
35:19Or sometimes that could be there could be a couple of games where he's at nearly 100% of the snaps.
35:24So I don't think we should always take the averages across the season.
35:28I think there's gonna be some ups and downs with with Travis Hunter here.
35:32And obviously, the earlier he gets into practices, the better because there was he could not line up properly for his rookie season.
35:38So like, I would like to see that eventually.
35:41Here's a take. Maybe now when he actually can't practice and you can kind of get mental reps.
35:46He's doing those mental reps on offense to know about all the alignment and stuff.
35:50And then as soon as we need gets back on the field to actually being able to run around and practice, then
35:56he's just going to go straight back. Yeah, I think that's a good good take.
36:01Okay, well, that does it. Well, more good takes here later in the week.
36:05We have Ian Harditz on the program on Wednesday and then Thursday, the running back version of this.
36:10At least five players are not touching on the 10-foot pole.
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