0:00Welcome everyone to week four. This is Stats vs Film, the flagship show where as you know we look at all 16
0:06games that just happened, all 32 teams, and compare what we saw on the tape to the spreadsheets, the underlying metrics, and
0:13the stats to help you win your fantasy matchups.
0:15Moving forward you bully your friends, your league mates to continue on to 4-0 in your fantasy leagues.
0:20But just in case you're not, hey Winks, today it's a special day.
0:24Because you know, after three weeks there's a decent sample size here, a number of snaps maybe over 130, 140 for a lot of these players.
0:32That I think it's time to already bring up players that are giving the people the biggest headaches out there, aka the worst picks in certain rounds.
0:39I'm going to go through two through six when we talk about those teams individually and maybe see if there's any hope
0:46or if it's just time to cut bait and see what you can get in the trade market.
0:51How about that? Yeah, I posted a little fantasy points over a placement chart out there looking at the ADPs from the
0:57summer and what this metric is, is how many points you're scoring above the quarterback 12 above the running back 24 above
1:04the wide receiver 36 above the tight end 12 adjust for the flex position and then you're seeing who's actually performing well across position.
1:11So like right now, JSN's number one in that category.
1:13Right next to him is Jameer Gibbs, of course, but you can really see how there's a couple awesome picks early on
1:20and then there's a huge dead zone. Even just beyond this like round seven through eight and there's pretty much like no good picks.
1:27So it was a bad spot. Yeah, like from week or from round six to round eight.
1:32We knew it was bad. And guess what? It's been really, really bad.
1:35Yes. Matt, any thoughts on this for the first time?
1:38Yeah, it's funny. We talked so much. I know you guys did on your show.
1:42Obviously, we did on the forecast. Anytime we collaborated, we talked about this a lot that rounds like four to six wide receiver range.
1:49Yeah, man. Bunch of great picks there actually haven't been very many hits so far in that wide receiver grouping.
1:55I mean, you've got Garrett Wilson, the guy that a lot of people didn't really want to click.
2:00He's been solid here. Devante Adams is another guy that people didn't really want to click in that grouping.
2:06He's been electric with Puka Nakua out. Christian Watson is the one who's been one guy that people were excited about and has really delivered here.
2:13So yeah, definitely. It's always topsy-turvy at the wide receiver position, especially so you know what is down may come up at
2:20some point, but certainly it hasn't been a bunch of massive breakouts from that group so far.
2:25Okay, that's a bit of a tease. We'll go through each of these teams and definitely bring up the negatives.
2:30And again, I know that's where so much of your focus is of why these guys are only getting four or five
2:37points on my roster and not, you know, the 12 or 13 that I intended.
2:41Okay, how this show starts is we go through the 10 headline teams and then go through alphabetical order after that.
2:47And as always, we begin with the primetime games that we haven't talked about, at least on this channel.
2:52And so let's talk about the Chicago Bears and the Philadelphia Eagles.
2:56First up, the winning team, the Case Keenum led Chicago Bears.
2:59And Hayden, I'm going to start off negative. I'm going to continue this trend.
3:03Okay. There were a few bad picks in round four, but Colston Loveland is easily the worst.
3:08Okay. I know on this episode over the last two weeks, we've talked about Khalif Raymond and his snap counts and his
3:14production versus the wide receivers in Luther Burton and Roma Dunze.
3:17So the conversation actually be Khalif Raymond is ripping away any hope that we have from Colston Loveland.
3:23Well, the last four games last year, he had a 31% target share in the three games here.
3:28We're talking about a 10% target share. He's still out there running a lot of routes.
3:32I will say it's a lot more like downfield.
3:35And I think that's maybe to your point where the Khalif Raymond, obviously Luther burden, those type of players are gobbling up more of the easy looks.
3:43Colson Loveland still getting like some routes in isolation.
3:45I wouldn't say that he's crushing it in those routes either.
3:49Just like watching the tape back from this last year.
3:51And there's like a couple opportunities where they could have got got him going.
3:55And then also like just some bad luck. There's been some attempts like right at the goal line where he was not able to score touchdowns.
4:03So I think this one will eventually get back to like where it should be.
4:07But the gap between Trey McBride and Brock Bauer versus Colston Loveland, we are not going to close that gap.
4:13Like that gap is long gone. Now it's like, can we get back to Sam Laporta, Tyler Warren, that type of type of range.
4:20And I think he will get there, but it has not been very promising.
4:24Yeah, I would just say real quick too about the Colston Loveland thing.
4:28It's he's at 29.7 routes per game. Trey McBride is at 36.
4:31Jawan Johnson, by the way, is at 36 as well.
4:34Brock Bauer is in one game, 35 routes per game.
4:37So that that's that you're right. That gap is unless something really changes here.
4:41That's not going to close. And I obviously was kind of ahead of ADP on all of these top three bears pass catchers.
4:48It was pretty likely that one was not going to work out right now.
4:52We've got two that aren't really working out, but the Loveland one is the one that stings here.
4:57And I really do think Kalief Raymond is a huge part of this man.
5:01I was watching this game back this morning, specifically charting Kalief Raymond, which is not a thing I thought I'd be saying
5:07in week three of the NFL season. But here we are.
5:10But here we are. And there's just so much that he's doing.
5:14Yeah, I wouldn't say it's like, oh my God, he's blowing me away, but he's just executing the assignment specifically like his
5:20Ben Johnson was cooking in that game last night to specifically his touchdown.
5:24The deep post route is so well designed. It's a great example of how everything works together.
5:29Luther burden goes in motion and occupies two defenders on the right side of the field.
5:33Roma duns. They runs like a quick slant. He's open.
5:36It brings down Quinn. Young Mitchell there. So then the space is just cleared wide open in the middle of the field
5:43for Kalief Raymond to run this post route again, completely wide open.
5:46He catches it outruns Andrew McCuba, who had a really tough night at the office in Monday Night Football.
5:52And that was it. And he just is continuing to get these looks.
5:55And I don't think like he's at this point, he's a 32 year old player.
6:00It can just kind of fade at any point for a guy like this.
6:04But right now there's nothing that says this should change in terms of the distribution of snaps routes, etc.
6:09He really changes the picture for all of these guys.
6:12Yeah, you mentioned that Ben Johnson was cooking. He will never admit this and no offensive play caller ever admit this.
6:18But I do wonder if those guys kind of love when these veterans for the last time get to get on the
6:24field and just let it rip and they get to showcase whatever cool stuff that they want to, you know, and then
6:31they get all the credit for it along with that guy maybe playing his last start in his last game, you know,
6:37and Ben Johnson was all over this. And it was just really fun to see.
6:41It was really fun to see. On top of this, I love seeing Luther Burden getting 11 targets.
6:46Now, if we look at target share ranks among NFL wide receivers, JJ Zacharyson posted this Luther Burden right now is 15th.
6:53Kalief Raymond is at 26th. Roman Dunze at 60th.
6:55We did see a slight change here for Luther Burden.
6:58I understand he's still not playing, you know, some 12 personnel to wide receiver looks.
7:03But at the same time, we care most about route shares and dropbacks and all that type of stuff.
7:08He was at 66% for the first two weeks.
7:11Now he's up to 77%. And Hayden, once again, if we think about what this Philadelphia Eagles defense does well in terms
7:17of protect down the field, and then what, you know, Ben Johnson could dial up here for Case Keenum, it would make
7:23sense that Luther Burden and Kalief Raymond will get the most opportunities in this game.
7:28But I'm so optimistic of Luther Burden way more than I am.
7:31The other two names rest of season. 20.4 expected half PPR points was a career high by 8.4.
7:36Previous to that 26% target share was a team high for him.
7:40He's the wide receiver 19 in targets per game.
7:42And I think that he's got like the easiest part of the offense right now.
7:47Obviously, you get that little underhand play where he just I mean, what an awesome touchdown by Luther Burden there.
7:52So he's the one that feels the best. He's actually like the wider receiver 13.
7:5714 in usage across the season. That was a little bit surprising to me.
8:01Because the last two games, they got him going a little bit more than in that first one.
8:06And I do think that the snaps are going to kind of consolidate around these players like we're not doing the Walker stuff anymore.
8:13Roma Doons is a full time player, but he's not getting any of the easy stuff.
8:17And then he's dropping the easiest targets of his life, which is super frustrating.
8:21So I think if you were going to rank them, it would be Luther Burden.
8:26I would say that he's an upside like wider super 23 player.
8:29And then everyone else is just kind of a wait and see.
8:33Yeah, I think that right. I think that's right.
8:35I mean, the average depth of target really tells the story here with these guys.
8:40Roma Doons a 17.8. Colson Loveland 5.11 7.2 for Luther Burden and then 5.8 for Kalief Raymond and the Roma Doons a 17 air yards per target.
8:47Yeah, the drop. I mean, Hayden, you and I talked about this on the recapture last night.
8:52It was it was so frustrating. I actually woke up last night in the middle of the night to go to the
8:59bathroom and stayed awake for 20 minutes. In the middle of the night thinking about it.
9:03Now I like I couldn't get back to sleep because I was so bothered by it.
9:08I didn't have like any fans. I don't have any fantasy matchups riding on it.
9:12It just bothered me so much personally because it's so frustrating.
9:15Otherwise, he looks so good. He separates extremely well, but you can't.
9:19You're not going to get a lot of opportunities in this offense.
9:22So you can't drop the ones coming your way because it's too crowded.
9:26And, you know, this is just a general theme right now.
9:29In the receiver world is that if you are an X receiver and you are not clearly the best wide receiver on
9:35your football team, you're going to be a really difficult player to predict on a week to week basis in fantasy.
9:42We can go down the list of teams that fall in that category.
9:45Some of the ones we'll talk about today. So yeah, it's very much like a dude is going to have good games because he's a good player.
9:53But fantasy wise, difficult to trust and definitely difficult to trust.
9:56If you're going to drop the football wide open in the end zone.
10:00Matt to close this one out quickly. There's no way Ben Johnson goes to Tyson Bajit in week four against the Jets, right?
10:07It's case Keenum back again. Oh, yeah. I mean case Keenum was great.
10:10He executed the assignment. I think to your point, Josh, I'd go one step further and say these offensive coordinators, play callers,
10:17head coaches, they relish the option of having their hand tied behind their back for a few weeks and having to try to figure it out.
10:24This is what this is what they live for.
10:27So I think Ben Johnson will be living for it once again in week four, maybe week five as well.
10:32DeAndre Swift started seven of nine drives, which was a new kind of rotation with with the running backs there.
10:38So I'm not sure if like we have like a good theory on why that is.
10:43But right now, DeAndre Swift's the RB six on RB seven usage.
10:46And I feel a lot more comfortable with case Keenum, rather than like the mystery box of Beijing.
10:51I have a theory revenge game. That's simple. Maybe it's a narrative.
10:55Maybe it's not. But you know, revenge game to play more starting to start the series than common on guy.
11:01Okay. Speaking of let's go to the opposition here in the Philadelphia Eagles and guys.
11:05I'm going to be selfish here open. Okay, because boy, did it look good for my Saquon Barkley thoughts and bags and feelings heading into the week.
11:13In the first half, 11 carries for 73 yards, and then just four carries in the second half.
11:18So while you know, there's been some washed allegations for Saquon Barkley, I think at least to my eyeballs, as an individual,
11:24he did not look washed, especially when he was given the line of scrimmage.
11:28But Harmon, I am very concerned that this rushing environment is washed for, you know, four straight quarters that the defense is
11:35not playing up to their standards for the first three weeks.
11:38And then that the passing offense, if they get in trailing situations, can't keep up.
11:42And that leads to them totally abandoning the run in the second half.
11:46I think all your concerns are valid. And yeah, I don't really, I mean, Saquon Barkley washed.
11:51I don't think he looks washed at all. I don't think he looked washed last year.
11:55And so far this year, it has, it has looked totally fine with Saquon Barkley as an individual player, but the environment is significantly worse here.
12:03They're trying to run more outside zone. Their success rate is down from 10th on zones, zone runs to 20th this year.
12:09That's been actually one of the few, one of the few changes.
12:13They're trying to do that. Not really pushing the schematic advantages in the passing game is our show as I'm sure we'll
12:19talk about, but yeah, Barkley, I think looks fine.
12:22I mean, when you give him a lane, he can explode.
12:25We saw some of that early on, but yeah, the, the, the way the offense is playing right now, overall, the way
12:31the defense took has maybe taken a little step back.
12:34This is another thing too, again, like league wide trends.
12:37You can have these great cornerbacks and great pass rush defensive line.
12:40But if you've got safeties and linebackers and safeties is the main one for the Eagles last night, Ben Johnson toyed with those guys.
12:47If you don't have good play down the spine of the defense, especially at the second and third level, you're going to
12:54get picked on by these good coordinators right now.
12:56So maybe the Eagles are not a top three defense, but maybe more of six or seven.
13:01And there's usually a pretty big Delta between the first and six best defense in the league, which is a problem for Saquon Barkley.
13:08They also can't block with their tight ends right now or their wide receivers, which is like hurt, you know, the Makai lemon stuff.
13:15And like, that's for some really bad, like, uh, like third and longs and like some punts there.
13:20But for, for Saquon Barkley, he's the RB 42 in receptions per game, you know, like you got, and you also have to worry about the tush push.
13:28So unless he's ripping off long touchdowns, it's just hard to make the math works.
13:32I think right now he's gonna be outside my top 12 in, in, uh, by running back rankings, um, until proven otherwise.
13:39I, I think that that stinger, they've not been playing him quite as much.
13:43They're doing a little bit more with Will Shipley, obviously tank bigs, he gets involved a little bit as well.
13:49Um, but like that little difference there on top of things makes it hard to make the math work.
13:54I don't know. The will shiply stuff to me is not much of a change because it's like the four minute drills, the pure passing situations.
14:01And, you know, Saquon is not going to get the ball in that environment either.
14:06Like, again, they just don't dump it off. And actually the one that he could have caught last week or excuse me,
14:12last night, um, that was under thrown. Like there was a huge Canyon of space in front of them there.
14:18So it's just frustrating to watch. And again, they have the Rams and the Jaguars coming up these next two games.
14:24And I just wonder if this offense can like keep pace with all of that.
14:28We, we don't have to reiterate this Jalen hurts conversation again.
14:31I mean, everyone that's watched the channel for a long time kind of knows my feelings on it.
14:37That when the team has an offensive play caller that can have Jalen hurts, feel comfortable, then they can maybe extract some
14:43plays and some passing concepts out of him that he typically doesn't feel uncomfortable or doesn't feel comfortable accessing.
14:48Um, that has been the Shane Sykins that has been the Kellen Moores.
14:52Right. Uh, and then if they can't do that, you get play callers that the fan base wants to fire after three games.
14:59And Sean Mannion is kind of on that trend so far a little bit here.
15:03So it's, it's, I mean, they just have to completely Matt, get rid of the Makai lemon passes behind the line of scrimmage.
15:10Not one of those has worked. And then on top of it, like be consistent in your decision-making on fourth downs.
15:16Hayden, I talk about this all the time where you can be aggressive, but you have to constantly be aggressive.
15:22Or if you constantly want to punt and you have to punt in every single one of those situations and the series
15:28first one, fourth and one take the delay of game.
15:31And the second series in the exact same spot, go for it on fourth and six makes zero sense when you zoom out from this regard.
15:38Yeah. I don't need to see another Makai lemon plays the Jaden Reed role again in my life, like those types of
15:45targets and like take those plays and throw them in the trash can.
15:48And, and to your point, just about the way that this Eagles offense feels right now, it feels exactly the same as it ever has.
15:55I mean, they're dead last in play action rate this year.
15:59They're down from 24% to 9% use of heavy personnel is down.
16:02Of course, we know their injuries are a big part of it.
16:06They're 26 and under center rate. They were 30th in motion last year.
16:09They're 30th this year. What's old is new again.
16:12Like this is the Jalen hurts offense. And honestly, at this point, I'd, I'd maybe just completely lean into that.
16:18Like again, the, the, the, some of the other things like the screens and stuff, not really working.
16:23You have three talented receivers. I'd like to see Makai lemon used in more of kind of the intermediate area.
16:29He's been just hit or miss to me. I don't think his film has been awesome, but it hasn't been disgusting.
16:35So can you get him a little bit more ramped up in ways that make sense?
16:39Cause at this point, I think this is just what it's going to be.
16:43It's going to be a kind of a spread and shred type of attack.
16:47And I think they have the three receivers to essentially get that done.
16:51And then again, to your point about the decision-making too, what's old is new.
16:55Again, it's like, what does Nick Sirianni do here?
16:58Big Dom is trying to get himself on camera more and more.
17:01It's again, same old stuff for Philadelphia. Not a lot of changes here, which is unfortunate.
17:06Maybe by the end of the season, it could be different, but three games in three good matchups too.
17:11It's like I said, just more of the same.
17:14I got nothing to add. Anyone to add Hilton?
17:16No. Okay. Last thing I'll add is that last season, they were the worst in terms of three and outright across the NFL and they should their 28th.
17:24So again, it's everything's the same. It just fricking sucks.
17:27And I don't think that I overestimated Saquon Barkley's individual talent.
17:30I think that's out there. What I overestimated was their ability to have a stable rushing environment and getting back to a really good blocking offensive line.
17:38And that's just not there at this point. Maybe it gets to that point because the Eagles have been one of the
17:45best franchises in the NFL for, let's say the last decade, but it's certainly not looking good right now.
17:50Okay. Let's go to the Los Angeles Rams. I know you guys have both talked about this, but I want to bring
17:56up that the Rams and despite the Pukunakua injury are still able to find specific targets.
18:01And it is Hayden number one, Devante Adams. And then number two, whatever tight end is out there in a pass catching situation.
18:08So talk about Devante Adams Hayden and then also talk about who that tight end might be in week four for not
18:14just people's tight end spot, but also flex possibilities.
18:17Well, first of all, on the Devante Adams front, he looks awesome individually.
18:20I mean, he roasted Pat Sertan for the entire game.
18:23Like there was a lot of one-on-one opportunities, some off coverage, some press coverage and was awesome on it.
18:29He also like split that safety on the like little choice route over the middle.
18:33And that was like the fastest I can remember him running as a Los Angeles Rams.
18:38Like once again, completely has it. Even if Pukunakua is back in the lineup, I think he will still be a top 15 wide receiver.
18:45We don't know if Pukunakua is going to be back.
18:48There's that's still like a complete mystery to me, which brings me to the tight end room.
18:53Tyler Higby stepped right into the Terrence Ferguson role after that ankle injury.
18:56And then Colby Parkinson, he's going to be questionable this week with an AC joint and a knee injury.
19:02I'm going to guess that both of those players miss.
19:05And then all of a sudden, like we were fired up to start Terrence Ferguson.
19:09Colby Parkinson was a top 15 tight end last year.
19:12Like to me, Tyler Higby is the name that has gone overlooked ahead of the waiver wire.
19:17If you are in tight end trouble right now, you can get Tyler Higby probably for free on the waiver wire.
19:23And he's done this before. And I thought that he had a couple of nice plays on tape as well.
19:29It's like, there's only so many guys they can get the ball to like Mumfield.
19:33That's as much as they're going to get Whittington as much.
19:36They're going to get, you can't get Davis Allen in there too much either.
19:40Like to me, it's going to be obviously Devante Adams.
19:43Then it's going to be Tyler Higby, assuming Pukenaku is going to miss another one.
19:47You know, he's been getting the football a lot in the passing game is also Kyron Williams.
19:52I was kind of stunned to look at his receiving usage.
19:554.9 air yards per target for Kyron Williams. Among running backs with double digit targets, that's easily number one.
20:01Number two is Devon Achan, you know, obviously no longer in our lives.
20:042.4. He's doubling up Devon Achan on his 12 targets in terms of the air yards.
20:09Only two of them have been check downs too.
20:12So that's like how Kyron Williams goes from a guy that's, you know, super consistent and we really like to really being
20:18another, another level of weapon for your fantasy teams this year.
20:21Like I was just talking about this with Ray on the forecast for the data dump show.
20:26Would you rather have Kyron Williams or Ashton Gentry in fantasy?
20:29I think I said, I said Kyron Williams, like, would you rather have Saquon Barkley or Kyron?
20:34I would go Kyron in that situation, especially with, they need to find different answers.
20:38I think Tyler Higbee can be an answer, but you know, Kyron Williams as a receiver, this is a big part of it too.
20:45Totally. Again, he either scores a touchdown when they, you know, post 26 points or if they're trailing or tied, he plays
20:52like 75% of snaps like they, like he did in this game.
20:55So it's a, it's a sweet role that he has in offense that totally trusts him.
21:00Go ahead. They had him in the slot a lot more, uh, in this last game, I think because they're missing so many bodies out there.
21:07And earlier in the game, there was two, uh, quick outs from the slot that were both completed.
21:12And then on that pick six for who Funga, uh, that was also a slot, uh, quick out and who Funga just ripped it.
21:19And, uh, he wasn't even supposed to be defending Kyron Williams for the pick six.
21:24And then of course, later on in the game, uh, the Rams look like they're gonna do another, uh, quick out to Kyron Williams.
21:31He busted back inside for an angle route. It's a little cat and mouse going out there, but I think to your
21:37point, just he's like in the slot as like a first read target on some of these passes as well.
21:43So I think that he's a, no doubt about it.
21:46Uh, top 10 fantasy running back right now. Okay.
21:48To your point, Hayden, on Tyler Higbee, um, we record the waiver show with Joel before the T Ferg news hit and obviously the Parkinson stuff.
21:56So he definitely would have been named that I was going to mention.
21:59So again, when we're getting to this point with flexes, never has it been a better position to consider, and I'll just
22:06use the word consider tight ends in your flex spot this year.
22:09I mean, it's outscoring the wide receiver 33 and like the running back 25 this year.
22:14So that's a very notable, Matt, I want to send to you and Hayden, I want your answer to this question.
22:20A lot of people out there drafted Puka Nakua.
22:22What should they do? Should they trade him? Should they trade for him?
22:26And if you were to trade him away, name one player that you think is like fair value for him at this point.
22:33I mean, fair value for him. You're not going to, you're probably not going to get fair value for him.
22:39I feel like you just want me to throw some names at you.
22:42Yeah. Throw some names at me. I mean, cause there's a few, I think I'd like what's, what's fair.
22:48What's relevant. Would you trade Puka Nakua straight up for Christian Watson?
22:51No. Hayden? I would take Puka, but that's close.
22:54Yeah. Okay. Well, I'm not going to go any lower than that.
22:57Like the next one, I would have said yes.
23:00Like I would rather have Christian Watson rest of the season, I think than, than Puka Nakua just because I am kind
23:06of terrified of, of the injury stuff here with this.
23:09I mean, the next question I was going to ask is like Parker Washington, but that's, you know, wide receiver 10 at this point.
23:16So you guys are more optimistic than I am that Puka is going to come back and look extremely solid.
23:22Versus I think Christian Watson has obviously an injury history on top of it, but has this very stable position and production
23:28that we've seen so far with him too. Yeah.
23:31I would just be a little worried about like their, the bottom falls out on the Packers completely, but you know, the
23:37Rams look a little shaky as well. So we'll see.
23:40Chris Olave. Oh yeah. Easily. I would take a lot.
23:43Like I would take like the Olave Z flowers types.
23:46I know flowers is not like a hundred percent healthy right now.
23:49I would take those guys for sure. I had a Puka right now, but I don't know if I'd go all the
23:55way down to the Christian Watson types. Okay. I just, I just wanted to gauge that.
24:00Okay. Let's next take it to their opponents who came back in one.
24:04It is the Denver Broncos. Um, Hayden talk about Jalen Waddle.
24:07Um, we had week one, then we had week two and now we have week three.
24:11What are your thoughts just overall of us hyping up Jalen Waddle so much this summer?
24:16And if that's going to hit for us on a weekly basis, the floor is definitely lower than I thought it was going to be.
24:23Just the whole connection between Nick's Waddle and then Davis Webb, like has just not been all that clean.
24:29Uh, just 7.5 yards per target is way below his career yards, uh, per target.
24:33He's had another drop here. There's been a couple, I would say late throws from, from Bo Nix.
24:38And then I will say in that game, I did think that there was some nice routes from, from Waddle and like some good play designs.
24:46And then just the Ram just had great coverage on it.
24:49They either McDuffie or just the zone defense as well.
24:52Like that's just like the reality of it. It's kind of a boring answer, but there was a couple like near misses
24:58for like, for a couple more extra plays there.
25:01But, uh, wide receiver 23 and targets per game.
25:03I probably would have thought he's going to be higher than that.
25:07Um, they at least got him on that little end around for 14 yards, broke a tackle there.
25:12But yeah, it's been like maybe a half step worse than I thought it was going to be.
25:17I feel pretty similar to how Hayden does where the floor is just a little lower than I wanted it to be.
25:23I do think that, um, Jalen Waddle has got to be having a little bit of PTSD when it comes to the,
25:30to how fast he would get that ball out and get to the check down.
25:34Like Bo Nix is so it's egregious. Sometimes you got to let that play develop man before you get to the RJ Harvey check down.
25:41I mean, Harvey's receiving usage is absurd and I don't know that those plays are all that good for the offense.
25:47So, uh, that was something that Waddle experienced a lot.
25:50Certainly, uh, with the Miami dolphins where the balls out before the routes can even really develop.
25:55And yeah, I think his route tree is a little bit more vertical than I would have thought.
26:00Um, you know, I thought there were going to be more kind of gimmies in here, but they've spread that thing out
26:07a little bit more than I would have thought.
26:09But still at the same time, Niners this week, chargers, uh, the week after that, I mean, Waddle is going to be
26:16in my lineup every single week and you're just going to have to kind of live with some of the ups and downs.
26:22Yeah. We kind of have to ping pong it here a little bit where it's the 49ers, which might be a little bit rough this week.
26:30Then we get the chargers. That's nice. Then it's Seattle.
26:33Then it's Arizona. Then it's the chiefs. Then it's the Panthers.
26:36So it's almost like an off and on type thing.
26:39And rather than being once again, this consistent top 12 potential wide receiver that was in the range of outcomes.
26:44I thought, uh, he might kind of settle into, you know, the wide receiver two slash three territory that we actually drafted him in.
26:51That's going to have some highs and some lows on top of it.
26:55But guess what? That is what fancy football is at this point.
26:58Hey, anything you want to add about the running back room without Jenna Coleman here?
27:03It was kind of the same thing with JK Dobbins getting the early down work.
27:07Then RJ Harvey's going to mix in for, for some of the, the check downs, but also some of like the manufacturer touches in the red area.
27:15Dobbins has a 24% rushing success rate. Watching that game back, the center is really struggling.
27:19The tight ends are also struggling as well. I think that JK Dobbins does not look quite as fast as like he
27:26used to, but I think a lot of these plays are kind of like dead on arrival at this point.
27:32We have not seen the goal line touchdowns for JK Dobbins.
27:35I think that will get better. And I think the schedule like was pretty rough to open up.
27:40You get spags, the Jaguars and the Rams. They're like, those are probably three potential top 10 defenses this year to open up the schedule.
27:47So I wouldn't be surprised. Like Dobbins kind of settles in as like a playable flex.
27:52I think RJ Harvey's kind of right there as well.
27:55And then hopefully Waddle can kind of get things going, but I don't, I don't really expect Harvey to eat into JK
28:01Dobbins early down work for a little bit here.
28:04Yeah. I'll just maintain that this back, it really doesn't matter.
28:07And the scene just kind of has to play better.
28:10Not any of them to matter. If I'm just a little nervous, Matt, that JK Dobbins is going to be fancy relevant for us this season.
28:17Yeah. And in the run game, just the way it has been right now from a success standpoint and the lack of
28:23it with JK Dobbins, I think it's also put the offense in bad down and distance situations too.
28:29So hopefully that can get corrected. And I think the point is right here that there's a lot of things going on
28:35with, I think JK Dobbins, maybe look, he's another year older, a lot of injuries, not a lot of tread on the
28:41tires, but a lot of injuries on the car here.
28:44And that also just run game schemes a little, it's just the Davis web part of it.
28:49It still remains like, what was, what was the point of all this?
28:53Are we sure this was the best idea for the football team?
28:56And certainly you feel that in both the run of the past game.
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29:41The crown is yours. New starting quarterback for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
29:44His name is Jalen Daniels, a story we don't hear very often.
29:47An undrafted free agent quarterback, earned the quarterback two job in training camp.
29:51That is quite uncommon. You know, Baker Mayfield is out at least three weeks with a dislocated thumb.
29:56Hayden, Baker Mayfield has been one of the worst starting quarterbacks in the league.
30:00He has a magnet to contact. His throwing stuff has been brutal on top of it.
30:05Could Jalen Daniels actually be a positive when we look at him at Kikbuca's season for the next three or four games?
30:11I'm serious. I'm not sure about that. We're talking about undrafted free agent.
30:15I will say this. I did go back and watch all this preseason stuff.
30:19And then obviously there's like just Hail Mary attempts there.
30:22He wants to throw the ball deep. I think his arm is pretty live.
30:26He's not super mobile, but he can run a little bit.
30:29And he's played a bunch of snaps. Every single person that's really been around him has said he's really smart.
30:35And then, you know, like Nate Tice was like saying, hey, this guy's kind of nice.
30:40And then I was listening to Greg Cosell talk about his favorite player in the draft was Jalen Daniels.
30:45Like there's more to the story than other undrafted free agents.
30:48But at the same time, like what? There's a one in 10 chance that he like has a little spark here.
30:54You know, it's just like kind of the history of the being a rookie quarterback as an undrafted free agent.
31:00I mean, I'm open to anything, Josh, because this is open.
31:03I think I think this has been the most annoying team to watch or the most frustrating team to watch, which is
31:10saying something through the first three weeks of the season, because there's so much that looks good from a design standpoint.
31:16Like Ted Hurst has given him a little something.
31:18Some I think Emeka Buka has been just wide open on so many plays.
31:22And then him and I don't know if it's like Mayfield and him aren't on the same page, which is bizarre because
31:29they played a whole season together last year. And I love the way they're getting a Buka in motion.
31:34He, to me, is a great I mean, it's hard to say because, I mean, Mayfield's, I guess, tied to this team for the long term.
31:41But a Buka feels like a guy that in three weeks is going to be an awesome dynasty by if Jalen Daniels comes out and doesn't play well.
31:50But I'm open to anything because Baker has been that bad.
31:53Like he truly has been the number one problem for this team.
31:56And he's not the only problem. I mean, Bucky Irving looks good.
32:00But Bucky Irving also, he'll have like three great plays and then a backbreaking mistake to go along with it, too.
32:06The offensive line is supposed to be one of the best units in the league.
32:10And I think it's probably more of a schematic or, you know, Baker Mayfield not identifying blitzes coming in because they're just getting smoked by these blitzes.
32:18And the pressure looks from Flores in week three, which everybody does.
32:21But still, like this is a veteran quarterback, veteran offensive line.
32:24It shouldn't be this bad. But my God, this team has been brutal, brutal to watch through three weeks.
32:30Yeah. The two things about the Bucks heading into the season was that their offensive line was supposed to be top three in the league.
32:37And then, you know, they were supposed to add a whole bunch of their pass rush with Ruben Bain and some other players.
32:44And that just hasn't quite worked out as planned.
32:46And so if like the two gold star maybe focuses of your offseason aren't painting out, then you're in a struggle.
32:52And their own three. Hayden, I went back and watched the same thing.
32:56Like with Jalen Daniels, he stands in the pocket.
32:59He's willing to stand and deliver there. He has a strong arm.
33:02He will work over the middle of the field, which is where a lot of the Mecca Buka stuff is going to happen.
33:09Again, I don't want to shout for the rooftops.
33:11This guy's going to be, you know, the next XYZ quarterback that we've seen make this huge transition from undrafted free agent.
33:18However, again, it's been so brutal with Baker and they get the Green Bay Packers this week, albeit off a couple extra
33:24days rest, but they are struggling at every level of their defense too.
33:28I'm slightly optimistic here that it might not, you know, reach the peaks of where we drafted Mecca Buka, but at least
33:34like give some flow to this offense in a way that it just has felt disjointed and broken these last couple of weeks.
33:41He's still the wide receiver 26 and usage like the underlying stats have been like totally fine.
33:46I think that they're still like working to get him to like be the guy in the offense.
33:51Like you just see like the motion snaps like he's moving across the formation.
33:55Um, and I think he is getting pretty open as well.
33:58Like Matt, uh, said there, uh, pivoting to the, the running back situation.
34:02Fourth quarter was very interesting. Bucky Irving got absolutely truck stick in, in pass protection.
34:06And I don't know if he had like a setback to his shoulder or if they just like outright benched him, but he did not play.
34:13They put ice on his hip. All Kenny Gatwell.
34:16Okay. So his hip, not his shoulder. That, I guess that's, I guess that's fine.
34:20Um, but he got absolutely lit up there and he had a drop in this game.
34:25It's, it's up and down with Bucky. Like he makes somebody miss in, uh, between the tackles.
34:30And then I think kind of the rest of everything with Bucky Irving has not been like that clean as well.
34:36Matt, can I ask you one question? We have Jalen McMillan who's hurt again for the next what?
34:41Six or eight or nine weeks. Um, Ted Hurst has been playing a ton of snaps.
34:46Ted Hurst is the only player of his styling on this offense.
34:49Ted Hurst had a 40 yard touchdown down the scene.
34:52That was quite nice. He was at a ton of high variance targets against the Cleveland Browns, uh, in pivotal situations.
34:58What have you seen from Ted Hurst coming out of Georgia state?
35:02Yeah. Jalen McMillan. It's unfortunate. He just, I just don't think he can stay healthy.
35:06It's like one thing after another with him, uh, which is unfortunate because he's flashed a little bit.
35:11Ted Hurst is some good. Some bad is the way I would describe it.
35:15Um, which is kind of the case, honestly, for all of these rookies, some good, some bad.
35:20Um, you know, I think I need to see more to kind of consider him as a fantasy option or someone that should even be rostered.
35:27Uh, but certainly like he's out there for every single snap.
35:31He's going to pretty much be out there for every single snap because he's an ex receiver.
35:36And I think he's had some impressive moments in isolated looks against press man coverage.
35:40But, you know, to Hayden's point, like you can tell when you watch a team who they're designing things around and it's
35:46so clearly focused on like, um, I should be getting the ball 10 times a game.
35:51The fact that he doesn't is, is pretty concerning, but I do like, I think Ted Hurst is off to a nice start to his NFL career.
35:59And I could see him being, depending on what the hell this offense looks like, I could see him being a back
36:05half of the season type of player. And I say that because they live out of 11 personnel.
36:10You know, they, they don't have multiple tight ends that they like to use as much.
36:15And so he's just going to play a ton of snaps for here and outs.
36:19Um, yeah, go ahead, Matt. I mentioned that all these tight end route stats earlier.
36:23Kate Otten is up there with like 34 routes per game.
36:26It's just like, not like nothing happens. Wind sprints, but like five yards down the football field.
36:31So yeah. Chris Godwin right now is wide receiver 57 in points per game, 6.3, 7.3, and then four points this past week.
36:38Um, I will say an 85 yard touchdown called back.
36:41It was a correct call. I mean, it was a hold Baker Mayfield would have gotten leveled, but it did show, uh,
36:47maybe the most juice that Chris Godwin has shown, uh, over the last two years.
36:52Okay. Next team. Let's talk about the San Francisco 49ers.
36:54Uh, Brock Purdy is just playing MVP level football right now.
36:58Uh, I mean, an easy question is you want to know one reason why Purdy is still thriving despite all of his wide receivers getting hurt.
37:05It's because the 49ers have only allowed 12 pressures in true pass sets all season long.
37:10So again, and this is all connected and Purdy in plays where he has to elongate them or he has to win against pressure.
37:17He's doing that, but so consistently, uh, he is giving a platform success and he is thriving.
37:21Yeah. Not to take anything away from Brock Purdy, who's hasn't made like a negative play yet, but the environment right now is lights out.
37:29There just became the 10th offense to not have a sack in the first three weeks ever.
37:34And like there's four Dan, uh, Dan Marino teams in there, a couple of Peyton Manning teams in there as well.
37:40And then on first read throws, EPA per drop back 49ers are number one by a mile at almost a full point,
37:46uh, of the expected points added per, uh, drop back there.
37:49Uh, by the way, the Patriots dead last are actually in the negative.
37:53So the first reads are open. They're wide open frequently.
37:56Like the Georgia Gittle stuff. Like so many of his targets are wide open down the football field.
38:01Then you throw in the little hook and ladder stuff.
38:04Like everything is smooth right now. And the rest of the offensive line, aside from Trent Williams is playing well.
38:10And it really helps that Brock Purdy is like making the quickest decisions ever out there and he can scramble around too.
38:16So I'm not trying to take anything away from Brock Purdy has been excellent, but the rest of the environment around him has been equally as good.
38:24Yeah. Also, I'm not taking anything away from Brock Purdy too, but he's authored probably the two best quarterback games we've seen
38:30so far this year from an adjusted net yards per attempt perspective, EPA per drop back.
38:35They did come against the dolphins and the Cardinals schedule.
38:37It's a little tougher here. Broncos this week, uh, Seahawks the week after that in Seattle, I will say Denver though, you
38:44can pick on the linebackers in coverage and that's pretty much what Kyle Shanahan lives for.
38:48And they have a lot of players to do that.
38:51They don't necessarily have a lot of players, uh, at the wide receiver position.
38:55They're running Cadarrel Hodge out there. Um, the lot of dudes I do not have in the reception perception database.
39:01I'll just say. Well, Matt, I was going to ask you about the wide receivers because again, Mike Evans has had a
39:07very nice start to the season after his stop start preseason with the groin and the quad and all this type of stuff.
39:14Um, but now we have a rib on top of it and we haven't even gotten to the hamstrings yet.
39:20So I'm not trying to be again, negative Norris and talk about Mike Evans impending doom.
39:24However, the wide receiver room, let's say if he is banged up or a 50% or even the 30% snap player this
39:31week, uh, it is Debo Samuel who had an 80 yard hook and lateral and didn't have a catch.
39:36No DeMarcus Robinson. And so Joel Smith out of nowhere from the heavens brings up Jordan Watkins name on the waiver wire
39:43show with his two catches for 60 yards, despite him only playing like 30% of snaps.
39:47And then other than that, it's like Christian Kirk might be coming back in week five.
39:52You, you get a Brandon cooks maybe moving up and then yeah, Cadarrel Hodge running, running, running a ton of wind, wind sprints.
39:58So I guess my question is, can any of these guys be relevant for us in an offense that we definitely want pieces of?
40:05I think, God, this is crazy, but I think cooks could maybe give something if he gets to the active roster at
40:12some point, cause he's a really smart player. Kyle Shanahan is notoriously super demanding on these wide receivers and he did make
40:18some impact for the Buffalo bills last year in an offense.
40:21That's a lot more loosey goosey. So I think this is a situation where cooks, if he could get up there could actually maybe be in fantasy consideration.
40:29Other than that, like, I don't really know how to calibrate to the Watkins and the Hodgins to the Cadarrel Hodge types of the world.
40:36So yeah, I'll give a, I'll give a quick little hat tip to Brandon cooks.
40:41If he can get to the roster. I will say Debo Samuel's getting really close to being a top 20 wide receiver for me.
40:48If Mike Evans is out, you know, I think that he, he looks, he looks really fast.
40:52Like that on that 80 yarder, he had to, he had to actually beat the safety up the sideline for that.
40:59And he was able to do that. And they're just still doing some backfield stuff.
41:03Some, and you know, like the, the typical Debo.
41:05So I think that's excellent. And then George Kittle is just keeps getting wide open that, that play action touchdown late in
41:12the game where they didn't even need it was like so hilarious that they got every linebacker to bite there.
41:18And he just looks a little bit faster and he, I think he slipped to the first game a couple of times
41:24there, but since then he hasn't slipped at all.
41:26He's just running full speed and he looks awesome.
41:29Yeah. Production is a great chart up here with the 49ers wide receiver finished usage 27th or 28th, excuse me, across the league.
41:36And so the answer to my question is probably not that it's just going to flow through Kittle and CMC and Debo Samuel.
41:42And that's it. Like we have seen this song and dance before with the 49ers and they're still going to put up,
41:49you know, 25, 26, 30 points doing that. Also CMC is only giving up touches if you know, this team's up by 10 plus points.
41:56And so Caelan Blacklight not getting anything here. Okay.
41:58Let's move on. Let's talk about the Pittsburgh Steelers who are a rollercoaster organization themselves.
42:03Hayden. But one of your favorite picks in all of fantasy football paid off in week three.
42:08Jalen Warren had an awesome day as the only running back on this team.
42:12So I guess that leads me to this question.
42:14Will the role maintain what it was in week three, if and when Rico data returns from this toe injury, like did Jalen Warren do enough for that?
42:22Or is it going to kind of go back to this split backfield stuff where he was averaging fewer than nine points per game?
42:29I thought in week one and week two, Jalen Warren was significantly better than Rico Dattle.
42:34I would say in every phase as a receiver, pass protector and rusher.
42:38And then this last game, he was excellent. And then in the interim, and I think Rico Dattle is still in a
42:44walking boot and they play on Thursday night football.
42:46So I think it's gonna be Jalen Warren again here on Thursday night.
42:50Since week two, Warren has played 106 of 114 snaps without Rico Dattle.
42:54They do not use anybody else out there. Like when you get to 93% snaps, you are pretty much a low end
43:00RB one, whether you want to accept it or not.
43:03They get the Browns here, the slight favorite. So I feel really strong about him.
43:07He had 19.1 half PPR points, RB 14 usage.
43:10And that turf monster, that really was the reason why he wasn't like a top three, top four fantasy running back last week.
43:17Yeah. Seven running backs this year have had a game where there've been over 90% of the team touches.
43:22They averaged 21.5 points in those games. And for the most part, it's like two Jameer Gibbs games, two Jonathan Taylor games and an HN game.
43:30The only kind of down one. And then James Cook.
43:33So that's where, that's where Jalen Warren is going to rank.
43:36As long as there's no Rico Dattle, it's, it's a, it's a pretty cut and dry case.
43:41I think he's good. I would like to see, I would actually like to see more of Jalen Warren on a routine basis.
43:47Yeah. This passing attack. Did it move you at all, Matt?
43:50I mean, it probably looked the best that it has all season long there.
43:54Not really. A lot of busted coverages from Cincinnati.
43:57A lot of miscommunications there. It was pretty much the same old stuff where, yeah, when it's a clean look for a rod, look at that.
44:04I was going to say, when it is a perfectly clean look and it's mostly like up the seam, it's not a
44:11lot of these in cut routes consistently. You know, getting Michael Pittman back.
44:15That's, that's nice. Although I don't know that they had the best connection in the world in week three.
44:20That's for sure. Roman Wilson showed a little something.
44:23And this is the thing with Roman Wilson is he's an explosive player.
44:26He, I don't know. He's a, he's a fast player.
44:29Like he can, he can move and people mistake that a lot for good route running.
44:34I think he's not a good route runner whatsoever.
44:36He doesn't really know. This is one where, you know, Aaron Rogers throws guys under the bus.
44:41He's constantly mad at people for landmarks. This is one where I actually, I'm kind of on Aaron's side when it comes to the Roman Wilson thing.
44:49Cause he is a pretty, he's a pretty sloppy receiver overall, but.
44:53When you are the slot based player and you're running these routes where.
44:56The, the damn Bengals can't cover these players. It's going to happen sometimes for you.
45:01So I, I overall think this is kind of a one game sample size for the team.
45:06But you know, it was good to see something interesting out of the Steelers offense.
45:10Cause they were a tough watch the first two weeks.
45:13Yeah. Jack Miller pointed this out. The Roman Wilson, after his drop turned into interception, played 20 snaps.
45:18Then Jeremy Bernard only two. And then afterwards looks like Aaron Rogers made the call that Jeremy Bernard then played 15 and Roman Wilson just five.
45:25Yeah. The passing chart for Aaron Rogers looks exactly like how you attack the Cincinnati Bengals.
45:30I mean, it's exactly where Dalton Schultz called 14 passes or whatever it was.
45:34It's just that point over the middle of the field, linebackers, safeties.
45:37And I would expect every single offense to attack the Bengals in this way.
45:41And we'll see if, if the Steelers can kind of carry this along.
45:45Hayden, one final point. I don't know if you saw this from Joe Goodberry, who is excellent out there.
45:51We're going to talk offensive lineman here for a moment.
45:54Mason McCormick, who is the left guard for the Pittsburgh Steelers was having an interesting and had an interesting technique.
45:59And I wish we could show it, but to let's say get Dexter Lawrence off his anchor.
46:04He basically was blocking at the waist and then attacking a single leg like it's amateur wrestling, lifting it up off the grounds.
46:11So he couldn't anchor and then moving him in that regard.
46:14And so basically forcing him off balance and he was doing it over and over and over again.
46:19And so good eyes for Joe for recognizing this.
46:22And I do wonder if this is something that maybe our buddy Ryan Paganetti might post out there and might get the league's attention a little bit more.
46:30That's a big leg to move around for Dexter Lawrence.
46:33But I understand making up moves there. I would just say my offensive lineup for the Steelers, Max Liannacher, a first rounder for the right tackle.
46:40He is a freak athlete. They gave him some pretty difficult assignments in the run game where he had to really get over to some three techniques.
46:48And he was excellent on those blocks. Those are not easy blocks.
46:51And I thought he handled himself very well. And that was a boom bust prospect.
46:56And he didn't throw a complete no hitter. But that was as promising of a right tackle debut as you could possibly imagine.
47:02Yeah, you saw the two totally different performances against the Cincinnati Bengals defensive line with what the Steelers did compared to in
47:09week two what the Houston Texans did. And it shows you the difference what that can do.
47:14And if I mean, this is a big if if Steelers pass catchers hit this year consistently, like the offensive line has to be there.
47:21So this is, I think, a pretty good outcome for us in that capacity so far through the first three weeks, especially in Iron Hatchers debut.
47:28Okay, let's talk about the New York Giants and Jameis Winston's re-entry as a starting quarterback on a full-time basis.
47:34Matt, I'll send it to you first. Package, Jameis Winston, along with right now Malik Navers being the worst third-round pick on the board.
47:41Is there any hope for our guy? No, I don't think so.
47:44Okay, great. I mean, neighbors will look better on tape than he does right now because I think it just doesn't.
47:50I mean, I thought week three was not great for him.
47:54A step back actually from where he maybe looked in week one.
47:57And this is how this comes. This is with guys when they're coming back from these serious injuries like they can go up and down.
48:04So not totally surprising there. Jameis looks brutal. I mean, I think the weather played a role in week three, but he
48:11also didn't look great in week two. As I said to Hayden on the recap show, he looked like a guy who
48:17spent all summer being a content creator. But yeah, this is what it is.
48:21It's the stuff downfield. He's not getting open. Winston is also not getting the ball to him.
48:26And it has to be all these quick designer passes.
48:29And by the way, this is going to be one of the most run heavy teams.
48:33I didn't have 10 straight run plays in that game, which I think culminated in a Cam Scadaboo wildcat formation that went absolutely.
48:40It went I was gonna say it went nowhere.
48:43It went seven yards backwards. So not great for the New York Giants right now.
48:47I think I think this offense looks like it could just be like it's over before it began for this offense.
48:53And I just to me, ultimately, Josh, I just continue to be nervous that, you know, we'll get J.J.
48:58McCarthy starting by week six. And by week nine, Malik neighbors decides, you know what, I'm gonna get shoulder surgery and get this thing fixed.
49:06There's no floor anymore, Josh. You know, that's the reality of it.
49:09It was a one yards down the field was average depth of target there.
49:13And to Matt's point, the lowest neutral pass rate of the week at 29%.
49:17It really comes down to how much could we say that was just the rain?
49:21Because on tape, that was maybe the worst arm strength I've seen from a quarterback the entire year.
49:27Every single play that Jameis threw was short. It was flat.
49:30It had no zip. If you had to try to drive the ball over the middle, defenders were getting their hands on it.
49:36If he was trying to get the ball to the flat, that was hitting the turf.
49:41If he was just trying to hit Isaiah Likely on the most basic hitch route, six yards in front of him, Isaiah
49:47Likely just putting his hands out and defending it himself.
49:50So I'm not sure. You could read into it that they had to trade for J.J.
49:55McCarthy because they watched the two games of Jameis Winston.
49:58And we're like, his arm just might not be NFL caliber anymore.
50:01And I think that's my big concern here. And then once J.J.
50:05McCarthy gets in there, he's going to have to learn a new offense and he's never been good in the NFL.
50:11He's not going to save the situation either. So I'm extremely concerned for neighbors and Likely now.
50:16They just gave Winston a contract extension and then gave up a fifth round pick for a guy that they hope is their long-term backup behind Dart.
50:23Yeah, I think you're exactly right, Hayden. They watched the guy who's been trying to be a meme for the last few years play like a meme.
50:31And here we are. I think this is pretty rough.
50:34And as Hayden knows, like there were even mentions of this from insiders ahead of the performance against the Tennessee Titans.
50:40So I kind of wonder if the decision makers watched Jameis all through training camp.
50:44And despite giving him an extra two and a half million dollars by the kindness of their heart as a glue guy,
50:51it's like, hey, the glue guy can't go in there and start for us the rest of the season.
50:56Because despite, again, losing Jackson Dart, despite losing Brian Burns, Harbaugh wants to, in his first season, not wave the white flag
51:02and instill this competitive nature, I guess. It's an organization that he believes will trickle down into future seasons, which on some level is admirable.
51:10At the same time, Hayden, it is a fifth round pick.
51:13And right now, the Giants only have five remaining draft picks in the 2027 class, which was a draft class that no
51:19one wanted to trade any selections away in last year's and during last year's NFL draft.
51:24So they have a first, second, third rounder, then two sixths, and that's it.
51:28That's it. So J.J. McCarthy is starting games this year.
51:31Yes? I think so. I'm looking at they have a week eight by week.
51:35The week sevens in Houston, I think that would be pretty rough to throw J.J.
51:39McCarthy in there. So I would say most likely scenario would be like week nine or beyond unless it was just the rain.
51:46And then that's what made James Winston look so bad.
51:49But I'm nervous. But Matt, I will say I am more confident about whatever is left in the tank for Malik neighbors this season with J.J.
51:56McCarthy than I am with what J.J. Winston just put out there.
51:59Like J.J. is a totally different quarterback than the one that people fell in love with previously as, you know, this quote unquote gunslinger.
52:06Like he has a different style now. He doesn't have a gun left.
52:10The arm, as you guys said, yes, to two concerned defenses down the field.
52:14And so everyone is just going to sit on everything and play aggressive in front and drive.
52:19And that means he also has to be great in the quick game.
52:23And I don't think that Jameis and the quick game has ever been used in the same sentence positively.
52:28So I need J.J. McCarthy to be the starting quarterback for this team.
52:32And I wasn't going to say that ever with the Minnesota Vikings this year.
52:36Do you want to revisit the quick game tape with McCarthy last year for the Minnesota Vikings?
52:41I mean, throwing it as hard as you possibly can because you're late seeing it.
52:45I mean, I was like, yeah, I agree with you.
52:48It's not it's not happening with Jameis, but I don't think the McCarthy stuff is is going to get any better.
52:54I was just saying this all roads lead back to Cam Scadaboo.
52:58Like they want him to touch the ball a million times.
53:01They're going to have to. I saw some tweets like Najee Harris looks good.
53:05I don't know what they were watching. I thought Najee Harris looked terrible.
53:09He was slipping and sliding. There was some wide open holes for him that I did not think that he can hit.
53:15I can't get over the size difference between his left leg and his right leg.
53:19Cam Scadaboo was not the cleanest game from him, but he's still catching the ball.
53:24He still had goal line carries and they just need his energy and just like they need someone to absorb a bunch of touches.
53:30I think that's what he's going to do. Okay, I asked this question from Pukenikua, so we'll close with this with the Giants as well.
53:38What would you trade away? What would you trade Malik neighbors for?
53:41Let's put it that way. And look, we are well beyond the T Higgins Zay Flowers territory.
53:46So Matt, would you trade Malik neighbors straight up for Michael Wilson?
53:49Wow. I mean, I have going into this week.
53:52I'm asking because he's wide receiver 23 at this point in points per game.
53:56Yeah, no, I mean, I was going to say I have going into this week.
54:00I have neighbors. It's very early, but wide receiver 21 and I have Michael Wilson at wide receiver 19 and Michael Wilson.
54:07We're going to talk about it is actually good.
54:09So I don't know if I could live with the screenshot, but I might, but I might want to live with the points.
54:16And would you click accept or do you have another name that you would throw out there that people should pursue with their Malik neighbors?
54:23Like Matthew Golden. I would rather have Matthew Golden than Malik neighbors.
54:27I think Michael Wilson's a great call as well.
54:29It's nobody in that round four, five, six price.
54:32You're not getting DJ more. I don't think like you're not getting Parker.
54:36You got to scroll. Could you get lad? Maybe.
54:38Is that the Spider-Man meme? Yeah, I'm there. Yeah, I'm there.
54:41Terry McLaurin after let's go straight into that. Okay, let's talk about the Washington commanders here.
54:46They're up next. Hayden, what is real now for the commanders that we have Marcus Mariota starting for at least the next?
54:52It seems like two to three weeks. I mean, Jane Daniels needs to have surgery, but he doesn't want to have surgery now.
54:59He wants to return. But from what I saw in this massive upset for the commanders against the Seahawks was David Blau, the play caller, showing awesome stuff.
55:07I mean, there were quick snaps early to prevent like this pre and post snap movement that confuses so many other quarterbacks.
55:13And also with the Seahawks having new safeties back there, they lack the communication and the stability to recognize that.
55:19So they got Terry McLaurin open on the third and 10 for a gain of 11.
55:24He also utilizes sweet Rashad White motion that in week one from one side of the field to the opposite into a trips bunch.
55:31That was then thrown to Rashad White in week one.
55:33This time they kept Jalen Lane at the end as a number three and then utilize a tunnel screen out of that to gain 30 plus yards.
55:41So David Blau was another one of these play callers as a first timer in his bag.
55:46And along with Marcus Mariota Hayden hanging in the pocket against pressure and firing some dots.
55:51I like the David Blau returns early. They're doing some funky stuff, but it like makes sense with the players that they have on the roster as well.
55:59And then Mariota, like he's just in command. Like that was a experienced player making all the right checks at the line
56:05of scrimmage, doing some like dangerous things. I had like real nice returns running the ball in like third and nines.
56:11But since 2024, Mariota is the quarterback 15 in EPA for drop back, quarterback 10 success rate, quarterback four in completion percentage
56:17over expected in the quarterback one in average depth of throw.
56:21And it's the two last stats, completion percentage over expected and average depth of throw where he's both top five there.
56:27That's how Terry McLaurin can can survive here. Like Marcus Mariota wants to throw the ball down the football field and like
56:33somebody that comeback routes against zone coverage where some other quarterbacks don't feel comfortable.
56:37Like he's going to give Terry McLaurin a chance there.
56:40Obviously had the double move against Josh Jobe as well.
56:43But I thought there was some awesome like deep route, deep out routes on Terry McLaurin's tape in Terry or in Marcus
56:49Mariota like wants to throw him the football there.
56:52So he is not a conservative backup, but he's an aggressive backup.
56:55And I think that's how both Terry McLaurin and Steph Diggs can be in our starting fantasy lines, mostly as a wider receiver threes.
57:02But you can get nervous with Terry McLaurin with other backup quarterbacks.
57:06But Mariota is like pushing the ball down the field and think that he's going to hold the line.
57:11Mariota should have gotten a free agency and should have been the Vikings starting quarterback.
57:15He would really have been a good fit in this offense.
57:18But, you know, neither here nor there. Yeah. Terry McLaurin, big game that I hand up, did not see coming against the Seattle Seahawks.
57:25I love your points. Yeah, of course. I love your points about David Blau in week three, Josh.
57:31I had a lot of the same things written down here because I think I said this to Nate on 301 that
57:37week one, not a good debut for the hey, I was a backup quarterback yesterday crowd at the offensive coordinator position.
57:43But I mean, while Davis Webb kind of stayed the same, Sean Mania maybe has gotten worse through three weeks.
57:49David Blau has definitely gotten better each and every single week.
57:52And being able to defeat some of that disguise coverage was really good.
57:56And I mean, Terry McLaurin, like getting him in the slot for a deep corner route, a deep outbreaker.
58:01Really good to see there. His slot rate is 20.
58:04Yeah, 21.6 percent, which I know doesn't sound like a lot.
58:07It's is easily his highest rate since 2021 for Terry McLaurin.
58:10So a lot of vertical routes, but also they'll throw him just these quick slants, which that started in Dallas in week two, continues into week three.
58:18And the other interesting thing about the receiver usage that I noted, you know, Traylon Burks caught the touchdown that, you know, that's fine.
58:25He actually out routed Antonio Williams in this game to Traylon Burks, but it's all space clearing sacrificial stuff.
58:30He's targeted on 10.5 percent of his routes. Antonio Williams, 40 percent.
58:34I really like Antonio Williams. I think his film's been good.
58:37He's somebody that maybe could pop for them eventually.
58:40But having him play less and having Burks play more is good for Terry McLaurin and Stefan Diggs.
58:45Yeah, we're still getting 30 percent Deami Brown, too.
58:47So, you know, David, you're doing great in some areas, but some of this wide receiver rotation stuff we can improve on.
58:54Yeah, I mean, arguably that is the most difficult matchup that the commanders have on their schedule for at least the next two weeks.
59:01I mean, it's the Colts and the Giants over the next two weeks.
59:04Then you have a tough stretch from the 49ers, the Eagles and the Rams, at least on paper.
59:10But we end this thing with like, you know, the Cardinals, the Titans and the Falcons and some of those games.
59:16I mean, it's an up and down schedule that has some nice pockets.
59:19And I think we can kind of pick our spots that are the best weeks for for the Washington commanders.
59:25And we have no idea when Jane Daniels comes back.
59:28But, Hayden, we've talked about Marcus Mariota on this channel for like the last three plus years.
59:33And among backup quarterbacks and keep this thing going and even thrive in certain matchups.
59:37He is up there near the top of the list.
59:40And the commanders, yes, they're only projected for 22 points this week.
59:44I expect them to maybe go over that. I think he's the best backup quarterback in the league.
59:49And Steph Diggs is getting a lot of the manufacturer touches as well.
59:52I think that he still looks really explosive in this one as well.
59:56So I will have both commanders wide receivers inside my top 30.
60:00I think both of them are playable. And then I think the fact that Mariota is keeping this thing afloat is like
60:06good news for the running back rotation. There was some news Rashad White had a little shoulder injury that he was playing through.
60:13They signed Eckler. But to me, it was Ja'Cory Kroski-Meritt.
60:16I didn't know that he had a 48-yard touchdown called back by an illegal formation that had nothing to do with the play.
60:22That was a pretty awesome moment for Bill there.
60:25He showed a little bit more speed on that play than anyone else in the backfield.
60:29So 12.5 expected half-feet-yard ones did not do anything in the box score.
60:33But the Seahawks don't give up 48-yard touchdowns. I think that's a promising start for Bill here.
60:38And I think that he's slowly climbing up my running back rankings.
60:41And that running back three land has taken a beating the last couple weeks.
60:45And I think that Bill is actually the guy that I would probably be saying he's like a flex by low to me at this point.
60:53Yeah, like after Chuba Hubbard, when we're talking about running backs that you drafted, Bill might have like the best chance of
60:59being fantasy relevant among all those ball carriers. Yeah, it is a true you had to watch the game type thing with
61:06Bill because Rashad White got the touchdown on the receiving end.
61:09And then Bill's kind of got wiped away. So the box scores might avert your eyes in that department.
61:14Okay, let's close up the top 10, Matt, with the Arizona Cardinals here.
61:18I'll save the Jeremiah Love conversation for Hayden. And for you, Matt, I need to bring up Michael Wilson.
61:23Simple question. Why is he getting points and yards and production in this offense and Marvin Harrison Jr.
61:29isn't? What is it about him that is different?
61:31I mean, the roles are definitely very, very different.
61:34But Michael Wilson is good. I mean, Michael Wilson is this.
61:37I had these guys ranked in the same tier and ADP wasn't even close.
61:41And obviously, my ranking on Marv looks bad. Anybody's ranking on Marv looks bad right now because Marv is just not.
61:47It's just not going to happen with this vertical X receiver role that he's playing in.
61:52But for Wilson, they designed a ton of stuff for him.
61:55First read looks. Get the ball out quick. You know, seven catches against zone coverage in week three.
62:00But it's not just all Mickey Mouse nonsense where there was a lot of just like quick pepper him.
62:05But a few explosive plays on out cuts. And, you know, that's something that Marv, I assume, Marv, Michael Wilson has done consistently since he's gotten.
62:13Like, he's always been a good player. He was just under prioritized and which was really frustrating in the last offense.
62:19But, you know, good to see for Michael Wilson.
62:22He's legitimately a really, really good player. He ended up being my most drafted receiver this year because on just so many
62:28platforms, even our platform, his ADP was so low.
62:31Wasn't feeling that great about it necessarily in the first two weeks.
62:34But I hope he can continue to get this usage.
62:37And I think there's more meat on the bone for this entire offense.
62:41Like, at some point, Michael is going to watch this thing and just see like Jacoby Reset can keep the ship afloat.
62:47But is never going to access any of the downfield throws for any of these guys.
62:52I don't know if Carson Beck will either, but at some point they're going to want to see some of these downfield throws activated.
62:58Michael Wilson, Marvin Harrison, all these guys. Michael Wilson is awesome, man.
63:02Like, I don't even know what I would say he's not good at.
63:06The breaking routes were excellent. Like, throughout the game, there was a fourth and one slant win that they needed them.
63:12They can do some screens. I think they threw three of them there.
63:15His touchdown was a little first retarget play action.
63:1813 personnel where that used to be Marvin. Now it's Michael Wilson near the goal line on that route.
63:23And then he nearly moths that touchdown through the defender shoulder pads out there.
63:28And then there was another play, toe tapper, that was nearly a touchdown as well.
63:32We have a diving catch. Like, that was one of the best games that you can see at wide receivers.
63:38Like, all levels of the field. And all of a sudden, he's the wide receiver 7 in usage.
63:43And if you look back, like, the last eight games with Marvin Harrison, he's got a 22% target share.
63:48He's the wide receiver 24 on wide receiver 18 usage.
63:51That removes, like, those crazy games where Marvin Harrison wasn't active.
63:54Like, this is, like, the games where both these guys have been healthy.
63:58And Michael Wilson's been, like, a fantasy starter. So, like, I kind of just want to take this for, like, what it's worth.
64:05And it's like, Michael Wilson is an every week starter.
64:08And I'm going to park him, like, probably at the wide receiver 2-3 border.
64:12But there was a flash that he was the wide receiver 1 overall.
64:15Like, there's a chance that we're, like, still, like, really discounting what Michael Wilson is doing.
64:20Just because the first game against the Chargers and the second game against the Seahawks were kind of duds.
64:25But the rest of the games for Michael Wilson have been, like, wide receiver 1 caliber.
64:30Yeah, the market just had it wrong this summer.
64:33I mean, he was drafted after Marvin Harrison Jr.
64:35in every single draft. Despite all of us seeing him play better than Marvin Harrison Jr.
64:40ever has over an 8-game sample. So, that's just something that I want to keep in mind moving forward.
64:45Hayden, let's talk about Jeremiah Love. Sorry. Sorry. Go ahead.
64:48I was just going to say, go for it, Matt.
64:51This is the problem with the targets are earned thing, is that, like, the system dictated that Marv would get those looks
64:57when he was in there over Michael Wilson. Because he was the X.
65:01And, like, that's just the way the progressions go in Drew Petsing's offense.
65:05Whereas this, it's going to be a little bit more equitable.
65:08And Marv is in a role where, at some point, he will have games and moments when the defensive looks dictate that
65:14for the big play sacrificial X receiver. But Michael Wilson's a dog, dude.
65:18Like, I mean, everything, he checks so many boxes as a receiver.
65:22And he really always has, I would say the only thing that maybe he's not good at is, like, truly pulling away
65:28at the third level against zone coverage. But you can get 17 targets and not do that.
65:33And you can clear space and be Marvin Harrison and do that theoretically.
65:36So, yeah, I think this is real with Michael Wilson.
65:39I would be buying it going forward. And speaking of not pulling away, I do want to bring up that the Cardinals
65:46defense is the worst in the NFL at stopping explosive plays.
65:49They're giving up the most in the NFL per percentage of snaps.
65:52And then their offense is the worst at generating them.
65:55They are 32nd across the board in terms of passing and rushing.
65:59Rushing 5.3% of those snaps and then passing just 1.7%.
66:02So, Hayden, that leads me into the conversation here about Jeremiah Love.
66:05We discussed it all summer long that Michael Thor had rookie Brees Hall only gave him 12, 8, and 14 touches in
66:11the opening three games before making him the featured player.
66:14And then it was wheels up for about five games until Brees got injured.
66:18Michael Thor did the same thing here with Jeremiah Love.
66:2113 and 12 touches before 26. I mean, look at this.
66:2426 touches in week three. And it was tough sledding.
66:27I mean, some great defensive line and especially linebacker work.
66:30And Jeremiah Love, I would say, absorbed the content quite well and tried to generate the hidden yards on top of it, too.
66:37I think Jeremiah Love is going to be a top 10 fantasy running back the rest of the way.
66:42I think I would rather have him than players like Ashton Gentey and Saquon Barkley.
66:46And I think, you know, if you got him like late in the round three range, like if you have Kenneth Walker
66:53and Jeremiah Love was your third round pick, you're feeling pretty good about your odds right now.
66:58This they're not going to go back to Tyler Algier.
67:01He's just like simply not good enough. And Jeremiah Love is very comfortable as a receiver.
67:05We saw a couple of those opportunities in this one.
67:08And then as a rusher, I didn't think it was the best game from him.
67:12He feels like a little bit kind of jumpy antsy to me right now.
67:16But his spin move, his acceleration, like the traits that you're looking for are so evident.
67:21And I think it's a pretty well coached team.
67:24And I think that Jeremiah Love is going to get his feet wet.
67:27And I think he's going to look really, really, really strong the rest of the way.
67:32So I think that Tyler Algier is so far away from the picture at this point that we should just be assuming
67:38that Jeremiah Love will have top five, top 10 usage the rest of the way.
67:43And I do think that he's going to be one of the best clicks in fantasy.
67:47Thoughts, Matt? Love it. I'd love to see more of him.
67:50There's still a lot of meat left on the bone for this offense.
67:54Like I said, both in the run game and the pass game.
67:58I watch this team back on film every single week.
68:00I think they do a lot of fun things.
68:03Again, there's good down. And you can almost kind of tell when you hear Mike LaFleur talk that he wants to see
68:09a little more from the pass game. But the run game is one where Jeremiah Love passes the eye test in both phases.
68:16I think he's going to end up being a really, really good value.
68:20There's one team that I ended up taking both Ashton Gentry and Jeremiah Love in a draft.
68:25Like take the ankle discounts on these guys. I'm feeling I actually don't know which one I'm feeling better about right now.
68:31Yeah, I think it could be Jeremiah Love in a few weeks.
68:34We'll see. All right, Matt. Appreciate you. I'll see you on the forecast on Thursday for the week before preview.
68:40Always a good time. Appreciate you guys for having me.
68:43Appreciate it, Matt. All right, Aiden. Me and you, the rest of the way, we go alphabetical order.
68:48That kicks things off with the Atlanta Falcons. It's a whole new world for the Atlanta Falcons with Michael Pinnock in there.
68:55At least for Drake London. Okay, we need to talk about Kyle Pitts because we already saw the Drake London, Michael Pinnock's
69:01effect happen immediately once the quarterback re-entered the starting lineup.
69:04However, Kyle Pitts, in my mind, Hayden, is still never going to hit this year, especially if he's only down to 59%
69:10of snaps like he was in week three. Like he's not a full-time player like he previously was.
69:15About half of round six was bad in terms of selecting players this season, but he is one of, if not the
69:22worst pick in that round so far. Yeah, he's been brutal.
69:25He averaged 42 yards with Drake London in 2025 and obviously went crazy without him there.
69:29So there's still hope that he can kind of be, you know, a 30, 40 yards per game type of player with Michael Pinnock's.
69:36But the fact that he did last week, it is not promising.
69:40And the snap rate coming down is just not going to get there.
69:43And Michael Pinnock just has the eyes right for Drake London.
69:47And like he absolutely should. Drake London is excellent.
69:49So yeah, he's just going to be way too volatile.
69:52I think that Kyle Pitts is going to have like some moments here and there because like the rest of the receiving depth is so bad.
70:00But there's too many other good tight ends. Like we're going to talk about, you know, 20 names that I think are very real candidates.
70:07And I think that Kyle Pitts every single week just falls back a couple spots.
70:11So I think he's droppable. And then if Drake London gets injured, then he will be one of the best waiver wire
70:17additions there is because like there's not going to be another receiver that steps up beyond him.
70:22Yeah, I think people who drafted Kyle Pitts or Tucker Craft or a few of these other names get really freaking frustrated with me that I'm bringing up.
70:30It's the year of the tight end. And like the one guy that they drafted in the top 10 or 12 at
70:37the position just has not panned out at all.
70:39So I feel you guys. Yeah, I mean these next two weeks is the Saints and the Ravens defenses.
70:45I'm not sure how I would feel about even considering starting Kyle Pitts and you're tied in.
70:50And hopefully you picked up someone else off the waiver wire instead.
70:53Anything else you want to say about the Falcons?
70:56True, just move on. They their neutral pass rate increased.
70:59It was a season high 47%. It was like really low there with Cooper Rush and like when they were dropping back, it was all the Bichon nonsense.
71:07And like those were fun games for Bichon. You want the Falcons to be watchable.
71:11Like that's how you get actual explosives and not just like a million checkdowns.
71:15Like we don't want PPR scam Bichon. We want Bichon Robinson.
71:18So I think that's going to be promising. And then the splits with Drake London and Michael Penix.
71:23I mean, it's insane. Like how good he is.
71:26He's like a top three fantasy wide receiver with Michael Penix.
71:29I think it's gonna be a pretty tough bar to clear once again.
71:33But that sample size is now 13 games with that.
71:36So I think that he's climbing up rankings. I think that if we were redrafting today, now knowing that we're gonna have
71:42Michael Penix for the rest of the season, like I think that he would be probably a top 15 pick for me.
71:48Okay, let's talk the Baltimore Ravens up next. Starting off with Zay Flowers.
71:52I mean, on 29 routes this season, 29 routes, Zay Flowers has 10 catches for 234 yards and a touchdown.
71:58Man, he is just incredible. He is so incredible.
72:01Here's my thing. Let's just assume that the hamstring is fine for the rest of the season.
72:05We're drafting Zay Flowers as a top 10, 9, 8 wide receiver the rest of the way.
72:10And that's exactly despite not having necessarily the red zone appeal that I was hoping for the end zone appeal previously.
72:16He is just such the factor in this Baltimore Ravens passing attack that it hasn't felt right at all with him out of it.
72:23But as soon as he comes in, is a number three option, runs these routes over the middle of the field and
72:30has perfect timing, and then after the catch, creates some extra yards too.
72:33He is the focal point of everything other than Derrick Henry in this offense.
72:37For this upcoming week, he's my wide receiver five on initial look at it.
72:41And it's really looking like the JSN stuff where the yards per route numbers are so insane.
72:46It's going to be a very balanced offense, obviously, when you have Derrick Henry.
72:50But whenever they drop back, it's going to be explosive because the quarterback wants to push the ball down the field.
72:56The offensive coordinator obviously knows the only guy that they can trust in the past game is Zay Flowers.
73:02I think it's helping in that Mark Andrews, I just think, is just not going to return.
73:07That level player is just not coming back. So they really have no choice.
73:11And that's why they pushed him in week three, despite not playing or practicing that much.
73:15And the turf was all messed up. And then when they needed him most in man coverage, I still can't believe the
73:22Cowboys played man coverage on that last snap. And Zay Flowers just cooked him.
73:26So the Ravens are going to be top five in projected points every single week.
73:30And he's going to have a 35% target share.
73:33It's impossible for him to not get home at this point.
73:36Yeah, I totally agree. Um, that's exactly the theory.
73:38And what we say is what wins fantasy leagues of when you draft, you know, the wide receiver 17 and becomes, you
73:45know, the wide receiver seven or the wide receiver five.
73:48Like jumping up 10 spots in that area, meaning you jump up three or four rounds, uh, is significant.
73:53Um, and I really feel like if we get Zay Flowers as a full-time player and healthy, uh, we will get that.
73:59We will get that this year. I have nothing else to say about the Ravens.
74:04They are so straightforward with Derek Henry and Lamar Jackson.
74:07Uh, so let's just move on to the Buffalo Bills who are also a very straightforward team.
74:12Uh, it was nice to see DJ Moore in the lineup go six for 67 off of that nasty AC joint hit that he took.
74:19And as you outlined, despite having, you know, five turnovers, they come back and win this game.
74:24And it was kind of vintage James Cook in a lot of ways where the first two weeks, uh, it wasn't all
74:30on his shoulders, uh, as much as it has been in previous years.
74:34But here it's again, 24 carries 154 yards and one touchdown.
74:37So to some degree, Hayden, I liked that the bills through three weeks have kind of shown you that they can win in two ways.
74:44Offensively. There's still just so many chunk plays when they want to run the ball.
74:48It obviously hurts when Josh Allen's going to steal some goal line carries, but you just have to live with it.
74:54I think like the one thing we learned through three weeks, James Cook is the RB 33 in receptions per game 1.3.
75:01So like, it's going to be the same exact role for James Cook.
75:04And guess what? Like that was enough to be what the RB five or close to it last year.
75:10Um, yeah, he's RB seven in carries. He's going to get goal line work, uh, even with Josh Allen stealing it because guess what?
75:17Looking ahead. They're number one in projected points this week.
75:20Uh, once again. So like, I, I don't, I don't have that much sympathy if you're worried about James Cook at 10th
75:26overall, I think that's probably where he would be drafted if we were doing it again today.
75:31Yeah. I mean, they are number one in projected points against the New England Patriots defense.
75:36And we've seen the Patriots defense, uh, have teams projected for around 22, 21 points so far this season.
75:41Okay. Let's talk the Carolina Panthers next. And I actually want to begin this conversation with Teddero McMillan, who basically as an
75:47isolated receiver for three quarters since Jalen Coker left, uh, only managed two catches for 14 yards.
75:52Um, I'd love to get your take on it, but first I thought that this was multi-level.
75:57He struggled to unglue himself from Denzel Ward in isolated coverage and individual coverage, whether that be man or when kind of
76:03zone turns into man, uh, which happens second. And I think most importantly, the Panthers offensive line got run over by the Browns defensive line.
76:11Like, so any second phase play or elongated, uh, slow play concept down the field.
76:15Um, it was basically not possible at all. And that's where a lot of the Teddero McMillan stuff has happened over the
76:21first couple of weeks and go bank going back to last year.
76:25And then third, I actually thought like some of his routes could maybe have a bit more urgency and maybe he just
76:31got a bit tired as the game went along.
76:34He could have a huge bounce back. I think this week against the lions and their secondary, but I really am fearful
76:40that the offensive line might be a problem here to, uh, get back to the big downfield patterns that we got.
76:46They were so successful in the first two weeks.
76:49I think it's like two different discussions. I think for the Panthers, I think, you know, losing Damian Lewis and their secondaries
76:55now beat up and like, you know, the edge rushers just have not really like proven to be that effective so far.
77:01So I think the Panthers have some issues because of, uh, injuries, but for T-Mac with Jalen Coker out of there, like
77:08he's going to get spammed the ball. The Panthers are now they're top four and wide receiver usage.
77:13And it's only going to go to him. And that, that number is going to come down a little bit, um, but it didn't last week.
77:20And that's why I wanted to bring this up.
77:23There's just Denzel Ward's still very good. And the injuries, like when you don't know, you're going to have injuries on the,
77:29uh, on the offensive line, like in the middle of the game, that's going to be a little bit harder to kind of change things.
77:36Like T-Mac is like, there's a couple little flaws to his game.
77:40I think over time, he's going to be totally fine there.
77:43I think there's the volume is gonna be too much to ignore.
77:47Like already he's the wide receiver 10 and expected points.
77:49Like it has not been like the cleanest season for him.
77:53He's gone under his projection in all three games here, but the volume is going to be way too hard to ignore.
77:59Like they just have nobody else to get the ball to.
78:02And I watched Garrett Wilson in isolation against the lions defensive back, just route them up the entire game.
78:08Uh, so we're going to talk about the jets, but I think that Ted Rowe McMillen can do that against way, way worse competition than Denzel Ward.
78:15Yes. And they run a ton of zone coverage, which the vast majority of the NFL does.
78:20And we've seen the Panthers dissect zone coverage so far this season, especially in the opening two weeks.
78:25Uh, I will say Bryce Young leads the NFL in passing yards.
78:29He also leads the NFL in pressure rates and intended air yards per attempt.
78:33So it's like this difficult package that yeah, it's, it's, it's full send at this moment.
78:38And Hey, this isn't, you know, me just giving the shorter guy a pat in the back here, but I do feel
78:44like that game against the Browns in the first three years of his career might've ended up one of the games that
78:50he throws for like 145 yards and ended up throwing for 291 yards and like standing in the face of the pressure and figuring out what was there.
78:58And he long gaining certain snaps that, that he could had.
79:01So I actually thought there was real growth in a performance like that, whereas offensive line just got demolished.
79:07Yeah. Yeah. He just seemed to feel better. He's, he's just making better plays.
79:11Uh, and I, I've always thought he's a very accurate quarterback and when he's like making decisive plays down the sideline, like that's the best of it.
79:19And I think that's where Tyrone McVillan is going to be very good this year.
79:23And I do think that the state of the Panthers defense with like the most recent injuries, they're going to have to
79:29pass the ball because I'm just not sure if they're going to get many stops on defense, just given where, where they're at right now.
79:37Yep. Uh, they have a week five by, so I wouldn't be surprised if like Jalen Coker sits out.
79:42He's out in week four with the hopes of him returning in, in week five.
79:46And then his replacement on the outside, it was Bryson Tremaine, who is mostly a special teamer, but kind of always pops up and plays wide receiver.
79:54Cause he's big and athletic. Uh, and he led the team with six targets for receptions and 83 yards.
80:00Wouldn't be totally surprised if it kind of goes to David Moore, uh, after, you know, a week of practice and all
80:06that type of stuff, but they are extremely thin.
80:08Uh, and this is what we talked about. Like the passing attack really got going last year when it was team Mac and Coker.
80:15It really got going in the first two weeks when it was team Mac and Coker.
80:20And then if you don't have one of those elite talents where the other one's kind of getting locked up or maybe
80:26getting some safety over the top help, the other guy can win for you in isolation.
80:31If you don't have that, then they kind of, I think become a bit more solvable.
80:36Okay. Uh, let's talk Cincinnati Bengals. They're up next.
80:38Um, this team is very straightforward. Every single week we know about who the priority players are.
80:43I will say, and Goodberry posted about this too, that they have just 83 yards off play action.
80:48The season they're near the bottom of the league in terms of rate of play action, just 16 passing plays so far this season.
80:55Hayden from under center compared to 43 runs 31st in percentage of past plays under center.
81:00So this entire narrative that lasted all training camp, uh, they're about 27th or 28th in terms of that rate of usage.
81:06And they're kind of back to what Joe Burrow does best.
81:09They are changing up the offense though. They're a lot more two tight end sets.
81:14They are going under center more often. Yeah. And, uh, a couple of weeks ago, uh, on the Nate Tice recap show football 301 on Sunday nights.
81:21Uh, I had the stat of the exact numbers, but almost every single time they were in the gun, they pass it almost every single time under center.
81:29They ran it this last week. They actually did mix it up, uh, a couple of times.
81:34And Joe Burrow took a couple of shots down the field.
81:37Uh, it's, you know, it's, it's a change up.
81:40That's all it is. Uh, and I'm totally okay with it.
81:43I would say with, with Chase Brown, I think he's maybe the most, uh, interesting.
81:48Cause he hasn't really gotten home yet. He's still the RB 11 in expected points.
81:52He's the RB 10 in receptions per game. RB 13 carries per game.
81:56So magic. He runs not going to mix in there.
81:58So it's been a brutal start as the RB 20 on a pregame basis so far.
82:03Like, this is like the most obvious by low.
82:06Like you get the past funnel bucks. Then you get the Texans and then you get the Steelers.
82:11And I think the Bengals offensive line against, uh, some pretty, uh, formidable defensive fronts.
82:15There has like passed the test, like a Marius Mims.
82:18Like he's on his way to becoming like a superstar right tackle.
82:21Um, so I think like these little things, I think Chase Brown's like a really quality by low.
82:27That said, Jacksonville is going to be another tough opponent, uh, this week.
82:30But I think that, you know, they're going to be totally fine.
82:34I think that the Bengals defense is not, I don't think it's very good still.
82:38Like they're better than they were. But if anyone thinking like the Bengals are not going to have like being shootouts this
82:45season, I think like they've lost the plot. I think they're going to be in plenty of them.
82:50Yeah. With the Malik neighbor stuff that we talked about earlier, I know this is talking about like a wide receiver for
82:56a running back, but I would almost try to go like two for one with neighbors and someone else and try to
83:02go get Chase Brown and fill in like that as your flex or your running back too.
83:07And, uh, build and, and, uh, improve off of that.
83:10If, if I had neighbors, um, yeah, I mean the Bengals shockingly lead the NFL in rated 12 personnel.
83:16Uh, that's at 39%. They kind of use three names, um, in sample and Eric all.
83:20And then Mike is sick. He is out there for about 50 ish percent of snaps.
83:25Uh, I know that's not very much and I don't want to overhype someone who is 50 ish percent of snaps, but
83:31when he's out there, he is their slot wide receiver.
83:34He is their wide receiver three basically. And he's been the tight end four in week one and the tight end 11 in week three.
83:41And he's still flying under the radar and they're like still recycling these, you know, wide receivers on the end.
83:47So they, I'm not saying they're incorporating him more, but Hey, and you also have like, I think the hidden upside with Mike is sick.
83:54He has always been if Jamar chase or T Higgins misses time, he then becomes like a de facto wide receiver two for the team.
84:01So, um, guess. Sicky is someone that no one's going to add on your roster at all.
84:06And if you're in one of the deepest leagues, I may imaginable, uh, guess.
84:10Sicky is somewhat on my radar. I totally agree.
84:13He's, he's the featured player when they need to go into like traditional, like 11 personnel stuff, right?
84:18He'll be like the de facto slot. Those other two, those other two tight ends, they're quality blockers.
84:23And I've noticed that on the chase Brown runs, like there are some times where Eric all and drew sample are like moving players.
84:30And like, that's like another reason, like why the Bengals offense is like a little bit more stable, uh, now than it was previously.
84:37Okay. Let's talk Cleveland Browns next. And we're going to go back to your fancy points over replacement model and image here
84:43because Quinshon Judkins in the fifth round has been one of the worst selections in fancy football.
84:48Obviously they opened with the Jaguars and the Buccaneers, arguably the two defenses other than the Minnesota Vikings to run on.
84:54Um, but then here against the Panthers, there were some moments, but just overall in a game that they won, I'll be at tight 18 carries for 70.
85:02yards, 3.9 per clip. So Hayden, is there any light for Quinchon Judkins for the rest of the season?
85:08Just individually, I would say he's a step slower than he was last year where I thought there was like some like nice, like turbo moments from him.
85:16And he's a difficult tackle for how big he is.
85:19Um, I still think that the vision is fine and the offensive line is going to be one that's never going to
85:25be good, but you hope that it kind of gels together as the season progresses.
85:29Like it's a lot of, you know, like you have a rookie left tackle.
85:34You have a bunch of new players that have never played together.
85:37You obviously have a new coach as well. Um, there's a lot of moving parts.
85:41Like I'm not that surprised like the first part of the year has been as bad as it has been for, for Quinchon Judkins.
85:48I can't say I'm optimistic, but like, could he be a flex?
85:52Like for the next couple of weeks, I still think that he could be a flex, but I think, you know, you
85:58know, you're trying to find like the RB two in the fifth round.
86:02Like I think that's going to be a large swing and a miss here.
86:06Even with Dylan Sampson being out there, he's catching a couple more passes this year than last year, which has helped him out.
86:12But it's not going to be like a schemed up thing for Quinchon because the rest of the skill group is just like, they're too good.
86:20Yeah. Raheem Sanders gets in there to, as like the pure receiver work on, on top of it too.
86:25It's just now I think at best he gives you 70 to 80 yards if they're in games that they're going to win.
86:32Uh, and then you have to get a goal line touchdown for it to like really pay off to get into top 12 running back ish status.
86:40And if not, you're going to hover around like eight to nine points on, on a weekly basis.
86:45So again, a lot of the running backs in that area where he was selected, because it was after, you know, a
86:51tier below the, uh, Deandre Swifts of the world.
86:54Uh, we're all just like kind of throwing darts here.
86:57The hope is this completely new offensive line gels as the season goes along.
87:01At the same time, I think Todd Munkin is an awesome coach and he's doing a fantastic job having this team at, at two and one.
87:08And you know, they get the Steelers and the Jets over the next two games.
87:13Like those are winnable games for just about anyone, especially in a short week here against the Pittsburgh Steelers.
87:18I do want to bring up Casey Concepcion. He had nine targets in this game.
87:22I mean, some of the most vomit inducing vile throws that you will ever, ever see, um, off target behind him, horrible timing late on it.
87:30Like I understand Deshaun Watson had a decent fourth quarter against the Panthers, but right now the Browns are winning on the
87:36margins and they're not winning necessarily because their quarterback's playing good football for the entire four quarters.
87:41And unfortunately, like Casey Concepcion is the negative beneficiary of, uh, these off target passes.
87:45Totally agree. They're, they're winning some tight ball games.
87:48The like Mason Graham's have like kept these games, uh, uh, close.
87:51It has not been a Deshaun Watson led movement.
87:54I will say the, the thing that Watson has improved on this year versus the previous Browns years is he's definitely more athletic to me.
88:01Like I noticed that in week one when he looked like terrible and week one, he's looked a little bit better the last couple of weeks.
88:09He's picking up some like key first downs and like those used to be punts.
88:13And like, that's how like you're getting at least a couple more plays per game because of this.
88:18And then some of these obviously Prairie Arts eventually will get, um, get home.
88:22Uh, and, but you know, Harold Fannin pops in here, but Denzel Boston gets some looks.
88:27Casey Concepcion is going to get some looks. With all three of those guys factoring in like pretty evenly, it's like hard
88:33to like trust any of them in fantasy lineups.
88:36I think like, you know, next week when we'd be like Casey Concepcion for 80 yards and a touchdown, how awesome was that?
88:42But then the next week it'll be Fannin and then the next week it'll be Boston.
88:47So like, I don't know what we're supposed to do with either of these.
88:51These were better in best ball picks. Um, and you know, I just don't see that really changing this year.
88:57Yeah. We talked about Casey Concepcion being the easy button for this team.
89:00And so that would give us maybe some floor in a weekly basis.
89:04Uh, it's not an easy button when those passes behind the line of scrimmage or the past three yards on the field
89:11is just totally off frame and uncatchable. So it's not easy when like Deshaun Watson throwing that football Dallas Cowboys are next.
89:17Um, the worst pick in the second round, Hayden, according to your fancy points over expected model.
89:22And, you know, factoring in ones who aren't playing right now and AJ Brown and, and Devon Achan.
89:27It's actually George Pickens. So what should those people do with George Pickens that they drafted him?
89:32Nothing at all. Just wait, wait for the good games.
89:35They are coming. He is the wide receiver 12 and expected points.
89:38He is a very good football player. Dak Prescott is very good.
89:42And he's been, you know, right on this border.
89:44Uh, wide receiver one, wide receiver two last year with CD lamb.
89:48Like good days are coming for, for George Pickens.
89:50He's like drawing some defensive pass interferences down the field.
89:53Like those easily could have been touchdowns at times.
89:56Uh, he hasn't had like the best season compared to last year as well.
90:00Um, you know, he's got another difficult matchup against the Texans, but you know, this is not a like sell low.
90:06Um, I would think he's actually more of a buy low than a sell low.
90:10Would you trade Malik neighbor straight up for George Pickens rest of season?
90:14I would trade neighbors and many other players for George Pickens.
90:17Yeah. I mean, I'm only saying that because George Pickens is wide receiver 36 right now.
90:22And that's a facetious question because I I've asked about four times so far.
90:26Uh, yeah, I mean, again, I'll, I'll say this.
90:28He was the 23rd pick in drafts and like T Higgins was the 31st pick in drafts and it's a long season.
90:35You know, we have 14 more weeks in, in the fancy football year.
90:38And so he could easily still perform as that 23rd overall selection, but it, it, it also might get to the point
90:45where we should have just drafted him next to T who was going like eight ish picks later, but we'll see.
90:51Maybe. I don't know. I think George Pickens is a total monster and he just has a little bit more yak ability and, uh, Dak Prescott looks amazing.
90:59Uh, so I think they're going to figure this one out.
91:02Okay. I have nothing else to add about the Cowboys.
91:05Should we move on? Straightforward. Yep. Straightforward. Okay. Detroit lions.
91:08Again, I'm trying to help you people out here because some of you unfortunately drafted Jamison Williams.
91:13He has been one of, if not the worst pick in the sixth round.
91:17Is there any hope they do face the Carolina Panthers and these corners in week four?
91:21I, I, I kind of find the Jamo conversation a little bit annoying.
91:25Um, it's not worked yet and there will be games where, I mean, I'm just like looking at like last year, week 12 does absolutely nothing.
91:32And then week 13, he's, uh, he's scores 23 fantasy points.
91:36And then the next week it's, uh, 14. And then the week after that is 24.
91:40And then he does nothing for three straight weeks.
91:43It's like, you know, did you guys not understand what you signed up for?
91:47I will say this. I think that the Laporta, Amon, Rod, Jamo, uh, or, and Jameer Gibbs aspect when all, all those players are healthy.
91:54Jamo is going to run a little bit more clear out routes.
91:58Like some of those connections down the field are a little bit harder to get to, obviously, but I think golf is playing well.
92:04I think the lions defense is total trash in the secondary right now, and they're going to be in shootouts.
92:10And, you know, we're going to talk about his 75 guard touchdown at any moment, especially when he's facing against, uh, you know, the JC horn list Panthers.
92:18So yeah, his target share is down. He's his eight odd is higher and we're not getting the layups and there's no weekly floor.
92:25Uh, and then next week he'd be the wide receiver one.
92:28I don't know. Yep. Jared points out that his charge of the catch this year is just at 0.4.
92:34Uh, that is because we're not getting the drags away against the grain of the defense.
92:38Like what we got previously when Sam Laporta missed time, you know, for example, and underneath I think I'm watching them.
92:44They're happening. It's just like they haven't connected on them yet.
92:48I think they're, I think they're in the playbook.
92:50Yes. Um, and that's what I mean, like we, he hasn't caught them yet.
92:54They haven't generated fancy points for us yet. Um, and you know, he had drops in the first two weeks of the season.
93:01Basically my conclusion is every year a group might go into the season saying that Jamison Williams is finally a complete player.
93:07He has a floor on a weekly basis. And what we have learned so far is that he does not.
93:13And he still is this high variance rollercoaster that he has been at every single point in his career so far.
93:19And it's just the same thing here, despite a new play caller as a part of it.
93:24And I think it's exactly what you said. It is tough to have four players on an offense, have a floor in fantasy football.
93:31And that is rare if ever. And so to me, how it always was heading into the season Gibbs on raw and
93:37Sam, the porta, and then Jamison Williams is forced on the list.
93:41And that's exactly what the production leads us to, too.
93:43Yep. Completely agree. Okay. I will say watch out for the double moves this week against will lead this backup corner for the Panthers.
93:50He has bitten every single time in every single game on these double moves.
93:54We're going to get one for a touch on the outside.
93:58I guarantee you it's going to be a long one to Jamison Williams this week.
94:02Green Bay Packers are up next. It is a brutal cycle for Green Bay right now.
94:07First, it starts off with no run game. That brings us to second and third and long situations.
94:12That means this patchwork Packers offensive line, which they're bringing in two or three new players to try to fix on the fly in season.
94:19That's never a good thing. Then gets pressure looks on top of it in those spots that are difficult to handle either
94:25games or twists or stunts up front. And then Jordan Love is under duress in those moments.
94:30And then I'll say that there's times when everyone else does their job and Jordan Love is kind of missing some layup throws on top of it, too.
94:38So again, among some disappointing offenses that we have seen in previous years, the number one thing attached to them is offensive line play.
94:45And that's why they don't achieve it. And I think we're already seeing that for the Packers.
94:50And Hayden, if we're already seeing it in week three and week four, typically that kind of sustains itself for the entire season.
94:57Completely agree. There's some reps where Jordan Love is feeling pressure that's not there.
95:01And I totally understand why. It's because the last five plays, there was pressure and he just can't trust it.
95:06Um, so the good news is the run game is so bad that they have no choice but to throw the ball all the time.
95:14And they're only throwing it to two players right now.
95:16Like Tucker Craft is like maybe the most interesting one, um, in that he's not getting the crazy yards after catch moments this year.
95:23He's still a tight end 12 and expected points.
95:26He's a full-time player and they ramped him up immediately after week one out of necessity once Jaden Reed went down.
95:32So I think that Tucker Craft eventually will get home.
95:35Uh, I thought in the first week that he had a couple of explosives where I thought he like looked fine.
95:41Uh, but he keeps dropping passes. He's been a total mess in the blocking department as well.
95:46Like his head has been out of it a lot more than his like physical traits, uh, which has been a big surprise to me there.
95:53Um, but in the meantime, like, you know, Christian Watson's a wide receiver four and wide receiver five usage and Matthew Golden
96:00is a wide receiver 14 on wide receiver six overall usage.
96:03Like those are two awesome picks. And I, Matthew Golden could be frustrating at times.
96:07And then he makes plays over his shoulder, uh, running way down the field at a really high clip.
96:13And, um, I think he's going to have huge, huge games.
96:16I'm not sure if you've seen what I've been watching on the Tucker craft film where it's like, he's just been like, so like uncharacteristically sloppy.
96:23And that's, that's, uh, hurt him in both phases.
96:26A hundred percent. And that can flip, you know, a switch week to week immediately.
96:30And hopefully that just gets figured out. I'll say right now, this Packers team, at least in the Falcons game on Thursday
96:36night football, you know, their 10 play 76 yard touchdown drive was when they were down 27 to seven and true garbage time.
96:43But Jordan love is a good enough quarterback and the wide receivers are good enough that I buy into the garbage time narrative for a team like this.
96:51If they have to get into it because their defense, because of a lack of running game where I wouldn't do that for bad teams out there.
96:59So I am continuing. And obviously at this point, you all drafted Christian Watson and Matthew Golden, because we told you to
97:05all summer long, but no matter if they are underdogs, the rest of the way I am starting those guys in every
97:12single matchup and no questions about the Packers running backs, please.
97:15Like we have to do better than starting these guys.
97:18Well, we have to. Yes. I mean, Marshawn Lloyd was basically removed.
97:21Caleb Johnson saw more snaps than he did at the same time.
97:25If you are trailing and a negative game script, that's when Chris Brooks pops him.
97:29So it doesn't matter. Yeah. None of it matters.
97:31Yeah. Cause they can't block either. Uh, they are the third fastest paced team in the NFL right now.
97:37Which is very different than where they've been the last couple of years too.
97:41So this is notable. It's on our radar. That's for sure.
97:44Houston Texans. CJ Stroud to his backup, backup wide receivers has been bad.
97:48Now there is some optimism that Nico Collins might return here in week four.
97:52Uh, but Reeves pointed this out that CJ Stroud throwing to his wide receivers over the past two weeks when Nico has been out.
97:59He's 17 of 41, a 41 and a half percent completion rate, six yards per attempt.
98:03And a 24.4 percent inaccurate, which is 29th. I will say in this game where I went back and watched, uh, there
98:10were some like threaded passes over the middle that his wide receivers early in that game should just come down with.
98:16And then again, getting the cycle of when they don't make those catches early on, then maybe he has to press and throw some wavered passes later on.
98:24So, uh, again, it's all connected here. Totally connected.
98:26The offensive line has been a complete joke, uh, interior pressure with a backup guard as well right now.
98:32Uh, yeah, this team is so reliant on Nico Collins, like nothing else matters.
98:36Um, I think for the running back rotation, it's like extremely straightforward.
98:39It is every other drive. It's as simple as that.
98:42Like Woody Marks gets a drive. David Montgomery gets a drive.
98:45So we are splitting up the running back usage into two, pretty much like directly into two.
98:50And that's how Woody Marks gets goal line opportunities that David Montgomery is not going to get.
98:55I don't think that either of the backs look that good to me.
98:59I would, I would guess I would lean towards Woody Marks.
99:02Um, if I had to pick who's kind of popped on film a little bit more.
99:07Uh, but the state of the, the backup wide receivers is so bad that it's like, it's a non-negotiable.
99:12Um, so if Nico Collins is not out there, like this team is not, they're not going to put up points.
99:18I don't care who the defense are playing this.
99:21Yeah, I agree on the wide receiver comment. Um, speaking of comments, I got one, uh, I think it was either, I
99:27think it might've been the waiver show with Joel.
99:30Uh, after I said that Dave Montgomery fell into the end zone three times that I need to be, uh, choose my words more wisely.
99:37Um, I, I think Dave Montgomery fell into the end zone three times in, in week one, he had a nice, you
99:43know, eight yard run or whatever it was and had some catches and all that type of stuff.
99:49Ever since then, it's been exactly what my fear has been, you know, even including week one, three yards, 1.7, three yards per carry on 37 attempts.
99:56So far this year, Dave Montgomery has four carries that.
99:59I've gone over five yards on 23 attempts. Woody marks has six carries over five yards.
100:04DeMont has the lowest percentage of his carries to go for five plus yards in the NFL at 18.9%.
100:09Um, I straight up trade David Montgomery for Basial Tootin right now.
100:13If someone would do it in my league easily.
100:15Oh yeah, for sure. I'm not sure if you'd be able to get that.
100:19Uh, my, my fancy boy Texan stat is their number one in wide receiver contested targets.
100:24And it's by eight, it's 24 to 16 is the, is the difference there.
100:28And it is to me the slowest skill group between wide receiver running back tight end and quarterback by a landslide in the NFL right now.
100:35Um, and you feel that. Look, don't get me wrong.
100:38Like there are going to be weeks where Dave Montgomery pays off and falls into the end zone a couple of times.
100:45And this one might be one Hayden it's against the Dallas Cowboys.
100:48They're actually projected for 25 points in this game, which is extremely notable to me, but this offensive line has not shown
100:54anything to me that it is taking its next step.
100:57Uh, they've scored what 19 or 17 points, six points in the last two weeks.
101:02Uh, but you do have the Cowboys and the Titans over the next two weeks.
101:06So again, this can be your moments other than Nico Collins that some of your Texans might pay off.
101:11Yeah. He's RV 21 and usage. Like, I'm not saying like this is a five alarm fire here.
101:17It's just that, you know, like I don't see that.
101:19I don't see an upside path for him. Yeah.
101:22Yeah. Okay. Indianapolis Colts. Let's talk about them and their running game.
101:26Actually, uh, our buddy Ryan Heath noted that the Colts run game with Alec Pierce on and off the field, uh, has some stark splits.
101:33So on the field, 4.75 yards per carry 2.5 yards.
101:36Yards before contact per attempt. And then number one in EPA per rush off the field.
101:40It's bad. 30th in yards per carry 1.38 yards before contact, which is also the 30th, but still fifth in EPA per rush.
101:47So again, we're kind of dealing with somewhat small samples here, but, uh, that is a big difference in Jonathan Taylor's week
101:53three than it was week one and week two.
101:56Might be the Texans defense. Um, I will say their right tackle was completely destroyed by Willie Anderson and predictably so, but
102:02it was, it was one of the worst right tackle performances I've ever seen.
102:06Um, so yeah, that's not going to help the Jonathan Taylor aspect of it, but, uh, easier matchup, uh, this week as well.
102:13And he's still just getting crazy usage, uh, RV six, uh, and usage here catching a couple more passes this year than he has, uh, previously.
102:20And then in the past game, it was good to see Tyler Warren couple like cover two hole shots, uh, nothing like
102:27crazy down the field, but it wasn't only manufactured touches.
102:29And I did like that. Daniel Jones got outside of the pocket that one time and hit the truck stick out there.
102:36It gave me like a little bit more, uh, optimism that like maybe he can offer a little bit more athletically as like the season progresses.
102:43So it was kind of like exactly what I was expecting.
102:46Like Josh downs, like pop gun, you know, slot stuff, Keenan Allen, a trusted player, a little bit more Tyler Warren without Alec Pierce.
102:53And then I think Jonathan Taylor and easy matchups going to get home.
102:57So I, I didn't really learn that much with the Colts.
103:00No, no, not at all. Um, I will say this is my first year playing in a death league over on Yahoo
103:07and it has my brain and a pretzel. I previously already picked up Chris Olave instead of Pukanokua.
103:12The person that got eliminated in week three had Jonathan Taylor, Pukanokua, Trey McBride, Parker, Washington, Malik neighbors, and George Kittle on their team.
103:19And so it's making me wonder, I mean, you're in the league too, how much to invest and all that type of stuff.
103:25Well, uh, to show my hand here, I will see you in the Jonathan Taylor bidding because I am desperate for running back.
103:32I need one now. Yeah. Okay. I kind of have to decide if like, I want to overspend the new on Jonathan
103:38Taylor or and put him in my flex, uh, or keep like Emeka Gbuka in there, for example.
103:43So my running back is much better than yours.
103:46You don't want to talk to Taylor. No. I'm, I'm having a blast with this death league.
103:51Like I haven't cared more about waivers ever before.
103:53So I want to do, we should do multiple death leagues with, uh, viewers next year.
103:58Yes. We should definitely do that. On Yahoo, of course.
104:01Yes. On Yahoo, of course. Jacksonville Jaguars. Let's talk about them.
104:04I mean, Parker, Washington stud, facial tootin, even in a game where he like didn't break a bunch of tackles.
104:10It is so clear that they are trusting him in the backfield.
104:13Now grinding out three yard gains, five yard gains, eight, nine yard gains.
104:17And he still hasn't hit that like 30 plus yard explosive.
104:20And it might get there at some point. But, uh, the big one, and I said it in the waiver show, Brian Thomas jr is just completely droppable.
104:28He has transformed into just a role player on this team.
104:31Now playing only 35%, 54% and 37% of snaps over the last three weeks.
104:36Yeah. I mean, Jacobi Myers, the wide receiver 66 and usage.
104:39He had a nice touchdown grab here. And then Brian Thomas is wide receiver 79.
104:43It's like this offense has really turned into, you know, it's all Parker Washington.
104:47Then you get, you know, a mixture of a little bit of Brendan strange, a little bit of the wide receiver four,
104:53a little bit of, uh, Chris Rodriguez who had a goal line opportunity, but it's, it's really just, there's, there's three fantasy starters.
105:00It's Trevor Lawrence, it's facial tootin and spark of Washington.
105:03I think everyone else is all noise. This offense is so awesome and so well coached, um, that the rest of those
105:09guys are going to have big moments and you are not going to be able to predict them, uh, on tootin.
105:15He is the wider or the running back 13 on running back 26 usage.
105:19So he's been one of the most efficient players.
105:22According to my model, he's breaking a lot of tackles.
105:25He's not making nearly as many mistakes as he did the year prior.
105:28He looks like a totally fine pick. And, uh, even if Chris Rodriguez steals a couple of goal line touch touchdowns, that's going to be totally fine here.
105:37Yeah, totally fine. If, if we look at where basal tootin was selected, the 11th pick of the fifth round, um, obviously
105:43like Devante Adams dominates that fifth round area right now, but a lot of other names we talked about QJ before and
105:49Quinchon Judkins, uh, Jaden Daniels was selected in that area.
105:52Jalen Hurts has not really panned out as a fancy quarterback, Tucker craft at the end.
105:57So, uh, yeah, I mean facial tootin was awesome in comparison to a bunch of the wide receivers going in that area too, among running backs as well.
106:05So it's, uh, it's cool to see. It's cool to see what they're running back 13 right now in fancy points.
106:11Next up is the Kansas city chiefs where top three running back can walk the third resides.
106:16Uh, I mean, it's a straightforward team as well.
106:18Is it not? It's Ken Walker, the third and it's Travis Kelsey.
106:22And then a whole bunch of hubbub with Patrick Mahomes looking back to his former self and looking unbelievable this year.
106:28Yeah. Mahomes is going to be in the MVP race here.
106:31Um, I guess the player I'm, you know, trying to get the best read on is Rashi rice.
106:36Uh, first two weeks, pretty, pretty mediocre. He obviously had like a little free play to kind of, you know, get him
106:42into the box score in, in week two, but the first two weeks it was not encouraging usage this week.
106:48It was, I say more signs of life here.
106:51Um, I thought that he got, uh, open a couple of times over the middle, a couple designed looks here.
106:57Uh, he's always going to be like somewhat, um, mixing in, in the red area though.
107:01Uh, we're seeing a lot more Kenneth Walker, right?
107:04Rightfully so. Um, so I think as Kenneth Walker's touches kind of come back to earth a little bit, I think that's
107:10how Rashi rice kind of gets, you know, propelled back into like the wider receiver to conversation.
107:15Um, we didn't know if the chiefs were going to be an elite offense going into the year.
107:20And now I feel pretty comfortable that they will be like a fringe top five one.
107:25And I think that's going to keep Rashi rice kind of like, he's not going to be a home run pick, but
107:31I think he's going to be a top 24 wide receiver, uh, this season.
107:35And I think last week is probably more of what we should expect.
107:39The big caveat being the dolphins haven't covered anybody the entire year.
107:42And there were some wide open plays for Russia, but I thought the usage was like more what I'm kind of expecting for him.
107:49Yeah. And look, we talked about this chiefs passing attack, transforming and on some like kind of concepts and under center stuff and play action off of it.
107:57It has to some degree, but in terms of the routes that are still winning and the players that are still winning, it has not transformed, right?
108:05It is Travis Kelsey on rushy rice. And every once in a while you have a gimmick play to Xavier worthy.
108:11And then a deep shot to Tyquan Thornton. Um, Steven Patton posted this chart on, on Twitter where Patrick Mahomes, uh, is
108:17top four and passing our top five and passing yards across the league.
108:21But just 36% of those are air yards, uh, compared to like, you know, Bryce Young's at 60%.
108:26Tyler Shucks is 53%. Uh, Matthew Savage at 58%.
108:29Jordan loves at 54%. And there's like four guys ahead of him.
108:32So again, it goes back to this team is still kind of built on yards after the catch moments, which by the
108:39way, half of that has come from Travis Kelsey so far this year, which is incredible stuff.
108:44Yeah. Number one yards after the catch through three weeks is still Travis Kelsey.
108:48Amazing. Let's talk to the Las Vegas Raiders. And there's only one name to lead with this.
108:53How did Clint Kubiak utilize Brock Bowers? And is it the stuff of dreams?
108:57I mean, it's pretty close to the JSN rule.
108:59Like that's not even that much of an exaggeration.
109:02It's, it's as close of a real wide receiver as a tight ended name since, you know, like Jimmy Graham or like,
109:08I mean, this is like a version of Travis Kelsey.
109:11And I don't think this is going to slow down.
109:14He had 21.5 expected half PBR points. That was his third best usage in a game throughout his career.
109:19The second most by a tight end this season.
109:22And Clint Kubiak is just going to dial things up down the football field over the middle.
109:27And they're going to have corners on Brock Bowers.
109:29And I just think Brock Bowers is just going to win those matchups.
109:33Like the agent right now has to be contacting the Raiders and saying, we're changing the label here.
109:38You are not going to pay him like the best tight end.
109:42You are going to pay him like an elite wide receiver because that's what he is.
109:46So my takeaway from this game is one glad that he's healthy.
109:50It's always gonna be in the back of my mind.
109:53It's the way he plays in the injury history and the knees.
109:56But I think if we were drafting right now, I think I would take him in the first round of fantasy football.
110:03Yep. I cannot wait to see how Steve Spagnuolo decides to try to cover Brock Bowers here in week four against the
110:09Chiefs because he'll have something planned up and we'll see if it works.
110:13Is it Kool-Aid McKinstry? Was that the corner number one on the Saints?
110:16Brock Bowers lined up, isolated him a number of times on the boundary as a wide receiver and got the better of him.
110:23Like doing legit wide receiver stuff, speed outs, vertical patterns, kind of flood concepts.
110:27And he's the middle one. He was doing it all.
110:30And, you know, the Raiders immediately led the league in 12 personnel in week three.
110:34This is why the Raiders gave Michael Mayer a new contract and, you know, training camp.
110:39And on top of it, they also did a lot of 22 personnel stuff from what I saw with like Connor Hayward
110:45lined up there as a pseudo fullback slash tight end.
110:48And that even force feeds Brock Bowers the football even more.
110:51This is why we talked about heavier personnel sets all summer long.
110:55And so Hayden, while it was extremely frustrating for the people that drafted him in round one, uh, and excuse me, round
111:01two in weeks one and two, uh, that is so clear to me that if he stays healthy, this is going to
111:07be exactly the upside pick that could, you know, change the tight end landscape and give you like a three or four
111:14point advantage, despite this being the year of the tight end over ever their name, not named Trey McBride this season.
111:20Yeah. The only negative I can think of is just that the rest of the tight end group is as deep as ever.
111:26So like fancy points over replacement, it comes down a little bit, but like, that's it.
111:31This, this is an elite wide receiver that you can play in at your tight end spot with a head coach who's
111:37been awesome and just has a history of funneling the ball to one player and one player only.
111:42Uh, and I just think that he's going to do that again.
111:46And like the 12 personnel stuff, those aren't 12 personnel plays.
111:49Like those are three wide receiver set plays and that just, they have Brock Bowers at X wide receiver.
111:55Like that's all it is. Yeah. Uh, the, they're getting respect from the markets too.
111:59Um, this game opened with a total of 43 and a half and it's already risen to 47 and a half.
112:05So, uh, that's notable to me. I get a sense from doing this show with you for a very long time when
112:11you're kind of lower than the public on a certain player.
112:14Talk to me about Ashen Jenty because you know, I don't consume as much fancy content as maybe I used to, but
112:21a lot of other shows might be saying that he's a locked in round one pick for the rest of the way.
112:27Where are you at with Ashen Jenty right now?
112:30I just think he's a little bit overrated as a pure talent.
112:33Um, I just think that he doesn't get to the corner fast enough and I think he shuffles his feet and he's
112:39hard to tackle, but I just don't see like a very explosive player and explosives are pretty key.
112:45So I spent a little bit underwhelmed. There's some data kind of back that up.
112:49There's 51 qualifying running backs. He's RB 40 and rush yards over expected RB 43 and success rate RB 45 and EPA per carry.
112:56Um, yeah, I just think it takes a little bit too long for him to get up to speed.
113:01And I think there's been some gaps where I think a faster running back hits that and takes off and none of this would matter at all.
113:09If Mike Washington wasn't, you know, just kind of sitting behind him and that 36 yard touchdown like that's kind of the
113:15difference between Ashen Jenty and Mike Washington. Like those are gonna be totally two different players and you're gonna have different play designs for them.
113:23But you know, I'm not sure if the RB three in usage for, for the first three weeks is going to hold.
113:29And he's been the RB eight and fancy points.
113:32Uh, the offense is awesome. Ashen Jenty is a capable pass catcher.
113:35Mike Washington, like it's going to be a slow ramp up for him, but I don't know, man.
113:40Mike Washington looks really awesome. And, uh, I think that, you know, this gap, I think it's going to close kind of as the season progresses.
113:48Yeah. I don't want to get too negative as an Ashen Jenty based on the opportunities he's getting right now.
113:53Um, I will say he's the running back eight in fancy points per game at this moment, despite having, you know, 29
114:00touches in week one, 25 touches in week two, along with a couple drops and then 22 touches in week three.
114:06Like that's a whole lot of volume. And Brian points this out that he's been stuffed inside the 10 yard line, uh, on all seven.
114:13I think of his carries are all six of them and six of them.
114:17He's been hitting the backfield. So it's, um, look that can change in an instant where there's better blocking and he falls
114:23into the end zone and all that changes. But I agree with you.
114:27Like the 36 yard touchdown for Mike Washington is exactly what I kind of pictured with that signing of a player.
114:33Um, I don't want to read into too much of Clint Kubiak after the game saying, Hey, we want to get Mike Washington more touches.
114:40Uh, Clint Kubiak's press conferences are very brief and he says about five word answers.
114:45And, uh, I don't think he believes anything that he says there.
114:48No, he doesn't. You almost have to respect it.
114:51You know, uh, like it's to the point that he's taken it.
114:54Um, and by the way, just on stats or so, um, I think hopefully on all our podcasts, not everything that I
115:01say has to be an exact fantasy take. Like I want to just mix in like, what am I watching?
115:06Like, I think that, you know, there's a, there's an aspect of both of you.
115:11We want to talk about that. Like both things can be true that Ashton Gentry can be a totally fine player in fantasy.
115:17And that also I'm a little bit underwhelmed and like the reasons why I'm a little bit underwhelmed.
115:22Like, I think like that type of stuff I want to keep hitting on, even if it's not like, Oh, he's going
115:29to be better than that in fantasy. It's like, okay, we can grow beyond that.
115:33That's a fantastic point. Thank you for saying that.
115:36Let's talk about the loss in this chargers next.
115:38So Amarn Hampton, his role has declined significantly and that's a disaster situation for people that drafted him.
115:43So Keaton Mitchell played 38% of the snaps in week three, Amarn Hampton down to 42%.
115:48And then Kamani Vidal jumped up to 25%. So it's not necessarily that Keaton Mitchell's role is necessarily growing here.
115:54It's that they're actually throwing in Kamani Vidal for certain situations.
115:57Justin Herbert has dropped back 69 times over the last two weeks.
116:00The routes from that department, Keaton Mitchell 22, Kamani Vidal 18, Amarn Hampton just 15.
116:05And then Amarn Hampton's targets just a 3.4% share.
116:07So it's very clear as you talked about on Sunday, Amarn Hampton's runs are directly upfield.
116:12Keaton Mitchell stuff is to the sideline. And every once in a while, some of that's working, but it's not the full
116:18workload in a good rushing offense that gives these guides the line of scrimmage.
116:22And that was the reason why I was willing to draft Amarn Hampton at the 1-2 turn.
116:27Yeah, I wasn't a big fan of Hampton watching him from the rookie season.
116:31And I think a lot of that kind of just proved true.
116:35He's not reliable in pass protection. And that's why they got Kamani Vidal for the first time out there is for the pass protection reps.
116:42And that doesn't matter that much, but it matters on the margins.
116:45What happened last week was fascinating. Just more of a commitment to Keaton Mitchell on the ground.
116:50And him getting that goal line carry, it wasn't not like a traditional goal line carry, but that does kind of suck on the margins for Amarn Hampton.
116:58And I think the bigger thing is just another week of the Chargers offense looks like a bottom 10-1, not a top 10-1.
117:05And they get the Seahawks this week as well.
117:07So Hampton's really falling in my running back rankings.
117:10He's still fast enough that he's going to hit the hole a couple times and really go crazy.
117:15And he is still a difficult tackle. But there's more to running back than just being a difficult tackle.
117:21That's kind of all he is. Yeah. All the other stuff, they kind of just segmented this backfield.
117:26And that was my concern. Kamani Vidal's not going to be fantasy relevant.
117:30He could just kind of be an annoyance. And I think we're already at that stage in week three.
117:35Yeah. Hampton doesn't have any make-you-miss capabilities. He has no lateral agility to his game.
117:39And he's big and runs fast in a straight line.
117:42And then he twists and turns on final contact.
117:45And it's kind of awkward in that area. And that's it.
117:48And we talked about it all summer long. This was one of those cases where I was kind of drafting situation over individual talent.
117:55And I shouldn't have done that. I shouldn't have done that.
117:58It's really that simple. Because the situation is worse than I could have ever imagined.
118:02To the point, Hayden. They face the Seattle Seahawks this week on the road.
118:06I don't know if you've already seen it. But what do you think the projected team total is for the Chargers right now?
118:13I do see it. But tell the audience, it's bad.
118:16It's 17 and three quarters points. That has already gone down by a point and a half since the markets opened.
118:22So, yeah. That's horrific. I never thought we'd be there with the Chargers this season.
118:26Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's also on my radar that QJ had the drop last week.
118:31QJ has really done nothing in terms of getting to the right spot at the right time.
118:36That I could easily see in week four, week five.
118:38Trey Harris just coming in and taking over that wide receiver two spot.
118:42And if that's the case, I think Trey Harris is extremely relevant in your waiver wires out there.
118:47Even starting this week. I'm not saying start him in week four.
118:51Just because this team is going to have to drop back so often.
118:55Based on the status of this rushing game and the defense.
118:58And how much they're just going to throw the football.
119:01That Trey Harris, just by virtue of being out there.
119:03Could end up as a wide receiver three. It was a season or a career high in expected points for him last week.
119:10And he split a couple zone defenders. And I was like, oh, there's a little bit more pop there.
119:16So, I agree with you. I can totally see it flipping in.
119:19Speaking of the waiver wire. Let's talk about the Miami Dolphins.
119:22It's Ollie Gordon versus Jalen Wright versus Malik Washington versus Chris Bell.
119:26What do you want to do this week? Considering it's not just, you know, week four that we're talking about.
119:31But I do want to throw out that they have a 13 and three quarters team total at this point.
119:37Look, that's the advantage of Ollie Gordon is that he's healthy right now over Jalen Wright.
119:42You are not starting a running back projected for 14 points, you know, like against the Vikings.
119:47Like there's no way. Like if you think you're picking up Ollie Gordon and starting him this week, you've lost the plot.
119:53And I think for that reason, I would rather take a swing on Jalen Wright long term because I just think he's the better player.
120:00And guess what? I'm not going to take that swing either.
120:03The swings I'm taking are at the wide receiver spot.
120:06Malik Washington got backfield work. After the game, Halfley was saying that he's cross-trained to both positions.
120:11He looks like Devon HN the most, like by far.
120:14Like he looks like the player that they can replace him with.
120:17He also stacked Mansour Delane way down the football field and Malik Willis overthrew him.
120:22But like he stacked a first round corner way down the football field.
120:26So, yeah, it's not going to matter because it's the Dolphins.
120:29But if I had to take one, it would absolutely be Malik Washington.
120:32You cannot convince me of the running backs here.
120:35Look at the chart. The projected team total has actually gone down during the show, Hayden.
120:40It's down to 13 and a half. And I'm not joking.
120:43I'm serious with that. That's brutal. That's brutal. Like so often when unfortunate injuries happen to running back spots, it turns into opportunity for someone else.
120:50However, Devon HN was averaging what? Like 10, 9 fancy points per game owning this entire backfield basically in the first two healthy weeks.
120:57So then you're kind of splitting that in half between two running backs that are kind of very different stylings.
121:03So that's, that's, I, I, maybe I'm wrong in the, in the long run because we have what?
121:0813 weeks, 14 weeks left in the fancy season.
121:11This is one of those few cases where I actually liked Ali Gordon heading into last year.
121:16I just feel so bad about this entire Dolphins operation at this point that I don't want to invest in him right
121:22now compared to, I think what other people will spend on them.
121:25I, it's not even the spending. It's the roster spot.
121:28I do not want a roster. It's not even about fab, but I do not want the roster spot on the Dolphins backfield.
121:35Um, it's, it's Malik Washington, by the way, he's a wide receiver, 21 expected points, wide receiver, 16 targets per game, wide
121:41receiver, 19 nary yards per game, wide receiver, nine and target share right now.
121:45Uh, he needs all that work because it's not, it's not going to be very efficient, but he's going to be a PPR scam this year.
121:53And then I also wanted to get your thoughts on Chris Bell.
121:56I thought there was a lot of like very interesting moments for him.
122:00Uh, PB man sort of laying a couple of times on press fan coverage, uh, on in breakers.
122:05And then also had a big, uh, in breaker for an explosive as well.
122:09So like, that's a pretty promising, that's a pretty promising player to me.
122:13Yeah. And we packaged that with what I thought was pretty promising first two weeks for Caleb Douglas on top of it too.
122:20Yeah. Uh, so again, I think that this is a wide receiver duo that they can build around.
122:25I'm just glad that they're getting reps out there and kind of learning, learning on the job.
122:30I mean, everyone's learning on the job in that offense.
122:32I would even say that Caden Proctor had a really good game at left guard.
122:37Um, it's weird. There's individuals that are there, but it's just like, it's just not, it's not cutting it right now.
122:43And the defense doesn't help at all. Cause you're just going to be a negative game script for the entire game.
122:49But Jacob Rodriguez, who is their second round linebacker.
122:51He's been awesome. It's every, it's everyone else. I have a soft spot for this Dolphins team.
122:56I want to watch them. I want to root for them.
123:00They, there is a, um, an acceptance of what they are and they're still going for it.
123:04And I've liked Halfley, like how honest he is up there.
123:08Same thing with Malik Willis. Like they've got some fun players.
123:11This team is terrible, obviously, but they are like a, you know, I I'm keeping my eye on them just because, you
123:17know, they're, they're taking like an optimistic lens over it all.
123:20Anything you want to say about the Minnesota Vikings who are next their opponent here in week four?
123:25Uh, we know Justin Jefferson actually came back with positive news on his ankle.
123:29He might even play here in week four, but Kyler Murray stepped in again.
123:34And they were part of that atrocious third quarter where I think they and the Bucks combined for 27 total yards in that entire quarter.
123:41Um, but Jordan Addison got home with, you know, the two big explosives on the field.
123:45Yeah. Addison had a couple of really bad moments in press man coverage, but at the same time, when you have that
123:52speed and you like that kind of relentless, there's like downfield, uh, you know, role, like it's going to pop off.
123:58I thought Kyler Murray played panic. I will say their right guard was, that was one of the worst performances from Will fries.
124:04Uh, their center was getting walked back. Like those two players, it wasn't the left guard.
124:09It wasn't really the tackle. It was the center and right guard got completely walked back, which is concerning because you're talking
124:15about Kyler Murray is a short quarterback and interior pressure is always just going to, uh, kind of spook him.
124:21Uh, yeah, it was a lot of downfield attempts, not really going anywhere.
124:25So if Addison or if Jefferson is out, I would absolutely play Jordan Addison as a top 25 fantasy wide receiver.
124:31Uh, but once Justin Jefferson's back there, like Addison can't be trusted until Kyler Murray, like shows like a little bit more stability in this offense.
124:38Let's talk to New England Patriots. I am the sicko that in the experts league started Drake May in each of the last three weeks.
124:45Just hopefully, hoping it's going to get better. Um, oh yeah.
124:49Yeah. I mean, there's nothing. It was CJ Stroud or Drake, man.
124:52I was just like, why not? Let's just go with, with Drake.
124:56Um, since the start of the post season last year, Drake may now has nine fumbles and 10 interceptions.
125:01Is there any hope? Can this turn around or is this just the sorry state of the Patriots offense?
125:07And Drake may is also just making complete boneheaded mistakes that he almost never did last year.
125:11He's playing awful. Um, there was this, I had a stat on the first read targets and they were dead last in that.
125:18I think that's, you know, a scheme stat. I think that's just, you know, the personnel you're throwing to, are they any good?
125:25And that they haven't been very good. And then also the quarterback playing there, but they're, they're dead last in the NFL.
125:31Like they have a negative EPA per play when they're throwing the ball to the first read.
125:36And then obviously out of structure has been a complete rollercoaster as well.
125:40Um, is there a fantasy starter period, you know, Travion Henderson and Ramond Ray.
125:44It was, it was a, you know, the same old stuff with them where it was very even.
125:49Uh, it wasn't a good game from anybody in this offense.
125:52They're projected for 20, uh, 0.75 points. Obviously we have running back ranking show tomorrow, but like that, that's my question is
125:58Ramond Ray got the goal line carry. Uh, and then Travion got a lot of this work early on.
126:04Um, are they good enough to carry like a legitimate, like split backfield, like 50, 50 here?
126:09And I, I'm not sure if the answer is yes.
126:12No, it's to the point where you have to be, they have to prove it to you to play anyone in the
126:18starting lineup right now in your fantasy line. That's fair.
126:21It really is that simple. Um, yeah, I've got no idea what I'm going to do with that quarterback spot.
126:27I, I don't even want to talk about it.
126:29Okay. Next, let's talk about the, uh, the new Orleans saints.
126:32Um, not too much to discuss with this team either, right?
126:35You have Chris Olave. You have Juwan Johnson, who I believe is a tight end four on the season right now.
126:42Just a heck of a pick, heck of a pick along with George could obeying the tight end three.
126:47Uh, the running back room, nothing was solved with Travis HN leaving.
126:50It's still a three person committee. And then you have Devon belly popping up as a questionable flex weekend and week out.
126:57Anything you want to add here? Uh, this seems projected for a lot of points this week.
127:02This team is playing at the league's highest pace.
127:04They are Tyler Shuck is like dropping back. Like I think it's like close to 50 times per game right now.
127:10And when you drop back 50 times per game, you can start everyone.
127:14And especially when, you know, they know what they have in Alvin Kamara, which is nothing.
127:19Same thing with Kendra Miller, you know, CJ Donaldson's the same rotation there.
127:22There's seems just going to live and die by the Tyler Shuck dropbacks.
127:26And, you know, Jawan Johnson's been highly, uh, interesting to watch after the catch.
127:30Um, but I think they lay is like a real starter this week.
127:34Um, we'll get to that in our wide receiver rankings episode on Friday.
127:38Uh, but he's the wide receiver 25 on wide receiver 22 usage this season.
127:42A lot of that was the first game there, but his, his, uh, week to week usage has stayed the exact same across.
127:48And I don't know why that would change this week.
127:51So I, I think that Bailey is like kind of like getting like, he's part of the trust, trust for you right now.
127:58New York jets. I talked a lot about Kenyan Sadiq on the waiver show.
128:02I want your take on Kenyan Sadiq, who I believe is the tight end six already on the season points per game.
128:08Uh, that's no tight, tight end eight. Excuse me.
128:11Uh, following up a, a 20 point week here.
128:13I know I'll be three. Tight end eight on tight end 21 usage.
128:17So he's getting home on explosives and some manufactured touches.
128:20Everything has worked to Sadiq. That's a win. He is still out there for 59% of the routes, 58% of the snaps.
128:26So we're still like overcoming this like part-time player that said, whenever he's on the field, they're going to get the ball to him.
128:33And that diving play, I mean, what a absolute missile that was from Gino Smith on that seam route.
128:39That was a, uh, not the first read and the play.
128:42So awesome play by Gino Smith. There's, you know, the attempted hurdle in the flat for Sadiq.
128:47We've gotten end of rounds for him as well.
128:49So I agreed with you and Joel that he would be my second waiver wire addition.
128:54Like, you know, I think Tyler Higbee this week could be really interesting, but like long term Sadiq is like, it's like
129:00getting too good to ignore on a team that's like largely going to be playing for the future.
129:05Um, so as long as Mason Taylor is not out there, I think that Sadiq is interesting.
129:10Yeah. I don't want to pour cold water on this.
129:13This is more of a football take than a fancy take.
129:16I do want to note for people that I don't believe that Ken and Sadiq is in the plans for this team
129:23to be like their isolated, singular tight end in 11 personnel looks, you know?
129:27So maybe they'll just live out of 12 personnel when Mason Taylor comes back because Omar Cooper, you know, is banged up
129:33and they don't want to put Isaiah Williams out there and all that type of stuff.
129:38Yeah. But what King Sadiq was doing was kind of that secondary piece in 12 most of the time and was given free releases.
129:45And as a movement player, I'm not saying that that's a negative for fancy football.
129:49Like that's good. We want the good athletic receiver to be utilized as an athletic receiver.
129:54Uh, I'm just saying overall, I don't know if we're going to see a full-time tight end 80% snap player during a
130:00large portion of his rookie season, but maybe we do get there at some point because been very high and Mason Taylor
130:06has been playing well when on the field. Yeah, I think it's a short-term addition, uh, with the chance that he's just
130:13like too good to put back in the back.
130:15So if Adonai Mitchell and Mason Taylor out, then he's going to be a top 10 fancy tight end for me.
130:21Um, and then, and flex by the other. Yes.
130:24Yeah, definitely flex possible. Garrett Wilson. That was unbelievable tape.
130:27I thought he had the lions DBs spinning in circles, um, for a lot of that game, like legitimately spinning in circles.
130:33Like they were playing a bunch of man coverage and they couldn't hang.
130:37So it was, it was the highest we had ranked Garrett Wilson heading into the week.
130:41And, you know, I'm probably going to double down on that.
130:44Gino Smith's playing good football, uh, 38% target share last week for Garrett Wilson with everyone else out of the lineup.
130:51And it's a, as good of a matchup against the Chicago bears.
130:54A hundred percent. I think Gino looks awesome too.
130:57It's so cool to see him dig in his feet and then just re rip that seam pass or the double move to Garrett Wilson.
131:04He he's kind of back to his Seattle Seahawks ways a little bit.
131:08And, you know, I think there's some offensive line problems when we can now talk about the running game.
131:13They're not creating a bunch of holes there, but, um, they're giving Gino enough time and enough, I would say comfort and
131:19confidence in them that he's willing to stick in there and fire these passes down the field.
131:24Do you agree with Joel and I that you would rather have Braylon Allen for two or three weeks than Ollie Gordon or Jalen Wright for 13 weeks?
131:32Yeah, I think so. Um, you just never know about the quad injury.
131:36I think that Braylon Allen's like a totally fine bench stash, like for the rest of the season, he's played 84 of
131:4288 snaps without Brees Hall on the field this season.
131:45I mean, that's, you know, it's hard to find.
131:48Um, Isaiah Davis has been active in all those games.
131:51He just has not played an offensive snap yet.
131:53Uh, and the Jets are 20, um, 0.1 expected half-peak pair points to the running back room through three weeks.
131:59So if you give, you know, 80% of that to Braylon Allen, you have an RB2.
132:04Seattle Seahawks. Second to last team. We're going to stay in the running back room here.
132:08It's the only thing to talk about the Seahawks.
132:11Uh, Jadarian Price had a bad fumble kind of on like a second phase of being tackled.
132:16Uh, it sucks because he opened with like a really nice 11 yard run.
132:20They did bring him back out there just for a couple snaps.
132:23And one of those was a wheel route that I swear Hayden, if he was going up against anyone other than Sonny
132:30Stiles, it would have been a nice gain, but Sonny Stiles stayed stride for stride and tipped it away.
132:35A great PBU by him. But, um, like, look, we talked about Basial Tootin stacking strong performances and earning trust.
132:41It's kind of getting to this point where Jadarian Price is doing a little bit of the opposite in a way where
132:47in week two, it was the injury that sidelined him for the entire fourth quarter.
132:51And especially here, losing a fumble in a losing effort that doesn't generate more opportunities for you in terms of stacking games.
132:58I mean, no one's going to have a good read on this.
133:01Um, I don't know. I mean, you're going to go back to the same too, by the way.
133:06I agree. But also got two different goal line opportunities on different drives.
133:10Holani got a goal line opportunity. And then even without the fumbles, like Emmanuel Wilson was getting subbed in at goal line before the fumbles.
133:17He was closing out the game with a chest injury.
133:20You know, like I'm going to listen to whatever they're say, uh, and like read up on the Seahawks reporters on what we're going to do here.
133:28But like my expectation is that Jadarian Price is going to be in a three back committee until proven otherwise.
133:34And you know, Charbonnet is not that far away from returning here.
133:37Um, so like, unfortunately, like the window is closing on Jadarian Price.
133:41Like we needed him to be balling out right now.
133:44And it's just not seized the opportunity. They don't trust him in pass protection at all.
133:48Uh, and the fumbles aren't, aren't helping. And then obviously, you know, Sonny Stiles, like both of those plays, like the, the punch out on Price.
133:56And then also that coverage, that is what an all pro linebacker looks like.
134:00And like, he is, he's massive. Uh, so it's like so cool to watch him play.
134:04Yeah. I would have loved if they saved that wheel route for, you know, against a different linebacker, not named, not named Sonny Stiles.
134:11Uh, that would have been great. And maybe one of the Chargers linebackers this week, you know, that would have been cool.
134:18Like Deion Henley, throw it against him instead of Sonny Stiles.
134:21Yeah. Uh, I don't think we need to throw out the dozen awesome Jason's stats out there because, you know, Jason's like
134:27the best pick and facey football at this moment.
134:30Yep. I agree. Okay. Might start him. We'll close with the Tennessee Titans and maybe every week we should close with the
134:36Tennessee Titans, uh, just because there's like nothing left to add here.
134:39I mean, truly nothing left, uh, unless you want to talk about like Alec Ayannor.
134:44I understand Cardinal Tate got a little bit more involved here, but I mean the 30-ish seconds left in the clock, having
134:50two timeouts and throwing the interception in the red zone is just ridiculous stuff when you can at least send it into overtime.
134:57I didn't watch the Zayns. They're in the rain.
134:59I've had enough of this offense, so I didn't learn anything.
135:02They were not on my to-do list. So unless you have more notes than that.
135:07Uh, no, I don't. Um, they are projected for 16 and a quarter point.
135:11So they should thank the Miami Dolphins for keeping them from the bottom of the barrel.
135:15And they face the Baltimore Ravens here in week four, Hayden.
135:19So just, just when you think. Yeah. Just when you think.
135:22It can't get worse. It gets worse. Um, one note, Pollard's the running back 28 and running back 25 usage.
135:27He's still just playing a lot more snaps than Spears.
135:30But like, you know, don't play him. He's great for your bench, but don't play him.
135:35Yes. And my market share of carries and snaps leak.
135:38Tony Pollard is a fine flex option. He's positive.
135:40I agree. All right. That's going to do it for us.
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