0:00Oh yes, Week 3 is complete and this is our Game by Game Recap Show where we talk you through all of it.
0:07And hopefully we learn something. I'm not sure if we did.
0:10I mean there are five 3-0 teams, five 0-3 teams, and a bunch of nonsense in between, but that's what we're supposed to do here.
0:18Figure out the nonsense in your fancy lineups. Tell you how all the players produced or underperformed in expectation.
0:24And Hayden will kick it off with one of those 3-0 teams now, the Buffalo Bills, beating the LA Chargers.
0:3024-16. The Chargers out to a 10-0 start. In my opinion, this could have jump-started their entire season.
0:35And yet, in the end, they lose by 8.
0:38How'd it happen? Teams entered today with two wins, 119 losses, and a tie when losing the turnover battle by 4-plus in
0:44the regular season according to Sumer Sports since 2016.
0:47And the Chargers, of course, became the third team to lose with that.
0:51And it was embarrassing for the Chargers because a lot of these Bills turnovers were not because the Chargers were making exceptional plays.
0:58Like James Cook fumbled the ball, Dalton Kincaid fumbled yards after the catch moment.
1:02There was a really fluky interception down the football field to Genesis Smith.
1:06Josh Allen had a very uncharacteristic interception over the middle as well.
1:10So the ball was bouncing the correct way for the Chargers, and they still lost this one by 8 points.
1:16I think in the first half of the game, Josh Allen, it seemed like a lot of the cover 2s and cover
1:226, cover 4, 2-deep zone coverages from the Chargers were kind of keeping Josh Allen quiet.
1:27But by the second half of the game, James Cook just chunk run after chunk run.
1:32Josh Allen finished off a couple drives with some tush-pushes as he typically does.
1:36DJ Moore, a couple chunk plays over the middle.
1:39Nothing too explosive down the football field. He nearly scored a touchdown with this one.
1:44And then Ty Johnson, out-of-structure plays out there. So it was, I think, a fine game from the Buffalo Bills offense in
1:50general, aside from the 5 turnovers, which is obviously a huge caveat there.
1:54But really just an embarrassing loss for the Chargers here.
1:57I thought the offense was still stuck in the mud.
2:00I thought Harbaugh made some really bad decisions. We'll get to that in a little bit.
2:05On the Buffalo Bills side, though, late in the game, Josh Allen kind of gets hit in his knee.
2:11In the postgame, he's kind of leaning over on one side.
2:14He was walking pretty gingerly. That's going to be the big storyline on the Buffalo Bills side.
2:19It's making sure that Josh Allen's knee injury isn't a severe one.
2:23I mean, hey, Josh Allen turns the ball over multiple times.
2:26But then that just shows you how dominant you can be in fantasy football as a quarterback with your legs.
2:32The two rushing touchdowns. You know, I was kind of watching this one as well.
2:37And you said embarrassing for the Chargers. I mean, is it not embarrassing that this offense that everybody projected to be really
2:43good, they have failed to score 20 points in any game this season?
2:47Talk about embarrassing versus the Chargers. I thought the loss versus the Cardinals was embarrassing.
2:52Then we kind of thought the loss versus the Raiders, which we'll talk about in a little bit, maybe a little bit
2:59embarrassing for what we expected this offense to be.
3:01I know we focus on the winning team. This Chargers team, y'all, I'm just, I'm very, very concerned.
3:07And Hayden, I'm going to get there at some point, right?
3:10But the rushing attack, I'm looking at the running backs.
3:13And we've kept dancing around this for the first couple of weeks about Omarion Hampton.
3:18I know he scored, but he has not looked great to me.
3:21He hasn't looked awful. But he hasn't looked like this dominant first-round running back that I thought would be just this huge fantasy difference maker.
3:29I think we're going to at least get close to, if not have already pressed the panic button on multiple teams and multiple offenses already three weeks in.
3:37Yeah, Omarion Hampton, this was a very concerning game.
3:4015 carries for 56 yards. It's not just like the yards per carry.
3:44All of his touches are kind of right up the middle at this point.
3:48And the interior offensive line is not going to pick those ones up.
3:52He only played 42% of the snaps. He played two of 16 snaps on third and fourth downs.
3:58Late in the game, Kamani Vidal was out there in catch-up mode.
4:01There was also like a flea flicker early on where they did not trust Omarion Hampton.
4:06This was on a first down, I believe. And Kamani Vidal was out there for that flea flicker.
4:11And then just kind of big picture, if you watch all the Keaton Mitchell runs, it's all the runs to the sideline.
4:18And then all of the runs up the middle are Omarion Hampton.
4:22It is a bad sign that in the third week of the season, it seems like McDaniel has kind of pivoted off
4:28trying to get to the Omarion Hampton, Devon Achan role to the perimeter where he thinks he's going to be more north-south.
4:35They don't have north-south blockers up front. And this is another game.
4:39No receptions for Omarion Hampton. He has two catches in the first three games, and the Chargers are 0-3 in them.
4:45They have a negative 32-point differential, and he's still not getting involved in the pass game.
4:50I'm not even blaming McDaniel on that. This is just looking like a bust in fantasy for Omarion Hampton.
4:56I do not know how this one turns around.
4:58Yeah, it sounds like a tell to me. Like, if me and you can watch the Chargers and we know that Keaton
5:05Mitchell's runs are going to be the outside, and then Omarion Hampton's up the middle, then defenses will key on that as well.
5:12As you said, 15 carries, 56 yards for Hampton, just one target.
5:15Meanwhile, Keaton Mitchell, 8 carries, 52 yards, and then he did have one receiving score despite having negative five receiving yards on the day.
5:23Just a quick question on there, and then I'll get to the pass catchers.
5:27I don't, at least from my seat, I don't see how Keaton Mitchell can be a running back one for an NFL team.
5:34He's just too light to me, Hayden. Do you think we're headed in a direction where he is the quote-unquote running back one?
5:41Or is this just a 50-50 split where really both of them aren't going to matter in the long run?
5:47I think it's going to be a committee, but I think it's going to be a committee where they're going to use the fullback in pass protection snaps.
5:55They're going to have Kamani Vidal in pass protection snaps.
5:58So, like, it's kind of like an early down committee.
6:01And then that touchdown for Keaton Mitchell, it was two Hampton runs up the middle.
6:06On third and at the goal line, they did a Keaton Mitchell little sweep where Justin Herbert throws for a touchdown.
6:12It's really just a run play. Keaton Mitchell did break a couple tackles on that touchdown.
6:17Like, he had to, like, evade a defensive tackle.
6:20There was one time where he did take on some decent contact near the perimeter.
6:24Keaton Mitchell does not have the size to be the number one.
6:28And I don't think Omari Hampton is so bad that he can't stay involved in this committee.
6:33Like, that is not where we're at here. It's just that what Hampton is good at is not what the Chargers have.
6:40And I think that's going to be pretty frustrating, especially when the pass game is as dysfunctional as it was in this one.
6:47Like, there's just not going to be that many red zone opportunities for Omari and Hampton to take the goal line dives in.
6:54Yeah. Uh, lots of conversation of Vlad McConkie heading into this one.
6:57Five targets, four receptions, 66 yards. Trey Harris, six for 76.
7:01And QJ, three for 40. Any signs of life for any of those?
7:05Because, again, going back to last week, Vlad was the only consistent part.
7:09And here, again, just 66 yards on four receptions.
7:11Vlad got a big play late in the game, like in complete trail mode.
7:15But Quinton Johnson, third and 10 drop. That was a really bad one and a very high, high impact moment.
7:22Arande Gadsden had a big drop. It was kind of like a ball was a little bit high from Justin Herbert.
7:28That was a big play. And then Vlad McConkie, they had man coverage rep, like on the high red zone, throws it
7:34up there for a could be touchdown. And Vlad McConkie and Justin Herbert weren't able to connect on that.
7:40And this is something that just Tom Brady was saying throughout the game is like when Vlad McConkie is your number one
7:47and he's that small and he's like working on the football field.
7:51Like you have to be so precise for that to work.
7:54And like you felt that from this past game here, nothing really explosive all the way down the football field.
8:00Justin Herbert had a really, really, really terrible interception.
8:03I do not know how he did not see the safety over the middle of the football field.
8:08I'll also mention there was another end zone interception from Justin Herbert.
8:12That one was called back on a holding play that I didn't really think that was involved in that place.
8:18That would have been a really bad second interception for Justin Herbert.
8:21And then on late downs, 54% pressure rate on late down snaps.
8:25So too many drops, not enough hero moments from Justin Herbert.
8:28And then like nothing came really easy here because all the runs to Amari and Hampton weren't working.
8:34So a lot of the same old stuff from the Chargers offense here.
8:38And my last thing on them, Harbaugh makes way too many mistakes in just like punting the ball, going for it, all that type of thing.
8:46Like there was a situation, fourth and three at the three yard line, and they attempt a field goal.
8:51They miss it. There was also a play early in the game.
8:55Third and five is a run play for three yards to set up a fourth and two at the 13 yard line.
9:02After running it on third and five, they opted for a field goal.
9:05Then they have a fourth and four from the four yard line.
9:09They go for a field goal then. So it's like field goal, field goal, field goal, and like all of these like 50-50 spots.
9:16And then later in the game, now because they're losing, it's fourth and 10 at their own 45.
9:22And that's when they decide to go for a field goal.
9:25Like this is just like, it's really, really, or try to go for it on fourth down.
9:30It's just like really terrible management from Harbaugh. Way too conservative.
9:34Like really reminds me of the D'Amico Ryan stuff we'll get to in a little bit.
9:38But like this team cannot be conservative. Their defense isn't good enough.
9:42Their offense isn't good enough. Like this team has to be aggressive in these situations.
9:47And Harbaugh continuously just is way too conservative. And it really costs the Chargers early in this game.
9:52My last question for you, Hayden, on the Buffalo side, Dalton Kincaid's been on a heater to start the season.
9:58And I did see the play where he was fighting for extra yards, fumbled the ball.
10:03Was this just the product of the Chargers defended him really well?
10:06They said, we're going to take away Dalton Kincaid.
10:09Is there anything to worry about moving forward? Or do you just kind of, he's going to have one of those games.
10:16He's not going to smash every week, but I'm not worried about Kincaid.
10:20Mostly the latter there. I mean, obviously the DJ Moore missing last week probably helped Dalton Kincaid out.
10:25And DJ Moore had 10 targets on 26 Josh Allen dropbacks.
10:29Like that's a huge number for DJ Moore. And I think that the offense is going to funnel between the two of them.
10:36I will say, I think when we go back and watch this game on all 22, I do think the Chargers were
10:42doing some interesting things in zone coverage. There's a lot of moments where Josh Allen was kind of holding onto the ball for a tick longer.
10:50Getting to like this fourth, fifth read in a play.
10:53So I just think that was like the Chargers defense playing a lot better in their like zone communication more than anything else.
11:00Just to finish up on the tight end note, Aranda Gadsden only played 39 of 69 snaps in this game.
11:06Far from a full time player, zero receptions, zero receiving yards on top of it.
11:11And yeah, to your point, Hayden, for teams that, you know, go for it on fourth down or don't.
11:16The number one thing is you have to be consistent with all of that.
11:21Right. And it sounds like Harbaugh is just inconsistent with his decision making in those fourth down situations.
11:26OK, let's talk about some fun teams. All right.
11:29Detroit, Detroit at home improves to two and one as they beat the New York Jets 31 to 24.
11:34The Jets actually take a lead in the second quarter.
11:37Kenyon Sadiq, first round pick, Oregon 24 yard touchdown down the seam versus a defensive back.
11:42Lays out for it. Just a sweet throw, a sweet grab that only had a 16 percent chance of being completed.
11:49They get it done. Lions respond with Amara St.
11:51Brown touchdown after a nice kickoff return. But the fireworks and I mean real fireworks really started in the second half.
11:58It is 17 yard. Jameer Gibbs touchdown one of three on the day.
12:02You have to go back and watch this score.
12:04A crazy deceleration once he gets to the line of scrimmage.
12:08Cut back to the left. Acceleration to then pull away from the stop start defenders to win towards the front pylon.
12:14That's a 17 seven lead. Jets have a chance to respond.
12:17They get it down to the seven. But back to back sacks then forces them into a field goal situation.
12:23So let's keep in mind these four point plays.
12:26We go back and forth with a couple of touchdowns.
12:29Lions get the ball stuffed on fourth and two on their own 46.
12:33Speaking of Dan Campbell being aggressive in those fourth down situations.
12:36And then Garrett Wilson comes down with a sick double move touchdown on fourth and six.
12:41He was still interfered with but still came down with a grab.
12:45All square at 24 after our guy Sterling Shepard.
12:48Yes, he's on the Jets. Two point conversion. Uh, but again, drive and the game comes down to an 11 yard receiving touchdown for Jameer Gibbs.
12:55And while the Jets on their final drive of the game get down to the 28 yard line, Garrett Wilson, who has
13:02his first 100 yard day, Hayden, since 2024 exits on the next snap.
13:06And Geno Smith fumbles on an unblocked pressure for Chuck Clark.
13:09And the game is over. So while the Jets are one and two, they showed fight.
13:14They were feisty. Geno on the day, 31 of 37, 321 three scores.
13:18But the five sacks in the end with a sack fumble close it out for the Lions.
13:23I think for the Lions, it's always just Jameer Gibbs and Amon Ross St.
13:27Brown in the end zone. I think just to me, my questions for the Lions is, is the defense as bad as it was in the previous weeks?
13:36And it does seem like the answer to that was yes.
13:39And then the follow up to that would be like, what does that mean for Sam Laporta and Jameson Williams?
13:45So those are like the ancillary pieces that we need to get into fantasy lineup.
13:50So just how bad was it for Detroit secondary?
13:53Well, the secondary was rough. I mean, what they're, they're, they're down like four safeties on top of this.
13:58So how good can you be? You know, they, one of their corners was, you know, DPI and letting downfield shots and all that type of stuff.
14:06But at the same time, Hayden, it's kind of tough to gauge because it's not like the Jets had that many pass catchers out there.
14:14Like we know Sadiq is running down the middle and down the seam.
14:18And then Garrett Wilson is, is on the outside.
14:21But other than that, Ray, the huge talking point is Brees Hall leaving this game.
14:25I think in the third quarter, maybe it was actually in the fourth quarter.
14:29He got two carries at the four yard line.
14:32And then the second one goes down with what looks like a thigh or quad injury.
14:37And those can linger and linger and linger for a while.
14:40So while Bruce looked great early on, he looked good in other games this season.
14:45Uh, we might be seeing a time and a stint on the sideline for him.
14:49Well, Josh, I, I believe at the beginning of the season coming in, you put it out there that you thought this
14:56Jets team, at least offensively, would be a lot better than we had remembered or had thought about the Jets being.
15:02And I'm looking at them and, and the first thing that's jumping out is how long have we been like wanting Garrett Wilson to be a thing?
15:11It seems like it's happening this year. He's, he's not Jamar Chase.
15:14He's not JSN. It's not at that level, but this feels like you've got a top seven ish top eight wide receiver right here in Garrett Wilson.
15:22Rest of the way I'm watching Braylon Allen and I know they like to use him close to the goal line.
15:29And if Bruce is out, do you, do you think, or would expect Braylon Allen to assume the majority of the rushing work?
15:36Or is it going to be a nasty committee here in New York?
15:40No, I think it'll be Braylon Allen. And I can't tell you how successful that'll be.
15:44He definitely has a different kind of, let's say running style than, than Brie Salt.
15:49Yeah. I mean, to your point, Ray, the Jets are better than their one and two record.
15:54And these, you know, losses the last two weeks, 20 to 17 to the Packers, which in that game, by the way, Jordan Love only threw.
16:02For 145 yards, the leading rusher on the opposition was 32 yards.
16:06I would assume that some Jets fans are frustrated by the coaching.
16:09And I would say Aaron Glenn had some maybe questionable decision making at the end of the first half.
16:15And then again, they only lose in a one possession game here.
16:18But they have enough going on offense to get like their best players, the football.
16:23Again, it was Wilson and Sadiq. Wilson and Sadiq.
16:26And then even on top of it, like Jeremy Ruckett went five for 39 and he had a red zone touchdown on top of it.
16:33And even Jelani Woods has this awesome grab to himself along the sidelines.
16:37So while their rushing game only went, you know, 19 carries for 58 yards, they were still figuring it out in the passing game.
16:44And that gives me some hope and a lot more hope, Hayden, than I was expecting with Frank Wright heading into the season.
16:51That's for sure. Sadiq 105 yards and a touchdown with Mason Taylor out.
16:55The obviously that night Mitchell injury like that seems like that can linger for a little bit now.
17:01Like tight ends really deep in fantasy. But where would you stack up Kenyon Sadiq going into next week?
17:07Okay. I think he has entered himself into the flex conversation for as long as Mason Taylor is out.
17:12There's like 14, 15 deep at tight end right now.
17:15But among these wide receivers that on a weekly basis are getting like four for 44 or these running backs that run
17:22into horrible matchups and they're in split backfields. I really think that we should be looking at these tight ends that are
17:29in favorable situations that are top two or three in terms of target getters on their team.
17:34This is where the NFL is right now. And Kenyon Sadiq, he just ran some crossing routes over and over and won't
17:40have to catch on a few of them too.
17:43I mean, eight targets, seven receptions, 105 yards is definitely the way to go.
17:47Just quickly on that note, speaking of one of the wide receivers that constantly gives us a roller coaster, Jamison Williams had
17:54two targets on the first drive and two catches.
17:57Then I don't think got another target until the third quarter and he had another two catches on that drive.
18:03And that was it. So there are these moments that maybe on the sideline or heading into a game, it's like, OK,
18:09we got to get Jamo the ball and these outbreakers or, you know, force some things in his direction.
18:15And then yet he goes silent completely in between.
18:18So just four catches for 49 yards. And Isaac Tesla somehow, some way actually is a 66 yards and tops the receivers.
18:25I mean, it comes down to that 49 yarder that he caught after and over the middle of the field.
18:31So the lines are very straightforward. And hopefully he had the 101 Ray to draft Jameer Gibbs because it's another three touchdown day for him.
18:38So let me ask you this, Josh, let me ask you this, because we talked about this Lions team and this offense being great.
18:45And I just want to ask you, is the Lions offense actually that good schematically or is Jamir Gibbs just that good and changes the defensive math?
18:54Because I mean, I'm in Rosamond, you're not going to panic.
18:57I know he didn't have a lot of yards.
19:00He scored the touchdown. But I'm looking at this offense like it feels like it's Gibbs or bust for a lot of Detroit.
19:07Ray, I don't want to, you know, spoil anything ahead, but they do play the Carolina Panthers on Sunday night football.
19:13And the Carolina Panthers might be out Mike Jackson and JC Horn on that Sunday night football game.
19:18So I think the Lions might have an explosion next Sunday night.
19:22That's three straight games. The Lions have finished with exactly 31 points to which would lead the league in most seasons.
19:28And over the next three games, Panthers defense, Cardinals defense and Packers defense.
19:32So this might be the sweet spot here for the Detroit Lions.
19:36All right, Ray, we're headed to you. Speaking of the NFC South, every team is one and two or oh and two
19:42as the Las Vegas frickin Raiders are three and oh on the season as they beat the Saints.
19:48It's 35 to 27 with a huge return of Brock Bowers.
19:5110 catches, 116 yards and a score. Yeah, this is I said it last week.
19:56If there was an early favorite for coach of the year, I think it would be Clint Kubiak.
20:01I'm watching this Raiders team and this was not a cakewalk form.
20:05First quarter, three zero. Las Vegas outgained New Orleans 63 to 11 as far as yardage output.
20:10Ashton Gentry at three carries, six yards. He really struggled in this one.
20:14But in the second quarter, second year quarterback Tyler Shuck really found his groove.
20:18And you look at what he did in the second quarter.
20:2110 for 16 passing, 91 yards and two touchdowns.
20:24And even through then, Chris Olave only three catches, 41 yards up to that point.
20:29Nothing really happened in the third quarter. The game stayed 16 to 13.
20:33Neither offense really separated. And then at the end, it was just absolute chaos.
20:37It was fun. Tyler Shuck got up to four passing touchdowns in this one.
20:41We finally saw Chris Olave's usage start to expand.
20:44He crossed over 100 yards in that fourth quarter.
20:47Let me give you some history from this game.
20:49Six receiving touchdowns by tight ends in this game.
20:52The most in the NFL since 1981. It's the year of the tight ends.
20:56Yeah, Noah Fant, Juwan Johnson, Brock Bowers. This was a game of all the tight ends.
21:01And the biggest takeaway from this Las Vegas side, y'all, I can't, we cannot.
21:05You look at this Raiders team, there's no real wide receiver of consequence but Brock Bowers.
21:10I mean, Kirk Cousins had like laser focus for number 89.
21:13He didn't score until the end. But Bowers going into half, he had seven for 87 at halftime for Brock Bowers.
21:20And he finished with 116 yards in the touchdown.
21:23Ashton Gentry really struggled against this New Orleans defense to find rushing opportunity.
21:26The most explosive running play came from Mike Washington who had a big run in this game.
21:32Ashton Gentry, you're not worried about it because the volume was there.
21:3519 carries, but just couldn't find a lot of success.
21:38And on the other side of the ball, sticking with the running backs, it felt like, y'all, this was the game.
21:45They said, all right, Travis HN, we're going to feed you.
21:48We're going to feature you. We're going to throw you the ball.
21:52We're going to run you, right? 13 carries, 57 yards.
21:55He looked fine. But then in the third quarter, hamstring injury.
21:58And then all of a sudden, you look up and it's Kendra Miller.
22:02It's Alvin Kamara bobbling, toss plays out of the backfield.
22:05But you just, Tyler Shuck, it wasn't clean. It wasn't perfect.
22:08But Kellen Moore is just such a creative play caller.
22:11The way they utilized Juwan Johnson, four more passing touchdowns.
22:14He was quite inefficient in this one. And the game ended on a Tyler Shuck throw to Juwan Johnson.
22:20It fumbled away. We were probably all watching that.
22:23But I mean, as long as they're going to continue to just air this thing out, I mean, Tyler Shuck is locked and loaded as a starter.
22:31Brock Bowers, absolutely dominant in this game. This was a really fun game.
22:35And again, the Raiders are 3-0 right now in an offense that, like, if you've got to scream Kirk Cousins, you can
22:41do a hell of a lot worse than that.
22:44Wow. You got to give me the goods on Brock Bowers.
22:47How did he look? Like, how is he fitting in the Kubiak offense?
22:51Yeah. Like, is this JSN? Is this typical Brock Bowers?
22:54Everything. No joke. I don't know what was wrong with him.
22:58The knee, it didn't look like anything was wrong with Brock Bowers.
23:01Short, down the field, crossing routes. It was hyper-target Brock Bowers all over the field.
23:06They were putting two on him. He couldn't be stopped.
23:09He looked unstoppable. And if you're talking about a guy first game of the season, just back from the knee injury, and
23:16this is Bowers, let's just say 90%, 85%. Like, this is your tight end one, but he's really, like, your wide receiver one for Las Vegas.
23:23Right. I know you said we shouldn't be worried about Ashton Gentry, and he did get three catches for 37 yards.
23:30I am a bit worried about his rushing success on the ground right now over these last two games.
23:35And look, we're talking about the Chargers defense and the Saints defense here, right?
23:40He went 21 for 48 last week and 19 for 56 here.
23:43And we know, obviously, that Mike Washington had that long run of 36 yards on the touchdown.
23:48So is this just poor blocking up front? Is this something that can get fixed?
23:53I understand that once we get volume, no matter what on 22 touches, you should get there to a degree that is startable on a weekly basis.
24:01But I think this is the concern heading into the season that the Raiders offensive line just struggles to run block at this moment.
24:08So I'll tell you, their highly paid center was on the ground a lot more than I would have liked to seen Tyler Linderbaum.
24:16When you guys watch that one back, you'll see him on the ground quite a bit.
24:20I'll just say this. Watching Gentry, you're not concerned because the volume is there.
24:25What was he dealing with coming in this season?
24:27The high ankle sprain? He doesn't quite look Gentry-esque right now.
24:31So maybe this is something that, hey, finish the game healthy.
24:34Maybe that ankle will heal up as we go.
24:37Mike Washington had the most explosive play, but they are very much committed to Gentry, who, again, dropped, I think, two passes
24:43in this game as well after dropping about three last week.
24:47Like, catch the ball, Ashton Gentry, please. Yeah, I'm looking at the grades, too.
24:51Ashton Gentry's getting lit up in pass protection, apparently.
24:54And then I saw a reporter saying that the trainers were looking at his ankles again on the sideline there.
25:00Look, man, Ashton Gentry has to break more tackles and show more explosiveness.
25:04It's kind of that simple. I mean, this is the second straight year of it.
25:08In this game, he did have decent yards before contact.
25:11There's just like he's not hitting enough explosives on the ground.
25:15And it's very similar to what we had last year.
25:18And then when you get Mike Washington in there, and then he immediately has a 36-yard touchdown.
25:23That wasn't the most well-blocked play either. For example, I think I would rather have Brock Bowers and Ashton Gentry rest of the season, just straight up.
25:31Absolutely. Like, I was doing a draft today. And I think that was a no discussion two weeks ago.
25:37And I think at this point, it would be Brock Bowers over Gentry in my rankings.
25:41Yeah, interesting point. I think a lot of fantasy shows might, if you redrafted, take Ashton Gentry in the top 12.
25:48I can't wait to go back and re-watch this one.
25:51By the way, this Raiders offense gets the Kansas City Chiefs next week in a cool AFC West showdown.
25:57You talk through it. We know about Olave. We know about Jawan Johnson.
26:01I mean, again, hopefully you have like George Kittle and Jawan Johnson that we talked about so much this summer.
26:07That means you have four touchdowns from tight ends and you're playing both guys in the tight end spot and the flex.
26:13A-Chan entered this game with a hamstring. He exits with a hamstring.
26:17Ray, we always talk about running back insurance and condensed backfields and all this type of stuff.
26:22Is there any hope for the Saints backfield moving forward?
26:25What is it right now? I would recommend you find somebody else.
26:29Like, Alvin Gimel was fine. He was NFL fine, but he looks like a 30-year-old running back that never really was used
26:35as a true do-it-all bell cow running back. Kendra Miller was getting lit up once he got into the game.
26:41It's Tyler Shuck. It's Shuck or bust. It's Shuck it to down the field to Chris Olave, Shuck it to Jawan Johnson.
26:48And Kellen Moore obviously trusts him. I mean, they're throwing it all over the place.
26:5248 pass attempts for him. The efficiency wasn't there.
26:55There will be issues if A-Chan is going to miss time.
26:59There's going to be significant issues in that backfield.
27:01Sorry. I want to watch it. Backup left tackle.
27:04Sorry, Josh. No, you're good. Yeah. Hey, I mean, you were...
27:07Because Banks was out, right? He's got a high ankle sprain, so he's not coming back anytime soon for New Orleans.
27:14And it showed at the end. I mean, Shuck was under duress big time towards the end of that game.
27:20So it's Shuck, it's Johnson, and it's Chris Olave moving forward from this offense that you really feel confident and comfortable putting in your fantasy lineup.
27:28Yeah, Saints get the Falcons next week, and then right after that, it's the Minnesota Vikings.
27:32So they better get that offensive line right against the Vikings and the pass protection.
27:37That's for sure. Okay, Ray, we go from bad to worse for you.
27:41As your Dallas Cowboys lose on the last second field goal to the Baltimore Ravens, 34-31.
27:46Now, positive. I think you could argue this is the best international game of all time.
27:51I mean, they gave the Brazilians a show down there.
27:54I mean, the Cowboys open 10-0. Ravens then go on a 24-3 run, two touchdowns by Derrick Henry, and a short touchdown catch by, yes, Chris Moore.
28:02I will say, I mean, obviously this game is back and forth.
28:05I won't talk through it all. Some of the more shocking elements was that Derrick Henry was stopped at least twice in
28:12terms of turnover on downs in third and fourth and short situations, one on the goal line.
28:17Ja'Shawn Barham, who stepped in here in the starting lineup, wears no gloves, no wrist tape, no elbow pads, just naked arms
28:24out there with long hair, made play after play as a fill player.
28:28And then for the Cowboys, I mean, yes, obviously everyone could have predicted Kevante Turpin getting two goal line touchdowns, one and
28:34two passes, I think, won a jet sweep and then won a receiving touchdown.
28:39But CeeDee Lamb and George Pickens, while they didn't find the end zone, were just all over the place.
28:44Both had seven catches, 112 and 82 yards, respectively.
28:47Kevante gets in there for a short yardage touchdown.
28:50But the game at the end and just the moment was, I'm going to say, ball don't lie type stuff, where to
28:56me, Ray, as a unbiased person, I think a horrible call by the refs sets the Cowboys up at the one yard line.
29:03Nate Wiggins is trying to play the ball, gets his eyes turned, yet his arm is hooked with CeeDee Lamb.
29:09They call it DPI, which to me, it was preventing Nate Wiggins from catching an interception, which would have ended the game.
29:16The Cowboys get it at the one or two yard line.
29:19They can only settle for a field goal. Tie game, seven seconds left.
29:23A 27-yard pass to Zay Flowers, who played a lot more than, let's say, his five for 84 would suggest, and a
29:30lot more than I think was reported ahead of this game.
29:33And then Tyler Lou walks it off with a Sui, 56-yard field goal in the end.
29:38So yeah, you can see here on the screen, just the up and down rollercoaster nature of this second half.
29:44Some highs from both, but some lows from both as well here, Ray.
29:48Yeah, I feel them. My heart still hurts from this one because I thought we'd be delayed in recording this because I
29:55was like, oh, we're going to overtime. We got it.
29:58But as you said, ball don't lie because that was not a pass interference call.
30:02I thought that was great, great defense by Nate Wiggins down there.
30:06Very, and I want your take because I'm watching this game clearly with some, a little bit of a bias lens.
30:12Yeah, of course. Dallas's defense, I mean, they came to play.
30:16This would have been two weeks in a row.
30:18Old Ray Garvin would have been without a home because I would have bet my mortgage that Derrick Henry would have had
30:25150 yards in this game and gotten close to 200 yards.
30:283.4 an attempt on 26 carries. I thought the defense was phenomenal against him and outside of a Lamar Jackson, a couple
30:35of runs later on, I know Lamar got down the field.
30:38Did Derrick Henry, was there anything in this one that concerned you with Henry in particular?
30:43I mean, two touchdowns. I'm talking about him running the ball.
30:46Did he look like the king or was this just Dallas's defense, which has not been good against the run?
30:52Talk about Derrick Henry. Yeah, Derrick Henry's always been an interesting runner in that he is this mammoth monster, robotic of a build.
30:59And yet to me, always needs a little bit of a runway to get going and look his best.
31:05And a bunch of those stuffed carries were when offensive linemen or lead blockers were stuck at the line of scrimmage and
31:12he kind of ran into the back of them and then took a couple of steps back and then tried to restart his momentum.
31:19So there's nothing different about Derrick Henry to me.
31:22It was more just this kind of shuffling Ravens offensive line.
31:25Like by the end of the game, Ethan Posich looks like he hyperextended his left knee.
31:30He exited their first round pick and Vinga Ioni had to come in and snap footballs and play center on the game.
31:37Wow. To nearly game winning drive. I think he only had 14 snaps in his collegiate career back in 2024 and that's it.
31:44And they were still able to win. So I know they've already gone through two centers at this point and who knows if that is the case here.
31:52But Hayden, I kind of misspoke earlier. Zay Flowers only played 21 of like 60 something plays overall.
31:57And I guess to my eyes, I know Rashad even had a good week last week on the box score, but this
32:04offense really hasn't looked quite as good as it did in the first two quarters.
32:09Wednesday Flowers was a full-time player against the Indianapolis Colts.
32:12And ever since then, they're like trying to, you know, win in these moments of Lamar scrambles or here's a Mark Andrews
32:18broken tackle or those types of things. So I really wish we got Declan Doro with Zay Flowers completely healthy because I think fireworks are apparent.
32:26Yeah. The interesting part in this one, they had 30 series on offense.
32:30Baltimore had 21 of them started with a rush.
32:33Only nine of them started with a pass. This was like a very, very run-heavy offense in this one.
32:39And they made the Zay Flowers stuff count. And obviously that big 27-yarder over the middle in an obvious must-pass situation.
32:45But this is, I think, a team just trying to figure out exactly how potent they can be through the air, like
32:51beyond just like the Lamar Jackson and the Zay Flowers part of it.
32:55Like they're still trying to figure out what is like Mark Andrews and these backup tight ends.
33:01Like what is a Chris Moore and Tez Walker and like those type of guys.
33:05Could they trust them or not? Like in the meantime, there's like running the ball up the middle to Derrick Henry until proven otherwise.
33:12Yeah. There was a deep shot to Tez Walker early that drew a defensive pass interference.
33:17And then there was another one that was him in a one-on-one situation.
33:21And he just like failed to attack the football.
33:24I mean, a better receiver would have gone up and at least had a chance on it.
33:29But that kind of shows you where they're at right now with, like we talked about, Tez Walker or LaJonte Wester or
33:36Chris Moore and these guys pop up. And then, yeah, if Flowers plays 21 snaps and then Bateman's also in there, then they somewhat cancel each other out.
33:44I'll be at Zay Flowers does get the 27 yarder at the end.
33:48So I apologize to everyone in the starts. It showed that we told to play Rashad Bateman.
33:53I was expecting him to be kind of the full-time wide receiver here.
33:57I was not expecting Zay Flowers to play. But again, even on 21 snaps, it shows you how important Zay is to this passing attack.
34:05Yep. We're 21 snaps, six targets, five receptions, 84 yards.
34:08I just hope he gets fully healthy for the rest of the season from here on out.
34:13Josh, on Declan Doyle quickly, anything you see in this offense that reminds you of anything that was run with the Bears?
34:19Does it look completely different? Do they not have the personnel?
34:23I know they won the game, but does the offense feel like a fruitful fantasy environment outside of the big names that we know?
34:30No. I mean, I think it's going to be the Henry and Flower show and then every once in a while, someone else will pop up in there.
34:38But one thing I firmly know is that Declan Doyle is weaponizing Lamar Jackson's mobility more so than maybe an injured Lamar
34:45that we've seen over the last year or last season, I guess.
34:49Some of the best plays were him kind of running around in the backfield.
34:53And some of it was designed to, hey, go this way and throw it back the opposite way or buy himself some
35:00time and get some players open or, hey, invite some pressure here, then climb up and we can scramble off that too.
35:06I mean, he had six carries for 50 yards.
35:09There have been times when he's been banged up that we haven't seen six carries for Lamar Jackson and he looks great with it.
35:16And Ray, just to go back to you, I don't think there's anything less to say about this Cowboys offense.
35:22It's good. It's good. It's fun. And yet, here we are.
35:26It's a loss. And they're 1-2 despite scoring 31 points.
35:29I've got it. I have, yes. I have nothing to say.
35:32I got one thing for it. Josh, how about this?
35:35The decision after the game was tied up, there's seven seconds left.
35:39And the Cowboys kicked the ball for a touchback instead of dribbling the ball out.
35:43And that one second was the difference there. I thought that was a really, really brutal decision by the Dallas Cowboys.
35:49Obviously, like the execution by Baltimore, that was awesome that they were able to complete the pass, get the timeout in, and
35:56then kick the field goal on this turf. But that is just like shooting yourself in the foot there for the Cowboys.
36:03And they're typically a very well-coached team. But that was a pretty brutal mistake.
36:07Yep. Fair. Okay. Next up, the Minnesota Vikings. Another 3-0 squad as they topple the 0-3 Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
36:1323-16. I'm going to say it, guys. This was some vile, and I mean vile, football.
36:18There was a stretch in the second and third quarter.
36:21And I don't mean to be repetitive here. But it went punt, punt, punt, field goal, touchdown.
36:26Punt, punt, punt, punt, punt, interception, field goal. Punt, punt, punt, punt, punt, punt.
36:30And those were all like three and outs. Those were all three and outs.
36:34It was a Spider-Man meme between Baker Mayfield and Kyler Murray pointing at each other because both of them were dropping their
36:41eyes, doing the hokey pokey in the backfield, and ending up under pressure and in sacks.
36:46Baker didn't even make it out of this game because on the final pass that he had, an interception, it looks like
36:52he dislocated a finger on his right hand, his throwing hand.
36:56And Jalen Daniels finished this game, the undrafted rookie who earned his spot in the NFL and maybe is one of the
37:02better stories we can look out for moving forward.
37:05But yeah, I mean, there's not much to start off with other than Brian Flores' unit is one of the best in
37:12the NFL and it's something that we have to acknowledge on a weekly basis in fantasy football.
37:17The way that his Vikings defense puts the opposition into a blender and into confusion, again, is something that we have to
37:23and will impact fantasy points moving forward. Baker was 17 of 34, 217, and took six sacks in this game.
37:30The pressure looks confused tight ends. The pressure looks forced running backs to stay in the backfield.
37:35And just over and over and over again, and sure, Baker is probably the worst quarterback he won in that situation because,
37:41I mean, some dropbacks are 12, 14 seconds and they still end in a sack or quarterback hit or a one-yard gain
37:48or a throwaway and those types of things. But this impacted everyone.
37:52I will add, I don't think Emeka Buka looks awesome right now.
37:55I don't really see juice or explosiveness. It's kind of one note.
37:59And he even took a huge shot from Josh Metellus, one of those where he catches it, takes a big shot to
38:05his neck and head area and loses control for a moment.
38:09So that is something I want to track moving forward because he did go to the sideline for a minute there.
38:15And then the opposite end for the Vikings. It really was just two plays for the entire day.
38:21It was two catches for Jordan Addison, a 30-yarder toe tapper along the sideline, and then that same drive, it ends with
38:27a 41-yard touchdown to him in a one-on-one situation.
38:30And maybe most notably too, Justin Jefferson exits with an ankle injury early in this game for multiple series.
38:36We didn't know where he was. And then he's seen walking to the locker room and never returned.
38:41So there's a whole bunch injuries on both sides of questions and conclusions and news reports to follow throughout the week here, Hayden.
38:48Is it still too early to tell on the Justin Jefferson news?
38:52And is there anybody we can trust beyond Jordan Addison if Justin Jefferson is out?
38:56Absolutely not. I mean, they threw two passes to Juwan Jennings.
39:00He caught one for one yard. Looks like molasses out there.
39:03And then Ty Felton, two targets for zero yards.
39:06So the answer is no. Other than that, it was just dump-offs to Aaron Jones.
39:10I mean, again, it's not like Kyler Murray was any better than Baker Mayfield.
39:14I mean, okay, maybe he'd take better because he didn't just go into complete negative situations.
39:19But he was only 15 to 29, 168 yards, one touchdown, one interception.
39:23And then his interception was a batted pass at the line of scrimmage.
39:27It bounces off an offensive lineman. And A'shaun Robinson grabs it off the turf before it hits the ground and sets them
39:34up at the 21-yard line for, again, a very important opportunity.
39:37And then, yes, Aaron Jones dominates the carries, but only gets 3.4 yards per carry against his Buccaneers defensive line, and namely Vita Vea.
39:44So there's really nothing to take away from this.
39:47And I still can't tell you exactly what the Kyler Murray-led Minnesota Vikings passing offense is, Ray.
39:52And we're now entering week four of the NFL season.
39:55Yeah, I really don't know what to make of this.
39:58I watched this one a little bit just in passing.
40:01It was up on the TV. And I think the first play that I saw was when Baker Mayfield turned around and
40:08ran into Kenneth Gainwell trying to hand the ball off.
40:11I saw that a couple of times on Sunday where running backs and quarterbacks are running into each other.
40:17That's what my six-year-old son's team did today, not what a newly paid $50 million quarterback and the running backs in the NFL should do.
40:24Listen, I'm just... I told people on the Starts It show, I don't want any Aaron Jones.
40:29I just... Kevin O'Connell was supposed to be one of the brightest minds, the offensive gurus.
40:34We saw him do it with Darnold and I'm just looking like, man, if Jefferson is out with Hayden, is there...
40:41I mean, do you want to play Addison? You're going to play Buka week in and week out.
40:46Maybe he's still got some lingering effects from his, I believe, ankle injury over training camp.
40:51This Baker Mayfield hurt again on a final play.
40:53This happened against the Rams a few years. I just...
40:57This just... Punt, pump, pump, pump, whatever you said.
40:59This just... Godwin is unplayable. Like, is there any...
41:02What is the... Leaving this game, who do you...
41:05The game. Who do you feel confident in playing next week?
41:08I will say, Chris Godwin had an 85-yard touchdown taken away.
41:11Rightfully so. Because... Okay. The right tackle in Luke Kadecki held.
41:15Again, Dallas Turner, who had a one-on-one hit on Baker Mayfield, but he was behind him and pulled him off of him, basically.
41:22And so Baker then scrambled another six seconds and found Chris Godwin down the field.
41:26And then I do want to shout out Ted Hurst, who, yes, on the first drive, only has one catch for 40
41:33yards, but it's down the seam for an awesome gain.
41:36And Ted Hurst nearly had a great stat line, and maybe that's going to be the tale of his rookie season, that it was all nearly type stuff.
41:44But he was playing a lot of snaps, that's for sure.
41:48And Jalen Millen left this game again with an injury.
41:51That comment that production pulled up on Kevin Seifert, I think is really telling here, Hayden, where the Vikings are 3-0, but they've been outgained by 244 yards.
41:59So, yes. That's the second worst differential in total yards by any 3-0 team in NFL history after the 2020 Seahawks.
42:05I mean, that 2020 Seahawks team, pretty good defense.
42:08This Vikings team, pretty good defense. And Hayden, in today's age, if you have a defense that plays to this degree and
42:15forces this many sacks and turnovers, it keeps you in games as the offense can figure things out as the season goes along, hopefully.
42:22Yeah, Dallas Turner's turning just into a really impact player, seven pressures in this one.
42:27And he gets a lot of one-on-ones against players that should not be blocking him because of the scheme, but he's making the most out of it.
42:35And then I'm just still trying to get a feel for what this Kevin O'Connell offense is going to be.
42:41They've been really run heavy in the first two games.
42:44I was like, is that a Carson Wentz thing?
42:47And then they had 21 series in this game, and they started with a rush on 12 of 21, which is an above-average clip again in this one.
42:55And that's against Tampa Bay, which typically is a pass funnel.
42:58So throughout our entire time with Kevin O'Connell calling plays, it's been one of the most pass-heavy offenses.
43:04And then all of a sudden this year, it's one of the most run-heavy offenses.
43:08Are the runs working? They're really not working that well.
43:11So that's something I just want to monitor as hopefully Justin Jefferson's not out for very long.
43:16Yeah, for the DeMond Claiborne people, three carries for one total yard for him in this game.
43:22And again, there are some units that were supposed to carry certain teams, right?
43:26The Vikings and their defense here. The Bucs and Vita Vea stopping the run.
43:30Unfortunately, their pass rush that they invested so much in.
43:33And Ruben Bain, I believe, missed this game. Yaya Diaby left early on and was kind of in and out and failed to make an impact.
43:41And then the Bucs offensive line. Like, look, this is tough, but, and it's tough blocking for Baker Mayfield, who is a magnet to contact too often.
43:49But I would say the Bucs offensive line has been a bit of a letdown so far this year versus heading into the season.
43:56Some expectations that might be a top three unit across the league.
44:00Go ahead, Hayden. Next week, Bucs versus Packers. Do we have a head coach fire off, Josh?
44:05Oh no. Oh no. Here's the thing. If you're fired Todd Bowles now after letting Liam Cohen get out of the building
44:12or even Dave Canals getting out of the building, I think fans might revolt from that.
44:17But maybe that Packers defense will make Jalen Daniels look like the new young mobile athletic quarterback across the league.
44:23And we have some fireworks, some fireworks there. Okay.
44:25I mean, Ray, I'm going to say it. Week three is a bit of a downer and nobody is more down bad than Drake May right now.
44:3314 of 25, 199 yards, two interceptions, a fumble.
44:36His Patriots get demolished by the Jacksonville Jaguars. 35 to six.
44:40T-law, another three passing touchdowns. Basial Tootin, a gifted one-yard rushing score.
44:43And then Parker Washington, three for 40 and a touchdown.
44:46I know we can talk about the Jags here, Ray, but what the heck is going on with Drake May?
44:52Yeah, I tweeted this out. I tweeted out. I said, the Patriots look like a team without an offensive identity that clearly overperformed last season.
45:00This isn't something that will just in quotes get better.
45:03If A.J. Brown's absence is enough to make this offense look this pedestrian, everyone should be extremely concerned, lifeless, directionless, big problems.
45:09Big, big problems for this New England offense. And you've got to go deeper than just the box score here.
45:15Let me just read this for you for old Drake May, who actually had two fumbles.
45:20One was lost. They just recovered another one. New England generated negative 0.4 EPA per pass play.
45:25Although Drake May's average depth of target was still 11 and a half yards down the field.
45:31Average time to throw was 3.26 seconds. Jacksonville pressured on 54% of dropbacks.
45:35And they did that while only blitzing 13 and a half percent of the time.
45:39Drake May, listen, this is bad. When their most consistent offensive weapon is Mack Hollins, who should have had a touchdown right
45:46over Travis Hunter in the end zone, just hit off the top of his hands.
45:50He led them in receiving. He looked like their most explosive weapon.
45:54Drake May looks confused. The offensive line is terrible right now.
45:57They cannot run the ball. I don't know what they're doing in the backfield with Travion Henderson or Ramondre Stevenson.
46:03There's nothing explosive about this offense. And yet, when you look at the total yards, New England outgained Jacksonville technically by two yards in this game.
46:11And it was not close. This, we can talk about Jacksonville, and there are some numbers there that are a little concerning.
46:18And not because Parker Washington didn't score, but this New England offense, if it was predicated on A.J.
46:23Brown being there, and that's why this looks so bad.
46:26I mean, Drake May, I'm looking at their next four.
46:29Their next four, Buffalo, Las Vegas, New York, and then potentially a Caleb Williams-backed Chicago Bears team.
46:34I don't know if they win any of those games.
46:37Offensively, lifeless, directionless, pedestrian. This does not feel like something that's just going to get better.
46:42If you include the postseason through week three, the Patriots are now fourth worst in EPA per play.
46:48They're having the highest sack rate as well. They're not generating nearly as many explosives.
46:52And that's your schedule tweets. Jacksonville's defense, Seattle's defense from this season, obviously all the postseason matchups.
46:57That's the schedule tweets. Their offensive line isn't very good.
47:00Drake May is forcing passes that he has no business forcing.
47:04He's making very dumb decisions out there. And then in isolation, they just don't have a go-to pass catcher right now.
47:10And then their running backs are very hit and miss on what you're getting out of Travion.
47:15So that would be the part I would be curious about.
47:18I was like, out of all of the secondary pieces, is there anybody that we can rely on?
47:24Or is this quickly becoming a team where, I might say, you should be starting nobody from this entire offense in fantasy?
47:31Yeah. I mean, just to press back on that, couldn't you argue last year that there was no go-to player either?
47:37You know, but they ran hot in terms of 10, 20 plus yards down the field.
47:42The tight window stuff was unbelievable. And is it just as simple as, I mean, Drake May played really well against average and bad defenses.
47:49And now that they're facing good to quality opponents, then they literally have nothing.
47:54They have no alternative. And if Drake May isn't, again, running hot with the tight window stuff and then comparatively completely regressing
48:00in terms of holding onto the football or throwing dumb interceptions in the red zone, then they literally have no chance.
48:07Like he, I guess, carried them last year despite the supporting cast.
48:10And then this year without AJ Brown, Ray, they have no supporting cast.
48:14And he's also letting them down with some of his mental errors.
48:18Well, you use the word carry. I think that's what they have to do.
48:22He did have a, I think it was close to like a 15 yard rushing touchdown called back.
48:27It was a holding call. So they had to come back.
48:31The only thing I can think of is he needs to run more, but he looks very skittish in the pocket.
48:37And when you think about the weapons in the offensive line, they ran out 11 personnel 71.7% of the time for an consumer sports.
48:44So you're putting your quarterback in a position to just invite pressure.
48:48Jacksonville was getting home and they did not blitz.
48:5113% of the time they blitz and they're just, they're making life uncomfortable for May.
48:55I don't know what's going on with McDaniels and this offense.
48:59And you see right here on the screen, they're pushing, they're trying to throw the ball down on field, but there's, there's nowhere to go.
49:06There's, there's nobody to throw the ball to down the field outside of me.
49:10And we're, we're laughing. Mac Hollins. I'm looking around like that.
49:14You just got to throw it to Mac Hollins.
49:16Just try to get it to 13. That's the best thing that they can do.
49:21Ramondre and Travion, this nasty split between these two.
49:24There was a point in time where I had to look at my, is Travion hurt?
49:28It was just Ramondre up the gut for a yard.
49:31Ramondre up the gut for two yards. I really don't think there is anybody you can start inside of this offense right now.
49:38A long carry of five yards a piece between the two of Hendo and, and Ramondre.
49:43Hayden, I know we can say this and I just want to repeat it because we already have.
49:49You have to completely disassociate Drake May of where you drafted him in fantasy this year as quarterback three, right?
49:55Like almost any other quarterback is a better alternative at this point.
49:58Yeah. And there's like too many Tyler Shucks in like that whole tier.
50:02Like you just have to play those guys ahead of them.
50:06But even like the next tier, like the Geno Smith tier is better than what Drake May is putting out there over the first three weeks.
50:13It is that bad at this point. Ray, just quickly on Jacksonville.
50:17Talk me through Basial Tootin's touchdown because it was a gift from his quarterback.
50:21Was it not? Yeah, it came much later down there.
50:24Trevor Lawrence, I think the fantasy people are upset about that going down and giving Tootin one.
50:29Like Trevor Lawrence could have scored there. But Tootin looked good in this game.
50:34And I know we keep talking about him maybe not being this super high volume running back, but I'm just watching him play.
50:41He ran the ball really well in this game.
50:43And I would love to see them increase his usage a little bit more down the stretch as we progress towards the middle of the season.
50:51This Jacksonville team is a weird one because maybe they knew that New England just couldn't threaten him offensively.
50:57But just when you look around at all the pieces and what Jacksonville was doing, let me just give you some personnel percentage usage.
51:0453% 11, 30% of the time they ran 12, and then 13%, 13 personnel.
51:08And all the receivers were cycling in. Right? We want to make sure I frame this carefully.
51:14Parker Washington is their best wide receiver in my opinion.
51:17Okay? He's their best guy. But that does not mean he's going to be peppered with 15 plus targets every single week.
51:23Like it's Liam Cohen's just kind of spreading it around.
51:26It's Jacoby Myers here. It's not Brian Thomas, but he's just a gnat.
51:30He's just, he's out there and he gets a couple of targets here.
51:34Britton Strange gets a little bit of usage there.
51:37Parker Washington had a touchdown callback. They went right back to him and he scored again.
51:42You would like to see him sort of just each week, you could just depend on eight, nine, 10 targets.
51:48And it just, it feels like Liam Cohen is just Trevor Lawrence is going to spread it to whomever's open.
51:54Washington looks awesome. This Jacksonville team just, I don't know if they've really been in a position to where they have to
52:00just gun it all over the place and hyper focus on somebody.
52:04I thought the best offensive player for Jacksonville, despite the gift of the touchdown, Tootin looked really well.
52:09And when you watch this one back, you'll come away saying, Hey, this is somebody that I'll bet they get him more
52:16involved as we move down the, down the season.
52:19Yeah. Basil Tootin drafters got what they want, which is the, the socialism, that little free touchdown at the end.
52:25And they're just a cherry on top. I like that Trevor Lawrence at least admitted what his, his incentive was over there.
52:32I think that Parker Washington is just going to have better days.
52:35Like he's playing almost a full-time role. I just looked at it again.
52:39Brian Thomas is playing half as many snaps as Parker Washington, Jacoby Myers.
52:43Like it is, it is a complete total, total difference in Parker Washington versus Brian Thomas.
52:48We've known this for the last couple of weeks.
52:51Like once again, it happened. Yeah. I, I put Brian Thomas Jr.
52:54On the drop list on last week's waiver show, by the way, subscribe.
52:58So you get this week's waiver show after Monday night football.
53:01Um, and nothing is from what's happening from a target standpoint, even route standpoint is made me think otherwise.
53:07And once again, we have Josh Cameron popping in for a red zone, 12 yard touchdown.
53:12So like it's, you know, too tight end stuff.
53:15And then they're also getting Josh Cameron involved in some situations.
53:18Uh, Ray, I also want to add that Travis Hunter got an interception in this game.
53:23He did. He did. And it was, um, you can tell he was happy.
53:27Like he, he did a dance in the end zone.
53:30He was, it was, it was a good, it was good to see the defensive side show up.
53:36He got in on offense and nothing, nothing his way offensively.
53:39Uh, I just quickly want to check, uh, where Hayden, if you can help me with the defensive snaps for 45 of 63.
53:4645 of 63. There we go. That's a little bit better than last week.
53:50That's a little bit better. Okay. I just, I just want to be fair, you know, when criticizing the usage last week,
53:57then bringing it up and bringing up as a talking point here.
54:00Okay. Let's stick in that division. And talk about the Houston Texans and the Indianapolis Colts.
54:05Um, in the end Colts win 19 17. Hey, and I know I tweeted this out like halfway through the third quarter
54:12or something that this Texans offense looked miserable. It was three yards of care for DeMont.
54:17It was about 83 passing yards for CJ Stroud.
54:19Uh, it doubled. He got to one 67 and a touchdown, but what is going on for this?
54:25Oh, and three Texans seem that many people picked to win the Superbowl because their defense and hopefully an improved offense.
54:31Number one, their defense is still very good, but it's not quite as good as I think some of the preseason expectations.
54:38The Colts, we'll get to them in a second.
54:41We're picking on their linebackers. They're dealing with some injuries at linebacker right now.
54:45There's a lot of open space over the middle on the Indianapolis side, but for the Texans D offense, just brutal performance from the interior.
54:52Once again, there was like plays like Wyatt Teller just like in beat right away.
54:57Uh, David Montgomery, 18% rushing success rate in this one.
55:00And it's the same rotation. Like David Montgomery gets a full drive and Woody Marks gets a full drive.
55:06What does that mean? Woody Marks gets a goal line touchdown at the very end of the game.
55:11There's also a play action touchdown to Foster Moreau, not Dalton Schultz.
55:15Foster Moreau gets the touchdown. And on that play, Woody Marks is at the goal line too.
55:20So if you thought this is going to be David Montgomery getting all the goal line work, absolutely not.
55:26Whoever's on the football field, the last play will be on the football field at the goal line.
55:31That's what the Texans are doing. And it doesn't matter which running backs out there.
55:36Neither of them are going to pick up any yards behind this offensive line.
55:40So like that's like the first part of it.
55:43I think the second part of it, this is by far the slowest offense in the NFL.
55:48If you did a four by 100 race from any of the quarterback, the running back rooms, throw the wide receivers in
55:54there, get the tight ends going dead last in the NFL.
55:58And I looked this up. I was like, all right, how can I quantify this?
56:02And I looked at contested catches to wide receivers.
56:05The Texans have 24 this season. The next closest offense has 16.
56:09That is a gap that should not exist. And you feel that for CJ Stroud in this one.
56:14He took a couple sacks, but it wasn't even necessarily that.
56:17There's just no yards after the catch from the wide receivers.
56:21There's nobody open. And that was with the Indianapolis defense.
56:24One that was getting completely shredded in every capacity going into this game.
56:28So like this is an 0-3 team because the offense is that bad.
56:31Whatever Nico Collins is making, you should pretty much triple it.
56:35Because without him, this team is completely unwatchable. And that's even before I get to D'Amico Ryans, which I want to take some shots at.
56:42Yeah, Hayden. Honestly, just looking at the box score here, I did not watch much of this game.
56:48I had eyes on it because my bold prediction was Josh Downs to get 100 yards and a touchdown.
56:54And when I saw an Indianapolis receiver get in the end zone, I was like, there we go.
56:59Josh Downs. And it's like, no, that's Keenan Allen right there.
57:02Honestly, they say Nico may be back next week against the Dallas Cowboys.
57:06Where was Dalton Schultz at? Why is Xavier Hutchinson at the top of the box score?
57:11And was David Montgomery's 20 carries, three touchdown week one?
57:14Was that just... Dead zone. Was that just... Was that fool's go there?
57:18Like, is that, you know? Did we all not, after that game, watch it and be like, that wasn't anything special?
57:24Like, there was a play right up the middle for David Montgomery that went completely untouched.
57:29But every other carry went for nothing. And like, that was just kind of the exception.
57:34He was not like the leading player in terms of snaps in any of the games before this one.
57:40Same thing here. It's going to be a 50-50 backfield.
57:43And like, truly, like, 50-50 in every single capacity.
57:46And for my money, I think Woody Marks is better than David Montgomery, just watching these two.
57:51In terms of the pass catchers, like, Xavier Hutchinson, Kayshaun, Dalton Schultz.
57:54Like, these guys are going to, like, just, like, switch back and forth as Nico Collins comes back.
58:00Apparently, Nico Collins is, quote, progressing well from the D'Amico Ryans part of it.
58:04But just no one's fast enough to get open here.
58:07And obviously, when Dalton Schultz goes crazy the week prior, they probably have a little bit better of a game plan.
58:13But definitely a disappointing game. Only getting three targets out of Dalton Schultz.
58:17Didn't want to quickly hit on D'Amico Ryans. Couple things that happened here with D'Amico.
58:22I think D'Amico Ryans is trending towards being one of the most overrated coaches in the NFL.
58:27You watch this Texans defense pass rush. And those guys just get home immediately.
58:31And, like, obviously, he knows what he's doing on defense here.
58:34But there are just too many huge mistakes on offense.
58:38Either hiring the wrong offensive coordinators, not having a plan to fix the offensive line.
58:42And then the in-game decisions. There was a field goal attempt.
58:45They were down 16-7 at the fourth. It was a fourth and four at their own six-yard line in the fourth quarter.
58:52They're down 16-7, and they kick a field goal in that one.
58:56Then later in the game, the Colts are marching.
58:58The Texans have a lead now, 17-16. The Colts are marching.
59:02They just need to get a kick, a field goal to win this game.
59:06There's a run play. Jonathan Taylor runs the ball.
59:09The clock is ticking. And instead of taking a timeout right away to save the Texans' time, because now they're in field
59:15goal range, to have a chance to win the game, the clock is ticking, ticking, ticking, ticking, ticking.
59:21And then with like three seconds left on the play clock, that's when D'Amico Ryans calls a timeout.
59:26So not only did you waste like the 30 seconds, but you also waste the timeout that you needed for the offense.
59:33The Colts kick a field goal. The Texans have a chance barely any time left.
59:37They throw a Hail Mary. Ball goes out of bound.
59:40Game over. That's just like throwing away way too much in-game win probability with both the field goal attempt near the goal
59:47line and then the decision to not take the timeout earlier in the play.
59:51They're like, too many of these things are stacking up for D'Amico Ryans.
59:55And I think to the big picture part is like we knew the offensive line was going to be such a disaster.
60:02And they just don't do enough to fix it.
60:05And we felt that the entire game here. Texans in two of their next three games have the Cowboys and the Jaguars.
60:11So we'll see what they look like after six games this season.
60:15I quickly do want to ask you, Hayden, because this seems a very un-Colts-like performance.
60:19Obviously, they win at home, but they throw for 235 yards and only get 89 rushing yards out of the entire thing.
60:26So this entire game plan, it was just put on the shoulders of Daniel Jones.
60:31And so that ends with five for 77 for Josh Downs, almost a mirror of what he did last week.
60:37Keenan Allen, six for 63 and a touchdown. And then Tyler Warren, nine for 55.
60:41I mean, Willie Anderson and Daniil Hunter just absolutely roasted the Colts' offensive line.
60:45Daniel Jones had a fumble early. I will say this.
60:48Daniel Jones got out of the pocket on a fourth down in truck stick.
60:53I forget which defender it was. Wow. Like Derek Stingler or something like that.
60:57It was by far the most athletic play he's made on the season.
61:01That said, the Colts' offense is the fear that we have.
61:04No completions beyond 20 air yards in this one.
61:070 for 3 with an interception. The interception was like a third and six.
61:11Just throwing the ball way up a prayer as Daniil Hunter's absolutely lighting up.
61:15Daniel Jones. I think a couple things that stood out is like the offensive tackle play for Indianapolis is not as good
61:22in 2026 as it was in like 2023. So you felt that against like elite competition.
61:27You have nobody to win down the football field.
61:29And still, I think that Shane Steichen is awesome as a coach.
61:33Like they got Josh Downs going like early in this game.
61:36RPO slants, little out routes. He had like a 40% target share going into halftime.
61:41Tyler Warren had a truck stick early on. There was a cover two hole shot in this one.
61:46So more step a little bit further down the field for Tyler Warren.
61:50And that Keenan Allen touchdown that ripped your heart out, Ray.
61:54That was a little mesh concept. And to the Texans' defense point, they were trying to communicate that as Keenan Allen was working across the end zone there.
62:02And the last linebacker did not shuffle out in time for a touchdown to Keenan Allen.
62:07So I think that there's going to be a weak spot on the Texans' defense.
62:11And you have to figure this out quickly because those pass rushers are going to come home.
62:17Throw the ball over the middle quickly. And this entire game, when you guys go back and watch it, very, very few plays to the perimeter.
62:24Everything was quick and over the middle. Obviously, that's what happens when you have Josh Downs, Tyler Warren, and Keenan Allen.
62:31But it's like something to keep in the back of your mind as you watch the Texans' defense too.
62:37Hey, this is a fear of mine, okay, with Alec Pierce going out.
62:40Was Keenan Allen getting involved more than I would like?
62:43I'm looking at the box score. Only three wide receivers, designated wide receivers, touched the ball for Indianapolis.
62:49It was Downs, it was Keenan Allen, and it looks like Laquan Treadwell had one.
62:53I like the targets with Josh Downs having the 11 and Tyler Warren having the 10.
62:58But Keenan Allen right there with nine targets got the red zone look.
63:02I don't know if you were paying attention. You have all the numbers for the deployment who was on the field in certain situations.
63:09But is Keenan Allen going to be a big thorn in the side of Josh Downs?
63:14Do you think with Alec Pierce being out? I think to some degree.
63:18Obviously, everyone operates in the same parts of the football field here.
63:22I think that's going to be the frustration. And Keenan Allen is so much bigger than Josh Downs.
63:27Maybe in the red zone, they might look towards Keenan Allen.
63:31But Keenan Allen is still a limited player. In this game, he had some very clutch moments here.
63:36But there was not like, wow, that's vintage Keenan Allen.
63:39Who I think is now 12th in receiving touchdowns all time.
63:42I think that's what they said on the broadcast there.
63:45So the good news is Laquan Treadwell is a full-time player.
63:49And he gets one target in this one. So that is your wind sprint role.
63:53And that's nice to have. And then everything else is going to be underneath.
63:58So I thought Daniel Jones played pretty well. All things considered here.
64:01A couple bad plays. But, man, Daniel Hunter and especially Willie Anderson, it's hard to overstate exactly what they did in this one.
64:08Because without Willie Anderson, the Texans would have lost by 30.
64:11All right, Ray. The Cleveland Browns are 2-1 as they beat the Carolina Panthers in their home debut, 21-18.
64:17And Todd Monken said his team is just scratching the surface.
64:20Now, I would hope so on some level. Because this Browns offense, I mean, Deshaun Watson turns it up in the fourth
64:27quarter with a touchdown drive to win the game.
64:30But really just 144 yards and two scores. Quinchon Judkins, 18 carries, 70 yards.
64:34Harold Fannin makes good with two goal-line touchdowns. But other than that, it's like Denzel Boston, 2 for 41.
64:40Casey Concepcion, nine targets, two receptions, nine yards. And, Ray, I know you saw those targets.
64:45They were wayward. He had to be eight feet tall to get a hand on some of those.
64:50That's for sure. Every week, Deshaun Watson almost has like three interceptions in a game.
64:55He didn't play well in this game. But he ran well.
64:58And if he's going to scramble around and pick up a whole bunch of yards with his legs, I'm watching this one.
65:05And the biggest thing that I took away is both quarterbacks, Watson nor Bryce Young, played particularly well.
65:10But in the fourth quarter, they showed flashes and shades of like the college versions of themselves in the fourth quarter, taking their team down the field.
65:18The drive by Deshaun Watson to win it was beautiful.
65:21Like that was a great final drive to get the ball down the field.
65:25He used his legs. He hit receivers. The Browns did what they needed to do in their home opener.
65:31Watson was not great in this one. I just don't want people to – the two touchdowns, the 45 yards, Harold Fannin, that's great.
65:38But Watson, again, throwing the football did not look great.
65:41I thought he looked best when he was running around.
65:45Josh, I know you watch a lot of Panthers.
65:47Bryce Young in the pocket at times is very magical.
65:50The way that he can escape pressure and step up in the pocket.
65:54And sometimes it gets him in trouble. I mean, he had Tommy Trimble wide open for a touchdown.
66:00Decides to kind of roll around and get sacked.
66:02And that just – this was a rough game until like the last few minutes of the game.
66:08They ran the ball with Chuba Hubbard 10 times for 18 yards in the first half.
66:13They just kept slamming it to Chuba. Yeah, one of the linemen, Hunt, got injured early.
66:17I think he came back in. Jalen Coker got hurt in this game.
66:21And that's what's concerning. You tell me Bryce Young throws the ball 50 times and McMillan only gets five targets?
66:27Like maybe it was just an off day. Maybe it was the first time Carolina faced a defense that was hot for them.
66:34But they're just – you'll watch this one back.
66:37And there are just some maddening, head-scratching calls in this game.
66:40The best part of it from the Cleveland side, Judkins kept getting fed and he had a couple of big runs.
66:47But he looked – he didn't look special in this one either.
66:50Harold Fannin Jr. looked like, okay, just get the ball to him.
66:54And Deshaun Watson running around was like the big takeaway here for the Cleveland side.
66:59So a couple things. The first one, I think either on the show with Boone on Thursday or Hayden with you in
67:05the wide receiver rankings, I said if Deshaun Watson doesn't turn the football over, the Browns win this game.
67:11And he did not turn the football over. But boy, did he try.
67:15He tried. The Panthers dropped a pick six on like the first drive and then another overthrown pass to Casey Concepcion that
67:22fell right in the lap and they dropped it.
67:24They also – he avoided three sacks. You could also say the Panthers should have taken him down for three sacks.
67:31And then in the end, there was a fourth quarter on the game-winning drive interception in the end zone that kind of
67:37would have sealed the game for the Panthers if they had gotten one more first down.
67:42And they called it roughing the passer penalty, which I can totally see.
67:46There was kind of like he lunged forward on the throw and defensive line went and hit him in the head and all this type of stuff.
67:54So it's not an awful call at all. On the Panthers' end, the Jalen Coker thing is a big deal because he
68:01comes in with an ankle, leaves with a quad.
68:04And I don't know if it's, you know, overestimating and overcompensating and all that type of stuff.
68:09But the quad injury, I believe, and I can't tell you which leg it was, kept him out of the start of last season.
68:16And that was a long injury. And without Jalen Coker on this team, all the Browns did was play man coverage against
68:23TMAC on Denzel Ward on the outside and ISO.
68:25And then no one else can win in isolation at all.
68:29No one else can get open. And so you just play man coverage and you pass rush and you blitz.
68:35I think Bryce Young was pressured on 30 of his 48 passing attempts here today.
68:39That's rough stuff. That's 61% of the time. So, yeah, that leaves you with two receptions for 17 yards.
68:45And Hayden, I know you're going to go back on Monday and watch this and see if he was creating separation at all.
68:52Well, my question is, who survived this Panthers? Because you mentioned both corners might be out.
68:57Lining in or out. Coker's out. I know Bryce Young was limping around a little bit.
69:02What is the actual status of the important players?
69:04Who is healthy on the Panthers? Yeah. Yeah, it's rough because, again, they are 1-2 and face the lines on Sunday Night Football.
69:11Mike Jackson left very early on with a groin injury.
69:14JC Horn left with also a quad injury himself.
69:17Jalen Coker, early on in the first quarter, quad injury.
69:20Basically seen in tears on the sideline. Bryce, I think, gets stepped on by his offensive lineman.
69:25He has an ankle issue throughout the entire game.
69:28And missed some, I would say, inexcusable passes. But unlike him this season so far.
69:32And Damian Lewis was kind of in and out.
69:35And then Mitchell Evans left on top of it too.
69:38So, I don't know. This, again, TMAC, you could say, okay, it was Denzel Ward.
69:43At the same time, again, I've rewatched it from the eye in the sky.
69:47But you would like to think that someone like that can create more separation.
69:51And I just don't think he could, just from watching it.
69:54If he was getting open, I think what Bryce Young is playing right now, he would be able to get him the football.
70:01And he could not do it. He did not.
70:04The only one, he did not. And there was a play on the end zone.
70:09And it was not Denzel Ward. It was number 28.
70:12It was a backup cornerback. Draped all over TMAC on an end zone target.
70:16I know they said they put on weight in the offseason.
70:19I'll also just say his body language does not look great out there.
70:23It is not Marvin Harrison Jr. levels of body language.
70:26But it does not look like a second-year player coming off a 1,000-yard season.
70:30And the answer to the separation question was no.
70:33He was not creating much separation at all in this game.
70:36Yeah. And again, I'll just close with, like, the Panthers are pretty solvable if they don't have Jalen Coker.
70:42You know? It's, you play isolated coverage with their best corner against TMAC.
70:46And then you just pressure. And you blitz. And you kind of suffocate this offensive line that is allowing way too many
70:53hits over the first few weeks of the season.
70:55Josh, it's the announcers were saying in the game, and, you know, take it with a grain of salt.
71:01So they said they need to get Jalen Coker the ball because he's their best receiver.
71:06That's what the announcers were saying in the game.
71:09They were like, he's their best receiver. They need to get him the ball at some point.
71:14And I'm just like, wow. Yeah. There was a play that Bryce hit on the first two weeks that he did not
71:21hit this one where Coker, like, had a step for maybe even a long touchdown.
71:25And he overthrew it by one or two. And this was after he got stepped on.
71:30So that's, again, a pass that he hit in the first two weeks.
71:34And, again, Xavier Leagat also missed this game, too.
71:37So, yeah, just rough stuff all around. And like you said, while Chuba Hubbard's stat line looks fine from a yards per
71:43carry standpoint at the end of the game, the first half, it was non-existent.
71:47They couldn't move the ball at all. It was 10 carries for 18 yards.
71:52So, yeah, that's it. Okay. Hayden, we have to talk about a running back.
71:56And, unfortunately, it is bad news here with the Chiefs and the Dolphins.
72:00And I think we can all assume how, you know, this one ended in a huge blowout victory for the Kansas City Chiefs 24 to 10.
72:08But Devon A. Chan leaves quite early in this game as they put an awkward tackle, knee injury.
72:13Hayden, what's the latest news? What's the diagnosis? What should we expect from the backfield mates that stepped up in his absence?
72:20After the game, they said, quote, does not sound very optimistic.
72:23The fear could be an ACL or meniscus type of injury there.
72:27It was a shame because, like, immediately slot work.
72:29He gets a pitch in this one, a little check down in the flat, and then in the open field.
72:35Just kind of a really awkward play. He might have even done it the step before the face mask there.
72:42But just does not look good for Devon A.
72:44Chan. They did not have a third running back in this game.
72:48It was Ollie Gordon. Jalen Wright was limited, limited DNP with a foot injury before being inactive there.
72:53So it was Ollie Gordon. They were asked about why they don't have a third running back.
72:58And the reason is because they really like Malik Washington.
73:01They Malik Washington knows both positions. And Malik Washington, without Devon A.
73:05Chan, I think is going to unfortunately be a pretty important player.
73:09Like, probably enough so to be at least, like, waiver wire curious while Caleb Douglas is sidelined here.
73:14Did want to give some credit to the Dolphins.
73:17Like, they're not a good football team. They don't have enough good players.
73:21They did compete in this one. The first drive of the game was a 17-play, 91-yard touchdown drive.
73:26The Chiefs' offense was pretty dialed in here. But this was not, like, a complete blowout win here by the Chiefs by any means.
73:34And some, like, kind of ancillary players like Chris Bell, he had a dig route for a first down early.
73:40He nearly had a touchdown on a slot fade.
73:42His big explosive was another dig route yards after the catch.
73:46You can see that he has all the explosiveness.
73:48He's still a little bit tight coming off of that injury.
73:52But his, like, straight-line explosiveness is pretty evident. And then he also had a man coverage win against Mansoor Delaney on a third and six.
73:59More of a slant route for him there. So I think it was, like, a pretty encouraging game for someone like Chris Bell.
74:06But it's going to be, like, a lot of Malik Washington.
74:09He had a yard-after-catch touchdown called back on an illegal shift.
74:13So, you know, I don't trust the running back rotation because, like, we don't know what this is going to look like
74:19when Jalen Wright comes back, which I'm assuming is going to be this next week.
74:24Can I just say, though, like, it's a pointless offense.
74:27Like, I understand they're going to pop up for some yards here or there.
74:31But, you know, they have 13, 13, and 10 points for the first three weeks.
74:36And then they face the Vikings and the Bengals over the next two.
74:40Like, I understand someone has to get target share and market share of carries and all that type of stuff.
74:46But we're kind of at a point for, like, drawing a line through the Miami Dolphins as being a fantasy role of an offense, right?
74:53Yeah, I mean, Devon HM was going to be so important, obviously, to that team.
74:58And, yeah, I don't know how they're going to get real explosives here.
75:02Malik Willis is, like, taking some shots down the field, like, to, you know, a certain degree of success there.
75:08I just think that, like, Malik Washington has 10 targets in this one, 5-56.
75:12Like, I think that he is going to have, like, a PPR scam.
75:16Like, could he do, like, a Wandale Robinson type of thing this year?
75:20Like, I would not be that surprised for Malik Washington.
75:23Just hearing the coaching staff talk about him, like, he's suddenly very important at work, which, obviously, if that's your offense, like, things aren't working well.
75:31So, good fight for Miami, but they're closer to, like, the ACC than, you know, like, the NFL.
75:36Well, let me ask you about the Kansas City Chiefs because I'm looking at the box score and the part of the
75:43game that I did see, Rasheed Rice had, I guess he slipped and then slapped the ball up in the air that led to an interception.
75:51But then I'm looking at his stat line, and this looks more reminiscent of what the Kansas City Chiefs offense was last year.
75:58A lot of Rasheed Rice and nobody else. Nine targets, seven for 88.
76:02I know Kelsey got in the end zone, and he had that big long run, catch and run in the game.
76:08But how did Rasheed look in this one? Maybe a couple more shots down the football field.
76:13Like, nothing, like, too deep, but it wasn't, like, super, super manufactured.
76:17He still is, like, blocking for Xavier where there was a holding call on him there.
76:22Like, the interception, and maybe the ball, like, on a different angle was a little bit behind him, but ball bounced off his chest for an interception there.
76:30Really fluky play. But, like, good to see Rasheed Rice, like, in a game where they have no secondary.
76:36Miami's like, their secondary is the worst in the NFL right now.
76:39He has to get home, and he does with seven for 88, a 35% target share.
76:44And this one, Kenneth Walker not nearly as dialed in as a receiver.
76:48Now, that said, a little play action, underhand, receiving touchdown at the goal line for Kenneth Walker.
76:53But a lot fewer, you know, checkdowns, a lot fewer, like, swing routes, a lot fewer screens to Kenneth Walker.
76:59I think that really is, like, the Rasheed Rice stuff.
77:02Like, if that consistently goes to Kenneth Walker like it did in the first couple weeks, he's got no chance.
77:08If this is what it looks like, I think Rasheed Rice could be a fantasy wide receiver 2-3.
77:14I don't think that we're going to get, like, Rasheed Rice as the top 5, top 10 overall wide receiver.
77:20But I think that he's going to hold the line.
77:23Yeah, I mean, I did want to ask you about Rice because, Hayden, the first two weeks of the season, it was
77:30two catches, 19 yards, and two catches, 83. So, while there was a bunch of negativity for Rasheed Rice earlier this season,
77:36we do have back-to-back 80-yard performances with, you know, four and seven receptions.
77:40I'm not saying that this is the wide receiver one-ish numbers that we were getting early on.
77:45But in the grand scheme of wide receiver 2-3 stuff, this is not, like, a totally bottomed-out fantasy pick as maybe it
77:52was made out to be after week one. In week two's 80 yards was very, you know, fluky.
77:57Like, they had, like, the 30 or 40 yards, like, at the end of the game.
78:02This was way more real Rasheed Rice stuff. Like, enough where, like, he's certainly going to be a top 20 wide receiver in my rankings next week.
78:10I feel like the big picture thing, zooming back out, is just, I mean, Patrick Mahomes did nothing wrong in this one.
78:1790th percentile completion percentage over-expected. 95th percentile EPA per play.
78:20That includes the interception that I did not think was his fault.
78:24On play action, 11 for 11, seven of those were under center play action, not, like, the little RPO play action, like,
78:30real play action stuff for 189 yards in this one.
78:33Travis Kelsey with a very interesting game. Wide open chunk play on the first play of the game.
78:39It was the exact same play that George Kittle had against the Dolphins last week where he starts off going right, comes
78:45back left, wide open, like, literally the same exact play.
78:48Wide open. Does nothing for the entire rest of the game until the last play of the game for them, scores a
78:55touchdown on a third and six, which he was the first retarget.
78:59So first play, last play, nothing in between. That's where Rasheed Rice was kind of more important.
79:04And then Kenneth Walker, like, starts the game, 10-yard touchdown up the middle.
79:08I mentioned the receiving touchdown at the goal line there.
79:11Like, even in a game where the Chiefs had 49 plays, Kenneth Walker finishes with 20 opportunities, scores two touchdowns.
79:17Pretty good. Yeah. This is going to be pretty easy for him.
79:20Nobody other than Bijan and Gibbs. I said it week one.
79:24Like, those are the only two running backs I'll take over Walker.
79:27And then, Hayden, I'm going to put you on the spot because people watching this show, thank you for watching.
79:33We know you are. They're feeling it right now, okay?
79:36Devon A-chan down. Brees Hall down. Travis A-chan down.
79:39We lost both A-chan boys. If you had to pick one of Ollie Gordon, Braylon Allen, or Alvin Kamara, because managers are pan...
79:46Listen, we're at that point now. They are like, man, I'm hurting.
79:50It's Braylon. It's Braylon Allen? Okay. There you go.
79:52Because they're going to spin fast. I think it's pretty easy.
79:56People are going to blow the budget to get one of these running backs.
80:00I think that Braylon Allen is a pretty solid pickup.
80:03If I was giving advice on the Waiver Wire show, I'm at...
80:07You can do it instead of me tomorrow night if you want to.
80:11I'm doing plenty. I got plenty of shows to record myself here.
80:14That's all you guys. But Braylon Allen, he's going to get all the goal line stuff because Isaiah Davis isn't going to get any of that.
80:22And the Jets offense has been confident for the three games there.
80:26And I think that Braylon Allen, among backup running backs, is he the best?
80:30No. Is he the worst? No. I think we know what we're signing up with.
80:34With Ollie Gordon stuff, good game from him because he was able to absorb everything.
80:39I just don't know if that's going to carry over when Jalen Wright is actually active for the game.
80:45And that is just a huge wrinkle that we just cannot account for with the new coaching staff.
80:50And I think the Jets score more points than the Dolphins.
80:54The Dolphins by double or triple it. Yes. Just quickly on this.
80:57Since Emmitt Johnson was such an active waiver wire pickup, he had six touches compared to the 20 for Ken Walker.
81:03So again, this is the gap is closing a little bit, but not really closing overall.
81:08It doesn't matter. Emmitt Johnson is a handcuff, a running back insurance play at best.
81:13Okay. Unfortunately, since Matt Harmon is not here, we didn't get eyeballs on four other games.
81:18So I'll just call attention to some stuff in the box score and see if any of us got any eyeballs on it.
81:25The first one is the Arizona Cardinals and the San Francisco 49ers.
81:28Arizona nearly comes up with this one. Only lose by six.
81:32Albeit, it felt like that the 49ers had nice command for most of the game.
81:36Brock Purdy, unreal on just 15 completions. Throws for nearly 300 yards and four touchdowns.
81:41Two of those to George Kittle. One, I guess is the Debo Samuel on a hook and lateral to Mike Evans, who
81:47then pitches that and he runs at 80 yards.
81:50I'm going to assume that Debo Samuel Hayden set the NFL record for most receiving yards, actually having an actual reception with 80 in this game.
81:58I did see a tweet. I think it was like since like 1960 something when they started tracking that.
82:04That's exactly what happened. I will say this on Debo.
82:07That was probably the fastest he's ran in quite a while.
82:10He hit the corner there pretty decent. I'm assuming it was a safety coming around and he just outran him there.
82:16So I think that was really encouraging. I did watch a lot of this game.
82:21Brock Purdy is the MVP through three weeks, like hang the banner through three weeks.
82:25But Brock Purdy pretty much has not missed. And I think the big thing that's standing out with him is the injuries around him.
82:33And we lost so many multiple soldiers here. Mike Evans leaves with a rib injury.
82:37I'm a car. It's like a oblique. Yeah, it's like oblique rib cartilage.
82:41Like that might be like a, you know, not something that you should get an injection in playthrough.
82:47Like that could be something that lingers. Trent Williams had a stinger in this one.
82:51He did not play for a lot of the second half in this game.
82:55So like they were running out of guys to throw the ball to.
82:59And that's where George Kittle gets left open a couple times in the end zone.
83:04Brock Purdy, it was also like running around like a madman.
83:07We didn't see, I think one of them got called back here, but you add another 34 yards.
83:13Like he is dialed in right now. So really impressive performance by Brock Purdy because this defense is so injured that, you
83:19know, a Cardinals team can put up 30 points.
83:22Yeah. Yeah. I was watching some of this too.
83:25Yeah. I was watching some of this one too.
83:27And just the play designs from Kyle Shanahan and just the efficiency is there.
83:32It does look like George Kittle's back. And there was a 50 yarder from Brock Purdy called back by an awful, awful holding call on George Kittle.
83:40At the three yard line, they threw that flag.
83:42Absolutely ridiculous. So Purdy should add another rushing touchdown in this one.
83:46I'll just say this. The 49ers lost Nick Bosa and I believe two additional defensive tackles prior to this game.
83:52And one of my bold calls was Jeremiah Love is just going to get fed.
83:57Like he's going to have a good game. 21 for 90 isn't, you know, it's not world beating.
84:02It's not Gibbs. It's not Bijon. But I thought Love ran well.
84:06The Niners kind of sold out to stop him.
84:08But I thought he looked really good. And we laughed about it last week.
84:13Get Tyler Algier off the field because he looked so slow.
84:16Only two carries for Tyler Algier in this one.
84:19Speak on it, Hayden. Yeah, on Algier, it wasn't an injury.
84:22He just got benched, you know. It's just as simple as that.
84:26And it was the right time. Josh, you nailed it with like the Brees Hall stuff.
84:30Like the first two games with LeFleur, with Brees Hall kind of gets eased in.
84:35And at that point, just like it's complete go time as it should with Jeremiah Love.
84:40There was a couple like spin moves from him.
84:43I still think that he looks awesome. But he's going to catch passes.
84:46He had five targets for five receptions in like cleanup mode here.
84:50And he's not going to come off the football field at all, rightfully so.
84:54I think that if we were redrafting today, I think there's a good argument that he would be a second round pick,
85:01especially like all the running backs that we just mentioned that got hurt this week.
85:06Like he would be screaming up draft boards, like maybe even like being passed, passing up like someone like Chase Brown to Ashton Gentty.
85:13Would you rather have Love or Ashton Gentty? Like I think I would rather have Jeremiah Love at this point.
85:19Yeah. The Cardinals are like they're a functionally bad team.
85:22Like there's some competency here with Jacoby Brissett in catch up mode.
85:25And I'm here for the fancy points. Yeah. Their next two games, I think, are actually kind of winnable.
85:31It's the Giants and the Lions. So maybe we'll get some friskiness here from the Arizona Cardinals.
85:36They're pass catchers in this game. Michael Wilson, 17 targets, 11 receptions, 89 yards.
85:41So one guy and Michael Wilson gets 17 targets and one guy and Marvin Harrison Jr.
85:45gets five targets. So if that doesn't tell you everything you need to know about the totem pole here with Trey McBride
85:52sandwiched in between for nine, for 75. I'm wondering what the 49ers even do at wide receiver.
85:57Like with every single name that they have missed, Demarcus Robinson added on to that.
86:02It was like Jaden Watkins popping up with two catches for 60.
86:05Is there anyone in the Rolodex that is like, are they even called Dante Pettis?
86:10What are we doing here? BTJ. Trade for that BTJ.
86:13Jerry Judy. I'm just saying they've had so many, you know, receivers cycled through there over the years that we can get like an AJ Jenkins call.
86:21Ray, that's a deep cut for you. AJ Jenkins.
86:24That is a deep cut. First round pick. First round pick.
86:27All right. In real life. Let's talk about, man, all these games I wish we got eyeballs on, but that's just going
86:34to make stats versus film even better this week.
86:36The Pittsburgh Steelers, 30 Cincinnati Bengals, 27. So I'm looking at it.
86:40Joe Burrow, three touchdowns, 282, zero interceptions, only one sack taken.
86:43That means Jamar Chase, 98 and one. T Higgins, 90 and one.
86:47Mike Kosicki, 37 and one. But really nothing in the Russian department.
86:51And I think this comes down to like the fumble at the end of the game kind of seals it for a
86:57Pittsburgh Steelers offense that might not have been pretty for the entire time.
87:01Aaron Rodgers yelling at his own teammates after they dropped some passes.
87:05But Jalen Warren pops up for seven and a half yards for pop at 17 carries, 127 yards.
87:10And then they spread it around almost evenly with yes, the big right tackle Darnell Washington, three receptions, 67 yards being this team's leading rusher.
87:18Who has a thought? Who has a question? Can I say Aaron Rodgers was dialed in at the start of this game?
87:25I mean, he looked at the start of the game, right?
87:28I know the final stat line was good. But I mean, there was a Ben Skoranek.
87:33It looked like they were going to insert him to block.
87:36They bring him in motion. And then he seeps free for a touchdown.
87:40Roman Wilson looked like trusted by Aaron Rodgers early in this game.
87:44I know DK Metcalf scored. But this was a shocker for me, y'all.
87:48I mean, Aaron Rodgers looked good in this game, all things considered.
87:51And maybe just kind of leaning on Jalen Warren to run the ball and open things up.
87:56I don't know how confident I am in them week to week.
88:00But I'll just say I'm intrigued by Roman Wilson.
88:03I would like to look at his deployment and how they used him a little bit.
88:07Because he's one of the few guys on that field that's got some short area quickness and some juice.
88:13I think my takeaway from this one is, you know, the Bengals defense looked awesome against the Texans.
88:19I think that's going to happen for every team facing the Texans.
88:22And like, I think that the Dexter Lawrence stuff is going to make an impact.
88:27But like, I mean, this defense is not going to be that good.
88:31Like, they're just still figuring things out at too many positions in general.
88:35Like, they don't like still look like consistently rush the passer in this one.
88:39So yeah, I want to go back and watch this one.
88:42The one play that I saw from this one is Jalen Warren had nobody in front of him for a touchdown.
88:49Jalen Warren had an awesome game. And then just got completely sniped and like just turf monstered.
88:54He doesn't finish with a touchdown. Otherwise, goes absolutely crazy in this one.
88:58He does not come off the field pretty much in this one.
89:01It's like a 92% snap rate for Jalen Warren.
89:04Rico Dowdle, it's a toe injury. So like, I think the Steelers offense showed enough here where Jalen Warren like was ranked
89:11as a top 15 fantasy running back. And like absolutely should have been.
89:15Every run to the left. Look at that. Run, run, run, left, left, left.
89:19Yeah. The Bengals are kind of one play away from being 3-0.
89:22And instead they're 2-1. They have the ball 53 seconds left.
89:26First and 10 at the plus 38. So in the Pittsburgh Steelers 38-yard line.
89:30At worst, that should be, hey, send it into overtime.
89:33And unfortunately, your boy Derek Harmon sacks Joe Burrow and the game ends on a fumble.
89:38So that must feel wicked for the Bengals fans on top of it.
89:42Okay. Another game that there is no chance I would have predicted this game being close.
89:47And especially a Washington Commanders win at home. 33 points compared to the Seattle Seahawks.
89:5131 points. Hey, Marcus Mariota. Three touchdown passes. 183 yards.
89:54I mean, I'm kind of looking at the stat sheet.
89:57And I don't know how the Commanders got 33 points.
90:00And I don't know how they won this game.
90:03With 183 yards passing. And then 82 yards rushing on 32 carries.
90:07And yet here we see the end result being the defending Super Bowl champions.
90:11Well, Janarian Price fumbling. That's one way to get good field position.
90:14That was a bummer right away in this one.
90:17But quickly on the Marcus Mariota side of this.
90:20I had a tweet December 2nd of last year.
90:23And it said, since 2024, Marcus Mariota is first in completion percent over expected.
90:27Seventh in success rate and 11th in EPA per drop back.
90:30And I'm going to have to update those. Because this is like another excellent game against the Seahawks.
90:36Without Sam Cosme, probably their best offensive lineman that's still healthy there.
90:39It's like a really impressive game from them. I'm going to have to go back and watch this one.
90:45Like the fact that Terry McLaurin got home despite facing Devin Witherspoon and Josh Jobe.
90:49With that state of the offensive line is like super impressive stuff.
90:53And I think without question, Marcus Mariota is the best backup in the NFL.
90:57And his passing numbers are almost identical on a per game basis to Jaden Daniels.
91:02Obviously, Jaden Daniels is five times more explosive than Marcus Mariota.
91:05But purely just dropping back over like the last year or so.
91:09Marcus Mariota has like been holding the line. So really awesome performance for him.
91:13Ray, I brought this up after week one. For the rushing attacks against Durante Jones's defense, who is a disciple of Brian Flores.
91:20We know those Flores defenses are tough to run on.
91:23Seattle has ran it on a bunch of people.
91:26And they only managed 44 rushing yards on 18 carries.
91:29Jaden Price five for 15. Emmanuel Wilson was even worse at nine carries for 14 yards.
91:34So maybe this is something we need to keep in mind with this commander's defense.
91:38Albeit not as good as the Vikings. But they do so many similar things that maybe they are just as difficult.
91:44Or not just as. But fringing on close to being difficult to run on.
91:49What's so frustrating about this is Seattle is giving Jaden Price every opportunity to be the guy.
91:54Every opportunity. And that once he got fumbled, they said there was a tweet out there that he's just in a raincoat on the sideline.
92:01For the rest of the game until they got down late in the third quarter.
92:06Sonny Stiles was awesome in this game. The rookie linebacker for the commanders running stride for stride.
92:11With Jaden Price down the field defended him. It would have been a long touchdown catch for Price.
92:16Yet this rookie linebacker is just. I mean, he's running stride for stride with Price.
92:21But five carries, 15 yards. And we talked about it last week.
92:25And I was like, hey, he got hurt in the game.
92:28Josh, I know you went back. You watched it and said, hey, I think that those 14 carries would have gone to
92:35Price had he not been injured in the third quarter.
92:38But if he can't be trusted to take care of the football, they can't run it.
92:42Like, it's not George Helani. It's not Emmanuel Wilson.
92:45They want it to be Price. He has got to step up in a major way.
92:50One of the interceptions from Sam Darnold, I mean, it was tipped up in the middle of the line.
92:56Defensive, the defensive linemen just got their hands on it and it popped up.
93:00Jackson Smith and Jigba tied for the league lead with six touchdowns through three weeks.
93:05Just unreal. Nothing that we really need to dive into.
93:08But just unreal player Jackson Smith and Jigba. We'll go through that one much more in stats versus film.
93:13And we'll close out here with the New York Jets.
93:16They're actually two and one as they beat the Tennessee Titans 12 to seven in weather.
93:21I mean, there's really no one to point to here that's fantasy relevant.
93:25The Giants did not have an offensive touchdown in this game.
93:28Cam Skadaboo was the leading receiver with three catches for 40 yards and the leading rusher with 20 carries for 60 yards.
93:35Um, Malik neighbors only five for 26. Maybe that goes to show you where they're at with James Winston at this point,
93:42along with us being on quarterback trade watch as all the national insiders have been talking about that all day on Sunday.
93:48Uh, bomb the Titans in like Hayden, Brian Burns plays in this game, but he exits and a lot of pain.
93:55It kind of sounded like some of their big time defensive players didn't make that big of an impact.
94:00And yet here we are with Cam Ward on 36 attempts, just getting 181 yards.
94:05And with a couple minutes to go has a chance of outright winning this game and throws a lackadaisical interception on first
94:12down in the red zone, despite having multiple timeouts.
94:14And the game is over and that's it. It's almost time, man.
94:18Like it's, it's almost time to do a Bryce young and sitting down for, for a little bit.
94:23And it's almost time beyond that for the Tennessee Titans to like really start looking at this incoming quarterback class.
94:29Like it just too many, too many of those same mistakes.
94:33They couldn't run the ball. Obviously they've never been able to run the ball, but beyond that, like just the cam ward, like he's so lackadaisical back there.
94:41Like, and he's not accurate enough. He's still throwing the ball right at defenders.
94:45He went to the podium after that game on that brutal interception.
94:49And he said like, he wasn't fooled. Like he just like did not throw it with enough height.
94:55And I'm like, he said it was a good throw.
94:58You just needed to get it up a little bit.
95:01Okay. I mean, yeah, it does need to get it up a little bit.
95:05Your numbers got to get up a little bit or you're going to go to the bench.
95:10And here's the problem with the Tennessee Titans right now is the next two games.
95:14They're in Baltimore against the Ravens with Jesse Minter, who throw a bunch of curveballs at you defensively with aliens back there in the secondary.
95:22And then you get the Houston Texans and those tackles are not going to be able to survive.
95:27So like it's only going to get worse for cam war these next two weeks, most likely.
95:33And we're getting very close to the point where like, should they bench him now to avoid those games or should they get through those next couple games?
95:41And then Titans fans and the Titans organization are like ready to turn the page completely on cam war.
95:47There's just like not been nearly enough good to overcome, like which is like every single week way, way, way too much bad.
95:54I, I've been talked about on X as being this big time cam war hater, but I'll just say this.
96:00There was some really concerning stuff that I heard from him coming into the season.
96:04I'm watching that show quarterback and he talked about midway through the year last year, he had to go back to his,
96:11you know, quarterback training coach because he knew his mechanics were off and he was lazy in the pocket.
96:17And then he also talked about never having to study film until he got to the university of Miami.
96:22He said he didn't do it at incarnate word.
96:25He didn't do it at Washington state. He just, the first time that he watched quarterback film was in his final season
96:32at college at the university of Miami. And I'm watching that play and people are like, Oh, look at his aura in
96:38the pocket where he just kind of stopped moving and stood there and threw the ball.
96:43It was everything about how he's playing right now.
96:46Just does not scream long-term NFL starter. It does not give you confidence in them or that team.
96:51You look at the stat line. Tate was fine.
96:54I guess Wanda Robinson scored. What I heard and read a lot, Josh and Hayden was Najee Harris didn't look bad running the ball in this one.
97:02What you do with that information, I do not know.
97:05But Jameis Winston released a commercial yesterday with him grabbing crab legs.
97:09And I'm thinking to myself, I know it was filmed before yesterday, but I didn't feel good about Jameis Winston before the game.
97:16I don't feel good about Jameis Winston in the offense after the game.
97:20I don't want any part of Malik neighbors. I don't want any part of Isaiah Likely.
97:25They need to find somebody else pronto or maybe it's just like, how can you feel good about anything in New York?
97:31Malik neighbors included. Yeah. I mean, the Isaiah Likely week one stuff is like way behind us at this point.
97:37I feel like there's a lot of those week one performances that look a bit different after, after week three.
97:43They do have the Cardinals next week. Again, this is this.
97:47Stanza of the season for the Giants where they should win games, Cardinals, commanders over the next two weeks.
97:52But how do you win those games? Is it going to be yards?
97:56Is it going to be points? Or is it again going to be ball control and we win defensively and we win the margins?
98:04Kind of like this one. I can't remember who said it.
98:07Either Cam Scadaboo or Javon Holland. Someone said, hey, if this was us last year, we would have lost this game, but we won it.
98:15And I think that was a direct shot at the offensive coordinator of the opposite sideline in Brian Dayball.
98:20There's a lot of overlap in this game. I will say this.
98:24Devin Singletary was a healthy scratch in this one.
98:27And that is pretty helpful for Cam Scadaboo. Like the fact that he was like the leading receiver in this one.
98:33It's like that's pretty promising because after week one, he wasn't pretty much involved in that capacity at all.
98:39And it's his back to back games where he's at least catching three plus passes.
98:43So maybe we'll go back and watch this game.
98:46And it was like just like too much of a rainstorm or whatever.
98:50I know there's some rain in the forecast. But to your point, Ray, the Cam Ward and Jameis Winston, like there's a
98:57little bit too like unseriousness for like what we're expecting out of starting quarterbacks at this point.
99:02And I think the results are speaking for themselves.
99:04All right. That's going to do it again. The games we didn't really dive into circle back here during stats for his film on Tuesday.
99:12We'll have watched all of those. That's for sure.
99:15Along with Matt Harmon joining us on that episode.
99:17And again, keep in mind, Monday Night Football, as soon as it hits triple zeros, we'll have the week four waiver wire
99:24on the channel for all of you. Lots that I've been to because of all these injuries.
99:29And we're going to spend all day tomorrow looking into it and recording so we get it right for all of you.
99:36Ray, thanks so much. Hayden, you as well. Production behind the scenes.
99:39Shout out to all of you for watching. We'll see you next time.
99:43See you.