0:00Welcome to The Athletic Football Show brought to you by the U.S.
0:03Bank Smartly Visa Signature Card. I'm Robert Mays. Week 4 is in the books.
0:07A lot of great stuff to dig into today.
0:10We're going to talk about Panthers Lions tomorrow on the hangover.
0:13We touched on it a little bit at the top, but a really impressive performance from Bryce Young and Tadaroa McMillan.
0:18We kick things off with the Chiefs beating the Raiders in an exciting one.
0:22CeeDee Lamb, the Jags and the Patriots, notably Drake May grabbing our attention.
0:26Some WTF stuff from the Broncos. We had a little bit of a conversation about the Rams Eagles, and some bizarre historic
0:32stats in Bears-Jets and then we got a little bit romantic about Zay Flowers with me Dave and Derek.
0:37Let's get to it right now. Another awesome day of NFL football.
0:40We had a fantastic witching hour in the noon window, a lot of interesting results in the afternoon window, and then a
0:46Sunday night game that was exciting on a bunch of different levels.
0:50Not only did it come down to the final drive for the Lions, but what a game from Bryce Young.
0:55Bryce Young and Ted Roe McMillan. My God, I couldn't believe that game came down to the end the way it did.
1:01Like, it seemed like the Panthers had kind of run away with it.
1:05At some point, it like it was around when there were like seven and a half minutes left in the fourth quarter.
1:11It was like Panthers got a two score lead.
1:13Feels like they'll be able to run the clock out the way that they've been playing offense today.
1:18Like we can kind of move on. I can check out.
1:21And then like every time I look back, I'm like, wait, the Lions might still actually go and win the game.
1:27But assuming a basic degree of competency, the NFL really is starting to remind me of the NBA where a run's coming.
1:33Like unless one team just looks completely inept or there's a quarterback injury.
1:36If you're within like if you're within 17, you're going to have a shot to make it interesting late in the game.
1:43Most of the time we saw that we're not another game.
1:46Seattle, L.A. is the same thing where you look up and you're like, holy shit, this was lopsided like 45 minutes ago.
1:52And so really fun way to cap it off, though, like a thousand yards of total offense.
1:56So good time to bring up the Chargers and the Seahawks.
1:59We're going to talk about that game on the hangover tomorrow.
2:02We're going to dig into Panthers, Lions on the hangover tomorrow.
2:05It's going to be the first thing we talk about for people who are new watching these.
2:10We don't often hit the Sunday night game in real time.
2:13We're prepping the rest of the show during the Sunday night game.
2:16And so unless it's like a marquee matchup between two bulletproof playoff teams, for the most part, we save the Sunday night
2:22game to start the hangover, which is the show we do Monday into Tuesday.
2:26So that's what we're going to do this week.
2:29Talk all about what the Panthers did, what Bryce Young did, what Ted Roe and McMillan did.
2:33We'll be digging into that. We'll be digging into Seahawks and Chargers, like I just said.
2:38And the third game will be the Giants and the Cardinals.
2:41So those will be the three hangover games tomorrow.
2:43It bears repeating before we move on, though. Ted Roe and McMillan.
2:46Holy crap. Bryce Young as well. I went into the Sunday night game.
2:50I was at 15 in my high school fantasy league.
2:53That is more important to me than I like to admit at this stage in my life.
2:57I was like, oh, I may hang on to this.
3:00I got a cheap Brock Bowers touchdown late. They got those two Kenneth Walker touchdowns in about six seconds.
3:05I was like, man, what an unlikely win. Lucky me.
3:08And then I hung on to that lead for about 18 minutes of real time because of what Ted Roe and McMillan did tonight.
3:15So it's been a fun start to the season for Bryce Young and Ted Roe and McMillan.
3:19The flashes from Bryce Young have been incredibly exciting.
3:22And so very excited to dig into that game in earnest and in full tomorrow.
3:26But we are going to start this show with another big win for today.
3:30And that is the Kansas City Chiefs knocking off the Las Vegas Raiders 30 to 27.
3:34For offensively, this was a sleepy game for a good chunk of the game.
3:38The score was in the teens as we got deep into the third quarter, into the fourth quarter.
3:43And then we had an explosion late in this game.
3:46Again, another one where Raiders were down two scorers felt like it was over.
3:49They somehow dragged themselves back. Derek, you were the only one that wasn't in the room as that game was happening.
3:55I'm curious, just your initial thoughts on the Chiefs managing to pull this one out against the Raiders.
4:00Well, it's funny. You say it was sleepy. And I think at one point the broadcast right before the big Kenneth Walker
4:06run, the broadcast was like, oh, the Chiefs have only had like 18 yards in this quarter.
4:11Blah, blah, blah. And he instantly rips off like a 70 yarder because Trey Smith absolutely moves the defensive alignment ahead of him.
4:17Jalen Moore does a really good job of kicking out the defensive end there.
4:21The whole right side. The whole right side. There's a lot of movement on that play.
4:25Everybody. And then the whole point of why you get a guy like Kenneth Walker is if you can get him to
4:31that second level, the safety coming down is not going to be at the angle that he wants to be.
4:37And Jeremy Chin was not at the angle that he wanted to be to go and catch Kenneth Walker.
4:42And so I do think overall, and this will probably, I think, continue to be true of the Chiefs offense.
4:48But I do think that they should be good enough at it.
4:51Maybe without Taequann Thornton, maybe this won't be true.
4:53They feel like a touchdown to check down style of offense.
4:56I think the way that their run game operates, it is very explosive.
5:00And I think today they were very much like we hit three or four like huge chunk plays down the field.
5:06And other than that, they were living in the flats.
5:08It was boots. It was Mahomes getting to check downs, making some plays that way.
5:13It was a very like feast or famine style of play.
5:16And I do think if Mahomes can hit enough of those, I do think that can work.
5:20We can maybe talk about what that actually looks like without Taequann Thornton.
5:24Rashid Rice was obviously banged up in this game.
5:26And so it gives me a little bit of pause.
5:29But when they've been good at it, they've been very good at that this year.
5:33I totally agree about how the game felt. I mean, their explosives is what carried them in this game.
5:38And so I think there's a few different things to hit there.
5:42One, it was the difference in the game. Them being explosive versus the Raiders only having really one explosive play.
5:47I mean, they had the 28-yard gente screen at one point.
5:50But other than that, it was really just the kind of leak play to Ian Thomas.
5:54It was on the same side. So it was almost more like a delay down the sideline to Ian Thomas.
6:00But that was really the only one. And then the Chiefs had really four of them, right?
6:05They had the one to Worthy. They had the two to Thornton.
6:08They had a 76-yard run for Kenneth Walker. So that really was the difference in this game is that the Chiefs were able to be so explosives.
6:15That's the observation about this game. The second thought is, how f***ing weird is it that that's what the Chiefs are?
6:21Like, think about how we talked about the Chiefs for the last two years.
6:25The idea that they're a feast or famine offense that had to survive on explosives today.
6:29That's an uncomfortable place for me to live with the Kansas City Chiefs.
6:33But that is what happened. Okay. It's funny you say that because there's a half dozen preseason conversations that live in my brain rent-free.
6:39And one of them is the long conversation we had in July or August about, is Kenneth Walker being explosive as hell
6:45good enough to fix everything about the Chiefs offense?
6:48And through four weeks, the answer is yes. And ironically, it's terrible because Taequann Thornton, I don't need to see a whole
6:54lot else to know that he's going to be missing for a while.
6:58I mean, it's devastating. That was a tough moment.
7:00I mean, did you guys, I don't know if you guys saw the clip.
7:04Did you see the clip? I think it was Caliendo came over to him and was trying to get him up.
7:10And then Taequann Thornton pointed to his foot. Caliendo looks at his foot and then immediately looks away.
7:15Well, I think that was the reaction all of us had.
7:18He didn't like know. Like, you can see him start to pop up and like celebrate.
7:22And then after a while, it's like, oh, that's not that's not going to go how it's going to go, which sucks because he was.
7:29I mean, other than Ken Walker and Patrick Mahomes, maybe he was like their best player in this game.
7:34I legitimately I've been joking about it. No, Dave has heard me say this like three or four times in the first
7:40month of the season that Taequann Thornton is the most important receiver on the Chiefs.
7:44And I after today, I think you would feel the difference in losing him.
7:48I don't know if you want to live this way every game where it's three or four explosives and Kenneth Walker is what's carrying you.
7:55But in games where you have to live like that, this offense is going to feel significantly different without Taequann Thornton.
8:01Even going back to last year, I felt like he gave them a dimension that they really didn't have, because for as
8:07much as Xavier Worthy was supposed to be that sort of player, he hasn't been that sort of player.
8:12He had the contested catch on the field today, but that doesn't really happen.
8:16And Thornton's the guy that's been giving them that element.
8:18And so losing him, I actually do think is a really big deal.
8:22It's a huge deal. And I mean, if I'm a Chiefs fan, I'm clinging to the hope that Xavier Worthy boxed Eric
8:28Stokes out for a contested catch 40 yards down the field in this game and looked really impressive doing so.
8:33And I'm guessing they're going to need a lot more of that.
8:37Well, I don't know what the deal is with Rasheed Rice's hamstring, but soft tissue injuries for receivers are always scary.
8:43And so it sucks for them. And maybe you're right that this isn't a way to live consistently, but it sucks for
8:49them that Kenneth Walker has managed to open so many things up for what we would all agree is a pretty lackluster receiver group.
8:55And now they're I feel like they're going to be playing with a hand tied behind their back.
9:00Either that or they have the early buy, by the way, they're off next week.
9:04And so I don't know. Receiver tryouts, Tyree kill.
9:07What are you doing? Tyree kill feels like. I mean, that was a joke for like three weeks.
9:12And now I'm like, well, you got to at least see what he looks like running around in shorts during the bye week.
9:18I mean, they have to do something like whether it's Tyree kill or you have the buy.
9:23So like, do you want to trade for someone like you have a week to like actually get them into the offense
9:29before it becomes like, is this guy actually going to work in our team?
9:32Like, I actually do think that they're in a decent position if they want to do something.
9:37I don't have the season long stats from last year.
9:40I'd be curious on a per game basis if you ever match this total.
9:44Patrick Mahomes averaged 11.3 air yards per attempt tonight.
9:46That just wasn't how the Chiefs offense was operating over the last couple of years.
9:50Obviously, their inefficiency on deep throws was a point of conversation, but they weren't even attempting that many.
9:55He had six passes today that were 20 plus yards in the air.
9:59And so this version of the offense is just kind of strange.
10:02And when you think about the moment where this game changes, it's the third and five where he hits Thornton against cover zero.
10:08Like him buying that time and finding Thornton down the field is where this game changes.
10:13If you look at it in that moment before that pass gets thrown, the Raiders had, I can't remember the exact number
10:19on it, but they're like win expectancy in that moment from next gen was extremely high.
10:23Like as soon as it got to that third and five, it felt like the Raiders were probably going to win that game.
10:29And then Mahomes completes that crazy throw to Thornton buying that time to his left.
10:34And again, just being in a place where the Chiefs offense lives and feasts on those explosive plays.
10:38And that's where they survive for most of the game is just kind of a disorienting place to be.
10:44Two stats I wanted to share coming out of this game, which to that point, I mean, Mahomes had a big day despite completing 15 balls.
10:5115 for 225. It's the second. It's a weird game.
10:54Second time he's won, won a game in which he only completed 15 passes this year.
10:58And this is the first year he's managed to do that in five years.
11:02It's not since 2021. Were they able like to get that much out of so few completions for Patrick Mahomes?
11:07The other fun thing coming out of this, it shouldn't be surprising given what he's done.
11:12Per true media, Kenneth Walker's, uh, what he finished with one 77 today.
11:15Per true media through the first four weeks of a season, only 2003 Jamal Lewis and 2010 Arian Foster have rushed for
11:21more yards through the first four weeks of a season.
11:24Like he, he passed, uh, DeMarco Murray ran for 1800 in 2014.
11:27He passed him up on, um, today just barely, but I mean, he's, he's on a complete tear and they're going to
11:33have to do something at receiver if I had to guess.
11:36But the question over the summer of like, is this enough to actually make the chiefs feel different?
11:41Yep. Sure is. What are your thoughts about the Raiders after this game, Derek?
11:45Because if they, if the Raiders don't fumble the kickoff at 23 19, they have three minutes left down by four to
11:51potentially go down and win this game. Instead, the chiefs get the ball back.
11:55They score immediately. Now it's a two score game with three ish minutes.
11:59Obviously the Raiders cut it close, but when you're down 11 with three minutes left or yeah, we're not 11 with three minutes left.
12:05It's going to be a tall order. Even if you can score that first touchdown, we saw that.
12:10So as you think about just the Raiders ability to stay in this game, what you saw from them on both sides
12:16of the ball, where do you sit with the Raiders four weeks into the season, even with them losing this game?
12:22I mean, pretty much where we came in to them to this game, where it was like, I think they're an exciting team.
12:28I think their ceiling is going to be limited just by the fact that I think in certain talent wise, like offensive
12:34line, I think some of the secondary is still up and down, even if those guys are really exciting.
12:39There's just spots that I think you can pick on.
12:42And I've talked about like how I came into the season with the Packers, like those two positions, when those are your
12:48shaky spots, you're going to give up some big plays.
12:51And I think obviously that's what happened on both sides in this game.
12:54But I do think that they're a team that's really well coached on both sides of the ball, like some of the
13:00pressures that they were trying to bring to get to my homes.
13:04I thought the way that they were getting pressure off the edge specifically, which we talked about coming into this matchup, they
13:10were really able to do like the Quay Walker, where they fired him inside the red zone, inside the goal line.
13:16And like they were able to go and sack them homes out to his left.
13:20I thought was really nice. And then offensively, Kirk Cousins is a really good quarterback if you don't hit him.
13:25Like, like, like I know that that sounds like it's the NFL.
13:28You're going to get hit all the time. And obviously there's limitations to that.
13:32But when he does have like time to work or he gets the ball out or they just block it up really
13:38well on that play, like he really is seeing it really well.
13:42He's very accurate. And the offense is designed in such a way that a quarterback like that is going to be able to take advantage.
13:48And so they're going to lack some explosiveness down the field because they don't have a receiver who can automatically cash in
13:55that way, like a CD lamb, George Pickens or whatever.
13:57And Kirk Cousins doesn't really have the arm to do that.
14:00But I do think that, again, like I said, coming into the week, they're going to test your all of your rules
14:06and make you play good sound football. And I think that we saw that like they put a very good Chiefs team on the ropes.
14:13And I do think that they can do that to a lot of other good teams.
14:18It's kind of funny that we talked about this going into last year where the Raiders were this kind of oddity in the way that they were built.
14:25They have a first round top 10 running back.
14:28They have, I mean, calling him a tight end is almost a misnomer at this point, but their best offensive weapon pass catcher is obviously a tight end.
14:35Now you have Michael Mayer as a big part of what their offense looks like.
14:39And we thought, oh, there'll be a high floor team.
14:42There'll be kind of strange. You know, they'll stick around.
14:45They'll give people problems. And then that obviously didn't happen.
14:48They were a disaster from day one. It took a year, but the Raiders are who we thought they were going to be last year.
14:55They're this weird team where you're built around tight ends and a running back in this game collectively.
14:59Okay. Kirk Cousins ended up throwing 52 passes in this game.
15:02He threw, excuse me, he threw 29 of those 52 passes to the tight ends and the running back.
15:08Brock Bowers ended this game with 11 targets. Michael Mayer had 10 and Ashton Jensie had eight.
15:12It's a weird team. It's a weird team in the way they thought we thought they were going to be a weird
15:18team this year, but there's just so much to like about everything that they're doing on both sides of the ball.
15:24Even if a part of that weirdness is them boxing themselves in and limiting them in a way that other teams with more explosive pass catchers aren't limited.
15:32It does kind of sound like you're telling me that when in doubt hired like the young assertive play caller, who's about
15:38his business and you can make all this stuff look a hell of a lot better because Clint Kubiak has been so impressive.
15:44And I, the Rob Leonard has been just as impressive.
15:47I think that when you get, I compared them to the Jags a couple of weeks ago and I said their best
15:53case scenario is probably being like a diet version of the Jags and from last year.
15:57And I think that's kind of where I sit with it.
16:00I think they're probably well coached enough to give people problems all year to stay in a lot of these games.
16:06I just worry about what the ceiling looks like and ultimately what the firepower looks like because of the explosiveness at receiver and the explosiveness of the quarterback.
16:14Other than that, I think that there is a lot to like about this team just sticking around, sticking around, sticking around and Raiders fans.
16:21Taking a lot of satisfaction and watching them every single week.
16:24I just think that what they've continued to show even after losing this game, there's just so much to like about what
16:30they're bringing to the table game in and game out.
16:32And what a fun, satisfying place to be as a Raider fan compared to what last year felt like.
16:38And if you're looking forward to the future, like sometimes there might be teams like this, right?
16:42Where, okay, you're this upstart kind of fun team.
16:45And you lack this explosiveness in the passing game.
16:47And it's like, well, are we going to run out of road at some point?
16:51Well, at some point, Fernando Mendoza is going to play.
16:54And I don't know if that means this year or later, but like, and I, again, I'm not even calling for him
17:00to play because I do think Kirk is playing very, very well.
17:03But if you're thinking ahead for the future and you're trying to be excited about 2027 and you're like, man, we got to solve receiver and quarterback.
17:11Well, they don't have to solve quarterback. You know, who knows how good he'll be, but they have an answer for like
17:17trying to get more explosive that way. I'm not calling for Fernando right now, either, even though that was my whole mission heading into the season.
17:24Kirk has played well. It's worth mentioning. Like Kirk, after a overall solid game, like glitched out on that final play.
17:30Yeah, he did. He did good shot. Like the whole offense did.
17:33I mean, how they handled that final drive. He did glitch out.
17:36He, I mean, he, he just went through like a system reboot at the line and then realized like he clicked back
17:42on after he started scrambling and was like, wait, I was drafted in 2012.
17:46I got to get rid of this wall, which, you know, kind of a down note to finish it on because it's
17:52at least conceivable they could have gotten into position for a game tying field goal attempt, which I would have liked to
17:58see based on how entertaining that game was. It's that's just still, it's a, it's tough sledding.
18:03I mean, like when you're in, you know, timeouts and everything else.
18:06I feel like sometimes we should give quarterback specifically a little bit more grace when it comes to the decision-making in those
18:12moments where the game is kind of spiraling away from you when you have no ability to stop the clock.
18:18But yes, I would say glitched out is the proper way to describe what was happening in that moment.
18:23Is it bad that I'm already playing like which receiver can the Raiders afford next off season?
18:28Is it bad that I'm already putting, trying to put George Pickens on the Raiders and just seeing what happens.
18:33I was going to ask more of the options.
18:36George Pickens is going to be a free agent next year.
18:39Because the other one. George Pickens feels like a Raider.
18:41Well, and what did we say about Fernando Mendoza?
18:44Get him someone who will catch the back shoulder.
18:46I'm pretty sure George Pickens will catch a back shoulder too.
18:49The Fernando point is such a good one though, because if you're a team like the Raiders and I mean where the
18:55Browns are at right now, if you win enough games and you put yourself out of the quarterback conversation and you're like,
19:01all right, well now we do like a middle of the road thing with Deshaun Watson and have to piece it together.
19:07The Raiders aren't in that position. The Raiders have the number one pick in this draft that will be playing for them eventually.
19:14And so that's not enough solace to explain away or not care about the fact that you lost this game today.
19:19But as somebody who doesn't have to be moment by moment emotionally invested in the Las Vegas Raiders, I think that is the perspective I'm taking here.
19:27Not to go too in the weeds. I apologize.
19:29But we always talk about how receivers of that caliber rarely even make it to free agency.
19:34Pickens was tagged. And to Alec Pierce, they were able to reach a deal in Indianapolis.
19:38Maybe the more realistic scenario here is the draft.
19:41And Indiana has a hell of a wide receiver who played with Fernando Mendoza.
19:45But if the Raiders have like the 28th pick in the draft, they're going to be able to get that guy.
19:50Maybe you can maneuver. You know, we're not we're not going after.
19:54I would have said Jeremiah Smith, but that's definitely not on the table.
19:57Like the Raiders are way too good for Jeremiah Smith.
20:00But these are building the beast conversations. All right.
20:02Before we move on, let's take one quick break.
20:05Gentlemen. Now you have my attention. The Dallas Cowboys knock off the Texans 34 to 30.
20:09But the guy that really stuck out in this game, CeeDee Lamb, 21 targets, 17 catches, 189 yards and one touchdown.
20:15That being the game winner. CeeDee Lamb and the Dallas Cowboys offense against the Texans.
20:19You officially have our attention. That's where that's where I want to start.
20:23You remember last year, Joe Flacco and Jamar Chase played that game where he threw to him like 20 some odd times in prime time.
20:30And it was just like no matter what they wanted, Joe Flacco was going to find Jamar Chase.
20:34That's against the Steelers defense. That was good. But like you could kind of pick on in certain ways.
20:40This is the Texans, man. Like I still think that this defense can be really good, even despite how today went.
20:45And for for Dak and for CeeDee to play the way that they did, especially in the second half of this game,
20:51the offense didn't do a whole lot in the first half.
20:54It really wasn't until the second half that they really exploded.
20:58The Texans were giving Dak fits in the early going of this game.
21:01They were down 17, six at halftime. The Cowboys were.
21:04They scored six points in the first half. Yeah.
21:06Was it 17, six or 16, six? Either way.
21:0916, 16, six. I'm sorry. I'm staring at it right here in front of me.
21:13And it's I said 17, six. It's been a long day.
21:16We had always we had a London game. But I mean, yeah.
21:19And especially like with the way we can get into that.
21:22But I thought D'Amico Ryan's ran circles around Brian Schottenheimer at the end of the first half in this game, which is
21:28why you were down to possessions in the first place.
21:31But yeah, like Dak missed a while Dak actually missed CeeDee on what I think was a sluggo early on in this
21:37game just because the Texans were throwing so much at him and to see them fight through that.
21:42Yeah. Like it looked it looked really cool down the stretch.
21:45And CeeDee had one of the best receiver games of this decade.
21:48First receiver in the second receiver in the 2020s to catch 17 plus passes in a game.
21:53Keenan Allen did it in 2023. And then Antonio Brown did 17 for 284 as a Steeler in 2015.
21:58But I mean, like as as fun as the Cowboys made it look, I really feel like the Texans made him earn
22:04it, which made it so much more satisfying to just to watch as a fan of football.
22:09It was a good combination of great players making great plays.
22:12But also, I really liked a lot of the stuff design wise that Dallas was doing, especially in the second half.
22:18The great players making great plays is George Pickens going up and getting that play action deep shot off his back shoulder.
22:24I mean, he again, not a featured player in terms of targets in this game, but the verticality he gives the offense
22:30is so necessary that the offense just feels so much different when they're willing to push the ball down the field, when
22:36he's creating some of that vertical stretch. And there was the one play I can remember when it happened in the game.
22:42It's in my notes somewhere where CD just gets totally dropped on a crosser where I think it was Stingley was trying to pass him off.
22:49And there's all that space in part because Pickens is yanking out Lasser to that side.
22:53And then Lasser gets Sting for two penalties against Pickens.
22:56And then so even if Pickens wasn't a featured player in terms of how often he was getting the ball thrown to
23:02him consistently there that that was early. It was 1330 or so in the third quarter.
23:06They're running Pickens on a vertical CDs running the crosser and Stingley's trying to pass him off.
23:11And that's that gets to the design element of this.
23:14You look at some of the stuff Dallas was doing with bunches, stacks.
23:17They were doing a lot of things out of two by two where they were in stacks and it was creating miscommunication issues.
23:24There was another play where CD is the number one receiver to the left side.
23:28Ferguson runs the vertical. Stingley takes Ferguson. CD is wide open on the quick out and he gets that.
23:33And then the sluggo is a design play where we feel like they've been sitting on a lot of stuff underneath.
23:39You have Pickens faking the slant, taking it vertical.
23:41Dak puts it on him and that's a huge play in the game.
23:45And so again, I think it's a combination of those receivers are really good.
23:49But I think Dallas with design in the second half created a lot of those completions against a really good defense.
23:54They just picked on all the right stuff. Like you mentioned the crosser that Stingley ends up dropping.
23:59There was a play earlier in the game where the Texans are in like a mug look and it's they have trips
24:05to the right side and they're running like the two fin routes from the inside and then number three is running that vertical.
24:12And just the way that it gets passed off, like Petrie thinks he's supposed to squeeze with number two.
24:17He should probably go help one. Stingley drops it off and there's nobody.
24:20There's nobody covering him. I also thought the Texans do still play a lot of quarters.
24:25I thought the Cowboys did a good job of abusing how much underneath space there is in quarters and like getting like
24:31on the fourth and four where they just run two of those shallows over into that and just abuse that space.
24:37I thought was impressive. They hit a sail route where you get or a sail concept where they had the safety driving down on the sail.
24:44They hit the post over the top, like just so many good beaters in the second half.
24:48Texans played 50% quarters in this game per next gen.
24:51I was glad you mentioned that deck 17 of 23 for 165 on those place.
24:55You know, they're going to play a lot of it.
24:58You better have those beaters ready. And again, I thought that that it's just it's not crazy stuff like Dallas isn't going
25:04to run the sort of offense where you're going to look.
25:07It's not the Niners where you're going to look at some of the wild shit that they're doing, whether it's motions or
25:13design and be like, man, how did they come up with that?
25:16But just consistently creating conflict for a defense that really struggled to communicate in the second half of this game.
25:22And I feel like the Dallas coaching staff deserves a lot of credit for how that went on top of what the receivers did.
25:28Okay. Also, it goes without saying, I guess, given the statistics, but the quarterback as well.
25:33Oh, yeah. Dak was so awesome in this game.
25:35And the game winning drive in particular. Oh, so good.
25:38So good. I let I charted the entire thing because I was so impressed by it.
25:42And like going back to my point about the Texans made this difficult, even if the even if some of the stats are gaudy.
25:49I mean, on the first snap of that, you know, two, two minutes and some change to play two timeouts in the two minute warning.
25:56Jalen Petrie almost picked him off on the very first snap of that drive, looking for a dig to CD two snaps later.
26:02On third and one, Kamari Ramsey, the rookie safety makes an amazing TFL to force a fourth down.
26:07Dak answers that call on the little sit down route to fur.
26:10That was another cool design. It's a bunch to the right.
26:13And because it's a bunch, Ferguson gets lost and he sits down over the ball.
26:17He's wide open and Dak hits him. And then right after that is probably my favorite thing that happened in the NFL
26:23today, which is second and ten hole shot across the, the, the far from the far hash.
26:28Jalen Petrie drops off his guy and is falling back on the route.
26:32So you've got Stingley and Petrie sandwiching the throw and Dak just fits it in between them beautifully, just arrogantly for a 15 yard gain.
26:39And that kind of gets the Cowboys into the territory where, all right, we can start thinking about winning this game instead of tying it.
26:45It was just a nails throw among like 10 that Dak made in this game.
26:50You're talking about the comeback to CD? Yeah. Yeah.
26:52I mean, that, that ball, when that ball comes out, that it's comes out so early.
26:56And that's one where we talk again, a lot design guys, open guys, dropping routes.
27:00There's nothing designing about that. That is a comeback against Derek Stingley one-on-one for CD lamb.
27:05And if that ball doesn't come out with the exact timing that it does, that thing does not get completed.
27:10That's screw you. Here's this. And it's, it's the coolest thing.
27:13That was the thing that CD did so consistently in this game.
27:17There were three or four examples of it. I wish I could pick point to more of them specifically.
27:22It's just in my wall of notes here, but on that play that he makes against Stingley CD being so friendly coming back to the ball.
27:29And when you have a quarterback who is going to test those tight windows, he's going to give you chances.
27:34You have to earn those by playing that way.
27:37You have to make your quarterback right on some of those throws.
27:40And CD just consistently three or four times throughout this game is making catches in some of those tight windows because of
27:46how friendly he's being to the quarterback, how aggressively he's coming back to the ball.
27:50And that was another example of that, Derek. And if you're going to be one of the best offenses in the league,
27:56you have to have both gears, right? Of like, we can scheme it up.
28:00And obviously I think that the Cowboys have mostly proven they can do that.
28:04And then you've got to just be able to win one-on-one football.
28:07And I think that they proved that they could do that too.
28:11And so this was I even looked this up for the other end.
28:14Like this was. In terms of second half that D'Amico Ryan has ever coached with the Texans, it was the third worst
28:20by EPA per play and success rate. And some of that is like sure they got schemed up, but like some of
28:26that is they just got beat one-on-one. Like I just thought that this was all around an incredible performance by the Cowboys.
28:32They got bailed out a little bit, right? You have those two Lasseter penalties on that one drive.
28:37They got a little bit of help, but the Cowboys defense deserves a ton of credit.
28:42Now the Texans are 0-4. They're sitting at 0-4.
28:44And this is one of those games where can't blame it on the offense.
28:48The offense did plenty to win this game. This was a top 10 EPA per dropback of CJ Stroud's entire career.
28:54And we talked about it when they fell to 0-3 that even if the Texans defense hasn't lived up to the reputation,
29:00the offense hasn't been pulling its weight. The offense did enough to win this game.
29:04And like even, you know. They were picking on Reddy Stewart, man.
29:07They were picking on him. CJ made several equally impressive throws in this game.
29:11Like he was dealing. And you're going to give up points and yards to the Cowboys offense when these guys are clicking.
29:17But this was a week where you needed the Houston defense to step up.
29:21And even if you just make one play, they needed to make a play in crunch time there.
29:26And yeah, I didn't think the offense was doing enough over the first three weeks.
29:30They did plenty today. The one play, I found it.
29:33We actually showed a replay of it. But it was a 16-yard catch by CD late in the third quarter.
29:38And Bullock was driving down on the crosser. And unless CD comes back to that ball just very subtly, that pass is not completed.
29:45And the other thing that really stuck out about that play, the one-on-one blocks on that play from Tyler Guyton and Tyler
29:51Booker to give Dak space, to give Dak the room to find a little bit more space in the pocket.
29:56That's been quietly something we haven't really talked about with the Cowboys offense.
30:00Guyton has played really well over the first part of this season.
30:03And I don't know if we ended up talking about him as one of the players who could swing the season, but we should have.
30:10I think we might have. Just because he has been such a, I would say just a question mark over his first
30:16couple years because he's been hurt so much. Like the idea that he's been disappointing or was kind of a lost cause
30:22coming into the season, that I never really understood because we hadn't seen him.
30:26And the injuries were coming, he got hurt in training camp one year.
30:29I mean, it just completely derails what your season is going to look like.
30:33And so for him to be as good as he has and for us to not really be talking about the state
30:39of the offensive line when they haven't had Tyler Smith for the first month of the season, to me, is a definitive win for the Cowboys.
30:46And Schottenheimer said after the game, there's at least a chance Tyler Smith could be back for week five.
30:52So, and even if he's not the fact that they're even planning for that right now and the offensive line has not been an issue overall.
30:59It's like, it's not the reason why you've lost the games you lost big, big win.
31:03The Texans defense is obviously a very good unit.
31:06They've been a very good unit for most of the past month, but Derek, this is one of those moments where you're
31:12sitting here at Owen for, it's probably not going to happen again.
31:15You're probably not going to have the miracle come back that you did last year to claw back into the playoffs.
31:21And it's just a reminder that these defensive teams, it can feel fleeting, man.
31:24It can feel really fleeting. If you don't really take advantage in those moments that you can kind of take it all
31:31the way with one of those teams, and it was probably last year for them to do it.
31:35It's very easy with teams that are built like this for you to look back and think about what if, and realize
31:41that you might've missed your window to do it like driven by that side of the ball.
31:46And it's starting to sadly feel like we might be in that place with the Texans.
31:51And you know, the worst part of it, I thought CJ Stroud was unbelievable in this game.
31:55CJ Stroud was incredible. Like if the whole calculus for this team was that the Texans defense was going to play at a really, really high level.
32:03And then CJ Stroud was going to return to whatever form that we thought he could be like a top 10 ish quarterback.
32:09And then the offensive line was going to get better.
32:12I think long-term, I still have faith that the Texans defense can be like top five, top six by the end of the year.
32:18I think CJ Stroud has been one of the best five or six quarterbacks in the NFL thus far.
32:23But the offensive line and all of the skill player injuries, obviously Nico Collins missing time, Higgins not being able to play,
32:29all of that stuff, that to me has been more damaging.
32:32And because I think if that stuff was even at the most middle outcome for what those things could have been, I
32:39think they could live with what had happened to their defense the first month of the season.
32:43But most of that stuff outside of Stroud alone was in like the bottom 20th percentile for what could have happened.
32:49And I think that that's why they've ended up where they have.
32:52And last year, the defense rose to such a level that they could carry it.
32:56Like you're saying, I think for a defense to rise to that level is really, really hard.
33:01And we thought they might be able to. But again, I think it just speaks to how hard it is to carry
33:07over that type of performance on defense. Like the Seahawks are second in the NFL in EPA per play.
33:12They've done a really good job of maintaining that level.
33:15But it's really, really hard to do that year in, year out.
33:18The Texans were able to do it for multiple seasons in a row.
33:22But I think there's a reason that one of the things we fall back on in talking about how you sustain success
33:28in the league is that as a defense, it's just more volatile from season to season than offense typically is.
33:33And so for them to kind of be on the other end of that volatility, and that doesn't mean going from a
33:39good defense to being a bad defense. It means going from the best defense in the NFL.
33:44And if you look at a lot of the numbers last year, it's Seahawks, Texans, Texans won two.
33:49I think Seattle finished number one in defensive DVOA.
33:51But there are so many just ridiculous rate stats for the Texans defense last year.
33:56And doing that again, over and over and over again is really, really hard.
33:59And when you fall from being that sort of defense that can truly carry you through an entire season to a defense
34:05that's fourth, fifth, sixth, best in the league, just kind of a normal run of the mill, great defense, that gap, you feel it.
34:12And that is the gap that we have felt with the Houston Texans this year.
34:16Unfortunately, even if down to down, they have still been really good on that side of the ball for the most part.
34:22And for Dallas, I mean, this is a game where for you to scrape the two and two here and not fall
34:28another game behind and kind of keep pace in a division where the Eagles look really messy.
34:33The Giants are winning the division, but the Giants have beaten the Dolphins, the Cardinals, and they jumped on the Cowboys in that weird week one game.
34:40It's this is a big win for Dallas, not only for just kind of proof of concept about what the offense can
34:46do against a really good unit, but to stay at two and two and really keep yourself very much alive to be
34:52at the top of the division sooner rather than later is a huge one.
34:56Especially after a sky is falling sort of weak with the way it ended in Rio, which I just never really understood.
35:02I just never really understood that. It's a tough moment for your head coach.
35:06It's an embarrassing moment. I think they've really had to dig themselves out of that hole just from an optics perspective.
35:12But in terms of what the football team looked like against the Ravens team, I think is really good.
35:17I just never understood why we were in panic mode.
35:20It's the way you lose it. Like, you know, we don't we don't have to rehash that during the recap a week later.
35:26But the way that that gets away from you, even if the Ravens are a good team, but the bounce back was impressive.
35:32Let's get to our next one here. The Jacksonville Jaguars win an ugly one 22 to 17 against the Bengals.
35:38I want to talk about this just because it's a reminder that the Jags can win in a bunch of ways.
35:44We've talked so much about the offense. We talked so much about how Trevor has played, what Liam Cohen has done for
35:50them to win this game against the Bengals, where it was kind of sloppy at times.
35:54The offense wasn't moving the ball that consistently down to down.
35:57And you really rely on your defense in two different ways.
36:00The run defense was phenomenal. Again, I mean, their ability to make teams one dimensional and then create one or two turnovers over the course of the game.
36:08This is what contenders look like. Contenders can beat you in a bunch of different ways.
36:12They can lean on different elements of their team week to week, depending on what the situation calls for.
36:17And I think we put the Jags at the table for a reason last year or last week.
36:22I mean, they have enough in kind of every facet to be dangerous and be able to steal these things in different styles of play.
36:29And that is really what stuck out to me today.
36:32And so the Jacksonville Jaguars sitting at three and one winning in different ways against good teams.
36:36You have our attention. I thought overall, like there were so many different impressive parts to me about this game, because this is one of those games where.
36:44Joe Burrow throws for 400 yards, and that seems like something that would be really bad, obviously.
36:49But then I look at how the Jaguars kind of got there.
36:52Obviously, one is stopping the run, so they kind of had to throw.
36:56That was a big part of it. And then the other thing was they played so much like cloud coverage.
37:01And I do think that Joe Burrow was he was extremely willing to throw into that hole in this game like that
37:0710 to 25 yard right on the sideline, that sort of thing.
37:10He actually had nine completions, 11 to 25 yards outside the numbers, which is the most in a game since Dak did it in November of 2023.
37:18But the reason I bring all that up is they were making him either do that or check the ball down.
37:24They were not giving them any explosives over the top.
37:26And they said, fine, we'll give you these 16 yard chunks.
37:29How about you do it 30 times over the course of 60 minutes?
37:33Is that enough to beat us? Because this defense overall all year has been really good in the red zone.
37:38And they were today like they got the pick off of him like they were.
37:43They were able to get some other stops like I thought that they played a very, very thoughtful and impressive bend.
37:48Don't break sort of game plan. And for the most part, executed on it.
37:52And if anything, they should have had another interception that Travis Hunter.
37:55The interception was one thing. It was kind of like thrown a little bit over T Higgins's head, but he jukes T
38:01Higgins out of his shoes after, which I thought was one of the coolest things that happened to the day.
38:07And it just got ripped off because of Eric Armstead got a roughing the passer penalty on it.
38:12So, like, I thought the way that the Jags defense was trying to play and what they accomplished, I thought was really impressive.
38:18Despite what the box score is going to look like, if you just look at Joe Burrow's passing numbers.
38:23I'm glad you brought up the Travis Hunter interception.
38:26My main impression is just the shit that the Jags did wrong.
38:29And I think it's it's a good point. The interception of Joe, I mean, not not a pick.
38:34You expect Joe Burrow to throw in the red zone.
38:37Fantastic job by the Jags and just making him drill down snap after snap.
38:41And eventually he made a backbreaking mistake. But the big stuff that stood out to me in this game.
38:46So Jacksonville got what they drew 13 flags for 125 yards.
38:49Ten of those happened in the first half. They negated the Travis Hunter interception because of the Armstead roughing and that the
38:55Bengals kicked a field goal on that drive. So, like, having that negated directly leads to Cincinnati points.
39:00Basil Tootin has a 44 yard touchdown brought back by a holding flag.
39:03Same drive. They still drive down to the three yard line and Robert Hainsey commits a hold that negates.
39:09They shot themselves in the foot in plus territory a lot in this game.
39:12It was for a lot of field goals as a result of it was more than it was in.
39:18When I framed it earlier, the offense did move the ball.
39:21It was just messy when they got it. They were fine.
39:24They couldn't get out of their own way. Anton Harrison negated a touchdown with a holding flag.
39:28And like I said, they did a lot of shit poorly in this game.
39:32Just sloppy mistakes. And it stood out to me that they overcame it anyway.
39:36Like you said, like to play like this on the road and negate turnovers, negate touchdown opportunities.
39:41Let the Bengals score points when you didn't, you know, when you had chances to snuff out drives.
39:46I thought it was so incredibly impressive. And then what?
39:48The Jags scored their final points of this game with seven minutes to play.
39:52And the Bengals had multiple opportunities to go steal it from them.
39:55And that's what I found myself thinking as the noon window wound to a close where I was like, well, Jags, you do stupid.
40:02You play stupid games. You win stupid prizes. Like even Parker Washington stepping out of bounds on the third and 10 that could have iced the game.
40:09It's like you have given the Bengals so many opportunities that in this league, that is how you lose road games.
40:15And for the Jags to not let that happen, I thought was incredibly impressive.
40:19I mean, shit, even on the final drive, Joe just went boom, boom, boom.
40:23First three plays of the Bengals, like last gas drive were all chunk gains.
40:27And they got down near the red zone and the Jags forced three incompletions.
40:31And then Ray on. Oh, goodness, I lost his name in my notes.
40:34Ray on lane. I think the safety who's not a player like he's never started for them, makes a phenomenal tackle on
40:40that fourth down to get him off the field and get the win.
40:44I just you're not supposed to survive this many mistakes in the NFL.
40:47And I think it speaks a lot of the Jags that they did.
40:51I mean, forcing the turnovers is what flipped the game.
40:54And these are plays where those turnovers are earned.
40:56I mean, the first one, Josh Heinz Allen gets immediate pressure in the interception that Joe Burrow throws in the two minute drill.
41:02And I think that you can explain it away a little bit because he was getting hit as he makes that throw.
41:08I think Jordan Lewis might have picked that ball off anyway.
41:11He was sitting right underneath it where Joe Burrow was trying to go with that ball.
41:16And it's just a reminder that even in a game again where Joe Burrow throws for 400 yards, there were some really nice moments.
41:22Derek, I'm glad you pointed that out about the whole shots.
41:25Like they were playing so much cloud coverage. He was willing to throw the ball into that area.
41:30There are more there are a handful of just bully ball T Higgins back shoulder throws in this game.
41:36Like the Bengals had their moments in the passing game.
41:38But I think there were still enough reminders of what sort of defensive team the Jags are.
41:43If you watch that interception, Antonio Johnson, they're in like a funky cover to look.
41:47And he takes the vertical on that play to take it away.
41:50And that's just something where this team, so rarely do you watch them guarding space in zone coverage.
41:55Like they are just so good at snuffing things out.
41:58And that play was a really good example of it.
42:01And so even if Joe's getting hit on that play, I still think there's a chance Jordan Lewis gets a hand on
42:07that ball or picks it off just because of how well gloved up everything was.
42:11And on the play before that, Antonio Johnson's the one that took away the vertical and that cover to look.
42:16He had a run stuff coming down on third down to make that on second down to make that third down when Joe throws the interception.
42:24And then he had another one that was a five yard loss in the first quarter flying downhill.
42:28So just everybody, Jerry and Jones had a really nice moment in coverage on that drive where the Bengals were down 1610.
42:35Then he was they try to throw another back shoulder ball on second and 10.
42:39He snuffed that out coverage or Hunter did a fantastic job on the out and up to Hinsley or to Tinsley on that third down.
42:45And so, again, even in a game where Joe Pro threw for 400 yards, I know Jamar Chase got hurt early on.
42:52But I still think that you feel the quality of the Jags defense over the course of these games, their ability to
42:58stop the run and then their ability to come up with enough plays in the secondary.
43:02It's just a good unit, in my opinion. It's a really good unit.
43:05And that is, again, why I wanted to bring up them kind of almost on purpose, allowing those whole shots compared to
43:12what we just talked about with the Texans. Right.
43:14Where it's a lot of dropped coverage, it's a lot of beaters for the stuff that they like to play.
43:19It's a lot of Dallas cooking up these special plays for as much as the Bengals were getting a lot of these chunk plays.
43:26It was either, like you said, T Higgins or some of the ancillary guys made really good plays like Myers had a
43:32really nice catch down at the end. Get sick.
43:35He had one. And so some of those guys just made plays.
43:38But it really was the Jaguars just saying, we're going to give you this prove to me that you can do something else to beat me.
43:45And they couldn't. And I thought that, again, for as crazy as the box store looks, I thought this was an incredibly impressive day for their defense.
43:52And like you're mentioning, like teams, when they prove to you they can win in a bunch of different ways.
43:58That is the sign of a contender. And a lot of times the last thing I wanted to say about how weird
44:04this game was, it's only one of 11 games since 2000 where a team has thrown for 400 passing yards and scored fewer than 20 points.
44:11It was just a really weird game overall from that sense, too.
44:14Do you remember the rendition of this game from last year when Joe Burrow got hurt and the Jags allowed a 92
44:20yard go ahead touchdown drive in the dying moments and they couldn't get off the field because of flags and miscommunications?
44:26And ironically, they won 13 games last year, so they wound up being a good team.
44:30But it's so easy to come up with ways to lose games like this when you can't get out of your own way or when you make mistakes.
44:38And yeah, I it matters to me that they want a clunker like this.
44:42Their offense is going to find some moments over the course of the game.
44:46They did it in this game again. The drive to go up 1610.
44:49The they had the fake toss gun from play action to Josh Cameron, who shook off Jordan battle coming downhill.
44:55It was a great yak play. They had a little flash play action where Brenton Strange kind of blocks down for a
45:01second, leaks out to the flat for 11 yards.
45:03And then their drive to go up 2310. It's a really cool design on a chunk plate of Brenton Strange and like a deep rap route.
45:10And then it's like a same side power to Chris Rodriguez for the touchdown with Colvin Lanham pulling.
45:15And it's the Colvin Lanham doesn't really block anybody.
45:18But because of the way that the run hits, Chris Rodriguez essentially goes untouched for 25 yards.
45:23It's actually a great job by Anton Harrison because I say, you know who blocks somebody and that's the reason that Van
45:29Landen didn't have anybody to block because he's supposed to kick it.
45:32They end that on the line of scrimmage, I assume.
45:35And because he crosses Harrison's face, he takes him in the moment.
45:38Which actually I thought that was a cool call from the Jaguars, because what the Bengals had been doing in this game was letting the end slice.
45:45And then they would fire a backer down into the sea gap so that they could get presence there for whatever they
45:51wanted to for some of the split zone stuff.
45:54And then the Jags run the speeder where we're like, we're just going to wash him if he's going to go inside anyway.
46:00Let's take the tackle, wash him all the way down.
46:03And then we're going to get this puller out where we want.
46:06Like that was one of those where you see the best play callers like find some little thing that the defense is
46:12trying to do to them and pick it apart for what was like literally the game winning touchdown.
46:17Like that ends the game for them effectively or at least lets them get into a comfortable position.
46:22Let's get to our next one here. After a week of Drake May panic discourse, the New England Patriots really kind of
46:28like salvage their season in a way by beating the Buffalo Bills today.
46:32Instead of going to one and three, the Pats now sit at two and two.
46:36The Bills are at three and one. Drake May, and we'll talk about it.
46:40A couple of frustrating moments yet again. But for the most part over the course of this game, a performance that looked
46:46a lot more like 2025 Drake May than what we have seen so far this year.
46:50Drake May and the New England Patriots offense after knocking off the Bills.
46:54You once again have our attention. They're back. My favorite son is back.
46:57He that I'm glad you said it was like 2025 because he still did silly shit sometimes in 2025.
47:02The fumbles, the trying to do a little bit too much every now and then.
47:06He's still doing a lot of that. He probably just got away with it a little bit more last year than than
47:12you would normally think a quarterback would be able to.
47:15So he has the strip sack in this game, which the strip sack is funny, too, because one, it's the small hands
47:21like this is going to be a thing with him probably for a majority of his career.
47:26It's just the way that he's built. But the thing about it is he kind of puts himself in those positions where
47:32on that play, the right guard is just getting pushed right into his face.
47:36And he tries to slide up into a pocket that is is non-existent.
47:39And so like he really didn't have a good answer there, but he's like sliding up into like the trash compactor from
47:45Star Wars and just lets himself get strip sack.
47:48And it's like we should maybe avoid that situation if we can, if we know that we're a player that is kind of prone to some of these.
47:56But at the same time, him being able to step up into trash like that and make those plays, it's why he
48:02had five or six incredible throws and plays this game that looked like last year's Drake May.
48:06His ability to find space and time in the pocket showed up over and over and over again in this game.
48:12You guys, you watch Parks and Rec, right? Of course.
48:15There's the episode where I'm an elder millennial. Of course I watched Parks and Rec.
48:19There's the episode where everyone's sick and Rob Lowe is just looking at the in the mirror and just like stop pooping.
48:25That's how I feel about Drake May, where I'm just sitting there and I'm like, stop fumbling.
48:30Just stop putting the ball on the ground. Other than that, other than that play, I am very into the performance that we saw from Drake May tonight.
48:37We set out to parse through this game just because like it's a wild finish.
48:41And what the hell happened in the second half here?
48:44And they were going back and forth down the stretch and rewatching it while we were getting ready for the show.
48:50I didn't go into it because, you know, everything's happening all at once in the early window.
48:54You can't catch everything when there's nine games on at the same time.
48:58I went into it not knowing full well what to expect.
49:01And halfway through the game, I was like, Drake, yes.
49:04Like, oh, my. Like, I felt like this wave of relief watching him make some of these throws.
49:09You know, both of the touchdowns to Romeo Dobbs were fine.
49:12I mean, the first one is the first touchdown to Romeo Dobbs.
49:15Rewatching it. My soul left my body. You did like you yelped very loudly rewatching that.
49:19So we're playing the clip right now. So the Patriots on this play are trying to run a fake screen to the
49:25right where they're getting guys down the field. The Bills glove it up in a lot of situations for a lot of quarterbacks.
49:32That play would be dead if you trying to fake that screen and throw the ball down the field is is taken away.
49:38Instead, Drake may get all the way back to the backside to Romeo Dobbs in a pocket that is condensing and rips that thing for a touchdown.
49:45Like that is an incredible play from him right there.
49:48Like and that he did a plenty of that stuff today.
49:51But that that was the moment rewatching this game where I was like, holy shit, that's an impressive play.
49:56Well, that's what felt like he was back. Like what, Robert or Dave, either of you, what do you think was most
50:02missing from the first three weeks of Drake May compared to last year?
50:06It was like he just wasn't making the I can fit it in there kind of throw.
50:11And he did decisiveness. Yes, if you want to arrogance.
50:13Yes, because like I think trying to fit that Dobbs throw in there, I think that's a little crazy.
50:19But he's willing to do like getting to the backside skinny post like that in the red zone is like that is big boy NFL quarterback.
50:26He had that throw. He was taking a shot from Rousseau as he throws that ball.
50:30He gets obliterated as he lets that thing go.
50:33Yeah. And he was doing that again all game.
50:35And so you get the one moment where you get strip sack.
50:38But like I said, there were 10 other plays where that was worth it to you.
50:43And I think the other one where I really felt that where I was like, oh, he he believes that he can do this again.
50:50And he's playing like he did last year was it was the second quarter, about eight minutes and 15 seconds left.
50:55Matt Collins like starts to bend in over and snaps it back off into the corner.
51:00It's not really open. And Drake is like, I'll get it in there anyway.
51:04And he puts it just over the top for Matt Collins to go make a play.
51:08And it was like, OK, between the touchdown, him making that throw.
51:11He made three or four other ones in this game that were just like tight window have to fit it in there
51:17like this looks like the player that he was for a lot of last season.
51:21And I know the first three weeks were disgusting.
51:24I feel pretty confident believing that this version of Drake May is much more reality than whatever the first three weeks of the season were.
51:31He had a throw and I apologize to our wonderful producer, Katie.
51:34I forgot to give it to her ahead of time.
51:37But like at the very beginning of the third quarter in the stat sheet, it's a six yard game.
51:42But it was second and seven beginning of the third quarter.
51:45And they like they motion Henry across. So it's like three guys on one side and Dobbs just runs like an out to the sticks.
51:52But the whole play collapses and Drake has to bail out of the pocket.
51:56He's on the minus 18 and throws a ball to the 30 on the run and just puts it right on Dobbs,
52:02like just lasers it right to him. And it sets up a third and one.
52:06It doesn't look remarkable on the stat sheet at all.
52:09But I was like, holy shit, that a that was an incredible throw, like on the run, six yards behind the line of scrimmage.
52:15And B, yeah, that's the type of shit that was missing that turns that into an easy third and one instead of third and seven.
52:22And you're getting off the field right at the start of the third quarter.
52:26I thought he did an incredible job buying time just subtly with sliding in the pocket, just find it by himself a little bit more time and space.
52:34And then the other thing just with his legs.
52:36I mean, how many big scrambles did he have in this game?
52:39That was the other element that looked a lot like what he was doing last year.
52:44And so just a really, really impressive game. And we haven't talked about that last drive.
52:48I mean, on that last drive, again, keeps his eyes downfield while he's sliding to the left to find Dobbs for a completion.
52:54Hits a deep wrapper out to Chisholm down the field.
52:57And then the catch that Chisholm makes that one hit a catch to win the game.
53:01I mean, just ridiculous on multiple levels. Yeah, just another one where he's he's buying just a little bit of time to his right.
53:08We're playing it right now. If you guys are watching, just buying a little bit of time to his right.
53:14And then it fits that thing in there. And just what a catch by F and Chesom.
53:18My God, Derek was just watching it in wonderment right there.
53:21I it's it was one of the coolest plays of the day.
53:25And the fact that that is like not supposed to be a player who was like really going to be in their
53:31plans this year is another incredible part of it.
53:33But I was just really excited to see because I think.
53:36The fact, too, that we got this version of Drake May back before A.J.
53:40Brown is back, that makes me feel very, very happy.
53:43And we'll see what he looks like when he gets back.
53:46But I'm glad we got there before A.J. Brown had come back.
53:49As somebody who invested heavily in what the Patriots could be this year, like I said, it was by like the third
53:55quarter of this game, there was just relief washing over my body where it's like, OK, I don't know how many games
54:01the Patriots are going to win, but they don't look like a disaster against a good team.
54:06A team that was three or no heading into this game.
54:09So let's talk about that team. There are a few things that jump out to me about the bills in this game.
54:15Derek, the point the play you pointed out where he gets all the way back to Hollins, that that plays on the backside where Hollins runs.
54:22That little crosser returned. That is deep into the play.
54:25The exact same situation as him getting all the way to the backside on the Dobbs touchdown.
54:29If you look at the stat sheet in this game, next gen had May pressured on 43 percent of his dropbacks.
54:35That's very misleading in terms of what the game actually felt like down to down.
54:39He had a lot of time in the pocket consistently.
54:42So if you actually look at the numbers, even though he was pressured 43 percent of the time, a lot of that is coming deeper into the play.
54:49The bills only had three quick pressures on the day.
54:52Per next gen. Two guys had more than two pressures.
54:55Rousseau and I can't remember who the other defensive lineman was.
54:58It doesn't really matter. Both of those guys that had more than two pressures, their average time to pressure was more than three seconds.
55:05And so the pass rush really was not affecting this game consistently, even if the pressure numbers look good over the course of the game.
55:11That's one area of concern for the bills and just the bills defense and where it stands right now.
55:17Then the other area of concern is they shot themselves in the foot multiple times on offense again.
55:22I mean, Josh Allen gets away with that backhanded flip at the goal line.
55:25There's no there's no reason he got away with that.
55:28There are plenty of guys in range to pick that off as he's doing that.
55:32It wouldn't even been a safety anyway. So him doing that in that moment and then the throw late in the game is just completely unnecessary.
55:39Like you just don't need to do that in that moment.
55:42They just like take a beat here to if you watch it back to.
55:46At the very beginning of the play, he thinks the corner is going to be open.
55:51And I think if he's able to throw it at the very top of his drop, it might be open.
55:56But then he has to evade a rusher. He like spins out of it and he like plans to throw it again.
56:02And there's nothing in his mind that tells him it's been a little bit too long for me to go and try to make that throw again.
56:10And he just tries to make it anyway. And it's obviously incomplete.
56:13Like with the amount of timeouts they had time, they had it was only, I think, second and six or something like that.
56:19Like there was really no reason for him to make some of those plays.
56:23The other thing I think that was weird to me about this game, the first two games of the season, they ran
56:29over everybody out of the same formation, basically, which was like the five man surface to one side, weak zone the other way, all whatever.
56:36They've like gotten away from that. And I don't know if that's like they want to diversify their game plan and their playbook as the season goes on.
56:44And so they're tinkering with stuff. But it's just like their run game the past couple of weeks has been a little
56:50bit worse than the first couple of weeks because I think part of that.
56:53And when you and the way they're running the ball was impressive in the way they felt over the first three games,
56:59there are a couple of things that stood out to me about it and why the offense just felt different.
57:05One, I just thought that Josh Allen was seeing it extremely well over the first couple of games.
57:10That has been less reliable over the last couple of weeks, I would say.
57:14It hasn't felt nearly as clean. You talk about some of the run game stuff.
57:18The other thing is that they were just cooking people off play action.
57:21The amount of play action that they were using compared to what they had done in previous years, they were, I think,
57:27number one or number two in the league and under center play action rate, which even with the construction of their offense
57:33the last couple of seasons and under center run team, they weren't a heavy play action team.
57:38In this game, they used play action on 23 percent of Josh Allen's dropbacks.
57:42He was six of seven for one hundred and three yards and a perfect passer rating.
57:46The average 14.7 yards per attempt. They did it seven times.
57:49They also just didn't run the ball very much in this game, like for a for a game that was never out of whack.
57:56This is James Cook's lowest carry total since the end of the twenty twenty four season.
58:00Twelve carries. And like it was it was working.
58:03You had a sixty seven percent rushing success rate as a team.
58:06They had a fifty three percent rushing success rate.
58:09I thought and I know this is the type of shit that you can do when a team loses a game where
58:15you just nitpick every aspect of it. But for James Cook to feel like an afterthought, in my opinion, for the most
58:21part, and then obviously Dalton Kincaid getting two targets, which Joe Brady himself said, what the hell was I doing?
58:26Why did I do that? That's the other thing that stood out about the first couple weeks is that Dalton Kincaid was
58:32the most important pass catcher on the team. Dalton Kincaid was off to this amazing start and he got two targets in
58:38this game and at least one, if not both of them were like late in the game.
58:43And so, like I said, it's easy to pick that shit apart after the game is already over.
58:48But both of those guys are way too good to be as not implemented as they were in this game.
58:53It's a frustrating moment. I mean, Josh Palmer drops that deep ball that he probably should catch down the field, which was kind of bizarre play.
59:00The weirdest way that I've ever seen someone try to catch a football in my life.
59:05It was so underthrown. He didn't know what to do with it.
59:08Like, it was just kind of a weird play overall, but he almost short circuited his brain the way that ball came out of Josh Allen's hand.
59:15That's the thing. Like, I don't fully blame him for it.
59:18Like, it was coming in weird. Like, he's having to come back 20 yards to go and get that thing.
59:24Like, it was a weird play, but I've never seen someone attack a football the way that he tried to attack it.
59:30Was that the one? I think that was, I mean, yes, he should have caught that.
59:34I'm pretty sure that was the one that got negated by Deion Dawkins holding a guy anyway, right?
59:39Right? Because Deion Dawkins had a rough day. He did.
59:42In this game as well. Like, he had a holding call.
59:45He had a hands to the face call in the red zone.
59:48And Gabe Ackes ran over him on that one play.
59:51I was going to say he got his ass whipped.
59:54Elijah Ponder got him on an early. I think actually, ironically, it was on a play action.
59:58But yeah, not a not a wonderful day for a guy that you can typically count on.
60:03Yeah. The Bills offense is likely going to be fine.
60:06I, the things that worry me are just why the fact that we still have like these couple of Josh Allen moments
60:12in these games that are close is just, it's frustrating.
60:15I mean, it's, he's a phenomenal player. We see what he can do at his best.
60:19And then to have those couple of moments consistently, you just, you wish that just wasn't just a feature of who he
60:25is as a player at this point in his career.
60:28But it's still kind of seems to be. And there's really no explaining that away.
60:32Like for as good as he is game in and game out, the fact that they probably still should have won this
60:38game based on how well the offense played down to down is just doesn't negate the fact that we have a couple of these every single week.
60:45And the defense is struggling right now. Like the mistakes on offense, the fact that you're going to still have a couple of them each week, apparently.
60:53And then what the way the defense is playing, it's frustrating.
60:56But my takeaway from this game is much more about the overall quality from the Patriots offense and the quarterback than it is anything Buffalo related.
61:03I guess outside of, is it time for defense panic, but we're still four weeks into the season with a new coordinator.
61:09Like I'm not there yet. How much does it do for you?
61:12And Derek, I would love your answer on this.
61:15How much does it do for you that Keon Coleman's starting to look like the lights coming on?
61:20Is it too small of a sample size to be excited about that?
61:23Cause he made some dope plays in this game.
61:26I don't think so. Like I do, at least, I don't know.
61:29He's probably never going to be as good as I wanted him to be coming out of Florida state, but if he
61:35can actually be a more functional part of the offense and we can get Dalton Kincaid back in the fold and we
61:41can find ourselves in the run game, which like, even when the bills have been really good at the past, like even
61:47last year, they had a two or three week stretch where the run game was not very good before they had to like refine it again.
61:54And like, that's just going to happen. And I trust that they can find those peaks again.
61:59And so if Keon Coleman is actually going to the one crazy play where he like bobbles it up to himself and
62:05catches it, like that's kind of just randomness. But there were a couple of other actual downfield shots where they're willing to
62:11throw him like those deep posts and stuff like that.
62:14Some of the same like Josh Palmer routes. And that to me is like meaningful signal that they do think that he
62:20can be a useful part of this thing by the end of it.
62:23Bill's played. Dalton Kincaid ran 17 routes in this game.
62:26I just don't understand that. It's they put seven plays of 13 personnel, 13 percent of their plays, which again, is just
62:32such a departure from what they were doing in the early part of the year.
62:36And then the other thing to mention, DJ Moore did get hurt in this game.
62:40So DJ Moore was only out there for about half of the bills passing plays.
62:44But again, I don't I don't think that's the reason that the bills lost this game.
62:49All right. We're going to move on to some of the stuff that was not as exciting in week four.
62:54But first, we are going to take a quick break.
62:57What the? Let's get to a couple of the lesser performances from this week.
63:01We were going to put the Niners in. You have my attention and the Niners deserve that.
63:05Right. The Niners are four. No, we talk about teams winning in different ways.
63:09The fact that they were able to win this game when their offense wasn't rolling.
63:13I think the Niners have proven to be a very good team.
63:17But going back and rewatching the Broncos offense in this game, there are very few teams in the league when they're playing
63:23as the worst version of themselves that are more frustrating for me to watch than the Denver Broncos offense.
63:28And today was kind of an all timer. Bo Nix in this game averaged 4.6 air yards per attempt was negative three average air yards to the sticks.
63:36And there are a couple of plays. I was rewatching it and literally turning around my computer to talk to Dave about
63:42them as I was rewatching them because of how frustrating they were in the moment.
63:46But the Broncos offense, when they're in this mode, kind of gross.
63:49It's pretty disgusting. And today was another one of those games.
63:52And so not trying to take away any credit from the Niners who are four and oh, and we will talk about
63:58them and why they won this game. But the Denver Broncos and their offense.
64:02What the man? You know, the worst part about the Bo Nix, like the the air yards and all that stuff.
64:08It's not that it's just them calling screens or just them calling quick game.
64:11He holds on to the ball on real drop back concepts and then checks it down or he immediately or he's throwing
64:18the swing or he's like immediately just trying to get to the shout.
64:21Like almost like like, you know, we talk about like the Aaron Rodgers, like performative deep balls.
64:26Bo Nix is like performatively holding on to the ball just so that he can get to eventually get to the running back check down.
64:33In front of the ball, like it just feels like that happens all too often where he's not really trying to progress the play.
64:39He's just like, well, they're kind of playing shell coverage.
64:42I guess I'm just going to check this down immediately.
64:45And like I do think that that part is true.
64:47Like the Niners were, I think, playing on top of everything and saying, hey, you got to make these throws.
64:53If you're an NFL quarterback for a team that is supposed to have like AFC championship caliber, you know, aspirations, you need
64:59a quarterback who's at least willing to try it.
65:01And I think the fact that we just have too many of these games and moments where he's not willing to be
65:07aggressive and ambitious until the game is like absolutely on the line in the fourth quarter.
65:12That I think is really, really concerning to me.
65:14And this was they've had some games like this, like, you know, the Raiders game like this felt like that last year.
65:20The commanders game, I think, to an extent, this really might have been the worst one like on that front.
65:26But he averaged 4.6 yards per attempt. He averaged 3.0 time to throw per next gen.
65:30That's hard to do in an NFL game. Like, you wonder how does that happen?
65:34The answer is exactly how this game unfolded for Bonex.
65:37And I think people are going to there. It's a combination of two things at once.
65:41OK, it is a staff that probably leans into a lot of the screens and the underneath stuff way more than they should.
65:48The most frustrating play collectively from this game for the Broncos.
65:51It's third and 10. This was the play that unanimously disgusted all three of us at the same time, like alive in the moment.
65:57It's third and 10 with at the beginning of the third quarter.
66:01They throw a screen. They get eight yards on the screen.
66:04And on fourth and two, they kick the field goal.
66:06Everything about that is confusing to me. Like, why throw the screen on third and 10?
66:11Eight yards on that play. Are you expecting more than what you got there?
66:15Or are you just giving up? It's a gorgeous play call if your goal is to go for it on fourth and two from the plus 22.
66:22The sheer amount of times, though, they're doing that on third and long.
66:26I mean, they did it multiple times again in this game.
66:29And that's often how they operate. So that, I think, feeds into the worst impulses of the offense.
66:34But that's not it. The most frustrating... That was a frustrating play just in terms of process, in terms of decision-making in the moment.
66:40The most frustrating play of the game for me, there was a first and 20 in the third quarter.
66:45And the Broncos are running like dagger. And it's coming open.
66:48And you watch it coming open. And instead of throwing it on first and 20, which you're trying to get a chunk
66:54back, he turns it down and throws the check down right in front of Fred Warner.
66:59And it gets knocked incomplete. I just don't... And there's...
67:01He has plenty of time to throw that ball.
67:04Like, plenty of time. And it just happens way too often.
67:07Where we talk about... Like, Drake may get into the backside of some of those throws.
67:11I don't know the last time I ever saw Bo Nix get all the way back to some of those throws.
67:17Beyond the ambition, it's just... The decisions... The decision is made so early in the play where the ball is going.
67:23If it's not the check down. The only time a decision is happening late in the play is when he's trying to check it down.
67:30And that's why that throw he made to Waddle, I think it was in the Jags game, it felt like seeing a unicorn.
67:36Because it just doesn't happen. And consistently in this game, there were examples like that that just weren't happening.
67:41And it's just a really frustrating offense to watch.
67:44Because the limitations of it are so real in the moment.
67:47And I think that this was another example of that today.
67:50And that's where it gets difficult for me to like...
67:52How much can you untie it from the play calling?
67:55Because I think that is the lasting image in my mind of Bo Nix.
67:59Is you have a dig route coming open. He says, I'm going to throw the check down anyway.
68:04Like, he just does that sort of thing a lot.
68:07And even plays that he makes later in the down are not from the pocket.
68:11He will get outside of the pocket. And he did have a couple of those plays in the game.
68:16But if you're going to play that way, you need eight of them.
68:20Not two of them. And I think that that is kind of the issue that they had in this game.
68:25And then tying it back to the play calling, it's like, well, the offense is trying to get these chunks.
68:31They're calling some of these plays. And so at a certain point, if he's not going to throw them, you just get frustrated.
68:37And you're like, well, f*** it. Then I guess we will call a bunch of swing screens and escort screens.
68:42And we'll just call double slants this play. And we'll throw another RPO.
68:46It's like, we'll boot him out. So he'll throw it.
68:49Like, at a certain point, you just have to call what is going to be thrown.
68:53And I think that that puts the play callers in a really difficult position.
68:57Whereas, like, at least last year, Sean Payton has done this for such a long time with so many quarterbacks.
69:02Davis Webb now having to take this over. And, like, this isn't even an indictment of him.
69:07That's just, like, a difficult position to be in when you are that limited in terms of what the menu is going to be.
69:14That's such a bleak thought. Like, halfway through the game, it's like, all right, call the s*** that he'll throw.
69:19This isn't, this is not working. It's the Broncos offense isn't a nightmare week in and week out.
69:24So, yeah, plenty of games where they look pretty good.
69:27And it's like, oh, man, like, this thing probably does have enough juice combined with the defense for them to do something.
69:33It's just, it's so inconsistent. Like, it just, there are certain games where it just looks like this, where they just refuse
69:39to attack certain areas of the field. They had one completion beyond 10 air yards today.
69:43One. And I think it was outside the pocket.
69:46I don't think it was, like, in structure. Yes.
69:48You can't live offense that way if you're not going to throw down the field in the pocket.
69:53It's just not going to work. Three completions on the day for Bo Nix beyond the line of scrimmage and between the numbers.
69:59And those completions gained 14 yards. The Niners do deserve some credit.
70:03I think there are a few different defensive players that stuck out to me.
70:07Part of this is Diamant or Lenore eating up Courtland Sutton one-on-one on the outside and taking away those opportunities.
70:12Because that's where Bo Nix wants to go with the ball, right?
70:15I have my one-on-one on the outside. I'm going to take it.
70:19And Lenore consistently was winning in those situations throughout this game.
70:22Malik Mustafa had a beautiful PBU late in the second quarter, driving downhill on Evan Ingram.
70:26Even that throw, though, is late. And so that's the reason that he's able to get in and play that, even come
70:32into play and make a play on that ball.
70:34So the Niners defense does deserve plenty of credit.
70:37Lenore, specifically, I thought, really did a good job while he was playing on the outside before Upton Stout got banged up and he had to move inside.
70:45And then on offense, if you keep the game close, even if you're doing a relatively decent job against this team, considering
70:51how they move the ball in the first few games, they're going to find opportunities.
70:55Like, they're going to hit four or five of these over the course of the day.
70:59And that's exactly what happened. I mean, you talk about being able to get to the backside and hitting deep inbreakers.
71:05The one that Purdy hits the Evans late in the second quarter, that thing gets let go so, so early for him to make that completion.
71:12That's the drive where they end up kicking a field goal.
71:15It's the same drive where they had that really sweet use check slant off the fake screen, which was an incredibly cool design.
71:21So that's, again, a couple of those moments. He finds use check after extending in the fourth quarter on that same drive.
71:27It's like a deep curl to Mike Evans. And then the design to set up the touchdown for 17-6 was like a
71:33Mike Evans insert play action where he gets lost on the left sideline, which is really, really well done.
71:39And then obviously when you can spit a middle screen to your tight end and have him take it 60 yards for
71:45a touchdown, it's a good place to be as an offense.
71:48The tight end coming off of an ACL injury, by the way, like the fact that he has Achilles, Achilles, sorry.
71:53Achilles eight and a half months ago. The fact that he has as much gas as he does is completely insane to me.
72:00And I think what the other really frustrating part about the Broncos offense, the way that they were calling it and playing
72:06it, I thought for three quarters, that Broncos defense played about as well as you can hope against the 49ers.
72:11They were limiting. They made them. They turned them into like an average offense, which like if you can do that to
72:17Kyle Shanahan and this offense like that is you take that every single time.
72:21Like I thought some of the stuff they were trying to limit explosives in the run game was good.
72:26Stuff to really get that to pop. The passing game was really not good until the fourth quarter.
72:31Like they were doing a really good job of they were still getting away with man coverage.
72:36And even that might have only fallen away because Patrick Chetain gets hurt in this game and Riley Moss was questionable and
72:42like ended up being hurt in this game. And so the fact that they squandered what was like to me, I thought
72:48a really impressive Broncos defensive performance, because the one thing I want to give them credit for there, this is a Niners
72:54team that especially in the run game, all they want to do is how can we hit the sea gap?
73:00How can we get this thing to stretch? How can we go over there?
73:03And I thought the Denver Broncos consistently did a good job of finding ways to fire somebody in there.
73:09Like there was a third and one where they fire Hufanga in their forces to play to cut back to the middle.
73:15Well, that's where the Niners don't have an advantage in the run game against this team.
73:19And it gets stopped and they have to end up punting.
73:22And so I thought they played really well. But like you said, eventually the title wave is going to hit if you
73:28let them hang around in a game like this.
73:30I do want to say to that point, Bo Nix didn't play well.
73:34I'm not defending that aspect of it, but you lose Sertan and Moss in this game.
73:38They lost Pat Bryant, too, after like one of their best offensive plays of the day.
73:43I think they got screwed a little bit. I don't agree with the Marvin Mims turn like the muff punt call.
73:49Oh, yeah, that's true. I don't I don't agree with what happened there where like, yes, his his wrist hit down before his elbow.
73:55And if you slow it down, you can tell that maybe that's a fumble.
73:59But by the spirit of what was going on there, I think he's down.
74:03And so do you want to play a drag them to hell game where you win nine to six and it looks that ugly?
74:09Absolutely not. But what they were doing against the Niners shorthanded was incredibly impressive.
74:13And San Francisco was punting out of their own red zone when that happened.
74:17And all of a sudden they get to the plus twenty eight because of a special teams gaffe, which in my humble opinion, wasn't actually a gaffe.
74:24And that changes the whole dynamic of this thing from the late third quarter onward.
74:29So if I had to guess, I think the Niners find a way to win anyway, because they're often they were just a more well-rounded team.
74:36But I do think that it sucks that that break is sort of what tipped the scales and got the snowball rolling towards San Francisco.
74:43That I do agree with. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's that's one where, again, we've said it in real time.
74:48The letter of the law, I can understand why it's a fumble.
74:51But you watch that play a thousand times. The forearm probably touches down and it's probably down.
74:56I in the spirit of what was happening, I don't think that should be a turnover, but it is what it is.
75:02Let's get to our next one here. Speaking of ugly games, the Rams somehow beat the Eagles today.
75:07Twenty four to twenty, despite them trying to lose that game in a myriad of ways which we can talk about.
75:13Part of it is the Eagles inability to convert any third down ever.
75:16Ninety three total yards for Jalen Hurts, who goes twelve of twenty seven.
75:20The Eagles averaged three yards per play. They go oh of twelve on third down.
75:24Honestly, this entire game, what the was happening? It was raining early on, too, and like through a lot of this game,
75:30which like this game was disgusting in about every way that a football game could possibly be disgusting, because you get the
75:36worst version of the Eagles who are already down.
75:39Like obviously, Devonta Smith did not play in this game.
75:41Dallas Goddard has has been missing. Saquon Barkley early on in this game gets banged up.
75:46And so that's not necessarily excuse making, but it's like Lane Johnson didn't play in this game.
75:50We know the land of Dickerson was hurt. You really felt that over the course of the day.
75:55It was rough. Like this was basically not the Eagles offense that you think that they are when you just look at the depth chart in week one.
76:03And so I'll give them like a little bit of grace for that, but still arriving at a point where not only
76:09over twelve on third down, but only one of four on fourth down.
76:13So you had sixteen conversion down opportunities and converted one of them like that is that is going to lose you the
76:19football game every single time, which the proof of that is.
76:22They shouldn't have. They should have won. That's the crazy part about this.
76:25The Rams played a game that absolutely did not deserve to win either.
76:29And they just in the fourth quarter were able to buckle up with the offense and like were able to drive down.
76:35And like I just thought this was another game where by halftime I was like, man, it does not feel like the
76:41Rams are going to be able to turn this around.
76:43It doesn't feel like their day weather's bad. Stafford doesn't look right.
76:47Devontae Adams can't catch the ball today and the Eagles just kept letting them hang around, which that's the last thing I want to say.
76:54The best versions of the Eagles feel like they keep teams in it and then finally choke them out in the fourth quarter.
77:00The worst version of the Eagles is they stumble around in games they should win until the fourth quarter and then they somehow just lose it all.
77:07Saying they felt like the Rams are going to lose it at halftime with 1416 left in the game.
77:13Stafford throws incomplete to Tyler Higby on fourth and eight.
77:15The Eagles run the ball nine times in a row.
77:18Nine times. Thank you, Mr. Rooney. Okay, including a scramble.
77:21So that was a called pass, but Jalen Hurts takes off.
77:24They get down inside the five. It's third and two.
77:27On that third and two play, Hurts bobbles the handoff because Cam Juergens hits him while going in motion.
77:32He hits him while he's trying to hand the ball off.
77:35So there's no handoff that even happens. If you look at that play, you have three Eagles getting insane movement on one Rams defender.
77:41It's probably going in for a touchdown. Instead, it's fourth and two.
77:45Byron Young gets a pressure on that play. The Eagles do not score.
77:48And then the Rams, the door is open. They go down.
77:51They score to make it 20 to 17, including some just ridiculous plays.
77:55He made a back shoulder play against Jihad Campbell.
77:57That's just a crazy catch. Double move by Puka, who does a great job coming back to like a severely underthrown ball with Stafford's getting hit.
78:04And then Kyron Williams is short on a second down completion.
78:07It should be third and one. The Eagles get a personal foul.
78:11Rams go down and score. Then it's 20 to 17.
78:13Game is now very much in play. And the Rams somehow claw their way back into it.
78:18And so even with everything that we're talking about with the offense, if that play doesn't happen, where Cam Juergens hits Jalen
78:24Hurts when he's trying to hand that ball off on third and two, there's a very good chance the Eagles win this game.
78:30That's how many mistakes the Rams made. We're having the other version of the Eagles conversation.
78:35Yeah. To Derek's point, there's two ways this go.
78:37We're doing the what the fuck just happened. How did you lose this game?
78:41How did you not convert a third down? There's an alternate universe where the Eagles win this game.
78:46What? Twenty seven to ten. And it's like we look like dog shit and we beat the Super Bowl favorites by three scores.
78:52And we're not going to apologize for anything, which is something we've done a lot after Eagles games.
78:57And for it to be what was their like their their win probability was 96 percent to be at a 96 percent
79:03win probability for a vintage, ugly, dominant Eagles win.
79:06And then get the other version of an Eagles game in such a short amount of time was a crazy swing.
79:12The other little bit about the Rams. They tried to give you back the game at the end in the exact way
79:18the Rams always do, which is they they get the game to within three.
79:21They make that score, whatever, whichever touchdown that was.
79:24And then they kick the ball out of bounds and it gives the Eagles the ball at I think the 40.
79:30I'm like, how are we making mistakes like this?
79:32Obviously, Miva said even he missed like a 48 yarder early in this game, too.
79:36So it's like in all of the ways that the Rams typically give up games that they should win, which is like
79:42by the special teams and doing stupid shit at the end.
79:45They still tried to do that. And the Eagles still couldn't get over the finish line.
79:50Keep harping on it, Derek. I'm not going to let this Ram special team shit go.
79:54I've got it. I've got it all. Well, first of all, the Rams also tried to give it away on the last
80:00drive because Stafford tried to throw a pick to Jonathan Jones that he dropped.
80:04So that didn't happen. Throw that on the pile.
80:06Rams Stafford throws a pick on the first drive on an overthrow.
80:10Second drive, I think Davis Davis Allen gets a hold to make it second and 16.
80:14They force a foot field goal. Third and one Morrow Jomo blows up a play by crossing Coleman Shelton's face.
80:20Britton Covey returns a punt to the Rams 17 yard line with six and a half minutes left in the second quarter.
80:26So the Eagles have to go 18 yards for a touchdown.
80:29That was the Darius Cooper mossing a guy play, which could have been a pick easily.
80:33OK, Stafford overthrows Puka for an interception with 19 seconds left in the half.
80:37The Eagles then score on that drive following a pass interference.
80:40That was a swing that probably could have changed the entire game.
80:43Stafford misses Devontae Adams on a double move with 13 minutes left.
80:46Harrison Meeves misses a field goal with seven minutes left in the third quarter.
80:50And then they kick the ball out of bounds at the end of the game.
80:54I just like what in any world where the Eagles offense can do anything in this game, the Rams lose and should
81:00lose based on how ugly this thing was for them for most of it.
81:04Decisively, they lose. I mean, they almost lost decisively in this version of the game.
81:08I Jalen Hurts did not play well. Like there were moments.
81:11There was one very similar to the bone next play where Jalen Hurts just has a wrapper out coming wide open at
81:17one point in the game and just refuses to throw it.
81:20And that that stuff is drives me crazy. But when you look at the environmental factors with the Eagles offense in this
81:26game, it's hard to have any sort of shot.
81:29Fifty seven point six percent pressure rate for the Rams per next gen on a sixty one percent blitz rate.
81:34They played man 40 percent of the time in this game.
81:37Hurts goes four of 11 for 46 yards on that on those plays.
81:41The Eagles finished with a thirty six percent offensive success rate with the state of the offensive line with no Devontae Adams.
81:47Like it it was going to be really, really tough sledding for Jalen Hurts no matter what.
81:52So I I'm not going to lay this at his feet.
81:55This is just an overall offensive failure from Philadelphia in part because of how shorthanded they were.
81:59But that's what it took for the Rams to claw their way back into this thing because of how many self-inflicted wounds the Rams had.
82:06Imagine Sean McVay's internal monologue at like multiple points.
82:09Did you see him after the cam curl play?
82:11Yes. He lost his mind. I think that was a situation where late in the game I felt I'm I'm sure after
82:17that Higby play happens, there are a lot of thousand yard stairs happening on that Ram sideline.
82:22And I will say that's why they deserve credit for those last couple drives for them to actually pull themselves back into this thing and win it.
82:29They deserve credit for that. But for 50 minutes, this thing looked really, really ugly yet again.
82:34Like this team is out of sorts. Even if they manage to win this game, they are out of sorts.
82:39Absolutely. And all but also if we haven't mentioned it by name, the second and goal run that Kyron had to take
82:45the lead like he had a lot of great plays in this game.
82:49It was it was a top three play of Sunday.
82:52I know we've said a lot of things that happened today were great, but the way he just mossed half of Philly's
82:58defense to take the lead was it was so cool.
83:00The stiff arm to get Jeremiah Trotter on the ground.
83:03But then also as that's happening, he puts his foot in the ground and gets upfield and makes Cooper Dejean miss and then shakes off two more guys.
83:11It's an awesome play. He was really good in the passing game today.
83:14Like he was a crucial player. Kyron Williams was for the Rams to win this game beyond him scoring that final touchdown.
83:20And you felt Puka too. If Puka doesn't play in this game, the Rams have absolutely no shot.
83:25All right, let's get to the last one here.
83:28The Chicago Bears beat the New York Jets 23 to 12 today.
83:31And I'm not saying that usually in when we do teams in this segment, it's teams that should know better, should be better.
83:37I'm not saying that the Jets losing this game is something they should have done or we should be mad at the Jets losing this game.
83:45The WTF framing on this is mostly just of how really weird of a game it was.
83:49Like what the was this game? The Bears had more first downs than the Jets ran plays in this football game.
83:55That is a real thing that happened. What a bizarre game all the way across the board.
84:00Do we know if that's ever happened before? Like where a team had more?
84:03There's got to be someone who knows this information somewhere.
84:06There are so many stats coming out of this game where I'm dying to know what the precedent is.
84:11And I just I'm sure somebody will get to the bottom of it.
84:15But putting the show together on Sunday afternoon, I just didn't have enough time.
84:19But just what a ridiculous game. And I we needed to highlight it because if you're not if you're not watching everything
84:25closely, you're like, oh, the Bears covered with a backup quarterback at home against the Jets.
84:29For 23 points. Whatever. Oh, this wasn't interesting. And honestly, that might have been how I felt about this if I didn't
84:35work on a show in Chicago with Bears fans.
84:38And this game was like front and center all day during the early window.
84:42And you look up and you're like, holy shit, have the Jets had the ball at all in this entire game?
84:47Yeah, they had it for 17 minutes. Which I did look that I was able to get to get that stat.
84:5317 minutes and 15 seconds of possession is the fourth lowest total of the last decade.
84:57The Josh Johnson commanders had less than that in 2018.
85:00Ironically, the Alex Smith Chiefs had a lower time playing the Jets.
85:04And then this didn't register for me. Tyler Shuck's debut against the Rams last year.
85:08The Saints only had the ball for 16 minutes and seven seconds.
85:11That tracks every Rams drive was just a march to the end zone.
85:14But rare air in terms of just not having the football.
85:18The New York Jets did not have the football in this game.
85:21Second time in the Super Bowl era that a team's had more first downs than their opponent had played.
85:26Second time in the Super Bowl era. So the last 56 years.
85:29That's unbelievable. I'm also going to guess, too, the other game was in like 1978 or something ridiculous.
85:34Without having known that, that's my that's my guess.
85:37It's not this is not historic. But as far as this season goes, the Bears had nine point eight nine plays per
85:43drive in this game, which is the most of any game by any team this season.
85:47And that's also if you remember, like they had the DeAndre Swift fumble, which was only like two or three plays into one of those drives.
85:54And then the Tyson Bayesian inner Tyson Bayesian interception, which was also only a couple of plays into one of those drives.
86:00So like every time they didn't turn the ball over, it was like a 12 play drive.
86:05And most of them scored some amount of points.
86:07How did they only score 23 points? Well, they had a fourth.
86:11They had a failed fourth and one on the goal line.
86:14And they didn't have that many explosive plays. I will say they got bailed out a few different times in this game.
86:20I mean, the illegal hands to the face, I believe, on the screen that was intercepted by Trevandre Sweat.
86:25That's one that you got bailed out. There were a couple other defensive penalties.
86:29Tyson Bayesian threw two more interceptions that got wiped off.
86:32The first one's a free play. That ball's not getting thrown unless there's an offsides.
86:36That one, that's not. The idea that that should count in any way, even optically, doesn't make any sense to me.
86:41And then even the third interception that he threw that, I guess it was fourth.
86:46The fourth interception that he threw, three of which did not count, was a defensive hold where the player he was trying
86:52to throw the ball to absolutely got held. And so there were two, I think, legitimate Tyson and Bayesian interceptions in this
86:58game, one of which was wiped off. A couple other plays that drives get extended because of defensive penalties.
87:03Even when you take all that into account, the just ownership the Bears offense had of this game, essentially from the start
87:09with a backup quarterback in again, it's just kind of remarkable.
87:12Like their ability to look like this on offense and just be this efficient, this, I mean, they looked like a machine.
87:18I mean, just the ability to run the ball to the degree that they did.
87:22They ran, they gained over five, they gained 492 yards of offense.
87:25They ran the ball for what? Like 250 again?
87:28I thought it was 232. 230. They ran the ball for 232 yards.
87:31And the offensive line is what jumped out to me today.
87:34The offensive line was excellent in this game. The way they ran the ball, but also the pass protection just throughout was so, so good.
87:41Every skill position player chipped in in some way.
87:44Obviously, Mononga is a monster day. Odunza had a couple really nice moments.
87:47Burton and Loveland got involved throughout this entire game.
87:50I mean, just the ability to control the game in this way two weeks in a row with backup quarterbacks playing.
87:55And, you know, the Jets are the Jets. I think that people are going to look at the logo and be like, oh, this isn't impressive.
88:03The Jets have been a solid football team so far this season.
88:06And so for the Bears to have this thing in hand, seemingly the entire time and truly just have a handle on
88:12the game from the start is impressive. And they've done that two weeks in a row against backup quarterbacks or with backup quarterbacks.
88:18I didn't think about this, but you see weird scheduling quirks like this sometime where the Jets have now played three quarters
88:24of the NFC North all in a row. They took the Packers to overtime.
88:28We talked about how fun the game was against the Lions last week and all the cool shit they did in that game.
88:34And so, yeah. And obviously they beat Tennessee to open the season like they've been a pain in the ass.
88:40And the Bears is the most like scoreline. The final score wise.
88:43It's like the most uninspiring score you've ever seen.
88:46But the Bears just beat the shit out of these guys.
88:49And like to do that two weeks in a row with quarterback three and quarterback two.
88:53I'm not like we're not talking about them and you have my attention.
88:57I'm not ready to go that far. But like it it registers with me like that is incredibly impressive and something you
89:03should have an eye on for when Caleb Williams is available again.
89:06I mean, that stupid, ugly game against the Vikings is the only reason this team isn't four or no with like some pretty impressive wins on the board.
89:14Well, that's the backup quarterback performances have been good.
89:16The one time we saw him play not against Brian Flores in a rainstorm, they scored 60 points.
89:21It's going to be really good when that guy comes back.
89:24I knew the offense could have this sort of gear and the fact that they played this well with the backup quarterbacks
89:30is impressive in an entirely different way. What the defense did today, that to me and what the defense did in the second half against the Eagles.
89:37I know the Eagles are kind of unraveling the Jets.
89:40We did the trivia this week. The Jets were top 10 in EPA per dropback coming into this game and for them
89:46to just not be able to move the ball.
89:49They went 0 and 7 on third down. What the defense Dennis Allen was doing some funky stuff on third down, like
89:55some of the pressures that they're sending the way the defense is playing overall.
89:59I don't know how good they are, but four games into the season, the Bears are fourth in the NFL.
90:04And EPA per play on defense. Fourth fake stat.
90:06I'm sorry. I can't get there. It's all driven by what the Falcons a little bit last year.
90:11We're like you. You kind of knew that this was like a little bit made up and not real and that they
90:17were having to match your fan manufacture stuff and do a bunch of crazy stuff and like getting a couple of turnovers every now and then.
90:25And the difference between them and last year's Falcons is this team has whatever the Bears offense might be on the other end of it.
90:31And so if they can actually even if they're fake good and can do some of this stuff.
90:36And I'm glad you mentioned that Gino and the Jets like the Jets offense has been fine.
90:41They're a good barometer team. The NFL has always got a handful of these at a given time.
90:46And if you can do that against like what the Jets offense has been, that probably means something.
90:51What's carried them is that they are number one in the NFL and EPA per play on third down.
90:56And some of that is what happened today and what happened in the Eagles game.
91:00The Eagles didn't have one for all the second half and the Jets went over today.
91:05But what the Bears some of the stuff that Bears are doing on third down is really good.
91:10Like some of the pressure stuff that Dennis Allen is doing.
91:13We compare them Derek to like the early Chiefs with the early Spags Chiefs teams.
91:17Can they be like that? And so even if they're not fourth in the NFL and EPA per play type good, they
91:23were seventh on a third down last year. They're first this year and overall their 14th and success rate.
91:28This doesn't have to be the sixth best off defense in the league.
91:31This has to be like the 16th best defense in the league and they're doing enough right now.
91:36They've allowed the opponents since the Panthers game. Obviously, the Panthers got them pretty good.
91:40Not that it mattered, but their last three opponents are five of 29 on third down.
91:45Now, the question is like the Eagles are obviously in hell offensively right now.
91:49And then it's the Carson Wentz Vikings in a rainstorm and whatever you think about the Jets.
91:53I'm just it's been incredibly impressive, especially considering our concerns about the Bears.
91:57Defense. I'm OK waiting a little bit to see more.
92:00I have no idea how real it is. I just know that what it's looked like, especially over the last two weeks,
92:06is like, OK, like this is something that you can build on.
92:09They blitzed five times in this game. They got pressure on four of those plays and they got clean pressure on four of those plays.
92:16Like Dennis Allen is cooking in some of these high leverage moments, even if I think we still have some concerns overall
92:22about the personnel quality on this team. The more important part to me and maybe the thing that will keep it from
92:28mattering is it just it defies all of my expectations about pro football that you can run for 230 yards with your backup quarterback in the game.
92:35I mean, I know Malik Willis did it for the Packers last year, but that's a different story from Tyson Bajan and Case Keenum.
92:42The Bears have accounted for 20 percent of the 230 plus yard rushing performances dating back to when Ben Johnson got there.
92:48They've done it four times with Ben as the head coach.
92:51No one else has done it more than twice.
92:53The rest of the league combined has 16. It's unbelievable how often the Bears are just running at will.
92:59And to be able to do it without your preferred quarterback is it's not supposed to work that way.
93:04So, yeah, I don't I don't think the defense doesn't need to be that good.
93:08So I think it's fair to be encouraged. I was hoping they would just hang on when Caleb Williams wasn't playing.
93:14I didn't expect them to be winning these games by multiple scores while he was sitting on the bench.
93:19It's a nice place to be considering how shitty things felt at the end of week to one thing.
93:24One more thing we do have to mention in the spirit of WTF.
93:28Of course, this is the game where the Jets break their no interception streak.
93:32We had four of them. Only one of them counted.
93:34But hey, that's one more than counted for the entirety of the 2025 season.
93:38So it's a starting point. Yeah. I mean, again, it's one of those should have stood and test page and did throw one interception that did count.
93:46The ball security and just the overall turnover questions like that has to get better against teams that are better.
93:51But overall, I think you got to be pretty encouraged by what the Bears did.
93:55All right. Let's talk about what made us feel romantic about football in week four.
93:59I mean, this thing was a thing of beauty.
94:02I really love when we have players that have been in the league for a while and for whatever reason, a new
94:08play caller happens or the situation changes just a little bit.
94:11And we see that player unleashed and unlocked in a way that they never really have been before.
94:16And the guy that is like that for me this year is watching what Zay Flowers has been for the Ravens.
94:21Zay Flowers is a good player. Zay Flowers has been a good player for a while for Baltimore.
94:26But the tweaks in his usage this year have made him like borderline unstoppable.
94:30So Zay Flowers this season had another. He had a huge game today, by the way.
94:35I don't have the stats in front of me.
94:37I probably should have the stats in front of me for what he actually did in this game.
94:42It was all in the first half because that's what he keeps doing.
94:46I was going to say all before halftime. Eight catches, 118 yards and a touchdown.
94:50OK, you had 30 routes total. So 10 targets, eight catches, 118 yards.
94:53Here's some season long stats for Zay Flowers. Stat number one.
94:56He's averaging 6.3 yards per route run this year.
94:596.3. Best in the league type numbers are usually flirting with four for anybody that's not aware.
95:03Four is like all times. Hyper elite. Anything over three is offensive player of the year shit.
95:086.3 yards per route run. OK. He's been in the slot on 57% of his routes this year per next gen.
95:14That's it was that's compared to 31% last year.
95:16So he has been a primarily slot player for them.
95:19Some of that is driven by the fact that they're using more three receiver sets in order to put him in those
95:25situations compared to what the Ravens used to do.
95:27But this is obviously a very conscious choice from the Ravens coaching staff to put him in there.
95:32He's run 32 routes from the slot this year.
95:35He has been thrown the ball on 16 of those plays.
95:38So he has a 50% target rate from the slot.
95:41He is averaging 8.8 yards per route run on those plays from the slot.
95:44He's averaging 1.3 EPA per target. He's gained a first down on 37% of his slot routes.
95:49Last year, Zay Flowers had 16.3 receiving EPA out of the slot.
95:52This year, he has 21. And he hasn't even played all of these three games, by the way.
95:57He's played three games. That's what I'm saying. He hasn't played the entire season to this point.
96:02He hasn't finished two of his three games, and he missed a game with the hamstring injury.
96:07Like, we're talking an incredibly small sample size. That's the one thing I wanted to note was he's run among among the
96:13guys at the top of the league because Zay is one of six receivers with 350 yards so far this season.
96:18Among all of, you know, that company, he's run like 60 to 80 fewer routes than all of those guys.
96:24And the rate stats will drop as he plays more.
96:27But the vision that the staff has had for him and the way that they were like, this is how we're going
96:33to use this guy and we're going to cook people has been awesome.
96:36And you saw it last week against Dallas, and they did it again today.
96:40His touchdown today. They have him isolated on a linebacker coming out of the slot.
96:44The guy has absolutely no shot. He takes it to the house.
96:48And then the other awesome play that they ran, he runs like a little sail and up from the slot for a huge chunk gain.
96:54Just this. And they said it in the summer.
96:57Declan Doyle at one point was like, this dude is a star.
97:00And we are going to, I think, show people that he is a star and the just crystallized vision they have had
97:06for how they want to deploy him and what it has looked like over the first four weeks is awesome stuff.
97:12It has been so incredibly fun to watch. I think a lot of it has been the usage.
97:17I also think a year ago or two years ago, you couldn't have used him this way.
97:22I don't think he was good, good enough at some of the things that like requires you to play in the slot.
97:28Like, I think the way that he tracks and comes back to the ball now is better than it's ever been at any point in his career.
97:35And I also think the way that he like when he sees grass in front of him as a yak player and
97:41goes is better than it's ever been at any point of his career.
97:45And maybe that's partly fueled by like they're using him more that way in practice in the game plans.
97:50And so he's getting used to that sort of stuff.
97:53But I do think that he's gotten better at that stuff that when previous versions of the Ravens tried to do that
97:59with him, you had some like good moments, some bad moments.
98:02But it did not feel as consistently dominant as it's been, especially underneath.
98:05And then you mentioned that like sale out and up play.
98:08I thought the ball tracking on that was even really impressive, which I think down the field, he's always been like the
98:14pure vertical stuff has always been a little bit up and down.
98:17His vertical stuff has always been like he gets to 20 and he snaps off a dig or he snaps off an
98:23outbreak or a comeback, something like that. But the pure vertical stuff like that where he can really go and track it, sometimes that's been up and down.
98:31So the fact that he showed improvement on all of the things that like even two years ago, I was like, man,
98:37I just don't know if he's that kind of player.
98:40That to me is the most impressive part of all of this.
98:43I and I said this leading into the summer and I felt better about it when I dug deeper on it.
98:49But anecdotally, I didn't always trust Zay Flowers as like a down the field guy.
98:53He's just some of the drops and the miscues just loom large in the mind.
98:57But he looks so impressive this year. Like the 52 yarder he had in this game.
99:02It's not like the coolest catch you'll see on a Sunday.
99:05But just the downfield tracking like over the shoulder, arms extended.
99:08It just looks very polished and very advanced. And speaking of that, like when I dug deeper into it and what he
99:14did last year, I felt a hell of a lot better about Baltimore locking him up on the deal they did, considering
99:20how much time was left on his contract reaction to that contract coming into the season.
99:24Yeah, I probably wasn't very happy. And I remember talking about it with Derek when it immediately happened.
99:29I was like, oh, that's that's a lot of money.
99:32And then I was like, OK, well, he still has two years on his deal and he was actually like top 10 in yards per route run.
99:39This will probably be fine. It won't probably be anything.
99:42It looks fantastic through a month of the season.
99:44They've used him in a way that makes him worth every single one of those dollars.
99:49And it does really help that quarterback is playing is playing pretty lights out right now.
99:53He's back, I would say. The scramble that he had, though, he tweeted out the play.
99:58The scramble that he had in this game. Like just that, that is a there is no one in the league for
100:04whom the game slows down in the way that it does for Lamar Jackson.
100:07It is. I want to do something about this at some point this year, like why some quarterbacks are really adept at
100:13throwing the ball to the middle of the field and why some are not.
100:17And I think some of it is just like spatial awareness.
100:20His spatial awareness is just on a completely different level.
100:23Like his ability to feel and understand where defensive players are and where they're going to be when guys are around him,
100:29when there's traffic down the field in certain areas he's trying to access as a thrower.
100:33Just an unbelievable player. And I obviously gets hurt in this game.
100:37It sounds like he's probably going to be OK.
100:39They play the Falcons on Sunday night. I believe Jesse Minter said at one point that he probably could have come back in if needed.
100:46So hopefully nothing long term for Lamar Jackson, because that connection with him and Zay Flowers has been something to behold this season.
100:52And it is plenty worth being romantic about. All right.
100:55That is all we've got for week four. Like we mentioned tomorrow on the hangover.
100:59Lions Panthers, Seahawks Chargers and Giants Cardinals. We will be hitting all of those.
101:03I know the Vikings are undefeated. I don't still know what to make of them.
101:07They beat the they beat the Dolphins today without scoring a touchdown.
101:10Yeah, they beat the Bucs who were unraveling last week.
101:13Like, well, I'm sure we'll talk plenty about the Giants.
101:16We have a midweek show this week about the Vikings.
101:19We have a midweek show this week where we'll hit the Vikings.
101:22So it's that the Vikings talk will be coming.
101:24It's just it's a very weird for now. I don't know what to make of it.
101:29Well, and we can't do Dolphins on the hangover every week.
101:32Like the whole point of us making some of the changes to the hangover this week is so we don't or this year.
101:38So we don't do the same team every single week the way that we did last year at points.
101:43For now, that is all we got. Sincerely appreciate you guys listening.
101:47We'll talk to you soon.