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0:05Time for the week 3 hangover. Me and Derrik dug into three games today, started things off with Bucks Vikings, just a
0:11phenomenal performance again from the Minnesota Vikings defense. Followed that up with a little Browns Panthers talk.
0:15Browns defense, especially the Browns front looking like we thought it might coming into the year and then finish things off.
0:21Talking about the Giants and the Titans, which was the most hangover game that might have ever existed.
0:26Giants, Titans, Jameis Winston, Cam Ward in a downpour.
0:29It doesn't get any better than that. Hit all three of those today.
0:32Let's get into that conversation with me and Derek right now.
0:35Time for the week 3 hangover. We had a bunch of games on last night's show, and so there was not a
0:41ton to choose from this morning, and that makes this a very hangover-y show.
0:45We've got some pretty gross stats coming from these three games, but I still think there's plenty to chew on in all
0:51three of the matchups that we're going to dig into.
0:54But there was a lot of ugliness in the leftover games from yesterday, and there's going to be a decent amount of that today.
1:01No Ravens on this show today. No, this is the hangover episode so far that we've done this year that feels the
1:07most like what we were doing last year, where it really was like digging through some mud.
1:12And I do think Vikings Bucks was like compelling in some ways, but it was a disgusting football game.
1:17The Vikings are 3-0. I mean, the fact that we didn't talk about them last night almost feels like a tad disrespectful.
1:23We just had so much other stuff to get to, and it was a really ugly game.
1:28I mean, just to give you guys a sense of this, the Vikings yesterday won the football game.
1:33Per NextGen, they had a 23.6% success rate. The Bucks were at 23.4%.
1:36So I didn't have time to look up the historical context around that.
1:40I have to imagine that's one of the lowest combined success rates in any game in a very long time.
1:45That wasn't a weather game. Like, it wasn't like we were playing in a downpour.
1:50Like, we're going to get to Titans-Giants. It makes a little bit of sense that that game was as ugly as it was.
1:56The fact that this happened in decent conditions, and we had a sub-25% success rate for each of these teams, it was
2:02really hard to watch offense for almost this entire thing.
2:05And for really both sides, and we'll dig into the specifics of it, it was a combination of, I thought, two defenses
2:11that were called really, really well throughout the game.
2:13I think Vikings more so than Bucks, obviously, because Flores is insane.
2:17On top of, like, both quarterbacks just left a number of plays on the field.
2:21And obviously for Kyler, you know, first real full game in the system, he's coming off the concussion, it makes a little bit more sense.
2:28And then with Baker and the Bucks, like, they had been cratering and spiraling already for the first two weeks of the season.
2:34And then you run into Brian Flores, who is going to kind of make you do that regardless of where you are.
2:40Which side of all do you want to start with?
2:43Do you want to start with Bucks offense versus the Vikings defense?
2:46I think that's the more interesting matchup between the two, just in terms of how well the Vikings defense played.
2:52I think I agree. I think that that's probably where I would like to start.
2:56The Vikings defense, man. Literally, the first play of the game, the Bucks are trying to run one back power to the left-hand side.
3:03Dallas Turner grinds the tight end back into the formation.
3:05And then I think it was Eric Wilson comes down and just explodes the puller in the hole.
3:10And Bucky Irving still spins out and it's like a four-yard carry or whatever.
3:14But immediately it was like, yep, they're going to bring the thump the same way that they always do.
3:19And so I think them just doing that, like immediately setting the tone in that way, I thought was interesting.
3:25The other big picture thing I want to talk about, and we'll obviously talk about some of the certain plays and stuff like that.
3:32We've come to obviously Flores. Flores has been blitzing at a truly insane rate this season, especially even on third and fourth downs.
3:38In this game, though, he only blitzed on 39% of the time on third and fourth downs, which is not typically what they had been doing.
3:45They brought a lot of four-man rushes. And on those four-man rushes, Baker Mayfield was two for seven with two sacks, a pick, and zero first down conversions.
3:53So they kind of went off script for what they had normally been doing and said, hey, we're going to make Baker
3:59read it out, especially on these third and twelves and stuff like that.
4:03And really at no point in the game did he prove that he was up to that.
4:07It was just another example of how they're just a step ahead right now, no matter what you're trying to do against them.
4:14They're gloving up absolutely everything. It's a combination of, and we'll get into some of the specifics.
4:18Just for context before we start doing this, I wanted to look it up while you were talking.
4:23Since 2016, over the first three weeks of the season, this is the one, two, three, four, five, six best performance in
4:29terms of defensive success rate through the first three weeks of the season in the past decade.
4:34Collectively, the Vikings in the three games that they have played are giving up a 32.3% defensive success or offensive success rate.
4:40I mean, it's ridiculous. And I think it's, again, it's a combination of so many different things that we can dig into.
4:46The player in this game that best expresses this, Eric Wilson.
4:49Dude, he's amazing. Insane. I mean, just absolutely insane.
4:52And I think you can take this big or small in using Eric Wilson as a microcosm for the Vikings defense.
4:58You can do it for this game. You can do it for what it's felt like this season.
5:03And you can do it for the entire Brian Flores tenure.
5:06Eric Wilson is a journeyman linebacker. Eric Wilson has bounced around the league.
5:09He's been available for next to nothing as like a rotational player.
5:13And over the last two years in this Vikings defense, he has played incredible football.
5:17And this is just what they do. They have these veterans cycle through this defense.
5:21And every single one of them, if they can handle it mentally, becomes the best version of that player throughout their entire career.
5:27And I think Wilson, both in this game and over the last two years, has been a very pure representation of that idea.
5:34He got drafted by this football team 10 years ago.
5:36Obviously, a way different football team and had to journeyman to get like to four different teams before he finally arrived here.
5:42This was not a player who really had a starting job at all until he was 30.
5:47He started like 12 games for the Packers in 23.
5:50But that was like injuries. They were just banged up.
5:53Like that was not like they went into that thinking that.
5:56He lands with Brian Flores. And I think at first it was a little bit of a slow start getting him into the lineup.
6:02And now he's just a starting linebacker. And again, I think there are so many specific plays in this game that highlight what he's capable of.
6:10Like, again, first play where he's just mashing a puller.
6:12He can do that for you. There was one play where he's like picking the guard and then explodes the running back
6:18and like barrels him over and he gets a sack.
6:21I think him and Blake Cashman get to the quarterback.
6:24In the two-minute drill, there was a play where he's mugged up on, and, you know, obviously looks like he's going to be a rusher.
6:31He pops out into the field and gets a hand on the ball that Baker Mayfield's trying to throw past his head.
6:37Like, he can do everything for them. And that is kind of the point of the defense is how many guys do
6:43we have who we think that we can ask to do anything on the football field?
6:47A lot of those examples that you just mentioned, the play after he did something else.
6:52On the play where he gets the PBU dropping off the line of scrimmage, the very next play, he's running with K-Dot
6:58and step-for-step up the seam and gets a PBU.
7:00The play before the nuked, when he nukes the left guard on the stunt and gets the sack, he got a TFL
7:07on second down to force them into third down.
7:09And those plays where he's mugged up on the line of scrimmage and then getting depth off of it, or just really
7:15any play where he's being asked to be a middle-of-the-field zone defender, that's what really stuck out to me in this game
7:21is that it doesn't seem to matter whether they have six guys in coverage, whether they have seven guys in coverage.
7:27The amount of space they're eating, specifically in the middle of the field, when you're trying to access crossers or wrap routes
7:33or any of that stuff, it's just so, so good.
7:36Like, in theory, against a team that blitzes a lot, that's where you should be able to hammer them.
7:41And they just do such a good job of erasing that space consistently.
7:45And I think that in this game, Wilson was the best example of that.
7:49I think absolutely. It's just, I think the way that those guys, obviously when you're playing zone coverage, you're going to one
7:55place and then, especially in their system, you're immediately triggering on the quarterback's eyes or you're triggering where you think the next
8:01route is when you pass it off. And their ability to do that, like the speed at which they do it and
8:07how little they are wrong is really impressive. Like, they play more palms coverage than I think anybody in the league, which
8:13palms is basically like covered two that can turn into quarters just depending on how it plays out.
8:18But the way that those guys read it and pass stuff off, like they are never wrong.
8:23And it's kind of remarkable how well they just like clinch down on space and really never allow you to get easy throws on stuff like that.
8:30It's why, like when they play all those like two high pressures, a lot of the time where they have four guys
8:36or two guys deep, depending on how it plays out and two underneath, it's because of how well they play that exact
8:42coverage that they can blitz in that way more than any other team in the NFL.
8:47There was a play, I literally wrote this in my notes, there was a play, there was a sequence at one point
8:53in the game where Redman gets his hand on a pass at the line of scrimmage.
8:57It's nearly intercepted. Two guys ran into each other.
9:00That was on second down. On third down, they heat Baker up.
9:03He throws the ball short of the sticks. Isaiah Rogers cleans it up.
9:07Drive over, punt. And I just think they are, no one to me does it better than, like the Seahawks suffocate you
9:13over the course of a game, but I don't think there is any defense in the league over the last couple years,
9:19Seahawks, Texans, anybody, that forces you to play on their terms as often and as efficiently as possible as the Vikings consistently do it.
9:25And there are so few offenses that can flip that script on them and play the game they want to play against this team.
9:32It takes the really, really good offenses. And I think that's why, you know, they fell short in the playoffs like the
9:38Rams picked on them a couple years ago, but that's the type of offense that it takes.
9:43Anything less, any tier less than like the tippy top guys, the tippy top play callers that are among the elite guys
9:49in the NFL, they are the ones dictating the terms of how the game is going to be played against you.
9:55And over the first three weeks, the degree to which they have done that, including against Ben Johnson in week two, is just incredibly impressive.
10:02To me, the difference between like them and the Seahawks is the Seahawks don't give you anything.
10:06They really just make you earn a lot of stuff or take all the stuff underneath and you've really got to make
10:12guys miss or you've got to make the hard throws over the middle of the field.
10:17It feels like with the Vikings, they are just daring you to do something.
10:21They are like throwing knives at you and they are daring you to go make a play.
10:25And it's just really, really hard to live that way.
10:28Like the way that they play defense is incredible.
10:31And the way that I honestly think too, they'll play some good quarterbacks obviously over the course of the year.
10:36And I think we've seen the truly elite guys can pick this stuff apart.
10:40But there is a part of me that wonders like this is what the third, fourth year that these, a lot of
10:46these guys are now in this system. And like, I kind of wonder if it's just even more, these guys are attuned to the way that this works.
10:54And I really want to see how it kind of progresses over the course of the season.
10:59But yeah, me too. And I think we probably having Harrison Smith back helps, right?
11:03And just having like one more piece back there to give them a little bit of flexibility.
11:07But coming into it, I think there were some questions about what the front would look like because it was really young.
11:14And the idea that even if you're having to wait a little bit on Kayla Banks and Dominique Orange and they'll come
11:20along at their own pace, I think we probably understated how impactful and important guys like Jalen Redman would be after the season that he had last year.
11:27Dallas Turner taking a step forward. And then the back seven, like the back seven isn't filled with stars.
11:33It's filled with guys like Eric Wilson, who in this defense can be incredibly effective players.
11:37And so when you combine that, when you combine a back seven full veterans who know exactly.
11:42And I think that's probably it is that when you're constantly forcing the other team to play the game on your terms,
11:48it doesn't really matter that you don't have star level talent at every single position because what they're being asked to do
11:54specifically is so the focus in it is so narrow, right?
11:57Like, I think that's what they do such a good job of is that like, we're going to ask you to do
12:03this one very specific thing because we know that's the only answer they're going to have because we're making them make that choice.
12:09And when you're narrowing the scope to that level, you can get really effective play out of these guys that if you
12:15drop them into any given situation, maybe we wouldn't see this level of play from them.
12:20I think that's a great way to put it because they allow every single defensive player they have to do the thing that they are best at.
12:27Like, do you want Isaiah Rogers like running man to man with people?
12:31Or like matching people in coverage? Absolutely not. But can he sit in the flat and play palms and read cover too and all that stuff?
12:38Absolutely. I think the safeties are good at like kind of reading quarterback's eyes and running around that way.
12:43Obviously, Harrison Smith is unbelievable at that. The linebackers, like them using Eric Wilson as this hybrid, you know, will be on the line of scrimmage sometimes.
12:51He'll be a mug player, but we can pop him out.
12:54The pop-out players that are the best at it are the ones with long arms.
12:58And Eric Wilson has that sort of like length and read.
13:01It's how he gets a hand on the ball on the play that I talked about earlier.
13:06And then the other guy that we haven't talked about in this game, but they use him effectively.
13:11Ivan Pace as a blitzer in this game was eating Cade Otten alive.
13:14There were multiple plays, especially in the second half.
13:17You know, there was one where he blew up Cade Otten like early in the third quarter.
13:22Or he like swipes past him and then Otten like squirts out of the backfield and Baker somehow gets the ball to him.
13:28But it was still an incredible pass rush. And then a little bit either later in the drive or on the next
13:34drive, he explodes Cade Otten to get, I think, a sack.
13:37Like he splits the sack. And so the fact that every single player in the defense just gets the scope limited for
13:43them and they get to only do that and really not get put in compromising positions for their skill sets.
13:49It's the same thing that we praise like Kyle Shanahan for with his wide receivers.
13:53But Brian Flores is doing that with defensive guys.
13:55Yeah, we don't normally, we don't talk about defensive quarters, defensive coordinators being a multiplier for individual talents in quite the same
14:01way as we do for offensive players. Because, I don't know, maybe it's because we think about it through a fantasy football lens to a certain extent.
14:09Like there's tangible production with a lot of those offensive guys.
14:12You see their individual numbers in a way that you don't for a linebacker and coverage or safety.
14:17And so it's a little bit more of an abstract idea.
14:20But I think Seattle, we've talked about this a bunch.
14:23Like it took them getting down to Finley at safety for us to feel the difference in who was out there and who wasn't.
14:29And with the really good defenses, that's exactly what it is.
14:32And the Vikings are precisely that. You mentioned Pace is a blitzer.
14:36The thing they found and just kept picking on at a certain point in the second half is that they were running those crossdogs with Wilson and Cashman.
14:43And the Bucs just had absolutely no answer. There were just way too many snaps, period, for Tampa in this game where
14:50their response to a mugged up look was, we're going to let the linebacker come scot-free.
14:54And we're going to ask a back to hold up against that guy with a head start and with momentum.
14:59And he's just going to explode the running back.
15:02The running back is going to get exploded into Baker Mayfield's lap.
15:05That just happened way too many times in this game.
15:08That can't be the answer. But I kind of think that's the beauty of the Brian Flores defense is because the Bucs
15:14are probably sitting there and being like, they're not going to bring them both every time.
15:19Nobody brings both of the mug players every time.
15:21And then over the course of the second half, he's like, yeah, we will.
15:25Why wouldn't we? You don't have an answer for it.
15:28And so that truly is like the beauty of how the Brian Flores defense works.
15:32It's a lot of like, yeah, I'm not hitting you.
15:35I'm not hitting you. And then like as soon as they decide that that's what they want to do, they're going to do it and just unleash everybody.
15:42Anything that really be said at this point about the Bucs and the offense?
15:46I mean, Baker's going to miss three weeks at least is what Todd Bowles came out and said today with that thumb injury.
15:53It almost to me like doesn't matter for this season.
15:55Like they're 0-3. The offense has struggled to find its footing even with Baker.
15:59They were really having a hard time. I mean, it's hard for me to imagine even with Baker Mayfield playing, this being a playoff team this season.
16:07And so now I think it's just a question of what does this look like moving forward?
16:11Like what does this look like for the rest of this year, but also going into next year because you just paid this person.
16:18I'm a little bit. I'm pretty worried because like I actually think the offensive line and run game in a lot of
16:24ways, obviously some of their past pro answers were not great in this game.
16:28But individually, I think a lot of these players still look good.
16:31And the run game has had moments all throughout the season.
16:34I just think overall there are too many mistakes on this team.
16:38Like Baker Mayfield is not accurate. I think when he was trying to replace some of the blitzes in this game, him
16:44and his receivers communication on what exactly the landmark was supposed to be was not great, which is I know it's a
16:50new system technically, but he's thrown to all these guys for a while now.
16:54Like there should be a little bit more, I think, communication there.
16:57That miss to a Buka on third down is one of the saddest incompletions of the season at this point.
17:03You watch it and you watch the body language after that ball, that ball falls incomplete.
17:07And it's like, oh boy, we have reached a tough moment three weeks into the year.
17:11Because that's the simplest answer. We're going to throw the slant against the blitz and they just like, we're not able to connect on it.
17:18And then the other thing too, that I would mention that I think is a small frustration with me.
17:24Bucky Irving purely as a runner looks more explosive.
17:26He just makes a lot of mistakes, man. Like fumbles and just like he had a drop in this game when Baker Mayfield got out of a pressure.
17:34Like it's just a lot of stuff like that for who whenever he touches the ball is their best skill player.
17:40But it just there are too many mistakes, I think, overall in this offense right now.
17:44The Baker thing is, I literally just finished recording a video about how it's not interesting to talk about.
17:49But we probably should just readily admit that quarterbacks are more sensitive to their surroundings than we want to talk about.
17:55Like it's not interesting, but Trevor Lawrence was quarterback 18 in the 2025 QB tiers.
17:59He was quarterback 18. He was just behind Tua.
18:02And Baker Mayfield threw 40 touchdowns in 2024 when Liam Cohen was his offensive coordinator.
18:06And I think if that season doesn't happen, Baker Mayfield does not make $55 million a year.
18:11But now you're paying, Baker Mayfield's cap hit in 2027 is $65 million.
18:14That is, that sounded crazy when Dak was at 60.
18:17And Dak is a much, has always been a much better quarterback than that.
18:21$65 million. And it's just, you're, we're in a tough spot with this team right now.
18:25Because you've committed to Baker now. And it feels like we're trending in a direction where we're probably going to turn the
18:31page as a franchise after the season is over.
18:34And it's just really messy. Like, I just don't know how you untangle all of this heading into next year.
18:39I mean, like, really, your only, your only answer is you have to hit on whatever your pursuit of the next Liam Cohen looks like.
18:46Like, that's the only way you make good on this is if you find a guy who can almost immediately make Baker
18:52Mayfield look like a $65 million quarterback. And I do think, again, that's possible because we should readily admit that these guys
18:58are, that it is, that most of these situations are fragile.
19:02They can change very quickly depending on the circumstances changing.
19:04But you're really threading a very tough needle there if you're the Bucs over the next year.
19:09And it's also like, I know it's not that long ago, but like, Baker Mayfield was 28-29 when he was having those,
19:15you know, the 23 and 24 seasons. He's now 31 for a player that is a little bit smaller, has always tried
19:21to rely on his athleticism to get himself out of problems, and has been banged up at like every point in his career.
19:28And he, I think we knew that he was a player that the wall was probably going to come for him in
19:34a similar way to where it did with Russell Wilson, where it was just like, oh shit, one day it's gone.
19:39And I don't know if that is necessarily true of Baker Mayfield right now, but it feels like that's more where we've arrived.
19:46And so while he is sensitive to his surroundings, I do have worries about like his individual play and ability to like
19:52get back to wherever he was before. You do have to clear a certain bar to make good on that improvement in surroundings.
19:58Like you have to reach a requisite level for any of the rest of the stuff to matter.
20:03And I don't think it would be unfounded for Baker specifically for us to be worried about whether he can still clear that bar.
20:10Because the last two years, he's been firmly under it.
20:13If you just watch the way that he has played.
20:15Let's get to the other side of the ball, because for as good as the Vikings defense was in this game, again,
20:21the offense was pretty terrible down to down. Like you can count on one hand the positive passing plays that happened in this game for the Minnesota Vikings.
20:29Two of them came on the same drive, and they were like two of the five really nice moments that this team had the entire game.
20:36If they don't have that sort of performance from the defense and they don't return a punt for a touchdown, this is
20:42not a winning performance from the Vikings offense. No, the Vikings offense was not good.
20:47Like the passing offense looked, they looked like they had a quarterback who had not played in the system, who was playing
20:53in a way that is not attuned to what he had done best early in his career and coming off of a concussion.
20:59I think. And you lose Jeff and you lose Justin Jefferson at some point in this game.
21:04And you lose Justin Jefferson. Yes, exactly. Which if you were having a young quarter or not a young quarterback, but a
21:10quarterback in a new system who was like needed a little bit of an answer, you would want to rely on Justin Jefferson.
21:16And obviously he didn't have that. And I do think that that is especially notable, not only because he's excellent, but like
21:22Jordan Addison, anytime that people were getting hands on him was getting bullied.
21:26There was a route where TJ Hawkinson was running like a seam route and he just kind of slows up and stops it down.
21:33And Kyler tries to throw it up the field.
21:35And so you have some miscommunications there. And so you had Kyler was bad, but I do think that there were like
21:41a couple of excusable moments where I was like, OK, I kind of see how that didn't go well.
21:46But then he had a few like I think the most frustrating one to me.
21:51It was early on in the second quarter. I think it was the first play of the second quarter.
21:56They run this like spacing concept from the right hand side where they just get like those two little spot routes and
22:02then they have a motion player from left to right.
22:05He runs into the flat. The outside spot player is open and like they do this little play action.
22:10Yeah, it was Hawkinson. He's open. He's wide ass open at the sticks on I think third and five.
22:15And Kyler gets like a flash of color from the edge player right in his face and just like freaks out and takes a sack.
22:22And it's like you don't got to be perfect, man, but that play needs to be made.
22:27And there were just a few more of those moments than you would have liked.
22:31That was the worst one. That was the worst one where he he starts inside and then moves outside.
22:36But there is enough time between that. One to two before that color gets to him where that ball has to come out.
22:43And that happened not to the same degree, but there were probably four or five plays in this game where if you
22:49pause that at the top of the drop, that ball needs to come out.
22:52There was a sack. With like 11 minutes left and I think it was the third quarter where he has Addison on
22:59an inbreaker versus cover three and it's open. And if he lets that ball go when he should, it's going to be
23:05bang bang, but that ball has to be thrown.
23:07And so you can just tell he's not seeing it very clearly to like you said, I give credit to the Bucks
23:13defense because I think they were doing a really good job.
23:16They gave out that one dagger completion Jefferson on the first drive and after that anything they were trying to do in
23:22the intermediate area of the field was a non-starter.
23:25Like they knew that was the exact space they needed to take away, especially over the middle.
23:30And that's why I think the only things that worked for the Vikings in this game is when they threw the ball
23:36over the top and we're getting just bypassing that entirely.
23:38It's like if you're going to sink underneath that stuff in the intermediate area, we're just going to throw the ball over your heads.
23:45And that was the only thing they were able to do.
23:48And Mike, and here, this is where I land with it.
23:51Is that something that is going to continue? Like, are we going to be at a place where Kyler really struggles with
23:57the refined elements of playing quarterback in this system?
24:00And it's just feast or famine where they can push the ball down the field when he has a defined choice to be made.
24:06But when you actually make him read stuff out, he's not going to be able to, because if that's going to be
24:12the case, then I worry about what this offense is going to look like over the course of the season.
24:18He deserves some grace, concussion, first game back, second game period in the system.
24:22But this is a disappointing start to that process, I guess is what I would say.
24:26It definitely was. And again, I don't want to hit the panic button until we see like three weeks, I think, of play like this.
24:33But I do think to some level, him double clutching and not wanting to fire over the middle, like that's who he is.
24:40I think you just hope that a lot of the other stuff is going to get cleaned up and be better.
24:45Again, if Justin Jefferson's back and you've got some outside routes that you can just hit on, I think that will be nice.
24:52He had a couple of really nice, I thought, outbreakers in this game.
24:55But if you're going to be an outside and vertical team, the vertical stuff has to hit every time.
25:01And like he hits the one to Addison on the backside post.
25:04But there was another one in the two minute drill on the third and four.
25:08The safety nails down on a crosser and he's got Addison wide ass open on the post.
25:13And he kind of leaves it like way too much air under it and leaves it like a little bit on the outside of the hash.
25:20And it's like, man, if you just throw that to space over the middle and let your guy run for it.
25:26I don't know if it's a touchdown, but it's a huge completion.
25:29And so it's just like those stuff, I think more than anything really does need to get cleaned up.
25:34At this point, the defense is playing well enough that they're going to potentially be able to keep them in a lot of these games.
25:41But you're going to need to see more from the offense if it's going to matter.
25:46At some point during the season, you're going to need more from the offense for any of this to matter.
25:51And that's kind of where I leave this game.
25:54And with the Bucs, I just, we can do a post-mortem on the Bucs at some point relatively soon.
25:59Because I think we're going to be to that, we're going to get to that moment sooner rather than later.
26:04All right, let's take our first quick break and then come back and chat a little Browns-Panthers.
26:09Get to our next one here. The Cleveland Browns beat the Carolina Panthers 21-18.
26:13The Browns are now 2-1 on the young season.
26:15I want to start here. I really loved a lot of the stuff the Browns did on defense in this game.
26:21I really enjoyed watching the front seven in particular.
26:24Like when the pass rush, especially in the first half, needed to come up with a big play and a big moment.
26:30I liked the plan. I liked the individual performances.
26:32It was what I hoped this group would look like coming into the year.
26:36Like over the first couple weeks, they didn't necessarily show this level of teeth.
26:40But there were four, five, six examples from this game where I was like, this is what it is supposed to look like.
26:46Like you started to feel the talent that we thought this defense had.
26:50And like the player, I really want to shout out.
26:53Mason Graham looks like the player that we thought was a top five pick.
26:57Like the first play of the game, he's in the backfield.
27:00And I think what my thought with him too, last week I watched their defense and I was like, I'm pretty sure
27:06that's the best game that Mason Graham has ever played as a pro.
27:09And then I watched this game back this morning and I was like, I'm pretty sure that's the best game that he's ever played as a pro.
27:17He was really, really good in this game. It's funny that you mentioned him there.
27:21I totally understandable, totally fair. When I went back and watched the guy that I just couldn't stop watching because I'm prone
27:27to fixating on him over the course of a game.
27:30Jared Verse is just such an awesome player. And he's unique in that you're never going to fully understand his value by
27:36how many sacks he gets over the course of a season.
27:39The pressure numbers. And this is where I think there might be a little bit of a disconnect with how people see Jared Verse.
27:46Like they look at the pressure numbers and they look at the sack numbers.
27:50And it's like, all right, well, he gets a ton of pressures, but how impactful is he really?
27:55And then you watch a game like this. I think he had six pressures in the game.
27:59He had, I think he had two quick pressures, but there were so many examples where, and Rasheed Walker had a tough day.
28:06And Rasheed Walker's had a tough season to this point.
28:08Where you just watch Jared Verse, he walks the left tackle back into the quarterback almost immediately.
28:13And it's the same way the Rams looked when they were at their best.
28:17And I think it's not an accident. He is such an important piece for a complimentary pass rush where it's all working together.
28:23And there are multiple examples in this game where he's denting the pocket.
28:27It's causing Bryce to either have to move off his spot a little bit or not be able to get rid of the ball immediately.
28:34And that little half second of affecting the play, you watch the stunt inside start to get home.
28:39And one of those guys gets home for a sack.
28:42That is finished off by a guy like Mason Graham, who had two of those in this game.
28:47But that starts because Jared Verse is impacting the timing of the play almost immediately because the left tackle is next to
28:53the quarterback about a second after the ball was snapped.
28:55I think the player describing was a fourth and three too, which that's another thing in this game.
29:00The Panthers failed two fourth downs early in the game, which I think was obviously really terrible.
29:05And gave the Browns short fields on both of them.
29:08And they scored on both of those drives. Gave them short fields.
29:11Exactly. Honestly, now that you say it like that, because I totally agree about Jared Burst, by the way.
29:16This feels a lot of the way that we had to talk about Jadavion Clowney when he was at his peak, where
29:22it's like the sack numbers are just never really quite there.
29:26But he is just always around the quarterback and always pushing a tackle into the quarterback and a good run defender who
29:32can like take back space in that way. Like he does feel very similar to Clowney at his peak in that way to me.
29:38There were so many examples like the first drive.
29:41The first drive, it's second and nine. The Browns run like a sweet simulated pressure with a nickel coming off of one side.
29:47Verse pushes the left tackle back into the quarterback.
29:50Bryce takes a grounding. The fourth and three that you mentioned.
29:53There's on third and goal when they were up 10-0.
29:55Yet again, Verse puts the left tackle in Bryce's lap.
29:58Bryce has the throw to the flat. That's open.
30:01That was one of his worst plays of the day.
30:03Yeah. That was one of his worst plays of the day.
30:06But if Verse doesn't do that to the left tackle, that ball gets thrown.
30:10That ball gets thrown if Verse is not affecting the play.
30:13It still should come out. But that's just another like quiet moment where it might be a pressure.
30:18It might not have been because the tackle is in front of him the whole time.
30:23But he's affecting that play. And that just happens so, so often.
30:26The last guy in the defense I wanted to mention because we talked about him coming into the season is could he have a bounce back here?
30:34Quincy Williams just looks so much better in this defense than he looked with the Jets last year.
30:39He just looks so much better. When the job is, hey, could you just run and hit people?
30:44He's incredible at that. Like he's really like he killed a screen in this game.
30:48He had a couple of like check down stops that he made.
30:51Like Quincy Williams does look, he looks really good again.
30:54And so I thought I just think the fact that you feel the teeth in this defense again after, you know, they
31:00were kind of up and down the first couple of weeks.
31:03And so for them to have this game against an offense that however real what the Panthers offense is, we can talk about.
31:09But they were really good the first two weeks of the season.
31:13And so for the Browns to come out and kick their ass, I thought was like really impressive.
31:18I think this was a really good test for the Panthers offense in a very specific way.
31:22When we talked about Carolina last week, me and Barnwell in the middle of the week, and we're trying to figure out is this real?
31:29The thing that I was most worried about is that you see this.
31:33When the space around Bryce condenses and he can't buy more space, either by finding an escape hatch where he can extend plays as a scrambler thrower, right?
31:41Let me find a window. Let me get up and out of the pocket.
31:44Let me find space and create deep into the down or when they're moving the pocket for him.
31:49They did a really good job in the first couple of weeks of very subtly moving the pocket.
31:54And the best stuff the Panthers offense did in this game was yet again off play action where they're subtly moving the
32:00pocket and they're throwing all of those crossing routes.
32:03They hit two of them to the tight end and they eventually hit the touchdown to John Mechie.
32:08They did it three times on one drive. When he's having to sit in the pocket and pure drop back situations and
32:14you're condensing that space, that's where you feel how small he is.
32:17And that wasn't happening a lot over the first couple of weeks of the season.
32:21It happened over and over and over again in this game because Jared versus on the other side.
32:26And that is what I was worried about. And it just showed up in about as bad and as blatant of a
32:33way as it could have in this game. And he is a quarterback that because of exactly what you're describing, where it's
32:39harder for him than other quarterbacks to step up into open interior space in the pocket.
32:43I actually thought for a lot of this game, the interior was fine.
32:47The tackles were getting mashed into the pocket immediately, both Walker and Freeling for a lot of this game.
32:52And he's just not a quarterback who can navigate that space.
32:55And he made a handful of nice plays when he was clean or versus the Blitz.
32:59He had like a really nice throw to Mechie late in the game.
33:03Like he did some good stuff, but it's like you're saying.
33:06That was the best throw he made. The one up to Mechie on the outbreaker on the left side in a crumbling pocket.
33:12That was the best throw he made by far in this game.
33:16Because that was from the far hash too. That is the throw that you've got to be able to make if you're
33:22going to stick in this league with some of his limitations.
33:25And I did think that that was impressive. But like you said, you feel when he is small in the pocket in moments like that.
33:32I will say one thing that I've been impressed with him over the course of this year really, but especially in this
33:38game, especially compared to previous versions of what he was.
33:41Part of my frustration with him is that if you were going to be this limited player, you really had to be
33:47buttoned up and on your P's and Q's with stuff that needs to come out.
33:51But last year, his ability to throw a quick game and be on time was not good enough.
33:56Like he would double clutch stuff. He would be a second late, all that stuff.
34:00So far this season on throws of one to 12 yards under a 2.5 time to throw.
34:05So that's not a perfect modicum for quick game, but it's pretty close.
34:08Bryce Young is third in EPA per play and 12th in success rate right now.
34:12Last year, that was 39th and 33. And so I don't know if it'll hold at that rate over the course of
34:18the year, but he's not like ruining plays every time he has to go quick game.
34:23And I do think that that allows this offense to like breathe and have some function to it, even if there's still
34:29going to be some struggles when he gets collapsing pockets.
34:32I totally agree. And what I was really encouraged by going back and watching him, there were two things that to me
34:38stuck out about the way that he was playing that felt different than it had felt in years past and maybe gave him a path forward.
34:45One was just how much better he was at finding the space we're talking about.
34:49Now that's just a time on task time in the league.
34:52I've realized how I need to play in order to survive.
34:55And I think you could just feel his sense of that being better than it had been over the last couple of years.
35:02And the other part of it was how fast he was seeing it.
35:05He threw a touchdown to Waller in that Falcons game that he sees that thing immediately and that ball comes out.
35:11And so I do think there will be better days ahead when the offensive line isn't getting absolutely mauled and affecting the
35:17game in exactly the way his game can't be affected.
35:20That's kind of where I leave this game. And the fact that you seem to have like you're open to the idea
35:26that he could be better over the course of this year for some of the specific reasons we're talking about.
35:31That's important. Like, I want people to recognize that in the moment as we're having this conversation.
35:36He looks better than last year. And again, I still have my reservations about like what is really the ceiling for this?
35:42How much does it like you have to do a lot of protecting and building the offense a certain way to make this work.
35:49But it looks like if he can do a lot of what he did last week in terms of the good.
35:55And then again, your tackles aren't just going to get nuked every single passing play.
35:59And also, hopefully, you don't have to pass 50 some odd times with him at quarterback.
36:03It's like, yeah, you can be a functional to nice offense.
36:06You know, again, there's other considerations other than can you do that in one season.
36:10But I do think that they can be totally fine.
36:13The other thing worth mentioning about the offense outside of the tackle just getting mauled over the course of this game and how it affected things.
36:20Jalen Coker goes out at some point. And Jalen Coker had probably the two biggest pass plays of the game before that.
36:27By Bryson Tremaine go ball on the left side.
36:29And so you lose Coker in the middle of the game.
36:32Like, you only had two receivers. You need both of those guys in order for this thing to work.
36:37Even though, again, Tremaine did have a couple nice moments.
36:40On the other side, I think the thing that really jumped out to me is that the flip side was true.
36:46Both of Deshaun Watson's passing touchdowns to Harold Fannin in this game are a product of pass protection.
36:51Both of them. Like, when you watch it, the Panthers on both of those plays are trying to run stunts that just
36:57got absolutely snuffed out over the course of the play.
37:00Their work on games was terrible. Like, they are not a good games team right now.
37:04That is, we said this in week one. When we were talking about Jalen Phillips being a try.
37:09There might have been even the division preview. When you watch them, it's so easy.
37:13And I understand why we have to do it this way.
37:16Like, there's only so much institutional understanding you can have about how every team plays and why every team struggles in these sorts of areas.
37:23When you watch the Panthers going back to last season, the idea of, well, now we have Jalen Phillips.
37:28So the pass rush is going to be better.
37:31And I know Skorton isn't playing, right? I get that.
37:34But this was never a team when I would watch them where it felt like the pass rush.
37:39We talk about complimentary pass rush plans and the way the Browns looked, the way the Vikings look.
37:44It is such a drastic difference when you watch those teams.
37:47And then when you watch the Panthers, like just dropping a $30 million edge rusher into this thing.
37:52If the rest of the plan doesn't feel dynamic and is making other teams feel uncomfortable and edgy in the pocket, the
37:58$30 million pass rusher ceases to matter. And I just keep coming back to that every single time I watch this defense.
38:04That's all of his best plays in this game.
38:06Jalen Phillips, that is, where when he's lined up in the D or shoot, if you want to say it, like the
38:12E gap, where he's just like way out there in like a wide nine.
38:16And they just give him a runway to just like sprint full speed and like make a move at the last second.
38:22That was really the only plays I thought that he was like super effective as a pass rusher.
38:27And that's just, that's just not really a way to live.
38:30Like, I just don't think that that is an effective down to down way to do it.
38:35I did think some of their pressure stuff in this game was interesting.
38:39Like they were bringing DBs from depth, like really well.
38:41And like Merrig was a really good blitzer in this game, but they really were not getting home unless they were scheming
38:48up one of those guys to get home. And otherwise I thought like the pure pass rush was just not really there
38:54in a way that they've clearly invested in. Like they've, again, I know Skorton is not there, but they have signed a lot of players in free agency.
39:01To go and get to the quarterback on some level.
39:04And they still, I think, struggled to do it.
39:07Anything else that stuck out to you about the Browns offense?
39:10I think Monken is kind of cooking right now, man.
39:12Like I, Watson should have thrown three interceptions in this game.
39:16Like there was one where Will Lee is jumping a pick early in the game in cover two and Watson throws it at him.
39:22There's another one where he's trying to throw, they have like a play action where Fannan's running a little crosser and then they have the dig behind it.
39:30But he is as late as you can possibly be getting back to the dig and he throws the ball right at Lathan Ransom and he drops it.
39:38But I just thought some of the way that Monken was taking vertical space with like two or three players to one
39:44side, completely running like all these posts and stuff like that.
39:47And either running overs into it or getting shallows or getting screens out there because what most of these players are best at, whether it's Concepcion, Judkins, Fannan.
39:55It's like with the ball in their hands, they can make people miss and make plays.
39:59And I do think that they did a really, really good job of that.
40:03And then one specific sequence I want to talk about.
40:06They had at one point early in the game ran that concept where you get two posts coming from from like the right side, let's say.
40:13And then the deep cross are coming from the left to get into that space.
40:17And they threw it once and Judy drew DPI, whatever.
40:20They went back to that same concept. And then instead of Boston running like the inside post, he stops it down, breaks
40:26it out for a sail route, and it's wide open.
40:29And so I do think that Monken is doing some pretty good and interesting stuff.
40:33I think I just still have my questions about the effectiveness of it all on a down-to-down basis given the quarterback play.
40:39Yeah, that's where I sit with it as well.
40:41I mean, a lot of the most important plays he made in this game was what he was doing as a scrambler.
40:47And I guess that's part of the benefit of him playing over whatever other quarterback they're going to trot out there.
40:53But you mentioned the missed turnovers. There was two drives in a row.
40:57There was a third and five in the second half where he just misses Concepcion.
41:01There's like a little push from the left guard that affects that throw, but he misses that high.
41:06And then on the next drive, he misses him again.
41:09Like I think Watson thinks he's going to sit down and he doesn't.
41:12So that's an incompletion and a bunch of different situations and moments where they could have turned the ball over.
41:18And so I'm with you. Like I, the quarterback part of this was always going to be, can we get by?
41:24And I think they're getting by enough, but the gambit with this thing.
41:27And I think the place you'd wanted to read, you would want to reach if you were a Browns fan is, do
41:33we feel good about all the other elements of the offense independent of the way the quarterback is playing?
41:39And I think you watch this game, you've watched some of the other games they've played so far this year.
41:44We're about as close to that as you can reasonably be in an NFL context, because that's really hard to do.
41:50When the quarterback play isn't very good, it's difficult to feel good about a lot of the other things that are going on around it.
41:57And I think we're kind of there with what the Browns have done so far.
42:01I think through three weeks, you're there where they want to be.
42:04Where, yeah, like you feel good about things. The offensive line is not perfect, but it's much better than it was last year.
42:11Your young players look pretty good. Like they're tracking to be where they want to be for whoever is going to play quarterback in 2027.
42:18All right. Let's take one more quick break and then get to the most hangover, the most hangover game that's probably ever been played.
42:24The New York Giants and Tennessee Titans played a football game yesterday.
42:27You could you could argue that. I don't know if I would.
42:31The Titans had one first down in the first half.
42:34Really? I mean, I guess I don't even know why that's surprising.
42:37Of course, they did. But like, that's that is bad.
42:40They had one first down in the first half at the four minute mark of the second quarter.
42:45They had a six yard completion to Wondell Robinson.
42:47Four minute mark of the second quarter. That was their longest gain of the game up to that point.
42:52It was a six yard completion to Wondell Robinson.
42:55That sounds about right. And that is in part because he dropped like a 20 yarder before that.
43:00It's it's a frustrating game for the Titans because you watch the first half and I don't know this to be true, but this is my assumption.
43:07It felt like the weather eased up in the second half.
43:10When I was watching the Titans passing game, my assumption is the weather eased up a little bit in the first half.
43:16The gap between these two teams is the Giants could run the ball and the Titans could not.
43:21That was the only difference between the two teams.
43:24The Giants offense for the majority of the first half was one busted play to Cam Scadaboo, who deserves so much credit for how that play went.
43:31By the way, he's releasing to the flat sees Jameis buying time outside of the pocket and immediately just books it down the field.
43:38It makes himself available in the scramble drill. It leads to an explosive.
43:42The Giants get points on that drive. One of the other scoring drives that the Titans had when they went up six, nothing.
43:48They ran the ball 10 times in a row.
43:5010 straight running plays for the Giants on that drive that eventually falls short because they try to run a wildcat play with Scadaboo quarterback.
43:57They lose like seven yards and they have to kick a field goal.
44:01But at that point in the game, that's as productive of a drive as you possibly need.
44:06They were doing that over and over and over again.
44:08And then the Titans in the second half do start moving the ball pretty consistently.
44:13They have a touchdown drive. And then two more drives get down inside the five.
44:17And then two just. I don't know if inexplicable is the word, but two baffling choices by the quarterback, baffling mistakes by
44:23the quarterback leads to them to coming away with zero points on either one of those drives.
44:28And that's the reason the Titans lose this game.
44:30I mean, the most egregious miss to me is the one where he misses Tate in the end zone where he's like
44:36rolling left and it's like kind of a scramble drill play.
44:39And he throws it like way further out in front of Tate than really makes any sense.
44:44And like Tate is like kind of slow rolling out of this role like that play was egregious.
44:49The next one is like he expects the tight end to be able to go up for it.
44:54And he's not able to because he's kind of getting fought off with the defender.
44:58But I do not think Cam Ward was particularly accurate in this game for a lot of those moments.
45:03There were a couple of drops in like plays that got called back.
45:07Like I said, in the second quarter, Wondell Robinson drops like a deep corner.
45:11They had one called back like a deep shot to I think it might have been to Wondell Robinson down the right hand side because I.O.
45:18For an OPI. For an OPI. Yeah, where he's like trying to pick the corner where like I think even if he
45:24doesn't touch the corner like Wondell Robinson probably gets open.
45:27So it's just one of those like really frustrating plays.
45:29The the pick at the very end of the game is very young quarterback.
45:33What are you doing coded in so many ways?
45:36It's you have two timeouts with 24 seconds left and it's first and 10.
45:40You've got plays like you've got time here to figure this thing out.
45:43And so then he tries to force a pass on the back line.
45:47Obviously, Javon Holland is able to go pick him off.
45:50The other issue than just making that decision of trying to force something in that moment.
45:54If you're going to try to make the hero play to the guy on the back line, you have to miss high.
46:00That's the rule of the of the end zone.
46:03You miss high on the back. And if you're throwing short, you miss low because it just makes it more difficult for
46:09defenders to get hands on the ball. The fact that he forces that and gives Javon Holland even a chance to get
46:15a fingertip on that ball, I think is a massive mistake and one you see more often from young quarterbacks in that moment.
46:21The accuracy issues early in the game, how much of that are we going to try to attribute to the conditions?
46:27And how much of that are we going to say this continues to be an ongoing problem?
46:32This is something to be worried about. It is something a little bit to be worried about because I think he's one of those players where.
46:39The ball never comes out of his hand the same way twice.
46:42Like there are some quarterbacks where the action is so repeatable.
46:45And I think on some level, there is value to that.
46:48The way that he can get the ball around defenders every now and then, I do think is impressive.
46:54But it does lead to some scattershot sprays until you are very attuned to the way that you are trying to do that on every single throw.
47:01And he's clearly not calibrated to that right now, even if maybe in two or three years he can be.
47:07This was something with rookie Lamar Jackson where he just kept trying to do this and it didn't work until suddenly it did.
47:13And he was the MVP. And I'm not saying that Ward is going to do that, but I do think that the accuracy issues are real.
47:20I do think for the most part over the final like two and a half ish quarters, the accuracy was not that much of an issue.
47:27And it really was like they were clearly playing in a downpour early because he had those misses.
47:32And Jameis Winston is a bad comparison because Jameis Winston is terrible right now.
47:36But Jameis Winston could not complete like a stick route in the first quarter of this game, which like I'm pretty sure
47:42if the conditions were right, he would be able to do at least that.
47:46So at least for a lot of the misses early on, I do attribute like mostly to weather.
47:51I think I'm kind of just in wait and see mode.
47:54Like, again, it's a terrible weather game that he played well enough in the second half.
47:59I'm very open to the idea that Cam Ward just isn't good and that this might just be.
48:04It might be a nonstarter with him and the Titans offense and that's just where we're going to ultimately land.
48:09I just want to see a little bit more in a new system in better circumstances and better conditions as we move
48:15throughout the season before I'm ready to kind of put a fine point on that.
48:19I want to get like halfway through the season before I'm like, OK, this is a problem because I do think what
48:25you see oftentimes, even with quarterbacks that have been struggling second half of their second season, you can start to see a
48:31little bit of life even for guys that have really, really struggled.
48:35And so I think if we can't get there by then with him and then we have some serious questions going into
48:41year three, I think that that's a lot more fair.
48:44But I'm yeah, I'm kind of also in wait and see mode of like, let's get to Thanksgiving and hopefully it's not this bad anymore.
48:51What do you make of the two and one Giants?
48:53It's not a lot. I don't think that this is a very good football team.
48:57I've been impressed with their ability to run the ball.
49:00Like, I do think that that part of it is kind of real.
49:04And I think if Jackson Dart was able to play and gave them a little bit more down the field and maybe
49:10neighbors was 100% healthy, like you could talk me into like really annoying seven win team to have to play against every week.
49:16And I do think that because they can run the ball the way they do, there is a little bit of like
49:22last year's Panthers at times sort of vibe where they can just make some some games a rock fight.
49:28It's a good comparison. Yeah. Yeah. Where they can just like muddy up some games and like if you if you limit
49:34each team to like having two fewer drives and you just get lucky on a couple of them and force a turnover.
49:40OK, you can make every game really shitty and annoying to play.
49:43I just don't know if that's going to amount to enough wins to matter.
49:47But honestly, if they arrive there with not having their starting quarterback and Brian Burns being out for the season and you
49:53win seven games doing that, it's probably that's a pretty successful year one for everything.
49:57I think all things considered. I just don't know what to make of them yet.
50:01Again, it's we had one weird game against a Dallas defense that was completely out of sorts in week one.
50:07They get annihilated in a game where their starting quarterback gets hurt in week two.
50:11And then in week three, they're playing in a downpour with Jameis Winston and they're playing against a quarterback that's also dealing with the downpour.
50:18I just don't think there's we have enough evidence in any way to understand what the 2026 Giants are yet.
50:23They're probably the team. Yeah, where the evidence matters the least from so far of what we've seen.
50:28And now they're at the point where I don't even think they want to play Jameis trading for J.J.
50:34McCarthy, which I don't really think that fixes anything either.
50:36But that's where their season has already arrived. I wonder how much that is where we want to play J.J.
50:42McCarthy and how much of that is we just need to add to our quarterback room because it's already thinner than we
50:48want it to be three weeks into the year.
50:51How fast can J.J. McCarthy be up to speed to be a better option for you than Jameis Winston is?
50:56Maybe faster than we want to admit based on the way that Jameis has played.
51:00But the fact that we're even in this place with the Giants where they're wanting to give up a fifth round pick for J.J.
51:07McCarthy, I think, speaks to how fast the season has gone south.
51:10Yeah, I think it is more like what you're saying if they just needed another body in the room, because other than
51:16Jameis Winston, they do not have a guy. And I I do not think that he will get it took J.J.
51:22McCarthy two years to get up to speed in Minnesota, and it still didn't look very good.
51:27And so I don't know if two weeks in New York is going to do a whole lot for him.
51:32Yeah, we'll see what happens. I think it's probably a worthwhile dice roll just for depth and to maybe salvage something out of this season.
51:39But I'm not sure the season really can be salvaged, even at two and one.
51:43I think that with a backup quarterback over most of this year, I just I'm not sure what this team is really going to be capable of.
51:51And I think it's going to be hard probably to have a judgment on year one of the John Harbaugh era when
51:57you're playing with this level of quarterback play over the entire year.
52:00I think that's probably going to be where we land and to lose Burns for an extended period of time.
52:06Like, I think the goal here with the Giants was, could we evaluate what year one of this regime looks like and
52:12what sort of foundation they were working off of moving forward?
52:15And I think based on how the first few weeks have gone, that's going to be really difficult to do.
52:20And I think that would be my biggest frustration as a Giants fan is that you make this huge swing to kind
52:27of change the entire complexion of the organization. And there is a chance that after year one of that is over, you
52:33have absolutely no clarity on whether or not that swing was correct.
52:36I think we'll get like maybe they can get it to the point where we can kind of see what the floor is.
52:42Like if they can make this work somehow and win six games with all that's gone wrong, sure, that's cool.
52:48But we're going to have no idea what the ceiling is supposed to be projecting into 2027.
52:53And I think that is probably the frustration. All right.
52:55That is all we've got for the week three hangover.
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