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Week 4 Preview: The Raiders are in our Game of the Week!

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1 hr 28 min
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Oct 2, 2026
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Fri, October 2, 2026
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Joe BurrowJa'Marr ChaseTyron JohnsonAlvin KamaraBaker MayfieldBrock BowersBrock PurdyDak PrescottJalin MooreKenneth Walker IIIKirk CousinsMalik WillisMike EvansPatrick Mahomes
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Alvin Kamara

NegativeMatchup13:00

Kamara was on the receiving end of a highlight-reel tackle by N'Kobe Dean in the Saints game, where Dean flew downhill and made a cartoonish tackle on him. This play exemplifies the Raiders' defensive scheme and Dean's effectiveness in getting downfield quickly.

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Baker Mayfield

NegativeProjection67:18

The source references Baker Mayfield's terrible performance in the previous week's game, describing it as "as ugly as it could possibly look for like any quarterback." The source uses Mayfield's poor outing as a comparison point when discussing the Dolphins' offensive struggles and their likelihood of having an ugly game against the Vikings defense.

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Brock Bowers

PositiveUsage21:48

Brock Bowers received 13 targets in week three against the Saints, which the source believes was a force-feeding situation to showcase the rookie in his first game; the source expects his target volume to normalize over the course of the season to a more balanced blend, though Bowers is described as an incredible player.

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Brock Purdy

PositiveProjection25:45

Brock Purdy is playing at an MVP level; the source believes he is better now than he was in 2023 when the 49ers offense was already great, noting he is doing more lifting in why the offense feels great; he is very good at reading and throwing the offense, can do things off schedule, and is perfectly suited to get the most out of Kyle Shanahan's system; the list of quarterbacks who could do what he is doing in the 49ers offense right now is very short.

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Dak Prescott

NegativeProjection58:48

The source observes that Dak Prescott appears stiffer and less precise as a passer than in years past. Specifically, his accuracy outside the numbers has been inconsistent; in the 10-to-20 yard range, he is throwing high frequently, willing to let receivers go up and get it, which is more pronounced this year. The source cites a specific example from the Ravens game where Prescott threw high to CD Lamb on an out-breaker intended for the right side, disrupting Lamb's timing and forcing him to go up for the ball in an awkward way. While the Cowboys offense remains really good and explosive downfield, the source notes there are one or two throws per game where Prescott at his best would make those intermediate throws more consistently.

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Ja'Marr Chase

PositiveUsage39:01

The source identifies Jamar Chase as involved in the second explosive play the Bengals hit against the Steelers—a back shoulder ball on fourth and two against cover three in a one-on-one situation. The source notes this type of timing-dependent throw is only possible when Burrow maintains his eyes downfield and doesn't turn his back to the defense, which is more difficult in the Bengals' increased under center scheme.

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PositiveUsage42:16

Chase is a primary target in the Bengals' high-volume passing attack and can make plays even when not open; the source notes Chase catching the ball over Derek Stingley when 'he's not open. He's never open. And it doesn't matter because you can just kind of do that,' illustrating his elite ability to create separation and win contested catches in the Bengals' three-times-per-game haymaker shot approach.

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Jalin Moore

NegativeDepth Chart10:30

Moore is the Chiefs' right tackle and is described as mediocre and replacement-level. The Chiefs' scheme of staying out of pure pass situations helps minimize exposure of Moore and fellow tackle Khalil Benson, as the team avoids situations where these weaker pass protectors would be exposed.

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Joe Burrow

NegativeRole37:02

The source expresses concern about the Bengals' increased under center usage (30% so far, up from lower rates last year) and its impact on Burrow's play. While the run game has been solid and more efficient from under center, the passing game has struggled significantly; the Bengals rank 31st in passing success rate from under center this year, second-worst only to the Eagles. The source notes that Burrow "just doesn't feel like the best version of himself" when executing under center play action, particularly on timing-sensitive throws like back shoulder balls that require him to keep his eyes downfield rather than turning his back to the defense. The source argues that despite the offensive line and run game benefits of under center looks, the drawbacks to Burrow's passing efficiency and comfort level may outweigh the benefits, and suggests the Bengals might benefit from reducing under center usage while maintaining run game effectiveness.

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NegativeRole39:46

Burrow is comfortable throwing from gun formation and hitting explosive plays downfield, but uncomfortable getting under center and throwing over the middle of the field with his back turned; the Bengals offense has adapted to this limitation by committing to a spread-and-shred approach similar to mid-2010s Steelers, which reliably produces a top-eight offense despite not being the original vision.

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NegativeMatchup42:30

The source notes that the Bengals offense aims to keep Burrow efficient and ahead of the sticks, with a game plan that allows him to see coverage clearly; the strategy includes occasional deep shots (three times per game) where Burrow makes plays, though the source suggests better options would be preferable but this approach remains viable.

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NegativeMatchup48:02

Joe Burrow and the Bengals offense have a favorable matchup against the Jaguars defense in Week 4. Teams have played man coverage only 17.7% of the time against Cincinnati (bottom-six rate), yet the Bengals have a 65% success rate against man coverage while averaging 10.7 yards per play, suggesting the Jaguars will need to adjust their defensive approach or risk continued offensive success.

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Kenneth Walker III

NegativeRole4:00

Walker is central to the Chiefs' ability to execute their modernized under center run-heavy scheme. The source emphasizes that bringing in Walker allows the Chiefs to run the ball on their own terms and be explosive, forcing defenses to respect the inside run and play action game. Many of the Chiefs' runs hit right off center and right guard, illuminating the talent of Creed Humphrey and Trey Smith. Walker's presence enables the Chiefs to avoid third-and-long situations; they've faced only the fourth-lowest rate of third-and-medium or third-and-long dropbacks in the league.

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Kirk Cousins

NegativeProjection22:27

Kirk Cousins limits what the Raiders offense can do compared to what Kyle Kubiak could do with Sam Darnold; at 38 years old, Cousins was not an explosive player at his physical peak and lacks the mobility and arm talent to execute the boot-heavy, outside-zone-based scheme the way Darnold did with Seattle; this lack of explosiveness and pop will lower the ceiling for what the offense can achieve.

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Malik Willis

NegativeProjection67:18

The source notes that Malik Willis has not been terrible given the horrible circumstances he has been put in as the Dolphins' quarterback. However, the source does not view Willis as the type of quarterback who can effectively beat the Vikings defense by throwing deep downfield—the way the source identifies as a potential path to beating Minnesota. The source suggests Willis lacks the receiver talent and the ability to see and execute deep throws quickly enough to exploit the Vikings' defense, making the Vikings-Dolphins matchup feel like a game that could get away from Miami very quickly.

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Mike Evans

PositiveInjury36:33

Mike Evans is expected to play in week four against the Broncos; he is the offensive lead for the 49ers passing game discussion and the primary player of interest in the matchup.

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Patrick Mahomes

PositiveProjection5:00

Mahomes is benefiting from the Chiefs' modernized offensive scheme featuring 39.7% under center snaps (up from 18.5% last year) and heavy play action. On under center play action throws, he's averaging 13 yards per attempt with a 73.7% success rate and 0.59 EPA per play; through three games, the Chiefs have accumulated more cumulative EPA on under center play action throws than they had in three of the last four full seasons. His time to throw is 2.45 seconds on quick-hitting gun passes with a 48% success rate and 0.1 EPA per drop back, allowing the offense to minimize exposure of weaker pass protection.

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Rashee Rice

PositiveUsage9:00

Rice is being utilized effectively in the Chiefs' quick-hitting screen game, which is a core component of their modernized offense. The source notes that Rice, along with Xavier Worthy, can make plays with the ball in their hands, with Rice being particularly effective on screens. The source states that building the offense around Rasheed Rice screens is probably the best way to use him, as that's what he does best. This usage pattern helps the Chiefs' offense function despite receiver talent limitations.

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Tee Higgins

PositiveUsage38:36

The source highlights Tee Higgins as a beneficiary of the Bengals' offensive scheme, noting that one of the two explosive plays the Bengals hit against the Steelers was a go ball to Higgins. This is mentioned in the context of discussing how the Bengals' attempts to be more explosive through under center looks have had mixed results, but Higgins was involved in one of the successful explosive plays.

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Travis Hunter

PositiveRole45:38

The source advocates for Travis Hunter to play more snaps at cornerback to build reps in the Jaguars' communication-heavy, zone-based defensive scheme. Hunter has special movement skills and can close on plays effectively, but needs consistent reps to be comfortable with the coverage assignments and pass-off responsibilities by playoff time; the source notes he didn't get many snaps against Denver early in the season but should be a top outside corner alongside Jerry Jones.

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Travis Kelce

PositiveRole5:18

Kelce is a cornerstone of the Chiefs' revamped offensive identity. The source notes that Kelce looks better and smoother this year compared to prior seasons. He's featured prominently in the under center play action scheme, including on the first play against Miami where he caught a big chunk gain on a Seattle corner out. His improved performance and effectiveness from the tight end spot, combined with Kenneth Walker's addition, helps offset the Chiefs' receiver talent limitations.

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Tre Tucker

PositiveRole22:02

Trey Tucker is having a pretty good season; the source notes the Raiders' wide receiver core is pretty limited in many ways, but Tucker stands out as a positive contributor to the offense.

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Tyron Johnson

PositiveRole18:00

Johnson is playing much better football than anticipated, particularly against the run. The source notes that Johnson is doing really good stuff, especially in the run game, and is coming downhill with physicality from the nickel spot. The Raiders play nickel 84% of the time, and Johnson's physical run defense from that position has been crucial to their defensive success. The source was surprised by this performance, as he thought Johnson had lost a step over the last year or two, but Johnson has found a fountain of youth and is playing much better than expected.

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PositiveRole18:22

The source expected Teron Johnson to have declined in recent years, noting he seemed less physical and quick in the run game with diminished coverage skills, but he has played much better football than anticipated this season.

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Xavier Worthy

PositiveUsage9:00

Worthy is part of the Chiefs' quick-hitting perimeter passing game, where he and Rasheed Rice can make plays with the ball in their hands. The source notes that even if the Chiefs' receivers are not perfect or very good at many things, Worthy and Rice can create value in the screen game and quick-hitting concepts that are central to the modernized offense.

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Episode Transcript

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0:00Welcome to The Athletic Football Show brought to you by the US Bank Smartly Visa Signature Card.
0:05No Dave today, he's dealing with some family stuff.
0:07It's me and Derrik Klassen on the Week 4 Preview.
0:10Lot of fun conversations on this one. Raiders Chiefs is the game of the week.
0:14We had to spend some time with the 3-0 Raiders and what has kind of taken them to this point so far.
0:20Also chatted about the Niners offense against the Broncos defense, some Sicko Street that involved Mike Tomlin's Minecraft obsession, and a lot
0:26more from the Week 4 slate with me and Derek.
0:28Let's get to it right now. Digging into the Week 4 slate in the NFL, we have, let's say, one and a half games of the week.
0:36One game we're really going to dig into, another where we're going to spend most of our time on one side of the ball.
0:42This might be our only chance to do this, or at least it's a surprising opportunity, at the very least.
0:48The 3-0 Raiders are playing the 3-0 Chiefs. One of these teams is going to be 4-0 at the end of Week
0:544, and it might be the Las Vegas Raiders.
0:56We have not talked a ton about the Raiders.
0:59We hit on them on the Sunday night show, but really wanted to spend some time today, Derek, digging into what the
1:04Raiders specifically have done this year as, obviously, I think the most surprising 3-0 team in the league.
1:09I mean, they have as many wins, I think, as they did all of last year.
1:14Like, the way that they are playing, and obviously, you know, again, you make a good point of like, I don't know
1:20how many games of the week they'll play, because this will probably taper off a little bit, but they are a seriously good team.
1:26Like, they're very well coached. They have enough star players on both sides of the ball that they can make a lot of games interesting.
1:33And the other thing, like, I know that this is a new Raiders team than it has been in the past couple of years.
1:39Doesn't it feel like Raiders Chiefs games are always really weird for one reason or another?
1:44You have like the Christmas game where like Patrick Mahomes plays one of the worst games of his life.
1:49And then you have last year where the Chiefs defense played like one of the best defensive games of the century against
1:55Geno Smith in that version of the offense. Like every Raiders Chiefs game just feels bizarre.
1:59Wasn't it a Black Friday game two years ago?
2:02That was another weird game. So they played the Christmas game was three years ago.
2:06The Black Friday game was two years ago. That was also weird.
2:09Like, there have been plenty of weird Raiders Chiefs games, even when there has been a bigger gap, even when the Raiders
2:15haven't been a buttoned up put together team in the way they are right now.
2:19Yes, exactly. So now the fact that they're good, well, shoot, what does that mean?
2:23So I'm excited to dig into this one. Let's start with when the Chiefs had the ball in this game, just because
2:29I think those to me are the two most compelling units in this game right now for just a bunch of different reasons.
2:35Let's start with the Chiefs offense. I think it is hilarious that the Chiefs this offseason, every single thing that people wanted
2:41them to do in order to modernize the offense, make it easier on the quarterback, just become a harder offense to play against.
2:47They've done all of those things. There have been some other teams.
2:51We'll talk about one of them today where there was so much offseason discourse about we're moving under center.
2:56We're going to play a little bit differently. The two teams that we said that about coming into the year that we're
3:02wondering how much was going to happen were the Bengals and the Eagles.
3:05The Bengals and the Eagles are 31st and 32nd in success rate on under center passes this year.
3:10The Chiefs, there were another team where we were wondering how much are they going to lean into this?
3:15How much is it going to matter? How different is the offense going to be?
3:19The answer is extremely different, and they've seen some real benefits from that so far this year.
3:24They really have. And I think that there are a couple of different reasons for that.
3:28I think one, you know, we talk about especially like the Eagles and the and the Bengals.
3:33I think that there were serious concerns about whether the quarterbacks like those were things that they wanted to do.
3:38Those were offenses they wanted to play in. I think with Mahomes, like we've seen the Chiefs do some of this before
3:44and they've been good at it at times. It's just I think part of the reason they've gotten away from it at
3:50certain times is that the run game was never there enough to really make it worth it.
3:55Like they had the one year, I think in 2022 or 2023 where the run game really was good enough to do some of that stuff.
4:02Last couple of years, they haven't been able to you bring in Ken Walker.
4:06You can run the ball on your own terms.
4:08And I think that's the important part is being able to do it on your own terms and be explosive.
4:14It forces defenses to play you in a little bit of a different way.
4:17You can get more to your 12 personnel hard play action stuff.
4:21You can boot more effectively like you can and like you see too, like they're doing some of the stuff where they'll
4:27shuffle a guy in and it looks like insert duo and they run the corner off of it or they like play
4:33action the other way and they bring that guy on a crosser and they do all this stuff like that's just stuff
4:39that if they tried that a year or two ago, you might catch a defense every now and then, but they're not
4:45like scared of it because they don't give a shit if you're going to run out of that look or not.
4:50And now they actually have to be terrified of that.
4:53They're just pulling all the levers that a lot of really good offenses in the NFL pull.
4:58I think that's what the chiefs offense looks right now.
5:00It looks like right now. And you're seeing a bunch of the benefits just to put some numbers on it.
5:06Last year, per next gen, the chiefs are under center on 18 and a half percent of their snaps this year.
5:11It's 39.7%. It's just a massive increase from one season to the next.
5:15The staff that really jumped out to me. So this season, the chiefs on under center play action throws 14 of 18,
5:210.59 EPA per play, 13 yards per attempt, 73.7% success rate on under center play action.
5:25It's staggering. They have more total EPA. Like so a cumulative number on play under center play action throws this year through
5:31three games than they've had in three of the last four seasons over the course of the entire season.
5:36In three games, if they did that with half of an NFL season, like if you were saying that by week eight
5:42or week nine, that would be impressive, let alone doing that three games into the season.
5:47And it just makes it's it looks so right.
5:49It speaks to what you're saying where it doesn't feel out of place for them.
5:53The first play of the game against the Dolphins, they're in heavy personnel under center play action.
5:58And you have Kelsey on one of those big Seattle corner outs, and it goes for a huge chunk gain.
6:03It's like this is you can play this way like you have the opportunity to play this way and see the benefits of it.
6:10And it is just so gratifying to see them lean into all of this stuff and realize all of the benefits that
6:16come with it that everyone wanted them to try to access.
6:19And I do think the Kelsey part of it is important.
6:22Like all of the schematic stuff is obviously really important and a huge benefit to them.
6:26The fact that Kelsey looks better and smoother this year, and you bring in Kenneth Walker like the personnel on this team is just better.
6:33And I think we've been saying on the show for years, like the receiver talent needs to be better if they really want to take the next step.
6:40And I still do believe that like I would like for them to have a receiver better than the guys that they have.
6:46But the fact that what you're getting out of the tight end spot and what you're getting out of the running back
6:52spot are more effective and more explosive. Now that is that can make up enough of the gap that we felt last
6:58year where even if this is an imperfect wide receiver core, the guy throwing them the ball is still pretty damn good.
7:04And so he can make up enough of that gap when he's getting help from those other guys.
7:09And like you said, some of the scheme stuff they're doing.
7:12I think it's a really cool combination of what they're doing, accentuating the talent and illuminating the talent of their best players
7:18and kind of covering up for their weaker players.
7:21When you look at just what the entire offense is in combination, the way they're running the ball under center, not only
7:27as a way to unleash Kenneth Walker, so many of these runs are hitting right off of the center and right guard.
7:33And so you're really feeling how good and potent the combination of Creed Humphrey and Trey Smith is in a way that
7:39you didn't when you weren't leaning on the ground game as much.
7:42And so you have this kind of quartet and maybe five group of five players, if you want to include Kelsey, that
7:48are the most important players in the offense. And what they're doing is really illuminating and accentuating those players.
7:53When you have a ton of under center play action as the foundation of the offense, and then you combine it with
7:59what their gun passing game looks like, which is all incredibly quick, get the ball out of our hands, throwing a ton of screens on non-play action passes.
8:06Mahomes is time to throw right now is 2.45 seconds.
8:09He's averaging five area yards per attempt. And on those plays, they have a 48% success rate and are averaging 0.1 EPA per drop back per next gen.
8:17Those numbers are good. And with both of those, either heavy personnel under center play action, or we're getting the ball out of our hands quickly.
8:24You're seeing all the good players shine. You're not noticing that the tackles may struggle in pass protection.
8:29It's like, it's what good offense feels like. It's a long-winded way of saying good offenses highlight your best players and minimize your worst players.
8:35And that's exactly what the Chiefs have done just with the formula that they've been using so far this year.
8:41And it's funny too, because a lot of the screen stuff thrown quick on the perimeter, all that jazz, they were due.
8:47They've been doing a lot of that stuff for the last couple of years, but when teams weren't scared of inside run
8:53of giving up explosives of the play action game, when Patrick Mahomes is just going to drop straight back, you can spend
8:59a little bit more of your mental stack and your resources on like, okay, I'm going to go kill this screen.
9:04I'm going to be ready for this. We're going to tackle in the flat.
9:08But if defenses are having to think about actually getting and handling a lot more concepts, the screen stuff becomes opened up again.
9:14And like, even if their receivers are not perfect or not very good at a lot of things, Rasheed Rice and Xavier
9:20Worthy with the ball in their hands can make plays, especially Rasheed Rice.
9:24That's what Rasheed Rice does. That's the best thing that he does.
9:27Building it out of a ton of Rasheed Rice screens is probably how the way you should be using Rasheed Rice.
9:33And again, this is a broader way of talking about their limitations, but how many times when we were talking about the
9:39Chiefs in the offseason, we were like, man, even after week one, when it's third and seven, are you going to believe in this team?
9:46The Chiefs this season have faced 21 third and medium and third and long dropbacks.
9:50That is the fourth lowest rate in the league, fourth lowest number in the league.
9:54The three teams ahead of that and that fewer third and long or third medium dropbacks, the Niners, the Ravens and the Jags.
10:00Think about what we wanted the Chiefs offense to feel like.
10:03We wanted to feel more like those teams. And so now the fact that they're grouped with those teams because they're gashing
10:09you on first and 10 because of the way that they're playing, it's everything that I've ever wanted.
10:14They are. We're giving the best quarterback in the NFL this sort of support and help.
10:18And I think that this is important, too, because part of the reason the Rams were as successful as they were last
10:24year is they were able to avoid these certain situations.
10:27And for them, it was partly protecting their tackles and then partly protecting like Matthew Stafford when it's pure pass and stuff like that.
10:33He's just not going to move as well. Obviously, with Mahomes, he can bail you out in some of those scenarios.
10:39You do have to protect these tackles a little bit, though.
10:42You're on Khalil Benson at left tackle who like given the situation like undrafted rookie and all that stuff has acquitted himself fine.
10:48Still a player who like you would like to have your starters there.
10:52And then Jalen Moore, I think, is mediocre kind of like replacement level tackle for them.
10:56And so them staying out of pure pass where you're just not in as many situations where those guys are going to be exposed.
11:03What makes this matchup particularly intriguing is that the Chiefs offense is playing at this level and the Raiders defense has been excellent through three games.
11:10Excellent. You look at the numbers per next gen, third in EPA per play so far this year, the Raiders defense.
11:15The only teams that have been better than them are the Seahawks and the Vikings.
11:19And so I wanted to just spend a little bit of time talking about what the Raiders defense even is.
11:25Who are they? What are they trying to do?
11:27Just give a little bit of context to what this unit has been, what their identity is for people who may not
11:33have been watching the Raiders up close over the first three weeks of the season.
11:37So if you were just trying to articulate who the Raiders are trying to be on that side of the ball and
11:43which guys make it go for Rob Leonard's unit, how would you try to articulate that?
11:48I think for me, a lot of the way that it goes is one, we already Max Crosby was obviously incredible and
11:54we knew that, but I think what you're getting out of all the other ancillary players up front or guys that they
11:59had just brought in, I think has been really impressive for one, whenever they're in base or if they see heavy personnel,
12:0512, 13, whatever it is, Quay Walker is on the line of scrimmage all the time.
12:10And that to me is good coaching because he's, he's long, he can set the edge, you can do that stuff, but
12:16it protects him in coverage for a little bit.
12:18And like it protects him like he's a fine stack linebacker.
12:21He's better when he can just go and hit people.
12:24And so them getting into different fronts because they can use him that way, I think has been really smart in the run game.
12:30They do a lot of like stunting, stemming the front, all this stuff.
12:34And the reason being, what is the Kobe Dean good at?
12:37He can read stuff fine. He's also best just being shot out of a cannon and going and getting backfield, dude, I
12:43know exactly what you're going to bring up. Yep.
12:45Going downhill into the backfield. That is while watching tape alone in my office, the loudest reaction I have had to an NFL play this season by far.
12:53I had an audible reaction to, I can't remember exactly when it happened in the game, but he just flies downhill and takes grass.
12:59I think it was Kamara. And he just decleted him like in a cartoonish varsity blues, any given Sunday sort of way.
13:05It was insane. Yeah. Cause it's what they do a lot is they'll take whoever that a gap player is Tonka Hemingway,
13:11Adam Butler, whoever, which by the way, both of those guys are playing really, really well right now.
13:16And we can talk about that in a minute, but they'll stem one of those guys away.
13:21And N'Kobe Dean just fires and they get these free runs for like, for a guy who is that fast and closes.
13:27It's like, if, if anyone has watched the Seahawks defense, you see Drake Thomas do that a million times.
13:32And obviously N'Kobe Dean doesn't need to be protected as much in that way, but he's really, really good at it.
13:38And so what I think the front in particular, the way they put everybody in the best position to win, I think
13:44has been really, really impressive thus far. My biggest concern about them personnel wise coming into the season, the Raiders defense was the interior defensive line.
13:51That was, that was my biggest concern. I was worried they would get blown off the ball as other teams tried to run the ball against him.
13:58And that just hasn't happened in part because of how those guys are playing.
14:02Tonka Hemingway was, I believe a fifth round pick last year or fourth round pick.
14:06And so he's in year two as a young player.
14:08He's playing really well for them. Fully Fatoukasi has given them some decent snaps.
14:12Like those are their starting early down defensive tackles.
14:15And those guys have played well and they've needed to play well, because again, if we get to why, who are the Raiders?
14:21How do they want to play? A lot of what they're trying to do is similar to these Seattle Mike McDonald adjacent defenses.
14:27They're playing with a ton of light, and it makes sense, right?
14:30Clint Kubiak comes from Seattle last year. And then Rob Leonard, who was with the Raiders staff defensively last year as the defensive line coach.
14:37He was with Mike McDonald in Baltimore in 2023.
14:40And so he has history with this. When I made the comparison to the Jags on the Sunday night show where I
14:46was like, I can't remember when I did that, but I said, what if Rob Leonard is just this year's Anthony Campanile?
14:52Anthony Campanile. Yeah. So he has a lot. So he worked with a bunch of different types of staffs.
14:57He was on the floor of staff in 2021 with Anthony Campanile.
15:00And so he has a very similar, like shared defensive background in the way that Campanile does.
15:05But if you look at the identity, they're playing with a ton of light boxes and they're a ton of two high shells against the run.
15:1266% of runs against the Raiders this year have come into two high shells.
15:15That's a higher rate than the Cowboys with Christian Parker coming from a Fangio defense.
15:19That's higher rate than the Eagles who are a Fangio defense.
15:22So that's how they want to play it. And they've held up fine.
15:26They're like a middle of the pack run defense when you, and that's good enough when you're playing this way.
15:31And so that's what they've wanted to do structurally against the run against the pass.
15:35If you look at the coverage menu and like what they're trying to do, it is so similar to what the coverage menu looks like for the Seahawks.
15:43There's a little bit more single high and cover three compared to like cover six, but it's the menu looks pretty similar.
15:49The blitz rates look pretty similar. And even the way they're playing looks pretty similar.
15:53Like the get the space and air they get in depth, they get in some of these zone coverages.
15:58There are two teams in the NFL so far this season that have created at least negative one EPA per drop back on throws of 20 plus yards.
16:06It's the Seahawks and the Raiders. And if you watch the way that they play, it's not surprising.
16:11Not at all. And part of the magic with the Seahawks is if you're going to play this way, you're going to
16:17play so many of these two high shells, you're going to kind of concede space and you're going to like make sure that you're on top of everything.
16:24Well, if you can't run up and tackle in the flat, when you give up all of those easy completions, then it doesn't matter.
16:31Like the Chargers have been under Jesse Minter, the Chargers were very good at this.
16:35The Eagles have typically been good at this. The Seahawks have been good at this, like that style of defense.
16:40You have to be able to do it. The way that these guys come up and tackle is impressive to me.
16:46Like I think like the corners, I think have been up to the task.
16:50Nekobe Dean in particular has been insane at like quick to the flat.
16:53Anytime he gets a check down, he's on it.
16:56If he sees a shallow coming back his way, he's instantly killing it.
16:59Like his ability to get space when he needs to get to his landmarks, but come down and make sure as soon
17:05as the quarterback triggering, I'm getting on top of it.
17:08He's, he's been phenomenal. I mean, he's, I do want to sit on him for a second.
17:12He has been even better than he was in Philly, honestly.
17:15Like he was a good player in Philadelphia. I think he has truly taken a step for this defense.
17:21He's been phenomenal through three games. We've seen these types of contracts work out for linebackers.
17:25The linebacker is a position where you really do age into your best football as you get into your second deal.
17:31And because some teams and with the Eagles specifically, they accounted for it, right?
17:34They drafted Shahad Campbell in the first round. They signed Zach Vaughn and committed to him financially in a way they probably
17:40would never would have imagined when they drafted N'Kobe Dean.
17:43So he just happened to be the odd man out.
17:46And this just isn't that surprising. He was already a good player.
17:49And we see linebackers in their age 25, 26, 27 season able to do stuff like this.
17:54And so incredibly cool stuff from him so far.
17:56The two other guys I would shout out, you are talking Hemingway is one of them, just in terms of why this feels a little bit different.
18:03And I think Teron Johnson is doing some really good stuff, especially against the run.
18:07This team plays nickel like 84% of the time.
18:10Your nickel needs to be a physical run defender if you're going to play that way.
18:14And he's coming downhill. Like he has really given them some physicality from that spot in a way that they've needed based on how they're trying to play.
18:22And honestly, that was surprising to me. I thought Teron Johnson had kind of lost it a little bit.
18:27Like I just, I thought the last year or two, just not as physical, not as quick in the run game.
18:33I think the coverage stuff you love had lost a little bit from him, but for whatever reason, I don't know where,
18:39what fountain of youth he's found or whatever, but he does, he is playing much better football than I had anticipated for them.
18:45The funny thing about going back and watching the saints game over again is that in the early part of that game,
18:51they were trying like a lot of pass rush stunts where you got Crosby doing these like big loot, like just being
18:57a looper in like a slow kind of comical way.
19:00It just looked very messy. And then in the second half, they were just like this.
19:04And they just started bringing five man pressures and letting guys pin their ears back.
19:08And Malcolm Kuntz is somebody else that's worth mentioning.
19:10Like he really seen it from him. And I think that specifically what we saw from the pass rush, when they really
19:16let their guys go in the second half, that's the part I'm watching in this game against the chiefs.
19:21If you can stop the run on early downs, get them into more of those third and sevens.
19:26Can that group Crosby, Kuntz, Quiddy Pay to an extent.
19:29Can we see the limitations of those tackles for the chiefs in a way we really haven't so far this season?
19:35And I think if I'm, if I'm the chiefs, that is what I'm most worried about.
19:39Like, I think when you're going to get, you know, Max Crosby lines up a lot over the right tackle.
19:44I think him versus Jalen Moore, that is huge advantage.
19:47Max Crosby, like he is, he's playing on, if not first team, all pro track right now, like definitely second team.
19:53Like he is again, one of the best edge rushers in the league.
19:56He's been phenomenal, both run and pass. And then Kuntz, like if he's going to line up on the other side, he
20:02often does line up like to the quarterback's blind side.
20:05Again, Khalil Benson has been fine. You can get the corner on him.
20:09Like he's just not quite as athletic as some of these other guys.
20:12And a guy like Kuntz, that's what he's really good at.
20:15He can get the corner on you and he can really turn it.
20:19He had a handful of really impressive reps the last couple of weeks doing exactly that.
20:23And so I do think that there's a world that the Raiders run defense is good enough that if you just get
20:29two drives, two or three drives where you can force a third and nine, a third and 10, whatever it's going to be.
20:35And on those one or two plays, Max Crosby just tears off and make a play.
20:40I do think that that's probably what they're going to need to make this thing work for them.
20:44The question will be whether the offense has enough.
20:47And let's dig into that a little bit. When you watch the Raiders offense right now, it's funny because in week two,
20:53they did scheme up a lot of really cool stuff.
20:55Some of the vertical plays that they hit. And then last week it was just all Brock Bowers all the time.
21:01Like that's what the offense was. And so I'm just wondering at three weeks into the season, as you've gone back and
21:07watch this, what are your just general impressions of the Raiders offense, who they're trying to be and how effective that's looked so far?
21:14I'm really impressed with what they do, given what they have.
21:17I think that they are an offense that does a really good job of stressing your, your rules.
21:22Like, I think that they're pure drop back game stuff.
21:24Like they're going to make you wrong. They're going to run with crossers you don't want to be running with.
21:30They're going to put, especially I think middle of the field defenders, like they run a lot of like swirl concepts, you
21:36know, like whatever you want to call it, where basically you have like a little spot route and the dig behind it,
21:42stuff like that, or constraint plays off of that, that really mess with those middle of the field players.
21:47And I think they, Kirk Cousins does a really good job of seeing and throwing them.
21:51And so I think the first couple of weeks you saw them having to do that stuff.
21:56I also think some of their schemed up shot plays have been good.
21:59Like the call they had against cover two against the Chargers getting Trey Tucker open, I thought was fantastic.
22:04They have a good sense for when and how to call that.
22:08And then I thought last week with Bowers, I don't think he's going to get 13 targets every week.
22:13I hope he does. I mean, I hope he does too.
22:16I think he's an incredible player. I just think them like force feeding him the ball that way, that to me felt
22:22like a, this is his first game. This is our best player.
22:25Let's go see how far we can push this.
22:27And I think obviously it worked really, really well for them.
22:30I think over the course of the year, we're going to get more to a blend.
22:35And so I think I have been impressed with them.
22:37You still see some limitations, right? Like the wide receiver core is pretty limited in a lot of ways.
22:43It's still not great. Even if Trey Tucker, I think is having a pretty good season.
22:47And then Kirk Cousins just limits some of what the offense can do compared to what Kubiak could do with Sam Darnold.
22:53The arm talent is obvious. The other thing is with Sam Darnold, and this is still true of the Seahawks, huge boot team.
22:59They're a team that they just rolled out a ton, especially from under center off of all their outside zone stuff.
23:05Kirk Cousins is just not a threat when he's on the move like that.
23:09He doesn't throw as well. He does not. He's not a threat to run the way that Sam Darnold can.
23:14And so I think they've a little bit struggled to piece together the offense in the same way as they did in Seattle.
23:20I still think they're doing a really good job personnel wise.
23:23I agree with that. I think you just feel some of the limitations, right?
23:27So their run game, their bottom seven in EPA per rush, but their fourth in Russia rate.
23:32And I think some of that is just the gambit that Clint Kubiak was entered into last year.
23:36When you structure the offense that way, the most important thing you do is you hide the offensive line and the pass
23:42protection for this team, given the personnel up front has been way better than you ever would have hoped the same way it was for Seattle last year.
23:50And so there's a little bit of give and take there, but the run game has not been very good.
23:55That's been one of the areas where they've struggled.
23:58They've not been very explosive. They're 28th in explosive play rate.
24:01And I think overall, outside of Trey Tucker, it's just not an explosive group of players like Mike Washington and the backs
24:07kind of are Bowers, I guess, but Bowers even isn't that type of player.
24:11Bowers is explosive insofar as like, you know, we often say explosives are like 16 plus yard passes.
24:15He can get you a lot of those. You're not going to get that many like 50 yard, like monster chunks.
24:21Like it's not that style of explosive. And even, and the, to me, the player where you feel the, it, you look
24:27at what Kirk Cousins is, even compared to what Sam Darnold is.
24:30And like you said, with the boots, there's just a, there's a gap in explosiveness and pop between those players.
24:36Kirk is doing an admirable job. Kirk is 38 years old.
24:39Kirk wasn't an explosive player when he was at his physical peak.
24:42And so when you're watching him, you just, you feel that lack of oomph with what he can bring to the position.
24:48And I think ultimately that's going to lower the ceiling for what this team can be on offense, but the floor and
24:54what they're trying to do and what the combination of like Bowers and Gentry give you and what Kubiak is doing as
25:00a play caller is so, so much higher than it was for this team last year.
25:04And I think exactly what you were signing up for when you made this hire and when you decided you wanted to be this team.
25:11Yeah. That's the thing. You can clearly see the vision for it.
25:14One last thing I do want to note for this game specifically, Ashton Gentry was really bad in pass pro last week
25:20against the Saints and you run up against Spags, man.
25:23He's, he's going to test you on it. And I do think, I do wonder like how many times they really try
25:29to stick him up in pass pro and see how that's going to work out for them.
25:34All right, let's get to our other game of the week.
25:37Broncos at Niners. Wanted to mostly focus on the Niners offense against the Broncos defense in this game.
25:41I think that's the more interesting single matchup. And then just to talk about what the Niners offense has done so far
25:47this year, I tweeted this stat out earlier today that you can mention a million of them for the Niners.
25:53The Niners have created a first down on like 54 and a half percent of their non play action passes this year.
25:59The team that's in second place is the bills.
26:01They're at 41. The gap between the Niners and the bills at one and two is bigger than the gap between the bills and Titans in 22nd place.
26:09That's crazy. You are like a full, like standard deviation better than everybody else.
26:13It's been absolutely ridiculous. Like I actually, I went back and I watched and we can talk about some of the specifics of it.
26:19I thought that the Cardinals game plan last week against them was really good and really interesting.
26:24The Cardinals last week per next gen played less single high against the Niners than any team has played in the last five years.
26:30And what happened is that they did a great job of taking away some of those middle of the field chunks that
26:36the Niners really like to seek out the first big hit that Mike Evans took.
26:40They're trying to throw an in breaker to Mike Evans and that backside safety in quarters is just sitting on it, waiting for it.
26:47And so they played a ton of quarters, a ton of cover six, a ton of cloud.
26:51And they're like, we are not going to let you get these chunks down the field.
26:56We know that's what you want to do. And so the Niners passing game in the first half had more fits and starts than normal.
27:02So they come out in the second half and they're just like, all right, fine.
27:06If you want to do this, we're going to run the ball down your throat.
27:11And if you want to sit in quarters and leave the linebackers like in underneath coverage, a little bit vulnerable, we have
27:17George Kittle and Kyle Shanahan and Brock Purdy. And so they are right now, and I know they've played against the Dolphins
27:22and the Niners and the Rams in a weird game in Australia, but you just felt over the course of that game,
27:28how based on the coaching, based on the personnel, whatever avenue you force them down offensively, they're going to be comfortable exploring that avenue and living that way.
27:36And there just aren't that many offenses in the league that to me feel that flexible in any given moment.
27:41It might be the most flexible a Kyle Shanahan offense has ever felt.
27:45Like, I think even when they've been at their best, it usually has been like a very particular way that they are doing it.
27:512023 is probably the other example where they started to do more of the drop back stuff like this with Brock Purdy,
27:57obviously really weaponizing CMC in a different way. This feels like they have gotten back to that level where they really can do a little bit of everything.
28:05And I would even say, even though they were doing more of the drop back stuff in 2023 than they ever really
28:11did with Jimmy, Purdy was not as good at it as he is now.
28:15I think, like, I think the way that he sees it, the way that he throws it, I think is, is better.
28:21And so even if he has some other issues, like I do think in this game, like, because they were doing such
28:27a good job of like robbing some stuff out of the too high stuff, like he probably should have thrown a couple of picks.
28:33I do think that what he's doing underneath with how they can run the ball.
28:37And the other thing is like, he did almost have those couple of picks, but like, you need to test down the
28:43field five, six, seven times, whatever it's going to be in this offense to allow the underneath and run game stuff to work.
28:49Because when it does, they just punch you in the face for like a 70% success rate and march down the field.
28:55I don't mind that. If he's got a couple of those, that's what I'm saying.
28:59He's got a few of those. Like, I would rather see him play that way and have it be a little bit
29:05more on the razor's edge than watching them just get clamped down with teams playing a bunch of quarters against them all
29:11the time and just eating everything up underneath. And the way that they felt last year when they played the Seahawks, you're
29:17going to have to push the ball down the field in order to reach your ceiling as an offense.
29:23And I don't mind him being a little bit aggressive.
29:25And I'm with you. I've landed in a place with Purdy where he, this is a fan.
29:30We talked a lot about quarterback situation on the midweek show.
29:33I think there are people who were a little bit frustrated that we didn't talk about Brock Purdy.
29:38And I think the place that I land with Brock Purdy is Brock Purdy has been in a great situation since he entered into the NFL.
29:45Like he has Kyle Shanahan, even if there have been some injuries, the fact that Kyle Shanahan is there.
29:50I said the Niners had the third best quarterback supporting cast in the NFC coming into the season.
29:55And I think people push back on that because the injury concerns and everything else go watch with the offenses.
30:00The offense is incredibly well-designed. It is meticulously put together, but at the same time, you have a quarterback that is perfectly
30:06suited to get the most out of it. He is so, so good at being the maestro of this thing because of
30:12how fast he reads stuff out, how efficient he is in reading that stuff out.
30:16And he can do so much off schedule. Like there are not that many quarterbacks in the league right now that I
30:22think could be doing a better job with the Niners offense than Brock Purdy is doing.
30:26If you put him in average circumstances in somebody else's offense, I don't know what it would look like, but I think
30:32the list of guys who could do what he is doing in the Niners offense right now is very, very short.
30:38I agree. Like the way that they are, the particular way that they are trying to play football.
30:43And also, we're never going to have to see Brock Purdy anywhere else anyway.
30:47Like so long as him and as long as Kyle Shanahan is in town and unless he gets a bunch of injuries,
30:53like it's probably going to be here for the next six, seven, eight years, whatever it's going to be.
30:58And so he is the perfect quarterback for what they want to do right now.
31:02Like the way that the offense is functioning with all the drop back stuff, really attacking teams underneath.
31:07I do think that he's been very, very good at it.
31:10And like Kyle Shanahan, it's funny because, and maybe this really was more product of Jimmy Garoppolo or past quarterbacks that he's had before.
31:16But like six or seven years ago, I remember being like, man, Shanahan is one of the best at it, but the
31:22pure past stuff is just like not his best realm.
31:25And ever since he's gotten CMC, it's, they've been like the best in the league at being able to scheme up that sort of stuff.
31:32That to me is what's really impressed me about him as a play caller and a play designer over the last few years.
31:38And it really did start in 2023. Like you said, like when Purdy came into the lineup and they were able to
31:44do more of the pure progression drop back stuff.
31:46And CMC also was a huge part of it.
31:49Like McCaffrey changed the identity of the offense. It was a combination of McCaffrey as a receiver and the strengths of the
31:55quarterback relative to the other guys that they had had transform what the offense felt like.
31:59And it makes them to me more resilient situationally than even a team like the Rams.
32:03Like we talked about this, like what McVay and that group in pure past situations on third and medium, third and long,
32:09just don't have as many answers as a team like this does.
32:13Like they're when they're, it's when it's third and seven, they're not worried.
32:16When it's third and seven, they're not concerned. They've got answers in those situations.
32:20And that wasn't always the case when the Niners were an under center play action team.
32:24They're an under center team, but they are a drop back team now in a way that they didn't used to be.
32:30And in a way that has drifted away from a lot of the other Shanahan Kubiak guys that still do rely on
32:36that as like a baseline for who they want to be on early downs.
32:40And again, some of this is quarterback driven to like Jimmy Garoppolo from even or behind was just not going to bail you out of games.
32:47And like pretty is not into Josh Allen tear or whatever, but like he can do some shit when he has to
32:53like on a third down scramble and stuff, even if the Niners offense is wrong in the call in the play that they call.
33:00He could get a 50 yard scramble in his last game.
33:03I don't remember if it was on a third down, but got called back for some sort of like late holding, like
33:09halfway down the field that he like was already 20 yards down the field by the time it happened.
33:14Like he, he does have that gear to him.
33:16I just think overall, like this offense was great in 2023.
33:19I just feel like he's better than he was then.
33:22Like the numbers were incredible then, but I think he is doing more lifting in why the offense feels great than it
33:28was that again, it's some of the pushing the ball down the field, the off schedule stuff, whatever, like it, he will, it'll tail off.
33:35I'm sure when they play a better competition, they won't average 0.6 EPA per drop back or whatever it is that they're averaging now.
33:41But Brock Purdy is playing at an MVP level.
33:43And if they continue to do this and he just has this sort of season all the way through, he would be
33:49a worthwhile MVP in a way that I think would have been a little bit harder to argue with the quality of
33:55player he was three years ago, which is understandable.
33:58It was his second year in the NFL was his second year as a starter.
34:02Yeah. Most guys are not going to win MVP in their second.
34:05It's happened, you know, it's happened more recently than, you know, history would suggest, but most of those guys are not going to do that.
34:12And that's okay. What do you think all of this means against the Broncos?
34:16Because the way, when I will go back and watch that Cardinals game, and I even think about the way the Niners
34:22attack the Rams in week one, attacking those Broncos linebackers in space is the way that you probably should build your passing approach.
34:28And I'm not sure there's a team better equipped to play that way right now than the San Francisco 49ers.
34:33I think that they're going to kind of be able to do what they want on offense for a number of different reasons.
34:40Like I think the Broncos, we always think of the Broncos as a man coverage team and they are.
34:45Their zone coverage stuff is good, but they are still a team that wants to be able to man coverage on you.
34:51Sertan's going to follow your best guy. McMillan's going to be able to run across the slot and cover you and stuff like that.
34:57You can't do that against the Niners generally, especially not with these linebackers.
35:01I think Justin Strenant has been a little bit better than previous seasons in coverage.
35:05Still a guy that against somebody like a George Kittle, like a CMC, going to be very gettable.
35:10And so I fear the Broncos are not going to be able to do as much of the stuff that they want.
35:16The other thing that we talked about, you know, you talked about the Niners being able to stay out of those third and seven situations in general.
35:23Like they just are having an ability to kind of run the ball and stay on pace and stuff like that.
35:29Broncos have not been a very good run defense team for a lot of this season, actually.
35:33Part of that is just, you know, some of the teams they've played.
35:37Some of it is some of the, you know, losing guys like John Franklin Myers and stuff like that.
35:42I do think against the Niners, the way that they want to run the ball, which is we are going to create
35:48leverage and double teams on the outside. That's what you should do against the Broncos who don't have very big edge players.
35:54And so I think their ability to do that is going to be really good.
35:58So this feels like a game where the Broncos defense is really good.
36:01They've got some guys who can make plays. The Niners feel like the exact offense to get them out of their rhythm
36:07and play the game that they want in a way that the Rams were not quite as equipped to do, obviously, as
36:13we saw towards the end of that game. Yeah, I just think the Ram, the Niners right now are more complete offense
36:19when the Rams can play the game on their terms.
36:22They're still incredibly dangerous. But like we said, I just think their Niners are more well-rounded now because of all the different ways they can attack you.
36:29The only the last thing I wanted to ask, what's our situation with Mike Evans?
36:33Is Mike Evans, do we think Mike Evans is playing?
36:36I think we think Mike Evans is playing. Yes.
36:39Okay. All right. That's good because I'm looking at the injury report here and he's the offensive lead, which is what we're sitting here talking about.
36:46He's really the only guy that we're talking and that we're thinking about.
36:49And then Trent Williams is good. Trent Williams is good.
36:52Okay. All right. Well, that's good news after the way the last weekend.
36:55All right. Let's take our first quick break and then come back and hit one thing from three more of these week four games.
37:02Start with the Jaguars at the Bengals. This one's on me.
37:05I'm watching the Bengals offense against the Jags defense.
37:07That's the thing I'm most interested in this in this game.
37:10The Bengals offense so far, we alluded to it a little bit earlier on the show, but hasn't been the smoothest operation
37:16with this transition to the under center world so far this year for the Bengals offense right now.
37:21They are if you're looking at just the numbers, they're bottom five and under center rate at 30 percent, but that's almost
37:27double what they were last year that the fact that they're down near the bottom of the league is in part a
37:33product of the fact that league wide, we've had a seven percentage point jump in under center usage over the first three
37:39weeks compared to what last year looked like out of those looks so far.
37:43The run game has been solid. They've been more efficient running the ball out of under from under center than they have
37:49been out of the gun, but the passing game just hasn't been very good.
37:53They're 31st in passing success rate from under center so far this year.
37:56Only the Eagles have been worse and I get why they wanted to try to do this.
38:01I understood every bit of the rationale, the motivation.
38:03We want to be able to be a little bit more explosive.
38:06We want to be able to run the ball on our terms.
38:10I do think in the long run that second part is worth hanging on to over the course of the year, but
38:16the under center play action passing part of this so far, I think the benefits you're trying to find don't outweigh the drawbacks.
38:22Like when I watched them do this stuff, Joe Burrow just doesn't feel like the best version of himself when he's trying to do these things.
38:29And I think that you can make an argument, which we can talk about.
38:33They wanted to do this because they want to be more explosive.
38:36The two explosives they hit in the Steelers game, one was just a go ball to T Higgins.
38:41And then the second was a back shoulder ball to Jamar.
38:44I'm like, I think it was fourth down. It was fourth and two.
38:47They had a bat. It was against cover three.
38:50It's one-on-one to back shoulder ball. That ball doesn't get thrown with that timing.
38:53If Joe Burrow is turning his back to the defense.
38:56And so I think it's a combination of him being able to play with that sort of timing.
39:01You're getting more guys out and routes out of this, the gun stuff compared to what you're trying to do with two
39:07and three man concepts from under center. And so even if I get what they were trying to do, it's been rocky enough.
39:13And I think you feel the difference enough that maybe straying away from this as much as you can while maintaining the run game benefits.
39:20If you can do that, I think might be worthwhile for the Bengals.
39:24This was kind of what I feared for them.
39:26And it's funny because for years I had said, man, they need to get more under center.
39:31They need to be able to run the ball on their terms.
39:34They need to be able to do all this stuff because in my mind, in a perfect world, if we're kind of
39:40removing the exact players from the equation, I do think that's the best way to run an offense where you can get under center.
39:46You can get into different personnel packages and have a little bit of an answer for everything.
39:51It's a little bit of what we're talking about with the 49ers just now.
39:55And the Chiefs. And the Chiefs. Yes, exactly. I think we have come to a point with Joe Burrow where it's very
40:01obvious he's good at certain things and he's just not good or comfortable at other things, which is the getting under center,
40:07throwing over the middle of the field with his back turned.
40:10Like when they do the play action under center stuff, it's either immediately throw the shot, the alert, whatever it is, or check down to the flat.
40:17He's not, they're not calling or throwing any of the over the middle of the field stuff because I just don't know
40:23that he is that comfortable with it. And so I do kind of he or Zach Taylor, whoever, they should almost accept
40:29their fate as like being the mid 2010s Pittsburgh Steelers where it's Ben Roethlisberger is going to be in gun.
40:34He's going to have Antonio Brown and whatever other secondary random third round receiver is playing really well for them at a given time.
40:41And they're just going to kind of spread and shred that way and be as good as they can be in that realm.
40:47And I do think that that probably limits you from being the best offense in the NFL, but it pretty reliably gets
40:53them to top eight, which for them I think is probably enough.
40:56Yeah. I mean, they are most teams in the NFL do have to try to manufacture explosive plays living in the environment that we do now, right?
41:04If you're going to have play against all these teams that play a bunch of shell and try to take those explosives
41:10away, you do have to manufacture them. The Bengals don't really have to manufacture those plays.
41:14They, they weren't an explosive passing offense. If you look at just the overall numbers in previous years, but we were talking
41:20about this a little bit before we started recording there's they throw the ball so much that even if the explosive play
41:26rate isn't similar to a team like, like Seattle last year, Seattle's explosive pass rate last year was extremely high.
41:31They didn't throw the ball very often. And so if you actually stack up the number of explosive plays over the course
41:37of the season, I still think the Bengals are probably going to get enough of them over any given game, even playing
41:43the way they do, you're going to have enough one-on-one opportunities down the field to those guys that you can hit three,
41:49four explosive plays over the course of a game.
41:52When you combine those haymaker shots with how efficient the passing game can be because of the quarterback and how they're playing.
41:57I think that's an okay formula. Like, I think ultimately that's an okay place to land, even if it wasn't the vision for the offense coming in.
42:05Yeah. I do wonder now it's funny. Cause again, I said like, they need to commit to it.
42:10They need to commit to it. I, and maybe it can still get better over the course of the year, but I
42:16just think with me, because we've seen them kind of dabble in this so many times before, and it's just never looked
42:22like the best way for the offense to function kind of just feels like, all right, let's just screw it.
42:27Let's just go back to the way we play.
42:29Let's chuck it. I mean, we're talking about the last game where they're just throwing it up the, the ball where Jamar Chase catches it over Derek Stingley.
42:37He's not open. He's never open. And it doesn't matter because you can just kind of do that.
42:42And so I think you're right that like them really crafting the offense to be as efficient as possible, remain ahead of the sticks, let Burrow see stuff.
42:50And then just three times a game, like screw it.
42:52That guy's going to make a play. It's, you would want better options than that.
42:56You would want better answers, but that's still a plenty fine way to go about it.
43:01Looking at the Jags defense part of this game, it's been a kind of a strange season.
43:05And when you look at like the efficiency numbers situationally for the Jags, they're actually bottom 10 and past defense success rate so far this year.
43:12But there are two things that have really lifted them on that side.
43:16They have four interceptions through three games. So again, they're getting turnovers.
43:19And the other thing is they lead the league in EPA per drop back on third down.
43:24And a lot of that is driven by how they're playing on third down.
43:27So they're playing man coverage at the second highest rate in the NFL.
43:31The Jaguars are on third down. Only the Rams have a higher man coverage rate on third down.
43:36So teams are eight of 20 throwing the ball against the Jags on third down so far this year.
43:41They're three of 11 when the Jags play man coverage.
43:44And they're only blitzing on like a third of those third down plays.
43:47So the man rate is the second highest in the league, but the blitz rate is like closer to average, a little bit below average.
43:54And what's really stood out is the way they're playing man coverage and just how they're passing things off.
43:59They know where their help is. That to me is what's felt the most different about this team this year is that
44:05what really stood out last year is on third down, their cover zero, their blitz type of stuff was really impressive.
44:11And then they felt like a really good zone coverage team.
44:14How buttoned up they've been in man has been really, really notable.
44:17And so I, that it stuck out from the first time I watched them against the Browns, like some of the things
44:23they were doing, passing this stuff off, and they've just continued to do it over their first three games.
44:28And I'm glad you bring up the communication because that is like the secret sauce actually to a lot of the best
44:34man coverage teams is how they pass stuff off.
44:37And, you know, they pass stuff off to the rat or to the robber or to the single high safety, depending on
44:43just how they end up wanting to play and let that corner fall off and replace them.
44:47When you look at previous versions of the Patriots, when they were at their best at man coverage stuff, that's, that has
44:53been the, that's what it reminds me of. Yes.
44:56Because the Patriots didn't blitz a ton when they played man.
44:59No, they did a lot of this stuff where it's a rat, it's a robber.
45:03We know exactly how to pass stuff, like where those zone coverage defenders are in the middle and how to use them to our advantage.
45:09That's the exact team I was thinking about when I was watching them play with those Patriots teams.
45:14And to me, the other recent example, the best version of the lions defense with Aaron Glenn, those guys were so, so
45:20good at passing off bunches and just making sure that they're communicating who's taking who the safety's driving down on stuff.
45:26And that's like, you do need corners who can just run with people and play man-to-man coverage.
45:30And the Jags guys are good enough at that, but it really is the communication in the defense guys, trusting that stuff is going to get picked up.
45:38Cause that's the other thing too. It's communicating is one thing.
45:41There's a clear trust in the defense that if I let this go, somebody is going to get it.
45:46And you can see in some other defenses, whether it's new systems, teams that are just not as good, they struggle.
45:52You end up with two guys in the same spot a lot of times because they're not confident that whatever they're passing
45:58off is going to go to the next guy.
46:00You just don't see as much of that with the Jags defense.
46:04And I think an important personnel tweak that we've seen from them as they've really leaned into some of this stuff, they
46:10were trying to figure out the cornerback rotation early in the season.
46:13Remember Travis Hunter didn't get a ton of snaps against the Broncos.
46:16And, but last week it felt like they had decided that Monteric Brown is going to kind of be the odd man out.
46:22He still plays, right? They still have a deep defensive back rotation, but right now they're two top outside corners or Travis Hunter and Jerry and Jones.
46:30And I think that makes sense. If you want to be doing a little bit more of this stuff, I agree.
46:35Cause like Monteric Brown is such a funny player.
46:38Like last year, he was awesome. Like, like for given a guy who would like, you know, late round pick had not played a ton in his career.
46:45He was awesome. Justifiably got paid justifiably justify. He earned that contract, but it's also one of those things where those guys
46:51who are not super talented, they are late round picks are often winning in particular ways.
46:56And with the Jags last year, like you were talking about, it's a lot of zone coverage.
47:00It's a lot of being able to communicate and pass stuff off.
47:03It's a lot of playing with zone eyes. He's really good at that.
47:07He is not quite as athletic and like smooth in the hips as some of these other guys to play as much one-on-one coverage, especially on the outside.
47:15So it makes more sense that you have Jerry and Jones, who I think is a little bit better than that.
47:20And then the corner that you spent the number to overall pick on who has truly special movement skills, like the way
47:26that he can just whip his head around and close on stuff is, is phenomenal.
47:30And so I do wonder too, like, this is the other reason I want them to just play more of Travis Hunter
47:36at corner for God's sakes and just let him be a defender.
47:39If so much of your defense is going to be about communication and being in the right spots and passing stuff off,
47:45give him the reps to do that. And so we don't have to worry about this by the time we get to January.
47:52Bring it all back around why I think the man coverage stuff is worth pointing out.
47:56So far this season, teams have played man 17.7% of the time against the Bengals, which is like a bottom six rate.
48:02The Bengals have a 65% success rate against man coverage.
48:05They're averaging 10.7 yards per play. So something's got to give something's got to give in this one.
48:10And I'm curious what it is. All right, let's get to our next one here.
48:14Rams at Eagles. This one's all you, buddy. What do you got for me?
48:17Yeah, we're going to stick on another offense where, you know, they're trying to go through that similar formation of we're trying to be more under center.
48:25We're trying to run the ball a little bit different, do all this play action stuff.
48:29I think they make for a funny matchup against this Rams defense where I think in theory, what you would want to
48:35do from a passing game perspective against this Rams defense is to throw over the middle, attack these linebackers, all that stuff.
48:41Eagles have not yet proven to me that they're willing to do that.
48:45They did it a little bit more in the Titans game.
48:47I think last week they were completely unwilling to do that.
48:50And so if we're still going to live in that world with the passing game, okay, then the run game needs to be something.
48:57And we saw some signs of life last week from them, especially in the first half where the wide zone stuff they
49:03wanted to do, some of the weak zone stuff they wanted to do, they were able to get it to pop because
49:09they were able to get movement on some of the edge players.
49:12I think against the Rams, that's harder to do.
49:15I do think that these guys are, you know, whether it's Josiah Stewart, Byron Young, I know they don't have Miles Garrett,
49:21but all these other depth pieces that they have are good guys who can hold up on the edge, give linebackers, give
49:27the nickel, give the safety's time to come up and fit and not give you those explosives.
49:31And so I think they can get the Eagles into enough third and fives, third and sixes, third and sevens, where it becomes a passing down.
49:38And I just do not trust this Eagles passing offense right now to handle a Rams passing defense that has been really good.
49:44Obviously week one was disgusting, but like Trent McDuffie has been awesome and can run with people in man to man.
49:50They've been playing more man to man. Quentin Lake has looked way better than he looked in week one.
49:55I know that they're going to be without Watson this week, but their depth corners, I actually think are like pretty, pretty
50:01good, like better than a lot of other teams.
50:04And so this to me just feels like all of this stuff the Eagles want to be or have struggled to, to morph into.
50:10It's a bad matchup, I think against this Rams defense.
50:13What's going to be funny because last year, I remember AJ Brown just bullied those smaller corners on the Rams.
50:18And while Emmanuel Forbes is probably going to have to play in this game on the outside again, right?
50:23But AJ Brown isn't here and Devante Smith is a little bit banged up, correct?
50:27He is. He, I don't think he practiced today as a practice Wednesday, no practice report yet for, as we record this on Thursday, but no practice Wednesday.
50:35It's you look at it size wise and I could make a joke about how that's actually a fair fight between Devante Smith and Emmanuel Forbes.
50:42But then you look at Devante Smith who also just regularly dunks on people.
50:46He shouldn't be able to outside the numbers. And I'm not, I'm not ready to make that joke.
50:51Like there's absolutely still a chance that if they want to play that way against Emmanuel Forbes, even Devante Smith at that size can still do it.
50:58There we go, Zach Berman, no sign of Devante Smith yet at practice.
51:02And today is Thursday? Yes. Okay. And so, but even if it's tough, that's what the passing game has been so far.
51:08It's been all Devante. And if it's going to be even a limited Devante Smith, the way Trent McDuffie is playing right
51:14now and how willing they're letting him just run and match with people, play them in the slot if he's got to,
51:20they did that a lot with Jalen Waddle last week and just had McDuffie follow.
51:24Like they would do that, I imagine, against Devante Smith.
51:26And, you know, I think people too would make the thing of like, well, the Eagles dunked all over Trent McDuffie's Chiefs in the Superbowl.
51:33And it's like, well, yeah, that was AJ Brown.
51:36That was not on, that was not mostly Devante Smith.
51:38And so I do think again, this for a lot of different reasons is a very good matchup for Rams defense.
51:44Get to our last one here. Cowboys at Texans.
51:46We're going to spend some time with the Cowboys offense against the Texans defense, but obviously some huge news last night, Joey Porter Jr.
51:53headed to Dallas for a 2028 second round pick.
51:55And then some other, it wasn't like a six round pick next year.
51:59I'm not really worried about that one, which I think was also that pick had been involved in the Cowboys trade for George Pickens.
52:05So I always love when it reminds me of like the Bears bills trades over the last five years, where all the
52:11same picks got shipped back and forth five times.
52:14We're getting to that point with the Cowboys and the Steelers, your initial thoughts about how Joey Porter Jr.
52:19fits into this defense and what it potentially means for Dallas.
52:22I mean, my first thought actually was, it didn't take as much to get him as I thought it was going to.
52:28And maybe that's just because we're now at the point where, you know, if you trade for him in July, it's like,
52:34well, he's going to get a full off season with our team, all this stuff.
52:38He's going to be able to learn the defense very quickly, all that stuff.
52:42And so there's a little bit more incentive to like, I think teams would be willing to ask for more.
52:47I think now that we're a spot with the Steelers where we're a few weeks into the season, the Cowboys are not
52:53necessarily going to get the best from him immediately.
52:55The price came down a little bit and I thought it was actually a fair price for him.
53:00I worry a little bit about if he's going to ask for the same contract as like Christian Gonzalez.
53:05I don't know if he's necessarily worth that, but he's a much better corner than they've had.
53:10And I do think that having a guy who can play a little bit of one-on-one on the boundary, you know, or
53:16on the sideline, they're not a huge man cover team, but the quarter side of all the stuff that they're doing becomes man coverage.
53:23It's all of what they were doing. It's exactly what they did with Quenyon Mitchell in Philadelphia.
53:27It's the same stuff. And it's a lot of, even what like Vic Fangio had been doing way back in the day
53:33with like Prince of Mookamera, just have like a guy who like when it becomes quarters, he's just playing a lot of
53:39man coverage or what becomes match man coverage. And I do think that Porter is going to be good at that.
53:45And so it was funny. Someone actually asked me earlier, I think it was yesterday before the trade.
53:50They were like, if you could trade for any defender for you, not any defender, but it was like Jordan Brooks or Joey Porter Jr.
53:56And I'm like, in my mind, I, you know, I don't know if the dolphins were going to move off of Brooks,
54:02but in my mind, Brooks solves more problems. I do still think Porter does a lot for this defensive for the secondary.
54:08Yeah. I think that Brooks solves arguably a worse problem in the sense that I think linebacker is still the area of this defense.
54:15I feel the, feel the most scared of, but I, I think you can make an argument that by bringing in Joey
54:21Porter, you can solve more problems because I think that it allows you to patch maybe two holes at once.
54:26One, it allows you to just change the way you can tilt coverage potentially.
54:30And that gets the most out of more of your DBs and more of your secondary.
54:34But also I'm just curious what sort of shuffling this could potentially mean.
54:38If you have Joey Porter Jr. outside in one spot, and I know they're not healthy right now, but just let's just
54:44play this out for when guys get back and you want to move maybe Kobe Durant inside, or you want to move to Ron bland inside.
54:51And that potentially can bring Caleb downs back and have him play safety.
54:54Even now, even when Durant is hurt, if you want to put bland inside, you want to put Ravel outside, you want
55:00to put Kobe Durant back at safety while Jalen Thompson's hurt.
55:03I honestly think this allows you to potentially get better at multiple positions.
55:07And when you look at how banged up the Cowboys defense and secondary is right now, the chance to get better and
55:13upgrade at multiple positions is absolutely huge. Given the current state of this thing.
55:17I actually think that's a good argument because to me, the reason I would want to fix, or I would have preferred
55:23Jordan Brooks is he fixes the spine of the defense and the spine of this defense sucks right now.
55:28But if you are moving Caleb downs to safety where I think he's a better and like more natural player at safety,
55:34I think he's been fine at the nickel and he's done some decent stuff there.
55:38But in my mind, I think we've seen a lot of teams now going to these more, you know, the six foot,
55:44200 pound plus nickel bodies and trying to be like a guy who can defend the run a little bit and we
55:50can do all this stuff with him and on and yada yada yada.
55:53I don't think you really get the full value out of that sort of player unless you are using them aggressively unless
55:59you're firing them like the Steelers with Jalen Ramsey, the Ravens with Kyle Hamilton, the Chargers with Derwin James, unless you're like weaponizing them.
56:06I just don't think you get as much value out of that.
56:09So why not have downs back at what is a more natural position for him?
56:13And plus to when downs and Thompson are the two safeties, I think you can ask them to do more rather than
56:19Thompson and whoever else that just feels you feel a little bit more static or just hoping the other guy doesn't make you wrong.
56:25Basically, by the way, I agree with everything you're saying.
56:28And by the way, my like, oh, this will fix multiple problems.
56:31And this is why I will work. And this is why I was worth doing.
56:35This is just insane. Cope for me. I just want to call that out in the moment.
56:40Like I'm having to believe in this because I've been given no other choice.
56:44It will be better. It's a matter of like, are they are they actually getting this to average or are they getting
56:50it to 22nd because it was going to be 27th?
56:53I don't think you understand, Derek, that this is going to solve everything about what's going wrong with the defense.
56:58This is the this is the magic bullet. This is the only thing they needed.
57:02Let's actually talk about the part of this game that we wanted to focus on.
57:06And that's the Cowboys offense against the Texans defense.
57:09The number one thing you are watching with that matchup in this game is what?
57:13I want to start by saying that Dave was 100 percent correct, that we were maybe a tad overreactive to the Texans
57:19defense and just what it was going to mean for their team.
57:22Like I watched back the Colts game. They were way better than it felt in real time.
57:26And we didn't think they were bad, obviously, but I like they really did feel more dominant for a lot of that game that I gave credit for.
57:34And I think there are a couple of interesting matchup things for this game.
57:38One, the Cowboys offensive line and run game has been pretty good.
57:41And I think T.J. Bass is actually even in this last game was better than I would have thought based on even
57:47his first couple of weeks of play. But there are a couple of plays where the tackles just don't got it.
57:53And really a lot, even some of their tight ends, especially when they're in 11 personnel and it's Jake Ferguson, just don't have it against these edges.
58:00They're going to make you wrong in the run game.
58:03Like there was even a play early on in the second quarter against the Ravens where they have the tight end and
58:09the running back to the same side. It's like a third and short.
58:12They're trying to run inside zone. Mike Green is so fast across the tight ends face.
58:17They just lose in the plays over. You know who's going to do that to you?
58:21Daniil Hunter and Will Anderson, like consistently every time.
58:23And so I do worry about their ability to win in some of those, I think, short yardage areas.
58:28The other thing to me, and I want to talk about this a little bit.
58:33The Cowboys offense has obviously been really, really good this season.
58:36I think that what they're trying to do in the passing game is really good.
58:40The run game has come along and it's had its moments.
58:43I feel like Dak is a little bit stiffer and less precise as a passer than he has been in years past.
58:49And I do think against the Texans defense like this, that that not being as perfect and on your P's and Q's
58:55is going to be a little bit of an issue.
58:57What, where have you seen that most? Like what types of throws make you say that?
59:02I just think some of the accuracy sometimes outside of the numbers has been a little bit, I think in general, when
59:08he's throwing the 10 to 20 yard area, he's throwing high a lot.
59:11And he's always kind of been that way where he's a little bit willing to just like let guys go up and get it.
59:18But I feel like it's been a little bit more pronounced this year.
59:21Maybe that's like all in my head and I'm like making it up.
59:25But I just felt like, especially in that Ravens game, he's throwing a little bit higher, really making guys go up for it.
59:31There was even an outbreaker against CD or to CD lamb against the Ravens where he's trying to throw it to the right side.
59:37And he leaves it so high instead of like really throwing it on a line to the sideline and letting your player
59:43come back and run to it, that it kind of disrupts CD's timing.
59:47And he like goes up for it in a weird way and isn't able to bring it down.
59:52And so they're obviously still really, really good. I think that they're going to give the Texans some troubles in this game
59:58and they can be explosive down the field still.
60:00I just feel like there are one or two throws a game where I'm like, I feel like at his best, Dak Prescott makes that throw more consistently.
60:08And those intermediate throws and that's the area when I watched the Texas, down to down, they were excellent.
60:13It just there was the fact that the Colts were able to access that area of the field between the second and
60:19third level over the middle of the field four or five times over the course of that game.
60:24You just don't typically see that. And a couple of those plays, Kalen Bullock literally slips, which is the reason that that happened.
60:30I don't expect it to happen over and over and over again, but it's just an area we don't typically see teams able to access against the Texans.
60:37And so I wonder, can the Cowboys do that?
60:40Because, and the other part, going back and watching the Cowboys game specifically from last week, the Cowboys are able to do
60:46a lot of stuff on like deep hook routes, deep comebacks, where the physicality of those receivers, you can just pin it on them.
60:52CD and Pickens can play that way against the Texans.
60:55Those plays would feel like non-starters to me. Like, I think that you have to be attacking the area between the linebackers
61:01and the safeties, or you have to be attacking them over the top.
61:05Like some of the things the Cowboys can typically lean on in those like underneath options to their guys, because their matchup
61:11advantages, they are not really matchup advantages in this game.
61:13And so that's like the one thing they were able to do against Baltimore that I just don't know if they're going
61:19to be able to do in this one. I totally agree with that.
61:23Like if, if you could hit, you know, five or six of those plays on an average defense, I think you only
61:29hit two of them against the Texans where you're just like trying to pit it on the guy and make that work that way.
61:35The other thing that, and this goes back to what you're talking about.
61:39I, to me, I feel like the safeties are not driving on stuff as fast as they have previously in this defense.
61:45They're giving up a lot of air. That's what feels the most different about this.
61:49At like Reed Blankenship is not as good as it Bullock, I think has not been great at it.
61:54Because honestly, what's funny when you watch this defense in cover three single high, they are still phenomenal.
61:59They are still insane when they are in cover three, which that's their bread and butter.
62:03When they have been in some of these quarters and other two high stuff, I think you're seeing the safeties not drive on stuff.
62:10And why I think that's interesting with the Cowboys specifically, they play a lot of two by two, like two by two,
62:1611 personnel guns, spread it out a little bit.
62:18That's where you can start to try to get those routes where we're running up the seam or we're running a dig
62:24that's going to, you know, the safety is going to have to go drive on.
62:28I do wonder how many of those throws, those types of intermediate throws the Cowboys can make.
62:33Cause like you said, the deep stop route on the numbers where Stingley or Lasseter can drive on it.
62:38I don't know, man, that, that doesn't seem like you're going to complete many of those, but if you're running into the
62:44middle, to the hashes and the safety's got to come down those throws, I do think that you can get some more of against this team.
62:51That's exactly it. And I was talking to somebody who covers the Texans and talks about and thinks about this team all the time.
62:57They literally talk about that area in the middle of the field, they called the kill zone.
63:02That's what the Texas defense calls that. And like, it has not been quite as deadly this year as it has been in years past.
63:09Like when we were talking about the Texans defense, that was it.
63:12It wasn't that the Texans defense is bad or disappointing.
63:15It was that there's one specific element of that game that just felt a little bit different than it usually does when you watch the Texans defense.
63:22And that might be a one week aberration, but you notice that difference.
63:26And I think it's for exactly what you're saying.
63:28Those safeties think about all of the kill shots that Kalen Bullock has dished out over the years, coming down and driving on some of that stuff.
63:35And it just felt a little bit different last week.
63:38That was it. It really did. And you know, again, what's funny too, like, I feel like Reed Blankenship is not, like
63:44I said, driving on some of that stuff. He's not seeing it as well, but when they go to some of the
63:50cover three stuff and he's just rolling down his sky support, he's backside run support, all that stuff.
63:55He's awesome. Like when you get him moving already by design forward, he's really good for them.
63:59Them having him sit, I think, flat footed and drive on stuff.
64:03He's just, it's just not, not yet as good as they want.
64:06I think I do still trust this coaching staff will get there eventually, but that area of the field, like you're saying
64:12it's more open than it usually has been for this defense.
64:15We'll see. It might not be this week. That might be a week.
64:18It might be a one week thing. You, you alluded to this.
64:22I am worried about the Terrence Steele versus Will Anderson part of this game.
64:25Dude, I am concerned. Watching, watching Will Anderson against the Colts.
64:28He is, there are, there are less than a handful of players like this in the league at a given time where,
64:34you know, he is a great player and you turn on the film and he does something where you're like, what the was that?
64:41He is an unbelievable player. Like the downs that he can win on, like there was, the Colts had a play where
64:47they had a tight end to his side on the line of scrimmage and they run first and 10 honor center play action.
64:53And he takes the tackle head on. And so the, the tight end is like, well, I don't need to chip him because he's not going outside.
65:00And so as soon as the tight end drops and it's like, I can get into the flat, Anderson hits the gas
65:06and he immediately strips sacks Daniel Jones. How many guys in the NFL can do that?
65:11Two, three? Like he is just, he's so absurd.
65:13He's an absurd player. I really do believe he might be the best player in the NFL.
65:18Like right now, like, you know, miles Garrett's hurt.
65:20And I think there's some miles Garrett. I was, I was going to say the exact same thing.
65:25I think right now he is pretty clearly the best defensive player in the league, like what he can do against the run.
65:31And then he had a, just like, it was just a quarterback hit at one point in the first half.
65:37I paused it at the top of his, like the top of his rush, the flexibility that we're seeing from him.
65:42Now that was one of the things people were worried about coming out.
65:46It's like, Oh, is he a little bit stiff?
65:48Is that ultimately going to affect his ceiling as a pass rusher?
65:52There is no ceiling. Like he is right now.
65:54He is playing at a level where with miles Garrett hurt.
65:57I don't even think it's a conversation about who the best defensive player in the league is.
66:02He's been ridiculous. Yeah. He, and like the, obviously I test, like I said, insane.
66:06And I had looked this up yesterday. He leads, this is all per next gen.
66:10He leads the NFL, uh, in quick pressures among non Vikings players.
66:13The Vikings are kind of cheesing with the way that they play.
66:16I had to, I had to include that. I think Cashman and, and, uh, and Dallas Turner were higher, but they're cheesing
66:22a little bit, but in terms of everybody else, he leads the league in quick pressures.
66:27He has, uh, 15 stops, which is like tackles that are negative EPA for the offense, which leads all defensive linemen.
66:32And in terms of pass rush, he's the only player in the NFL who has at least three sacks and his average
66:38time to sack is under four seconds. He gets there immediately and often, and he's the best run defender in the league.
66:44He's an unbelievable player. Absurd player. All right, let's take our next quick break and then package and come back and chat a little sicko street.
66:51We're a little bit different this week. I wanted to start sicko street with the biggest sicko in the NFL world, uh, that we found out about yesterday.
66:59We need to talk about Mike Tomlin's Minecraft situation.
67:01This is sicko street. He literally built sicko street in Minecraft over a 12 year period.
67:06He built sicko city. He put, yeah, he built the sicko metropolis is what he did.
67:10You've played Minecraft before. So I just want your, I have never played.
67:13And so this is all new to me, but I wanted to talk about it because I was just blown away by the entire thing yesterday.
67:20Every new thing I learned about Minecraft, every new detail I learned about what this must have taken blew my mind even more as somebody who has played.
67:28I just want you to walk me through what your impressions were of Mike Tomlin showing everybody this last night.
67:33I mean, and first of all, in terms of the work, this is hundreds, if not thousands of hours of, of sitting
67:39there and doing this and because it's not just, it's not just the finished product that takes a lot of time of
67:45like put getting all the right blocks, you know, all that stuff, making sure you're putting it down.
67:50You could clearly see that he was, there was a lot of trial and error.
67:54He's talking about this with his son planning. Yes.
67:57He was like, Oh, the lighting. And I had to figure this out.
68:00And then I had to learn to use this brick and all this, like that stuff takes trial and error and scrapping
68:06stuff that you did and going back and redoing it again.
68:09Him and his son were joking about like the water situation and figuring out how the stuff mechanically worked in the game.
68:15Because honestly, games like Minecraft and similar to it, where it's a building and stuff like that, the water mechanic is always
68:21just like how it flows and works is always like you have to do some trial and error.
68:26And so I just thought it was fascinating that it took that many hours.
68:30And I really, I think in a lot of ways, there is nothing in common with me and Mike Tomlin, like just
68:36the, how stoic he was as a football coach, like all of this stuff.
68:40But him being like, I don't watch a whole lot of TV.
68:43I love to play video games and just escape and get into this.
68:46And I was like, yes, that's exactly like what it is for somebody like me where I'm like, it's just, it's, you
68:52know, I think when we think of doing things with your hands, it's like building, it's workshopping, it's, you know, woodworking, all that stuff.
68:59But playing video games, like is you are doing something with your hands and making something or progressing your mind at doing something at a skill.
69:06And I think that Mike Tomlin, like taking whatever he gets out of that from football and like reapplying it to something that he said was therapeutic.
69:13I'm like, that's beautiful. I love that. Watching again, just the tone of the game, the music, what it looks like, the
69:19him talking about the lighting in the ballroom of the boutique hotel he made.
69:23If your brain works a certain way, I can completely understand how that would be incredibly soothing and calming and therapeutic at the end of a day.
69:30And when it comes to having like a weird hobby, I've spent so many hours thinking about watches and building a watch collection, like so many hours.
69:38There is no way I could sit in judgment of Mike Tomlin.
69:41I just found it a shocking piece of information in part because we've known this man and have heard from him and about him.
69:47And we think we kind of have an idea of who he is for like 20 years.
69:52And this just completely reframes like what we think we know about him.
69:55It's fascinating. I just could not imagine that this person that we've spent all of this time with can have this deep
70:01of a hobby and clearly just be capable of something that even people that are Minecraft people that do this all the time just find a staggering achievement.
70:09I was blown away by the entire thing. It's crazy.
70:12It really is a funny like you just don't know these guys as much as you think.
70:16And I do think the other part of it that to me was beautiful was that he it didn't seem like had
70:22ever really played many video games before or like sought this out himself or whatever.
70:26It was something that he found his kids really enjoyed.
70:29And he was like, I'm going to take the time to like watch them and all this stuff.
70:34And he realized like, oh, this is kind of interesting to me.
70:37And he took an interest in it with them.
70:40And I think that being able to do that and spend that kind of time while you have all the rigors of
70:46being an NFL head coach, that to me, I thought was like, it was really meaningful.
70:50And I thought that it was really beautiful that he was able to like find some avenue to really connect and have that sort of time.
70:57I thought that that was awesome. It's unlike any moment I can remember as somebody who pays attention to the league.
71:03The fact that collectively, like everyone who cares or thinks about the NFL was kind of on the internet yesterday watching Mike
71:09Tomlin show show this off and having this collective just mind blowing experience was very cool.
71:13I've truly never experienced anything like it as somebody who thinks and talks and focuses on the league pretty much every single hour of every single day.
71:20So it was amazing. Let's get to a more traditional sicko street place.
71:24Brian Flores is playing against the Dolphins this week.
71:26That's juicy enough on its own. The fact that this is his first game as a defensive coordinator going back and playing
71:32against Miami, considering how that thing ended. Now you're adding into it.
71:35The Vikings defense has looked like the scariest defense in football for the first three weeks.
71:40And the Dolphins, in a way that's not even their fault, don't really have a functioning NFL team right now.
71:45There's a chance this gets extremely ugly. I'm very worried that this gets ugly because, you know, obviously what's funny is that
71:51this is coming off of a game where I think last week was as ugly as it could possibly look for like any quarterback.
71:58Like obviously the way that Baker Mayfield played in that offense was terrible.
72:01I don't think that Miami is really any better equipped.
72:04Like their receiver talent is worse. And honestly, the passing offense is kind of to a point where when they get blitz
72:10or when they are kind of unsure of what they want to do, it's a lot of like, Hey man, we're just
72:16going to chuck it down the field. And I have kind of said that like the way to beat this defense is
72:22often to do that, but you do need the guys for it.
72:25And you need the receivers who can go and win those balls.
72:28You need a quarterback who I think sees it really well and really quickly.
72:32And I think Malik Willis has actually like not been terrible given obviously the horrible circumstance he's been put in, but I
72:38just don't think of him as that kind of this does feel like, especially to given some of the offensive line stuff
72:44that this feels like a game that could really get away from Miami very quickly.
72:48I mean, I think the line is like 10 and a half, which it should be.
72:52Yeah, it absolutely should be. And think about how much of a mismatch it has to be on one side of the
72:58ball to be a 10 and a half point line after watching the Vikings offense last week.
73:03Yeah, exactly. Just think about that. Because what is the line suggesting?
73:06The line is suggesting that the Vikings can win this game like 17 to three, which is like, I think probably a
73:12pretty reasonable way for this thing to end. Yeah, I did this one I think is set up to be pretty gross.
73:18Another one that's set up to be just as gross.
73:21The reeling Los Angeles Chargers are playing against the Seahawks, not just playing against the Seahawks, playing against the Seahawks coming off
73:27a loss with Julian Love coming back. So as ugly as Vikings Dolphins has a chance to be, I think this one might actually rival it.
73:34And this one feels uglier in the sense of like, like you said, we knew we knew the Dolphins were not supposed to be a good team.
73:41The Chargers thing is like train wreck hard to turn away from level where we thought that this was supposed to be a really good team.
73:48And now they are running into what is the hardest part of their schedule.
73:52And I think why this game in particular feels like it could be dangerous.
73:56The Seahawks, and you've always laid this out really well when we talk about them, their defense, it suffocates you and it
74:02bores you and it makes you do all the check down stuff, kind of throw over the middle of the field, take some of these stuff.
74:09They don't give you the deep, like really plays where you can go and make an explosive.
74:13The Chargers, I think a lot of their issue, especially in the passing games, get away with him.
74:18He starts pressing, he starts just chucking it down the field and pressing it into windows.
74:23He's not supposed to. Well, if you're now playing against the defense, that is the best that making you do that and getting that out of you.
74:30I worry how many negative plays we're going to get in this one.
74:33I just think it reminds me a little bit of just what we saw from Drake may in week one, and you're
74:39asking for potentially more of the same and in what has been already an ugly year for the Chargers.
74:45I worry it's going to get even uglier by the time this week is over.
74:49Pacific time zone practice reports coming in you guys.
74:51So just to get back to what we talked about a little earlier, Trent Williams practicing.
74:55Mike Williams sidefield. Mike Evans. Mike Evans. Okay. All right.
74:58All right. That's good to know. Brandon Cooks on the 53 man roster.
75:02So it won't matter. Well, last year, last week they were doing with Jordan Watkins and like, and whoever else was playing in that game, which was ridiculous.
75:09All right. We want it. We didn't do this last week.
75:12I wanted to trot out one this week because there is a game that this is the way I wanted to attack it.
75:18I have a little bit of a take therapy for you.
75:21And for anyone who missed this in the week one preview, whenever one of us has sort of, I don't know, an
75:27intrusive thought, something that we want to talk about in a welcoming, safe environment, we're going to spend a little bit of
75:33time doing some therapy about these takes. And mine today is about the Falcon Saints game.
75:38I think I believe in Michael Penix. On one game against the Packers?
75:41I think I believe. Already? Okay. I think I believe in Michael Penix.
75:45Let's, I'm not necessarily, I do think that he has, he has the arm talent that will let me believe in this,
75:51but I want to, I want to hear you talk through this.
75:54Why, why are we already in on Michael Penix after one game?
75:57He was operating so fast in that game. When you watch some of the anticipation, how quickly that ball was coming out, how cleanly he was seeing things.
76:05And you combine that with the arm talent. I just think it's an incredibly exciting package of traits.
76:10The one thing we've always talked about with Penix is two things.
76:13When he gets pushed off his spot, obviously he is a stiff player in the pocket.
76:17Like there's, there's no denying that that's going to continue to be the case that is ultimately going to limit his ceiling.
76:23But if that's it. And the, because the other thing was his ability to push the ball and attack the middle of
76:29the field, they threw the ball over the middle of the field in that game.
76:33If you're going to get under center and use some play action, and you're going to have tools that allow him to
76:39throw the ball to that area of the field consistently and efficiently, we're really running out of things other than injury that worry me about him.
76:46And I just think the way he played in that game on a short week, first start hadn't been practicing that much,
76:52even if the Packers were instantly imploding. I just thought how fast he looked in that game combined with just how talented he is as a thrower.
77:00I think I'm ready to believe in this and I'm full, like to an extent, right?
77:04And I'm fully willing to admit, and I said this during the game, he is number one on my list, maybe with
77:10Cam Ward, like slightly behind him of guys. I want to be good because it would be cool.
77:15Like, I think he is number one because of how talented he is as a thrower.
77:19And so I fully admit that I am prone to wanting this because I think if he's good, it would be really exciting.
77:25But I think I'm in a spot where in a safe space surrounded by friends, I am ready to tell you that I believe in Michael Penix.
77:33I do want it to be good because if we had a quarterback who was, I don't even want to put a
77:39number on it, but if he is an above average quarterback playing with Drake London, Bajon Robinson, Kyle Pitts, it's like, it's a pretty good offense, man.
77:46If he, if he can really be that consistently.
77:48Um, I do think that while he was really impressive, obviously coming off the short week has not played in this offense.
77:54I think that was really impressive for his part.
77:57I do wonder from a defensive perspective, like they don't know what the offense is going to look like with you either.
78:03And so I do wonder like what defenses are, how they're going to adjust.
78:06And so I do think that because he looked as good as he did, and I do believe in the offensive infrastructure.
78:12Like I said, that coming into the season, I was pretty high on, I think I had them like six or seven,
78:18uh, in the NFC in terms of supporting cast, the offensive line is, is what it is.
78:23But I do think that the play calling is good.
78:26You have one of the best running backs in the league.
78:29Drake London's really good pits, all this stuff. I do think that they can operate at a level that is not elite offense, but like pretty good.
78:36And I do still think that I think I want to see the middle of the field throwing more, more consistently, more
78:42against more defenses, but he obviously has the arm talent to do it.
78:46And I do think that he already in some ways has proven a little bit more willing to change and grow there
78:51than some of the other guys I typically have this issue with Jalen Hurts, Bo Nix, Joe Burrow, to an extent, like
78:57those are guys that like were four or five, six years into a lot of their careers, and they just have not moved off of that.
79:04You at least see Penix trying it a little bit more.
79:07And so I think I want to see that fully crystallize, but I do think that there is a path for him.
79:13I think I'm in a little bit more wait and see mode.
79:17I will say, and I said this actually coming off of last year, to me, it's pretty clear that he's like a NFL starting quarterback.
79:23To me, I'm, I'm wondering what the ceiling really is, whether it's the eighth best quarterback or the 15th or 16th.
79:29I think that's where I'm a little bit curious.
79:32To be clear, if we're having a serious conversation, I also am in wait and see mode, but I'm in a spot, right?
79:38I want to believe in this. You're cautiously optimistic.
79:40I want to believe in this. In a way that I'm more just like cautious.
79:44Yeah. Because with some of these guys, think about the conversation we had in the middle of the week, just about how
79:50the timeline that where guys come along, what you want to see from guys.
79:54There just aren't that many quarterbacks, period, who throw the ball like this.
79:58Like there just aren't. And so I want to see a guy with this level of arm talent.
80:02It explodes out of his hand. I want to see a guy like that find success because I just think it, the league is more fun.
80:10If a guy who can play the position this way ends up being good.
80:13And so I think that's just why I'm rooting for it.
80:16And the last note I have about this, just this quarterback matchup in general, I find so exciting going back and watching that game against the Raiders.
80:24We didn't say it in the Raiders defense section, the plays that the saints made in the passing game in that game
80:30for the most part, not play action. They hit a lot of like spit the ball to the flat off play action, take advantage of some conflicts completions.
80:37A lot of the pure drop back down the field completions that the saints had in that game only happened because of
80:43shucks arm talent and how fast that ball was coming out.
80:46Like he had to make a handful, five, six big boy throws on time in that game in order to take advantage of the Raiders defense.
80:53And so both of these guys, I think just play a style of quarterback that I find exciting to watch.
80:59And so the idea that coming into the season, maybe a Falcon saints, Tyler Shuck, Michael Penix matchup might not have seemed
81:05like the most exciting thing on paper. I am in a spot where this to me is like one of the coolest quarterback matchups of the entire week.
81:12So Shuck, I'm closer to getting there. Actually, I, he, he is, I think stylistically, I have like a couple of gripes with him.
81:19He still takes too many sacks. And I do think he has a weird combination of he takes too many sacks.
81:24And I think that he also checks the ball down a little bit too much, but the arm talent is undeniable with him.
81:31I think he's a really good mover. Once he gets out of the pocket a little bit.
81:35And I think the way that he sees it generally, I know he's had a couple of picks this season, but like
81:41some of those late in the game are like, he's immediately getting smacked when they're down.
81:45Like some of that shit is going to happen.
81:48And then I even said it, I think the week one interception, he tried to throw to Noah Fant.
81:53It's a choice, right? Where him and the receiver just don't agree on where they're supposed to be.
81:58And like that stuff is just going to happen early on in the season.
82:02And so he's a player where I really believe in the arm talent, the throws that he's willing to make, like he
82:08can really test every single layer of the field.
82:10He can throw middle of the field. He can throw down the field.
82:14His deep accuracy really is phenomenal. And I think the way that he can test another, like really, one of my favorite
82:20arm strength tests actually is like, can you throw, especially in the red zone, the like flat route straight to the pylon
82:26when you're on like the four yard line, because the angle is so difficult.
82:29It's so narrow that like, if you have to really spit that thing out there and Tyler Schott can do that so easily.
82:36And so the talent I'm really bought in on, he's just a player where I want to see minor improvements.
82:41And can we take one and a half percent less sacks and not check the ball down quite as much?
82:46But I think that's just stuff that's going to come with time.
82:50I believe in him. And the Bozo plays like they're going to, there, there have been a lot of Bozo plays this year.
82:56He's a young player. He's a young player. I just like guys, both of these players.
83:00And even if PEDX, the middle of the field stuff is what we need to see more of.
83:05I love that both of these guys are from the far hash.
83:08If you're playing one step further off than you should have, I can fit it in there.
83:13Both of these guys play that way. And I just like watching quarterbacks who play that way.
83:18Yeah. And they will throw it early. They're not going to wait to see it.
83:22Like they will really, that is the last thing I'll say.
83:25That's really impressive to me about Shuck. I think mechanically and footwork wise, he is one of the most impressive quarterbacks in the league right now.
83:32Like, I really think he's very buttoned up in the way that he operates.
83:35Let's finish things off with what we want to know coming out of week four in the NFL.
83:40This one's simple for me. Can the bears do it again?
83:43Can the bears do it again? Maybe with a different quarterback, we still don't know who's playing quarterback for the bears.
83:49So, I mean, last week, what happened on Monday is set in the moment.
83:53So confidence inspiring. I just want to know, can they do it again?
83:56And the offense might need to do it again because the jets defense or excuse me, the jets offense has been really good and really explosive.
84:03Like there is a chance that you have to put up points to match the jets in this game based on what
84:09we have seen from that offense so far this year.
84:12And so that's it. Can they do it again?
84:14And then the other fun layer to this is we get Ben Johnson versus Aaron Glenn for the first time.
84:20Yeah. If we get a little bit of old guys coming up, coming back into their kind of coming back, you know,
84:26having been in so many meeting rooms together, now they've got to go do it on the opposite sideline.
84:31I think that that's really fun. I do think, yeah, like this, because the bears probably don't win that the Monday night game.
84:37If the Eagles offense looks alive at all, like there were stretches where the Eagles offense looked live.
84:42They throw the red zone pick and then everything kind of falls away for them.
84:46I weirdly don't, I have more faith in the jets offense, not doing that than I think I do with the Eagles
84:52offense at some point, like Geno Smith against some of these mediocre defenses has been really good this season.
84:57And so they're, they're going to make them earn it.
85:00And that it's also something I'm curious what the bears defense looks like.
85:04The bears defense has been, it's been kind of all over the place.
85:07You know, the Panthers obviously had some huge chunk plays in week one to rainstorm in week two.
85:12They had an awful first half against the Eagles last week, and then they looked great in the second half.
85:17And I do think that the jets offense is just a much better test for where your defense is than we probably
85:23would have thought it was coming into the year.
85:26So it just, it's an intriguing game on a lot of different levels considering it's a jets team.
85:31We had no idea what to think about coming into the year and Caleb Williams isn't playing.
85:35It's who would have guessed it, but here we are.
85:38What do you got? What do you want to know coming out of week four in the NFL?
85:43So I've got Panthers lions, and I swear, I don't mean to be doing this bit to two games in a row,
85:49but I was talking to, to our buddy Keegan up do from next gen stats.
85:53So starting wide receivers and tight ends versus all defensive backs on the other team, we were looking at height differences.
85:59The Panthers, the Panthers offense built of all skyscrapers.
86:01And this is assuming Jalen Coker will play, uh, has a 5.2 inch differential on the lines.
86:06DBS on average, almost a half a foot. That is the third largest difference in a game in a decade.
86:11And while I said that that is probably dependent on Jalen Coker playing Tremaine Edmond or, uh, bright, not Tremaine Edmond, uh, Bryson Tremaine.
86:18Get it. Yeah. Getting a little, a little bit confused there.
86:21Tremaine Edmonds would be also a very big receiver.
86:23Would also be very tall, but they're about the same.
86:26They're about six, four. And so like, that's the other guy who would be playing for them.
86:30And so like, they have size in a way that you, the size matchup in a way that you really don't see
86:36last week when I said it for Cardinals Niners, I was like, it's kind of a size thing.
86:41It's kind of a physicality thing. Just the way that Michael Wilson plays and stuff like that.
86:46No, this is truly, they are just going to be above the rim on you in a way that you're not going to be able to match.
86:53And I just, I'm curious to see how that goes.
86:56Toker practice today. There we go. Limited practice, but it sounds like he might be back.
87:00And that's just music to Derek Sears. All Derek wants to watch is big receivers against tiny defensive backs.
87:05All right. That is all we've got for today.
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